From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 19 11:27:45 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40AFA109C for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 11:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta-202a.earthlink-vadesecure.net (unknown [51.81.232.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80254A0FBA for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 11:24:00 -0600 (MDT) 9f58U=; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=earthlink.net; h=from:reply-to:subject: date:to:cc:resent-date:resent-from:resent-to:resent-cc:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post: list-owner:list-archive; q=dns/txt; s=dk12062016; t=1666200251; x=1666805051; b=fqd7xQedsAmleElgU/z6DSGBWLdTR8TnBF4eVBmT91grYXcNC4AiIEd SL4Fv7lNVqZt+tFPe7MPJmQhuT+/Xht/wVZw1J549YHf90nT9vicNIM+1qZusC+T/+oSDVy /eiVYjg1sVRTZjACRGW6vox0zFx1RqlzM84q5S/4tGE3058vmp/gx5ollIfj7ziIpLBxe5v YCFwOh0RqpzAAouc8B64FcWABnP85rCFcvJesjI3x96aGcQP1ihFXZRb/HOuTgsUwVwhrIQ 0vu90qxxpujPbpEdV8jOFlhaYVO8J2oIInE9M/S2KxhW1ywbslbmcZVXOVudXQoLeazuxLQ hdg== Received: from [192.168.1.110] ([75.164.199.16]) by smtp.earthlink-vadesecure.net ESMTP vsel2nmtao02p with ngmta id b944d7f0-171f884ccc095c6d; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:24:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:24:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.3 Content-Language: en-US To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1627412484.1779487.1664365351037@mail.yahoo.com> From: Richard George Authentication-Results: earthlink-vadesecure.net; auth=pass smtp.auth=rkg@teleport.com smtp.mailfrom=rkg@teleport.com; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0446281559210064994== boundary="------------02M5P6y6oHL3FdjRY35zhy1S" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02M5P6y6oHL3FdjRY35zhy1S Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everybody. First off, thank you again for all your input on this shipping issue.  I got it done, and thought I would share the "experience" in case anybody else is confronted with this. In the end, I got the total number of boxes down to 24, weighing ~450 lb. and taking up ~40 ft^3 After much calling, I found that -if- I had it palletized and had a loading dock/pallet handling gear, I could get it to its destination for $600-800 (There were some services that look for available space that might well have been less, but you don't know their best price until you have the items ready to go and then request a number) - lift truck for pallet added $50 or so.  The problem is that I wasn't there (no pallet handling gear, have never palletized stuff, etc) - I needed somebody to palletize the stuff and stick it on whatever truck was going cross country.  I found several companies that do this, but it wasn't cheap - lowest quote was $1800 to pick up the boxes, palletize, and send them to the destination). The PODS guys wouldn't deliver a cube to the auction house's location and recommended U-pack.  A quote for moving the smallest cube they have to the auction house's address was $3700 (ouch). What did I do?  I ended up shipping them all by UPS ground using pirateship - doing that, it cost me ~$860 to send the 24 boxes to the auction house, which was more or less what the more expensive freight quotes were. Best, rkg (Richard George) On 9/28/2022 4:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT. > https://www.1800packrat.com/ > > Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian and Wendy Warrick > To: shop-talk > Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets > shipped... help? > > > To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS > > https://www.pods.com/ > > If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could > be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it > to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed. > > Brian > Nampa, ID > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of > eric@megageek.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM > *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets > shipped... help? > Rkg, > > There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of > items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.) > > Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool > cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic > blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving > away pallets. > > Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in > the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping. > > Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If > you know the weight, that is much better. > > Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X > many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full > truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) > this just means you'll pay more. > > Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved > driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may > have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come > over on the pick up day. > Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a > paved driveway there, it might not be too bad. > That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work. > > IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the > best way to do it. > > Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' > (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need > a 20' or 40'. > > They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need > pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge > things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid > of mattresses and you can put them in between items. > > You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and > drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge > a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to > load it and unload it right away. > > If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this. > > Moose > > > > > From: Richard George > To: shop-talk > Date: 09/27/2022 05:15 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets > shipped... help? > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Hi, > > I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff > (tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. > I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at > a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident > they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned > (would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a > few banker boxes, etc I think). > > I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a > lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the > auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes > individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't > have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping > (they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no > pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I > think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition, > while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't > ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that > the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment, > etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on > the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the > companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract > additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual > delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6 > hood omitted)). > > So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this. > > Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered > that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? > Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...? > > Thanks in advance, > > rkg > > (Richard George) > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey@cs.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rkg@teleport.com > --------------02M5P6y6oHL3FdjRY35zhy1S Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi everybody.

First off, thank you again for all your input on this shipping issue.  I got it done, and thought I would share the "experience" in case anybody else is confronted with this.

In the end, I got the total number of boxes down to 24, weighing ~450 lb. and taking up ~40 ft^3

After much calling, I found that -if- I had it palletized and had a loading dock/pallet handling gear, I could get it to its destination for $600-800 (There were some services that look for available space that might well have been less, but you don't know their best price until you have the items ready to go and then request a number) - lift truck for pallet added $50 or so.  The problem is that I wasn't there (no pallet handling gear, have never palletized stuff, etc) - I needed somebody to palletize the stuff and stick it on whatever truck was going cross country.  I found several companies that do this, but it wasn't cheap - lowest quote was $1800 to pick up the boxes, palletize, and send them to the destination). 

The PODS guys wouldn't deliver a cube to the auction house's location and recommended U-pack.  A quote for moving the smallest cube they have to the auction house's address was $3700 (ouch).

What did I do?  I ended up shipping them all by UPS ground using pirateship - doing that, it cost me ~$860 to send the 24 boxes to the auction house, which was more or less what the more expensive freight quotes were.

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)


On 9/28/2022 4:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
PODS or equivalent such as PACKRAT.

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Wendy Warrick <maynerdfamily@msn.com>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2022 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?


To follow up on Eric's comments, look into PODS

https://www.pods.com/

If the stuff isn't big and heavy and packs well into boxes, this could be the way to go. Load the POD at the location and let them bring it to the Auction House. No pallets or strapping needed.

Brian
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric@megageek.com <eric@megageek.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:34 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
 
Rkg,

There are a few options.  If you only have a few pallets worth of items, go out and buy some "pallet wrap" (big roll of clear cling wrap.)

Look in the local craigslist for someone getting rid of a solar pool cover (should be easy this time of year.)  They are large plastic blankets of bubble wrap.  Also, you'll find a TON of people giving away pallets.

Load the items on a pallet and bolt it to the pallet.  Then wrap in the bubble wrap, then the pallet wrapping.  

Once done, have a list of all the items/pallets with dimensions.  If you know the weight, that is much better.

Then, contact a shipping company near you and tell them you have X many pallets that need to be shipped.  You may have enough for a full truck (best bet.)  If not, you are a 'ltt'  (less than truckload.) this just means you'll pay more.

Let them know you need a lift gate.  IF you have a good paved driveway, they can use the pallet jack to load them.  If not, you may have to rent a forklift, or have a buddy with a tractor and forks come over on the pick up day.
Then you'll have to make arrangements on the other end.  If you have a paved driveway there, it might not be too bad.
That is NOT the ideal way, but it will work.

IF you have LOTS of stuff, going to a single location, here is the best way to do it.

Find a shipping company that will drop off a 'intermodal container' (the standard shipping container.)  You'll have to decide if you need a 20' or 40'.

They will drop it off for you to load on your own.  You don't need pallets, just pack the stuff in there and use tiedowns and wedge things together.  This is also a good time to find people getting rid of mattresses and you can put them in between items.

You load the container up (at ground level) and they pick it up, and drop it off for you to unload at the other side.  They normally charge a fee for the 'rental' time of the unit, so plan well and be ready to load it and unload it right away.

If you are in NJ, let me know, I can easily help you with this.

Moose




From:        Richard George <rkg@teleport.com>
To:        shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2022 05:15 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] palletizing stuff and getting the pallets shipped... help?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Hi,

I'm dealing with my dad's estate and have a large quantity of stuff
(tools - ob. shop content) to send across country to get auctioned off. 
I was originally looking at using normal shipping methods (boxes sent at
a discount via pirate ship), but it turns out the house is confident
they can deal with far more "stuff" than I had originally envisioned
(would be 40 or so of those home depot small and medium moving boxes,a
few banker boxes, etc I think).

I am guessing when one has that much material its probably going to be a
lot cheaper to palletize it/put them on a truck and ship them to the
auction house that way rather than trying to ship the boxes
individually.  The trouble is that I'm not set up to do that.  I don't
have any pallet jacks, don't exactly have any place to do the wrapping
(they are all in storage - I suppose I could do it there, but again, no
pallet jack and while the storage space would let me work there but I
think getting a truck there might be a cluster, etc).  In addition,
while I've packed a LOT of stuff for shipment over the years, I haven't
ever loaded up items on a pallet/wrapped the pallet for shipment so that
the will make it, actually tried to use a freight company for shipment,
etc.  And... the times in the past I've dealt with freight companies (on
the receiving end), it often didn't go well (not so much damage as the
companies all seemed to do bait and switch on rates, tried to extract
additional payments they weren't owed, there were issues with actual
delivery, etc (story of cluster surrounding shipment of fiberglass GT6
hood omitted)).

So I was hoping to get some advice for a newbie on dealing with this.

Are there services that can handle the palletizing/getting it delivered
that won't take you to the cleaners/jerk you around on the pricing,etc? 
Is there a "shipping by truck for dummies" tome out there, or...?

Thanks in advance,

rkg

(Richard George)

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Posting for a = friend:

 

I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire = Conditioner. 

I'm overhauling it = to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.

I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am = stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable = cutter motor.

Anyone out there who is = knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some = assistance. 

 

 

----------------

All the best,

 

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------=_NextPart_000_5C02_01D8E54E.186631B0-- --===============7644188423725975793== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7644188423725975793==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 21 18:21:20 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE21BA11BA for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EAFA110F for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 16:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id a13so11081094edj.0 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT) h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oqK7g2ipmWH5sG5lrAu7dfwZ1mmytxF2vqE6FKf5MGk=; b=cVKIhLh3t5o7silC8wtIgGWb0JzqSJ3XUfFm55D3fgHWJejMpkY1EcI+E2nHSRtQax TBNSYpjchnBO1o6r9Qe6ZeHt0FH3GNgD36LOw0cy7Ifr0zzi7PP0J3ecHsJ3VKrJp20q NEHj3yfXAYrps5slwE37PK8VpxewNlAf4hzltcyy0CkxXl+2olxb0s0176VfN+aKnOTW l3H8qYq1sNwUldsD3wRJ7XaOqNJ6jODJkGX09VtAQLw3vLQjyW2d9OPnq+MLIJNDd+W3 BzWv8colJM5gTQF6gCNIjw+ZTPerXYLDp+gtUxCREE6mwa3lcizztRiFjpJ+A7LvVE5f Lnbg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oqK7g2ipmWH5sG5lrAu7dfwZ1mmytxF2vqE6FKf5MGk=; b=Ht+r/kPBhTWqr7/0JpRHLPy9RwsrgrPHn0VROjeVhr0r2mMA14yQBw8mhHVynkFAro dU1N3mMVS74E4cHnc7VzDPiQGVPM3HZQJR8Ws/SfVHTIv3GWGJKGir5ovbtWTqeZi6EV H4A37hgWBVklE8E9k871+/xtAiFZ9w5kXE772z8KH4tagjbPfFV05ne1NMba/vYtkzrp bjfew0cT/+2UJ9d+sbDfJ73NaCABqhp01v43zmdz9nBrhqNAUHWfL8pWEMk2LZkLc8pL PllPMKUoNUvhUs7adp+hKgosNB2HXZnMn+AA+PqNbVaop9HUuZBFf8ddsykM5kFgINfV p5Zw== TBbUC4cdEiSL4iWaMOovQlvX9clyxnwWYZAjAXkTvDkq6aQ= hf10-20020a1709072c4a00b0078df5c270d1mr17787005ejc.198.1666391404921; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 15:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Hall Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 00:29:53 +0200 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4873099554540403588== --000000000000bf4a7205eb92fb3f Guys, I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee. Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy. The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference. The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use. Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts? Thanks fellas. Scott --000000000000bf4a7205eb92fb3f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys,

I'= m in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here= . The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (wh= ere the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they&= #39;re about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in Fran= ce and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a pa= rtner licensee.

Anyway, = the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply.= The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S.= 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer = plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also= coming from a sales guy.

The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an = iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at = temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the= 10hz frequency difference.

The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the = only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The funct= ion is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I w= ouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up= to temp. and to recover during use.

Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any= thoughts?

Thanks fellas= .

Scott
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Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7DEA11DF for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB81A1BF208; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 00:46:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 20:46:05 -0400 References: To: Scott Hall Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I can't speak for that unit but a UK friend brought his tea kettle to the US and wired it to fit in a 220v dryer outlet. But he's a EE... jim > On Oct 21, 2022, at 6:29 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > > Guys, > > I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee. > > Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy. > > The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference. > > The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use. > > Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts? > > Thanks fellas. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 21 23:00:38 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B99FA1330 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 23:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta35.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.89.44.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4EA1422 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2022 22:29:36 -0600 (MDT) 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old-school mechanical bi-metal thermostat (st= ill the cheapest way to go) it will work just fine on 60 Hz, too.=C2=A0 If = there are electronic controls the odds are really good that they will work = just fine (actually better?) at 60Hz vs 50Hz. BTW most line-powered electronics these days will work on either 50 or 60 H= z and many will work over the 90 -264 Volt range making then suitable for u= se in US and EU. C'est simple. Cette plateau de chauffage va marche bien chez toi !=20 =20 Dave=20 BTW, I'm jealous.=C2=A0 Do you need someone to carry your bags? =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 5:29 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply Guys, I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. = The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (wher= e the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're abo= ut $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and unc= ommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee= . Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz sup= ply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a = U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer = plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also= coming from a sales guy. The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an ir= on plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. = I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz freq= uency difference. The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only= parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function = is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I would= n't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp= . and to recover during use. Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts? Thanks fellas. Scott_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1868765_1381310915.1666438692927 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
First off, a resistance heater don't care about frequency.  It will be happy with DC. 

If the thermostat is just the old-school mechanical bi-metal thermostat (still the cheapest way to go) it will work just fine on 60 Hz, too.  If there are electronic controls the odds are really good that they will work just fine (actually better?) at 60Hz vs 50Hz.

BTW most line-powered electronics these days will work on either 50 or 60 Hz and many will work over the 90 -264 Volt range making then suitable for use in US and EU.

C'est simple. Cette plateau de chauffage va marche bien chez toi !

Dave

BTW, I'm jealous.  Do you need someone to carry your bags?


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 5:29 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Wiring a 230v 50hz heater for U.S. 220v 60hz supply

Guys,

I'm in France right now. I'd like to buy what amounts to a hot plate here. The company that makes these sells them all over the world. In France (where the manufacturer is located) they're about $300. In the U.S., they're about $900. A huge chunk of that is just how common they are in France and uncommon they are in the U.S.--at home they're sold through a partner licensee.

Anyway, the one I'd buy in France has a French plug on it for 230v 50hz supply. The specialty retailer offering it says I can replace the plug with a U.S. 220v plug and it'll work just fine. Either cut it and wire on a dryer plug or unscrew the plug in the unit and install a dryer plug. This is also coming from a sales guy.

The electronics are are literally an electric resistance coil sunk in an iron plate and a thermostat dial, and a light to indicate when it's at temp. I'm trying to come up with his any of those would change with the 10hz frequency difference.

The U.S. version is at least cosmetically identical, and literally the only parts aside from the coil are the thermostat dial and light. The function is the shape of the iron plate--the rest is just a heating blanket. I wouldn't want to switch it to 120v U.S.--it would take forever to get up to temp. and to recover during use.

Does it seem reasonable that I can just swap out the cord? Any thoughts?

Thanks fellas.

Scott
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Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:55:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:55:55 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "alfuller194@gmail.com" , "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <5c0101d8e588$c4c49480$4e4dbd80$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4764648942072080946== boundary="----=_Part_1889495_480019697.1666439755422" ------=_Part_1889495_480019697.1666439755422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not familiar with your application but a typical reversable AC motor i= s controlled by a SPST center-off switch.=C2=A0 The motor has three leads.= =C2=A0 One is connected to neutral directly.=C2=A0 The other tow wires have= a run capacitor connected between them.=C2=A0 Applying power to one of the= se two leads will make the motor run in one direction and applying power to= the other lead will make the motor run in the opposite direction.=C2=A0 Th= ere should be a label on the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which= . =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: alfuller194@gmail.com To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 3:07 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring Posting for a friend: =C2=A0I have p= urchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner.=C2=A0I'm overhaul= ing it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.I have all the mechan= ical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt = single phase reversable cutter motor.Anyone out there who is knowledgeable = on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some assistance.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0----------------All the best, =C2=A0Al Fuller =C2=A0__________= _____________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1889495_480019697.1666439755422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm not familiar with your application but a typical reversable AC motor is controlled by a SPST center-off switch.  The motor has three leads.  One is connected to neutral directly.  The other tow wires have a run capacitor connected between them.  Applying power to one of these two leads will make the motor run in one direction and applying power to the other lead will make the motor run in the opposite direction.  There should be a label on the motor somewhere indicating which wire is which.

Dave




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From: alfuller194@gmail.com
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 3:07 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] 110 v motor wiring

Posting for a friend:
 
I have purchased an old machine named a Kemsway Tire Conditioner. 
I'm overhauling it to hopefully use to shave tires on wire wheels.
I have all the mechanical issues resolved but am stumped when it comes to rewiring the 110 volt single phase reversable cutter motor.
Anyone out there who is knowledgeable on AC motor wiring who would be prepared to offer some assistance. 
 
 
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All the best,
 
Al Fuller
 
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2f3e09a950f4fee4ea18e8c80123becf; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 20:43:06 +0000 (UTC) From: john To: shop-talk Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:43:03 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2.73 (Win10.19043; P; 2022-09-19) References: <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4649057589107483640== --------------020900070400000609030807 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first co= ld=20 day... =20 Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few sec= onds=20 the pilot lit Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out =20 lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill =20 pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...=20 flame is on the thermocouple =20 what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? =20 thanks john --------------020900070400000609030807 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot = and be ahead of that first cold day...
 
Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch u= p the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go..= =2Eflame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens= ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing = the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple
 
what you think >>>  bad thermoco= uple ???
 
thanks
john
--------------020900070400000609030807-- --===============4649057589107483640== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4649057589107483640==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 22 16:22:47 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F987A147D for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 16:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3251A0911 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id r14so18240600edc.7 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=TDpVPAU8s5UlPXDPPcwUBLEj/fjLJt8T/iPkOWEKev0=; b=JbaKjBhcME6tpi37E8SGnoaUloVDnwKfNZiIiLMpXoR50gR3DYp+pR9QCDutPBv7Dt ysFwlwdlEDD3dB0uffg70so1sOWGi3oWHIVBKjOnJW3Y1R9xzsk4NzAS2d2c12LLQ6dI A0b6MI5S9muNUqUr5odn8CNsTI6crLdEpLUGwTLrtmCY2WHLCHHL6Emv5lcaUTTz3os5 fHxeB1X1Omsph1F5uvGQnQRmMdFUgb7x8g0l9GL0YtZMvZZmiNhc3imWrPHxWXY4gOWS YnUeyKPI8od+dWHM82lpni+k/vs3bS0V15htCkpsh2udKGLzriWiyCZ6OzDEbv+rNaaE 5vrg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=TDpVPAU8s5UlPXDPPcwUBLEj/fjLJt8T/iPkOWEKev0=; b=IPQejdSLS9oBTADTz1Max7BcjGKcUTkvejvIsA/sdhPTDQSFowoYf5L3VYKOkzHL7d JOpU4yvMMLF5RVfLz80IZ8v0uUX9VHMAHlbzNbJN7oLW/q+TIaixc65NvofWp99iQN/W iPiVWRfShtkVYm0w2KWQkGfhdGgGW41XFISt6bbV2/kjr9ZoB0DgMVPm0PXmQL9LMwW2 8Csblg2pJVtdQZitnMOsbyFWSkmpVnDy19bIXID9kYNwcaKgVtDWyI/X1pV96OpZNqqF pwj+yj0L9ximaiKuiY/LPRVIf8En1dkztxl3mo8JvH/Ba7PjRm0ub1gChacNCMkWwAEk Rk9w== rkewAaBgO++KcFgipDUDHS8f53u4x76wZKusGZs= eq11-20020a056402298b00b0044f020a2db2mr23976451edb.138.1666474690021; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 14:38:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF@johns-desktop> From: Scott Hall Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:37:58 +0200 To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9018340454790963812== --000000000000ed0d8105eba65fc9 Bad thermocouple. Or at least it's usually that. I'd replace that first if it's cheap. On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 11:34 PM john wrote: > Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first > cold day... > > Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few > seconds the pilot lit > Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out > > lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill > > pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... > flame is on the thermocouple > > what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? > > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --000000000000ed0d8105eba65fc9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bad thermocouple. Or at least it's usually that. I= 9;d replace that first if it's cheap.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 11:34 PM joh= n <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
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Winter's coming...thought I'd light th= e pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
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Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch u= p the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go..= .flame goes out
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lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens= ...same drill
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pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing = the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple
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what you think >>>=C2=A0 bad thermoco= uple ???
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thanks
john
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--000000000000ed0d8105eba65fc9-- --===============9018340454790963812== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9018340454790963812==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 22 17:59:35 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2338EA1490 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 17:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D778A1418 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 15:51:20 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1666475491; bh=1rFwpeij3BKzW5qJh+xwskw2HxBro/yApx3vvQsufdI=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=HT37u1bD/B2GQO5HAtUjp4N5WhFRmXS/TJ6OfJIrlEyD24nXeCoCi8G0HwAipjXj0 xo+23LxS7NhQIHdlnHtRlFFRThrM2uTEhF/WOLy1fy0EE5WlAwtpVFBZxcvK4DClY/ 93i7seWNCch5WqbvtAQHRcbS4BHJICFylmsc6mI63a20qthQT1PsbXAR6TsWGjb0Ac SVxGVfIXHMimecZn7/y3k3ojtSJk4HN48vG+XvDs1vhypGTExpoEjy2tTgOL56nJfq FigTih4V6DSlJOBcMDNNngxciDE01wr521OONJSaarz+KwUcb+1T7JCrml9A6p8sAz +FY6gbQUYB09g== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF0097424D5; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 21:51:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 16:51:28 -0500 References: <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF@johns-desktop> To: john =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2209130000 definitions=main-2210220138 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1828877655446927031== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-C1F52A05-1FD5-4709-BFED-9DD865B268F7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who can tes= t it. If they say it=E2=80=99s bad, replace it, if they say it=E2=80=99s goo= d, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn=E2= =80=99t work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corrode= d or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to see= if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john wrote: =EF=BB=BF Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first col= d day... =20 Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seco= nds the pilot lit Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out =20 lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill =20 pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... flame is on the thermocouple =20 what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? =20 thanks john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-C1F52A05-1FD5-4709-BFED-9DD865B268F7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take i= t out & find someone who can test it. If they say it=E2=80=99s bad, repl= ace it, if they say it=E2=80=99s good, it is probably good. I had one decade= s ago that tested good but wouldn=E2=80=99t work with the pilot flame. The e= nd @ the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter you c= an do a rough (no load test) to see if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be plenty of= videos on line. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jnio= lon@att.net> wrote:

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Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot a= nd be ahead of that first cold day...
 
Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up= the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...= flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens .= ..same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing t= he pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple
 
what you think >>>  bad thermocou= ple ???
 
thanks
john
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Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:08:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:08:33 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "jniolon@att.net" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF.ref@johns-desktop> <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF@johns-desktop> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7623306883907078302== boundary="----=_Part_1999789_2061088634.1666476513500" ------=_Part_1999789_2061088634.1666476513500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is the least expensive and the easiest to replace part in the system = so start there. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: john To: shop-talk Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 3:43 pm Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first c= old day...=C2=A0Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole...= after a few seconds the pilot litHeld the button for 30 seconds and let it= go...flame goes out=C2=A0lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ..= .same drill=C2=A0pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot bu= tton... flame is on the thermocouple=C2=A0what you think >>>=C2=A0 bad ther= mocouple ???=C2=A0thanksjohn_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1999789_2061088634.1666476513500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
That is the least expensive and the easiest to replace part in the system so start there.

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: john <jniolon@att.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 3:43 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem

Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
 
Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit
Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocouple
 
what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???
 
thanks
john
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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bp11-20020a05620a458b00b006c479acd82fsm12275729qkb.7.2022.10.22.18.44.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Oct 2022 18:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 21:44:44 -0400 To: Pat Horne , john References: <1UbyQwddmB.6QsOeXMklrF@johns-desktop> <9E436F7C-4384-4537-99E1-06EB8BD05AEE@icloud.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0342575641922291299== boundary="Apple-Mail=_44C92920-45E7-433C-9034-FEBE22E4F390" --Apple-Mail=_44C92920-45E7-433C-9034-FEBE22E4F390 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Not to insult anyone=E2=80=99s intelligence, but before replacing it, = make certain it is properly in the pilot light flame. I had this happen = years ago on a water heater and it drove me crazy until I bent it = slightly to move it back into the flame. It was fine from then on. > On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne wrote: >=20 > Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who = can test it. If they say it=E2=80=99s bad, replace it, if they say = it=E2=80=99s good, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that = tested good but wouldn=E2=80=99t work with the pilot flame. The end @ = the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter you = can do a rough (no load test) to see if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be = plenty of videos on line.=20 >=20 > Peace, > Pat >=20 > Pat Horne=20 > We support Habitat for Humanity >=20 >=20 > On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that = first cold day... > =20 > Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a = few seconds the pilot lit > Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out > =20 > lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill > =20 > pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... > flame is on the thermocouple > =20 > what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? > =20 > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_44C92920-45E7-433C-9034-FEBE22E4F390 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Not = to insult anyone=E2=80=99s intelligence, but before replacing it, make = certain it is properly in the pilot light flame.  I had this happen = years ago on a water heater and it drove me crazy until I bent it = slightly to move it back into the flame.  It was fine from then = on.

On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Sounds like a bad thermocouple = to me. Take it out & find someone who can test it. If they say = it=E2=80=99s bad, replace it, if they say it=E2=80=99s good, it is = probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn=E2=80=99t= work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corroded = or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to = see if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for = Humanity


On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> = wrote:

=EF=BB= =BF
Winter's = coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold = day...
 
Pressed in the pilot = button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot = lit
Held the button for = 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot = assembly to see what happens ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then = goes out when releasing the pilot button...
flame is on the = thermocouple
 
what you think = >>>  bad thermocouple ???
 
thanks
john
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= --Apple-Mail=_44C92920-45E7-433C-9034-FEBE22E4F390-- --===============0342575641922291299== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0342575641922291299==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 22 23:54:34 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFD8A1596 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:54:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281601.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836E9A1452 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 21:39:47 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1666496398; bh=WVCOwx5cUIXzDToKp129ymap9Jg5D5Ci8uyWNgsh3+E=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=yxEU8JZmMfNMgthMR0D2B7WR6AoE/snmOzI+hF+x057U3MdC1yrC7blXd/t2RwOyp wY8sfUd8fVw36lAiZ9FMKW0CBmAMJajErgymOM93ncqNS+21zvCqV3gkwEtzGxiWMS UkNJx07fKfKhADE4DPsTn0R752xoDR8HLFmpXylNUUaSuEGxsyTdOp0Fq/RpCZOpp9 TWNg4oxgn2kKOGyUFs1qBu+Lc4SNVqA5Kc4owWTzsk79jzohPUJC308qWIs7o6JtzM TYa2ojUROEEEZYvMod9SsClRHTsgHzpbBwAVm8TXjdv3k1brJpNINrz2LTAGPG5LFz 9w65N58v5fA1g== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DBCFAA0301; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 03:39:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 22:39:53 -0500 References: <3912F040-93E7-4B6D-87AB-A0444CEBFD2F@gmail.com> To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2209130000 definitions=main-2210230022 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3454330213768875975== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-3F7FAE89-4370-4751-BDF1-EE38FE67E5FD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1, Jim! Thanks.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Oct 22, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: =EF=BB=BFNot to insult anyone=E2=80=99s intelligence, but before replacing i= t, make certain it is properly in the pilot light flame. I had this happen y= ears ago on a water heater and it drove me crazy until I bent it slightly to= move it back into the flame. It was fine from then on. > On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne wrote: >=20 > Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Take it out & find someone who can t= est it. If they say it=E2=80=99s bad, replace it, if they say it=E2=80=99s g= ood, it is probably good. I had one decades ago that tested good but wouldn=E2= =80=99t work with the pilot flame. The end @ the pilot should not be corrode= d or loose. If you have a voltmeter you can do a rough (no load test) to see= if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be plenty of videos on line.=20 >=20 > Peace, > Pat >=20 > Pat Horne=20 > We support Habitat for Humanity >=20 >=20 > On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first c= old day... > =20 > Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few se= conds the pilot lit > Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out > =20 > lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill > =20 > pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... > flame is on the thermocouple > =20 > what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? > =20 > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patint= exas@icloud.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789al= pine@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-3F7FAE89-4370-4751-BDF1-EE38FE67E5FD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1, Jim! Thanks. 
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne =
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 22, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> w= rote:

=EF=BB=BFNot to insult anyone=E2=80=99s int= elligence, but before replacing it, make certain it is properly in the pilot= light flame.  I had this happen years ago on a water heater and it dro= ve me crazy until I bent it slightly to move it back into the flame.  I= t was fine from then on.

On Oct 22, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Pat Horne <= ;patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

<= meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" clas= s=3D"">
Sounds like a bad thermocouple to me. Ta= ke it out & find someone who can test it. If they say it=E2=80=99s bad, r= eplace it, if they say it=E2=80=99s good, it is probably good. I had one dec= ades ago that tested good but wouldn=E2=80=99t work with the pilot flame. Th= e end @ the pilot should not be corroded or loose. If you have a voltmeter y= ou can do a rough (no load test) to see if it=E2=80=99s bad. Should be plent= y of videos on line. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humani= ty


On Oct 22, 2022, at 4:44 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Winter's coming...thought= I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...
 
Pressed in the pilot butt= on... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the pilot lit<= /div>
Held the button for 30 se= conds and let it go...flame goes out
 
lowered the pilot assembl= y to see what happens ...same drill
 
pilot lights.... then goe= s out when releasing the pilot button...
flame is on the thermocou= ple
 
what you think >>&g= t;  bad thermocouple ???
 
thanks
john
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= --Apple-Mail-3F7FAE89-4370-4751-BDF1-EE38FE67E5FD-- --===============3454330213768875975== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3454330213768875975==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 23 00:12:42 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAE0A161B for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 00:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta011.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.164.127.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B741A1652 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 21:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.148]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id mDweohAPXFZt0mRrvodQSp; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 03:41:47 +0000 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([68.10.236.102]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id mRrtoKhGCG6KamRruoj9fm; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 03:41:47 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net a=fFb8bx/I9shrFqPlEITjOA==:117 a=fFb8bx/I9shrFqPlEITjOA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=2Du9OyRJopF4VpuQzIwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=jQ3_FN9oQ3G5VtAO:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lqcHg5cX4UMA:10 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 23:41:50 -0400 To: shop-talk From: "John T. Blair" OnM0qx7wQ3cPW/8cmuZHiWQkB1zp/Bm1SqOHV62WNsGUz4PvZZYOK0gyOVDOow6+nbgQ/pcTeUUnVtQtQXyGzEWmSx3OjB+GCRQ= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Reznor 50K ceiling hung natural gas heater probem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3551111527065840248== boundary="=====================_51373048==.ALT" --=====================_51373048==.ALT At 04:43 PM 10/22/2022, you wrote: >Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day... >Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the >pilot lit Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out > >lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill > >pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button... flame is on the >thermocouple >what you think >>> bad thermocouple ??? John, Could be the thermocouple. How old is the unit. I have a set of gas logs that has the same sort of set up. But when I turn them on for the 1st time, I have to really heat up the thermocouple with a lighter for quite a while, other wise the pilot lite goes out. I think it's just that the thermocouple is cold and doesn't heat up quickly. consiquently turning off the pilot light when you release the "start" button. I'd say try holding the "start" button on for at least a minute or try using a lighter to heat it up for at least a minute or two and see if that works. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_51373048==.ALT At 04:43 PM 10/22/2022, you wrote:

>Winter's coming...thought I'd light the pilot and be ahead of that first cold day...

>Pressed in the pilot button... propane torch up the hole... after a few seconds the
>pilot lit  Held the button for 30 seconds and let it go...flame goes out
>
>lowered the pilot assembly to see what happens ...same drill
>
>pilot lights.... then goes out when releasing the pilot button...   flame is on the
>thermocouple

>what you think >>>  bad thermocouple ???

John,

Could be the thermocouple.  How old is the unit.  I have a set of gas logs that has
the same sort of set up.  But when I turn them on for the 1st time,  I have to really
heat up the thermocouple with a lighter for quite a while, other wise the pilot lite
goes out.  I think it's just that the thermocouple is cold and doesn't heat up quickly.
consiquently turning off the pilot light when you release the "start" button.

I'd say try holding the "start" button on for at least a minute or try using a lighter
to heat it up for at least a minute or two and see if that works.

John


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John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 


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It appears the tire machine is now working: "Thank you all who responded to my request for help. With guidance from several and in particular Oliver Viitamaki I have managed to figure out the wiring and the machine is running beautifully. " ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller ------=_NextPart_000_07AD_01D8E84A.B4C2D140 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to those who = responded!  It appears the tire machine is now = working:

 

“Thank you all who responded to my request for = help. 

With guidance from = several and in particular Oliver Viitamaki I have managed to figure = out the wiring and the machine is running = beautifully. “

 

----------------

All the best,

 

Al = Fuller

 

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