Subject: [Shop-talk] Dead battery question

From: "John T. Blair" <[email-masked]> GwZMbGvc1HKhn+i1RfJlVatwEWddV2BEp7rLKmoobpjTrQ8LzJVwVCBNU7xItpUFVZ9MRDJ8ZGJ3e/vH+2vcN+lay8zVnj5wyfE=
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2023 16:34:59 -0500

Hey gang,

Got a simiple question for your all.  But before I start, I want to thank the
manufacturers of all the new cars and the new fangled crap they put 
on them, NOT!

I own a '06 Scion xB and a '12 Scion xB, but I'm pretty sure this applies to
other brands also.

1. Only the drivers door can be opened with a key

2. Can't open the rear hatch/trunk as no key latch.

3. A solenoid to "Lock" the gearshift in Park

So now you have a dead battery.  Wife and I went out yesterday morning to
get so donuts to ring in the Ney Year with (an long standing tradition in my
family.  Got the donuts and went to go home.  Put the key in the ignition
and nothing!  Great a dead battery.

I have a jump box, and it's in the back behind the rear seat.  Can't open the
hatch as it's electrical.  So I lay the back seat down and slide in 
and get the
jump box.  It's deader than a door nail also.  So it's no help.

Not to mention I can't get the car out of part to be able to push the car out
of the parking space due to the electrical solenoid that needs to be retracted
to allow me to move the gear shift lever.

Called my sons (as they were home for Xmas) and they came to get us with
jumper cables.  We jump the car and start for home.  Get home and go to
take the battery out of my '06 and up in the wife's '12 so we can drive her
car around.

Again I want to thank the manufacture for saving me $1 by making the
wiring harness fit so perfectly and for changing the way and type of battery
used.  We had to turn the battery around because one of the cars the 
positive post ends up closest to the fender, on the other car the negative
post is closest to the fender.  There is NOT enough give to move the wiring
harness the 2" to make the connection to the other battery.

I am thinking of taking a "aux" cigarette plug and connecting a 9V battery
and to pluging that into the "aux" power outlet it to reverse feed 
the car's electrical system?  I don't have an schmetics of the car's 
electrical system.  I
was hoping that a 9V battery would have enough power to allow you to 
nlock the doors, and possibly get the car out of park.

Has anyone tried this.  I thought I saw something like this 
advertised some years back.

John

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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 17:03:39 -0500

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Some cars have a (possibly hidden?) button to press that allows you to
shift a dead car out of park. Don't know if the Scion has that (our '17
RAV4 does).

EjR

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Som=
e cars have a (possibly hidden?) button to press that allows you to shift a=
 dead car out of park. Don&#39;t know if the Scion has that (our &#39;17 RA=
V4 does).=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"=
><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">EjR=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 4:37 PM John T. Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jb=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hey gang,<br>
<br>
Got a simiple question for your all.=C2=A0 But before I start, I want to th=
ank the<br>
manufacturers of all the new cars and the new fangled crap they put <br>
on them, NOT!<br>
<br>
I own a &#39;06 Scion xB and a &#39;12 Scion xB, but I&#39;m pretty sure th=
is applies to<br>
other brands also.<br>
<br>
1. Only the drivers door can be opened with a key<br>
<br>
2. Can&#39;t open the rear hatch/trunk as no key latch.<br>
<br>
3. A solenoid to &quot;Lock&quot; the gearshift in Park<br>
<br>
So now you have a dead battery.=C2=A0 Wife and I went out yesterday morning=
 to<br>
get so donuts to ring in the Ney Year with (an long standing tradition in m=
y<br>
family.=C2=A0 Got the donuts and went to go home.=C2=A0 Put the key in the =
ignition<br>
and nothing!=C2=A0 Great a dead battery.<br>
<br>
I have a jump box, and it&#39;s in the back behind the rear seat.=C2=A0 Can=
&#39;t open the<br>
hatch as it&#39;s electrical.=C2=A0 So I lay the back seat down and slide i=
n <br>
and get the<br>
jump box.=C2=A0 It&#39;s deader than a door nail also.=C2=A0 So it&#39;s no=
 help.<br>
<br>
Not to mention I can&#39;t get the car out of part to be able to push the c=
ar out<br>
of the parking space due to the electrical solenoid that needs to be retrac=
ted<br>
to allow me to move the gear shift lever.<br>
<br>
Called my sons (as they were home for Xmas) and they came to get us with<br=
jumper cables.=C2=A0 We jump the car and start for home.=C2=A0 Get home and=
 go to<br>
take the battery out of my &#39;06 and up in the wife&#39;s &#39;12 so we c=
an drive her<br>
car around.<br>
<br>
Again I want to thank the manufacture for saving me $1 by making the<br>
wiring harness fit so perfectly and for changing the way and type of batter=
y<br>
used.=C2=A0 We had to turn the battery around because one of the cars the <=
br>
positive post ends up closest to the fender, on the other car the negative<=
br>
post is closest to the fender.=C2=A0 There is NOT enough give to move the w=
iring<br>
harness the 2&quot; to make the connection to the other battery.<br>
<br>
I am thinking of taking a &quot;aux&quot; cigarette plug and connecting a 9=
V battery<br>
and to pluging that into the &quot;aux&quot; power outlet it to reverse fee=
d <br>
the car&#39;s electrical system?=C2=A0 I don&#39;t have an schmetics of the=
 car&#39;s <br>
electrical system.=C2=A0 I<br>
was hoping that a 9V battery would have enough power to allow you to <br>
nlock the doors, and possibly get the car out of park.<br>
<br>
Has anyone tried this.=C2=A0 I thought I saw something like this <br>
advertised some years back.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
Va. Beach, Va=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-8229<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A048 TR1800=C2=A0 =C2=A0 48 #4 Midge=
t=C2=A0 =C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 77 Spitfire=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 65 Rambler Classic<br>
<br>
Morgan:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan/</a><br>
Bricklin:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.bricklin.org" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org</a><br>
<br>
If you can read this=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Thank=
 a teacher!<br>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br>
<br>
=C2=A0From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, &quot;from many, one.&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In God We Trust<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 choosing,=C2=
=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0onesel=
f; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 restriction<br>
<br>
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<br>
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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 07:56:20 -0600

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I had to put the jump box back on the battery cables to roll up the
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I just have to remember to bring it in from the car every 3 mo or so and
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[email-masked]</div>
<div>Va. Beach,
Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229</div>
<br>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48
TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4
Series V (B1106)</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
77 Spitfire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III</div>
<div>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
65 Rambler Classic</div>
<br>
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<div>Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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http://www.bricklin.org</a></div>
<br>
<div>If you can read
this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=

- Thank a teacher!</div>
<div>If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!</div>
<br>
<div> =46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many,
one."</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp;
choosing,&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; </div>
<div>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp; or&nbsp;
restriction&nbsp; </div>
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