Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead battery question

From: Doug Braun <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 16:58:17 -0500

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> First of all, if you have a lead-acid jump box, throw it away and get a
> new lithium one. They work great and hold their charge for a long time.

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 17:14:06 -0500

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Which one do you have?  I've looked at a few and it seems like all of 
them have ridiculously undersized wires.

J

On 1/1/23 16:58, Doug Braun wrote:
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>     First of all, if you have a lead-acid jump box, throw it away and
>     get a new lithium one. They work great and hold their charge for a
>     long time.
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From: Doug Braun <[email-masked]>
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It's from Amazon, a "GooLoo" branded model.  I bought it without doing a
lot of research, but over a couple of years
it has saved me and other drivers a bunch of times.  The wires are sort of
thin, but they are only 8 inches long, so it doesn't really matter.

Doug

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> Which one do you have?  I've looked at a few and it seems like all of them
> have ridiculously undersized wires.
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At 05:14 PM 1/1/2023, you wrote:

 >Which one do you have?  I've looked at a few and it seems like all 
of them have
 >ridiculously undersized wires.

Jimmie,

I'm assuming you mean the jump box.  I got it at Costco a couple of years ago.
It's A Horizon Brands Company - TypeS (typesauto.com)

After we got home yesterday I charged it.  It took many hours.  Today 
I went out
and tried it, it started the car right up.  Our 2 boys were here for 
the hoildays and
wanted to clean their cars so I had to start it a 2nd time so we 
could move the cars around a little in the driveway.  Then after we 
were finished cleaning the cars,
I had to put the jump box back on the battery cables to roll up the 
windows, and
it's still showing a full charge.  I was very supprised!

I just have to remember to bring it in from the car every 3 mo or so 
and top off
the charge.

John

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<font size=3>At 05:14 PM 1/1/2023, you wrote:<br><br>
&gt;Which one do you have?&nbsp; I've looked at a few and it seems like
all of them have <br>
&gt;ridiculously undersized wires.<br><br>
Jimmie,<br><br>
I'm assuming you mean the jump box.&nbsp; I got it at Costco a couple of
years ago.<br>
It's A Horizon Brands Company - TypeS (typesauto.com)<br><br>
After we got home yesterday I charged it.&nbsp; It took many hours.&nbsp;
Today I went out<br>
and tried it, it started the car right up.&nbsp; Our 2 boys were here for
the hoildays and <br>
wanted to clean their cars so I had to start it a 2nd time so we could
move the cars around a little in the driveway.&nbsp; Then after we were
finished cleaning the cars,<br>
I had to put the jump box back on the battery cables to roll up the
windows, and <br>
it's still showing a full charge.&nbsp; I was very supprised!<br><br>
I just have to remember to bring it in from the car every 3 mo or so and
top off <br>
the charge.<br><br>
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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
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I have four different jump boxes made by NOCO, one in each vehicle.  The
smallest of which (1000 amp model) easily starts my 5.7 V8.  The larger one
(2000 amp) will start my 7.4 V8 from a dead battery in -10f weather.  They
hold their charge VERY well in storage.  I take them out and charge them
twice a year and have never had an issue using one to jump any vehicle I
have tried them on.  Smaller engines can be started several times on a
single charge.  These are not the cheapest, but they come up on sale on
Amazon several times a year.  I got one of the 1000 amp models for $45 on
sale last year.  Highly recommended.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have four different jump boxes made by NOCO, one in each=
 vehicle.=C2=A0 The smallest of which (1000 amp model) easily starts my 5.7=
 V8.=C2=A0 The larger one (2000 amp) will start my 7.4 V8 from a dead batte=
ry in -10f weather.=C2=A0 They hold their charge VERY well in storage.=C2=
=A0 I take them out and charge them twice a year and have never had an issu=
e using one to jump any vehicle I have tried them on.=C2=A0 Smaller engines=
 can be started several times on a single charge.=C2=A0 These are not the c=
heapest, but they come up on sale on Amazon several times a year.=C2=A0 I g=
ot one of the 1000 amp models for $45 on sale last year.=C2=A0 Highly recom=
mended.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 5:14 PM Jimmie Mayfield &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mayfield+shoptalk=
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    <div>Which one do you have?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve looked at
      a few and it seems like all of them have ridiculously undersized
      wires.<br>
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    </div>
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              all, if you have a lead-acid jump box, throw it away and
              get a new lithium one. They work great and hold their
              charge for a long time.</blockquote>
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I used to do some consulting work with AAA and occasionally rode along =
with their drivers.  This was 5 years ago and the lithium ones were new =
and not very good yet, but they always carried this Clore charger: =
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002SQTYG/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_as=
in_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1   I bought one and have carried it ever =
since.  It is way bigger than a lithium one, but it holds a charge very =
well and will jump a truck without difficulty.  It has rescued me and =
strangers in need multiple times.  I will likely buy another, more =
modern, Clore when the time comes.

> On Jan 1, 2023, at 10:36 PM, John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I have four different jump boxes made by NOCO, one in each vehicle.  =
The smallest of which (1000 amp model) easily starts my 5.7 V8.  The =
larger one (2000 amp) will start my 7.4 V8 from a dead battery in -10f =
weather.  They hold their charge VERY well in storage.  I take them out =
and charge them twice a year and have never had an issue using one to =
jump any vehicle I have tried them on.  Smaller engines can be started =
several times on a single charge.  These are not the cheapest, but they =
come up on sale on Amazon several times a year.  I got one of the 1000 =
amp models for $45 on sale last year.  Highly recommended.
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> On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 5:14 PM Jimmie Mayfield =
<[email-masked] =
>> Which one do you have?  I've looked at a few and it seems like all of =
>>>> First of all, if you have a lead-acid jump box, throw it away and =
get a new lithium one. They work great and hold their charge for a long =
time.
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some consulting work with AAA and occasionally rode along with their =
drivers. &nbsp;This was 5 years ago and the lithium ones were new and =
not very good yet, but they always carried this Clore charger:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002SQTYG/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_s=
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way bigger than a lithium one, but it holds a charge very well and will =
jump a truck without difficulty. &nbsp;It has rescued me and strangers =
in need multiple times. &nbsp;I will likely buy another, more modern, =
Clore when the time comes.<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On =
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dir=3D"ltr">I have four different jump boxes made by NOCO, one in each =
vehicle.&nbsp; The smallest of which (1000 amp model) easily starts my =
5.7 V8.&nbsp; The larger one (2000 amp) will start my 7.4 V8 from a dead =
battery in -10f weather.&nbsp; They hold their charge VERY well in =
storage.&nbsp; I take them out and charge them twice a year and have =
never had an issue using one to jump any vehicle I have tried them =
on.&nbsp; Smaller engines can be started several times on a single =
charge.&nbsp; These are not the cheapest, but they come up on sale on =
Amazon several times a year.&nbsp; I got one of the 1000 amp models for =
$45 on sale last year.&nbsp; Highly recommended.<br></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan =
1, 2023 at 5:14 PM Jimmie Mayfield &lt;<a =
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    <div>Which one do you have?&nbsp; I've looked at
      a few and it seems like all of them have ridiculously undersized
      wires.<br>
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    <div>On 1/1/23 16:58, Doug Braun wrote:<br>
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of
              all, if you have a lead-acid jump box, throw it away and
              get a new lithium one. They work great and hold their
              charge for a long time.</blockquote>
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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:12:13 -0800

On 1/1/2023 5:16 PM, Doug Braun wrote:
> it has saved me and other drivers a bunch of times.  The wires are sort 
> of thin, but they are only 8 inches long, so it doesn't really matter.

Got one as well.  It's been great and very useful.

John.

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