Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lighting question

From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:49:33 -0500

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I'd be tempted to go LED, but beware a lot of the square LED fixtures use a
different approach to dimming.  If you want dimming capability, this might
matter to you.  If not, Just go for it.  2x2 LED's designed for drop
ceilings are pretty cheap  and can be had a variety of different outputs
and color temperatures.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 11:46 AM Matt <[email-masked]> wrote:

> OK, so it is kitchen lighting but it is where I make my sandwiches that I
> eat in the SHOP!
>
> I have a 2 x2 surface mount fixture with 2 T12 bent tube fluorescents.
> Works fine but occasionally you have to flip the switch multiple times to
> get it on.  I thought probably a bad switch but it is on a dual switch an=
d
> it is intermittent on both&#65533;. Two bad switches or maybe a ballast
> going bad?
>
> I was semi surprised to find that the bulbs are still available for $10
> each.  An electronic ballast isn=E2=80=99t much more so I can completely =
replace
> the guts for $30.  Before I do, should I upgrade to T8, T5 or even LED?  =
I
> could easily fit an 18 inch round or square led panel into the existing
> fixture.
>
> Any thoughts?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d be tempted to go LED, but beware a lot of the squa=
re LED fixtures use a different approach to dimming.=C2=A0 If you want dimm=
ing capability, this might matter to you.=C2=A0 If not, Just go for it.=C2=
=A0 2x2 LED&#39;s designed for drop ceilings are pretty cheap=C2=A0 and can=
 be had a variety of different outputs and color temperatures.<br></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, A=
ug 30, 2021 at 11:46 AM Matt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mbarre@=
juno.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex">OK, so it is kitchen lighting but it is where I make my sandwiches =
that I eat in the SHOP!<br>
<br>
I have a 2 x2 surface mount fixture with 2 T12 bent tube fluorescents. Work=
s fine but occasionally you have to flip the switch multiple times to get i=
t on.=C2=A0 I thought probably a bad switch but it is on a dual switch and =
it is intermittent on both&amp;#65533;. Two bad switches or maybe a ballast=
 going bad?<br>
<br>
I was semi surprised to find that the bulbs are still available for $10 eac=
h.=C2=A0 An electronic ballast isn=E2=80=99t much more so I can completely =
replace the guts for $30.=C2=A0 Before I do, should I upgrade to T8, T5 or =
even LED?=C2=A0 I could easily fit an 18 inch round or square led panel int=
o the existing fixture.<br>
<br>
Any thoughts?<br>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:50:14 -0500

Make sure the fixture is grounded. If it isn’t, it can cause this symptom. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Matt <[email-masked]> wrote:

OK, so it is kitchen lighting but it is where I make my sandwiches that I eat in the SHOP!

I have a 2 x2 surface mount fixture with 2 T12 bent tube fluorescents. Works fine but occasionally you have to flip the switch multiple times to get it on.  I thought probably a bad switch but it is on a dual switch and it is intermittent on both&#65533;. Two bad switches or maybe a ballast going bad?

I was semi surprised to find that the bulbs are still available for $10 each.  An electronic ballast isn’t much more so I can completely replace the guts for $30.  Before I do, should I upgrade to T8, T5 or even LED?  I could easily fit an 18 inch round or square led panel into the existing fixture.

Any thoughts?

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:50:42 -0400

If you can fit an LED fixture in there, I don't' see any reason not to.

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From: Jimmie Mayfield <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:59:45 -0400

Before you spend too much money retrofitting that fixture, have you 
considered installing some LED track-lighting in its place?  I had one 
of those dual-U fluorescent fixtures in the kitchen when I moved in.  
Could never get shadow-free lighting on the counters when I was 
working.  Wound up installing some generic track in an "L" shape and 
bought 8 PAR30 LED fixtures.  Total outlay was about $150 but now I have 
around 9000 lumens in the kitchen and the light is where I need it.  For 
a while, I had better lighting in the kitchen than I had in my garage!

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From: Peter Murray <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:47:48 -0400

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If you're wedded to the fixture, then a ballast or switch could fix that
issue. If you just want the light to work, perhaps one of these 2' X 2' LED
ceiling fixtures would be an easy (no paintwork needed) replacement:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-2-ft-LL-CPANL-LED-Flat-Pa=
nel-with-3300-Lumens-and-3500-to-5000K-Switchable-CCT-with-Direct-Ceiling-M=
ount-Bracket/5001878521

My MiL had one installed in her kitchen (replaced a 2' X 4' fluorescent)
and it works incredibly well. Color temperature is adjustable to suit your
desires.

-Peter

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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you&#39;re wedded to the fixture, then a ballast or swi=
tch could fix that issue. If you just want the light to work, perhaps one o=
f these 2&#39; X 2&#39; LED ceiling fixtures would=C2=A0be an easy (no pain=
twork needed) replacement:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.lowes.=
com/pd/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-2-ft-LL-CPANL-LED-Flat-Panel-with-3300-Lume=
ns-and-3500-to-5000K-Switchable-CCT-with-Direct-Ceiling-Mount-Bracket/50018=
78521">https://www.lowes.com/pd/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-2-ft-LL-CPANL-LED-=
Flat-Panel-with-3300-Lumens-and-3500-to-5000K-Switchable-CCT-with-Direct-Ce=
iling-Mount-Bracket/5001878521</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>My MiL had =
one installed in her kitchen (replaced a 2&#39; X 4&#39; fluorescent) and i=
t works incredibly well. Color temperature is adjustable to suit your desir=
es.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:00 PM Ji=
mmie Mayfield &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mayf=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">Before you spend too much money retrofitting tha=
t fixture, have you <br>
considered installing some LED track-lighting in its place?=C2=A0 I had one=
 <br>
of those dual-U fluorescent fixtures in the kitchen when I moved in.=C2=A0 =
<br>
Could never get shadow-free lighting on the counters when I was <br>
working.=C2=A0 Wound up installing some generic track in an &quot;L&quot; s=
hape and <br>
bought 8 PAR30 LED fixtures.=C2=A0 Total outlay was about $150 but now I ha=
ve <br>
around 9000 lumens in the kitchen and the light is where I need it.=C2=A0 F=
or <br>
a while, I had better lighting in the kitchen than I had in my garage!<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/30/21 12:43, Matt wrote:<br>
&gt; OK, so it is kitchen lighting but it is where I make my sandwiches tha=
t I eat in the SHOP!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have a 2 x2 surface mount fixture with 2 T12 bent tube fluorescents.=
 Works fine but occasionally you have to flip the switch multiple times to =
get it on.=C2=A0 I thought probably a bad switch but it is on a dual switch=
 and it is intermittent on both&amp;#65533;. Two bad switches or maybe a ba=
llast going bad?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I was semi surprised to find that the bulbs are still available for $1=
0 each.=C2=A0 An electronic ballast isn=E2=80=99t much more so I can comple=
tely replace the guts for $30.=C2=A0 Before I do, should I upgrade to T8, T=
5 or even LED?=C2=A0 I could easily fit an 18 inch round or square led pane=
l into the existing fixture.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Any thoughts?<br>
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 21:07:54 -0500

> I have a 2 x2 surface mount fixture with 2 T12 bent tube fluorescents. Works fine but occasionally you have to flip the switch multiple times to get it on.  I thought probably a bad switch but it i…

Sounds like a bad starter.  Is it built into the tube, or is
independent?  Replace the tube or starter, depending.  Or replace the
fixture, if that's your thing.  I wouldn't replace the ballast, unless
you want the retro 70s look.

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