Subject: [Shop-talk] Password management -- was HP M110we printer drivers

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:20:50 -0400

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Well, I just looked in my password manager and I have a similar number =
of passwords. It looks like about 420 at current count, so I use a =
password manager program. Currently I use LastPass =E2=80=93 using the =
premium version so I can get access on both mobile and desktop. I may be =
migrating to BitWarden this year, after giving it a trial period running =
alongside the other.=20

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The two main advantages I see are [1] I only have to remember a single =
[long, complex] master password, as opposed to trying to remember =
various for each site, and [2] the software generates long, random =
passwords that are near-impossible to break =E2=80=93 especially when =
each site gets its own password [and soon, maybe random generated =
usernames, too]. A sample password would be =E2=80=9C  =
No8U6T#r3@nEEsjvlQrknCwJfUGD   =E2=80=9D.  It would take until the end =
of the universe using current computing to brute force that!

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With individual, complex passwords I am more secure knowing that when =
some company I do business with gets hacked, all I have to change is the =
single password they have =E2=80=93 as opposed to trying to figure out =
which other sites I used the same password on.

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All the best,

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Al Fuller

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jeff =
Scarbrough
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:27 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers

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>  I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them?

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I have a password system that allows me to create a unique password for =
each site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have =
forgotten it.  I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served =
me well.  Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but =
everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature =
tying it to a group.  Since you all are clever people, you can figure =
something out.  Add a common element to make the passwords long enough =
(passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go.  You wind up with some =
combination of  [common part + group part + unique part]  The hardest =
part is changing all the passwords!

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And after a 35 year career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, =
I am amused to say that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me =
with the system.  I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my =
own.  I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how much =
easier my modern life is.

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair <[email-masked] =

At 09:53 AM 6/22/2022, you wrote:

>Eric, moving more off topic, do smart products, like an air conditioner =
I can=20
>ontrol from my iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same=20
>ecurity hole?,=20

Jim,

I can't say for all, but I just bought a "U" window AC unit.  There is =
an app for
it you have to down load.  When we did, it wanted access to everything =
on our
smart phone.  So we deleted the app.  It doesn't need access to anything =
on=20
my smart phone. =20

This how "smart" thing is getting rediculous.  All these web sites that =
require a=20
log on to even "window" shop.  I now have about 400 passwords, and I'm =
supposed to remember them?  Same thing with apps.  If I can go to a site =
with
my browser on my desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on =
my
cell phone?  I've quit going to all those sites.  But I doubt they will =
get the=20
message.

John

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Well, I just looked in my =
password manager and I have a similar number of passwords. It looks like =
about 420 at current count, so I use a password manager program. =
Currently I use LastPass =E2=80=93 using the premium version so I can =
get access on both mobile and desktop. I may be migrating to BitWarden =
this year, after giving it a trial period running alongside the other. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The two main advantages I see are [1] I only have to =
remember a single [long, complex] master password, as opposed to trying =
to remember various for each site, and [2] the software generates long, =
random passwords that are near-impossible to break =E2=80=93 especially =
when each site gets its own password [and soon, maybe random generated =
usernames, too]. A sample password would be =E2=80=9C=C2=A0 =
No8U6T#r3@nEEsjvlQrknCwJfUGD=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It would take =
until the end of the universe using current computing to brute force =
that!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>With individual, complex passwords I am more secure =
knowing that when some company I do business with gets hacked, all I =
have to change is the single password they have =E2=80=93 as opposed to =
trying to figure out which other sites I used the same password =
on.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff =
Scarbrough<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:27 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Shop-talk] HP M110we printer drivers<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>I now =
have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember =
them?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>I have a =
password&nbsp;system that allows me to create a unique password for each =
site, but I can figure out what it is by the system if I have forgotten =
it.&nbsp; I keep a list for backup (on paper), but this has served me =
well.&nbsp; Obviously I don't want to go into too much detail, but =
everything that needs a password has one unique feature, and one feature =
tying it to a group.&nbsp; Since you all are clever people, you can =
figure something out.&nbsp; Add a common element to make the passwords =
long enough (passphrase or acronym) and you are good to go.&nbsp; You =
wind up with some combination of&nbsp; [common part + group part + =
unique part]&nbsp; The hardest part is changing all the =
passwords!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>And after a 35 year =
career as an engineer with one foot in the IT world, I am amused to say =
that it was my 80-year-old father who provided me with&nbsp;the =
system.&nbsp; I'm not sure I ever would have thought of it on my =
own.&nbsp; I don't know where he got it from, but I'm grateful for how =
much easier my modern life is.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM John T. Blair &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>At 09:53 =
AM 6/22/2022, you wrote:<br><br>&gt;Eric, moving more off topic, do =
smart products, like an air conditioner I can <br>&gt;ontrol from my =
iPhone, or web based security cameras, present the same <br>&gt;ecurity =
hole?, <br><br>Jim,<br><br>I can't say for all, but I just bought a =
&quot;U&quot; window AC unit.&nbsp; There is an app for<br>it you have =
to down load.&nbsp; When we did, it wanted access to everything on =
our<br>smart phone.&nbsp; So we deleted the app.&nbsp; It doesn't need =
access to anything on <br>my smart phone.&nbsp; <br><br>This how =
&quot;smart&quot; thing is getting rediculous.&nbsp; All these web sites =
that require a <br>log on to even &quot;window&quot; shop.&nbsp; I now =
have about 400 passwords, and I'm supposed to remember them?&nbsp; Same =
thing with apps.&nbsp; If I can go to a site with<br>my browser on my =
desk top, WHY do I need an app to do the same thing on my<br>cell =
phone?&nbsp; I've quit going to all those sites.&nbsp; But I doubt they =
will get the <br>message.<br><br>John</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal>John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
email:&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Va. Beach, =
Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) =
495-8229<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4 =
Series V (B1106)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 =
(#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77 Spitfire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett =
III<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; 65 Rambler Classic<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a =
href=3D"http://www.bricklin.org/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If you =
can read =
this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; - Thank a teacher!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If =
you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>From =
Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, &quot;from =
many, one.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We =
Trust<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; =
power&nbsp; of&nbsp; choosing,&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; =
acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; oneself; freedom&nbsp; =
from&nbsp; control&nbsp; or&nbsp; restriction&nbsp; =
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