Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Facility Tool List

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:43:52 -0500

CATx Cable/fiber tester
Power tester
Digital camera? Not so necessary these days w/phone cameras
Electrical/plumbing lockout tags

Not a “tool” in the normal sense but a documentation system to keep up with current configurations

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Aug 3, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

Here's a fun one....

Suppose you had a brand-new facility (300,000 sf office and research campus).  Further suppose you had a $25k budget to buy some tools to start your new Facility Maintenance group to work on the place.  We have HVAC, Electric, Plumbing, BAS, Access Control.  Plus the usual doors and windows.

In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase order?  (Consider any special tools will be furnished with construction).  Assume 

Wrench sets, screwdrivers, pipe wrenches, voltmeters...what else?  Names of reasonable quality tools would be appreciated.

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Hi Jeff:

Will you be doing your own validation work in-house? If so, I would =
include whatever you need to do smoke tests on fume hoods, differential =
pressure testing for air locks and between rooms with differing =
classifications. Air pressure gauges, water/fluid pressure gauges [for =
testing vessel water jackets, etc.]=20

=20

I would decide on one brand of cordless tools, and see if I could keep =
the number of different types/sizes o chargers and batteries to a =
minimum.

=20

If you will be using a CMMS [computerized maintenance management =
system], you might consider getting ruggedized tablets for field =
technicians to use. The CMMS would deliver instructions for maintenance =
or repair, call out parts and tools needed, and give the tech  place to =
record the work as started, in-progress and completed.  I recall you =
work in a regulated facility, so it might also cross-reference whether =
the tech is current on required training for the work specified.

=20

These are idea starters, I suspect we all will come up with more =
suggestions in the coming days=E2=80=A6

=20

----------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jeff =
Scarbrough
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:37 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Shop-talk] Facility Tool List

=20

Here's a fun one....

=20

Suppose you had a brand-new facility (300,000 sf office and research =
campus).  Further suppose you had a $25k budget to buy some tools to =
start your new Facility Maintenance group to work on the place.  We have =
HVAC, Electric, Plumbing, BAS, Access Control.  Plus the usual doors and =
windows.

=20

In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase order?  (Consider =
any special tools will be furnished with construction).  Assume=20

=20

Wrench sets, screwdrivers, pipe wrenches, voltmeters...what else?  Names =
of reasonable quality tools would be appreciated.

=20

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be doing your own validation work in-house? If so, I would include =
whatever you need to do smoke tests on fume hoods, differential pressure =
testing for air locks and between rooms with differing classifications. =
Air pressure gauges, water/fluid pressure gauges [for testing vessel =
water jackets, etc.] <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would =
decide on one brand of cordless tools, and see if I could keep the =
number of different types/sizes o chargers and batteries to a =
minimum.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you will be using a CMMS [computerized maintenance =
management system], you might consider getting ruggedized tablets for =
field technicians to use. The CMMS would deliver instructions for =
maintenance or repair, call out parts and tools needed, and give the =
tech=C2=A0 place to record the work as started, in-progress and =
completed.=C2=A0 I recall you work in a regulated facility, so it might =
also cross-reference whether the tech is current on required training =
for the work specified.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>These are =
idea starters, I suspect we all will come up with more suggestions in =
the coming days=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff =
Scarbrough<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 3, 2020 3:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] Facility Tool =
List<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Here's =
a fun one....<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Suppose you had a brand-new facility (300,000 sf =
office and research campus).&nbsp; Further suppose you had a $25k budget =
to buy some tools to start your new Facility Maintenance group to work =
on the place.&nbsp; We have HVAC, Electric, Plumbing, BAS, Access =
Control.&nbsp; Plus the usual doors and =
windows.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase =
order?&nbsp; (Consider any special tools will be furnished =
with&nbsp;construction).&nbsp; Assume&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Wrench sets, screwdrivers, pipe wrenches, =
voltmeters...what else?&nbsp; Names of&nbsp;reasonable&nbsp;quality =
tools would be appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase order?  (Consider any
> special tools will be furnished with construction).
>

Thanks for all the answers so far - I've received some very helpful
suggestions. Since I work for the Government, I have required sources
(GSA)...for this sort of thing there's some variety, and usually
manufacturer names are mentioned.  In the process of searching generically
for "maintenance tool set", I found this item:

https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-Maintenance-4HFZ3

This looks like a good way to solve about 65% of my problem with one
purchase.  But I'm not sure about the quality of anything included.  It
looks very handy, and I can replace cheap tools, but I could also build my
own if I felt it was an advantage.

Anyone have any experience with these?

-- Jeff

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jeff S=
carbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>In 25 words or less, what should be on th=
e purchase order?=C2=A0 (Consider any special tools will be furnished with=
=C2=A0construction).=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Than=
ks for all the answers so far - I&#39;ve received some very helpful suggest=
ions. Since I work for the Government, I have required sources (GSA)...for =
this sort of thing there&#39;s some variety,=C2=A0and usually manufacturer =
names are mentioned.=C2=A0 In the process of searching generically for &quo=
t;maintenance tool set&quot;, I found this item:</div><div><br></div><div><=
a href=3D"https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-=
Maintenance-4HFZ3">https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Prev=
entative-Maintenance-4HFZ3</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>This looks li=
ke a good way to solve about 65% of my problem with one purchase.=C2=A0 But=
 I&#39;m not sure about the quality of anything included.=C2=A0 It looks ve=
ry handy, and I can replace cheap tools, but I could also build my own if I=
 felt=C2=A0it was an advantage.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Anyone h=
ave any experience with these?</div><div><br></div><div>-- Jeff</div></div>=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
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Off hand it looked like a good deal if the quality was good. But when I got t=
o the end of the list I saw that of the 1141 pieces that 1000 are considered=
 consumable parts.=20

There are some consumable items on this list that you will need but I suspec=
t not half of them.=20

I suggest you build your own set just buying your tools in smaller sets such=
 as listed in Granger list. It will take longer but you won=E2=80=99t end up=
 overpaying & not have to deal with all the cruft you won=E2=80=99t ever use=
.=20

Be sure to include safety equipment & a first aid kit.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Aug 4, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:

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> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase order?  (Consider any s=
pecial tools will be furnished with construction).=20

Thanks for all the answers so far - I've received some very helpful suggesti=
ons. Since I work for the Government, I have required sources (GSA)...for th=
is sort of thing there's some variety, and usually manufacturer names are me=
ntioned.  In the process of searching generically for "maintenance tool set"=
, I found this item:

https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-Maintenance=
-4HFZ3=20

This looks like a good way to solve about 65% of my problem with one purchas=
e.  But I'm not sure about the quality of anything included.  It looks very h=
andy, and I can replace cheap tools, but I could also build my own if I felt=
 it was an advantage.=20

-- Jeff

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Off hand it looked like a good deal if the q=
uality was good. But when I got to the end of the list I saw that of the 114=
1 pieces that 1000 are considered consumable parts.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div=
>There are some consumable items on this list that you will need but I suspe=
ct not half of them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest you build your=
 own set just buying your tools in smaller sets such as listed in Granger li=
st. It will take longer but you won=E2=80=99t end up overpaying &amp; not ha=
ve to deal with all the cruft you won=E2=80=99t ever use.&nbsp;</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Be sure to include safety equipment &amp; a first aid kit.&nbsp=
;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat H=
orne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 4, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;fishplate@=
gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br=
></div><div>In 25 words or less, what should be on the purchase order?&nbsp;=
 (Consider any special tools will be furnished with&nbsp;construction).&nbsp=
;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for all the answers so f=
ar - I've received some very helpful suggestions. Since I work for the Gover=
nment, I have required sources (GSA)...for this sort of thing there's some v=
ariety,&nbsp;and usually manufacturer names are mentioned.&nbsp; In the proc=
ess of searching generically for "maintenance tool set", I found this item:<=
/div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-=
SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-Maintenance-4HFZ3">https://www.grainger.com/product=
/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-Maintenance-4HFZ3</a>&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
/div><div>This looks like a good way to solve about 65% of my problem with o=
ne purchase.&nbsp; But I'm not sure about the quality of anything included.&=
nbsp; It looks very handy, and I can replace cheap tools, but I could also b=
uild my own if I felt&nbsp;it was an advantage.&nbsp;<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Anyone have any experience with these?</div><div><br></div><div>-- Je=
ff</div></div></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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In case you wonder what's in it:

https://www.mobile-shop.com/downloads/pm-cart-tools-and-parts.pdf

Seems to be a little light on large wrenches.

And then there's this:

https://www.mobile-shop.com/golf-cart-utility

> Anyone have any experience with these?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">In case you wonder what&#39;s in it:<div><br></div><div><d=
iv><a href=3D"https://www.mobile-shop.com/downloads/pm-cart-tools-and-parts=
.pdf">https://www.mobile-shop.com/downloads/pm-cart-tools-and-parts.pdf</a>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Seems to be a little light =
on large wrenches.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And then there&#=
39;s this:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.mobile-shop.com/=
golf-cart-utility">https://www.mobile-shop.com/golf-cart-utility</a>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:50 AM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>In 25 words or less, what should be on the p=
urchase order?=C2=A0 (Consider any special tools will be furnished with=C2=
=A0construction).=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks =
for all the answers so far - I&#39;ve received some very helpful suggestion=
s. Since I work for the Government, I have required sources (GSA)...for thi=
s sort of thing there&#39;s some variety,=C2=A0and usually manufacturer nam=
es are mentioned.=C2=A0 In the process of searching generically for &quot;m=
aintenance tool set&quot;, I found this item:</div><div><br></div><div><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-SHOP-1141pc-Preventative-Mai=
ntenance-4HFZ3" target=3D"_blank">https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBILE-S=
HOP-1141pc-Preventative-Maintenance-4HFZ3</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>This looks like a good way to solve about 65% of my problem with one purc=
hase.=C2=A0 But I&#39;m not sure about the quality of anything included.=C2=
=A0 It looks very handy, and I can replace cheap tools, but I could also bu=
ild my own if I felt=C2=A0it was an advantage.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Anyone have any experience with these?</div><div><br></div><div>-- J=
eff</div></div></div>
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