Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:47:24 -0600

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Next question I have is what is the purpose=
 of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c=
losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?<div><br></div><div>There are a lot of sli=
ding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look at how much they overlap. S=
ome are cantilevered &amp; some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron t=
rack across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the sid=
e the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped gui=
de that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easi=
ly be on the gate.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I can send you some photos=
 if you like, it would take me a few days to go around &amp; get them.&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat H=
orne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmai=
l.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"=
content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Thanks for all of the a=
dvice, guys. &nbsp;The area between the garage and the gate is not all that g=
reat and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is wor=
th. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way t=
o go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide. &nbsp;But,=
 I know nothing about siding gates and have some research to do. &nbsp;And, f=
abricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap o=
n each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. &nbsp;Lots to f=
igure out, but fortunately I have time. &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll try to remember t=
o update the list when I am done.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbea=
rd &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-ne=
wline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size=
:small">Hi Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">My gate ope=
ning also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate with one of th=
e GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should b=
e about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://www.gatecrafters=
.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQ=
YASABEgIeJvD_BwE">https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=
=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE</a></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-size:small">These all run on battery with a charger t=
hat could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wan=
ted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but y=
ou also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in th=
e garage out to the gate.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">A=
 solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you d=
o not want to run cable or you do not want&nbsp;AC out at the gate. There re=
ally is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-size:small">I also am just using the remote to open and clo=
se the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run con=
trol wires.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I can send phot=
os if you would like.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">doug</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 P=
M Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Th=
e driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates.&nb=
sp; The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a s=
ection of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put th=
e controls in the garage.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, b=
ut our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into th=
e main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be to=
o big a deal.&nbsp; The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny ar=
ea for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than just running it to th=
e garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that.&nbsp; Weather-wise we are on E=
astern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially com=
pared to Michigan!<br>
<br>
As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all=
 done.&nbsp; We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and contra=
ctors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house i=
s a thru lot).&nbsp; After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and t=
he main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often=
 need access to the back.<br>
<br>
My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.&nbsp; It is hard to=
 make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back up b=
atteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000=
, which is a pretty wide range.&nbsp; Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=
=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.&nbsp; Doug on t=
his list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 f=
or dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.&nbsp; That said, having a t=
rusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in t=
he consideration set.<br>
<br>
I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly app=
reciated.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alf=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi Jim:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means y=
ou<br>
&gt; have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with added=
 risk<br>
&gt; of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensur=
e it<br>
&gt; closed.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly brok=
e the<br>
&gt; belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there=
 was<br>
&gt; never an snow...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would ge=
t<br>
&gt; hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might=
 want<br>
&gt; to consider solar power and/or backup.&nbsp; Do you need or want to int=
egrate a<br>
&gt; keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immedia=
tely<br>
&gt; to mind.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ----------------<br>
&gt; All the best,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Al Fuller<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Jim=
 Stone<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM<br>
&gt; To: Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate open=
ers?<br>
&gt; It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand<br>
&gt; recommendations would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; I will be installin=
g a dual<br>
&gt; gate opener for the driveway to my shop.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Jim<br>
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:24:11 -0500

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Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your =
time to take the photos, at least at this early stage.  Like I said, I =
have just started researching this.

The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to =
keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.  My property is a =
thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back.  Ours is the only house on =
the street that has the garage in the back.  I try to be sensitive to =
how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate =
there.   I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines =
and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade =
fencing was there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to =
redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view.

FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the =
spring.  That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but =
would probably be something to think about with a slider.

Jim

> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest =
people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep =
livestock in/out?
>=20
> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look =
at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel =
that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing =
don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a =
stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The =
Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=20
>=20
> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to =
go around & get them.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.  The area between the =
garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging =
gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to =
think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of =
room on one side for the gate to slide.  But, I know nothing about =
siding gates and have some research to do.  And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99=
 or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a =
lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones.  Lots to figure out, but =
fortunately I have time.   I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the =
list when I am done.
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>=20
>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> Hi Jim,
>>=20
>> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing =
gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=20
>>=20
>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be =
about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
>> =
https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIn=
bXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE
>>=20
>> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I =
ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there =
anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run =
the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out =
to the gate.
>>=20
>> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged =
if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. =
There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..
>>=20
>> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the =
cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.
>>=20
>> I can send photos if you would like.
>>=20
>> best,
>>=20
>> doug
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 =
gates.  The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on =
burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the =
wire and put the controls in the garage.  I=E2=80=99ll probably use a =
battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up =
generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing =
power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.  The back is pretty shaded and =
running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any =
easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip =
that.  Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate =
isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!
>>>=20
>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get =
this all done.  We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and =
contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway =
(our house is a thru lot).  After that, it is pretty much just my wife =
and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests =
won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back.
>>>=20
>>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.  It is hard =
to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus =
back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around =
$700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range.  Common, readily available =
brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, =
Topens.  Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really =
nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my =
needs.  That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is =
worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set.
>>>=20
>>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be =
greatly appreciated.
>>>=20
>>> Jim
>>>=20
>>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <[email-masked] =
>>> >=20
>>> > Hi Jim:
>>> >=20
>>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go?
>>> >=20
>>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street =
means you
>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with =
added risk
>>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to =
ensure it
>>> > closed.
>>> >=20
>>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly =
broke the
>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as =
there was
>>> > never an snow...
>>> >=20
>>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they =
would get
>>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...
>>> >=20
>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you =
might want
>>> > to consider solar power and/or backup.  Do you need or want to =
integrate a
>>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?
>>> >=20
>>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come =
immediately
>>> > to mind.
>>> >=20
>>> > ----------------
>>> > All the best,
>>> >=20
>>> > Al Fuller
>>> >=20
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
>>> > To: Shop Talk <[email-masked] =
>>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>>> >=20
>>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate =
openers?
>>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
>>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  I will be =
installing a dual
>>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>>> >=20
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Jim
>>> >=20
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>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Best,
>>=20
>> Doug
>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thank you for =
that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time to take the =
photos, at least at this early stage. &nbsp;Like I said, I have just =
started researching this.<div><br></div><div>The gate has three =
purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and =
to hide what is in my driveway. &nbsp;My property is a thru lot, with my =
shop/garage in the back. &nbsp;Ours is the only house on the street that =
has the garage in the back. &nbsp;I try to be sensitive to how it looks =
to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. &nbsp; I =
have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from =
time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was =
there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to =
make it a little better looking but still block the =
view.</div><div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, the driveway is currently =
unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. &nbsp;That doesn=E2=80=99t=
 necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to =
think about with a =
slider.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">Next question I have is what is the purpose =
of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through =
the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out?</span><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">There are a lot of sliding gates around here, =
I=E2=80=99ll take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered =
&amp; some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the =
drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate =
goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that =
the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily =
be on the gate.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">I can send you some photos if you like, it would =
take me a few days to go around &amp; get them.&nbsp;</div><div =
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14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Peace,</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Pat<br><br><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for =
Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, =
at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the =
advice, guys. &nbsp;The area between the garage and the gate is not all =
that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than =
it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might =
be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to =
slide. &nbsp;But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some =
research to do. &nbsp;And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I =
gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work =
than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. &nbsp;Lots to figure out, but fortunately I =
have time. &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I =
am done.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">Hi =
Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single =
swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">This opener is rated =
for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have =
room for a single swing gate:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;"><a =
href=3D"https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaI=
QobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE">https://www.gatecrafte=
rs.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq=
7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;">These all run on battery with a charger that =
could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I =
wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in =
there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from =
the charger in the garage out to the gate.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">A solar charger also =
would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to =
run cable or you do not want&nbsp;AC out at the gate. There really is no =
need for AC at the gate unless you want it..</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">I also am just using =
the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. =
There is no reason to run control wires.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;">I can send photos if you would =
like.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">doug</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The driveway =
opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates.&nbsp; The =
gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a =
section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and =
put the controls in the garage.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll probably use a =
battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up =
generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing =
power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.&nbsp; The back is pretty =
shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t =
be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll =
probably skip that.&nbsp; Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and =
our climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to =
Michigan!<br><br>As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend =
on when I get this all done.&nbsp; We=E2=80=99re just starting an =
addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need =
access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot).&nbsp; After that, =
it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house =
is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the =
back.<br><br>My main interest at this point is brand =
recommendations.&nbsp; It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it =
looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, =
etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty =
wide range.&nbsp; Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen =
appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.&nbsp; Doug on this =
list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 =
for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.&nbsp; That said, =
having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so =
that remains in the consideration set.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m still in the =
researching phase, so any input will be greatly =
appreciated.<br><br>Jim<br><br>&gt; On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Hi =
Jim:<br>&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration =
go?<br>&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means =
you<br>&gt; have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, =
with added risk<br>&gt; of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait =
on the street to ensure it<br>&gt; closed.<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; A condo complex in =
California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the<br>&gt; belts =
that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there =
was<br>&gt; never an snow...<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Places in Michigan =
had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get<br>&gt; hung up in =
the snow or ice in the winter...<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; If you are in a =
place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want<br>&gt; to =
consider solar power and/or backup.&nbsp; Do you need or want to =
integrate a<br>&gt; keypad into the controls? Same for an =
intercom?<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; I'm sure there are =
more considerations, but those are what come immediately<br>&gt; to =
mind.<br>&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
----------------<br>&gt; All the best,<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Al =
Fuller<br>&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
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Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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[Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates<br>&gt;<span =
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looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand<br>&gt; =
recommendations would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; I will be installing =
a dual<br>&gt; gate opener for the driveway to my shop.<br>&gt;<span =
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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
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Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider,
there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates:

   1. The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the
   gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to
   sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end an=
d
   large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking pl=
ate
   from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment.
   2. Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but
   if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-win=
ds,
   then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or
   closing.

You should not have either of these problems with a sliding gate.

Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing,
etc., particularly if the drive is not paved.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time=
 to take
> the photos, at least at this early stage.  Like I said, I have just start=
ed
> researching this.
>
> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee=
p
> my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.  My property is a thru lot=
,
> with my shop/garage in the back.  Ours is the only house on the street th=
at
> has the garage in the back.  I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my
> neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there.   I have a pretty
> ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time,
> random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we
> bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a little b=
etter
> looking but still block the view.
>
> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the
> spring.  That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but wou=
ld
> probably be something to think about with a slider.
>
> Jim
>
> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest
> people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep
> livestock in/out?
>
> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look at=
 how much
> they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that rides on a=
n
> angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t ove=
rlap on
> the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D =
shaped guide that
> the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be
> on the gate.
>
> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to go
> around & get them.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.  The area between the garage=
 and the
> gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be mo=
re
> trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a slidin=
g
> gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the
> gate to slide.  But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some
> research to do.  And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather y=
ou need
> plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=
=99 ones.
> Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time.   I=E2=80=99ll try to re=
member to
> update the list when I am done.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing gate
> with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.
>
> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be abou=
t
> $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
>
> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI=
nbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE
>
> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran
> 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there
> anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the
> low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the
> gate.
>
> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if
> you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There
> really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..
>
> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars,
> garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gat=
es.  The gates
>> are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of=
 pvc
>> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls=
 in
>> the garage.  I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power i=
s pretty
>> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manua=
l
>> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.  Th=
e back is
>> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=
=80=99t be
>> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably =
skip that.
>> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t=
 too
>> extreme, especially compared to Michigan!
>>
>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this
>> all done.  We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and cont=
ractors and
>> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a t=
hru
>> lot).  After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main
>> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often nee=
d access to
>> the back.
>>
>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.  It is hard to
>> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back u=
p
>> batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to
>> $2000, which is a pretty wide range.  Common, readily available brands I=
=E2=80=99ve
>> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.  Doug on this lis=
t
>> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for d=
ual
>> gates and might be overkill for my needs.  That said, having a trusted
>> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in the
>> consideration set.
>>
>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <[email-masked]> <
>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Jim:
>> >
>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means
>> you
>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with adde=
d
>> risk
>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to
>> ensure it
>> > closed.
>> >
>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly
>> broke the
>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as ther=
e
>> was
>> > never an snow...
>> >
>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would g=
et
>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you migh=
t
>> want
>> > to consider solar power and/or backup.  Do you need or want to
>> integrate a
>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come
>> immediately
>> > to mind.
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > All the best,
>> >
>> > Al Fuller
>> >
>> > From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim
>> Stone
>> > To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate
>> openers?
>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  I will be installing a
>> dual
> --

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Best,

Doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Alt=
hough I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, ther=
e are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates:</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><ol><li>The unsupported weight=
 across the length of them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is a=
t the opening and the gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a ro=
lling floor jack on the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to=
 &quot;realign&quot; the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every=
 few years) as it sags out of alignment.</li><li>Wind. If you have a bar or=
 tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gat=
e, and your locale is prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can c=
ause problems with the gate opening or closing.=C2=A0</li></ol><div>You sho=
uld not have either of these problems with a sliding gate.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, e=
tc.,=C2=A0particularly=C2=A0if the drive is not paved.</div></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, F=
eb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage.=
=C2=A0 Like I said, I have just started researching this.<div><br></div><di=
v>The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee=
p my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.=C2=A0 My property is a thr=
u lot, with my shop/garage in the back.=C2=A0 Ours is the only house on the=
 street that has the garage in the back.=C2=A0 I try to be sensitive to how=
 it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. =C2=
=A0 I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from=
 time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was th=
ere when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it =
a little better looking but still block the view.</div><div><div><br></div>=
<div>FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in th=
e spring.=C2=A0 That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, bu=
t would probably be something to think about with a slider.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, a=
t 9:47 AM, Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><span style=3D"=
font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:no=
rmal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:no=
ne;float:none;display:inline">Next question I have is what is the purpose o=
f the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c=
losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?</span><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decor=
ation:none">There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take=
 a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered &amp; some have a v=
-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall se=
eing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a sta=
tionary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is =
on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=C2=A0</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decor=
ation:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:nor=
mal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal=
;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I can send you some photos if you l=
ike, it would take me a few days to go around &amp; get them.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14p=
x;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing=
:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:no=
rmal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Peace,</div><div style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;=
font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">P=
at<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Human=
ity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36=
 AM, Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.=C2=A0 The area between the garage an=
d the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would b=
e more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a s=
liding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side fo=
r the gate to slide.=C2=A0 But, I know nothing about siding gates and have =
some research to do.=C2=A0 And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I =
gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than t=
wo 6.5=E2=80=99 ones.=C2=A0 Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time=
. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am done.<di=
v><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"=
>Hi Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">My gate opening =
also is just over 13&#39; and I am using a single swing gate with one of th=
e GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small">This opener is rated for up to 20&#39; gates and 1,000 lbs. It =
should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a href=3D"https://www.ga=
tecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9=
Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE" target=3D"_blank">https://www.gatecrafters.com=
/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYAS=
ABEgIeJvD_BwE</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:smal=
l"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">These a=
ll run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC i=
n buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and the=
n plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low voltage cabl=
e in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the gate.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">A solar charger also would be suffic=
ient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do =
not want=C2=A0AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gat=
e unless you want it..</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size=
:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I =
also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, gar=
age, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-size:small">I can send photos if you would like.</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small">doug</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">1789alpine@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 ga=
tes.=C2=A0 The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on bu=
rying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire =
and put the controls in the garage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll probably use a batte=
ry backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator =
wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=
=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.=C2=A0 The back is pretty shaded and running w=
ire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than jus=
t running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that.=C2=A0 Weath=
er-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t too ext=
reme, especially compared to Michigan!<br><br>As for a keypad, whether or n=
ot I add one will depend on when I get this all done.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re j=
ust starting an addition to our house and contractors and construction vehi=
cles need access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot).=C2=A0 Afte=
r that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the =
house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the bac=
k.<br><br>My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.=C2=A0 It=
 is hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (min=
us back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around =
$700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range.=C2=A0 Common, readily availabl=
e brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens=
.=C2=A0 Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, b=
ut is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.=C2=A0 =
That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lo=
t, so that remains in the consideration set.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m still in th=
e researching phase, so any input will be greatly appreciated.<br><br>Jim<b=
r><br>&gt; On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; Hi Jim:<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</spa=
n><br>&gt; Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go=
?<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; My step-mother has a swing gate, but t=
he clearance to the street means you<br>&gt; have to [1] when entering wait=
 on the street for it to open, with added risk<br>&gt; of oncoming traffic,=
 and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to ensure it<br>&gt; closed.<br>=
&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; A condo complex in California had a lift-up=
 gate, which constantly broke the<br>&gt; belts that held up the gate. We r=
eally didn&#39;t need a lit gate, as there was<br>&gt; never an snow...<br>=
&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; Places in Michigan had gates that swung or =
retracted, but they would get<br>&gt; hung up in the snow or ice in the win=
ter...<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; If you are in a place where the e=
lectric power is unreliable, you might want<br>&gt; to consider solar power=
 and/or backup.=C2=A0 Do you need or want to integrate a<br>&gt; keypad int=
o the controls? Same for an intercom?<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; I&=
#39;m sure there are more considerations, but those are what come immediate=
ly<br>&gt; to mind.<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; ----------------<br>=
&gt; All the best,<br>&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; Al Fuller<br>&gt;<spa=
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=C2=A0</span><br>&gt; Does anyone have any experience installing automatic =
driveway gate openers?<br>&gt; It looks pretty straight-forward, but any ad=
vice and/or brand<br>&gt; recommendations would be greatly appreciated.=C2=
=A0 I will be installing a dual<br>&gt; gate opener for the driveway to my =
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> Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it =
again just in case:

Thanks, Doug.  I did get your message and had written something about it =
in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake.  There is only =
about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single =
swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of the garage, =
which is where we generally park our daily drivers.

Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I =
make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80=
=9D between the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the =
house.  Wind is definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path =
of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago, although the serious damage was =
about 60+ miles west of us.  I am assuming the gaps between the slats =
(basically 6=E2=80=9D decking boards) will be enough.  I guess that is =
just one more reason to seriously consider the slider.

Jim

> On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Although I have a swinging gate and do not really have room for a =
slider, there are two structural issues that I see with swinging gates:
> The unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, =
the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag =
over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and =
large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking =
plate from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of alignment.
> Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not a problem, but if =
you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-winds, =
then the winds potentially can cause problems with the gate opening or =
closing.=20
> Sliders though are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc., =
particularly if the drive is not paved.
>=20
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in =
the spring.  That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, =
but would probably be something to think about with a slider.
>>=20
>> Jim
>>=20
>>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a =
look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a =
v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I =
recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but =
there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate =
goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the =
gate.=20
>>>=20
>>> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days =
to go around & get them.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should =
>>>>=20
>>>> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. =
I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles =
there anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could =
run the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage =
out to the gate.
>>>>=20
>>>> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery =
charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the =
gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..
>>>>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99=
>>>>>=20
>>>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I =
get this all done.  We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house =
and contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back =
driveway (our house is a thru lot).  After that, it is pretty much just =
my wife and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so =
guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations.  It is =
hard to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system =
(minus back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from =
around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range.  Common, readily =
available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost =
Controls, Topens.  Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks =
really nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for =
my needs.  That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation =
is worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set.
greatly appreciated.
>>>>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration =
go?
means you
>>>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, =
with added risk
>>>>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street =
to ensure it
>>>>> > closed.
>>>>> >=20
>>>>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which =
constantly broke the
>>>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, =
as there was
would get
>>>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, =
you might want
integrate a
immediately
>>>>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway =
gate openers?
installing a dual
> Doug

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type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font =
color=3D"#0433ff">Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so =
I am sending it again just in =
case:</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, =
Doug. &nbsp;I did get your message and had written something about it in =
my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake. &nbsp;There is only =
about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single =
swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of the garage, =
which is where we generally park our daily =
drivers.</div><div><br></div><div>Our intention is to have a metal gate =
frame - steel square tube if I make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - =
with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80=9D between the slats to mimic a =
design feature in the front of the house. &nbsp;Wind is definitely a =
concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy a few years =
ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us. &nbsp;I =
am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6=E2=80=9D decking =
boards) will be enough. &nbsp;I guess that is just one more reason to =
seriously consider the =
slider.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Although I have a =
swinging gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two =
structural issues that I see with swinging gates:</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><ol><li>The =
unsupported weight across the length of them. The longer the gate, the =
more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend to sag over =
time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end and large =
c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking plate =
from time to time (every few years) as it sags out of =
alignment.</li><li>Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it is not =
a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is =
prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with =
the gate opening or closing.&nbsp;</li></ol><div>You should not have =
either of these problems with a sliding =
gate.</div><div><br></div><div>Sliders though are more prone to debris =
in the track, derailing, etc.,&nbsp;particularly&nbsp;if the drive is =
not paved.</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 AM Jim =
Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you for that offer, but I =
don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time to take the photos, at least =
at this early stage.&nbsp; Like I said, I have just started researching =
this.<div><br></div><div>The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer =
out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my =
driveway.&nbsp; My property is a thru lot, with my shop/garage in the =
back.&nbsp; Ours is the only house on the street that has the garage in =
the back.&nbsp; I try to be sensitive to how it looks to my neighbors, =
hence the current stockade fence/gate there. &nbsp; I have a pretty =
ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to time, =
random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there when we =
bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a little =
better looking but still block the =
view.</div><div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, the driveway is currently =
unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring.&nbsp; That doesn=E2=80=99t=
 necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to =
think about with a =
slider.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br><div><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Next question I have is what =
is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from =
driving through the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out?</span><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll=
 take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered &amp; some =
have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones =
I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but =
there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate =
goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the =
gate.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me =
a few days to go around &amp; get them.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">Peace,</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none">Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We =
support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.&nbsp; The area =
between the garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a =
single swinging gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, =
I am starting to think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I =
have plenty of room on one side for the gate to slide.&nbsp; But, I know =
nothing about siding gates and have some research to do.&nbsp; And, =
fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather you need plenty of =
overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 =
ones.&nbsp; Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time. &nbsp; =
I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am =
done.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hi =
Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am =
using a single swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate =
openers.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and =
1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing =
gate:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><a =
href=3D"https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaI=
QobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gcl=
id=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE</a></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">These all run on =
battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in =
buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and =
then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run the low =
voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to the =
gate.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">A solar charger also would be sufficient to =
keep the battery charged if you do not want to run cable or you do not =
want&nbsp;AC out at the gate. There really is no need for AC at the gate =
unless you want it..</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">I also am just using the remote to open and =
close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to =
run control wires.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">I can send photos if you would like.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">doug</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb =
13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The driveway opening is just over =
13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates.&nbsp; The gates are about =
40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section of pvc =
conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the controls =
in the garage.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our =
power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the =
main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be =
too big a deal.&nbsp; The back is pretty shaded and running wire to a =
sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any easier than just =
running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip that.&nbsp; =
Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99t =
too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!<br><br>As for a keypad, =
whether or not I add one will depend on when I get this all done.&nbsp; =
We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and contractors and =
construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a =
thru lot).&nbsp; After that, it is pretty much just my wife and me and =
the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t =
often need access to the back.<br><br>My main interest at this point is =
brand recommendations.&nbsp; It is hard to make exact comparisons, but =
it looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, =
etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty =
wide range.&nbsp; Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen =
appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.&nbsp; Doug on this =
list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 =
for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs.&nbsp; That said, =
having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so =
that remains in the consideration set.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m still in the =
researching phase, so any input will be greatly =
appreciated.<br><br>Jim<br><br>&gt; On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Hi =
Jim:<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Do you have any particular needs =
as far as gate configuration go?<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; My =
step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means =
you<br>&gt; have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, =
with added risk<br>&gt; of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait =
on the street to ensure it<br>&gt; =
closed.<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; A condo complex in California =
had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the<br>&gt; belts that held =
up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there was<br>&gt; =
never an snow...<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Places in Michigan =
had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get<br>&gt; hung up in =
the snow or ice in the winter...<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; If =
you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you might =
want<br>&gt; to consider solar power and/or backup.&nbsp; Do you need or =
want to integrate a<br>&gt; keypad into the controls? Same for an =
intercom?<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; I'm sure there are more =
considerations, but those are what come immediately<br>&gt; to =
mind.<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; ----------------<br>&gt; All =
the best,<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Al =
Fuller<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<br>&gt; From: Shop-talk &lt;<a =
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Jim Stone<br>&gt; Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM<br>&gt; To: =
Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: =
[Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate =
openers?<br>&gt; It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or =
brand<br>&gt; recommendations would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; I will =
be installing a dual<br>&gt; gate opener for the driveway to my =
shop.<br>&gt;<span>&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt; Jim<br>&gt; =
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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
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Hi Jim,

Yes, I think in general, the sliding gates probably are better if you have
the requisite flat, lateral space for them to slide out of the way.

They might be a little slower operating, but there inherently is just much
less load on the gate itself and on the hinges, and they are much less
vulnerable to wind interference for gates that have 30% or more opaque
surface (e.g., for privacy).

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:07 AM Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Apparently this message got bounced for some reason so I am sending it
> again just in case:
>
>
> Thanks, Doug.  I did get your message and had written something about it
> in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mistake.  There is only abo=
ut
> 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the gate and a single swinging g=
ate would
> create challenges parking in front of the garage, which is where we
> generally park our daily drivers.
>
> Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square tube if I make
> it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about 3/4=E2=80=9D=
 between
> the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of the house.  Wind is
> definitely a concern where we are; we were in the path of Hurricane Sandy=
 a
> few years ago, although the serious damage was about 60+ miles west of us=
.
> I am assuming the gaps between the slats (basically 6=E2=80=9D decking bo=
ards) will
> be enough.  I guess that is just one more reason to seriously consider th=
e
> slider.
>
> Jim
>
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:07 AM, old dirtbeard <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>    gate, the more weight there is at the opening and the gates will tend =
to
>    sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on the opening end =
and
>    large c-clamps at the hinged end to "realign" the gate latch striking =
plate
>    if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale is prone to high-w=
inds,
>> Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your tim=
e to take
>> the photos, at least at this early stage.  Like I said, I have just star=
ted
>> researching this.
>>
>> The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to
>> keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.  My property is a th=
ru
>> lot, with my shop/garage in the back.  Ours is the only house on the str=
eet
>> that has the garage in the back.  I try to be sensitive to how it looks =
to
>> my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there.   I have a
>> pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from time to
>> time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was there wh=
en
>> we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it a litt=
le better
>> spring.  That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but wo=
uld
>> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look a=
t how
>> much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel that ride=
s
>> on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=
=99t overlap
>> on the side the gate goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=
=9D shaped guide
>> that the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as eas=
ily
>> be on the gate.
>>
>> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to g=
o
>> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.  The area between the garag=
e and the
>> gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would be m=
ore
>> trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a slidi=
ng
>> gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for th=
e
>> research to do.  And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I gather =
you need
=99 ones.
>> Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time.   I=E2=80=99ll try to r=
emember to
>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be
>> https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChM=
InbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE
>> anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run th=
e
>> low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out to th=
e
>> you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. Ther=
e
>> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the cars=
,
>>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 ga=
tes.  The gates
>>> are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a section o=
f pvc
>>> conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and put the control=
s in
>>> the garage.  I=E2=80=99ll probably use a battery backup, but our power =
is pretty
>>> reliable and I have a back-up generator wired into the main panel (manu=
al
>>> transfer switch) so losing power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal.  T=
he back is
>>> pretty shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=
=E2=80=99t be
>>> any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably=
 skip that.
>>> Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate isn=E2=80=99=
t too
>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get thi=
s
>>> all done.  We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and con=
tractors and
>>> construction vehicles need access to the back driveway (our house is a =
thru
>>> entrance to the house is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often ne=
ed access to
>>> make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus back =
up
>>> $2000, which is a pretty wide range.  Common, readily available brands =
I=E2=80=99ve
>>> seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens.  Doug on this li=
st
>>> recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 for =
dual
>>> satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so that remains in th=
e
>>> consideration set.
>>>
>>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be greatl=
y
>>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street mean=
s
>>> you
>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with
>>> added risk
>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as
>>> there was
>>> > never an snow...
>>> >
>>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they would
>>> get
>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you
>>> might want

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hi =
Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Yes, I think in gene=
ral, the sliding gates probably are better if you have the requisite flat, =
lateral space for them=C2=A0to slide out of the way.=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-size:small">They might be a little slower operating,=
 but there inherently is just much less load on the gate itself and on the =
hinges, and they are much less vulnerable to wind interference for gates th=
at have 30% or more opaque surface (e.g., for privacy).</div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 16=
, 2023 at 9:07 AM Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">178=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><=
font color=3D"#0433ff">Apparently this message got bounced for some reason =
so I am sending it again just in case:</font></div></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Doug.=C2=A0 I did get your message and had wri=
tten something about it in my last reply, but must have deleted it by mista=
ke.=C2=A0 There is only about 30=E2=80=99 between the garage doors and the =
gate and a single swinging gate would create challenges parking in front of=
 the garage, which is where we generally park our daily drivers.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Our intention is to have a metal gate frame - steel square t=
ube if I make it myself, aluminum if I buy it - with wood slats with about =
3/4=E2=80=9D between the slats to mimic a design feature in the front of th=
e house.=C2=A0 Wind is definitely a concern where we are; we were in the pa=
th of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago, although the serious damage was abou=
t 60+ miles west of us.=C2=A0 I am assuming the gaps between the slats (bas=
ically 6=E2=80=9D decking boards) will be enough.=C2=A0 I guess that is jus=
t one more reason to seriously consider the slider.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Jim</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, at 11:0=
7 AM, old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Although I have a swing=
ing gate and do not really have room for a slider, there are two structural=
 issues that I see with swinging gates:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:small"><ol><li>The unsupported weight across the length o=
f them. The longer the gate, the more weight there is at the opening and th=
e gates will tend to sag over time. I actually use a rolling floor jack on =
the opening end and large c-clamps at the hinged end to &quot;realign&quot;=
 the gate latch striking plate from time to time (every few years) as it sa=
gs out of alignment.</li><li>Wind. If you have a bar or tube type gate, it =
is not a problem, but if you want to have an opaque gate, and your locale i=
s prone to high-winds, then the winds potentially can cause problems with t=
he gate opening or closing.=C2=A0</li></ol><div>You should not have either =
of these problems with a sliding gate.</div><div><br></div><div>Sliders tho=
ugh are more prone to debris in the track, derailing, etc.,=C2=A0particular=
ly=C2=A0if the drive is not paved.</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:53 =
AM Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t thin=
k it is worth your time to take the photos, at least at this early stage.=
=C2=A0 Like I said, I have just started researching this.<div><br></div><di=
v>The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to kee=
p my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway.=C2=A0 My property is a thr=
u lot, with my shop/garage in the back.=C2=A0 Ours is the only house on the=
 street that has the garage in the back.=C2=A0 I try to be sensitive to how=
 it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. =C2=
=A0 I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from=
 time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was th=
ere when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to make it =
a little better looking but still block the view.</div><div><div><br></div>=
<div>FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in th=
e spring.=C2=A0 That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, bu=
t would probably be something to think about with a slider.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, a=
t 9:47 AM, Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><span style=3D"=
font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:no=
rmal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:no=
ne;float:none;display:inline">Next question I have is what is the purpose o=
f the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through the c=
losed gate? Keep livestock in/out?</span><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decor=
ation:none">There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take=
 a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered &amp; some have a v=
-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall se=
eing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a sta=
tionary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The Y is =
on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=C2=A0</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decor=
ation:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:nor=
mal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal=
;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I can send you some photos if you l=
ike, it would take me a few days to go around &amp; get them.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-d=
ecoration:none"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14p=
x;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing=
:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:no=
rmal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Peace,</div><div style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;=
font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text=
-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">P=
at<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Human=
ity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36=
 AM, Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys.=C2=A0 The area between the garage an=
d the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging gate would b=
e more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a s=
liding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side fo=
r the gate to slide.=C2=A0 But, I know nothing about siding gates and have =
some research to do.=C2=A0 And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I =
gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work than t=
wo 6.5=E2=80=99 ones.=C2=A0 Lots to figure out, but fortunately I have time=
. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I am done.<di=
v><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Best,<div><br><div>Doug</div></div></div></div>
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