Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] water heating installation

From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 19:12:46 +0000

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House has gas with a "T" in the line for the water heater. The gas line wil=
l be 10-12'.

It is a good sized house with two full bathrooms. I want to make sure that =
the water heater is big enough for a family when we finally sell.

Would a slightly smaller sized tank make that much different in the price t=
hough?

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That seem within reason, but need more data.  Do you already have other gas=
 appliances?  If so, how far will new gas lines need to be run?  That is a =
HUGE water heater, are you sure you need 75 gallons?  We went from a 60 Gal=
lon electric to a 50 gallon gas and were quite happy, the gas heater recove=
red much faster than the electric one.

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We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it fails. We are s=
witching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75 gallon and labor (including t=
he venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That seem within reason, but need more data.&nbsp; Do you =
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need to be run?&nbsp; That is a HUGE water heater, are you sure you need 75=
 gallons?&nbsp; We went from a 60 Gallon electric to a
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We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it fails. We are s=
witching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75 gallon and labor (including t=
he venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.&nbsp;</div>
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   Offhand, I would say too high.  BUT how much work is involved ?   
When going from gas to gas, its a simple half hour project.  I don't 
know what the work would be going from Electric to Gas, never done 
that.  I would assume the plumbing is simple, the only part I can't know 
about is installing the venting.  Is that a complicated install ? going 
through upstairs floor ? or just a simple hole in the ceiling and roof 
with a pipe ?

  In So. Cal. one of the best things I did was move the water heater 
from inside the house to outside and built a shed around it, super easy 
to change now.  But in WI it might get too cold in winter for that to be 
reasonable, a lot of heat would be lost.
  Not enough information to know for sure.

     mike

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> are switching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75 gallon and labor 
> (including the venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">  Offhand, I would say too high.  BUT
      how much work is involved ?   When going from gas to gas, its a
      simple half hour project.  I don't know what the work would be
      going from Electric to Gas, never done that.  I would assume the
      plumbing is simple, the only part I can't know about is installing
      the venting.  Is that a complicated install ? going through
      upstairs floor ? or just a simple hole in the ceiling and roof
      with a pipe ?</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> In So. Cal. one of the best things I
      did was move the water heater from inside the house to outside and
      built a shed around it, super easy to change now.  But in WI it
      might get too cold in winter for that to be reasonable, a lot of
      heat would be lost.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Not enough information to know for
      sure.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">    mike<br>
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        We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it
        fails. We are switching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75
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        We live in southern WI. </div>
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It never hurts to get more estimates.=20

I had a furnace flue installed in my shop that took about 2 hours. It went t=
hrough a metal roof, up the outside of the building about 5=E2=80=99, then t=
hrough the overhang on the second floor - also metal. I supplied most of the=
 materials & they charged $500. This was last year in Texas.=20

Just guessing, but northern homes have basements, which will either require a=
 longer flue or a power vent, which can be quite expensive.=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">It never hurts to get more estimates.&nbsp;=
<div><br></div><div>I had a furnace flue installed in my shop that took abou=
t 2 hours. It went through a metal roof, up the outside of the building abou=
t 5=E2=80=99, then through the overhang on the second floor - also metal. I s=
upplied most of the materials &amp; they charged $500. This was last year in=
 Texas.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Just guessing, but northern homes hav=
e basements, which will either require a longer flue or a power vent, which c=
an be quite expensive.&nbsp;<br><br>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br=
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We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it fails. We are sw=
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Hi Tim,

It would be about $1,500 for the water heater and $1,500 for the
installation. Without knowing how long the gas run would be, if there are
obstacles, how long the flue would be, sealing the roof, if there are
obstacles, etc., it does not sound ridiculous for a conversion. For a
replacement, <$2K would be expected.

I live in Los Angeles, though, and things almost certainly are more
expensive here...

best,

doug

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> We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it fails. We are
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> the venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.
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for the water heater and $1,500 for the installation. Without knowing how l=
ong the gas run would be, if there are obstacles, how long the flue=C2=A0wo=
uld be, sealing the roof, if there are obstacles, etc., it does not sound r=
idiculous=C2=A0for a conversion. For a replacement, &lt;$2K would be expect=
ed.<div><br></div><div>I live in Los Angeles, though, and things almost cer=
tainly are more expensive=C2=A0here...</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div>=
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iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 12:03 PM Tim . &=
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witching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75 gallon and labor (including t=
he venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.=C2=A0</div>
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How did you come up with that size?  From what I have read, gas 
heaters are typically smaller than electric because they recover 
quicker.  For example, 
https://www.totalhomesupply.com/water-heater-sizes says if your 
family size is 5 or more, you'll need an 80-gallon tank (electric) or 
a 50-gallon tank (natural gas or liquid propane).    As you said, I 
don't know how much the price would change with a smaller 
heater.  Also, I assume you have considered the tankless option.

-Steve T.

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How did you come up with that size?&nbsp; From what I have read, gas
heaters are typically smaller than electric because they recover
quicker.&nbsp; For example,
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https://www.totalhomesupply.com/water-heater-sizes</a> says if your
family size is <b>5 or more</b>, you=92ll need an <b>80-gallon tank
(electric)</b> or a <b>50-gallon tank (natural gas or liquid
propane)</b>.&nbsp; &nbsp; As you said, I don't know how much the price
would change with a smaller heater.&nbsp; Also, I assume you have
considered the tankless option.&nbsp; <br><br>
-Steve T.<br><br>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 22:01:54 -0400

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I would strongly urge you to consider installing an on demand heater. We did=
 so several years ago to replace a 50 gallon tank type, and couldn't be more=
 pleased. Never run out of hot water, gas bill in the summer (we also heat w=
ith gas, so in the winter that dominates our bill) is noticeably lower. With=
 rebates, the unit ended up costing me about 600 bucks ($1200 or so purchase=
 price), plus cost of some copper pipe, some iron pipe and about 4 hours of m=
y time.=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I would strongly urge you to consider insta=
lling an on demand heater. We did so several years ago to replace a 50 gallo=
n tank type, and couldn't be more pleased. Never run out of hot water, gas b=
ill in the summer (we also heat with gas, so in the winter that dominates ou=
r bill) is noticeably lower. With rebates, the unit ended up costing me abou=
t 600 bucks ($1200 or so purchase price), plus cost of some copper pipe, som=
e iron pipe and about 4 hours of my time.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom C=
oradeschi<div>[email-masked]</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Aug 2, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook=
.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 18:00:19 +0000

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Thanks for the replies guys.

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
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To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] water heating installation

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Thanks&nbsp;for the replies guys.&nbsp;</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outl=
ook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 2, 2021 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] water heating installation</font>
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House has gas with a &quot;T&quot; in the line for the water heater. The ga=
s line will be 10-12'.&nbsp;</div>
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It is a good sized house with two full bathrooms. I want to make sure that =
the water heater is big enough for a family when we finally sell.&nbsp;</di=
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Would a slightly smaller sized tank make that much different in the price t=
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> John Innis &lt;jdin=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 2, 2021 2:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] water heating installation</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That seem within reason, but need more data.&nbsp; Do you =
already have other gas appliances?&nbsp; If so, how far will new gas lines =
need to be run?&nbsp; That is a HUGE water heater, are you sure you need 75=
 gallons?&nbsp; We went from a 60 Gallon electric to a
 50 gallon gas and were quite happy, the gas heater recovered much faster t=
han the electric one.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 2:03 PM Ti=
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We need to replace an aging electric water heater before it fails. We are s=
witching to gas. Does close to $3000 for a 75 gallon and labor (including t=
he venting) sound right to you all? We live in southern WI.&nbsp;</div>
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thanks</div>
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