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OD,

Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences.

I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire 
changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer 
and balancer combo.

I am glad I bought them.  The money is hard to justify as it will take 
over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it.

While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire 
was cut from my last scrap yard run.  With the changer being so easy to 
use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it. 
Total time, about 15 mins.  Without the changer, I don't think I would 
have tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at 
the mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price.

I look forward to your tool reviews.  I may add one or two.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">OD,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire changer
for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balancer
combo.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am glad I bought them. &nbsp;The money
is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for
itself, but I really like it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">While doing the restore on my dually
F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run.
&nbsp;With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked
out the damage, and tried to patch it. &nbsp;Total time, about 15 mins.
&nbsp;Without the changer, I don't think I would have tried to do a dually
tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying
a new tire and paying the price.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I look forward to your tool reviews.
&nbsp;I may add one or two.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:01:28 -0700
To: eric@megageek.com
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Hi Eric,

Yes, your comment:

               I am glad I bought them.  The money is hard to justify as it
will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like
it.

Hits to the heart of this discussion. Over the decades I have changed
scores of tires on the floor with tire irons because in my mind I was being
smarter for not spending hundreds of dollars for something that I could do
"for free" with the tools I had.

I wish I had been better to myself all those years. I really enjoy using
high-quality tools. Using good tools improves the quality of the shop
experience.

Some of you may have read *Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance: an inquiry into values*, 1974, Bantam Book. If not, I would
suggest it, particularly if you are not a motorcyclist.

He states, to the effect, that (my paraphrase) We should not rush through
the maintenance process, that we learn about ourselves during the process.
The process has value. We should enjoy the act of maintenance

I believe it, and using high quality tools for the process greatly enhances
the experience.

best,

doug


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> OD,
>
> Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences.
>
> I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire
> changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and
> balancer combo.
>
> I am glad I bought them.  The money is hard to justify as it will take
> over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it.
>
> While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire
> was cut from my last scrap yard run.  With the changer being so easy to
> use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it.
> Total time, about 15 mins.  Without the changer, I don't think I would have
> tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the
> mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price.
>
> I look forward to your tool reviews.  I may add one or two.
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Eric,<div><br></div><div>Yes, your comment:</div><div><=
br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 </span><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">=
=C2=A0I am glad I bought them.=C2=A0 The money is hard to justify as it wil=
l take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it<=
/font><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">.</span>=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Hits to the heart of this discussion. Over the decades =
I have changed scores of tires on the floor with tire irons because in my m=
ind I was being smarter for not spending hundreds of dollars for something =
that I could do &quot;for free&quot; with the tools I had.</div><div><br></=
div><div>I wish I had been better to myself all those=C2=A0years. I really =
enjoy using high-quality tools. Using good tools improves the quality of th=
e shop experience.</div><div><br></div><div>Some of you may have read <i><b=
>Pirsig&#39;s Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: an inquiry into va=
lues</b></i>, 1974, Bantam Book. If not, I would suggest it, particularly i=
f you are not a motorcyclist.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>He states, to =
the effect, that (my paraphrase) We should not rush through the maintenance=
 process, that we learn about ourselves during the process. The process has=
 value. We should enjoy the act of maintenance</div><div><br></div><div>I b=
elieve it, and using high quality tools for the process greatly enhances th=
e experience.</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug<=
/div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:er=
ic@megageek.com" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">OD,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks for sharing the tire tool e=
xperiences.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I purchased their &#39;no mar&#39; bar and used it with a Harbor Freight ti=
re changer
for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balance=
r
combo.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I am glad I bought them.=C2=A0 The=
 money
is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for
itself, but I really like it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">While doing the restore on my dual=
ly
F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run.
=C2=A0With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked
out the damage, and tried to patch it.=C2=A0 Total time, about 15 mins.
=C2=A0Without the changer, I don&#39;t think I would have tried to do a dua=
lly
tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying
a new tire and paying the price.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I look forward to your tool review=
s.
=C2=A0I may add one or two.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font></blockquote></div>

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And now for something completely unexpected!  Well, if you are one of my 
Facebook friends, no real surprise.  One passion of mine is cooking.  
And appreciation of proper tools for the job is present in all endeavors.

That eggbeater is most likely older than many folks on this list. I 
wouldn't be surprised if Karen's grandmother got it from her 
grandmother.  And it can make a batch of whipped cream that is head and 
shoulders above anything my electric mixer can do.

The potato masher is no doubt more modern, probably dating from late 
Fifties or early Sixties.  It has one job, to mash potatoes. And that it 
can do.  But when I'm doing say, 10 pounds of taters for one of Karen's 
church functions, I dig out the Kitchenaid.  I may be crazy, but I'm not 
stupid!

mjb.



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From: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:13:15 -0500
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Vintage wiring?
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I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded
connectors fo automotive and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of the
guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE
color code.

Thanks

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.? One of the guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair w=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Vintage wiring?
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Maybe this one:

http://www.britishwiring.com/Bullets-Snap-Connectors-s/47.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=47&show=10&page=2


Best,

doug

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 7:14 PM Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded
> connectors fo automotive and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of the
> guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE
> color code.
>
> Thanks
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe this one:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.b=
ritishwiring.com/Bullets-Snap-Connectors-s/47.htm?searching=3DY&amp;sort=3D=
5&amp;cat=3D47&amp;show=3D10&amp;page=3D2">http://www.britishwiring.com/Bul=
lets-Snap-Connectors-s/47.htm?searching=3DY&amp;sort=3D5&amp;cat=3D47&amp;s=
how=3D10&amp;page=3D2</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><b=
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dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 7:14 PM Ronnie Day =
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ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded c=
onnectors fo automotive=C2=A0and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of t=
he guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE =
color code.<div><br></div><div>Thanks</div></div>
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I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate r=
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Hi =96 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) =
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For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have =
requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a =
forklift-compatible pallet.=20

I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking =
care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use =
angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you =
use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around =
the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently.=20

If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the =
gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're =
comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard =
"walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up =
momentum.

jim

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry <neiljsherry@talktalk.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi =E2=80=93 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from =
the UK) =E2=80=93 best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any =
suggestions on how to wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the =
oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=
=93 which would make it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need =
to box it in? What have you done?
> Thanks
> Neil
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starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have requirements =
for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a =
forklift-compatible pallet.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye =
bolts, taking care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You =
could also use angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing =
mounting holes, if you use enough that a rotational torque won't break =
off the casting around the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes =
violently.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets =
around the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that =
until you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of =
cardboard "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to =
build up momentum.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to =
wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, =
strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=93 which would make =
it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need to box it in? What =
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	When I shipped my od gearbox (I used FedEx) I built a wooden =
crate around the gearbox from 1X2s and 3/8 plywood bolting the gearbox =
to the crate.  I used that crate several times and never had any damage. =
 It added some weight to the shipping, but the sold protection was worth =
it.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> =
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> For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have =
requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a =
forklift-compatible pallet.=20
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> I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking =
care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use =
angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you =
use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around =
the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently.=20
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> If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around =
the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until =
you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard =
"walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up =
momentum.
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> jim
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>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry <neiljsherry@talktalk.net =
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>> Hi =E2=80=93 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from =
the UK) =E2=80=93 best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any =
suggestions on how to wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the =
oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=
=93 which would make it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need =
to box it in? What have you done?
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>> Neil
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>When I =
shipped my od gearbox (I used FedEx) I built a wooden crate around the =
gearbox from 1X2s and 3/8 plywood bolting the gearbox to the crate. =
&nbsp;I used that crate several times and never had any damage. &nbsp;It =
added some weight to the shipping, but the sold protection was worth =
it.<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
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class=3D"">On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jim Franklin &lt;<a =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">For starters I would =
ask the shipping company. They often have requirements for items of a =
certain weight, such as strapping it to a forklift-compatible =
pallet.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have =
strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking care when =
I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use angle =
brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you use =
enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around the =
hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If it's small enough, =
you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the gearbox, then drop =
that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're comfortable that it =
won't roll through the x number of cardboard "walls"). The tighter the =
better so it doesn't get a chance to build up momentum.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi =E2=80=93=
 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) =E2=80=93 =
best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to =
wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, =
strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=93 which would make =
it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need to box it in? What =
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I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal 
truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For 
shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier 
for the shipper to move it.

On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:
>
> Hi – I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) – 
> best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to 
> wrap it – I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap 
> it down to some ¾” plywood – which would make it slide and not fall 
> over – but do I need to box it in? What have you done?
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil
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          could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ¾”
          plywood – which would make it slide and not fall over – but do
          I need to box it in? What have you done?<o:p></o:p></p>
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>Mjb writes about 2 favorite kitchen tools.

I want to share an experance. I HATE to cook.  Being a 49 year old 
bachelor, you would think that I would have gotten over that by now, but 
NO.

Then, in an auction lot I purchased for my store, there were some brand 
new high end (real high end) pots and pans.  I needed a new frying pan as 
the "as seen on TV copper pan" I was using was garbage.  So I took the 
frying pan and tried it.

It made AWESOME eggs.  They were so good, I started to try to cook other 
things. Now, I still hate to cook, but I don't mind it AS much if I'm 
using that pan.

That pan has seen a lot of use over the past year since I got it, and I'm 
pretty protective of it.

Funny how a tool can change us.



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt;Mjb writes about 2 favorite kitchen
tools.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I want to share an experance. I HATE to cook. &nbsp;Being a 49 year old
bachelor, you would think that I would have gotten over that by now, but
NO.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Then, in an auction lot I purchased
for my store, there were some brand new high end (real high end) pots and
pans. &nbsp;I needed a new frying pan as the &quot;as seen on TV copper
pan&quot; I was using was garbage. &nbsp;So I took the frying pan and tried
it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It made AWESOME eggs. &nbsp;They were
so good, I started to try to cook other things. Now, I still hate to cook,
but I don't mind it AS much if I'm using that pan.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">That pan has seen a lot of use over
the past year since I got it, and I'm pretty protective of it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Funny how a tool can change us.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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>Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.

I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas.

Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized.  You can make a pallet 
just larger than the unit.

I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.)  then 
bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top 
layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the 
gearbox.

I hope this makes sense.  I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to 
tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top.

Let me know if you have any other quesitons.

Thanks

Mule



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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt;Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm not sure what size you are talking
about, but here are some ideas.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be
palletized. &nbsp;You can make a pallet just larger than the unit.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I simple way to do it is to find a hard
sized box (wood or metal.) &nbsp;then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and
the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the
box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I hope this makes sense. &nbsp;I would
also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't
stack other items on top.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Let me know if you have any other quesitons.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Thanks</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Mule</font>
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Hi guys,

I  bought a pair of these this winter primarily for use with cars, but I
really like the Zendex Rakjak two bag air jack. I have been using them for
motorcycles as well.

In the attached link to a photo where I am removing and reinstalling the
rear wheel for my Sportster tire change, sliding the axle in through the
swing arm, the disk brake, the belt adjusters, etc., always is a little
tricky getting everything lined up height-wise while pushing the axle
through.

With the air jack, you can push the up/down buttons with one finger, raise
or lower the lift by small fractions of an inch, and eyeball the axle
alignment with the various components. The precision, smoothness, and
controllability of the lifting is pretty amazing:
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=446D39C8B1E43758&id=446D39C8B1E43758%21166810&parId=446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&o=OneUp


They are US-made, support 2 tons each, very well built, very fast lifting,
good enough for professional shop use, all parts are replaceable, but they
are pricey.

If you were going to use it on trucks/vans/SUVs, I would recommend the
three bag model as it would give you more lift. The three bag model
probably would not fit under most sporty cars.

Definitely not a necessity (sort of like changing tires on the floor versus
the tire changer), but it makes jobs much easier with one man doing it, and
is much faster.

Downsides other than being pricey, they are a little wide and a little
heavy, and do not have the lifting range that a trolley floor jack would
have.

I mostly got them to do car wheel removals when the car is on the lift
(cannot use a floor jack), but have been using them instead of the floor
jack even on the floor because they are so fast and easy.

Not a necessity, maybe an indulgent luxury, but my tool of the day.

Here is a video link from the manufacturer:
https://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html

best,

doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi guys,<div><br></div><div>I=C2=A0 bought a pair of these=
 this winter primarily for use with cars, but I really like the Zendex Rakj=
ak two bag air jack. I have been using them for motorcycles as well.</div><=
div><br></div><div>In the attached link to a photo where I am removing and =
reinstalling the rear wheel for my Sportster tire change, sliding the axle =
in through the swing arm, the disk brake, the belt adjusters, etc., always =
is a little tricky getting everything lined up height-wise while pushing th=
e axle through.</div><div><br></div><div>With the air jack, you can push th=
e up/down buttons with one finger, raise or lower the lift by small fractio=
ns of an inch, and eyeball the axle alignment with the various components. =
The precision, smoothness, and controllability of the lifting is pretty ama=
zing:</div><div><a href=3D"https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=3D446D39C8B1E4375=
8&amp;id=3D446D39C8B1E43758%21166810&amp;parId=3D446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&=
amp;o=3DOneUp">https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=3D446D39C8B1E43758&amp;id=3D4=
46D39C8B1E43758%21166810&amp;parId=3D446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&amp;o=3DOneU=
p</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>They are US-made, support 2 tons each,=
 very well built, very fast lifting, good enough for professional shop=C2=
=A0use, all parts are replaceable, but they are pricey.</div><div><br></div=
><div>If you were going to use it on trucks/vans/SUVs, I would recommend th=
e three bag model as it would give you more lift. The three bag model proba=
bly would not fit under most sporty cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Definite=
ly=C2=A0not a necessity (sort of like changing tires on the floor versus th=
e tire changer), but it makes jobs much easier with one man doing it, and i=
s much faster.</div><div><br></div><div>Downsides other than=C2=A0being pri=
cey, they are a little wide and a little heavy, and do not have the lifting=
 range that a trolley floor jack would have.</div><div><br></div><div>I mos=
tly got them to do car wheel removals when the car is on the lift (cannot u=
se a floor jack), but have been using them instead of the floor jack even o=
n the floor because they are so fast and easy.</div><div><br></div><div>Not=
 a necessity, maybe an indulgent luxury, but my tool of the day.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Here is a video link from the manufacturer:</div><div><a hre=
f=3D"https://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html">ht=
tps://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html</a>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</di=
v><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br></div></div>

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:17:33 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox
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Regarding pallet size:  If it's too small to grab with a fork lift or
pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language.  Just sayin'...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.
>
> I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas.
>
> Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized.  You can make a pallet
> just larger than the unit.
>
> I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.)  then
> bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top
> layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the
> gearbox.
>
> I hope this makes sense.  I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to
> tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top.
>
> Let me know if you have any other quesitons.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mule
>
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Regarding pallet size:=C2=A0 If it&#39;s too small to grab=
 with a fork lift or pallet jack, you&#39;re going to incite some harsh lan=
guage.=C2=A0 Just sayin&#39;...</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"san=
s-serif">&gt;Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I&#39;m not sure what size you are=
 talking
about, but here are some ideas.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should =
be
palletized.=C2=A0 You can make a pallet just larger than the unit.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I simple way to do it is to find a=
 hard
sized box (wood or metal.) =C2=A0then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and
the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the
box&#39;s floor, and into mount points on the gearbox.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I hope this makes sense.=C2=A0 I w=
ould
also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don&#39;t
stack other items on top.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Let me know if you have any other =
quesitons.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Mule</font>
<br>
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<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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A friend got a nice mini split system and have me his Frigidaire window AC. Weird problem is, the compressor runs when needed, but the fan shuts off intermittently. Sometimes it'll blow for a few minutes, other times for a few seconds. How long it stops is intermittent too. The compressor will even happily run while the fan doesn't. 

Is this a normal broken situation that's easily diagnosed or am I in for a world of troubleshooting?

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Thanks for these comments - I ended up crating it - used some 3/4 plywood t=
o make a base, top and two ends, connected with 2" angle iron bolted throug=
h and some thinner ply for the sides=2E Gearbox bolted to end (four boots i=
n bellhousing) and rear mount bolted to base=2E Finally a pair of 4x2's for=
 feet so it can be forked=2E Came in just under 70kg=2E
Neil

On 2 June 2020 16:17:33 BST, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail=2Ecom> wrote=
:
>Regarding pallet size:  If it's too small to grab with a fork lift or
>pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language=2E  Just
>sayin'=2E=2E=2E
>
>On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM <eric@megageek=2Ecom> wrote:
>
>> >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox=2E
>>
>> I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some
>ideas=2E
>>
>> Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized=2E  You can make a
>pallet
>> just larger than the unit=2E
>>
>> I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal=2E)=20
>then
>> bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box=2E Go from the bottom of the
>top
>> layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points
>on the
>> gearbox=2E
>>
>> I hope this makes sense=2E  I would also cut out some cardboard
>pryrminds to
>> tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top=2E
>>
>> Let me know if you have any other quesitons=2E
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mule
>>
>>
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
>rational
>> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory=2E"
>Ralph
>> Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml
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palletized=2E&nbsp; You can make a pallet just larger than the unit=2E</fo=
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the box=2E Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the
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Does anyone have a source/ connection etc with a Mobile Column Truck lift 
company or distributor?

I am looking for a low end set (2 or 4) that doesn't need to lift more 
than 12Klbs.  All of the ones I've researched are for serious commercial 
applications and priced accordingly.

They are all meant to lift way more weight than I need.

I was hoping there was an 'entry level' company/model or maybe a 
used/resale market for older ones that companies need to unload.  It's for 
occasional use, but I don't mind dropping semi-serious cash on it.

Does anyone know of something that fits this bill?

Thanks.

BTW, I know know how a 2 post 10K LBS lift will fail when  you have a 10K 
lbs truck on it, and it is NOT how I would have expected.  Yes, this is 
related.  8>(


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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Does anyone have
a source/ connection etc with a Mobile Column Truck lift company or distributor?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I am looking for
a low end set (2 or 4) that doesn't need to lift more than 12Klbs. &nbsp;All
of the ones I've researched are for serious commercial applications and
priced accordingly.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">They are all meant
to lift way more weight than I need.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I was hoping there
was an 'entry level' company/model or maybe a used/resale market for older
ones that companies need to unload. &nbsp;It's for occasional use, but
I don't mind dropping semi-serious cash on it.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Does anyone know
of something that fits this bill?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thanks.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">BTW, I know know
how a 2 post 10K LBS lift will fail when &nbsp;you have a 10K lbs truck
on it, and it is NOT how I would have expected. &nbsp;Yes, this is related.
&nbsp;8&gt;(</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
<br>
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From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 13:28:51 -0700
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tools of the day - motorcycle lifts
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Hi guys,

Since I primarily am a motorcycle person and have several old bikes to keep
running, I have spent many years kneeling on concrete trying to access some
lower portion of the bikes. Much like the tire changer and getting the work
up to waist level, getting the motorcycle up in the air saves a great deal
of kneeling on concrete and bending over for hours at a time.

Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
body, etc.

A couple years ago I bought a US-made Handy S.A.M.1,200 lb. pneumatic lift.
It has an excellent wheel clamp that will not contact 320mm front disk
rotors, thick powder-coated steel bed, lifts to about 40" or 42" inches
high, grease zerks on all bearing surfaces, a "trap door" for removing a
wheel, a nice, rugged foot pedal for controlling the lift, a full-width
ramp for loading and unloading bikes, and has an airbag lifting mechanism
instead of a pneumatic cylinder (faster lift and less maintenance).

I am attaching a link to a photo of it in action:
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=446D39C8B1E43758&id=446D39C8B1E43758%21166815&parId=446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&o=OneUp


I am showing it with a light race bike but it is stout enough for large
Harleys.

It is so much easier on the back and so much better for the eyes in finding
leaks or working underneath the engine, etc. I am a better
motorcycle mechanic because of the lift. I also enjoy the work much more.

I should have bought one 20 or 30 years ago...

best,

doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi guys,<div><br></div><div>Since I primarily am a motorcy=
cle person and have several old bikes to keep running, I have spent many ye=
ars kneeling on concrete trying to access some lower portion of the bikes. =
Much like the tire changer and getting the work up to waist level, getting =
the motorcycle up in the air saves a great deal of kneeling on concrete and=
 bending over for hours at a time.</div><div><br></div><div>Another issue f=
or me is vision now is wearing reading=C2=A0glasses for everything up close=
. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your body, etc.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>A couple years ago I bought a US-made Handy S.A.M.1,200 l=
b. pneumatic lift. It has an excellent wheel clamp that will not contact 32=
0mm front disk rotors, thick powder-coated steel bed, lifts to about 40&quo=
t; or 42&quot; inches high, grease zerks on all bearing surfaces, a &quot;t=
rap door&quot; for removing a wheel, a nice, rugged foot pedal for controll=
ing the lift, a full-width ramp for loading and unloading bikes, and has an=
 airbag lifting mechanism instead of a pneumatic cylinder (faster lift and =
less maintenance).</div><div><br></div><div>I am attaching a link to a phot=
o of it in action:</div><div><a href=3D"https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=3D44=
6D39C8B1E43758&amp;id=3D446D39C8B1E43758%21166815&amp;parId=3D446D39C8B1E43=
758%21166807&amp;o=3DOneUp" target=3D"_blank">https://onedrive.live.com/?ci=
d=3D446D39C8B1E43758&amp;id=3D446D39C8B1E43758%21166815&amp;parId=3D446D39C=
8B1E43758%21166807&amp;o=3DOneUp</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I am sh=
owing it with a light race bike but it is stout enough for large Harleys.<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>It is so much easier on the back and so much be=
tter for the eyes in finding leaks or working underneath the engine, etc. I=
 am a better motorcycle=C2=A0mechanic because of the lift. I also enjoy the=
 work much more.</div><div><br></div><div>I should have bought one 20 or 30=
 years ago...</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug<=
/div><div><br></div></div>

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I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. 

Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. 

I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. 

thanks,
jim
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Intrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode...

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. 
> 
> Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. 
> 
> I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. 
> 
> thanks,
> jim
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You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partial lens 
reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens.

These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they 
have a full range of strengths):
Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, 
Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB

And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr


	Cotton Fabric 	Fixed 	24" 	Breakaway Cord 	
Black, Blue, Red, Yellow
	9137T4 <https://www.mcmaster.com/9137T4> 	5.10


-- 

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com


> From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
>
>
> Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
> everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
> body, etc.
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    <p>You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partial
      lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the
      entire lens.</p>
    <p>These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2
      diopter; they have a full range of strengths):<br>
      Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0
      Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB">https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB</a></p>
    <p>And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr   </p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- </pre>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:markmiller@threeboysfarm.com">markmiller@threeboysfarm.com</a></pre>
    <br>
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">From: old dirtbeard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.com">&lt;dirtbeard@gmail.com&gt;</a>


Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
body, etc.


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I like my progressive prescription Safety glasses most Of the time but resor=
t to drug store readers some times.=20

A professional mechanic had trouble using bifocals of any type while working=
 under vehicles on a lift until he ordered a pair of glasses with the close v=
ision at the top! Sounds like a great idea but it seems like it would take g=
etting used to. I=E2=80=99ll stick to readers while under the car.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Mark Miller <markmiller@threeboysfarm.com> wrote=
:

=EF=BB=BF
You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partial lens readi=
ng glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens.

These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they hav=
e a full range of strengths):
Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Bla=
ck Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVB=
B

And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr =20


Cotton Fabric	Fixed	24"	Breakaway Cord=09
Black, Blue, Red, Yellow
9137T4	5.10


--=20
Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

> From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
>=20
>=20
> Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
> everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than you=
r
> body, etc.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I like my progressive prescription Safety g=
lasses most Of the time but resort to drug store readers some times.&nbsp;<d=
iv><br></div><div>A professional mechanic had trouble using bifocals of any t=
ype while working under vehicles on a lift until he ordered a pair of glasse=
s with the close vision at the top! Sounds like a great idea but it seems li=
ke it would take getting used to. I=E2=80=99ll stick to readers while under t=
he car.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Mark Miller &lt;mar=
kmiller@threeboysfarm.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=

 =20
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>
 =20
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    <p>You mention reading glasses.&nbsp; I can't see well out of the partia=
l
      lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the
      entire lens.</p>
    <p>These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2
      diopter; they have a full range of strengths):<br>
      Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0
      Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY<br>
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078Y=
DPNDV/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB">https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0=
78YDPNDV/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB</a></p>
    <p>And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr &nbsp; </p>
    <table class=3D"hn" id=3D"RenderableTbl_637270481035210664FUKW">
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          </td>
          <td class=3D"dx ea ek es">Cotton Fabric</td>
          <td class=3D"dx ea ek es">Fixed</td>
          <td class=3D"dx ea ek es">24"</td>
          <td class=3D"dx ea ek es">Breakaway Cord</td>
          <td class=3D"dx ek et ItmTblSpecLnk" rowspan=3D"1">
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x;"><a class=3D"SpecChoiceLnk SpecChoiceVisitedLnk" data-mcm-pub-attr-id=3D"=
6550490445049" data-mcm-prod-attr-id=3D"7556581288522" data-mcm-pub-attrval-=
id=3D"2595041784955" data-mcm-prod-attrval-id=3D"9169237673371">Black</a>, <=
/span><span class=3D"Wrd" style=3D"display:inline-block;width:31px;"><a clas=
s=3D"SpecChoiceLnk" data-mcm-pub-attr-id=3D"6550490445049" data-mcm-prod-att=
r-id=3D"7556581288522" data-mcm-pub-attrval-id=3D"4473942950199" data-mcm-pr=
od-attrval-id=3D"8917431596454">Blue</a>, </span><span class=3D"Wrd" style=3D=
"display:inline-block;width:29px;"><a class=3D"SpecChoiceLnk" data-mcm-pub-a=
ttr-id=3D"6550490445049" data-mcm-prod-attr-id=3D"7556581288522" data-mcm-pu=
b-attrval-id=3D"5130254216190" data-mcm-prod-attrval-id=3D"8467047491497">Re=
d</a>, </span><span class=3D"Wrd" style=3D"display:inline-block;width:43px;"=
><a class=3D"SpecChoiceLnk" data-mcm-pub-attr-id=3D"6550490445049" data-mcm-=
prod-attr-id=3D"7556581288522" data-mcm-pub-attrval-id=3D"4822406268105" dat=
a-mcm-prod-attrval-id=3D"5992350655116">Yellow</a></span></div>
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=3D"9137T4" data-mcm-attr-comp-itm-ids=3D"13406,13404,13403,13405" href=3D"h=
ttps://www.mcmaster.com/9137T4" data-mcm-partnbr-seqnbr=3D"1" style=3D"width=
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    </p>
    <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">-- </pre>
    <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:markmiller@threeboysfar=
m.com">markmiller@threeboysfarm.com</a></pre>
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"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.com">&lt;dirtbeard@gm=
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Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
body, etc.


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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling
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I saw the prior thread where Pat gave several suggestions.

Jim - If you hook your multi-meter to the power leads for the fan, what do
you see? It'll tell you if it is a problem internal to the fan, or if it is
elsewhere.

-Peter

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

> Could be almost anything. Time for some troubleshooting. I=E2=80=99m quit=
e willing
> to help.
>
> BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don=
=E2=80=99t
> recall seeing it.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFIntrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode...
>
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote=
:
> >
> > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool,
> then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All
> the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor.
> >
> > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan?
> Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I=
'd
> like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house a=
nd
> b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm
> not on that, I'm on regular cool.
> >
> > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU,
> maybe a bit more.
> >
> > thanks,
> > jim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I saw the prior thread where Pat gave several suggestions.=
<div><br></div><div>Jim - If you hook your multi-meter=C2=A0to the power le=
ads for the fan, what do you see? It&#39;ll tell you if it is a problem=C2=
=A0internal to the fan, or if it is elsewhere.</div><div><br></div><div>-Pe=
ter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pat=
intexas@icloud.com">patintexas@icloud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Could be almost anything. Time for=
 some troubleshooting. I=E2=80=99m quite willing to help. <br>
<br>
BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don=E2=
=80=99t recall seeing it. <br>
<br>
Peace,<br>
Pat<br>
<br>
Pat Horne <br>
We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@group=
wbench.org" target=3D"_blank">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=EF=BB=BFIntrestingly it cycles even when on &quot;Fan&quot; mode...<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@=
groupwbench.org" target=3D"_blank">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have a friend&#39;s used window AC. It runs great until the room is =
cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally.=
 All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? So=
metimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I&#39=
;d like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house =
and b) doesn&#39;t annoy the ^&amp;#%$&amp;%^ out of me. It does have an Ec=
o mode but I&#39;m not on that, I&#39;m on regular cool. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I don&#39;t see a model number but I&#39;m guessing it&#39;s roughly 1=
0,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt; jim<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Tex=
as. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.=20

Quite a good deal.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck=
. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping oversea=
s, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to mo=
ve it.=20

> On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:
> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best=
 deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it *=
 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some=
 ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to=
 box it in? What have you done?
> Thanks
> Neil
--=20
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Mebane, NC=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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ssion shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crat=
e &amp; cost $125.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Quite a good deal.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbs=
p;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell &lt;ejrussell@mebtel.net&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    <p>I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a
      Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for
      free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet
      makes it easier for the shipper to move it. <br>
    </p>
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Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland 
though...

EjR

On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia 
> to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal 
> truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For 
> shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier 
> for the shipper to move it.
>
> On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:
>>
>> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * 
>> best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how 
>> to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, 
>> strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not 
>> fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Neil
>>

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    <p>Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to
      Finland though... <br>
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    <p>EjR <br>
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      +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from
      Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate &amp;
      cost $125. <br>
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          <p>I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using
            a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available
            for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it.
            The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. <br>
          </p>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry
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Picky, picky!

Most folks don=E2=80=99t know about Fastenal so I try to get the word out.=20=


Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though..=
.=20

EjR=20

> On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
> +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to T=
exas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.=20
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:
> I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal tru=
ck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overs=
eas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to m=
ove it.=20
>=20
> On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:
>> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * bes=
t deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it *=
 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some=
 ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to=
 box it in? What have you done?
>> Thanks
>> Neil

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      Finland though... <br>
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      cost $125. <br>
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            for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it.
            The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. <br>
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I've seen people put a male quick connect on one side of a regulator
and a female on the other side. Then they can put it on whatever drop
they're using that they want to turn the pressure down at. So you
could install one permanently if there is somewhere you know you'll
always want it and have a portable one for other usage.

-Paul

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:49 AM old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate regulators for my garage.
>
> Best,
>
> des
> (mobile)
>

>
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 the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this
 did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead,
 no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did
 not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.

 I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. 

 What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/
 Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up  charger, and
 hope? ...

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neither liberty nor safety."
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I think your best bet is a tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with Batter=
yMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect some dead batteries with pulses to b=
reak up sulfation; I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come b=
ack to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to t=
op up the battery is bad for the engine.

Bob

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 AM, stan <stanb@panix.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months,=
 while she
> was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
> vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start
> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this
> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead=
,
> no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did=

> not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.
>=20
> I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.=20
>=20
> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/
> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up  charger, and
> hope? ...
>=20
> --=20
> "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think your best bet is a=
 tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with BatteryMinder). The BM claims it=
 can resurrect <i>some </i>dead batteries with pulses to break up sulfation;=
 I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come back to life leave t=
he tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to top up the battery i=
s bad for the engine.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 A=
M, stan &lt;stanb@panix.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span> friend of mine left her vehi=
cle at her house for several months, while she</span><br><span> was away on t=
he west coast. A new battery had been installed in this</span><br><span> veh=
icle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start</span><=
br><span> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagin=
e this</span><br><span> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the b=
attery is totally dead,</span><br><span> no lights, or gauges come one when t=
he ignition switch is turned on. I did</span><br><span> not have a voltmeter=
 with me when I was there.</span><br><span></span><br><span> I would hate to=
 have to buy yet another new battery for this car. </span><br><span></span><=
br><span> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this bat=
tery/</span><br><span> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just ho=
ok up &nbsp;charger, and</span><br><span> hope? ...</span><br><span></span><=
br><span>-- </span><br><span>"They that would give up essential liberty for t=
emporary safety deserve</span><br><span>neither liberty nor safety."</span><=
br><span> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp;-- Benjamin Franklin</span><br><span>______________________=
_________________________</span><br><span></span><br><span>Shop-talk@autox.t=
eam.net</span><br><span>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br><s=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ?
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I completely agree with Pat.

It should have a date on it and will be warranted for X months after the
purchase.

She probably can just get a free battery in exchange if they cannot revive
it at the store.

best,

doug

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:01 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

> The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few mont=
hs. Take
> it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement
> should be in warranty.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan <stanb@panix.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months=
, while
> she
> was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
> vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start
> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this
> did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dea=
d,
> no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I di=
d
> not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.
>
> I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.
>
> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/
> Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up  charger, and
> hope? ...
>
> --
> "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
> neither liberty nor safety."
>                        -- Benjamin Franklin
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I completely agree with Pat.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It s=
hould have a date on it and will be warranted=C2=A0for X months after the p=
urchase.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>She probably can just get a free ba=
ttery in exchange if they cannot revive it at the store.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:0=
1 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com">patintexas@iclo=
ud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex">The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few =
months. Take it back to where it was bought &amp; let them charge&amp; test=
 it. Replacement should be in warranty. <br>
<br>
Peace,<br>
Pat<br>
<br>
Pat Horne <br>
We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stanb@panix.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">stanb@panix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, =
while she<br>
was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this<br>
vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start<br>
the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this<br=
>
did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead,=
<br>
no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did<=
br>
not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.<br>
<br>
I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. <br>
<br>
What is the list&#39;s collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/=
<br>
Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up=C2=A0 charger, a=
nd<br>
hope? ...<br>
<br>
-- <br>
&quot;They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserv=
e<br>
neither liberty nor safety.&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0-- Benjamin Franklin<br>
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Does the battery have a warantee? If it will not hold a charge you might 
be able to get it replaced.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 6/10/2020 11:04 AM, stan wrote:
>   I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.
>
>   What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/
>   Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up  charger, and
>   hope? ...

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Ok, two things to try here, this is the FIRST and LAST options (different 
batteries tenders are all the steps in between.)

FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a 
warrantee.  Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how 
to) test the battery and just give you a new one.

LAST thing to try, before buying a new battery.  WARNING-  if you are a 
eco-warrior, you may want to skip this! I know the thought of this may be 
re*volt*ing!  8>)

If the battery is not a sealed battery, dump all the battery acid out of 
the core.  Refill with normal water and rise it out a couple of times. 
Note, recover ALL the water as it is hazardous.

Once cleaned out, fill with battery acid and put on charger.  There is 
about a 50% chance of this restoring even a sulfated battery this way. 
Dispose of the waste water properly.






"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ok, two things to try here, this is the
FIRST and LAST options (different batteries tenders are all the steps in
between.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">FIRST- bring it back to where you bought
it, most likely there is a warrantee. &nbsp;Most places (like Walmart and
such) don't care (or know how to) test the battery and just give you a
new one.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">LAST thing to try, before buying a new
battery. &nbsp;WARNING- &nbsp;if you are a eco-warrior, you may want to
skip this! I know the thought of this may be re*volt*ing! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If the battery is not a sealed battery,
dump all the battery acid out of the core. &nbsp;Refill with normal water
and rise it out a couple of times. &nbsp;Note, recover ALL the water as
it is hazardous.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Once cleaned out, fill with battery
acid and put on charger. &nbsp;There is about a 50% chance of this restoring
even a sulfated battery this way. &nbsp;Dispose of the waste water properly.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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> FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a =

> warrantee. =A0Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how =

> to) test the battery and just give you a new one.

One thing I've learned over the years - buy a battery from some place =

convenient.

My nearest Wally is twenty miles away, and the returns desk/line is =

often absurd.   I'll happily pay $10 more to deal with the Autozone =

three miles away, we also have a Costco even closer but they're limited =

in sizes.

I don't EVER buy anything from Walmart that might have to go back.

John.
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First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, 
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the 
moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service 
disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am 
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to 
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden 
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to 
actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as 
the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt 
that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a 
small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?  
That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.



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Depends how long term it is - if there's a chance it won't be there long, you could just scrape back and drop it in. What I have done with sectional wooden sheds is to put down some concrete paving slabs (normally 2 foot squares) just laid on sand, to give a decent base that is quick to do and easy to move or get rid of as needs change. I know it might sink, but it's been good enough.
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.



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I've installed and moved these types of sheds.  in fact, i have one on my 
gun range to hold targets.

As long as the ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or 
it will not go together correctly.


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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I've installed and
moved these types of sheds. &nbsp;in fact, i have one on my gun range to
hold targets.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">As long as the
ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or it will not
go together correctly.</span>
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Buy a big bag of portland cement. After leveling the dirt, water it them 
mix the bag of cement to about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now 
made soil cement.

On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, 
> switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the 
> moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service 
> disruption.  We shall see.
>
> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am 
> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough 
> to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the 
> garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need 
> the room to actually get some work done on my cars.
>
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab 
> as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the 
> dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and 
> have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a 
> foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed!
>
> mjb.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Buy a big bag of portland cement. 
      After leveling the dirt, water it them mix the bag of cement to
      about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now made soil cement.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com">First
      off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,
      switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At
      the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no
      service disruption.  We shall see.
      <br>
      <br>
      Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way
      I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one
      big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc.
      Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in
      the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my
      cars.
      <br>
      <br>
      It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic
      slab as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space
      in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the
      way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally
      poured as a foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed!
      <br>
      <br>
      mjb.
      <br>
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 We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim=
 it up to get the doors to work.=C2=A0 These are light, durable and inexpen=
sive but not very sturdy.=C2=A0 You can probably get by with scraping the d=
irt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may =
have to tug the get the doors open and closed.
Still might be less work than pouring a slab.
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From: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,=20
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the=
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moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service=20
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Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to=20
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden=20
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to=20
actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic slab a=
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<div> <font size="3">We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim it up to get the doors to work.&nbsp; These are light, durable and inexpensive but not very sturdy.&nbsp; You can probably get by with scraping the dirt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may have to tug the get the doors open and closed.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Still might be less work than pouring a slab.</font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Mark J Bradakis &lt;mark@bradakis.com&gt;<br>
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net &lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?<br>
<br>

<div dir="ltr">First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.&nbsp; At the <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">disruption.&nbsp; We shall see.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">actually get some work done on my cars.<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.&nbsp; It comes with a plastic slab as <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">the floor.&nbsp; What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">that is fairly level and call it good?&nbsp; Or go all the way and have a <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?&nbsp; <br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">That will likely cost more than the shed!<br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir="ltr">mjb.<br>
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Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of gravel
within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.  It was sunk partly into the ground
on one side to make it level.  It has worked out fine.  (I should have used
a bit more gravel to allow for settling.)

Doug

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:

> First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,
> switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the
> moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service
> disruption.  We shall see.
>
> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am
> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to
> hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden
> stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to
> actually get some work done on my cars.
>
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as
> the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt
> that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a
> small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?
> That will likely cost more than the shed!
>
> mjb.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Several years ago I got an 8x8&#39; wooden shed, and I ma=
de a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.=C2=A0 It was sun=
k partly into the ground on one side to make it level.=C2=A0 It has worked =
out fine.=C2=A0 (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling=
.)<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Doug</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2=
020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com">mark=
@bradakis.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">First =
off. I&#39;ll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, <br>
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the=
 <br>
moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service <br>
disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see.<br>
<br>
Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am <br>
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I&#39;m looking at one big enough t=
o <br>
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden <br=
>
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to <b=
r>
actually get some work done on my cars.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic sl=
ab as <br>
the floor.=C2=A0 What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt <=
br>
that is fairly level and call it good?=C2=A0 Or go all the way and have a <=
br>
small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?=C2=A0=
 <br>
That will likely cost more than the shed!<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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 Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel wi=
ll flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting base, but I=20
think the basic concrete pavers squares will be fine. Pouring a slab is=20
verging on overkill, if I want to move the shed a few years down the=20
line, the slab would not be something you could just pick up and move=20
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable bas=
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I bought a 12 by 20 Rhino shelter and this is what I did (maybe Overkill as
well).
 Made a frame out of pressure treated 4 x 4 with 2 by 4s, 24-inch on
center.
Attached everything with timberlok screws.
 Filled it in with 3/4 inch stone and bought a 8 inch square tamper to tamp
the stone down to be level with the frame. Did this tamping effort several
times adding Stone where required.
Then I stapled thick plastic sheeting over the whole shebang.
Three-quarter inch exterior plywood was then screwed into the
pressure-treated frame. It's pretty bomb-proof.
I did my best to level the terrain prior to construction of the foundation.

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<div dir=3D"auto">I bought a 12 by 20 Rhino shelter and this is what I did =
(maybe Overkill as well).<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Made a frame out of pressu=
re treated 4 x 4 with 2 by 4s, 24-inch on center.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">Attached everything with timberlok screws.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=
=A0Filled it in with 3/4 inch stone and bought a 8 inch square tamper to ta=
mp the stone down to be level with the frame. Did this tamping effort sever=
al times adding Stone where required.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Then I s=
tapled thick plastic sheeting over the whole shebang.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Three-quarter inch exterior plywood was then screwed into the pre=
ssure-treated frame. It&#39;s pretty bomb-proof.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">I did my best to level the terrain prior to construction of the foundati=
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At 10:32 AM 6/11/2020, you wrote:

 >Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff 
is out of the way I am planning
 >getting a plastic garden shed.....

 >It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2  It comes with a plastic slab a=
s the
 >floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a 
space in the dirt that is fairly level
 >and call it good? Or go all the way and have a 
small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab
 >professionally poured as a foundation? That 
will likely cost more than the shed!

Mark,

As to the concrete slab, I don't know what the 
regulations are where you live.  Here in Virginia 
Beach, there are a couple of regulations that apply.

1.  If you put down a slab, it's considered a 
permanent structure.  Consiquently,
you will need a building permit.

2. If you get a permit, you will have to worry about:
       a. how far it is from your property lines
       b. what percentage of you "green" area is covered.  This can be a sh=
ow
           stopper, especially if you have a pool, and or a deck.

3. As someone pointed out, does it get standing water & very soggy where yo=
u
     plan on putting the shed?

When I erected my vinyl shed, I put it in the back corner of my yard.
Unfortunately, we'd get standing water there.  So 
I used some garden timbers and
made an enclosure slightly larger than the base 
of my shed.  Then I filled it with
crush-n-run (gravel) and topped it off with dirt 
and a vapor barrier.  Then I used
solid cynder block for the floor.

John


John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

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&gt;Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I
am planning<br>
&gt;getting a plastic garden shed.....<br><br>
&gt;It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2&nbsp; It comes with a plastic=

slab as the <br>
&gt;floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that
is fairly level <br>
&gt;and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5
concrete slab <br>
&gt;professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more
than the shed!<br><br>
Mark,<br><br>
As to the concrete slab, I don't know what the regulations are where you
live.&nbsp; Here in Virginia Beach, there are a couple of regulations
that apply.<br><br>
1.&nbsp; If you put down a slab, it's considered a permanent
structure.&nbsp; Consiquently,<br>
you will need a building permit.&nbsp; <br><br>
2. If you get a permit, you will have to worry about:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a. how far it is from your property
lines<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; b. what percentage of you
&quot;green&quot; area is covered.&nbsp; This can be a show <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; stopper,
especially if you have a pool, and or a deck.<br><br>
3. As someone pointed out, does it get standing water &amp; very soggy
where you <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; plan on putting the shed?<br><br>
When I erected my vinyl shed, I put it in the back corner of my
yard.&nbsp; <br>
Unfortunately, we'd get standing water there.&nbsp; So I used some garden
timbers and<br>
made an enclosure slightly larger than the base of my shed.&nbsp; Then I
filled it with<br>
crush-n-run (gravel) and topped it off with dirt and a vapor
barrier.&nbsp; Then I used<br>
solid cynder block for the floor.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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<div>John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email:&nbsp;
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Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229</div>
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<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48
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one.&quot;</div>
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I know the standard way is to export/import my folders and messages, but I =
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I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 front.  I =
have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I =E2=80=98temporarily=E2=
=80=99 put up a few years ago.  Since it was only temporary, I got lazy =
and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the surface.  Instead, I took two =
3/4=E2=80=9D 4X8 sheets of pressure treated plywood and screwed them =
onto a couple of p/t 2x4=E2=80=99s to form a base.  I shimmed the whole =
thing until it was sort of level and then built the shed on top of that. =
 The doors have never opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse =
over time as the makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it. =20=


I agree that a poured foundation is probably overkill, but it would =
definitely be worth spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a =
compacted, FLAT, LEVEL surface. =20

Jim

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.com> wrote:
>=20
> Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of =
gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.  It was sunk partly into =
the ground on one side to make it level.  It has worked out fine.  (I =
should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling.)
>=20
> Doug
>=20
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com =
> First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,=20
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> disruption.  We shall see.
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> Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20=

> planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough =
to=20
> hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the =
garden=20
> stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room =
to=20
> actually get some work done on my cars.
>=20
> It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab =
as=20
> the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt=20=

> that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a=20=

> small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? =20=

> That will likely cost more than the shed!
>=20
> mjb.
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 =
front. &nbsp;I have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I =
=E2=80=98temporarily=E2=80=99 put up a few years ago. &nbsp;Since it was =
only temporary, I got lazy and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the =
surface. &nbsp;Instead, I took two 3/4=E2=80=9D 4X8 sheets of pressure =
treated plywood and screwed them onto a couple of p/t 2x4=E2=80=99s to =
form a base. &nbsp;I shimmed the whole thing until it was sort of level =
and then built the shed on top of that. &nbsp;The doors have never =
opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse over time as the =
makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it. &nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I agree that a poured =
foundation is probably overkill, but it would definitely be worth =
spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a compacted, FLAT, LEVEL =
surface. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim<br=
 class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:doug@dougbraun.com" class=3D"">doug@dougbraun.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D"">Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I =
made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.&nbsp; It =
was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level.&nbsp; It =
has worked out fine.&nbsp; (I should have used a bit more gravel to =
allow for settling.)<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Doug</div></div><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com" =
class=3D"">mark@bradakis.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">First off. =
I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">switch out =
my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.&nbsp; At the<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">moment I =
*think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">disruption.&nbsp; We shall see.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the =
way I am<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one =
big enough to<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all =
the garden<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need =
the room to<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">actually get some work done on my cars.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.&nbsp; It comes with a =
plastic slab as<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">the floor.&nbsp; What do you think, can I just scrape a space =
in the dirt<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">that is fairly level and call it good?&nbsp; Or go all the =
way and have a<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
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foundation?&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
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class=3D"">mjb.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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I'd recommend crushed concrete. Way, way cheaper than a lot of other
options and it locks together really well and sheds water. I've used
it to pave a large parking pad for trailers and other equipment and I
was really happy with it. It would be perfect for a shed base.

I just purchased a building (my new shop!) with a 12x48 lean-to and
I'm planning to grade underneath the lean-to and pave that and the
approaches to the building with crushed concrete.

-Paul

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> On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.  Pea gravel
> > will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask me how I know.
> >
>
> Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.
>
> mjb.
>
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 Anything with sharp edges will be better than river rock.=C2=A0 River rock=
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On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel=
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> will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
>

Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.

mjb.


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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.  Pea gravel
> > will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask me how I know.
> >
>
> Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.
>

Crushed lava?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark =
J Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com">mark@bradakis.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 6/1=
1/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:<br>
&gt; Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea grave=
l <br>
&gt; will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Crushed lava?</blockquote><=
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I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist?

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Excuse the metrication, comes with being the other side of the Pond.

Just been out to the shop to look at a set of impact sockets, metric not 
imperial, and I wonder if you could make up a 7/8 inch bore sleeve to 
take the socket or a 1/2 square adapter. 7/8 inch equals 22.225mm. My 
13mm socket (pretty close to 1/2 inch) is 24mm o.d. and a 1/2 inch 
extension bar is 22.1mm o.d.

I have a feeling tool dimensions are pretty similar worldwide so it 
could be worth your while checking some measurements. Looking at the 
Snapon catalogue I see that a 1/2 inch thin wall impact socket has an 
o.d. of 7/8 inch so should fit ok. You would have to drill and pin the 
socket or extension with a 1/4 inch ht bolt or similar.

Cheapest way round the problem I can see. Maybe not the Snapon component 
but possibly some research will turn up a cheaper alternative. The thin 
wall aspect makes the difference.

Good luck.

Nick Brearley

On 13/06/2020 01:45, Jim Franklin wrote:
> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist?
>
> thanks,
> jim
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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
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> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger 


A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one?  

Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator as the reaction. 
Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform a regular tool. 
> 
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I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't
want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll
be glad you did.

Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) -
makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc
 - Lee

On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote:
>
>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan
>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a
>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has
>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger
>
>
> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air
> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one?
>
> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator
> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform
> a regular tool.
>>
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Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. 

I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one.

jim

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels <lee@automate-it.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't
> want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll
> be glad you did.
> 
> Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) -
> makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc
> - Lee
> 
> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan
>>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a
>>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has
>>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger
>> 
>> 
>> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air
>> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one?
>> 
>> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator
>> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform
>> a regular tool.
>>> 

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Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that...

Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab. 

jim

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
> 
> Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. 
> 
> I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one.
> 
> jim
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels <lee@automate-it.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't
>> want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll
>> be glad you did.
>> 
>> Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) -
>> makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc
>> - Lee
>> 
>> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan
>>>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a
>>>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has
>>>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air
>>> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one?
>>> 
>>> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator
>>> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform
>>> a regular tool.
>>>> 
> 

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Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a 
backhoe?  If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and 
deep, you can fill in the extra with gravel.  If we are talking about 
solid rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the 
rock.  Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas.  If this 
operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building 
inspector.  He will have ideas on the right way to do it.  His way is 
automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off on!

-Steve

At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote:
>Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the 
>webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that...
>
>Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against 
>destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from 
>hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough 
>and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too 
>much to just pour a slab.
>
>jim


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Yes, definitely all backhoe movable. Very little in life that can't be =
solved with a backhoe :-)

I found RediFooting:

https://www.redifooting.com/why-redi-footing =
<https://www.redifooting.com/why-redi-footing>

If I'm resigned to digging a hole with an auger, this beats the whole =
concrete sonotube circus. And a bunch of folks on the Journsal of Light =
Construction like them, which is always a nod to something's viability =
for me. Still open to ideas though, rental shop is closed until Monday =
morning...

jim

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a =
backhoe?  If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, =
you can fill in the extra with gravel.  If we are talking about solid =
rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock.  =
Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas.  If this operation =
requires a permit, I would consult with the building inspector.  He will =
have ideas on the right way to do it.  His way is automatically the =
right way and the way that he will sign off on!
>=20
> -Steve
>=20
> At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote:
>> Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the =
webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that...
>>=20
>> Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against =
destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from =
hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and =
lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to =
just pour a slab.
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>> jim
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definitely all backhoe movable. Very little in life that can't be solved =
with a backhoe :-)<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
found RediFooting:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If I'm resigned to =
digging a hole with an auger, this beats the whole concrete sonotube =
circus. And a bunch of folks on the Journsal of Light Construction like =
them, which is always a nod to something's viability for me. Still open =
to ideas though, rental shop is closed until Monday morning...</div><div =
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&nbsp;If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, you =
can fill in the extra with gravel. &nbsp;If we are talking about solid =
rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. =
&nbsp;Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas. &nbsp;If this =
operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building =
inspector. &nbsp;He will have ideas on the right way to do it. &nbsp;His =
way is automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off =
on!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-Steve<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">At =
02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free =
location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, =
so there's that...<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Any crazy ideas to get a =
24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave =
movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get =
enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 =
beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab.<br class=3D""><br =
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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

>
> Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against
> destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes?


I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane winds and big
frost heaving...  But I haven't been everywhere yet.

What about digging down to the large rock and epoxying some rebar in holes
in it.  Then cut the bottom of your Sonotube to fit the rock, and pour a
pier?   Is the big rock going anywhere in a hurricane?

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

P.S.  Maybe a wing on the deck will help with downforce.

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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim F=
ranklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org">jamesf@groupwbench.or=
g</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
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Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruct=
ion from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes?</blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m trying to figure out what part of the world =
has hurricane winds and big frost heaving...=C2=A0 But I haven&#39;t been e=
verywhere yet.</div><div><br></div><div>What about digging down to the larg=
e rock and epoxying some rebar in holes in it.=C2=A0 Then cut the bottom of=
 your Sonotube to fit the rock, and pour a pier?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is the big roc=
k going anywhere in a hurricane?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff =
Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br><br>P.S.=C2=A0 Maybe a wing on=
 the deck will help with downforce.</div></div></div>

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> On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org =
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> Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against =
destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from =
hurricanes?
>=20
> I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane winds =
and big frost heaving...  But I haven't been everywhere yet.

The northeast, in a belt where we're close enough to the ocean for its =
storms but far enough that we can have long stretches of sub-freezing =
temps.=20

>=20
> What about digging down to the large rock


It's not a ledge, they're all pieces of New Hampshire that were put into =
a rock tumbler for a few millenia.=20

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> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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> P.S.  Maybe a wing on the deck will help with downforce.

That's a neat idea from an engineering perspective, but I can't help but =
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Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org" =
class=3D"">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
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Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against =
destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from =
hurricanes?</blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane =
winds and big frost heaving...&nbsp; But I haven't been everywhere =
yet.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>The =
northeast, in a belt where we're close enough to the ocean for its =
storms but far enough that we can have long stretches of sub-freezing =
temps.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
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</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div>It's not a ledge, they're all pieces of New Hampshire =
that were put into a rock tumbler for a few =
millenia.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
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Listers,

I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using 
Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on the 
best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? I know 
they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note the iron was 
protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.

TIA,
Bob
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From: RandE <rande90@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 21:26:54 -0500
To: ShopTalk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep
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Protestors need it for the graffiti art.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

> I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing required (the gate is in
> dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper
> for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their
> website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to do
> the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several
> groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody
> decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?'
>
> Bob
>
> On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote:
> > Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has
> > unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple
> > Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else]
> > and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant.
> >
> > Donald.
> > --
> > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
> > /\ <https://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml>
> >
> > On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote:
> >> Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works
> >> for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I
> >> think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone
> >> follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can
> >> paint job, so nothing fancy.
> >>
> >> I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any
> >> products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the
> >> environmentalists might have taken issue with it.
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote:
> >>> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier
> >>> what they recommend?  I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser
> >>> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.  I did this on a
> >>> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy
> >>> paint.  Still looks good after 20+ years.
> >>>
> >>> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used:
> >>>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369
> >>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions.
> >>> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal:
> >>>
> https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> >>>> Listers,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using
> >>>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on
> >>>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.?
> >>>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note
> >>>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.
> >>>>
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Bob
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Protestors need it for the graffiti art.<div><br></div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@com=
cast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing r=
equired (the gate is in <br>
dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper <br=
>
for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their <br=
>
website claimed and Lowe&#39;s wasn&#39;t much better but I found enough to=
 do <br>
the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several <br>
groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody <br>
decided to re-paint everything while on &#39;lockdown?&#39;<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote:<br>
&gt; Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has<br>
&gt; unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple=
<br>
&gt; Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something els=
e]<br>
&gt; and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Donald.<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; *Plain Text* email -- it&#39;s an accessibility issue<br>
&gt; () no proprietary attachments; no html mail<br>
&gt; /\ &lt;<a href=3D"https://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.=
shtml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.georgedillon.com/we=
b/html_email_is_evil.shtml</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who =
works<br>
&gt;&gt; for me sometimes (he&#39;s a garage door contractor). It&#39;s raw=
 steel, so I<br>
&gt;&gt; think I&#39;ll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an ace=
tone<br>
&gt;&gt; follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It&#39;s gonna be a ratt=
le-can<br>
&gt;&gt; paint job, so nothing fancy.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn&#39;t see any<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; environmentalists might have taken issue with it.<br>
&gt;&gt; Bob<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the su=
pplier<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; what they recommend?=C2=A0 I&#39;d start with your favorite cl=
eaner/degreaser<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; then use a phosphoric acid &quot;metal prep&quot; product.=C2=
=A0 I did this on a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an=
 epoxy<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; paint.=C2=A0 Still looks good after 20+ years.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is a sample product that looks like what I used:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concr=
ete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369" rel=3D"noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Et=
ch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; or<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-M=
etal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://ww=
w.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different direc=
tions.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal=
:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-c=
ontractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors=
/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Brian<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I&#39;ll=
 paint it using<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List=
 wisdom on<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thi=
nner, etc.?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I know they&#39;d all work pretty well; any favorites? Dra=
wbacks? Note<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax.<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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Hello all,


QUESTION-
I just finished an extensive 6 week restore of a 2003 F350 with a large 
dump bed.  For a work truck, it looks awesome!  I wanted to share some of 
the photos and story on a web page, I was hoping that someone knows of a 
good format for the web page (or template) for a project like this.  I 
don't want to just have a web page that is a mile long to scroll down, nor 
do I want a 100 clicks to see the content.  Anyone know of a website were 
someone put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? 
I run my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and 
I'm not above 'borrowing' code.  8>)

RANT-
What is the deal with these plastic body clips?  I mean, I understand that 
they are cheap and help assemble cars fast, I'm on board with that. But 
why do they need a million different types for 2 basic functions in only 
about 3 sizes?  Seriously, I was trying to replace the broken clips on 
this truck, and it's a nightmare! Flipping through well designed books at 
the local NAPA, I saw that almost all these clips are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 
sizes.  They ether hold 2 pieces together in a straight through fashion, 
or they are for a blind install. I ended up just buying a bunch of what 
they had lying around and using whatever one fit and it was fine. My only 
guess is that each auto company "patents" their clips so no one else can 
use them. I think I'm going to make a 'universal' clip and stop this 
nonsense. It does make me long for the older cars with screws!  RANT OFF.

Mule


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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hello all,</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">QUESTION-</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I just finished an extensive 6 week
restore of a 2003 F350 with a large dump bed. &nbsp;For a work truck, it
looks awesome! &nbsp;I wanted to share some of the photos and story on
a web page, I was hoping that someone knows of a good format for the web
page (or template) for a project like this. &nbsp;I don't want to just
have a web page that is a mile long to scroll down, nor do I want a 100
clicks to see the content. &nbsp;Anyone know of a website were someone
put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run
my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and I'm
not above 'borrowing' code. &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">RANT-</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">What is the deal with these plastic
body clips? &nbsp;I mean, I understand that they are cheap and help assemble
cars fast, I'm on board with that. But why do they need a million different
types for 2 basic functions in only about 3 sizes? &nbsp;Seriously, I was
trying to replace the broken clips on this truck, and it's a nightmare!
Flipping through well designed books at the local NAPA, I saw that almost
all these clips are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 sizes. &nbsp;They ether hold 2 pieces
together in a straight through fashion, or they are for a blind install.
I ended up just buying a bunch of what they had lying around and using
whatever one fit and it was fine. My only guess is that each auto company
&quot;patents&quot; their clips so no one else can use them. I think I'm
going to make a 'universal' clip and stop this nonsense. It does make me
long for the older cars with screws! &nbsp;RANT OFF.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Mule</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
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I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. 
Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the 
first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there.

https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm 

Let me know what you think.


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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I uploaded the photos of the truck restore
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:30:48 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] websites question and plastic automotive body clips
 rant
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:24 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

>   Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page
> to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a
> space like wix to host it, and I'm not above 'borrowing' code.  8>)
>
>
If you run your own server, I assume you have some familiarity with HTML..
When I've done pages like that, I set all my pictures in a subfolder, and
create thumbnails that go in the folder with the page index file.  Display
the thumbnails in a table in the left column and explanatory text in the
right column, and link the thumbnails to the full-size photo.  Se, for
instance, http://fishplate.org/vehicles/spitfire/FM72xxx/



> RANT-
> What is the deal with these plastic body clips?


Possibly, some are "legacy" parts - something that keeps getting used year
after year, even as new clips must be designed for other uses (to become
legacies themselves...)

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
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<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">=C2=A0 Anyone know of a website were someone
put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run
my own web server, so I don&#39;t need a space like wix to host it, and I&#=
39;m
not above &#39;borrowing&#39; code. =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
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<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you run your own server, I assume y=
ou have some familiarity with HTML.. When I&#39;ve done pages like that, I =
set all my pictures in a subfolder, and create thumbnails that go in the fo=
lder with the page index file.=C2=A0 Display the thumbnails in a table in t=
he left column and explanatory text in the right column, and link the thumb=
nails to the full-size photo.=C2=A0 Se, for instance,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http:=
//fishplate.org/vehicles/spitfire/FM72xxx/">http://fishplate.org/vehicles/s=
pitfire/FM72xxx/</a></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">RANT-=
</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What is the deal with these plasti=
c
body clips? </font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Possibly, some are &quo=
t;legacy&quot; parts - something that keeps getting used year after year, e=
ven as new clips must be designed for other uses (to become legacies themse=
lves...)</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres=
, Ga.=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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>Wow!  Having spent parts of 22 years doing something pretty similar to
>an Austin Healey I can appreciate every step, including the oopses.
>Thanks for the trip.
>-Roland
>
>On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:05:41 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. 
>>Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the 
>>first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there.
>>
>>https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm 
>>
>>Let me know what you think.
>>
>>
>>"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
>>being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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Very good amount of work getting that truck ready. I=E2=80=99m doing a frame=
 off on a 1967.5 Datsun roadster but I=E2=80=99m not doing the body. Someone=
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Let me know what you think.=20


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At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:

 >I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and 
comments.  Check it out.
 >This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first 
photo in the album and just the next
 >arrow from there.
 >
 ><https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm>https<https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm>://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm 

 >
 >Let me know what you think.

Eric,

Very impressive!!!!  Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick 
plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?  If so, that is 
unbelieveable!!!  That's something I
wished I'd learned how to do.

My hat's off to you.

John


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<font size=3>At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:<br><br>
&gt;</font><font size=2>I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with
some notes and comments.&nbsp; Check it out. <br>
</font><font size=3>&gt;</font><font size=2>This is just a first draft.
Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next
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there.</font><font size=3> <br>
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<a href="https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm">
://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm</a></u></font><font size=3> <br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Let me know what you think. <br><br>
Eric,<br><br>
Very impressive!!!!&nbsp; Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick
plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?&nbsp; If so, that
is unbelieveable!!!&nbsp; That's something I <br>
wished I'd learned how to do.<br><br>
My hat's off to you.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:19:43 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

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> Let me know what you think.


I don't do body work.. This is why.

My hat is off to you....

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a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
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John asked:
>Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds 
at the back of the cab? 

I bought what panels I could.  That was both corners,driver's inner, 
driver's front kick panel, and  the one door bottom (I needed both door 
bottoms and the inner for both as well.)

 I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two 
driver's side and cut one up to work.

I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick plates/rockers 
for the rear of the cab and many other pieces.



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">John asked:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt;</font><font size=3>Did you fabricate
the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the
cab? &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I bought what panels I could. &nbsp;That
was both corners,driver's inner, driver's front kick panel, and &nbsp;the
one door bottom (I needed both door bottoms and the inner for both as well.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&nbsp;I couldn't get any passenger side
kick or rockers, so I bought two driver's side and cut one up to work.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards,
lots of the kick plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other
pieces.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
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Waldo Emerson <br>
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anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30=
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 and different caller id names,  but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded =
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Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

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=80=A6 I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions
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On 6/17/2020 6:05 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
> John asked:
>  >Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner =

> rounds at the back of the cab?
> =

> I bought what panels I could. =A0That was both corners,driver's inner, =

> driver's front kick panel, and =A0the one door bottom (I needed both door =

> bottoms and the inner for both as well.)
> =

>  =A0I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two =

> driver's side and cut one up to work.
> =

> I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick =

> plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces.

We're not worthy.  But damn, I wish I had that much space to work with.

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On June 17, 2020 8:38:10 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
> anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 
> and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers  
> and different caller id names,  but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded 
> message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to complain they just 
> hang up… I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions
>
> john
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> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: "Steve" <steve@leatherplates.com>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:58:20 -0700
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Cleaning up old storage during the C-19 times.  Found this packed=20
away, don=E2=80=99t remember ever using it...but them why do I have it?
I have some ideas, but I=E2=80=99m hoping for a definitive answer.  It =
certainly=20
appears that there are parts missing........

Super thanks.
Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



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<DIV>away, don=E2=80=99t remember ever using it...but them why do I have =
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<DIV>I have some ideas, but I=E2=80=99m hoping for a definitive =
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certainly </DIV>
<DIV>appears that there are parts missing........</DIV>
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Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.  The wood is the face 
of the fence.  The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has 
been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ 


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Looks like a fence for a shaper/router
table to me. &nbsp;The wood is the face of the fence. &nbsp;The pin that
sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Now, if you want a hard one, here is
one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. &nbsp;It's
been on this redit for a while also...</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><a href=https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/><font size=3 color=blue><u>https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/</u></font></a><font size=3>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:12:21 -0400
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:

>  I don't answer most calls from numbers I
> don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam'
> button somewhere.


The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the number
spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area
code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not
the spam caller.

I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.  I make them do
the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...

"Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"

"Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."

*click*

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 Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jem@milleredp.com">jem@milleredp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0I d=
on&#39;t answer most calls from numbers I <br>
don&#39;t recognize, and in mobile phones there&#39;s usually a &#39;block =
as spam&#39; <br>
button somewhere.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The problem with that is =
that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed.=C2=A0 A guy in B=
angalore is not calling me from a number in my area code.=C2=A0 If I block =
it, I&#39;ll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam caller.=
=C2=A0 <br><br>I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.=
=C2=A0 I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...=
</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Oh.=C2=A0 Do you have another vehicle?&quot=
;</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Yep.=C2=A0 A 1976 Triumph.&quot;</div><div=
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I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but =
keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be =
an unknowingly brilliant move!  Virtually any call I get from an unknown =
number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a =
pretty good chance of being real. =20

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller <jem@milleredp.com =
>  I don't answer most calls from numbers I=20
> don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as =
spam'=20
> button somewhere.
>=20
> The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the =
number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in =
my area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, =
and not the spam caller. =20
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keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be =
an unknowingly brilliant move! &nbsp;Virtually any call I get from an =
unknown number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call =
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who may be legit, and not the spam caller.&nbsp; <br class=3D""><br =
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I have Xfinity voice.=C2=A0 I'm not sure how it happened, but now when a =
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through to me.=C2=A0 This eliminates 99% of junk calls.

On 6/18/2020 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
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> do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...
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when
      a new number calls my home, they have to press 1 before the call
      will go through to me.=C2=A0 This eliminates 99% of junk calls.<br>=

    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2020 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough
      wrote:<br>
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            10:07 PM John Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jem@milleredp.com"=

              moz-do-not-send=3D"true">jem@milleredp.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
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            calls from numbers I <br>
            don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a
            'block as spam' <br>
            button somewhere.</blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I
            get have the number spoofed.=C2=A0 A guy in Bangalore is not
            calling me from a number in my area code.=C2=A0 If I block it=
,
            I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam
            caller.=C2=A0 <br>
            <br>
            I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.=C2=
=A0
            I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975
            Triumph...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>"Oh.=C2=A0 Do you have another vehicle?"</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>"Yep.=C2=A0 A 1976 Triumph."</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>*click*</div>
          <div><br>
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On 6/18/2020 5:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>
>
>
> The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the 
> number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in 
> my area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be 
> legit, and not the spam caller.
>
> I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make them 
> do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...
>
> "Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"
>
> "Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."
>
> *click*

Since I only use a land line, YMMV, but, I just put a looooong answer 
message on the phone.  I mean three-four minutes long.  My relatives 
know it's there and they wait, and if I expect to get a business call, I 
warn them in advance, and they wait, too.  In most instances, the 
robocalls and spammers are gone before the message is complete.  The 
rare instances of those from companies on the east coast threatening me 
with bogus legal action that are still relaying a threat when the 
message is over are met with me picking up the phone, and saying, "fraud 
is a felony."  Then I hang up and I don't hear from any of them for a 
few months until they get a new list of phone numbers and start all over 
again.

Kinda low-tech, but it works.


Cheers.


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          <div>The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I
            get have the number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not
            calling me from a number in my area code.  If I block it,
            I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam
            caller.  <br>
            <br>
            I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. 
            I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975
            Triumph...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>"Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>"Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>*click*</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Since I only use a land line, YMMV, but, I just put a looooong
      answer message on the phone.  I mean three-four minutes long.  My
      relatives know it's there and they wait, and if I expect to get a
      business call, I warn them in advance, and they wait, too.  In
      most instances, the robocalls and spammers are gone before the
      message is complete.  The rare instances of those from companies
      on the east coast threatening me with bogus legal action that are
      still relaying a threat when the message is over are met with me
      picking up the phone, and saying, "fraud is a felony."  Then I
      hang up and I don't hear from any of them for a few months until
      they get a new list of phone numbers and start all over again.</p>
    <p>Kinda low-tech, but it works.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
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From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:48:41 -0700
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my
 website- Check it out
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Hi Eric,

What a terrific accomplishment! The final product speaks highly of you.
Congratulations on a job well done. Looks better than new.

best,

doug

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

> At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:
>
> >I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and
> comments.  Check it out.
> >This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in
> the album and just the next
> >arrow from there.
> >
> > *https* <https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm>
> ://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm <https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm>
> >
> >Let me know what you think.
>
> Eric,
>
> Very impressive!!!!  Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and
> the corner rounds at the back of the cab?  If so, that is unbelieveable!!!
> That's something I
> wished I'd learned how to do.
>
> My hat's off to you.
>
> John
>
>
>
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> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
>           48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                        65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    www.team.net/morgan
> Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org
>
> If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Eric,<div><br></div><div>What a terrific accomplishment=
! The final product speaks highly of you. Congratulations=C2=A0on a job wel=
l done. Looks better than new.</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br=
></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM John T. Blair &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jblair1948@cox.net">jblair1948@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<font size=3D"3">At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:<br><br>
&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with
some notes and comments.=C2=A0 Check it out. <br>
</font><font size=3D"3">&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">This is just a first dr=
aft.
Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next
<br>
</font><font size=3D"3">&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">arrow from
there.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;</font><a href=3D"https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm" target=3D"_blan=
k">
<font size=3D"3" color=3D"#0000FF"><u>https</u></font></a>
<a href=3D"https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm" target=3D"_blank">
://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm</a><font size=3D"3"> <br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Let me know what you think. <br><br>
Eric,<br><br>
Very impressive!!!!=C2=A0 Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick
plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?=C2=A0 If so, that
is unbelieveable!!!=C2=A0 That&#39;s something I <br>
wished I&#39;d learned how to do.<br><br>
My hat&#39;s off to you.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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/a></div>
<div>Va. Beach,
Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-8229</div>
<br>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48
TR1800=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 #4 Midget=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4
Series V (B1106)</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
77 Spitfire=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III</div>
<div>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
65 Rambler Classic</div>
<br>
<div>Morgan:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"http://www.team.net/morgan" target=3D"_blank">
www.team.net/morgan</a></div>
<div>Bricklin:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"http://www.bricklin.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.bricklin.org</a>
</div>
<br>
<div>If you can read
this=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
- Thank a teacher!</div>
<div>If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!</div>
<br>
<div> From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, &quot;from many,
one.&quot;</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In God We Trust</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0
choosing,=C2=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 </div>
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
oneself; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 or=C2=A0
restriction=C2=A0 </div>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:33:44 -0400
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To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such
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I have similar experience as Jim. All of our phone numbers have Texas area c=
odes but we live in Atlanta Georgia.. I answer very few calls that I don=E2=80=
=99t recognize the number. If I have called a business and am expecting a ca=
ll back I will answer Atlanta Georgia calls that are not in my contact list.=
 Otherwise, if I don=E2=80=99t know you I don=E2=80=99t want to talk to you.=
 Said with a smile!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of u=
s, but keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to b=
e an unknowingly brilliant move!  Virtually any call I get from an unknown n=
umber Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty go=
od chance of being real. =20
>=20
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:=

>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:
>>>  I don't answer most calls from numbers I=20
>>> don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam'=20=

>>> button somewhere.
>>=20
>> The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the numbe=
r spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area co=
de.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the s=
pam caller. =20
>>=20
>> I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.  I make them d=
o the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...
>>=20
>> "Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"
>>=20
>> "Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."
>>=20
>> *click*
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I have similar experience as Jim. All of ou=
r phone numbers have Texas area codes but we live in Atlanta Georgia.. I ans=
wer very few calls that I don=E2=80=99t recognize the number. If I have call=
ed a business and am expecting a call back I will answer Atlanta Georgia cal=
ls that are not in my contact list. Otherwise, if I don=E2=80=99t know you I=
 don=E2=80=99t want to talk to you. Said with a smile!<br><br><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n Jun 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">=
I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but kee=
ping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be an unkn=
owingly brilliant move! &nbsp;Virtually any call I get from an unknown numbe=
r Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty good c=
hance of being real. &nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Sca=
rbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" class=3D"">fishplate@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=
=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:jem@milleredp.com" class=3D"">jem@milleredp.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D=
""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&nbsp;I don't answ=
er most calls from numbers I <br class=3D"">
don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' <br c=
lass=3D"">
button somewhere.</blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div clas=
s=3D"">The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the n=
umber spoofed.&nbsp; A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in m=
y area code.&nbsp; If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit,=
 and not the spam caller.&nbsp; <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I love getting=
 these calls for extending my auto warranty.&nbsp; I make them do the spiel a=
nd then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D"">"Oh.&nbsp; Do you have another vehicle?"</div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">"Yep.&nbsp; A 1976 Triumph."<=
/div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">*click*</div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br class=3D""><br class=3D""=
><a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" class=3D"">Shop-talk@autox.team=
.net</a><br class=3D"">Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br class=3D""=
>Suggested annual donation &nbsp;$12.96<br class=3D"">Archive: http://www.te=
am.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive<br class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-tal=
k/1789alpine@gmail.com<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></blockquote></div=
><br class=3D""><span>_______________________________________________</span>=
<br><span></span><br><span>Shop-talk@autox.team.net</span><br><span>Donate: h=
ttp://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br><span>Suggested annual donation &nb=
sp;$12.96</span><br><span>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk h=
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That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the =
sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?

jim

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>=20
> Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone =
has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while =
also...=20
>=20
>=20
> =
https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this=
_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ =
<https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_thi=
s_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/>
>=20
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jim<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, <a href="mailto:eric@megageek.com" class="">eric@megageek.com</a> wrote:</div><div class=""><br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">Now, if you want a hard one, here is
one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. &nbsp;It's
been on this redit for a while also...</font>
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class=""><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/" class=""><font size="3" color="blue" class=""><u class="">https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/</u></font></a><font size="3" class="">
</font><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br class="">
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No, there are no markings, and it does not open in anyway.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?



From:   Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
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That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the 
sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?

jim

On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has 
been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also... 


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ 


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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">No, there are no
markings, and it does not open in anyway.</span>
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<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Jim
Franklin &lt;jamesf@groupwbench.org&gt;</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
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<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">That doesn't open for storage inside?
And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, </span><a href=mailto:eric@megageek.com><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>eric@megageek.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt">
wrote:</span>
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Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone
has been able to figure out. &nbsp;It's been on this redit for a while
also...</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
<br>
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<br>
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A friend says: "Board supporter thing for holding the other end of a =
long board or piece of mill work during a sequence of cross cuts?"

I'm thinking a loop gauge, for repeated measuring of a length of =
string/ribbon etc.

I love this old what is it stuff :-)

jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A friend says: "<span dir="ltr" class=""><span class="_3l3x">Board supporter thing for holding the other end of a long board or piece of mill work during a sequence of cross cuts?"</span></span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm thinking a loop gauge, for repeated measuring of a length of string/ribbon etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I love this old what is it stuff :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jim<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:03 PM, <a href="mailto:eric@megageek.com" class="">eric@megageek.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif" class="">No, there are no
markings, and it does not open in anyway.</span>
<br class=""><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br class="">
-Who is John Galt?</span>
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class=""><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif" class="">From:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif" class="">Jim
Franklin &lt;<a href="mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org" class="">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>&gt;</span>
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<br class=""><span style=" font-size:12pt" class="">That doesn't open for storage inside?
And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?</span>
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<br class=""><span style=" font-size:12pt" class="">On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, </span><a href="mailto:eric@megageek.com" class=""><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue" class=""><u class="">eric@megageek.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt" class="">
wrote:</span>
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Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone
has been able to figure out. &nbsp;It's been on this redit for a while
also...</span><span style=" font-size:12pt" class=""> <br class="">
<br class="">
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue" class=""><u class=""><br class="">
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</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
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-Who is John Galt?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">
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Looks like a rare adjustable toilet paper holder.

Mike

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I have a lot of partially loose kitchen floor tiles. Before I do the unthinkable I'd like to try a shortcut. I've seen a few videos of this product, plus one of a guy injecting epoxy under the loose tile. Have you had any success (or failure) with anything like this?

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Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave it on=
 there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a charger if it =
won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for saving =
the battery

I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  I h=
ave brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank t=
he engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more and=
 now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it do=
es, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventuall=
y kills the battery.

I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as =
a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running strong.

Jack


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Yes&nbsp; a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.&nbsp; L=
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I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.&nbsp=
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I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as =
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 That's an option.=C2=A0 What else do they have in Salt Lake City?=C2=A0 Oh=
, yeah, salt.=C2=A0 ;-)
Seriously, lava, crushed concrete, anything that will pack tightly and won'=
t dissolve in the the rain would work best.
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:

On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel=
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> will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
>

Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.



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<div> <font size="3">That's an option.&nbsp; What else do they have in Salt Lake City?&nbsp; Oh, yeah, salt.&nbsp; ;-)</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Seriously, lava, crushed concrete, anything that will pack tightly and won't dissolve in the the rain would work best.</font><br>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;fishplate@gmail.com&gt;<br>
To: Mark J Bradakis &lt;mark@bradakis.com&gt;; shop-talk@autox.team.net &lt;Shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
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Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.</div>
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

> Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.  The wood is the face
> of the fence.  The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.
>

More specifically, I think a joiner fence.  Note that one fence is
adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.


>
> Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has
> been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...
>
>
>
> *https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/*
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/>
>

When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field
coils".   But if it was that, why the set screw?  You would need it to be
able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a finished
coil.  So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms?  They look kind
of pointy sharp.  But then why is it cylindrical?   I can't figure that
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a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">Looks like a fence for a shaper/router
table to me.=C2=A0 The wood is the face of the fence.=C2=A0 The pin that
sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.</font>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>More specifically, I think a joiner fe=
nce.=C2=A0 Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material remove=
d by the tool.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Now, if you want a hard one, here =
is
one I&#39;ve had for years that noone has been able to figure out.=C2=A0 It=
&#39;s
been on this redit for a while also...</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/fri=
end_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/" target=3D"_blank"><font size=
=3D"3" color=3D"blue"><u>https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/=
azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/</u></font></a><font =
size=3D"3">
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When I saw it, I thought &quot;a ji=
g for winding motor or generator field coils&quot;.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But if it w=
as that, why the set screw?=C2=A0 You would need it to be able to reset to =
the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil.=C2=A0 So, meant=
 to hold something by the top of the arms?=C2=A0 They look kind of pointy s=
harp.=C2=A0 But then why is it cylindrical?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I can&#39;t figure =
that part out.</div></div></div>

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I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router.  =
I=E2=80=99m leaning to the joiner fence theory,=20
but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated =
tool for a specific function.

Question:  is there any Shop Talk members that can use it?  I=E2=80=99d =
gladly mail it to anybody that=20
wants it for the cost of shipping.   Anybody?  Let me know.
Steve


Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



From: Jeff Scarbrough=20
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM
To: eric@megageek.com=20
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net ; Steve=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........


On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

  Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.  The wood is the =
face of the fence.  The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust =
collection.=20


More specifically, I think a joiner fence.  Note that one fence is =
adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.


  Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone =
has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while =
also...=20


  =
https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_thi=
s_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/=20


When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field =
coils".   But if it was that, why the set screw?  You would need it to =
be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a =
finished coil.  So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms?  =
They look kind of pointy sharp.  But then why is it cylindrical?   I =
can't figure that part out.
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<DIV>I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for =
joiner/shaper/router.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m=20
leaning to the joiner fence theory, </DIV>
<DIV>but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small =
dedicated tool=20
for a specific function.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Question:&nbsp; is there any Shop Talk members that can use =
it?&nbsp; I=E2=80=99d=20
gladly mail it to anybody that </DIV>
<DIV>wants it for the cost of shipping.&nbsp;&nbsp; Anybody?&nbsp; Let =
me=20
know.</DIV>
<DIV>Steve</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: =
#000000">Steve=20
Hammatt<BR>Mount Vernon WA =
USA<BR>www.leatherplates.com<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dfishplate@gmail.com>Jeff=20
Scarbrough</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Deric@megageek.com>eric@megageek.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DShop-talk@autox.team.net>shop-talk@autox.team.net</A> ;=20
<A title=3Dsteve@leatherplates.com>Steve</A> </DIV>
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&lt;<A>eric@megageek.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR></DIV>
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table to=20
  me.&nbsp; The wood is the face of the fence.&nbsp; The pin that sticks =
up is=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>More specifically, I think a joiner fence.&nbsp; Note that one =
fence is=20
adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator =
field=20
coils".&nbsp;&nbsp; But if it was that, why the set screw?&nbsp; You =
would need=20
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finished=20
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> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  
> I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely 
> crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week 
> or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.

I have a Noco Genius 7200 charger, and it works reasonably well for 
that, there are times that you need to charge on the 6V setting long 
enough for the charger to find enough life in the battery to 
'recondition' from.

John.
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This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for
batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short the
terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.  When it was fully discharged,
he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of the cells.  Then
fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up.  I'm an engineer, not
a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work
at least once to extend the life of a "dead" battery.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com> wrote:

> Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave it
> on there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a charger if
> it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for
> saving the battery
>
> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.  I
> have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank
> the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more
> and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it
> does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what
> eventually kills the battery.
>
> I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as
> a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running strong.
>
> Jack
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His s=
olution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to=
 short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.=C2=A0 When it was ful=
ly discharged, he&#39;d turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out =
of the cells.=C2=A0 Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back u=
p.=C2=A0 I&#39;m an engineer, not a chemist, so I don&#39;t understand exac=
tly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a=
 &quot;dead&quot; battery.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@live.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
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<div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family=
:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">
Yes=C2=A0 a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.=C2=A0 L=
eave it on there for at least a week.=C2=A0 You may need to boost it with a=
 charger if it won&#39;t get started for to lie voltage, but that is your b=
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I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.=C2=
=A0 I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely =
crank the engine over by leaving them on that &quot;pulse&quot; cycle for a=
 week or more and now they work great even in the
 cold winter months.=C2=A0 What they claim it does, is break down the sulfa=
te growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery.<br>
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I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as =
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I've heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if =
that was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen =
that no one wanted to follow.

jim

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for =
batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short =
the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.  When it was fully =
discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of =
the cells.  Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up.  =
I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this =
works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" =
battery.
>=20
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com =
> Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  Leave =
it on there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a =
charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your =
best bet for saving the battery=20
>=20
> I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. =
 I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely =
crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week =
or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What =
they claim it does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, =
which is what eventually kills the battery.
>=20
> I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a =
year as a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running strong.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I've =
heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if that =
was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen that =
no one wanted to follow.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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class=3D"">This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His =
solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, =
was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.&nbsp; When =
it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the =
sediment out of the cells.&nbsp; Then fill it with distilled water, and =
charge it back up.&nbsp; I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't =
understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to =
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Yes&nbsp; a battery tender or battery minder would be you best =
bet.&nbsp; Leave it on there for at least a week.&nbsp; You may need to =
boost it with a charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but =
that is your best bet for saving the battery
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I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the =
tender,.&nbsp; I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that =
would barely crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle =
for a week or more and now they work great even in the
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sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the =
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I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year =
as a precaution.&nbsp; The dying batteries are still running =
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Taken, and it apparently is for a pin router.
Thanks

Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



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To: Jeff Scarbrough ; eric@megageek.com=20
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........
I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router.  =
I=E2=80=99m leaning to the joiner fence theory,=20
but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated =
tool for a specific function.

Question:  is there any Shop Talk members that can use it?  I=E2=80=99d =
gladly mail it to anybody that=20
wants it for the cost of shipping.   Anybody?  Let me know.
Steve


Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



From: Jeff Scarbrough=20
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........


On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

  Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.  The wood is the =
face of the fence.  The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust =
collection.=20


More specifically, I think a joiner fence.  Note that one fence is =
adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.


  Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone =
has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while =
also...=20


  =
https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_thi=
s_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/=20


When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field =
coils".   But if it was that, why the set screw?  You would need it to =
be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a =
finished coil.  So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms?  =
They look kind of pointy sharp.  But then why is it cylindrical?   I =
can't figure that part out.


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<DIV>Taken, and it apparently is for a pin router.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:02 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for =
joiner/shaper/router.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m=20
leaning to the joiner fence theory, </DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Question:&nbsp; is there any Shop Talk members that can use =
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gladly mail it to anybody that </DIV>
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me=20
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Scarbrough</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM</DIV>
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From: "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
To: "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Thread-Topic: need a (horn) relay
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I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:  https://w=
ww.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=
=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.

I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad=
-boy-air-horn/wol-419/  but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine ho=
rn?

I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what=
 I'd need for the marine horn.

Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some=
 suggestions.

thanks all
tim

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I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:&nbsp;&nbsp=
;<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_=
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Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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I have the relay that came with this horn:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://realtruc=
k.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/" id=3D"LPlnk763633" style=3D"font-fa=
mily: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">https://realtruck.c=
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b(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
but
 I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?</span></div>
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<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-s=
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<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-s=
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 would have no idea what I'd need for the marine horn.&nbsp;</span></div>
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<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-s=
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</span></div>
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<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-s=
erif; font-size: 12pt;">Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching &quot;=
skills&quot; so am hoping for some suggestions.&nbsp;</span></div>
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<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-s=
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From: John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:47:35 -0500
To: "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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According to the specs, the relay you have should be good for 30 amps.
That should be plenty for any horn.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

> I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.
>
> I have the relay that came with this horn:
> https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/  but I wonder if
> it will work for/with the marine horn?
>
> I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea
> what I'd need for the marine horn.
>
> Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for
> some suggestions.
>
> thanks all
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">According to the specs, the relay you have should be good =
for 30 amps.=C2=A0 That should be plenty for any horn.<br></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2=
020 at 9:42 AM Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com">t=
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I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_=
b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,He=
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/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;p=
sc=3D1</a></div>
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Unfortunately, the marine horn didn&#39;t come with a relay.=C2=A0</div>
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I have the relay that came with this horn:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://realtruc=
k.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/" id=3D"gmail-m_4738496976643459335LP=
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a,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">but
 I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?</span></div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt">I don&#39;t care if I have to buy a different relay but would=
 have no idea what I&#39;d need for the marine horn.=C2=A0</span></div>
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt">Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching &quot;skills&quo=
t; so am hoping for some suggestions.=C2=A0</span></div>
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At 10:41 AM 6/24/2020, Tim . wrote:

 >I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:
 ><https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 >Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.

Tim,

That's not a problem.

 >I have the relay that came with this horn:
 > 
<https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/>https<https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/>://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/
 >but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?

Yes it will work, IF you are NOT using that horn with the marine horn.

I see that your older horn draws 16amps so the 30A relay is 
great.  But I didn't
see anything it the ad for the marine horn as to how much current it requires.
So my guess would be, it will draw about the same or a little more 
than your older
horn.

 >I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no 
idea what I'd
 >need for the marine horn.

Any 12V 30Amp or greater relay will work.  I like the "Bosch" type automotive
relays, similar to this:

https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html

You should be able to get some thing at your local automotive part store.

John


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<font size=3>At 10:41 AM 6/24/2020, Tim . wrote:<br><br>
&gt;I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:
&nbsp; <br>
&gt;<a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1">
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1</a>
<br><br>
&gt;Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. <br><br>
Tim,<br><br>
That's not a problem.&nbsp; <br><br>
&gt;I have the relay that came with this horn:<br>
&gt;
<a href="https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/">https</a>
<a href="https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/">
://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/</a><br>
&gt;but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?<br><br>
Yes it will work, IF you are NOT using that horn with the marine
horn.&nbsp; <br><br>
I see that your older horn draws 16amps so the 30A relay is great.&nbsp;
But I didn't<br>
see anything it the ad for the marine horn as to how much current it
requires.<br>
So my guess would be, it will draw about the same or a little more than
your older<br>
horn.<br><br>
&gt;I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no
idea what I'd<br>
&gt;need for the marine horn. <br><br>
Any 12V 30Amp or greater relay will work.&nbsp; I like the
&quot;Bosch&quot; type automotive <br>
relays, similar to this:<br><br>
<a href="https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html" eudora="autourl">
https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html<br>
<br>
</a>You should be able to get some thing at your local automotive part
store.<br><br>
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I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained a=
ll over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can u=
se a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem with=
 it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.


Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the=
 road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's=
 all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice, especially=
 when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to=
 turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug!


Brian Warrick

Nampa, ID


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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jimmie Mayf=
ield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain?

What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus?
Gimmicky or are they worth it?  I'm toying with the idea of putting one
on my 4Runner.  The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too
concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be
putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.

What do you say?


J

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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 =
F-150. With the old plug the oil drained all over the cross&nbsp;member. I =
got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can use a short piece of vinyl ho=
se and direct the oil. Never had a problem
 with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Back when I was doing oil changes=
 and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the road semi trucks, I installed th=
em on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's all the time. Never a problem. I=
t really made oil changes nice, especially
 when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to=
 turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug!</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Brian Warrick</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM<br>
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Gimmicky or are they worth it?&nbsp; I'm toying with the idea of putting on=
e <br>
on my 4Runner.&nbsp; The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not to=
o <br>
concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be <br>
putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.<br>
<br>
What do you say?<br>
<br>
<br>
J<br>
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Thanks guys. I was hoping to not have to buy anything else. (that bad boy h=
orn was a frelling horrible high pitches POS of a horn btw)

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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:41 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay

I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:  https://w=
ww.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=
=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.

I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad=
-boy-air-horn/wol-419/  but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine ho=
rn?

I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what=
 I'd need for the marine horn.

Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some=
 suggestions.

thanks all
tim

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I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:&nbsp;&nbsp=
;<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_=
asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helv=
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YF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</a></div>
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Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have the relay that came with this horn:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://realtruc=
k.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/" id=3D"LPlnk763633" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">https://realtruck.com/p/=
wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,=
0); font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">but
 I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?</span></div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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</span></div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; =
font-size:12pt">I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would h=
ave no idea what I'd need for the marine horn.&nbsp;</span></div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; =
font-size:12pt">Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching &quot;skills&q=
uot; so am hoping for some suggestions.&nbsp;</span></div>
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From: Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:19:41 -0400
To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain?
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I had a Fumoto on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT, and every mechanic who changed
the oil loved it. Never had any leaking or other issues.

I did order one for my 2008 Audi S4 Avant, but the one they specified for
my car (F106S) did NOT fit. Anyone need one of those? I have it here still,
in the bag. M15-1.5, with the 5mm nipple.

-Peter

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Brian and Wendy Warrick <
maynerdfamily@msn.com> wrote:

> I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained
> all over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can
> use a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem
> with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.
>
>
> Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over
> the road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam
> III's all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice,
> especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had
> an hour to turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil
> plug!
>
>
> Brian Warrick
>
> Nampa, ID
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jimmie
> Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM
> *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain?
>
> What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus?
> Gimmicky or are they worth it?  I'm toying with the idea of putting one
> on my 4Runner.  The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too
> concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be
> putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.
>
> What do you say?
>
>
> J
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had a Fumoto on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT, and every mec=
hanic who changed the oil loved it. Never had any leaking or other issues.<=
div><br></div><div>I did order one for my 2008 Audi S4 Avant, but the one t=
hey specified for my car (F106S) did NOT fit. Anyone need one of those? I h=
ave it here still, in the bag. M15-1.5, with the 5mm nipple.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Brian and We=
ndy Warrick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:maynerdfamily@msn.com">maynerdfamily@msn.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">




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ltr">
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I am using the Fumoto on my 1=
977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained all over the cross=C2=A0member=
. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can use a short piece of viny=
l hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem
 with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Back when I was doing oil cha=
nges and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the road semi trucks, I installe=
d them on CAT 3406&#39;s and Cummins Big Cam III&#39;s all the time. Never =
a problem. It really made oil changes nice, especially
 when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to=
 turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug!</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Brian Warrick</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Nampa, ID</p>
<br>
<br>
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:</b> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net" tar=
get=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Jimmie=
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=3D"_blank">mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Sh=
op-talk@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" =
target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
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ont>
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<div>What&#39;s the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus=
?=C2=A0
<br>
Gimmicky or are they worth it?=C2=A0 I&#39;m toying with the idea of puttin=
g one <br>
on my 4Runner.=C2=A0 The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I&#39;m no=
t too <br>
concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I&#39;d be <=
br>
putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.<br>
<br>
What do you say?<br>
<br>
<br>
J<br>
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Had Fumoto plugs since the 90s. Their springs are =

solid.  Never had a problem...

You will drain out a little less oil since the =

threaded portion of the plug remains in the pan =

and the effective relative height of the opening =

is higher off the "floor" of the pan - but it's minimal.



At 06/24/2020 at 12:13, Shakespearean monkeys =

danced on Jimmie Mayfield's keyboard and said:
>What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like =

>Fumoto and Stahlbus?=C2  Gimmicky or are they =

>worth it?=C2  I'm toying with the idea of putting =

>one on my 4Runner.=C2  The oil pan is protected by =

>a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about =

>debris snagging the plug but it does seem like =

>I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug =

>spring. What do you say? J =

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:03:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans
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I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would probably look at a
USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a jump-start pack
with USB power).

Of course, being the tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a
computer case fan connected to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's
cooling requirements.

-Peter

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

> any of you guys use a battery operated fan  (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc)
> What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery...  thinking
> about car shows
> and keeping my wife comfortable.  Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs
> but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot...
>
> john
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ump-start pack with USB power).<div><br></div><div>Of course, being the tre=
mendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connected =
to a 12V battery, but I don&#39;t know your wife&#39;s cooling requirements=
.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM joh=
n niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt; wro=
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<div><font size=3D"4">and keeping my wife comfortable.=C2=A0 Got the canopy=
, the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly=
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I use the Arctic Cooler misting fan that sits on a 5 gallon bucket and uses Ryobi one plus batteries.  About 3 hours on a 1.5 ah battery, all day on a 4ah or bigger. You can also connect it to a hose instead of the 5 gallon bucket.<br><br><br>Sent from Xfinity Connect Application<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br><br>From: jniolon@att.net<br>To: shop-talk@autox.team.net<br>Sent: 2020-06-26 9:02:35 AM <br>Subject: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans<br><br>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:16:39 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans
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Maybe try something like this USB powered mini AC unit:
https://www.newegg.com/p/0FJ-01RC-00002

You should be able to use it with either a car USB adapter or a portable
battery pack.
--
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Tualatin, OR  Big Llama Productions


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would probably look at a
> USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a jump-start pack
> with USB power).
>
> Of course, being the tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a
> computer case fan connected to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's
> cooling requirements.
>
> -Peter
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>
>> any of you guys use a battery operated fan  (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc)
>> What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery...  thinking
>> about car shows
>> and keeping my wife comfortable.  Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs
>> but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot...
>>
>> john
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe try something like this USB powered mini AC unit:<di=
v><a href=3D"https://www.newegg.com/p/0FJ-01RC-00002">https://www.newegg.co=
m/p/0FJ-01RC-00002</a></div><div><br></div><div>You should be able to use i=
t with either a car USB adapter or a portable battery pack.<br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_s=
ignature">--<br>__<br>Miq Millman=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:miq@bigllam=
a.com" target=3D"_blank">miq@bigllama.com</a><br>Tualatin, OR=C2=A0 Big Lla=
ma Productions<br></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Pe=
ter Murray &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:peterwmurray@gmail.com">peterwmurray@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t use any battery operated fans, but I would=
 probably look at a USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or=
 a jump-start pack with USB power).<div><br></div><div>Of course, being the=
 tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connec=
ted to a 12V battery, but I don&#39;t know your wife&#39;s cooling requirem=
ents.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM=
 john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net" target=3D"_blank">jniol=
on@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">



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<div><font size=3D"4">any of you guys use a battery operated fan=C2=A0 (dew=
alt, Milwaukee, etc)=C2=A0=C2=A0 What run time do you get on a standard 18 =
or 20 volt battery...=C2=A0 thinking about car shows</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">and keeping my wife comfortable.=C2=A0 Got the canopy=
, the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly=
 hot...</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">john</font></div>
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