Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removing security screws

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:49:11 -0500

Several things to try. 

Check with neighbors to see if any if them have the same locks. If so, maybe they remember who installed them. 

Contact a locksmith to see if they can make a key to match. 

You might be able to super glue a matching tool to the screw & unscrew it. Be careful to not glue the tool to the latch!

Drill into the latch around the screws & break the latch away. 

Peace,
Pat
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wrote:

New house was a foreclosure.  It was 'secured' at some point.  One of the security features was locking sash latches in all the windows.  They did not leave a key to those locks.  The sash latches are secured with security/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.  

They're also pretty hard and so close to the window pane itself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn't working.  And they're small enough that just grabbing them with a needle-nose vice grip isn't working either.  

Any advice before I do something stupid and screw up what we're some nice windows before the idiots got involved?

Scott
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There are tools that will remove those screws.  The locksmith in a
department I worked with years ago had a tool like the one in this
article.  He didn't use it very often but it worked for him.
https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infoneway.html

Here's another article with a better picture of the tool and a couple other
suggestions.  You might be able to cut a slot that a regular screwdriver
can grip.
https://www.insight-security.com/how-to-remove-one-way-screws

Randy

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> New house was a foreclosure.  It was 'secured' at some point.  One of the
> security features was locking sash latches in all the windows.  They did
> not leave a key to those locks.  The sash latches are secured with
> security/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.
>
> They're also pretty hard and so close to the window pane itself that
> drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn't working.  And they're small
> enough that just grabbing them with a needle-nose vice grip isn't working
> either.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">There are tools that will remove those screws.=C2=A0 The l=
ocksmith in a department I worked with years ago had a tool like the one in=
 this article.=C2=A0 He didn&#39;t use it very often=C2=A0but it worked for=
 him.=C2=A0<div><div><a href=3D"https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffast=
ener/infoneway.html">https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infone=
way.html</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Here&#39;s another article =
with a better picture of the tool and a couple other suggestions.=C2=A0 You=
 might be able to cut a slot that a regular screwdriver can grip.=C2=A0</di=
v><div><a href=3D"https://www.insight-security.com/how-to-remove-one-way-sc=
rews">https://www.insight-security.com/how-to-remove-one-way-screws</a><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Randy</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at=
 8:42 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">New house was a foreclosure.=
=C2=A0 It was &#39;secured&#39; at some point.=C2=A0 One of the security fe=
atures was locking sash latches in all the windows.=C2=A0 They did not leav=
e a key to those locks.=C2=A0 The sash latches are secured with security/on=
e-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">They&#39;re also pretty hard and so close to the =
window pane itself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn&#39;t wo=
rking.=C2=A0 And they&#39;re small enough that just grabbing them with a ne=
edle-nose vice grip isn&#39;t working either.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Any advice before I do something stupid a=
nd screw up what we&#39;re some nice windows before the idiots got involved=
?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott</div></div>
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 21:58:02 -0400

Are the screw heads recessed? If not, there are tools similar to a 
socket that one hammers onto the screw head. Think mini wheel lock remover.

More ideas: https://youtu.be/eC4dyHchnM0 <https://youtu.be/eC4dyHchnM0>

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 10/21/2020 9:35 PM, Scott Hall wrote:
> New house was a foreclosure.  It was 'secured' at some point.  One of 
> the security features was locking sash latches in all the windows.  
> They did not leave a key to those locks.  The sash latches are secured 
> with security/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:12:03 -0700

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Some ideas:

- Use a rotary tool or hacksaw and cut a slot in the screwdriver to use 
a regular flat blade screwdriver.
- Take a file and file off two sides of the screw so the vice grips can 
get a better bite on the screw head.  If it is tight, you may have to do 
this a second time so you essentially have a square headed screw.
- Drill progressively bigger holes in the head of the screw until it 
comes off the pull off the latch then use vice grips on the screw shaft.
- Slice through the latch and cut off the screw head then use vice grips 
on the screw shaft.
- Use a small pair of curved jaw vice grips and clamp them as absolutely 
tight as you can.  Use a bit of 2x4 to push the vice grips down as you 
tighten them and turn them to keep the vice grips from riding up.

Good luck.  Had to do this with window bars and a rusty security door.

Brian

On 10/21/2020 6:35 PM, Scott Hall wrote:
> drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn't working.  And they're 
> small enough that just grabbing them with a needle-nose vice grip 
> isn't working either.
>
> Any advice before I do something stupid and screw up what we're some 
> nice windows before the idiots got involved?
>
> Scott
>
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    Some ideas:<br>
    <br>
    - Use a rotary tool or hacksaw and cut a slot in the screwdriver to
    use a regular flat blade screwdriver.<br>
    - Take a file and file off two sides of the screw so the vice grips
    can get a better bite on the screw head.  If it is tight, you may
    have to do this a second time so you essentially have a square
    headed screw.<br>
    - Drill progressively bigger holes in the head of the screw until it
    comes off the pull off the latch then use vice grips on the screw
    shaft.<br>
    - Slice through the latch and cut off the screw head then use vice
    grips on the screw shaft.<br>
    - Use a small pair of curved jaw vice grips and clamp them as
    absolutely tight as you can.  Use a bit of 2x4 to push the vice
    grips down as you tighten them and turn them to keep the vice grips
    from riding up.<br>
    <br>
    Good luck.  Had to do this with window bars and a rusty security
    door.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
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      <div dir="auto">New house was a foreclosure.  It was 'secured' at
        some point.  One of the security features was locking sash
        latches in all the windows.  They did not leave a key to those
        locks.  The sash latches are secured with security/one-way
        screws that cannot just be unscrewed.  
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">They're also pretty hard and so close to the
          window pane itself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit
          isn't working.  And they're small enough that just grabbing
          them with a needle-nose vice grip isn't working either.  </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Any advice before I do something stupid and
          screw up what we're some nice windows before the idiots got
          involved?</div>
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        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Scott</div>
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How are your welding skills?  If the screw is steel, and you have a mig
welder, you can weld a nut onto the head of the screw and remove it quite
easily.  THe trick here is to choose a nut whose inside diameter is just
slightly larger than the crew head.  This gives you a very nice little cup
to weld in.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">How are your welding skills?=C2=A0 If the screw is steel, =
and you have a mig welder, you can weld a nut onto the head of the screw an=
d remove it quite easily.=C2=A0 THe trick here is to choose a nut whose ins=
ide diameter is just slightly larger than the crew head.=C2=A0 This gives y=
ou a very nice little cup to weld in.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:42 PM Sc=
ott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">scott.hall.pe=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">New house was a foreclosure.=C2=A0 It was=
 &#39;secured&#39; at some point.=C2=A0 One of the security features was lo=
cking sash latches in all the windows.=C2=A0 They did not leave a key to th=
ose locks.=C2=A0 The sash latches are secured with security/one-way screws =
that cannot just be unscrewed.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">They&#39;re also pretty hard and so close to the window pane i=
tself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn&#39;t working.=C2=A0 =
And they&#39;re small enough that just grabbing them with a needle-nose vic=
e grip isn&#39;t working either.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Any advice before I do something stupid and screw up w=
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At 09:52 PM 10/21/2020, RandE wrote:

 >There are tools that will remove those screws. 
The locksmith in a department I
 >worked with years ago had a tool like the one 
in this article.=C2  He didn't use it very
 >often but it worked for him.
 >
 ><https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infoneway.html>https://w=
ww.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infoneway.html

Everything I have seen is talking about using 
vise grips.  Not a bad idea.  But I had
tried to undo various screws with vise grips, and 
have had them slip off a lot.  Try
using a pair if dikes.  I've had a lot of luck as 
the can bit into the head and really
grib.  May or may not work, but I have had very good success with this meth=
od.

John

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He didn't use it very <br>
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https://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/inffastener/infoneway.html</a><br><br>
Everything I have seen is talking about using vise grips.&nbsp; Not a bad
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tried to undo various screws with vise grips, and have had them slip off
a lot.&nbsp; Try<br>
using a pair if dikes.&nbsp; I've had a lot of luck as the can bit into
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grib.&nbsp; May or may not work, but I have had very good success with
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Oddly enough, I got a link to this today...One application is removing
stubborn/anti-tamper screws

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Oddly enough, I got a link to this today...One application=
 is removing stubborn/anti-tamper screws<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http=
s://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/</a=
><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:42 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"au=
to">New house was a foreclosure.=C2=A0 It was &#39;secured&#39; at some poi=
nt.=C2=A0 One of the security features was locking sash latches in all the =
windows.=C2=A0 They did not leave a key to those locks.=C2=A0 The sash latc=
hes are secured with security/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">They&#39;re also =
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:52:00 -0500

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Wow $40 for a pair of pliers.  Maybe worth it if they work, but pretty
steep to take a chance on...

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wow $40 for a pair of pliers.=C2=A0 Maybe worth it if they=
 work, but pretty steep to take a chance on...<br></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2=
:00 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fishplate=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Oddly enough, I got a link to this today...One =
application is removing stubborn/anti-tamper screws<div><br></div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/" target=3D"_blank">https://www=
.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:42 PM Sco=
tt Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">New house was a foreclos=
ure.=C2=A0 It was &#39;secured&#39; at some point.=C2=A0 One of the securit=
y features was locking sash latches in all the windows.=C2=A0 They did not =
leave a key to those locks.=C2=A0 The sash latches are secured with securit=
y/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">They&#39;re also pretty hard and so close to =
the window pane itself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn&#39;=
t working.=C2=A0 And they&#39;re small enough that just grabbing them with =
a needle-nose vice grip isn&#39;t working either.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Any advice before I do something stup=
id and screw up what we&#39;re some nice windows before the idiots got invo=
lved?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott</div></div>
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Eventual solution: a combination of several things.

1) use Demel to cut a deeper flat into the screw head, unscrew like a
normal screw.
2) press down REALLY HARD with flat-blade screwdriver into security screw
head, eke out 1/4 turn at a time.
3) needle-nose vice grips.

Two came out using #2. The rest were #1.There were four screws per window
and...a lot of windows. The stupidest thing about this is that the latch
locks closed over one of the screw heads--so you can't access that screw
until it unlocks. You can, however, just break off the latch handle with a
pair of pliers very easily. This also removes the latch tooth, allowing you
to open the window. So as a security feature those latches are pretty
useless.

FWIW, I remembered I had a security screw removal set of bits, including
the "fork" bits that are supposed to work on those security screws. I
couldn't get them to work--they just cammed out like a regular flat-blade.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> the security features was locking sash latches in all the windows.  They
>>> did not leave a key to those locks.  The sash latches are secured with

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Eventual solution: a combination of several things.</=
div><div><br></div><div>1) use Demel to cut a deeper flat into the screw he=
ad, unscrew like a normal screw.</div><div>2) press down REALLY HARD with f=
lat-blade screwdriver into security screw head, eke out 1/4 turn at a time.=
</div><div>3) needle-nose vice grips.</div><div><br></div><div>Two came out=
 using #2. The rest were #1.There were four screws per window and...a lot o=
f windows. The stupidest thing about this is that the latch locks closed ov=
er one of the screw heads--so you can&#39;t access that screw until it unlo=
cks. You can, however, just break off the latch handle with a pair of plier=
s very easily. This also removes the latch tooth, allowing you to open the =
window. So as a security feature those latches are pretty useless.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I remembered I had a security screw removal se=
t of bits, including the &quot;fork&quot; bits that are supposed to work on=
 those security screws. I couldn&#39;t get them to work--they just cammed o=
ut like a regular flat-blade.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM John Innis &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Wo=
w $40 for a pair of pliers.=C2=A0 Maybe worth it if they work, but pretty s=
teep to take a chance on...<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:00 PM Jeff Scarbro=
ugh &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fishplate@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Oddly enough, I got a link to this today...One =
application is removing stubborn/anti-tamper screws<div><br></div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/" target=3D"_blank">https://www=
.amazon.com/dp/B00LMOAYR2/</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:42 PM Sco=
tt Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">New house was a foreclos=
ure.=C2=A0 It was &#39;secured&#39; at some point.=C2=A0 One of the securit=
y features was locking sash latches in all the windows.=C2=A0 They did not =
leave a key to those locks.=C2=A0 The sash latches are secured with securit=
y/one-way screws that cannot just be unscrewed.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">They&#39;re also pretty hard and so close to =
the window pane itself that drilling them with a reverse drill bit isn&#39;=
t working.=C2=A0 And they&#39;re small enough that just grabbing them with =
a needle-nose vice grip isn&#39;t working either.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Any advice before I do something stup=
id and screw up what we&#39;re some nice windows before the idiots got invo=
lved?</div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>
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