Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Leaf blower issues...need the elders' advice

From: Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:29:57 -0500

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And to complete this one too:

The leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or
cylinder. I didn't take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only
sells the piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn,
it's garbage and the piston is only sold as part of a short
block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old one and everything else
is new, apparently.

I might take it apart this winter and see if it's the piston or ring--it
hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but I
haven't looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know
what they should be.

The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently.
I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even
look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm off to buy an
Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't available and that
it's so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On the
other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn't used
heavily.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of this
> thing:
>
>
> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html
>
>
> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip into
> insanity.
>
> The past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start it
> as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start. Choke
> to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.
>
> At first it wouldn't start with choke full-on, I had to start it on
> half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.
>
> At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would
> bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it
> never achieved full-power.
>
> Note: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air
> intake on the carb.
>
> This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin', right? So I did.
> Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled.
>
> I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird little
> thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.
>
> Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day.
>
> Now it won't start at all.
>
> There's just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compressed
> air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...there.
>
> What's making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding
> mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similarly
> simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new carb
> and replaced it.
>
>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clean a
> small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine
> carbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were no
> idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with
> a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the one
> that's on there?
>
> I feel like this should be so simple and I'm missing something so basic.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">And to complete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The leaf =
blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. I didn=
&#39;t take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells the pis=
ton and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s garbag=
e and the piston is only sold as part of a short block--literally you pull =
the cylinder off the old one and everything else is new, apparently.</div><=
div><br></div><div>I might take it apart this winter and see if it&#39;s th=
e piston or ring--it hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plasti=
c in the trash--but I haven&#39;t looked to see if the specs are available =
online yet to even know what they should be.</div><div><br></div><div>The t=
akeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently. I tr=
ied to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even look =
at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy an Ec=
ho this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren&#39;t available and that =
it&#39;s so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On =
the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn&#39;=
t used heavily.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">scott.hall.personal@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, t=
he older version of this thing:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.t=
roybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG76=
6.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp=
-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
><div>I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip =
into insanity.</div><div><br></div><div>The past year or so the choke has l=
ost effectiveness--you used to start it as directed: pump the primer bulb a=
 few times, choke on full. Start. Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-=
off.</div><div><br></div><div>At first it wouldn&#39;t start with choke ful=
l-on, I had to start it on half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It=
 would bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. An=
d it never achieved full-power.</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the choke is=
 an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air intake on the carb.</=
div><div><br></div><div>This sounds like something that needs a carb cleani=
n&#39;, right? So I did. Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assem=
bled. </div><div><br></div><div>I also replaced the fuel intake line and fu=
el filter--a weird little thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of th=
e fuel line.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Worked...better. Not back to ne=
w, but better. For a day.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Now it w=
on&#39;t start at all.</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s just not that m=
uch to this carb. I blew it out with compressed air, chased the passages I =
could, etc. There&#39;s just not much there...there.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>What&#39;s making me question my sanity is that this happened on my ridi=
ng mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similar=
ly simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new c=
arb and replaced it.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0So here&#39;s the quest=
ion: what am I doing or not doing that I can&#39;t clean a small engine car=
buretor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine carbs that I&#39;=
m not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were no idle jets, or e=
nrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with a few small ho=
les. What on earth would make the new one better than the one that&#39;s on=
 there?</div><div><br></div><div>I feel like this should be so simple and I=
&#39;m missing something so basic.=C2=A0<br></div></div>
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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:38:04 -0500

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If you need to replace this, you might consider a battery powered model.  I
bought the 60v Dewalt blower last year and I am very happy with it.  I do
not think it is as powerful as the Stihl backpack blower I have used in the
past, but I don't really need it to be either.  It is definitely stronger
than the handheld Ryobi gas powered blower that it replaced.  I only have a
small amount of driveway and sidewalk that I actually blow off, so it suits
my needs just fine.  If you are going to stick with gas, I highly recommend
the Stihl blowers.  They are incredibly powerful and reliable.  I used one
for several years when I was doing grounds maintenance and that thing was
amazing.  Always started easily and would blow hard enough to strip loose
paint off the side of the shed.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 8:41 AM Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt,
> apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them
> would even look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm off
> to buy an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't available
> and that it's so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of
> it. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it
> wasn't used heavily.
>
>> I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of
>> this thing:
>>
>>
>> The past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start
>> it as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start.
>> Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.
>>
>>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clean
>> a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you need to replace this, you might consider a battery =
powered model.=C2=A0 I bought the 60v Dewalt blower last year and I am very=
 happy with it.=C2=A0 I do not think it is as powerful as the Stihl backpac=
k blower I have used in the past, but I don&#39;t really need it to be eith=
er.=C2=A0 It is definitely stronger than the handheld Ryobi gas powered blo=
wer that it replaced.=C2=A0 I only have a small amount of driveway and side=
walk that I actually blow off, so it suits my needs just fine.=C2=A0 If you=
 are going to stick with gas, I highly recommend the Stihl blowers.=C2=A0 T=
hey are incredibly powerful and reliable.=C2=A0 I used one for several year=
s when I was doing grounds maintenance and that thing was amazing.=C2=A0 Al=
ways started easily and would blow hard enough to strip loose paint off the=
 side of the shed.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 8:41 AM Scott Hall &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">And to complete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The leaf blo=
wer had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. I didn&#3=
9;t take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells the piston=
 and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s garbage a=
nd the piston is only sold as part of a short block--literally you pull the=
 cylinder off the old one and everything else is new, apparently.</div><div=
><br></div><div>I might take it apart this winter and see if it&#39;s the p=
iston or ring--it hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic i=
n the trash--but I haven&#39;t looked to see if the specs are available onl=
ine yet to even know what they should be.</div><div><br></div><div>The take=
away here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently. I tried=
 to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even look at =
it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy an Echo =
this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren&#39;t available and that it&=
#39;s so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On the=
 other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn&#39;t u=
sed heavily.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">scott.=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack=
 leaf blower, the older version of this thing:<div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-=
blower/41BR4BEG766.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/l=
eaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html</a>=C2=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise =
me before I slip into insanity.</div><div><br></div><div>The past year or s=
o the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start it as directed: pump =
the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start. Choke to 1/2 until warm,=
 then choke full-off.</div><div><br></div><div>At first it wouldn&#39;t sta=
rt with choke full-on, I had to start it on half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>At the same time, the throttle became more of an =
an/off switch. It would bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full,=
 it would die. And it never achieved full-power.</div><div><br></div><div>N=
ote: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air inta=
ke on the carb.</div><div><br></div><div>This sounds like something that ne=
eds a carb cleanin&#39;, right? So I did. Took it apart, soaked it in carb =
cleaner, re-assembled. </div><div><br></div><div>I also replaced the fuel i=
ntake line and fuel filter--a weird little thing, looks like a pumice stone=
 on the end of the fuel line.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Worked...bette=
r. Not back to new, but better. For a day.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></=
div><div>Now it won&#39;t start at all.</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;=
s just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compressed air, chase=
d the passages I could, etc. There&#39;s just not much there...there.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>What&#39;s making me question my sanity is that this ha=
ppened on my riding mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, =
which was similarly simple and it absolutely would not run again until I ju=
st bought a new carb and replaced it.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0So her=
e&#39;s the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can&#39;t clean a=
 small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine =
carbs that I&#39;m not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were n=
o idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal wi=
th a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the =
one that&#39;s on there?</div><div><br></div><div>I feel like this should b=
e so simple and I&#39;m missing something so basic.=C2=A0<br></div></div>
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I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. The sound and stink o=
f a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99.

I=E2=80=99m a cranky elder...

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes

"Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to ge=
t the facts.=E2=80=9D  - E.B. White

> On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
>=20
> The leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylind=
er. I didn't take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells th=
e piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it's garbag=
e and the piston is only sold as part of a short block--literally you pull t=
he cylinder off the old one and everything else is new, apparently.
>=20
> I might take it apart this winter and see if it's the piston or ring--it h=
urts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but I h=
aven't looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know what=
 they should be.
>=20
> The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently=
. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even l=
ook at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm off to buy an Ech=
o this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't available and that it's s=
o worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On the other, i=
t had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn't used heavily. =20=

>=20
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>> I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of thi=
s thing:
>>=20
>> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-bl=
ower/41BR4BEG766.html=20
>>=20
>> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip into=
 insanity.
>>=20
>> The past year or so the choke has lost effectiveness--you used to start i=
t as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, choke on full. Start. Choke=
 to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.
>>=20
>> At first it wouldn't start with choke full-on, I had to start it on half-=
choke. Then 1/4-ish.=20
>>=20
>> At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would b=
og at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it neve=
r achieved full-power.
>>=20
>> Note: the choke is an actual choke--a plastic plate slides over the air i=
ntake on the carb.
>>=20
>> This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin', right? So I did. T=
ook it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled.
>>=20
>> I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird little thin=
g, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.=20
>>=20
>> Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day. =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> There's just not that much to this carb. I blew it out with compressed ai=
r, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...there.
>>=20
>> What's making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding mo=
wer last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similarly sim=
ple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new carb and=
 replaced it.
>>=20
>>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clean a=
 small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine c=
arbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were no idle=
 jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with a fe=
w small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the one that=
's on there?
>>=20
>> I feel like this should be so simple and I'm missing something so basic.=20=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I bought a battery-powered leaf b=
lower. It works great. The sound and stink of a two-cycle blower drives me r=
ound the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99.</span><div><span style=3D"-webkit-text-s=
ize-adjust: auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgb(255,=
 255, 255);">I=E2=80=99m a <u>cranky</u> elder...<br></span><div style=3D"-w=
ebkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adj=
ust: auto;">- Bill Rabel</div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"=
>&nbsp; Anacortes</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D"p1"><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span class=3D"s1">"Prejudice is a=
 great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts</sp=
an><span class=3D"s2">.=E2=80=9D &nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); font-size: 13pt;">- E.B. White</span></p><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42=
 AM, Scott Hall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockq=
uote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"l=
tr">And to complete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The leaf blower had bad=
 compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. I didn't take it apar=
t to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells the piston and ring and not=
 the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it's garbage and the piston is only s=
old as part of a short block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old on=
e and everything else is new, apparently.</div><div><br></div><div>I might t=
ake it apart this winter and see if it's the piston or ring--it hurts my hea=
rt to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but I haven't look=
ed to see if the specs are available online yet to even know what they shoul=
d be.</div><div><br></div><div>The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT=
 to buy Troy Bilt, apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair=
 it. None of them would even look at it and every single one said to buy an E=
cho. So I'm off to buy an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts are=
n't available and that it's so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several ye=
ars out of it. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly=
 and it wasn't used heavily.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM=
 Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">scott.hall.=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf bl=
ower, the older version of this thing:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https:/=
/www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4=
BEG766.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/t=
b4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html</a>&nbsp;</div><div><br></=
div><div>I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I sli=
p into insanity.</div><div><br></div><div>The past year or so the choke has l=
ost effectiveness--you used to start it as directed: pump the primer bulb a f=
ew times, choke on full. Start. Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off=
.</div><div><br></div><div>At first it wouldn't start with choke full-on, I h=
ad to start it on half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>A=
t the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would bog a=
t anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it never ac=
hieved full-power.</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the choke is an actual cho=
ke--a plastic plate slides over the air intake on the carb.</div><div><br></=
div><div>This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin', right? So I d=
id. Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled. </div><div><br><=
/div><div>I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a weird litt=
le thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.&nbsp;</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Worked...better. Not back to new, but better. For a day.=
&nbsp;&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Now it won't start at all.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>There's just not that much to this carb. I blew it out wit=
h compressed air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much th=
ere...there.</div><div><br></div><div>What's making me question my sanity is=
 that this happened on my riding mower last year too and I similarly cleaned=
 that carb, which was similarly simple and it absolutely would not run again=
 until I just bought a new carb and replaced it.</div><div><br></div><div>&n=
bsp;So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clean a=
 small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small engine c=
arbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were no idle=
 jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with a fe=
w small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the one that=
's on there?</div><div><br></div><div>I feel like this should be so simple a=
nd I'm missing something so basic.&nbsp;<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
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What's the endurance of those battery blowers?  The driveway is probably
400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parking pad in front of the
garage.

In the summers it's just grass clippings after mowing.  Right now, it can
get at least a foot deep in leaves.

(The lot is oddly-shaped and they put the house towards the back of it.)

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:39 AM Bill Rabel <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. The sound and
> stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99=
.
>
> I=E2=80=99m a *cranky* elder...
>
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes
>
> "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to
> get the facts.=E2=80=9D  - E.B. White
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old one and everything els=
e
> hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but=
 I
> apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of the=
m
> would even look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm of=
f
>> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-b=
lower/41BR4BEG766.html
>>
>>
>> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip int=
o
>> air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...the=
re.
>> mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similar=
ly
>> simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new c=
arb
>> a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small eng=
ine
>> idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal w=
ith
>> a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the =
one
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<div dir=3D"auto">What&#39;s the endurance of those battery blowers?=C2=A0 =
The driveway is probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parkin=
g pad in front of the garage.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">In the summers it&#39;s just grass clippings after mowing.=C2=
=A0 Right now, it can get at least a foot deep in leaves.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(The lot is oddly-shaped and =
they put the house towards the back of it.)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:3=
9 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I bought a battery-powere=
d leaf blower. It works great. The sound and stink of a two-cycle blower dr=
ives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=99.</span><div><span style=3D"back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I=E2=80=99m a <u>cranky</u> elder...<br></span>=
<div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>=C2=A0 Anacortes</div><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>&q=
uot;Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having t=
o get the facts</span><span>.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">- E.B. White</span></p>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:=
42 AM, Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">And to complete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The=
 leaf blower had bad compression. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. =
I didn&#39;t take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt only sells t=
he piston and ring and not the cylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s =
garbage and the piston is only sold as part of a short block--literally you=
 pull the cylinder off the old one and everything else is new, apparently.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>I might take it apart this winter and see if it&#3=
9;s the piston or ring--it hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and =
plastic in the trash--but I haven&#39;t looked to see if the specs are avai=
lable online yet to even know what they should be.</div><div><br></div><div=
>The takeaway here for future searchers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently=
. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of them would even=
 look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy=
 an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren&#39;t available and=
 that it&#39;s so worn. On the one hand, I *did* get several years out of i=
t. On the other, it had its oil, filters, etc. changed regularly and it was=
n&#39;t used heavily.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scot=
t Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have =
a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack leaf blower, the older version of this thing:<=
div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/t=
b4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-=
gas-leaf-blower/41BR4BEG766.html</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I need =
intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip into insanity=
.</div><div><br></div><div>The past year or so the choke has lost effective=
ness--you used to start it as directed: pump the primer bulb a few times, c=
hoke on full. Start. Choke to 1/2 until warm, then choke full-off.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>At first it wouldn&#39;t start with choke full-on, I had t=
o start it on half-choke. Then 1/4-ish.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>At t=
he same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It would bog at=
 anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And it never ac=
hieved full-power.</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the choke is an actual ch=
oke--a plastic plate slides over the air intake on the carb.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>This sounds like something that needs a carb cleanin&#39;, right=
? So I did. Took it apart, soaked it in carb cleaner, re-assembled. </div><=
div><br></div><div>I also replaced the fuel intake line and fuel filter--a =
weird little thing, looks like a pumice stone on the end of the fuel line.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Worked...better. Not back to new, but bette=
r. For a day.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Now it won&#39;t sta=
rt at all.</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s just not that much to this =
carb. I blew it out with compressed air, chased the passages I could, etc. =
There&#39;s just not much there...there.</div><div><br></div><div>What&#39;=
s making me question my sanity is that this happened on my riding mower las=
t year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was similarly simple an=
d it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new carb and repl=
aced it.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0So here&#39;s the question: what am=
 I doing or not doing that I can&#39;t clean a small engine carburetor? Is =
there some secret air passage on small engine carbs that I&#39;m not reachi=
ng? I tool them completely apart. There were no idle jets, or enrichment ci=
rcuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal with a few small holes. What on=
 earth would make the new one better than the one that&#39;s on there?</div=
><div><br></div><div>I feel like this should be so simple and I&#39;m missi=
ng something so basic.=C2=A0<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
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Depends on which battery you get.  I have the 60v 9ah battery.  I can run
it for about 30mins (all I need to do) and it is still about 1/3 charge.
They make a 12ah battery if you need additional capacity, but it is VERY
expensive.  You can get two of the 9ah batteries for about the same price.
You'd have to swap but get more capacity for less money.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:59 AM Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>> stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just sayin=E2=80=
=99.
>> "Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having t=
o
>> cylinder. I didn't take it apart to find out which because Troy Bilt onl=
y
>> block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old one and everything el=
se
>> hurts my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--bu=
t I
>> apparently. I tried to take it to shops locally to repair it. None of th=
em
>> would even look at it and every single one said to buy an Echo. So I'm o=
ff
>> to buy an Echo this morning. Also disappointed the parts aren't availabl=
e
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall <[email-masked]=
m>
>>> https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-=
blower/41BR4BEG766.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I need intelligent more experienced folks to advise me before I slip
>>> into insanity.
>>>
>>> At the same time, the throttle became more of an an/off switch. It woul=
d
>>> bog at anything other than idle. If I open it full, it would die. And i=
t
>>> air, chased the passages I could, etc. There's just not much there...th=
ere.
>>> mower last year too and I similarly cleaned that carb, which was simila=
rly
>>> simple and it absolutely would not run again until I just bought a new =
carb
>>> and replaced it.
>>>
>>>  So here's the question: what am I doing or not doing that I can't clea=
n
>>> a small engine carburetor? Is there some secret air passage on small en=
gine
>>> carbs that I'm not reaching? I tool them completely apart. There were n=
o
>>> idle jets, or enrichment circuits, or...whatever. Just a hunk of metal =
with
>>> a few small holes. What on earth would make the new one better than the=
 one
>>> that's on there?
>>>
>>> I feel like this should be so simple and I'm missing something so basic=
.
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmai=
l.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends on which battery you get.=C2=A0 I have the 60v 9ah=
 battery.=C2=A0 I can run it for about 30mins (all I need to do) and it is =
still about 1/3 charge.=C2=A0 They make a 12ah battery if you need addition=
al capacity, but it is VERY expensive.=C2=A0 You can get two of the 9ah bat=
teries for about the same price.=C2=A0 You&#39;d have to swap but get more =
capacity for less money.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:59 AM Scott Hall &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">scott.hall.personal@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">What&#39;s the endurance of those battery blowers?=
=C2=A0 The driveway is probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of=
 parking pad in front of the garage.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">In the summers it&#39;s just grass clippings after mowin=
g.=C2=A0 Right now, it can get at least a foot deep in leaves.=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(The lot is oddly-shaped=
 and they put the house towards the back of it.)</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020=
, 10:39 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"background-color:=
rgb(255,255,255)">I bought a battery-powered leaf blower. It works great. T=
he sound and stink of a two-cycle blower drives me round the bend. Just say=
in=E2=80=99.</span><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><=
br></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I=E2=
=80=99m a <u>cranky</u> elder...<br></span><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel=
</div><div>=C2=A0 Anacortes</div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><p><span style=3D"bac=
kground-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span>&quot;Prejudice is a great time sa=
ver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts</span><span>.=E2=
=80=9D =C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255=
,0);font-size:13pt">- E.B. White</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 24, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">And to co=
mplete this one too:<div><br></div><div>The leaf blower had bad compression=
. Either a worn ring, piston, or cylinder. I didn&#39;t take it apart to fi=
nd out which because Troy Bilt only sells the piston and ring and not the c=
ylinder--if the cylinder is worn, it&#39;s garbage and the piston is only s=
old as part of a short block--literally you pull the cylinder off the old o=
ne and everything else is new, apparently.</div><div><br></div><div>I might=
 take it apart this winter and see if it&#39;s the piston or ring--it hurts=
 my heart to just toss that much metal and plastic in the trash--but I have=
n&#39;t looked to see if the specs are available online yet to even know wh=
at they should be.</div><div><br></div><div>The takeaway here for future se=
archers is NOT to buy Troy Bilt, apparently. I tried to take it to shops lo=
cally to repair it. None of them would even look at it and every single one=
 said to buy an Echo. So I&#39;m off to buy an Echo this morning. Also disa=
ppointed the parts aren&#39;t available and that it&#39;s so worn. On the o=
ne hand, I *did* get several years out of it. On the other, it had its oil,=
 filters, etc. changed regularly and it wasn&#39;t used heavily.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">scott.ha=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a Troy Bilt 4-cycle backpack l=
eaf blower, the older version of this thing:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"=
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/leaf-blowers/tb4bp-ec-backpack-gas-leaf-blow=
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From: Jimmie Mayfield <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:59:06 -0400

You have to look at the battery size. You can't simply compare amp-hours 
because, unlike most power tools where 12V and 18V are pretty much 
standard across different manufacturers, outdoor power equipment uses a 
variety of voltages...18V, 36V, 40V, 56V, 60V, 80V...and I think there 
are a few 120V designs out there now.  Instead, you can compare 
Watt-hours which is the amount of energy the battery contains.

For example, my 5Ah 56V Ego batteries contain about 280 Watt-hours of 
energy, a 12Ah 18V Milwaukee battery contains 216 Watt-hours, etc.

Runtime also depends on how hard you drive the motor.  If you're running 
them at wide-open, they're not going to last very long because their 
brushless motors can draw a lot of power.  I've read that Ego's motors 
are rated north of 2000 Watts.  So based on those numbers, I could 
probably expect less than 10 minutes at wide open ~600 cfm from the 
blower.  The reality, though, I rarely find that I need to run it wide 
open. Leaves a foot-deep would  would probably be a problem though, 
especially if they're wet.

Here's an alternate solution that I use...even on my lawn:  use a 
pressure washer with the fan spray nozzle.   I find that it works far 
better and faster than any leaf blower that I've ever used, gas or 
otherwise.  It's also effective for slowing traffic on my street as 
drivers do a double-take to watch the guy pressure-washing his lawn.

On 2020-10-24 11:46, Scott Hall wrote:
> What's the endurance of those battery blowers? The driveway is 
> probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parking pad in 
> front of the garage.
>
> In the summers it's just grass clippings after mowing.  Right now, it 
> can get at least a foot deep in leaves.
>

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I had a Troy-Bilt 4-cycle "engine on a stick" that came with a blower and
weed whacker attachments. I liked the concept enough that I purchased the
rototiller and pole saw attachments.

Flash forward 4 years or so, and I had similar issues with the engine, and
eventually took it to a small engine shop that disassembled it, declared it
"partially seized" and gave it back to me as a pile of parts.

Needless to say, I was underwhelmed both by their attitude about it and by
the lack of longevity with the device, especially given the investment in
attachments.

I ended up buying a Stihl "engine on a stick", and was quite happy to
discover that it was perfectly compatible with the Troy-Bilt attachments.
It is a two-stroke, but it uses a very high fuel:oil ratio, so it isn't too
bad on the stink-factor.

That made me happy enough that I ended up buying a Stihl MS250 chainsaw.
Unfortunately, it leaks bar oil like a sieve, so I need to take it back to
Ace Hardware and have them take care of that.

As far as battery-powered blowers are concerned, I think the 40V+ blowers
will give you plenty of volume and reasonable longevity. Get a second
battery if you're concerned it won't last long enough. I wouldn't advise it
for clearing a 0.5 acre lawn with lots of trees, but the Ryobi 40V my
parents have does quite well. My 18V Ryobi ONE+ blower doesn't have nearly
the output nor the longevity - but it only came with a 2Ah battery. The 4Ah
battery would certainly help it run longer, but it still lacks the oomph
for heavier amounts of leaves.

-Peter

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:00 PM Jimmie Mayfield <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had a Troy-Bilt 4-cycle &quot;engine on a stick&quot; th=
at came with a blower and weed whacker attachments. I liked the concept eno=
ugh that I purchased the rototiller and pole saw attachments.<div><br></div=
><div>Flash forward 4 years or so, and I had similar issues with the engine=
, and eventually took it to a small engine shop that disassembled it, decla=
red it &quot;partially seized&quot; and gave it back to me as a pile of par=
ts.</div><div><br></div><div>Needless to say, I was underwhelmed both by th=
eir attitude about it and by the lack of longevity with the device, especia=
lly given the investment in attachments.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I e=
nded up buying a Stihl &quot;engine on a stick&quot;, and was quite happy t=
o discover that it was perfectly compatible with the Troy-Bilt attachments.=
 It is a two-stroke, but it uses a very high fuel:oil ratio, so it isn&#39;=
t too bad on the stink-factor.</div><div><br></div><div>That made me happy =
enough that I ended up buying a Stihl MS250 chainsaw. Unfortunately, it lea=
ks bar oil like a sieve, so I need to take it back to Ace Hardware and have=
 them take care of that.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as battery-powered=
 blowers are concerned, I think the 40V+ blowers will give you plenty of vo=
lume and reasonable longevity. Get a second battery if you&#39;re concerned=
 it won&#39;t last long enough. I wouldn&#39;t advise it for clearing a 0.5=
 acre lawn with lots of trees, but the Ryobi 40V my parents have does quite=
 well. My 18V Ryobi ONE+ blower doesn&#39;t have nearly the output nor the =
longevity - but it only came with a 2Ah battery. The 4Ah battery would cert=
ainly help it run longer, but it still lacks the oomph for heavier amounts =
of leaves.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div><div><br></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct =
24, 2020 at 2:00 PM Jimmie Mayfield &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mayfield%2Bshopta=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">You have to look at the ba=
ttery size. You can&#39;t simply compare amp-hours <br>
because, unlike most power tools where 12V and 18V are pretty much <br>
standard across different manufacturers, outdoor power equipment uses a <br=
variety of voltages...18V, 36V, 40V, 56V, 60V, 80V...and I think there <br>
are a few 120V designs out there now.=C2=A0 Instead, you can compare <br>
Watt-hours which is the amount of energy the battery contains.<br>
<br>
For example, my 5Ah 56V Ego batteries contain about 280 Watt-hours of <br>
energy, a 12Ah 18V Milwaukee battery contains 216 Watt-hours, etc.<br>
<br>
Runtime also depends on how hard you drive the motor.=C2=A0 If you&#39;re r=
unning <br>
them at wide-open, they&#39;re not going to last very long because their <b=
r>
brushless motors can draw a lot of power.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read that Ego&#39;=
s motors <br>
are rated north of 2000 Watts.=C2=A0 So based on those numbers, I could <br=
probably expect less than 10 minutes at wide open ~600 cfm from the <br>
blower.=C2=A0 The reality, though, I rarely find that I need to run it wide=
 <br>
open. Leaves a foot-deep would=C2=A0 would probably be a problem though, <b=
r>
especially if they&#39;re wet.<br>
<br>
Here&#39;s an alternate solution that I use...even on my lawn:=C2=A0 use a =
<br>
pressure washer with the fan spray nozzle.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I find that it works=
 far <br>
better and faster than any leaf blower that I&#39;ve ever used, gas or <br>
otherwise.=C2=A0 It&#39;s also effective for slowing traffic on my street a=
s <br>
drivers do a double-take to watch the guy pressure-washing his lawn.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2020-10-24 11:46, Scott Hall wrote:<br>
&gt; What&#39;s the endurance of those battery blowers? The driveway is <br=
&gt; probably 400 feet all in, plus maybe 1000 sq. ft. of parking pad in <b=
r>
&gt; front of the garage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In the summers it&#39;s just grass clippings after mowing.=C2=A0 Right=
 now, it <br>
&gt; can get at least a foot deep in leaves.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (The lot is oddly-shaped and they put the house towards the back of it=
.)<br>
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