Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs

From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 07:06:28 -0500

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	In my father=E2=80=99s repair shop we used to stud tires.  I had =
a Datson 240Z and studied both front and rear tires (then recommended) =
It was like perpetually riding on ice the car wandered terribly.  I =
spent a whole afternoon removing the studs.  I don=E2=80=99t believe =
that studded tires are allowed in Massachusetts anymore.  They did a =
tune on the asphalt roads, as unlike chains, people had them on full =
time during the winter, and many all year.
	Best,
	bob

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Matt <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them =
new, ready to go with the studs installed.  If you can=E2=80=99t find =
some like that for your application, chains might be an easier solution =
or even some of the fabric solutions.  Good luck!
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire studs
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 -0500
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> A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put =
studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts =
then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they =
could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. =
The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of =
studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool =
sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the =
tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread =
and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young =
and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires =
were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with =
dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated.
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> Eric Russell
> Mebane, NC
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wrote:
> OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm =
plowing snow. =EF=BF=BDIs there any 'method' to putting them on? =EF=BF=BD=
How many per tire? =EF=BF=BDPatterns? =EF=BF=BDThe tires are a knobby =
design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs =
a little to ice, they can't get any bite. =EF=BF=BDSo I figured some =
studs would be perfect.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>In my =
father=E2=80=99s repair shop we used to stud tires. &nbsp;I had a Datson =
240Z and studied both front and rear tires (then recommended) It was =
like perpetually riding on ice the car wandered terribly. &nbsp;I spent =
a whole afternoon removing the studs. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t believe that =
studded tires are allowed in Massachusetts anymore. &nbsp;They did a =
tune on the asphalt roads, as unlike chains, people had them on full =
time during the winter, and many all year.<div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>bob<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec =
19, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Matt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">I =
had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them new, =
ready to go with the studs installed. &nbsp;If you can=E2=80=99t find =
some like that for your application, chains might be an easier solution =
or even some of the fabric solutions. &nbsp;Good luck!</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">---------- Original =
Message ----------<br class=3D"">From: Eric Russell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: =
[Shop-talk] Tire studs<br class=3D"">Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 13:16:28 =
-0500<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=3D"">A gazillion years =
ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on =
my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were =
not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires =
and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series =
of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like =
solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver =
handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the =
stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were =
seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, =
the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume =
that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) =
preventing the studs from being fully seated.</p><p class=3D"">Eric =
Russell<br class=3D""> Mebane, NC</p>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, <a =
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font-size: small;" class=3D"">OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero =
turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. =EF=BF=BDIs there any 'method' =
to putting them on? =EF=BF=BDHow many per tire? =EF=BF=BDPatterns? =
=EF=BF=BDThe tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow =
already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any =
bite. =EF=BF=BDSo I figured some studs would be =
perfect.</span></blockquote><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:47:17 -0600

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 6:07 AM Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> In my father’s repair shop we used to stud tires.  I had a Datson 240Z and studied both front and rear tires (then recommended) It was like perpetually riding on ice the car wandered terribly.  I spent a whole afternoon removing the studs.  I don’t believe that studded tires are allowed in Massachusetts anymore.  They did a tune on the asphalt roads, as unlike chains, people had them on full time during the winter, and many all year.
> Best,
> bob

Studded tires for road use are inferior to a modern studless snow tire
on all surfaces except ice.  Below 0F, they don't even work well on
ice.  They do, as you note, do a number on the pavement, and are
restricted by most states, and outright prohibited by a few.
(Illinois allows rural mail carriers to use them, but no one else.)
When I ran a shop, we put studded tires on the post offices LLVs drive
axles.  One year, we ran out of studs, and I discovered our supplier
would only sell us studs in 10,000 packs.  That's about 100 tires
worth, and we did six or eight a year.  We sent them out to be studded
after that.

For off road vehicles, the situation is a little different.  There
probably aren't good snow tires available, and studs work okay in
snow.  I use studded tires on my bicycle,  because falling hurts, and
studded bike tires have amazing grip on ice or packed snow.  They suck
the rest of the time, but there's often ice around in winter.

For a tractor, I suspect turf tires with properly installed chains are
superior to an improvised set of studs.

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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:08:42 -0500

Yes, they do a number on hard pavement. Here in NJ, they can be used, but only between Nov 15th & Apr 1st (MA appears to restrict them to Nov 1st thru Apr 30th). I don’t really see (OK, hear) many folks using them these days. 

As others have noted, modern, studless winter tires are generally a much better all around solution. We’ve run Blizzaks on many different cars, for many years, and still do where there’s a fitment available. I’m currently running the Pirelli Sottozero on my Boxster and find them to be very good as well.

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> On 20 Dec 2020, at 7:06 AM, Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> I had studded tires for a while when I lived in AK but I bought them new, ready to go with the studs installed.  If you can’t find some like that for your application, chains might be an easier solution or even some of the fabric solutions.  Good luck!
>> 
>> 
>> A gazillion years ago (before the invention of dirt) I wanted to put studded snow tires on my daily driver MGA. (I lived in Massachusetts then.) Tire stores were not allowed to sell studded snow tires. But they could sell snow tires and a package of studs for the DIY'er to install. The tires had a series of holes molded into the tread. The package of studs - they looked like solid rivets - came with an installation tool sort of like a screwdriver handle. Put the stud into the end of the tool, press the head of the stud into the holes molded into the tread and push until they were seated. It was a lot of work but I was young and hearty. As I recall, the studs had to be installed before the tires were driven on - I assume that otherwise the holes might get filled with dirt (a new invention) preventing the studs from being fully seated.
>> 
>> Eric Russell
>> Mebane, NC
>> 
>>  
>> On 12/17/2020 12:51 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>> OK, I'm looking to put studs on my zero turn tractor for when I'm plowing snow. �Is there any 'method' to putting them on? �How many per tire? �Patterns? �The tires are a knobby design and work pretty good in the snow already, but once the snow packs a little to ice, they can't get any bite. �So I figured some studs would be perfect.
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