Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

From: Benjamin Zwissler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:04:26 -0500

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I bought the DeWalt drill and impact driver (20V I think) a couple of years
ago and couldn't be happier with them.  The crew that built my new pole
building last summer also used them and said they were the best for the
money.

Ben

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:59 AM Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those
> emails.....
>
> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are
> both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can
> fit in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am
> willing to at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out
> there right now.
>
> So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier
> than most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am
> just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the
> start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
>
> Thanks all
> tim
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<div dir=3D"auto">I bought the DeWalt drill and impact driver (20V I think)=
 a couple of years ago and couldn&#39;t be happier with them.=C2=A0 The cre=
w that built my new pole building last summer also used them and said they =
were the best for the money.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">B=
en</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:59 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_dat=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hey all,=C2=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I know this has been discussed=C2=A0ad nauseam=C2=A0but I didn&#39;t save a=
ny of those emails.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both=
 burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% &quot;anything you can f=
it in the bag&quot; sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am=
 willing to at least match that 160 or more
 if necessary to get the best out there right now.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier tha=
n most as I am not contractor and this won&#39;t get used every day. I am j=
ust getting tired of dragging cords. I&#39;d like whatever I get to be the =
start of going all cordless (skill saw,
 Sawzall, etc).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks=C2=A0all</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
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I=E2=80=99ve become a big fan of Milwaukee 18V.=20

I have a corded Milwaukee circular saw that I picked up at an estate sale ye=
ars ago for maybe 10 bucks, which I simply can=E2=80=99t kill, but had start=
ed down the cordless road with a DeWalt 12V drill.=20

When that reached end of life - probably 10-12 years ago - my wife bought me=
 a Milwaukee.=20

Since then, I have added a circular saw and an oscillating saw. All use comm=
on batteries, so didn=E2=80=99t even bother getting batteries or charger wit=
h the oscillating saw (as I already have 4 batteries and 2 chargers).=20

For what I do, the batteries charge faster than I can run them down (1 on th=
e tool, 1 in the charger), so I can work a full day without that being an is=
sue.=20

My $0.02.=20

Tom Coradeschi
[email-masked]

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hey all,=20
>=20
> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those e=
mails.....
>=20
> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are bot=
h burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in=
 the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to=
 at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there righ=
t now.=20
>=20
> So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier th=
an most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just g=
etting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of g=
oing all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve become a big fan of Milwaukee 1=
8V.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I have a corded Milwaukee circular saw that I p=
icked up at an estate sale years ago for maybe 10 bucks, which I simply can=E2=
=80=99t kill, but had started down the cordless road with a DeWalt 12V drill=
.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>When that reached end of life - probably 10=
-12 years ago - my wife bought me a Milwaukee.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Since then, I have added a circular saw and an oscillating saw. All use co=
mmon batteries, so didn=E2=80=99t even bother getting batteries or charger w=
ith the oscillating saw (as I already have 4 batteries and 2 chargers).&nbsp=
;</div><div><br></div><div>For what I do, the batteries charge faster than I=
 can run them down (1 on the tool, 1 in the charger), so I can work a full d=
ay without that being an issue.&nbsp;<br><br>My $0.02.&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi<div>[email-masked]</div></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Tim . &lt;t=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1=
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save any of=
 those emails.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both b=
urning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in th=
e bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at=
 least match that 160 or more
 if necessary to get the best out there right now.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier than=
 most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just ge=
tting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of go=
ing all cordless (skill saw,
 Sawzall, etc).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Thanks&nbsp;all</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
tim</div>

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I always love my dewalts.  They are top performers (or near top) most of 
the time.  Great price.  Be careful as some of the big boxes sell their 
lower tier items (brush vs brushless motors, etc.)

One place where I am VERY disappointed with Dewalt is their battery 
chainsaw.  It works OK, but the Milwaukee is so far superior.  I may buy 
one and have two battery standards.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?

From:   "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
To:     "Shop  Talk" <[email-masked]>
Date:   01/10/2021 10:59
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

Hey all, 

I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are 
both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can 
fit in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am 
willing to at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best 
out there right now. 

Thanks all
tim_______________________________________________

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http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I always love my dewalts. &nbsp;They are
top performers (or near top) most of the time. &nbsp;Great price. &nbsp;Be
careful as some of the big boxes sell their lower tier items (brush vs
brushless motors, etc.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">One place where I am VERY disappointed
with Dewalt is their battery chainsaw. &nbsp;It works OK, but the Milwaukee
is so far superior. &nbsp;I may buy one and have two battery standards.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Tim .&quot; &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
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Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
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<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">Hey all, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">I know this has been discussed ad nauseam
but I didn't save any of those emails.....</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">I have a $100 menards rebate check and
a $60 rebate visa card that are both burning a hole in my pocket. Also,
I have the 15% &quot;anything you can fit in the bag&quot; sale bag. I
figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at least match that
160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">So, what is the best right now? I am not
worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this
won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd
like whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall,
etc).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">Thanks all</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">tim</font><tt><font size=2>_______________________________________________<br>
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Since you say that you are not a contractor, you won=E2=80=99t be needing th=
e biggest drill/driver you can afford. I think the most bang for the buck fa=
lls @ the 12 volt units. If you need more power for the 10% of your work you=
 can break out the extension cord & your current drill.=20

I now the real debate. Brand. I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt since the early=
 90s. Why? In the beginning they were the best fit for my needs & wallet. I=E2=
=80=99ve upgraded a few times in those years & am still satisfied with them.=
 I did use them for construction work, building many houses for Habitat for H=
umanity as well as 2 for myself. Milwaukee seems to be getting a lot of good=
 press these days but I haven=E2=80=99t used any so I can=E2=80=99t speak to=
 them.=20

Once you start with a brand you can add additional tools as needed by buying=
 bare tools & share the batteries you already have.=20

One additional tool that I should have bought way earlier than I did is a 1/=
4=E2=80=9D impact. I now reach for it more than I do my drill.=20

You mentioned that weight wasn=E2=80=99t a problem. One side of lighter is t=
hat the lighter batteries are usually more powerful than the older battery t=
ypes.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=20

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those ema=
ils.....

I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both b=
urning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in th=
e bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at=
 least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right n=
ow.=20

So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier than=
 most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just ge=
tting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of go=
ing all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).

Thanks all
tim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Since you say that you are not a contractor=
, you won=E2=80=99t be needing the biggest drill/driver you can afford. I th=
ink the most bang for the buck falls @ the 12 volt units. If you need more p=
ower for the 10% of your work you can break out the extension cord &amp; you=
r current drill.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I now the real debate. Brand. I=E2=
=80=99ve been using DeWalt since the early 90s. Why? In the beginning they w=
ere the best fit for my needs &amp; wallet. I=E2=80=99ve upgraded a few time=
s in those years &amp; am still satisfied with them. I did use them for cons=
truction work, building many houses for Habitat for Humanity as well as 2 fo=
r myself. Milwaukee seems to be getting a lot of good press these days but I=
 haven=E2=80=99t used any so I can=E2=80=99t speak to them.&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Once you start with a brand you can add additional tools as n=
eeded by buying bare tools &amp; share the batteries you already have.&nbsp;=
</div><div><br></div><div>One additional tool that I should have bought way e=
arlier than I did is a 1/4=E2=80=9D impact. I now reach for it more than I d=
o my drill.&nbsp;<br><br>You mentioned that weight wasn=E2=80=99t a problem.=
 One side of lighter is that the lighter batteries are usually more powerful=
 than the older battery types.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><d=
iv>Pat</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat=
 for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10, 2021=
, at 9:59 AM, Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
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I like the DeWalt Drill & Impact Driver I got a few years ago. I bought a
second drill to keep in our motorhome. But out of the four batteries I
have, two no longer hold a charge. And new batteries cost as much or more
than buying a drill/driver set. But it seems like the manufacturers change
the battery connections every couple of years - so the new versions no
longer work with the older drills. If you want more than a drill I'd
suggest buying the whole shebang so the batteries are interchangeable.

Eric

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I like the DeWalt Drill &amp; Impact Driver I got a few ye=
ars ago. I bought a second drill to keep in our motorhome. But out of the f=
our batteries I have, two no longer hold a charge. And new batteries cost a=
s much or more than buying=C2=A0a drill/driver set. But it seems like the m=
anufacturers change the battery connections every couple of years - so the =
new versions no longer work with the older drills. If you want more than a =
drill I&#39;d suggest=C2=A0buying the whole=C2=A0shebang so the batteries a=
re interchangeable.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Eric=C2=A0</div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10=
, 2021 at 10:58 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
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Oh, one other thing.=20

I=E2=80=99ve been buying a fair number of reconditioned tookk on s. They are=
 usually something that someone bought, used, then returned. Check out CPO.c=
om

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=20

Thanks all
tim

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Oh, one other thing.&nbsp;<div><br></div><d=
iv>I=E2=80=99ve been buying a fair number of reconditioned tookk on s. They a=
re usually something that someone bought, used, then returned. Check out CPO=
.com</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">P=
at Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stu=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
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I use Bosch cordless tools and I am very happy with them, but my friend has
Milwaukee and they have the best selection of tools right now. They have a
cordless impact gun that makes 1400 ft.-lbs of torque!!! I have two full
sets and a bunch of batteries for the Bosch stuff but one of these days I'm
going to have to bite the bullet and make the switch to red.

Regards,

-Paul

> start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).

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hem, but my friend has Milwaukee and they have the best selection of tools =
right now. They have a cordless impact gun that makes 1400 ft.-lbs of torqu=
e!!! I have two full sets and a bunch of batteries for the Bosch stuff but =
one of these days I&#39;m going to have to bite the bullet and make the swi=
tch to red.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>-Pau=
l</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:59 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_s=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
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tim</div></div>
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Oops, it=E2=80=99s cpooutlets.com

Pat Horne=20

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=20

Thanks all
tim

[email-masked]

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Oops, it=E2=80=99s cpooutlets.com<div><br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div=
><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Tim .=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF

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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:24:00 +0000

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Thanks guys.

Guess I am clueless on this: what is better brushless or brush motors?

As for cpooutlets.com, as I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to sta=
rt the purchase.

tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

Hey all,

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those em=
ails.....

I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both=
 burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in=
 the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing t=
o at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there ri=
ght now.

So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier tha=
n most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just =
getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of=
 going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).

Thanks all
tim

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Thanks&nbsp;guys.</div>
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background:transparent">Gues=
s I am clueless on this: what is better brushless or brush motors?</p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quo=
t;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, =
BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:15px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">As fo=
r
 cpooutlets.com, as I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to start the=
 purchase.&nbsp;</span><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quo=
t;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, =
BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:15px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important"><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quo=
t;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, =
BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:15px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">tim</=
span></div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co=
lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outl=
ook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save any o=
f those emails.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both=
 burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% &quot;anything you can f=
it in the bag&quot; sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am=
 willing to at least match that 160 or more
 if necessary to get the best out there right now.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier tha=
n most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just =
getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of=
 going all cordless (skill saw,
 Sawzall, etc).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks&nbsp;all</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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Eric,

All my DeWalts are old enough to have brushes, I=E2=80=99ve  not been disapp=
ointed.
Drill(3), impact (2), reciprocating saw, circular saw, all 18 Volt, converte=
d to 20 Volt battery. Brushless are probably much better but for home use it=
 may not be a factor.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:19 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI always love my dewalts.  They are top performers (or near top) mo=
st of the time.  Great price.  Be careful as some of the big boxes sell thei=
r lower tier items (brush vs brushless motors, etc.)=20

One place where I am VERY disappointed with Dewalt is their battery chainsaw=
.  It works OK, but the Milwaukee is so far superior.  I may buy one and hav=
e two battery standards.=20

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be=
ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E=
merson=20
-Who is John Galt?=20

From:        "Tim ." <[email-masked]>=20
To:        "Shop  Talk" <[email-masked]>=20
Date:        01/10/2021 10:59=20
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver=20
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>=20

Hey all,=20

ils.....=20

So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier than=
 most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just ge=
tting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of go=
ing all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).=20

Thanks all=20

[email-masked]

ageek.com

[email-masked]

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Eric,<div><br></div><div>All my DeWalts are=
 old enough to have brushes, I=E2=80=99ve &nbsp;not been disappointed.</div>=
<div>Drill(3), impact (2), reciprocating saw, circular saw, all 18 Volt, con=
verted to 20 Volt battery. Brushless are probably much better but for home u=
se it may not be a factor.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>P=
at</div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support H=
abitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10=
, 2021, at 10:19 AM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I always love my dewalts. &nbs=
p;They are
top performers (or near top) most of the time. &nbsp;Great price. &nbsp;Be
careful as some of the big boxes sell their lower tier items (brush vs
brushless motors, etc.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One place where I am VERY disappoin=
ted
with Dewalt is their battery chainsaw. &nbsp;It works OK, but the Milwaukee
is so far superior. &nbsp;I may buy one and have two battery standards.</fon=
t>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">"Tim ." &lt;tims_datsun_st=
[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">"Shop &nbsp;Talk"
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">01/10/2021 10:59</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &=
nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &=
nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">"Shop-talk"
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br>
<hr noshade=3D"">
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Hey all, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">I know this has been discussed ad naus=
eam
but I didn't save any of those emails.....</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">I have a $100 menards rebate check and=

a $60 rebate visa card that are both burning a hole in my pocket. Also,
I have the 15% "anything you can fit in the bag" sale bag. I
figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at least match that
160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">So, what is the best right now? I am n=
ot
worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this
won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd
like whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzal=
l,
etc).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Thanks all</font>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">tim</font><tt><font size=3D"2">_______=
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I mentioned CPO for future tools & accessories.=20

Pat Horne=20

On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Thanks guys.

As for cpooutlets.com, as I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to star=
t the purchase.=20

tim

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims_=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver
=20
Hey all,=20

Thanks all
tim

[email-masked]

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I mentioned CPO for future tools &amp; acce=
ssories.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habita=
t for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10, 202=
1, at 10:40 AM, Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Thanks&nbsp;guys.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background:transparent">Guess=
 I am clueless on this: what is better brushless or brush motors?</p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot=
;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, Bl=
inkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-size:1=
5px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">As for
 cpooutlets.com, as I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to start the p=
urchase.&nbsp;</span><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot=
;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, Bl=
inkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-size:1=
5px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important"><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32, 31, 30);font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot=
;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, Bl=
inkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif;font-size:1=
5px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">tim</span=
<div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-talk=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook=
.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save any of=
 those emails.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both b=
urning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in th=
e bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at=
 least match that 160 or more
 if necessary to get the best out there right now.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier than=
 most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just ge=
tting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of go=
ing all cordless (skill saw,
 Sawzall, etc).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks&nbsp;all</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
</div>
</div>

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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:03:59 -0600

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Which Dewalt chainsaw do you have?  I got the 60v version and it is
definitely better than any other small saw I have ever used, gas or
electric.  It cuts quicker and easier tham my Stihl MS120.  It will never
replace the MS250 for big jobs, but for limbing and bucking I like it a
lot.

I also have the 20v pole saw, and it is a little limited in terms of power,
it still gets the job done.  One thing I have found is that the pole saw is
really sensitive to being dull.  The first dozen or so cuts after I sharpen
the chain, it cuts great, after that it goes downhill pretty quick.  Part
of that is the length of the chain, a shorter chain is always going to dull
quicker than a longer one, because each tooth comes around more often.
Part of it is the fine pitch of the chain.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:19 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

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> Hey all,
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Which Dewalt chainsaw do you=C2=A0have?=
=C2=A0 I got the 60v version and it is definitely better than any other sma=
ll saw I have ever used, gas or electric.=C2=A0 It cuts quicker and easier =
tham my Stihl MS120.=C2=A0 It will never replace the MS250 for big jobs, bu=
t for limbing and bucking I like it a lot.=C2=A0 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I also have the 20v pole saw, and it is a littl=
e limited in terms of power, it still gets the job done.=C2=A0 One thing I =
have found is that the pole saw is really sensitive to being dull.=C2=A0 Th=
e first dozen or so cuts after I sharpen the chain, it cuts great, after th=
at it goes downhill pretty quick.=C2=A0 Part of that is the length of the c=
hain, a shorter chain is always going to dull quicker than a longer one, be=
cause each tooth comes around more often.=C2=A0 Part of it is the fine pitc=
h of the chain.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:19 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I a=
lways love my dewalts.=C2=A0 They are
top performers (or near top) most of the time.=C2=A0 Great price.=C2=A0 Be
careful as some of the big boxes sell their lower tier items (brush vs
brushless motors, etc.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One place where I am VERY disappoi=
nted
with Dewalt is their battery chainsaw.=C2=A0 It works OK, but the Milwaukee
is so far superior.=C2=A0 I may buy one and have two battery standards.</fo=
nt>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Tim .&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tims_datsun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Shop =C2=A0Talk&quo=
t;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">01/10/2021 10:59</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">Subject: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif" color=3D"#5f5f5f">Sent by: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&qu=
ot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Hey all, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">I know this has been discussed ad nau=
seam
but I didn&#39;t save any of those emails.....</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">I have a $100 menards rebate check an=
d
a $60 rebate visa card that are both burning a hole in my pocket. Also,
I have the 15% &quot;anything you can fit in the bag&quot; sale bag. I
figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at least match that
160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">So, what is the best right now? I am =
not
worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this
won&#39;t get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I&=
#39;d
like whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawza=
ll,
etc).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Thanks all</font>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">tim</font><tt><font size=3D"2">______=
_________________________________________<br>
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You want the brushless motors.  They are much more efficient, so you get
more power and longer battery life for a given sized and weight of tool.  I
have both a brushed and brushless 1/4 Dewalt impact.  The brushed motor
gets the job done, but the brushless is way better.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:40 AM Tim . <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> As for cpooutlets.com, as I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to
> start the purchase.
>
> tim
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <
> [email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver
>
> Hey all,
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">You want the brushless motors.=C2=A0 They are much more ef=
ficient, so you get more power and longer battery life for a given sized an=
d weight of tool.=C2=A0 I have both a brushed and brushless 1/4 Dewalt impa=
ct.=C2=A0 The brushed motor gets the job done, but the brushless is way bet=
ter.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:40 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_d=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks=C2=A0guys.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background:transparent none =
repeat scroll 0% 0%">Guess I am clueless on this: what is better brushless =
or brush motors?</p>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32,31,30);font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255);display:inline">As for
 <a href=3D"http://cpooutlets.com" target=3D"_blank">cpooutlets.com</a>, as=
 I said, I have a $100 menards rebate check to start the purchase.=C2=A0</s=
pan><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32,31,30);font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255);display:inline"><br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(32,31,30);font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255);display:inline">tim</span></div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_6854284075543012388appendonsend"></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_6854284075543012388divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font styl=
e=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From=
:</b> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Tim . =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tims=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hey all,=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I know this has been discussed=C2=A0ad nauseam=C2=A0but I didn&#39;t save a=
ny of those emails.....</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both=
 burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% &quot;anything you can f=
it in the bag&quot; sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am=
 willing to at least match that 160 or more
 if necessary to get the best out there right now.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier tha=
n most as I am not contractor and this won&#39;t get used every day. I am j=
ust getting tired of dragging cords. I&#39;d like whatever I get to be the =
start of going all cordless (skill saw,
 Sawzall, etc).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thanks=C2=A0all</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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Another DeWalt fan here. I'm sure the Milwaukees are just fine, but I =
bought into the platform. For regular around the house stuff Ryobi is =
surprisingly good, but they may not be at Menard's.=20

As for the 12v vs 18/20v stuff (I've read the 20v is really an 18v with =
extra marketing power), I had a 12v Black & Decker drill a long time =
ago, and liked it so much I replaced the batteries, and then the motor. =
Eventually the housing cracked and I moved to the 20v DeWalt. If I were =
just buying for general household, I'd choose a modern 18v Ryobi over a =
12v.=20

jim

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Tim . <[email-masked]> =
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> Hey all,=20
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> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of =
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> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are =
both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can =
fit in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am =
willing to at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best =
out there right now.=20
>=20
> So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little =
heavier than most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every =
day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get =
to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
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class=3D"">Another DeWalt fan here. I'm sure the Milwaukees are just =
fine, but I bought into the platform. For regular around the house stuff =
Ryobi is surprisingly good, but they may not be at Menard's.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As for the 12v vs 18/20v =
stuff (I've read the 20v is really an 18v with extra marketing power), I =
had a 12v Black &amp; Decker drill a long time ago, and liked it so much =
I replaced the batteries, and then the motor. Eventually the housing =
cracked and I moved to the 20v DeWalt. If I were just buying for general =
household, I'd choose a modern 18v Ryobi over a 12v.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br=
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10, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Tim . &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
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font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Hey all,&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad =
nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save any of those emails.....</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I have a $100 menards rebate check and a =
$60 rebate visa card that are both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I =
have the 15% "anything you can fit in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 =
is a good starting point and am willing to at least match that 160 or =
more if necessary to get the best out there right now.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">So, what is the best right now? I am not =
worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this =
won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd =
like whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, =
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normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:16:05 -0700

On 1/10/21 8:58 AM, Tim . wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of 
> those emails.....
>

I did.  Or I should say Team Net did.  At the bottom of every real time 
list message is a link to list archives.  One is the pipermail archiving 
built into Mailman, the other to a searchable system cobbled together 
from fairly ancient, no longer supported software that is held together 
with rusty baling wire and waterlogged duct tape.  Sometimes the magic 
works, sometimes it doesn't.

mjb, overpaid and underworked Team Net janitor.

[email-masked]

utox.team.net

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 20:34:43 -0500

What about Ryobi?  I got started with them through their outlet store,
and have acquired a good set of tools that I've been using for over
ten years.  Only had one battery fail, and that may have been the
reason it was in the outlet store in  the first place.  They have a
pretty complete line of tools - all except a chainsaw.

At work, I just outfitted a new crew with Milwaukee tools -18V Fuel,
for the most part.  But I spent about 5 times more than I did for the
equivalent Ryobi tools.  They will use them every day, though.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:59 AM Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those emails.....
>
> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now.
>
> So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
>
> Thanks all
> tim
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 02:22:09 +0000

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Hey Mark,

Yea, I know about the archive. I was wanted the most up to date bits I coul=
d get.

cheers

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akis <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:16 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch=
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&gt; Hey all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save =
any of <br>
&gt; those emails.....<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
I did.&nbsp; Or I should say Team Net did.&nbsp; At the bottom of every rea=
l time <br>
list message is a link to list archives.&nbsp; One is the pipermail archivi=
ng <br>
built into Mailman, the other to a searchable system cobbled together <br>
from fairly ancient, no longer supported software that is held together <br=
with rusty baling wire and waterlogged duct tape.&nbsp; Sometimes the magic=
 <br>
works, sometimes it doesn't.<br>
<br>
<br>
mjb, overpaid and underworked Team Net janitor.<br>
<br>
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"I was wanted....." .....

FFS...sorry all

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
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Subject: [Shop-talk] archive ...was Re: Cordless drill/screw driver

Hey Mark,

cheers

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any of <br>
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I did.&nbsp; Or I should say Team Net did.&nbsp; At the bottom of every rea=
l time <br>
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ng <br>
built into Mailman, the other to a searchable system cobbled together <br>
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I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both b=
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I didn't say I was going to spend 320. I said "if necessary".

I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop including 80-gallon=
 compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer, panel beating tools, and a boat l=
oad of hand tools.

I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My experience=
 with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how much I use them.

tim

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From: John T. Blair <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

>I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are bot=
h
>burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in=
 the
>bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at=
 least
>match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now.

......

>I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor a=
nd this
>won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd l=
ike
>whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, =
etc).

Tim,

If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to spend a t=
on of
money on a cordless drill.  You say you have $160 burning a hole in your po=
cket
and are willing to put another $160 to that.  Man that $320!!!!  You can ge=
t a
Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas which you just missed, you=
 can
get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less than $150.  Th=
at's where
I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at something else like a sliding com=
pound
miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.

Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight tools.  And f=
or the
occassional use they work well.  I have a $25 ish oscillating saw, which I'=
ve used
for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the middle of a remodel in a bed=
room.
So I bought another.  Especially if you don't know what you're going to use=
 it for.
I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid for it's self=
.  If I'd
have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools, I'd never had =
really
gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72 and it's getting harder and =
harder
every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend over. :)=
  So why
should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30 years or so, if =
I'm only
going to be around for another 10 years?

Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.  Especially if i=
t not your
bread and butter.

John

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Thanks all
tim

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I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop including 80-gallon=
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oad of hand tools.&nbsp;</div>
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I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My experience=
 with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how much I use them.&nbsp;</=
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">At 10:58 AM 1/10/2021, Tim wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are =
both <br>
&gt;burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% &quot;anything you ca=
n fit in the <br>
&gt;bag&quot; sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willi=
ng to at least
<br>
&gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there right now=
. <br>
<br>
......<br>
<br>
&gt;I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contracto=
r and this
<br>
&gt;won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'=
d like <br>
&gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzal=
l, etc).<br>
<br>
Tim,<br>
<br>
If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to spend a t=
on of<br>
money on a cordless drill.&nbsp; You say you have $160 burning a hole in yo=
ur pocket<br>
and are willing to put another $160 to that.&nbsp; Man that $320!!!!&nbsp; =
You can get a <br>
Roybi or such for say $100.&nbsp; Usually around Xmas which you just missed=
, you can<br>
get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less than $150.&nbs=
p; That's where<br>
I'd put the first $160.&nbsp; Then I'd look at something else like a slidin=
g compound <br>
miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.<br>
<br>
Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight tools.&nbsp; =
And for the<br>
occassional use they work well.&nbsp; I have a $25 ish oscillating saw, whi=
ch I've used
<br>
for something over 5 yrs.&nbsp; It just died in the middle of a remodel in =
a bedroom.<br>
So I bought another.&nbsp; Especially if you don't know what you're going t=
o use it for.<br>
I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid for it's self=
.&nbsp; If I'd<br>
have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools, I'd never had =
really<br>
gotten my money worth out of the tool.&nbsp; I'm 72 and it's getting harder=
 and harder<br>
every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend over. :)=
&nbsp; So why<br>
should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30 years or so, if =
I'm only<br>
going to be around for another 10 years?<br>
<br>
Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.&nbsp; Especially=
 if it not your<br>
bread and butter.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
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Others have said it, but I'll reiterate: Pick a battery/voltage, then 
acquire the tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill, 
eventually you'll want a cordless impact 'wrench'--for lug nuts if 
nothing else--a 'sawzall'  (equivalent), a circular saw, etc. Buy a 
combo kit, with a battery and charger included, to start.

I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly positive 
reviews and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the 
marketeers (probably both), they seem to be the most popular among the 
mechanics, farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl gets the 
nod for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a cordless 
DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it was a display model, 
thinking "Sure, it'll do a couple bushes then quit," but we did my mom's 
whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The tool that drains the 
battery fastest is my 4&1/2" angle grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably 
because it runs more continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get 
about 20mins on a 4Ah battery.

I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded electric tools--many 
are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly collecting dust 
these days; it's just not worth unraveling an extension cord or firing 
up the compressor for a quick, one-off job . One of my faves is an old 
Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold a candle for power to the 
DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries are hit-or-miss--but it keeps 
soldiering-on. Makita stuff is top-notch, but I haven't seen the variety 
of tools--doesn't mean they don't have them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, 
etc. have on display.

Bob

On 1/11/2021 5:38 AM, Tim . wrote:
> I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop including 
> 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer, panel beating 
> tools, and a boat load of hand tools.
>
> I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My 
> experience with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how much I 
> use them.
>
> tim
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John T. Blair <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM
> *To:* Tim . <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver
> >I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that 
> are both
> >burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can 
> fit in the
> >bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing 
> to at least
> >I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I am not 
> contractor and this
> >won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. 
> I'd like
> >whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, 
> Sawzall, etc).
>
> Tim,
>
> If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to 
> spend a ton of
> money on a cordless drill.  You say you have $160 burning a hole in 
> your pocket
> and are willing to put another $160 to that.  Man that $320!!!!  You 
> can get a
> Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas which you just 
> missed, you can
> get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less than 
> $150.  That's where
> I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at something else like a 
> sliding compound
> Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight tools.  
> And for the
> occassional use they work well.  I have a $25 ish oscillating saw, 
> which I've used
> for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the middle of a remodel in 
> a bedroom.
> So I bought another.  Especially if you don't know what you're going 
> to use it for.
> I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid for it's 
> self.  If I'd
> have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools, I'd never 
> had really
> gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72 and it's getting harder 
> and harder
> every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend 
> over. :)  So why
> should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30 years or 
> so, if I'm only
> Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them. Especially 
> if it not your
> bread and butter.
>
> John
>
>
>  2
>

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    Others have said it, but I'll reiterate: Pick a battery/voltage,
    then acquire the tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill,
    eventually you'll want a cordless impact 'wrench'--for lug nuts if
    nothing else--a 'sawzall'  (equivalent), a circular saw, etc. Buy a
    combo kit, with a battery and charger included, to start.<br>
    <br>
    I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly positive
    reviews and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the
    marketeers (probably both), they seem to be the most popular among
    the mechanics, farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl
    gets the nod for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a
    cordless DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it was a display
    model, thinking "Sure, it'll do a couple bushes then quit," but we
    did my mom's whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The
    tool that drains the battery fastest is my 4&amp;1/2" angle
    grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more
    continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get about 20mins on a
    4Ah battery.<br>
    <br>
    I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded electric
    tools--many are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly
    collecting dust these days; it's just not worth unraveling an
    extension cord or firing up the compressor for a quick, one-off job
    . One of my faves is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold
    a candle for power to the DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries
    are hit-or-miss--but it keeps soldiering-on. Makita stuff is
    top-notch, but I haven't seen the variety of tools--doesn't mean
    they don't have them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on display.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2021 5:38 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
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        I didn't say I was going to spend 320. I said "if necessary". </div>
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        I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop
        including 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer,
        panel beating tools, and a boat load of hand tools. </div>
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        I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My
        experience with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how
        much I use them. </div>
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        <br>
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        tim</div>
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            face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> John
            T. Blair <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Tim . <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</font>
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        </div>
        <div><font size="3">At 10:58 AM 1/10/2021, Tim wrote:<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa
            card that are both <br>
            &gt;burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15%
            "anything you can fit in the <br>
            &gt;bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point
            and am willing to at least
            <br>
            &gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out
            there right now. <br>
            <br>
            ......<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I
            am not contractor and this
            <br>
            &gt;won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of
            dragging cords. I'd like <br>
            &gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless
            (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).<br>
            <br>
            Tim,<br>
            <br>
            If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you
            want to spend a ton of<br>
            money on a cordless drill.  You say you have $160 burning a
            hole in your pocket<br>
            and are willing to put another $160 to that.  Man that
            $320!!!!  You can get a <br>
            Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas which you
            just missed, you can<br>
            get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less
            than $150.  That's where<br>
            I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at something else
            like a sliding compound <br>
            miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.<br>
            <br>
            Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor
            Freight tools.  And for the<br>
            occassional use they work well.  I have a $25 ish
            oscillating saw, which I've used
            <br>
            for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the middle of a
            remodel in a bedroom.<br>
            So I bought another.  Especially if you don't know what
            you're going to use it for.<br>
            I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has
            paid for it's self.  If I'd<br>
            have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools,
            I'd never had really<br>
            gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72 and it's
            getting harder and harder<br>
            every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do,
            like bend over. :)  So why<br>
            should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30
            years or so, if I'm only<br>
            going to be around for another 10 years?<br>
            <br>
            Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them. 
            Especially if it not your<br>
            bread and butter.<br>
            <br>
            John<br>
            <br>
            <br>
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About 2000 I decided to take the plunge into a decent cordless 
drill/driver.  I opted for a 14.4 volt DeWalt over their much heavier 18 
volt.  Built my hangar, did loads of remodeling, on and on.  Battery life 
was ok till the NiCad haunts set in, and after one replacement set of 
DeWalt originals I switched to Amazon or eBay NiMH knockoff packs and had 
great luck.

Recently we've been adding onto the house and remodeling, and after 
watching various subcontractors I just had to have a 1/4" impact driver and 
a hammer drill.  Old loyalty to DeWalt was strong, but I eventually spent a 
touch more for Milwaukee Fuel.  Before Christmas I got a combination kit 
with the best hammer drill and best impact driver, three 5AH Red Lithium 
batteries, and a charger.  $450.

I felt bad about spending the money, but after installing a floor in the 
attic, rebuilding a wall downstairs, running loads of screws, and then 
taking the impact out to work on the cars and snowblowers a few times, I 
wish I'd bought this years ago.

Battery life is incredible.  Hours of work and I've only recharged 
batteries once, when I got down to 2 bars, and I still haven't even opened 
the third battery.

Power is incredible.  The impact won't take off lug nuts, but then I 
haven't actually tried.  I'm sure (once I buy one) the 1/2" will beat the 
pants off my disappointing HF Earthquake 1/2" impact.

Close to a religious experience. Highly recommended.

On January 11, 2021 10:45:30 AM Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
> acquire the tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill, eventually 
> you'll want a cordless impact 'wrench'--for lug nuts if nothing else--a 
> 'sawzall'  (equivalent), a circular saw, etc. Buy a combo kit, with a 
> battery and charger included, to start.
>
> I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly positive reviews 
> and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the marketeers 
> (probably both), they seem to be the most popular among the mechanics, 
> farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl gets the nod for gas 
> chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a cordless DeWalt hedger, 
> slightly discounted because it was a display model, thinking "Sure, it'll 
> do a couple bushes then quit," but we did my mom's whole (large) backyard 
> on a single 4Ah battery. The tool that drains the battery fastest is my 
> 4&1/2" angle grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more 
> continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get about 20mins on a 4Ah 
> battery.
>
> I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded electric tools--many are 
> Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly collecting dust these 
> days; it's just not worth unraveling an extension cord or firing up the 
> compressor for a quick, one-off job . One of my faves is an old Makita 9V 
> driver/drill, which can't hold a candle for power to the DeWalt--and 
> replacement Chinese batteries are hit-or-miss--but it keeps soldiering-on. 
> Makita stuff is top-notch, but I haven't seen the variety of tools--doesn't 
> mean they don't have them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on display.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop including 80-gallon 
>> compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer, panel beating tools, and a boat 
>> load of hand tools.
>>
>> I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My experience 
>>> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are both
>>> burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in the
>>> bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at 
>>> least
>>> I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I am not contractor 
>>> and this
>>> won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like
>>> whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to spend a 
>> ton of
>> money on a cordless drill.  You say you have $160 burning a hole in your pocket
>> and are willing to put another $160 to that.  Man that $320!!!!  You can get a
>> Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas which you just missed, you can
>> get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less than $150.  
>> That's where
>> I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at something else like a sliding 
>> compound
>> Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight tools.  And 
>> for the
>> occassional use they work well.  I have a $25 ish oscillating saw, which 
>> I've used
>> for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the middle of a remodel in a 
>> bedroom.
>> So I bought another.  Especially if you don't know what you're going to use 
>> it for.
>> have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools, I'd never had 
>> really
>> gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72 and it's getting harder and 
>> harder
>> every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend over. :) 
>>  So why
>> should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30 years or so, if 
>> I'm only
>> Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.  Especially if 
>> it not your
>> bread and butter.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> 2
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]

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touch more for Milwaukee Fuel.&nbsp; Before Christmas I got a combination k=
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<p style=3D"color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; margin:=
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et&gt; wrote:</p>
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    Others have said it, but I'll reiterate: Pick a battery/voltage,
    then acquire the tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill,
    eventually you'll want a cordless impact 'wrench'--for lug nuts if
    nothing else--a 'sawzall'&nbsp; (equivalent), a circular saw, etc. Buy =
a
    combo kit, with a battery and charger included, to start.<br>
    <br>
    I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly positive
    reviews and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the
    marketeers (probably both), they seem to be the most popular among
    the mechanics, farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl
    gets the nod for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a
    cordless DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it was a display
    model, thinking "Sure, it'll do a couple bushes then quit," but we
    did my mom's whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The
    tool that drains the battery fastest is my 4&amp;1/2" angle
    grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more
    continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get about 20mins on a
    4Ah battery.<br>
    <br>
    I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded electric
    tools--many are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly
    collecting dust these days; it's just not worth unraveling an
    extension cord or firing up the compressor for a quick, one-off job
    . One of my faves is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold
    a candle for power to the DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries
    are hit-or-miss--but it keeps soldiering-on. Makita stuff is
    top-notch, but I haven't seen the variety of tools--doesn't mean
    they don't have them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on display.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2021 5:38 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:DS7PR19MB462953CC6861370FB060BC70=
[email-masked]">
     =20
     =20
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        I didn't say I was going to spend 320. I said "if necessary".&nbsp;=
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        <br>
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      <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop
        including 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer,
        panel beating tools, and a boat load of hand tools.&nbsp;</div>
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        <br>
      </div>
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        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My
        experience with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how
        much I use them.&nbsp;</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        <br>
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      <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        tim</div>
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alibri, sans-serif; color: #000000;"><b>From:</b> John
            T. Blair <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:jbla=
[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Tim . <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a=
><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</sp=
an>
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        </div>
        <div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">At 10:58 AM 1/10/2021, Tim wr=
ote:<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa
            card that are both <br>
            &gt;burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15%
            "anything you can fit in the <br>
            &gt;bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point
            and am willing to at least
            <br>
            &gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out
            there right now. <br>
            <br>
            ......<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I
            am not contractor and this
            <br>
            &gt;won't get used every day. I am just getting tired of
            dragging cords. I'd like <br>
            &gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless
            (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).<br>
            <br>
            Tim,<br>
            <br>
            If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you
            want to spend a ton of<br>
            money on a cordless drill.&nbsp; You say you have $160 burning =
a
            hole in your pocket<br>
            and are willing to put another $160 to that.&nbsp; Man that
            $320!!!!&nbsp; You can get a <br>
            Roybi or such for say $100.&nbsp; Usually around Xmas which you
            just missed, you can<br>
            get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less
            than $150.&nbsp; That's where<br>
            I'd put the first $160.&nbsp; Then I'd look at something else
            like a sliding compound <br>
            miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.<br>
            <br>
            Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor
            Freight tools.&nbsp; And for the<br>
            occassional use they work well.&nbsp; I have a $25 ish
            oscillating saw, which I've used
            <br>
            for something over 5 yrs.&nbsp; It just died in the middle of a
            remodel in a bedroom.<br>
            So I bought another.&nbsp; Especially if you don't know what
            you're going to use it for.<br>
            I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has
            paid for it's self.&nbsp; If I'd<br>
            have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools,
            I'd never had really<br>
            gotten my money worth out of the tool.&nbsp; I'm 72 and it's
            getting harder and harder<br>
            every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do,
            like bend over. :)&nbsp; So why<br>
            should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30
            years or so, if I'm only<br>
            going to be around for another 10 years?<br>
            <br>
            Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.&nbsp=
;
            Especially if it not your<br>
            bread and butter.<br>
            <br>
            John<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            &nbsp;2<br>
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> pants off my disappointing HF Earthquake 1/2" impact.

You'd be surprised. The 1/4" impacts make 100-120 lb-ft of torque. So
they'll remove lug nuts on most cars if they haven't been over-torqued or
on there forever. They won't break them free on my 3/4-ton truck or
anything like that. But my friend has the 1/2" high-torque impact gun
and... 1400 lb-ft of removal torque. We call it "The middle finger of God"
because when you put it on a fastner and set the torque to "all of it" then
_something_ is going to give.

> Close to a religious experience. Highly recommended.

Agreed. I've been a Bosch cordless guy for years but Milwaukee if
light-years ahead right now and I'll have a bench covered with red cordless
tools when I set my new shop up this summer.

-Paul

>> 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer, panel beating tools, and
>> a boat load of hand tools.
>>
>> experience with ryobi is that they don't hold up to even how much I use
>> them.
>>
>> tim
>>
>> *From:* John T. Blair <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
>> <[email-masked]>
>> both
>> >bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to
>> at least
>> like
>> So I bought another.  Especially if you don't know what you're going to
>> use it for.
>> every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend over.
>> :)  So why
>> should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30 years or so,
>> if I'm only

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:23 PM Karl Vac=
ek &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Power is incr=
edible.=C2=A0 The impact won&#39;t take off lug nuts, but then I haven&#39;=
t actually tried.=C2=A0 I&#39;m sure (once I buy one) the 1/2&quot; will be=
at the pants off my disappointing HF Earthquake 1/2&quot; impact.</div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You&#39;d be surprised. The 1/4&qu=
ot; impacts make 100-120 lb-ft of torque. So they&#39;ll remove lug nuts on=
 most cars if they haven&#39;t been over-torqued or on there forever. They =
won&#39;t break them free on my 3/4-ton truck or anything like that. But my=
 friend has the 1/2&quot; high-torque impact gun and... 1400 lb-ft of remov=
al torque. We call it &quot;The middle finger of God&quot; because when you=
 put it on a fastner and set the torque to &quot;all of it&quot; then _some=
thing_ is going to give.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Close to a religious experience. Highly recommended.=C2=A0</div=
></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed. I&#39;ve been a Bosch=
 cordless guy for years but Milwaukee if light-years ahead right now and I&=
#39;ll have a bench covered with red cordless tools when I set my new shop =
up this summer.</div><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"></div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_5371445377468044316aqm-original" style=3D"color:black">

<div>
<div style=3D"color:black">
<p style=3D"color:black;font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;margin:8pt 0p=
x">On January 11, 2021 10:45:30 AM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspide=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.75ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(128,128,128);padding-left:0.75ex">
    Others have said it, but I&#39;ll reiterate: Pick a battery/voltage,
    then acquire the tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill,
    eventually you&#39;ll want a cordless impact &#39;wrench&#39;--for lug =
nuts if
    nothing else--a &#39;sawzall&#39;=C2=A0 (equivalent), a circular saw, e=
tc. Buy a
    combo kit, with a battery and charger included, to start.<br>
    <br>
    I went with DeWalt 20V &#39;XR&#39; brushless, because of mostly positi=
ve
    reviews and, whether it&#39;s merit or good product placement by the
    marketeers (probably both), they seem to be the most popular among
    the mechanics, farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl
    gets the nod for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a
    cordless DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it was a display
    model, thinking &quot;Sure, it&#39;ll do a couple bushes then quit,&quo=
t; but we
    did my mom&#39;s whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The
    tool that drains the battery fastest is my 4&amp;1/2&quot; angle
    grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more
    continuously and has an &#39;open circuit&#39; load; I get about 20mins=
 on a
    4Ah battery.<br>
    <br>
    I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded electric
    tools--many are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly
    collecting dust these days; it&#39;s just not worth unraveling an
    extension cord or firing up the compressor for a quick, one-off job
    . One of my faves is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can&#39;t hol=
d
    a candle for power to the DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries
    are hit-or-miss--but it keeps soldiering-on. Makita stuff is
    top-notch, but I haven&#39;t seen the variety of tools--doesn&#39;t mea=
n
    they don&#39;t have them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on display.=
<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/11/2021 5:38 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        I didn&#39;t say I was going to spend 320. I said &quot;if necessar=
y&quot;.=C2=A0</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop
        including 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet, parts washer,
        panel beating tools, and a boat load of hand tools.=C2=A0</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My
        experience with ryobi is that they don&#39;t hold up to even how
        much I use them.=C2=A0</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        tim</div>
      <div>
        <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12=
pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
          <br>
        </div>
        <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
        <div id=3D"gmail-m_5371445377468044316divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>From:</b> =
John
            T. Blair <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Tim . <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver</sp=
an>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
        </div>
        <div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">At 10:58 AM 1/10/2021, Tim wrot=
e:<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa
            card that are both <br>
            &gt;burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15%
            &quot;anything you can fit in the <br>
            &gt;bag&quot; sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point
            and am willing to at least
            <br>
            &gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out
            there right now. <br>
            <br>
            ......<br>
            <br>
            &gt;I am not worried about a little heavier than most as I
            am not contractor and this
            <br>
            &gt;won&#39;t get used every day. I am just getting tired of
            dragging cords. I&#39;d like <br>
            &gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless
            (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).<br>
            <br>
            Tim,<br>
            <br>
            If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you
            want to spend a ton of<br>
            money on a cordless drill.=C2=A0 You say you have $160 burning =
a
            hole in your pocket<br>
            and are willing to put another $160 to that.=C2=A0 Man that
            $320!!!!=C2=A0 You can get a <br>
            Roybi or such for say $100.=C2=A0 Usually around Xmas which you
            just missed, you can<br>
            get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less
            than $150.=C2=A0 That&#39;s where<br>
            I&#39;d put the first $160.=C2=A0 Then I&#39;d look at somethin=
g else
            like a sliding compound <br>
            miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.<br>
            <br>
            Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor
            Freight tools.=C2=A0 And for the<br>
            occassional use they work well.=C2=A0 I have a $25 ish
            oscillating saw, which I&#39;ve used
            <br>
            for something over 5 yrs.=C2=A0 It just died in the middle of a
            remodel in a bedroom.<br>
            So I bought another.=C2=A0 Especially if you don&#39;t know wha=
t
            you&#39;re going to use it for.<br>
            I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has
            paid for it&#39;s self.=C2=A0 If I&#39;d<br>
            have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools,
            I&#39;d never had really<br>
            gotten my money worth out of the tool.=C2=A0 I&#39;m 72 and it&=
#39;s
            getting harder and harder<br>
            every day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do,
            like bend over. :)=C2=A0 So why<br>
            should I pay for a tool that would last me for the next 30
            years or so, if I&#39;m only<br>
            going to be around for another 10 years?<br>
            <br>
            Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.=C2=
=A0
            Especially if it not your<br>
            bread and butter.<br>
            <br>
            John<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            =C2=A02<br>
          </span><br>
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My DeWalt 1/2" impact wrench has to work at it, but it'll spin the 
lugnuts off my Mustang wheels (torque spec for the nuts is 150lb-ft).

On 1/11/2021 9:20 AM, Karl Vacek wrote:
> drill/driver.  I opted for a 14.4 volt DeWalt over their much heavier 
> 18 volt.  Built my hangar, did loads of remodeling, on and on.  
> Battery life was ok till the NiCad haunts set in, and after one 
> replacement set of DeWalt originals I switched to Amazon or eBay NiMH 
> knockoff packs and had great luck.
>
> watching various subcontractors I just had to have a 1/4" impact 
> driver and a hammer drill.  Old loyalty to DeWalt was strong, but I 
> eventually spent a touch more for Milwaukee Fuel.  Before Christmas I 
> got a combination kit with the best hammer drill and best impact 
> driver, three 5AH Red Lithium batteries, and a charger.  $450.
>
> I felt bad about spending the money, but after installing a floor in 
> the attic, rebuilding a wall downstairs, running loads of screws, and 
> then taking the impact out to work on the cars and snowblowers a few 
> times, I wish I'd bought this years ago.
>
> batteries once, when I got down to 2 bars, and I still haven't even 
> opened the third battery.
>
> haven't actually tried.  I'm sure (once I buy one) the 1/2" will beat 
> the pants off my disappointing HF Earthquake 1/2" impact.
>
>> did my mom's whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The tool 
>> that drains the battery fastest is my 4&1/2" angle 
>> 4Ah battery.
>> are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are mostly collecting 
>> dust these days; it's just not worth unraveling an extension cord or 
>> firing up the compressor for a quick, one-off job . One of my faves 
>> is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold a candle for power 
>> to the DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries are hit-or-miss--but 
>> it keeps soldiering-on. Makita stuff is top-notch, but I haven't seen 
>> the variety of tools--doesn't mean they don't have them--that DeWalt, 
>> Milwaukee, etc. have on display.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> >bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am 
>>> willing to at least
>>> Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight 
>>> tools.  And for the
>>> for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the middle of a remodel 
>>> in a bedroom.
>>> I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid for 
>>> it's self.  If I'd
>>> have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of these tools, I'd 
>>> never had really
>>> gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72 and it's getting 
>>> harder and harder
>>> Especially if it not your
>>> bread and butter.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>  2
>>>
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    My DeWalt 1/2" impact wrench has to work at it, but it'll spin the
    lugnuts off my Mustang wheels (torque spec for the nuts is
    150lb-ft).<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2021 9:20 AM, Karl Vacek wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">About 2000 I decided to take the plunge into a
          decent cordless drill/driver.  I opted for a 14.4 volt DeWalt
          over their much heavier 18 volt.  Built my hangar, did loads
          of remodeling, on and on.  Battery life was ok till the NiCad
          haunts set in, and after one replacement set of DeWalt
          originals I switched to Amazon or eBay NiMH knockoff packs and
          had great luck.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Recently we've been adding onto the house and
          remodeling, and after watching various subcontractors I just
          had to have a 1/4" impact driver and a hammer drill.  Old
          loyalty to DeWalt was strong, but I eventually spent a touch
          more for Milwaukee Fuel.  Before Christmas I got a combination
          kit with the best hammer drill and best impact driver, three
          5AH Red Lithium batteries, and a charger.  $450.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I felt bad about spending the money, but after
          installing a floor in the attic, rebuilding a wall downstairs,
          running loads of screws, and then taking the impact out to
          work on the cars and snowblowers a few times, I wish I'd
          bought this years ago.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Battery life is incredible.  Hours of work and
          I've only recharged batteries once, when I got down to 2 bars,
          and I still haven't even opened the third battery.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Power is incredible.  The impact won't take off
          lug nuts, but then I haven't actually tried.  I'm sure (once I
          buy one) the 1/2" will beat the pants off my disappointing HF
          Earthquake 1/2" impact.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Close to a religious experience. Highly
          recommended. </div>
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              <p style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                sans-serif; margin: 8pt 0;">On January 11, 2021 10:45:30
                AM Bob Spidell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
              <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:
                0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080;
                padding-left: 0.75ex;"> Others have said it, but I'll
                reiterate: Pick a battery/voltage, then acquire the
                tools that go with it. If you get a cordless drill,
                eventually you'll want a cordless impact 'wrench'--for
                lug nuts if nothing else--a 'sawzall'  (equivalent), a
                circular saw, etc. Buy a combo kit, with a battery and
                charger included, to start.<br>
                <br>
                I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly
                positive reviews and, whether it's merit or good product
                placement by the marketeers (probably both), they seem
                to be the most popular among the mechanics, farmers,
                etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl gets the nod
                for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a
                cordless DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it
                was a display model, thinking "Sure, it'll do a couple
                bushes then quit," but we did my mom's whole (large)
                backyard on a single 4Ah battery. The tool that drains
                the battery fastest is my 4&amp;1/2" angle
                grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs
                more continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get
                about 20mins on a 4Ah battery.<br>
                <br>
                I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded
                electric tools--many are Harbor Freight, for occasional
                use--that are mostly collecting dust these days; it's
                just not worth unraveling an extension cord or firing up
                the compressor for a quick, one-off job . One of my
                faves is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold
                a candle for power to the DeWalt--and replacement
                Chinese batteries are hit-or-miss--but it keeps
                soldiering-on. Makita stuff is top-notch, but I haven't
                seen the variety of tools--doesn't mean they don't have
                them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on display.<br>
                <br>
                Bob<br>
                <br>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2021 5:38 AM, Tim .
                  wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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                    I didn't say I was going to spend 320. I said "if
                    necessary". </div>
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                    I already have a mitre saw. In fact, I have a full
                    shop including 80-gallon compressor, blast cabinet,
                    parts washer, panel beating tools, and a boat load
                    of hand tools. </div>
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                    I simply want the best cordless drill/screw driver
                    out there. My experience with ryobi is that they
                    don't hold up to even how much I use them. </div>
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                    tim</div>
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                        <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Tim . <a
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                    <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">At 10:58 AM
                        1/10/2021, Tim wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                        &gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60
                        rebate visa card that are both <br>
                        &gt;burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have
                        the 15% "anything you can fit in the <br>
                        &gt;bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good
                        starting point and am willing to at least <br>
                        &gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get
                        the best out there right now. <br>
                        <br>
                        ......<br>
                        <br>
                        &gt;I am not worried about a little heavier than
                        most as I am not contractor and this <br>
                        &gt;won't get used every day. I am just getting
                        tired of dragging cords. I'd like <br>
                        &gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all
                        cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).<br>
                        <br>
                        Tim,<br>
                        <br>
                        If you are not going to be using it every day,
                        why do you want to spend a ton of<br>
                        money on a cordless drill.  You say you have
                        $160 burning a hole in your pocket<br>
                        and are willing to put another $160 to that. 
                        Man that $320!!!!  You can get a <br>
                        Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas
                        which you just missed, you can<br>
                        get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another
                        tool for less than $150.  That's where<br>
                        I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at
                        something else like a sliding compound <br>
                        miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other
                        tools.<br>
                        <br>
                        Now that being said, let me say I buy a lot of
                        Harbor Freight tools.  And for the<br>
                        occassional use they work well.  I have a $25
                        ish oscillating saw, which I've used <br>
                        for something over 5 yrs.  It just died in the
                        middle of a remodel in a bedroom.<br>
                        So I bought another.  Especially if you don't
                        know what you're going to use it for.<br>
                        I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw
                        that has paid for it's self.  If I'd<br>
                        have bought a $100 to $300 version of either of
                        these tools, I'd never had really<br>
                        gotten my money worth out of the tool.  I'm 72
                        and it's getting harder and harder<br>
                        every day for me to do a lot of the things I
                        used to do, like bend over. :)  So why<br>
                        should I pay for a tool that would last me for
                        the next 30 years or so, if I'm only<br>
                        going to be around for another 10 years?<br>
                        <br>
                        Spend a little less money on a tool, and get
                        more of them.  Especially if it not your<br>
                        bread and butter.<br>
                        <br>
                        John<br>
                        <br>
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My 1/4 Dewalt brushless impact will not remove the lugs from most of my
vehicles.  It works on the '76 Spitfire, but nothing else.  I have been
lusting after one of the bigger 1/2" Dewalt impact drivers, but can't
justify the cost when I have literally half a dozen 1/2" air impact drivers
in the drawer.  Maybe one day....

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:36 AM Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> reviews and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the marketeers
>>> these days; it's just not worth unraveling an extension cord or firing up
>>> the compressor for a quick, one-off job . One of my faves is an old Makita
>>> 9V driver/drill, which can't hold a candle for power to the DeWalt--and
>>> If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to spend
>>> a ton of

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<div dir=3D"ltr">My 1/4 Dewalt brushless impact will not remove the lugs fr=
om most of my vehicles.=C2=A0 It works on the &#39;76 Spitfire, but nothing=
 else.=C2=A0 I have been lusting after one of the bigger 1/2&quot; Dewalt i=
mpact drivers, but can&#39;t justify the cost when I have literally half a =
dozen 1/2&quot; air impact drivers in the drawer.=C2=A0 Maybe one day....<b=
r></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:36 AM Paul Parkanzky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:par=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On M=
on, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:23 PM Karl Vacek &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stearman809@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Power is incredible.=C2=A0 The im=
pact won&#39;t take off lug nuts, but then I haven&#39;t actually tried.=C2=
=A0 I&#39;m sure (once I buy one) the 1/2&quot; will beat the pants off my =
disappointing HF Earthquake 1/2&quot; impact.</div></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>You&#39;d be surprised. The 1/4&quot; impacts make 100=
-120 lb-ft of torque. So they&#39;ll remove lug nuts on most cars if they h=
aven&#39;t been over-torqued or on there forever. They won&#39;t break them=
 free on my 3/4-ton truck or anything like that. But my friend has the 1/2&=
quot; high-torque impact gun and... 1400 lb-ft of removal torque. We call i=
t &quot;The middle finger of God&quot; because when you put it on a fastner=
 and set the torque to &quot;all of it&quot; then _something_ is going to g=
ive.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"></div><div dir=3D"auto">Close to=
 a religious experience. Highly recommended.=C2=A0</div></div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>Agreed. I&#39;ve been a Bosch cordless guy for ye=
ars but Milwaukee if light-years ahead right now and I&#39;ll have a bench =
covered with red cordless tools when I set my new shop up this summer.</div=
><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
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My only cordless tool is an ancient Bosch 7.2v drill/driver. Got it free
with 'Tiger Tokens' (from buying Esso fuel) around 1990 - replaced the
battery about 15 years ago with one off eBay (still NiCd, but bigger than
original). Still a great tool, but maybe one day I will get something more
powerful.

Neil

From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell
Sent: 11 January 2021 16:45
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, because of mostly positive reviews
and, whether it's merit or good product placement by the marketeers
(probably both), they seem to be the most popular among the mechanics,
farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV shows (Stihl gets the nod for gas
chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I bought a cordless DeWalt hedger,
slightly discounted because it was a display model, thinking "Sure, it'll do
a couple bushes then quit," but we did my mom's whole (large) backyard on a
single 4Ah battery. The tool that drains the battery fastest is my 4&1/2"
angle grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more continuously
and has an 'open circuit' load; I get about 20mins on a 4Ah battery.

Bob

tim

  _____  

least 

......

and this 
like 

Tim,

If you are not going to be using it every day, why do you want to spend a
ton of
money on a cordless drill.  You say you have $160 burning a hole in your
pocket
and are willing to put another $160 to that.  Man that $320!!!!  You can get
a 
Roybi or such for say $100.  Usually around Xmas which you just missed, you
can
get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and another tool for less than $150.
That's where
I'd put the first $160.  Then I'd look at something else like a sliding
compound 
miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.

I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid for it's self.
If I'd

Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of them.  Especially if it
not your
bread and butter.

John

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My only cordless tool is an ancient Bosch =
7.2v drill/driver. Got it free with &#8216;Tiger Tokens&#8217; (from =
buying Esso fuel) around 1990 &#8211; replaced the battery about 15 =
years ago with one off eBay (still NiCd, but bigger than original). =
Still a great tool, but maybe one day I will get something more =
powerful&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Shop-talk =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob =
Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 January 2021 16:45<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless =
drill/screw driver<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Others have said it, but I'll reiterate: =
Pick a battery/voltage, then acquire the tools that go with it. If you =
get a cordless drill, eventually you'll want a cordless impact =
'wrench'--for lug nuts if nothing else--a 'sawzall'&nbsp; (equivalent), =
a circular saw, etc. Buy a combo kit, with a battery and charger =
included, to start.<br><br>I went with DeWalt 20V 'XR' brushless, =
because of mostly positive reviews and, whether it's merit or good =
product placement by the marketeers (probably both), they seem to be the =
most popular among the mechanics, farmers, etc. on the quasi-reality TV =
shows (Stihl gets the nod for gas chainsaws, with Husqvarna second). I =
bought a cordless DeWalt hedger, slightly discounted because it was a =
display model, thinking &quot;Sure, it'll do a couple bushes then =
quit,&quot; but we did my mom's whole (large) backyard on a single 4Ah =
battery. The tool that drains the battery fastest is my 4&amp;1/2&quot; =
angle grinder/sander/wirebrusher, probably because it runs more =
continuously and has an 'open circuit' load; I get about 20mins on a 4Ah =
battery.<br><br>I have a full complement of pneumatic and corded =
electric tools--many are Harbor Freight, for occasional use--that are =
mostly collecting dust these days; it's just not worth unraveling an =
extension cord or firing up the compressor for a quick, one-off job . =
One of my faves is an old Makita 9V driver/drill, which can't hold a =
candle for power to the DeWalt--and replacement Chinese batteries are =
hit-or-miss--but it keeps soldiering-on. Makita stuff is top-notch, but =
I haven't seen the variety of tools--doesn't mean they don't have =
them--that DeWalt, Milwaukee, etc. have on =
display.<br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 1/11/2021 =
5:38 AM, Tim . wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I didn't say I =
was going to spend 320. I said &quot;if =
necessary&quot;.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I already have a =
mitre saw. In fact, I have a full shop including 80-gallon compressor, =
blast cabinet, parts washer, panel beating tools, and a boat load of =
hand tools.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I simply want the =
best cordless drill/screw driver out there. My experience with ryobi is =
that they don't hold up to even how much I use =
them.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>tim<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
John T. Blair <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>S=
ent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tim . <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlo=
ok.com&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw =
driver</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>At 10:58 AM 1/10/2021, =
Tim wrote:<br><br>&gt;I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 =
rebate visa card that are both <br>&gt;burning a hole in my pocket. =
Also, I have the 15% &quot;anything you can fit in the <br>&gt;bag&quot; =
sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to at =
least <br>&gt;match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out =
there right now. <br><br>......<br><br>&gt;I am not worried about a =
little heavier than most as I am not contractor and this <br>&gt;won't =
get used every day. I am just getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like =
<br>&gt;whatever I get to be the start of going all cordless (skill saw, =
Sawzall, etc).<br><br>Tim,<br><br>If you are not going to be using it =
every day, why do you want to spend a ton of<br>money on a cordless =
drill.&nbsp; You say you have $160 burning a hole in your pocket<br>and =
are willing to put another $160 to that.&nbsp; Man that $320!!!!&nbsp; =
You can get a <br>Roybi or such for say $100.&nbsp; Usually around Xmas =
which you just missed, you can<br>get a Roybi kit with a drill, saw, and =
another tool for less than $150.&nbsp; That's where<br>I'd put the first =
$160.&nbsp; Then I'd look at something else like a sliding compound =
<br>miter saw, or a nail gun or two, or some other tools.<br><br>Now =
that being said, let me say I buy a lot of Harbor Freight tools.&nbsp; =
And for the<br>occassional use they work well.&nbsp; I have a $25 ish =
oscillating saw, which I've used <br>for something over 5 yrs.&nbsp; It =
just died in the middle of a remodel in a bedroom.<br>So I bought =
another.&nbsp; Especially if you don't know what you're going to use it =
for.<br>I also have a cheap $20 H.F. recriprocating saw that has paid =
for it's self.&nbsp; If I'd<br>have bought a $100 to $300 version of =
either of these tools, I'd never had really<br>gotten my money worth out =
of the tool.&nbsp; I'm 72 and it's getting harder and harder<br>every =
day for me to do a lot of the things I used to do, like bend over. =
:)&nbsp; So why<br>should I pay for a tool that would last me for the =
next 30 years or so, if I'm only<br>going to be around for another 10 =
years?<br><br>Spend a little less money on a tool, and get more of =
them.&nbsp; Especially if it not your<br>bread and =
butter.<br><br>John<br><br><br>&nbsp;2<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockq=
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From: Mark Andy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:20:30 -0500

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Howdy,

I bit the bullet a year or two ago, coming from old Milwaukee 18v Nicad
stuff.  In addition to batteries dying, the thing that convinced me was
just how good the 12v Bosch screwdriver I bought was when I wanted
something super small for electrical work.  Turned out that the modern 12v
lithium stuff has as much power as the old 18+ nicad stuff, weighs half as
much, and is smaller in all good ways.

A couple years later... I have both 12v and 18v Milwaukee.  To me, the only
downside of Milwaukee is price.  In every other way they're better or at
absolute worst equal to the other brands.  Performance, tool selection,
ergos, etc.

My recommendation for a drill/driver would absolutely be one of the 12v
Fuel brushless Milwaukees.  After that, my recommendation would be any 12v
brushless brand that has reasonable reviews and you like the feel of it
when you pick it up.

Battery stuff these days is amazing.  I basically never use corded or air
powered handtools any more.

Mark

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:36 AM Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I use Bosch cordless tools and I am very happy with them, but my friend
> has Milwaukee and they have the best selection of tools right now. They
> have a cordless impact gun that makes 1400 ft.-lbs of torque!!! I have two
> full sets and a bunch of batteries for the Bosch stuff but one of these
> days I'm going to have to bite the bullet and make the switch to red.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Paul
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<br><br>I bit the bullet a year or two ago, coming f=
rom old Milwaukee 18v Nicad stuff.=C2=A0 In addition to batteries dying, th=
e thing that convinced me was just how good the 12v Bosch screwdriver I bou=
ght was when I wanted something super small for electrical work.=C2=A0 Turn=
ed out that the modern 12v lithium stuff has as much power as the old 18+ n=
icad stuff, weighs half as much, and is smaller in all good ways.<br><br>A =
couple years later... I have both 12v and 18v Milwaukee.=C2=A0 To me, the o=
nly downside of Milwaukee is price.=C2=A0 In every other way they&#39;re be=
tter or at absolute worst equal to the other brands.=C2=A0 Performance, too=
l selection, ergos, etc.<br><br>My recommendation for a drill/driver would =
absolutely be one of the 12v Fuel brushless Milwaukees.=C2=A0 After that, m=
y recommendation would be any 12v brushless brand that has reasonable revie=
ws and you like the feel of it when you pick it up.<br><br>Battery stuff th=
ese days is amazing.=C2=A0 I basically never use corded or air powered hand=
tools any more.<br><br>Mark</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:36 AM Paul Parkanzky =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div>I use Bosch cordless tools and I am very happy with them, but my f=
riend has Milwaukee and they have the best selection of tools right now. Th=
ey have a cordless impact gun that makes 1400 ft.-lbs of torque!!! I have t=
wo full sets and a bunch of batteries for the Bosch stuff but one of these =
days I&#39;m going to have to bite the bullet and make the switch to red.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan =
10, 2021 at 10:59 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
alk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.t=
eam.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]</a><br>
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From: Arvid <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 11:55:46 -0600

I will add my vote for Milwaukee.

I have 3 M12 FUEL and 1 M18 FUEL drills. FUEL is the Milwaukee name for brush-less.

95% of the time an M12 with the 2ah battery gets it done. The other 5% of the time is handled by the M12 right angle drill (obvious 'nothing else fits there' situations) or something like 'need several 7/8 inch holes in the tractor bucket'. In the latter case I make sure I have the torque handle attached as the drill will get away from me pretty easily.

The only shortcoming that I have found in the Milwaukee lineup is that it seems to be focused on construction related tools. Fine woodworking seems to be a little lower on their priority list. Their M18 palm sander gets lots of bad review and they do not have an M18 track saw package. Having said that I do have their M18 router which I am happy with and their M18 7 1/4 circular saw. Sadly the dust collection on the saw is horrible. Definitely designed ... or more likely just ignored ... for the construction setting where sawdust all over is probably not an issue. Many 'less than 5 start' reviews based on that issue.

Arvid

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