Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED Headlamps

From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 12:05:19 -0500

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One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulated. They=
 will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries would be de=
ad in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is still o=
n. Try it with fresh batteries.  I run into this myself from time to time, a=
nd I know it happens, because it happens gradually.=20

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slante=
d towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing me-=
-and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought.
> I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand unknown--=
but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grease pit looki=
ng for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I had to reso=
rt to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right amount of ligh=
t but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the socket and neede=
d two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine b=
ay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.
>=20
>=20
> On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF Listers,
>>>=20
>>> After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probab=
ly a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a good headband flashlight. I=
 have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out enough light for w=
orking on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them o=
n the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered by a cou=
ple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap flashlights Harbor Freight gi=
ves away (which work a couple times then quit).
>>>=20
>>=20
>> I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=99=
s Day special stuff at the front oy the store.  They have lasted several yea=
rs, but of course, have never been available since.=20
>>=20
>> My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is t=
hat about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with refl=
ection and glare.  You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because i=
t makes it easier t w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I al=
so o strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are m=
ore comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far, so you d=
on=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff.  I also prefer regular batteries, because yo=
u can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charger. (I use NiMh ce=
lls, not throwaway ones).  =20
>>=20
>> This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners=
 want, which is something to watch out for. =20
>=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">One other thing: most head=
sets using regular batteries are unregulated. They will continue to put out l=
ight way past the point the batteries would be dead in another application. I=
t won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is still on. Try it with fresh batteri=
es. &nbsp;I run into this myself from time to time, and I know it happens, b=
ecause it happens gradually.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite">On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57, Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BF
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
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    That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted
    towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's
    chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an
    afterthought.<br>
    I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand
    unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the
    grease pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the
    engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight,
    which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn't
    convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to
    retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue looking into an engine bay; at
    least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:2FCCF138-4CDA-4E0B-8429-0561F92DA0=
[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-=
8">
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell
          <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast=
.net">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
          <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html;
            charset=3DUTF-8">
          Listers,<br>
          <br>
          After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth
          was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a <i>goo=
d</i>
          headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they
          never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a
          dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the
          tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered
          by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap
          flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple
          times then quit).</div>
      </blockquote>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      <div>I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the
        Father=E2=80=99s Day special stuff at the front oy the store. &nbsp;=
They have
        lasted several years, but of course, have never been available
        since.&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home
        improvement stuff is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than
        that, you blind yourself with reflection and glare. &nbsp;You also
        want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because it makes it easier t w=

        on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I also o strongly
        prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are
        more comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far=
, so
        you don=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff. &nbsp;I also prefer regular bat=
teries,
        because you can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charg=
er.
        (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones). &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This is a different use case than what campers or divers or
        trail runners want, which is something to watch out for. &nbsp;</div=
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:35:14 -0400

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Sorry, I can't help but be reminded of the Hazard Fraught 'Moron Lamp'...

https://imgur.com/gallery/JcG3B

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:06 PM David Scheidt <[email-masked]> wrote:

> One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulated.
> They will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries woul=
d
> be dead in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it is=
 still on.
> Try it with fresh batteries.  I run into this myself from time to time, a=
nd
> I know it happens, because it happens gradually.
>
> =EF=BB=BF That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slant=
ed
> towards running in the dark--I don't do that, unless someone's chasing
> me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an afterthought.
> unknown--but there just wasn't enough illumination when I was in the grea=
se
> pit looking for a socket and extension I'd dropped into the engine bay. I
> had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight, which was the right
> amount of light but, obviously, wasn't convenient to use when I found the
> socket and needed two hands to retrieve it. Glare isn't a huge issue
> looking into an engine bay; at least, on my mostly stock cars without
> chrome everything.
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF Listers,
>
> After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth was probabl=
y
> a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a *good* headband
> flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they never seem to put out
> enough light for working on cars in a dark shop or in the grease pit. I s=
ee
> people using them on the tube, and they seem to work, but the two I
> have--both powered by a couple AAAs--aren't even as powerful as the cheap
> flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple times then qui=
t).
>
>
>
> I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the Father=E2=80=
=99s Day
> special stuff at the front oy the store.  They have lasted several years,
> but of course, have never been available since.
>
> My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home improvement stuff is
> that about 150 lumens is enough, more than that, you blind yourself with
> reflection and glare.  You also want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, be=
cause
> it makes it easier t w on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. =
I also o
> strongly prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are mo=
re
> comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as far, so you d=
on=E2=80=99t hit
> them on stuff.  I also prefer regular batteries, because you can carry
> spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special charger. (I use NiMh cells, not =
throwaway
> ones).
>
> This is a different use case than what campers or divers or trail runners
> want, which is something to watch out for.
>
>
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Eric Russell
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, I can&#39;t help but be reminded of the Hazard Frau=
ght &#39;Moron Lamp&#39;...=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://img=
ur.com/gallery/JcG3B">https://imgur.com/gallery/JcG3B</a>=C2=A0<br></div><d=
iv><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:06 PM David Scheidt &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">One other thing: most headsets using regular batteries are unregulate=
d. They will continue to put out light way past the point the batteries wou=
ld be dead in another application. It won=E2=80=99t be much light, but it i=
s still on. Try it with fresh batteries.=C2=A0 I run into this myself from =
time to time, and I know it happens, because it happens gradually.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:57=
, Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
 =20
   =20
 =20
 =20
    That is a good point(s). A lot of the descriptions seemed slanted
    towards running in the dark--I don&#39;t do that, unless someone&#39;s
    chasing me--and doing realistic things in a shop is kind of an
    afterthought.<br>
    I tried using what appears to be a decent-quality headset--brand
    unknown--but there just wasn&#39;t enough illumination when I was in th=
e
    grease pit looking for a socket and extension I&#39;d dropped into the
    engine bay. I had to resort to using a small (2AA) LED flashlight,
    which was the right amount of light but, obviously, wasn&#39;t
    convenient to use when I found the socket and needed two hands to
    retrieve it. Glare isn&#39;t a huge issue looking into an engine bay; a=
t
    least, on my mostly stock cars without chrome everything.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 3/16/2021 9:19 AM, David Scheidt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 15, 2021, at 23:30, Bob Spidell
          <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;bsp=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
         =20
          Listers,<br>
          <br>
          After realizing that holding a small flashlight with my teeth
          was probably a bad idea (and painful), I decided I needed a <i>go=
od</i>
          headband flashlight. I have a couple cheap ones, but they
          never seem to put out enough light for working on cars in a
          dark shop or in the grease pit. I see people using them on the
          tube, and they seem to work, but the two I have--both powered
          by a couple AAAs--aren&#39;t even as powerful as the cheap
          flashlights Harbor Freight gives away (which work a couple
          times then quit).</div>
      </blockquote>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      <div>I have a couple cheap ones I bought at Home Depot, from the
        Father=E2=80=99s Day special stuff at the front oy the store.=C2=A0=
 They have
        lasted several years, but of course, have never been available
        since.=C2=A0</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>My opinion about headlamps in the shop and for home
        improvement stuff is that about 150 lumens is enough, more than
        that, you blind yourself with reflection and glare.=C2=A0 You also
        want a pretty floody b=C3=A9am spread, because it makes it easier t=
 w
        on stuff you can=E2=80=99t quite see straight on. I also o strongly
        prefer lights that split the battery from the light. They are
        more comfortable, stay on better, and don=E2=80=99t stick out as fa=
r, so
        you don=E2=80=99t hit them on stuff.=C2=A0 I also prefer regular ba=
tteries,
        because you can carry spares, and don=E2=80=99t need a special char=
ger.
        (I use NiMh cells, not throwaway ones). =C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This is a different use case than what campers or divers or
        trail runners want, which is something to watch out for. =C2=A0</di=
v>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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