Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OEM Spark Plugs

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:30:44 -0500

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I was just thinking about this thread the other day!=20

I=E2=80=99ve never seen these plugs before. I just pulled the plugs on my 06=
 caravan & thought IT had long plugs. Must be an odd feeling when you unscre=
wed them.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Apr 16, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFIt has been quite a while since I asked this question but I finally=
 got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and wanted to share my tho=
ughts now that I have some experience.=20

The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus of the group: I cou=
ld not see any difference between the original plugs and the new ones. Here a=
re a couple of photos:

We=E2=80=99re on the road right now (my wife is driving) and there is no dis=
cernible difference that I can feel.

So, to confirm the group=E2=80=99s answer to my original question for anyone=
 else who might be curious, I=E2=80=99d say there is no reason to pay the ri=
diculous OEM markup for the exact same part. =20

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, w=
hich is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recomm=
ends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (=
it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to=
 take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a diff=
erent story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>=20
> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for the=
 plugs themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get them discoun=
ted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.  https://ww=
w.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r=
9pa01  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual li=
sts the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda b=
ox in the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (https://www.ngk.com/=
ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and you can find them at Roc=
k Auto for about $12.
>=20
> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box=
 are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group more t=
han fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in the Ho=
nda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
>=20
> Jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I was just thinking about this thread the o=
ther day!&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ve never seen these plugs befor=
e. I just pulled the plugs on my 06 caravan &amp; thought IT had long plugs.=
 Must be an odd feeling when you unscrewed them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><=
div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We supp=
ort Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On A=
pr 16, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=
=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">It has been quite a while since I asked this=
 question but I finally got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and=
 wanted to share my thoughts now that I have some experience.&nbsp;<div><br>=
</div><div>The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus of the g=
roup: I could not see any difference between the original plugs and the new o=
nes. Here are a couple of photos:</div><div><br></div><div><img alt=3D"image=
0.jpeg" src=3D"cid:B28777B6-811F-400B-B97E-22B5E711DCB6-L0-001"><img alt=3D"=
image1.jpeg" src=3D"cid:6A78474D-4CB1-4244-A63D-3216F607B50C-L0-001"><img al=
t=3D"image2.jpeg" src=3D"cid:33536E74-BDA0-4BEF-BB20-B5BD000C5B8E-L0-001"><b=
r></div><div><br>We=E2=80=99re on the road right now (my wife is driving) an=
d there is no discernible difference that I can feel.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>So, to confirm the group=E2=80=99s answer to my original question for any=
one else who might be curious, I=E2=80=99d say there is no reason to pay the=
 ridiculous OEM markup for the exact same part. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><=
div>Jim</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Stone &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching i=
ts 105,000 mile service, which is a big one. &nbsp;New timing belt is the ma=
in event, but Honda also recommends new spark plugs. &nbsp;I did the timing b=
elt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA=
 and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to take any chances on a newer, more valua=
ble vehicle. &nbsp;Spark plugs are a different story and the dealer gets ove=
r $300 to do those!<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The r=
eason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for the plugs t=
hemselves. &nbsp;They list at $55 <u class=3D"">each</u>, although you can g=
et them discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop arou=
nd. &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-sp=
ark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01" class=3D"">https://www.hondapartsconne=
ction.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01</a> &nbsp;B=
ut, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual lists the p=
lugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in th=
e above link. &nbsp;NGK lists that plug as $18 each (<a href=3D"https://www.=
ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug" class=3D"">https://w=
ww.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug</a>) and you can f=
ind them at Rock Auto for about $12.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></d=
iv><div class=3D"">Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plu=
gs in the NGK box are any different from the ones in the Honda box. &nbsp;I t=
rust this group more than fellow Ridgeline owners. &nbsp;What do you guys sa=
y? &nbsp;Are the plugs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an e=
xtra $170?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim</di=
v></div></blockquote></div><span>___________________________________________=
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:36:30 -0400

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Good observation!  It was disconcerting until I got used to it and in the be=
ginning kept pulling the socket off too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 16, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI was just thinking about this thread the other day!=20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve never seen these plugs before. I just pulled the plugs on my 0=
6 caravan & thought IT had long plugs. Must be an odd feeling when you unscr=
ewed them.=20
> =EF=BB=BFIt has been quite a while since I asked this question but I final=
ly got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and wanted to share my t=
houghts now that I have some experience.=20
>=20
> The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus of the group: I c=
ould not see any difference between the original plugs and the new ones. Her=
e are a couple of photos:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> We=E2=80=99re on the road right now (my wife is driving) and there is no d=
iscernible difference that I can feel.
>=20
> So, to confirm the group=E2=80=99s answer to my original question for anyo=
ne else who might be curious, I=E2=80=99d say there is no reason to pay the r=
idiculous OEM markup for the exact same part. =20
>> =EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service,=
 which is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also reco=
mmends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,00=
0 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want=
 to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a d=
ifferent story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>>=20
>> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for th=
e plugs themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get them discou=
nted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.  https://w=
ww.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290=
r9pa01  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual l=
ists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda=
 box in the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (https://www.ngk.co=
m/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and you can find them at R=
ock Auto for about $12.
>>=20
>> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK bo=
x are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group more=
 than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in the H=
onda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Good observation!&nbsp;&nbsp;It was disconc=
erting until I got used to it and in the beginning kept pulling the socket o=
ff too soon.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 16, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Pat Horne &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" conten=
t=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I was just thinking about this thread the o=
ther day!&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ve never seen these plugs befor=
e. I just pulled the plugs on my 06 caravan &amp; thought IT had long plugs.=
 Must be an odd feeling when you unscrewed them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><=
div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We supp=
ort Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On A=
pr 16, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=
=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">It has been quite a while since I asked this=
 question but I finally got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and=
 wanted to share my thoughts now that I have some experience.&nbsp;<div><br>=
</div><div>The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus of the g=
roup: I could not see any difference between the original plugs and the new o=
nes. Here are a couple of photos:</div><div><br></div><div><img alt=3D"image=
0.jpeg" src=3D"cid:343A5641-79B2-4453-B73C-554DF5063FC5"><img alt=3D"image1.=
jpeg" src=3D"cid:377D00E6-7FB0-4B8D-B6E8-35930FBF98FF"><img alt=3D"image2.jp=
eg" src=3D"cid:42749120-E7F5-4651-92D4-8941931F8032"><br></div><div><br>We=E2=
=80=99re on the road right now (my wife is driving) and there is no discerni=
ble difference that I can feel.</div><div><br></div><div>So, to confirm the g=
roup=E2=80=99s answer to my original question for anyone else who might be c=
urious, I=E2=80=99d say there is no reason to pay the ridiculous OEM markup f=
or the exact same part. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite">On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service,=
 which is a big one. &nbsp;New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also=
 recommends new spark plugs. &nbsp;I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline=
 at 220,000 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t th=
ink I want to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle. &nbsp;Spar=
k plugs are a different story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!<div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The reason changing plugs i=
s so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for the plugs themselves. &nbsp;They=
 list at $55 <u class=3D"">each</u>, although you can get them discounted fo=
r the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around. &nbsp;<a href=3D"=
https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-=
ngk-12290r9pa01" class=3D"">https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/h=
onda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01</a> &nbsp;But, here is where it g=
ets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B1=
1G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in the above link. &nbsp;N=
GK lists that plug as $18 each (<a href=3D"https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dil=
zkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug" class=3D"">https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-=
dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug</a>) and you can find them at Rock Auto=
 for about $12.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ri=
dgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box are=
 any different from the ones in the Honda box. &nbsp;I trust this group more=
 than fellow Ridgeline owners. &nbsp;What do you guys say? &nbsp;Are the plu=
gs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?</div><di=
v class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim</div></div></blockquot=
e></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><spa=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:27:03 -0700

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Those 'long' plugs are notorious, at least in some Ford V8 engines. The 
long threaded part is long so the plug tip will reach the combustion 
chamber in thick OHC engine heads. Those--the Ford plugs--are made in 
two parts, and are known to separate when being removed. Much hilarity 
ensues.

On 4/16/2022 9:30 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> I was just thinking about this thread the other day!
>
> I’ve never seen these plugs before. I just pulled the plugs on my 06 
> caravan & thought IT had long plugs. Must be an odd feeling when you 
> unscrewed them.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
>  It has been quite a while since I asked this question but I finally 
> got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and wanted to share 
> my thoughts now that I have some experience.
>
> The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus of the group: 
> I could not see any difference between the original plugs and the new 
> ones. Here are a couple of photos:
>
> image0.jpegimage1.jpegimage2.jpeg
>
> We’re on the road right now (my wife is driving) and there is no 
> discernible difference that I can feel.
>
> So, to confirm the group’s answer to my original question for anyone 
> else who might be curious, I’d say there is no reason to pay the 
> ridiculous OEM markup for the exact same part.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, 
>> which is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda 
>> also recommends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old 
>> Ridgeline at 220,000 (it’s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don’t 
>> think I want to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle. 
>>  Spark plugs are a different story and the dealer gets over $300 to 
>> do those!
>>
>> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda’s price for the 
>> plugs themselves.  They list at $55 _each_, although you can get them 
>> discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop 
>> around. 
>> https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01 
>>  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner’s manual lists the 
>> plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda 
>> box in the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each 
>> (https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) 
>> and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.
>>
>> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the 
>> NGK box are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust 
>> this group more than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say? 
>>  Are the plugs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an 
>> extra $170?
>>
>> Jim
>

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    Those 'long' plugs are notorious, at least in some Ford V8 engines.
    The long threaded part is long so the plug tip will reach the
    combustion chamber in thick OHC engine heads. Those--the Ford
    plugs--are made in two parts, and are known to separate when being
    removed. Much hilarity ensues.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/2022 9:30 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br>
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      I was just thinking about this thread the other day! 
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      <div>I’ve never seen these plugs before. I just pulled the plugs
        on my 06 caravan &amp; thought IT had long plugs. Must be an odd
        feeling when you unscrewed them. </div>
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      <div>Peace,</div>
      <div>Pat<br>
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          On Apr 16, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Jim Stone
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          It has been quite a while since I asked this question but I
          finally got around to putting in the new plugs yesterday and
          wanted to share my thoughts now that I have some experience. 
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          <div>The bottom line is consistent with the general consensus
            of the group: I could not see any difference between the
            original plugs and the new ones. Here are a couple of
            photos:</div>
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            We’re on the road right now (my wife is driving) and there
            is no discernible difference that I can feel.</div>
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          <div>So, to confirm the group’s answer to my original question
            for anyone else who might be curious, I’d say there is no
            reason to pay the ridiculous OEM markup for the exact same
            part.  </div>
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              <blockquote type="cite">On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Jim
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              <div dir="ltr">My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its
                105,000 mile service, which is a big one.  New timing
                belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new
                spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline
                at 220,000 (it’s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don’t
                think I want to take any chances on a newer, more
                valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different story and
                the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
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                <div class="">The reason changing plugs is so expensive
                  is Honda’s price for the plugs themselves.  They list
                  at $55 <u class="">each</u>, although you can get
                  them discounted for the low, low price of about $40
                  each if you shop around.  <a
href="https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01</a>
                   But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner’s
                  manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number
                  you can clearly see on the Honda box in the above
                  link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (<a
href="https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug</a>)
                  and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.</div>
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                <div class="">Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to
                  whether the plugs in the NGK box are any different
                  from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group
                  more than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys
                  say?  Are the plugs in the Honda box likely to be
                  different and worth an extra $170?</div>
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