Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping antique wooden propellers

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 16:20:17 -0700

I can't advise on a shipper, but you are wise to be cautious. Years ago, 
I was in a partnership for a Cherokee 180, which needed to have its prop 
replaced (ground down one too many times). After a lot of (internet) 
shopping, we found a serviceable prop, and had it shipped to us; it 
arrived damaged (we sent it back). After much more shopping around, we 
found another; the mechanics had it hung on the engine before they 
discovered it had a golfball-sized gouge on the trailing edge, as if it 
had been speared by a forklift prong. Back to the interwebs. We found 
yet another serviceable prop and had it shipped, this time with $1M 
insurance on it--it arrived undamaged. I don't recall all the shippers, 
but the final shipment was by FedEx (we might have tried UPS as well). 
Props are an awkward size and shape for shipping, but a massive policy 
on them seems to warrant extra care from the shippers.

On 4/9/2022 4:07 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
> My great grandfather was one of the country’s first manufacturer’s of wooden airplane propellers and his personal collection of 7 props was sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died.  I, and other members of my family, have worked for many years to have them returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week.  We had a family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go to the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky.  (It isn’t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to add that 6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are buying their first prop.  Those of my generation have been searching them out and snapping them up for years, and most of us already own one or two*.)
>
> Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.  The props are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8’ long; one is 10’.  The good thing about wooden props is that they don’t weigh much, but they will need to be handled carefully.  We are planning on shipping them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY will be handled separately) and need to find a shipper who can pack them up in GA and get them to the west coast and Chicago.  This is a long shot, but does anyone here have any contacts or direct knowledge of a shipper that might be appropriate for the job?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> *Shop content: My props hang on the inside wall adjacent to my shop.  :)
>

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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 16:31:34 -0700

ps. Wooden props are works of art; your grandpa must have been a real 
craftsman.

On 4/9/2022 4:20 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> I can't advise on a shipper, but you are wise to be cautious. Years 
> ago, I was in a partnership for a Cherokee 180, which needed to have 
> its prop replaced (ground down one too many times). After a lot of 
> (internet) shopping, we found a serviceable prop, and had it shipped 
> to us; it arrived damaged (we sent it back). After much more shopping 
> around, we found another; the mechanics had it hung on the engine 
> before they discovered it had a golfball-sized gouge on the trailing 
> edge, as if it had been speared by a forklift prong. Back to the 
> interwebs. We found yet another serviceable prop and had it shipped, 
> this time with $1M insurance on it--it arrived undamaged. I don't 
> recall all the shippers, but the final shipment was by FedEx (we might 
> have tried UPS as well). Props are an awkward size and shape for 
> shipping, but a massive policy on them seems to warrant extra care 
> from the shippers.
>
>> My great grandfather was one of the country’s first manufacturer’s of 
>> wooden airplane propellers and his personal collection of 7 props was 
>> sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died.  I, and other 
>> members of my family, have worked for many years to have them 
>> returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week.  We had a 
>> family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go to 
>> the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky.  (It 
>> isn’t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to add 
>> that 6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are 
>> buying their first prop.  Those of my generation have been searching 
>> them out and snapping them up for years, and most of us already own 
>> one or two*.)
>>
>> Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.  The props 
>> are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8’ long; one is 
>> 10’.  The good thing about wooden props is that they don’t weigh 
>> much, but they will need to be handled carefully.  We are planning on 
>> shipping them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY will be 
>> handled separately) and need to find a shipper who can pack them up 
>> in GA and get them to the west coast and Chicago.  This is a long 
>> shot, but does anyone here have any contacts or direct knowledge of a 
>> shipper that might be appropriate for the job?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>

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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 19:58:38 -0400

He was!  The Smithsonian has one of his props.  He was a cabinet maker at one point and specialized in ivory inlaid cabinets for early Edison phonographs.  He later carved wooden molds for ships’ propellers in Liverpool, prior to becoming enamored of the early airplane industry.  I never met him, but have felt an affinity for him my whole life, as neither my father nor my grandfather had much interest in shop stuff.  I always had a tool in my hand growing up and assume that had to have come from him.  I am really disappointed not to have been able to buy one of the ones from his collection (many of them are signed and dated) but really happy that they are back in the family.

> On Apr 9, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> ps. Wooden props are works of art; your grandpa must have been a real craftsman.
> 
> 
>> I can't advise on a shipper, but you are wise to be cautious. Years ago, I was in a partnership for a Cherokee 180, which needed to have its prop replaced (ground down one too many times). After a lot of (internet) shopping, we found a serviceable prop, and had it shipped to us; it arrived damaged (we sent it back). After much more shopping around, we found another; the mechanics had it hung on the engine before they discovered it had a golfball-sized gouge on the trailing edge, as if it had been speared by a forklift prong. Back to the interwebs. We found yet another serviceable prop and had it shipped, this time with $1M insurance on it--it arrived undamaged. I don't recall all the shippers, but the final shipment was by FedEx (we might have tried UPS as well). Props are an awkward size and shape for shipping, but a massive policy on them seems to warrant extra care from the shippers.
>> 
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From: Mike Sinclair <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 20:27:32 -0700

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It might be a similar cost to take them yourself, if you have a vehicle 
to handle them.  Don't all shop guys have pickups?  Yes, there is time 
involved, but these are irreplaceable.  Just a thought.

Mike

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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 08:28:27 -0400

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Mike: that was actually my original plan, at least for the non-west =
coast props.  Unfortunately, while I do have a pickup, it is a Honda =
Ridgeline and the bed is too short to safely transport most of them.  =
That said, Moose=E2=80=99s generous offer (this is definitely the most =
incredible email list ever!) might change the dynamics.  Moose: Thank =
you!!  I am just about to leave the house to go do some handyman work =
for my daughter, but will contact you separately later today. =20

Also, for anyone interested, here are a couple of photos.  I kept out =
some of the details trying to keep the initial post as focused on the =
question as possible, but as you can see, one of the props isn=E2=80=99t =
wood.

MJ invented and held the patent on the hollow core metal prop.  This may =
well be the first one and it was the only one in the collection I really =
wanted.

Thanks again everyone!

Jim

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 5:24 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> The whole deal would be how you package them.  Just so happens, I have =
large long pelican cases that they would fit into.=20
>=20
> I would be more than happy to donate any cases that would fit the =
props to you if you paid for shipping.  Once in a case (with the foam =
around it) I can't image that there is much that can happen.=20
>=20
> Once of the cases should fit the 10' (I'll have to measure it for =
sure.) and I have another one that will do an 8'.  If you have shorter =
ones, I have more smaller cases.=20
>=20
> Just let me know.=20
>=20
> Moose.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From:        Jim Stone <[email-masked]>=20
> To:        Shop Talk <[email-masked]>=20
> Date:        04/09/2022 19:08=20
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Shipping antique wooden propellers=20
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>=20
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> My great grandfather was one of the country=E2=80=99s first =
manufacturer=E2=80=99s of wooden airplane propellers and his personal =
collection of 7 props was sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he =
died.  I, and other members of my family, have worked for many years to =
have them returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week.  We =
had a family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go =
to the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky.  (It =
isn=E2=80=99t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to =
add that 6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are =
buying their first prop.  Those of my generation have been searching =
them out and snapping them up for years, and most of us already own one =
or two*.)
>=20
> Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.  The props =
are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8=E2=80=99 long; one =
is 10=E2=80=99.  The good thing about wooden props is that they don=E2=80=99=
t weigh much, but they will need to be handled carefully.  We are =
planning on shipping them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY =
will be handled separately) and need to find a shipper who can pack them =
up in GA and get them to the west coast and Chicago.  This is a long =
shot, but does anyone here have any contacts or direct knowledge of a =
shipper that might be appropriate for the job?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jim
>=20
> *Shop content: My props hang on the inside wall adjacent to my shop.  =
:)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Mike:=
 that was actually my original plan, at least for the non-west coast =
props. &nbsp;Unfortunately, while I do have a pickup, it is a Honda =
Ridgeline and the bed is too short to safely transport most of them. =
&nbsp;That said, Moose=E2=80=99s generous offer (this is definitely the =
most incredible email list ever!) might change the dynamics. =
&nbsp;Moose: Thank you!! &nbsp;I am just about to leave the house to go =
do some handyman work for my daughter, but will contact you separately =
later today. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Also, for anyone interested, here are a couple of photos. =
&nbsp;I kept out some of the details trying to keep the initial post as =
focused on the question as possible, but as you can see, one of the =
props isn=E2=80=99t wood.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><img apple-inline=3D"yes" =
id=3D"F5E8F725-1141-437A-87A5-30EAF1400355" =
src=3D"cid:3F858E7F-C98E-4B81-A1C6-757BEED71F5D" class=3D""><img =
apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"B342E241-3B7A-4965-9FDE-D7229D85E223" =
src=3D"cid:3C4DA866-6526-41E5-99E3-4595D23A6E16" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div>MJ invented and held the patent on the =
hollow core metal prop. &nbsp;This may well be the first one and it was =
the only one in the collection I really wanted.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><img apple-inline=3D"yes" =
id=3D"7322F5F6-FE19-4803-AE75-516DB247C440" =
src=3D"cid:874ACCEB-25D3-4FD4-9D36-64EBCC3BD9BA" class=3D""><img =
apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"B588B35D-B906-46FC-BE39-B44094608C0A" =
src=3D"cid:058B263D-8A14-4412-87DA-19A55B6DCE91" class=3D""></div><div><br=
 class=3D""></div><div>Thanks again everyone!</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Jim</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
10, 2022, at 5:24 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">The whole deal would be how you package
them. &nbsp;Just so happens, I have large long pelican cases that they
would fit into.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I would =
be more than happy to donate
any cases that would fit the props to you if you paid for shipping. =
&nbsp;Once
in a case (with the foam around it) I can't image that there is much =
that
can happen.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Once of =
the cases should fit the 10'
(I'll have to measure it for sure.) and I have another one that will do
an 8'. &nbsp;If you have shorter ones, I have more smaller cases.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Just let =
me know.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Moose.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Jim Stone =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
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&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Shop Talk =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">04/09/2022 =
19:08</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">[Shop-talk]
Shipping antique wooden propellers</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
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<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><tt class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">My great =
grandfather was one of the country=E2=80=99s first
manufacturer=E2=80=99s of wooden airplane propellers and his personal =
collection
of 7 props was sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died. =
&nbsp;I,
and other members of my family, have worked for many years to have them
returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week. &nbsp;We had
a family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go to
the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky. =
&nbsp;(It
isn=E2=80=99t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to =
add that
6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are buying =
their
first prop. &nbsp;Those of my generation have been searching them out =
and
snapping them up for years, and most of us already own one or two*.)<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners. &nbsp;The =
props
are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8=E2=80=99 long; one =
is 10=E2=80=99.
&nbsp;The good thing about wooden props is that they don=E2=80=99t weigh =
much,
but they will need to be handled carefully. &nbsp;We are planning on =
shipping
them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY will be handled =
separately)
and need to find a shipper who can pack them up in GA and get them to =
the
west coast and Chicago. &nbsp;This is a long shot, but does anyone here
have any contacts or direct knowledge of a shipper that might be =
appropriate
for the job?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Thanks,<br class=3D"">
Jim<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
*Shop content: My props hang on the inside wall adjacent to my shop. =
&nbsp;:)<br class=3D"">
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Those look amazing, and with the family connection, they are beyond
priceless.  Thanks for sharing with us!

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 08:37 Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Mike: that was actually my original plan, at least for the non-west coast
> props.  Unfortunately, while I do have a pickup, it is a Honda Ridgeline
> and the bed is too short to safely transport most of them.  That said,
> Moose=E2=80=99s generous offer (this is definitely the most incredible em=
ail list
> ever!) might change the dynamics.  Moose: Thank you!!  I am just about to
> leave the house to go do some handyman work for my daughter, but will
> contact you separately later today.
>
> Also, for anyone interested, here are a couple of photos.  I kept out som=
e
> of the details trying to keep the initial post as focused on the question
> as possible, but as you can see, one of the props isn=E2=80=99t wood.
>
>
> MJ invented and held the patent on the hollow core metal prop.  This may
> well be the first one and it was the only one in the collection I really
> wanted.
>
>
> Thanks again everyone!
>
> Jim
>
>
> The whole deal would be how you package them.  Just so happens, I have
> large long pelican cases that they would fit into.
>
> I would be more than happy to donate any cases that would fit the props t=
o
> you if you paid for shipping.  Once in a case (with the foam around it) I
> can't image that there is much that can happen.
>
> Once of the cases should fit the 10' (I'll have to measure it for sure.)
> and I have another one that will do an 8'.  If you have shorter ones, I
> have more smaller cases.
>
> Just let me know.
>
> Moose.
>
>
>
> From:        Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
> To:        Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
> Date:        04/09/2022 19:08
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Shipping antique wooden propellers
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> My great grandfather was one of the country=E2=80=99s first manufacturer=
=E2=80=99s of
> wooden airplane propellers and his personal collection of 7 props was sol=
d
> to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died.  I, and other members of my
> family, have worked for many years to have them returned to the family an=
d
> we finally succeeded last week.  We had a family lottery to find them new
> homes and 3 of them now need to go to the west coast, 3 to the Chicago ar=
ea
> and the last to Kentucky.  (It isn=E2=80=99t relevant to the question tha=
t follows,
> but it is nice to add that 6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the
> family that are buying their first prop.  Those of my generation have bee=
n
> searching them out and snapping them up for years, and most of us already
> own one or two*.)
>
> Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.  The props are
> 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8=E2=80=99 long; one is 1=
0=E2=80=99.  The
> good thing about wooden props is that they don=E2=80=99t weigh much, but =
they will
> need to be handled carefully.  We are planning on shipping them in two
> bundles of three props (the one to KY will be handled separately) and nee=
d
> to find a shipper who can pack them up in GA and get them to the west coa=
st
> and Chicago.  This is a long shot, but does anyone here have any contacts
> or direct knowledge of a shipper that might be appropriate for the job?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Those look amazing, and with the family connection, they =
are beyond priceless.=C2=A0 Thanks for sharing with us!</div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 10, 2022=
, 08:37 Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">1789alpine@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Mike: that was actua=
lly my original plan, at least for the non-west coast props.=C2=A0 Unfortun=
ately, while I do have a pickup, it is a Honda Ridgeline and the bed is too=
 short to safely transport most of them.=C2=A0 That said, Moose=E2=80=99s g=
enerous offer (this is definitely the most incredible email list ever!) mig=
ht change the dynamics.=C2=A0 Moose: Thank you!!=C2=A0 I am just about to l=
eave the house to go do some handyman work for my daughter, but will contac=
t you separately later today. =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Also, for anyone in=
terested, here are a couple of photos.=C2=A0 I kept out some of the details=
 trying to keep the initial post as focused on the question as possible, bu=
t as you can see, one of the props isn=E2=80=99t wood.</div><div><br></div>=
<div><img id=3D"m_4657432535912645780F5E8F725-1141-437A-87A5-30EAF1400355" =
src=3D"cid:3F858E7F-C98E-4B81-A1C6-757BEED71F5D"><img id=3D"m_4657432535912=
645780B342E241-3B7A-4965-9FDE-D7229D85E223" src=3D"cid:3C4DA866-6526-41E5-9=
9E3-4595D23A6E16"></div><div><br><div>MJ invented and held the patent on th=
e hollow core metal prop.=C2=A0 This may well be the first one and it was t=
he only one in the collection I really wanted.</div><div><br></div><div><im=
g id=3D"m_46574325359126457807322F5F6-FE19-4803-AE75-516DB247C440" src=3D"c=
id:874ACCEB-25D3-4FD4-9D36-64EBCC3BD9BA"><img id=3D"m_4657432535912645780B5=
88B35D-B906-46FC-BE39-B44094608C0A" src=3D"cid:058B263D-8A14-4412-87DA-19A5=
5B6DCE91"></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again everyone!</div><div><br></=
div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On=
 Apr 10, 2022, at 5:24 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The whole deal would be how you package
them.=C2=A0 Just so happens, I have large long pelican cases that they
would fit into.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I would be more than happy to dona=
te
any cases that would fit the props to you if you paid for shipping.=C2=A0 O=
nce
in a case (with the foam around it) I can&#39;t image that there is much th=
at
can happen.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Once of the cases should fit the 1=
0&#39;
(I&#39;ll have to measure it for sure.) and I have another one that will do
an 8&#39;.=C2=A0 If you have shorter ones, I have more smaller cases.</font=
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Just let me know.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">1789alpin=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">04/09/2022 19:08</font>
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=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Shipping antique wooden propellers</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Sent by: =C2=A0 =
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<br>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=3D"2">My great grandfather was one of the country=E2=80=
=99s first
manufacturer=E2=80=99s of wooden airplane propellers and his personal colle=
ction
of 7 props was sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died.=C2=A0 I,
and other members of my family, have worked for many years to have them
returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week.=C2=A0 We had
a family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go to
the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky. =C2=A0(It
isn=E2=80=99t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to add =
that
6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are buying their
first prop.=C2=A0 Those of my generation have been searching them out and
snapping them up for years, and most of us already own one or two*.)<br>
<br>
Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.=C2=A0 The props
are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8=E2=80=99 long; one is=
 10=E2=80=99.
=C2=A0The good thing about wooden props is that they don=E2=80=99t weigh mu=
ch,
but they will need to be handled carefully.=C2=A0 We are planning on shippi=
ng
them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY will be handled separatel=
y)
and need to find a shipper who can pack them up in GA and get them to the
west coast and Chicago.=C2=A0 This is a long shot, but does anyone here
have any contacts or direct knowledge of a shipper that might be appropriat=
e
for the job?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
*Shop content: My props hang on the inside wall adjacent to my shop. =C2=A0=
:)<br>
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
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Thanks, Jeff.  I hesitated to go into too much detail on exactly what we =
were shipping, but figured it was relevant and also thought a few guys =
would find the background interesting.

Jim

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Those look amazing, and with the family connection, they are beyond =
>=20
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 08:37 Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>=20
>=20
>=20
> MJ invented and held the patent on the hollow core metal prop.  This =
may well be the first one and it was the only one in the collection I =
really wanted.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Thanks again everyone!
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>=20
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 5:24 AM, [email-masked] =
>>=20
>> The whole deal would be how you package them.  Just so happens, I =
have large long pelican cases that they would fit into.=20
>>=20
>> Just let me know.=20
>>=20
>> Moose.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> From:        Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>> To:        Shop Talk <[email-masked] =
>> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
:)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Jeff. &nbsp;I hesitated to go into too much detail on =
exactly what we were shipping, but figured it was relevant and also =
thought a few guys would find the background interesting.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div><br=
 class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
10, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Those look amazing, and with the family =
connection, they are beyond priceless.&nbsp; Thanks for sharing with =
us!</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 08:37 Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" =
class=3D"">Mike: that was actually my original plan, at least for the =
non-west coast props.&nbsp; Unfortunately, while I do have a pickup, it =
is a Honda Ridgeline and the bed is too short to safely transport most =
of them.&nbsp; That said, Moose=E2=80=99s generous offer (this is =
definitely the most incredible email list ever!) might change the =
dynamics.&nbsp; Moose: Thank you!!&nbsp; I am just about to leave the =
house to go do some handyman work for my daughter, but will contact you =
separately later today. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Also, for anyone interested, here are a couple of =
photos.&nbsp; I kept out some of the details trying to keep the initial =
post as focused on the question as possible, but as you can see, one of =
the props isn=E2=80=99t wood.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><img =
id=3D"m_4657432535912645780F5E8F725-1141-437A-87A5-30EAF1400355" =
src=3D"cid:3F858E7F-C98E-4B81-A1C6-757BEED71F5D" class=3D""><img =
id=3D"m_4657432535912645780B342E241-3B7A-4965-9FDE-D7229D85E223" =
src=3D"cid:3C4DA866-6526-41E5-99E3-4595D23A6E16" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">MJ invented and held the =
patent on the hollow core metal prop.&nbsp; This may well be the first =
one and it was the only one in the collection I really wanted.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><img =
id=3D"m_46574325359126457807322F5F6-FE19-4803-AE75-516DB247C440" =
src=3D"cid:874ACCEB-25D3-4FD4-9D36-64EBCC3BD9BA" class=3D""><img =
id=3D"m_4657432535912645780B588B35D-B906-46FC-BE39-B44094608C0A" =
src=3D"cid:058B263D-8A14-4412-87DA-19A55B6DCE91" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks again =
everyone!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 10, 2022, at 5:24 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">The whole =
deal would be how you package
them.&nbsp; Just so happens, I have large long pelican cases that they
would fit into.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I would =
be more than happy to donate
any cases that would fit the props to you if you paid for =
shipping.&nbsp; Once
in a case (with the foam around it) I can't image that there is much =
that
can happen.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Once of =
the cases should fit the 10'
(I'll have to measure it for sure.) and I have another one that will do
an 8'.&nbsp; If you have shorter ones, I have more smaller cases.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Just let =
me know.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Moose.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Jim Stone =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Shop Talk =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">04/09/2022 =
19:08</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">[Shop-talk]
Shipping antique wooden propellers</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
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class=3D"">"Shop-talk"
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<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><tt class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">My great =
grandfather was one of the country=E2=80=99s first
manufacturer=E2=80=99s of wooden airplane propellers and his personal =
collection
of 7 props was sold to a collector in Savannah, GA when he died.&nbsp; =
I,
and other members of my family, have worked for many years to have them
returned to the family and we finally succeeded last week.&nbsp; We had
a family lottery to find them new homes and 3 of them now need to go to
the west coast, 3 to the Chicago area and the last to Kentucky. =
&nbsp;(It
isn=E2=80=99t relevant to the question that follows, but it is nice to =
add that
6 of the 7 are going to younger members of the family that are buying =
their
first prop.&nbsp; Those of my generation have been searching them out =
and
snapping them up for years, and most of us already own one or two*.)<br =
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Now comes the hard part: getting them to their new owners.&nbsp; The =
props
are 80 to 110 years old and most of them are around 8=E2=80=99 long; one =
is 10=E2=80=99.
&nbsp;The good thing about wooden props is that they don=E2=80=99t weigh =
much,
but they will need to be handled carefully.&nbsp; We are planning on =
shipping
them in two bundles of three props (the one to KY will be handled =
separately)
and need to find a shipper who can pack them up in GA and get them to =
the
west coast and Chicago.&nbsp; This is a long shot, but does anyone here
have any contacts or direct knowledge of a shipper that might be =
appropriate
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Jim<br class=3D"">
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*Shop content: My props hang on the inside wall adjacent to my shop. =
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