Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ?

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:12:35 -0700

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I think your best bet is a tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with Batter=
yMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect some dead batteries with pulses to b=
reak up sulfation; I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come b=
ack to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to t=
op up the battery is bad for the engine.

Bob

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 AM, stan <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months,=
 while she
> was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
> vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start
> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this
> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead=
,
> no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did=

> not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.
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> I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.=20
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> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/
> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up  charger, and
> hope? ...
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think your best bet is a=
 tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with BatteryMinder). The BM claims it=
 can resurrect <i>some </i>dead batteries with pulses to break up sulfation;=
 I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come back to life leave t=
he tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to top up the battery i=
s bad for the engine.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 A=
M, stan &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span> friend of mine left her vehi=
cle at her house for several months, while she</span><br><span> was away on t=
he west coast. A new battery had been installed in this</span><br><span> veh=
icle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start</span><=
br><span> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagin=
e this</span><br><span> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the b=
attery is totally dead,</span><br><span> no lights, or gauges come one when t=
he ignition switch is turned on. I did</span><br><span> not have a voltmeter=
 with me when I was there.</span><br><span></span><br><span> I would hate to=
 have to buy yet another new battery for this car. </span><br><span></span><=
br><span> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this bat=
tery/</span><br><span> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just ho=
ok up &nbsp;charger, and</span><br><span> hope? ...</span><br><span></span><=
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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:33:28 -0700

On 6/10/2020 8:12 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> I think your best bet is a tender (I’ve had good results with 
> BatteryMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect /some /dead batteries 
> with pulses to break up sulfation; I’d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it 
> does come back to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running 
> at idle just to top up the battery is bad for the engine.

The recovery/desulfating mode on some chargers work very well, and on 
some it's a joke.

I've got a NOCO Genius 7200 that works well, the main thing is that if 
the battery is completely dead the 12V repair cycle won't even activate, 
you've got to charge it on the 6V setting until it gets just enough 
voltage for the charger to see it.

John.

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:01:20 -0500

The battery shouldn’t have discharged completely after a few months. Take it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement should be in warranty. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan <[email-masked]> wrote:

 friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she
was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start
the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this
did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead,
no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did
not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.

I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. 

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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:04:29 -0700

This is humor, right?

With any recent vehicle the parasitic loads will kill the battery in 6-8 weeks.

John.

On June 10, 2020 9:01:35 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The battery shouldn’t have discharged completely after a few months. Take 
> it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement 
> should be in warranty.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:06:16 -0700

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I completely agree with Pat.

It should have a date on it and will be warranted for X months after the
purchase.

She probably can just get a free battery in exchange if they cannot revive
it at the store.

best,

doug

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:01 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few mont=
hs. Take
> =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months=
, while
> she
> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dea=
d,
> no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I di=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I completely agree with Pat.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It s=
hould have a date on it and will be warranted=C2=A0for X months after the p=
urchase.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>She probably can just get a free ba=
ttery in exchange if they cannot revive it at the store.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:0=
1 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">patintexas@iclo=
ud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex">The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few =
months. Take it back to where it was bought &amp; let them charge&amp; test=
 it. Replacement should be in warranty. <br>
<br>
Peace,<br>
Pat<br>
<br>
Pat Horne <br>
We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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=EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, =
while she<br>
was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this<br>
vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start<br>
the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this<br=
did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead,=
<br>
no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did<=
br>
not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.<br>
<br>
I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. <br>
<br>
What is the list&#39;s collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/=
<br>
Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up=C2=A0 charger, a=
nd<br>
hope? ...<br>
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:06:52 -0400

Does the battery have a warantee? If it will not hold a charge you might 
be able to get it replaced.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

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Ok, two things to try here, this is the FIRST and LAST options (different 
batteries tenders are all the steps in between.)

FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a 
warrantee.  Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how 
to) test the battery and just give you a new one.

LAST thing to try, before buying a new battery.  WARNING-  if you are a 
eco-warrior, you may want to skip this! I know the thought of this may be 
re*volt*ing!  8>)

If the battery is not a sealed battery, dump all the battery acid out of 
the core.  Refill with normal water and rise it out a couple of times. 
Note, recover ALL the water as it is hazardous.

Once cleaned out, fill with battery acid and put on charger.  There is 
about a 50% chance of this restoring even a sulfated battery this way. 
Dispose of the waste water properly.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ok, two things to try here, this is the
FIRST and LAST options (different batteries tenders are all the steps in
between.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">FIRST- bring it back to where you bought
it, most likely there is a warrantee. &nbsp;Most places (like Walmart and
such) don't care (or know how to) test the battery and just give you a
new one.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">LAST thing to try, before buying a new
battery. &nbsp;WARNING- &nbsp;if you are a eco-warrior, you may want to
skip this! I know the thought of this may be re*volt*ing! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If the battery is not a sealed battery,
dump all the battery acid out of the core. &nbsp;Refill with normal water
and rise it out a couple of times. &nbsp;Note, recover ALL the water as
it is hazardous.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Once cleaned out, fill with battery
acid and put on charger. &nbsp;There is about a 50% chance of this restoring
even a sulfated battery this way. &nbsp;Dispose of the waste water properly.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:37:08 -0700

> to) test the battery and just give you a new one.

One thing I've learned over the years - buy a battery from some place 
convenient.

My nearest Wally is twenty miles away, and the returns desk/line is 
often absurd.   I'll happily pay $10 more to deal with the Autozone 
three miles away, we also have a Costco even closer but they're limited 
in sizes.

I don't EVER buy anything from Walmart that might have to go back.

John.

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From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:31:38 +0000

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Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave it on=
 there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a charger if it =
won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for saving =
the battery

I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  I h=
ave brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank t=
he engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more and=
 now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it do=
es, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventuall=
y kills the battery.

I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as =
a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running strong.

Jack

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Yes&nbsp; a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.&nbsp; L=
eave it on there for at least a week.&nbsp; You may need to boost it with a=
 charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best =
bet for saving the battery
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I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.&nbsp=
; I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely cr=
ank the engine over by leaving them on that &quot;pulse&quot; cycle for a w=
eek or more and now they work great even in the
 cold winter months.&nbsp; What they claim it does, is break down the sulfa=
te growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery.<br>
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I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as =
a precaution.&nbsp; The dying batteries are still running strong.</div>
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From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:37:12 -0700

> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  
> I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely 
> crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week 
> or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.

I have a Noco Genius 7200 charger, and it works reasonably well for 
that, there are times that you need to charge on the 6V setting long 
enough for the charger to find enough life in the battery to 
'recondition' from.

John.

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 15:42:43 -0400

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This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for
batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short the
terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.  When it was fully discharged,
he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of the cells.  Then
fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up.  I'm an engineer, not
a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work
at least once to extend the life of a "dead" battery.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave it
> on there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a charger if
> it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for
> saving the battery
>
> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  I
> have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank
> the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more
> and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it
> does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what
> eventually kills the battery.
>
> I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His s=
olution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to=
 short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.=C2=A0 When it was ful=
ly discharged, he&#39;d turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out =
of the cells.=C2=A0 Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back u=
p.=C2=A0 I&#39;m an engineer, not a chemist, so I don&#39;t understand exac=
tly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a=
 &quot;dead&quot; battery.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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Yes=C2=A0 a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.=C2=A0 L=
eave it on there for at least a week.=C2=A0 You may need to boost it with a=
 charger if it won&#39;t get started for to lie voltage, but that is your b=
est bet for saving the battery
<br>
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:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black;text-align:left">
I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.=C2=
=A0 I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely =
crank the engine over by leaving them on that &quot;pulse&quot; cycle for a=
 week or more and now they work great even in the
 cold winter months.=C2=A0 What they claim it does, is break down the sulfa=
te growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery.<br>
<br>
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I've heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if =
that was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen =
that no one wanted to follow.

jim

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> =
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> This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for =
batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short =
the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.  When it was fully =
discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of =
the cells.  Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up.  =
I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this =
works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" =
battery.
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> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <[email-masked] =
> Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave =
it on there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a =
charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your =
best bet for saving the battery=20
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> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. =
 I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely =
crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week =
or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What =
they claim it does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, =
which is what eventually kills the battery.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I've =
heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if that =
was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen that =
no one wanted to follow.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His =
solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, =
was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.&nbsp; When =
it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the =
sediment out of the cells.&nbsp; Then fill it with distilled water, and =
charge it back up.&nbsp; I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't =
understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to =
extend the life of a "dead" battery.</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun =
21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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Yes&nbsp; a battery tender or battery minder would be you best =
bet.&nbsp; Leave it on there for at least a week.&nbsp; You may need to =
boost it with a charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but =
that is your best bet for saving the battery
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I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the =
tender,.&nbsp; I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that =
would barely crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle =
for a week or more and now they work great even in the
 cold winter months.&nbsp; What they claim it does, is break down the =
sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the =
battery.<br class=3D"">
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I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year =
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