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To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Saab V-4
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Anybody have a Saab V-4 car?  Sonett or 96 (I think)...

I have a pair of valve cover gaskets and a pair of SS front brake hoses
that have sat unused in my shop for 30 years, ever since my Sonett got
totaled.  If you can use them, let me know - yours for the cost of postage.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Anybody have a Saab V-4 car?=C2=A0 Sonett or 96 (I think)=
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er gaskets and a pair of SS front brake hoses that have sat unused in my sh=
op for 30 years, ever since my Sonett got totaled.=C2=A0 If you can use the=
m, let me know - yours for the cost of postage.</div></div>

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Apologies if I've asked this before.

I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is=
 a good company.

thanks
tim

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I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
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Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is=
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From: Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:55:27 -0400
To: "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
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You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my
quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

> Apologies if I've asked this before.
>
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my
> 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.
>
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it
> is a good company.
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend=
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iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com">tims_datsun_stuff@outlo=
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I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
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Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a =
few years ago and didn't find anything.
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You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my =
quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com<mailto=
:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>> wrote:
Apologies if I've asked this before.

I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is=
 a good company.

thanks
tim
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Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a =
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Apologies if I've asked this before.&nbsp;</div>
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I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
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Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is=
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thanks</div>
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tim</div>
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To: "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Search for a seal kit for your model jack on Amazon and you should find
some options.

-Paul

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:56 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

> Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a
> few years ago and didn't find anything.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:55 PM
> *To:* Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair
>
> You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that for my
> quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.
>
> -Paul
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Apologies if I've asked this before.
>
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my
> 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.
>
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it
> is a good company.
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Search for a seal kit for your model jack on Amazon and yo=
u should find some options.<div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 23, 2=
022 at 6:56 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com">t=
ims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Great! This begs the next question: where can I get a seal kit? I looked a =
few years ago and didn&#39;t find anything.=C2=A0</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-3800015566335367472appendonsend"></div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
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e=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>Fro=
m:</b> Paul Parkanzky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:parkanzky@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">parkanzky@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=
=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Floor Jack Repair</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend=
 did that for my quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it&#39;s as good as=
 new.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Paul</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outloo=
k.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Apologies if I&#39;ve asked this before.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my 71=
 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.=C2=A0</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it is=
 a good company.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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At 06:52 PM 3/23/2022, you wrote:

 >I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to 
lift my 71 Jeep.
 >The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.

Tim,

I have a Craftsman 2 1/2 ton floor jack.  Several years ago it quit 
lifting.  It blew
the seals.  I found a seal kit on line by searching for the jack 
model number.  The
seal kit fits a bunch of jacks.  Seems to me I paid about $50 for the 
seal kit.  After
I did that, I thought why did it do that?  I had bought a dad a new 
floor jack for
Xmas around the same time and it was only $60.  But now I haven't seen a floor
jack for under $100.  So after I finish a few more of the projects on 
my list, I want
to rebuild that floor jack.

 >Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it 
if it is a good
 >company.

If you don't want to do it yourself look around your area for any 
hydrolics repair
shop.  They can probably do it for you.  You don't want to pay the 
shipping cost
round trip to send it out for repair.

John



>thanks
>tim
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<font size=3>At 06:52 PM 3/23/2022, you wrote:<br><br>
&gt;I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift
my 71 Jeep. <br>
&gt;The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.
<br><br>
Tim,<br><br>
I have a Craftsman 2 1/2 ton floor jack.&nbsp; Several years ago it quit
lifting.&nbsp; It blew <br>
the seals.&nbsp; I found a seal kit on line by searching for the jack
model number.&nbsp; The<br>
seal kit fits a bunch of jacks.&nbsp; Seems to me I paid about $50 for
the seal kit.&nbsp; After<br>
I did that, I thought why did it do that?&nbsp; I had bought a dad a new
floor jack for<br>
Xmas around the same time and it was only $60.&nbsp; But now I haven't
seen a floor <br>
jack for under $100.&nbsp; So after I finish a few more of the projects
on my list, I want<br>
to rebuild that floor jack.<br><br>
&gt;Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if
it is a good <br>
&gt;company. <br><br>
If you don't want to do it yourself look around your area for any
hydrolics repair<br>
shop.&nbsp; They can probably do it for you.&nbsp; You don't want to pay
the shipping cost<br>
round trip to send it out for repair.<br><br>
John<br><br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">thanks<br>
tim<br>
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From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:52:27 -0400
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	One of the advantages of buying a good quality jack like a =
Craftsman is that you can get a seal kit. I=E2=80=99ve had a Japanese =
1.5 ton Craftsman jack  for 40 years and has never needed repair.  =
.I=E2=80=99ve also got a 2.5 ton Harbor Freight aluminum jack and 3 ton =
HF steel jack. I=E2=80=99m pleased with the performance of both, but HF, =
last time I looked, did not offer any jack rebuild kits.=20
	Best,
	Bob
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend did that =
for my quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as new.
>=20
> -Paul
>=20
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com =
> Apologies if I've asked this before.=20
>=20
> I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift =
my 71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be restored/repaired.=20=

>=20
> Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if =
it is a good company.=20
>=20
> thanks
> tim
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>One of =
the advantages of buying a good quality jack like a Craftsman is that =
you can get a seal kit. I=E2=80=99ve had a Japanese 1.5 ton Craftsman =
jack &nbsp;for 40 years and has never needed repair. &nbsp;.I=E2=80=99ve =
also got a 2.5 ton Harbor Freight aluminum jack and 3 ton HF steel jack. =
I=E2=80=99m pleased with the performance of both, but HF, last time I =
looked, did not offer any jack rebuild kits.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 23, 2022, at 6:55 PM, =
Paul Parkanzky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:parkanzky@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">parkanzky@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">You can order a seal kit and rebuild it yourself. A friend =
did that for my quick-lift Al Craftsman floor jack and it's as good as =
new.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">-Paul</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:53 PM Tim . =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" =
class=3D"">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">




<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
Apologies if I've asked this before.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
I have a craftsman heavy duty floor jack that used to be able to lift my =
71 Jeep. The jack has leaked empty and needs to be =
restored/repaired.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
Any idea where I can have this done? I have no problem shipping it if it =
is a good company.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
tim</div>
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From: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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With a bunch of car folks here maybe someone has some insight? I am =
pulling (what's left of) my hair out.

I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search for a wagon =
with a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely inflated price =
tag. During the test drive I noticed a shake in the front end as well as =
a pull to the left.=20

Fast forward: The dealer aligned it 3 times, rebalanced wheels twice, =
and then a local shop checked and said the alignment was in spec. The =
local shop swapped front tires L-R and the pull completely went away but =
the shake didn't (shop said rims were bent).=20

Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently sweeping =
curves, I figured the tires were both faulty and the faults were going =
in and out of phase as I traversed the curve. I bought bew tires =
(Michelin Pilot A/S 4) and the pull came back strongly. Local shop again =
swapped front tires L-R and the pull is greatly reduced but still there. =
Shake is gone until 85mph.=20

I find steering pull to be very distracting unless there's a reason for =
it (road crown etc). On a flat road I need it to not pull. Tire =
pressures are fine, brakes aren't dragging. Could my car just be super =
sensitive to imperfect alignments? Could there be a bent suspension item =
that wouldn't show up in an alignment (the bent rims suggest a few good =
hits). Is my local shop just too lazy to make adjustments to what might =
be very generous manufacturer's tolerance numbers? I've attached the =
alignment printout.

I'm ready to ditch this car and buy almost anything else just so it =
won't pull. It's like an itch on my back I can't scratch.=20

thanks,
jim


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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">With a bunch =
of car folks here maybe someone has some insight? I am pulling (what's =
left of) my hair out.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search =
for a wagon with a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely =
inflated price tag. During the test drive I noticed a shake in the front =
end as well as a pull to the left.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Fast forward: The dealer aligned it 3 =
times, rebalanced wheels twice, and then a local shop checked and said =
the alignment was in spec. The local shop swapped front tires L-R and =
the pull completely went away but the shake didn't (shop said rims were =
bent).&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently =
sweeping curves, I figured the tires were both faulty and the faults =
were going in and out of phase as I traversed the curve. I bought bew =
tires (Michelin Pilot A/S 4) and the pull came back strongly. Local shop =
again swapped front tires L-R and the pull is greatly reduced but still =
there. Shake is gone until 85mph.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I find steering pull to be very =
distracting unless there's a reason for it (road crown etc). On a flat =
road I need it to not pull. Tire pressures are fine, brakes aren't =
dragging. Could my car just be super sensitive to imperfect alignments? =
Could there be a bent suspension item that wouldn't show up in an =
alignment (the bent rims suggest a few good hits). Is my local shop just =
too lazy to make adjustments to what might be very generous =
manufacturer's tolerance numbers? I've attached the alignment =
printout.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I'm =
ready to ditch this car and buy almost anything else just so it won't =
pull. It's like an itch on my back I can't scratch.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">thanks,</div><div =
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At 09:33 AM 3/24/2022, Jim Franklin wrote:

 >I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search for a wagon with
 >a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely inflated price 
tag. During the
 >test drive I noticed a shake in the front end as well as a pull to the left.

Jim,

A couple of thoughts:

Did you get a Car Fax on the car.  It almost sounds like it may have 
been in and
accident and not repaired properly.

I believe the Mazda 3 is a front wheel drive car.  Has anyone checked the rear
wheel bearings?  These are usually inexpensive.

I know you had the wheels check, but you can check the wheels for 
true easily.  Jack up the car, and make quick and dirty tool to check 
the wheels, or buy a dial indicator.  Make a pointer, make a little 
stand with a wooden base and vertical stick.
Put a pointer on the stick.  Then slide the pointer to where it just 
touches the rim
and spin the wheel.  Look for a gap to increase/decrease.  If the gap 
is uniform
the wheel is fine, go on to the next one.

 >The local shop swapped front tires L-R and the pull completely went 
away but the
 >shake didn't (shop said rims were bent).

This could mean that a ball joint is bad, or if the car as an upper A 
arm or lower
control arm, the bushings could be bad causing the shake.

 >Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently sweeping
 >curves,

This could indicate a worn bushing and the suspension is moving under loading.

John




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<font size=3>At 09:33 AM 3/24/2022, Jim Franklin wrote:<br><br>
&gt;I bought a 2013 Mazda3 in January after an exhaustive search for a
wagon with<br>
&gt;a stick. With only 55k miles, I justified the hugely inflated price
tag. During the <br>
&gt;test drive I noticed a shake in the front end as well as a pull to
the left. <br><br>
Jim,<br><br>
A couple of thoughts:<br><br>
Did you get a Car Fax on the car.&nbsp; It almost sounds like it may have
been in and<br>
accident and not repaired properly.<br><br>
I believe the Mazda 3 is a front wheel drive car.&nbsp; Has anyone
checked the rear<br>
wheel bearings?&nbsp; These are usually inexpensive.<br><br>
I know you had the wheels check, but you can check the wheels for true
easily.&nbsp; Jack up the car, and make quick and dirty tool to check the
wheels, or buy a dial indicator.&nbsp; Make a pointer, make a little
stand with a wooden base and vertical stick.&nbsp; <br>
Put a pointer on the stick.&nbsp; Then slide the pointer to where it just
touches the rim <br>
and spin the wheel.&nbsp; Look for a gap to increase/decrease.&nbsp; If
the gap is uniform <br>
the wheel is fine, go on to the next one.<br><br>
&gt;The local shop swapped front tires L-R and the pull completely went
away but the <br>
&gt;shake didn't (shop said rims were bent). <br><br>
This could mean that a ball joint is bad, or if the car as an upper A arm
or lower <br>
control arm, the bushings could be bad causing the shake.<br><br>
&gt;Because the shake would come and go as I took long but gently
sweeping <br>
&gt;curves,<br><br>
This could indicate a worn bushing and the suspension is moving under
loading.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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hell when I turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something =
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Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on the
highway? i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see
if they're significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a
brake hanging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.

It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and
forth.

-Paul

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>
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.
>
>
> Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as
> long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels
> are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures.
> It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I
> turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque
> into the steering.
>
> What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in
> spec but something is still putting a force on the system.
>
> jim
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ft side to see if they&#39;re significantly hotter than on the right. That =
could point to a brake hanging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.=
<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s puzzling to me that the pull would change when=
 you move tires back and forth.<br><div><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></di=
v></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
jamesf@groupwbench.org">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
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break-word;"><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 24, 2022, a=
t 11:05 PM, David Scheidt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmscheidt@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><br><div class=
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which the alignment machine measures. It&#39;s not like things are fine whe=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Car pulls left
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I=E2=80=99ve been thinking about that too. I=E2=80=99d check to see if the w=
heels have the same offset, at least in each pair.=20

Peace,
Pat=20

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 25, 2022, at 7:29 AM, Paul Parkanzky <parkanzky@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on the high=
way? i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see if t=
hey're significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a brake h=
anging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.

It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and f=
orth.

-Paul

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:=

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>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired. =20=

>=20
> Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as=
 long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels=
 are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It=
's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn=
 the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into th=
e steering.=20
>=20
> What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in s=
pec but something is still putting a force on the system.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve been thinking about that too. I=
=E2=80=99d check to see if the wheels have the same offset, at least in each=
 pair.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 25, 2022, at 7:29 AM, Paul Parkanzky &lt=
;parkanzky@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run o=
n the highway? i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side t=
o see if they're significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to=
 a brake hanging up a bit or a wheel bearing that is failing.<div><br></div>=
<div>It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back=
 and forth.<br><div><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 25=
, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org"=
>jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><br><div><br>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmscheidt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dmscheidt@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"fon=
t-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal=
;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;t=
ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"=
><div><br></div><div>Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and p=
oorly repaired. &nbsp;</div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Perhaps,=
 however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as long as t=
he wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels are 4 ind=
ependent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It's not lik=
e things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn the wheel=
 - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into the steering=
.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>What I'm searching for is a way that the al=
ignment numbers would read in spec but something is still putting a force on=
 the system.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>jim</div></div>_________________=
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:01 AM David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:41 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:05 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Take it to a body shop, I'd bet it's been crashed, and poorly repaired.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps, however, even if the car was crushed into a ball and unfolded, as long as the wheels are in alignment, it shouldn't matter, right? The wheels are 4 independent points in space, which the alignment machine measures. It's not like things are fine when pointed straight but go to hell when I turn the wheel - it's when pointed straight that something puts a torque into the steering.
> >
> > What I'm searching for is a way that the alignment numbers would read in spec but something is still putting a force on the system.
> >
>
> The alignment rack isn't measuring the relationship of the wheels.
> the left wheels are supposed to be directly to the left of the right
> wheels, and the back wheels directly behind (or a specified offset)
> the front ones.  If you move a front wheel forward or back, the car
> won't go straight, but the alignment can be correct.
>

(forgot to send to the list)

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> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:01 AM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> The alignment rack isn't measuring the relationship of the wheels.
> the left wheels are supposed to be directly to the left of the right
> wheels, and the back wheels directly behind (or a specified offset)
> the front ones.  If you move a front wheel forward or back, the car
> won't go straight, but the alignment can be correct.

It's possible my shop doesn't have a modern enough rack so I just went =
out and measured the setback, and it's dead on. Good suggestion though, =
I hadn't thought of that.

jim


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class=3D"">On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:01 AM, David Scheidt &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmscheidt@gmail.com" class=3D"">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">The alignment rack isn't =
measuring the relationship of the wheels.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">the left wheels are supposed to be directly to the left of =
the right</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">wheels, and =
the back wheels directly behind (or a specified offset)</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">the front ones. &nbsp;If you =
move a front wheel forward or back, the car</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">won't go straight, but the =
alignment can be correct.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote><br =
class=3D""></div><div>It's possible my shop doesn't have a modern enough =
rack so I just went out and measured the setback, and it's dead on. Good =
suggestion though, I hadn't thought of that.</div><div><br =
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At 08:24 AM 3/25/2022, Paul Parkanzky wrote:

 >Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on 
the highway?
 > i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see 
if they're
 >significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a brake 
hanging up a bit
 >or a wheel bearing that is failing.

I don't think I'd touch the hub or especially the caliper after a 
drive.  Good way to
get a pretty good burn.  But checking temps is a good idea.  Get an 
Infred Thermometer and check the temps with that:

https://www.harborfreight.com/121-infrared-laser-thermometer-63985.html

 >It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move tires back and
 >forth.

That would indicate a tire or wheel problem.

John




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<font size=3>At 08:24 AM 3/25/2022, Paul Parkanzky wrote:<br><br>
&gt;Is there anything on that side that is warm/hot after a long run on
the highway?<br>
&gt; i.e. Put your hand on the hub and calipers on the left side to see
if they're <br>
&gt;significantly hotter than on the right. That could point to a brake
hanging up a bit <br>
&gt;or a wheel bearing that is failing.<br><br>
I don't think I'd touch the hub or especially the caliper after a
drive.&nbsp; Good way to<br>
get a pretty good burn.&nbsp; But checking temps is a good idea.&nbsp;
Get an Infred Thermometer and check the temps with that:<br><br>
<a href="https://www.harborfreight.com/121-infrared-laser-thermometer-63985.html" eudora="autourl">
https://www.harborfreight.com/121-infrared-laser-thermometer-63985.html<br>
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</a>&gt;It's puzzling to me that the pull would change when you move
tires back and <br>
&gt;forth.<br><br>
That would indicate a tire or wheel problem.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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That's a tough call.  Without knowing what make and model hydrostat is in
it, I'd suggest replacing the mower.  I have a similarly aged Grasshopper
zero turn that I have been having a similar debate about.  In my case I
decided to rebuild the motor (1750 hours).  My motors was not in bad
shape.  The big end of the connecting rod clearance was just out of spec
and the ring gap was just over the limit.  I checked for cylinder
straightness and out of round and found it all to be within tolerance.  It
was not too expensive to replace the connecting rods and the rings to get
back into spec.  I also replaced all the bearings and oil seals as well as
the PTO clutch (bent the pulley getting it off).  Total bill for the parts
was just over $500.  I probably spent 10 hours or so doing the work.  If
you can do the work yourself, consider going this route.  I don't know what
a shop would charge to do this stuff, but I am guessing it would be at
least $1500 for the rebuild.  At that price it might not make sense.  I
have only ever had one issue with the hydro's on this mower, and again I
was able to do the work myself.  But I have also heard that parts for the
older units are getting hard to find, especially Peerless units.  I have
been watching the rise of the electric machines, and have basically decided
to try to keep my grasshopper going until there is a good all electric
option.

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> I have a 20 year old gravely zero turn radius lawnmower. The mower is
> solidly built and has held up well. My problem is the engine is on its la=
st
> leg and I=E2=80=99m questioning whether it would be worth replacing. The =
main issue
> is the hydrostatic transmission for the drive. They=E2=80=99ve never give=
 me
> trouble but I=E2=80=99m wondering how long they generally hold up.
> I do know they=E2=80=99re expensive to replace.
> Should I take a gamble on just replacing the engine?
> Bob Nogueira
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s a tough call.=C2=A0 Without knowing what make a=
nd model hydrostat is in it, I&#39;d suggest replacing the mower.=C2=A0 I h=
ave a similarly aged Grasshopper zero turn that I have been having a simila=
r debate about.=C2=A0 In my case I decided to rebuild the motor (1750 hours=
).=C2=A0 My motors was not in bad shape.=C2=A0 The big end of the connectin=
g rod clearance was just out of spec and the ring gap was just over the lim=
it.=C2=A0 I checked for cylinder straightness and out of round and found it=
 all to be within tolerance.=C2=A0 It was not too expensive to replace the =
connecting rods and the rings to get back into spec.=C2=A0 I also replaced =
all the bearings and oil seals as well as the PTO clutch (bent the pulley g=
etting it off).=C2=A0 Total bill for the parts was just over $500.=C2=A0 I =
probably spent 10 hours or so doing the work.=C2=A0 If you can do the work =
yourself, consider going this route.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t know what a shop wou=
ld charge to do this stuff, but I am guessing it would be at least $1500 fo=
r the rebuild.=C2=A0 At that price it might not make sense.=C2=A0 I have on=
ly ever had one issue with the hydro&#39;s on this mower, and again I was a=
ble to do the work myself.=C2=A0 But I have also heard that parts for the o=
lder units are getting hard to find, especially Peerless units.=C2=A0 I hav=
e been watching the rise of the electric machines, and have basically decid=
ed to try to keep my grasshopper going until there is a good all electric o=
ption.=C2=A0 <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
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I have a 20 year old gravely zero turn radius lawnmower. The mower is solid=
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and I=E2=80=99m questioning whether it would be worth replacing. The main i=
ssue is the hydrostatic transmission for the drive. They=E2=80=99ve never g=
ive me trouble but I=E2=80=99m wondering how long they generally hold up.<b=
r>
I do know they=E2=80=99re expensive to replace.<br>
Should I take a gamble on just replacing the engine?<br>
Bob Nogueira<br>
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:25 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> BTW, here is a short video of it with the snow blower (and enclosed cab.)
> https://youtu.be/Y8WGm5EINjY
>
> That thing ROCKS!

We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but pollen season is about to
start and it looks like it might be handy for that, too.
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The yellow scourge is upon us!

Columbus

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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:25 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> BTW, here is a short video of it with the snow blower (and enclosed cab.)
> https://youtu.be/Y8WGm5EINjY
>
> That thing ROCKS!

We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but pollen season is about to
start and it looks like it might be handy for that, too.
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Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

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thanks
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One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping 
quote for you' places.

Specifically Freightquote.com
They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and 
you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit 
with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you 
stated, it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell 
you the SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at 
them.  THEY are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.

I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies 
directly.

However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine 
that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business. 

Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs 
(as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the 
account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please 
discount your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to 
it!

I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost 
effective. 

Enjoy!

Moose





From:   "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
To:     "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:   03/28/2022 13:09
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Hi all, 

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach. 

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know 
is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid. 

thanks
tim_______________________________________________

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">One thing I found is to NOT use any of
the 'we'll find the best shipping quote for you' places.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Specifically Freightquote.com</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">They will give you a great price quote.
&nbsp;Then arrange everything and you'll package will get picked up and
delivered, but then you'll get hit with TONS of fees and penalties. &nbsp;(The
package was heavier then you stated, it was larger, it wasn't packaged
properly, etc.) &nbsp;They will tell you the SHIPPERS are the ones charging
the fees so you don't get mad at them. &nbsp;THEY are the ones 'underquoting'
the price then charging you more.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I ship infrequently at best, and had
hit or miss luck with most companies directly.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">However I found and love UPS freight.
&nbsp;I got this tip from a buddy of mine that ships TONS of packages all
the time from his business. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Call UPS and open a freight account.
&nbsp;Be honest with your shipping needs (as long as you plan to ship more
in the future.) &nbsp;Then once they open the account, you should be talking
to a local rep. &nbsp;Ask them to please discount your price by 40%. &nbsp;They
should do it. &nbsp;That is all there is to it!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I use them all the time. &nbsp;They
are GREAT, reliable and very cost effective. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Enjoy!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Tim .&quot; &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Shop &nbsp;Talk&quot;
&lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">03/28/2022 13:09</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Freight shippers to avoid</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
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<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">Hi all, </font>
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<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">Looking to have a crate of engines shipped
to Long Beach. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">I can go online easily enough to get shipping
quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
</font>
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<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">thanks</font>
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Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't=
 kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was =
done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with=
 the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it o=
nline. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great =
hose.

Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.

Thanks
Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID

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Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't=
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done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with=
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Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.</div>
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Brian,

i have several Craftsman 100% rubber hoses that are more than 25 years old and have never had a problem.

Ron Olds

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Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose. 

Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality. 

Thanks 
Brian Warrick 
Nampa, ID 

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IMO, rubber is the way to go (I have to drag several long hoses around 
to water a large yard). The plastic ones get stiff as <insert favorite 
analogy here> in the cold, kink easily and eventually crack. Rubber 
isn't perfect; it can kink if you abuse it and will eventually 
deteriorate, turning your hands black, but will work for a decade or 
more and the fittings are usually more robust. Unfortunately, as the 
plastic ones are so much cheaper--all some people care about--rubber 
hoses are getting harder to find, but I've bought several Craftsmen 
brand off Amazon over the years.


On 3/28/2022 11:46 AM, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that 
> won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one 
> that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam 
> green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have 
> been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years 
> ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Warrick
> Nampa, ID
>

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    IMO, rubber is the way to go (I have to drag several long hoses
    around to water a large yard). The plastic ones get stiff as
    &lt;insert favorite analogy here&gt; in the cold, kink easily and
    eventually crack. Rubber isn't perfect; it can kink if you abuse it
    and will eventually deteriorate, turning your hands black, but will
    work for a decade or more and the fittings are usually more robust.
    Unfortunately, as the plastic ones are so much cheaper--all some
    people care about--rubber hoses are getting harder to find, but I've
    bought several Craftsmen brand off Amazon over the years.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/2022 11:46 AM, Brian and Wendy
      Warrick wrote:<br>
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        Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose
        that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to
        replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one
        that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor"
        imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I
        bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a
        great hose.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.</div>
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        <br>
      </div>
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        Thanks</div>
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        Brian Warrick</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        Nampa, ID</div>
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> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
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I can't speak for its longevity but I bought a 100ft Flexzilla hose 
about 4 years ago.  It's easily the most flexible garden hose I've ever 
used, even when pressurized. It's not kink-proof but kinks...almost 
don't matter?  When my other two hoses kink I have to stop what I'm 
doing, walk over to the kink and manually untwist it.  But this hose is 
flexible enough that I just need to "flick" it like a whip and the kink 
usually undoes itself.

I'm really tempted to buy one of those 4000psi Flexzilla pressure washer 
hoses this year.  I loathe having to wrestle with my current pressure 
washer hose...


-- J


On 3/28/22 14:46, Brian and Wendy Warrick wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that 
> won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one 
> that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam 
> green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have 
> been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years 
> ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Warrick
> Nampa, ID
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I can't speak for its longevity but I
      bought a 100ft Flexzilla hose about 4 years ago.  It's easily the
      most flexible garden hose I've ever used, even when pressurized. 
      It's not kink-proof but kinks...almost don't matter?  When my
      other two hoses kink I have to stop what I'm doing, walk over to
      the kink and manually untwist it.  But this hose is flexible
      enough that I just need to "flick" it like a whip and the kink
      usually undoes itself.  <br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <p>I'm really tempted to buy one of those 4000psi Flexzilla pressure
      washer hoses this year.  I loathe having to wrestle with my
      current pressure washer hose...</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">-- J<br>
    </div>
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    </div>
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    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/22 14:46, Brian and Wendy
      Warrick wrote:<br>
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        Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose
        that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to
        replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one
        that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor"
        imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I
        bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a
        great hose.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
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I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to g=
et a Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blu=
e Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship betwe=
en Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their store &=
 pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.=20

Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service bu=
t it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi all,=20

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.=20

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is=
 if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.=20

thanks
tim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, bu=
t several years ago I needed to get a Roadster &nbsp;5 speed trans shipped f=
rom Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any=
 others I called. They only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arra=
nge to get the crates to their store &amp; pick them up. Give them a call, i=
t can=E2=80=99t hurt.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Someone said that during the p=
andemic they were not offering this service but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that o=
n their site today.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div=
><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim=
 . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF

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Hi all,&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is=
 if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
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<br>
</div>
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thanks</div>
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tim</div>


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Agree - check with Fastenal to see if they have resumed shipping. I've
shipped a few large items - strapped or bolted onto a pallet - using
Fastenal. They do not promise a delivery date or offer tracking but if the
item is not time-critical it is (was?) a good bargain.

EjR

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:48 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

> I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed t=
o get a
> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their
> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.
>
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service
> but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote=
:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Agree - check with Fastenal to see if they have resumed sh=
ipping. I&#39;ve shipped a few large items - strapped or bolted onto a pall=
et - using Fastenal. They do not promise a delivery date or offer tracking =
but if the item is not time-critical it is (was?) a good bargain.=C2=A0<div=
><br></div><div>EjR=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:48 PM Pat Horne &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com">patintexas@icloud.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"auto">I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I nee=
ded to get a Roadster =C2=A05 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX=
. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They =
only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates =
to their store &amp; pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Someone said that during the pandemic they were n=
ot offering this service but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site toda=
y.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stu=
ff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF





<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
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Hi all,=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know i=
s if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
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tim</div>


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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:34:26 -0400
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is
east, and west is west....

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

> I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed t=
o get a
> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their
> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.
>
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service
> but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote=
:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"auto">I seem to recall that they don&#39;t ship across the Miss=
issippi.=C2=A0 East is east, and west is west....</div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:4=
8 Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com">patintexas@icloud.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed t=
o get a Roadster =C2=A05 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fas=
tenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only =
ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to th=
eir store &amp; pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>Someone said that during the pandemic they were not =
offering this service but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF





<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hi all,=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know i=
s if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>


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I had a trans shipped from Florida to Texas a few years ago. Things may have=
 changed. Worth asking though.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 28, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is east,=
 and west is west....

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
> I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed to=
 get a Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal B=
lue Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship bet=
ween Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to their store=
 & pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.=20
>=20
> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this service b=
ut it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi all,=20
>=20
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.=20
>=20
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know i=
s if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.=20
>=20
> thanks
> tim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I had a trans shipped from Florida to Texas=
 a few years ago. Things may have changed. Worth asking though.&nbsp;<div><b=
r></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<di=
v>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Mar 28, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;fishplate@gmail.com&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">I seem to r=
ecall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.&nbsp; East is east, and w=
est is west....</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pat=
intexas@icloud.com">patintexas@icloud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to us=
e, but several years ago I needed to get a Roadster &nbsp;5 speed trans ship=
ped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well unde=
r any others I called. They only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to=
 arrange to get the crates to their store &amp; pick them up. Give them a ca=
ll, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Someone said that during=
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at<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humani=
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nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><=
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<br>
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Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know is=
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:=
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<br>
</div>
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From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:50:30 -0400
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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I shipped an MGA transmission from North Carolina to Utah or Idaho. But
that was BC - Before Covid.

EjR

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 6:34 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> I seem to recall that they don't ship across the Mississippi.  East is
> east, and west is west....
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years ago I needed =
to get a
>> Roadster  5 speed trans shipped from Florida to Austin TX. Fastenal Blue
>> Lane shipping came in well under any others I called. They only ship
>> between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get the crates to thei=
r
>> store & pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=99t hurt.
>>
>> Someone said that during the pandemic they were not offering this servic=
e
>> but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their site today.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>
>> Pat Horne
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>>
>> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to kno=
w
>> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>>
>> thanks
>> tim
>> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I shipped an MGA transmission=C2=A0from North Carolina to =
Utah or Idaho. But that=C2=A0was BC - Before Covid.=C2=A0<div><br></div><di=
v>EjR=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 6:34 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I see=
m to recall that they don&#39;t ship across the Mississippi.=C2=A0 East is =
east, and west is west....</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:48 Pat Horne &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">I can=E2=80=99t tell you who NOT to use, but several years =
ago I needed to get a Roadster =C2=A05 speed trans shipped from Florida to =
Austin TX. Fastenal Blue Lane shipping came in well under any others I call=
ed. They only ship between Fastenal stores so you have to arrange to get th=
e crates to their store &amp; pick them up. Give them a call, it can=E2=80=
=99t hurt.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Someone said that during the pandemic t=
hey were not offering this service but it doesn=E2=80=99t say that on their=
 site today.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div=
><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tim . &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF





<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hi all,=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know i=
s if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>


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From: RandE <rande90@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:11:06 -0500
To: ShopTalk <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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The last time I shipped something big with UPS it was a disaster.  I
shipped a transmission.  Built a crate for it and strapped it down.  It
finally got to the destination with broken mounting bolt holes and no
crate.  Just the bare transmission with a new label stuck to it.  Filed a
claim.  They came and picked it up.  Then in a couple days delivered it
back to the destination again.  Contacted UPS again so they went back and
got it again and shipped it back to me.

Randy


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping
> quote for you' places.
>
> Specifically Freightquote.com
> They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and
> you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit
> with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you stated,
> it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell you the
> SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at them.  THEY
> are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.
>
> I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies
> directly.
>
> However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine
> that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business.
>
> Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs
> (as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the
> account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please discount
> your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to it!
>
> I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost
> effective.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
> To:        "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Date:        03/28/2022 13:09
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim_______________________________________________
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The last time I shipped something=C2=A0big with UPS it was=
 a disaster.=C2=A0 I shipped a transmission.=C2=A0 Built a crate for it and=
 strapped it down.=C2=A0 It finally got to the destination with broken moun=
ting bolt holes and no crate.=C2=A0 Just the bare transmission with a new l=
abel stuck to it.=C2=A0 Filed a claim.=C2=A0 They came and picked it up.=C2=
=A0 Then in a couple days delivered it back to the destination again.=C2=A0=
 Contacted UPS again so they went back and got it again and shipped it back=
 to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Randy</div><div><br></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Ma=
r 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megagee=
k.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One thing I found is to NOT use a=
ny of
the &#39;we&#39;ll find the best shipping quote for you&#39; places.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Specifically Freightquote.com</fon=
t>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">They will give you a great price q=
uote.
=C2=A0Then arrange everything and you&#39;ll package will get picked up and
delivered, but then you&#39;ll get hit with TONS of fees and penalties. =C2=
=A0(The
package was heavier then you stated, it was larger, it wasn&#39;t packaged
properly, etc.) =C2=A0They will tell you the SHIPPERS are the ones charging
the fees so you don&#39;t get mad at them.=C2=A0 THEY are the ones &#39;und=
erquoting&#39;
the price then charging you more.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I ship infrequently at best, and h=
ad
hit or miss luck with most companies directly.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">However I found and love UPS freig=
ht.
=C2=A0I got this tip from a buddy of mine that ships TONS of packages all
the time from his business. =C2=A0</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Call UPS and open a freight accoun=
t.
=C2=A0Be honest with your shipping needs (as long as you plan to ship more
in the future.) =C2=A0Then once they open the account, you should be talkin=
g
to a local rep.=C2=A0 Ask them to please discount your price by 40%.=C2=A0 =
They
should do it.=C2=A0 That is all there is to it!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I use them all the time.=C2=A0 The=
y
are GREAT, reliable and very cost effective. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Enjoy!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Tim .&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun=
_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Shop =C2=A0Talk&quo=
t;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
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=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">03/28/2022 13:09</font>
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From: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:18:29 -0500
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
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I can't speak as a SHIPPER using UPS freight, but having received a couple
shipments from others using their service I really don't like them.  They
claim that they will deliver to a residential address with liftgate
service, but, more often than not they will refuse to make the final
delivery.  Twice now, after I paid for lift gate service, I got a call from
UPS saying I had to pick up my shipment at a distribution center.  I can
understand not wanting to pull in the driveway with a semi or long straight
truck, but other shippers I have received form would al least set the load
down on the curb or transfer it to my pickup on the street at my home.  I'm
not sure why UPS even offers liftgate service if they won't actually
provide it when the shipment comes in.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> One thing I found is to NOT use any of the 'we'll find the best shipping
> quote for you' places.
>
> Specifically Freightquote.com
> They will give you a great price quote.  Then arrange everything and
> you'll package will get picked up and delivered, but then you'll get hit
> with TONS of fees and penalties.  (The package was heavier then you stated,
> it was larger, it wasn't packaged properly, etc.)  They will tell you the
> SHIPPERS are the ones charging the fees so you don't get mad at them.  THEY
> are the ones 'underquoting' the price then charging you more.
>
> I ship infrequently at best, and had hit or miss luck with most companies
> directly.
>
> However I found and love UPS freight.  I got this tip from a buddy of mine
> that ships TONS of packages all the time from his business.
>
> Call UPS and open a freight account.  Be honest with your shipping needs
> (as long as you plan to ship more in the future.)  Then once they open the
> account, you should be talking to a local rep.  Ask them to please discount
> your price by 40%.  They should do it.  That is all there is to it!
>
> I use them all the time.  They are GREAT, reliable and very cost
> effective.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
> To:        "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Date:        03/28/2022 13:09
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Freight shippers to avoid
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.
>
> I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know
> is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
>
> thanks
> tim_______________________________________________
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I can&#39;t speak as a SHIPPER using UPS freight, but havi=
ng received a couple shipments from others using their service I really don=
&#39;t like them.=C2=A0 They claim that they will deliver to a residential =
address with liftgate service, but, more often than not they will refuse to=
 make the final delivery.=C2=A0 Twice now, after I paid for lift gate servi=
ce, I got a call from UPS saying I had to pick up my shipment at a distribu=
tion center.=C2=A0 I can understand not wanting to pull in the driveway wit=
h a semi or long straight truck, but other shippers I have received form wo=
uld al least set the load down on the curb or transfer it to my pickup on t=
he street at my home.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure why UPS even offers liftgate s=
ervice if they won&#39;t actually provide it when the shipment comes in.<br=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">e=
ric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One thing I found is t=
o NOT use any of
the &#39;we&#39;ll find the best shipping quote for you&#39; places.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Specifically Freightquote.com</fon=
t>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">They will give you a great price q=
uote.
=C2=A0Then arrange everything and you&#39;ll package will get picked up and
delivered, but then you&#39;ll get hit with TONS of fees and penalties. =C2=
=A0(The
package was heavier then you stated, it was larger, it wasn&#39;t packaged
properly, etc.) =C2=A0They will tell you the SHIPPERS are the ones charging
the fees so you don&#39;t get mad at them.=C2=A0 THEY are the ones &#39;und=
erquoting&#39;
the price then charging you more.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I ship infrequently at best, and h=
ad
hit or miss luck with most companies directly.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">However I found and love UPS freig=
ht.
=C2=A0I got this tip from a buddy of mine that ships TONS of packages all
the time from his business. =C2=A0</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Call UPS and open a freight accoun=
t.
=C2=A0Be honest with your shipping needs (as long as you plan to ship more
in the future.) =C2=A0Then once they open the account, you should be talkin=
g
to a local rep.=C2=A0 Ask them to please discount your price by 40%.=C2=A0 =
They
should do it.=C2=A0 That is all there is to it!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I use them all the time.=C2=A0 The=
y
are GREAT, reliable and very cost effective. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Enjoy!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Tim .&quot; &lt;<a =
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<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
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t;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
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<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">03/28/2022 13:09</font>
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=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Freight shippers to avoid</font>
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<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Hi all, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Looking to have a crate of engines sh=
ipped
to Long Beach. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">I can go online easily enough to get =
shipping
quotes. What I need to know is if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.
</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">thanks</font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 21:02:45 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
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I have a couple of those Craftsman hoses, and they are in
astonishingly good condition after 15 years.  Probably can't buy the
like of them today, but we have bought some hoses at work that seem
equally durable, but they are incredibly heavy.  Can't remember the
brand, but they came from Grainger, I think.  Yellow in color...

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:24 PM <ronald.olds@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> i have several Craftsman 100% rubber hoses that are more than 25 years old and have never had a problem.
>
> Ron Olds
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian and Wendy Warrick" <maynerdfamily@msn.com>
> To: "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 2:46:02 PM
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Good quality garden hose
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good quality garden hose that won't kink and last more than a couple of years? I need to replace one that was done at the end of last fall. I have one that is a seafoam green color with the word "contractor" imprinted on it, but I have been unable to find it online. I bought it at Costco probably 15 years ago and it has been a great hose.
>
> Cost isn't really an issue. I am looking for good quality.
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> Brian Warrick
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Thanks for the replies all. I am aware of Fastenal but should have noted th=
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Despite having a UPS account I think I will avoid them.

Thanks again
tim
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Hi all,

Looking to have a crate of engines shipped to Long Beach.

I can go online easily enough to get shipping quotes. What I need to know i=
s if there are shippers to absolutely avoid.

thanks
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Despite having a UPS account I think I will avoid them.&nbsp;</div>
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