Tha= nk you=C2=A0Tom,

Yes, I w= as talking about the=C2=A0blue recycling bin.

I had not thought about a scrap yard.=C2=A0

I just checked and scrap steel look= s like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be t= wo or three dollars, as you say, beer money.

But it might take me that much in gas money driving to= the scrap yard to get the beer money. But then at least I could say I turn= ed gas into beer...=C2=A0 :-)

best,

doug

On M= on, Feb 13, 2023 at 4:37 AM Tom Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:

What is this =E2=80=9Crecycling= bin=E2=80=9D that you refer to? If it is the blue plastic bin which beer b= ottles go into, and you pay someone to empty for you, I would suggest that = you get yourself another bin, which gets filled with metal scrap, and which= you take to the scrap yard on an as needed basis, at which point, your scr= ap turns into beer money.=C2=A0

Long winded way of sayin= g take them to the scrap yard.=C2=A0

Tom Coradeschi=
tjcora@icloud.c= om

On Feb 12,= 2023, at 10:42 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi guys,

I just replaced the rear leaf road s= prings on my 1954 MG TF, and they are working well with new urethane=C2=A0b= ushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! What a difference from the old s= agging springs and the perished=C2=A0rubber bushings! Not a bad job to do, = either. Fortunately I have a four=C2=A0post lift, some air jacks and a slid= ing center panel on the lift so all of the work was done standing with a go= od headlight shining on the underside of the car.

That is not the=C2=A0 problem/question, however.

Now I have a set of MG TF = leaf springs that I removed and I do not know=C2=A0what to do with them.

I can stack them in the cor= ner of the garage, but I doubt that I would ever use them again.

I always can just toss them in the = recycling hopper, but I wondered if any of you figured out some good "= second life" for the spring steel there?=C2=A0

I suppose I could make knives or something...

I thought about taking them= apart and saving a few of the longer leaves for potential future welding p= rojects, etc.=C2=A0

I can= not foresee=C2=A0ever trying to rebuild and reuse them when the new ones ar= e reasonably=C2=A0priced and available.

I just sort of hate dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs= in the recycling bin...

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Doug
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From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:40:40 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money. I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60 pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted, wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > > But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-) I turn beer into gas. So there's that... -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 09:16:52 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D1AA100C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:16:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM12-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (unknown [40.92.21.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF74A0F9E for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:58:21 -0700 (MST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=LIY+iRHUOyMO4XeTN/6wA2edDx4QE3yxb/GfOLX9OxItJiMQJF6rKVsl815BpbTPzmmOt2VJW53r7SlBQ/g90RoiQeVgihSR/Gis3ZPEHj0mueiGHvu9MvnUl5zA9hhO+fZOWLly3KbrTVTcO9b3W7BeEmffYlAVFi4XHB4/dzq4glQsXpMeMTVf70z5xLFC8wkVeCim8yy2P0k6H7Tko/QLjo499DMkFxVQNdtbddzbeQRxPdVvyqP/+e2vUOvn33K2H45WjjySaQRoFKdATZV7WJjQJs/rx1GTqXJCbOx+5ByzYR6i0FgyeYMh5AbWNaFJJL94IORnj65hELDKFQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=xrbX/xuPhtUPyRV8kaGvvTK+E3McQHfTASmE5p14nJI=; b=njjVKVbkVLk0V2tcyzgzI0FgGzFc0M3laRAyA68RKEUdaVKJbEdIo6ywRk7cYcRnIZi5Kn3NuqDJrdYAlWav02SLjSdCuJsDLGtU5ruDDLJoeZ7AD1alDuJaK6r5WGvX4jx907JtoLE70UqIbeulIXZYkZOW7RaWHWHFg7Svn0h6S9X3euhM/cX+bAQ99tyqy15rCbTw9nAZKXrsEaQ5GISTvtfaU0QHOPugl4bTQq/cAYc+gv4lu6yslXfFNRXsMB5ZTiwTvm0BKTFE7Ktx/dptpfEt57drVkysTwb2yKTh9xuL4bcWG+TjNvTtDvQcEyiQQdknzTrIfY8jkrStGQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=xrbX/xuPhtUPyRV8kaGvvTK+E3McQHfTASmE5p14nJI=; b=cKpXkWvZT0F0Z0mXWZTaVigW0+lakMiLGR/sgPQV8rdpNE/u6+UpLWOr5tjTcjIn6jlDl/hvpvwZNWfEHDIcAYe1YB5zMDlNMmFfE6O0TZlwoSTjEVmvTdIshnj6q+aXbZvqItYEAqN47zC+a1GToMDMCsGOQRq8+8oqbr7ifAjTf73Xz2FqlRq+N6FiTQ/0mScInn676JDUJkD1D9Sjwi1YDclRtP/GqUPrxmVcRQVNSyXR8AaFBujqhkGuW0V0eIxXkfQUDzFYX+IhmRe2xmResWELBvIOJDjE7oGcJA6+EDb1592D4/Vvr9Pq4P7Pu6TvhkMclAiqcTlAAvGPhA== Received: from CY5PR19MB6338.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:930:22::6) by MN6PR19MB7889.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:47a::22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.6086.22; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:58:38 +0000 Received: from CY5PR19MB6338.namprd19.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5b85:8458:cb61:5ac3]) by CY5PR19MB6338.namprd19.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5b85:8458:cb61:5ac3%9]) with mapi id 15.20.6086.023; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:58:38 +0000 From: PJ McGarvey To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Thread-Index: AQHZP1uJ3wmigKzq6ESRCJHZcZjP0K7Mzo6AgAALd4CAACpQAIAAAwmP Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:58:38 +0000 References:

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From: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3385772222309705883== boundary="------------bJR06gugbeti7zBWRyDNFHo2" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------bJR06gugbeti7zBWRyDNFHo2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit re: "... the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are they work anything?" $6. But you can probably expect some funny looks from the whippersnapper running the cash register. On 2/13/2023 7:58 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I > dropped off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120. A V8 crankshaft, a > car door, years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It > makes sense to wait until you have too much 😉. > > In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of > a possible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to > you blindly throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and > the lung damage from the terrible air quality. > > Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are > they work anything? lol. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff > Scarbrough > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM > *To:* shop-talk@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I > did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you > say, beer money. > > I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60 > pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted, > wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk > around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to > deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for > one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. > > Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a > prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum > beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > > > > > But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-) > > I turn beer into gas. So there's that... > > -- Jeff > _______________________________________________ --------------bJR06gugbeti7zBWRyDNFHo2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit re: "... the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are they work anything?"

$6. But you can probably expect some funny looks from the whippersnapper running the cash register.

On 2/13/2023 7:58 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote:

The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I dropped off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120. A V8 crankshaft, a car door, years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It makes sense to wait until you have too much 😉.

In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of a possible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to you blindly throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and the lung damage from the terrible air quality.

Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are they work anything? lol.

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had not thought about a scrap yard.
>
> I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer money.

I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60
pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted,
wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk
around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to
deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for
one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red.

Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a
prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum
beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas.

>
> But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-)

I turn beer into gas. So there's that...

-- Jeff
_______________________________________________

--------------bJR06gugbeti7zBWRyDNFHo2-- --===============3385772222309705883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3385772222309705883==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 12:13:15 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D09A103E for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:13:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239F9A0FDF for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:20:19 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:20:37 -0500 02/13/2023 12:20:44 PM, Serialize complete at 02/13/2023 12:20:44 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Laser rust removal Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4871050722594996814== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005F458F85258955_= Does anyone here have any experiences with laser rust removers? I am still trying to decided if I should bite the bullet and buy one. I am expecting it to be between $8k and $10K. Is that a reasonable price range? Are their features/specs to look for or stay away from? Are their consumables? Thanks. Moose (PS, if I get one, anyone on the list is more than welcome to come use it for free!) 8>) --=_alternative 005F458F85258955_= Does anyone here have any experiences with laser rust removers?

I am still trying to decided if I should bite the bullet and buy one. I am expecting it to be between $8k and $10K. Is that a reasonable price range?

Are their features/specs to look for or stay away from?
Are their consumables?

Thanks.

Moose

(PS, if I get one, anyone on the list is more than welcome to come use it for free!) 8>) --=_alternative 005F458F85258955_=-- --===============4871050722594996814== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4871050722594996814==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 14:00:14 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF20BA1100 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:00:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic322-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [66.163.189.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B81A10F7 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:36:32 -0700 (MST) t=1676320610; bh=Nlzs23p3+aX/i8j8A5Tbs2jkIQx5xfBzj79nHOcuPi0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=BbSnjFnMprO90wDBEa3jdqjX3+TCulK3pK86IbH6svY+O8cBlhaR4Lgh8i95P6RB6Ewel7OMbwHFalYB8zfxuQeIU23HS+tqLGLYqHm4ySIut6xpN/jFHRmiNSUVdzbSSheL+l+1iOHwe1BcpRiqQVjH4tOXoJuR2eydtkncAkJnK9B2mwcI6QeeaQ5DQUt/Cq5tK1gEPkYpCyWJ+4lSWdcgpr9CqnCKuFBHSru+osrJ0QARSzOhHdn/EJiiGvVd03FDGP84nuTXCdHwylseNAp7HWUvsNHMQvGufsCp5J5EyMjUwcnAxe4QlYPoaOHBvJnoGC3uqwc9WHguvDfkiQ== t=1676320610; bh=hNhFcVsa0lG3U3hnhmERq3J5Qs6Hdz/kfTx+kjjoay5=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=Vl/LCEf6wIi6cy7CzmH0CJE5fHAYfV8us+B7xup2jOok93Pgo9+SMdA9GXYh7hxm5bFFpHXfbKZX7mlUOS/iEsqOluTYmV5DGNLPYolUX/qZGNz2XawFvnGVsEP5aIGygfUM8Vs7kUGwxFBQuyCmgGb/++4YK3Fu2tNBVDHfgNG35VjBmH2hDMKGeZw9OEX9b7zxv1rRvo3vMobuc6r/+gPdrr5iaUsCQCuVaBgA8pXAPMb6kFjwEpyp/TUskRW/BiZLYalcP3MF5TnBbaCUQspIdeQRDshufkbOGc2qvUslBTqVIc6YOvGCP3VvsjzfajXGsL1lwTmMll3MggXcTg== 2m79nRNIJH5uzVzAa2uh2UXz3TfXaHerIJzEojWG2GkDiXcQDiY0zvGGcO3jbKjPnk62J9dAp4XP iWBuvNtrpEfeF_5uxQ5RQsdpydSqlQ.F3PetsmNJup1FHgg2MAnoSV14M_j7HDstIs1HlF.TjHWG jls2N3bKLrqzdO3JYVwQuhs0.JRRJpdfquEFnUT1eFxfrRadLhT.0xb6WSNL_a_IOSn0oWuj4agU rYnHBx1.DNhiWWWoLZW9b.GkbtMycrZ6LQv1Bb4ZhyU3T_EOrNTfDWZX4wsR3Ju.1uCDPf5uy3QK VM8uvTqSw8tiQOAFqR7Rf.u_HviNMPGiyHIQYx4JcAzC8T21e2BVJzD_dQTwzvls03upjaDDV5SR cugufsZKdYmTXodp1MHraWl8YMjnrPKkBt_zL9DlKonM1vpZLWSoaYIPINrO6myNfXxT73MythT0 N5L3JPSla8YqB6VntWcD1iM97EZn1KQAXYFWhQ6YU0YT5mYvUwX1xf0ggjrg6KJ0EYZKdGnYZ.vI gSD.zAmLT_7tusrhHX1TJ_p2BjS3AxBYTTPhJmQ8dcKE0_cvlXuB2UIAP0OmmApry9R83kiTnZSW IoigVIq0memmWyZtxBio1UqcDx7PcUXtcvzaPNgnWtsFtsj2FMs7pOt.ByJSLlV6enPrDsPRVyyW XkmUAwo_QZRocPzSwILnyFdj32cnR64SDh2k2SEbKvAqesZchgER7GHxuk8gNLy6HhHlH.R.w4sc .BbbP4ruy5I0t_z33.gFqNYSoB8BXmHPNRZ98kBQlHefBnVGDrmp9zt2P2iDhGg.uNwO5ybL8rhu mMt30Cxjd7NMfokBAKXZYNAzbVWJWq7ClnnfpZKVhszVqN6m5lYRm1.jLOMGfgDgeaqqZLGi2ahj t4aUvp_NQ_7GQ946XwnOmn7jzi3jtltwKPm_9Zdi7uEqsod9q6EXkQJmrc0diM9KLqvY7p9o8Lyq .qCFOeq9BaNNZylrffNjZr6CDbEDn9mxPTl.nrHzVE2g8r2YsBH2Mb9yCX1WFxQPpjs8vAO56DFq Yvqo1VUOSq4CjtuDrC7Gg..leKJJ2aEUfDyL9RGwrehOs7nUOhS0tX9TE2ngc3OdB350ZRm5GFoY AL98AoV_2JM5h_b8Wm3yu_TQN1rwlIOG8LnNrdF7W3VTnCO3UD4lMTy4QEi3GNSCj3.ZlasvuO5M dDQEznWMxk0QCxt2CmshomjSfp7kR4hSXkHEIfW2lzLl1FF.2ke506aLi8y66ml326b0aZy3CS39 AXxhBi733AOSyFDc_jfg9DrkVQ6s3rjbcM6ybkySOb4jH8K8ElO.6A0W6lLAffmotBfvklbAFMZr yy0aZn1ROy8lxefHtfu3Z3Bk959Cbw_bceT_03hrBTA43Bflkd02A7AyKNO3FaA1qgDgRicadPHw uKnn9RoS6YCIZfHFEQ32TqOOnucIcnqIMYqY5khNcBX7vmom6tSrxqTNbjxBiQr9gkWqyx3Lyi.C FBK8gE5dHoGKdRUm3BYokx3Nlahaz1zx6RMO1sSZidWTm5bol88iK7U9THEVrK8v_wquyooMlugM 9y.t5w57aYItcOWRwMy7Z5GtEOdNYIqpw31BMFEXPL0jN0bDPOVonLA7PKrOoubTpyCq1pl4HAJQ YOvDyMosFDZaAwYRHP2E921.hYXktzqmzuAG8apo9DEzbx0AV.xNWzkKimyg23Fca3WZvLWTYgzn VMr910ZG.uzVH3PB4y16I3RKgd1SnAV7rPv5xJBjus5Meq2jPqefGSwaOTBDlZszL9BSH6CsbFu7 XPX5xvIVv9Z93uJrkiHeAfFMFelyZ2XB8_xDOGf_AahNGgIskNHp7wi6wnsfEMmA4BiNqbY1okex hvlsUwvphDjLtDA1SLl8fadxCh45Qr4UtfZNuyGMk3Efp4bT0s5fr99lgjMMnSPou1XK659HlZBs lO9I4f_U_LFa925G.ebpxVSNzFPAtfnu7Fw_CBHBNDgX9QF6aiRGgwTbS6N5Zl6RbaajZ8A8cS9B yyYiDTWG8ZkpxUM0rBMA2KEEZLH_46ssNV78yMiy1SS0wh5sD49iNX1nK9yAmXJt5ObAaUR9MGQe rLwX37fTJLsHMXfRZLfEButEyNZcOfW0EJyEE4WI_Di85GPi5xxWikhTg84Ayu.NBQ9YgnpwYMzf hDe7gHwWEiPiFXdTD7vwlnyM- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic322.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:36:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:36:48 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com" , "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References:

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3335326807907916076== boundary="----=_Part_1142616_1727107293.1676320608608" ------=_Part_1142616_1727107293.1676320608608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've cut up the odd wreck, piled the sheet metal up next to the building a= nd put an add on Criag's list: "Free scrap metal."=C2=A0 A few days later i= t magically disappeared. Problem solved. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 9:58 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? #yiv1092162320 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}The "junkyard" on the side = of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I dropped off an 8' bed of junk rece= ntly for $120.=C2=A0 A V8 crankshaft, a car door, years of old nuts/bolts, = control arms, mufflers, etc. It makes sense to wait until you have too much= =F0=9F=98=89.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of a pos= sible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to you blindly = throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and the lung damage = from the terrible air quality. Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills.=C2=A0 Are th= ey work anything?=C2=A0 lol. From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbr= ough Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them?=C2= =A0On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard wrot= e: > > I had not thought about a scrap yard. > > I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I did = not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, beer = money. I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago.=C2=A0 50 or 60 pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check.=C2=A0 Wait to get spotted, wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for one beer.=C2=A0 If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red. Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a prodigious drinker.=C2=A0 He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans.=C2=A0 That was enough to pay for the time and the gas. > >=C2=A0 But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer...=C2=A0 :-) I turn beer into gas.=C2=A0 So there's that... -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archi= ve rvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1142616_1727107293.1676320608608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've cut up the odd wreck, piled the sheet metal up = next to the building and put an add on Criag's list: "Free scrap metal."&nb= sp; A few days later it magically disappeared.

Problem solved.

Dave

<= br>

-----Original Message-----
From: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com>
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them?

The "junkyard" on the side of my garage got a bit overwhelming so I dropped= off an 8' bed of junk recently for $120. A V8 crankshaft, a car door= , years of old nuts/bolts, control arms, mufflers, etc. It makes sense to w= ait until you have too much =F0=9F=98=89.

In hindsight, it also makes sense to weigh the cost (pun intended) of a pos= sible flat tire in the scrap yard, injury from the guy next to you blindly = throwing junk into the pile, a rusty cut on your hand, and the lung damage = from the terrible air quality.

Then the machine that cashed me out gave me 3 crispy $2 bills. Are th= ey work anything? lol.

From: Shop-ta= lk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough &l= t;fishplate@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:40 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with the= m?

On= Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> I had not thought about a scrap yard.
>
> I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I d= id not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, be= er money.

I took a bunch of scrap metal to the yard a few months ago. 50 or 60<= br clear=3D"none"> pounds traded for $7.00, in the form of a check. Wait to get spotted,=
wait to unload, wait for the ID check, wait for the receipt, walk
around to the cashier's window to get the check, use the bank app to
deposit it online... I don't think I'd go through all that again for
one beer. If my time is worth money, then I came out in the red.

Meanwhile, there was a guy there who either has a bar or is a
prodigious drinker. He had a pickup truck full of bags of aluminum beer cans. That was enough to pay for the time and the gas.

>
> But then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-= )

I turn beer into gas. So there's that...

-- Jeff
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------=_Part_1142616_1727107293.1676320608608-- --===============3335326807907916076== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3335326807907916076==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 14:18:02 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B45A1127 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:18:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pf1-f178.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323BBA10F9 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pf1-f178.google.com with SMTP id z3so2617712pfw.7 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:43:18 -0800 (PST) h=content-language:thread-index:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:message-id:date:subject:in-reply-to:references:to:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3TrfLf/1cOuM7a99qplUCyuJvzHMSfYpXXiAsplAKU4=; b=loU52BYTzCgAQ2gUR5BeizwmQGy44lmlQLK+pQIs2UA2o2Kj9mMPFVwlP9KM09Z8Lt oviBMxPL8qM/fnOGbil2z36VjSb+4otdtPdBqXMXCgB4Be1utQAdSLDVaFZiPDEC5A1Y zLHOdiy4g1qpcDoW9MZYBlHvUf3VvE0f3hjfIKjyVKV8m9Dv4Pd0xlEwUsv1FI60ysNP q8u3ApmYcSr+FggnBY+FzG0xb6UEV8gGj6/2idcprz02WO43BgV27Q40eB0oaawkWkKZ xFgThr4UNyATf3oaumLrX3OcC8IoKaG6FmqAkCr8QzcJxwYkcnvAtH3ldsuWD0RtYTcC bk1w== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-language:thread-index:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:message-id:date:subject:in-reply-to:references:to:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3TrfLf/1cOuM7a99qplUCyuJvzHMSfYpXXiAsplAKU4=; b=F39m5fkrYtckgzsWAsDJ+CfBiRC+hQurICoI4NbgBnIpCRMWMDy3J35UFGhiXlfY18 XGb147boKWb+fYSxypWTEbghih2mVhUc9tbnNoEq/S1qZ0S150VRwhTidFZcYJ5KxyXZ eUs5LX6tihAwAR6vv3JdfKTp+NZjAnAwziKB7/LXR6rRA/BlSdgY4pS4C1/1VKi7xNAa QHMg7RliboYzksXMm915eFXE0eFfACdf2xx92Va1POHrTAaWnoJ+DxlbFFsEMRC+9+PW SlLI4s8eYbiQlCzs+3UrMTXK4l2lI0Mkw+RUtbbI5kESyRasSh33VCnU0qhRbL8/XEcG wy5Q== 8ukmOnQiogiJL8Z7ai6S0xo= d82-20020a621d55000000b005a8a5bf1f5emr7220351pfd.11.1676320998126; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpenvy2 ([2600:8801:2f85:7500:1d93:b234:d342:c33e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y25-20020aa78559000000b0059275411af8sm8398395pfn.62.2023.02.13.12.43.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:43:16 -0800 (PST) From: To: "'Jim Stone'" <1789alpine@gmail.com>, "'Shop Talk'" References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:43:13 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIgUrhIOes8FweRqRudAB6LA3Qusq4/L/3w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim: Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means you have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added risk of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it closed. A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was never an snow... Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrate a keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediately to mind. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim Stone Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers? It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a dual gate opener for the driveway to my shop. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 14:45:29 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0210EA113F for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:45:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f174.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AA7A113E for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:41:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yw1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-52bed2ce9bdso181600097b3.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+5ZpYoR5LDgpNSYq5VB10apk4XVUHPUTKI91lA9zwTQ=; b=CPgxJn/Tsu2+HEU512zrICWSfWuXQxKnluSoW+c+sa5y52YtgIat3WBX+JHvYPljMA LkL0nlOGnw2xnpm1r69LEyd45231orUUdrBcmOGlouinmRfPvy29l+TidKRi1R/5nIkx C2lDpqjyxL1QN9YohgsHc5PuoHY2MYgH8c4BEXmKmzccRzaLOptjEtSO5x9d7B/+4PXy l340SVZEpd51yqGF1DJemnFUVQW4ztBDZ8S2qR1vInA3L1juGuyHKltTN/z3SM6BIz3u vpU+rCwAHFISlcXnC6vvhVF+3SvpvcCGqa9kvV40/KZNIRlKoNQOfo2wWOp64x+NwvIO cPZA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+5ZpYoR5LDgpNSYq5VB10apk4XVUHPUTKI91lA9zwTQ=; b=1t7Qo3S3kwkvfg5lZPPjFBtLx/2LmrdyVx9bAesCo3xbgbpBxlmZ8oz4wy/JRkdnZU FPP4ZF77tgEJjYm3aEhjqVa4hHMlkemsSct6SKRx5IGQa8cp6qvu0W1YsYEFd1+NzwEq WrNKW4JkcrieIPrlKrXY3P68+N+k1h/wEdWCAiNMaokxD/gnXwxFEEfuoZ+9x/EGRzmj TitnkZ1IdYiufTWPQng1XRar3FYaC/Oj8Cs4fEBDUVEodDbSjBdMvRqBDsCEL67Wf+fv 0igrM6VF+OAjUY/aG8BVVguOtTUIUP2GpwB2UcnB52RTCkeFb4ffwKhs39vczvREE/Au WMrw== raVA7GM2w6tWZ3XMIH3iMOCot4mZbA7evDjmD/7yTQ4S y206-20020a817dd7000000b0052eebba5f90mr1123673ywc.275.1676324486033; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:40:35 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Laser rust removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had never heard of it, so I went to YouTube to find out more. It looks like it works, but one video mentioned that the technology was advancing rapidly. I might be hesitant to jump in just because of that. I'd also be curious to see how it compares to soda blasting or dry ice blasting before I committed. On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:23 PM wrote: > > Does anyone here have any experiences with laser rust removers? > > I am still trying to decided if I should bite the bullet and buy one. I am expecting it to be between $8k and $10K. Is that a reasonable price range? > > Are their features/specs to look for or stay away from? > Are their consumables? > > Thanks. > > Moose > > (PS, if I get one, anyone on the list is more than welcome to come use it for free!) 8>)_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 19:10:59 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CB9A10EA for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:10:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0A6A10E9 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id f10so16129800qtv.1 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 18:06:24 -0800 (PST) h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Fg2IWuHvMurr/Hw5VZRVaMAEAloDTrVkaMWTZMJMAgY=; b=mdk2LM9UGE8BPdwoGipVzpFXtcwCLeJdnEzKyfU7F+x/cO94HIDC5pUJuklM6UUvCD 87YyHiwMU0mULRklC8FqnH7cRRBL99MbprIqctPcdKtAHAn/+EzitV8bZ1o4SczcMmX/ aipiS3stBETBoIOsyIWmXSme0J9SQgamXTz4tK1lA7/esg6MRXNZfWGhDnVOUGdc86MC DozKv+qk6Q5qFgFHKU5N04htbNRzV8U94R/tVWsHhF+MztU32V4XKpVktEmWYaUL5hwi Q6LXma+S4nXvrhSw+8yE/x6ojFC4rvABRtH2U7BQw1cwufEtGBofSw6WcedjNk6eVS8D B/Pg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Fg2IWuHvMurr/Hw5VZRVaMAEAloDTrVkaMWTZMJMAgY=; b=s4izO2ZWtpFwboLjoF8GzDYrIJgvsD8EWxbCF7kGzjIH7R5CMlBMT3VKBrCOOe/6ZC Y0mQJGBVuLC8thG1E00A4pysVG8ueuIjjaXVNsJH+8sCtzou4/Un2cb4BDa2xtUDvoU4 aEFHJLH0J15cCTFzy2DpPANbuhZVqrqEMT7Z5wpl+xA/L8GIimERHCbGcfx27OpJ12jq mGA9abdWE6UJik31MtaF+MAZynVTV3a/n1o435Enq6zQI4YM1vi0KLGkxXdtHGXfYl4d Sp26+F93mmqKHEfsyFszZZ1AOx/WXbWlZKe59KAottRLjltvo9qDoJf59rHVgGEPe08m zLcg== F7RGYuqWEa/vOLapANaHfxsxgx8LANc= w17-20020ac857d1000000b003b9b761b0a0mr1062422qta.12.1676340383456; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 18:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (ool-4350ed26.dyn.optonline.net. 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<08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> From: old dirtbeard Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:06:13 -0800 To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>, Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8574572451680120587== --000000000000a79f8e05f4a03fad Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInb= XKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate. A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. I can send photos if you would like. best, doug On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gate= s. The gates are > about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc = conduit > from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the > garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pre= tty > reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual > transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The= back is > pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2= =80=99t be > any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably s= kip that. > Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t = too > extreme, especially compared to Michigan! > > As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this > all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and contr= actors and > construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a th= ru > lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main > entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need= access to > the back. > > My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to > make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up > batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to > $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I= =E2=80=99ve > seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list > recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for du= al > gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted > satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the > consideration set. > > I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly > appreciated. > > Jim > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < > alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jim: > > > > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? > > > > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means > you > > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added > risk > > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensur= e > it > > closed. > > > > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly brok= e > the > > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there > was > > never an snow... > > > > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would ge= t > > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... > > > > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might > want > > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to integrat= e > a > > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? > > > > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come > immediately > > to mind. > > > > ---------------- > > All the best, > > > > Al Fuller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim > Stone > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM > > To: Shop Talk > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates > > > > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate > openers? > > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand > > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a > dual > > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --=20 Best, Doug --000000000000a79f8e05f4a03fad Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Jim,

My gate opening also= is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GT= O SW4000 XLS gate openers.=C2=A0

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It shou= ld be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:

https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.as= px?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on battery with= a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to th= e gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger = in there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from t= he charger in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the batte= ry charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want=C2=A0AC out a= t the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..=

I also am just using the= remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There= is no reason to run control wires.

I can send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

The driveway opening is just over 13=E2= =80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates.=C2=A0 The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 = from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc conduit from the gat= e to the garage to run the wire and put the controls in the garage.=C2=A0 I= =E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable= and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer = switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.=C2=A0 The back = is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2= =80=99t be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll p= robably skip that.=C2=A0 Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our= climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this al= l done.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and cont= ractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our hou= se is a thru lot).=C2=A0 After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me = and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t= often need access to the back.

My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.=C2=A0 It is hard t= o make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up= batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2= 000, which is a pretty wide range.=C2=A0 Common, readily available brands I= =E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.=C2=A0 Do= ug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is abou= t $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.=C2=A0 That said,= having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that= remains in the consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly ap= preciated.

Jim

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go?
>
> My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means= you
> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with adde= d risk
> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensu= re it
> closed.
>
> A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly bro= ke the
> belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as = there was
> never an snow...
>
> Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would g= et
> hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...
>
> If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you migh= t want
> to consider solar power and/or backup.=C2=A0 Do you need or want to in= tegrate a
> keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?
>
> I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come im= mediately
> to mind.
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of J= im Stone
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>
> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate ope= ners?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated.=C2=A0 I will be installi= ng a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-tal= k@autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96
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>
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>

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Doug

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Tom Coradeschi

tjcora@icloud.com

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On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:51 AM, o= ld dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Thank you Tom,

Yes, I was talking about the blue= recycling bin.

I had not t= hought about a scrap yard.

I just checked and scrap steel looks like it is about $0.04/pound. I d= id not weigh them yet, but it could be two or three dollars, as you say, bee= r money.

But it might take m= e that much in gas money driving to the scrap yard to get the beer money. Bu= t then at least I could say I turned gas into beer... :-)

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 4:37 AM Tom Coradeschi <= tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:

What i= s this =E2=80=9Crecycling bin=E2=80=9D that you refer to? If it is the blue p= lastic bin which beer bottles go into, and you pay someone to empty for you,= I would suggest that you get yourself another bin, which gets filled with m= etal scrap, and which you take to the scrap yard on an as needed basis, at w= hich point, your scrap turns into beer money.

Long w= inded way of saying take them to the scrap yard.

Tom Coradeschi
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On Feb 12, 2023, at 10:42 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi guys,

I just replaced the rear lea= f road springs on my 1954 MG TF, and they are working well with new urethane= bushings, etc. Handles and rides great now! What a difference from the= old sagging springs and the perished rubber bushings! Not a bad job to= do, either. Fortunately I have a four post lift, some air jacks and a s= liding center panel on the lift so all of the work was done standing with a g= ood headlight shining on the underside of the car.

That is not the problem/question, however.

Now I have a set of MG TF leaf= springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them.

I can stack them in the corner of t= he garage, but I doubt that I would ever use them again.

I always can just toss them in the recycling h= opper, but I wondered if any of you figured out some good "second life" for t= he spring steel there?

I suppose I could make knives or something...

I thought about taking them apart and saving a few of t= he longer leaves for potential future welding projects, etc.

I cannot foresee ever trying to= rebuild and reuse them when the new ones are reasonably priced and ava= ilable.

I just sort of hate= dumping some 69 year old MG leaf springs in the recycling bin...
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From: Philip Ethier Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:56:50 -0600 To: old dirtbeard Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Cc: Tom Coradeschi , shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1250439052685498627== --00000000000066cf7105f4ad8751 > > >> Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not >> know what to do with them. >> >> I suppose I could make knives or something... >> >> I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com --00000000000066cf7105f4ad8751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I rem= oved and I do not know=C2=A0what to do with them.

I suppose I could make = knives or something...

I still have the wrecking bar my father made out= of a car spring.=C2=A0 Probably in the 1940s or 1950s.=C2=A0 It is very us= eful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors.

= https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023

Phil Ethier West S= ide Saint Paul Minnesota USA

1973 Triumph Stag LE2= 2439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1= , Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not= forgotten

2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, Whi= te

2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK

2017 F= ord Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.com

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Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0905761723740036239== boundary="----=_Part_1018032_830778067.1676460987055" ------=_Part_1018032_830778067.1676460987055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even cooler! Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars I already have. Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it? Thanks for sharing! Mark 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion) > On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them. > > > > > > > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 > > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05@comcast.net > > ------=_Part_1018032_830778067.1676460987055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Phil,

That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even cooler!

Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars I already have.

Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it?

Thanks for sharing!

Mark

1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention

1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-)

2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out

A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion)

On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them.

I suppose I could make knives or something...

I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA

1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten

2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White

2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK

2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.com

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> To: Mark Watson Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0356296273577792685== boundary="Apple-Mail=_454C5B2B-9CB3-4E29-92BD-2499BD76E863" --Apple-Mail=_454C5B2B-9CB3-4E29-92BD-2499BD76E863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Having launched a few stubborn nails into orbit over the years, I'd like = *less* spring in my pry bars, not more :-) jim > On Feb 15, 2023, at 6:36 AM, Mark Watson = wrote: >=20 > Phil,=20 >=20 > That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even = cooler! >=20 > Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one = of the other prybars I already have. =20 >=20 > Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it = - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for = bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, = wouldn't it? >=20 > Thanks for sharing! >=20 > Mark > 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention > 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) > 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles = - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped = son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than = getting worn out > A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford = Fusion) >> On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not = know what to do with them. >>>=20 >>> I suppose I could make knives or something... >>=20 >> I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. = Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses = and as a foot-lever for hanging doors. >>=20 >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 = =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA=20 >> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue=20 >> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red=20 >> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten >> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White >> 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK >> 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White=20 >> http://www.mnautox.com =20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 >> Suggested annual donation $12.96=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive=20 >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05@comcast.net=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_454C5B2B-9CB3-4E29-92BD-2499BD76E863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii Having launched a few stubborn nails into orbit over the years, I'd like *less* spring in my pry bars, not more :-)

jim

On Feb 15, 2023, at 6:36 AM, Mark Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:

Phil,

That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even cooler!

Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars I already have.

Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it?

Thanks for sharing!

Mark

1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention

1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-)

2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out

A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion)

On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not know what to do with them.

I suppose I could make knives or something...

I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA

1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten

2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White

2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK

2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.com

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> From: Philip Ethier Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 22:19:37 -0600 To: Mark Watson Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf springs replaced - what to do with them? Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5100890670329866082== --000000000000e6151005f4c9819e I think Dad knew more about metalworking than I. Think he forged it rather than grinding. It was of course spring steel, and I think he knew how to treat it. Oil or water quenching, that sort of thing. I don't know when or where he made it. Mechanics Arts High School? Superior Packing? Steve Ethier and Sons Keating? US Navy? Surely not at the City of Saint Paul Building Department, but in those years the family business was still in operation. He also had buddies all over town who had businesses in the trades. My guess is that he forged the ends first and then put in the small bend, then put in the big bend. I would not be surprised to learn that the edges of the main part are original. I'm sure there are folks on Shop-talk who know just how to do this. I have not checked YouTube yet, but it's probably there. On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 5:36 AM Mark Watson wrote: > Phil, > > That tool is pretty cool! And to have a tool your father made is even > cooler! > > Now that I see it I can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of > the other prybars I already have. > > Do you have any idea how he made it? I'm asking about how he bent it - > the ends could be done by an angle grinder. My first thought for bending > it would be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it? > > Thanks for sharing! > > Mark > 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention > 1995 Buick Century - my 'modern' daily driver ;-) > 2001 Ford E150 Traveler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - > obviously we almost exclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - > I'm more worried about this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn > out > A couple of other transportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford > Fusion) > > On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I do not > know what to do with them. > > I suppose I could make knives or something... > > I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring. > Probably in the 1940s or 1950s. It is very useful for trim in houses and > as a foot-lever for hanging doors. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023 > > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forgotten > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/watsonm05@comcast.net > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com --000000000000e6151005f4c9819e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think Dad knew more about metalworking= =C2=A0than I.=C2=A0 Think he forged it rather than grinding.=C2=A0 It was o= f course spring steel, and I think he knew how to treat it.=C2=A0 Oil or wa= ter quenching, that sort of thing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

<= /div>

I don't know when or where he made it.=C2=A0 Mech= anics Arts High School?=C2=A0 Superior Packing?=C2=A0 Steve Ethier and Sons= Keating?=C2=A0 US Navy? Surely not at the City of Saint Paul Building Depa= rtment, but in those years the family business was still in operation.=C2= =A0 He also had buddies all over town who had businesses in the trades.

My guess is that he forged the ends first= and then put in the small bend, then put in the big bend.=C2=A0 I would no= t be surprised to learn that the edges of the main part are original.

I'm sure there are folks on Shop-talk who know just= how to do this.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I have not checked Yo= uTube yet, but it's probably there.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 5:36 AM Mark= Watson <watsonm05@comcast.net<= /a>> wrote:

<= u> =20 =20 =20

Phil,

That tool is pretty= cool!=C2=A0 And to have a tool your father made is even cooler!

Now that I see it I= can imagine times when I'd want it instead of one of the other prybars= I already have.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Do you have any ide= a how he made it?=C2=A0 I'm asking about how he bent it - the ends coul= d be done by an angle grinder.=C2=A0 My first thought for bending it would = be heat but that would take out the springiness, wouldn't it?

Thanks for sharing!=

Mark

1956 Daimler Regenc= y Mk II '104' patiently awaiting attention

1995 Buick Century = - my 'modern' daily driver ;-)

2001 Ford E150 Trav= eler van with wheelchair lift - almost 80,000 miles - obviously we almost e= xclusively use it to transport our handicapped son - I'm more worried a= bout this dying due to lack of driving than getting worn out

A couple of other t= ransportation pods (2005 Toyota Corolla, 2007 Ford Fusion)

On 02/14/2023 7:56 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

Now I have a set of MG TF leaf springs that I removed and I d= o not know=C2=A0what to do with them.

I suppose I could make knives or something...

I still have the wrecking bar my father made out of a car spring.=C2= =A0 Probably in the 1940s or 1950s.=C2=A0 It is very useful for trim in hou= ses and as a foot-lever for hanging doors.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/52689555023

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesot= a USA

1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapph= ire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl - gone but not forg= otten

2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White

2011 Porsche Cayman 2.9 PDK

2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.com

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Phil Ethier We= st Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA

1973 Triumph Stag= LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban= 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl

2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White

2= 017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 131-20020a370a89000000b0073b99d515e2sm788798qkk.44.2023.02.16.06.19.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Feb 2023 06:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:18:57 -0500 References: <67BB3210-85CA-4FDB-91B1-7ACA72705B91@gmail.com> <08be01d93feb$cb3e4320$61bac960$@gmail.com> <5DC5DF62-FDE6-4867-94D6-B4AA94D6B17F@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0388657070234812467== boundary="Apple-Mail=_AA89F74F-E7E3-4DDB-9C05-572D461496ED" --Apple-Mail=_AA89F74F-E7E3-4DDB-9C05-572D461496ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the = gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be = more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a = sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one = side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and = have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame = (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work = than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have = time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am done. Jim > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard = wrote: >=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 > My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing = gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=20 >=20 > This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be = about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: > = https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIn= bXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >=20 > These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I = ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there = anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run = the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out = to the gate. >=20 > A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged = if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. = There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >=20 > I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the = cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >=20 > I can send photos if you would like. >=20 > best, >=20 > doug >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 = gates. The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on = burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the = wire and put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a = battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up = generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing = power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and = running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any = easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip = that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate = isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>=20 >> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get = this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and = contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway = (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife = and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests = won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back. >>=20 >> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard = to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus = back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around = $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available = brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, = Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really = nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my = needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is = worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be = greatly appreciated. >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, > >=20 >> > Hi Jim: >> >=20 >> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >> >=20 >> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street = means you >> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with = added risk >> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to = ensure it >> > closed. >> >=20 >> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly = broke the >> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as = there was >> > never an snow... >> >=20 >> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they = would get >> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >> >=20 >> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you = might want >> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to = integrate a >> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >> >=20 >> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come = immediately >> > to mind. >> >=20 >> > ---------------- >> > All the best, >> >=20 >> > Al Fuller >> >=20 >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Shop-talk > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >> > To: Shop Talk > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >> >=20 >> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate = openers? >> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing = a dual >> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >> >=20 >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > _______________________________________________ >> >=20 >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > http://autox.team.net/archive >> >=20 >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >> >=20 >> >=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best, >=20 > Doug --Apple-Mail=_AA89F74F-E7E3-4DDB-9C05-572D461496ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks for all = of the advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is = not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more = trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a = sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one = side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates = and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or = so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot = more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but = fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update = the list when I am = done.

Jim

On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard = <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,

My gate opening also = is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of the GTO = SW4000 XLS gate openers.

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and = 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing = gate:
https://www.gatecrafte= rs.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq= 7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on battery with a charger that = could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I = wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in = there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from = the charger in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also = would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to = run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no = need for AC at the gate unless you want it..

I also am just using = the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. = There is no reason to run control wires.

I can send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb = 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> = wrote:
The driveway opening is just over = 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates. The gates are about = 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc = conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls = in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our = power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the = main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be = too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a = sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than just = running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that. = Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t = too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this = all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and = contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway = (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my = wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so = guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back.

My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is = hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system = (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from = around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, = readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, = Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until = that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be = overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied = customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the = consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly = appreciated.

Jim

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration = go?
>
> My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street = means you
> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with = added risk
> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to = ensure it
> closed.
>
> A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly = broke the
> belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as = there was
> never an snow...
>
> Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they = would get
> hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...
>
> If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you = might want
> to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to = integrate a
> keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?
>
> I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come = immediately
> to mind.
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = Jim Stone
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>
> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate = openers?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be = installing a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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= --Apple-Mail=_AA89F74F-E7E3-4DDB-9C05-572D461496ED-- --===============0388657070234812467== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0388657070234812467==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 07:51:21 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E556CA077C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 07:51:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7264A0B95 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 07:47:19 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1676558857; bh=/DbvDYbSVL3uwb7s1NfWEqroU96Vw3geDVvLha308ZI=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=lP+cg7EjMLsEj+RsfJU7TiFjmXORoWsZ1/cLsgklnkwgmfNfmByfvY/Qta4Hrt/To 6RCo3GfvsfFFcQa1Wb41t4vOosNwk1lqARFyjI9MxxqDXzx4fkJUIZwxEqUIDJCL7/ 5p7dZnkle1ipUkbCVH0u9WGrdnOI9aurqaEBPMz+gRb7d9jW9pWVAemg74wx7DHWXY p/h2i9V10ypSozH0f8I5xcJTbTTH+sjEhJjSlLCBKVGGhygPy7/LKLw4KNkEOp1CI3 y5Z+xev8/2XL2tvmWgc4j/+mE55IOU/ad115kRJy3j6hUuUkKnXU3ZIcesT2YDMDPn ix9QNfJSoS3ug== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 617E87434E8; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:47:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:47:24 -0600 References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.572,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-14=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2020-02-14=5F11,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2209130000 definitions=main-2302160128 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5775272609418185975== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-DF2A4C48-4F3D-4162-A1B4-23207CF3148A charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Next question I have is what is the purpose= of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c= losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?

There are a lot of sli= ding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look at how much they overlap. S= ome are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron t= rack across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the sid= e the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped gui= de that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easi= ly be on the gate.

I can send you some photos= if you like, it would take me a few days to go around & get them. =

Peace,

Pat

Pat H= orne

We support Habitat for Humanity

On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmai= l.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the a= dvice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all that g= reat and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is wor= th. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way t= o go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. But,= I know nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. And, f= abricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap o= n each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to f= igure out, but fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember t= o update the list when I am done.

Jim

On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbea= rd <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,
=
My gate ope= ning also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of th= e GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should b= e about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid= =3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on battery with a charger t= hat could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wan= ted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but y= ou also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in th= e garage out to the gate.

A= solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you d= o not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There re= ally is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..

I also am just using the remote to open and clo= se the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run con= trol wires.

=
I can send phot= os if you would like.

best,=

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 P= M Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com= > wrote:
Th= e driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates.&nb= sp; The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a s= ection of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put th= e controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, b= ut our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into th= e main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be to= o big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny ar= ea for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than just running it to th= e garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on E= astern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially com= pared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all= done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and contra= ctors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house i= s a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and t= he main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often= need access to the back.

My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to= make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up b= atteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000= , which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I=E2=80= =99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on t= his list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 f= or dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a t= rusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in t= he consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly app= reciated.

Jim

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote: >
> Hi Jim:
>
> Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go?
>
> My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means y= ou
> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added= risk
> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensur= e it
> closed.
>
> A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly brok= e the
> belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there= was
> never an snow...
>
> Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would ge= t
> hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...
>
> If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might= want
> to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to int= egrate a
> keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?
>
> I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immedia= tely
> to mind.
>
> ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim= Stone
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>
> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate open= ers?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installin= g a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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App= arently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it again j= ust in case:

= Hi Jim,

My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swi= ng gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=C2=A0

This opener is ra= ted for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you= have room for a single swing gate:

https://= www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_Q= IVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on battery with a charger= that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I = wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, = but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger= in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also would be sufficient to k= eep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want= =C2=A0AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless= you want it..

I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate fro= m the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.

I ca= n send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

Best,

Doug

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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x1-20020ac81201000000b003b9b41a32b7sm1356702qti.81.2023.02.16.07.24.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Feb 2023 07:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:24:11 -0500 To: Pat Horne References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4021293279631084898== boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A3FFEB2-F9DE-4B6A-86FC-0DCF8D57F26B" --Apple-Mail=_3A3FFEB2-F9DE-4B6A-86FC-0DCF8D57F26B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your = time to take the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I = have just started researching this. The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to = keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a = thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on = the street that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to = how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate = there. I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines = and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade = fencing was there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to = redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view. FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the = spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but = would probably be something to think about with a slider. Jim > On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: >=20 > Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest = people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep = livestock in/out? >=20 > There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look = at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel = that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing = don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a = stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The = Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=20 >=20 > I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to = go around & get them.=20 >=20 > Peace, > Pat >=20 > Pat Horne=20 > We support Habitat for Humanity >=20 >=20 > On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the = garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging = gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to = think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of = room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about = siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99= or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a = lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but = fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the = list when I am done. >=20 > Jim >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard >=20 >> Hi Jim, >>=20 >> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing = gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=20 >>=20 >> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be = about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >> = https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIn= bXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >>=20 >> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I = ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there = anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run = the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out = to the gate. >>=20 >> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged = if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. = There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >>=20 >> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the = cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >>=20 >> I can send photos if you would like. >>=20 >> best, >>=20 >> doug >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 = gates. The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on = burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the = wire and put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a = battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up = generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing = power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and = running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any = easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip = that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate = isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>>=20 >>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get = this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and = contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway = (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife = and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests = won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back. >>>=20 >>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard = to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus = back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around = $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available = brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, = Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really = nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my = needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is = worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be = greatly appreciated. >>>=20 >>> Jim >>>=20 >>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, >> >=20 >>> > Hi Jim: >>> >=20 >>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >>> >=20 >>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street = means you >>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with = added risk >>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to = ensure it >>> > closed. >>> >=20 >>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly = broke the >>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as = there was >>> > never an snow... >>> >=20 >>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they = would get >>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>> >=20 >>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you = might want >>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to = integrate a >>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>> >=20 >>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come = immediately >>> > to mind. >>> >=20 >>> > ---------------- >>> > All the best, >>> >=20 >>> > Al Fuller >>> >=20 >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Shop-talk >> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>> > To: Shop Talk >> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>> >=20 >>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate = openers? >>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be = installing a dual >>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>> >=20 >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jim >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >=20 >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >=20 >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>> >=20 >>> >=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Doug >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com --Apple-Mail=_3A3FFEB2-F9DE-4B6A-86FC-0DCF8D57F26B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thank you for = that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time to take the = photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just = started researching this.

The gate has three = purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and = to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot, with my = shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street that = has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks = to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I = have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from = time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was = there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to = make it a little better looking but still block the = view.

FWIW, the driveway is currently = unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t= necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to = think about with a = slider.

Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne = <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Next question I have is what is the purpose = of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through = the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out?

There are a lot of sliding gates around here, = I=E2=80=99ll take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered = & some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the = drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate = goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that = the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily = be on the gate.

I can send you some photos if you like, it would = take me a few days to go around & get them.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for = Humanity

On Feb 16, 2023, = at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the = advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all = that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than = it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might = be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to = slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some = research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I = gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work = than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I = have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I = am done.

Jim

On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi = Jim,

My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single = swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.

This opener is rated = for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have = room for a single swing gate:
https://www.gatecrafte= rs.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq= 7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on battery with a charger that = could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I = wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in = there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from = the charger in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also = would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to = run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no = need for AC at the gate unless you want it..

I also am just using = the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. = There is no reason to run control wires.

I can send photos if you would = like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> = wrote:
The driveway = opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates. The = gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a = section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and = put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a = battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up = generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing = power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty = shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t = be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll = probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and = our climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to = Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend = on when I get this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an = addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need = access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, = it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house = is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the = back.

My main interest at this point is brand = recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it = looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, = etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty = wide range. Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen = appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this = list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 = for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, = having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so = that remains in the consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in the = researching phase, so any input will be greatly = appreciated.

Jim

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi = Jim:
>
> = Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration = go?
>
> = My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means = you
> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, = with added risk
> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait = on the street to ensure it
> closed.
>
> A condo complex in = California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the
> belts = that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there = was
> never an snow...
>
> Places in Michigan = had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get
> hung up in = the snow or ice in the winter...
>
> If you are in a = place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want
> to = consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to = integrate a
> keypad into the controls? Same for an = intercom?
>
> I'm sure there are = more considerations, but those are what come immediately
> to = mind.
>
> = ----------------
> All the best,
>
> Al = Fuller
>
> = -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = Jim Stone
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: = Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: = [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>
> Does anyone have = any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers?
> It = looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
> = recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing = a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>
> Thanks,
> = Jim
> _______________________________________________
>
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= --Apple-Mail=_3A3FFEB2-F9DE-4B6A-86FC-0DCF8D57F26B-- --===============4021293279631084898== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4021293279631084898==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 09:23:27 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2740A0A90 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:23:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050F3A0B3B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id g14so2454247ljh.10 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:07:29 -0800 (PST) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=topo7sIi2cFxGXIlUWtEEMEenqNpjw/26djSgWvGY5Q=; b=GocermqeAdohWdh9Ek6E6LjFjmcxG26EZq9SzMISriuNJUtCXdHfsTe/HlhNCzS95h N5en5Rqijs1bThjnQbDsmLPfMJ27VF13QwRPPGOAO3gNnLDqfBS7X/KNdaspOjXWIozl 4vjeQT8YsfHK7Xwu/ZYduyvcivJ72wbL80Ca/OSMqKEoL/KWc917rHMjYGyFUIUTVxZI eMSDQD1ItqjVwDmrdC/dhwZZzDoVGf5/fb9cGDSGcbdQmIDUcecpLBMWqlLYk5g1EL4O hzHXd1Dxgs/AI8K5bekLcqVbvqg2rxrrk2eXeOshdwTe7ZZ9M3NQRpVqN/kjMcGc/oBs F95Q== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=topo7sIi2cFxGXIlUWtEEMEenqNpjw/26djSgWvGY5Q=; b=3BzJn4H7AZWlo6nKgwwJdrqZQwscpdRzde67iFHDmpIR6tm85cbXFC4NJielYSWLFV S2fheAUnUWWECjsB7pS27bzTBKGWRufpHBgeGbNROC1mI6E00PMYaENCkGZgjhpfyCXP 9izkbZfkvUto2daLPzHxytf/ftqMfrKbei5ogSZgczLqVPuJhkqdY73EthHBHspFnjd8 4xq4r505NILgrOABizATWwwE3RjLGNfNfs61sZvyTxw2klQY4FWPg1CNGluHSTJkxbNv w6eTN0U0xEH0oUQmTtO0ZViiDFrQ9BsEJfzWW4WmBPP2q+PGrr1guYmdfVQhFucAUYDx 1pJg== 9ry/Ls4gtNwM4JKvdqKg4ZVMChaQt9Se8pCscnQ= e4-20020a05651c038400b002934e54433fmr1797790ljp.1.1676563648467; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> From: old dirtbeard Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:07:17 -0800 To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5043056523458944648== --000000000000b5d7b705f4d3642d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: 1. The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end an= d large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking pl= ate from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. 2. Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-win= ds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or closing. You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc., particularly if the drive is not paved. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time= to take > the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just start= ed > researching this. > > The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee= p > my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot= , > with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street th= at > has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my > neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a pretty > ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, > random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we > bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a little b= etter > looking but still block the view. > > FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the > spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but wou= ld > probably be something to think about with a slider. > > Jim > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > > Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest > people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep > livestock in/out? > > There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look at= how much > they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on a= n > angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t ove= rlap on > the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D = shaped guide that > the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be > on the gate. > > I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go > around & get them. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garage= and the > gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be mo= re > trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a slidin= g > gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the > gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some > research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather y= ou need > plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80= =99 ones. > Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to re= member to > update the list when I am done. > > Jim > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate > with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. > > This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be abou= t > $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: > > https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI= nbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE > > These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran > 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there > anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the > low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the > gate. > > A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if > you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There > really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. > > I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, > garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. > > I can send photos if you would like. > > best, > > doug > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gat= es. The gates >> are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of= pvc >> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls= in >> the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power i= s pretty >> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manua= l >> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. Th= e back is >> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2= =80=99t be >> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably = skip that. >> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t= too >> extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >> >> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this >> all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and cont= ractors and >> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a t= hru >> lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main >> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often nee= d access to >> the back. >> >> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to >> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back u= p >> batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to >> $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands I= =E2=80=99ve >> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this lis= t >> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for d= ual >> gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted >> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the >> consideration set. >> >> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Jim >> >> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < >> alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Jim: >> > >> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >> > >> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means >> you >> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with adde= d >> risk >> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to >> ensure it >> > closed. >> > >> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly >> broke the >> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as ther= e >> was >> > never an snow... >> > >> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would g= et >> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >> > >> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you migh= t >> want >> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to >> integrate a >> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >> > >> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come >> immediately >> > to mind. >> > >> > ---------------- >> > All the best, >> > >> > Al Fuller >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim >> Stone >> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >> > To: Shop Talk >> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >> > >> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate >> openers? >> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a >> dual >> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >> >> > > -- > Best, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --=20 Best, Doug --000000000000b5d7b705f4d3642d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alt= hough I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, ther= e are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates:

The unsupported weight= across the length of them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is a= t the opening and the gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a ro= lling floor jack on the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to= "realign" the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every= few years) as it sags out of alignment.
Wind. If you have a bar or= tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gat= e, and your locale is prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can c= ause problems with the gate opening or closing.=C2=A0

You sho= uld not have either of these problems with a sliding gate.

Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, e= tc.,=C2=A0particularly=C2=A0if the drive is not paved.

On Thu, F= eb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t th= ink it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage.= =C2=A0 Like I said, I have just started researching this.

The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee= p my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.=C2=A0 My property is a thr= u lot, with my shop/garage in the back.=C2=A0 Ours is the only house on the= street that has the garage in the back.=C2=A0 I try to be sensitive to how= it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. =C2= =A0 I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from= time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was th= ere when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it = a little better looking but still block the view.

=
FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in th= e spring.=C2=A0 That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, bu= t would probably be something to think about with a slider.

<= /div>
Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, a= t 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Next question I have is what is the purpose o= f the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c= losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?

There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take= a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v= -wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall se= eing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a sta= tionary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is = on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=C2=A0

I can send you some photos if you l= ike, it would take me a few days to go around & get them.=C2=A0

Peace,
P= at

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for Human= ity

On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36= AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB= =BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.=C2=A0 The area between the garage an= d the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would b= e more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a s= liding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side fo= r the gate to slide.=C2=A0 But, I know nothing about siding gates and have = some research to do.=C2=A0 And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I = gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than t= wo 6.5=E2=80=99 ones.=C2=A0 Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time= . =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am done.
Jim

= On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div>
Hi Jim,

My gate opening = also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of th= e GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=C2=A0

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It = should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
https://www.gatecrafters.com= /product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYAS= ABEgIeJvD_BwE

These a= ll run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC i= n buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and the= n plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cabl= e in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also would be suffic= ient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do = not want=C2=A0AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gat= e unless you want it..

I = also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, gar= age, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.

I can send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <= ;1789alpine@gmail= .com> wrote:
The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 ga= tes.=C2=A0 The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on bu= rying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire = and put the controls in the garage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll probably use a batte= ry backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator = wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn= =E2=80=99t be too big a deal.=C2=A0 The back is pretty shaded and running w= ire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than jus= t running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that.=C2=A0 Weath= er-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t too ext= reme, especially compared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or n= ot I add one will depend on when I get this all done.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re j= ust starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehi= cles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot).=C2=A0 Afte= r that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the = house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the bac= k.

My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.=C2=A0 It= is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (min= us back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around = $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range.=C2=A0 Common, readily availabl= e brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens= .=C2=A0 Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, b= ut is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.=C2=A0 = That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lo= t, so that remains in the consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in th= e researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com>= wrote:
>=C2=A0
> Hi Jim:
>=C2=A0
> Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go= ?
>=C2=A0
> My step-mother has a swing gate, but t= he clearance to the street means you
> have to [1] when entering wait= on the street for it to open, with added risk
> of oncoming traffic,= and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it
> closed.
= >=C2=A0
> A condo complex in California had a lift-up= gate, which constantly broke the
> belts that held up the gate. We r= eally didn't need a lit gate, as there was
> never an snow...
= >=C2=A0
> Places in Michigan had gates that swung or = retracted, but they would get
> hung up in the snow or ice in the win= ter...
>=C2=A0
> If you are in a place where the e= lectric power is unreliable, you might want
> to consider solar power= and/or backup.=C2=A0 Do you need or want to integrate a
> keypad int= o the controls? Same for an intercom?
>=C2=A0
> I&= #39;m sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediate= ly
> to mind.
>=C2=A0
> ----------------
= > All the best,
>=C2=A0
> Al Fuller
>=C2=A0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk = <s= hop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Stone
> Sent= : Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net<= /a>>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>= =C2=A0
> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic = driveway gate openers?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any ad= vice and/or brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated.=C2= =A0 I will be installing a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my = shop.
>=C2=A0
> Thanks,
> Jim
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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jt12-20020a05622aa00c00b003bd0d04bf1esm1165746qtb.90.2023.02.16.08.57.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:56:50 -0500 References: <216C9179-B779-44E2-ABA4-6E32629D3542@gmail.com> <1A7FB796-446B-4432-BFBC-1E586FA6FF47@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4903024905788475522== boundary="Apple-Mail=_BEC80438-780E-4F51-B6BC-82DF0377FA78" --Apple-Mail=_BEC80438-780E-4F51-B6BC-82DF0377FA78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 > Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it = again just in case: Thanks, Doug. I did get your message and had written something about it = in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. There is only = about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single = swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of the garage, = which is where we generally park our daily drivers. Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I = make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80= =9D between the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the = house. Wind is definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path = of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago, although the serious damage was = about 60+ miles west of us. I am assuming the gaps between the slats = (basically 6=E2=80=9D decking boards) will be enough. I guess that is = just one more reason to seriously consider the slider. Jim > On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard = wrote: >=20 > Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a = slider, there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: > The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, = the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag = over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and = large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking = plate from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. > Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if = you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-winds, = then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or = closing.=20 > You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. >=20 > Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc., = particularly if the drive is not paved. >=20 > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >> Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your = time to take the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I = have just started researching this. >>=20 >> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to = keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a = thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on = the street that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to = how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate = there. I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines = and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade = fencing was there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to = redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view. >>=20 >> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in = the spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, = but would probably be something to think about with a slider. >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne >>=20 >>> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest = people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep = livestock in/out? >>>=20 >>> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a = look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a = v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I = recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but = there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate = goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the = gate.=20 >>>=20 >>> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days = to go around & get them.=20 >>>=20 >>> Peace, >>> Pat >>>=20 >>> Pat Horne=20 >>> We support Habitat for Humanity >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the = garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging = gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to = think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of = room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about = siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99= or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a = lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but = fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the = list when I am done. >>>=20 >>> Jim >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard >>>=20 >>>> Hi Jim, >>>>=20 >>>> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing = gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should = be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >>>> = https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIn= bXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >>>>=20 >>>> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. = I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles = there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could = run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage = out to the gate. >>>>=20 >>>> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery = charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the = gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >>>>=20 >>>> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the = cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >>>>=20 >>>> I can send photos if you would like. >>>>=20 >>>> best, >>>>=20 >>>> doug >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com = >>>>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99= gates. The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on = burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the = wire and put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a = battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up = generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing = power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and = running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any = easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip = that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate = isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>>>>=20 >>>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I = get this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house = and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back = driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just = my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so = guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back. >>>>>=20 >>>>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is = hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system = (minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from = around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily = available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost = Controls, Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks = really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for = my needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation = is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be = greatly appreciated. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jim >>>>>=20 >>>>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, >>>> >=20 >>>>> > Hi Jim: >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration = go? >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street = means you >>>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, = with added risk >>>>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street = to ensure it >>>>> > closed. >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which = constantly broke the >>>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, = as there was >>>>> > never an snow... >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they = would get >>>>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, = you might want >>>>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to = integrate a >>>>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come = immediately >>>>> > to mind. >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > ---------------- >>>>> > All the best, >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Al Fuller >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: Shop-talk >>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>>>> > To: Shop Talk >>>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway = gate openers? >>>>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>>>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be = installing a dual >>>>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > Jim >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >=20 >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> > = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>>>> >=20 >>>>> >=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Best, >>>>=20 >>>> Doug >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best, >=20 > Doug --Apple-Mail=_BEC80438-780E-4F51-B6BC-82DF0377FA78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so = I am sending it again just in = case:

Thanks, = Doug. I did get your message and had written something about it in = my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. There is only = about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single = swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of the garage, = which is where we generally park our daily = drivers.

Our intention is to have a metal gate = frame - steel square tube if I make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - = with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80=9D between the slats to mimic a = design feature in the front of the house. Wind is definitely a = concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy a few years = ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us. I = am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6=E2=80=9D decking = boards) will be enough. I guess that is just one more reason to = seriously consider the = slider.

Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard = <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I have a = swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two = structural issues that I see with swinging gates:
The = unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, the = more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag over = time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and large = c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking plate = from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of = alignment.
Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not = a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is = prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with = the gate opening or closing.
You should not have = either of these problems with a sliding = gate.

Sliders though are more prone to debris = in the track, derailing, etc., particularly if the drive is = not paved.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim = Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> = wrote:
Thank you for that offer, but I = don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time to take the photos, at least = at this early stage. Like I said, I have just started researching = this.

The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer = out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my = driveway. My property is a thru lot, with my shop/garage in the = back. Ours is the only house on the street that has the garage in = the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my neighbors, = hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a pretty = ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, = random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we = bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a little = better looking but still block the = view.

FWIW, the driveway is currently = unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t= necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to = think about with a = slider.

Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> = wrote:

Next question I have is what = is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from = driving through the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out?

There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll= take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some = have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones = I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but = there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate = goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the = gate.

I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me = a few days to go around & get them.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We = support Habitat for Humanity

On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area = between the garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a = single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, = I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I = have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know = nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. And, = fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather you need plenty of = overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 = ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. = I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am = done.

Jim

On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi = Jim,

My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am = using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate = openers.

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and = 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing = gate:
https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gcl= id=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE

These all run on = battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in = buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and = then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low = voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the = gate.

A solar charger also would be sufficient to = keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not = want AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate = unless you want it..

I also am just using the remote to open and = close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to = run control wires.

I can send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb = 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> = wrote:
The driveway opening is just over = 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates. The gates are about = 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc = conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls = in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our = power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the = main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be = too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a = sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than just = running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that. = Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t = too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, = whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done. = We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and = construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a = thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and = the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t = often need access to the back.

My main interest at this point is = brand recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but = it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, = etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty = wide range. Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen = appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this = list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 = for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, = having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so = that remains in the consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in the = researching phase, so any input will be greatly = appreciated.

Jim

> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> Hi = Jim:
>
> Do you have any particular needs = as far as gate configuration go?
>
> My = step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means = you
> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, = with added risk
> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait = on the street to ensure it
> = closed.
>
> A condo complex in California = had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the
> belts that held = up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was
> = never an snow...
>
> Places in Michigan = had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get
> hung up in = the snow or ice in the winter...
>
> If = you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might = want
> to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or = want to integrate a
> keypad into the controls? Same for an = intercom?
>
> I'm sure there are more = considerations, but those are what come immediately
> to = mind.
>
> ----------------
> All = the best,
>
> Al = Fuller
>
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = Jim Stone
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: = Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
> Subject: = [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>
> = Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate = openers?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or = brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will = be installing a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my = shop.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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From: old dirtbeard Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:34:37 -0800 To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0505547494800848223== --0000000000000bbffe05f4d49d60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, Yes, I think in general, the sliding gates probably are better if you have the requisite flat, lateral space for them to slide out of the way. They might be a little slower operating, but there inherently is just much less load on the gate itself and on the hinges, and they are much less vulnerable to wind interference for gates that have 30% or more opaque surface (e.g., for privacy). On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:07 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it > again just in case: > > > Thanks, Doug. I did get your message and had written something about it > in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. There is only abo= ut > 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single swinging g= ate would > create challenges parking in front of the garage, which is where we > generally park our daily drivers. > > Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I make > it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80=9D= between > the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the house. Wind is > definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy= a > few years ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us= . > I am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6=E2=80=9D decking bo= ards) will > be enough. I guess that is just one more reason to seriously consider th= e > slider. > > Jim > > On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, > there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates: > > 1. The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the > gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend = to > sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end = and > large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking = plate > from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment. > 2. Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but > if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-w= inds, > then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or > closing. > > You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate. > > Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, > etc., particularly if the drive is not paved. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your tim= e to take >> the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just star= ted >> researching this. >> >> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to >> keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a th= ru >> lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the str= eet >> that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks = to >> my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I have a >> pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to >> time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there wh= en >> we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a litt= le better >> looking but still block the view. >> >> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the >> spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but wo= uld >> probably be something to think about with a slider. >> >> Jim >> >> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne wrote: >> >> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest >> people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep >> livestock in/out? >> >> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look a= t how >> much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that ride= s >> on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80= =99t overlap >> on the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80= =9D shaped guide >> that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as eas= ily >> be on the gate. >> >> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to g= o >> around & get them. >> >> Peace, >> Pat >> >> Pat Horne >> We support Habitat for Humanity >> >> >> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the garag= e and the >> gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be m= ore >> trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a slidi= ng >> gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for th= e >> gate to slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some >> research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather = you need >> plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80= =99 ones. >> Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to r= emember to >> update the list when I am done. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate >> with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. >> >> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be >> about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate: >> >> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChM= InbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE >> >> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran >> 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there >> anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run th= e >> low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to th= e >> gate. >> >> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if >> you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. Ther= e >> really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it.. >> >> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars= , >> garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires. >> >> I can send photos if you would like. >> >> best, >> >> doug >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 ga= tes. The gates >>> are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section o= f pvc >>> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the control= s in >>> the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power = is pretty >>> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manu= al >>> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. T= he back is >>> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn= =E2=80=99t be >>> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably= skip that. >>> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99= t too >>> extreme, especially compared to Michigan! >>> >>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get thi= s >>> all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and con= tractors and >>> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a = thru >>> lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main >>> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often ne= ed access to >>> the back. >>> >>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard to >>> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back = up >>> batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to >>> $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available brands = I=E2=80=99ve >>> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this li= st >>> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for = dual >>> gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, having a trusted >>> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in th= e >>> consideration set. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatl= y >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, < >>> alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Jim: >>> > >>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go? >>> > >>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street mean= s >>> you >>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with >>> added risk >>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to >>> ensure it >>> > closed. >>> > >>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly >>> broke the >>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as >>> there was >>> > never an snow... >>> > >>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would >>> get >>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter... >>> > >>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you >>> might want >>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to >>> integrate a >>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom? >>> > >>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come >>> immediately >>> > to mind. >>> > >>> > ---------------- >>> > All the best, >>> > >>> > Al Fuller >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim >>> Stone >>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM >>> > To: Shop Talk >>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates >>> > >>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate >>> openers? >>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand >>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing a >>> dual >>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jim >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> > http://autox.team.net/archive >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Best, >> >> Doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >> >> > > -- > Best, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --=20 Best, Doug --0000000000000bbffe05f4d49d60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Jim,

Yes, I think in gene= ral, the sliding gates probably are better if you have the requisite flat, = lateral space for them=C2=A0to slide out of the way.=C2=A0

They might be a little slower operating,= but there inherently is just much less load on the gate itself and on the = hinges, and they are much less vulnerable to wind interference for gates th= at have 30% or more opaque surface (e.g., for privacy).

On Thu, Feb 16= , 2023 at 9:07 AM Jim Stone <178= 9alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

<= font color=3D"#0433ff">Apparently this message got bounced for some reason = so I am sending it again just in case:

Thanks, Doug.=C2=A0 I did get your message and had wri= tten something about it in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mista= ke.=C2=A0 There is only about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the = gate and a single swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of= the garage, which is where we generally park our daily drivers.
=
Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square t= ube if I make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about = 3/4=E2=80=9D between the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of th= e house.=C2=A0 Wind is definitely a concern where we are; we were in the pa= th of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago, although the serious damage was abou= t 60+ miles west of us.=C2=A0 I am assuming the gaps between the slats (bas= ically 6=E2=80=9D decking boards) will be enough.=C2=A0 I guess that is jus= t one more reason to seriously consider the slider.

Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:0= 7 AM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

Although I have a swing= ing gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two structural= issues that I see with swinging gates:
The unsupported weight across the length o= f them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is at the opening and th= e gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on = the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign"= the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every few years) as it sa= gs out of alignment.
Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it = is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale i= s prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with t= he gate opening or closing.=C2=A0
You should not have either = of these problems with a sliding gate.

Sliders tho= ugh are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc.,=C2=A0particular= ly=C2=A0if the drive is not paved.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 = AM Jim Stone <= 1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t thin= k it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage.= =C2=A0 Like I said, I have just started researching this.

The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee= p my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.=C2=A0 My property is a thr= u lot, with my shop/garage in the back.=C2=A0 Ours is the only house on the= street that has the garage in the back.=C2=A0 I try to be sensitive to how= it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. =C2= =A0 I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from= time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was th= ere when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it = a little better looking but still block the view.

=
FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in th= e spring.=C2=A0 That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, bu= t would probably be something to think about with a slider.

<= /div>
Jim

On Feb 16, 2023, a= t 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Next question I have is what is the purpose o= f the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c= losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?

There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take= a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v= -wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall se= eing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a sta= tionary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is = on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=C2=A0

I can send you some photos if you l= ike, it would take me a few days to go around & get them.=C2=A0

Peace,
P= at

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for Human= ity

On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36= AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB= =BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.=C2=A0 The area between the garage an= d the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would b= e more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a s= liding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side fo= r the gate to slide.=C2=A0 But, I know nothing about siding gates and have = some research to do.=C2=A0 And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I = gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than t= wo 6.5=E2=80=99 ones.=C2=A0 Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time= . =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am done.
Jim

= On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div>
Hi Jim,

My gate opening = also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of th= e GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=C2=A0

This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It = should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
https://www.gatecrafters.com= /product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYAS= ABEgIeJvD_BwE

These a= ll run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC i= n buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and the= n plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cabl= e in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate.

A solar charger also would be suffic= ient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do = not want=C2=A0AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gat= e unless you want it..

I = also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, gar= age, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.

I can send photos if you would like.

best,

doug

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <= ;1789alpine@gmail= .com> wrote:
The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 ga= tes.=C2=A0 The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on bu= rying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire = and put the controls in the garage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll probably use a batte= ry backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator = wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn= =E2=80=99t be too big a deal.=C2=A0 The back is pretty shaded and running w= ire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than jus= t running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that.=C2=A0 Weath= er-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t too ext= reme, especially compared to Michigan!

As for a keypad, whether or n= ot I add one will depend on when I get this all done.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re j= ust starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehi= cles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot).=C2=A0 Afte= r that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the = house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the bac= k.

My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.=C2=A0 It= is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (min= us back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around = $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range.=C2=A0 Common, readily availabl= e brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens= .=C2=A0 Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, b= ut is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.=C2=A0 = That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lo= t, so that remains in the consideration set.

I=E2=80=99m still in th= e researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com> <alfuller194@gmail.com>= wrote:
>=C2=A0
> Hi Jim:
>=C2=A0
> Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go= ?
>=C2=A0
> My step-mother has a swing gate, but t= he clearance to the street means you
> have to [1] when entering wait= on the street for it to open, with added risk
> of oncoming traffic,= and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it
> closed.
= >=C2=A0
> A condo complex in California had a lift-up= gate, which constantly broke the
> belts that held up the gate. We r= eally didn't need a lit gate, as there was
> never an snow...
= >=C2=A0
> Places in Michigan had gates that swung or = retracted, but they would get
> hung up in the snow or ice in the win= ter...
>=C2=A0
> If you are in a place where the e= lectric power is unreliable, you might want
> to consider solar power= and/or backup.=C2=A0 Do you need or want to integrate a
> keypad int= o the controls? Same for an intercom?
>=C2=A0
> I&= #39;m sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediate= ly
> to mind.
>=C2=A0
> ----------------
= > All the best,
>=C2=A0
> Al Fuller
>=C2=A0
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk = <s= hop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Stone
> Sent= : Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
> To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net<= /a>>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>= =C2=A0
> Does anyone have any experience installing automatic = driveway gate openers?
> It looks pretty straight-forward, but any ad= vice and/or brand
> recommendations would be greatly appreciated.=C2= =A0 I will be installing a dual
> gate opener for the driveway to my = shop.
>=C2=A0
> Thanks,
> Jim
> ______= _________________________________________
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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> Subject: [Shop-talk] work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work light? I'm talking about a portable, rechargeable, LED light. They usually have a hook on one end and a magnetic base. The Braun light at Harbor Freight is the sort of thing I'm talking about. https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-light-63958.html Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see say they charge from any USB source. They make that sound like it is a good thing. Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I have to work at inserting into a USB port on the light. Some of my older lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall. Then I could just take my light and set it into the base to charge. That seemed a lot more convenient than a USB. Am I the only one who feels this way? Thanks. -Steve -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 17 19:27:42 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2E1A0CBB for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:27:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726CAA0CA0 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:15:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id q14-20020a17090a430e00b00233d7314c1cso3161157pjg.5 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 18:16:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:content-language:accept-language:in-reply-to :references:message-id:date:thread-index:thread-topic:subject:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2e4olDwyOYt8Bq8QzK2eqGjmpC8t64xNmB3rk1zWlB8=; b=Co+yqHxz1v+labASWNXDyUwuHHRHQAIeNlnFhmF4ZqINT/UXy26N5TVUaP7+ylOp0P hXspxuChNn49nWD2lDYOEyx9gXef8yfGr6kCqy45Scf/6rZH7H3kHHGtNuSjz/XKRM6M rds3fyLRxf8mb6/2Wg81abj9kC/bcrxHG3KqW84DAAhQhliIysj+qeuqJgG96Z/759q3 Jw/5sNKrfiUqExe0JTY8O/hFtb/4idrHX+4pX03zKLR42rcIgjQaoJAsVnRf6Z7hrFMl dGHePTKUKcZ5bhAMzmaGr8c5iH0KbgxZiuyWBlrGmVnpKA2d5X2hEhqS0Sxn83G0qCc7 c+mg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:content-language:accept-language:in-reply-to :references:message-id:date:thread-index:thread-topic:subject:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2e4olDwyOYt8Bq8QzK2eqGjmpC8t64xNmB3rk1zWlB8=; b=YO/5FmsmgnPF1WxYi0pA4W1ssZ/KzYAPGDPvB72PTh6/CGUiDnq4MrQR3AQTvFlIcZ v5llzfeanmZPjCbpDu+NlZfq3vR3nY2FEl0esaAo61TCHGhncrpdgXDx5jsi3uGohr23 sKflgGumocl1zEPl3EtMrLt8a9qWCNbSbYEp2nGRgz6wFTFUn03TIx0c+Uf1Wz8dnIn7 eTThzL0YzBkiZ+HJOw+CCuz2nGGYaTSU7sFUhQbM1rYIiGB0/IWEa4XHrA4zyLkonWVq Y5w80Ku0AiJAgFETO6+PL8lejaIwSJzXXVe1PlGcCxfwwdctAaVcN2uHuarkImgbVT72 onkA== GdvlJA3sUeohsW1DD8ZFFOQ= ot3-20020a17090b3b4300b00233ee50d28bmr2750483pjb.16.1676686569256; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 18:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from BYAPR04MB6053.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([2603:1036:307:28f0::5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x9-20020a17090aca0900b002340f58e19bsm3485519pjt.45.2023.02.17.18.16.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Feb 2023 18:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: old dirtbeard To: Steven Trovato , shop-talk Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] work light Thread-Index: AQHZQz5sOfJo3kdPEEGQfpJmuyBBN67T9wlg Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 02:16:07 +0000 References:

<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63f033fa.4a0a0220.49d3c.ac48SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6123446834139493024== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BYAPR04MB60535F692F9716007B19D8B3ABA69BYAPR04MB6053namp_" --_000_BYAPR04MB60535F692F9716007B19D8B3ABA69BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a plug-in one, with a reel attached to the ceiling and now I have sw= itched almost entirely to using that as background and a headlamp by Klein = that I like very much. It is a USB chargeable one though, which I don't find a problem. Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Steven Trov= ato Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 6:00:45 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] work light Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work light? I'm talking about a portable, rechargeable, LED light. They usually have a hook on one end and a magnetic base. The Braun light at Harbor Freight is the sort of thing I'm talking about. https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnetic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-= light-63958.html Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see say they charge from any USB source. They make that sound like it is a good thing. Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I have to work at inserting into a USB port on the light. Some of my older lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall. Then I could just take my light and set it into the base to charge. That seemed a lot more convenient than a USB. Am I the only one who feels this way? Thanks. -Steve -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive rd@gmail.com --_000_BYAPR04MB60535F692F9716007B19D8B3ABA69BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a plug-in one, with a reel attached to the ceiling= and now I have switched almost entirely to using that as background and a = headlamp by Klein that I like very much.

It is a USB chargeable one though, which I don't find a p= roblem.

Best,

Doug

mobile

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Trovato <strovato@opto= nline.net>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 6:00:45 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] work light

Hello. What is your favorite mechanic's work= light? I'm talking
about a portable, rechargeable, LED light. They usually have a hook <= br> on one end and a magnetic base. The Braun light at Harbor Freight is =
the sort of thing I'm talking
about.
https://www.harborfreight.com/390-lumen-magnet= ic-slim-bar-folding-led-work-light-63958.html

Now, just to make the question a bit harder, most of the lights I see
say they charge from any USB source. They make that sound like it is =
a good thing. Well, I really hate having a loose USB cord that I
have to work at inserting into a USB port on the light. Some of my older lights came with a base that was plugged into the wall. Then I =
could just take my light and set it into the base to charge. That seemed a lot more convenient than a USB. Am I the only one who feels =
this way? Thanks.

-Steve

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Content-Language: en-US From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SSd2ZSBzYWlkIGl0IGJlZm9yZSBidXQgSSdtIGEgaHVnZSwgaHVnZSBmYW4gb2YgTEVEIGhlYWRs YW1wcy7CoCBUaGVyZSdzIAphIGxvdCB0byBiZSBzYWlkIGZvciBhbHdheXMgaGF2aW5nIHlvdXIg bGlnaHQgYWltZWQgd2hlcmUgeW91J3JlIGxvb2tpbmcgCndoaWxlIGhhdmluZyBib3RoIGhhbmRz IGZyZWUuwqAgSSBoYXZlIHNldmVyYWwgaGVhZGxhbXBzIGJ1dCBteSBFREMgaXMgYW4gCkFybXlU ZWsgV2l6YXJkIFByby7CoCBJdCB3YXNuJ3QgY2hlYXAgYnV0IEkgdGhpbmsgSSBjb3VsZCBwcm9i YWJseSBydW4gCm92ZXIgaXQgd2l0aCBteSB0cnVjayBhbmQgaXQnZCBzdGlsbCB3b3JrLsKgIEl0 IHNwaXRzIG91dCBhIHdpZGUsIGRpZmZ1c2UgCmxpZ2h0IHRoYXQgZG9lc24ndCBoYXZlIGFueSBj ZW50cmFsICJob3Qgc3BvdHMiIHdoaWNoIG1lYW5zIGl0J3MgZ3JlYXQgCmZvciB3b3JraW5nIHVw IGNsb3NlIGJ1dCBpdCBoYXMgYnJpZ2h0ZXIgbW9kZXMgdGhhdCBtYWtlIGl0IGdvb2QgZW5vdWdo IApmb3Igd2Fsa2luZyBhdCBuaWdodC4KCkl0IGRvZXMgaGF2ZSBhbiBvdmVybmlnaHQgVVNCIGNo YXJnZXIgYnV0IHNpbmNlIGl0IHVzZXMgYSBib2ctc3RhbmRhcmQgCjE4NjUwIGxpLWlvbiBiYXR0 ZXJ5LCB5b3UgY2FuIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgYmF0dGVyeSBhbmQgY2hhcmdlIGl0IGluIGFueSAKbGkt aW9uIGNoYXJnZXIgdGhhdCBjaGFyZ2VzIDE4NjUwIGNlbGxzLsKgIEkgaGF2ZSBhbiBpbmV4cGVu c2l2ZSBOaXRlY29yZSAKaTQgY2hhcmdlci4KCkoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTog aHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9u ICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxr IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6 Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRl YW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 17 21:40:31 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00683A0CD1 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:40:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (unknown [65.20.63.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA14A0B87 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:09:53 -0700 (MST) bh=5nZfk4YC+t0+V/PoSil2iXFTiR6DkUnhNElMeDtf8Qs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=leA93B2sOvOdZXX3zTIdGzrEf2IJ0jrBp3hcY+XZhRkc8VkbjWmUHRcu0x01nR6G4VshUNJAu39mEsRXZKs6E93XDCUurfRkUuvXz8DvMOZ+ByVtMwf3cCaD2BIFfgDsbvvFuEYwD0n6zKByssO6G3KaOHhvM9esUzYr6Yrg08au90lVOkMVQz/8odtSNQATTAlFdEd+w8wNalFYaAxvIVw5myQNqJqBVY9utW72kXIxo1W7Sp+/sCq0rigcVkzJyo9Ag8AnPFjdDdPzHxaCsGHHNtbW9TzWSQDDBHc1Mi0pLe7A+NkxbCeFidCHOnkktl/gMpstGShKWpK0ACsB1w== Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (68.194.180.117) by altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as strovato) id 63BCA10B0256833A for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:10:11 -0500 (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:10:02 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References:

<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. -Steve At 10:09 PM 2/17/2023, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I've said it before but I'm a huge, >huge fan of LED headlamps. There's >a lot to be said for always having your light aimed where you're looking >while having both hands free. I have several headlamps but my EDC is an >ArmyTek Wizard Pro. It wasn't cheap but I think I could probably run >over it with my truck and it'd still work. It spits out a wide, diffuse >light that doesn't have any central "hot spots" which means it's great >for working up close but it has brighter modes that make it good enough >for walking at night. > >It does have an overnight USB charger but since it uses a >bog-standard 18650 li-ion battery, you can remove the battery and >charge it in any li-ion charger that charges 18650 cells. I have an >inexpensive Nitecore i4 charger. > >J -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 17 22:02:28 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95938A0CD6 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:02:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (unknown [65.20.63.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2512FA0CB6 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:15:05 -0700 (MST) bh=p482ss3txOtlirqPr4czWz7hwWrXXTqDHPc+mZ5qFKE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=fIhz/DlttOxIUOMGbrDZAEFZ1X8N6fdHoB3qgDPl9oMNAwbzR8iuGlYX4y/m0DCJjrsBHz636qv+WK50dJ2d+RQGOrLFkuz0vkoQDx+0te9kCC9FX915KLabgn0TiYTjxGECOo+PgjGyetd9tzY0fUUApdEdQ4U6bNKSHmmqX2Ha4isO9pdZYtgOeBZPAZkjD49q5lojX4eZl/c4p3ODXK54u7nHJRFsvfyOF22rsHT4ngOL3HUatqsQhvvX7Thkt+cATEYOh8h0OHrm7hH9F3Cvhnxot00cn/fveWeTiG/p/+J6tNzKBJKIG1/YHvnoA9fuKUyIYxz1R65aJ5uVBw== pegfufdpoffvtefjohhstheprghlthhprhgurhhgohdthe Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (68.194.180.117) by altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as strovato) id 63BCA10802569994; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:15:21 -0500 (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:15:13 -0500 To: Jimmie Mayfield , shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References:

<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. -Steve At 10:09 PM 2/17/2023, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I've said it before but I'm a huge, >huge fan of LED headlamps. There's >a lot to be said for always having your light aimed where you're looking >while having both hands free. I have several headlamps but my EDC is an >ArmyTek Wizard Pro. It wasn't cheap but I think I could probably run >over it with my truck and it'd still work. It spits out a wide, diffuse >light that doesn't have any central "hot spots" which means it's great >for working up close but it has brighter modes that make it good enough >for walking at night. > >It does have an overnight USB charger but since it uses a >bog-standard 18650 li-ion battery, you can remove the battery and >charge it in any li-ion charger that charges 18650 cells. I have an >inexpensive Nitecore i4 charger. > >J -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 17 22:22:09 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858AAA0CDC for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 22:22:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80461A0A5D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:34:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA7C1E4CA6; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4LqbKMFICI-p; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:34:38 -0500 (EST) s=2022-US; t=1676694878; bh=JMdbzKDNZRYKvh+uWTqKIDskn5WLCsTObiOkm/0TgpY=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=YfgJv8YphwiDTpQ6uSkLEh+R9kyEX/6v6RfUtBSeCHhU1MzmYzf6Ne4ydDzR+Y8OP nqj2xzK48xlES8exEhqIhZaR7FkPsK0fSUmpn5D/GAZS4nZxn9LHPUjo1pU9NarbRX f7QbE63CCNE57tPZWExoJwGYtHXv3icMasrOSdiLpWM/DQPfNByCUGM3pVSf9/gKzn Oi182snKuCZxipJH8NcWHuB5fun1Ye/gB75L/PZVshoLrtzb7wURFGp46ravH3jOUD 6e3pqYEMMbfvlJEOe0Xhv7MJfED/duuiEf/YLw2SGVW6xEY8z0UYc7+RrqIf/BkJRU 5nhpOcMvImg4A== Received: from [10.0.1.32] (cpe-96-28-86-122.kya.res.rr.com [96.28.86.122]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E6FE1E38CC; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:34:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:34:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.2 Content-Language: en-US To: Steven Trovato , shop-talk@autox.team.net References:

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> cOj0ScJGhHiWrOHU/4vre1l2wnLSdI0MDucKCWDAjdS2vRNUcJcWH5ESyH/u1M4l5PACQ03Cpn/XHz20b45ItQK7neNzUZoVsCs= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7442301065420743848== boundary="=====================_1323730==.ALT" --=====================_1323730==.ALT At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over they years I've acquired quite a few. I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3 pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the house and in the shop. No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_1323730==.ALT
At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote:

>OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to
>have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out
>the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in
>the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I
>guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless
>charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for
>lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a
>phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port.

Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about
my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an
interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently
my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all
start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought
to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd
have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over
they years I've acquired quite a few.

I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3
pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for
Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the
house and in the shop.

No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing.

John

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John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III

65 Rambler Classic

Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

In God We Trust

Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

oneself; freedom from control or restriction

--=====================_1323730==.ALT-- --===============7442301065420743848== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7442301065420743848==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 09:37:38 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCF5A0A59 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:37:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta013.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.164.127.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FC1A0600 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 07:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.147]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id TLoWpqM2MZextTObnpUZxm; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 14:54:39 +0000 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([68.10.236.102]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id TOblpPXoy1pVPTObmpsIX2; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 14:54:39 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net a=fFb8bx/I9shrFqPlEITjOA==:117 a=fFb8bx/I9shrFqPlEITjOA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=iVAur8Dain9WPuw0DX4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=GGwxkeRKJ0dr3Umyi5gA:9 a=n6mSMT5fOQLqto2W:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lqcHg5cX4UMA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 09:49:51 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" UoOtr24mG/sjOHq7xgKMZCbFvOUfC+MaFPlxf+9cb619r/D9mVlucSZX/bjSSa9dMV8kIXrGpMZE0sO2o8eO4DEbT18rvb7U4Sc= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8923955600374063125== boundary="=====================_2230627==.ALT" --=====================_2230627==.ALT At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: A P.S. to the head lights, but this pertains to any of the battery items. As I said, I've got several of the Costco one. One is each of my tool bags, one in each major tool box, and several laying around the house. I hate it when I need a battery tool and the battery has leaked and messed up the inside. So I've gotten to where I keep most of my items that are powered by small AAA, AA, etc. in 1 gal freezer bags and keep the batteries in a sandwich zip log bag and put it in with the item. Yes, it's a pain to take the batteries out when you're done, and put then in when you want to use them, but it beats having the battery leak into your item and having to through it away. Many of the new Li based batteries dont seem as bad, but I really don't like too many battery operated items. Ususally when I need them the battery is dead, even when I have 2 batteries for them. In fact, I think I only have 2 cordless tools and both are drills, my over 20yr old Makita 9V and a Kawasaki 18V. It's supprising how you can go quite sometime between uses of some of your tools, like a stud finder. So I keep that in a zip lock bag with out the batteries, my tapeless tape measue, etc. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_2230627==.ALT
At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote:

A P.S. to the head lights, but this pertains to any of the battery items. As I said,
I've got several of the Costco one. One is each of my tool bags, one in each
major tool box, and several laying around the house.

I hate it when I need a battery tool and the battery has leaked and messed up the
inside. So I've gotten to where I keep most of my items that are powered by small AAA, AA, etc. in 1 gal freezer bags and keep the batteries in a sandwich
zip log bag and put it in with the item. Yes, it's a pain to take the batteries out
when you're done, and put then in when you want to use them, but it beats having
the battery leak into your item and having to through it away.

Many of the new Li based batteries dont seem as bad, but I really don't like too many battery operated items. Ususally when I need them the battery is dead,
even when I have 2 batteries for them. In fact, I think I only have 2 cordless
tools and both are drills, my over 20yr old Makita 9V and a Kawasaki 18V.

It's supprising how you can go quite sometime between uses of some of your tools, like a stud finder. So I keep that in a zip lock bag with out the batteries, my
tapeless tape measue, etc.

John

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Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III

65 Rambler Classic

Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

In God We Trust

Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

oneself; freedom from control or restriction

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You can get those batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You w= ant another button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B.

<= br>

-Paul

On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin <= ;rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote= :

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight troub= le lights.=C2=A0 I really like both.=C2=A0 The USB connection isn=E2=80=99t= a problem for me and they are a great improvement over the corded lights I= used for years. And the magnetic base and adjustable head is make them rea= lly versatile The only drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble ligh= t battery is removable, HF doesn=E2=80=99t carry a replacement. For all pra= ctical purposes when the battery goes the lights are throw aways.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob
> On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackhe= ads.org> wrote:
>
> Hi.=C2=A0 It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, = not Nichia).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Looking at their website, it looks like they'v= e updated the magnetic charger since I bought mine.=C2=A0 If I were in the = market for another one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nic= hia LED.=C2=A0 Max lumens are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very= incandescent-like warm light.
>
> J
>
>
> On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote:
>> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have?=C2=A0 It looks like the= re are a lot of choices.=C2=A0 It does look like they have some that charge= with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging = in a USB.
>>
>> -Steve
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On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Blair <jblair1948= @cox.net> wrote:

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At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote:

>OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going to
>have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out
>the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in
>the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I
>guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless
>charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether for
>lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a
>phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port.

Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about
my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an
interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently
my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all
start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought
to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd
have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over
they years I've acquired quite a few.

I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3
pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for
Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the
house and in the shop.

No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing.

John

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John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, Va &n= bsp; Phone: (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III

&nbs= p; 65 Rambler Classic

Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this = - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

=46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

In God We Trust

Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

&nbs= p; oneself; freedom from control or restriction

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I love them! Only problem I= =E2=80=99ve had is when on a creeper under a car on jack stands it sometimes= hits on things but is so much better than a drop light!

Pat Horne

We support Habitat for Humanity

On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Blair <= jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

Virus-free. ww= w.avast.com

John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, Va &n= bsp; Phone: (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III

&nbs= p; 65 Rambler Classic

Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this = - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

=46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

In God We Trust

Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

&nbs= p; oneself; freedom from control or restriction

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> <9E12DCFE-F161-41CC-A1A5-8157B5EED091@comcast.net> From: Eric Russell Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:58:49 -0500 To: Paul Parkanzky Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: ShopTalk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6149438230133605762== --00000000000096879705f4fd2fd6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure they are very useful but I can't help but think of the ad in the Hazard Fraught flyer... https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=3D771.0 EjR On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky wrote= : > You can get those batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You want another > button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B. > > -Paul > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin > wrote: > >> I=E2=80=99ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble = lights. >> I really like both. The USB connection isn=E2=80=99t a problem for me a= nd they are >> a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the >> magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only >> drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removab= le, >> HF doesn=E2=80=99t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when = the battery >> goes the lights are throw aways. >> Best, >> Bob >> > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield < >> mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not >> Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the >> magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for anoth= er >> one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumens >> are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like warm >> light. >> > >> > J >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: >> >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are a >> lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a mag= net >> connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. >> >> >> >> -Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --00000000000096879705f4fd2fd6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I&#= 39;m sure they are very useful but I can't help but think of the ad in = the Hazard Fraught flyer...

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On Sat,= Feb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> wrote:

You can get those batteries su= per cheaply on Amazon. You want another button-top protected 18650 like the= Panasonic NCR 18650B.

-Paul

On Sat, Feb 18, 2023= at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve = got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights.=C2=A0 I really l= ike both.=C2=A0 The USB connection isn=E2=80=99t a problem for me and they = are a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the ma= gnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The only draw= back is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is removable, HF = doesn=E2=80=99t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when the ba= ttery goes the lights are throw aways.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob
> On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackhe= ads.org> wrote:
>
> Hi.=C2=A0 It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, = not Nichia).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Looking at their website, it looks like they'v= e updated the magnetic charger since I bought mine.=C2=A0 If I were in the = market for another one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nic= hia LED.=C2=A0 Max lumens are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very= incandescent-like warm light.
>
> J
>
>
> On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote:
>> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have?=C2=A0 It looks like the= re are a lot of choices.=C2=A0 It does look like they have some that charge= with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging = in a USB.
>>
>> -Steve
>
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--00000000000096879705f4fd2fd6-- --===============6149438230133605762== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6149438230133605762==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 12:14:29 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96805A0A95 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:14:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from altprdrgo06.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (unknown [65.20.63.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B742A0736 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:16:02 -0700 (MST) bh=1kDarodtw75m+S0A1SNfa4sk6+GNBRY5pfznX/XAtao=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=F+6tbYdWmu2KRDjvTYhU+rMWL4/cmEe5lzytgQJvkTonh/IGBF/E7vO+5M/9LNxjxhByS0g+qw0tDJ6uzEKLsd8aXLkRQfIznlRvAgO9HnCUinF19WcADPG2elKSeKCXBn+MlpHtOFnPlfllZnvYJTgFL0Fs8CKPv1Jbn34lAcbkksjdKHlSKgyryduZKkaiCiEnu2SsbSoh7wqFaPxkPWMPSKW3vJZcDeJZyr/QAjsYhEWHQ1fhVhHcthpFOU90D+jSK1pmQohwCKX9mDkVPYwxIE4wRTnLKbvYgTVIciW3immRL2Qqw6AR5DPZ04PaE+Ncz65ZS2GHayE+hQo3aQ== Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (68.194.180.117) by altprdrgo06.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as strovato) id 63BCA12B02780084; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:16:12 -0500 (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:11:30 -0500 To: stuart From: Steven Trovato YCaMxNU213nT44wRlsv30CR5jIzvhkXNiZFvRp90mZKkTU5WE=@flyinglatte.com> References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6472529895153362175== boundary="=====================_338523682==.ALT" --=====================_338523682==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stuart, My understanding of the ArmyTek one is that it quickly attaches and detaches from the headband so you can use it as a head lamp or as a separate light. As I was the one asking in the first place, I obviously have no actual experience with this. I am just looking at their website. -Steve At 12:08 PM 2/18/2023, stuart wrote: >I am following this with interest.=C2 I have a >headlamp that I use for all sorts of things but >I find that crawling under a vehicle I sometimes >want to have the light come from a different >direction and a magnetic light with (or not) a >cord is handy.=C2 My zillion year old fluorescent >light has truly died and it is time to move to an LED version. > >=C2 > >I find this discussion has perfect timing.=C2 Thanks. > >=C2 > * Stuart. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com --=====================_338523682==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stuart,

My understanding of the ArmyTek one is that it quickly attaches and detaches from the headband so you can use it as a head lamp or as a separate light. As I was the one asking in the first place, I obviously have no actual experience with this. I am just looking at their website.

-Steve

At 12:08 PM 2/18/2023, stuart wrote:

I am following this with interest.=C2 I have a headlamp that I use for all sorts of things but= I find that crawling under a vehicle I sometimes want to have the light come from a different direction and a magnetic light with (or not) a cord is handy.=C2 My zillion year old fluorescent light has truly died and= it is time to move to an LED version.

=C2

I find this discussion has perfect timing.=C2 Thanks.

=C2

Stuart.

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--=====================_338523682==.ALT-- --===============6472529895153362175== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6472529895153362175==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 13:17:12 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B4A0D67 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:17:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899C3A0D9F for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lf1-f44.google.com with SMTP id w38so1776550lfu.1 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XgSnaG+CJ8TAERiYJ1i+3fHuI2Nt1R/kY4chSfKTSV8=; b=Pq2L/CJWO1UTaDhkF5vm26KnfYGG9jSFgEIWxYsdrLUjjuhEReT2E1ax8Ziy+AdS7l 1F4UbkYx6oCfI/iXbEpdaw0/yDJ8YyB5b3+/s1UNPy+2+aCFYQIzHAfSDTZn2Cv9H2xl 7Dx4PMFozjaBZX1ugbTm9JLUXvKUTNzRzkxqT7nL4xI0hw7HB7jLWimjRPJ0WZAal1QF u6BNlmQE/KAIFbpqQ9nk6sUCLV2rQEzbuKyLuo7Esujw1I6w/zrYBkVKlQPArSCPvBYD Aj8AHjEybFHCyQgQJP1y528O1WMpExvJUqIZmOITwy9yejRHG7j7JXeiFlzLg47O+zWb opcQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=XgSnaG+CJ8TAERiYJ1i+3fHuI2Nt1R/kY4chSfKTSV8=; b=1zKzfbvBSwNmNq5bEl/kjJCxGDrRAbvG3q4sczSfoQ9jeWrcSYEgyT9VpBWDIS711A R738alUBAFhZzTNOHzikZx0tLxAIiHFbBDWB2GVYznhTEjV9rV5b4MrAl7mAhi9mTgC2 A/Za+8N+/R5eTdYn0U0WmdRRBGeUY7d8zAC5WIxLHqDPHVM79d0b7n4kGQ6mtsCYx/i3 YA6683Xu28+YbqFVgiUMx+EzqAaGAWuz5Pbgi+wiuudYEsNnDXqmBp6w1wthP02cIe13 z6BhFmu4BLlAwZ2xF7QD1DUiyyQUrDYNLBlPhxSlfImoZAUHrObhhQZbL0h5j67eeK0D zbQw== mWsuMdqF0tE53Qp7LYdsickGSA97/Dt3OZ0YhPQ= y4-20020ac24464000000b004db266c4338mr21280lfl.1.1676745769954; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:42:49 -0800 (PST) References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> From: old dirtbeard Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:42:39 -0800 To: Pat Horne Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0817478620445784266== --000000000000ff309605f4fdcb91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to change them out, etc. I recently bought this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Ligh= t-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&locale= =3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_IN= C-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOP= PING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK6= 81362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-587000070730700= 13-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEg= KMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a stationary light. As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend. Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. best, doug On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne wrote: > Sharper Image? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: > > >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going t= o > >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before > seeking out > >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big > of a deal in > >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is > easier, but I > >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with > wireless > >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, whether > for > >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have > had a > >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. > > Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick > story about > my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be > an > interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. > Well apparently > my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and > we all > start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a > band. I thought > to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, > as I think I'd > have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. > Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that > NEAT!!! Well over > they years I've acquired quite a few. > > I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually hav= e > a 3 > pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew > one for > Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several > places in the > house and in the shop. > > No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. > > John > > > > Virus-free= . > www.avast.com > > <#m_-7932657105537752083_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ > > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --=20 Best, Doug --000000000000ff309605f4fdcb91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes= , I=C2=A0 was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mention= ed before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked= quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing= . They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type= of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of w= ork.

I started doing some= longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the r= ear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in = the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to = change them out, etc.

I r= ecently bought=C2=A0this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and = it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the = longer jobs:

https://www.homedepot.= com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-5= 6062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&locale=3Den-US&&= amp;mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-S= MART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPI= NG-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681= 362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013= -92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASAB= EgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is = just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detache= s quickly if you want a stationary light.

As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having= =C2=A0both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are= looking at is a real godsend.=C2=A0

Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do = better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting n= uts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work = underneath the vehicle, etc.

best,

<= /div>

doug

On Sa= t, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Sharper Image?

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Feb 18, 2023, at 10:32 AM, John T. Bla= ir <jblair1948@c= ox.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote:

>OK,=C2=A0 so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps.=C2=A0 I am going to
>have to give that a try.=C2=A0 I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out
>the Cadillac of headlamps!=C2=A0 I guess this USB thing isn't reall= y that big of a deal in
>the big picture of things.=C2=A0 I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I
>guess I can live with the USB.=C2=A0 Maybe someday they will come out with wireless
>charging like the phones have now.=C2=A0 Another downside of the USB, whether for
>lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out.=C2=A0 I have had a
>phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port.

Don't know how I missed this thread.=C2=A0 But I love the headlights.=C2=A0 A quick story about
my 1st one.=C2=A0 I can't think of the name of the store, but there use= d to be an
interesting gift store in the Malls.=C2=A0 Hay had all kinds of unusual thing.=C2=A0 Well apparently
my wife had gone there shopping for me.=C2=A0 So Xmas morning comes around and we all
start opening presents.=C2=A0 I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band.=C2=A0 I thought
to my self, "what the hell is this?".=C2=A0 I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd
have rather gotten another screwdriver.=C2=A0 But what the heck, it's Xmas.=C2=A0 Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight.=C2=A0 Man that NEAT!!!=C2=A0 Well over
they years I've acquired quite a few.

I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out.=C2=A0 They usually have a 3
pack.=C2=A0 I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for
Xmas.=C2=A0 I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the
house and in the shop.

No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing.

John

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Va. Beach, Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-8229

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 TR1800=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 #4 Midget=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77 Spitfire=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 - Thank a teacher!

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In God We Trust

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 choosing,=C2=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 oneself; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 restriction=C2=A0

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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10802569994@altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <9de85975-fdc8-db44-9481-2d4fc51c0dc1@sackheads.org> <9E12DCFE-F161-41CC-A1A5-8157B5EED091@comcast.net> From: old dirtbeard Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:13:29 -0800 To: Eric Russell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: ShopTalk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2670841642545448038== --00000000000044469105f4fe3ad5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is a great photo--hoping I do not look like that when I am using one.... :-) On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 10:58 AM Eric Russell wrote= : > I'm sure they are very useful but I can't help but think of the ad in the > Hazard Fraught flyer... > https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=3D771.0 > > EjR > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky > wrote: > >> You can get those batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You want another >> button-top protected 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B. >> >> -Paul >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin >> wrote: >> >>> I=E2=80=99ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble= lights. >>> I really like both. The USB connection isn=E2=80=99t a problem for me = and they are >>> a great improvement over the corded lights I used for years. And the >>> magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile The onl= y >>> drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is remova= ble, >>> HF doesn=E2=80=99t carry a replacement. For all practical purposes when= the battery >>> goes the lights are throw aways. >>> Best, >>> Bob >>> > On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield < >>> mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi. It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, not >>> Nichia). Looking at their website, it looks like they've updated the >>> magnetic charger since I bought mine. If I were in the market for anot= her >>> one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nichia LED. Max lumen= s >>> are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very incandescent-like war= m >>> light. >>> > >>> > J >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote: >>> >> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have? It looks like there are = a >>> lot of choices. It does look like they have some that charge with a ma= gnet >>> connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging in a USB. >>> >> >>> >> -Steve >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --=20 Best, Doug --00000000000044469105f4fe3ad5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tha= t is a great photo--hoping I do not look like that when I am using one....= =C2=A0 :-)

On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 10:58 AM Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>

I'm sure they are v= ery useful but I can't help but think of the ad in the Hazard Fraught f= lyer...
https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=3D771.0=C2=A0
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On Sat, F= eb 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> wrote:

You can get th= ose batteries super cheaply on Amazon. You want another button-top protecte= d 18650 like the Panasonic NCR 18650B.

-Paul

On Sat= , Feb 18, 2023 at 7:48 AM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= I=E2=80=99ve got both the Braun and Icon Harbor Freight trouble lights.=C2= =A0 I really like both.=C2=A0 The USB connection isn=E2=80=99t a problem fo= r me and they are a great improvement over the corded lights I used for yea= rs. And the magnetic base and adjustable head is make them really versatile= The only drawback is that, even though the Braun trouble light battery is = removable, HF doesn=E2=80=99t carry a replacement. For all practical purpos= es when the battery goes the lights are throw aways.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob
> On Feb 17, 2023, at 11:34 PM, Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackhe= ads.org> wrote:
>
> Hi.=C2=A0 It's a Wizard C2 Pro with the warm-light LED (Cree LED, = not Nichia).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Looking at their website, it looks like they'v= e updated the magnetic charger since I bought mine.=C2=A0 If I were in the = market for another one, I'd probably spring for the C2 Pro with the Nic= hia LED.=C2=A0 Max lumens are a little lower but Nichia LEDs put out a very= incandescent-like warm light.
>
> J
>
>
> On 2/17/23 23:15, Steven Trovato wrote:
>> BTW, which ArmyTek Wizard Pro do you have?=C2=A0 It looks like the= re are a lot of choices.=C2=A0 It does look like they have some that charge= with a magnet connection, so maybe that addresses my aversion to plugging = in a USB.
>>
>> -Steve
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<370302748.1018033.1676460987103@connect.xfinity.com> <63BCA1080252BFD0@altprdrgo03.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <63BCA10B0256833A@altprdrgo01.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net> <20230218163314.7DF4BA0A02@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1697708285404177377== boundary="Apple-Mail=_07C6CDD6-740C-4B23-881C-CF347CC4C2F3" --Apple-Mail=_07C6CDD6-740C-4B23-881C-CF347CC4C2F3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Speaking of Costco, I bought this light there several years ago and find = it very handy. The two slide lights detach, have magnetic bases and = they make nice small work lights on their own. It provides a lot of = aim-able light, especially when all three are lit at once. =20 Costco appears to be out of stock online on it at the moment, but they = may be in stores. They also sell them on Amazon, but they are almost = twice the price there. = https://www.costco.com/epower-360-rechargeable-led-worklight-%2526-spotlig= ht.product.100729951.html=EF=BF=BC ePOWER 360 Rechargeable LED Worklight & Spotlight costco.com = https://www.amazon.com/ePOWER-360-2000-LUMENS/dp/B08KJJSH4J/ref=3Dsr_1_2?k= eywords=3DePOWER+360&qid=3D1676748981&sr=3D8-2=EF=BF=BC 2000 LUMENS amazon.com > On Feb 18, 2023, at 9:39 AM, John T. Blair wrote: >=20 >=20 > At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote: >=20 > >OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am = going to=20 > >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, = before seeking out=20 > >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that = big of a deal in=20 > >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is = easier, but I=20 > >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with = wireless=20 > >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, = whether for=20 > >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I = have had a=20 > >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. >=20 > Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A = quick story about > my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to = be an=20 > interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual = thing. Well apparently=20 > my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around = and we all > start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on = a band. I thought > to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my = face, as I think I'd=20 > have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. = Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man = that NEAT!!! Well over > they years I've acquired quite a few. >=20 > I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually = have a 3 > pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and = nephew one for > Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in = several places in the > house and in the shop. >=20 > No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > = = Virus-free. www.avast.com = = >=20 >=20 > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 >=20 > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic >=20 > Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ >=20 > Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >=20 > =46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for=20= > oneself; freedom from control or restriction=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_07C6CDD6-740C-4B23-881C-CF347CC4C2F3 type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F31C44DA-5E6E-48EA-9342-FE8E10084EE3" --Apple-Mail=_F31C44DA-5E6E-48EA-9342-FE8E10084EE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Speaking of = Costco, I bought this light there several years ago and find it very = handy. The two slide lights detach, have magnetic bases and they = make nice small work lights on their own. It provides a lot of = aim-able light, especially when all three are lit at once. =

Costco appears to be out of stock online on it = at the moment, but they may be in stores. They also sell them on = Amazon, but they are almost twice the price = there.

ePOWER 360 Rechargeable LED Worklight & = Spotlight

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On Feb 18, 2023, at 9:39 AM, John T. Blair = <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato wrote:

>OK, so you guys may be onto something with the = headlamps. I am going to
>have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out
>the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that big of a deal in
>the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I
>guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come = out with wireless
>charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the = USB, whether for
>lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have had a
>phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port.

Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about
my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to be an
interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual thing. Well apparently
my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all
start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a band. I thought
to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd
have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over
they years I've acquired quite a few.

I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually have a 3
pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one for
Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in several places in the
house and in the shop.

No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing.

John

=

Virus-free. www.avast.com

John T. Blair WA4OHZ     email: jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, = Va            =       Phone: (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)

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=             &n= bsp;          65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

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If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

=46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:

     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."

     In God We Trust

     Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for

=             &n= bsp;     oneself; freedom from control or restriction

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bh=umtMTSU8VhfeStsHwzakGGt6Iog4sMYH3iKzNNKTOYA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=qX004rgJ18CDHMBSt03U0Gbxy8PldMQWZgjbTZv3g0JvkwdK+l1ZfepoBfn6pvnOK6ILnVFk3qG3kd/YQh0cDX14oU+juct9b8WtB4v6q5gjELu/ds0n5fRnjOpiStYUWH40svpFymqq8KvCHHLUtSYTkIMt/+iFAmtKCqlr3lkfeUpLNDVOkF/RomHhWREuXDifQb7i7tvoXjFdKrA8iPhY0E5S9r9TArWFl6Gz2LOSIjCtfZy2M9XeiT0jAhkEylAciT0DyScftJMVGjFvQ9gVzdGHMjKbuQCqg+Lnif62H1CMcKGae8wHTzcvi2EEAzrx8V36qh9kkJ0jf4IU4A== hhgpuhhsvghrpehsthhrohhvrghtohesohhpthhimhhumhdrnhgvthdpghgvohfkrfepfgfupdfovfetjfhoshhtpegrlhhtphhrughrghhotdeh Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (68.194.180.117) by altprdrgo05.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as strovato) id 63BCA108027E04E0; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:51:38 -0500 (added by postmaster@optonline.net) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:46:29 -0500 To: old dirtbeard ,Pat Horne From: Steven Trovato mail.com> References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3948734295738224074== boundary="=====================_347848814==.ALT" --=====================_347848814==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy that or one of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything right now, I guess I would need to get a strap one way or the other. -Steve At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >Yes, I=C2 was slow to adopt them too (I thought >it was frivolous as mentioned before) and >started off with a cheap pair as a gift that >actually worked quite well. I first used them >crawling under the house to do some plumbing. >They have about 4 hours of battery life and are >good enough for that type of work. I found >myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work. > >I started doing some longer jobs in the shop >(e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the >rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), >and they tend to run down in the middle of a >job, and then you need to put your greasy hands >on them to change them out, etc. > >I recently bought=C2 this Klein for $30 from Home >Depot (free shipping) and it lasts 9 hours on >high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs: > >https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Recharge= able-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&= source=3Dshoppingads&locale=3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_= TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-= FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_T= OOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-717000= 00083602792-58700007073070013-927000636775018 >40&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc= =3Daw.ds > >They make brighter ones as well, but I find that >this one is just about perfect for doing >mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches >quickly if you want a stationary light. > >As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, >and having=C2 both hands free and having a bright >light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend.=C2 > >Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am >faster and do better-quality work because I can >just see better now, especially fitting nuts in >tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in >engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. > >best, > >doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com --=====================_347848814==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy that or one of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything right now, I guess I would need to get a strap one way or the other.

-Steve

At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote:

Yes, I=C2 was slow to = adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of work.

I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on them to change them out, etc.

I recently bought=C2 this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and= it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the longer jobs:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Ligh= t-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&am= p;locale=3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-P= B-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_R= M2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_IN= C-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-7170000008360= 2792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_Q= IVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a stationary light.

As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having=C2 both hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real godsend.=C2

Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc.

best,

doug

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--=====================_347848814==.ALT-- --===============3948734295738224074== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3948734295738224074==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 18:40:50 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C748A0E05 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:40:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com (unknown [209.85.215.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C72BA0E00 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id u5so868983pgm.4 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:36:32 -0800 (PST) h=content-language:thread-index:mime-version:message-id:date:subject :in-reply-to:references:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=3zSQP7SMl773LQE24VJ6zu7t9uVAhwS2yPbouVAFG8Y=; b=eDx1DGXXj4/qPGFBKGvB3M6dSURXYdD0RWUYejJsia3GEA81HX4Mbq7bL/X3CNBnYG 9Lf4pgczjJAxHbjxZ2UJRRbEr1wtwS1ZLzLxma4gws3OkbR6nfeN6HH7+KYvJ3UWFEfe jFiexq6VQL0TNwkDGr1HISe3rPmuRkE4VW0rMT9NYk1n63kOmiZgyX2u+W1Oto14StnP e7o+PtYlTadAaBw+eSG+EqyT4mfS1h0UfSUxU0XXPqOg8QMu5YWNNDjYMMEl9BDi1H8s oOsrfAFGDvdwvJfpOscadaEQvWxiS/4rHMU12W4K81lFPzQLbIkGLar5tAE/5ygg6kyI nAUA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-language:thread-index:mime-version:message-id:date:subject :in-reply-to:references:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3zSQP7SMl773LQE24VJ6zu7t9uVAhwS2yPbouVAFG8Y=; b=3hfJOJnPUVQ4fM3D47K1STMB4AEYxcg/ZysUySQtN1uetQqz3xmGacB0efYLYdGlV8 qNTTPHPX6gAStq32kWCj/5F4oztwCuxwWZzUgtQaIS925QsY3VenPG1iHjFuWmfxI3JS 7k928oI1UiW9AhR1HbHgVJrBKzUXw96/JxlKM0xoWIC6hASjS8E1Ps+3G3Ze1sakhoVb PSmhXSb+o5skH23HrmWBh3cD9Hfe7ctkjxgSjn3Fhw5W40t6QLi9JOU4kXoxtiTHrhzi Uj7tYJjpcs1IdmlYDboe4qIxqJQaLOL9Pf36ygQ6RHm3C7+A470nI7jcU+GsIYsBCMGM 62UA== oLm67EZ3ZGDvl4xW2jtQT4Q= a191-20020a621ac8000000b00592528e72a1mr5012582pfa.27.1676770591997; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpenvy2 ([2600:8801:2f85:7500:1d93:b234:d342:c33e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n4-20020aa78a44000000b0058d9058fe8asm3546655pfa.103.2023.02.18.17.36.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: To: "'old dirtbeard'" , "'Pat Horne'" References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:36:29 -0800 Thread-Index: AQM+Rnp5/rNRZTOh6hYKxROzaTBpogJXUREbArxxcE2r4tfkEA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: 'Tom Mitchell' , Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7548124187574953955== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_17AB_01D943BF.89745F60" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_17AB_01D943BF.89745F60 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding:=20 =E2=80=9CAs I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both = hands free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking = at is a real godsend. =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 =20 YUP!! I had pretty good eyesight all my life until I went to = professional school in my 40=E2=80=99s, where I had to read ~300-400 = pages a day, plus my day job! I fought the conventional wisdom that we = need more light as we age, but at some point I got more light on the = case as I was working on the cars, and BAM =E2=80=93 life changed. = I=E2=80=99m now looking at 70 late this year, and I can tell you = =E2=80=9Cthey=E2=80=9D are right. As we age, we need magnitudes more = light to see the same things we saw when younger. I don=E2=80=99t fight = it, it=E2=80=99s just the way it is. I=E2=80=99m just glad we have = great products coming out these days!! ---------------- All the best, =20 Al Fuller =20 From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of old = dirtbeard Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:43 AM To: Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light =20 Yes, I was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as = mentioned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that = actually worked quite well. I first used them crawling under the house = to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are = good enough for that type of work. I found myself relying upon them more = and more for all sorts of work. =20 I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG = TF replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they = tend to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your = greasy hands on them to change them out, etc. =20 I recently bought this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and = it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for = the longer jobs: =20 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Li= ght-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&lo= cale=3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TO= OLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mm= c=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART= -NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-587= 00007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29= wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds =20 They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about = perfect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches = quickly if you want a stationary light. =20 As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having both hands = free and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is = a real godsend.=20 =20 Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do = better-quality work because I can just see better now, especially = fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine = bays, all work underneath the vehicle, etc. =20 best, =20 doug =20 On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne OK, so you guys may be onto something with the headlamps. I am going = to=20 >have to give that a try. I think I'll try something basic first, = before seeking out=20 >the Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that = big of a deal in=20 >the big picture of things. I do think some sort of base or cradle is = easier, but I=20 >guess I can live with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with = wireless=20 >charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the USB, = whether for=20 >lights or phones or whatever is that those USB ports wear out. I have = had a=20 >phone and a light with a broken/failed USB port. Don't know how I missed this thread. But I love the headlights. A = quick story about my 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to = be an=20 interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds of unusual = thing. Well apparently=20 my wife had gone there shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around = and we all start opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a = band. I thought to my self, "what the hell is this?". I tried to put a smile on my = face, as I think I'd=20 have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, it's Xmas. = Several months later I'm doing something and try the headlight. Man = that NEAT!!! Well over they years I've acquired quite a few. I recommend, if you a member of Costco, check them out. They usually = have a 3 pack. I've bought one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew = one for Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the ligths in = several places in the house and in the shop. No I don't know how I lived so long without such a thing. John =20 = =20 = = Virus-free. www.avast.com=20 = =20 = John T. = Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net = Va. = Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 = =20 = = 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) = 75 = Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III = = 65 Rambler Classic = =20 = Morgan: = http://autox.team.net/morgan/ = =20 = = Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org = =20 = If you = can read this - Thank a teacher! = If you = are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! = =20 = From = Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: = e = pluribus Unum, "from many, one." = In = God We Trust = = Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for =20 = = oneself; freedom from control or restriction =20 = =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com = = _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com = =20 = =20 = --=20 = Best, = =20 = Doug ------=_NextPart_000_17AB_01D943BF.89745F60 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Regarding:

=E2=80=9CAs I have gotten older, I need = better lighting, and having both hands free and having a bright = light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real = godsend. =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6

YUP!! I had pretty = good eyesight all my life until I went to professional school in my = 40=E2=80=99s, where I had to read ~300-400 pages a day, plus my day = job!=C2=A0 I fought the conventional wisdom that we need more light as = we age, but at some point I got more light on the case as I was working = on the cars, and BAM =E2=80=93 life changed. I=E2=80=99m now looking at = 70=C2=A0 late this year, and I can tell you =E2=80=9Cthey=E2=80=9D are = right. As we age, we need magnitudes more light to see the same things = we saw when younger. I don=E2=80=99t fight it, it=E2=80=99s just the way = it is.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m just glad we have great products coming out = these days!!

----------------

All the best,

Al = Fuller

From: Shop-talk = <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of old = dirtbeard
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 10:43 = AM
To: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Cc: = Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work = light

Yes, I was slow = to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and = started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. = I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They = have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type of = work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of = work.

I started doing some = longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF replacing the = rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend to run down = in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy hands on = them to change them out, etc.

I recently = bought this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and it = lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the = longer jobs:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work= -Light-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppin= gads&locale=3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TO= OLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-= FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-K= LEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM= 2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaI= QobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds=

They make brighter = ones as well, but I find that this one is just about perfect for doing = mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if you want a = stationary light.

As I have gotten = older, I need better lighting, and having both hands free and = having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a real = godsend.

Not only is it more = convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quality work because I = can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight spaces, trying = to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath the vehicle, = etc.

best,

doug

On = Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> = wrote:

Sharper Image?
Pat Horne
We support Habitat for = Humanity

On Feb 18, 2023, at = 10:32 AM, John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> = wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
At 11:10 PM 2/17/2023, Steven Trovato = wrote:

>OK, so you guys may be onto something with the = headlamps. I am going to
>have to give that a try. I = think I'll try something basic first, before seeking out
>the = Cadillac of headlamps! I guess this USB thing isn't really that = big of a deal in
>the big picture of things. I do think = some sort of base or cradle is easier, but I
>guess I can live = with the USB. Maybe someday they will come out with wireless =
>charging like the phones have now. Another downside of the = USB, whether for
>lights or phones or whatever is that those USB = ports wear out. I have had a
>phone and a light with a = broken/failed USB port.

Don't know how I missed this = thread. But I love the headlights. A quick story about
my = 1st one. I can't think of the name of the store, but there used to = be an
interesting gift store in the Malls. Hay had all kinds = of unusual thing. Well apparently
my wife had gone there = shopping for me. So Xmas morning comes around and we all
start = opening presents. I open this one, some sort of flash light on a = band. I thought
to my self, "what the hell is = this?". I tried to put a smile on my face, as I think I'd =
have rather gotten another screwdriver. But what the heck, = it's Xmas. Several months later I'm doing something and try the = headlight. Man that NEAT!!! Well over
they years I've = acquired quite a few.

I recommend, if you a member of Costco, = check them out. They usually have a 3
pack. I've bought = one of the packs, then given both my boys and nephew one = for
Xmas. I've also bought the 3 packs, and put one of the = ligths in several places in the
house and in the shop.

No I = don't know how I lived so long without such a = thing.

John

<= a = href=3D"https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source= =3Dlink&utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclient&ut= m_term=3Dicon" target=3D"_blank">Virus-free. www.avast.com =

John T. Blair = WA4OHZ     email: jblair1948@cox.net<= /p>
Va. Beach, = Va            = ;      Phone: (757) = 495-8229
<= /a>
    &= nbsp;     48 TR1800    48 #4 = Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V = (B1106)
     = 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    = 71 Saab Sonett III
    &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;      65 Rambler = Classic
<= /a>
Morgan:   = http://autox.team.net/morgan/<= /span>
<= /a>
Bricklin:  &nbs= p; http://www.bricklin.org=
<= /a>
If you can read = this           &nb= sp; - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in = English - Thank a Vet!!
<= /a>
From Dennis Prager - The = American Trilogy:
     = e pluribus Unum, "from many, = one."
     = In God We Trust
     = Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, = and acting for
    &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; oneself; freedom from control or = restriction

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Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Steven Trovato Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 12:46:29 PM To: old dirtbeard ; Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy that or one= of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything right now, I guess = I would need to get a strap one way or the other. -Steve At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: Yes, I=C2 was slow to adopt them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentio= ned before) and started off with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worke= d quite well. I first used them crawling under the house to do some plumbin= g. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that typ= e of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of = work. I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF= replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend= to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy h= ands on them to change them out, etc. I recently bought=C2 this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and= it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the= longer jobs: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Ligh= t-300-Lumens-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&locale= =3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_IN= C-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOP= PING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK6= 81362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-587000070730700= 13-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh29wg59EAQYASABEg= KMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about per= fect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if y= ou want a stationary light. As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having=C2 both hands fr= ee and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a re= al godsend.=C2 Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quali= ty work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight= spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath t= he vehicle, etc. best, doug [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-ora= nge-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free.www.avast.com --_000_BYAPR04MB6053B57CA1861AC739AC613EABA79BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the= later photos of you scroll to the right.

Best,

Doug

mobile

From: Steven Trovato <st= rovato@optonline.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 12:46:29 PM
To: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>; Pat Horne <patinte= xas@icloud.com>
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light

It looks like that one does not come with a strap. Did you buy t= hat or one of the choices with a strap? As I don't have anything righ= t now, I guess I would need to get a strap one way or the other.

-Steve

At 01:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote:

Yes, I=C2 was slow to adop= t them too (I thought it was frivolous as mentioned before) and started off= with a cheap pair as a gift that actually worked quite well. I first used = them crawling under the house to do some plumbing. They have about 4 hours of battery life and are good enough for that type = of work. I found myself relying upon them more and more for all sorts of wo= rk.

I started doing some longer jobs in the shop (e.g., working on my '54 MG TF= replacing the rear springs, going through the brakes, etc.), and they tend= to run down in the middle of a job, and then you need to put your greasy h= ands on them to change them out, etc.

I recently bought=C2 this Klein for $30 from Home Depot (free shipping) and= it lasts 9 hours on high and 17 hours on low. It is just the thing for the= longer jobs:

https://ww= w.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Headlamp-and-Work-Light-300-Lume= ns-3-Modes-56062/313993090?g_store=3D&source=3Dshoppingads&locale= =3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_= TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&c= m_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMA= RT-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-587= 00007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIiOOz7tmf_QIVugKtBh= 29wg59EAQYASABEgKMP_D_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

They make brighter ones as well, but I find that this one is just about per= fect for doing mechanical work in the garage. It also detaches quickly if y= ou want a stationary light.

As I have gotten older, I need better lighting, and having=C2 both hands fr= ee and having a bright light trained on whatever you are looking at is a re= al godsend.=C2

Not only is it more convenient, I find that I am faster and do better-quali= ty work because I can just see better now, especially fitting nuts in tight= spaces, trying to find dropped parts in engine bays, all work underneath t= he vehicle, etc.

best,

doug

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A: Klein Tools 56062 Rechargeable Headlamp and Work Light easily attaches directly to a Klein Hard Hat or Safety Helmet with mount, or Klein Tools' bracketed strap, and can also mount to any ferrous surface with its convenient integrated magnet. Klein Hard Hats with mounts and Klein bracketed straps are sold separately. byKlein Tools|Nov 14, 2022 At 09:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you >scroll to the right. > >Best, > >Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 20:46:35 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46749A0C20 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:46:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pj1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30EAA0BCF for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pj1-f43.google.com with SMTP id gt5-20020a17090af2c500b00233d7314c1cso1785652pjb.5 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:content-language:accept-language:in-reply-to :references:message-id:date:thread-index:thread-topic:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=lGUVF1FnBjZEJIEMSnsmzteCKBbnpYtT6h75TyHrSPA=; b=IwBkQxsLMD4QjyVdeT8O+4cthaKEBRUCPDt24d1IC85rX//V1Ta1wW4o13QOETICqg uNSO/uFcx+AndLCxeHCKcS3uPNUhVCVEsVebVgd/VALt0GYhzuBZ086JFpgic3R3W0UW yWPbmv9+aXB/OlOylw3PmBp+yaUYxhBHuLOe5pKEtgMtew1BqYjxZwF0MFTfdLGpm2Z3 sp7vgq1YqTyMiV5bxMnGYM/8oyY4jyHOZsm0b2kZnBYuR6/2H5O7L0J0V42UxQOKH9/m iqs2ZKzlhFM9n77rTtSMvvsz0f9eXdvblTEBWRxd82+m9mnXV7UU2C6yTRQTuCbdq3r/ AGng== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:content-language:accept-language:in-reply-to :references:message-id:date:thread-index:thread-topic:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=lGUVF1FnBjZEJIEMSnsmzteCKBbnpYtT6h75TyHrSPA=; b=P8iScXfmQHkmIOeFaBCIyYZRIQb7+dnRzcRfTTkiTyykgAW3f1fKRH170HLAQciuMf bnqD+ZOs9DCXWkDs/VrmKD0q1W0SqyOeQO2WrL1hkag4jMPrs3NGUjMPzKBpwBPJQzar srosS8FGa3OGOouJl9yaJBC9gOgy5G7lAqdPOvSU/SdEw3YavbU23oe/c3i2is3QTshf yYYCa1zsy+wDM/jnZ+cnbShkdA0HZorz2RfJo3A7g33V59Z+YKzzGwmBKIfVFyz6SU6R ZJ5jWQxOKVYBL8fOEND4xq2XdqeR8muyfl0880R31PfioWrE9X84L7yLi7PEi622wBb5 49yw== 4tJktHj3emdqvLHgSzUzCsI= a16-20020a170902ecd000b0019ae96a58b3mr599773plh.22.1676776702214; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from BYAPR04MB6053.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([2603:1036:307:28f0::5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j4-20020a170903028400b0019b09370031sm1002658plr.155.2023.02.18.19.18.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: old dirtbeard To: Steven Trovato , Pat Horne Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] work light Thread-Index: AUE1LjYwZVGz/qEzFuoKxROzaTBpojRFNTREUXJrQ1ZORFMwMDIzMDZFMjMwNkVORFNiY6Poj724 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 03:18:20 +0000 References: <20230218163215.2FD05A0D2A@autox.team.net> <63f13a5a.050a0220.0ad0.49b0SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <63EE6762009738B2@cmx-alt-rgin006.mx-altice.prod.cloud.synchronoss.net> <63f193be.0c0a0220.1bc24.1f78SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3406490080047658258== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BYAPR04MB6053E7FAEC579B031C6080A4ABA79BYAPR04MB6053namp_" --_000_BYAPR04MB6053E7FAEC579B031C6080A4ABA79BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, writing link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rechargeable-Light-Array-LED-Headla= mp-with-Adjustable-Fabric-Strap-260-Lumens-2-Modes-56049/313136261?source= =3Dshoppingads&locale=3Den-US&&mtc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_= ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1= 927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_I= NC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-717000000836= 02792-58700007073070013-92700063677501840&gclid=3DCj0KCQiAi8KfBhCuARIsADp-A= 54_YT7MMuhrXi17LpHfkqJRSKEpBoc-SuBE1cwzSyO2PnDe84q23s4aAvJvEALw_wcB&gclsrc= =3Daw.ds#overlay This one should be right Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Steven Trovato Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 7:12:49 PM To: old dirtbeard ; Pat Horne Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light Q:Does it include a strap or a mount? A: Klein Tools 56062 Rechargeable Headlamp and Work Light easily attaches directly to a Klein Hard Hat or Safety Helmet with mount, or Klein Tools' bracketed strap, and can also mount to any ferrous surface with its convenient integrated magnet. Klein Hard Hats with mounts and Klein bracketed straps are sold separately. byKlein Tools|Nov 14, 2022 At 09:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote: >It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you >scroll to the right. > >Best, > >Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com --_000_BYAPR04MB6053E7FAEC579B031C6080A4ABA79BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, writing link:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Rec= hargeable-Light-Array-LED-Headlamp-with-Adjustable-Fabric-Strap-260-Lumens-= 2-Modes-56049/313136261?source=3Dshoppingads&locale=3Den-US&&mt= c=3DSHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-N= A-NA-MK681362200-NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2&cm_mmc=3DSHOPPING-RM-= RMP-GGL-D27-027_011_TOOLS_ACC-PB-KLEIN_TOOLS_INC-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK681362200= -NA-NBR-1927-CON-NA-FY23_1927_RM2-71700000083602792-58700007073070013-92700= 063677501840&gclid=3DCj0KCQiAi8KfBhCuARIsADp-A54_YT7MMuhrXi17LpHfkqJRSK= EpBoc-SuBE1cwzSyO2PnDe84q23s4aAvJvEALw_wcB&gclsrc=3Daw.ds#overlay

This one should be right

Best,

Doug

mobile

From: Steven Trovato <st= rovato@optonline.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 7:12:49 PM
To: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>; Pat Horne <patinte= xas@icloud.com>
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] work light

Q:Does it include a strap or a mount?
A: Klein Tools 56062 Rechargeable Headlamp and Work Light easily
attaches directly to a Klein Hard Hat or Safety Helmet with mount, or
Klein Tools' bracketed strap, and can also mount to any ferrous
surface with its convenient integrated magnet. Klein Hard Hats with
mounts and Klein bracketed straps are sold separately.
byKlein Tools|Nov 14, 2022

At 09:42 PM 2/18/2023, old dirtbeard wrote:
>It has a pretty good strap shown on one of the later photos of you
>scroll to the right.
>
>Best,
>
>Doug

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