Subject: [Shop-talk] building off of a vinyl siding wall

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:05:35 -0500

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we built an addition onto the house and=20
it's covered in standard run of the mill vinyl siding.  Off that we bu=
ilt a 12wx10d p.t. deck.  The deck is accessed by a double French door=
 with only one moving door.  I either want to=20
add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof=
=2E..  The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't=20
offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to.  What is the approved=
 method=20
for attaching something
permanent to a vinyl sided wall.  There is particle board beneath the =
siding=20
and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but=
 don't=20
know about the siding  and attaching over it...  Suggestions ??  the p=
ic is
not the actual wall just a sample of what it is.

john

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:22:08 -0500

John, several options bit you should run them by your local building officials. 

1. Remove the siding where the roof/awning is to be attached & mount the edge of the roof/awning to the sheathing. You might need tar paper or a membrane behind it. Put flashing behind the upper siding & onto the roof/awning. 

2. Drill some oversized holes through the siding & add spacers through the holes & secure the roof/ awning with lag bolts. There should be an air space between the siding & the roof framing. Flash as above. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Sep 24, 2020, at 9:06 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of the mill vinyl siding.  Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck.  The deck is accessed by a double French door with only one moving door.  I either want to
add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof...  The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to.  What is the approved method for attaching something
permanent to a vinyl sided wall.  There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding  and attaching over it...  Suggestions ??  the pic is
not the actual wall just a sample of what it is.
 
john

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:23:26 -0500

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Typically you would remove enough siding to allow the header to attach
directly to the wallboard.  Normally siding edging (as shown in your
example photo around the outlet) is used to maintain a waterproof boarder
around the header board.   It is also a good idea to put a bead a caulk
around and behind the header board.  We used Azak(sp?) to make a header
that was low maintenance.

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> we built an addition onto the house and it's covered in standard run of
> the mill vinyl siding.  Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck.  The deck is
> accessed by a double French door with only one moving door.  I either want
> to
> add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof...
> The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to
> attach a header to.  What is the approved method for attaching something
> permanent to a vinyl sided wall.  There is particle board beneath the
> siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use
> but don't know about the siding  and attaching over it...  Suggestions ??
> the pic is
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Typically you would remove enough siding to allow the head=
er to attach directly to the wallboard.=C2=A0 Normally siding edging (as sh=
own in your example photo around the outlet) is used to maintain a waterpro=
of boarder around the header board.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It is also a good idea to p=
ut a bead a caulk around and behind the header board.=C2=A0 We used Azak(sp=
?) to make a header that was low maintenance.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
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un of the mill vinyl siding.=C2=A0 Off that we built a 12wx10d p.t. deck.=
=C2=A0 The deck is accessed by a double French door with only one moving do=
or.=C2=A0 I either want to </div>
<div>add an awning over the door or maybe cover the entire deck with a roof=
...=C2=A0 The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn&#39;t offer a nice f=
lat surface to attach a header to.=C2=A0 What is the approved method for at=
taching something</div>
<div>permanent to a vinyl sided wall.=C2=A0 There is particle board beneath=
 the siding and of course it&#39;s a studded wall so I have a sound surface=
 to use but don&#39;t know about the siding=C2=A0 and attaching over it...=
=C2=A0 Suggestions ??=C2=A0 the pic is</div>
<div>not the actual wall just a sample of what it is.</div>
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:06:40 -0500

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 21:05, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> The vinyl siding copies lap siding and doesn't offer a nice flat surface to attach a header to.  What is the approved method for attaching something
> permanent to a vinyl sided wall. 

You must remove the siding.  Failing to do so means you can’t flash properly, and can result in failure of the bolts holding the header on. They become loaded in a bending moment, not plain shear. 

> There is particle board beneath the siding and of course it's a studded wall so I have a sound surface to use but don't know about the siding  and attaching over it...  Suggestions ??  the pic is
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