Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:08:17 -0500

I’d respond to the OP but he’ll get a copy of this. 

I’d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn’t think a trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
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On Aug 12, 2020, at 10:02 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

It does make sense to use a radiator of some kind to cool the air so the water vapor condenses. You might want to investigate whether passive cooling will be enough, or whether you will need to have a fan moving air across the radiator. Obviously, if it heat sinks as it absorbs the heat from the compressed air it will lose efficiency in condensing water out of the air.

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All the best,

Al Fuller

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Darrell Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:07 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

Yes, the objective is to reduce moisture.  I don’t have a lot of space for long runs of iron pipe, so I’m looking at using a transmission radiator.

The compressor arrived today (one advantage of getting it from Lowes, they had some in stock).  And the delivery guys even put it into the garage for me (gave them a nice tip since I didn’t have to drag it up the driveway).

My wife’s reaction was similar to what someone else reported, “that’s big”.

-Darrell

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:20 PM, <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> What are you trying to accomplish with the aftercooler?
> 
> If it is to get water/vapor out of the compressed air, consider using iron pipe for distribution. The pipe should cool down the water vaper and allow it to condense and flow to a low point for removal.
> 
> ----------------
> All the best,
> 
> Al Fuller
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of 
> Darrell Walker
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 8:14 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor
> 
> 
> I thought I’d update you all on my compressor search.  I purchased the Kobalt 60 gallon, two-stage from Lowe’s.  It mostly came down to the weight of the Quincy unit, not sure I could handle a nearly 500 lb compressor, and getting anyone to help is problematic.
> 
> Now I’m researching after-coolers.  I’ve found several ideal using a transmission cooler.  I understand that putting it between the compressor and the tank is most effective, but I’m a little hesitant to start re-plumbing my brand new compressor.  So I may install it on the outflow.  I’ve seen other designs using a series of pipe loops, but space is a bit of concern, so the transmission cooler with a fan to cool is more inline with what I can install.
> 
> Any thoughts or experience on aftercoolers would be appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Darrell
> 
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:12:09 -0400

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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:08 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cool=
er
> because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think =
a trans
> cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi.

An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.  It even has
"condenser" in the name....

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>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
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I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler=
 because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think a=
 trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi. </blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.=C2=A0=
 It even has &quot;condenser&quot; in the name....=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:26:54 +0000 (UTC)

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 That's a clever idea.=C2=A0 It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good =
for the pressure.=C2=A0 But it could restrict air flow.=C2=A0 Most are just=
 a long, serpentine tube with fins.=C2=A0 It all depends on what air tools =
you are using.=C2=A0 It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabi=
net through it.=C2=A0 But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass=
 the cooler and save the dry air for the tools that need it.
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Dave=20

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler=
 because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think a=
 trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi.=20

An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.=C2=A0 It even has "c=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That's a clever idea.&nbsp; It is an excellent heat =
exchanger and is good for the pressure.&nbsp; But it could restrict air flo=
w.&nbsp; Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.&nbsp; It all depe=
nds on what air tools you are using.&nbsp; It is possible that you couldn't=
 run a sand blast cabinet through it.&nbsp; But you could hook up the high =
volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tools that n=
eed it.</font><br>
</div>

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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor<br>
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I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler=
 because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think a=
 trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi. </blockquote></div=

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.&nbsp; It even h=
as "condenser" in the name....&nbsp;</div>
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Good point.  I hadn't thought of air flow rate.  Hook several in parallel?

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> That's a clever idea.  It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good for
> the pressure.  But it could restrict air flow.  Most are just a long,
> serpentine tube with fins.  It all depends on what air tools you are
> using.  It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet through
> it.  But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass the cooler and
> save the dry air for the tools that need it.
>
> Dave
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.=C2=A0 I hadn&#39;t thought of air flow rate.=
=C2=A0 Hook several in parallel?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASS=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That&#39;s a clever idea.=C2=A0 It is an excellent h=
eat exchanger and is good for the pressure.=C2=A0 But it could restrict air=
 flow.=C2=A0 Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.=C2=A0 It all =
depends on what air tools you are using.=C2=A0 It is possible that you coul=
dn&#39;t run a sand blast cabinet through it.=C2=A0 But you could hook up t=
he high volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tool=
s that need it.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am<br>
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I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler=
 because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think a=
 trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi. </blockquote></div=

<div>An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.=C2=A0 It even h=
as &quot;condenser&quot; in the name....=C2=A0</div>
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From: Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
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The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked =
plate=E2=80=9D design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.  It says it =
has a 29,200 BTU rating:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274

I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through it as well.

Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compressor =
and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.

=
https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moist=
ure/ =
<https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-mois=
ture/>

-Darrell

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Good point.  I hadn't thought of air flow rate.  Hook several in =
parallel?
>=20
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked] =
> That's a clever idea.  It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good =
for the pressure.  But it could restrict air flow.  Most are just a =
long, serpentine tube with fins.  It all depends on what air tools you =
are using.  It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet =
through it.  But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass the =
cooler and save the dry air for the tools that need it.
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked] =
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:08 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked] =
>=20
> I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr =
cooler because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t =
think a trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi.
>=20
> An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.  It even has =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m =
looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=80=9D design, and has a pressure =
rating of 200 PSI. &nbsp;It says it has a&nbsp;29,200 BTU rating:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274" =
class=3D"">https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274</a><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I do =
plan to put a small box fan to blow through it as well.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here are some pictures, =
but these all seem to be between the compressor and tank, mine will be =
mounted on the wall after the tank.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-=
on-moisture/" =
class=3D"">https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-do=
wn-on-moisture/</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">-Darrell</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Good point.&nbsp; I hadn't thought of air flow rate.&nbsp; =
Hook several in parallel?</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug =
12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D""> <font size=3D"3" class=3D"">That's a clever idea.&nbsp; =
It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good for the pressure.&nbsp; =
But it could restrict air flow.&nbsp; Most are just a long, serpentine =
tube with fins.&nbsp; It all depends on what air tools you are =
using.&nbsp; It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet =
through it.&nbsp; But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass =
the cooler and save the dry air for the tools that need it.</font><br =
class=3D"">
</div>

<div class=3D""> <br class=3D"">
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<div style=3D"clear:both" class=3D""><font size=3D"4" class=3D"">Dave =
</font><br class=3D"">
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I would highly recommend it be between the compressor and the tank.

My, possibly faulty, logic.

The air coming from the compressor is really hot. This would enhance the differential temperature between the radiator and the cooling air would be at it's largest point. It would seem to make the radiator work as efficiently as possible. In my case, 175 psi two stage, the input is over 200f and the output seems to be close to 100f. The fan is blowing 70f room air over a 200f+ radiator.

The air would now be cooler as it enters the tank and hopefully most of the condensation that is going to take place would be in the tank. Great for one-place-to-drain.

No matter what the air will also cool while it is in the tank. This is a good thing for condensation but it also means that, if the radiator comes after the tank, the radiator will see considerably lower incoming air temperatures. On my compressor the air coming out of the tank is often room temperature and is seldom more than 10 degrees above room temperature. Therefore a radiator after the tank would not have a huge differential to work with. At best it would be blowing 70f air over a 90f radiator. Plus there is now need to have a local drain for the condensation it might produce.

My thought is between the compressor and the tank, a condensate filter\water separator and additional filters after the tank and then drains below coupling on the drops.

Just my thought,

Arvid

On 8/12/20 10:53 AM, Darrell Walker wrote:
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> The transmission cooler I’m looking to use is a "stacked plate” design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.  It says it has a 29,200 BTU rating:
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> Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.
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> https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/
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> -Darrell
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>>     That's a clever idea.  It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good for the pressure.  But it could restrict air flow.  Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.  It all depends on what air tools you are using.  It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet through it.  But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tools that need it.
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>>     Dave
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    <p>I would highly recommend it be between the compressor and the
      tank.</p>
    <p>My, possibly faulty, logic.</p>
    <p>The air coming from the compressor is really hot. This would
      enhance the differential temperature between the radiator and the
      cooling air would be at it's largest point. It would seem to make
      the radiator work as efficiently as possible. In my case, 175 psi
      two stage, the input is over 200f and the output seems to be close
      to 100f. The fan is blowing 70f room air over a 200f+ radiator.<br>
    </p>
    <p>The air would now be cooler as it enters the tank and hopefully
      most of the condensation that is going to take place would be in
      the tank. Great for one-place-to-drain.</p>
    <p>No matter what the air will also cool while it is in the tank.
      This is a good thing for condensation but it also means that, if
      the radiator comes after the tank, the radiator will see
      considerably lower incoming air temperatures. On my compressor the
      air coming out of the tank is often room temperature and is seldom
      more than 10 degrees above room temperature. Therefore a radiator
      after the tank would not have a huge differential to work with. At
      best it would be blowing 70f air over a 90f radiator. Plus there
      is now need to have a local drain for the condensation it might
      produce.</p>
    <p>My thought is between the compressor and the tank, a condensate
      filter\water separator and additional filters after the tank and
      then drains below coupling on the drops.</p>
    <p>Just my thought,</p>
    <p>Arvid<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/20 10:53 AM, Darrell Walker
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      The transmission cooler I’m looking to use is a "stacked plate”
      design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.  It says it has
      a 29,200 BTU rating:
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        <div class="">I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through
          it as well.</div>
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        <div class="">Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be
          between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the
          wall after the tank.</div>
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        <div class=""><a
href="https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/"
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                <div dir="ltr" class="">Good point.  I hadn't thought of
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                      <div class=""> <font class="" size="3">That's a
                          clever idea.  It is an excellent heat
                          exchanger and is good for the pressure.  But
                          it could restrict air flow.  Most are just a
                          long, serpentine tube with fins.  It all
                          depends on what air tools you are using.  It
                          is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast
                          cabinet through it.  But you could hook up the
                          high volume users to bypass the cooler and
                          save the dry air for the tools that need it.</font><br
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HI Arvid,

I agree that between the compressor and tank is better, I=E2=80=99m just =
not willing to start re-plumbing a new compressor (though it does look =
pretty straight forward to do).  But if it isn=E2=80=99t effective where =
I=E2=80=99m putting it, I will certainly consider it.

-Darrell

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Arvid <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> The air coming from the compressor is really hot. This would enhance =
the differential temperature between the radiator and the cooling air =
would be at it's largest point. It would seem to make the radiator work =
as efficiently as possible. In my case, 175 psi two stage, the input is =
over 200f and the output seems to be close to 100f. The fan is blowing =
70f room air over a 200f+ radiator.
>=20
> The air would now be cooler as it enters the tank and hopefully most =
of the condensation that is going to take place would be in the tank. =
Great for one-place-to-drain.
>=20
> No matter what the air will also cool while it is in the tank. This is =
a good thing for condensation but it also means that, if the radiator =
comes after the tank, the radiator will see considerably lower incoming =
air temperatures. On my compressor the air coming out of the tank is =
often room temperature and is seldom more than 10 degrees above room =
temperature. Therefore a radiator after the tank would not have a huge =
differential to work with. At best it would be blowing 70f air over a =
90f radiator. Plus there is now need to have a local drain for the =
condensation it might produce.
>=20
> My thought is between the compressor and the tank, a condensate =
filter\water separator and additional filters after the tank and then =
drains below coupling on the drops.
has a 29,200 BTU rating:
>>=20
>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274 =
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>> Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the =
compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>HI Arvid,<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I agree that between the compressor and =
tank is better, I=E2=80=99m just not willing to start re-plumbing a new =
compressor (though it does look pretty straight forward to do). =
&nbsp;But if it isn=E2=80=99t effective where I=E2=80=99m putting it, I =
will certainly consider it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">-Darrell<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:16 AM, =
Arvid &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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  <div class=3D""><p class=3D"">I would highly recommend it be between =
the compressor and the
      tank.</p><p class=3D"">My, possibly faulty, logic.</p><p =
class=3D"">The air coming from the compressor is really hot. This would
      enhance the differential temperature between the radiator and the
      cooling air would be at it's largest point. It would seem to make
      the radiator work as efficiently as possible. In my case, 175 psi
      two stage, the input is over 200f and the output seems to be close
      to 100f. The fan is blowing 70f room air over a 200f+ radiator.<br =
class=3D"">
    </p><p class=3D"">The air would now be cooler as it enters the tank =
and hopefully
      most of the condensation that is going to take place would be in
      the tank. Great for one-place-to-drain.</p><p class=3D"">No matter =
what the air will also cool while it is in the tank.
      This is a good thing for condensation but it also means that, if
      the radiator comes after the tank, the radiator will see
      considerably lower incoming air temperatures. On my compressor the
      air coming out of the tank is often room temperature and is seldom
      more than 10 degrees above room temperature. Therefore a radiator
      after the tank would not have a huge differential to work with. At
      best it would be blowing 70f air over a 90f radiator. Plus there
      is now need to have a local drain for the condensation it might
      produce.</p><p class=3D"">My thought is between the compressor and =
the tank, a condensate
      filter\water separator and additional filters after the tank and
      then drains below coupling on the drops.</p><p class=3D"">Just my =
thought,</p><p class=3D"">Arvid<br class=3D"">
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      The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked =
plate=E2=80=9D
      design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI. &nbsp;It says it has
      a&nbsp;29,200 BTU rating:
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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      <div class=3D""><a =
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        <div class=3D"">I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through
          it as well.</div>
        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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        <div class=3D"">Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be
          between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the
          wall after the tank.</div>
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                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Good point.&nbsp; I hadn't =
thought of
                  air flow rate.&nbsp; Hook several in parallel?</div>
                <br class=3D"">
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                  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, =
2020
                    at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a =
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a
                          clever idea.&nbsp; It is an excellent heat
                          exchanger and is good for the pressure.&nbsp; =
But
                          it could restrict air flow.&nbsp; Most are =
just a
                          long, serpentine tube with fins.&nbsp; It all
                          depends on what air tools you are using.&nbsp; =
It
                          is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast
                          cabinet through it.&nbsp; But you could hook =
up the
                          high volume users to bypass the cooler and
                          save the dry air for the tools that need =
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                                    cooler because they are not designed
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Hi Darrell,

IMHO, I would recommend against your planned course of action.

   1. All coolers on air compressors are placed between the pump and the
   tank where the air is the hottest and the heat transfer will be the
   greatest.. In your design, most of the heat will be absorbed by the tank
   before it gets to the radiator. It will not be an efficient heat transfe=
r
   located after the tank.
   2. I also believe that putting it on the tank outlet will restrict your
   flow as that is where you need the maximum flow. You can take advantage =
of
   the "surge capacity" of the tank which is only limited by the size of th=
e
   piping from the outlet of the tank to the air device you are using. Plac=
ing
   a cooler between the tank and the air device could limit the flow of the
   tank to the device.
   3. If you put it between the pump and the tank, the cooler only needs to
   flow at the capacity of the pump (e.g., 10CFM). You potentially could ge=
t
   100X that flow out of the stored capacity of the tank if the piping is
   large enough. You do not want any restriction between the tank and your =
air
   devices
   4. Whatever you choose to do for a heat exchanger, I sincerely believe
   that it will not be effective, and it probably will diminish the overall
   performance of your system, if you do not put it between the pump and th=
e
   tank.

IMHO

doug

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:53 AM Darrell Walker <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=
=80=9D design,
> and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.  It says it has a 29,200 BTU rating=
:
> Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compressor
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-mois=
ture/
> Good point.  I hadn't thought of air flow rate.  Hook several in parallel=
?
>> using.  It is possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet throug=
h
>> it.  But you could hook up the high volume users to bypass the cooler an=
d
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:08 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>
>>
>> I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr coo=
ler
>> because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Darrell,<div><br></div><div>IMHO, I would recommend aga=
inst your planned course of action.=C2=A0</div><div><ol><li>All coolers on =
air compressors are placed between the pump and the tank where the=C2=A0air=
 is the hottest and the heat transfer will be the greatest.. In your design=
, most of the heat will be absorbed by the tank before it gets to the radia=
tor. It will not be an efficient=C2=A0heat transfer located=C2=A0after the =
tank.</li><li>I also believe that putting it on the tank outlet will restri=
ct your flow as that is where you need the maximum flow. You can take advan=
tage of the &quot;surge capacity&quot; of the tank which is only limited by=
 the size of the piping from the outlet of the tank to the air device you a=
re using. Placing a cooler between the tank and the air device could limit =
the flow of the tank to the device.</li><li>If you put it between the pump =
and the tank, the cooler only needs to flow at the capacity of the pump (e.=
g., 10CFM). You potentially could get 100X that flow out of the stored capa=
city of the tank if the piping is large enough. You do not=C2=A0want any re=
striction between the tank and your air devices</li><li>Whatever you choose=
 to do for a heat exchanger, I sincerely believe that it will not be effect=
ive, and it probably will diminish the overall performance of your system, =
if you do not put it between the pump and the tank.</li></ol><div>IMHO</div=
></div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:53 AM Darrel=
l Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div>The transmission coole=
r I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a &quot;stacked plate=E2=80=9D design, and =
has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.=C2=A0 It says it has a=C2=A029,200 BTU ra=
ting:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-=
70274" target=3D"_blank">https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274</a><b=
r><div><br></div><div>I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through it a=
s well.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are some pictures, but these all seem=
 to be between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall af=
ter the tank.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.cnccookbook.c=
om/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture=
/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Darrell</div><div><br><div><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Scarbro=
ugh &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fishplate@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.=C2=A0 I=
 hadn&#39;t thought of air flow rate.=C2=A0 Hook several in parallel?</div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed=
, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@c=
s.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That&#39;s a clever idea.=C2=A0 It is an excellent h=
eat exchanger and is good for the pressure.=C2=A0 But it could restrict air=
 flow.=C2=A0 Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.=C2=A0 It all =
depends on what air tools you are using.=C2=A0 It is possible that you coul=
dn&#39;t run a sand blast cabinet through it.=C2=A0 But you could hook up t=
he high volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tool=
s that need it.</font><br>
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Howdy,

Are you painting or in a super high humidity environment or something?  My
experience with compressors is that mostly I can remember to drain the tank
every now and then and it all "just works" without any elaborate coolers /
separators / whatever.

YMMV.

Mark

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>Are you painting or in a super h=
igh humidity environment or something?=C2=A0 My experience with compressors=
 is that mostly I can remember to drain the tank every now and then and it =
all &quot;just works&quot; without any elaborate coolers / separators / wha=
tever.<br><br>YMMV.<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:53 AM Darre=
ll Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
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 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div>The transmission cool=
er I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a &quot;stacked plate=E2=80=9D design, and=
 has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.=C2=A0 It says it has a=C2=A029,200 BTU r=
ating:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM=
-70274" target=3D"_blank">https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274</a><=
br><div><br></div><div>I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through it =
as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are some pictures, but these all see=
m to be between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall a=
fter the tank.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.cnccookbook.=
com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moistur=
e/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Darrell</div><div><br><div>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Scarbr=
ough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fishplate=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.=C2=A0 =
I hadn&#39;t thought of air flow rate.=C2=A0 Hook several in parallel?</div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On We=
d, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That&#39;s a clever idea.=C2=A0 It is an excellent h=
eat exchanger and is good for the pressure.=C2=A0 But it could restrict air=
 flow.=C2=A0 Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.=C2=A0 It all =
depends on what air tools you are using.=C2=A0 It is possible that you coul=
dn&#39;t run a sand blast cabinet through it.=C2=A0 But you could hook up t=
he high volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tool=
s that need it.</font><br>
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 The newer cars have a parallel-flow condensor that may flow better.=C2=A0 =
But when you're scavenging...
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To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <Shop-talk@=
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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:35 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

Good point.=C2=A0 I hadn't thought of air flow rate.=C2=A0 Hook several in =
parallel?
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ay flow better.&nbsp; But when you're scavenging...</font><br>
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[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:35 am<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.&nbsp; I hadn't thought of air flow rate.&nbsp;=
 Hook several in parallel?</div>
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 At one point in time the company for whom I work had a flying probe tester=
 for PCB's which used a cushion of air to "float" the moving parts and any =
water droplets, any at all, would cause the thing to crash.=C2=A0 Therefore=
 we have a dryer on the output of the air compressor.=C2=A0 But in a shop e=
nvironment the occasional water droplet will pass through an air tool no pr=
oblem.=C2=A0 A sand blaster doesn't care at all.
Of course a water droplet passing though your paint gun can ruin your whole=
 day, but other than that I'm with you.
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From: Mark Andy <[email-masked]>
To: ShopTalk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

Howdy,
Are you painting or in a super high humidity environment or something?=C2=
=A0 My experience with compressors is that mostly I can remember to drain t=
he tank every now and then and it all "just works" without any elaborate co=
olers / separators / whatever.

YMMV.

Mark

The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=
=80=9D design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.=C2=A0 It says it has a=
=C2=A029,200 BTU rating:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274

I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through it as well.
Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compressor and=
 tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.
https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moistu=
re/

-Darrell

=20
=20
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To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

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<div> <font size=3D"3">At one point in time the company for whom I work had=
 a flying probe tester for PCB's which used a cushion of air to "float" the=
 moving parts and any water droplets, any at all, would cause the thing to =
crash.&nbsp; Therefore we have a dryer on the output of the air compressor.=
&nbsp; But in a shop environment the occasional water droplet will pass thr=
ough an air tool no problem.&nbsp; A sand blaster doesn't care at all.</fon=
t></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Of course a water droplet passing though your paint g=
un can ruin your whole day, but other than that I'm with you.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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</div>

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From: Mark Andy &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: ShopTalk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 11:30 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv2310937365">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Are you painting or in a super high humidity environment or something?=
&nbsp; My experience with compressors is that mostly I can remember to drai=
n the tank every now and then and it all "just works" without any elaborate=
 coolers / separators / whatever.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">YMMV=
.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Mark</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv2310937365yqt7878290999" id=3D"yiv2310937365yqt04013">
<div class=3D"yiv2310937365gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at =
11:53 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:darrellw360@mac=
.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"">
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=
=80=9D design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.&nbsp; It says it has a=
&nbsp;29,200 BTU rating:
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://w=
ww.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-70274">https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM=
-70274</a><br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>I do plan to put a small box fan to blow through it as well.</div>

<div>Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compresso=
r and tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.</div>

<div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://w=
ww.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/">http=
s://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/<=
/a></div>

<div>-Darrell</div>

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<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.&nbsp; I hadn't thought of air flow rate.&nbsp;=
 Hook several in parallel?</div>
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I=E2=80=99m in central Texas with a 60 gallon compressor with a small point o=
f use water precipitator at my blast cabinet. EVen draining the tank daily t=
he precipitator About every 10 minutes. There is also a Dick sander running o=
n the same compressor. The compressor cycles so I=E2=80=99m using about 10 C=
FM. Much more water than I=E2=80=99d like.=20

Currently 93=C2=B0 & 45%

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Mark Andy <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Howdy,

Are you painting or in a super high humidity environment or something?  My e=
xperience with compressors is that mostly I can remember to drain the tank e=
very now and then and it all "just works" without any elaborate coolers / se=
parators / whatever.

YMMV.

Mark

> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:53 AM Darrell Walker <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=80=
=9D design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.  It says it has a 29,200 B=
TU rating:
> Here are some pictures, but these all seem to be between the compressor an=
d tank, mine will be mounted on the wall after the tank.
> https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moist=
ure/
>=20
>=20
> -Darrell
>=20
>=20
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:=

?
>>=20
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>>> That's a clever idea.  It is an excellent heat exchanger and is good for=
 the pressure.  But it could restrict air flow.  Most are just a long, serpe=
ntine tube with fins.  It all depends on what air tools you are using.  It i=
s possible that you couldn't run a sand blast cabinet through it.  But you c=
ould hook up the high volume users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air=
 for the tools that need it.
>>> I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr coo=
ler because they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think=
 a trans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi.
>>>=20
>>> An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.  It even has "con=
denser" in the name....=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m in central Texas with a 60 gall=
on compressor with a small point of use water precipitator at my blast cabin=
et. EVen draining the tank daily the precipitator About every 10 minutes. Th=
ere is also a Dick sander running on the same compressor. The compressor cyc=
les so I=E2=80=99m using about 10 CFM. Much more water than I=E2=80=99d like=
.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Currently 93=C2=B0 &amp; 45%</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;=
<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br>On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Mark Andy &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br=
></div><div>Are you painting or in a super high humidity environment or some=
thing?&nbsp; My experience with compressors is that mostly I can remember to=
 drain the tank every now and then and it all "just works" without any elabo=
rate coolers / separators / whatever.<br><br>YMMV.<br><br>Mark</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, A=
ug 12, 2020 at 11:53 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:darrellw360@mac=
.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></=
div>The transmission cooler I=E2=80=99m looking to use is a "stacked plate=E2=
=80=9D design, and has a pressure rating of 200 PSI.&nbsp; It says it has a&=
nbsp;29,200 BTU rating:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.summitraci=
ng.com/parts/BMM-70274" target=3D"_blank">https://www.summitracing.com/parts=
/BMM-70274</a><br><div><br></div><div>I do plan to put a small box fan to bl=
ow through it as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are some pictures, but t=
hese all seem to be between the compressor and tank, mine will be mounted on=
 the wall after the tank.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.cn=
ccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on-moisture/" target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.cnccookbook.com/aftercooling-a-compressor-to-cut-down-on=
-moisture/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Darrell</div><div><b=
r><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Jeff S=
carbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fishp=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.&nbs=
p; I hadn't thought of air flow rate.&nbsp; Hook several in parallel?</div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, A=
ug 12, 2020 at 11:26 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helv=
etica,sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"3">That's a clever idea.&nbsp; It is an excellent heat e=
xchanger and is good for the pressure.&nbsp; But it could restrict air flow.=
&nbsp; Most are just a long, serpentine tube with fins.&nbsp; It all depends=
 on what air tools you are using.&nbsp; It is possible that you couldn't run=
 a sand blast cabinet through it.&nbsp; But you could hook up the high volum=
e users to bypass the cooler and save the dry air for the tools that need it=
.</font><br>
</div>

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I=E2=80=99d be concerned with using a transmission cooler for an aIr cooler b=
ecause they are not designed for pressure use. I wouldn=E2=80=99t think a tr=
ans cooler would need to be rated at more than 10psi. </blockquote></div>

<div>An air conditioner condenser would probably be better.&nbsp; It even ha=
s "condenser" in the name....&nbsp;</div>
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 Not much you can do other than move.=C2=A0 ;-)
Perhaps some sort of automatic drain will make the task less arduous.=C2=A0=
 The compressor here at work has a solenoid valve that is actuated for 5 or=
 so seconds every time the compressor cycles off.=C2=A0 Set and forget.
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
To: Mark Andy <[email-masked]>
Cc: ShopTalk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

I=E2=80=99m in central Texas with a 60 gallon compressor with a small point=
 of use water precipitator at my blast cabinet. EVen draining the tank dail=
y the precipitator About every 10 minutes. There is also a Dick sander runn=
ing on the same compressor. The compressor cycles so I=E2=80=99m using abou=
t 10 CFM. Much more water than I=E2=80=99d like.=C2=A0
Currently 93=C2=B0 & 45%
Peace,Pat

Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity

=EF=BB=BFHowdy,

YMMV.

Mark

-Darrell

=20
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Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to buy a compressor

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Not much you can do other than move.&nbsp; ;-)</font=

<div><font size=3D"3">Perhaps some sort of automatic drain will make the ta=
sk less arduous.&nbsp; The compressor here at work has a solenoid valve tha=
t is actuated for 5 or so seconds every time the compressor cycles off.&nbs=
p; Set and forget.</font><br>
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<div>I=E2=80=99m in central Texas with a 60 gallon compressor with a small =
point of use water precipitator at my blast cabinet. EVen draining the tank=
 daily the precipitator About every 10 minutes. There is also a Dick sander=
 running on the same compressor. The compressor cycles so I=E2=80=99m using=
 about 10 CFM. Much more water than I=E2=80=99d like.&nbsp;
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Currently 93=C2=B0 &amp; 45%</div>

<div>Peace,</div>

<div>Pat</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;
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<div>-Darrell</div>

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hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good point.&nbsp; I hadn't thought of air flow rate.&nbsp;=
 Hook several in parallel?</div>
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From: Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:58:59 -0700

OK, I will submit to the wisdom of the list and mount the radiator between the pump and tank  :)

I will wait until I know the compressor is running fine, though it will be a mostly bolt-on installation and can be undone.

Since I already have the transmission cooler, I’m going to use that, and mount it on the fan guard cage, so that some of the air from the fan will be pulled through the radiator. I know this will increase the temperature of the air that then goes to cool the pump, so I’ll keep an eye on that.

The question I have is what to use for plumbing.  Since there could be some movement between the compressor cage and the rest of the compressor, should I use a hose instead of copper tubing (I’m thinking it might work-harden then break due to the vibration).

If I do need hose, I’m looking at some PTFE, stainless braid covered fuel line.  It is rated for 2500 PSI working pressure, 8000 PSI burst pressure, and 450F temp, so it would seem up to the job.

I will also mount a water trap with an automatic drain between the radiator and the tank, and since that will all be upstream of the unloader valve, it will drain each time the compressor cycles off.  I’ve found two kinds of traps, one that is basically a container that would go on the end of a drip leg, and one that all the air passes through.  Any thoughts if one would be more effective than the other?  It would seem like passing all the air through would be better, as some water could make the bend with a drip leg.

Thanks,
Darrell

PS Sorry if this gets posted twice, I sent it the first time from the wrong email account
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Hi Darrell,

Copper tubing with compression fittings should be fine. It will work
harden, but it should not break. The air gets hot enough to melt solder (I
had that happen).

You do not need a water trap or drain here, the water will be vaporized and
end up in the tank.

Also, you will want to isolate the cooler from the fan guard if the guard
is plastic, of course.

best,

doug

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> OK, I will submit to the wisdom of the list and mount the radiator betwee=
n
> the pump and tank  :)
>
> I will wait until I know the compressor is running fine, though it will b=
e
> a mostly bolt-on installation and can be undone.
>
> Since I already have the transmission cooler, I=E2=80=99m going to use th=
at, and
> mount it on the fan guard cage, so that some of the air from the fan will
> be pulled through the radiator. I know this will increase the temperature
> of the air that then goes to cool the pump, so I=E2=80=99ll keep an eye o=
n that.
>
> The question I have is what to use for plumbing.  Since there could be
> some movement between the compressor cage and the rest of the compressor,
> should I use a hose instead of copper tubing (I=E2=80=99m thinking it mig=
ht
> work-harden then break due to the vibration).
>
> If I do need hose, I=E2=80=99m looking at some PTFE, stainless braid cove=
red fuel
> line.  It is rated for 2500 PSI working pressure, 8000 PSI burst pressure=
,
> and 450F temp, so it would seem up to the job.
>
> I will also mount a water trap with an automatic drain between the
> radiator and the tank, and since that will all be upstream of the unloade=
r
> valve, it will drain each time the compressor cycles off.  I=E2=80=99ve f=
ound two
> kinds of traps, one that is basically a container that would go on the en=
d
> of a drip leg, and one that all the air passes through.  Any thoughts if
> one would be more effective than the other?  It would seem like passing a=
ll
> the air through would be better, as some water could make the bend with a
> drip leg.
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Darrell,<div><br></div><div>Copper tub=
ing with compression fittings should be fine. It will work harden, but it s=
hould not break. The air gets hot enough to melt solder (I had that happen)=
.</div><div><br></div><div>You do not need a water trap or drain here, the =
water will be vaporized and end up in the tank.</div><div><br></div><div>Al=
so, you will want to isolate the cooler from the fan guard if the guard is =
plastic, of course.</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div=
>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:59 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
OK, I will submit to the wisdom of the list and mount the radiator between =
the pump and tank=C2=A0 :)<br>
<br>
I will wait until I know the compressor is running fine, though it will be =
a mostly bolt-on installation and can be undone.<br>
<br>
Since I already have the transmission cooler, I=E2=80=99m going to use that=
, and mount it on the fan guard cage, so that some of the air from the fan =
will be pulled through the radiator. I know this will increase the temperat=
ure of the air that then goes to cool the pump, so I=E2=80=99ll keep an eye=
 on that.<br>
<br>
The question I have is what to use for plumbing.=C2=A0 Since there could be=
 some movement between the compressor cage and the rest of the compressor, =
should I use a hose instead of copper tubing (I=E2=80=99m thinking it might=
 work-harden then break due to the vibration).<br>
<br>
If I do need hose, I=E2=80=99m looking at some PTFE, stainless braid covere=
d fuel line.=C2=A0 It is rated for 2500 PSI working pressure, 8000 PSI burs=
t pressure, and 450F temp, so it would seem up to the job.<br>
<br>
I will also mount a water trap with an automatic drain between the radiator=
 and the tank, and since that will all be upstream of the unloader valve, i=
t will drain each time the compressor cycles off.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve found =
two kinds of traps, one that is basically a container that would go on the =
end of a drip leg, and one that all the air passes through.=C2=A0 Any thoug=
hts if one would be more effective than the other?=C2=A0 It would seem like=
 passing all the air through would be better, as some water could make the =
bend with a drip leg.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Darrell<br>
<br>
PS Sorry if this gets posted twice, I sent it the first time from the wrong=
 email account<br>
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From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:25:43 -0500

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Unless this is a large, complex system, I think the simplest and effective
way to deal with moisture in the piping is iron piping with drip stems with
ball valves on the ends and a moisture separator near each air outlet, and
each outlet needs to be stubbed off of a vertical  pipe section. I just
google air system pipe layout and that many layouts, most using this basic
idea.

FWIW

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Unless this is a large, complex system, I think the simple=
st and effective way to deal with moisture in the piping is iron piping wit=
h drip stems with ball valves on the ends and a moisture separator=C2=A0nea=
r each air outlet, and each outlet needs to be stubbed off of a vertical=C2=
=A0 pipe section. I just google air system pipe layout and that many layout=
s, most using this basic idea.<div><br></div><div>FWIW</div></div>

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