Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LP Generator supply

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 13:38:27 -0500

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Looks like it should work without the regulator. What size pipe did the do t=
he new pipe in? What size line did you run between the pipe & generator? Jus=
t because the the pressures match, flow rate also has to be sufficient.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths=
 of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power,=
 although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy.  Shortly a=
fter Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tool=
s-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEi=
wAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE) w=
hich, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to b=
e safe.  It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard reg=
ulator.  A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:

Low Pressure Regulator
Inlet Pressure:               25-250PSIG
Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)
Flow Capacity(MAX):    119000(BTU/hr)

We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.   I ha=
d an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case=
 I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator direc=
tly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks.  T=
he house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the w=
ater heater:

Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.
Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.
Recovery Rating:               206/Gallons/HR
Max Working Pressure:     150psi
Max Output:                       180,000 BTU/HR
Max Input:                          11,000 BTU/HR
Manifold Pressure:             3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)

Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly to=
 the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I tried it once wi=
th the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any a=
ppreciable power.  I always meant to research this before I needed it, but l=
ike many of us, never got around to it until now.

Thanks,
Jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Looks like it should work without the regul=
ator. What size pipe did the do the new pipe in? What size line did you run b=
etween the pipe &amp; generator? Just because the the pressures match, flow r=
ate also has to be sufficient.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat=
<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity=
</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM,=
 Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8">I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths o=
f Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without pow=
er, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;S=
hortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a href=3D"https://www.jbtoo=
ls.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gcl=
id=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQx=
Ko54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen40=
00lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu=
7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) w=
hich, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to b=
e safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standar=
d regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs for the regul=
ator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailO=
utline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li class=3D"">Inlet Press=
ure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li cla=
ss=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D=
 (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr=
)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use=
 Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had=
 an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I=
 ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator directl=
y to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbs=
p;The house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for t=
he water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><=
ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp=
;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pre=
ssure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</=
li><li class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">=
Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.=
C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"">Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly=
 to the house supply without the regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it=
 once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put o=
ut any appreciable power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I nee=
ded it, but like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Ji=
m</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 13:39:05 -0500

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Oh, & good luck with the storm.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

Low Pressure Regulator

Thanks,
Jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Oh, &amp; good luck with the storm.&nbsp;<d=
iv><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbs=
p;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-=
Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I am on Eastern Long Island, di=
rectly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being t=
old to plan for 7-10 days without power, although FWIW we were only powerles=
s for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Ge=
nerator (<a href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-wat=
t-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4eu=
JneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https:=
//www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3D=
off&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaE=
HYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of course, I have never needed, a=
lthough I do run it periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off=
 of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling sh=
ows the following specs for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></d=
iv><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Reg=
ulator</li><li class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capa=
city(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 50=
0 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line stubbed out when t=
he house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be=
 able to connect the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having=
 to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The house supply is regulated and, a=
s an example, here are the specs for the water heater:</div><div class=3D"">=
<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"=
">Max Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D""=
>Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">=
Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallon=
s/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li c=
lass=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I=
 be able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the regu=
lator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator attached and=
 it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable power. &nbsp;I alw=
ays meant to research this before I needed it, but like many of us, never go=
t around to it until now.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cla=
ss=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span>____________________=
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:59:02 -0400

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Thanks, Pat.  We=E2=80=99re only about 250 yards from a bay, but about =
12 feed above sea level, so the only real concern is the wind and trees. =
 At the peak, the water from Sandy flooded the expensive real estate =
right on the water and one house in, but it would have taken an =
apocalypse for the water to get up the street to us.

As for the gas line, both the original and my replacement are 5/16 LP =
hose.  The only difference between the two, other than the regulator, is =
that the original line is 5 ft long and the unregulated line is 10 ft.

Jim

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected =
paths of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days =
without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following =
Sandy.  Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator =
(https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE =
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>) which, of course, I have never =
needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe.  It is designed to =
run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator.  A little =
Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:
>=20
>=20
> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.  =
 I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, =
just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the =
generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the =
portable tanks.  The house supply is regulated and, as an example, here =
are the specs for the water heater:
>=20
>=20
> Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator =
directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I =
tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=
=99t put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to research this =
before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to it until =
now.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Pat. &nbsp;We=E2=80=99re only about 250 yards from a =
bay, but about 12 feed above sea level, so the only real concern is the =
wind and trees. &nbsp;At the peak, the water from Sandy flooded the =
expensive real estate right on the water and one house in, but it would =
have taken an apocalypse for the water to get up the street to us.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As for the gas line, =
both the original and my replacement are 5/16 LP hose. &nbsp;The only =
difference between the two, other than the regulator, is that the =
original line is 5 ft long and the unregulated line is 10 ft.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Pat Horne &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Oh, &amp; good luck with the =
storm.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Peace,</div><div class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div class=3D"">We =
support Habitat for Humanity</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected =
paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days =
without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following =
Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of =
course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be =
safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a =
standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs =
for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul=
 class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li =
class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow =
Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat =
and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line =
stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it =
and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the =
house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the =
water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet =
Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery =
Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be =
able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator =
attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable =
power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but =
like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D""><a =
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Jim: You should be good to go. Time=E2=80=99s a wastin=E2=80=99!

Tom Coradeschi
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> On Aug 21, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected pat=
hs of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without powe=
r, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy.  Shortly=
 after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-to=
ols-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBP=
EiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE)=
 which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to=
 be safe.  It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard r=
egulator.  A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:
> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.   I h=
ad an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in cas=
e I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator dire=
ctly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks.  T=
he house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the w=
ater heater:
> Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly t=
o the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I tried it once w=
ith the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any a=
ppreciable power.  I always meant to research this before I needed it, but l=
ike many of us, never got around to it until now.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim: You should be good to go. Time=E2=80=99=
s a wastin=E2=80=99!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color=
: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Coradeschi</span><div><span dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">[email-masked]</span></div=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 21, 2021, at 2:=
08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"C=
ontent-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I am on Eastern Long Isl=
and, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are=
 being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, although FWIW we were only p=
owerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased a=
n LP Generator (<a href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4=
000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U=
54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D""=
>https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator=
/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of course, I have never n=
eeded, although I do run it periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to=
 run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Goo=
gling shows the following specs for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressu=
re Regulator</li><li class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flo=
w Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br cl=
ass=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat and hav=
e a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line stubbed out w=
hen the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it and I would like t=
o be able to connect the generator directly to the house supply and avoid ha=
ving to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The house supply is regulated an=
d, as an example, here are the specs for the water heater:</div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D=
"">Max Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"=
">Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D""=
>Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallo=
ns/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li c=
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Thanks.  The generator is currently sitting in a screened-in porch and, =
as long as it is reasonably dry in there during the storm, I wiI run it =
there off of the tanks at first and connect it to the house supply once =
the rain stops.  I think our hatches are sufficiently battened down.  It =
is helpful that this will hit during daylight hours.  And, some really =
tall, unhealthy trees have already been removed from our house and the =
two adjacent properties, which is certainly good. =20

I assume I will know a heck of a lot more in 24 hours or so!

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>> =EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the =
projected paths of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 =
days without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days =
following Sandy.  Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator =
(https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE =
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>) which, of course, I have never =
needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe.  It is designed to =
run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator.  A little =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks. &nbsp;The generator is currently sitting in a =
screened-in porch and, as long as it is reasonably&nbsp;dry&nbsp;in =
there during the storm, I wiI run it there off of the tanks at first and =
connect it to the house supply once the rain stops. &nbsp;I think our =
hatches are sufficiently battened down. &nbsp;It is helpful that this =
will hit during daylight hours. &nbsp;And, some really tall, unhealthy =
trees have already been removed from our house and the two adjacent =
properties, which is certainly good. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I assume I will know a heck of a lot =
more in 24 hours or so!<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:04 PM, =
Thomas Coradeschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Jim: You should be good to go. =
Time=E2=80=99s a wastin=E2=80=99!<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, =
255, 0);" class=3D"">Tom Coradeschi</span><div class=3D""><span =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" =
class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></span></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" =
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D"">I am on Eastern Long =
Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. =
&nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, although =
FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly =
after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of =
course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be =
safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a =
standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs =
for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul=
 class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li =
class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow =
Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat =
and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line =
stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it =
and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the =
house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the =
water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet =
Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery =
Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be =
able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator =
attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable =
power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but =
like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span =
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ts to change over.=20

Sent from my iPhone

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">No. LP gas and household natural gas are di=
fferent. You need to rejet products to change over.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
">On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:=
<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=
I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurri=
cane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, alt=
hough FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly a=
fter Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/b=
uffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjw=
KCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54Tpho=
C__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-400=
0-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54=
VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, o=
f course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe.=
 &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regul=
ator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:<d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"=
><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D""=
>Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W=
.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li>=
</ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propa=
ne for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an ou=
tside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever=
 needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to t=
he house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The h=
ouse supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the wate=
r heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul clas=
s=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=
=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=
=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nb=
sp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li cla=
ss=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Manifold P=
ressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Ma=
x Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I m=
issing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly to the h=
ouse supply without the regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once wit=
h the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any ap=
preciable power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, b=
ut like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div class=3D""><=
br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></di=
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:22:47 -0400

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Phil - he has an LP generator and a 500 gallon LP tank. All good.=20

Tom Coradeschi
[email-masked]

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Phil Ethier <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFNo. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need to r=
ejet products to change over.=20
>> =EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected pa=
ths of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without pow=
er, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy.  Shortl=
y after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-t=
ools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhB=
PEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE=
) which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically t=
o be safe.  It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard r=
egulator.  A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:
>> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.   I=
 had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in c=
ase I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator di=
rectly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks.=
  The house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for t=
he water heater:
>> Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly=
 to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I tried it once=
 with the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out an=
y appreciable power.  I always meant to research this before I needed it, bu=
t like many of us, never got around to it until now.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Phil - he has an LP generator and a 500 gal=
lon LP tank. All good.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Coradeschi</span><div><span dir=3D"lt=
r" style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">[email-masked]</sp=
an></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 21, 202=
1, at 3:21 PM, Phil Ethier &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockq=
uote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-eq=
uiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">No. LP gas and h=
ousehold natural gas are different. You need to rejet products to change ove=
r.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone &lt;1789=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"t=
ext/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of t=
he projected paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7=
-10 days without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days foll=
owing Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a href=3D=
"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator=
/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/b=
uffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjw=
KCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54Tpho=
C__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run i=
t periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and c=
omes with a standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following s=
pecs for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=
<ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li clas=
s=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-2=
50PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &=
nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div=
 class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground t=
ank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodel=
ed, just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the=
 generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the po=
rtable tanks. &nbsp;The house supply is regulated and, as an example, here a=
re the specs for the water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div=
><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas Pres=
sure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet Gas Press=
ure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery Rating: &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D=
"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output:=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</=
li><li class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook th=
e generator directly to the house supply without the regulator? &nbsp;For th=
e record, I tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and d=
idn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable power. &nbsp;I always meant to researc=
h this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to it until=
 now.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div=
><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span>________________________________________=
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:32:46 -0400

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On the other hand, my daughter just sent me the following screenshot.  =
Note the red circled =E2=80=9Cus=E2=80=9D.  The project path line is =
about 1.25 miles away.  =F0=9F=98=A7

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>> =EF=BB=BFNo. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need =
to rejet products to change over.=20
Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:
>>> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground =
tank.   I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was =
remodeled, just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to =
connect the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to =
depend on the portable tanks.  The house supply is regulated and, as an =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">On =
the other hand, my daughter just sent me the following screenshot. =
&nbsp;Note the red circled =E2=80=9Cus=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;The project path =
line is about 1.25 miles away. &nbsp;=F0=9F=98=A7<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><img apple-inline=3D"yes" =
id=3D"E9DE65C8-007E-44E8-A4CF-34C14B8BF223" =
src=3D"cid:BD5107E7-5FD8-4337-8838-372E3C252CBF" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Thomas Coradeschi &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Phil - he has an LP generator =
and a 500 gallon LP tank. All good.&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span style=3D"background-color: =
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">Tom Coradeschi</span><div =
class=3D""><span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, =
255, 0);" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></span></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Phil Ethier &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">No. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need =
to rejet products to change over.&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" =
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D"">I am on Eastern Long =
Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. =
&nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, although =
FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly =
after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of =
course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be =
safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a =
standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs =
for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul=
 class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li =
class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow =
Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat =
and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line =
stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it =
and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the =
house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the =
water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet =
Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery =
Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be =
able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator =
attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable =
power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but =
like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span =
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:34:35 -0400

Yikes. My 90 year old FIL lives in Sea Cliff, so got that worry bead is busy being polished.

—
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> On 21 Aug 2021, at 3:32 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> On the other hand, my daughter just sent me the following screenshot.  Note the red circled “us”.  The project path line is about 1.25 miles away.  😧
> 
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>> Phil - he has an LP generator and a 500 gallon LP tank. All good. 
>> 
>> Tom Coradeschi
>> [email-masked]
>> 
>>> No. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need to rejet products to change over. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy.  Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE) which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe.  It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator.  A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:
>>>> 
>>>> 	• Low Pressure Regulator
>>>> 	• Inlet Pressure:               25-250PSIG
>>>> 	• Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O= (11"W.C.)
>>>> 	• Flow Capacity(MAX):    119000(BTU/hr)
>>>> 
>>>> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.   I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks.  The house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the water heater:
>>>> 
>>>> 	• Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 “W.C.
>>>> 	• Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 “W.C.
>>>> 	• Recovery Rating:               206/Gallons/HR
>>>> 	• Max Working Pressure:     150psi
>>>> 	• Max Output:                       180,000 BTU/HR
>>>> 	• Max Input:                          11,000 BTU/HR
>>>> 	• Manifold Pressure:             3.9 “W.C. (For Max Input)
>>>> 
>>>> Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn’t put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to research this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to it until now.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
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You need a low pressure regulator. Input is 10 to 15ish inches of water.  Ou=
tput is 10 inches water.=20
Steal the one from your furnace, if you need to.=20

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 13:08, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>You need a low pressure regulator. Input is 10 to 15ish inches of water. &n=
bsp;Output is 10 inches water.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Steal the one fro=
m your furnace, if you need to.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 21, 2021, at 13:08, Jim Ston=
e &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" con=
tent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in=
 one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to p=
lan for 7-10 days without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 d=
ays following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (=
<a href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane=
-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmO=
zjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https://www.jbt=
ools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;g=
clid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0s=
QxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of course, I have never needed, although I=
 do run it periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP ta=
nks and comes with a standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the f=
ollowing specs for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</l=
i><li class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capacity(MAX=
): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div=
></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon=
 in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house=
 was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to=
 connect the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to depe=
nd on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The house supply is regulated and, as an exa=
mple, here are the specs for the water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br clas=
s=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max In=
let Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inl=
et Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery=
 Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR</li=
><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi</li><li class=3D"=
">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11=
,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><=
br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be ab=
le to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the regulator?=
 &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator attached and it ba=
rely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable power. &nbsp;I always me=
ant to research this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got arou=
nd to it until now.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:46:51 -0500

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Silly question. Did you talk to the folks that installed the generator?

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

Low Pressure Regulator

Thanks,
Jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Silly question. Did you talk to the folks t=
hat installed the generator?<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><d=
iv><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Sto=
ne &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I a=
m on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurrican=
e Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, althou=
gh FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly aft=
er Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buf=
falo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKC=
AjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC_=
_4QAvD_BwE" class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-=
watt-propane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH=
4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of c=
ourse, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe. &n=
bsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulato=
r. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs for the regulator:<div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li=
 class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Out=
let Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)=
</li><li class=3D"">Flow Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul=
><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane f=
or DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outsid=
e gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever nee=
ded it and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the h=
ouse supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The hous=
e supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the water h=
eater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul class=3D=
"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=
=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9C=
W.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &=
nbsp; 150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D=
"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li class=3D"">Manifold Pressu=
re: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Inp=
ut)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missi=
ng anything, or should I be able to hook the generator directly to the house=
 supply without the regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with th=
e regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any apprec=
iable power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but l=
ike many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><s=
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 16:28:30 -0400

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=46rom David:

> You need a low pressure regulator. Input is 10 to 15ish inches of =
water.  Output is 10 inches water.=20
Steal the one from your furnace, if you need to.

There is a regulator between the tank and the house, so it comes in =
before the line to the outside.  It is hard to read the regulator, as it =
is under the porch, which is why I gave the stats for the water heater.=20=

=46rom Pat:

> Silly question. Did you talk to the folks that installed the =
generator?

Not silly, but it isn=E2=80=99t a permanent whole house generator.  =
I=E2=80=99ve thought about installing one, and certainly will if weather =
patterns change enough that we are dealing with this more often, but the =
price didn=E2=80=99t seem justified given the amount of use that it =
would get.  As I said, I have had this one for about 8 years and never =
had to use it.  My main worry has always been an extended outage in the =
winter, but we don=E2=80=99t need much amperage with propane heat for =
the furnaces. (Separate heat in the shop.  Hey!  Shop content!).  I =
haven=E2=80=99t done the exact math, but believe that 4000 Surge =
Watts/3250 Running Watts will be enough to keep things going here for as =
long as it takes=E2=80=A6as long as I can run off of the in-ground tank.

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Silly question. Did you talk to the folks that installed the =
generator?

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">=46ro=
m David:<div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div=
 dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">You need a low pressure regulator. Input is 10 =
to 15ish inches of water. &nbsp;Output is 10 inches =
water.&nbsp;</div></blockquote><font color=3D"#5856d6" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(88, 86, 214);" class=3D"">Steal the one from =
your furnace, if you need to.</span></font></div><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">There is a regulator between the tank and the house, so it =
comes in before the line to the outside. &nbsp;It is hard to read the =
regulator, as it is under the porch, which is why I gave the stats for =
the water heater.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=46rom Pat:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Silly question. Did you talk to the folks that installed the =
generator?</div></blockquote></div><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Not =
silly, but it isn=E2=80=99t a permanent whole house generator. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve thought about installing one, and certainly will if =
weather patterns change enough that we are dealing with this more often, =
but the price didn=E2=80=99t seem justified given the amount of use that =
it would get. &nbsp;As I said, I have had this one for about 8 years and =
never had to use it. &nbsp;My main worry has always been an extended =
outage in the winter, but we don=E2=80=99t need much amperage with =
propane heat for the furnaces. (Separate heat in the shop. &nbsp;Hey! =
&nbsp;Shop content!). &nbsp;I haven=E2=80=99t done the exact math, but =
believe that&nbsp;4000 Surge Watts/3250 Running Watts will be enough to =
keep things going here for as long as it takes=E2=80=A6as long as I can =
run off of the in-ground tank.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 21, 2021, at 3:46 PM, =
Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Silly question. Did you talk to =
the folks that installed the generator?<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Peace,</div><div class=3D"">Pat<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Pat =
Horne&nbsp;<div class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected =
paths of Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days =
without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following =
Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of =
course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be =
safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a =
standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs =
for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul=
 class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li =
class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow =
Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat =
and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line =
stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it =
and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the =
house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the =
water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet =
Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery =
Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be =
able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator =
attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable =
power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but =
like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span =
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From: nick brearley <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:56:56 +0100

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Surprised nobody's responded to Phil's very valid concerns.

I realise that this may not be helpful to Jim who's having to study the 
weather radar at hourly intervals but I did a net search and came up 
with this among other items:

https://generatorgeek.com/can-a-propane-generator-run-on-natural-gas/

Short answer, no without modification. As a minimum it must be worth a 
phonecall to http://www.sportsmangenerators.com/contact.html. Although 
bearing in mind these are wholesale importers they may not be the 
ultimate authority. And not available until Monday.

Good luck with the storm.

Nick Brearley

On 21/08/2021 20:19, Phil Ethier wrote:
>>  I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths 
>> of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without 
>> power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following 
>> Sandy.  Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator 
>> (https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE 
>> <https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>) 
>> which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it 
>> periodically to be safe.  It is designed to run off of LP tanks and 
>> comes with a standard regulator.  A little Googling shows the 
>> following specs for the regulator:
>>
>>   * Low Pressure Regulator
>>   * Inlet Pressure:               25-250PSIG
>>   * Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O= (11"W.C.)
>>   * Flow Capacity(MAX):    119000(BTU/hr)
>>
>>
>> We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. 
>>   I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled, 
>> just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to connect 
>> the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to depend 
>> on the portable tanks.  The house supply is regulated and, as an 
>>   * Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 “W.C.
>>   * Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 “W.C.
>>   * Recovery Rating:               206/Gallons/HR
>>   * Max Working Pressure:     150psi
>>   * Max Output:                       180,000 BTU/HR
>>   * Max Input:                          11,000 BTU/HR
>>   * Manifold Pressure:             3.9 “W.C. (For Max Input)
>>
>>
>> Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the generator 
>> directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, 
>> I tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and 
>> didn’t put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to research 
>> this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to it 
>> until now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
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    <p>Surprised nobody's responded to Phil's very valid concerns. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I realise that this may not be helpful to Jim who's having to
      study the weather radar at hourly intervals but I did a net search
      and came up with this among other items:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://generatorgeek.com/can-a-propane-generator-run-on-natural-gas/"
        moz-do-not-send="true">https://generatorgeek.com/can-a-propane-generator-run-on-natural-gas/</a></p>
    <p>Short answer, no without modification. As a minimum it must be
      worth a phonecall to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://www.sportsmangenerators.com/contact.html"
        moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sportsmangenerators.com/contact.html</a>.
      Although bearing in mind these are wholesale importers they may
      not be the ultimate authority. And not available until Monday.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Good luck with the storm.</p>
    <p>Nick Brearley</p>
    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/08/2021 20:19, Phil Ethier wrote:<br>
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      No. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need to
      rejet products to change over. <br>
      <br>
      <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone <a
            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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          I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected
          paths of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10
          days without power, although FWIW we were only powerless for 4
          days following Sandy.  Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP
          Generator (<a
href="https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE"
            class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>)
          which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run it
          periodically to be safe.  It is designed to run off of LP
          tanks and comes with a standard regulator.  A little Googling
          shows the following specs for the regulator:
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">
            <ul class="MailOutline">
              <li class="">Low Pressure Regulator</li>
              <li class="">Inlet Pressure:               25-250PSIG</li>
              <li class="">Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O=
                (11"W.C.)</li>
              <li class="">Flow Capacity(MAX):    119000(BTU/hr)</li>
            </ul>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
          </div>
          <div class="">We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500
            gallon in-ground tank.   I had an outside gas line stubbed
            out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed
            it and I would like to be able to connect the generator
            directly to the house supply and avoid having to depend on
            the portable tanks.  The house supply is regulated and, as
            an example, here are the specs for the water heater:</div>
          <div class=""><br class="">
          </div>
          <div class="">
            <ul class="MailOutline">
              <li class="">Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 “W.C.</li>
              <li class="">Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 “W.C.</li>
              <li class="">Recovery Rating:               206/Gallons/HR</li>
              <li class="">Max Working Pressure:     150psi</li>
              <li class="">Max Output:                       180,000
                BTU/HR</li>
              <li class="">Max Input:                          11,000
                BTU/HR</li>
              <li class="">Manifold Pressure:             3.9 “W.C. (For
                Max Input)</li>
            </ul>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">Am I missing anything, or should I be able to
              hook the generator directly to the house supply without
              the regulator?  For the record, I tried it once with the
              regulator attached and it barely ran and didn’t put out
              any appreciable power.  I always meant to research this
              before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around
              to it until now.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">Thanks,</div>
            <div class="">Jim</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
          </div>
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From: Donald H Locker <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 06:24:07 -0400

I'm surprised to see responses assuming natural gas is the house supply.

In the original post, Jim specifically stated that he has LPG/Propane
house heating with a large tank for supply. Someone, somewhere along the
line missed that fact and that piece of conversation went off the rails.

Donald.
--
> I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths of
> Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generator/?wi=off&gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>
>     Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O= (11"W.C.)
>     Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 “W.C.
>     Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 “W.C.
>     Manifold Pressure:             3.9 “W.C. (For Max Input)
>
>
> directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, I
> tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and didn’t
> put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to research this before
> I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to it until now.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim

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All is good, guys.  The latest forecast shows the storm moving east and =
it looks like the eye is going to miss Long Island.  There will =
certainly be lots of rain and wind and I still expect to lose power at =
some point, so this will all be of use very soon.  Right now it is just =
wet and windy, but nothing like we are expecting in a few hours.  More =
later.
Jim

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Donald H Locker <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I'm surprised to see responses assuming natural gas is the house =
supply.
> house heating with a large tank for supply. Someone, somewhere along =
the
> line missed that fact and that piece of conversation went off the =
rails.
>=20
> Donald.
> --
>> On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked] =
>>=20
projected paths of
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE =
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>>
>> directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the record, =
I
>> tried it once with the regulator attached and it barely ran and =
didn=E2=80=99t
>> put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to research this =
before
>> I realise that this may not be helpful to Jim who's having to study =
the
>> Short answer, no without modification. As a minimum it must be worth =
a
>> phonecall to http://www.sportsmangenerators.com/contact.html. =
Although
>>> No. LP gas and household natural gas are different. You need to =
rejet
>>> products to change over.=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Aug 21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the =
projected paths
>>>> of Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days =
without
(https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE =
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>>)
>>>>  * Outlet Pressure:            280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)
tank.
>>>>   I had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was =
remodeled,
>>>> just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to =
connect
>>>> the generator directly to the house supply and avoid having to =
depend
>>>>  * Max Inlet Gas Pressure:    13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.
>>>>  * Min Inlet Gas Pressure:     8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.
>>>>  * Manifold Pressure:             3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> directly to the house supply without the regulator?  For the =
record,
>>>> didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable power.  I always meant to =
research
>>>> this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got around to =
it
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">All =
is good, guys. &nbsp;The latest forecast shows the storm moving east and =
it looks like the eye is going to miss Long Island. &nbsp;There will =
certainly be lots of rain and wind and I still expect to lose power at =
some point, so this will all be of use very soon. &nbsp;Right now it is =
just wet and windy, but nothing like we are expecting in a few hours. =
&nbsp;More later.<div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug =
22, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Donald H Locker &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">I'm surprised to see responses assuming natural gas is the =
house supply.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">In the =
original post, Jim specifically stated that he has LPG/Propane</span><br =
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14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
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14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">house heating with a large tank =
for supply. Someone, somewhere along the</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">line missed that fact and that piece of conversation went off =
the rails.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">--</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
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normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">On =
Aug 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFI am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the =
projected paths of<br class=3D"">Hurricane Henri. &nbsp;We are being =
told to plan for 7-10 days without<br class=3D"">power, although FWIW we =
were only powerless for 4 days following<br class=3D"">Sandy. =
&nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&lt;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&gt;</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">which, =
of course, I have never needed, although I do run it<br =
class=3D"">periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of =
LP tanks and<br class=3D"">comes with a standard regulator. &nbsp;A =
little Googling shows the<br class=3D"">following specs for the =
regulator:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Low Pressure =
Regulator<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Inlet Pressure: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;25-250PSIG<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Outlet Pressure: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;280mmH2O=
=3D (11"W.C.)<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Flow Capacity(MAX): =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon =
in-ground tank.<br class=3D"">I had an outside gas line stubbed out when =
the house was remodeled,<br class=3D"">just in case I ever needed it and =
I would like to be able to connect<br class=3D"">the generator directly =
to the house supply and avoid having to depend<br class=3D"">on the =
portable tanks. &nbsp;The house supply is regulated and, as an<br =
class=3D"">example, here are the specs for the water heater:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max Inlet Gas Pressure: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Min =
Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Recovery Rating: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;206/Gallons/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max Working =
Pressure: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;150psi<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max Output: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;180,000 =
BTU/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Max Input: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;11,000 BTU/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Manifold Pressure: =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.=
9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be able to hook the =
generator<br class=3D"">directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I<br class=3D"">tried it once with the =
regulator attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t<br class=3D"">put =
out any appreciable power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this =
before<br class=3D"">I needed it, but like many of us, never got around =
to it until now.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Jim<br=
 class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">On 2021-08-22 5:56 a.m., nick brearley wrote:</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Surprised nobody's responded to Phil's very valid =
concerns.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I realise that this may not be =
helpful to Jim who's having to study the<br class=3D"">weather radar at =
hourly intervals but I did a net search and came up<br class=3D"">with =
this among other items:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://generatorgeek.com/can-a-propane-generator-run-on-natural-g=
as/" =
class=3D"">https://generatorgeek.com/can-a-propane-generator-run-on-natura=
l-gas/</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Short answer, no without =
modification. As a minimum it must be worth a<br class=3D"">phonecall to =
http://www.sportsmangenerators.com/contact.html. Although<br =
class=3D"">bearing in mind these are wholesale importers they may not be =
the<br class=3D"">ultimate authority. And not available until Monday.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Good luck with the storm.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Nick Brearley<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
21/08/2021 20:19, Phil Ethier wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">No. LP gas and household natural gas are =
different. You need to rejet<br class=3D"">products to change =
over.&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF I am on Eastern Long Island, =
directly in one of the projected paths<br class=3D"">of Hurricane Henri. =
&nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without<br class=3D"">power,=
 although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following<br =
class=3D"">Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP =
Generator<br =
class=3D"">(https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-prop=
ane-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneV=
O0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE<br class=3D"">&lt;<a=
 =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>&gt;)<br =
class=3D"">which, of course, I have never needed, although I do run =
it<br class=3D"">periodically to be safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run =
off of LP tanks and<br class=3D"">comes with a standard regulator. =
&nbsp;A little Googling shows the<br class=3D"">following specs for the =
regulator:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Low Pressure =
Regulator<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25-250PSIG<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Outlet =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D =
(11"W.C.)<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Flow Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; =
&nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We use =
Propane for DHW and heat and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>I =
had an outside gas line stubbed out when the house was remodeled,<br =
class=3D"">just in case I ever needed it and I would like to be able to =
connect<br class=3D"">the generator directly to the house supply and =
avoid having to depend<br class=3D"">on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an<br class=3D"">example, here are the =
specs for the water heater:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Max =
Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* =
Min Inlet Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;* Recovery Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; 206/Gallons/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Max Working Pressure: =
&nbsp; &nbsp; 150psi<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 =
BTU/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 =
BTU/HR<br class=3D"">&nbsp;* Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be able to =
hook the generator<br class=3D"">directly to the house supply without =
the regulator? &nbsp;For the record,<br class=3D"">I tried it once with =
the regulator attached and it barely ran and<br class=3D"">didn=E2=80=99t =
put out any appreciable power. &nbsp;I always meant to research<br =
class=3D"">this before I needed it, but like many of us, never got =
around to it<br class=3D"">until now.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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From: nick brearley <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 13:09:12 +0100

Sorry. Classic case of "Look before you leap". Having a Honda generator 
which I converted to LPG as back up power for a natural gas boiler 
(furnace) I got carried away with the thought of conversion to natural 
gas from lpg. If nothing else it may be worth saving the info if the 
situation arises in the future.

Good wishes still apply.

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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 14:35:05 -0400

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Time for an update! It really looks like we dodged a bullet here.  Henri =
missed eastern Long Island, made landfall in RI and all we got was a =
wet, windy day.  And, not all that wet or windy.  We=E2=80=99ve had =
plenty worse.   So, I haven't needed the generator.  Of course, a branch =
could still fall and take out a critical line, so I=E2=80=99ll leave it =
on the porch and ready to go, just in case.  And, I will spend a little =
time researching better ways to utilize it the next time, as there will =
definitely be a next time.

As always, thanks for the help and advice!

Jim

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I am on Eastern Long Island, directly in one of the projected paths of =
Hurricane Henri.  We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, =
although FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy.  =
Shortly after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator =
(https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE =
<https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-generat=
or/?wi=3Doff&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jmOzjdgwy6-t0=
MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE>) which, of course, I have never =
needed, although I do run it periodically to be safe.  It is designed to =
run off of LP tanks and comes with a standard regulator.  A little =
> Jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Time =
for an update!&nbsp;It really looks like we dodged a bullet =
here.&nbsp;&nbsp;Henri missed eastern Long Island, made landfall in RI =
and all we got was a wet, windy day.&nbsp;&nbsp;And, not all that wet or =
windy.&nbsp;&nbsp;We=E2=80=99ve had plenty worse. &nbsp; So, I haven't =
needed the generator. &nbsp;Of course, a branch could still fall and =
take out a critical line, so I=E2=80=99ll leave it on the porch and =
ready to go, just in case. &nbsp;And, I will spend a little time =
researching better ways to utilize it the next time, as there will =
definitely be a next time.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">As always, thanks for the help and advice!<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug =
21, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I am on Eastern Long =
Island, directly in one of the projected paths of Hurricane Henri. =
&nbsp;We are being told to plan for 7-10 days without power, although =
FWIW we were only powerless for 4 days following Sandy. &nbsp;Shortly =
after Sandy I purchased an LP Generator (<a =
href=3D"https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propane-=
generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO0jm=
Ozjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.jbtools.com/buffalo-tools-gen4000lp-4000-watt-propa=
ne-generator/?wi=3Doff&amp;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll1U54VH4euJneVO=
0jmOzjdgwy6-t0MUdEtaEHYXf_7W0sQxKo54TphoC__4QAvD_BwE</a>) which, of =
course, I have never needed, although I do run it periodically to be =
safe. &nbsp;It is designed to run off of LP tanks and comes with a =
standard regulator. &nbsp;A little Googling shows the following specs =
for the regulator:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><ul=
 class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Low Pressure Regulator</li><li =
class=3D"">Inlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 25-250PSIG</li><li class=3D"">Outlet Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;280mmH2O=3D (11"W.C.)</li><li class=3D"">Flow =
Capacity(MAX): &nbsp; &nbsp;119000(BTU/hr)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">We use Propane for DHW and heat =
and have a 500 gallon in-ground tank. &nbsp; I had an outside gas line =
stubbed out when the house was remodeled, just in case I ever needed it =
and I would like to be able to connect the generator directly to the =
house supply and avoid having to depend on the portable tanks. &nbsp;The =
house supply is regulated and, as an example, here are the specs for the =
water heater:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><ul class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Max Inlet Gas =
Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp;13.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Min Inlet =
Gas Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.0 =E2=80=9CW.C.</li><li class=3D"">Recovery =
Rating: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
206/Gallons/HR</li><li class=3D"">Max Working Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; =
150psi</li><li class=3D"">Max Output: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Max Input: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,000 BTU/HR</li><li =
class=3D"">Manifold Pressure: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3.9 =E2=80=9CW.C. (For Max Input)</li></ul><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Am I missing anything, or should I be =
able to hook the generator directly to the house supply without the =
regulator? &nbsp;For the record, I tried it once with the regulator =
attached and it barely ran and didn=E2=80=99t put out any appreciable =
power. &nbsp;I always meant to research this before I needed it, but =
like many of us, never got around to it until now.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
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From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 15:12:47 -0500

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> Phil - he has an LP generator and a 500 gallon LP tank. All good.

Clearly, I need a Reading-Comprehension refresher-course.

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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 2:22 PM Thoma=
s Coradeschi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Phil - he has an LP generator and a 500 gallon LP tank. All g=
ood.=C2=A0<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255=
,255,255,0)">Tom Coradeschi</span><div><span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>Clearly, I need a Reading-Comprehension refresher-course.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div></div></div>

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