Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep

From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:42:13 -0700

Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier 
what they recommend?  I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser 
then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.  I did this on a second 
hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy paint.  
Still looks good after 20+ years.

Here is a sample product that looks like what I used:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369
or
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348

Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions.  
Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: 
https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel

Brian

On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> Listers,
>
> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using 
> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on 
> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? 
> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note the 
> iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.
>
> TIA,
> Bob
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:16:22 -0700

Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works 
for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I 
think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone 
follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can 
paint job, so nothing fancy.

I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any 
products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the 
environmentalists might have taken issue with it.
Bob

On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote:
> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.  I did this on a 
> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy 
> paint.  Still looks good after 20+ years.
>
>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note 
>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Bob

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From: Donald H Locker <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:43:52 -0400

Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has
unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple
Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else]
and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant.

Donald.
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:50:02 -0700

I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing required (the gate is in 
dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper 
for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their 
website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to do 
the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several 
groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody 
decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?'

Bob

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From: RandE <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 21:26:54 -0500

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Protestors need it for the graffiti art.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Protestors need it for the graffiti art.<div><br></div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@com=
cast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing r=
equired (the gate is in <br>
dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper <br=
for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their <br=
website claimed and Lowe&#39;s wasn&#39;t much better but I found enough to=
 do <br>
the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several <br>
groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody <br>
decided to re-paint everything while on &#39;lockdown?&#39;<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote:<br>
&gt; Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has<br>
&gt; unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple=
<br>
&gt; Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something els=
e]<br>
&gt; and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Donald.<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; *Plain Text* email -- it&#39;s an accessibility issue<br>
&gt; () no proprietary attachments; no html mail<br>
&gt; /\ &lt;<a href=3D"https://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.=
shtml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.georgedillon.com/we=
b/html_email_is_evil.shtml</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who =
works<br>
&gt;&gt; for me sometimes (he&#39;s a garage door contractor). It&#39;s raw=
 steel, so I<br>
&gt;&gt; think I&#39;ll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an ace=
tone<br>
&gt;&gt; follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It&#39;s gonna be a ratt=
le-can<br>
&gt;&gt; paint job, so nothing fancy.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn&#39;t see any<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; environmentalists might have taken issue with it.<br>
&gt;&gt; Bob<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the su=
pplier<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; what they recommend?=C2=A0 I&#39;d start with your favorite cl=
eaner/degreaser<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; then use a phosphoric acid &quot;metal prep&quot; product.=C2=
=A0 I did this on a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an=
 epoxy<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; paint.=C2=A0 Still looks good after 20+ years.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is a sample product that looks like what I used:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concr=
ete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Et=
ch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; or<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-M=
etal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://ww=
w.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different direc=
tions.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal=
:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-c=
ontractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors=
/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Brian<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I&#39;ll=
 paint it using<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List=
 wisdom on<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thi=
nner, etc.?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I know they&#39;d all work pretty well; any favorites? Dra=
wbacks? Note<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob<br>
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