Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] changing times...

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:38:23 -0500

Great story. I wish our Habitat Restore got that kind of thing in. 

Estate sales can be great places to find nostalgia. My dad was at one about 20 years back & noticed something behind the check out that looked a bit like a pepper mill. He asked what it was & the person said they didn’t know but thought it was a kid’s toy. They sold it to him for $25 including the case. It was a Curta calculator. Sold it on eBay for $900 they are going for over $2000 now!

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:05 PM, David Scheidt <[email-masked]> wrote:

The other day, I was at my local habitat restore, browsing tools. It's
very close to me, I pop in once a week or two, to look.
They clearly have gotten the estate of an old car guy, as various bits
of old test equipment and speciality automotive tools have been there
(when they get a bunch of stuff like that, they tend to parcel it out,
instead of putting it all out at once) over the last couple months.
The other day, there was a twenty something year old looking at a
tachometer/dwell engine analyzer.   he asked if I knew what it was.  I
attempted to explain.  I'm pretty sure he had no idea what a
distributor was, and the idea of points baffled him.   I'd said old
cars had them, he said 'like from the 80s?'.

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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:44:45 -0700

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Hi David,

Yes, I agree with you completely.

I have a 1972 BSA B50SS that I bought new in '72 when I was a high school
senior, and when I ride it out on the street now, it draws attention
because it is seen as an antique (a single cylinder, air cooled, a kick
starter, it is loud and vibrates, etc.).

Then I realized that my 2001 Sportster is over 21 years old now, and has a
carburetor and no electronic engine controls, no ABS, and it is seen as an
ancient and curious artifact.

I also work at a university where the majority of the students now were
born post 911, and that highly impactful event now is seen as an ancient
historical moment like WWI or the assination of JFK.

Time moves forward gradually, but then at moments you realize that the
boots you are wearing  are 25 years old, and older than the person to
whom you are speaking.

I just had an epiphany when I realized that more time had transpired since
I graduated from high school than had transpired from the end of WW1 and
when I had graduated from high school. When I was a HS student, I used to
think WWI was a century before with biplanes and infantry warfare...

I think it means that we are fortunate to have lived long enough so that
although much of what we know may no longer be meaningful to subsequent
generations, it still is meaningful to us.

I am still tearing around on that '72 BSA B50SS, even if twenty-somethings
do not understand it.  :-)

Here are a couple photos of the "antique":
https://gopro.com/v/JbB9XPeDdg6kK
https://gopro.com/v/7a7zwvLy4KD8e

Here is a video of it running up a hill:
https://gopro.com/v/rDpnZ2GVK1w9E

best,

doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Yes, I agree with you c=
ompletely.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a 1972 BSA B50SS that I bought n=
ew in &#39;72 when I was a high school senior, and when I ride it out on th=
e street now, it draws attention because it is seen as an antique (a single=
 cylinder, air cooled, a kick starter, it is loud and vibrates, etc.).</div=
><div><br></div><div>Then I realized=C2=A0that my 2001 Sportster is over 21=
 years old now, and has a carburetor=C2=A0and no electronic engine controls=
, no ABS, and it is seen as an ancient and curious artifact.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I also work at a university where the majority of the students n=
ow were born post 911, and that highly impactful event now is seen as an an=
cient historical moment like WWI or the assination of JFK.=C2=A0</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Time moves forward gradually, but then at moments you realiz=
e that the boots you are wearing=C2=A0 are 25 years old, and older than the=
 person to whom=C2=A0you are speaking.</div><div><br></div><div>I just had =
an epiphany=C2=A0when I realized that more time had transpired since I grad=
uated from high school than had transpired from the end of WW1 and when I h=
ad graduated from high school. When I was a HS student, I used to think WWI=
 was a century before with biplanes and infantry warfare...</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I think it means that we are fortunate to have lived long enough =
so that although much of what we know may no longer be meaningful to subseq=
uent generations, it still is meaningful to us.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>I am still tearing around on that &#39;72 BSA B50SS, even if twenty-som=
ethings do not understand it.=C2=A0 :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Here are a=
 couple photos of the &quot;antique&quot;:</div><div><a href=3D"https://gop=
ro.com/v/JbB9XPeDdg6kK">https://gopro.com/v/JbB9XPeDdg6kK</a><br></div><div=
><a href=3D"https://gopro.com/v/7a7zwvLy4KD8e">https://gopro.com/v/7a7zwvLy=
4KD8e</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is a video of it running up a h=
ill:</div><div><a href=3D"https://gopro.com/v/rDpnZ2GVK1w9E">https://gopro.=
com/v/rDpnZ2GVK1w9E</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></=
div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:05 PM David Scheidt &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The o=
ther day, I was at my local habitat restore, browsing tools. It&#39;s<br>
very close to me, I pop in once a week or two, to look.<br>
They clearly have gotten the estate of an old car guy, as various bits<br>
of old test equipment and speciality automotive tools have been there<br>
(when they get a bunch of stuff like that, they tend to parcel it out,<br>
instead of putting it all out at once) over the last couple months.<br>
The other day, there was a twenty something year old looking at a<br>
tachometer/dwell engine analyzer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0he asked if I knew what it wa=
s.=C2=A0 I<br>
attempted to explain.=C2=A0 I&#39;m pretty sure he had no idea what a<br>
distributor was, and the idea of points baffled him.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;d sa=
id old<br>
cars had them, he said &#39;like from the 80s?&#39;.<br>
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From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:45:08 +0000

Pat,

I have a friend who supplements his income by visiting the local Salvation Army, Deseret Store, etc., at the time when they put out the new stuff.  He then resell the stuff he just bought on ebay on a regular basis usually making an 2-10x markup.  

If you have some niche product knowledge, it can be a very profitable.

Jack 

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 3:38 PM
To: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] changing times...

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 

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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:47:49 -0700

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I meant to say that the video is much more enjoyable if you zoom it out to
full screen and turn-up the volume loud.  You might find yourself leaning
into the curves (I find myself doing it). :-)

>> cars had them, he said 'like from the 80s?'.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I meant to say that the video is much more enjoyable if yo=
u zoom it out to full screen and turn-up the volume loud.=C2=A0 You might f=
ind yourself leaning into the curves (I find myself doing it). :-)</div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, A=
pr 18, 2022 at 4:44 PM old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div=
>Yes, I agree with you completely.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a 1972 B=
SA B50SS that I bought new in &#39;72 when I was a high school senior, and =
when I ride it out on the street now, it draws attention because it is seen=
 as an antique (a single cylinder, air cooled, a kick starter, it is loud a=
nd vibrates, etc.).</div><div><br></div><div>Then I realized=C2=A0that my 2=
001 Sportster is over 21 years old now, and has a carburetor=C2=A0and no el=
ectronic engine controls, no ABS, and it is seen as an ancient and curious =
artifact.</div><div><br></div><div>I also work at a university where the ma=
jority of the students now were born post 911, and that highly impactful ev=
ent now is seen as an ancient historical moment like WWI or the assination =
of JFK.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Time moves forward gradually, but th=
en at moments you realize that the boots you are wearing=C2=A0 are 25 years=
 old, and older than the person to whom=C2=A0you are speaking.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>I just had an epiphany=C2=A0when I realized that more time had=
 transpired since I graduated from high school than had transpired from the=
 end of WW1 and when I had graduated from high school. When I was a HS stud=
ent, I used to think WWI was a century before with biplanes and infantry wa=
rfare...</div><div><br></div><div>I think it means that we are fortunate to=
 have lived long enough so that although much of what we know may no longer=
 be meaningful to subsequent generations, it still is meaningful to us.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I am still tearing around on that &#39;72 BSA =
B50SS, even if twenty-somethings do not understand it.=C2=A0 :-)</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Here are a couple photos of the &quot;antique&quot;:</div><d=
iv><a href=3D"https://gopro.com/v/JbB9XPeDdg6kK" target=3D"_blank">https://=
gopro.com/v/JbB9XPeDdg6kK</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://gopro.com/v/=
7a7zwvLy4KD8e" target=3D"_blank">https://gopro.com/v/7a7zwvLy4KD8e</a><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>Here is a video of it running up a hill:</div><div=
><a href=3D"https://gopro.com/v/rDpnZ2GVK1w9E" target=3D"_blank">https://go=
pro.com/v/rDpnZ2GVK1w9E</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><b=
r></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:05 PM David Scheidt &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">T=
he other day, I was at my local habitat restore, browsing tools. It&#39;s<b=
r>
very close to me, I pop in once a week or two, to look.<br>
They clearly have gotten the estate of an old car guy, as various bits<br>
of old test equipment and speciality automotive tools have been there<br>
(when they get a bunch of stuff like that, they tend to parcel it out,<br>
instead of putting it all out at once) over the last couple months.<br>
The other day, there was a twenty something year old looking at a<br>
tachometer/dwell engine analyzer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0he asked if I knew what it wa=
s.=C2=A0 I<br>
attempted to explain.=C2=A0 I&#39;m pretty sure he had no idea what a<br>
distributor was, and the idea of points baffled him.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;d sa=
id old<br>
cars had them, he said &#39;like from the 80s?&#39;.<br>
<br>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:00:16 -0500

I’m getting old, turning 75 this year. About 15 years ago I went to an auction locally at a shop where a guy restored tube radios. He had stuff from Atwater Kent’s into the late 50s. I bought a bunch of analog bench meters not realizing that there wasn’t much of a market for them. I’d used this kind of test gear when I started doing TV repair in the mid 60s. I was finally able to sell them on eBay but it took some time. I’ll bet most ended up on display rather than being used. 

On the bright side, after digital cameras took over, all my 1960s Nikon gear was worthless & was just gathering dust. My granddaughter loved collecting old photo equipment so I gave her my 2 bodies, 4 lenses & a light meter. Turns out she had been buying film & using this gear! Not all history is lost on the young. 

Pat Horne 

On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wrote:

Pat,

Jack 

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To: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] changing times...

Peace,
Pat

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:27:52 +0100

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So basically ripping off a charity?

On 19 April 2022 00:45:08 BST, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live=2Ecom> wrote:
>Pat,
>
>I have a friend who supplements his income by visiting the local Salvatio=
n Army, Deseret Store, etc=2E, at the time when they put out the new stuff=
=2E  He then resell the stuff he just bought on ebay on a regular basis usu=
ally making an 2-10x markup=2E =20
>
>If you have some niche product knowledge, it can be a very profitable=2E
>
>Jack=20
>
>From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> On Behalf Of Pat H=
orne
>To: David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail=2Ecom>
>Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet>
>Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] changing times=2E=2E=2E
>
>Great story=2E I wish our Habitat Restore got that kind of thing in=2E=20
>
>Estate sales can be great places to find nostalgia=2E My dad was at one a=
bout 20 years back & noticed something behind the check out that looked a b=
it like a pepper mill=2E He asked what it was & the person said they didn=
=E2=80=99t know but thought it was a kid=E2=80=99s toy=2E They sold it to h=
im for $25 including the case=2E It was a Curta calculator=2E Sold it on eB=
ay for $900 they are going for over $2000 now!
>Pat Horne=20
>On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
>
>=EF=BB=BFThe other day, I was at my local habitat restore, browsing tools=
=2E It's
>very close to me, I pop in once a week or two, to look=2E
>instead of putting it all out at once) over the last couple months=2E
>tachometer/dwell engine analyzer=2E   he asked if I knew what it was=2E  =
I
>attempted to explain=2E  I'm pretty sure he had no idea what a
>distributor was, and the idea of points baffled him=2E   I'd said old
>cars had them, he said 'like from the 80s?'=2E
>
>--=20
>David Scheidt
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lt;shop-talk-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet&gt; On Behalf Of Pat Horne<br>Sent:=
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e: [Shop-talk] changing times=2E=2E=2E<br><br>Great story=2E I wish our Hab=
itat Restore got that kind of thing in=2E <br><br>Estate sales can be great=
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ticed something behind the check out that looked a bit like a pepper mill=
=2E He asked what it was &amp; the person said they didn=E2=80=99t know but=
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g the case=2E It was a Curta calculator=2E Sold it on eBay for $900 they ar=
e going for over $2000 now!<br><br>Peace,<br>Pat<br><br>Pat Horne <br>We su=
pport Habitat for Humanity<br><br><br>On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:05 PM, David Sc=
heidt &lt;dmscheidt@gmail=2Ecom&gt; wrote:<br><br>=EF=BB=BFThe other day, I=
 was at my local habitat restore, browsing tools=2E It's<br>very close to m=
e, I pop in once a week or two, to look=2E<br>They clearly have gotten the =
estate of an old car guy, as various bits<br>of old test equipment and spec=
iality automotive tools have been there<br>(when they get a bunch of stuff =
like that, they tend to parcel it out,<br>instead of putting it all out at =
once) over the last couple months=2E<br>The other day, there was a twenty s=
omething year old looking at a<br>tachometer/dwell engine analyzer=2E   he =
asked if I knew what it was=2E  I<br>attempted to explain=2E  I'm pretty su=
re he had no idea what a<br>distributor was, and the idea of points baffled=
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From: Donald H Locker <[email-masked]>
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The friend is definitely not "ripping off" the charity. The charity
doesn't have time, knowledge, or money to sell that gear; they would
never recoup the costs necessary to bring in sufficient employees to vet
and market the occasional "gems" that show up at random times in random
categories.

The friend's purchase of gear from the charity fills the charity's
coffers at low cost to the charity. The friend adds their knowledge and
skill to re-market the items and make a little profit as well. Both win.

Donald.

On 2022-04-19 03:27, [email-masked] wrote:
> On 19 April 2022 00:45:08 BST, Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     Pat,
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From: Richard George <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:59:15 -0700

There's a whole segment of society that both makes their living and 
supplement other income by 'flipping' stuff found for sale through these 
charity resellers,garage sales, craigslist, etc. while some (notably the 
Goodwill) are getting better at identifying/shifting the more valuable 
items to other sales channels to realize more money from them, most are 
happy to do their best on valuation and just receive the constant income 
from sales through their outlets.

It used to be amusing to drive by one of the local Goodwills when they 
first open in the morning - the parking lot was pretty much always full 
of late model cars - some days it looked like a Mercedes or BMW 
dealership...

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)

On 4/19/2022 2:40 AM, Donald H Locker wrote:
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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 21:30:48 -0600

I wish I knew where this came from.  Have no idea who the author might 
be, sad to say.

mjb.

============

As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.

About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.

These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:04:40 -0700

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Hi Mark,

Thank you, a poignant and well written piece for those of us who are
getting older...

Times pass, but with our shops, our tools, and our knowledge, we can keep
these old British bikes, or old Harleys running as well if not better than
they did 50 or 60 years ago. I have my 50 year old BSA Thumper that I
posted the photos and video of, but I also have a 2013 Aprillia 1000cc V4
with all of the modern electronic components. I still ride both of them.
They both are very good at what they do, but I have been imprinted on the
BSA.

In the spirit of shop talk, over the last 50 years that I have owned the
BSA, I have used my tools, knowledge and workshops to increase the
displacement to 600cc, ported the head, installed larger diameter exhaust,
larger valves, a larger 1000 series Amal carburetor, a Weber racing cam,
electronic ignition, modified the dry sump oil-in-frame supply to dual feed
to better circulate and cool the oil, fabricated and a routed pressure-fed
oil line to the rockers to better oil and cool the valve gear, installed a
full-flow oil filter on the oil return circuit, higher voltage ignition
coil, solid state electrical rectification and regulation, improved clutch
plates and stronger clutch springs to withstand the increased power, modern
brake linings arced to the drums to be able to stop the bike at high speed
(not quite as good as dual front disc brakes, but I can lock the front
wheel if I try), modern Avon tires that grip the road and handle extremely
well (deep lean angles), rewired the entire electrical harness with
vibration-proof connectors and larger gauge wire with abrasion-resistant
vinyl insulation, running Motul 10w60 double ester synthetic oil in the
engine, synthetic gear lube in the transmission, etc.  It is not just a hot
rod, it has much improved lubrication, electrical, and braking systems now.

Although this bike is 50 years old, it runs stronger and is more reliable
now than it was from the factory. It can run with the modern sport bikes on
the twisty roads you saw in the video.

Old British motorcycles potentially are the ideal "vehicle" for us to
exercise our tools and our skills in the shop. They are the perfect
"canvas" to paint a masterpiece, and one that you can ride and enjoy for
the rest of our lives.

I recently was riding the twisty hill roads shown in the video when I
passed a young man on a Suzuki sport bike. I later stopped at the overlook
in the one photo and he also pulled up to chat. He "complained" that he
could not hear his engine in order to shift it properly when I was in front
of him because my BSA was so loud. He also said my tires were too skinny to
ride that fast, etc.

Not wishing to deter from his riding enjoyment, I let him leave first so he
could lead and my loud thumping engine and skinny tires would not deter
from his riding. After a couple of curves I passed him again.

I am 68, my bike is 50 years-old, and the young man was on a new GSX. These
old bikes are lighter and have deeper torque,

These old bikes, and these old men, can still ride, and no amount of
electronic wizardry can change that...  :-)

best,

Doug

> I wish I knew where this came from.  Have no idea who the author might

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi=C2=A0Mark,<div><br></div><div>Thank you, a poignant and=
 well written piece for those of us who are getting older...</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Times pass, but with our shops, our tools, and our knowledge, we=
 can keep these old British bikes, or old Harleys running as well if not be=
tter than they did 50 or 60 years ago. I have my 50 year old BSA Thumper th=
at I posted the photos and video of, but I also have a 2013=C2=A0Aprillia=
=C2=A01000cc V4 with all of the modern electronic=C2=A0components. I still =
ride both of them. They both are very good at what they do, but I have been=
 imprinted on the BSA.</div><div><br></div><div>In the spirit of shop talk,=
 over the last 50 years that I have owned the BSA, I have used my tools, kn=
owledge and workshops to increase the displacement to 600cc, ported the hea=
d, installed larger diameter exhaust, larger valves, a larger=C2=A01000 ser=
ies Amal carburetor, a Weber racing cam, electronic ignition, modified the =
dry sump oil-in-frame supply to dual feed to better circulate and cool the =
oil, fabricated and a routed pressure-fed oil line to the rockers to better=
 oil and cool the valve gear, installed a full-flow oil filter on the oil r=
eturn circuit, higher voltage ignition coil, solid state electrical rectifi=
cation=C2=A0and regulation, improved clutch plates and stronger clutch spri=
ngs to withstand the increased power, modern brake linings arced to the dru=
ms to be able to stop the bike at high speed (not quite as good as dual fro=
nt disc brakes, but I can lock the front wheel if I try), modern Avon tires=
 that grip the road and handle extremely well (deep lean angles), rewired t=
he entire electrical harness with vibration-proof connectors and larger gau=
ge wire with abrasion-resistant vinyl insulation, running Motul 10w60 doubl=
e ester synthetic oil in the engine, synthetic gear lube in the transmissio=
n, etc.=C2=A0 It is not just a hot rod, it has much improved lubrication, e=
lectrical, and braking systems now.</div><div><br></div><div>Although this =
bike is 50 years old, it runs stronger and is more reliable now than it was=
 from the factory. It can run with the modern sport bikes on the twisty roa=
ds you saw in the video.</div><div><br></div><div>Old British motorcycles p=
otentially are the ideal &quot;vehicle&quot; for us to exercise our tools a=
nd our skills in the shop. They are the perfect &quot;canvas&quot; to paint=
 a masterpiece, and one that you can ride and enjoy for the rest of our liv=
es.</div><div><br></div><div>I recently was riding the twisty hill roads sh=
own in the video when I passed a young man on a Suzuki sport bike. I later =
stopped at the overlook in the one photo and he also pulled up to chat. He =
&quot;complained&quot; that he could not hear his engine in order to shift =
it properly when I was in front of him because my BSA was so loud. He also =
said my tires were too skinny to ride that fast, etc.=C2=A0</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Not wishing to deter from his=C2=A0riding=C2=A0enjoyment, I let h=
im leave first so he could lead and my loud thumping engine and skinny tire=
s would not deter from his riding. After a couple of curves I passed him ag=
ain.</div><div><br></div><div>I am 68, my bike is 50 years-old, and the you=
ng man was on a new GSX. These old bikes are lighter and have deeper torque=
,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>These old bikes, and these old men, can st=
ill ride, and no amount of electronic=C2=A0wizardry can change that...=C2=
=A0 :-)</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>Doug</div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 8:31 PM Mark Bradakis=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><br>
I wish I knew where this came from.=C2=A0 Have no idea who the author might=
 <br>
be, sad to say.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
<br>
As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,<br>
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;<br>
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on<br>
perfect machines.=C2=A0 Their bikes are precision instruments built by<br>
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.<br>
<br>
About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in<br>
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my &#39;75 Commando.<br>
Rolled up to a stop sign.=C2=A0 A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came<br>
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up<br>
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.=C2=A0 I shut nort down to listen<br>
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.=C2=A0 I was<br>
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.<br>
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,<br>
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.=C2=A0 As that quiet thump, thump,<br>
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.<br>
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,<br>
perfect Marin autumn days.=C2=A0 Back then, me and my dinosaur could<br>
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those<br>
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be<br>
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.<br>
<br>
These ten years gone, I&#39;m now flogging that British oil-bath around<br>
the Rockies.=C2=A0 But the king is dead (long live the king!), and<br>
I&#39;m the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;<br>
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.=C2=A0 But I wonder,<br>
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?<br>
<br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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In the same vein..for what I have in my old British car, I could buy
something much more modern, more powerful, and safer too.  But I'm no
longer in a hurry to "get there" and I'd rather listen to the music a
2500cc Triumph I-6 makes anyway...

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 09:05 old dirtbeard <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Not wishing to deter from his riding enjoyment, I let him leave first so
> he could lead and my loud thumping engine and skinny tires would not deter
> I am 68, my bike is 50 years-old, and the young man was on a new GSX.
> These old bikes are lighter and have deeper torque,
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">In the same vein..for what I have in my old British car, =
I could buy something much more modern, more powerful, and safer too.=C2=A0=
 But I&#39;m no longer in a hurry to &quot;get there&quot; and I&#39;d rath=
er listen to the music a 2500cc Triumph I-6 makes anyway...</div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 21, =
2022, 09:05 old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dirtbe=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Hi=C2=A0Mark,<div><br></div><div>Thank you, a poignant and well =
written piece for those of us who are getting older...</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Times pass, but with our shops, our tools, and our knowledge, we can k=
eep these old British bikes, or old Harleys running as well if not better t=
han they did 50 or 60 years ago. I have my 50 year old BSA Thumper that I p=
osted the photos and video of, but I also have a 2013=C2=A0Aprillia=C2=A010=
00cc V4 with all of the modern electronic=C2=A0components. I still ride bot=
h of them. They both are very good at what they do, but I have been imprint=
ed on the BSA.</div><div><br></div><div>In the spirit of shop talk, over th=
e last 50 years that I have owned the BSA, I have used my tools, knowledge =
and workshops to increase the displacement to 600cc, ported the head, insta=
lled larger diameter exhaust, larger valves, a larger=C2=A01000 series Amal=
 carburetor, a Weber racing cam, electronic ignition, modified the dry sump=
 oil-in-frame supply to dual feed to better circulate and cool the oil, fab=
ricated and a routed pressure-fed oil line to the rockers to better oil and=
 cool the valve gear, installed a full-flow oil filter on the oil return ci=
rcuit, higher voltage ignition coil, solid state electrical rectification=
=C2=A0and regulation, improved clutch plates and stronger clutch springs to=
 withstand the increased power, modern brake linings arced to the drums to =
be able to stop the bike at high speed (not quite as good as dual front dis=
c brakes, but I can lock the front wheel if I try), modern Avon tires that =
grip the road and handle extremely well (deep lean angles), rewired the ent=
ire electrical harness with vibration-proof connectors and larger gauge wir=
e with abrasion-resistant vinyl insulation, running Motul 10w60 double este=
r synthetic oil in the engine, synthetic gear lube in the transmission, etc=
.=C2=A0 It is not just a hot rod, it has much improved lubrication, electri=
cal, and braking systems now.</div><div><br></div><div>Although this bike i=
s 50 years old, it runs stronger and is more reliable now than it was from =
the factory. It can run with the modern sport bikes on the twisty roads you=
 saw in the video.</div><div><br></div><div>Old British motorcycles potenti=
ally are the ideal &quot;vehicle&quot; for us to exercise our tools and our=
 skills in the shop. They are the perfect &quot;canvas&quot; to paint a mas=
terpiece, and one that you can ride and enjoy for the rest of our lives.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I recently was riding the twisty hill roads shown in=
 the video when I passed a young man on a Suzuki sport bike. I later stoppe=
d at the overlook in the one photo and he also pulled up to chat. He &quot;=
complained&quot; that he could not hear his engine in order to shift it pro=
perly when I was in front of him because my BSA was so loud. He also said m=
y tires were too skinny to ride that fast, etc.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>Not wishing to deter from his=C2=A0riding=C2=A0enjoyment, I let him lea=
ve first so he could lead and my loud thumping engine and skinny tires woul=
d not deter from his riding. After a couple of curves I passed him again.</=
div><div><br></div><div>I am 68, my bike is 50 years-old, and the young man=
 was on a new GSX. These old bikes are lighter and have deeper torque,=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>These old bikes, and these old men, can still =
ride, and no amount of electronic=C2=A0wizardry can change that...=C2=A0 :-=
)</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>Doug</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 8:31 PM Mark Bradakis &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mar=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><br>
I wish I knew where this came from.=C2=A0 Have no idea who the author might=
 <br>
be, sad to say.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
<br>
As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,<br>
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;<br>
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on<br>
perfect machines.=C2=A0 Their bikes are precision instruments built by<br>
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.<br>
<br>
About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in<br>
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my &#39;75 Commando.<br>
Rolled up to a stop sign.=C2=A0 A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came<br>
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up<br>
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.=C2=A0 I shut nort down to listen<br>
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.=C2=A0 I was<br>
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.<br>
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,<br>
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.=C2=A0 As that quiet thump, thump,<br>
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.<br>
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,<br>
perfect Marin autumn days.=C2=A0 Back then, me and my dinosaur could<br>
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those<br>
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be<br>
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.<br>
<br>
These ten years gone, I&#39;m now flogging that British oil-bath around<br>
the Rockies.=C2=A0 But the king is dead (long live the king!), and<br>
I&#39;m the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;<br>
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I totally agree. I=E2=80=99m just finishing the frame off restoration of my 6=
7.5 Datsun SPL311 roadster.=20

Peace,
Pat=20

Pat Horne=20

On Apr 21, 2022, at 10:05 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
In the same vein..for what I have in my old British car, I could buy somethi=
ng much more modern, more powerful, and safer too.  But I'm no longer in a h=
urry to "get there" and I'd rather listen to the music a 2500cc Triumph I-6 m=
akes anyway...

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 09:05 old dirtbeard <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>=20
> Thank you, a poignant and well written piece for those of us who are getti=
ng older...
>=20
> Times pass, but with our shops, our tools, and our knowledge, we can keep t=
hese old British bikes, or old Harleys running as well if not better than th=
ey did 50 or 60 years ago. I have my 50 year old BSA Thumper that I posted t=
he photos and video of, but I also have a 2013 Aprillia 1000cc V4 with all o=
f the modern electronic components. I still ride both of them. They both are=
 very good at what they do, but I have been imprinted on the BSA.
>=20
> In the spirit of shop talk, over the last 50 years that I have owned the B=
SA, I have used my tools, knowledge and workshops to increase the displaceme=
nt to 600cc, ported the head, installed larger diameter exhaust, larger valv=
es, a larger 1000 series Amal carburetor, a Weber racing cam, electronic ign=
ition, modified the dry sump oil-in-frame supply to dual feed to better circ=
ulate and cool the oil, fabricated and a routed pressure-fed oil line to the=
 rockers to better oil and cool the valve gear, installed a full-flow oil fi=
lter on the oil return circuit, higher voltage ignition coil, solid state el=
ectrical rectification and regulation, improved clutch plates and stronger c=
lutch springs to withstand the increased power, modern brake linings arced t=
o the drums to be able to stop the bike at high speed (not quite as good as d=
ual front disc brakes, but I can lock the front wheel if I try), modern Avon=
 tires that grip the road and handle extremely well (deep lean angles), rewi=
red the entire electrical harness with vibration-proof connectors and larger=
 gauge wire with abrasion-resistant vinyl insulation, running Motul 10w60 do=
uble ester synthetic oil in the engine, synthetic gear lube in the transmiss=
ion, etc.  It is not just a hot rod, it has much improved lubrication, elect=
rical, and braking systems now.
>=20
> Although this bike is 50 years old, it runs stronger and is more reliable n=
ow than it was from the factory. It can run with the modern sport bikes on t=
he twisty roads you saw in the video.
>=20
> Old British motorcycles potentially are the ideal "vehicle" for us to exer=
cise our tools and our skills in the shop. They are the perfect "canvas" to p=
aint a masterpiece, and one that you can ride and enjoy for the rest of our l=
ives.
>=20
> I recently was riding the twisty hill roads shown in the video when I pass=
ed a young man on a Suzuki sport bike. I later stopped at the overlook in th=
e one photo and he also pulled up to chat. He "complained" that he could not=
 hear his engine in order to shift it properly when I was in front of him be=
cause my BSA was so loud. He also said my tires were too skinny to ride that=
 fast, etc.=20
>=20
> Not wishing to deter from his riding enjoyment, I let him leave first so h=
e could lead and my loud thumping engine and skinny tires would not deter fr=
om his riding. After a couple of curves I passed him again.
>=20
> I am 68, my bike is 50 years-old, and the young man was on a new GSX. Thes=
e old bikes are lighter and have deeper torque,=20
>=20
> These old bikes, and these old men, can still ride, and no amount of elect=
ronic wizardry can change that...  :-)
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>>=20
>> I wish I knew where this came from.  Have no idea who the author might=20=

>> be, sad to say.
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I totally agree. I=E2=80=99m just finishing=
 the frame off restoration of my 67.5 Datsun SPL311 roadster.&nbsp;<div><br>=
</div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp=
;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br>On Apr 21, 2022, at 10:05 AM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">In th=
e same vein..for what I have in my old British car, I could buy something mu=
ch more modern, more powerful, and safer too.&nbsp; But I'm no longer in a h=
urry to "get there" and I'd rather listen to the music a 2500cc Triumph I-6 m=
akes anyway...</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 09:05 old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi&nbsp;Mark,<div><br></div><div>Thank y=
ou, a poignant and well written piece for those of us who are getting older.=
..</div><div><br></div><div>Times pass, but with our shops, our tools, and o=
ur knowledge, we can keep these old British bikes, or old Harleys running as=
 well if not better than they did 50 or 60 years ago. I have my 50 year old B=
SA Thumper that I posted the photos and video of, but I also have a 2013&nbs=
p;Aprillia&nbsp;1000cc V4 with all of the modern electronic&nbsp;components.=
 I still ride both of them. They both are very good at what they do, but I h=
ave been imprinted on the BSA.</div><div><br></div><div>In the spirit of sho=
p talk, over the last 50 years that I have owned the BSA, I have used my too=
ls, knowledge and workshops to increase the displacement to 600cc, ported th=
e head, installed larger diameter exhaust, larger valves, a larger&nbsp;1000=
 series Amal carburetor, a Weber racing cam, electronic ignition, modified t=
he dry sump oil-in-frame supply to dual feed to better circulate and cool th=
e oil, fabricated and a routed pressure-fed oil line to the rockers to bette=
r oil and cool the valve gear, installed a full-flow oil filter on the oil r=
eturn circuit, higher voltage ignition coil, solid state electrical rectific=
ation&nbsp;and regulation, improved clutch plates and stronger clutch spring=
s to withstand the increased power, modern brake linings arced to the drums t=
o be able to stop the bike at high speed (not quite as good as dual front di=
sc brakes, but I can lock the front wheel if I try), modern Avon tires that g=
rip the road and handle extremely well (deep lean angles), rewired the entir=
e electrical harness with vibration-proof connectors and larger gauge wire w=
ith abrasion-resistant vinyl insulation, running Motul 10w60 double ester sy=
nthetic oil in the engine, synthetic gear lube in the transmission, etc.&nbs=
p; It is not just a hot rod, it has much improved lubrication, electrical, a=
nd braking systems now.</div><div><br></div><div>Although this bike is 50 ye=
ars old, it runs stronger and is more reliable now than it was from the fact=
ory. It can run with the modern sport bikes on the twisty roads you saw in t=
he video.</div><div><br></div><div>Old British motorcycles potentially are t=
he ideal "vehicle" for us to exercise our tools and our skills in the shop. T=
hey are the perfect "canvas" to paint a masterpiece, and one that you can ri=
de and enjoy for the rest of our lives.</div><div><br></div><div>I recently w=
as riding the twisty hill roads shown in the video when I passed a young man=
 on a Suzuki sport bike. I later stopped at the overlook in the one photo an=
d he also pulled up to chat. He "complained" that he could not hear his engi=
ne in order to shift it properly when I was in front of him because my BSA w=
as so loud. He also said my tires were too skinny to ride that fast, etc.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>Not wishing to deter from his&nbsp;riding&nbsp;=
enjoyment, I let him leave first so he could lead and my loud thumping engin=
e and skinny tires would not deter from his riding. After a couple of curves=
 I passed him again.</div><div><br></div><div>I am 68, my bike is 50 years-o=
ld, and the young man was on a new GSX. These old bikes are lighter and have=
 deeper torque,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>These old bikes, and these ol=
d men, can still ride, and no amount of electronic&nbsp;wizardry can change t=
hat...&nbsp; :-)</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>Dou=
g</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 8:31 PM Mark Bra=
dakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I wish I knew where this came from.&nbsp; Have no idea who the author might <=
br>
be, sad to say.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
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<br>
As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,<br>
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;<br>
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on<br>
perfect machines.&nbsp; Their bikes are precision instruments built by<br>
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.<br>
<br>
About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in<br>
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.<br>
Rolled up to a stop sign.&nbsp; A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came<br>
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up<br>
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.&nbsp; I shut nort down to listen<br>
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.&nbsp; I was<br>
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.<br>
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,<br>
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.&nbsp; As that quiet thump, thump,<br>
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.<br>
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,<br>
perfect Marin autumn days.&nbsp; Back then, me and my dinosaur could<br>
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those<br>
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be<br>
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.<br>
<br>
These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around<br>
the Rockies.&nbsp; But the king is dead (long live the king!), and<br>
I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;<br>
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.&nbsp; But I wonder,<br>
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?<br>
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