Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cordless drill/screw driver

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:39:53 -0600

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Yup, 20 volt is mainly marketing but also a Change to a better battery techn=
ology.=20

18 volt is measured under load while 20 volt is measured open circuit so the=
 tool doesn=E2=80=99t see any difference between them.=20

DeWalt has an adapter to allow 20 volt batteries to be used in most 18 volt t=
ools.=20

BTW, last time I checked  DeWalt didn=E2=80=99t sell 18 volt batteries any m=
ore.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
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On Jan 10, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Jim Franklin <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFAnother DeWalt fan here. I'm sure the Milwaukees are just fine, but=
 I bought into the platform. For regular around the house stuff Ryobi is sur=
prisingly good, but they may not be at Menard's.=20

As for the 12v vs 18/20v stuff (I've read the 20v is really an 18v with extr=
a marketing power), I had a 12v Black & Decker drill a long time ago, and li=
ked it so much I replaced the batteries, and then the motor. Eventually the h=
ousing cracked and I moved to the 20v DeWalt. If I were just buying for gene=
ral household, I'd choose a modern 18v Ryobi over a 12v.=20

jim

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> Hey all,=20
>=20
> I know this has been discussed ad nauseam but I didn't save any of those e=
mails.....
>=20
> I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that are bot=
h burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can fit in=
 the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willing to=
 at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there righ=
t now.=20
>=20
> So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier th=
an most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just g=
etting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of g=
oing all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).
>=20
> Thanks all
> tim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yup, 20 volt is mainly marketing but also a=
 Change to a better battery technology.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>18 volt is m=
easured under load while 20 volt is measured open circuit so the tool doesn=E2=
=80=99t see any difference between them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>DeWa=
lt has an adapter to allow 20 volt batteries to be used in most 18 volt tool=
s.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, last time I checked &nbsp;DeWalt didn=
=E2=80=99t sell 18 volt batteries any more.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>P=
eace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support H=
abitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 10=
, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Jim Franklin &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=
=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">Another DeWalt fan here. I'm sure the Mil=
waukees are just fine, but I bought into the platform. For regular around th=
e house stuff Ryobi is surprisingly good, but they may not be at Menard's.&n=
bsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As for the 12v vs 1=
8/20v stuff (I've read the 20v is really an 18v with extra marketing power),=
 I had a 12v Black &amp; Decker drill a long time ago, and liked it so much I=
 replaced the batteries, and then the motor. Eventually the housing cracked a=
nd I moved to the 20v DeWalt. If I were just buying for general household, I=
'd choose a modern 18v Ryobi over a 12v.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br clas=
s=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Ti=
m . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">tims_dat=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: n=
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ormal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: n=
one; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D=
"">Hey all,&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: n=
ormal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: norma=
l; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: n=
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one; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style:=
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mal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:=
 normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:=
 none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D=
"">I know this has been discussed&nbsp;ad nauseam&nbsp;but I didn't save any=
 of those emails.....</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-sty=
le: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: n=
ormal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-spac=
e: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoratio=
n: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-st=
yle: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:=
 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-sp=
ace: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decorat=
ion: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" cl=
ass=3D"">I have a $100 menards rebate check and a $60 rebate visa card that a=
re both burning a hole in my pocket. Also, I have the 15% "anything you can f=
it in the bag" sale bag. I figure $160 is a good starting point and am willi=
ng to at least match that 160 or more if necessary to get the best out there=
 right now.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: n=
ormal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: norma=
l; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: n=
ormal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: n=
one; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: nor=
mal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:=
 normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:=
 none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D=
"">So, what is the best right now? I am not worried about a little heavier t=
han most as I am not contractor and this won't get used every day. I am just=
 getting tired of dragging cords. I'd like whatever I get to be the start of=
 going all cordless (skill saw, Sawzall, etc).</div><div style=3D"caret-colo=
r: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:=
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Pet Writes-
>DeWalt has an adapter to allow 20 volt batteries to be used in most 18 
volt tools. 

I wrote about this adapter here before.  It was a reason I didn't switch 
from Dewalt when the LiIon revolution came out.  This allowed me to not 
only use all the tools I already had with the new batteries, but after a 
little bit of time, the old 18v stuff was so deeply discounted (since 
everyone bought the newer technologies) that I picked up a bunch of 'nice 
to have' tools and spare tools that I used all the time for next to 
nothing.

All of my 18v tools from over 24 years ago are still working and I use 
them often.

I don't think any other manufacture did this at the time.  BTW, you can 
now buy adaptors to use anyone's batteries in anyone else's tools.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Pet Writes-</font>
<br><font size=3>&gt;DeWalt has an adapter to allow 20 volt batteries to
be used in most 18 volt tools. </font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I wrote about this adapter here before.
&nbsp;It was a reason I didn't switch from Dewalt when the LiIon revolution
came out. &nbsp;This allowed me to not only use all the tools I already
had with the new batteries, but after a little bit of time, the old 18v
stuff was so deeply discounted (since everyone bought the newer technologies)
that I picked up a bunch of 'nice to have' tools and spare tools that I
used all the time for next to nothing.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">All of my 18v tools from over 24 years
ago are still working and I use them often.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I don't think any other manufacture
did this at the time. &nbsp;BTW, you can now buy adaptors to use anyone's
batteries in anyone else's tools.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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