Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Replacement florescent bulbs F42T6

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:08:40 -0600

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Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually don=E2=80=
=99t need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a fluorescent ba=
llast & some not. The ones I use take 120-270v directly to the lamp.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF I didn't see the 'minimum' at first, but then saw it and 'only 7 r=
emaining' and I thought: "Well, maybe they want to clear their shelves and s=
ell the 7."

I found this on (guess where):

https://www.amazon.com/NYLL-Directly-Fluorescent-Rewiring-Modification/dp/B0=
82BG8SXP/ref=3Dpd_lpo_60_t_0/147-5194505-6928347?_encoding=3DUTF8&pd_rd_i=3D=
B082BG8SXP&pd_rd_r=3D99eeff4d-9d16-4ffb-8e88-d443aca75245&pd_rd_w=3D9HnPR&pd=
_rd_wg=3DndybO&pf_rd_p=3D16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&pf_rd_r=3D3YRV=
BS6ETR08SXW6VRN5&psc=3D1&refRID=3D3YRVBS6ETR08SXW6VRN5

I'm still confused on 'ballast required.' Anyone know for sure if LEDs take a=
 special ballast?

On 2/6/2021 3:56 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Bob comes in with...=20
>=20
> >$2.67 work for you?=20
> >https://www.grainger.com/product/GE-LIGHTING-Fluorescent-Linear-Lamp-3V63=
3
> >They'll probably charge $1,000 shipping ;)=20
>=20
> WOW, this would be perfect, but I have to buy 24!  UGGH.  (I didn't even l=
ook at the shipping yet.)=20
>=20
> I tried to buy the 24.  I figured I'd  use one and sell the rest for $100 a=
 piece, I'd still be the cheapest price on amazon!  8>)  (actually, I was go=
ing to sell them for about $20 or so a piece)=20
> But Granger is 'out of stock!'=20
>=20
> Why do companies list items they can't sell?=20
>=20
> Thanks for finding that Bob however!=20
>=20
>=20
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b=
eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E=
merson=20
> -Who is John Galt?=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a spec=
ial ballast, they usually don=E2=80=99t need any ballast, but that some of t=
hem will work with a fluorescent ballast &amp; some not. The ones I use take=
 120-270v directly to the lamp.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pa=
t<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanit=
y</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:13 AM=
, Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF
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    I didn't see the 'minimum' at first, but then saw it and 'only 7
    remaining' and I thought: "Well, maybe they want to clear their
    shelves and sell the 7."<br>
    <br>
    I found this on (guess where):<br>
    <br>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/NYLL-Direc=
tly-Fluorescent-Rewiring-Modification/dp/B082BG8SXP/ref=3Dpd_lpo_60_t_0/147-=
5194505-6928347?_encoding=3DUTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=3DB082BG8SXP&amp;pd_rd_r=3D99ee=
ff4d-9d16-4ffb-8e88-d443aca75245&amp;pd_rd_w=3D9HnPR&amp;pd_rd_wg=3DndybO&am=
p;pf_rd_p=3D16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&amp;pf_rd_r=3D3YRVBS6ETR08S=
XW6VRN5&amp;psc=3D1&amp;refRID=3D3YRVBS6ETR08SXW6VRN5">https://www.amazon.co=
m/NYLL-Directly-Fluorescent-Rewiring-Modification/dp/B082BG8SXP/ref=3Dpd_lpo=
_60_t_0/147-5194505-6928347?_encoding=3DUTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=3DB082BG8SXP&amp;pd=
_rd_r=3D99eeff4d-9d16-4ffb-8e88-d443aca75245&amp;pd_rd_w=3D9HnPR&amp;pd_rd_w=
g=3DndybO&amp;pf_rd_p=3D16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&amp;pf_rd_r=3D3=
YRVBS6ETR08SXW6VRN5&amp;psc=3D1&amp;refRID=3D3YRVBS6ETR08SXW6VRN5</a><br>
    <br>
    I'm still confused on 'ballast required.' Anyone know for sure if
    LEDs take a special ballast?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2021 3:56 AM, <a class=3D"moz-txt-=
link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:OF45E427A8.4686B481-ON85258674.004=
[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html;
        charset=3Dwindows-1252">
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Bob comes in with...</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"3">&gt;$2.67 work for you? <br>
      </font><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue"><u>&gt;</u></font><a href=3D"ht=
tps://www.grainger.com/product/GE-LIGHTING-Fluorescent-Linear-Lamp-3V633" mo=
z-do-not-send=3D"true"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue"><u>https://www.graing=
er.com/product/GE-LIGHTING-Fluorescent-Linear-Lamp-3V633</u></font></a><font=
 size=3D"3"><br>
        &gt;They'll probably charge $1,000 shipping ;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">WOW, this would be perfect, but I=

        have
        to buy 24! &nbsp;UGGH. &nbsp;(I didn't even look at the shipping yet=
.)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I tried to buy the 24. &nbsp;I fi=
gured
        I'd &nbsp;use one and sell the rest for $100 a piece, I'd still be
        the
        cheapest price on amazon! &nbsp;8&gt;) &nbsp;(actually, I was going t=
o
        sell them for about $20 or so a piece)</font>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But Granger is 'out of stock!'</f=
ont>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Why do companies list items they
        can't
        sell?</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks for finding that Bob
        however!</font>
      <br>
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
        <br>
        "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
        rational
        being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
        Ralph
        Waldo Emerson <br>
        -Who is John Galt?</font>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:16:14 -0800

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Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but now I 
remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to replace them I 
got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12 IIRC).

LEDs must need /something/, at least according to the ones I'm 
familiar--they're used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5 or 
12V).

On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> Bob, it’s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually don’t 
> need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a fluorescent 
> ballast & some not. The ones I use take 120-270v directly to the lamp.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne

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    Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but
    now I remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to
    replace them I got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12
    IIRC).<br>
    <br>
    LEDs must need <i>something</i>, at least according to the ones I'm
    familiar--they're used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5
    or 12V).<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      Bob, it’s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually don’t
      need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a
      fluorescent ballast &amp; some not. The ones I use take 120-270v
      directly to the lamp. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Peace,</div>
      <div>Pat<br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Pat Horne 
          <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr"><br>
        </div>
      </div>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:21:10 -0600

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It=E2=80=99s built in. There is a circuit on the end.=20
Take a look @ this information=20

https://www.primelights.com/collections/bulbs/products/t8-led-bulb-22-watt-c=
lear-case-of-30-plt84dw-22wcl
And

https://www.primelights.com/collections/bulbs/products/4-t8-led-bulb-18w-no-=
ballast-bypass-50-000-hours-pl-t8led18-dr

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Feb 6, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but n=
ow I remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to replace them I=
 got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12 IIRC).

LEDs must need something, at least according to the ones I'm familiar--they'=
re used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5 or 12V).

On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually don=E2=
=80=99t need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a fluorescent=
 ballast & some not. The ones I use take 120-270v directly to the lamp.=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">It=E2=80=99s built in. There is a circuit o=
n the end.&nbsp;<div>Take a look @ this information&nbsp;</div><div><br></di=
v><div><a href=3D"https://www.primelights.com/collections/bulbs/products/t8-=
led-bulb-22-watt-clear-case-of-30-plt84dw-22wcl">https://www.primelights.com=
/collections/bulbs/products/t8-led-bulb-22-watt-clear-case-of-30-plt84dw-22w=
cl</a></div><div>And</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.primeli=
ghts.com/collections/bulbs/products/4-t8-led-bulb-18w-no-ballast-bypass-50-0=
00-hours-pl-t8led18-dr">https://www.primelights.com/collections/bulbs/produc=
ts/4-t8-led-bulb-18w-no-ballast-bypass-50-000-hours-pl-t8led18-dr</a><br><br=
>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We s=
upport Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>O=
n Feb 6, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
 =20
 =20
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br>=

    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:6DF6799D-1C1F-405B-9171-26EDE24111=
[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-=
8">
      Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually d=
on=E2=80=99t
      need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a
      fluorescent ballast &amp; some not. The ones I use take 120-270v
      directly to the lamp.&nbsp;
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Peace,</div>
      <div>Pat<br>
        <br>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;
          <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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From: Rochlin Robert <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:34:17 -0500

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	I don=E2=80=99t know if this heresy, but I=E2=80=99ve been =
replacing my florescent units with HF 5000 luman LEDs as they go bad.  =
The single tube, $19.95 (on sale), are amazingly bright, nice color =
temperature and relatively well built. I=E2=80=99ve found that a single =
HF unit will replace a 2 bulb florescent unit, and HF sells a two tube =
unit for a few dollars more.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but now =
I remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to replace them =
I got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12 IIRC).
>=20
> LEDs must need something, at least according to the ones I'm =
familiar--they're used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5 or =
12V).
>> Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they usually =
don=E2=80=99t need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a =
fluorescent ballast & some not. The ones I use take 120-270v directly to =
the lamp.=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I don=E2=80=
=99t know if this heresy, but I=E2=80=99ve been replacing my florescent =
units with HF 5000 luman LEDs as they go bad. &nbsp;The single tube, =
$19.95 (on sale), are amazingly bright, nice color temperature and =
relatively well built. I=E2=80=99ve found that a single HF unit will =
replace a 2 bulb florescent unit, and HF sells a two tube unit for a few =
dollars more.<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
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  <div class=3D"">
    Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but
    now I remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to
    replace them I got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12
    IIRC).<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    LEDs must need <i class=3D"">something</i>, at least according to =
the ones I'm
    familiar--they're used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5
    or 12V).<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne =
wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
      <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DUTF-8" class=3D"">
      Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they =
usually don=E2=80=99t
      need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a
      fluorescent ballast &amp; some not. The ones I use take 120-270v
      directly to the lamp.&nbsp;
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Peace,</div>
      <div class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D"">
        <br class=3D"">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Pat Horne&nbsp;
          <div class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity</div>
          <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
          </div>
        </div>
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:11:46 -0500

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	The whole fixture - should have been clearer...

> On Feb 6, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> The tubes, Bob, or the whole fixture?
>=20
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 2:00 PM Rochlin Robert <[email-masked] =
> 	Best,
> 	Bob
>=20
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked] =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>The whole =
fixture - should have been clearer...<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
6, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Scott Hall &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">The tubes, Bob, or the whole fixture?</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb =
6, 2021, 2:00 PM Rochlin Robert &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D"">	</span>I =
don=E2=80=99t know if this heresy, but I=E2=80=99ve been replacing my =
florescent units with HF 5000 luman LEDs as they go bad.&nbsp; The =
single tube, $19.95 (on sale), are amazingly bright, nice color =
temperature and relatively well built. I=E2=80=99ve found that a single =
HF unit will replace a 2 bulb florescent unit, and HF sells a two tube =
unit for a few dollars more.<div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D"">	</span>Best,</div><div =
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</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Bob =
Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
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  <div class=3D"">
    Makes sense. It's been a couple years, and my memory's fuzzy, but
    now I remember I had a couple bad ballasts and, since I had to
    replace them I got LED-compatible ones and installed LED tubes (T12
    IIRC).<br class=3D"">
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    LEDs must need <i class=3D"">something</i>, at least according to =
the ones I'm
    familiar--they're used in rectifiers--need DC current (probable at 5
    or 12V).<br class=3D"">
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    <br class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">On 2/6/2021 9:08 AM, Pat Horne wrote:<br class=3D"">
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      Bob, it=E2=80=99s not that LEDs need a special ballast, they =
usually don=E2=80=99t
      need any ballast, but that some of them will work with a
      fluorescent ballast &amp; some not. The ones I use take 120-270v
      directly to the lamp.&nbsp;
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      <div class=3D"">Peace,</div>
      <div class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D"">
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