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Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 02:56:33 +0000 Received: by kubenode544.mail-prod1.omega.gq1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3a9832863f59e0156f5eefdeb749e48f; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 02:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 21:56:24 -0500 From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" User-Agent: OEClassic/3.2 (Win10.19041; P; 2021-05-18) References: <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] weight capacity of aluminum channel Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format --===============0272873723724904883== This is a multi-part message in MIME format --mCruWevkvc93kkJPhqZN3xrhuSodtlu4=_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for my ca= r hauler. I have some 'available' that is 10" wide with .50 web thic= kness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft. ramps will be 7-8'=20 long =E2=80=A6.. and will go from ground to 17" high trailer deck... = truck weight is 5300 +/- =E2=80=A6 with front end weighting 3840. I= can't find a table telling me weight capacity of channel with the load traveling up the wide web... like this any i= deas on capacity ?? thanks john --mCruWevkvc93kkJPhqZN3xrhuSodtlu4=_ boundary="I=_2omKCKRECjqag0gFNJZPYJZZq1nmyLA" --I=_2omKCKRECjqag0gFNJZPYJZZq1nmyLA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for = my car hauler.  I have some 'available' that is  10" wide wi= th .50 web thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft.
 
ramps will be 7-8' long =E2=80=A6..  and will go from ground= to 17" high trailer deck...  truck weight is 5300 +/- =E2=80=A6 = with front end weighting 3840.   I can't find a table tellin= g me weight capacity of
channel with the load traveling up the wide web...   li= ke this   any ideas on capacity ??
 
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thanks
john
 
 
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[192.168.1.117] ([68.32.79.140]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id zGDblv8qtAxojzGDoldxFx; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 10:16:33 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN.ref@johns-desktop> <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN@johns-desktop> From: Donald H Locker Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:16:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] weight capacity of aluminum channel Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net BIG NOTE: please check my calculations and assumptions; I haven't actually done any of this for nearly 40 years. TLDR: They might not work. The significant supporting bits are the two flanges (3in x 0.5in); the plate across the top adds very little strength. All calculations below in pounds and inches. The maximum stress on the webs (if the weight is perfectly divided between them; more on that later) will be (equation 1-1 in reference 1) with the weight at the center of the ramp. Fb (bending stress in the flange of the channel) must be less than the yield stress of the channel material. Fb =3D M*c/I [Ref 2] M for each web: PL/8 =3D P*120in/8 =3D P*15in [P is point load, lb] [email] c for each web: 1.5in [Ref 4] I for each web: (b*(h^3))/12 =3D ((0.5in)*(3in)^3)/12 =3D 1.125in^4 Fb =3D (P*15in*1.5in)/1.125in^4 =3D P*20 lb/in^2 For the given situation, p=3D3840lb, so Fb (max) is 3840*20 =3D 76800lb/in^2 distributed between the two channels, each with two flanges. Since Fb must be less than the material yield stress, 10000 psi for some kind of structural Al, but not high-strength material [Ref 3], this doesn't look very good. Each flange would be loaded to about 19200lb/in^2 if all loads were perfectly distributed. (Note that high-strength Al (e.g. 6061) can have a yield stress of 45000lb/in^2 so looks much more likely to succeed, but I don't know how much I'd trust that.) My biggest concerns would be the division of stresses between flanges (if one channel tilts a little or is not sitting perfectly flat on the trailer or ground, stress sharing will be uneven and one flange make take all stress) and the potential for flange instability (see notes in 1.3.1.5 in Ref 1.) This may not be a problem because the flanges are not particularly deep, but I watched a boat hung from I-beams drop when a structural I-beam twisted slightly from imperfect loading and the entire structure quickly twisted into a totally unsupportive mess. References: 1 Beam stress/strain: 2 Beam force/reaction: 3 Material properties: 4 Area moments: ATB, Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2021-07-01 10:56 p.m., john niolon wrote: > I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for my car > hauler.=A0 I have some 'available' that is=A0 10" wide with .50 web > thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft. > =A0 > ramps will be 7-8' long =85..=A0 and will go from ground to 17" high trai= ler > deck...=A0 truck weight is 5300 +/- =85 with front end weighting 3840.=A0= =A0 I > can't find a table telling me weight capacity of > channel with the load traveling up the wide web...=A0=A0 like this=A0=A0 = any > ideas on capacity ?? > =A0 > Image87ABA31D > =A0 > thanks > john > =A0 > =A0 > = > _______________________________________________ > = > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar= chive > = > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhloc= ker@comcast.net > = _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 2 04:34:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474BDA0EBA for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 04:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CB5A0D2E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 04:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id zGFklV2CzhBVizGQ2lzLVe; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 10:29:10 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1625221750; bh=LTmA8hdBhNVoGOGNsWbJ8q4xOKUIAd6ZvnsXUl96i8A=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=D4pvXFa1etRZL/Jy8H73pctQu9tKY/8DO74SQQlH6TL9Cbs670zbvs7HrHqCUn26H HL9QoWA3+HaaerwFEHyEVmbhHiP5Yq8VFrQGQ5eocDWuW448RFnqLI6joqsIK5Rq88 HdqRr4nZSQHoUqv0a+dQQzR1bAw5JI4vcK7qmerZuSRpHgzZyflRj9osxAsEUbRx0y 2FZ9nOFMNeABwwkEUKgpdwYLB35FpFsUAiiNVBlA0ce8yailYCPLMvWH+XqB1HZdKA YJcQA3S7U03w18pPWb9A2vf9mIbZTkih9SRQr6ryzOiLhhsV4xPXZoL21s+aH+YNBl KJa2TIX+sxXPQ== Received: from [192.168.1.133] ([68.32.79.140]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id zGQ0l0J1LAtJTzGQ1lvzmx; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 10:29:10 +0000 From: Donald H Locker To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN.ref@johns-desktop> <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN@johns-desktop> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:29:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] weight capacity of aluminum channel Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net First oops - I used 10ft length, not 8ft. At 8ft, the numbers look better by about 20% Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2021-07-02 6:16 a.m., Donald H Locker wrote: > BIG NOTE: please check my calculations and assumptions; I haven't > actually done any of this for nearly 40 years. > = > TLDR: They might not work. > = > The significant supporting bits are the two flanges (3in x 0.5in); the > plate across the top adds very little strength. > = > All calculations below in pounds and inches. > = > The maximum stress on the webs (if the weight is perfectly divided > between them; more on that later) will be (equation 1-1 in reference 1) > with the weight at the center of the ramp. Fb (bending stress in the > flange of the channel) must be less than the yield stress of the channel > material. > = > Fb =3D M*c/I > = > [Ref 2] M for each web: PL/8 =3D P*120in/8 =3D P*15in [P is point load, l= b] > [email] c for each web: 1.5in > [Ref 4] I for each web: (b*(h^3))/12 =3D ((0.5in)*(3in)^3)/12 =3D 1.125in= ^4 > = > Fb =3D (P*15in*1.5in)/1.125in^4 =3D P*20 lb/in^2 > = > For the given situation, p=3D3840lb, so Fb (max) is 3840*20 =3D 76800lb/i= n^2 > distributed between the two channels, each with two flanges. Since Fb > must be less than the material yield stress, 10000 psi for some kind of > structural Al, but not high-strength material [Ref 3], this doesn't look > very good. Each flange would be loaded to about 19200lb/in^2 if all > loads were perfectly distributed. (Note that high-strength Al (e.g. > 6061) can have a yield stress of 45000lb/in^2 so looks much more likely > to succeed, but I don't know how much I'd trust that.) > = > My biggest concerns would be the division of stresses between flanges > (if one channel tilts a little or is not sitting perfectly flat on the > trailer or ground, stress sharing will be uneven and one flange make > take all stress) and the potential for flange instability (see notes in > 1.3.1.5 in Ref 1.) This may not be a problem because the flanges are not > particularly deep, but I watched a boat hung from I-beams drop when a > structural I-beam twisted slightly from imperfect loading and the entire > structure quickly twisted into a totally unsupportive mess. > = > References: > 1 Beam stress/strain: > > = > 2 Beam force/reaction: > > = > 3 Material properties: > > = > 4 Area moments: > > = > ATB, > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > = > On 2021-07-01 10:56 p.m., john niolon wrote: >> I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for my car >> hauler.=A0 I have some 'available' that is=A0 10" wide with .50 web >> thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft. >> =A0 >> ramps will be 7-8' long =85..=A0 and will go from ground to 17" high tra= iler >> deck...=A0 truck weight is 5300 +/- =85 with front end weighting 3840.= =A0=A0 I >> can't find a table telling me weight capacity of >> channel with the load traveling up the wide web...=A0=A0 like this=A0=A0= any >> ideas on capacity ?? >> =A0 >> Image87ABA31D >> =A0 >> thanks >> john >> =A0 >> =A0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/a= rchive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlo= cker@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 2 06:49:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4888CA0AD5 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB75A0EAD for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id p24so13167692ljj.1 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:42:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AqQgqdgPL7T9ghekoZLR63asIfPZKOsnXKRolpQhrrU=; b=otep308YTPgm3wx/JzTOUQW2Avx9wystKxRwks466fh7BpdvcbHPb59a23h5jQO37c uyQXOYMC2+kjpLusVK7hax5ALY8U32Pc2PqLh3pQD7F7/fnYnfQRE2E/+o1UK2qqDZLp i/eWk0qA8BiujyNgBmvz9nRxs820Lluqq8k7BB3wvmpbzrrrO86xQCxsS+yrWI6xynY9 LwDMgp9EzC+mc1Oo4QUQ+6h7zo3mRUsG9Xh/4l+L/h74oLHka/fBia9NNx4m+fb/2lk1 QYKIaB4p9e44MMXP5KVmQxFJaNMkQws4XXYBO6klt8gUcyELe4tnGAHqmJkxMosvv2Sb kP1Q== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AqQgqdgPL7T9ghekoZLR63asIfPZKOsnXKRolpQhrrU=; b=MgSXmocxafmILrrCLC8A9Am0MisLMiAilZ5k53nLdDQKTy9jz4C13bwHvlJgCOUXDh eMOEAf+wdbroSiHIlW1BaTJTw0WMDcjC1eyvBXNfKfWBROx9TsXDCxaPOupOz3bJJXYd eezmMfMOUKmQDB4bNIliOttcMImQ6OuLiJC+xKaykpEQC9ByOyTji5/1rmuUMcJdWRVV xUCDejyKLilieAHrUM9zBL5l+rsFs8XpHJ9A1VmFagI8WoVTQffjg+UDwsEW3wg32xXg 3QJawMuH3PZpK3TMAZb1YQQvd8ytclckW14AHD6Y39TKshaC0NBeBV+aG4b2PxczleUQ DZ3g== ButXeguIwCZMo6yiUFDXWYLS3haSDKxkvYKDfto= Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN.ref@johns-desktop> <1UZ2jB6kD5.2FWo8X8OZYN@johns-desktop> <881859ea-f471-0c1a-c52f-02d94118e4cb@comcast.net> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 08:42:16 -0400 To: Donald H Locker Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] weight capacity of aluminum channel Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7484050273822021780== --000000000000d5cfb305c62349b8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't done it on 35 years, but at least your equations look familiar. I find that comforting. If the capability is questionable, would solid wood blocks of a suitable height to support the channel somewhere near the center help? On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 06:34 Donald H Locker wrote: > First oops - I used 10ft length, not 8ft. At 8ft, the numbers look > better by about 20% > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ > > On 2021-07-02 6:16 a.m., Donald H Locker wrote: > > BIG NOTE: please check my calculations and assumptions; I haven't > > actually done any of this for nearly 40 years. > > > > TLDR: They might not work. > > > > The significant supporting bits are the two flanges (3in x 0.5in); the > > plate across the top adds very little strength. > > > > All calculations below in pounds and inches. > > > > The maximum stress on the webs (if the weight is perfectly divided > > between them; more on that later) will be (equation 1-1 in reference 1) > > with the weight at the center of the ramp. Fb (bending stress in the > > flange of the channel) must be less than the yield stress of the channe= l > > material. > > > > Fb =3D M*c/I > > > > [Ref 2] M for each web: PL/8 =3D P*120in/8 =3D P*15in [P is point load,= lb] > > [email] c for each web: 1.5in > > [Ref 4] I for each web: (b*(h^3))/12 =3D ((0.5in)*(3in)^3)/12 =3D 1.125= in^4 > > > > Fb =3D (P*15in*1.5in)/1.125in^4 =3D P*20 lb/in^2 > > > > For the given situation, p=3D3840lb, so Fb (max) is 3840*20 =3D 76800lb= /in^2 > > distributed between the two channels, each with two flanges. Since Fb > > must be less than the material yield stress, 10000 psi for some kind of > > structural Al, but not high-strength material [Ref 3], this doesn't loo= k > > very good. Each flange would be loaded to about 19200lb/in^2 if all > > loads were perfectly distributed. (Note that high-strength Al (e.g. > > 6061) can have a yield stress of 45000lb/in^2 so looks much more likely > > to succeed, but I don't know how much I'd trust that.) > > > > My biggest concerns would be the division of stresses between flanges > > (if one channel tilts a little or is not sitting perfectly flat on the > > trailer or ground, stress sharing will be uneven and one flange make > > take all stress) and the potential for flange instability (see notes in > > 1.3.1.5 in Ref 1.) This may not be a problem because the flanges are no= t > > particularly deep, but I watched a boat hung from I-beams drop when a > > structural I-beam twisted slightly from imperfect loading and the entir= e > > structure quickly twisted into a totally unsupportive mess. > > > > References: > > 1 Beam stress/strain: > > < > https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/simple-beam-bending-air-force-st= ress-manual > > > > > > 2 Beam force/reaction: > > < > https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/beam-forces-moments-air-force-st= ress-manual > > > > > > 3 Material properties: > > > > > > > 4 Area moments: > > > > > > ATB, > > Donald. > > -- > > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > > /\ > > > > On 2021-07-01 10:56 p.m., john niolon wrote: > >> I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps for my ca= r > >> hauler. I have some 'available' that is 10" wide with .50 web > >> thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft. > >> > >> ramps will be 7-8' long =E2=80=A6.. and will go from ground to 17" hi= gh trailer > >> deck... truck weight is 5300 +/- =E2=80=A6 with front end weighting 3= 840. I > >> can't find a table telling me weight capacity of > >> channel with the load traveling up the wide web... like this any > >> ideas on capacity ?? > >> > >> Image87ABA31D > >> > >> thanks > >> john > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > >> > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker@comcast.net > >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000d5cfb305c62349b8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't done it on 35 years, but at least your equa= tions look familiar.=C2=A0 I find that comforting.

If the capability is questionable, would solid wood bl= ocks of a suitable height to support the channel somewhere near the center = help?

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 06:34 Donald H Locker <dhlocker@comcast.net> wrote:
First oops - I used 10ft length, not 8ft. At 8ft, t= he numbers look
better by about 20%

Donald.
--
*Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
() no proprietary attachments; no html mail
/\ <https://www.georgedillon.= com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml>

On 2021-07-02 6:16 a.m., Donald H Locker wrote:
> BIG NOTE: please check my calculations and assumptions; I haven't<= br> > actually done any of this for nearly 40 years.
>
> TLDR: They might not work.
>
> The significant supporting bits are the two flanges (3in x 0.5in); the=
> plate across the top adds very little strength.
>
> All calculations below in pounds and inches.
>
> The maximum stress on the webs (if the weight is perfectly divided
> between them; more on that later) will be (equation 1-1 in reference 1= )
> with the weight at the center of the ramp. Fb (bending stress in the > flange of the channel) must be less than the yield stress of the chann= el
> material.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fb =3D M*c/I
>
> [Ref 2] M for each web: PL/8 =3D P*120in/8 =3D P*15in [P is point load= , lb]
> [email] c for each web: 1.5in
> [Ref 4] I for each web: (b*(h^3))/12 =3D ((0.5in)*(3in)^3)/12 =3D 1.12= 5in^4
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fb =3D (P*15in*1.5in)/1.125in^4 =3D P*20 lb/in^2
>
> For the given situation, p=3D3840lb, so Fb (max) is 3840*20 =3D 76800l= b/in^2
> distributed between the two channels, each with two flanges. Since Fb<= br> > must be less than the material yield stress, 10000 psi for some kind o= f
> structural Al, but not high-strength material [Ref 3], this doesn'= t look
> very good. Each flange would be loaded to about 19200lb/in^2 if all > loads were perfectly distributed. (Note that high-strength Al (e.g. > 6061) can have a yield stress of 45000lb/in^2 so looks much more likel= y
> to succeed, but I don't know how much I'd trust that.)
>
> My biggest concerns would be the division of stresses between flanges<= br> > (if one channel tilts a little or is not sitting perfectly flat on the=
> trailer or ground, stress sharing will be uneven and one flange make > take all stress) and the potential for flange instability (see notes i= n
> 1.3.1.5 in Ref 1.) This may not be a problem because the flanges are n= ot
> particularly deep, but I watched a boat hung from I-beams drop when a<= br> > structural I-beam twisted slightly from imperfect loading and the enti= re
> structure quickly twisted into a totally unsupportive mess.
>
> References:
> 1 Beam stress/strain:
> <https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/simple-beam-bending-air-force-= stress-manual>
>
> 2 Beam force/reaction:
> <https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/beam-forces-moments-air-force-= stress-manual>
>
> 3 Material properties:
> <https://w= ww.engineeringtoolbox.com/properties-aluminum-pipe-d_1340.html>
>
> 4 Area moments:
> <https://www.en= gineeringtoolbox.com/area-moment-inertia-d_1328.html>
>
> ATB,
> Donald.
> --
> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
> /\ <https://www.georgedi= llon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml>
>
> On 2021-07-01 10:56 p.m., john niolon wrote:
>> I'm thinking about using aluminum channel for a set of ramps f= or my car
>> hauler.=C2=A0 I have some 'available' that is=C2=A0 10&quo= t; wide with .50 web
>> thickness and almost 3" flange... about 15# per ft.
>> =C2=A0
>> ramps will be 7-8' long =E2=80=A6..=C2=A0 and will go from gro= und to 17" high trailer
>> deck...=C2=A0 truck weight is 5300 +/- =E2=80=A6 with front end we= ighting 3840.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I
>> can't find a table telling me weight capacity of
>> channel with the load traveling up the wide web...=C2=A0=C2=A0 lik= e this=C2=A0=C2=A0 any
>> ideas on capacity ??
>> =C2=A0
>> Image87ABA31D
>> =C2=A0
>> thanks
>> john
>> =C2=A0
>> =C2=A0
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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--_000_TU4PR8401MB04169EFBB6E89119FE1ED5249A1F9TU4PR8401MB0416_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've recently been enjoying the benefits of adding a smart plug (https://wy= ze.com/wyze-plug.html) to the AC unit in my detached workshop/garage so I c= an remotely turn it on and off, and also monitor it using a remote temp/hum= idity sensor from Govee. Makes it easy to turn on the AC before I decide to= go out there, or turn it off if I decide not to. I've also added one to ou= r attic fan for those really hot days. This has me thinking it would be great to be able to do this with my hardwi= red electric heater as well for the winter months. I've used this heater fo= r a few years now and find it does a great job to maintain temps but can ta= ke a few hours to get the temps up on the colder days: https://www.lowes.c= om/pd/Comfort-Zone-17065-BTU-Ceiling-Mount-Electric-Fan-Forced-Industrial-U= tility-Heater-Furnace-with-Safety-Overheat-Protection/1003054570?cm_mmc=3Ds= hp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-google-_-pla-_--_-sosheatingandcoolers-_-1003054570-_-= 0&placeholder=3Dnull&ds_rl=3D1286981&gclid=3DCj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1DJfb= givVS-Z2JpGFJV22vCzRj8CZB6sI-z5FXzgVIAXGz0e0J5bNwaAt0hEALw_wcB&gclsrc=3Daw.= ds I had been thinking the only way to do it was to add a "smart" breaker to t= he subpanel I have in the garage but those seem a bit pricey and was wonder= ing if it would be good for the unit to power it on and off repeatedly usin= g the breaker. I was amazed to find that someone did a nice writeup on adding automation t= o this exact heater model using some pretty affordable pieces: https://thes= martcave.com/how-to-make-smart-garage-heater/ I have plenty of time to plan this out before cold weather, but was curious= if anyone has done something like this, something similar to automate hard= wired devices like heaters, or thinks this is a safe way to go about it? Thx PJ --_000_TU4PR8401MB04169EFBB6E89119FE1ED5249A1F9TU4PR8401MB0416_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've recently been enjoying the benefits of adding a smart plug (https://wyze.com/wyze-plug.h= tml) to the AC unit in my detached workshop/garage so I can remote= ly turn it on and off, and also monitor it using a remote temp/humidity sensor from Govee. Makes it easy to turn on t= he AC before I decide to go out there, or turn it off if I decide not to. I= 've also added one to our attic fan for those really hot days. 

This has me thinking it would be great to be able to do this with my hardwi= red electric heater as well for the winter months. I've used this heater fo= r a few years now and find it does a great job to maintain temps but can ta= ke a few hours to get the temps up on the colder days:  https://www.lowes.com/pd/Comfort-Zone-17065-BTU-Ceiling-Mount-Electric-Fan-= Forced-Industrial-Utility-Heater-Furnace-with-Safety-Overheat-Protection/10= 03054570?cm_mmc=3Dshp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-google-_-pla-_--_-sosheatingandcool= ers-_-1003054570-_-0&placeholder=3Dnull&ds_rl=3D1286981&gclid= =3DCj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1DJfbgivVS-Z2JpGFJV22vCzRj8CZB6sI-z5FXzgVIAXGz0= e0J5bNwaAt0hEALw_wcB&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

I had been thinking the only way to do it was to add a "smart" br= eaker to the subpanel I have in the garage but those seem a bit pricey and = was wondering if it would be good for the unit to power it on and off repea= tedly using the breaker.  

I was amazed to find that someone did a nice writeup on adding automation t= o this exact heater model using some pretty affordable pieces: https://thesmartcave.com/how-to-make-smart-garage-heater/

I have plenty of time to plan this out before cold weather, but was curious= if anyone has done something like this, something similar to automate hard= wired devices like heaters, or thinks this is a safe way to go about it?

Thx
PJ
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--===============8881268894336060135== boundary="=====================_325827525==.ALT" --=====================_325827525==.ALT PJ, I was considering doing something similar. The heater I have keeps the fan running for a couple of minutes when the thermostat stops calling for heat. While it can handle having the power cut completely, the manufacturer said that doing that repeatedly was bad for the heater and could shorten its life. My plan was instead to wire the relay into the line going to the thermostat so it would continue to function in the usual way. The relay being open would be the same as the thermostat being open, not calling for heat. Unfortunately, this thought experiment is as far as I have gotten. This project remains on my "maybe I'll get to it someday" list. -Steve T. At 09:29 AM 7/2/2021, PJ McGarvey wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_TU4PR8401MB04169EFBB6E89119FE1ED5249A1F9TU4PR8401MB0416_" > >I've recently been enjoying the benefits of adding a smart plug >(https://wyze.com/wyze-plug.html) >to the AC unit in my detached workshop/garage so I can remotely turn >it on and off, and also monitor it using a remote temp/humidity >sensor from Govee. Makes it easy to turn on the AC before I decide >to go out there, or turn it off if I decide not to. I've also added >one to our attic fan for those really hot days. > >This has me thinking it would be great to be able to do this with my >hardwired electric heater as well for the winter months. I've used >this heater for a few years now and find it does a great job to >maintain temps but can take a few hours to get the temps up on the >colder >days: >https://www.lowes.com/pd/Comfort-Zone-17065-BTU-Ceiling-Mount-Electric-Fan-Forced-Industrial-Utility-Heater-Furnace-with-Safety-Overheat-Protection/1003054570?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-google-_-pla-_--_-sosheatingandcoolers-_-1003054570-_-0&placeholder=null&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1DJfbgivVS-Z2JpGFJV22vCzRj8CZB6sI-z5FXzgVIAXGz0e0J5bNwaAt0hEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds > >I had been thinking the only way to do it was to add a "smart" >breaker to the subpanel I have in the garage but those seem a bit >pricey and was wondering if it would be good for the unit to power >it on and off repeatedly using the breaker. > >I was amazed to find that someone did a nice writeup on adding >automation to this exact heater model using some pretty affordable >pieces: >https://thesmartcave.com/how-to-make-smart-garage-heater/ > >I have plenty of time to plan this out before cold weather, but was >curious if anyone has done something like this, something similar to >automate hardwired devices like heaters, or thinks this is a safe >way to go about it? > >Thx >PJ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_325827525==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PJ,

I was considering doing something similar.  The heater I have keeps the fan running for a couple of minutes when the thermostat stops calling for heat.  While it can handle having the power cut completely, the manufacturer said that doing that repeatedly was bad for the heater and could shorten its life.  My plan was instead to wire the relay into the line going to the thermostat so it would continue to function in the usual way.  The relay being open would be the same as the thermostat being open, not calling for heat.  Unfortunately, this thought experiment is as far as I have gotten.  This project remains on my "maybe I'll get to it someday" list. 

-Steve T.

At 09:29 AM 7/2/2021, PJ McGarvey wrote:
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I've recently been enjoying the benefits of adding a smart plug ( https://wyze.com/wyze-plug.html) to the AC unit in my detached workshop/garage so I can remotely turn it on and off, and also monitor it using a remote temp/humidity sensor from Govee. Makes it easy to turn on the AC before I decide to go out there, or turn it off if I decide not to. I've also added one to our attic fan for those really hot days.

This has me thinking it would be great to be able to do this with my hardwired electric heater as well for the winter months. I've used this heater for a few years now and find it does a great job to maintain temps but can take a few hours to get the temps up on the colder days:  https://www.lowes.com/pd/Comfort-Zone-17065-BTU-Ceiling-Mount-Electric-Fan-= Forced-Industrial-Utility-Heater-Furnace-with-Safety-Overheat-Protection/10= 03054570?cm_mmc=3Dshp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-google-_-pla-_--_-sosheatingandcool= ers-_-1003054570-_-0&placeholder=3Dnull&ds_rl=3D1286981&gclid= =3DCj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1DJfbgivVS-Z2JpGFJV22vCzRj8CZB6sI-z5FXzgVIAXGz0= e0J5bNwaAt0hEALw_wcB&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

I had been thinking the only way to do it was to add a "smart" breaker to the subpanel I have in the garage but those seem a bit pricey and was wondering if it would be good for the unit to power it on and off repeatedly using the breaker. 

I was amazed to find that someone did a nice writeup on adding automation to this exact heater model using some pretty affordable pieces: https://thesmartcave.com/how-to-make-smart-garage-heater/

I have plenty of time to plan this out before cold weather, but was curious if anyone has done something like this, something similar to automate hardwired devices like heaters, or thinks this is a safe way to go about it?

Thx
PJ

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--=====================_325827525==.ALT-- --===============8881268894336060135== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8881268894336060135==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 8 16:03:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB51A0AEC for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway22.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.46.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7121AA0A1A for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cm16.websitewelcome.com (cm16.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.19]) by gateway22.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCDF22CC6 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com ([198.57.247.151]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id 1c6kmxKCfpGxH1c6kmIfzi; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:02:58 -0500 Received: from [198.57.247.151] (port=60810 helo=gator3187.hostgator.com) by gator3187.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m1c6k-002C1a-3F for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:02:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:02:56 -0500 From: lee@automate-it.com To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 please include it with any abuse report Subject: [Shop-talk] Gojo no longer the Go-To Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've used the Gojo "1204" dispenser for years, when it runs out just plop another 4.5-lb canister on it and your good to go. But apparently no longer. https://amz.run/4iwJ Even though the canister looks the same, and may even still have the instructions on the side for mounting on the dispenser, it does not work. With a little searching I find that one may be able to empty the contents of the new canister into an old one, but there's evidence that the new formula will just run out of the nozzle. I found one review that included this quote from Gojo: "Please note, due to a necessary formulation upgrade in 2018, this product is no longer compatible with the #1204 dispenser." Which also probably means that it doesn't work as well as the old formulation. I hope I'm wrong. I've used Goop and a couple of others, and none were as effective as Original-formula Gojo. Suggestions for the best replacement? - Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 8 16:11:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69215A0E4F for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway21.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.45.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0811DA0E4F for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cm17.websitewelcome.com (cm17.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.20]) by gateway21.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84393400E4009 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com ([198.57.247.151]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id 1cEWmqBfRMGeE1cEWmM97q; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:11:00 -0500 Received: from [198.57.247.151] (port=22118 helo=gator3187.hostgator.com) by gator3187.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m1cEV-002Kkb-ON for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:10:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:10:58 -0500 From: lee@automate-it.com To: Shop Talk References: <065240d47057189fa1d5a2a56936b123@automate-it.com> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 please include it with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gojo no longer the Go-To Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At least Gojo has not removed the reviews from their own web site. The product page (https://www.gojo.com/en/Product/1115-06) "GOJO ORIGINAL FORMULA Hand Cleaner" has 16 reviews - and ALL 16 are 1-star reviews! Remember "New Coke", anyone? - Lee On 2021-07-08 17:02, lee@automate-it.com wrote: > I've used the Gojo "1204" dispenser for years, when it runs out just > plop another 4.5-lb canister on it and your good to go. > But apparently no longer. https://amz.run/4iwJ > > Even though the canister looks the same, and may even still have the > instructions on the side for mounting on the dispenser, it does not > work. With a little searching I find that one may be able to empty the > contents of the new canister into an old one, but there's evidence > that the new formula will just run out of the nozzle. > > I found one review that included this quote from Gojo: "Please note, > due to a necessary formulation upgrade in 2018, this product is no > longer compatible with the #1204 dispenser." Which also probably means > that it doesn't work as well as the old formulation. I hope I'm wrong. > I've used Goop and a couple of others, and none were as effective as > Original-formula Gojo. > > Suggestions for the best replacement? > > - Lee _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 8 16:23:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEC1A133A for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (unknown [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF14A1326 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:23:38 -0600 (MDT) bh=jZfX/H6VvJFpd1/7HmUnGsLAJh+smZAT9NqxRiHtpDQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=ivAtvOcoHMLSaGkRHpB1yU4xl7YTThpFvYINrbFHN0biFQWdanL7wwm/zMQYohyTy e/FWhO1DPuLY7In8IO9fEOToGJnZzsQRaNY6CD/iF4XnPfruvzzgqJLXldWc0s9q7U TWRhxnEsvXKyhTjxTMhVElERFkxZM7iyoqq4UcFjfrr3x6OYOfGZcwyE7jW4K0eOmm b63ANMOVCS8VU5ssqbCM+9eIuodYtmnmuDz5nxNEN/nUr2jca0d6d/uIQlp6tPyFm6 awgKv50j2jrDdHCW84PClGJvF0Kufdv89FjuRsBNDedbiX3AcKHTG1+EQ9jHrWS6jT ZfRA/NAv3rcgQ== Authentication-Results: mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=BtHS1wCAVwFGGf/2A35Y6w==:117 a=BtHS1wCAVwFGGf/2A35Y6w==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=xdmlJVf0AAAA:8 a=7uE26VTJAAAA:20 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=twBB8hRLv02p3QoTqZ4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=f6MB7ypDJ0dfGAZQodnh:22 Received: from [68.194.179.118] ([68.194.179.118:54688] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id B5/1D-26542-9EA77E06; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:23:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:20:43 -0400 To: lee@automate-it.com,Shop Talk From: Steven Trovato References: <065240d47057189fa1d5a2a56936b123@automate-it.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gojo no longer the Go-To Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My son is a machinist, and he turned me on to Kresto Classic hand cleaner. It is much grittier than the Gojo. I like it. Here's a link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XGRNKRC -Steve At 06:02 PM 7/8/2021, lee@automate-it.com wrote: >I've used the Gojo "1204" dispenser for years, when it runs out just >plop another 4.5-lb canister on it and your good to go. >But apparently no longer. https://amz.run/4iwJ > >Even though the canister looks the same, and may even still have the >instructions on the side for mounting on the dispenser, it does not >work. With a little searching I find that one may be able to empty >the contents of the new canister into an old one, but there's >evidence that the new formula will just run out of the nozzle. > >I found one review that included this quote from Gojo: "Please note, >due to a necessary formulation upgrade in 2018, this product is no >longer compatible with the #1204 dispenser." Which also probably >means that it doesn't work as well as the old formulation. I hope >I'm wrong. I've used Goop and a couple of others, and none were as >effective as Original-formula Gojo. > >Suggestions for the best replacement? > > - Lee -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 8 17:57:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A89A12F4 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48478A123C for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34A914E340 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 19:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjKcR1fE6qqf for ; 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I'm building a boat that needs 15 gallons of epoxy, and I have gone through 4 or 5 gallons of vinegar so far. I'm surprised that the instructions on little hardware-store tubes of epoxy don't tell you this. Doug On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 7:57 PM Jimmie Mayfield < mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote: > > > I have a Fast Orange pump in my garage. About the only thing it found > that it doesn't work well on is epoxy resin. I've even used it, mixed > with purple Simple Green, to remove oil stains from my garage floor. It > does leave your hands smelly, though. > > --0000000000006a08e605c6a5c59d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Household vinegar works very well for cleaning up unc= ured epoxy.=C2=A0 I'm building a boat that needs
15 gallons o= f epoxy, and I have gone through 4 or 5 gallons of vinegar so far.
I'm surprised that the instructions on little hardware-store tubes of= epoxy don't tell you this.

Doug

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 7:57 PM Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:

I have a Fast Orange pump in my garage.=C2=A0 About the only thing it found=
that it doesn't work well on is epoxy resin.=C2=A0 I've even used i= t, mixed
with purple Simple Green, to remove oil stains from my garage floor.=C2=A0 = It
does leave your hands smelly, though.

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To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: Hanging heavy shop wall art Thread-Index: AQHXdd8tAULLznS8q0OhQuDT2EHENg== Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 23:12:30 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:8075066AF89A6EC2D357ECB297404976855E970E2530FACFA46699048D45872A; UpperCasedChecksum:528BF676BB819416E3967E8DF0BA9082A87A0D5A47623567B4C370FC81F8376F; SizeAsReceived:6776; Count:41 x-tmn: [xDIWGZSG77YW6Ibv0ZGoH3kGlU/jLDlibEBxiiXZ5scEsp/TtDx2kz/BWn+eCTV1wt2osXXvPIU=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 773a932d-bc86-43b8-d90e-08d943f830e5 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CO1NAM11HT099: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: tObw6OhxlnSXuUCrnQIxQqyX99y+aKpljroRYqD7mxAdSR/votIzHJMroAy/i3ubELv003/q5KCGq2ZNnGrd13mFnHRc+nXXuYx2adBuDVPLK72B9uQlFt+A5gIYncrw9EK3rICb0IKnMtLwxxfopgGjIcg08SiuvXEmMuIjb0MCqznrCYJUmQZrNxKiIXLRIU/TIOFjcQ62Se+vtLFvlj0O9bOj8TiVCwVYVxqFRj7/WAW8eFTae8kPpGZa+tkox/Z8YIlyWi/GKMz93jLZIbo5J7TeU6kT1bjrLzCNvcBx3HiNfK18UzdvojbPtY8aKGOjt5NYnrCv4UFLOstp0rue965k7IH8fIaFodf+nbKH5tfko9LSGkT8loJ1s5I3VpD4eB7sjGI3v/QrJyx+Hmr/Cwa67qoFJgPJfa0k/TLI78PWrZpq244blZqeXo4C x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: QJL4es/RtpJQTEbdfSYEf6ElFLUBEOy4+Qo/APE8cxvOfloviOtf4e+17bbHgykmLJLwvQYY/dqRwAeSYWQtB3zq0Zrs1MhHytaLsaZv8YlBzcTQoUlOBj3J+5TkSYbKqNUWQSd0lcXH4khccYJlBx5i8iAsjI0GE4RNRQSiONgSeDyTbPiOaA1NvdCj05gBeIlexNxujylsGoUxjgSXgw== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: [Shop-talk] Hanging heavy shop wall art Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7303734144202730993== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DS7PR19MB462908DCC3A7831B2B27F252B4179DS7PR19MB4629namp_" --_000_DS7PR19MB462908DCC3A7831B2B27F252B4179DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, I hesitated to ask this because I think it makes me sound like a moron. But= , in my defense, I am a moron who can't cut wood to save his life: measure = six times and STILL frell up the cut. So....here goes: I finally acquired a Datsun tail gate to hang next to a Datsun Roadster hoo= d that is just about totally covered by lichen. I want to hang these so the= y stay on the wall. Shop walls are bare stud. (I started to insulate and ha= ng OSB so the wall would be more solid that drywall. Once I notice that the= fool who built this garage put the untreated 2x4s bare on the slab so they= are not going to last to make it worthwhile to insulate.) Since I am in WI= we get a lot of humidity so I don't want to just put hooks in the studs an= d place the sheet metal on them. I am thinking of some sort of wire like hanging a picture with two or three= mount points on the wall. But, what should I use for the wire? It needs to= be something that won't corrode (obviously). I've been in bars and restaurants where there has been big stuff hanging fr= om the ceiling. I've even seen an F1 car hanging. SO, WTF are they using fo= r this? Sorry for the verbose ask here. thanks tim --_000_DS7PR19MB462908DCC3A7831B2B27F252B4179DS7PR19MB4629namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all, 

I hesitated to ask this because I think it makes me sound like a moron. But= , in my defense, I am a moron who can't cut wood to save his life: measure = six times and STILL frell up the cut. So....here goes: 

I finally acquired a Datsun tail gate to hang next to a Datsun Roadster hoo= d that is just about totally covered by lichen. I want to hang these so the= y stay on the wall. Shop walls are bare stud. (I started to insulate and ha= ng OSB so the wall would be more solid that drywall. Once I notice that the fool who built this garage put = the untreated 2x4s bare on the slab so they are not= going to last to make it worthwhile to insulate.) Since I am in WI we get a lot of humidity so I don't want to= just put hooks in the studs and place the sheet metal on them. 

I am thinking of some sort of wire like hanging a p= icture with two or three mount points on the wall. But, what should I use f= or the wire? It needs to be something that won't corrode (obviously).

I've been in bars and restaurants where there has been big stuff hanging fr= om the ceiling. I've even seen an F1 car hanging. SO, WTF are they using fo= r this? 

Sorry for the verbose ask here. 
thanks
tim 
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On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 6:1= 2 PM Tim . <tims_datsun= _stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
Hey all,=C2=A0

I hesitated to ask this because I think it makes me sound like a moron. But= , in my defense, I am a moron who can't cut wood to save his life: meas= ure six times and STILL frell up the cut. So....here goes:=C2=A0

I finally acquired a Datsun tail gate to hang next to a Datsun Roadster hoo= d that is just about totally covered by lichen. I want to hang these so the= y stay on the wall. Shop walls are bare stud. (I started to insulate and ha= ng OSB so the wall would be more solid that drywall. Once I notice that the fool who built this garage put = the untreated 2x4s bare on the slab so they are not going to = last to make it worthwhile to insulate.) Since I am in WI we get a lot of humidity so I don't wan= t to just put hooks in the studs and place the sheet metal on them.=C2=A0

I am thinking of some sort of wire like hanging a picture wit= h two or three mount points on the wall. But, what should I use for the wir= e? It needs to be something that won't corrode (obviously).

I've been in bars and restaurants where there has been big stuff hangin= g from the ceiling. I've even seen an F1 car hanging. SO, WTF are they = using for this?=C2=A0

Sorry for the verbose ask here.=C2=A0
thanks
tim=C2=A0
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Blair" 48o8KEjC6uFyh3ndVTOIOUyZTJ7jVCHpYN8g/JVb1sFeLglj8/6EtBGvp0K4HY+fhcwwtdk18EHcRYDrPNZg/CzhI57x4JJ7y68= Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool for getting frozen nuts loose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gang, Was just talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and working on rusted items. I was telling him about 2 tools I've seen, but I can't remember what they are called. So I thought someone here would maybe know what I'm talking about. 1. Is a tool that I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, and it uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item loose. 2. Is neat tool that will let you actually burn a broken bolt out of say an engine block. Anyone know what either or both of these are called? I want to find a video of them to send to my friend. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. 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Blair" References: <6.2.5.6.1.20210730173146.04a45a78@cox.net> =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.391,18.0.790,17.0.607.475.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2021-07-30=5F11:2021-07-29=5F01,2021-07-30=5F11,2020-04-07?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2107300149 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool for getting frozen nuts loose Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4241219111417259403== boundary="Apple-Mail=_3E6DD201-1F2C-4C7F-9B01-9A494FA35171" --Apple-Mail=_3E6DD201-1F2C-4C7F-9B01-9A494FA35171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 For #1, perhaps you are thinking of a inductive heater? = https://www.amazon.com/Solary-Magnetic-Induction-Automotive-Flameless/dp/B= 0851C6Q22/ = No experience, just found that with Google. Sort of sounds like #2, but = it doesn=E2=80=99t burn it out, just gets it really hot. -Darrell > On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:37 PM, John T. Blair wrote: >=20 >=20 > Gang, >=20 > Was just talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and > working on rusted items. I was telling him about 2 tools I've seen, = but I > can't remember what they are called. So I thought someone here would > maybe know what I'm talking about. >=20 > 1. Is a tool that I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, = and it > uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item loose. >=20 > 2. Is neat tool that will let you actually burn a broken bolt out of = say an engine block. >=20 > Anyone know what either or both of these are called? I want to find a > video of them to send to my friend. >=20 > John >=20 > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 >=20 > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic >=20 > Morgan: www.team.net/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org >=20 > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >=20 > =46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3E6DD201-1F2C-4C7F-9B01-9A494FA35171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

For #1, perhaps you are thinking of a = inductive heater?

https://www.amazon.com/Solary-Magnetic-Induction-Automotive-Fla= meless/dp/B0851C6Q22/

No experience, just found that with Google.  Sort of = sounds like #2, but it doesn=E2=80=99t burn it out, just gets it really = hot.

-Darrell

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:37 PM, John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> = wrote:


Gang,

Was just = talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and
working on rusted items.  I was telling him about 2 = tools I've seen, but I
can't remember what they are = called.  So I thought someone here would
maybe know = what I'm talking about.

1. Is a tool that = I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, and it
uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item = loose.

2. Is neat tool that will let you = actually burn a broken bolt out of say an engine block.

Anyone know what either or both of these are called?  I = want to find a
video of them to send to my friend.

John

John T. = Blair  WA4OHZ     email: =  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va =             &n= bsp;    Phone:  (757) 495-8229

         48 = TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 = Series V (B1106)
    75 Bricklin SV1 = (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett = III
=             &n= bsp;         65 Rambler = Classic

Morgan:    www.team.net/morgan
Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this =             - = Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank = a Vet!!

=46rom Dennis Prager - The American = Trilogy:
    e pluribus Unum, "from = many, one."
    In God We Trust
    Liberty - the  power  of =  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
=             &n= bsp;    oneself; freedom  from  control =  or  restriction



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= --Apple-Mail=_3E6DD201-1F2C-4C7F-9B01-9A494FA35171-- --===============4241219111417259403== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4241219111417259403==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 30 16:02:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F301CA1249 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway23.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.49.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38126A080D for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cm13.websitewelcome.com (cm13.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.6]) by gateway23.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E497842FDC for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 17:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com ([108.167.189.15]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id 9aZRmIDTkrJtZ9aZRmyVmt; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 17:01:33 -0500 Received: from ip184-187-184-85.sb.sd.cox.net ([184.187.184.85]:51092 helo=Nice-iMac.local) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9aZR-000j3G-9b for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 17:01:33 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6.2.5.6.1.20210730173146.04a45a78@cox.net> <8C78F886-9598-4E9D-8CD4-E0E51B1757BC@mac.com> From: Mike Rambour Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:01:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 Content-Language: en-US please include it with any abuse report [184.187.184.85]:51092 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool for getting frozen nuts loose Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2342430099676281373== boundary="------------2B20FF697049BF83D2459EF3" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2B20FF697049BF83D2459EF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  I just used the blue wrench (torch) yesterday on some stuff... I really like the idea of the heater in the link below, think i will try it out     mike On 7/30/21 2:54 PM, Darrell Walker wrote: > > For #1, perhaps you are thinking of a inductive heater? > > https://www.amazon.com/Solary-Magnetic-Induction-Automotive-Flameless/dp/B0851C6Q22/ > > > No experience, just found that with Google.  Sort of sounds like #2, > but it doesn’t burn it out, just gets it really hot. > > -Darrell > >> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:37 PM, John T. Blair > >> >> Gang, >> >> Was just talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and >> working on rusted items.  I was telling him about 2 tools I've seen, >> but I >> can't remember what they are called.  So I thought someone here would >> maybe know what I'm talking about. >> >> 1. Is a tool that I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, >> and it >> uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item loose. >> >> 2. Is neat tool that will let you actually burn a broken bolt out of >> say an engine block. >> >> Anyone know what either or both of these are called?  I want to find a >> video of them to send to my friend. >> >> John >> >> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ email:  jblair1948@cox.net >> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229 >> >>          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) >>     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III >>                       65 Rambler Classic >> >> Morgan: www.team.net/morgan >> Bricklin: www.bricklin.org >> >> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher! >> If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >> >> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: >>     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." >>     In God We Trust >>     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for >>                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation  $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com > -- A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, you'll probably never need one again. --------------2B20FF697049BF83D2459EF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 I just used the blue wrench (torch) yesterday on some stuff... I really like the idea of the heater in the link below, think i will try it out

    mike

On 7/30/21 2:54 PM, Darrell Walker wrote:

For #1, perhaps you are thinking of a inductive heater?


No experience, just found that with Google.  Sort of sounds like #2, but it doesn’t burn it out, just gets it really hot.

-Darrell

On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:37 PM, John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:


Gang,

Was just talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and
working on rusted items.  I was telling him about 2 tools I've seen, but I
can't remember what they are called.  So I thought someone here would
maybe know what I'm talking about.

1. Is a tool that I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, and it
uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item loose.

2. Is neat tool that will let you actually burn a broken bolt out of say an engine block.

Anyone know what either or both of these are called?  I want to find a
video of them to send to my friend.

John

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

         48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
    75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                      65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    www.team.net/morgan
Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
    e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
    In God We Trust
    Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for
                 oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction




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Blair" ,shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References: <6.2.5.6.1.20210730173146.04a45a78@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool for getting frozen nuts loose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 1. Induction bolt heater: www.amazon.com/Automotive-Flameless-Induction-Hand-held-Thread-Lock/dp/B089D8GSD9/ref=sr_1_4_sspa 2. EDM Machine: https://www.amazon.com/SFX-Removal-Portable-Disintegrator-Extractor/dp/B07R6QZR69 Amazon links are just examples. With the information there I'm sure you can find some videos. -Steve T. At 05:37 PM 7/30/2021, John T. Blair wrote: >Gang, > >Was just talking to a friend on the phone about all kind of things and >working on rusted items. I was telling him about 2 tools I've seen, but I >can't remember what they are called. So I thought someone here would >maybe know what I'm talking about. > >1. Is a tool that I've seen you put over a nuts, like a manifold nut, and it >uses some sort of magnetic / rf energy to break the item loose. > >2. Is neat tool that will let you actually burn a broken bolt out of >say an engine block. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 30 21:41:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37562A0EC0 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta014.useast.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [34.195.253.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6CA1156 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.148]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 9TLVmAgKF67fK9fqomrInv; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 03:39:50 +0000 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.210]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id 9fqmmuL9HbaBo9fqnmgNT3; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 03:39:49 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:117 a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=GGwxkeRKJ0dr3Umyi5gA:9 a=EnH5BhzBpEaBSfSy:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:39:52 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" Fy0Dce1ebKUGLC0ygQc7NyygG2qgf3bkxKZyvMW4k8PPP5VTL7Kebsz2EqQOpJOqgJW5bdYvCBjYQ3vQxJDpPMIk++eeqmkSuX4= Subject: [Shop-talk] power hatch opener/closers Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4431804420008763107== boundary="=====================_11458242==.ALT" --=====================_11458242==.ALT Gang, You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you. Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work? A neighbor said she went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of her SUV NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it. But the person grabbed the hatch and pulled it down. Ever since it has been intermittant. I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn't find anything. I was thinking there were linear actuactors. But if that were the case I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually. I though a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a motor with a nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more. If that's the case, then you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide on the rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down. So what's in those tubes? From what I can tell, one is an assist strut (I'm assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_11458242==.ALT
Gang,

You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you.

Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work?  A neighbor said she
went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of her SUV
NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it.  But the person grabbed the hatch and pulled
it down.  Ever since it has been intermittant.

I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn't find
anything.  I was thinking there were linear actuactors.  But if that were the case
I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually.  I though
a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a motor with a
nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more.  If that's the case, then
you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide on the
rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down.

So what's in those tubes?  From what I can tell, one is an assist strut (I'm
assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit.

John



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John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 


--=====================_11458242==.ALT-- --===============4431804420008763107== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4431804420008763107==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 30 22:51:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35FBA1159 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st43p00im-zteg10062001.me.com (unknown [17.58.63.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B908A1106 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:50:53 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1627707053; bh=Slm5pPeLAbQZqwRvHL+9Fkq7KRoyN/6c0COiRDeLRj4=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=qouxeg5+ByDJSMCbK/bmi9ywqIcYJJI+OyZOTfq1OU9DSyEi2nIisuCFFPbGRMij8 gTP4/xTsLqP2EfAATn/aB1DqffTZm4ft3n6KogFoQkDxnwXomsfrMZPQOxj3z7bljl ix4vBbD6itE2GwINUsEToisP361QxIw8eQmgTNNBP+Nsuh8scMkjjtFwmWmoApsQMt gnXwyx7tIPnpQ/sTQcfHp79t9YtYPmI78bI75p0o/en2aV6VZBFw0TpyadZ4ZMcUOK SzSgqT+fisjZB3QNmj+EKZz/lsZdwtOy0hKNNEfJklbQxPlKBwVx8w5iy+Jj10xokq FMbbY9wPwS6LQ== Received: from [192.168.88.248] (unknown [199.38.189.252]) by st43p00im-zteg10062001.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 929D86C0478; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 04:50:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:50:50 -0500 References: <6.2.5.6.1.20210730233319.04cf5990@cox.net> To: "John T. Blair" definitions=2021-07-30_11:2021-07-30, 2021-07-30 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2009150000 definitions=main-2107310023 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] power hatch opener/closers Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4047659091734094389== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-8BDDDFE7-E91B-4407-AAE1-BEAF4226DB65 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All actuators I=E2=80=99ve seen have been screw & nut but I suppose there co= uld be some kind of override to allow it to be opened or closed manually in a= n emergency. I=E2=80=99ll have to look into that one.=20 You say it=E2=80=99s internet. In what way? Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:42 PM, John T. Blair wrote: =EF=BB=BF=20 Gang, You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you. Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work? A neighbor said sh= e went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of her S= UV NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it. But the person grabbed the hatch and p= ulled it down. Ever since it has been intermittant. I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn't fin= d=20 anything. I was thinking there were linear actuactors. But if that were th= e case I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually. I tho= ugh a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a moto= r with a nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more. If that's the case, t= hen you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide o= n the=20 rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down. So what's in those tubes? =46rom what I can tell, one is an assist strut (I= 'm=20 assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit. John =09 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.=20 www.avast.com John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! =46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for=20 oneself; freedom from control or restriction=20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-8BDDDFE7-E91B-4407-AAE1-BEAF4226DB65 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All actuators I=E2=80=99ve seen have been s= crew & nut but I suppose there could be some kind of override to allow i= t to be opened or closed manually in an emergency. I=E2=80=99ll have to look= into that one. 

You say it=E2=80=99s internet. In w= hat way?

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

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On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:42 PM, John T. Blair <jb= lair1948@cox.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Gang,

You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you.

Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work?  A neighbor said she
went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of her SUV
NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it.  But the person grabbed the hatch and pulled
it down.  Ever since it has been intermittant.

I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn't find
anything.  I was thinking there were linear actuactors.  But if that were the case
I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually.  I though
a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a motor with a
nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more.  If that's the case, then
you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide on the
rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down.

So what's in those tubes?  =46rom what I can tell, one is an assist strut (I'm
assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit.

John



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John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va            &n= bsp;     Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
            &nbs= p;          65 Rambler Classic
Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org=

If you can read this            = - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

=46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
            &nbs= p;     oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 


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Blair" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] power hatch opener/closers Cc: ShopTalk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8125393576496141059== --000000000000f1324005c864f1ab My spouse and I discussed it, since I have a car with one of those closers, too. We came up with a small list of possible causes: 1. Messed up screw threads that cause it to "miss" and not close well 2. Could it be a bent latch? 3. Is the switch/actuator working properly? 4. Maybe the sensor to tell when it's shut completely is misaligned, or damaged, and thinks it's shut when it isn't? When you find the problem, I'd be interested to hear what it was. Shannah 2018 Buick Envision "The Moose" On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 8:41 PM John T. Blair wrote: > > Gang, > > You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you. > > Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work? A neighbor said > she > went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of > her SUV > NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it. But the person grabbed the hatch > and pulled > it down. Ever since it has been intermittant. > > I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn't > find > anything. I was thinking there were linear actuactors. But if that were > the case > I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually. I > though > a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a > motor with a > nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more. If that's the case, > then > you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide > on the > rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down. > > So what's in those tubes? From what I can tell, one is an assist strut > (I'm > assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_5298863878289192855_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: www.team.net/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org > > If you can read this - Thank a teacher! > If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! > > From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: > e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." > In God We Trust > Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for > oneself; freedom from control or restriction > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com > > --000000000000f1324005c864f1ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My spouse and I discussed it, since I have a car with=
one of those closers, too.=C2=A0 We came up with a small
list of possible causes:
1. Messed up screw threads that cause= it to "miss" and not
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 close well
2. Could it be a bent latch?
3. Is= the switch/actuator working properly?
4. Maybe the sensor to tel= l when it's shut completely is
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= misaligned, or damaged, and thinks it's shut when
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 it isn't?
When you find the problem, I&= #39;d be interested to hear
what it was.

Shannah
2018 Buick Envision "The Moose"

On Fr= i, Jul 30, 2021 at 8:41 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

Gang,

You all were so great at my last question, I've got another one for you.

Anyone know how these power hatch opener & closers work?=C2=A0 A neighbor said she
went to pick something up and told the person putting it in the back of her SUV
NOT to close the hatch, she'd get it.=C2=A0 But the person grabbed the hatch and pulled
it down.=C2=A0 Ever since it has been intermittant.

I went looking for any info I could find on how they work and I couldn'= t find
anything.=C2=A0 I was thinking there were linear actuactors.=C2=A0 But if that were the case
I don't think they should have been able to close the hatch manually.=C2=A0 I though
a linear actuactor was basically a long bolt (all thread) attached to a motor with a
nut that was attached to the item you wanted to more.=C2=A0 If that's t= he case, then
you shouldn't be able to force the hatch closed as the nut would not slide on the
rod and the rod wouldn't turn to let the nut slide down.

So what's in those tubes?=C2=A0 From what I can tell, one is an assist strut (I'm
assuming gas filled) and the other is the actual lifting/closing unit.

John



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