Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Finishing a tricky ceiling

From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:09:37 -0400

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How about polycarbonate panels like they use for greenhouse roofs? It's
obviously completely waterproof. You can get clear if you don't mind seeing
whatever accumulates on top of it or something opaque if you want it to
look nice and don't mind pulling a panel down to look at what's going on up
there.

-Paul

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Got a hankering for some opinions...
>
> We have a small room under our basement.  About 4' by 12', it is
> directly underneath our front porch.  We refer to it as the "bomb
> shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and
> the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace.
>
> As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the
> perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides
> and has a roof over it.  The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by
> laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like
> floors in commercial buildings.  The main problem is that the pan was
> not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty
> metal particles and chunks into the room.
>
> I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets
> all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves.  It must be
> removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also
> be moisture-resistant.  I have some idea of what I might do, but the
> collective wisdom can often be much sharper than me alone.   Any
> ideas?  Once I solve the ceiling, I'm going to dry-lok the walls and
> finish it a little nicer so I can store shop supplies down there.
>
> Picture of the ceiling:
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">How about polycarbonate panels like they =
use for greenhouse roofs? It&#39;s obviously completely waterproof. You can=
 get clear if you don&#39;t mind seeing whatever accumulates on top of it o=
r something opaque if you want it to look nice and don&#39;t mind pulling a=
 panel down to look at what&#39;s going on up there.<div><br></div><div>-Pa=
ul</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Got a hankering for some opinions=
...<br>
<br>
We have a small room under our basement.=C2=A0 About 4&#39; by 12&#39;, it =
is<br>
directly underneath our front porch.=C2=A0 We refer to it as the &quot;bomb=
<br>
shelter&quot; as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and<=
br>
the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace.<br>
<br>
As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around the<br>
perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three sides<br>
and has a roof over it.=C2=A0 The ceiling is the porch floor, installed by<=
br>
laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like<br>
floors in commercial buildings.=C2=A0 The main problem is that the pan was<=
br>
not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty<br>
metal particles and chunks into the room.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it gets<=
br>
all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves.=C2=A0 It must be<br>
removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also<br>
be moisture-resistant.=C2=A0 I have some idea of what I might do, but the<b=
r>
collective wisdom can often be much sharper than me alone.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Any<=
br>
ideas?=C2=A0 Once I solve the ceiling, I&#39;m going to dry-lok the walls a=
nd<br>
finish it a little nicer so I can store shop supplies down there.<br>
<br>
Picture of the ceiling:<br><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:23:50 -0500

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Jeff,=20

The first thing that comes to mind is to blast the metal & then coat it with=
 a etching, high solids primer like the Rusolium that is used on airplanes &=
 CONEX containers. The other coating that comes to mind is a a rubberized co=
ating.  Both will  contain the rusty cruft & also give you an indication of w=
here major damage locations are by bubbling.=20

I probably wouldn=E2=80=99t put up a real ceiling because=20
I wouldn=E2=80=99t want any water to accumulate in or above the ceiling beca=
use the water could cause mold or if it is a waterproof ceiling would be a m=
ess to remove when wet.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFGot a hankering for some opinions...

Picture of the ceiling:

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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:52 -0400

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I used panels like that to =E2=80=98waterproof=E2=80=99 an area under =
our deck to store my lawnmower and other garden tools.  In our case, the =
deck is just composite boards with about 1/8=E2=80=9D spacing, so the =
rain does fall straight through.  I used shims to pitch the area =
slightly to one end and then installed a piece of gutter with a drain to =
an out of the way area.  It has worked fine, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t want =
to have to remove it periodically to check the condition of the upper =
surface. Something like this would be more work to install, but I have =
seen brands of this type of system that have easily removable panels.  =
https://raintightdecks.com/under-deck-ceiling/

> On Jun 3, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> How about polycarbonate panels like they use for greenhouse roofs? =
It's obviously completely waterproof. You can get clear if you don't =
mind seeing whatever accumulates on top of it or something opaque if you =
want it to look nice and don't mind pulling a panel down to look at =
what's going on up there.
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> -Paul
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked] =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
used panels like that to =E2=80=98waterproof=E2=80=99 an area under our =
deck to store my lawnmower and other garden tools. &nbsp;In our case, =
the deck is just composite boards with about 1/8=E2=80=9D spacing, so =
the rain does fall straight through. &nbsp;I used shims to pitch the =
area slightly to one end and then installed a piece of gutter with a =
drain to an out of the way area. &nbsp;It has worked fine, but I =
wouldn=E2=80=99t want to have to remove it periodically to check the =
condition of the upper surface. Something like this would be more work =
to install, but I have seen brands of this type of system that have =
easily removable panels. &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://raintightdecks.com/under-deck-ceiling/" =
class=3D"">https://raintightdecks.com/under-deck-ceiling/</a><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 3, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Paul Parkanzky &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">How about =
polycarbonate panels like they use for greenhouse roofs? It's obviously =
completely waterproof. You can get clear if you don't mind seeing =
whatever accumulates on top of it or something opaque if you want it to =
look nice and don't mind pulling a panel down to look at what's going on =
up there.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">-Paul</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Jeff =
Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Got a hankering for some =
opinions...<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
We have a small room under our basement.&nbsp; About 4' by 12', it is<br =
class=3D"">
directly underneath our front porch.&nbsp; We refer to it as the =
"bomb<br class=3D"">
shelter" as it is all cinderblock and earth-sheltered on one side,and<br =
class=3D"">
the other three sides are adjacent to basement rooms or crawlspace.<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
As it is under the porch, there is occasional water seepage around =
the<br class=3D"">
perimeter - mostly when we wash the porch (it is walled on three =
sides<br class=3D"">
and has a roof over it.&nbsp; The ceiling is the porch floor, installed =
by<br class=3D"">
laying a metal pan down and pouring the porch slab on top (much like<br =
class=3D"">
floors in commercial buildings.&nbsp; The main problem is that the pan =
was<br class=3D"">
not galvanized, and so it rains a constant shower of little rusty<br =
class=3D"">
metal particles and chunks into the room.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I'd like to put a ceiling in there to catch all of that before it =
gets<br class=3D"">
all over the stuff that I have stored on the shelves.&nbsp; It must =
be<br class=3D"">
removable so I can check the pan for imminent failure, and must also<br =
class=3D"">
be moisture-resistant.&nbsp; I have some idea of what I might do, but =
the<br class=3D"">
collective wisdom can often be much sharper than me alone.&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Any<br class=3D"">
ideas?&nbsp; Once I solve the ceiling, I'm going to dry-lok the walls =
and<br class=3D"">
finish it a little nicer so I can store shop supplies down there.<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Picture of the ceiling:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote></div></div>
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