Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electronic Parking Brakes

From: Arvid Jedlicka <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 18:13:36 -0500

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I know that on my Golf you need to disable\retract the electronic parking
brake via an app that plugs into the OBD connector before doing any work on
the brakes. Failure to do so and just forcing the pistons back to install
ne pads will damage the parking break mechanism.

I suspect that may be what happened here.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 5:41 PM John T. Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> Hey gang,
>
> My nephew came over last weekend to work on his 2019 Honda Civic.  He's
> getting an "Electronic Parking Brake" error.
>
> I'd never head of such a thing, and electronic parking brake?
>
> I did a little research on youtube and found out what it is, and sure
> enough
> it IS and electronic parking brake!
>
> So I had some idea what to look for and at when he got here.
>
> He'd had someone replace his rear pads for him.  After that, he started
> getting the error.   The fellow that did the job said, he didn't know
> anything
> about the electronic parking brakes.  So my thought was that he'd
> disconnected the connector and hadn't put it back.
>
> Well we were lucky.  After we jacked it up and had it on stands, we pulled
> the drivers side first and look at the connector.  It was
> connected.  So I figured, maybe he hadn't do the manual reset of the
> motor.  So I pulled the
> motor and tried to manually turn the sprocket.  NO go.  After a little more
> diagnostics, listening to the motor on the passengers side and hearing the
> motor turn when you set and released the brake, and listening to the
> driver's
> side motor and NOT hearing anything, we concluded it was bad.
>
> So I start looking for a replacement part.  No dealer appears to have any
> as
> they are on National Backorder with no expected delivery date.
>
> Unfortunately, the parking brake system is REQUIRED to hold the car for
> State Inspection here in VA.  So my nephew can't get his car state
> inspected.
> So technically he shouldn't be driving the car.  But as everyone knows, you
> need a car to get to your job.
>
> So any one with a car with an electronic parking brake (EPB)be leary.  I'm
> supprised at the cars that have the EPB system.  Most recient Hondas, BMW
> Lincolns, etc.
>
> Looks to me like a case where the engineers got carried away with the idea
> that electronics don't fail, but mechanical parts do!
>
> John
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I know that on my Golf you need to disable\retract the el=
ectronic parking brake via an app that plugs into the OBD connector before =
doing any work on the brakes. Failure to do so and just forcing the pistons=
 back to install ne pads will damage the parking break mechanism.=C2=A0<div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I suspect that may be what happen=
ed here.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 5:41 PM John T. Blair &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hey gang,<br>
<br>
My nephew came over last weekend to work on his 2019 Honda Civic.=C2=A0 He&=
#39;s<br>
getting an &quot;Electronic Parking Brake&quot; error.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d never head of such a thing, and electronic parking brake?<br>
<br>
I did a little research on youtube and found out what it is, and sure enoug=
h<br>
it IS and electronic parking brake!<br>
<br>
So I had some idea what to look for and at when he got here.<br>
<br>
He&#39;d had someone replace his rear pads for him.=C2=A0 After that, he st=
arted<br>
getting the error.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The fellow that did the job said, he didn&#3=
9;t know anything<br>
about the electronic parking brakes.=C2=A0 So my thought was that he&#39;d =
<br>
disconnected the connector and hadn&#39;t put it back.<br>
<br>
Well we were lucky.=C2=A0 After we jacked it up and had it on stands, we pu=
lled<br>
the drivers side first and look at the connector.=C2=A0 It was <br>
connected.=C2=A0 So I figured, maybe he hadn&#39;t do the manual reset of t=
he <br>
motor.=C2=A0 So I pulled the<br>
motor and tried to manually turn the sprocket.=C2=A0 NO go.=C2=A0 After a l=
ittle more<br>
diagnostics, listening to the motor on the passengers side and hearing the<=
br>
motor turn when you set and released the brake, and listening to the driver=
&#39;s<br>
side motor and NOT hearing anything, we concluded it was bad.<br>
<br>
So I start looking for a replacement part.=C2=A0 No dealer appears to have =
any as<br>
they are on National Backorder with no expected delivery date.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, the parking brake system is REQUIRED to hold the car for<br>
State Inspection here in VA.=C2=A0 So my nephew can&#39;t get his car state=
 inspected.<br>
So technically he shouldn&#39;t be driving the car.=C2=A0 But as everyone k=
nows, you<br>
need a car to get to your job.<br>
<br>
So any one with a car with an electronic parking brake (EPB)be leary.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;m<br>
supprised at the cars that have the EPB system.=C2=A0 Most recient Hondas, =
BMW<br>
Lincolns, etc.<br>
<br>
Looks to me like a case where the engineers got carried away with the idea<=
br>
that electronics don&#39;t fail, but mechanical parts do!<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:12:05 -0500

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Exactly this. If it's the sort that you actuate via a switch, you have to
disable it via software--or maybe hardware on some cars--before you retract
the pistons. I'm not sure about Hondas, it might just need to be reset like
the oil change interval.

Scott

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 6:54 PM Arvid Jedlicka <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"auto">Exactly this. If it&#39;s the sort that you actuate via a=
 switch, you have to disable it via software--or maybe hardware on some car=
s--before you retract the pistons. I&#39;m not sure about Hondas, it might =
just need to be reset like the oil change interval.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 6:54 PM Arvid Jedlick=
a &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I know that =
on my Golf you need to disable\retract the electronic parking brake via an =
app that plugs into the OBD connector before doing any work on the brakes. =
Failure to do so and just forcing the pistons back to install ne pads will =
damage the parking break mechanism.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">I suspect that may be what happened here.=C2=A0</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Au=
g 9, 2022, 5:41 PM John T. Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hey gang,<br>
<br>
My nephew came over last weekend to work on his 2019 Honda Civic.=C2=A0 He&=
#39;s<br>
getting an &quot;Electronic Parking Brake&quot; error.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d never head of such a thing, and electronic parking brake?<br>
<br>
I did a little research on youtube and found out what it is, and sure enoug=
h<br>
it IS and electronic parking brake!<br>
<br>
So I had some idea what to look for and at when he got here.<br>
<br>
He&#39;d had someone replace his rear pads for him.=C2=A0 After that, he st=
arted<br>
getting the error.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The fellow that did the job said, he didn&#3=
9;t know anything<br>
about the electronic parking brakes.=C2=A0 So my thought was that he&#39;d =
<br>
disconnected the connector and hadn&#39;t put it back.<br>
<br>
Well we were lucky.=C2=A0 After we jacked it up and had it on stands, we pu=
lled<br>
the drivers side first and look at the connector.=C2=A0 It was <br>
connected.=C2=A0 So I figured, maybe he hadn&#39;t do the manual reset of t=
he <br>
motor.=C2=A0 So I pulled the<br>
motor and tried to manually turn the sprocket.=C2=A0 NO go.=C2=A0 After a l=
ittle more<br>
diagnostics, listening to the motor on the passengers side and hearing the<=
br>
motor turn when you set and released the brake, and listening to the driver=
&#39;s<br>
side motor and NOT hearing anything, we concluded it was bad.<br>
<br>
So I start looking for a replacement part.=C2=A0 No dealer appears to have =
any as<br>
they are on National Backorder with no expected delivery date.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, the parking brake system is REQUIRED to hold the car for<br>
State Inspection here in VA.=C2=A0 So my nephew can&#39;t get his car state=
 inspected.<br>
So technically he shouldn&#39;t be driving the car.=C2=A0 But as everyone k=
nows, you<br>
need a car to get to your job.<br>
<br>
So any one with a car with an electronic parking brake (EPB)be leary.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;m<br>
supprised at the cars that have the EPB system.=C2=A0 Most recient Hondas, =
BMW<br>
Lincolns, etc.<br>
<br>
Looks to me like a case where the engineers got carried away with the idea<=
br>
that electronics don&#39;t fail, but mechanical parts do!<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailt=
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