Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Re-wiring an outdoor outlet

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:04:41 -0500

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Scott,

Several thoughts. There needs to be a GFCI Function on any outside circuit. I=
t could be a GFCI breaker in a panel or a GFCI outlet.=20

I would get a GFCI outlet tester to see If the circuit has the GFCI function=
ality somewhere. It=E2=80=99s redundant to have a GFCI outlet & breaker on t=
he same circuit.=20

Since this outlet doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be up to code I=E2=80=99d question=
 whether the sub panel was installed to code also. If it isn=E2=80=99t a rea=
l sub panel, but rather just a disconnect there may be something farther bac=
k in the system that is supplying the GFCI function, either a GFCI breaker i=
n another panel or a GFCI outlet in the garage or a bathroom.=20

As for replacing the outlet/cutting the PVC, yes it can be done on the strai=
ght conduct. If it were me, I=E2=80=99d cut the conduit back to a straight p=
art and then complete the conduit with a flexible conduit like what is used o=
n an A/C unit. That way I=E2=80=99d the outlet gets hit or stressed it won=E2=
=80=99t break like your old one. I=E2=80=99d also install an in use cover on=
 the Outlet box so that it Will still be water resistant when something is p=
lugged into it.=20

I=E2=80=99d be happy to discuss this further with you if desired.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=BF
I have this:

https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg

Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround the pool deck for ornamenta=
tion, I guess.=20

Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the whole th=
ing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I look=
 at it.

The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden' th=
en six feet of concrete decking. Those outlets themselves don't appear to be=
 GFCI, though I'd think it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, o=
n the side of the house maybe forty feet away.

I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual ou=
tlet, I'm soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice' c=
onduit so I dig and then do it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing f=
irmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can think of too--I=
 was thinking I could pour a concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole for a=
 gang box and then put that where this thing is now, etc.

Thanks guys.

Scott
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Scott,<div><br></div><div>Several thoughts.=
 There needs to be a GFCI Function on any outside circuit. It could be a GFC=
I breaker in a panel or a GFCI outlet.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I woul=
d get a GFCI outlet tester to see If the circuit has the GFCI functionality s=
omewhere. It=E2=80=99s redundant to have a GFCI outlet &amp; breaker on the s=
ame circuit.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Since this outlet doesn=E2=80=99=
t seem to be up to code I=E2=80=99d question whether the sub panel was insta=
lled to code also. If it isn=E2=80=99t a real sub panel, but rather just a d=
isconnect there may be something farther back in the system that is supplyin=
g the GFCI function, either a GFCI breaker in another panel or a GFCI outlet=
 in the garage or a bathroom.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>As for replacin=
g the outlet/cutting the PVC, yes it can be done on the straight conduct. If=
 it were me, I=E2=80=99d cut the conduit back to a straight part and then co=
mplete the conduit with a flexible conduit like what is used on an A/C unit.=
 That way I=E2=80=99d the outlet gets hit or stressed it won=E2=80=99t break=
 like your old one. I=E2=80=99d also install an in use cover on the Outlet b=
ox so that it Will still be water resistant when something is plugged into i=
t.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99d be happy to discuss this furth=
er with you if desired.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<=
/div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Hu=
manity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:=
45 PM, Scott Hall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">I have this:<div><br></div><div><=
a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg">https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg</=
a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg">https://i.imgur=
.com/s39fdds.jpg</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Happening at the new house=
. Those rocks surround the pool deck for ornamentation, I guess.&nbsp;</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like t=
o re-do the whole thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervo=
us every time I look at it.</div><div><br></div><div>The pool is about eight=
 feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden' then six feet of concrete=
 decking. Those outlets themselves don't appear to be GFCI, though I'd think=
 it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side of the house=
 maybe forty feet away.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm completely okay with th=
rowing the breaker and installing a new actual outlet, I'm soliciting advice=
 on how to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice' conduit so I dig and then do=
 it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing firmly to the ground. And f=
or specific solutions you guys can think of too--I was thinking I could pour=
 a concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole for a gang box and then put tha=
t where this thing is now, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks guys.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Scott</div></div>
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From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:12:20 -0500

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Scott, I like the idea of the box being a bit above the ground. Water
couldn't pool in it that way. All of the outside surface mount boxes I've
put in in the last several years have been plastic. Reduces the chance of
shortin if water does get inside. And I wrap each plug with electrical tape
to further reduce shorting possibilities.

If the conduit is in decent shape you can reuse it if you want. I'd pull
new wire, using the old wire to pull the new, suggest #12 stranded. You can
put a GFCI breaker in the panel, or a GFCI plug, but you need one or the
other. If you cast a "rock" to disguise this thing (I like the idea) be
sure to put a drain hole so that any water that does get inside the box
drains naturally.

HTH, RD

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:45 PM Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround the pool deck for
> ornamentation, I guess.
>
> Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the whole
> thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I
> look at it.
>
> The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden'
> then six feet of concrete decking. Those outlets themselves don't appear to
> be GFCI, though I'd think it was a good idea. They have their own
> sub-panel, on the side of the house maybe forty feet away.
>
> I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual
> outlet, I'm soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you
> 'splice' conduit so I dig and then do it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the
> whole thing firmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can
> think of too--I was thinking I could pour a concrete 'rock' in the garage
> with a hole for a gang box and then put that where this thing is now, etc.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Scott
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott, I like the idea of the box being a bit above the gr=
ound. Water couldn&#39;t pool in it that way. All of the outside surface mo=
unt boxes I&#39;ve put in in the last several years have been plastic. Redu=
ces the chance of shortin if water does get inside. And I wrap each plug wi=
th electrical tape to further reduce shorting possibilities.<div><br></div>=
<div>If the conduit is in decent shape you can reuse it if you want. I&#39;=
d pull new wire, using the old wire to pull the new, suggest #12 stranded. =
You can put a GFCI breaker in the panel, or a GFCI plug, but you need one o=
r the other. If you cast a &quot;rock&quot; to disguise this thing (I like =
the idea) be sure to put a drain hole so that any water that does get insid=
e the box drains naturally.</div><div><br></div><div>HTH, RD=C2=A0=C2=A0</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:45 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.h=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I hav=
e this:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"=
https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://i.imgur.com/s39f=
dds.jpg</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Happening at the new house. Those =
rocks surround the pool deck for ornamentation, I guess.=C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I&#39;d like to =
re-do the whole thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervou=
s every time I look at it.</div><div><br></div><div>The pool is about eight=
 feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...&#39;garden&#39; then six feet of=
 concrete decking. Those outlets themselves don&#39;t appear to be GFCI, th=
ough I&#39;d think it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on th=
e side of the house maybe forty feet away.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m=
 completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual outl=
et, I&#39;m soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you &#39;sp=
lice&#39; conduit so I dig and then do it like I&#39;d do PVC?) and anchor =
the whole thing firmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys c=
an think of too--I was thinking I could pour a concrete &#39;rock&#39; in t=
he garage with a hole for a gang box and then put that where this thing is =
now, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks guys.</div><div><br></div><div>Sc=
ott</div></div>
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Yep, dig down a bit to find some of the conduit that is in good shape.
Glue on new conduit as needed.  I'd recommend new THHNW wires, pulled form
the box on the house.  Put your GFCI in the box on the house, I think it
needs to be in the circuit before it goes underground.  I'd drop a piece of
pressure treated 4x4 post to attach the new box to.  If you cast it in
concrete and end up having to make a fix again later, it will be a major
pain.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yep, dig down a bit to find some of the conduit that is in=
 good shape.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Glue on new conduit as needed.=C2=A0 I&#39;d recom=
mend new THHNW wires, pulled form the box on the house.=C2=A0 Put your GFCI=
 in the box on the house, I think it needs to be in the circuit before it g=
oes underground.=C2=A0 I&#39;d drop a piece of pressure treated 4x4 post to=
 attach the new box to.=C2=A0 If you cast it in concrete and end up having =
to make a fix again later, it will be a major pain.=C2=A0 <br></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 1=
0, 2020 at 1:45 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gma=
il.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have this:<div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://i.imgur.com/QWy2Ikn.jpg</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.=
com/s39fdds.jpg" target=3D"_blank">https://i.imgur.com/s39fdds.jpg</a><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround t=
he pool deck for ornamentation, I guess.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Sho=
ckingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I&#39;d like to re-do the whole =
thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I l=
ook at it.</div><div><br></div><div>The pool is about eight feet away. Mayb=
e two feet of that rock...&#39;garden&#39; then six feet of concrete deckin=
g. Those outlets themselves don&#39;t appear to be GFCI, though I&#39;d thi=
nk it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side of the ho=
use maybe forty feet away.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m completely okay=
 with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual outlet, I&#39;m soli=
citing advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you &#39;splice&#39; condui=
t so I dig and then do it like I&#39;d do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing =
firmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can think of too-=
-I was thinking I could pour a concrete &#39;rock&#39; in the garage with a=
 hole for a gang box and then put that where this thing is now, etc.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Thanks guys.</div><div><br></div><div>Scott</div></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:53:54 -0400

Pat said he's put an in-use cover.  I'd add that the NEC requires an
in-use cover in this spot, and it's just smart to do it anyway.  John
said mount it on a 4x4, that's probably easiest, unless you are going
for aesthetics, in which case the cast rock may be an option.  You
could also get one of those fake rocks that goes over a well pump and
mount it in that somehow.

Pull new wires, make sure there's GFCI protection, and rock on!

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:05 PM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Several thoughts. There needs to be a GFCI Function on any outside circuit. It could be a GFCI breaker in a panel or a GFCI outlet.
>
> I would get a GFCI outlet tester to see If the circuit has the GFCI functionality somewhere. It’s redundant to have a GFCI outlet & breaker on the same circuit.
>
> Since this outlet doesn’t seem to be up to code I’d question whether the sub panel was installed to code also. If it isn’t a real sub panel, but rather just a disconnect there may be something farther back in the system that is supplying the GFCI function, either a GFCI breaker in another panel or a GFCI outlet in the garage or a bathroom.
>
> As for replacing the outlet/cutting the PVC, yes it can be done on the straight conduct. If it were me, I’d cut the conduit back to a straight part and then complete the conduit with a flexible conduit like what is used on an A/C unit. That way I’d the outlet gets hit or stressed it won’t break like your old one. I’d also install an in use cover on the Outlet box so that it Will still be water resistant when something is plugged into it.
>
> I’d be happy to discuss this further with you if desired.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> 
> I have this:
>
> Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround the pool deck for ornamentation, I guess.
>
> Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the whole thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous every time I look at it.
>
> The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that rock...'garden' then six feet of concrete decking. Those outlets themselves don't appear to be GFCI, though I'd think it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side of the house maybe forty feet away.
>
> I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new actual outlet, I'm soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice' conduit so I dig and then do it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing firmly to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can think of too--I was thinking I could pour a concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole for a gang box and then put that where this thing is now, etc.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Scott
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Scott - You have received good advice.

- Cut the conduit back to a straight section then run new.  It might be 
helpful to have a compact pipe cutter if you intend to not pull new 
wire.  Sample cutter: 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-101-Tube-Cutter-1-4-in-to-1-1-8-in-40617/100075014 

- If not running new wire, take about a foot of conduit out and shift 
the location so you have fresh wire.  It looks like the insulation is 
damaged where the conduit broke.
- Agree with the in-use cover others suggested.
- Agree about having the GFCI protecting the wire too.  Put it at an 
upstream outlet or as the breaker.
- Agree with the suggestion to use a 4x4 post.
- Suspect the installation was not permitted.  Might be good to have an 
electrician look at your sub-panel.  As an example, if the neutral wires 
share a bus bar with the ground wires and panel box, that is likely 
wrong.  Per my local codes, the only place ground and neutral wires can 
share a bus bar is the main panel.
- Make sure the wires are sized for the circuit breaker.  12GA for 20A 
and 14GA for 15A.

Brian

On 7/10/2020 11:44 AM, Scott Hall wrote:
> Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to re-do the 
> whole thing to be anchored into the ground and not make me nervous 
> every time I look at it.
>
> The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that 
> rock...'garden' then six feet of concrete decking. Those outlets 
> themselves don't appear to be GFCI, though I'd think it was a good 
> idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side of the house maybe 
> forty feet away.
>
> I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and installing a new 
> actual outlet, I'm soliciting advice on how to re-do that conduit (can 
> you 'splice' conduit so I dig and then do it like I'd do PVC?) and 
> anchor the whole thing firmly to the ground. And for specific 
> solutions you guys can think of too--I was thinking I could pour a 
> concrete 'rock' in the garage with a hole for a gang box and then put 
> that where this thing is now, etc.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Scott
>
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    - Cut the conduit back to a straight section then run new.  It might
    be helpful to have a compact pipe cutter if you intend to not pull
    new wire.  Sample cutter: 
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-101-Tube-Cutter-1-4-in-to-1-1-8-in-40617/100075014">https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-101-Tube-Cutter-1-4-in-to-1-1-8-in-40617/100075014</a>
    <br>
    - If not running new wire, take about a foot of conduit out and
    shift the location so you have fresh wire.  It looks like the
    insulation is damaged where the conduit broke.<br>
    - Agree with the in-use cover others suggested.<br>
    - Agree about having the GFCI protecting the wire too.  Put it at an
    upstream outlet or as the breaker.<br>
    - Agree with the suggestion to use a 4x4 post.<br>
    - Suspect the installation was not permitted.  Might be good to have
    an electrician look at your sub-panel.  As an example, if the
    neutral wires share a bus bar with the ground wires and panel box,
    that is likely wrong.  Per my local codes, the only place ground and
    neutral wires can share a bus bar is the main panel.<br>
    - Make sure the wires are sized for the circuit breaker.  12GA for
    20A and 14GA for 15A.  <br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2020 11:44 AM, Scott Hall
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      <div dir="ltr">I have this:
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        <div>Happening at the new house. Those rocks surround the pool
          deck for ornamentation, I guess. </div>
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        <div>Shockingly (or not, heh), those outlets work. I'd like to
          re-do the whole thing to be anchored into the ground and not
          make me nervous every time I look at it.</div>
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        <div>The pool is about eight feet away. Maybe two feet of that
          rock...'garden' then six feet of concrete decking. Those
          outlets themselves don't appear to be GFCI, though I'd think
          it was a good idea. They have their own sub-panel, on the side
          of the house maybe forty feet away.</div>
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        <div>I'm completely okay with throwing the breaker and
          installing a new actual outlet, I'm soliciting advice on how
          to re-do that conduit (can you 'splice' conduit so I dig and
          then do it like I'd do PVC?) and anchor the whole thing firmly
          to the ground. And for specific solutions you guys can think
          of too--I was thinking I could pour a concrete 'rock' in the
          garage with a hole for a gang box and then put that where this
          thing is now, etc.</div>
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        <div>Thanks guys.</div>
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        <div>Scott</div>
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