Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap

From: PJ McGarvey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:02:53 +0000

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I=92ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the =
wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets disturbe=
d such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my car.
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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] header wrap

Anyone ever seen or heard of header wrap disintegrating?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=92ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my o=
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM<br>
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:54:28 +0000

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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
ked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pul=
led the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
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From: PJ McGarvey <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked].=
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
ked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pul=
led the can to see what was going
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: header wrap</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=92ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my o=
wn car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where=
 it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same s=
pot on my car.&nbsp;</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@ou=
tlook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] header wrap</font>
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From: PJ McGarvey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:31:33 +0000

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I think it does loosen up as it heat-cycles which is why you wrap it fairly=
 tight. It most likely just fell off.
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From: Tim . <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:54:28 PM
To: PJ McGarvey <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked].=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think it does loosen up as it heat-cycles which is why y=
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Tim . &lt;tims_datsun=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:54:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PJ McGarvey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> PJ McGarvey &lt;pj_=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: header wrap</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=92ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my o=
wn car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where=
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pot on my car.&nbsp;</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@=
outlook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 18:34:24 +0000

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Some of it was there, just pieces, still held on place by the can. Totally =
stumped.
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To: Tim . <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked].=
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[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: header wrap</font>
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Tim . &lt;tims_dats=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:54:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> PJ McGarvey &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
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led the can to see what was going
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" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> PJ McGarvey &lt;p=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 8:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: header wrap</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I=92ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my o=
wn car where the wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where=
 it gets disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same s=
pot on my car.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuf=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 26, 2022 12:46:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not 
surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively low 
frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - that 
energy had to go somewhere...

Neil

On 27/11/2022 17:54, Tim . wrote:
> I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an 
> exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose 
> clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud 
> again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and just 
> about all the wrap was gone.
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    <p>Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not
      surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration
      (relatively low frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you
      were blocking - that energy had to go somewhere...</p>
    <p>Neil<br>
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        I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an
        exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can
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You need to put metal down over the holes first.  The fire in the exhaust 
will burn and degrade the wrap material if it's directly in contact.  The 
wrap depends on metal to take the brunt of the actual fire - then it'll 
further insulate the pipe.

On November 27, 2022 12:35:19 PM "Tim ." <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust 
> pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It 
> worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I 
> pulled the can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was gone.
>
> To: Tim . <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: header wrap
> I’ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate on my own car where the 
> wrap sees the most heat coming out of the engine, or where it gets 
> disturbed such as during a spark plug change - which is the same spot on my 
> car.
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<div dir=3D"auto">You need to put metal down over the holes first.&nbsp; Th=
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
ked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pul=
led the can to see what was going
 on and just about all the wrap was gone.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99ve only seen it start to do slowly deteriorate o=
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Thanks Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still in perfect =
condition. Does your reply still make sense then? (not trying to be a troll=
, just try to save money on a car that is approaching the end of reliable D=
D.)

Thanks Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make sense since I=
 am down stream of the exhaust manifold?

Again, thanks all for the replies. Just trying to extend the life of a car =
that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot even begin to do myself.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Neil Sherry=
 <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap

Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not surprised=
 it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively low frequency) a=
s well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - that energy had to go s=
omewhere...

Neil

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Thanks&nbsp;Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still in per=
fect condition. Does your reply still make sense then? (not trying to be a =
troll, just try to save money on a car that is approaching the end of relia=
ble DD.)</div>
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Thanks&nbsp;Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make sense si=
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ntToProof">
Again, thanks&nbsp;all for the replies. Just trying to extend the life of a=
 car that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot even begin to do mys=
elf.&nbsp;</div>
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talk.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap</font>
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<p>Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it - not surpri=
sed it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively low frequency=
) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - that energy had to g=
o somewhere...</p>
<p>Neil<br>
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I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise in an exhaust pi=
pe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and hose clamps. It wor=
ked fine for a couple weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pul=
led the can to see what was going
 on and just about all the wrap was gone.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</div>
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Hi Tim,

I agree with Karl - definitely not the right thing to fix a hole - your 
tin can would be better employed straight on the hole, if you can't do a 
welded repair. And there will be vibration in the pipe - flexipipe is 
mainly to cope with rocking back and forth of the engine as power goes 
on and off.

Neil

On 28/11/2022 00:42, Tim . wrote:
> Thanks Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still in 
> perfect condition. Does your reply still make sense then? (not trying 
> to be a troll, just try to save money on a car that is approaching the 
> end of reliable DD.)
>
> Thanks Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make sense 
> since I am down stream of the exhaust manifold?
>
> Again, thanks all for the replies. Just trying to extend the life of a 
> car that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot even begin to do 
> myself.
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Neil 
> Sherry <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap
>
> surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration (relatively 
> low frequency) as well as the noise frequencies you were blocking - 
> that energy had to go somewhere...
>
> Neil
>
>> exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place with a can and 
>> hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple weeks then started to get 
>> loud again. Yesterday I pulled the can to see what was going on and 
>> just about all the wrap was gone.
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    <p>Hi Tim,</p>
    <p>I agree with Karl - definitely not the right thing to fix a hole
      - your tin can would be better employed straight on the hole, if
      you can't do a welded repair. And there will be vibration in the
      pipe - flexipipe is mainly to cope with rocking back and forth of
      the engine as power goes on and off.</p>
    <p>Neil<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/11/2022 00:42, Tim . wrote:<br>
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        255, 255);" class="elementToProof">
        Thanks Neil. This is down stream of the flex pipe that is still
        in perfect condition. Does your reply still make sense then?
        (not trying to be a troll, just try to save money on a car that
        is approaching the end of reliable DD.)</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255,
        255, 255);" class="elementToProof">
        Thanks Karl. Same question to you: Does your reply still make
        sense since I am down stream of the exhaust manifold?</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255,
        255, 255);" class="elementToProof">
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        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255,
        255, 255);" class="elementToProof">
        Again, thanks all for the replies. Just trying to extend the
        life of a car that needs a lot of electrical work that I cannot
        even begin to do myself. </div>
      <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1">
      <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
          Shop-talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behalf
          of Neil Sherry <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 27, 2022 12:57 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] header wrap</font>
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      <div>
        <p>Sandwiching it between the exhaust and a can will hammer it -
          not surprised it fell apart! It'll be getting the vibration
          (relatively low frequency) as well as the noise frequencies
          you were blocking - that energy had to go somewhere...</p>
        <p>Neil<br>
        </p>
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            I used a couple feet to patch a break and muffle the noise
            in an exhaust pipe on my wife's DD. It was held in place
            with a can and hose clamps. It worked fine for a couple
            weeks then started to get loud again. Yesterday I pulled the
            can to see what was going on and just about all the wrap was
            gone.     </div>
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