Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?

From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 14:05:41 -0800

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Hi Tim

Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also may be
the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral there
to test it.

best,

doug

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over
> the mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and
> no breaker tripped.
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tim<div><br></div><div>Is it a fluorescent fixture? If =
so it could be the ballast. It also may be the switch. I would try a meter =
at the switch if you have a neutral there to test it.</div><div><br></div><=
div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM=
 Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tims_datsun_stu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
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Hey all,=C2=A0</div>
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Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over t=
he mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and n=
o breaker tripped.=C2=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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They can absolutely fail.  Much of these are cheaper imports and 
connections that heat and cool over and over again can fail over time.

I'm actually just working on a scuba tank lamp and the fixture the guy 
wanted me to use had this exact problem.

Good news, they are SUPER easy to fix!

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?

From:   "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
To:     "Shop  Talk" <[email-masked]>
Date:   12/06/2020 05:01 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

Hey all, 

thanks
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">They can absolutely
fail. &nbsp;Much of these are cheaper imports and connections that heat
and cool over and over again can fail over time.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm actually just
working on a scuba tank lamp and the fixture the guy wanted me to use had
this exact problem.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Good news, they
are SUPER easy to fix!</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Hey all, </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Is it possible for
a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over the mirror in one
of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no breaker tripped.
</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">thanks</span>
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 22:06:39 +0000

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no, incandescent fixture.

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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:05 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>
Cc: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?

Hi Tim

Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also may be =
the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral there t=
o test it.

best,

doug

[email-masked]>> wrote:
Hey all,

o breaker tripped.

thanks
tim

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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:05 PM<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tim
<div><br>
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<div>Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also ma=
y be the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral th=
ere to test it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>doug</div>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim =
. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tims_datsun_stuff@ou=
tlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over t=
he mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and n=
o breaker tripped.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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> On Dec 6, 2020, at 16:01, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hey all,=20
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he mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no=
 breaker tripped.=20
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A classic incandescent fixture doesn=E2=80=99t have much to go wrong. A few s=
plices, and the sockets. A newer fixture probably has some current limiting d=
evices (to keep you from putting 100 w incandescent bulbs in a fixture rated=
 for 26w cfls).  Those do fail.=20

Take it down, verify the connection is good, and that there is power. If tha=
t checks out, take the luminaire appart, and inspect it.=20
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></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 6, 2020, at 16:01, Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">

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Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over th=
e mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no b=
reaker tripped.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
thanks</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>A classic incandescent fixture=
 doesn=E2=80=99t have much to go wrong. A few splices, and the sockets. A ne=
wer fixture probably has some current limiting devices (to keep you from put=
ting 100 w incandescent bulbs in a fixture rated for 26w cfls). &nbsp;Those d=
o fail.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Take it down, verify the connection is good=
, and that there is power. If that checks out, take the luminaire appart, an=
d inspect it.&nbsp;<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></sp=
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From: Benjamin Zwissler <[email-masked]>
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Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them or tightening will
help.  Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fail in a most bathroom.

I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot of heat and
current.  Most have a 60w limit.  If the bulbs are enclosed by the fixture
there may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never seen one of those in
simple light bars.

Ben

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> *To:* Tim . <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?
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> Hi Tim
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<div dir=3D"auto">Sometimes it&#39;s just the wire nuts and replacing them =
or tightening will help.=C2=A0 Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fa=
il in a most bathroom.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that&#39;s a lot of h=
eat and current.=C2=A0 Most have a 60w limit.=C2=A0 If the bulbs are enclos=
ed by the fixture there may be a high temp limit switch, but I&#39;ve never=
 seen one of those in simple light bars.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Ben</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 5:07 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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:rgb(0,0,0)">
no, incandescent fixture<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri=
,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">.=C2=A0</span></div>
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old dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tim
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also ma=
y be the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral th=
ere to test it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>doug</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tims_d=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Hey all,=C2=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over t=
he mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and n=
o breaker tripped.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
</div>
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three of the bulbs are LED so no heat issues.

I'll grab the multi meter tomorrow and do some checking

thanks all

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From: Benjamin Zwissler <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?

Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them or tightening will hel=
p.  Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fail in a most bathroom.

I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot of heat and c=
urrent.  Most have a 60w limit.  If the bulbs are enclosed by the fixture t=
here may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never seen one of those in s=
imple light bars.

Ben

[email-masked]>> wrote:
no, incandescent fixture.

om>>

Hi Tim

best,

doug

thanks
tim

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three of the bulbs are LED so no heat issues.&nbsp;</div>
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n a most bathroom.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Switches fail all of the time, too.  Don=E2=80=99t forget to check that.

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Tim . <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> three of the bulbs are LED so no heat issues.=20
>=20
> Cc: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk =
<[email-masked]>
> Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them or tightening =
will help.  Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fail in a most =
bathroom. =20
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> I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot of heat =
and current.  Most have a 60w limit.  If the bulbs are enclosed by the =
fixture there may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never seen one =
of those in simple light bars.
>=20
> Ben
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> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 5:07 PM Tim . <[email-masked] =
> no, incandescent fixture.=20
>=20
> To: Tim . <[email-masked] =
> Cc: Shop Talk <[email-masked] =
> Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also =
may be the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a =
neutral there to test it.
>=20
> best,
>=20
> doug
>=20
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . <[email-masked] =
> Hey all,=20
>=20
> Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture =
over the mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are =
good and no breaker tripped.=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Switches fail all of the time, too. &nbsp;Don=E2=80=99t =
forget to check that.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Tim =
. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">three of the bulbs are LED so no heat =
issues.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I'll grab the multi meter tomorrow and do =
some checking</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
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class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Benjamin Zwissler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
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4:15 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>old =
dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;<a =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Shop-talk] failed =
light fixture?</font><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Sometimes it's just the wire =
nuts and replacing them or tightening will help.&nbsp; Sometimes the =
internal crimps corrode and fail in a most bathroom.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot =
of heat and current.&nbsp; Most have a 60w limit.&nbsp; If the bulbs are =
enclosed by the fixture there may be a high temp limit switch, but I've =
never seen one of those in simple light bars.<div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Ben</div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"x_gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Sun, =
Dec 6, 2020, 5:07 PM Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">no, incandescent fixture<span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">.&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><hr style=3D"display: inline-block; =
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face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>old=
 dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
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4:05 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop Talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Shop-talk] failed =
light fixture?</font><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hi Tim<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it =
could be the ballast. It also may be the switch. I would try a meter at =
the switch if you have a neutral there to test it.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">best,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">doug</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Dec 6, =
2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Hey all,&nbsp;</div><div =
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Is it possible for a =
fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over the mirror in one =
of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no breaker =
tripped.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">thanks</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
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Yes.  Spent too much time trying to fix an exterior light that had a 
socket go bad.  It was a corroded rivet that joined the wire to the 
socket.  Use a non-contact voltage tester and see if you still have 
power to the socket.  These things are great for a basic power check.

Sample: https://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-voltage-tester-63919.html

Test for power to the socket with the bulb out, then to the light 
junction box, then to the switch.  Get the tester close and it will beep 
if there is power.

Also check any GFCI breakers in the bathroom.  The lights might be on a 
tripped circuit.

Brian

On 12/6/2020 2:01 PM, Tim . wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture 
> over the mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are 
> good and no breaker tripped.
>
> thanks
> tim
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    Yes.  Spent too much time trying to fix an exterior light that had a
    socket go bad.  It was a corroded rivet that joined the wire to the
    socket.  Use a non-contact voltage tester and see if you still have
    power to the socket.  These things are great for a basic power
    check.<br>
    <br>
    Sample:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-voltage-tester-63919.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-voltage-tester-63919.html</a><br>
    <br>
    Test for power to the socket with the bulb out, then to the light
    junction box, then to the switch.  Get the tester close and it will
    beep if there is power.<br>
    <br>
    Also check any GFCI breakers in the bathroom.  The lights might be
    on a tripped circuit.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
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        Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb
        fixture over the mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer
        works. Bulbs are good and no breaker tripped. </div>
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        thanks</div>
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Check GFI in case the fixture is on a protected circuit.=20

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes

Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?

- Lillian Hellman

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them or tightening will he=
lp.  Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fail in a most bathroom. =20
> I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot of heat and c=
urrent.  Most have a 60w limit.  If the bulbs are enclosed by the fixture th=
ere may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never seen one of those in sim=
ple light bars.
> Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also may be=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Check GFI in case the fixture is o=
n a protected circuit.&nbsp;</span><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: a=
uto;"><br></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">- Bill Rabel<=
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r><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">Since when do you have to agree with peop=
le to defend them from injustice?</span></p><p class=3D"p1"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 13pt;">- Lillian Hellman</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuf=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
three of the bulbs are LED so no heat issues.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I'll grab the multi meter tomorrow and do some checking</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
&nbsp;</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
thanks&nbsp;all</div>
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or=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Benjamin Zwissler &lt;b=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> old dirtbeard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-tal=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them or ti=
ghtening will help.&nbsp; Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and fail in a=
 most bathroom.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a l=
ot of heat and current.&nbsp; Most have a 60w limit.&nbsp; If the bulbs are e=
nclosed by the fixture there may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never=
 seen one of those in simple light bars.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Ben</div>
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lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tims_datsun_stuff@outloo=
k.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
no, incandescent fixture<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri=
,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">.&nbsp;</span></div>
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alibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> o=
ld dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Tim
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also may=
 be the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral ther=
e to test it.</div>
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</div>
<div>best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>doug</div>
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<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tims_dat=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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Hey all,&nbsp;</div>
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<br>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Is it possible for a fixture to fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over th=
e mirror in one of the bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no b=
reaker tripped.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
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tim</div>
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From: "Neil Sherry" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 13:32:19 -0000

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If they are LED's and all gone off, there is probably a power supply unit to
drop supply to 12 volt and this has failed. Should be able to get a generic
one to replace it.

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Tim .
Sent: 06 December 2020 22:17
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?

thanks all

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Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture? 

Ben

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 5:07 PM Tim . <[email-masked]

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Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:05 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture? 

Hi Tim 

Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the ballast. It also may be
the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if you have a neutral there to
test it.

best,

doug

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . <[email-masked]

Hey all, 

thanks

tim

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If they are LED&#8217;s and all =
gone off, there is probably a power supply unit to drop supply to 12 =
volt and this has failed. Should be able to get a generic one to replace =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim =
.<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 December 2020 22:17<br><b>To:</b> Shop Talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
failed light fixture?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>three of the bulbs are LED so no =
heat issues.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I'll grab the multi meter =
tomorrow and do some checking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>thanks&nbsp;all<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
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size=3D2 width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Benjamin Zwissler &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>S=
ent:</b> Sunday, December 6, 2020 4:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> old dirtbeard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Shop =
Talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sometimes it's just the wire nuts and replacing them =
or tightening will help.&nbsp; Sometimes the internal crimps corrode and =
fail in a most bathroom.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
had someone who put four 100w bulbs in one and that's a lot of heat and =
current.&nbsp; Most have a 60w limit.&nbsp; If the bulbs are enclosed by =
the fixture there may be a high temp limit switch, but I've never seen =
one of those in simple light bars. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ben<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 5:07 PM Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>no, =
incandescent fixture.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> old dirtbeard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
December 6, 2020 4:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Shop-talk] failed light fixture?</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Tim <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Is it a fluorescent fixture? If so it could be the =
ballast. It also may be the switch. I would try a meter at the switch if =
you have a neutral there to test it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>doug<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tim . &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hey =
all,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Is it possible for a fixture to =
fail? We have this four-bulb fixture over the mirror in one of the =
bathrooms. It no longer works. Bulbs are good and no breaker =
tripped.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>tim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></d=
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