Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 08:58:12 -0500

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jeff=E2=80=A6.     regular led acid battery ??     Everstart Maxx27 80=
0 CCA  regular=20
Walmart battery

When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?  Lights, etc=
=2E?  when=20
it first occurred ,, when I tried to restart, .. starter just clicked =
and I=20
remember the a/c fan still blowing

Donald...  How large is the cable from the alternator to the battery? =
  feed=20
from battery to alternator is #4 wire

Dave... I was thinking a dirty battery clamp.    battery clamps are ne=
w this=20
year and clean, no corrosion on connections

John...   How is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame o=
r to the=20
motor?    voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame  voltmeter used =
to check=20
under hood is grounded to frame not engine. =20
I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a ground ter=
minal of it's=20
own...=20
it's #10 wire grounded to the frame and of course the alternator is gr=
ounded through it's=20
mount.

Pat...  what is the relationship between the frame terminal & the rest=
 of the=20
electrical system?  Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a=20
4' piece of  #4 wire from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from th=
e battery is connected to the solenoid.

Jimmie..    What's=20
the voltage at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine=
 'off'   =20
hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6  I'll do that

 How big is the alternator?    100 amp single wire from CVF racing

ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck and some I haven't thoug=
ht of... =20
 going back through my diagnostics and check connections too.  I bough=
t a 500=20
amp load tester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery.=
  Battery=20
is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with the l=
ow truck,=20
I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery woul=
d be a=20
low maintenance item ...duh.   so checking at a shop somewhere is a ve=
ry large=20
pain.

points I'm considering.... larger ground wires from frame to engine...=
=2E alternator to frame and check resistance from solenoid lug to the =
terminal on the frame...   the saga continues

thanks for all the replies and points to check...   you guys are the b=
est

john

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<DIV>jeff=E2=80=A6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; regular led acid battery ?=
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Everstart Maxx27 800 C=
CA&nbsp; regular Walmart battery</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?&nbsp; L=
ights, etc.?&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#ff0000>when it first occurred ,, whe=
n I tried to restart,&nbsp;.. starter just clicked and I remember the =
a/c fan still blowing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Donald...&nbsp; How large is the cable from=
 the alternator to the battery?&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff00=
00>feed from battery to alternator is #4 wire<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>Dave... I was thinkin=
g a dirty battery clamp.</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; battery clamps are n=
ew this year and clean, no corrosion on connections</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>John...&nbsp;&nbsp; H=
ow is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the mo=
tor?</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash fr=
ame&nbsp; voltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not =
engine.&nbsp; I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator ha=
s a ground terminal of it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame=
&nbsp;and of course the alternator is grounded through it's mount.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Pat...&nbsp; what is the relationship betwe=
en the frame terminal &amp; the rest of the electrical system?&nbsp; <=
/FONT>Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of &nbsp;#4 wire=
 from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connect=
ed to the solenoid.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Jimmie..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What's the volta=
ge at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</F=
ONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6=
&nbsp; I'll do that</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;<FONT color=3D#000000>How big is the alternator?</FONT>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>ya'll have given me lots to check and reche=
ck and some I haven't thought of...&nbsp;&nbsp; going back through my =
diagnostics and check connections too.&nbsp; I bought a 500 amp load t=
ester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery.&nbsp; Bat=
tery is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with =
the low truck, I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thoug=
ht battery would be a low maintenance item ...duh.&nbsp;&nbsp; so chec=
king at a shop somewhere is a very large pain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>points I'm considering.... larger ground wi=
res from frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance =
from solenoid lug to the terminal on the frame...&nbsp;&nbsp; the saga=
 continues</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>thanks for all the replies and points to ch=
eck...&nbsp;&nbsp; you guys are the best</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>john</FONT></DIV>
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From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:55:51 -0500

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sorry for slow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!=
!!

Monday a.m. report

fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle char=
ger since=20
then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different mete=
rs

hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.=
4
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4

battery has 800 CCA capacity
started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 =
amps and=20
voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)
stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up t=
o 12.7

next step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal poin=
t

ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm
meter on alternator o/p- voltage is 14.6
meter on battery voltage is 13.5

hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....that don't sound right
need to measure resistance of cable I guess...

as an aside... checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of t=
he=20
alternator... 0.0001 volts

I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it...  batt=
ery is=20
good based on her years of
battery experience

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From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

Jimmie..    What's=20

john

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order-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">battery has 800 CCA ca=
pacity<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">started test... over 15 sec=
ond test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 =
(still in the green scale)<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">stopped=
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John,
Check charging voltage @ alternator post, alternator terminal, terminal on o=
ther end of 1/0 cable, post that terminal connects to. If you can get to the=
 conductor in the 1/0 cable, get that too. That should be enough to find the=
 problem.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Aug 9, 2021, at 1:02 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
sorry for slow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!
=20
Monday a.m. report

fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger si=
nce then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different meters=

hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4

battery has 800 CCA capacity
started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps a=
nd voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)
stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.7=

next step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal point

as an aside... checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of the alt=
ernator... 0.0001 volts

I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it...  battery is=
 good based on her years of
battery experience
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck
jeff=E2=80=A6.     regular led acid battery ??     Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA =
 regular Walmart battery
=20
When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?  Lights, etc.?  wh=
en it first occurred ,, when I tried to restart, .. starter just clicked and=
 I remember the a/c fan still blowing
=20
=20
Donald...  How large is the cable from the alternator to the battery?   feed=
 from battery to alternator is #4 wire
=20
Dave... I was thinking a dirty battery clamp.    battery clamps are new this=
 year and clean, no corrosion on connections
=20
John...   How is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to t=
he motor?    voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame  voltmeter used to c=
heck under hood is grounded to frame not engine.  I'll go back and check gro=
und connections. Alternator has a ground terminal of it's own... it's #10 wi=
re grounded to the frame and of course the alternator is grounded through it=
's mount.
=20
Pat...  what is the relationship between the frame terminal & the rest of th=
e electrical system?  Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of  #4=
 wire from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connecte=
d to the solenoid.
=20
Jimmie..    What's the voltage at the terminal with those accessories 'on' b=
ut the engine 'off'    hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6  I'll=
 do that
 How big is the alternator?    100 amp single wire from CVF racing
=20
ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck and some I haven't thought of.=
..   going back through my diagnostics and check connections too.  I bought a=
 500 amp load tester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery. =
 Battery is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with th=
e low truck, I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought batte=
ry would be a low maintenance item ...duh.   so checking at a shop somewhere=
 is a very large pain.
=20
points I'm considering.... larger ground wires from frame to engine.... alte=
rnator to frame and check resistance from solenoid lug to the terminal on th=
e frame...   the saga continues
=20
thanks for all the replies and points to check...   you guys are the best
=20
john
=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">John,<div>Check charging voltage @ alternat=
or post, alternator terminal, terminal on other end of 1/0 cable, post that t=
erminal connects to. If you can get to the conductor in the 1/0 cable, get t=
hat too. That should be enough to find the problem.&nbsp;</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbs=
p;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Aug 9, 2021, at 1:02 PM, john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
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n-color: initial">sorry for slow response... helping daughter and sil move..=
.priorities!!!</div>
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<div class=3D"nolinks" style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FON=
T-FAMILY: Verdana, geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida grande&quot;, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none=
; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(34,34,34); PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; FONT-STYLE: n=
ormal; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; ORPHANS: 2; WIDOWS: 2; MARGIN: 0=
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 text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial">Monday a.m.=
 report<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-=
box">fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charg=
er since then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different m=
eters<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-bo=
x"><br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester, v=
oltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">volta=
ge at frame rail terminal also 13.4<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br s=
tyle=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">battery has 800 CCA capacity<br style=3D"BOX=
-SIZING: border-box">started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly d=
ropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)<br style=
=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later=
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ass=3D"post_inline_image" style=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BOX-SIZING: borde=
r-box; MAX-WIDTH: 100%; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; HEIGHT: auto; VERTICAL-ALIG=
N: middle; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; DISPLAY: inl=
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r-box">next step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal poi=
nt<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">=
ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box=
">meter on alternator o/p- voltage is 14.6<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-bo=
x">meter on battery voltage is 13.5<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br s=
tyle=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....t=
hat don't sound right<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">need to measure re=
sistance of cable I guess...<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><br style=3D=
"BOX-SIZING: border-box">as an aside... checked voltaged between frame groun=
d and the case of the alternator... 0.0001 volts<br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: bor=
der-box"><br style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">I also took battery back to Wa=
l mart and Quintella checked it...&nbsp; battery is good based on her years o=
f</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> john niolon &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</div>
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<div>jeff=E2=80=A6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; regular led acid battery ??&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=3D"#ff0000">Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA&nbsp; r=
egular Walmart battery</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?&nbsp; Lights,=
 etc.?&nbsp; <font color=3D"#ff0000">when it first occurred ,, when I tried t=
o restart,&nbsp;.. starter just clicked and I remember the a/c fan still blo=
wing</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">&nbsp;</font></div><font color=3D"#ff0000">
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Donald...&nbsp; How large is the cable from the=
 alternator to the battery?&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font color=3D"#ff0000">feed f=
rom battery to alternator is #4 wire<br></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">Dave... I was thinking a=
 dirty battery clamp.</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; battery clamps are new this y=
ear and clean, no corrosion on connections</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">John...&nbsp;&nbsp; How=
 is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the motor?</fo=
nt>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame&nbsp; volt=
meter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not engine.&nbsp; I'll g=
o back and check ground connections. Alternator has a ground terminal of it'=
s own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame&nbsp;and of course the alternat=
or is grounded through it's mount.</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Pat...&nbsp; what is the relationship between t=
he frame terminal &amp; the rest of the electrical system?&nbsp; </font>Term=
inal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of &nbsp;#4 wire from the i/p so=
lenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connected to the solenoid.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Jimmie..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What's the voltage a=
t the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</font>&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6&nbsp; I'll do t=
hat</div>
<div>&nbsp;<font color=3D"#000000">How big is the alternator?</font>&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck a=
nd some I haven't thought of...&nbsp;&nbsp; going back through my diagnostic=
s and check connections too.&nbsp; I bought a 500 amp load tester yesterday a=
nd will put sufficient load on the battery.&nbsp; Battery is under the cab a=
nd I have to lower it to check it out and with the low truck, I have to rais=
e truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery would be a low maintenan=
ce item ...duh.&nbsp;&nbsp; so checking at a shop somewhere is a very large p=
ain.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">points I'm considering.... larger ground wires f=
rom frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance from soleno=
id lug to the terminal on the frame...&nbsp;&nbsp; the saga continues</font>=
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">thanks for all the replies and points to check.=
..&nbsp;&nbsp; you guys are the best</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">john</font></div>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 19:02:32 +0000 (UTC)

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 Check between frame ground and battery negative.=C2=A0 A rusty connection =
there can cause all manner of similar problems.
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-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

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 Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;}sorry for sl=
ow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!=C2=A0Monday a.=
m. report

fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger s=
ince then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different mete=
rs

battery has 800 CCA capacity
started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps =
and voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)
stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.=
7

as an aside... checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of the al=
ternator... 0.0001 volts

I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it...=C2=A0 batt=
ery is good based on her years ofbattery experience
=C2=A0=C2=A0
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jeff=E2=80=A6.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 regular led acid battery ??=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA=C2=A0 regular Walmart battery=C2=
=A0When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?=C2=A0 Lights, =
etc.?=C2=A0 when it first occurred ,, when I tried to restart,=C2=A0.. star=
ter just clicked and I remember the a/c fan still blowing=C2=A0=C2=A0Donald=
...=C2=A0 How large is the cable from the alternator to the battery?=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 feed from battery to alternator is #4 wire
=C2=A0Dave... I was thinking a dirty battery clamp.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 batte=
ry clamps are new this year and clean, no corrosion on connections=C2=A0Joh=
n...=C2=A0=C2=A0 How is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame=
 or to the motor?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash f=
rame=C2=A0 voltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not engi=
ne.=C2=A0 I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a groun=
d terminal of it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame=C2=A0and of c=
ourse the alternator is grounded through it's mount.=C2=A0Pat...=C2=A0 what=
 is the relationship between the frame terminal & the rest of the electrica=
l system?=C2=A0 Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of =C2=A0#4=
 wire from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connect=
ed to the solenoid.=C2=A0Jimmie..=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 What's the voltage at t=
he terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 I'll do that=C2=
=A0How big is the alternator?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 amp single wire from CV=
F racing=C2=A0ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck and some I have=
n't thought of...=C2=A0=C2=A0 going back through my diagnostics and check c=
onnections too.=C2=A0 I bought a 500 amp load tester yesterday and will put=
 sufficient load on the battery.=C2=A0 Battery is under the cab and I have =
to lower it to check it out and with the low truck, I have to raise truck o=
n jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery would be a low maintenance item =
...duh.=C2=A0=C2=A0 so checking at a shop somewhere is a very large pain.=
=C2=A0points I'm considering.... larger ground wires from frame to engine..=
.. alternator to frame and check resistance from solenoid lug to the termin=
al on the frame...=C2=A0=C2=A0 the saga continues=C2=A0thanks for all the r=
eplies and points to check...=C2=A0=C2=A0 you guys are the best=C2=A0john=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Check between frame ground and battery negative.&nbs=
p; A rusty connection there can cause all manner of similar problems.</font=
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck<br>
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w response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!</div>

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dana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-=
SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;FONT-WEIGHT:400;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34);PADDING=
-BOTTOM:0px;FONT-STYLE:normal;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;ORPHANS:2;WI=
DOWS:2;MARGIN:0px;LETTER-SPACING:normal;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;">Monday a.m. report<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br sty=
le=3D"" clear=3D"none">fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on sat=
urday trickle charger since then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked =
with two different meters<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=
=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester,=
 voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">voltage a=
t frame rail terminal also 13.4<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D""=
 clear=3D"none">battery has 800 CCA capacity<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">s=
tarted test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps a=
nd voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none=
">stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 1=
2.7<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D=
"" clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv3990092498post_inline_image" style=3D"BO=
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nline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford-trucks.=
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<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv3990092498post_inline_image"=
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T:auto;VERTICAL-ALIGN:middle;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:no=
ne;DISPLAY:inline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.=
ford-trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/amps1_d85e8a6155a607aae42c4fe2bbfde357784=
78032.jpg"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">next=
 step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal point<br styl=
e=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">ok... started truck... =
engine at 1200 rpm<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">meter on alternator o/p- vo=
ltage is 14.6<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">meter on battery voltage is 13.5=
<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">hmmm...1.1 volt=
 drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....that don't sound right<br style=3D"" clear=3D"n=
one">need to measure resistance of cable I guess...<br style=3D"" clear=3D"=
none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">as an aside... checked voltaged between=
 frame ground and the case of the alternator... 0.0001 volts<br style=3D"" =
clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" clear=3D"none">I also took battery back to Wa=
l mart and Quintella checked it...&nbsp; battery is good based on her years=
 of</div>

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rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;">battery experience<br style=3D"" clear=3D"none"></div>

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=3D"noreferrer noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>

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<div>jeff=E2=80=A6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; regular led acid battery ??&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=3D"#ff0000">Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA&nbsp;=
 regular Walmart battery</font></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?&nbsp; Lights=
, etc.?&nbsp; <font color=3D"#ff0000">when it first occurred ,, when I trie=
d to restart,&nbsp;.. starter just clicked and I remember the a/c fan still=
 blowing</font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">&nbsp;</font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">Donald...&nbsp; How large is the cable from th=
e alternator to the battery?&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><font color=3D"#ff0000">fee=
d from battery to alternator is #4 wire<br clear=3D"none"></font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">Dave... I was thinking=
 a dirty battery clamp.</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; battery clamps are new thi=
s year and clean, no corrosion on connections</font></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">John...&nbsp;&nbsp; Ho=
w is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the motor?</=
font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame&nbsp; v=
oltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not engine.&nbsp; I'=
ll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a ground terminal o=
f it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame&nbsp;and of course the al=
ternator is grounded through it's mount.</font></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">Pat...&nbsp; what is the relationship between =
the frame terminal &amp; the rest of the electrical system?&nbsp; </font>Te=
rminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of &nbsp;#4 wire from the i/p=
 solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connected to the solenoid=
.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">Jimmie..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What's the voltage =
at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</font>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6&nbsp; I'll d=
o that</div>

<div>&nbsp;<font color=3D"#000000">How big is the alternator?</font>&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck =
and some I haven't thought of...&nbsp;&nbsp; going back through my diagnost=
ics and check connections too.&nbsp; I bought a 500 amp load tester yesterd=
ay and will put sufficient load on the battery.&nbsp; Battery is under the =
cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with the low truck, I have t=
o raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery would be a low ma=
intenance item ...duh.&nbsp;&nbsp; so checking at a shop somewhere is a ver=
y large pain.</font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">points I'm considering.... larger ground wires=
 from frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance from sol=
enoid lug to the terminal on the frame...&nbsp;&nbsp; the saga continues</f=
ont></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000">thanks for all the replies and points to check=
...&nbsp;&nbsp; you guys are the best</font></div>

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checked all ground connections and resistance thru cables

neg post on battery to ground bolt in frame  0.37 ohms
all 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms

----- Original Message -----
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To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Sent: 8/9/2021 2:02:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

Check between frame ground and battery negative.  A rusty connection t=
here can=20
cause all manner of similar problems.

Dave=20

-----Original Message-----
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To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

Monday a.m. report

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

Jimmie..    What's=20

thanks for all the replies and points to check..   you guys are the be=
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john

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<DIV>neg post on battery to ground bolt in frame&nbsp; 0.37 ohms</DIV>=

<DIV>all 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Check between frame ground and battery negative.&n=
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ack"><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: john niolon &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>To: shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;<BR>Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] elect=
rical problem with truck<BR><BR>
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T: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; text-dec=
oration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial">sorry for slow=
 response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!</DIV>
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Y: Verdana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE:=
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color: initial">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv3990092498nolinks style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Verdana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE:=
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LOR: rgb(34,34,34); PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; FONT-STYLE: normal; PADDING-T=
OP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; ORPHANS: 2; WIDOWS: 2; MARGIN: 0px; LETTER=
-SPACING: normal; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,25=
5); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-=
color: initial">Monday a.m. report<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>fr=
esh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charge=
r since then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two differ=
ent meters<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>hooked up=
 H.F. 500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<BR clea=
r=3Dnone>voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4<BR clear=3Dnone><BR =
clear=3Dnone>battery has 800 CCA capacity<BR clear=3Dnone>started test=
=2E.. over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and v=
oltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)<BR clear=3Dnone>stopped te=
st at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.7<BR =
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498post_inline_image style=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; MAX-WIDTH: 100%;=
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alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford-trucks.com-vbull=
etin/360x270/voltsa_1305c5989a3f57a2ffce9e2b49c805e0eed9be69.jpg"><BR =
clear=3Dnone><IMG class=3Dyiv3990092498post_inline_image style=3D"BORD=
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STYLE: none; DISPLAY: inline-block" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg3.ibsr=
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ae42c4fe2bbfde35778478032.jpg"><BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>next =
step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal point<BR =
clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone>ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rp=
m<BR clear=3Dnone>meter on alternator o/p- voltage is 14.6<BR clear=3D=
none>meter on battery voltage is 13.5<BR clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone=
>hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....that don't sound right<BR =
clear=3Dnone>need to measure resistance of cable I guess...<BR clear=3D=
none><BR clear=3Dnone>as an aside... checked voltaged between frame gr=
ound and the case of the alternator... 0.0001 volts<BR clear=3Dnone><B=
R clear=3Dnone>I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella chec=
ked it...&nbsp; battery is good based on her years of</DIV>
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<DIV>jeff=E2=80=A6.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; regular led acid battery ?=
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Everstart Maxx27 800 C=
CA&nbsp; regular Walmart battery</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?&nbsp; L=
ights, etc.?&nbsp; <FONT color=3D#ff0000>when it first occurred ,, whe=
n I tried to restart,&nbsp;.. starter just clicked and I remember the =
a/c fan still blowing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Donald...&nbsp; How large is the cable from=
 the alternator to the battery?&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff00=
00>feed from battery to alternator is #4 wire<BR clear=3Dnone></FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>Dave... I was thinkin=
g a dirty battery clamp.</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; battery clamps are n=
ew this year and clean, no corrosion on connections</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>John...&nbsp;&nbsp; H=
ow is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the mo=
tor?</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash fr=
ame&nbsp; voltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not =
engine.&nbsp; I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator ha=
s a ground terminal of it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame=
&nbsp;and of course the alternator is grounded through it's mount.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Pat...&nbsp; what is the relationship betwe=
en the frame terminal &amp; the rest of the electrical system?&nbsp; <=
/FONT>Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of &nbsp;#4 wire=
 from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connect=
ed to the solenoid.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Jimmie..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What's the volta=
ge at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</F=
ONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6=
&nbsp; I'll do that</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;<FONT color=3D#000000>How big is the alternator?</FONT>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>ya'll have given me lots to check and reche=
ck and some I haven't thought of...&nbsp;&nbsp; going back through my =
diagnostics and check connections too.&nbsp; I bought a 500 amp load t=
ester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery.&nbsp; Bat=
tery is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with =
the low truck, I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thoug=
ht battery would be a low maintenance item ...duh.&nbsp;&nbsp; so chec=
king at a shop somewhere is a very large pain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>points I'm considering.... larger ground wi=
res from frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance =
from solenoid lug to the terminal on the frame...&nbsp;&nbsp; the saga=
 continues</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>thanks for all the replies and points to ch=
eck..&nbsp;&nbsp; you guys are the best</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>john</FONT></DIV>
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Pat, while the battery was out I checked resistance on all battery, st=
arter and=20
ground cables... all read from .003 to .004 ohm resistance end to end

 also rechecked the charging voltage again with engine at 1200 rpm  14=
=2E6=20
volts... as I increased the rpm the voltage flickered down to 14.3 - 1=
4.4 to =20
then
back up to 14.6 as rpm decreased back to 1200

did this both with VOM leads on battery terminals AND alternator termi=
nals

j

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
To: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 8/9/2021 1:30:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

John,
Check charging voltage @ alternator post, alternator terminal, termina=
l on=20
other end of 1/0 cable, post that terminal connects to. If you can get=
 to the=20
conductor in the 1/0 cable, get that too. That should be enough to fin=
d the=20
problem.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

=EF=BB=BF=20

Monday a.m. report

----- Original Message -----
From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

Jimmie..    What's=20

john

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<BODY spellcheck=3Dtrue class=3DOECFntDef>Pat, while the battery was o=
ut I checked resistance on all battery, starter and ground cables... a=
ll read from .003 to .004 ohm resistance end to end
<DIV>&nbsp;also rechecked the charging voltage again with engine at 12=
00 rpm&nbsp; 14.6 volts... as I increased the rpm the voltage flickere=
d down to 14.3 - 14.4 to&nbsp; then</DIV>
<DIV>back up to 14.6 as rpm decreased back to 1200</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>did this both with VOM leads on battery terminals AND alternator =
terminals</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>j</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> Pat Horne &lt;<A>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV>=

<DIV><B>To:</B> john niolon &lt;<A>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> shop-talk &lt;<A>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV=
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 8/9/2021 1:30:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</DI=
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John,
<DIV>Check charging voltage @ alternator post, alternator terminal, te=
rminal on other end of 1/0 cable, post that terminal connects to. If y=
ou can get to the conductor in the 1/0 cable, get that too. That shoul=
d be enough to find the problem.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Peace,</DIV>
<DIV>Pat</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Pat Horne&nbsp;
<DIV>We support Habitat for Humanity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>On Aug 9, 2021, at 1:02 PM, john niolon &lt;jniolon=
@att.net&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dpost_message_20009636 class=3Dnolinks style=3D'BOX-SIZING: b=
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ecoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial'>sorry for sl=
ow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!</DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dnolinks style=3D'BOX-SIZING: border-box; FONT-SIZE: 13px;=
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ca, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM=
: none; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(34,34,34); PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; F=
ONT-STYLE: normal; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; ORPHANS: 2; WI=
DOWS: 2; MARGIN: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BACK=
GROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; font-variant-ligatur=
es: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;=
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ext-decoration-color: initial'>Monday a.m. report<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZI=
NG: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">fresh charge on b=
attery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger since then ..=
 battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different meters<BR s=
tyle=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><=
BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester=
, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-b=
ox">voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: b=
order-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">battery has 800 CCA ca=
pacity<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">started test... over 15 sec=
ond test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 =
(still in the green scale)<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">stopped=
 test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.7<=
BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-bo=
x"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><PICTURE id=3Dinline1 style=3D=
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""><SOURCE style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box" media=3D"(max-width: 1000p=
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cset=3D""><SOURCE style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box" srcset=3D"https://c=
img3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford-trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/amps1_d85e8a=
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post_inline_image style=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BOX-SIZING: border-=
box; MAX-WIDTH: 100%; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; HEIGHT: auto; VERTICAL-=
ALIGN: middle; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; DI=
SPLAY: inline-block" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.=
ford-trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/amps1_d85e8a6155a607aae42c4fe2bbfde3=
5778478032.jpg" data-unique-identifier=3D"" data-size=3D"360x270" data=
-src=3D"" loading=3D"lazy"></PICTURE><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-b=
ox"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">next step will be check alter=
nator output at battery and terminal point<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: bor=
der-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">ok... started truck... e=
ngine at 1200 rpm<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">meter on alterna=
tor o/p- voltage is 14.6<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">meter on =
battery voltage is 13.5<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D=
"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....th=
at don't sound right<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">need to measu=
re resistance of cable I guess...<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">=
<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">as an aside... checked voltaged b=
etween frame ground and the case of the alternator... 0.0001 volts<BR =
style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">=
I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it...&nbsp;=
 battery is good based on her years of</DIV>
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What does your meter read when you just touch the two leads to each other?
A lot of meters will never show a value less than 0.1 or 0.2 ohms.

But the 0.37 is definitely suspicious.

Doug

> all 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>What does your meter read when you just touch the two=
 leads to each other?</div><div>A lot of meters will never show a value les=
s than 0.1 or 0.2 ohms.</div><div><br></div><div>But the 0.37 is definitely=
 suspicious.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Doug<br></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 3:=
59 PM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
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<div>checked all ground connections and resistance thru cables</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>neg post on battery to ground bolt in frame=C2=A0 0.37 ohms</div>
<div>all 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
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 That's pretty high.=C2=A0 If the current is 10A you will have a 3 volt dro=
p across that cable.
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From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <shop-talk@=
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Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck

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ctions and resistance thru cables=C2=A0neg post on battery to ground bolt i=
n frame=C2=A0 0.37 ohmsall 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms=C2=A0
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em with truckCheck between frame ground and battery negative.=C2=A0 A rusty=
 connection there can cause all manner of similar problems.

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From: john niolon <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That's pretty high.&nbsp; If the current is 10A you =
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From: john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;s=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 2:57 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck<br>
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<div>neg post on battery to ground bolt in frame&nbsp; 0.37 ohms</div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">Check between frame ground and battery negative.&nbsp=
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nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: john niolo=
n &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: shop-talk &lt;shop-talk@aut=
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ion-color:initial;">Monday a.m. report<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger =
since then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different met=
ers<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">hooked up H.F. =
500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<br clear=3D"none">=
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">battery has 800 CCA capacity<br clear=3D"none">started test... over 15 s=
econd test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 (st=
ill in the green scale)<br clear=3D"none">stopped test at 15 seconds and tw=
o minutes later battery was back up to 12.7<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv1494141348post_inline_image" styl=
e=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;MAX-WIDTH:100%;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;HEIGHT:aut=
o;VERTICAL-ALIGN:middle;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;DI=
SPLAY:inline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford-=
trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/voltsa_1305c5989a3f57a2ffce9e2b49c805e0eed9be6=
9.jpg"><br clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv1494141348post_inline_image" sty=
le=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;MAX-WIDTH:100%;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;HEIGHT:au=
to;VERTICAL-ALIGN:middle;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;D=
ISPLAY:inline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford=
-trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/amps1_d85e8a6155a607aae42c4fe2bbfde3577847803=
2.jpg"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">next step will be check altern=
ator output at battery and terminal point<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm<br clear=3D"none">meter on al=
ternator o/p- voltage is 14.6<br clear=3D"none">meter on battery voltage is=
 13.5<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/=
0 cable....that don't sound right<br clear=3D"none">need to measure resista=
nce of cable I guess...<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">as an aside...=
 checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of the alternator... 0.=
0001 volts<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I also took battery back to=
 Wal mart and Quintella checked it...&nbsp; battery is good based on her ye=
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