Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] attic fan switches (does this exist?)

From: Benjamin Zwissler <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:49:47 -0400

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Yes, they exist. Look for home automation systems like Samsung's smart
home.  You can also use wifi devices via Amazon Alexa.

Ben

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 8:34 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic switch.
>
> I was wondering if there was a way that I can have it on a  thermostatic
> switch AND a remote switch (like X-10)
>
> What happens is that  I want to turn on the fan on some nights or days,
> but it isn't hot enough to trigger it to go off.  If I reduce the
> temperature setting, it stays on most on the time.
>
> But I do want it to go on if it gets too hot when I'm not home.
>
> Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out how
> to wire 2 separate switches safely to accomplish this.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mule
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Yes, they exist. Look for home automation systems like Sa=
msung&#39;s smart home.=C2=A0 You can also use wifi devices via Amazon Alex=
a.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ben</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu=
, Jul 30, 2020, 8:34 AM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">eric@mega=
geek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that =C2=A0I want =
to
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn&#39;t hot enough to trig=
ger
it to go off.=C2=A0 If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it ge=
ts
too hot when I&#39;m not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the=
 market?
=C2=A0I also couldn&#39;t figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
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From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:56:42 -0500

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Yep lots of ways to do this.  If you want it really user-friendly (but
maybe not 100% reliable) go insteon.  Get the smart hub a temps sensor a
relay module and a wireless remote.  Set up a custom program to turn on the
fan at a pre-set temperature.  Then set up a manual program to turn the fan
on/off with the wireless remote.  Then spend the next several years not
being able to find the remote when you need it.
Personally, I would do this using an Arduino, a wireless remote module and
a temp sensor.  Even if you have never worked with this stuff, it is pretty
easy to learn.  It requires some wiring and some coding, but there are
plenty of tutorials online to get you started.  My favorite site for this
is adafruit.com
I would get something like this https://www.adafruit.com/product/393 for a
temp sensor.  And use a tutorial like this guide (the arduino part) to read
temperature:  https://learn.adafruit.com/dht then get something like this
https://www.amazon.com/INKBIRD-Solid-State-SSR-40DA-24-380V/dp/B00HV974KC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=solid+state+relay&qid=1596113629&sr=8-3
for a relay to control the fan and something like this:
https://www.adafruit.com/product/1096 for a wireless remote.

If you prefer python to C then look at the CircuitPython stuff on
adafruit's web site.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yep lots of ways to do this.=C2=A0 If you want it rea=
lly user-friendly (but maybe not 100% reliable) go insteon.=C2=A0 Get the s=
mart hub a temps sensor a relay module and a wireless remote.=C2=A0 Set up =
a custom program to turn on the fan at a pre-set temperature.=C2=A0 Then se=
t up a manual program to turn the fan on/off with the wireless remote.=C2=
=A0 Then spend the next several years not being able to find the remote whe=
n you need it. <br></div><div>Personally, I would do this using an Arduino,=
 a wireless remote module and a temp sensor.=C2=A0 Even if you have never w=
orked with this stuff, it is pretty easy to learn.=C2=A0 It requires some w=
iring and some coding, but there are plenty of tutorials online to get you =
started.=C2=A0 My favorite site for this is <a href=3D"http://adafruit.com"=
>adafruit.com</a></div><div>I would get something like this=C2=A0<a href=3D=
"https://www.adafruit.com/product/393">https://www.adafruit.com/product/393=
</a> for a temp sensor.=C2=A0 And use a tutorial like this guide (the ardui=
no part) to read temperature:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://learn.adafruit.com/d=
ht">https://learn.adafruit.com/dht</a> then get something like this <a href=
=3D"https://www.amazon.com/INKBIRD-Solid-State-SSR-40DA-24-380V/dp/B00HV974=
KC/ref=3Dsr_1_3?dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolid+state+relay&amp;qid=3D15961=
13629&amp;sr=3D8-3">https://www.amazon.com/INKBIRD-Solid-State-SSR-40DA-24-=
380V/dp/B00HV974KC/ref=3Dsr_1_3?dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dsolid+state+relay=
&amp;qid=3D1596113629&amp;sr=3D8-3</a> for a relay to control the fan and s=
omething like this: <a href=3D"https://www.adafruit.com/product/1096">https=
://www.adafruit.com/product/1096</a> for a wireless remote.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>If you prefer python to C then look at the CircuitPython stuff on=
 adafruit&#39;s web site.=C2=A0 <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
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switch.</font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:45:57 -0400

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> switch AND a remote switch (like X-10)

Is the important feature that you can have a remote for it, or just a
switch to override the thermostat?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:34 AM &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is the important feature that you can have=
 a remote for it, or just a switch to override the thermostat?=C2=A0</div><=
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Jeff asks about a switch to override the thermostat

Over all, I just want a switch near my bed to override the thermostat.  I 
really didn't want to get into complex home automation as I find it ore of 
a pain.  I do still use X-10 because it is some much more bullet proof 
than modern protocols (and secure, no IOT)

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Jeff asks about a </font><font size=3>switch
to override the thermostat</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Over all, I just want a switch near my bed to override
the thermostat. &nbsp;I really didn't want to get into complex home automation
as I find it ore of a pain. &nbsp;I do still use X-10 because it is some
much more bullet proof than modern protocols (and secure, no IOT)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
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Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:59:13 -0400

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:50 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Over all, I just want a switch near my bed to override the thermostat.

So I would suggest some sort of relay to switch the fan, with control input
either from the thermostat or a conveniently-located switch.  that requires
installing a wire in the wall, which may be simple or not...I'm trying to
think if there's any danger of backfeeding or not.  I don't think so.

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er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">Jeff asks about a </font><font size=3D"3">switch
to override the thermostat</font>
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<br><font size=3D"3">Over all, I just want a switch near my bed to override
the thermostat. </font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So I would suggest =
some sort of relay to switch the fan, with control input either from the th=
ermostat or a conveniently-located switch.=C2=A0 that requires installing a=
 wire in the wall, which may be simple or not...I&#39;m trying to think if =
there&#39;s any danger of backfeeding or not.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t think so.</=
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From: Donald H Locker <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:00:13 -0400

I would think a simple single-pole switch wired with its contacts in
parallel with the thermostatic switch contacts would do the job.

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On 2020-07-30 9:49 a.m., [email-masked] wrote:
>  I really didn't want to get into complex home automation as I find it
> ore of a pain.  I do still use X-10 because it is some much more bullet
> proof than modern protocols (and secure, no IOT)
> 
> 
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
> 

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:18:01 -0700

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I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a con=
troller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a control=
ler with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=20

If you want the x-10 to override  the thermostat so that the fan runs until y=
ou turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controller & wire i=
ts normally open contacts across the thermostat.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
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On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic switch.=20

I was wondering if there was a way that I can have it on a  thermostatic swi=
tch AND a remote switch (like X-10)=20

What happens is that  I want to turn on the fan on some nights or days, but i=
t isn't hot enough to trigger it to go off.  If I reduce the temperature set=
ting, it stays on most on the time.=20

But I do want it to go on if it gets too hot when I'm not home.=20

Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out how t=
o wire 2 separate switches safely to accomplish this.=20

Any ideas?=20

Thanks.=20

Mule

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be=
ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I as=
sume you will be using like a controller for a table lamp where the output i=
s a socket. If you have a controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s eve=
n easier.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>If you want the x-10 to override &nbsp;th=
e thermostat so that the fan runs until you turn it off, all you need to do p=
lug a relay into the controller &amp; wire its normally open contacts across=
 the thermostat.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><d=
iv><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, eric@me=
gageek.com wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way t=
hat
I can have it on a &nbsp;thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that &nbsp;I want t=
o
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn't hot enough to trigger
it to go off. &nbsp;If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it get=
s
too hot when I'm not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the m=
arket?
&nbsp;I also couldn't figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Mule<br>
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From: Peter Murray <[email-masked]>
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My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our
upstairs hallway. When I don't want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it
off.

My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat that came with
it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too broad,
because it'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days of
90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees,
and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch back on?)

I know, Pat's heart bleeds for me.

I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated,
but writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and
self-employment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave
devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardware.

The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting when
we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper solution
is to improve my insulation up there!

-Peter

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a
> controller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a
> controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.
>
> If you want the x-10 to override  the thermostat so that the fan runs
> until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controlle=
r
> & wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> =EF=BB=BFI have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic switch.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My solution is to have a switch in-line with the ther=
mostat, in our upstairs hallway. When I don&#39;t want to hear the fan at 1=
1pm, I switch it off.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has t=
he standard mechanical thermostat that came with it. I think I set it a hai=
r too low, or the hysteresis is too broad, because it&#39;ll still be runni=
ng at 11pm. Then again, we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here in Northern Virg=
inia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is not on yet.=
 (Hmm, did I turn the switch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div><div>I know, Pat&=
#39;s heart bleeds for me.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I like=
 the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but writ=
ing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-emplo=
yment will allow. I&#39;m looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices=
, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardware.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>The problem I&#39;d had was that I wanted the fan to run =
to reduce melting when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of cour=
se, the proper solution is to improve my insulation up there!</div><div><br=
></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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>I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a c=
ontroller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a cont=
roller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=C2=A0<div><br></div=
><div>If you want the x-10 to override =C2=A0the thermostat so that the fan=
 runs until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the contr=
oller &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Hor=
ne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megage=
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r=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan=
 that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that =C2=A0I want =
to
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn&#39;t hot enough to trig=
ger
it to go off.=C2=A0 If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it ge=
ts
too hot when I&#39;m not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the=
 market?
=C2=A0I also couldn&#39;t figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
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Peter, at 73, I=E2=80=99m not as able to pick up net programming languages l=
ike I used to. I have some arduino applications that I need to build. After I=
 finish my car restoration, hopefully this year, I=E2=80=99ll have time for p=
rogramming.=20

Keep well & cool. Only 95 here today. Better check the furnace!

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Jul 30, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Peter Murray <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our upstairs=
 hallway. When I don't want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it off.

My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat that came with it.=
 I think I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too broad, because it=
'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days of 90+ here in N=
orthern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is n=
ot on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch back on?)

I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but=
 writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-e=
mployment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices,=
 but need to do more research before I start spending on hardware.

The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting when w=
e had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper solution i=
s to improve my insulation up there!

-Peter

> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a c=
ontroller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a contr=
oller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=20
>=20
> If you want the x-10 to override  the thermostat so that the fan runs unti=
l you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controller & wir=
e its normally open contacts across the thermostat.=20
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> What happens is that  I want to turn on the fan on some nights or days, bu=
t it isn't hot enough to trigger it to go off.  If I reduce the temperature s=
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> Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out how=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Peter, at 73, I=E2=80=99m not as able to pi=
ck up net programming languages like I used to. I have some arduino applicat=
ions that I need to build. After I finish my car restoration, hopefully this=
 year, I=E2=80=99ll have time for programming.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Keep=
 well &amp; cool. Only 95 here today. Better check the furnace!</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<di=
v>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Peter Murray &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My sol=
ution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our upstairs hallw=
ay. When I don't want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it off.<br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat t=
hat came with it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too b=
road, because it'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days=
 of 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees=
, and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch&nbsp;back on?)<div>=
<br></div><div>I know, Pat's heart bleeds for me.</div><div></div></div><div=
><br></div><div>I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more so=
phisticated, but writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids un=
der 8 and self-employment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some=
 Z-Wave devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on har=
dware.</div><div><br></div><div>The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fa=
n to run to reduce melting when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge.=
 Of course, the proper solution is to improve my insulation up there!</div><=
div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"aut=
o">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a c=
ontroller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a contr=
oller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.&nbsp;<div><br></div><=
div>If you want the x-10 to override &nbsp;the thermostat so that the fan ru=
ns until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controlle=
r &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbs=
p;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan that is on=
 a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way t=
hat
I can have it on a &nbsp;thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that &nbsp;I want t=
o
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn't hot enough to trigger
it to go off.&nbsp; If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it get=
s
too hot when I'm not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the m=
arket?
&nbsp;I also couldn't figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font>
<br>
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Surprisingly my Arduino-base projects have gotten a MUCH higher degree of
Spouse Approval, mostly because the Insteon, X-10 and Z-wave stuff was just
too unreliable.  After two or three times of the Home Automation stuff not
doing what it was supposed to, my wife was done with it.  The Arduino stuff
required more know-how to get set up and working, but once it was it has
performed flawlessly.  I am also able to customize it based on her
preferences.  She wanted a button that would turn the fan on and have it
run for 30 minutes.  I already had a 4-button remote and was only using two
of the buttons.  A few simple changes to the Arduino program and I was able
to make it do exactly what she wanted.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:00 AM Peter Murray <[email-masked]>
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> devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardware=
.
>
> The problem I'd had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting
> when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper
> solution is to improve my insulation up there!
>
> -Peter
>
>> until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controll=
er
>> Is there anything like this on the market?  I also couldn't figure out
>> how to wire 2 separate switches safely to accomplish this.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mule
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationa=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Surprisingly my Arduino-base projects have gotten a MUCH h=
igher degree of Spouse Approval, mostly because the Insteon, X-10 and Z-wav=
e stuff was just too unreliable.=C2=A0 After two or three times of the Home=
 Automation stuff not doing what it was supposed to, my wife was done with =
it.=C2=A0 The Arduino stuff required more know-how to get set up and workin=
g, but once it was it has performed flawlessly.=C2=A0 I am also able to cus=
tomize it based on her preferences.=C2=A0 She wanted a button that would tu=
rn the fan on and have it run for 30 minutes.=C2=A0 I already had a 4-butto=
n remote and was only using two of the buttons.=C2=A0 A few simple changes =
to the Arduino program and I was able to make it do exactly what she wanted=
. =C2=A0<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:00 AM Peter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My=
 solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermostat, in our upstairs =
hallway. When I don&#39;t want to hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it off.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has the standard mechanical t=
hermostat that came with it. I think I set it a hair too low, or the hyster=
esis is too broad, because it&#39;ll still be running at 11pm. Then again, =
we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am =
here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the sw=
itch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div><div>I know, Pat&#39;s heart bleeds for m=
e.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I like the idea of making oper=
ation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but writing Arduino code is like=
ly more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-employment will allow. I&#39;=
m looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices, but need to do more re=
search before I start spending on hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>The pr=
oblem I&#39;d had was that I wanted the fan to run to reduce melting when w=
e had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, the proper solution =
is to improve my insulation up there!</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas=
@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=
=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like a contro=
ller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If you have a controlle=
r with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div=
>If you want the x-10 to override =C2=A0the thermostat so that the fan runs=
 until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the controller=
 &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the thermostat.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=
=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan tha=
t is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
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From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:47:32 -0700

I agree that the circuit below looks like a good way to go to manually 
turn on the fan if you can drop a wire from the fan thermostat box to 
your switch box.  Run the hot on the black and color or tape the white 
wire black to indicate it is switched so the next owner of your house 
doesn't think it is a neutral.

You might want to use a mechanical timer switch if you are concerned 
about forgetting to turn the fan off.  Sample: 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/TORK-A500-series-Multi-Volt-125-250-277-VAC-60-Minute-Springwound-Auto-Off-In-Wall-Timer-White-A560MW/205580572 

Brian

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Peter,
Not sure if this was mentioned already but make sure that whatever switch
you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of those switches are
only rated for lighting loads.
Bruce

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Peter,</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto=
">Not sure if this was mentioned already but make sure that whatever switch=
 you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of those switches ar=
e only rated for lighting loads.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Bruce</div></div><d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Peter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:peterwmurr=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My solution is to have a switch in-l=
ine with the thermostat, in our upstairs hallway. When I don&#39;t want to =
hear the fan at 11pm, I switch it off.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My fan =
in my attic has the standard mechanical thermostat that came with it. I thi=
nk I set it a hair too low, or the hysteresis is too broad, because it&#39;=
ll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here=
 in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees, and the f=
an is not on yet. (Hmm, did I turn the switch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div>=
<div>I know, Pat&#39;s heart bleeds for me.</div><div></div></div><div><br>=
</div><div>I like the idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophis=
ticated, but writing Arduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under=
 8 and self-employment will allow. I&#39;m looking at Home Assistant and so=
me Z-Wave devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on =
hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>The problem I&#39;d had was that I wante=
d the fan to run to reduce melting when we had ice dams developing at the r=
oof edge. Of course, the proper solution is to improve my insulation up the=
re!</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM P=
at Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">pat=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but =
I assume you will be using like a controller for a table lamp where the out=
put is a socket. If you have a controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=
=99s even easier.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>If you want the x-10 to override=
 =C2=A0the thermostat so that the fan runs until you turn it off, all you n=
eed to do plug a relay into the controller &amp; wire its normally open con=
tacts across the thermostat.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><di=
v>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Hu=
manity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5=
:34 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eric@megagee=
k.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"sans-serif">I have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering if there was a way=
 that
I can have it on a =C2=A0thermostatic switch AND a remote switch (like
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What happens is that =C2=A0I want =
to
turn on the fan on some nights or days, but it isn&#39;t hot enough to trig=
ger
it to go off.=C2=A0 If I reduce the temperature setting, it stays on most
on the time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I do want it to go on if it ge=
ts
too hot when I&#39;m not home.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Is there anything like this on the=
 market?
=C2=A0I also couldn&#39;t figure out how to wire 2 separate switches safely
to accomplish this.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Any ideas?</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
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From: Peter Murray <[email-masked]>
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Bruce-

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't thought about any rating further than the
typical residential lighting load when I grabbed the switch from the
contractor box of 10. I'm certain it was a bog-standard 2 horsepower
switch, though. I don't believe the motor is over 1/3 hp.

-Peter

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:50 AM Bruce Bubeck <[email-masked]> wrote:

> you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of those switches a=
re
>> because it'll still be running at 11pm. Then again, we've had 27+ days o=
f
>> 90+ here in Northern Virginia. It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees=
,
>> self-employment will allow. I'm looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wav=
e
>> devices, but need to do more research before I start spending on hardwar=
e.
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>
>>> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be using like =
a
>>> until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a relay into the control=
ler
>>> I was wondering if there was a way that I can have it on a  thermostati=
c
>>> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory=
."
>>> Ralph Waldo Emerson

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bruce-<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the tip. I hadn&#39;t=
 thought about any rating further than the typical residential lighting loa=
d when I grabbed the switch from the contractor box of 10. I&#39;m certain =
it was a bog-standard 2 horsepower switch, though. I don&#39;t believe the =
motor is over 1/3 hp.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 31, =
2020 at 7:50 AM Bruce Bubeck &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bbu=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Peter,</div></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Not sure if this was mentioned already but make sure that=
 whatever switch you use has a motor rating for the fan you have. Some of t=
hose switches are only rated for lighting loads.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Bru=
ce</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Peter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>My solution is to have a switch in-line with the thermosta=
t, in our upstairs hallway. When I don&#39;t want to hear the fan at 11pm, =
I switch it off.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My fan in my attic has the st=
andard mechanical thermostat that came with it. I think I set it a hair too=
 low, or the hysteresis is too broad, because it&#39;ll still be running at=
 11pm. Then again, we&#39;ve had 27+ days of 90+ here in Northern Virginia.=
 It is nearly 11am here now and 89 degrees, and the fan is not on yet. (Hmm=
, did I turn the switch=C2=A0back on?)<div><br></div><div>I know, Pat&#39;s=
 heart bleeds for me.</div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>I like the =
idea of making operation of the fan a bit more sophisticated, but writing A=
rduino code is likely more than my wife, 3 kids under 8 and self-employment=
 will allow. I&#39;m looking at Home Assistant and some Z-Wave devices, but=
 need to do more research before I start spending on hardware.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The problem I&#39;d had was that I wanted the fan to run to re=
duce melting when we had ice dams developing at the roof edge. Of course, t=
he proper solution is to improve my insulation up there!</div><div><br></di=
v><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:18 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not familiar with x-10 but I assume you will be=
 using like a controller for a table lamp where the output is a socket. If =
you have a controller with isolated contacts it=E2=80=99s even easier.=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>If you want the x-10 to override =C2=A0the thermosta=
t so that the fan runs until you turn it off, all you need to do plug a rel=
ay into the controller &amp; wire its normally open contacts across the the=
rmostat.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br=
></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 30, 2020, at 5:34 AM, <a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I =
have an attic fan that is on a thermostatic
switch.</font>
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