Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:23:02 -0600

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Late to the party as usual.

Mine is 8 x 10.5.  My late nephew-by-marriage assembled while I was at
work.  Had several guys move it to a place I didn't like for several
reasons.  Argued with my wife for years about it.

Finally the maple-tree roots had forced it so out-of-whack that the doors
would not close right.  SWMBO finally said I could move it.

The place where I wanted it is not level.  I built a dead-level
treated-wood frame on six precast-concrete post-bases.  Topped that with
treated plywood.  This means that the door is not at ground level.  Not
good for lawnmower and garden cart.  I bought a pair of pickup-truck ramps
at Horrible Freight.  Built a way to slide them onto cleats below the floor
so they would be out of the rain/snow and not cluttering up the inside of
the shed.

Got a young, smart, buddy to help me disassemble the shed.  Screwed the
shed floor to the plywood. Buddy helped me reassemble the shed and run
power to it.

Doors work again.  Cantilevered steps work fine for most access.  Ramps are
easy to pull out of their homes between joists and put in place.
Lawnmower and garden cart roll in and out just fine.  Bonus is that I can
prop the ramps up to get to underside of mower for service.

This should last for years.  I have "platforms" at both front and back
doors of my house built the same way, and they have not moved in decades.
("Decks" need permits and frost footings.)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim
> it up to get the doors to work.  These are light, durable and inexpensive
> but not very sturdy.  You can probably get by with scraping the dirt flat
> but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may have to
> tug the get the doors open and closed.
>
> Still might be less work than pouring a slab.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am
> Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?
>
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> moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service
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> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am
> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to
> hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden
> stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to
> actually get some work done on my cars.
>
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as
> the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt
> that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a
> small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?
> That will likely cost more than the shed!
>
> mjb.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Late to the party as usual.<div><br></div=
><div>Mine is 8 x 10.5.=C2=A0 My late nephew-by-marriage assembled while I =
was at work.=C2=A0 Had several guys move it to a place I didn&#39;t like fo=
r=C2=A0several reasons.=C2=A0 Argued with my wife for years about it.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Finally the maple-tree roots had forced it so out-of-wh=
ack that the doors would not close right.=C2=A0 SWMBO finally said I could =
move it.</div><div><br></div><div>The place where I wanted it is not level.=
=C2=A0 I built a dead-level treated-wood frame on six precast-concrete post=
-bases.=C2=A0 Topped that with treated plywood.=C2=A0 This means that the d=
oor is not at ground level.=C2=A0 Not good for lawnmower=C2=A0and garden ca=
rt.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of pickup-truck ramps at Horrible Freight.=C2=A0 =
Built a way to slide them onto cleats below the floor so they would be out =
of the rain/snow and not cluttering up the inside of the shed.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Got a young, smart, buddy to help me disassemble the shed.=C2=
=A0 Screwed the shed floor to the plywood. Buddy helped me reassemble the s=
hed and run power to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Doors=C2=A0work again.=C2=
=A0 Cantilevered steps work fine for most access.=C2=A0 Ramps are easy to p=
ull out of their homes between joists and put in place.=C2=A0 Lawnmower=C2=
=A0and garden cart roll in and out just fine.=C2=A0 Bonus is that I can pro=
p the ramps up to get to underside of mower for service.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>This should last for years.=C2=A0 I have &quot;platforms&quot; at bo=
th front and back doors of my house built the same way, and they have not m=
oved in decades.=C2=A0 (&quot;Decks&quot; need permits and frost footings.)=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, J=
un 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk an=
d we still had to shim it up to get the doors to work.=C2=A0 These are ligh=
t, durable and inexpensive but not very sturdy.=C2=A0 You can probably get =
by with scraping the dirt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt=
 can flow and you may have to tug the get the doors open and closed.</font>=
</div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Still might be less work than pouring a slab.</font><=
br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Mark J Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">First off. I&#39;ll inform you that I had Comcast, my serv=
ice provider, <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled u=
nit.=C2=A0 At the <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no se=
rvice <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of =
the way I am <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">planning getting a plastic garden shed. I&#39;m looking at=
 one big enough to <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically a=
ll the garden <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I ne=
ed the room to <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">actually get some work done on my cars.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes =
with a plastic slab as <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">the floor.=C2=A0 What do you think, can I just scrape a sp=
ace in the dirt <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">that is fairly level and call it good?=C2=A0 Or go all the=
 way and have a <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a =
foundation?=C2=A0 <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">That will likely cost more than the shed!<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">mjb.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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LIke Phillip, I came late to this party.  Back in 2008 I replaced my 
rusted metal
erector set shed with a nice 10x12 vinyl shed, in the same place as 
the old shed.

The old shed was put up on a handfull of cinder block piers and then 
had the metal
floor/foundation frame, and covered with plywood.  Eventually, the 
plywood failed
and I fell through the 6".  That's when I decided I'm put up the new 
shed instead
of trying to fix the curret one.

But there was a problem, that part of my back year has a tendency to end up
underwater when we get our spring & summer rains.  To take care take care of
this, I built a perimeter of garden timbers, 2 high, which I staked 
in place by drilling
some holes through the garden timbers and driving some rebar through and into
the ground.

Fortunately, my best friend worked in construction driving a dump 
truck brought over a load of crush & run, which you can get from Home 
Depot, Lowes, etc. to
fill the frameto a depth of about 3".  Then covered the crush & run 
with dirt, and
used a tamper, again compliments of my buddy, which can be rented from Home
Depot, etc.  We covers dirt foundation with a very thick plastic 
vapor barrier and
then used solid cinderblock for the flooring.  Once the foundation was complete
we started erecting the shed.

Here's a short article I did about the project:

https://www.gomog.com/BLAIR/other/Shed/shed.html

and if you want email me and I can send you the pictures of working 
on the foundation and putting up the shed.

John

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LIke Phillip, I came late to this party.&nbsp; Back in 2008 I replaced my
rusted metal<br>
erector set shed with a nice 10x12 vinyl shed, in the same place as the
old shed.<br><br>
The old shed was put up on a handfull of cinder block piers and then had
the metal <br>
floor/foundation frame, and covered with plywood.&nbsp; Eventually, the
plywood failed<br>
and I fell through the 6&quot;.&nbsp; That's when I decided I'm put up
the new shed instead<br>
of trying to fix the curret one.<br><br>
But there was a problem, that part of my back year has a tendency to end
up<br>
underwater when we get our spring &amp; summer rains.&nbsp; To take care
take care of<br>
this, I built a perimeter of garden timbers, 2 high, which I staked in
place by drilling <br>
some holes through the garden timbers and driving some rebar through and
into <br>
the ground.&nbsp; <br><br>
Fortunately, my best friend worked in construction driving a dump truck
brought over a load of crush &amp; run, which you can get from Home
Depot, Lowes, etc. to<br>
fill the frameto a depth of about 3&quot;.&nbsp; Then covered the crush
&amp; run with dirt, and<br>
used a tamper, again compliments of my buddy, which can be rented from
Home<br>
Depot, etc.&nbsp; We covers dirt foundation with a very thick plastic
vapor barrier and<br>
then used solid cinderblock for the flooring.&nbsp; Once the foundation
was complete<br>
we started erecting the shed. <br><br>
Here's a short article I did about the project:<br><br>
<a href="https://www.gomog.com/BLAIR/other/Shed/shed.html" eudora="autourl">
https://www.gomog.com/BLAIR/other/Shed/shed.html<br><br>
</a>and if you want email me and I can send you the pictures of working
on the foundation and putting up the shed.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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