Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

From: "Neil Sherry" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:55:24 +0100

Depends how long term it is - if there's a chance it won't be there long, you could just scrape back and drop it in. What I have done with sectional wooden sheds is to put down some concrete paving slabs (normally 2 foot squares) just laid on sand, to give a decent base that is quick to do and easy to move or get rid of as needs change. I know it might sink, but it's been good enough.
Neil

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Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:55:49 -0500

Mark,

It depends on the soil & the construction of the plastic floor. 

If you have hard soil that doesn’t move around or get very soft when wet & the floor has a bottom rather than just sides which would make it a good cookie cutter, I’d just put it on the dirt. I’d try to pick a spot where the dirt is a bit higher so it in the middle of a lake. 

Another foundation is to use pavers under the floor. They would be a lot cheaper than a slab & can be relocated or releveled as needed. 

A poured pad may require a permit. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

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I've installed and moved these types of sheds.  in fact, i have one on my 
gun range to hold targets.

As long as the ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or 
it will not go together correctly.

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I've installed and
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hold targets.</span>
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ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or it will not
go together correctly.</span>
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:27:25 -0600

I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting base, but I 
think the basic concrete pavers squares will be fine. Pouring a slab is 
verging on overkill, if I want to move the shed a few years down the 
line, the slab would not be something you could just pick up and move 
with it.  I may just go with a couple of buckets of pea gravel spread 
out and leveled.

mjb.

ps: I'm glad I am getting responses, the network is working thus far, 
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Buy a big bag of portland cement. After leveling the dirt, water it them 
mix the bag of cement to about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now 
made soil cement.

On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, 
> switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the 
> moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service 
> disruption.  We shall see.
>
> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am 
> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough 
> to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the 
> garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need 
> the room to actually get some work done on my cars.
>
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab 
> as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the 
> dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and 
> have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a 
> foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed!
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Buy a big bag of portland cement. 
      After leveling the dirt, water it them mix the bag of cement to
      about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now made soil cement.</div>
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      off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,
      switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At
      the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no
      service disruption.  We shall see.
      <br>
      <br>
      Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way
      I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one
      big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc.
      Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in
      the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my
      cars.
      <br>
      <br>
      It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic
      slab as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space
      in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the
      way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally
      poured as a foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed!
      <br>
      <br>
      mjb.
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 We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim=
 it up to get the doors to work.=C2=A0 These are light, durable and inexpen=
sive but not very sturdy.=C2=A0 You can probably get by with scraping the d=
irt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may =
have to tug the get the doors open and closed.
Still might be less work than pouring a slab.
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,=20
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the=
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moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service=20
disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to=20
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden=20
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to=20
actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic slab a=
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<div> <font size="3">We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim it up to get the doors to work.&nbsp; These are light, durable and inexpensive but not very sturdy.&nbsp; You can probably get by with scraping the dirt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may have to tug the get the doors open and closed.</font></div>

<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size="3">Still might be less work than pouring a slab.</font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Mark J Bradakis &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.&nbsp; At the <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">disruption.&nbsp; We shall see.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">actually get some work done on my cars.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.&nbsp; It comes with a plastic slab as <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">the floor.&nbsp; What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">that is fairly level and call it good?&nbsp; Or go all the way and have a <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?&nbsp; <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">That will likely cost more than the shed!<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">mjb.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
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Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of gravel
within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.  It was sunk partly into the ground
on one side to make it level.  It has worked out fine.  (I should have used
a bit more gravel to allow for settling.)

Doug

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> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to
> hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden
> stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as
> the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt
> that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a
> small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?
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<div dir=3D"auto">Several years ago I got an 8x8&#39; wooden shed, and I ma=
de a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.=C2=A0 It was sun=
k partly into the ground on one side to make it level.=C2=A0 It has worked =
out fine.=C2=A0 (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling=
.)<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Doug</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2=
020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mark=
@bradakis.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">First =
off. I&#39;ll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, <br>
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the=
 <br>
moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service <br>
disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see.<br>
<br>
Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am <br>
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I&#39;m looking at one big enough t=
o <br>
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden <br=
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to <b=
r>
actually get some work done on my cars.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic sl=
ab as <br>
the floor.=C2=A0 What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt <=
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that is fairly level and call it good?=C2=A0 Or go all the way and have a <=
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small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?=C2=A0=
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That will likely cost more than the shed!<br>
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 Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel wi=
ll flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
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From: Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting base, but I=20
think the basic concrete pavers squares will be fine. Pouring a slab is=20
verging on overkill, if I want to move the shed a few years down the=20
line, the slab would not be something you could just pick up and move=20
with it.=C2=A0 I may just go with a couple of buckets of pea gravel spread=
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out and leveled.

mjb.

ps: I'm glad I am getting responses, the network is working thus far,=20
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable bas=
e.&nbsp; Pea gravel will flow and will not be as stable.&nbsp; Ask me how I=
 know.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.  Pea gravel 
> will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask me how I know.
>

Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.

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I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 front.  I =
have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I =E2=80=98temporarily=E2=
=80=99 put up a few years ago.  Since it was only temporary, I got lazy =
and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the surface.  Instead, I took two =
3/4=E2=80=9D 4X8 sheets of pressure treated plywood and screwed them =
onto a couple of p/t 2x4=E2=80=99s to form a base.  I shimmed the whole =
thing until it was sort of level and then built the shed on top of that. =
 The doors have never opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse =
over time as the makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it. =20=

I agree that a poured foundation is probably overkill, but it would =
definitely be worth spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a =
compacted, FLAT, LEVEL surface. =20

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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of =
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> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20=

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> hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the =
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class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 =
front. &nbsp;I have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I =
=E2=80=98temporarily=E2=80=99 put up a few years ago. &nbsp;Since it was =
only temporary, I got lazy and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the =
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class=3D"">On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun &lt;<a =
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made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.&nbsp; It =
was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level.&nbsp; It =
has worked out fine.&nbsp; (I should have used a bit more gravel to =
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From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:38:01 -0400

I'd recommend crushed concrete. Way, way cheaper than a lot of other
options and it locks together really well and sheds water. I've used
it to pave a large parking pad for trailers and other equipment and I
was really happy with it. It would be perfect for a shed base.

I just purchased a building (my new shop!) with a 12x48 lean-to and
I'm planning to grade underneath the lean-to and pave that and the
approaches to the building with crushed concrete.

-Paul

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 Anything with sharp edges will be better than river rock.=C2=A0 River rock=
 has smooth edges and corners and don't lock.=C2=A0 It will settle and flow=
.=C2=A0 If you can get crushed granite it will be great.
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To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel=
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> will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
>

mjb.

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rock.&nbsp; River rock has smooth edges and corners and don't lock.&nbsp; I=
t will settle and flow.&nbsp; If you can get crushed granite it will be gre=
at.</font><br>
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From: Mark J Bradakis &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt; Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.&nbsp; Pea grav=
el <br clear=3D"none">&gt; will flow and will not be as stable.&nbsp; Ask m=
e how I know.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">H=
mm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.
<div class=3D"yqt8087211619" id=3D"yqtfd89899"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
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> Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.

Crushed lava?

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J Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
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x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 6/1=
1/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:<br>
&gt; Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea grave=
l <br>
&gt; will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.<br>
&gt;<br>
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Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><b=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:54:30 +0000 (UTC)

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 That's an option.=C2=A0 What else do they have in Salt Lake City?=C2=A0 Oh=
, yeah, salt.=C2=A0 ;-)
Seriously, lava, crushed concrete, anything that will pack tightly and won'=
t dissolve in the the rain would work best.
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Crushed lava?

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<div> <font size="3">That's an option.&nbsp; What else do they have in Salt Lake City?&nbsp; Oh, yeah, salt.&nbsp; ;-)</font></div>

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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Mark J Bradakis &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2020 7:15 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?<br>
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<div class="yiv2797235047gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
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&gt; Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.&nbsp; Pea gravel <br clear="none">
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