Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OEM Spark Plugs

From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 19:12:21 -0500

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Buy one of each and compare?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:35 PM Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

> My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is
> a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends
> new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000
> (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I wan=
t to take any
> chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different
> story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>
> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for th=
e plugs
> themselves.  They list at $55 *each*, although you can get them
> discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.
> https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b1=
1g-ngk-12290r9pa01
>  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual lists=
 the plugs
> as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in the
> above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (
> https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and
> you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.
>
> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK bo=
x
> are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group mor=
e
> than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in th=
e
> Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
>
> Jim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Buy one of each and compare?=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at =
6:35 PM Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">1789alpine@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is=
 approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a big one.=C2=A0 New timing=
 belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new spark plugs.=C2=A0 I=
 did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt)=
 but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to take any chances on =
a newer, more valuable vehicle.=C2=A0 Spark plugs are a different story and=
 the dealer gets over $300 to do those!<div><br></div><div>The reason chang=
ing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for the plugs themselves=
.=C2=A0 They list at $55 <u>each</u>, although you can get them discounted =
for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around. =C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7=
b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01" target=3D"_blank">https://www.hondapartsconnection.co=
m/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01</a> =C2=A0But, her=
e is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual lists the plugs =
as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in the ab=
ove link.=C2=A0 NGK lists that plug as $18 each (<a href=3D"https://www.ngk=
.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug</a>) and you=
 can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.</div><div><br></div><div>Ridgeli=
ne owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box are any=
 different from the ones in the Honda box.=C2=A0 I trust this group more th=
an fellow Ridgeline owners.=C2=A0 What do you guys say?=C2=A0 Are the plugs=
 in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?</div><div=
><br></div><div>Jim</div></div>____________________________________________=
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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 17:34:55 -0700

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On October 21, 2021 4:35:19 PM Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
> My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a 
> big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new 
> spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (it’s 
> 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don’t think I want to take any chances on 
> a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different story and the 
> dealer gets over $300 to do those!

Working on transverse V6s is generally a pain in the arse some worse than 
others.

I would use the off the shelf NGKs, just about any decent modern plug is 
going to do 105K without drama.

John.

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My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a=
 big one. &nbsp;New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommend=
s new spark plugs. &nbsp;I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,0=
00 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I wa=
nt to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle. &nbsp;Spark plugs=
 are a different story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!</blockquo=
te></div></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Working =
on transverse V6s is generally a pain in the arse some worse than others.&n=
bsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would use the off=
 the shelf NGKs, just about any decent modern plug is going to do 105K with=
out drama.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">John.&n=
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:30:21 -0400

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You are spot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane premi=
um for parts which they clearly source from someone else. Of course, I=E2=80=
=99m old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is highway robb=
ery:-)

Tom Coradeschi
[email-masked]

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, w=
hich is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recomm=
ends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (=
it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to=
 take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a diff=
erent story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>=20
> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price for the=
 plugs themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get them discoun=
ted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.  https://ww=
w.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r=
9pa01  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99s manual li=
sts the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda b=
ox in the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (https://www.ngk.com/=
ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and you can find them at Roc=
k Auto for about $12.
>=20
> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box=
 are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group more t=
han fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in the Ho=
nda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">You are spot on with this. There is no poin=
t in paying Honda an insane premium for parts which they clearly source from=
 someone else. Of course, I=E2=80=99m old enough to think that even 18 bucks=
 for a spark plug is highway robbery:-)<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D=
"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Coradeschi</span><div><span d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">tjcora@icloud=
.com</span></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct=
 21, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFMy 20=
17 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a big o=
ne. &nbsp;New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new s=
park plugs. &nbsp;I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (it=E2=
=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to take=
 any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle. &nbsp;Spark plugs are a diff=
erent story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!<div class=3D""><br cl=
ass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The reason changing plugs is so expensive is H=
onda=E2=80=99s price for the plugs themselves. &nbsp;They list at $55 <u cla=
ss=3D"">each</u>, although you can get them discounted for the low, low pric=
e of about $40 each if you shop around. &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.hondapa=
rtsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01" cl=
ass=3D"">https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dil=
zkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01</a> &nbsp;But, here is where it gets interesting: T=
he owner=E2=80=99s manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you c=
an clearly see on the Honda box in the above link. &nbsp;NGK lists that plug=
 as $18 each (<a href=3D"https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iri=
dium-spark-plug" class=3D"">https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-=
iridium-spark-plug</a>) and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.</d=
iv><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ridgeline owners see=
m to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box are any different fro=
m the ones in the Honda box. &nbsp;I trust this group more than fellow Ridge=
line owners. &nbsp;What do you guys say? &nbsp;Are the plugs in the Honda bo=
x likely to be different and worth an extra $170?</div><div class=3D""><br c=
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Honda likely performs another round of quality control and tests the NGK
plugs to make certain that they meet the needed criteria, and then brand
them as Honda white boxed plugs.  I am not saying the added cost is
justified.

If you go with the generic NGK you will most likely get the same thing
(who's to say NGK quality control is any better than Honda's (or vice
versa)?)

This is similar to what Intel does with CPU's-- they test all the chips off
a wafer, and the ones that don't meet the needed spec get resold as lower
spec, slower CPU.

Personally, I can't imagine that there is going to be a
noticeable difference in the spark output from a $12 NGK to a $40 HNGK.

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> You are spot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane
> premium for parts which they clearly source from someone else. Of course,
> I=E2=80=99m old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is hi=
ghway
> robbery:-)
> =EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service,=
 which is
t to take any
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Honda likely performs another round of quality control and=
 tests the NGK plugs to make certain that they meet the needed criteria, an=
d then brand them as Honda white boxed plugs.=C2=A0 I am not saying the add=
ed cost is justified.<div><br></div><div>If you go with the generic NGK you=
 will most likely get the same thing (who&#39;s to say NGK quality control =
is any better than Honda&#39;s (or vice versa)?)=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>=
<div>This is similar to what Intel does with CPU&#39;s-- they test all the =
chips off a wafer, and the ones that don&#39;t meet the needed spec get res=
old as lower spec, slower CPU.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I can&#=
39;t imagine that there is going to be a noticeable=C2=A0difference in the =
spark output from a $12 NGK to a $40 HNGK.</div><div><br></div></div><div i=
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t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">You are sp=
ot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane premium for pa=
rts which they clearly source from someone else. Of course, I=E2=80=99m old=
 enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is highway robbery:-)<=
br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)=
">Tom Coradeschi</span><div><span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"background-color:rgb=
a(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tj=
[email-masked]</a></span></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:1789=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a=
 big one.=C2=A0 New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommend=
s new spark plugs.=C2=A0 I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,0=
00 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I wa=
nt to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.=C2=A0 Spark plugs=
 are a different story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!<div><br><=
/div><div>The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s pric=
e for the plugs themselves.=C2=A0 They list at $55 <u>each</u>, although yo=
u can get them discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you s=
hop around. =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts=
/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01" target=3D"_blank">https://ww=
w.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290=
r9pa01</a> =C2=A0But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner=E2=80=99=
s manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see o=
n the Honda box in the above link.=C2=A0 NGK lists that plug as $18 each (<=
a href=3D"https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plu=
g" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridiu=
m-spark-plug</a>) and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plu=
gs in the NGK box are any different from the ones in the Honda box.=C2=A0 I=
 trust this group more than fellow Ridgeline owners.=C2=A0 What do you guys=
 say?=C2=A0 Are the plugs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth=
 an extra $170?</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div><span>___________________=
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At 07:30 AM 10/22/2021, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:

 >.... Of course, I'm old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a 
spark plug is
 >highway robbery:-)

Tom,

I'm with you on that.  I think we paid $5. for a set of plug for a 
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for gas (and down as low as $0.19) during gas wars!

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Thanks, Guys.  That all confirms what I suspected.  I hadn=E2=80=99t =
thought of the extra quality control step; that seems likely, but not =
worth the price difference.  I=E2=80=99ll gamble the $48 for the generic =
NGK plugs and report back if I notice any difference at all.

Jim

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 10:44 AM, MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Honda likely performs another round of quality control and tests the =
NGK plugs to make certain that they meet the needed criteria, and then =
brand them as Honda white boxed plugs.  I am not saying the added cost =
is justified.
>=20
> If you go with the generic NGK you will most likely get the same thing =
(who's to say NGK quality control is any better than Honda's (or vice =
versa)?)=20
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> This is similar to what Intel does with CPU's-- they test all the =
chips off a wafer, and the ones that don't meet the needed spec get =
resold as lower spec, slower CPU.
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> Personally, I can't imagine that there is going to be a noticeable =
difference in the spark output from a $12 NGK to a $40 HNGK.
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> You are spot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane =
premium for parts which they clearly source from someone else. Of =
course, I=E2=80=99m old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark =
plug is highway robbery:-)
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> Tom Coradeschi
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>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFMy 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile =
service, which is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but =
Honda also recommends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old =
Ridgeline at 220,000 (it=E2=80=99s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I =
don=E2=80=99t think I want to take any chances on a newer, more valuable =
vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different story and the dealer gets over =
$300 to do those!
>>=20
>> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda=E2=80=99s price =
for the plugs themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get =
them discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop =
around.  =
https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11=
g-ngk-12290r9pa01 =
<https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b1=
1g-ngk-12290r9pa01>  But, here is where it gets interesting: The =
owner=E2=80=99s manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you =
can clearly see on the Honda box in the above link.  NGK lists that plug =
as $18 each =
(https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug =
<https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug>) =
and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.
>>=20
>> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the =
NGK box are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this =
group more than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the =
plugs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
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class=3D"">Thanks, Guys. &nbsp;That all confirms what I suspected. =
&nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t thought of the extra quality control step; that =
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gamble the $48 for the generic NGK plugs and report back if I notice any =
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class=3D"">Honda likely performs another round of quality control and =
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and then brand them as Honda white boxed plugs.&nbsp; I am not saying =
the added cost is justified.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">If you go with the generic NGK you will most likely get the =
same thing (who's to say NGK quality control is any better than Honda's =
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the chips off a wafer, and the ones that don't meet the needed spec get =
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Personally, I can't imagine that there =
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robbery:-)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span =
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but it was a PITA and I don=E2=80=99t think I want to take any chances =
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The reason changing plugs is so =
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I’ve been in the production mgt business long enough to be very confident in asserting that Honda does no additional testing of any sort. They buy from NGK - in a “Honda” box - on a certificate of conformance and get on with life. After applying the appropriate 458% markup, of course.

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 10:44 AM, MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Honda likely performs another round of quality control and tests the NGK plugs to make certain that they meet the needed criteria, and then brand them as Honda white boxed plugs.  I am not saying the added cost is justified.
> 
> If you go with the generic NGK you will most likely get the same thing (who's to say NGK quality control is any better than Honda's (or vice versa)?) 
> 
> This is similar to what Intel does with CPU's-- they test all the chips off a wafer, and the ones that don't meet the needed spec get resold as lower spec, slower CPU.
> 
> Personally, I can't imagine that there is going to be a noticeable difference in the spark output from a $12 NGK to a $40 HNGK.
> 
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> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:42 AM Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]> wrote:
> You are spot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane premium for parts which they clearly source from someone else. Of course, I’m old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is highway robbery:-)
> 
> Tom Coradeschi
> [email-masked]
> 
>> My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (it’s 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I don’t think I want to take any chances on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different story and the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>> 
>> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Honda’s price for the plugs themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get them discounted for the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.  https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01  But, here is where it gets interesting: The owner’s manual lists the plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each (https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and you can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.
>> 
>> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group more than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in the Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
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>> Jim
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 08:47:49 -0400

Heck, I just bought a set of plugs for my wife’s Acadia - they ran like $7.50 each, from the dealer.

Honda has a history of price gouging, going back decades...

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> On 22 Oct 2021, at 1:00 PM, John T. Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> >.... Of course, I'm old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is 
> >highway robbery:-)
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> Tom,
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> I'm with you on that.  I think we paid $5. for a set of plug for a V8, and $.035

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