Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Restoring 100 year old oak dining room chairs

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 06:09:50 -0600

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Tom, my initial response was going to be Titebond II or III but decided to s=
ee if there was anything newer since it=E2=80=99s been about 15 years since I=
 repaired chairs. Turns out there are a fair number of folks recommending Go=
rilla Glue but I haven=E2=80=99t tried it for this application. I found an a=
rticle that seems like a good start for research, https://woodhappen.com/fur=
niture-gluing-how-to/

Please let me know what you use, I=E2=80=99m not far from needing some mysel=
f.=20

High five to the Boss!

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jan 19, 2023, at 10:37 PM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Skip to the bottom for the question to avoid my ramble.....

Sorry for the long arse chat here but this is a perfect basement shop projec=
t now that winter might actually be here in southern WI.=20

We have a dining room set that I bought over 20 years ago; six chairs, table=
 with five leaves and a matching buffet. It is a beautiful set that I bought=
 the boss after finishing her undergrad. Best part is it matches perfectly t=
he now 120 year old craftsman we bought when she finished her masters 15 yea=
rs ago. Sorry, I digress being proud of the boss.=20

I semi restored (reglued to tighten up) three of the chairs shortly after bu=
ying the set. Two totally need to be redone and the third was getting there.=
=20

When I did these three back then I got them as far apart as needed without p=
ulling apart joints that were still tight, cleaned out old glue, replaced pi=
ns (dowels?) as necessary and used big proper clamps to keep them together w=
hilst the glue cured. I used what I thought was a high-quality wood glue on s=
urfaces were clean of old glue and somewhat roughed up to grab the glue bett=
er. I even cut groves in the new pins/dowels to have more glue surface.

So, now all six need to be done. I will be able to take each one all the way=
 apart, they are all that loose. =20

Question: What glue should I use assuming that I will replace pins/dowels as=
 needed.=20

again, sorry for the yadda yadda blah blah
cheers
tims

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Tom, my initial response was going to be Ti=
tebond II or III but decided to see if there was anything newer since it=E2=80=
=99s been about 15 years since I repaired chairs. Turns out there are a fair=
 number of folks recommending Gorilla Glue but I haven=E2=80=99t tried it fo=
r this application. I found an article that seems like a good start for rese=
arch,&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://woodhappen.com/furniture-gluing-how-to/">https=
://woodhappen.com/furniture-gluing-how-to/</a><div><br></div><div>Please let=
 me know what you use, I=E2=80=99m not far from needing some myself.&nbsp;</=
div><div><br></div><div>High five to the Boss!</div><div><br></div><div>Peac=
e,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habi=
tat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 19, 2=
023, at 10:37 PM, Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
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Sorry for the long arse chat here but this is a perfect basement shop projec=
t now that winter might actually be here in southern WI.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"elementToProof"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica=
, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(25=
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, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(25=
5, 255, 255);">We have a dining room set that I bought over 20 years ago; si=
x chairs, table with five leaves
 and a matching buffet. It is a beautiful set that I bought the boss after f=
inishing her undergrad. Best part is it matches perfectly the now 120 year o=
ld craftsman we bought when she finished her masters 15 years ago. Sorry, I d=
igress being proud of the boss.&nbsp;</span></div>
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I semi restored (reglued to tighten up) three of the chairs shortly after bu=
ying the set. Two totally need to be redone and the third was getting there.=
&nbsp;</div>
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When I did these three back then I got them as far apart as needed without p=
ulling apart joints that were still tight, cleaned out old glue, replaced pi=
ns (dowels?) as necessary and used big proper clamps to keep them together w=
hilst the glue cured. I used
 what I thought was a high-quality wood glue on surfaces were clean of old g=
lue and somewhat roughed up to grab the glue better. I even cut groves in th=
e new pins/dowels to have more glue surface.</div>
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So, now all six need to be done. I will be able to take each one all the way=
 apart, they are all that loose.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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Question: What glue should I use assuming that I will replace pins/dowels as=
 needed.&nbsp;</div>
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again, sorry for the yadda yadda blah blah</div>
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cheers</div>
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tims</div>
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:23:40 -0500

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Hopefully you get more experienced responses but from my little =
knowledge of woodworking, you may have opened up the joints too much by =
that roughing up and groove cutting. The glue won't be strong enough to =
fill gaps, it only bonds surfaces. So the joints need to be tight to =
start with.=20

Titebond or Gorilla wood glue will be more than strong enough.=20
=20
jim

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Tim . <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> Sorry for the long arse chat here but this is a perfect basement shop =
project now that winter might actually be here in southern WI.=20
>=20
> We have a dining room set that I bought over 20 years ago; six chairs, =
table with five leaves and a matching buffet. It is a beautiful set that =
I bought the boss after finishing her undergrad. Best part is it matches =
perfectly the now 120 year old craftsman we bought when she finished her =
masters 15 years ago. Sorry, I digress being proud of the boss.=20
>=20
> I semi restored (reglued to tighten up) three of the chairs shortly =
after buying the set. Two totally need to be redone and the third was =
getting there.=20
>=20
> When I did these three back then I got them as far apart as needed =
without pulling apart joints that were still tight, cleaned out old =
glue, replaced pins (dowels?) as necessary and used big proper clamps to =
keep them together whilst the glue cured. I used what I thought was a =
high-quality wood glue on surfaces were clean of old glue and somewhat =
roughed up to grab the glue better. I even cut groves in the new =
pins/dowels to have more glue surface.
>=20
> So, now all six need to be done. I will be able to take each one all =
the way apart, they are all that loose. =20
>=20
> Question: What glue should I use assuming that I will replace =
pins/dowels as needed.=20
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charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Hopefully you get more experienced responses but from my =
little knowledge of woodworking, you may have opened up the joints too =
much by that roughing up and groove cutting. The glue won't be strong =
enough to fill gaps, it only bonds surfaces. So the joints need to be =
tight to start with.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Titebond or Gorilla wood glue will be more than strong =
enough.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">jim<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 19, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
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normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
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text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Skip to the =
bottom for the question to avoid my ramble.....</div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sorry for the long arse chat here =
but this is a perfect basement shop project now that winter might =
actually be here in southern WI.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">We have a dining room =
set that I bought over 20 years ago; six chairs, table with five leaves =
and a matching buffet. It is a beautiful set that I bought the boss =
after finishing her undergrad. Best part is it matches perfectly the now =
120 year old craftsman we bought when she finished her masters 15 years =
ago. Sorry, I digress being proud of the boss.&nbsp;</span></div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I semi restored =
(reglued to tighten up) three of the chairs shortly after buying the =
set. Two totally need to be redone and the third was getting =
there.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">When I did these =
three back then I got them as far apart as needed without pulling apart =
joints that were still tight, cleaned out old glue, replaced pins =
(dowels?) as necessary and used big proper clamps to keep them together =
whilst the glue cured. I used what I thought was a high-quality wood =
glue on surfaces were clean of old glue and somewhat roughed up to grab =
the glue better. I even cut groves in the new pins/dowels to have more =
glue surface.</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So, now all six =
need to be done. I will be able to take each one all the way apart, they =
are all that loose.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Question: What glue should I use =
assuming that I will replace pins/dowels as needed.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">again, sorry for the yadda yadda =
blah blah</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">cheers</div><div =
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text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:19:29 -0600

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> On Jan 19, 2023, at 22:33, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Question: What glue should I use assuming that I will replace pins/dowels a=
s needed.=20
> again, sorry for the yadda yadda blah blah

If they=E2=80=99re 100 years old, they were glued with hide glue.  Modern wo=
od glues are pva based. Pva glues do not stick to glue. Not hide, nor to pva=
 glue. You need to scrape out as much glue as possible, and then reglue. Use=
 hide glue , either hot, or Franklin=E2=80=99s (titebond) room temperature s=
tuff. If you=E2=80=99re using the room temperature stuff, buy it somewhere t=
hat sells a lot of  it, it=E2=80=99s got a short shelf life.=20

On gorilla glue: the original gorilla glue is polyurethane. It expands as it=
 cures, that makes it work well for joints with gaps. It=E2=80=99s got no us=
e in non-disposable furniture, joints made with it are impossible to take ap=
art for repair. Hide glue will come apart with heat and maybe moisture.  It a=
lso sticks to itself, so you don=E2=80=99t get glue failures.  That=E2=80=99=
s why it is still used for instrument building, and for top quality hand bui=
lt furniture.=20

Gorilla make a pva wood glue, which is supposed to be good.  I=E2=80=99ve ne=
ver used it, the various titebond products work well, I can get the ones I w=
ant easily.=20

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></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 19, 2023, at 22=
:33, Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
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Question: What glue should I use assuming that I will replace pins/dowels as=
 needed.&nbsp;</div>
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tims</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If they=E2=80=99re 100 years old=
, they were glued with hide glue. &nbsp;Modern wood glues are pva based. Pva=
 glues do not stick to glue. Not hide, nor to pva glue. You need to scrape o=
ut as much glue as possible, and then reglue. Use hide glue , either hot, or=
 Franklin=E2=80=99s (titebond) room temperature stuff. If you=E2=80=99re usi=
ng the room temperature stuff, buy it somewhere that sells a lot of &nbsp;it=
, it=E2=80=99s got a short shelf life.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>On gorilla g=
lue: the original gorilla glue is polyurethane. It expands as it cures, that=
 makes it work well for joints with gaps. It=E2=80=99s got no use in non-dis=
posable furniture, joints made with it are impossible to take apart for repa=
ir. Hide glue will come apart with heat and maybe moisture. &nbsp;It also st=
icks to itself, so you don=E2=80=99t get glue failures. &nbsp;That=E2=80=99s=
 why it is still used for instrument building, and for top quality hand buil=
t furniture.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Gorilla make a pva wood glue, wh=
ich is supposed to be good. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve never used it, the various ti=
tebond products work well, I can get the ones I want easily.&nbsp;<br><div><=
br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>=

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