From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 06:02:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AFFA2245 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F7DA13EB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 05:55:46 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:55:43 -0400 06/01/2020 07:55:46 AM, Serialize complete at 06/01/2020 07:55:46 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8540246347020445325== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004187AF8525857A_= OD, Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences. I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balancer combo. I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run. With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it. Total time, about 15 mins. Without the changer, I don't think I would have tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price. I look forward to your tool reviews. I may add one or two. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004187AF8525857A_= OD,

Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences.

I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balancer combo.


I am glad I bought them.  The money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it.

While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run.  With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it.  Total time, about 15 mins.  Without the changer, I don't think I would have tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price.

I look forward to your tool reviews.  I may add one or two.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 004187AF8525857A_=-- --===============8540246347020445325== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8540246347020445325==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 07:01:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3730A25E2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64F8A2131 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 07:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id c35so7196013edf.5 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 06:01:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RpfcOvMx5LD34q96brdokq1TRuaBW29rGUOXC/tQNG0=; b=ly9eDazGatishlzzz+ohuRQihdiEY11AhuGS8eAbBcxBfm+S0ggQWAi3TiOwTHTGBg Voqt4Kq1gUoeaZVvm70VuHFySmS2YRrPDemDzyp0jMeuf03ilHTr2d3U6+1Ys7QG/LRC RPddlTxF2XteJTf277TH2FxOfr61SBeRTfRtaFjlw/94SfQ9HU3AwUgC+d1w6iKBDggG SQEDtTEMrPcFi2Za3V1YDeMGB+xWa1tN0A43P9ctstjA5xxSruaTnJRbTQiHVEPDRunO E/9ZmwVgq7iW6qFYZxZFNXEFDWdiLJlmMULKNlZBESFzI5r9dO2DFasnElUWq50b4Jfy hIww== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RpfcOvMx5LD34q96brdokq1TRuaBW29rGUOXC/tQNG0=; b=ppbe1z85fADMiBzi80y6vjdu4SYmIvsS7/0t9b9w0pClm3qcbRKrJZiCXoKV4U2QkI C2bXZioyUyFDqDk3yeCOm9iDWgXXssVzBsqRSfP2c4BQYcmD+CRRxH2t1SOtOhthD5F2 TSXyqsxm4XArkNjSIwNe/PsbghKPoIuTdKPSjirUDCyUdBS35UC59pvEZnvO3feWUv3H /iSujPtr3P5+wg5EtscYM7txkTJjJjKKn+yFYUlPNDgf9wYkRmHKOSx4wxhyBdjtNWOh b1H1crAEhlgT9koIVBcgDlb97LdiZ1YwArAb8mWbxMj685IbMIR7m/ORKg1+EeQao96d AHzQ== B/4t8iANb1r74FoGqleNfSZs0hqwLL6F+oR5Pdltg1my Mon, 01 Jun 2020 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) References: From: old dirtbeard Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:01:28 -0700 To: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3022478949465364721== --0000000000003e4e9705a7056380 Hi Eric, Yes, your comment: I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. Hits to the heart of this discussion. Over the decades I have changed scores of tires on the floor with tire irons because in my mind I was being smarter for not spending hundreds of dollars for something that I could do "for free" with the tools I had. I wish I had been better to myself all those years. I really enjoy using high-quality tools. Using good tools improves the quality of the shop experience. Some of you may have read *Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: an inquiry into values*, 1974, Bantam Book. If not, I would suggest it, particularly if you are not a motorcyclist. He states, to the effect, that (my paraphrase) We should not rush through the maintenance process, that we learn about ourselves during the process. The process has value. We should enjoy the act of maintenance I believe it, and using high quality tools for the process greatly enhances the experience. best, doug On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM wrote: > OD, > > Thanks for sharing the tire tool experiences. > > I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight tire > changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and > balancer combo. > > I am glad I bought them. The money is hard to justify as it will take > over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it. > > While doing the restore on my dually F350, I found out that my inner tire > was cut from my last scrap yard run. With the changer being so easy to > use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it. > Total time, about 15 mins. Without the changer, I don't think I would have > tried to do a dually tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the > mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price. > > I look forward to your tool reviews. I may add one or two. > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? --0000000000003e4e9705a7056380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

Yes, your comment:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0I am glad I bought them.=C2=A0 The money is hard to justify as it wil= l take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it<= /font>.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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Hits to the heart of this discussion. Over the decades = I have changed scores of tires on the floor with tire irons because in my m= ind I was being smarter for not spending hundreds of dollars for something = that I could do "for free" with the tools I had.

I wish I had been better to myself all those=C2=A0years. I really = enjoy using high-quality tools. Using good tools improves the quality of th= e shop experience.

Some of you may have read Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: an inquiry into va= lues, 1974, Bantam Book. If not, I would suggest it, particularly i= f you are not a motorcyclist.=C2=A0

He states, to = the effect, that (my paraphrase) We should not rush through the maintenance= process, that we learn about ourselves during the process. The process has= value. We should enjoy the act of maintenance

I b= elieve it, and using high quality tools for the process greatly enhances th= e experience.

best,

doug<= /div>


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
OD,

Thanks for sharing the tire tool e= xperiences.

I purchased their 'no mar' bar and used it with a Harbor Freight ti= re changer for years, until I finally just bought a automatic tire changer and balance= r combo.


I am glad I bought them.=C2=A0 The= money is hard to justify as it will take over a hundred tire changes to pay for itself, but I really like it.

While doing the restore on my dual= ly F350, I found out that my inner tire was cut from my last scrap yard run. =C2=A0With the changer being so easy to use, I removed the tire, checked out the damage, and tried to patch it.=C2=A0 Total time, about 15 mins. =C2=A0Without the changer, I don't think I would have tried to do a dua= lly tire on my manual one, so I would have been at the mercy of just buying a new tire and paying the price.

I look forward to your tool review= s. =C2=A0I may add one or two.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EABA121F for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869E41C0162 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:38:56 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Mark J Bradakis Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:38:56 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7D626AC868810F2E6DA33C8C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And now for something completely unexpected!  Well, if you are one of my Facebook friends, no real surprise.  One passion of mine is cooking.  And appreciation of proper tools for the job is present in all endeavors. 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2344977282820458325== --00000000000087ede205a7107693 I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded connectors fo automotive and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of the guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE color code. Thanks --00000000000087ede205a7107693 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals a= nd molded connectors fo automotive=C2=A0and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ..= .? One of the guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair w= ith the OE color code.

Thanks
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I seem to remember a company that offers wire, terminals and molded c= onnectors fo automotive=C2=A0and bike use. Vintage Wiring, or ...? One of t= he guys on the 510 list is looking to doing some wiring repair with the OE = color code.

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--000000000000b5bc6105a71147d4-- --===============2456069705755749901== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2456069705755749901==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 22:49:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367FAA1AEF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pl1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7FCA143E for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 20:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pl1-f171.google.com with SMTP id bg4so3638641plb.3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:37:45 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id :references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language :mime-version; bh=ZXA7zixkh4DUDlnxmjSGP5CAUrlKeDX5mfp5Y8UIJ8E=; b=JG3fRDbXQw/fvLmvVzi8Le6XJ0lRlElia/C1r/WgR6LhXctCEBQfdG00TULYtJlKkN t6Vi+FrTq/AQUbDp8PMVY7f4ClGA7MkpyE7+K+zp8Kih4GC0sRnttVb3SpvpdeWX0Ik5 i0QOhwJSYnECc2OTQ4Tn29Ky//406xDRzRDSoTbrZEfNKA7gs8fgMVtErryI8Q6Drp6m g4BEaAfn2dKKSWdtwOBwPwFI76qUGy635c9JPJ4nE9dEuR8Qv8UNnhSfef20YvDC/3wl JCUrcD5Cu1ORe+yxrkNzRZ7DgNVjhdd+rbQwq4KO267+kaPVY76ZmxllxMzas1ew57sZ xMJg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:mime-version; bh=ZXA7zixkh4DUDlnxmjSGP5CAUrlKeDX5mfp5Y8UIJ8E=; b=sDTcbg79qxcel5Yf59NEWB7lJmai79MxTBzygFHqckS3Z1owk5d1zPjnczIrOmnnA3 qv2CcWZV/6kNSwk+HmMAzwM2R7xd+sMC5y/izROwHB61BSb3aAa77MQ+d3LG98qiGXa0 8zP+pQ6qDg61H4XoWjycoaymXViq/cCee6lJ3HEDzBMWLlyCUy/myv1hgrxtk1lCnC/r b4AIe03YD3aa1hLDM4cakEnbQWrv8XBNJ77+02udMnbNGsHIMxFc6A2TPi+l1MGunRIN IeN7suuCzjl6M5Av9ORrjKM/Q6pzKtUWoPkHoKcP8QbMaIu5FLVteSIFxxZ7cumSi7we zakQ== KjDPyBEpN2ITSi1s8ZbEwgA= fh7mr13074364pjb.64.1590979065064; Sun, 31 May 2020 19:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BYAPR04MB6053.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([2603:1036:307:28f0::5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x8sm9732153pfm.202.2020.05.31.19.37.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 31 May 2020 19:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: "eric@megageek.com" , David Scheidt Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Shop air line pressure Thread-Index: ATY1ODUz0LakASuIptqh6VmV6Pwk60E0QTQ5MDk4NTY= Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 02:37:39 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop air line pressure Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9208160498500109202== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BYAPR04MB60530425E3081B8B8B5F199DAB8A0BYAPR04MB6053namp_" --_000_BYAPR04MB60530425E3081B8B8B5F199DAB8A0BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate r= egulators for my garage. Best, des (mobile) --_000_BYAPR04MB60530425E3081B8B8B5F199DAB8A0BYAPR04MB6053namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate r= egulators for my garage.

Best,

des
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--_000_BYAPR04MB60530425E3081B8B8B5F199DAB8A0BYAPR04MB6053namp_-- --===============9208160498500109202== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9208160498500109202==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 07:12:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F11A1971 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61E8A1D58 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NeilHP ([89.242.146.255]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id g6YfjL5cgeMEUg6YgjgA2k; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 14:02:22 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1591102942; bh=VWNfNjGLt1DCAB5lzmVKoLOzndiQyzTvgwrE+hjXg2U=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=eF1sROCJ0o7rQZLUqokbqA9UuooooN7sUN/aLinjTFlVMjy6LXYE8G4OBifptC4dk JqKy83bIKjflAw54hGn1as3Yt+3R1wdMM6gD982phMZfNq+0LihV3sMAkxP7yeCF+B agsmXK4wTlAwNieyYU4SlnGur9IllE8JIKpXR66o= a=kwzdOlO7yPUboy7hovq1Bw==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=yVyA7d5Camj_p6YTCa8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=W4m-ue0MgPLYCvddMMAA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Neil Sherry" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:02:20 +0100 Thread-Index: AdY43XtJ2EKb8AxKQXOstGcyl51sBQ== Content-Language: en-gb QO0gXKdcWjQTcf/QF4Jx3ukpq03rm0dwHLHAFbnNnTcBZvUVydduUqiFL3PLBWZFbQTaR+nF7NL6ig== Subject: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6240684760135998608== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07EF_01D638E6.6F89BE60" Content-Language: en-gb This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07EF_01D638E6.6F89BE60 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =96 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) = =96 best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap = it =96 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to = some =BE=94 plywood =96 which would make it slide and not fall over =96 but = do I need to box it in? What have you done? Thanks Neil ------=_NextPart_000_07EF_01D638E6.6F89BE60 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi – I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to = Finland (from the UK) – best deal I have found is with UPS = Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it – I am thinking I = could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some =BE” = plywood – which would make it slide and not fall over – but = do I need to box it in? What have you done?

Thanks

Neil

------=_NextPart_000_07EF_01D638E6.6F89BE60-- --===============6240684760135998608== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6240684760135998608==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 07:28:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E024A2242 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53DAA16AA for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBC776000E; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:26:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:26:54 -0400 To: Neil Sherry References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1139804994270556460== boundary="Apple-Mail=_AC75AAF2-59A1-49B5-B960-2B5242F41C3B" --Apple-Mail=_AC75AAF2-59A1-49B5-B960-2B5242F41C3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have = requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a = forklift-compatible pallet.=20 I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking = care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use = angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you = use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around = the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently.=20 If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the = gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're = comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard = "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up = momentum. jim > On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry = wrote: >=20 > Hi =E2=80=93 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from = the UK) =E2=80=93 best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any = suggestions on how to wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the = oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80= =93 which would make it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need = to box it in? What have you done? > Thanks > Neil > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org = --Apple-Mail=_AC75AAF2-59A1-49B5-B960-2B5242F41C3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 For = starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have requirements = for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a = forklift-compatible pallet. 

I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye = bolts, taking care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You = could also use angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing = mounting holes, if you use enough that a rotational torque won't break = off the casting around the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes = violently. 

If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets = around the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that = until you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of = cardboard "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to = build up momentum.

jim

On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry = <neiljsherry@talktalk.net> wrote:

Hi =E2=80=93= I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) =E2=80=93 = best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to = wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, = strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=93 which would make = it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need to box it in? What = have you done?
Thanks
Neil
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= --Apple-Mail=_AC75AAF2-59A1-49B5-B960-2B5242F41C3B-- --===============1139804994270556460== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1139804994270556460==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 07:36:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD4FA2292 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7217CA223D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id g6evjF9htA5Wmg75gjREpm; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:36:28 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1591104988; bh=5sddD9wdguPZrYLTu8N+UtWFBGkQmrEUcnhuZhgv00g=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id; b=A65T097b89qBkRgIJMc7W542+QfmAn8uP3T0H8dkdZAByQGxIb52Ij1BWbyVbIOEN 5QG8Z2GuOrGIZtIg/LE61ku+kHw1sV1cAevLHHXVpyOX7XkHpBYhIPgK7uUhKN4nai pxi4qsxw45n0dt3S9rUam0hJ/MAdWiAgWvkWNhx4druiYar+65UpdRjCTZ9MlRyeWz yH0OOtA4yjelEeQ2Yf444CI8f94/7swZ4rphJ578SuzGuEcmypn3/9aOTcLSza2Vea sASeJfDSSqbV8n/aZJqqqjFvPhoSsNPNS4dZmvFULlI6225lcwvkB7/Qx7u6dqv0rC D4YIMKr2MkVqQ== Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id g75ej1uPFX6Tlg75fjVyR7; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:36:28 +0000 From: Robert Rochlin Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:36:26 -0400 References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> <8483794B-ED04-4466-BBE0-1B81E68089CF@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2090623769884279818== boundary="Apple-Mail=_1A4404C3-8B3D-440A-88C5-E84ADBFCDEF3" --Apple-Mail=_1A4404C3-8B3D-440A-88C5-E84ADBFCDEF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 When I shipped my od gearbox (I used FedEx) I built a wooden = crate around the gearbox from 1X2s and 3/8 plywood bolting the gearbox = to the crate. I used that crate several times and never had any damage. = It added some weight to the shipping, but the sold protection was worth = it. Best, Bob > On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jim Franklin = wrote: >=20 > For starters I would ask the shipping company. They often have = requirements for items of a certain weight, such as strapping it to a = forklift-compatible pallet.=20 >=20 > I have strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking = care when I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use = angle brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you = use enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around = the hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently.=20 >=20 > If it's small enough, you can't go wrong with a few blankets around = the gearbox, then drop that inside a box in a box (repeat that until = you're comfortable that it won't roll through the x number of cardboard = "walls"). The tighter the better so it doesn't get a chance to build up = momentum. >=20 > jim >=20 >> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry >=20 >> Hi =E2=80=93 I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from = the UK) =E2=80=93 best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any = suggestions on how to wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the = oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80= =93 which would make it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need = to box it in? What have you done? >> Thanks >> Neil >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org = > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1A4404C3-8B3D-440A-88C5-E84ADBFCDEF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 When I = shipped my od gearbox (I used FedEx) I built a wooden crate around the = gearbox from 1X2s and 3/8 plywood bolting the gearbox to the crate. =  I used that crate several times and never had any damage.  It = added some weight to the shipping, but the sold protection was worth = it.
Best,
Bob

On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

For starters I would = ask the shipping company. They often have requirements for items of a = certain weight, such as strapping it to a forklift-compatible = pallet. 

I have = strapped motorcycle engines to pallets using eye bolts, taking care when = I routed the straps around sharp edges. You could also use angle = brackets to bolt it down using the existing mounting holes, if you use = enough that a rotational torque won't break off the casting around the = hole. It will be jostled a bunch, sometimes violently. 

If it's small enough, = you can't go wrong with a few blankets around the gearbox, then drop = that inside a box in a box (repeat that until you're comfortable that it = won't roll through the x number of cardboard "walls"). The tighter the = better so it doesn't get a chance to build up momentum.

jim

On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry <neiljsherry@talktalk.net> wrote:

Hi =E2=80=93= I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) =E2=80=93 = best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to = wrap it =E2=80=93 I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, = strap it down to some =C2=BE=E2=80=9D plywood =E2=80=93 which would make = it slide and not fall over =E2=80=93 but do I need to box it in? What = have you done?
Thanks
Neil
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= --Apple-Mail=_1A4404C3-8B3D-440A-88C5-E84ADBFCDEF3-- --===============2090623769884279818== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2090623769884279818==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 07:43:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22104A22BB for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF290A2256 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:43:38 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1591105418; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=08jBn10MvsJ0MVhwNY703EvbCOA=; b=oHnlndz+mNNZl04yBmmibhOC0e8uJ8kI3wBcQxQ+snCf5OdDSdqoYRWu1bA48UaF i8SfXDQjeNDwpbLbZJp6bSha5QsehV39iHQJwKkSBORbhwsrdR7NWK/ogOWHEPMR kwLQJCXnxzCBChm3U/LqWOSJQkSg+YycszyWeEe7jXt+bO6QUwRQdqVDUr3eGvxh 0Y9j9XuaRS85Ts2bjiEyzIfClZaNr3FnDpZk04Jj4ITMnSJjA4Df489L/S6YaJmb bd2r1KdWj1RgWPclf4HvX4cMOiOFHgwd0B37N8WDGMTpmjypVkPf4ztua27EX663 rdQXeYPpJIXxx/UEmTTO8A==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=AWVJBmMJRc5hBbIJTX0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=crl3ZChhzDbAGhn9FZYA:9 a=lUt0t1S9Kyeq-vBo:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:49251] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) id E3/F0-29911-A8756DE5; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 09:43:38 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, neiljsherry@talktalk.net References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> From: Eric Russell Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:43:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8180907641214033531== boundary="------------D7C5EF7C852B185CE068CEF2" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D7C5EF7C852B185CE068CEF2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it. On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: > > Hi – I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) – > best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to > wrap it – I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap > it down to some ¾” plywood – which would make it slide and not fall > over – but do I need to box it in? What have you done? > > Thanks > > Neil > -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC --------------D7C5EF7C852B185CE068CEF2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it.

On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:

Hi – I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) – best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it – I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ¾” plywood – which would make it slide and not fall over – but do I need to box it in? What have you done?

Thanks

Neil

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--------------D7C5EF7C852B185CE068CEF2-- --===============8180907641214033531== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8180907641214033531==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 07:56:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52481A256B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5E5A23ED for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:56:42 -0600 (MDT) References: <22633d8c-573c-add2-a65d-0240f73dd70a@bradakis.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:56:41 -0400 06/02/2020 09:56:42 AM, Serialize complete at 06/02/2020 09:56:42 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Favorite tools Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0250199425938519459== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004C9AC28525857B_= >Mjb writes about 2 favorite kitchen tools. I want to share an experance. I HATE to cook. Being a 49 year old bachelor, you would think that I would have gotten over that by now, but NO. Then, in an auction lot I purchased for my store, there were some brand new high end (real high end) pots and pans. I needed a new frying pan as the "as seen on TV copper pan" I was using was garbage. So I took the frying pan and tried it. It made AWESOME eggs. They were so good, I started to try to cook other things. Now, I still hate to cook, but I don't mind it AS much if I'm using that pan. That pan has seen a lot of use over the past year since I got it, and I'm pretty protective of it. Funny how a tool can change us. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004C9AC28525857B_= >Mjb writes about 2 favorite kitchen tools.

I want to share an experance. I HATE to cook.  Being a 49 year old bachelor, you would think that I would have gotten over that by now, but NO.


Then, in an auction lot I purchased for my store, there were some brand new high end (real high end) pots and pans.  I needed a new frying pan as the "as seen on TV copper pan" I was using was garbage.  So I took the frying pan and tried it.

It made AWESOME eggs.  They were so good, I started to try to cook other things. Now, I still hate to cook, but I don't mind it AS much if I'm using that pan.

That pan has seen a lot of use over the past year since I got it, and I'm pretty protective of it.

Funny how a tool can change us.



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?

--=_alternative 004C9AC28525857B_=-- --===============0250199425938519459== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0250199425938519459==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 08:14:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC80A195C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC57DA18D9 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:14:13 -0600 (MDT) References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:14:12 -0400 06/02/2020 10:14:14 AM, Serialize complete at 06/02/2020 10:14:14 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6467734371700647974== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004E35658525857B_= >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox. I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas. Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized. You can make a pallet just larger than the unit. I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.) then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox. I hope this makes sense. I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top. Let me know if you have any other quesitons. Thanks Mule "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004E35658525857B_= >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.

I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some ideas.

Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized.  You can make a pallet just larger than the unit.

I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal.)  then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox.

I hope this makes sense.  I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top.

Let me know if you have any other quesitons.

Thanks


Mule



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-Who is John Galt?

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Tue, 02 Jun 2020 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:52:06 -0700 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool of the day - air jack Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3224320354357850934== --000000000000ee0b6605a71b0c3d Hi guys, I bought a pair of these this winter primarily for use with cars, but I really like the Zendex Rakjak two bag air jack. I have been using them for motorcycles as well. In the attached link to a photo where I am removing and reinstalling the rear wheel for my Sportster tire change, sliding the axle in through the swing arm, the disk brake, the belt adjusters, etc., always is a little tricky getting everything lined up height-wise while pushing the axle through. With the air jack, you can push the up/down buttons with one finger, raise or lower the lift by small fractions of an inch, and eyeball the axle alignment with the various components. The precision, smoothness, and controllability of the lifting is pretty amazing: https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=446D39C8B1E43758&id=446D39C8B1E43758%21166810&parId=446D39C8B1E43758%21166807&o=OneUp They are US-made, support 2 tons each, very well built, very fast lifting, good enough for professional shop use, all parts are replaceable, but they are pricey. If you were going to use it on trucks/vans/SUVs, I would recommend the three bag model as it would give you more lift. The three bag model probably would not fit under most sporty cars. Definitely not a necessity (sort of like changing tires on the floor versus the tire changer), but it makes jobs much easier with one man doing it, and is much faster. Downsides other than being pricey, they are a little wide and a little heavy, and do not have the lifting range that a trolley floor jack would have. I mostly got them to do car wheel removals when the car is on the lift (cannot use a floor jack), but have been using them instead of the floor jack even on the floor because they are so fast and easy. Not a necessity, maybe an indulgent luxury, but my tool of the day. Here is a video link from the manufacturer: https://shop.zendextool.com/RakJak%E2%84%A2-Air-Bag-Jack_c_23.html best, doug --000000000000ee0b6605a71b0c3d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,

I=C2=A0 bought a pair of these= this winter primarily for use with cars, but I really like the Zendex Rakj= ak two bag air jack. I have been using them for motorcycles as well.
<= div>
In the attached link to a photo where I am removing and = reinstalling the rear wheel for my Sportster tire change, sliding the axle = in through the swing arm, the disk brake, the belt adjusters, etc., always = is a little tricky getting everything lined up height-wise while pushing th= e axle through.

With the air jack, you can push th= e up/down buttons with one finger, raise or lower the lift by small fractio= ns of an inch, and eyeball the axle alignment with the various components. = The precision, smoothness, and controllability of the lifting is pretty ama= zing:

They are US-made, support 2 tons each,= very well built, very fast lifting, good enough for professional shop=C2= =A0use, all parts are replaceable, but they are pricey.

If you were going to use it on trucks/vans/SUVs, I would recommend th= e three bag model as it would give you more lift. The three bag model proba= bly would not fit under most sporty cars.

Definite= ly=C2=A0not a necessity (sort of like changing tires on the floor versus th= e tire changer), but it makes jobs much easier with one man doing it, and i= s much faster.

Downsides other than=C2=A0being pri= cey, they are a little wide and a little heavy, and do not have the lifting= range that a trolley floor jack would have.

I mos= tly got them to do car wheel removals when the car is on the lift (cannot u= se a floor jack), but have been using them instead of the floor jack even o= n the floor because they are so fast and easy.

Not= a necessity, maybe an indulgent luxury, but my tool of the day.
=
Here is a video link from the manufacturer:

best,

doug

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Regarding pallet size:=C2=A0 If it's too small to grab= with a fork lift or pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh lan= guage.=C2=A0 Just sayin'...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>Neil ask about shipping a gearbox.

I'm not sure what size you are= talking about, but here are some ideas.

Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should = be palletized.=C2=A0 You can make a pallet just larger than the unit.

I simple way to do it is to find a= hard sized box (wood or metal.) =C2=A0then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box. Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox.

I hope this makes sense.=C2=A0 I w= ould also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top.

Let me know if you have any other = quesitons.

Thanks


Mule



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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--000000000000cdc13805a71b6911-- --===============0160054177177269324== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0160054177177269324==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 19:14:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DF1A28ED for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A47DA1376 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A3E6C0002 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:14:14 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Window AC fan intermittent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A friend got a nice mini split system and have me his Frigidaire window AC. Weird problem is, the compressor runs when needed, but the fan shuts off intermittently. Sometimes it'll blow for a few minutes, other times for a few seconds. How long it stops is intermittent too. The compressor will even happily run while the fan doesn't. Is this a normal broken situation that's easily diagnosed or am I in for a world of troubleshooting? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 19:38:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525DFA2900 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291201.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E65A10B6 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 19:32:40 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591234358; bh=gwt7h2R5imx/NkBOO0Oat90VCnQ0sHAuEEU1/AFfwE4=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=qkFtyD91ihImdBvyIV1Q9UEECea1j3X1ttm682i0qw/FioAI7fgmTn16u++0NlCpA 4AFdh90XgpllPUGi4vJc0gfipOt8i7OOpYQ1P7agZMjrCndC8rzt1vWFLd+NMs8oFW 5QHj2zV6vE80LdXKvy53Pf6zDO/fVwa7f3c18mHhM68soY3DvT3cK1D/fdvrlXznnh zW2irbwzWJrQZ7K1Pp1Za/449JjJJiz0nSBDwiEvy0mzkHdJYS+apzEJ8RGZezPyPk ki48NY4WvWxuqOpmJzU6p+d7G/ItWqKTnW8Ahs9BfzZVYuLvL/5Frg7IetP0HT3xZV Z62AvfxNdmAxg== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291201.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D487ABC017D; 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Fri, 5 Jun 2020 03:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C309DA2D05 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 03:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.132.18.236] ([82.132.241.201]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id h8RVjO0CKJG17h8RVjPeoH; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:15:14 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1591348514; bh=aR5mQ+NJPFssR85rTcvD8scLS+Ej/ZfA3D7n/asf2AY=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From; b=T/elE2tA5kLP1f41nAlfyK0/hlZq+QY2SfN4goUsZFJ34l/e35j/kXpO4xTTtuEO9 l+yEyKePF1ix9Oq3YtA4vPoyKmehHsejU1mN/CYgAAVGYeRm+gzehXhFvNaWpqFRjr BOHbelFzWVuScNpyXwUd6emuiUTK3cIsVcXQh/TA= a=e5ycPVik7E7Sac30pDHf2w==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=tO0oaoJxsMGYhjedml8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=zJLWOCeAUR-6OO3K:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 10:15:10 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <07ee01d638de$0dc4ba20$294e2e60$@talktalk.net> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: neiljsherry@talktalk.net EPnWPFD6dcfppYZDjpf8rpc7WYs3uTAf+EQx11RCWruW30V9tK8tKoGrg1/hEUUnIDLxTTyhqt9mjw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5185099157255801143== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------TVGWRRK88JAIUKW5J7CMID3F62PPPD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for these comments - I ended up crating it - used some 3/4 plywood t= o make a base, top and two ends, connected with 2" angle iron bolted throug= h and some thinner ply for the sides=2E Gearbox bolted to end (four boots i= n bellhousing) and rear mount bolted to base=2E Finally a pair of 4x2's for= feet so it can be forked=2E Came in just under 70kg=2E Neil On 2 June 2020 16:17:33 BST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote= : >Regarding pallet size: If it's too small to grab with a fork lift or >pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language=2E Just >sayin'=2E=2E=2E > >On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM wrote: > >> >Neil ask about shipping a gearbox=2E >> >> I'm not sure what size you are talking about, but here are some >ideas=2E >> >> Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should be palletized=2E You can make a >pallet >> just larger than the unit=2E >> >> I simple way to do it is to find a hard sized box (wood or metal=2E)=20 >then >> bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box=2E Go from the bottom of the >top >> layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points >on the >> gearbox=2E >> >> I hope this makes sense=2E I would also cut out some cardboard >pryrminds to >> tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top=2E >> >> Let me know if you have any other quesitons=2E >> >> Thanks >> >> Mule >> >> >> >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory=2E" >Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet >> Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml >> Suggested annual donation $12=2E96 >> Archive: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail=2Ec= om >> >> --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------TVGWRRK88JAIUKW5J7CMID3F62PPPD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for these comments - I ended up crating it = - used some 3/4 plywood to make a base, top and two ends, connected with 2"= angle iron bolted through and some thinner ply for the sides=2E Gearbox bo= lted to end (four boots in bellhousing) and rear mount bolted to base=2E Fi= nally a pair of 4x2's for feet so it can be forked=2E Came in just under 70= kg=2E
Neil

On 2 June 2020 16:17:33 BST= , Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Regarding pallet size:  If it's too small to grab wi= th a fork lift or pallet jack, you're going to incite some harsh language= =2E  Just sayin'=2E=2E=2E

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM <eric@megageek=2Ecom> wrote:
>Neil ask about shipping a gearbox=2E

I'm not sure what size you are ta= lking about, but here are some ideas=2E

Anything over 75 or 80 lbs should= be palletized=2E  You can make a pallet just larger than the unit=2E

I simple way to do it is to find = a hard sized box (wood or metal=2E)  then bolt the gearbox to the pallet and the box=2E Go from the bottom of the top layer of the pallet, through the box's floor, and into mount points on the gearbox=2E

I hope this makes sense=2E  = I would also cut out some cardboard pryrminds to tape to the top so then don't stack other items on top=2E

Let me know if you have any other= quesitons=2E

Thanks


Mule



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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E= Please excuse my brevity=2E ------TVGWRRK88JAIUKW5J7CMID3F62PPPD-- --===============5185099157255801143== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5185099157255801143==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 5 14:04:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5DCA2C3E for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB596A2C2D for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:01:52 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:01:52 -0400 06/05/2020 04:01:52 PM, Serialize complete at 06/05/2020 04:01:52 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Mobile Column Truck lifts Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2356477671721969965== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006E09BE8525857E_= Does anyone have a source/ connection etc with a Mobile Column Truck lift company or distributor? I am looking for a low end set (2 or 4) that doesn't need to lift more than 12Klbs. All of the ones I've researched are for serious commercial applications and priced accordingly. They are all meant to lift way more weight than I need. I was hoping there was an 'entry level' company/model or maybe a used/resale market for older ones that companies need to unload. It's for occasional use, but I don't mind dropping semi-serious cash on it. Does anyone know of something that fits this bill? Thanks. BTW, I know know how a 2 post 10K LBS lift will fail when you have a 10K lbs truck on it, and it is NOT how I would have expected. Yes, this is related. 8>( "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 006E09BE8525857E_= Does anyone have a source/ connection etc with a Mobile Column Truck lift company or distributor?

I am looking for a low end set (2 or 4) that doesn't need to lift more than 12Klbs.  All of the ones I've researched are for serious commercial applications and priced accordingly.

They are all meant to lift way more weight than I need.

I was hoping there was an 'entry level' company/model or maybe a used/resale market for older ones that companies need to unload.  It's for occasional use, but I don't mind dropping semi-serious cash on it.

Does anyone know of something that fits this bill?

Thanks.

BTW, I know know how a 2 post 10K LBS lift will fail when  you have a 10K lbs truck on it, and it is NOT how I would have expected.  Yes, this is related.  8>(


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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Hi guys,

Since I primarily am a motorcy= cle person and have several old bikes to keep running, I have spent many ye= ars kneeling on concrete trying to access some lower portion of the bikes. = Much like the tire changer and getting the work up to waist level, getting = the motorcycle up in the air saves a great deal of kneeling on concrete and= bending over for hours at a time.

Another issue f= or me is vision now is wearing reading=C2=A0glasses for everything up close= . They are a real pain when your head is lower than your body, etc.

A couple years ago I bought a US-made Handy S.A.M.1,200 l= b. pneumatic lift. It has an excellent wheel clamp that will not contact 32= 0mm front disk rotors, thick powder-coated steel bed, lifts to about 40&quo= t; or 42" inches high, grease zerks on all bearing surfaces, a "t= rap door" for removing a wheel, a nice, rugged foot pedal for controll= ing the lift, a full-width ramp for loading and unloading bikes, and has an= airbag lifting mechanism instead of a pneumatic cylinder (faster lift and = less maintenance).

I am attaching a link to a phot= o of it in action:

I am sh= owing it with a light race bike but it is stout enough for large Harleys.

It is so much easier on the back and so much be= tter for the eyes in finding leaks or working underneath the engine, etc. I= am a better motorcycle=C2=A0mechanic because of the lift. I also enjoy the= work much more.

I should have bought one 20 or 30= years ago...

best,

doug<= /div>

--00000000000003b88c05a75c1b4c-- --===============8095168082659869618== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8095168082659869618==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 6 12:35:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32AFA2281 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC4FA1B12 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC7F0C0002 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:35:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:35:18 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 6 12:42:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8804DA2347 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7662AA21F9 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 553EAFF803 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:41:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:41:44 -0400 References: <7A755FA4-5778-438A-9F74-4F55E8DA84DA@groupwbench.org> To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Intrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode... > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. > > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'd like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool. > > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, maybe a bit more. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 6 12:59:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B9BA1907 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA219A179C for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.233]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id hdwnj2iGZmKTIhe2DjnxT3; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:59:13 +0000 d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1591469953; bh=hIgcJgBDkjRtBKnEvLHYE02FZ6KZiU97GZ1aZE7lOFc=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g9HpanJy+rft7oY2GMGPptbmxz7ed7xve8ILF2DMeNrFabEV/1xJYGynDfNyH6ypi 6eL6Hm2NrvACTHPWTwUcDTNX3zivds9cMVO/g77FkANHk0bQtsgHSwuSUbhXTDmiQX YhgSIoAHgV247+miTviQJRcP4hDt5p8n5HvLdMQjmZX+lR0CGW0VARUO7SIw+NxEFL +nQvVOXvtoK8QkP2WXjf1Q2LGqKX2XhE+nlmjGi3aBY1TPkFyZH00FmBsjHQVoeuIO L0VF1HKvAbto+Ib/D+i43RKbAibzipAczgSWvUW+AWfq+Aj9R6y2MaBzGvDCAhYtbh SE0lRK6WZwryA== Received: from [IPv6:2601:645:502:a1d0:40ec:39b4:f302:b578] ([IPv6:2601:645:502:a1d0:40ec:39b4:f302:b578]) by resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id he2CjN1G4RO9khe2CjaD1K; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:59:13 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Mark Miller Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 11:59:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tool of the day Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2573183626043664439== boundary="------------A3144280B7EACE2B96BA3A13" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3144280B7EACE2B96BA3A13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partial lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens. These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they have a full range of strengths): Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord Black, Blue, Red, Yellow 9137T4 5.10 -- Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller@threeboysfarm.com > From: old dirtbeard > > > Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for > everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your > body, etc. > > --------------A3144280B7EACE2B96BA3A13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partial lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens.

These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they have a full range of strengths):
Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB

And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr  


Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord 9137T4 5.10


-- 
Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com>


Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
body, etc.


--------------A3144280B7EACE2B96BA3A13-- --===============2573183626043664439== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2573183626043664439==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 6 15:57:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5494FA1A57 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 15:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7CDA1A53 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 15:57:31 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591480649; bh=FQIcA1hgsAquU+gIUuYPHQ81pMtnxJHO2vBdoXba4i0=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=msow3U86/oPzs6+nXaJKxbqezo7cMF0Oh3/yQvbZ5X6w1wmQIvnnPwYtJAAbuTja7 eonCOp6DYnKpvUAcsVyt+cV0EXFoI4HbKpF0tnPyw5PNKV7tRbZc9eo9fFgUFwezJt EA11WJBjtQQoZFCriqJhw9sfDkKtK7FWPVgQJbwIkpskFvDpFeGp0p+pBL5bH0IVul YsFbdKYDwR+CmFaCSvw/NPdgF/scixI+mebGgeOrrhTTaGApHMl/DskmnWvdqO9JDV 0iBH+AbJjiAcEImcehjKDDV1D0zzpI/0UIZDk2gC8ZfTNq0VQOdHHfA45JapdFGh86 hhYH0nS8Pjilw== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA5F7BC010D; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 21:57:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 16:57:27 -0500 References: <3b5e0f13-be2b-76ea-4c7c-80483a769225@threeboysfarm.com> To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com definitions=2020-06-06_20:2020-06-04, 2020-06-06 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2006060176 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tool of the day Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0097990766011508282== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-C8932249-B72E-4BB5-9FC1-0A72F310EA65 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like my progressive prescription Safety glasses most Of the time but resor= t to drug store readers some times.=20 A professional mechanic had trouble using bifocals of any type while working= under vehicles on a lift until he ordered a pair of glasses with the close v= ision at the top! Sounds like a great idea but it seems like it would take g= etting used to. I=E2=80=99ll stick to readers while under the car.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Mark Miller wrote= : =EF=BB=BF You mention reading glasses. I can't see well out of the partial lens readi= ng glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens. These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they hav= e a full range of strengths): Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Bla= ck Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B078YDPNDV/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVB= B And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr =20 Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord=09 Black, Blue, Red, Yellow 9137T4 5.10 --=20 Regards, Mark Miller 707-490-5834 markmiller@threeboysfarm.com > From: old dirtbeard >=20 >=20 > Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for > everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than you= r > body, etc. >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-C8932249-B72E-4BB5-9FC1-0A72F310EA65 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like my progressive prescription Safety g= lasses most Of the time but resort to drug store readers some times. 
A professional mechanic had trouble using bifocals of any t= ype while working under vehicles on a lift until he ordered a pair of glasse= s with the close vision at the top! Sounds like a great idea but it seems li= ke it would take getting used to. I=E2=80=99ll stick to readers while under t= he car. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Mark Miller <mar= kmiller@threeboysfarm.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF= =20 =20 =20

You mention reading glasses.  I can't see well out of the partia= l lens reading glasses and prefer ones that have correction over the entire lens.

These safety glasses readers are my favorite (these are +2 diopter; they have a full range of strengths):
Pyramex Emerge Full Reader Safety Glasses SB7910D20 (3 Pair) (+2.0 Lens, Black Frame/Clear Lens) by RB SUPPLY
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0= 78YDPNDV/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_Yo-2EbADEQVBB

And I hang them on a breakaway strap from McMaster Carr  


Cotton Fabric Fixed 24" Breakaway Cord
Black, <= /span>Blue, Re= d, Yellow
9137T4 5.10


-- 
Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

From: old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gm=
ail.com>


Another issue for me is vision now is wearing reading glasses for
everything up close. They are a real pain when your head is lower than your
body, etc.


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Sat, 6 Jun 2020 22:00:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 17:00:27 -0500 References: To: Jim Franklin definitions=2020-06-06_20:2020-06-04, 2020-06-06 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2006060177 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Frigidaire window AC fan short cycling Cc: shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Q291bGQgYmUgYWxtb3N0IGFueXRoaW5nLiBUaW1lIGZvciBzb21lIHRyb3VibGVzaG9vdGluZy4g SeKAmW0gcXVpdGUgd2lsbGluZyB0byBoZWxwLiAKCkJUVywgZGlkIHRoZSBtZXNzYWdlIEkgc2Vu dCBvdXQgb24gdGhpcyBzZXZlcmFsIGRheXMgYWdvIG1ha2UgaXQ/IEkgZG9u4oCZdCByZWNhbGwg c2VlaW5nIGl0LiAKClBlYWNlLApQYXQKClBhdCBIb3JuZSAKV2Ugc3VwcG9ydCBIYWJpdGF0IGZv ciBIdW1hbml0eQoKCk9uIEp1biA2LCAyMDIwLCBhdCAxOjQyIFBNLCBKaW0gRnJhbmtsaW4gPGph bWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5jaC5vcmc+IHdyb3RlOgoK77u/SW50cmVzdGluZ2x5IGl0IGN5Y2xlcyBl dmVuIHdoZW4gb24gIkZhbiIgbW9kZS4uLgoKPiBPbiBKdW4gNiwgMjAyMCwgYXQgMjozNSBQTSwg SmltIEZyYW5rbGluIDxqYW1lc2ZAZ3JvdXB3YmVuY2gub3JnPiB3cm90ZToKPiAKPiBJIGhhdmUg YSBmcmllbmQncyB1c2VkIHdpbmRvdyBBQy4gSXQgcnVucyBncmVhdCB1bnRpbCB0aGUgcm9vbSBp cyBjb29sLCB0aGVuIHRoZSBmYW4gc3RhcnRzIHRvIHNob3J0IGN5Y2xlLiBUaGUgY29tcHJlc3Nv ciBvcGVyYXRlcyBub3JtYWxseS4gQWxsIHRoZSBnb29nbGxpbmcgZ2l2ZXMgbWUgYW5zd2VycyBm b3IgYSBjeWNsaW5nIGNvbXByZXNzb3IuIAo+IAo+IElzIHRoZXJlIGEgdGhlcm1vc3RhdCBvciBv dmVyaGVhdCBzd2l0Y2ggdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBhZmZlY3QgdGhlIGZhbj8gU29tZXRpbWVzIGl0IHJ1 bnMgZm9yIDMgc2Vjb25kcywgc29tZXRpbWVzIDMwLCBzb21ldGltZXMgYSBmZXcgbWludXRlcy4g SSdkIGxpa2UgdGhlIGZhbiB0byBydW4gY29udGludW91c2x5IHNvIGl0IGEpIHdvcmtzIHRvIGNv b2wgdGhlIHdob2xlIGhvdXNlIGFuZCBiKSBkb2Vzbid0IGFubm95IHRoZSBeJiMlJCYlXiBvdXQg b2YgbWUuIEl0IGRvZXMgaGF2ZSBhbiBFY28gbW9kZSBidXQgSSdtIG5vdCBvbiB0aGF0LCBJJ20g b24gcmVndWxhciBjb29sLiAKPiAKPiBJIGRvbid0IHNlZSBhIG1vZGVsIG51bWJlciBidXQgSSdt IGd1ZXNzaW5nIGl0J3Mgcm91Z2hseSAxMCwwMDAgQlRVLCBtYXliZSBhIGJpdCBtb3JlLiAKPiAK PiB0aGFua3MsCj4gamltCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX18KPiAKPiBTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKPiBEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93 d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKPiBTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIu OTYKPiBBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0 cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKPiAKPiBVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6 Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL2phbWVzZkBncm91cHdi ZW5jaC5vcmcKPiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0 L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBo dHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0u bmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21h aWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9wLXRhbGsvcGF0aW50ZXhhc0BpY2xvdWQuY29tCgpfX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRl YW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQg YW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBl cm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmli ZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxr L21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 7 19:07:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8C8A246D for ; 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Jim - If you hook your multi-meter to the power leads for the fan, what do you see? It'll tell you if it is a problem internal to the fan, or if it is elsewhere. -Peter On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pat Horne wrote: > Could be almost anything. Time for some troubleshooting. I=E2=80=99m quit= e willing > to help. > > BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don= =E2=80=99t > recall seeing it. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFIntrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode... > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin wrote= : > > > > I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is cool, > then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally. All > the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor. > > > > Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? > Sometimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I= 'd > like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house a= nd > b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Eco mode but I'm > not on that, I'm on regular cool. > > > > I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 10,000 BTU, > maybe a bit more. > > > > thanks, > > jim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000ed254405a7883031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw the prior thread where Pat gave several suggestions.=

Jim - If you hook your multi-meter=C2=A0to the power le= ads for the fan, what do you see? It'll tell you if it is a problem=C2= =A0internal to the fan, or if it is elsewhere.

-Pe= ter

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
Could be almost anything. Time for= some troubleshooting. I=E2=80=99m quite willing to help.

BTW, did the message I sent out on this several days ago make it? I don=E2= =80=99t recall seeing it.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFIntrestingly it cycles even when on "Fan" mode...

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote: >
> I have a friend's used window AC. It runs great until the room is = cool, then the fan starts to short cycle. The compressor operates normally.= All the googlling gives me answers for a cycling compressor.
>
> Is there a thermostat or overheat switch that would affect the fan? So= metimes it runs for 3 seconds, sometimes 30, sometimes a few minutes. I'= ;d like the fan to run continuously so it a) works to cool the whole house = and b) doesn't annoy the ^&#%$&%^ out of me. It does have an Ec= o mode but I'm not on that, I'm on regular cool.
>
> I don't see a model number but I'm guessing it's roughly 1= 0,000 BTU, maybe a bit more.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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--000000000000ed254405a7883031-- --===============1770966134191033019== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1770966134191033019==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 8 22:58:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A032A14B0 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 22:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF52A22A9 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:50:08 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591105805; bh=mpWOTqMgnsWzQ4lqOD9a7Vm78oFylXtCgyoEZvRxa30=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=u91+4W53bRwY06nX8LtnqZNshQ1a/iTF4h9EE2Bqshu1DnMSR54D0H1LZ+MncDxV/ nsVncxx8rlncFO41fv6aJRnHqLp2o8+hsW+zn+BLqOobEGBxPt8FRyOaFUDH2XmZUe WBV+uLcujB+tQKnZlylCr3LXMBgNiqzrtgd/Qe5rq4VRQ6rOrTj9i/EYW2Za62r4R/ cgTPqprx75YiFuJpBkRSwKIEK/YKkPRKCGPwNqYuADTEw/3OvlioaCvn7JpRk9A2yZ hJ69yo2a0t7f10BTbhoji12WnEkoDWkPZazbut6xn0aws7YbU+bj8GcOLDUgzoRaeB EmmQmH5MBwEYQ== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0822A10041A; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:50:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:50:02 -0500 References: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> To: Eric Russell definitions=2020-06-02_13:2020-06-02, 2020-06-02 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2006020098 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6134772158935114427== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-3B475394-1DB0-4F68-ADDD-B1D4EE14FA88 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Tex= as. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.=20 Quite a good deal.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: =EF=BB=BF I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck= . I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping oversea= s, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to mo= ve it.=20 > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: > Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best= deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it *= I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some= ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to= box it in? What have you done? > Thanks > Neil --=20 Eric Russell Mebane, NC=20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-3B475394-1DB0-4F68-ADDD-B1D4EE14FA88 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmi= ssion shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crat= e & cost $125. 

Quite a good deal. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne&nbs= p;
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net&= gt; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20

I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it.

On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:

Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done?

Thanks

Neil

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Mebane, NC 
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= --Apple-Mail-3B475394-1DB0-4F68-ADDD-B1D4EE14FA88-- --===============6134772158935114427== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6134772158935114427==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 8 23:02:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1AAA14F3 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 23:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76DFA161C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:00:44 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1591106443; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=gl4TxtXwgsiBeW0C413kn+0l0Ns=; b=WSn55Q5wPxlndf8C6mEsYq4TcbLb2drQmQJCzg8RXWA/vMt2qP/kfkAJ+euwx1UA jigB/euanSV5s9AQHuKyH5sTo5aKeWi/FqJ8Ib50zpUSVLEzxtB0c8aN2zU2plGI a+6TqomaNLyaUes94hkrvCne+W3WjdFomHoSC8za/fzKqXxIVrM6AVkb8kGCX+Nw FHTGB6VquV0LFvMigVeP64ttvodvMojoiU/Xq1SPC5UI7tdub+gW8mQ/QRDgoy0c ej1BYdhCeC6eVEKoIZLz2JkFMOYHgoQ02I5gv2xybwGemvrsZPAMv8+TFWE+r9Dn bIjCUroYApvJR/FybKaDMg==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=utjPrUlem6-YDfYOgpUA:9 a=ec-qeQFWUCwwfDvL:21 a=BGPdFA1WGwo_Kj4n:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=v3ZZPjhaAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=ijkdb8cuoSrbzAXrCMUA:9 a=qPjL4ZcnbhBsQnCV:21 a=5H4WW4pT74pD6TnA:21 a=hXXU-s32u61hW9OY:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=jUh5O_F4v9cLRY0IntHQ:22 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp02.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:58298] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) id 59/98-25264-A8B56DE5; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 10:00:43 -0400 To: Pat Horne References: <41cefc83-d39e-4856-1944-bec865925943@mebtel.net> From: Eric Russell Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:00:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5592116265899162210== boundary="------------46013EDD4A29AB016A6D44BE" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------46013EDD4A29AB016A6D44BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though... EjR On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia > to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125. > On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal > truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For > shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier > for the shipper to move it. > > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: >> >> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * >> best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how >> to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, >> strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not >> fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done? >> >> Thanks >> >> Neil >> --------------46013EDD4A29AB016A6D44BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though...

EjR

On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
+1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.
On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:

I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it.

On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:

Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done?

Thanks

Neil

--------------46013EDD4A29AB016A6D44BE-- --===============5592116265899162210== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5592116265899162210==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 8 23:07:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAF9A14F9 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 23:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A909A24B5 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:04:38 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591106675; bh=NoAKzCytZgrBjKfvP+c1epfhPk9lDY8t05aEBxOuHQ8=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=J1G/CCRCcTukmzyg0bU0+NGa9tjztlFoBxZbft9z3tSnHtGsO0or/541MmOc7wzrD V24OlV5SIiSitiBi+RsYsnxYm+bEanaL62MxW9ftoD5/t3WApC0uCSq54p4/AH3Iht Q6U9hUxAyiNXG7p4RYqSqFGopAIMV+mNJG9pV9zI0zLu98PKOfXqZ9Ubg5ljEX4zz1 R7BhnslWGvhigPyPln7VeZ+2EcJCU5lLWsErRQAVyxbCZ5TEMoWF8bzq8IkO6eDcTh FaGdDYIt2Z5JHcqJO/T+yD6TEf+1HbHVpCVx7uHLNQ/EzYFq6YOSulyfWj7hVXiMvw lXelSc74A4Hfg== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FC5CBC012C; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:04:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:04:33 -0500 References: <7e6e7067-8ff7-2c7b-d683-f3892053de1f@mebtel.net> To: Eric Russell definitions=2020-06-02_13:2020-06-02, 2020-06-02 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2006020100 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shipping a gearbox Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3100005730810205038== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-80576442-1F20-4075-9B57-8B12A0CAC6DA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Picky, picky! Most folks don=E2=80=99t know about Fastenal so I try to get the word out.=20= Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Eric Russell wrote: =EF=BB=BF Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though..= .=20 EjR=20 > On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > +1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to T= exas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.=20 > On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal tru= ck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overs= eas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to m= ove it.=20 >=20 > On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote: >> Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * bes= t deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it *= I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some= ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to= box it in? What have you done? >> Thanks >> Neil --Apple-Mail-80576442-1F20-4075-9B57-8B12A0CAC6DA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Picky, picky!

Most folks= don=E2=80=99t know about Fastenal so I try to get the word out. 
=

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne&n= bsp;
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net&= gt; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =20 =20 =20

Fastenal probably doesn't have a truck going from the UK to Finland though...

EjR

On 6/2/2020 9:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote:
=
+1 for Fastenal. I had a 5 speed OD transmission shipped from Georgia to Texas. It weighed almost 200 lbs with the crate & cost $125.
On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel.net> wrote:

I shipped an MGA gearbox from North Carolina to Idaho using a Fastenal truck. I attached it to a pallet (used, available for free). For shipping overseas, I'd build a box over it. The pallet makes it easier for the shipper to move it.

On 6/2/2020 9:02 AM, Neil Sherry wrote:

Hi * I am selling an MGB overdrive gearbox to Finland (from the UK) * best deal I have found is with UPS Standard. Any suggestions on how to wrap it * I am thinking I could empty the oil, wrap in plastic, strap it down to some ** plywood * which would make it slide and not fall over * but do I need to box it in? What have you done?

Thanks

Neil

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= --Apple-Mail-80576442-1F20-4075-9B57-8B12A0CAC6DA-- --===============3100005730810205038== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3100005730810205038==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 8 23:12:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C74A1527 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2020 23:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0192FA0870 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id m81so3328836ioa.1 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 11:00:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Lq85b2sxTyh98+xHJGwUsCXqwr9MEXZLCAqlB/9UwfE=; b=Qs32nIR21YKX6W3wvLpSsDiNcmysXeEgpPSGr9IB99+86w2bDZz9icktqExrdhXg94 5JZgqfTtr1KfqC8syeT0TACPtGVEOon2iiZigArMu1GnNZcFvo/fMbEe9kcsWm3z0VuO mtDDTnlexaCzJCz952VixvBKi+j46kfvvZzXTJH4aBSxc7eRWwYjL+xzlJoREG1humac fAUzr6QEI9ron1/DYUE+pOxC9lFCMU0V1t0d7V179erYYiXKKx2qj8gm99gyPhOfw0Gp hjL2z9FlKk4E+77J2xuxLoEfCbqP6LqeRF7+ueNyXDFi/Fuu351cHPUyYksC6iSDWuPd QcxA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Lq85b2sxTyh98+xHJGwUsCXqwr9MEXZLCAqlB/9UwfE=; b=AVy8/OEdG+r3i34OU2uxIJPhonTkmCARtdeRiczr5o6b+yq4G9rKFXG7h6Tvw0DINW 35U7xBArsBN1elx8r7Sl3DTxcYB6b0JFNWCcWw2AAeHgzWxV4y8/th9wOrWbbaoSgDyx +GIygdva+Oz8zBVx39lgFVyzPnfNDH7kDJu1+DtPYNSp8Us/ULlG+p4ZP6qxy4oWAcyL yakNO3EjaxFrHyngvY5+TKEBLqK2u78iWLl0RiEiz94Gvp0yq5pf2AjcdTPqNgdtwZ9j fyz1w+DI5zRBf8srjafbEL1Bk+roCrZDhhxGbOcZfdAY2LV94nCrz0uKC1PgZXcIuA5K y2Ww== /bBo4n1YDlhuk/01+JTFL40iykOi/MclJop9oK45jgdX Wed, 03 Jun 2020 11:00:39 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 14:00:28 -0400 To: old dirtbeard Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop air line pressure Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" , David Scheidt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen people put a male quick connect on one side of a regulator and a female on the other side. Then they can put it on whatever drop they're using that they want to turn the pressure down at. So you could install one permanently if there is somewhere you know you'll always want it and have a portable one for other usage. -Paul On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:49 AM old dirtbeard wrote: > > I could see where this would be optimal, but that would be seven separate regulators for my garage. > > Best, > > des > (mobile) > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 09:04:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135CBA0CA6 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (unknown [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628C6A0CA5 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from panix5.panix.com (panix5.panix.com [166.84.1.5]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49hqz15cYXz1hQ9 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix5.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 17622) id 49hqz13sYqzfYm; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:04:45 -0400 From: stan To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Mail-Followup-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, while she was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead, no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and hope? ... -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 09:12:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBDFA0CC5 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBC8A0CA5 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.115]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id j2LYjhPmox1a2j2P8jSyU2; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:12:38 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1591801958; bh=V7y1v618GyTYesRBA2MBm4JvrGPDeGbxoUNos8ay5eI=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id:To; b=5l103bE0m8ijWDMdRXHae4Th4MM/9AW7Z+bpRfeSSfY78lpmfCNbOKT6avJ7UhUWY rwrwyk9W9AqoAV/lZkFr5dGjnd/uILopqMhlWlXQ3D1xv8rg/pep1avflrTUyPyGdh tr0RoJsXPcZnJLULA0VSIQ1CELl+9yKayxlVJlCTiDpsgs4ScM55qBlL4MdOPj8SFB xnjN5lxrAdyp1R1S1EgioEM70FwowD0cNd0p4kkXEhzFA3t8MmX+hlCFbN04NTOqRH BoSliqOTgt5zd7lwBi5zf/JAIK0JakzztB+2v5ihcIw1K1+qMEHwwu1wneO5Q/TxuU +H7VluzMW2o4Q== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:2873:281d:46c3:83e9] ([IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:2873:281d:46c3:83e9]) by resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id j2P5jkf81BFWvj2P7jW3AY; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:12:37 +0000 From: Bob Spidell Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:12:35 -0700 References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> To: stan Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1045772053210663845== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-687BE8D9-62D1-416E-A4D8-68F8BB4B026A charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think your best bet is a tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with Batter= yMinder). The BM claims it can resurrect some dead batteries with pulses to b= reak up sulfation; I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come b= ack to life leave the tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to t= op up the battery is bad for the engine. Bob > On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 AM, stan wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months,= while she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead= , > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did= > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. >=20 > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.=20 >=20 > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... >=20 > --=20 > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspide= ll@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-687BE8D9-62D1-416E-A4D8-68F8BB4B026A charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think your best bet is a= tender (I=E2=80=99ve had good results with BatteryMinder). The BM claims it= can resurrect some dead batteries with pulses to break up sulfation;= I=E2=80=99d say you have. 50-50 chance. If it does come back to life leave t= he tender on; starting a car and running at idle just to top up the battery i= s bad for the engine.

Bob

On Jun 10, 2020, at 8:05 A= M, stan <stanb@panix.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehi= cle at her house for several months, while she
was away on t= he west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
veh= icle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start<= br> the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagin= e this
did not get done. I went by the other day, and the b= attery is totally dead,
no lights, or gauges come one when t= he ignition switch is turned on. I did
not have a voltmeter= with me when I was there.

I would hate to= have to buy yet another new battery for this car.
<= br> What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this bat= tery/
Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just ho= ok up  charger, and
hope? ...
<= br>--
"They that would give up essential liberty for t= emporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."<= br>                   &nb= sp;    -- Benjamin Franklin
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= --Apple-Mail-687BE8D9-62D1-416E-A4D8-68F8BB4B026A-- --===============1045772053210663845== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1045772053210663845==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 09:33:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DEDA0CE0 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bisque.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (unknown [23.83.212.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2F0A0BE4 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73325361B73 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-137-10.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.137.10]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F23C6361942 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.8); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:33:21 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED1F7F619 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT) :to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=milleredp.com; bh=3AQ 3modt3wUsarsC209RRY/OvXo=; b=TnchSjSlsqroLIwUVC3KahVvwjXEsUrxWd5 0fmt0zldodsApyCS4yR2BoVolfjSYxBjg+nTgO0G7dbFn50Qnsw7SciT74uQptLn jekZgDzUgqv2CDxzU046/FkEsEKzqeYn3C6/Stb5kJzZ3wYuFogBdsV66tXXPI9M 6sjUuuRc= Received: from [10.1.2.175] (c-67-161-16-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.161.16.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jem@milleredp.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D1887EF79 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:33:19 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> From: John Miller Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:33:28 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7925213964660948559== --00000000000062e1db05a7bd07f1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely agree with Pat. It should have a date on it and will be warranted for X months after the purchase. She probably can just get a free battery in exchange if they cannot revive it at the store. best, doug On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:01 AM Pat Horne wrote: > The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few mont= hs. Take > it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test it. Replacement > should be in warranty. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months= , while > she > was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this > vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start > the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this > did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dea= d, > no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I di= d > not have a voltmeter with me when I was there. > > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000062e1db05a7bd07f1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I completely agree with Pat.=C2=A0

It s= hould have a date on it and will be warranted=C2=A0for X months after the p= urchase.=C2=A0

She probably can just get a free ba= ttery in exchange if they cannot revive it at the store.

best,

doug

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:0= 1 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@iclo= ud.com> wrote:
The battery shouldn=E2=80=99t have discharged completely after a few = months. Take it back to where it was bought & let them charge& test= it. Replacement should be in warranty.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, stan <stanb@panix.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF friend of mine left her vehicle at her house for several months, = while she
was away on the west coast. A new battery had been installed in this
vehicle about month before she left. She asked a family member to start
the car once a weak to keep the battery charged. As you can imagine this did not get done. I went by the other day, and the battery is totally dead,=
no lights, or gauges come one when the ignition switch is turned on. I did<= br> not have a voltmeter with me when I was there.

I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car.

What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/=
Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up=C2=A0 charger, a= nd
hope? ...

--
"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserv= e
neither liberty nor safety."
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--00000000000062e1db05a7bd07f1-- --===============7925213964660948559== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7925213964660948559==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 10:06:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D82A0D0B for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEE3A0CE1 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:06:54 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1591805214; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=D2iT7+IiOfQfseHBVk3wozKyV1Y=; b=JKZWsTQLGICGP+tC54Pwp55QpaFi4V7svuIIRvg65ZvDA6jGO86D0xSAESCL8usX ansFtsly94lWOimmcmbFrNNl4EidTqP6QSp5+DipSJsgJOayMtK5cyhyXyrpsuNV P/j4Qf4PmhktxS8YygOkuOrC9Ql9fKnBg5J4u68qI5wqPwRdAODGgbfFuvd+FZTG 72F6MFUUO+W6PI3FqaCaUcs0WsEDMEdYwJ1b4OSxUHyVKJBdgisbSwtF0WbL4KGq 3ltsIsTqSdDwD+sGN2XBCSBTvm5Df/JZkTcxNrChLLDx8K4CNCyshtHmJP1Qb/P/ aOdiN0dF5VoSwNR3uGk8/g==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=-vXyzPrNhJZm5q2eBLoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp01.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:59653] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) id 3D/DB-27141-E1501EE5; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:06:54 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> From: Eric Russell Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:06:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Does the battery have a warantee? If it will not hold a charge you might be able to get it replaced. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 6/10/2020 11:04 AM, stan wrote: > I would hate to have to buy yet another new battery for this car. > > What is the list's collective wisdom relative to rescuing this battery/ > Should I put a battery tender on it/ Should I just hook up charger, and > hope? ... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 11:01:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB5A0D14 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6919DA0C1A for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:00:55 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591808452; bh=k2pen2MckTnsKloL5CLzXiUlV2L9mra2BPxKFuhdKYU=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=LpTaMEjyW+caoga7K0+bECICm8tmfBQVb6C6BdjjFomMnSoTvxqkOBDkedN5uomWH RLXlqfIBN1SWyCVRkqdJKeOa6y7IHq/OOsHbrhb3H9TidQ9dLn8LqGRFY2f4VKI85D fBe4vzShxA/B5kA3x5mLDychFFTUbuXoQc1d090E7QBNtn0U9iuqaQkafenY0ARf85 iBQdP2GYH5f+ER1Db4YG5BWpzjjuaq0kgVQzdP6ZohpnDZmypZSxxC7X3ncGbAxQRY z8dt94yywaXBQZqQjIECWWrkYDb60X5KEfekQolGiO3E4B+Qt8BHrpM5MRBZAC1bcz gRedule1rI2RQ== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B4F1AC0221; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:00:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:00:50 -0500 References: <1729ef9c6c8.27d2.93404ec37c3bd49215a26b1de215359b@milleredp.com> To: John Miller definitions=2020-06-10_10:2020-06-10, 2020-06-10 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006100130 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? 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Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69F9A0D36 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:15:08 -0600 (MDT) References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:15:08 -0400 06/10/2020 01:15:08 PM, Serialize complete at 06/10/2020 01:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurrecting a totally dead battery ? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0452549399750847990== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005EC55285258583_= Ok, two things to try here, this is the FIRST and LAST options (different batteries tenders are all the steps in between.) FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a warrantee. Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how to) test the battery and just give you a new one. LAST thing to try, before buying a new battery. WARNING- if you are a eco-warrior, you may want to skip this! I know the thought of this may be re*volt*ing! 8>) If the battery is not a sealed battery, dump all the battery acid out of the core. Refill with normal water and rise it out a couple of times. Note, recover ALL the water as it is hazardous. Once cleaned out, fill with battery acid and put on charger. There is about a 50% chance of this restoring even a sulfated battery this way. Dispose of the waste water properly. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005EC55285258583_= Ok, two things to try here, this is the FIRST and LAST options (different batteries tenders are all the steps in between.)

FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a warrantee.  Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how to) test the battery and just give you a new one.

LAST thing to try, before buying a new battery.  WARNING-  if you are a eco-warrior, you may want to skip this! I know the thought of this may be re*volt*ing!  8>)

If the battery is not a sealed battery, dump all the battery acid out of the core.  Refill with normal water and rise it out a couple of times.  Note, recover ALL the water as it is hazardous.

Once cleaned out, fill with battery acid and put on charger.  There is about a 50% chance of this restoring even a sulfated battery this way.  Dispose of the waste water properly.






"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 005EC55285258583_=-- --===============0452549399750847990== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0452549399750847990==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 11:37:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19578A0D72 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from fossa.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (unknown [23.83.209.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC995A0CEB for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474E3921400 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-2-93.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.2.93]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D0C17921EE1 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.8); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:37:01 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD6A7FF8A for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:37:00 -0700 (PDT) :to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=milleredp.com; bh=1Z1 +UcuAKZ5kAyVihGtlX5hw5oM=; b=E+qngl2Kh+F9Nro/7xAZo1agvtKk9vvaZh9 of67YNsNHcihPT7NUahcpxsSHEQBXMbo1jgT3xqxpDOyL1rong9qVWgNT94EjwLr 81vHd7f4mXc+gOpAb5hBpXYAbM96HEvxjPsjHDpnYhC0gw9iP0+TcAPdbdTGEi0G e9dyy/zs= Received: from [10.1.2.175] (c-67-161-16-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.161.16.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jem@milleredp.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7414F7F659 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:36:59 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> From: John Miller Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:37:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurrecting a totally dead battery ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > FIRST- bring it back to where you bought it, most likely there is a = > warrantee. =A0Most places (like Walmart and such) don't care (or know how = > to) test the battery and just give you a new one. One thing I've learned over the years - buy a battery from some place = convenient. My nearest Wally is twenty miles away, and the returns desk/line is = often absurd. I'll happily pay $10 more to deal with the Autozone = three miles away, we also have a Costco even closer but they're limited = in sizes. I don't EVER buy anything from Walmart that might have to go back. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 08:37:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B721FA0346 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1277BA08E6 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB2D1C019C for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:32:16 -0600 (MDT) To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Mark J Bradakis Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:32:11 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B3558D2AC84B8FDC32DD75B0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.  We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. 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smtp-out-3.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2FCA03AD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NeilHP ([89.242.146.255]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id jOc4j7HiJi4jQjOc4jDi8z; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:55:28 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1591887328; bh=YWVJN2A53XgCUqIG+O5NkEg16bofjvoUVHN70UpH+W4=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=YddSkrEjZZX4ZyAtDfGbZ/NZz+aZ1h8CR77w6fPiPdLQ0GoCkgKyhnx4Bbl6Kw5P3 riDbbV+T6gWQcGnUx3IOtncT6QAyjinZSi4ZWHn0vU6A9TtbakKXMha8aOFOYe0gsR aFhJCYCGJpxDTtiBZioSy1y3UhAoIC4A5T3KeZ7s= a=kwzdOlO7yPUboy7hovq1Bw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=0YEnfGkHDGr4No0NEbcA:9 a=WX6etNiXlKGVa7-b:21 a=LG8jk_Bdl3pa__FE:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 From: "Neil Sherry" To: References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:55:24 +0100 Thread-Index: AQHofxImHUhsVpl8UJRQCiT1BAJ+haivAbEA Content-Language: en-gb /PpmQRA5dTnrjfQXlW9Ks0InatsXbEIsFfrAeg3hFu0UebMcGyBKSZ9ZG67EbSd1R0QvuAXSlLVKzw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Depends how long term it is - if there's a chance it won't be there long, you could just scrape back and drop it in. What I have done with sectional wooden sheds is to put down some concrete paving slabs (normally 2 foot squares) just laid on sand, to give a decent base that is quick to do and easy to move or get rid of as needs change. I know it might sink, but it's been good enough. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: 11 June 2020 15:32 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption. We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 09:12:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A66BA0C80 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96910A07FE for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:55:54 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1591887351; bh=u7nIuOmKEOjsZpVcnfnDt74twuh/JtlBQrDaFDWks1M=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=TobbA+F0kA26rPi5Ab6FxQ8dbEujbl1Xis3SGbcDxzbKxMoCY3tcitRsMJhvUPFN/ PJKkzpG2Vff5oLbaHgNuy8scBP8Bko7yZW+9M/jlHOc2gpdH6DRTXFwl7hlk44rL8f LHTta1TWQKPSrBGBMjAxTbfdsDS59aiwcPa0iuFg8gg7GuI/L/N0SUcVFdN0W5sYve gYpfReylJgYW8Mwj4wBKlxmsd9y+n5rQDFXZrxrwZWYzbP25ySdsB7i6KP1MJQ3mh3 vHNiUIaGAq+pdHIkUs/CmVpMlSm6rjbOx05IlJcK6ME++LdkTl67j1Gso1Y0z1yxmS B/4QFQb7SKXUg== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A188BC0455; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:55:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:55:49 -0500 References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> To: Mark J Bradakis definitions=2020-06-11_15:2020-06-11, 2020-06-11 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006110119 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1415102446069355010== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00536EC385258584_= I've installed and moved these types of sheds. in fact, i have one on my gun range to hold targets. As long as the ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or it will not go together correctly. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 00536EC385258584_= I've installed and moved these types of sheds.  in fact, i have one on my gun range to hold targets.

As long as the ground is level, it's fine, but it must be pretty level or it will not go together correctly.


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--=_alternative 00536EC385258584_=-- --===============1415102446069355010== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1415102446069355010==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 09:54:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B357A0CA3 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC282A09CB for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEC51C01EF for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:27:30 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> From: Mark J Bradakis Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:27:25 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SSBoYWQgZWFybGllciB0aG91Z2h0IG9mIEEvQyBjb25kZW5zZXIgcGFkcyBhcyBhIG1vdW50aW5n IGJhc2UsIGJ1dCBJIAp0aGluayB0aGUgYmFzaWMgY29uY3JldGUgcGF2ZXJzIHNxdWFyZXMgd2ls bCBiZSBmaW5lLiBQb3VyaW5nIGEgc2xhYiBpcyAKdmVyZ2luZyBvbiBvdmVya2lsbCwgaWYgSSB3 YW50IHRvIG1vdmUgdGhlIHNoZWQgYSBmZXcgeWVhcnMgZG93biB0aGUgCmxpbmUsIHRoZSBzbGFi IHdvdWxkIG5vdCBiZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgeW91IGNvdWxkIGp1c3QgcGljayB1cCBhbmQgbW92ZSAK d2l0aCBpdC7CoCBJIG1heSBqdXN0IGdvIHdpdGggYSBjb3VwbGUgb2YgYnVja2V0cyBvZiBwZWEg Z3JhdmVsIHNwcmVhZCAKb3V0IGFuZCBsZXZlbGVkLgoKbWpiLgoKcHM6IEknbSBnbGFkIEkgYW0g Z2V0dGluZyByZXNwb25zZXMsIHRoZSBuZXR3b3JrIGlzIHdvcmtpbmcgdGh1cyBmYXIsIApoYXBw eSBhYm91dCB0aGF0LgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0u bmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45NgpBcmNoaXZl OiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRl YW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9wLXRhbGsvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKCg== From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 10:23:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14FA0CEB for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D2AA0C6F for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.110]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jPBBjio3Mx1a2jPO1jVyN4; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:45:01 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1591890301; bh=ghVGZwnY+mkxe1sO6O3yJr/WELZi2tbkoqTGrep8fGU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=MlZsRl/2Dh9Dm6Sfs2CvHUeIlky1w8vcI/VRt6A1LwZ4G2L8+xks2UVZfH0F95fRP 40kfBbn1xh/I+K1aSs7JG3YuNUuzvinqFjZVCiJnVQ9k6WYEZjOqRHi0LvHt2qmnbG /fl1smt7MYu8jDCidb1H/8cHqk+NB2eo5xrMETEstNlVrQWXBQwCol6YwozJ81XNyG Z4UmMzeEpznxOUkIlQtQlFQ+kcrJyQ/y2FQJhdxaQ+mkZwnSAD8s5GZNcY6a7Kp8Pe QxkkBGAYlHiSWpPSE1mK3ueTu268R639Q4juK2+clVO+xSboleAtLftHelh52rX1Yi 2huam6CSIwmWg== Received: from [IPv6:2601:198:200:58d0:a092:446a:1c89:dfbc] ([IPv6:2601:198:200:58d0:a092:446a:1c89:dfbc]) by resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id jPO0jkNtH95bkjPO1jPRG6; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:45:01 +0000 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:44:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0483958919051549692== boundary="------------619C334B7C4234AD39721180" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------619C334B7C4234AD39721180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Buy a big bag of portland cement. After leveling the dirt, water it them mix the bag of cement to about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now made soil cement. On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service > disruption.  We shall see. > > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough > to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the > garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need > the room to actually get some work done on my cars. > > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab > as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the > dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and > have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a > foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed! > > mjb. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net > --------------619C334B7C4234AD39721180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Buy a big bag of portland cement.  After leveling the dirt, water it them mix the bag of cement to about 4 inches.  Tamp it down.  You have now made soil cement.

On 6/11/2020 10:32 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?  That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.



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--------------619C334B7C4234AD39721180-- --===============0483958919051549692== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0483958919051549692==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 10:42:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A35DA0D1F for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic315-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (unknown [74.6.134.123]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391B6A0CA9 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:54:43 -0600 (MDT) t=1591890883; bh=uBqyI1JHdEEOEh/ebL6ZZn0KP9kiCf4/B/lI6AcqW/A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Eo5RgkV/wGByh7tnu84uWvlhGw2y7SBb49N4Avuw7SdGa0JfK/IBze9YUEVuvdYiAiZuGLtoaxz0hSgrBRoI0rDlNrK3xxFtKVWGUkqq7GBt9Rlof14nNzNAP1ZTncCh9KUKpaWIERN7o/Dw6gu2nz8xU49hU97/7/eMp9i1P5SaQ5Ms9I5M13EysiDmwJo08wjzW4/nZ5/JhXhThfjpxkkqKDxARQiqixqp6M/6Eo79kNClrKdYJugaRA1VnCKiZ/7vUChGDkJxy9+p/fI2fh4uFrjd7o9rjBkBF1iHHd9KTQKbm/0GdVoCaB7HjBFDt5k+siCgBeajWYOFntTgRg== BqLDyDHDdPB7HWWQU1JF2mqaARoETQ4EIPqI12pApd.2NCdfGNn_9a0z.KN8aV7PPEzQE6PxAlDM wGSTI76TgzHZPXXkjnKmdfyxl63YTusTvp3tS0xlVdVPli02FX6uu7yyLVJo3BANWjjJdxKE2F6U eih97pZv7JEoUsh2Zx0cLFgQeY2Cw2beQ14m0IWU3mmrpyNSOfsMSJPFjEbs0IF8PX8uPe.BKIIf xyMJPy1M9Krp7kGUgQOP4BujGXtUZO01qekZr.3iwDqIu7UltlfotHsFXlfmJ92KkFmmteWiEeSh FYZIkRC2f_LWNdNfAhY1fg_FDnJGf5DSguHYzRYHF71rrulE9JQJW07_0zVX1yWF9RfPquWgwu.Z modTsbc2ke2kItirZLLOk4wQOX_edmJ2I6e.OiqTAN5fPfrP8Kyisp3U5nWvUhl7X9DK0_DDyXWf RePLW_ekFqHv_w9Dv0IMFP2ZkBzcc6i0sAQqOUF.v6nmyQD3G4m2cNItsBg7oxKQKDugtrepdJtb OQBi9CWY9IQJLjLPv.5fq2yAHUAOd90FpEHMok.8Q8xrls7ZluhvXqgFIkOQm1UvtiKJADdQsjaT PiUDgeievGJS2UYSPuchn0vrfoxsbbJC2ltlfQSCwD3SLseKqvrKpy8qaeeyXK9Yn9.aNGR2pdxM .6zWKRGEeXmLgiPqxdVQuhdktWB.pwPal.7Y22EfJjWK1pGpRnPpCaCKjsLHAvTLMA8pNdMxrHQy Xsz9QbVROF2gLZUzCASarayYC8J87uin3vvMjBr0LphU9WRPW77PqeuZE3CkRsEYZNVRufDKIk_R 925MYHUCSa4g5jMK39aekMynxEdRt2PdCkZ8q3uBrIgXFsnWp451r.sdouipnGEorEZJK2KLKsOK jMgK7KQIqZyobguz0P9vh0bl_Q8aEhC9.jbPlqqX7RFKhe4fk6TfxDfdHN5m4S7mciJ_2CH0g4qZ FL4O3VvLGuYrFAGe8Zpw75bEDfrHg7YzvmIS8xW7kAzR3AiS_Wj0rq.8IOdSiUtZdnMMcjklb5TX tZlz2uc5vkp92ZZuX4Az8ZUcpgndZdySeeKLy1dn3jHZ0AJ663JJ7uSE7KH9JjOdnSZVM2LuDa6k _d.MJkgf53QdaLn0Li37sLBzUlTtCTUjdtsbOQ0yUOvdql6wOT3re1OlNezx2h4emmbQmyDTV6wK XL2OPW8R14CuPmO7ZH6AUA3qnUyPyUE7WIhLqY_6oUvUbKF_Ohz5779hlswl2Xn6.kCK8x8AKefb _hsY5uMpPMCFogoLpPIMmeQY6d7hf9SWuXWbF_x5plMs- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:54:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:54:40 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "mark@bradakis.com" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> x64; rv:77.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/77.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5065031554161947762== boundary="----=_Part_1966647_1091753985.1591890880935" ------=_Part_1966647_1091753985.1591890880935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim= it up to get the doors to work.=C2=A0 These are light, durable and inexpen= sive but not very sturdy.=C2=A0 You can probably get by with scraping the d= irt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may = have to tug the get the doors open and closed. Still might be less work than pouring a slab. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,=20 switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the= =20 moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service=20 disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see. Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20 planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to=20 hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden=20 stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to=20 actually get some work done on my cars. It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic slab a= s=20 the floor.=C2=A0 What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt= =20 that is fairly level and call it good?=C2=A0 Or go all the way and have a= =20 small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?=C2=A0= =20 That will likely cost more than the shed! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1966647_1091753985.1591890880935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
We in stalled one of those on a concrete sidewalk and we still had to shim it up to get the doors to work.  These are light, durable and inexpensive but not very sturdy.  You can probably get by with scraping the dirt flat but over the years and a few rainstorms dirt can flow and you may have to tug the get the doors open and closed.

Still might be less work than pouring a slab.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the
moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service
disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to
actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a plastic slab as
the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt
that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the way and have a
small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? 
That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.


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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive


------=_Part_1966647_1091753985.1591890880935-- --===============5065031554161947762== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5065031554161947762==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 11:00:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7A1A0E4E for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F5AA0CAD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-il1-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so5867985ilg.12 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:58:36 -0700 (PDT) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=p2U0xbeSE49mIGW4wYoYKd3DIif3mof37OzoJBxrWBs=; b=amfVEj9uffU0hU+B6flyD0/eMqfstLpSN4GwK4zL174pSfCHPg4dm5IJsWdMzxDLHb lCqiSOZlrsjXRqfJdxSJx8JW2lHy07drfSMct901Gi4CJdy7IJ15zzkbwAHYuiuqlzi2 qrM04unPuxC+OLgHiOlAMDuifuNG4tWzq7Df8= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p2U0xbeSE49mIGW4wYoYKd3DIif3mof37OzoJBxrWBs=; b=JQEOudKyU8AtqgW/ZkU48z2UxeUIF/ENK0PnkXsE9yFkexd/B/om+2JCcST2evsMcs vVPmfjYvzvg7aeP79rywQpEkRTnESVUyCbv34KPXPxuuEPBgBDnHjxGVEUUZezMsYi1t j7Z6OdSmo/CIPP09HU9GXgIKIuU0awSgUeBjmnUmSpGZyw9rbi/EBNvtkV5/S+9uhH7t wYb5FBqNMyAnaeOZ8A+vSLEJMt6Bigpe/Z9CwHOhFkcXMfJ2sA2ajIyX9sGOPuKKW9e6 GKMfU+VGF9ee3K6Eyw6LRaf4S0IZ4QUVe/ojX8HGn2bYqNoUu1vyFi00XwtP48RM2sEv FsXw== XBjXhJMFK3AQpoC/2mzOUvFv/7RMc44ZvZjfUS2aPbHx Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> From: Doug Braun Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:58:24 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5290731982214193706== --0000000000007cd6e005a7d108f5 Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber. It was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level. It has worked out fine. (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling.) Doug On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service > disruption. We shall see. > > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough to > hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden > stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to > actually get some work done on my cars. > > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab as > the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt > that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a > small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? > That will likely cost more than the shed! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > > --0000000000007cd6e005a7d108f5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I ma= de a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.=C2=A0 It was sun= k partly into the ground on one side to make it level.=C2=A0 It has worked = out fine.=C2=A0 (I should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling= .)

Doug

On Thu, Jun 11, 2= 020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark= @bradakis.com> wrote:
First = off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,
switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.=C2=A0 At the=
moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service
disruption.=C2=A0 We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough t= o
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the garden stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room to actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2=A0 It comes with a plastic sl= ab as
the floor.=C2=A0 What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt <= br> that is fairly level and call it good?=C2=A0 Or go all the way and have a <= br> small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation?=C2=A0=
That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.


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Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable bas= e.  Pea gravel will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask me how I= know.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

I had earlier thought of A/C condenser pads as a mounting = base, but I
think the basic concrete pavers squares will= be fine. Pouring a slab is
verging on overkill, if I wa= nt to move the shed a few years down the
line, the slab = would not be something you could just pick up and move
w= ith it.  I may just go with a couple of buckets of pea gravel spread <= br clear=3D"none">out and leveled.

mjb= .

ps: I'm glad I am getting responses,= the network is working thus far,
happy about that.



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------=_Part_1969184_490807150.1591891253900-- --===============8164821634645730500== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8164821634645730500==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 11:28:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CBAA0E90 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3104A0CCA for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id n11so6042090qkn.8 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BFEAWZz8S8Z5ARigI+R7of8kPGxxfsH0F0ovfZl9/A4=; b=dozA7LratbpOxvNWruW07gHyGLkFwzWIS/7cPocBenpq6n3o4mqWW/NaS+DdEtnJTA 3VNViBD9AekkekXcjWtmslLVxmqBaBpjetCA+42cBziWeNsVNb3rSWLX2O8yW9s0aDig XVeqMV8462I5VMakyQiXwmzLqnsYKBzmp5RWIIyz+UmgPoMN49Zni9KIVitlE3JHF4yg rmfQjtaMlRXwJkFjfUk8cF1VMNPjG2OT+mixqpvo8Y0fhEeKsx/3pXpvKRx/2onU4huR 8rJaIZ/B+MZ/jQGqvnsdGNFs8wa4DJncF0MrW4et5SLC8/yXri/iJNrcjm8qZRmNLo12 MyhA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BFEAWZz8S8Z5ARigI+R7of8kPGxxfsH0F0ovfZl9/A4=; b=MkfbO849HnmG6Fn1kYmkYrzJr51kfFrvqVoBqgqFDfYwoVuhW9HGolf4tuHKTdYaJt P54fbImKhyLYVoVuHJiJffrLCY5PPGVtH/L2VnRqpMI/HhQWZlrSAVwwg4S/F4UZiRgZ x3AxI189eEfchUkfDKwTRSgbK1Bws1m3Y+Xa+4Gqu3opsNWyh5U9fVHw4QreS8nIki77 n01cCJjyZ3frfgPJgyuZYhpuczMA7XcWpSkrQ4MpkKi8CqfbHrP4twavuRPhiuL0xiFB 2G1aR+3/ll7oUJqytA0AlMNLW6VjKGEbfIZtcUrtSgfuqix3pH6qsvQs7abjjliLcZ3m 0iug== bFBff3z162qJLpjXDY3k/Q680afxHGlXzAfrRrnXmQ== d8mr9224211qkj.110.1591891390670; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Mark Meany Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:02:59 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Shed Foundation Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2141529244465818957== --000000000000dcba2a05a7d11836 I bought a 12 by 20 Rhino shelter and this is what I did (maybe Overkill as well). Made a frame out of pressure treated 4 x 4 with 2 by 4s, 24-inch on center. Attached everything with timberlok screws. Filled it in with 3/4 inch stone and bought a 8 inch square tamper to tamp the stone down to be level with the frame. Did this tamping effort several times adding Stone where required. Then I stapled thick plastic sheeting over the whole shebang. Three-quarter inch exterior plywood was then screwed into the pressure-treated frame. It's pretty bomb-proof. I did my best to level the terrain prior to construction of the foundation. --000000000000dcba2a05a7d11836 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a 12 by 20 Rhino shelter and this is what I did = (maybe Overkill as well).
=C2=A0Made a frame out of pressu= re treated 4 x 4 with 2 by 4s, 24-inch on center.=C2=A0
Attached everything with timberlok screws.
=C2= =A0Filled it in with 3/4 inch stone and bought a 8 inch square tamper to ta= mp the stone down to be level with the frame. Did this tamping effort sever= al times adding Stone where required.=C2=A0
Then I s= tapled thick plastic sheeting over the whole shebang.=C2=A0
Three-quarter inch exterior plywood was then screwed into the pre= ssure-treated frame. It's pretty bomb-proof.=C2=A0
I did my best to level the terrain prior to construction of the foundati= on.
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Blair" iMn/FcWdXOBUxRHaO05rIY8rRtAycFfW50UEajl6c9BB3cnc3Y/9ECkvdVCrkxETsoXY5Ja8gaifjBiUXqCD8R21fz1VUmzp5tM= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4858910812336742636== boundary="=====================_12937974==.ALT" --=====================_12937974==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:32 AM 6/11/2020, you wrote: >Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning >getting a plastic garden shed..... >It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2 It comes with a plastic slab a= s the >floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level >and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab >professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed! Mark, As to the concrete slab, I don't know what the regulations are where you live. Here in Virginia Beach, there are a couple of regulations that apply. 1. If you put down a slab, it's considered a permanent structure. Consiquently, you will need a building permit. 2. If you get a permit, you will have to worry about: a. how far it is from your property lines b. what percentage of you "green" area is covered. This can be a sh= ow stopper, especially if you have a pool, and or a deck. 3. As someone pointed out, does it get standing water & very soggy where yo= u plan on putting the shed? When I erected my vinyl shed, I put it in the back corner of my yard. Unfortunately, we'd get standing water there. So I used some garden timbers and made an enclosure slightly larger than the base of my shed. Then I filled it with crush-n-run (gravel) and topped it off with dirt and a vapor barrier. Then I used solid cynder block for the floor. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_12937974==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:32 AM 6/11/2020, you wrote:

>Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am planning
>getting a plastic garden shed.....

>It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.=C2  It comes with a plastic= slab as the
>floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt that is fairly level
>and call it good? Or go all the way and have a small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab
>professionally poured as a foundation? That will likely cost more than the shed!

Mark,

As to the concrete slab, I don't know what the regulations are where you live.  Here in Virginia Beach, there are a couple of regulations that apply.

1.  If you put down a slab, it's considered a permanent structure.  Consiquently,
you will need a building permit. 

2. If you get a permit, you will have to worry about:
      a. how far it is from your property lines
      b. what percentage of you "green" area is covered.  This can be a show
          stopper, especially if you have a pool, and or a deck.

3. As someone pointed out, does it get standing water & very soggy where you
    plan on putting the shed?

When I erected my vinyl shed, I put it in the back corner of my yard. 
Unfortunately, we'd get standing water there.  So I used some garden timbers and
made an enclosure slightly larger than the base of my shed.  Then I filled it with
crush-n-run (gravel) and topped it off with dirt and a vapor barrier.  Then I used
solid cynder block for the floor.

John




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I had a motherboard die in a windows= 7 machine.=C2=A0 It was using Windows live mail=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 h= ard drive survived.=C2=A0 I replaced it with a windows 10 machine which use= s windows 10 mail.

 

I know the standard way is to export/import my folders and messag= es, but I can=E2=80=99t do that with no windows 7 machine any longer.=C2=A0= The folders and files are saved from the hard drive to a flash drive and I= can see them as .eml files.=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, I can find no way to make Win= dows mail import or accept them.=C2=A0 Everything I want is in a mail folde= r named saved=E2=80=A6 and I have a folder in windows 10 mail with the same= name but I can=E2=80=99t get to it with the messages..

 

Any suggestions.. I guess I = could somehow attach each message and email it to myself at windows 10 mach= ine but there are over a hundred of them and that doesn=E2=80=99t appeal to= me really=E2=80=A6

 

john

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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[24.185.80.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m53sm2984770qtb.64.2020.06.11.10.59.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:59:29 -0400 To: Shop Talk References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6198270092623781915== boundary="Apple-Mail=_F364C3B5-FCA4-4E75-9E7A-D37F0D4050B8" --Apple-Mail=_F364C3B5-FCA4-4E75-9E7A-D37F0D4050B8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 front. I = have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I =E2=80=98temporarily=E2= =80=99 put up a few years ago. Since it was only temporary, I got lazy = and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the surface. Instead, I took two = 3/4=E2=80=9D 4X8 sheets of pressure treated plywood and screwed them = onto a couple of p/t 2x4=E2=80=99s to form a base. I shimmed the whole = thing until it was sort of level and then built the shed on top of that. = The doors have never opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse = over time as the makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it. =20= I agree that a poured foundation is probably overkill, but it would = definitely be worth spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a = compacted, FLAT, LEVEL surface. =20 Jim > On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun wrote: >=20 > Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I made a pad of = gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber. It was sunk partly into = the ground on one side to make it level. It has worked out fine. (I = should have used a bit more gravel to allow for settling.) >=20 > Doug >=20 > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis First off. I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider,=20 > switch out my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit. At the=20= > moment I *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service=20 > disruption. We shall see. >=20 > Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the way I am=20= > planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one big enough = to=20 > hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all the = garden=20 > stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need the room = to=20 > actually get some work done on my cars. >=20 > It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep. It comes with a plastic slab = as=20 > the floor. What do you think, can I just scrape a space in the dirt=20= > that is fairly level and call it good? Or go all the way and have a=20= > small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a foundation? =20= > That will likely cost more than the shed! >=20 > mjb. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_F364C3B5-FCA4-4E75-9E7A-D37F0D4050B8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll jump in on the =E2=80=98what not to do=E2=80=99 = front.  I have a 7=E2=80=99 x7=E2=80=99 Rubbermaid shed that I = =E2=80=98temporarily=E2=80=99 put up a few years ago.  Since it was = only temporary, I got lazy and didn=E2=80=99t properly level the = surface.  Instead, I took two 3/4=E2=80=9D 4X8 sheets of pressure = treated plywood and screwed them onto a couple of p/t 2x4=E2=80=99s to = form a base.  I shimmed the whole thing until it was sort of level = and then built the shed on top of that.  The doors have never = opened and closed properly and it has gotten worse over time as the = makeshift foundation conforms to the ground below it.  

I agree that a poured = foundation is probably overkill, but it would definitely be worth = spending the time to make sure the shed sits on a compacted, FLAT, LEVEL = surface.  

Jim

On Jun 11, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.com> = wrote:

Several years ago I got an 8x8' wooden shed, and I = made a pad of gravel within a wooden frame of 6x6 PT lumber.  It = was sunk partly into the ground on one side to make it level.  It = has worked out fine.  (I should have used a bit more gravel to = allow for settling.)

Doug

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis = <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
First off. = I'll inform you that I had Comcast, my service provider, 
switch out = my old cable modem for a faster, wifi enabled unit.  At the 
moment I = *think* Team Net is still working as usual, no service 
disruption.  We shall see.

Okay, now that the man behind the curtain stuff is out of the = way I am 
planning getting a plastic garden shed. I'm looking at one = big enough to 
hold the lawnmover, weed whackers, rakes, etc. Basically all = the garden 
stuff that is taking up valuable space in the garage. I need = the room to 
actually get some work done on my cars.

It's only 7 feet wide and 4 feet deep.  It comes with a = plastic slab as 
the floor.  What do you think, can I just scrape a space = in the dirt 
that is fairly level and call it good?  Or go all the = way and have a 
small, say 8 x 5 concrete slab professionally poured as a = foundation?  
That will likely cost more than the shed!

mjb.


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= --Apple-Mail=_F364C3B5-FCA4-4E75-9E7A-D37F0D4050B8-- --===============6198270092623781915== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6198270092623781915==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 17:01:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65211A0C1B for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 17:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D50FA0C99 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id r2so7500902ioo.4 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:38:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7zytHeQnJeBnzCzAcvi+Nwfb++Y3CWjotGTDN+4I3io=; b=AvnejUYWXSfdzT+MRdxngqSVYzDDyQuvMHen5j623IuD9gBCf0dm6JhWbJtMVidK4+ IPemkxwWTYSPD75Vktf/+Hj9S7JKqS0gfc3FCVs/yl8JMSBTJLsSnwLgeV9CIrajE/As gaHGe4YwWfY32LV4ldZBkJKGcwScQSWQYY83ww1hsAgcjnQDptKnT5TedP0IHlKfV78/ u4RZwvRLt+4Cfg7CdumHAko+CFPE9qFGSoqkuhSOZJ2LUVEw8QhhChFqGBoxpEjzMSO7 oqjQZqMrldlfBbK1NgpQ1MlH7AU08iZFB92V/8B++/xmUyZ/F+P+ATc0tLv9fcQD88bV /Lfg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7zytHeQnJeBnzCzAcvi+Nwfb++Y3CWjotGTDN+4I3io=; b=D5tk4UKQZyhxDq6sz8tQzYvq0AGgycT6hd67NA04e3jBagyADt5M+VXXFx4mAZQAsP joBmnVXzYQ69yLUWeBdZsioDyqmP9CM8zCVxY9DDSHS1jfybEU70nMpUFjW96z4nXlWD K6D4t1E7u4IqgPf3pn0eduIbwBomAu+0QcSZT2G9TRBN4d+m/m2F4Wo36NlEd4DICP+U dCLZPAyhoAzHDN/EQw5ZjQgsfLW7sbnfl7dM1N9IYyXB3cVmDb22ANa/zU+xDtYo5MZL RhKdx8B8b0+jsqU4kf0sSVYYT4Ja5hjIeRibpT+D68TPGjkHGaWW1U+QaD5llhIbXzbr sMPw== grOQOhn2AsOc0HMOi2G5BxZ/GAjv8X3mHZVlXfbw3sBn Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:38:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:38:01 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd recommend crushed concrete. Way, way cheaper than a lot of other options and it locks together really well and sheds water. I've used it to pave a large parking pad for trailers and other equipment and I was really happy with it. It would be perfect for a shed base. I just purchased a building (my new shop!) with a 12x48 lean-to and I'm planning to grade underneath the lean-to and pave that and the approaches to the building with crushed concrete. -Paul On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:23 PM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base. Pea gravel > > will flow and will not be as stable. Ask me how I know. > > > > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 18:58:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2C2A0F51 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 18:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic316-12.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (unknown [74.6.130.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663E9A0BCC for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:46:59 -0600 (MDT) t=1591908418; bh=zkG6BHwjow7J/eri6TohR2WNgVQNLxJ/XtRytNO2T/Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Hn7qu3IEkFYE9RjTigft0aRQ+WxvASznYShK9k8WU/sv0+98CK2hoNDkJ9UqdZYU3ynDP8GrS2Zq0FfW8ghTJQiVczwEyMSMYlUXYQ+gujge6VAw1HI4KoUMlveSQtaJelT+G3fx/9UOtaNM0IBQxyZ/AxzcphL021P39E2GgCsSqIom2ytnSPXnB6ew8YtEbounu4SA/BMfHyBEhc0GF14APOrMgYoTLnNDs0jT7Ncdxtn3N1c6stg2MLZvdvvOM5sR9mCQWmI4Iw7/eP5YP/Ek/hsAUFBd9s6L/B38umsDjDSWDVKQgrj+bly3WxBKd4mhFlMpMx08heTM5VnV3Q== Sx781b8haKvvCBk3fLFZLN6FTKtEZczDEK44vUZkYsQzzfr34qX9mzYNlmM0c1YR0JO16EXoqXjA xOCcHpTZxEl7dVggUbMsdTVGKS8SzmLKzqg8zao7AcA9HSEsj3uvzFoxUVW9.8cuYi5VWLVJrsBb PnMykmz5K_s9oOWVqjyj2EH7Bwc.qD4nZoMKG.hThbpAR5LPWyO0rSDMWpFFdBJGPBwyXuxLJRCr WfmIlNHD1Gx1mXhCis.AQMvACeYlGI4re4PQRPyfg4rX_h9v.8PzTZo1oedhS7xZCWfH568OAE8c BMpOJPA7YxBCdrhVxJuCTRnYWNlKS5yj_GhW3yiCAYqKidnPBtyk0uukN92HiwFMboBQQIyWb_JO 9TydFq2tLa2Hk7bB8sTOQMVwhknTcHUH.z68C7Wg1_yjRHCNh1MbyX7.9Bs0E4T7bxqyNNwjMdIg o06qTf9HFmMLMTzFC85ENUzEfnxU4ddyuqKdHFbl7qoBysHfsnVfwZ0tU7KLAh01r2zi3MhsKM6H HVZeajp8w4oEdQAhwK2pGpIz5f.2iVJ4n0fmZCJ7PkCVunzM6zAWu5NhHS1kpnnqq7aFRn1ahZTm kBmhSevXC6Ys2Q9ynhE3Jo9N97x18_fiq4fzUln0GADR6sl6cl0Y_zDZvOUJ1B2Yi7p5.Ezt_oYF OsluR1W.n4milwkXz2wj1wV.5NnFqKIDyek3k5EnisHCqnB0ARW38an_PGnv_4fOFZZfth9OXfvj bxOmW9liPCLMzXf761kIJaJwgFTAeiLi2FyX2jq6qOglm98dpYJcUbk.qTDVP1yaxTUzb9LqFbXZ lYCqMQvZokchC9mF_T7j4uLRJoWDIqCXx5e7zgZusBzZgcFz85ycfRyMtP1nP0LgwDQ6YJqlXVj_ 3v_dtOKm7ZsRuTKfHqxQ7I_xGWK7k4EbbdY23._tmHEZtl9OrAnK5EHATaFHhXSQMMCk3qTZ.9BT 4pnV27KWYfyIyp6fhnYxk42xQe7CfIKp_2eqWD6nwUlxgyhI.0kA2b5.82Eb8XcviIKHf0sY8nby ej.9TgpPxDBdWH_vb3ELaU3qj3oBqtFTwcOOJiYb6wuArIesSJ3fwRsmmZIYrIrRA5VSTQfzVFEw K.Z0wKNumytdaZ8kTOXDlLehRYt290Tppq.xBcQL46sAJyAG2WZ8Q8aRwUd_4bOWq86vPUNawUr8 ANOHgh09CjQrDGa9dsJ8p6NtWth1ICC2pcRNr.mnokF.EciKWVAgsb6y5NzsG1L2DTXPOINEOaJu WzQ1d3ZUC1RqODuX7f8sEasQ8MZYXLtU- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:46:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:46:54 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "mark@bradakis.com" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> x64; rv:77.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/77.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0791053255577154924== boundary="----=_Part_2096783_760989200.1591908414078" ------=_Part_2096783_760989200.1591908414078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anything with sharp edges will be better than river rock.=C2=A0 River rock= has smooth edges and corners and don't lock.=C2=A0 It will settle and flow= .=C2=A0 If you can get crushed granite it will be great. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea gravel= =20 > will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know. > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_2096783_760989200.1591908414078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anything with sharp edges will be better than river = rock.  River rock has smooth edges and corners and don't lock.  I= t will settle and flow.  If you can get crushed granite it will be gre= at.

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?

On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.  Pea grav= el
> will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask m= e how I know.
>

H= mm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.
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<088b7d86-089e-9c6a-9271-373f3819e7b0@bradakis.com> <4ba54f0d-1722-9f25-3a45-fa4b810b72a8@bradakis.com> <1627900179.1969185.1591891253901@mail.yahoo.com> <4a1ea524-054b-9cf2-8c88-bcb6e5d4b3bf@bradakis.com> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:15:29 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6913009654163721159== --000000000000156fe805a7e2091f On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base. Pea gravel > > will flow and will not be as stable. Ask me how I know. > > > > Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah. > Crushed lava? --000000000000156fe805a7e2091f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark = J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com&g= t; wrote:
On 6/1= 1/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.=C2=A0 Pea grave= l
> will flow and will not be as stable.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know.
>

Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.

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--000000000000156fe805a7e2091f-- --===============6913009654163721159== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6913009654163721159==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 12 19:16:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2703EA09E2 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84390A0259 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F4271BF204 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 00:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:45:28 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 12 21:01:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1E1A0F10 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950EBA0ABC for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:17:53 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1592014670; bh=7qlax9vud/ksy86GLsYpnXRL7emjeeV2IBGQ+0+/y6Q=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=xxUgjVsAhKGD618a31cMvvb9lJQ6KFklvi1jjdff/C9M7SHxiBHpXs1GfxK8unLcX wCIbOvUnps3l72EicUWp4O458Rt2VwVCtzx+KzMfNctlbgOZof7KN+woYxnpHoxT5f BbpkD4rrLsS490GvKj1onysVA81Q5tUtQ/u8iJZZAwlhmIsisdhAJnAV60lVyeuHt6 atTan2R54Eu8ym/GrC25shZxtcnJcZEFlj74uPsrZN0agNMPqyMzjaqTwxLkRBNK6g TbbfyAIRkuhy8zO754w18skDJG/Sn0scTiFHVbME0tNAO1wge4Bo4YEKciPeuFmduY 41ylnEn7K2yyg== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CBA36402A7; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 02:17:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:17:47 -0500 References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin definitions=2020-06-12_17:2020-06-12, 2020-06-12 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006130016 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Excuse the metrication, comes with being the other side of the Pond. Just been out to the shop to look at a set of impact sockets, metric not imperial, and I wonder if you could make up a 7/8 inch bore sleeve to take the socket or a 1/2 square adapter. 7/8 inch equals 22.225mm. My 13mm socket (pretty close to 1/2 inch) is 24mm o.d. and a 1/2 inch extension bar is 22.1mm o.d. I have a feeling tool dimensions are pretty similar worldwide so it could be worth your while checking some measurements. Looking at the Snapon catalogue I see that a 1/2 inch thin wall impact socket has an o.d. of 7/8 inch so should fit ok. You would have to drill and pin the socket or extension with a 1/4 inch ht bolt or similar. Cheapest way round the problem I can see. Maybe not the Snapon component but possibly some research will turn up a cheaper alternative. The thin wall aspect makes the difference. Good luck. Nick Brearley On 13/06/2020 01:45, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger he bought for post hole digging. It has a 7/8" round shaft with a pin through it that drives the auger. I'd like to adapt that to the impact socket but I can't find an adapter. Am I Googling wrong or is that something that likely doesn't exist? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nick@landform.co.uk > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 07:33:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E63A1017 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 07:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502B5A1009 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 07:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f171.google.com with SMTP id d67so11438407oig.6 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:28:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=q2mZpkKZEEomizVqr+vJz/V1YX9VZQLJT+Omu8QqBGE=; b=jwtKAaC+irMMahnwD48qVBDGynz6yf+JEjMxHy93qGxTGhbaFFD1+PGzn0MnMhU/JH sXtZPsteRfFg1YjEZCYKa+R6ETEn/uE7Bxswz4/bzRa5o6I262XcijxaSCAtKpVKD/Qj 6vd5iCRnlPjyyWE92UNtaY3cqPbDwAkcfiVuYvawwkOkPBy2G7HzLhrXN85uje0nJnB9 GXq9x23/9cP/n1JF4VBVk+0O/ydzKeTjiIpftYoJdCLU53XYIveRGN56IJAZh0CeqsrV 4Sa7wDy3VoqfX5UJpRSyp4slggkI6+Mdp99OPbksrv9wNIERZg/TzojpqQVBeQXN4ZYC w4bg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=q2mZpkKZEEomizVqr+vJz/V1YX9VZQLJT+Omu8QqBGE=; b=ubfrQqXyBEGrdanPK83zJX15BBAEG3ZNmAOtad1H1rhOPV4H2eMQVbzyRv/E2ezFCC y5ZF6jBg4sCXBhLE8t3ZFURSLrZ/MyIe80EuX4aIs72GK2SLVdLrwfUSrG7JbeCYNsVC 0cm7FKvkaWd6RahcUxaosCeozGHFkWu/q8Hio26NpLo2uqYGGa+1+Nfx6b01/Gbch/kF 5v+MqGw4K2ADPTfsB0/arhYVitA7YSGJ0y9TdjRo3e6nltVjYwuluEZ3L1xp+M332qMm 9o3ta8FTpulQl5Z6tJa05OEdwEwcACmDBxXZWwehZCfdafrQnp2uKJM07Gon/8mgBBbU 0PZg== N+lVZ7m0FwIRvYUbLBG5UQ== Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1700:3040:d690:9f4:c2fe:cd5b:ed0? ([2600:1700:3040:d690:9f4:c2fe:cd5b:ed0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7sm2128334oor.9.2020.06.13.06.28.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:28:18 -0500 References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Cc: shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform a regular tool. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 12:15:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98236A1141 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway32.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.145.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C076EA11AC for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:00:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cm16.websitewelcome.com (cm16.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.19]) by gateway32.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AE7D87D6B for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com ([198.57.247.151]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id k9W7j2S9aQyTQk9W8jHVwm; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:28 -0500 Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jk9W7-0041lH-Kj; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:27 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.234 ([99.101.202.234]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by automate-it.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:27 -0500 References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:00:27 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] please include it with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll be glad you did. Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc - Lee On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: > >> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >> >> >> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger > > > A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air > impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? > > Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator > as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform > a regular tool. >> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 12:30:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [192.168.122.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2D4A0B10 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6849A02A9 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 486951C0005; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:32:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:32:52 -0400 References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> To: Lee Daniels Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: > > I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't > want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll > be glad you did. > > Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - > makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc > - Lee > > On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >> >>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >> >> >> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >> >> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >> a regular tool. >>> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 12:55:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98460A1169 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mslow2.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.178.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1CA0A88 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.197]) by mslow2.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE593AD870 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97F141C0007; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:30:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:30:10 -0400 References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> To: Lee Daniels Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab. jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > Ok thanks all. I can't find one for rent anywhere near me, oddly. And I don't have the airflow to run a decent pneumatic one. > > I'll drive the first one by hand to test for rocks, then I'll just bit the bullet and buy one. > > jim > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Lee Daniels wrote: >> >> I agree with Dave on the benefits of using an impact driver here. If you don't >> want to buy the impact wrench and can't borrow one, rent one. I think you'll >> be glad you did. >> >> Here's a video showing this for your exact application (Titan deck foot) - >> makes it smooth and easy: https://youtu.be/nWIQpMoMVlc >> - Lee >> >> On Sat, June 13, 2020 08:28, David Scheidt wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 19:45, Jim Franklin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to drive in some small augers & plates as deck footings (Titan >>>> deck foot). They came with a 1/2" drive impact socket. Rather than buy a >>>> corded impact wrench that I will likely never use again, a friend has >>>> offered to loan me his Harbor Freight power auger >>> >>> >>> A corded impact will have more torque than that auger. A good cordless or air >>> impact will run circles around the corded one. Can you rent or borrow one? >>> >>> Hand held augers are limited in torque transfer by having to use the operator >>> as the reaction. Impact drivers us a rotating hammer, and can way out perform >>> a regular tool. >>>> > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 16:55:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F704A0F10 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 16:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (unknown [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0415EA0814 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:44:29 -0600 (MDT) bh=X3k99uO31E0ZqnBc6FWl+DCNlOCa8EfbKevJR49UmPk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=VTfC1LmQnDO7V3jKysHM9o1cWrCW2JEmUG/8VCozre3mlzZCPTrVdJx2YxgvcoBer iq9r3vf28vYwnZSPF4k9OHz9GDQy9j5YhX7R1aeSVjeE8BAXEtGSJ/2awJFfpjUeRT ROi3Lh0si6DryPLTTdVHhnc1D0Id1mrWAqdnlxI8n1DfanAD/+zox83a1W3Bc3WUdB bNpzJkFG6Uh2Ip7i1PZkz2M3rOB6LdZngWA2iG814YHQQ/2y3Hmnj8ic2MP4zKhB+9 I77Uy5ZM++r0WXwa+YCF9KFGxrK9CFt/+5h88j/rZh0LUzWFoZ5ZnXZoZ8Dmvs0nMI fDiNrAjGQ5Uww== Authentication-Results: mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IBeqreNX0NbDiaMtWAF5wQ==:117 a=IBeqreNX0NbDiaMtWAF5wQ==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=F1szF-Rt8xsO4vrkFooA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from [67.83.27.177] ([67.83.27.177:50759] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id CF/8B-29295-D9C25EE5; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:44:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:43:41 -0400 To: Jim Franklin From: Steven Trovato References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a backhoe? If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, you can fill in the extra with gravel. If we are talking about solid rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas. If this operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building inspector. He will have ideas on the right way to do it. His way is automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off on! -Steve At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote: >Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the >webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... > >Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against >destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from >hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough >and lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too >much to just pour a slab. > >jim -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 13 18:07:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7299A0A99 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A239FA0066 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9311020004 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:12:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:12:08 -0400 References: <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <3DF0F0CB-359F-4E45-8311-C52B715D259F@icloud.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? 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Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8318910799747731921== boundary="Apple-Mail=_DA1C4045-6FB4-44B5-96B8-D998C6749091" --Apple-Mail=_DA1C4045-6FB4-44B5-96B8-D998C6749091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Yes, definitely all backhoe movable. Very little in life that can't be = solved with a backhoe :-) I found RediFooting: https://www.redifooting.com/why-redi-footing = If I'm resigned to digging a hole with an auger, this beats the whole = concrete sonotube circus. And a bunch of folks on the Journsal of Light = Construction like them, which is always a nod to something's viability = for me. Still open to ideas though, rental shop is closed until Monday = morning... jim > On Jun 13, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steven Trovato = wrote: >=20 > Are we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a = backhoe? If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, = you can fill in the extra with gravel. If we are talking about solid = rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. = Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas. If this operation = requires a permit, I would consult with the building inspector. He will = have ideas on the right way to do it. His way is automatically the = right way and the way that he will sign off on! >=20 > -Steve >=20 > At 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote: >> Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free location. I did pinch the = webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, so there's that... >>=20 >> Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against = destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from = hurricanes? I don't know that I can get enough sonotubes deep enough and = lined up well enough to carry the 3 beams. The ground slopes too much to = just pour a slab. >>=20 >> jim >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DA1C4045-6FB4-44B5-96B8-D998C6749091 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Yes, = definitely all backhoe movable. Very little in life that can't be solved = with a backhoe :-)

I = found RediFooting:


If I'm resigned to = digging a hole with an auger, this beats the whole concrete sonotube = circus. And a bunch of folks on the Journsal of Light Construction like = them, which is always a nod to something's viability for me. Still open = to ideas though, rental shop is closed until Monday morning...

jim
On Jun = 13, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net> wrote:

Are = we talking about rocks that could conceivably be dug up with a backhoe? =  If you do that and end up with a hole that's too big and deep, you = can fill in the extra with gravel.  If we are talking about solid = rock, like bedrock, there are ways to attach the footing to the rock. =  Google that and you will find a bunch of ideas.  If this = operation requires a permit, I would consult with the building = inspector.  He will have ideas on the right way to do it.  His = way is automatically the right way and the way that he will sign off = on!

-Steve

At = 02:30 PM 6/13/2020, Jim Franklin wrote:
Hahaha, 0 for 3 on finding a rock-free = location. I did pinch the webbing inside my thumb with the breaker bar, = so there's that...

Any crazy ideas to get a = 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruction from frost heave = movement and against uplift from hurricanes? I don't know that I can get = enough sonotubes deep enough and lined up well enough to carry the 3 = beams. The ground slopes too much to just pour a slab.

jim


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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim F= ranklin <jamesf@groupwbench.or= g> wrote:

Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against destruct= ion from frost heave movement and against uplift from hurricanes?

I'm trying to figure out what part of the world = has hurricane winds and big frost heaving...=C2=A0 But I haven't been e= verywhere yet.

What about digging down to the larg= e rock and epoxying some rebar in holes in it.=C2=A0 Then cut the bottom of= your Sonotube to fit the rock, and pour a pier?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is the big roc= k going anywhere in a hurricane?=C2=A0=C2=A0

Jeff = Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

P.S.=C2=A0 Maybe a wing on= the deck will help with downforce.
--0000000000002272e305a80d7b37-- --===============6595458023469311411== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6595458023469311411==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 14 11:12:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF0FA1361 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D1A11A3 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E3811C0003; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:10:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:10:43 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <843E2224-7254-4161-A31F-F7A408AC685E@groupwbench.org> <565CD928-265E-4927-BBDC-E3EA0C7EED24@gmail.com> <35e4eb1763d7100718f3d1fe21ede646.squirrel@automate-it.com> <75E03494-E737-4250-A3B1-755B336E257F@groupwbench.org> <6CF13C02-DC6B-405E-83E7-377CE43246BC@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 1/2 socket drive adapter for power auger? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0242772613397573856== boundary="Apple-Mail=_41947A76-B93D-4EA1-B06D-20FB64704497" --Apple-Mail=_41947A76-B93D-4EA1-B06D-20FB64704497 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii > On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Franklin =20 > Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against = destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from = hurricanes? >=20 > I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane winds = and big frost heaving... But I haven't been everywhere yet. The northeast, in a belt where we're close enough to the ocean for its = storms but far enough that we can have long stretches of sub-freezing = temps.=20 >=20 > What about digging down to the large rock It's not a ledge, they're all pieces of New Hampshire that were put into = a rock tumbler for a few millenia.=20 >=20 > Corrosion Acres, Ga. >=20 > P.S. Maybe a wing on the deck will help with downforce. That's a neat idea from an engineering perspective, but I can't help but = think you were influenced by the local entertainment culture ;-) --Apple-Mail=_41947A76-B93D-4EA1-B06D-20FB64704497 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii

On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>= wrote:



On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim = Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

Any crazy ideas to get a 24 x 24 freestanding deck secured against = destruction from frost heave movement and against uplift from = hurricanes?

I'm trying to figure out what part of the world has hurricane = winds and big frost heaving...  But I haven't been everywhere = yet.

The = northeast, in a belt where we're close enough to the ocean for its = storms but far enough that we can have long stretches of sub-freezing = temps. 


What about digging down to the large rock =


It's not a ledge, they're all pieces of New Hampshire = that were put into a rock tumbler for a few = millenia. 


Corrosion Acres, Ga.

P.S.  Maybe a wing on the deck will help = with downforce.

That's a neat idea from an = engineering perspective, but I can't help but think you were influenced = by the local entertainment culture ;-)

= --Apple-Mail=_41947A76-B93D-4EA1-B06D-20FB64704497-- --===============0242772613397573856== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0242772613397573856==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 14 14:11:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB89A127F for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB503A0B7C for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id kYwNjJg6x7IYKkYwQjoSvW; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:09:18 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1592165358; bh=7tGwd4Qvkp5xR2xFhZ0UTP/iXlN3+sX6syiRKOAeDmc=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=yaLgt8c/RByn5SBPMxyS8RVG8gj8BDsIJOlTLdO8O/GP2/j5YcOTCkoMVhDeF+jUm Mtph1J5/WxRxswHlKd09rbKtnWldDa94srZkP+GELWw0vDP5jqNs9QuaYZLRmEx/J5 oBo3oKiR5Fz29v7l7CjIsHpjPXGpgx1tPdFDjYP9c7sCDLLeSTPb9LaLIfsPXF/Tm9 pPoxReiEYyatP7EGJTFqw+YySZnein/0t99CcAARkXszybU6rvZ+hsjzm5PaU0r4u7 nMiUEmPnYV4ksfzLl1rzYdNjIW1aW6M0NuGHL7m5vOToEICLBUxbbX0NciEx+JkWbX PlyvDpVXwgXsw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:5160:253d:3a3d:704b] ([IPv6:2601:203:581:2df0:5160:253d:3a3d:704b]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id kYwBjXpvTxxPvkYwOjVSQ9; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:09:17 +0000 To: Shop Talk From: Bob Spidell Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:09:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Metal cleaner for paint prep Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. 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for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 20:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id q25so1489431wmj.0 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:27:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=jl9La2DHNsY8zMcjpv877kL1opgW4uD3zKs7nqurNnI=; b=ngJLk/7AcX5wzutD/SKceEHGnD/f+QG0dGg2b9/d0CM0nGS2iTFyiNzYXaVPsH2uTd 43jo27k1patFBTkit46lUymiTKC1Cv1eZ7DMEadiTR93yriJZtRoVfeQAmBTxAwCUFhf N5SskxF4z42pWx0xqkvGi3NGSXI+C2GiqkJi+d66kCHjhsVWznrSlp28PJ5YbYojasM5 EVKqz89o77PuGqRirnzlz84VGKU8K1UIVzkBFSE4XyHb95Z1QtkX+rd4SulJ12e1A0G4 PClDp0pM9zwVABJfuMx+dYRVXV5lYDburbYu/3tiOy6cCGVuwN4I4BDCGda14SB07VIu gxJw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jl9La2DHNsY8zMcjpv877kL1opgW4uD3zKs7nqurNnI=; b=C9VfqAXtOg73wbUs3IO5bF1RbUVZGItib4f4faP5ukuyJLSpzwbbSbOGJvX+IXwSiw K79M40zmlpZxopCiEwDyizudiSKDdsFqgbVdHVJ61t+GbnP3fY3aeR41sN8+3urBeVZL 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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell wrote: > I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing required (the gate is in > dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper > for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their > website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to do > the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several > groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody > decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?' > > Bob > > On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote: > > Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has > > unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple > > Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something else] > > and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant. > > > > Donald. > > -- > > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > > /\ > > > > On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who works > >> for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw steel, so I > >> think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an acetone > >> follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a rattle-can > >> paint job, so nothing fancy. > >> > >> I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any > >> products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the > >> environmentalists might have taken issue with it. > >> Bob > >> > >> On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > >>> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the supplier > >>> what they recommend? I'd start with your favorite cleaner/degreaser > >>> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product. I did this on a > >>> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an epoxy > >>> paint. Still looks good after 20+ years. > >>> > >>> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used: > >>> > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Etch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369 > >>> > >>> or > >>> > https://www.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348 > >>> > >>> > >>> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different directions. > >>> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal: > >>> > https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors/under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel > >>> > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote: > >>>> Listers, > >>>> > >>>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll paint it using > >>>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List wisdom on > >>>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc.? > >>>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Drawbacks? Note > >>>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. > >>>> > >>>> TIA, > >>>> Bob > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 > >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive > >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >> http://autox.team.net/archive > >> > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker@comcast.net > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande@pobox.com > > --000000000000963c3805a82a47bb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Protestors need it for the graffiti art.


On = Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:00 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
I ended up with WD-40 Degreaser; no rinsing r= equired (the gate is in
dirt). Funny thing, rattle-can paint is about as scarce as toilet paper for some reason; HomeDepot had been picked clean in spite of what their website claimed and Lowe's wasn't much better but I found enough to= do
the job (I hope). While I was looking at paint at both stores several
groups of people came in and bought a bunch of cans; has everybody
decided to re-paint everything while on 'lockdown?'

Bob

On 6/15/2020 2:43 PM, Donald H Locker wrote:
> Yep; looks like 2-Butoxyethanol (EGME) is no longer used - it has
> unhealthy side-effects. Nyco has switched to 3-hydroxybytyrate; Simple=
> Green now uses Ethoxylated Alcohol; Fantastik is off to [something els= e]
> and 409 uses lauryldimethylamine oxide for their surfactant.
>
> Donald.
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> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
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>
> On 2020-06-15 12:16 p.m., Bob Spidell wrote:
>> Thanks for the replies, guys. The gate was fabbed by a friend who = works
>> for me sometimes (he's a garage door contractor). It's raw= steel, so I
>> think I'll go with an off-the-shelf degreaser and maybe an ace= tone
>> follow-up (prob go with the Klean-Strip). It's gonna be a ratt= le-can
>> paint job, so nothing fancy.
>>
>> I checked a few products with 2-Butoxyethanol didn't see any >> products--with labels I could see--containing it. It appears the >> environmentalists might have taken issue with it.
>> Bob
>>
>> On 6/14/2020 9:42 PM, Brian Kemp wrote:
>>> Bob - Since it is a new gate you had built, can you ask the su= pplier
>>> what they recommend?=C2=A0 I'd start with your favorite cl= eaner/degreaser
>>> then use a phosphoric acid "metal prep" product.=C2= =A0 I did this on a
>>> second hand roll bar that was a bit rusty then sprayed with an= epoxy
>>> paint.=C2=A0 Still looks good after 20+ years.
>>>
>>> Here is a sample product that looks like what I used:
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-Strip-1-Gal-Concrete-Et= ch-Metal-Prep-Rust-Inhibitor-GKPA30220/100406369
>>>
>>> or
>>> https://ww= w.lowes.com/pd/Klean-Strip-Concrete-and-Metal-Prep-1-GAL/1001456348
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that if the iron was galvanized, you have different direc= tions.
>>> Here is one of the search returns on painting galvanized metal= :
>>> https://www.dunnedwards.com/professional/painting-contractors= /under-the-lid/painting-galvanized-steel
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2020 1:09 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>>>> Listers,
>>>>
>>>> I've had a new iron gate built for our ranch. I'll= paint it using
>>>> Rustoleum self-etching primer and enamel; what is the List= wisdom on
>>>> the best prep/cleaner: acetone, brake cleaner, lacquer thi= nner, etc.?
>>>> I know they'd all work pretty well; any favorites? Dra= wbacks? Note
>>>> the iron was protected with some sort of oil/grease/wax. >>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Bob
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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--000000000000963c3805a82a47bb-- --===============4410294871199165323== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4410294871199165323==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 08:24:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBEA0E80 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1706A0B92 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 06:43:09 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:43:08 -0400 06/16/2020 08:43:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/16/2020 08:43:09 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] websites question and plastic automotive body clips rant Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2014546509671830260== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0045DE6285258589_= Hello all, QUESTION- I just finished an extensive 6 week restore of a 2003 F350 with a large dump bed. For a work truck, it looks awesome! I wanted to share some of the photos and story on a web page, I was hoping that someone knows of a good format for the web page (or template) for a project like this. I don't want to just have a web page that is a mile long to scroll down, nor do I want a 100 clicks to see the content. Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and I'm not above 'borrowing' code. 8>) RANT- What is the deal with these plastic body clips? I mean, I understand that they are cheap and help assemble cars fast, I'm on board with that. But why do they need a million different types for 2 basic functions in only about 3 sizes? Seriously, I was trying to replace the broken clips on this truck, and it's a nightmare! Flipping through well designed books at the local NAPA, I saw that almost all these clips are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 sizes. They ether hold 2 pieces together in a straight through fashion, or they are for a blind install. I ended up just buying a bunch of what they had lying around and using whatever one fit and it was fine. My only guess is that each auto company "patents" their clips so no one else can use them. I think I'm going to make a 'universal' clip and stop this nonsense. It does make me long for the older cars with screws! RANT OFF. Mule "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0045DE6285258589_= Hello all,


QUESTION-
I just finished an extensive 6 week restore of a 2003 F350 with a large dump bed.  For a work truck, it looks awesome!  I wanted to share some of the photos and story on a web page, I was hoping that someone knows of a good format for the web page (or template) for a project like this.  I don't want to just have a web page that is a mile long to scroll down, nor do I want a 100 clicks to see the content.  Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and I'm not above 'borrowing' code.  8>)

RANT-
What is the deal with these plastic body clips?  I mean, I understand that they are cheap and help assemble cars fast, I'm on board with that. But why do they need a million different types for 2 basic functions in only about 3 sizes?  Seriously, I was trying to replace the broken clips on this truck, and it's a nightmare! Flipping through well designed books at the local NAPA, I saw that almost all these clips are 1 of maybe 2 or 3 sizes.  They ether hold 2 pieces together in a straight through fashion, or they are for a blind install. I ended up just buying a bunch of what they had lying around and using whatever one fit and it was fine. My only guess is that each auto company "patents" their clips so no one else can use them. I think I'm going to make a 'universal' clip and stop this nonsense. It does make me long for the older cars with screws!  RANT OFF.

Mule


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 0045DE6285258589_=-- --===============2014546509671830260== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2014546509671830260==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 13:52:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F768A0427 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD03BA0AAB for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:05:42 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:05:41 -0400 06/17/2020 02:05:42 PM, Serialize complete at 06/17/2020 02:05:42 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2170538499284642014== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0063662D8525858A_= I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there. https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm Let me know what you think. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0063662D8525858A_= I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments.  Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there.

https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm

Let me know what you think.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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=
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:24 AM <= eric@megageek.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 Anyone know of a website were someone put together a good looking page to describe a project like this? I run my own web server, so I don't need a space like wix to host it, and I&#= 39;m not above 'borrowing' code. =C2=A08>)


If you run your own server, I assume y= ou have some familiarity with HTML.. When I've done pages like that, I = set all my pictures in a subfolder, and create thumbnails that go in the fo= lder with the page index file.=C2=A0 Display the thumbnails in a table in t= he left column and explanatory text in the right column, and link the thumb= nails to the full-size photo.=C2=A0 Se, for instance,=C2=A0http://fishplate.org/vehicles/s= pitfire/FM72xxx/

=C2=A0
RANT-=
What is the deal with these plasti= c body clips?

Possibly, some are &quo= t;legacy" parts - something that keeps getting used year after year, e= ven as new clips must be designed for other uses (to become legacies themse= lves...)

Jeff Scarbrough
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Having spent parts of 22 years doing something pretty similar to >an Austin Healey I can appreciate every step, including the oopses. >Thanks for the trip. >-Roland > >On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:05:41 -0400, you wrote: > >>I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. >>Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the >>first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there. >> >>https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm >> >>Let me know what you think. >> >> >>"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >>being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >>Waldo Emerson >>-Who is John Galt? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 15:26:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806BDA0C09 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D847A0B83 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:25:44 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1592429141; bh=YeL5KvvADm7XCUC1b6VLLzze0pVzTd3h0zkjbChJPEg=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=OF7QVpmRiimTZOYg5ptFjJfH2bxdf/ZNQglQN/Y0rvsst6I8tIlNyXSWHPyc2GjyZ BBvH1x3wn9QYdmadaoxP5b/BQl/iqqWP93Mc3LBEf22kokjldNMHGC/M5Wqq9D9vyY JEBQdFgLHwj8/TvQyLFEJpK4LKG8VTBMcJuKGPGV3mXa8boqxVaUL1bwYEITakzHag rQZI5VgLLMcs/7YYTK0B4vaXHzuOBB0V/V5a9QYprhsnjXsDqr1AoRkXyFcibduTTc uY5xEGMv2JyRLOIUZBpMyoGzquU8OCMvEhHcDF6rwshKg6tcb2r4WaOz74hsxcdgbL EOpRsRknoIvAg== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 903AF780242; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:25:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:25:40 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com definitions=2020-06-17_12:2020-06-17, 2020-06-17 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006170161 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2297802432372814974== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-370E9D77-4A87-4DCC-8325-2C4023EBB110 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very good amount of work getting that truck ready. I=E2=80=99m doing a frame= off on a 1967.5 Datsun roadster but I=E2=80=99m not doing the body. Someone= else is taking care of that.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:53 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFI uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comm= ents. Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on t= he first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there.=20 https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm=20 Let me know what you think.=20 "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson=20 -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-370E9D77-4A87-4DCC-8325-2C4023EBB110 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very good amount of work getting that truck= ready. I=E2=80=99m doing a frame off on a 1967.5 Datsun roadster but I=E2=80= =99m not doing the body. Someone else is taking care of that. 

=
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
= We support Habitat for Humanity

<= br>On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:53 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI uploaded the phot= os of the truck restore with some notes and comments.  Check it out. This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next arrow from there.

https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm

Let me know what you think.


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-Who is John Galt?
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= --Apple-Mail-370E9D77-4A87-4DCC-8325-2C4023EBB110-- --===============2297802432372814974== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2297802432372814974==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 16:06:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6AFA0C06 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta012.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.164.127.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA38BA07FA for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.211]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id lWY3jiRqMmUuylg24jo4D1; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:55:44 +0000 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.210]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id lg22jpW4gXBMVlg23joN7Q; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:55:43 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:117 a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:17 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=ud9WI3FowHKMZN2C:21 a=gXI26AEvOKvdkCsk:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=6E7ylqVL_vYA:10 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=pvC9dC5fFuw3vYYV:21 a=khNqrcR4HS0vACIB:21 a=490MukUytRYuU_mm:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:55:42 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" mail.megageek.com> References: WQ5rYvFly8ip7K8YtkuWfyXgU/ylweqWZWZFhWNVx3Jr4C50JmTSETCjb4YFcC7v2xlBpInKYdWlzxt171z9ca2PFYvZsvIm9nY= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1408014673820262400== boundary="=====================_33904196==.ALT" --=====================_33904196==.ALT At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote: >I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments. Check it out. >This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next >arrow from there. > >https://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm > >Let me know what you think. Eric, Very impressive!!!! Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab? If so, that is unbelieveable!!! That's something I wished I'd learned how to do. My hat's off to you. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_33904196==.ALT At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:

>
I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments.  Check it out.
>This is just a first draft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next
>arrow from there.
>
>
https ://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm
>
>Let me know what you think.

Eric,

Very impressive!!!!  Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?  If so, that is unbelieveable!!!  That's something I
wished I'd learned how to do.

My hat's off to you.

John




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John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 


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On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM <<= a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com> wrote:

L= et me know what you think.

I don't do body work.. This is why.=C2= =A0

My hat is off to you....=C2=A0
--0000000000005c804905a850bc4b-- --===============4421302060599437048== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4421302060599437048==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 19:06:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927DCA0C7D for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B02A0BBC for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:05:28 -0600 (MDT) References: <6.2.5.6.1.20200617175326.04a4c1f8@cox.net> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:05:27 -0400 06/17/2020 09:05:28 PM, Serialize complete at 06/17/2020 09:05:28 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I put a rough draft of the truck restore on my website- Check it out Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6718720199655822453== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0005FEA68525858B_= John asked: >Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab? I bought what panels I could. That was both corners,driver's inner, driver's front kick panel, and the one door bottom (I needed both door bottoms and the inner for both as well.) I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two driver's side and cut one up to work. I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces. "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0005FEA68525858B_= John asked:
>Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?  

I bought what panels I could.  That was both corners,driver's inner, driver's front kick panel, and  the one door bottom (I needed both door bottoms and the inner for both as well.)

 I couldn't get any passenger side kick or rockers, so I bought two driver's side and cut one up to work.

I made the pass. Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces.



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anyone getti= ng a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 a= nd 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers=C2= =A0 and different caller id names, =C2=A0but the same " debt forgivene= ss" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to comp= lain they just hang up=E2=80=A6 I can't find a way to stop them... looking = for suggestions

 

john

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

= --_39165745-975A-40F1-B96E-3245427AA766_-- --===============6517141699583180445== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6517141699583180445==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 19:52:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839E5A0C70 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8964A0C3B for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:42:08 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1592444526; bh=KZeELq56CxJSqGdusl5ZFY0EAg92GxN5eayPIe1r/rY=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=r6sx1vaq8/KHXa96lXJ2ZjMY5ErqKmF6nIStWy+AVrL44RraTHdCIRiWQvnlXhNXM Ya5mLowlK42XR/1jplzVTMUsLTRH0sKijFQF9DzdbzggLa0qrJuLMtCF3CcjuzP4zw BsIhlcA4V/2ySA3KBDtZiJO0qf+6gy17Kzb1m4clLcNMM3bzJ8s6l1OBLGQofTbe3Z egXPdmT5A3YVyGRDCNGgCK2Pp4HUC3E8qHLdReC7/uWFJ8do678pH+eHUm2/H2Fw2S j4ZI2i10WWyRRYRKZNt5Oi/yYHgOUdjDjrvVQMiowscbc0eYzaxNM4emcijl9dQOgC cnRvdcgFugboA== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D724100269; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:42:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:42:02 -0500 References: <20200618013911.62449A0C92@autox.team.net> To: john niolon definitions=2020-06-17_12:2020-06-17, 2020-06-17 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006180010 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7603189735276716519== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-CD5A378A-8120-4092-BB34-4EA23BFABF9B charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=E2=80=99t answer a call if I don=E2=80=99t recognize the number. Let i= t go to voicemail. I know the calls are a pain but even a little bit helps.=20= Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 PM, john niolon wrote: =EF=BB=BF anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 a= nd 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers an= d different caller id names, but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded mess= age... if you hit a number to talk to someone to complain they just hang up=E2= =80=A6 I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions =20 john =20 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-CD5A378A-8120-4092-BB34-4EA23BFABF9B charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=E2=80=99t answer a call if I don=E2=80= =99t recognize the number. Let it go to voicemail. I know the calls are a pa= in but even a little bit helps. 

Peace,
Pa= t

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanit= y


On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 PM= , john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

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anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this after= noon. between 4:30 and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800= ,866,888 numbers  and different caller id names,  but the same " d= ebt forgiveness" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to someone t= o complain they just hang up=E2=80=A6 I can't find a way to stop them... loo= king for suggestions

 

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Inner, both floorboards, lots of the kick = > plates/rockers for the rear of the cab and many other pieces. We're not worthy. But damn, I wish I had that much space to work with. 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[73.50.19.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h13sm756923ile.18.2020.06.17.18.50.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Vacek To: john niolon , "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:50:13 -0500 References: <20200618013810.451E4A0C3B@autox.team.net> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.25.0-1610 (build: 102500002) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5099502875941134407== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------172c51e8fa26cda28bfc9a931b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NoMoRobo It's free On June 17, 2020 8:38:10 PM john niolon wrote: > anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. between 4:30 > and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,888 numbers > and different caller id names, but the same " debt forgiveness" recorded > message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to complain they just > hang up… I can't find a way to stop them... looking for suggestions > > john > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com ------------172c51e8fa26cda28bfc9a931b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On June 17, 2020 8:38:10 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wr= ote:

anyone getting a rash of "800" harassing calls this afternoon. be= tween 4:30 and 6:00 pm we got 90 calls in 90 minutes.. different 800,866,88= 8 numbers  and different caller id names,  but the same " debt fo= rgiveness" recorded message... if you hit a number to talk to someone to co= mplain they just hang up=E2=80=A6 I can't find a way to stop them... lookin= g for suggestions

 

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Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:06:17 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> From: John Miller Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:06:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net T24gNi8xNy8yMDIwIDY6MzcgUE0sIGpvaG4gbmlvbG9uIHdyb3RlOgo+IGFueW9uZSBnZXR0aW5n IGEgcmFzaCBvZiAiODAwIiBoYXJhc3NpbmcgY2FsbHMgdGhpcyBhZnRlcm5vb24uIGJldHdlZW4g Cj4gNDozMCBhbmQgNjowMCBwbSB3ZSBnb3QgOTAgY2FsbHMgaW4gOTAgbWludXRlcy4uIGRpZmZl cmVudCA4MDAsODY2LDg4OCAKPiBudW1iZXJzwqAgYW5kIGRpZmZlcmVudCBjYWxsZXIgaWQgbmFt ZXMsIMKgYnV0IHRoZSBzYW1lICIgZGVidCAKPiBmb3JnaXZlbmVzcyIgcmVjb3JkZWQgbWVzc2Fn ZS4uLiBpZiB5b3UgaGl0IGEgbnVtYmVyIHRvIHRhbGsgdG8gc29tZW9uZSAKPiB0byBjb21wbGFp biB0aGV5IGp1c3QgaGFuZyB1cOKApiBJIGNhbid0IGZpbmQgYSB3YXkgdG8gc3RvcCB0aGVtLi4u IAo+IGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zCgpBbGwgbXkgc3BhbSBpcyBpbiBDaGluZXNlLiBJ IGRvbid0IGFuc3dlciBtb3N0IGNhbGxzIGZyb20gbnVtYmVycyBJIApkb24ndCByZWNvZ25pemUs IGFuZCBpbiBtb2JpbGUgcGhvbmVzIHRoZXJlJ3MgdXN1YWxseSBhICdibG9jayBhcyBzcGFtJyAK YnV0dG9uIHNvbWV3aGVyZS4KCldlJ3ZlIGdvdCBOb01vUm9ibyBob29rZWQgdXAgdG8gdGhlIGhv dXNlIHhmaW5pdHkgdm9pcCwgd2hpY2ggdXN1YWxseSAKbWVhbnMgaXQgcmluZ3Mgb25jZSBhbmQg Z29lcyBhd2F5LiAgIEhhdmVuJ3QgeWV0IGFkZGVkIGl0IHRvIG15IGNlbGwuICBJIAp1c2UgYSBH b29nbGUgVm9pY2UgbnVtYmVyIGFib3V0IGhhbGYgdGhlIHRpbWUgYW55d2F5LgoKSm9obi4KX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KClNob3AtdGFsa0Bh dXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3Vn Z2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjk2CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5u ZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsayBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQoKVW5z dWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL3No b3AtdGFsay9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAoK From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 22:59:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744ACA0CD2 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [68.178.252.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08371A0BE6 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id lmd1jR7Bqydujlmd1jCSrY; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:58:20 -0700 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:117 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9yD2iGtCAAAA:8 a=u2kmT9eS6ZSfJpJeALoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=E16gjHcn7HDwMdy_aRsA:9 a=mrL2EsTo4IC8wowE:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=B2YKnnjIIgJRs3WCINUA:9 a=5eEWgC3eO8gjZ71C:18 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=VEiTNn8F7TgA:10 a=-TMNE5q71nETgq9W2iAA:9 a=Qt-Z8SK91lvk-qLn:18 a=fXNj_fZzpRBSmb4Y5jhv:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 From: "Steve" To: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:58:20 -0700 Organization: LeatherPlates.com boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01D644F2.69E41CE0" Importance: Normal DBnAJZ9clcwmYZptRTd+8Fw02+fHDU5WVUYyHvtrq5pPL0YI/MkLoVAICtLfwfaWI4bkIMm69Ik8vQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01D644F2.69E41CE0 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004D_01D644F2.69E41CE0" ------=_NextPart_001_004D_01D644F2.69E41CE0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cleaning up old storage during the C-19 times. Found this packed=20 away, don=E2=80=99t remember ever using it...but them why do I have it? I have some ideas, but I=E2=80=99m hoping for a definitive answer. It = certainly=20 appears that there are parts missing........ Super thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com ------=_NextPart_001_004D_01D644F2.69E41CE0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cleaning up old storage during the C-19 times.  Found this = packed=20
away, don=E2=80=99t remember ever using it...but them why do I have = it?
I have some ideas, but I=E2=80=99m hoping for a definitive = answer.  It=20 certainly
appears that there are parts missing........
 
Super thanks.
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leatherplates.com


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Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559C8A0C7C for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:22:00 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:21:59 -0400 06/18/2020 06:22:00 AM, Serialize complete at 06/18/2020 06:22:00 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Cc: Steve Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3725905374642291656== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0038F26C8525858B_= Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the face of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection. Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0038F26C8525858B_= Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.  The wood is the face of the fence.  The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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=
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John= Miller <jem@milleredp.com> = wrote:
=C2=A0I d= on't answer most calls from numbers I
don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block = as spam'
button somewhere.

The problem with that is = that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed.=C2=A0 A guy in B= angalore is not calling me from a number in my area code.=C2=A0 If I block = it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam caller.= =C2=A0

I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.= =C2=A0 I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...=

"Oh.=C2=A0 Do you have another vehicle?"= ;

"Yep.=C2=A0 A 1976 Triumph."

*click*

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--0000000000005a839505a859daa8-- --===============1096713497586583692== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1096713497586583692==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 18 05:22:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A4AA0CE9 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7289A03A0 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f173.google.com with SMTP id c12so4040218qtq.11 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:22:13 -0700 (PDT) h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=ro7usje3fNrn9iDx7hmEIjnK4t0rh+D+0Ls3pBfgAHY=; b=Nbgunm5oojndzYbARErf+l8fXmFwUz+n+twhNJ17Elj5qSLHCaGHCUd2wlVeVu8mlF xFUDPkzbyj9koOhWBYUuR9wbMQxi2h4mCsYkL4z48JU98pVo+8JP8Cvenmcr5gLJM22B lC0n5uZIkJa/Cffz/V+u+eQlRCTDjMyBHG5SK69TDdztnYkkq4lJqpRqoIOiZS4pVBQ1 qfh7U9v7BUMeZImzRISJnZxJPB02TE/uFb2rQDO0Wjl1mOy1BOrFvzE1tcxS6VGCMWMH 70GKzzOP9b93DNJWfaHzhjKP8zwLvCOoL7A5QMSNQaCCzoPH6sQ3CEDtnZ1GANoEMJBS XCuQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=ro7usje3fNrn9iDx7hmEIjnK4t0rh+D+0Ls3pBfgAHY=; b=IwX8T6HJ9snz1N/8wRRaeGekEs8BkizpMV8SBUqiih7weLCAIrt6z8NOyPi5t5XLNO JaW9Ch0v2dfxi8w7ppXkZ1UGL6WQhMxcGG6tvazX/btZa/Kk/BLUaHzsfupfr7Bx+Fg1 JyMB5J0HGHgLKVPUC14gqWPOwqxy0CGFckOz0uwb7FHLBM39NoqUeyhlArQRj/jq5h7O dMnNhoe8UmBYSF08x6MooSence10eFO0Hj3j1XqlWHhe0xlEycUOO66GhPhzvxcH2YJw +Mqg23VK4ZxUtq+TPRc02kuWfzINNdEaeL07r54NbE0oyLcXZQhJGRE/njbLjiQK0EBY 8wTQ== txFjdAP6a6BsvYWVlgJ2ptFA5Wvaw4Q= Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-pro-2.home (ool-18b950c0.dyn.optonline.net. [24.185.80.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m26sm3104579qtm.73.2020.06.18.04.22.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:22:05 -0400 References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1643616499794761459== boundary="Apple-Mail=_510E5CE6-ED2F-4E62-A890-7B55977A8D24" --Apple-Mail=_510E5CE6-ED2F-4E62-A890-7B55977A8D24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but = keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be = an unknowingly brilliant move! Virtually any call I get from an unknown = number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a = pretty good chance of being real. =20 > On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller I don't answer most calls from numbers I=20 > don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as = spam'=20 > button somewhere. >=20 > The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the = number spoofed. A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in = my area code. If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, = and not the spam caller. =20 >=20 > I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make = them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph... >=20 > "Oh. Do you have another vehicle?" >=20 > "Yep. A 1976 Triumph." >=20 > *click* >=20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_510E5CE6-ED2F-4E62-A890-7B55977A8D24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I = know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but = keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be = an unknowingly brilliant move!  Virtually any call I get from an = unknown number Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call = has a pretty good chance of being real.  

On Jun = 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>= wrote:



On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John = Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:
 I don't answer most calls from = numbers I
don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam' =
button somewhere.

The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get = have the number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from = a number in my area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone = who may be legit, and not the spam caller. 

I love getting these calls for extending my auto = warranty.  I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a = 1975 Triumph...

"Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"

"Yep.  A 1976 = Triumph."

*click*

 
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I have Xfinity voice.=C2=A0 I'm not sure how it happened, but now = when a new number calls my home, they have to press 1 before the call will go through to me.=C2=A0 This eliminates 99% of junk calls.
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On 6/18/2020 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:
=C2=A0I don't answer most calls from numbers I
don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam'
button somewhere.

The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed.=C2=A0 A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area code.=C2=A0 If I block it= , I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam caller.=C2=A0

I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.=C2= =A0 I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...

"Oh.=C2=A0 Do you have another vehicle?"

"Yep.=C2=A0 A 1976 Triumph."

*click*

=C2=A0

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--------------CCFFA512F2DC2E8790D73D73-- --===============4921040970009389269== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4921040970009389269==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 18 05:39:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11401A0ACE for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (unknown [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8C6A0CE1 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.21.127.30] [209.234.253.120] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.5.6.101) id 95fd002704bfb018; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:32:26 -0600 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <20200618013852.A0D75A0C68@autox.team.net> From: Michael Porter Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:32:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5388682211857843822== boundary="------------5CF1B794134F034CA45F8964" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5CF1B794134F034CA45F8964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 6/18/2020 5:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > > > The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the > number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in > my area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be > legit, and not the spam caller. > > I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make them > do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph... > > "Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?" > > "Yep.  A 1976 Triumph." > > *click* Since I only use a land line, YMMV, but, I just put a looooong answer message on the phone.  I mean three-four minutes long.  My relatives know it's there and they wait, and if I expect to get a business call, I warn them in advance, and they wait, too.  In most instances, the robocalls and spammers are gone before the message is complete.  The rare instances of those from companies on the east coast threatening me with bogus legal action that are still relaying a threat when the message is over are met with me picking up the phone, and saying, "fraud is a felony."  Then I hang up and I don't hear from any of them for a few months until they get a new list of phone numbers and start all over again. Kinda low-tech, but it works. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... --------------5CF1B794134F034CA45F8964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 6/18/2020 5:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:



The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the number spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the spam caller. 

I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty.  I make them do the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...

"Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"

"Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."

*click*

Since I only use a land line, YMMV, but, I just put a looooong answer message on the phone.  I mean three-four minutes long.  My relatives know it's there and they wait, and if I expect to get a business call, I warn them in advance, and they wait, too.  In most instances, the robocalls and spammers are gone before the message is complete.  The rare instances of those from companies on the east coast threatening me with bogus legal action that are still relaying a threat when the message is over are met with me picking up the phone, and saying, "fraud is a felony."  Then I hang up and I don't hear from any of them for a few months until they get a new list of phone numbers and start all over again.

Kinda low-tech, but it works.


Cheers.


-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
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Hi Eric,

What a terrific accomplishment= ! The final product speaks highly of you. Congratulations=C2=A0on a job wel= l done. Looks better than new.

best,
doug

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:
At 02:05 PM 6/17/2020, you wrote:

>
I uploaded the photos of the truck restore with some notes and comments.=C2=A0 Check it out.
>This is just a first dr= aft. Easy thing is to click on the first photo in the album and just the next
>arrow from there.
>
>
https ://www.megageek.com/truckre.htm
>
>Let me know what you think.

Eric,

Very impressive!!!!=C2=A0 Did you fabricate the rocker panels, kick plates, and the corner rounds at the back of the cab?=C2=A0 If so, that is unbelieveable!!!=C2=A0 That's something I
wished I'd learned how to do.

My hat's off to you.

John




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Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:33:48 +0000 Received: by smtp414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5ab22a98c5d17a3ae1c4d1d1602a73c5; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Dwade Reinsch Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:33:44 -0400 References: To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] robocalls and such Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3843604016429498628== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-D589F5DF-E735-4AD9-8C39-90CC55A2DEE0 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have similar experience as Jim. All of our phone numbers have Texas area c= odes but we live in Atlanta Georgia.. I answer very few calls that I don=E2=80= =99t recognize the number. If I have called a business and am expecting a ca= ll back I will answer Atlanta Georgia calls that are not in my contact list.= Otherwise, if I don=E2=80=99t know you I don=E2=80=99t want to talk to you.= Said with a smile! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of u= s, but keeping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to b= e an unknowingly brilliant move! Virtually any call I get from an unknown n= umber Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty go= od chance of being real. =20 >=20 >> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:= >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller wrote: >>> I don't answer most calls from numbers I=20 >>> don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam'=20= >>> button somewhere. >>=20 >> The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the numbe= r spoofed. A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in my area co= de. If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit, and not the s= pam caller. =20 >>=20 >> I love getting these calls for extending my auto warranty. I make them d= o the spiel and then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph... >>=20 >> "Oh. Do you have another vehicle?" >>=20 >> "Yep. A 1976 Triumph." >>=20 >> *click* >>=20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar= chive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789a= lpine@gmail.com >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreins= ch@swbell.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-D589F5DF-E735-4AD9-8C39-90CC55A2DEE0 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have similar experience as Jim. All of ou= r phone numbers have Texas area codes but we live in Atlanta Georgia.. I ans= wer very few calls that I don=E2=80=99t recognize the number. If I have call= ed a business and am expecting a call back I will answer Atlanta Georgia cal= ls that are not in my contact list. Otherwise, if I don=E2=80=99t know you I= don=E2=80=99t want to talk to you. Said with a smile!

Sent from my iPhone

O= n Jun 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF= = I know changing your number is not a viable solution for most of us, but kee= ping my 314 St. Louis number when I moved to NY has turned out to be an unkn= owingly brilliant move!  Virtually any call I get from an unknown numbe= r Missouri is a spoof robocall, while an unknown NY call has a pretty good c= hance of being real.  

On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Sca= rbrough <fishplate@gmai= l.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 PM John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrote:
 I don't answ= er most calls from numbers I
don't recognize, and in mobile phones there's usually a 'block as spam'
button somewhere.

The problem with that is that about 75% of the calls I get have the n= umber spoofed.  A guy in Bangalore is not calling me from a number in m= y area code.  If I block it, I'll be blocking someone who may be legit,= and not the spam caller. 

I love getting= these calls for extending my auto warranty.  I make them do the spiel a= nd then tell them I have a 1975 Triumph...

"Oh.  Do you have another vehicle?"

"Yep.  A 1976 Triumph."<= /div>

*click*

 
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= --Apple-Mail-D589F5DF-E735-4AD9-8C39-90CC55A2DEE0-- --===============3843604016429498628== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3843604016429498628==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 18 09:57:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10286A0C99 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D846A0C14 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12A0020010 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:56:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:55:58 -0400 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7842181303417749106== boundary="Apple-Mail=_3A42011F-008B-4B76-A948-B506B10E64DD" --Apple-Mail=_3A42011F-008B-4B76-A948-B506B10E64DD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the = sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement? jim > On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone = has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while = also...=20 >=20 >=20 > = https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this= _in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ = >=20 > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3A42011F-008B-4B76-A948-B506B10E64DD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?

jim

On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/

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-Who is John Galt?




From:        Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
To:        Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date:        06/18/2020 11:57 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........
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That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?

jim

On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...



https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/

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--=_alternative 00632E9D8525858B_=-- --===============8253609900038880037== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8253609900038880037==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 18 12:27:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282B4A0137 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47488A0625 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61D90E000C; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:12:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:12:25 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com References: <67CB9E13-C749-41FB-BCFA-C9E7572F50CD@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4264075293390029883== boundary="Apple-Mail=_C10E1366-4B5C-4B97-B410-E38F6E2808DF" --Apple-Mail=_C10E1366-4B5C-4B97-B410-E38F6E2808DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii A friend says: "Board supporter thing for holding the other end of a = long board or piece of mill work during a sequence of cross cuts?" I'm thinking a loop gauge, for repeated measuring of a length of = string/ribbon etc. I love this old what is it stuff :-) jim > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:03 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > No, there are no markings, and it does not open in anyway.=20 >=20 >=20 > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 > -Who is John Galt?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Jim Franklin =20 > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 > Date: 06/18/2020 11:57 AM=20 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........=20 > Sent by: "Shop-talk" =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the = sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?=20 >=20 > jim=20 >=20 > On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com = >=20 > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone = has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while = also...=20 >=20 >=20 > = https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this= _in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/ = =20 >=20 > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com = >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C10E1366-4B5C-4B97-B410-E38F6E2808DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii A friend says: "Board supporter thing for holding the other end of a long board or piece of mill work during a sequence of cross cuts?"

I'm thinking a loop gauge, for repeated measuring of a length of string/ribbon etc.

I love this old what is it stuff :-)

jim

On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:03 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

No, there are no markings, and it does not open in anyway.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?




From:        Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
To:        Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date:        06/18/2020 11:57 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine..........
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>




That doesn't open for storage inside? And there are no markings on the sliding part to indicate a gauge or measurement?

jim

On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:21 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this redit for a while also...



https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/

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Looks like a rare adjustable toilet paper holder.

Mike

On 6/18/2020 8:55 AM, Jim Franklin wrote:



https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/
--------------320F0A730849221F0221BF1A-- --===============4535894284543031805== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4535894284543031805==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 11:09:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188B7A0DA5 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F46FA0D58 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC19FFF802 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:06:28 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Has anyone used fix-a-floor? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a lot of partially loose kitchen floor tiles. Before I do the unthinkable I'd like to try a shortcut. I've seen a few videos of this product, plus one of a guy injecting epoxy under the loose tile. Have you had any success (or failure) with anything like this? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 11:14:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0CDA0DB6 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426B9A0D6D for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:14:17 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1592759654; bh=jweFB2o8kEMG9vWwPkAti56ZycBjkFSui2wkkZ0ZjfM=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=OdUOrJB5AhsJXviieXBrvZZxTo+sSGYDc/gJGOBUHSWYTyamVPHbHBYaTw/IshreF nQtBZQ3Ob6wSUq2bD+HKkENDZL/qxp5knMFnLqFzM5rHEx1zFLYrsAtqnf5zURC98u KA7dkH2o6SwhG993fv2GwEB7JASuYrMFSEE7JPzhgpUBeuCoNBd6nGkUKDqSLBG5iW i9PuYVFmFT7SydnClizCv6GnX6VKJRBdgkbsGhg4Dv+wcxuOe8VhWEerqjaiz69RZ4 1b1X32XbqsMuehrNGJZeTxWNi8r876tmHgx6HGI1Bryy8c7NP/3DeWBrLpEUN6mCwH j1u3PBVkhwOJw== Received: from [192.168.88.11] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71FD81001FF; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:14:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:14:13 -0500 References: <539CF063-87BC-4D62-955D-1D7F2CF09AFD@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin definitions=2020-06-21_11:2020-06-19, 2020-06-21 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=846 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2006210136 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Has anyone used fix-a-floor? 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Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2988384387359592555== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MWHPR06MB31519094A0E94F680E2A74BDA8830MWHPR06MB3151namp_" --_000_MWHPR06MB31519094A0E94F680E2A74BDA8830MWHPR06MB3151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave it on= there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a charger if it = won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for saving = the battery I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. I h= ave brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank t= he engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more and= now they work great even in the cold winter months. What they claim it do= es, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventuall= y kills the battery. I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as = a precaution. The dying batteries are still running strong. Jack --_000_MWHPR06MB31519094A0E94F680E2A74BDA8830MWHPR06MB3151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.  L= eave it on there for at least a week.  You may need to boost it with a= charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best = bet for saving the battery

I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. = ; I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely cr= ank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a w= eek or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it does, is break down the sulfa= te growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery.

I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as = a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running strong.

Jack

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That's an option.  What else do they have in Salt Lake City?  Oh, yeah, salt.  ;-)

Seriously, lava, crushed concrete, anything that will pack tightly and won't dissolve in the the rain would work best.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>; shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2020 7:15 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool shed foundation?



On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:20 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
On 6/11/20 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Used crushed limestone, it will pack to a stable base.  Pea gravel
> will flow and will not be as stable.  Ask me how I know.
>

Hmm, not a lot of limestone here in Utah.


Crushed lava?
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Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" , Steve Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0241249555638968484== --000000000000e9070f05a859c32b On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: > Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the face > of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection. > More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. > > Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone has > been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while also... > > > > *https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/* > > When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I can't figure that part out. --000000000000e9070f05a859c32b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM <<= a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me.=C2=A0 The wood is the face of the fence.=C2=A0 The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust collection.

More specifically, I think a joiner fe= nce.=C2=A0 Note that one fence is adjustable to account for material remove= d by the tool.
=C2=A0

Now, if you want a hard one, here = is one I've had for years that noone has been able to figure out.=C2=A0 It= 's been on this redit for a while also...


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/= azmg9j/friend_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/

When I saw it, I thought "a ji= g for winding motor or generator field coils".=C2=A0 =C2=A0But if it w= as that, why the set screw?=C2=A0 You would need it to be able to reset to = the same spot easily every time you remove a finished coil.=C2=A0 So, meant= to hold something by the top of the arms?=C2=A0 They look kind of pointy s= harp.=C2=A0 But then why is it cylindrical?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I can't figure = that part out.
--000000000000e9070f05a859c32b-- --===============0241249555638968484== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0241249555638968484==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 13:37:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C49A0F5D for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4019FA0CB0 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id lxvWjDndX5tuZlxvWjyZbf; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:02:10 -0700 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:117 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9yD2iGtCAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PjuYqXk4AAAA:8 a=cJRB-H7TeDZy8edXUVMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=d6DEu_Dm0q2tBwOfh6EA:9 a=9T6HM7hBymTf9QrP:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=fXNj_fZzpRBSmb4Y5jhv:22 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 From: "Steve" To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , References: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:02:10 -0700 Organization: LeatherPlates.com Importance: Normal yKj4DlItkj0s38BxJMUfaVzHDT9lCk5x9Q5TS1xd+vAWh+5Ta2Dsz62Dbs3CgbO8edSz0BteBVM1ZARXfkBfa4hkj30YHbr+jDyBETjxPjhUvpgCZIX1h209 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2742444821691002311== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01D64557.8882C0B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D64557.8882C0B0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router. = I=E2=80=99m leaning to the joiner fence theory,=20 but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated = tool for a specific function. Question: is there any Shop Talk members that can use it? I=E2=80=99d = gladly mail it to anybody that=20 wants it for the cost of shipping. Anybody? Let me know. Steve Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Jeff Scarbrough=20 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM To: eric@megageek.com=20 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net ; Steve=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the = face of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust = collection.=20 More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is = adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone = has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while = also...=20 = https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_thi= s_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/=20 When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field = coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to = be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a = finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? = They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I = can't figure that part out. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D64557.8882C0B0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for = joiner/shaper/router.  I=E2=80=99m=20 leaning to the joiner fence theory,
but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small = dedicated tool=20 for a specific function.
 
Question:  is there any Shop Talk members that can use = it?  I=E2=80=99d=20 gladly mail it to anybody that
wants it for the cost of shipping.   Anybody?  Let = me=20 know.
Steve
 
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA
www.leatherplates.com


Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to=20 determine..........
 
 
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM=20 <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Looks like a fence for a shaper/router = table to=20 me.  The wood is the face of the fence.  The pin that sticks = up is=20 for the cap/dust collection.
 
More specifically, I think a joiner fence.  Note that one = fence is=20 adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.
 

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one = I've had for=20 years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this = redit=20 for a while also...



https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/frie= nd_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/
 
When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator = field=20 coils".   But if it was that, why the set screw?  You = would need=20 it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a = finished=20 coil.  So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms?  = They look=20 kind of pointy sharp.  But then why is it cylindrical?   = I can't=20 figure that part = out.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. > I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely > crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week > or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months. I have a Noco Genius 7200 charger, and it works reasonably well for that, there are times that you need to charge on the 6V setting long enough for the charger to find enough life in the battery to 'recondition' from. 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9187441217419683563== --000000000000107c7e05a89d5597 This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal. When it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of the cells. Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up. I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" battery. On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks wrote: > Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave it > on there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a charger if > it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your best bet for > saving the battery > > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. I > have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely crank > the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week or more > and now they work great even in the cold winter months. What they claim it > does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, which is what > eventually kills the battery. > > I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as > a precaution. The dying batteries are still running strong. > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000107c7e05a89d5597 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His s= olution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to= short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.=C2=A0 When it was ful= ly discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out = of the cells.=C2=A0 Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back u= p.=C2=A0 I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exac= tly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a= "dead" battery.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <<= a href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live.com">jibrooks@live.com> wrote:
Yes=C2=A0 a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet.=C2=A0 L= eave it on there for at least a week.=C2=A0 You may need to boost it with a= charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your b= est bet for saving the battery

I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,.=C2= =A0 I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely = crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a= week or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.=C2=A0 What they claim it does, is break down the sulfa= te growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the battery.

I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year as = a precaution.=C2=A0 The dying batteries are still running strong.

Jack

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--000000000000107c7e05a89d5597-- --===============9187441217419683563== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9187441217419683563==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 14:57:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B56A1028 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.178.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C29A0F74 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20CA6100006; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 20:53:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:53:04 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <20200610150445.GA19107@panix.com> <4396193D-B5FC-4E20-9439-E4724176C225@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Resurecting a totaly dead battery ? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2546824881646700921== boundary="Apple-Mail=_F21E0F0A-FB72-4B6C-AC7E-4783C12A4C51" --Apple-Mail=_F21E0F0A-FB72-4B6C-AC7E-4783C12A4C51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I've heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if = that was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen = that no one wanted to follow. jim > On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough = wrote: >=20 > This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His solution for = batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, was to short = the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal. When it was fully = discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the sediment out of = the cells. Then fill it with distilled water, and charge it back up. = I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't understand exactly how this = works, but I saw it work at least once to extend the life of a "dead" = battery. >=20 > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks Yes a battery tender or battery minder would be you best bet. Leave = it on there for at least a week. You may need to boost it with a = charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but that is your = best bet for saving the battery=20 >=20 > I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the tender,. = I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that would barely = crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle for a week = or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months. What = they claim it does, is break down the sulfate growth between cells, = which is what eventually kills the battery. >=20 > I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a = year as a precaution. The dying batteries are still running strong. >=20 > Jack >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F21E0F0A-FB72-4B6C-AC7E-4783C12A4C51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I've = heard of people putting EDTA into batteries, but I don't know if that = was a fad or needs to work in conjunction with a charging regimen that = no one wanted to follow.

jim

On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Scarbrough = <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:

This reminds me of an older mechanic I worked with...His = solution for batteries, in the days when you could take the caps off, = was to short the terminals with a big heavy chunk of metal.  When = it was fully discharged, he'd turn it upside down and rinse all the = sediment out of the cells.  Then fill it with distilled water, and = charge it back up.  I'm an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't = understand exactly how this works, but I saw it work at least once to = extend the life of a "dead" battery.

On Sun, Jun = 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live.com> wrote:
Yes  a battery tender or battery minder would be you best = bet.  Leave it on there for at least a week.  You may need to = boost it with a charger if it won't get started for to lie voltage, but = that is your best bet for saving the battery

I use a BatteryMinder, likely the same basic circuitry as the = tender,.  I have brought back some really weak batteries, some that = would barely crank the engine over by leaving them on that "pulse" cycle = for a week or more and now they work great even in the cold winter months.  What they claim it does, is break down the = sulfate growth between cells, which is what eventually kills the = battery.

I usually put every battery in the garage on it for a day or two a year = as a precaution.  The dying batteries are still running = strong.

Jack

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= --Apple-Mail=_F21E0F0A-FB72-4B6C-AC7E-4783C12A4C51-- --===============2546824881646700921== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2546824881646700921==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 22 08:49:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1313AA1406 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC55A08D8 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:26:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id n6Y6jnmVwPsLmn6Y6jGlRt; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:26:42 -0700 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:117 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9yD2iGtCAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PjuYqXk4AAAA:8 a=opz3Q2uKAAAA:8 a=j0q2F3tdacXZq5EPN9UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=VKFGeLW88ls3XTWy5rwA:9 a=n5lQL-2dLGSrQqaY:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=fXNj_fZzpRBSmb4Y5jhv:22 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=DQIldrsZ01UbLmtnA5Yr:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=xoEH_sTeL_Rfw54TyV31:22 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Steve" , "Jeff Scarbrough" , References: <6161F112261A4DEBA127B304650DB983@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:26:42 -0700 Importance: Normal klpDiQTN3t6BgwVAy3aaSourp3JTK22DAqgIcM9DwovVGL/ZtTesuW3vq79A7VIHRL0XzEwuM+Tbu9vI4yCmvoU4PMoOXgTPbu+w/ze2IOGCQ8ei4sX/Xzyr RAdfYNLDDw6u0Z3MfpswmVN+tAjE/IOhkhdefzqC4fA= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3122313086521764699== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01D647CF.9A1BE4D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D647CF.9A1BE4D0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taken, and it apparently is for a pin router. Thanks Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Steve=20 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:02 AM To: Jeff Scarbrough ; eric@megageek.com=20 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for joiner/shaper/router. = I=E2=80=99m leaning to the joiner fence theory,=20 but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small dedicated = tool for a specific function. Question: is there any Shop Talk members that can use it? I=E2=80=99d = gladly mail it to anybody that=20 wants it for the cost of shipping. Anybody? Let me know. Steve Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Jeff Scarbrough=20 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM To: eric@megageek.com=20 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net ; Steve=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to determine.......... On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM wrote: Looks like a fence for a shaper/router table to me. The wood is the = face of the fence. The pin that sticks up is for the cap/dust = collection.=20 More specifically, I think a joiner fence. Note that one fence is = adjustable to account for material removed by the tool. Now, if you want a hard one, here is one I've had for years that noone = has been able to figure out. It's been on this redit for a while = also...=20 = https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/friend_found_thi= s_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/=20 When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator field = coils". But if it was that, why the set screw? You would need it to = be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a = finished coil. So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms? = They look kind of pointy sharp. But then why is it cylindrical? I = can't figure that part out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D647CF.9A1BE4D0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Taken, and it apparently is for a pin router.
Thanks
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA
www.leatherplates.com


From: Steve
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:02 AM
To: Jeff Scarbrough ; eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to=20 determine..........
I agree that it=E2=80=99s a table top tool for = joiner/shaper/router.  I=E2=80=99m=20 leaning to the joiner fence theory,
but possibly useful for a custom tool build, maybe a small = dedicated tool=20 for a specific function.
 
Question:  is there any Shop Talk members that can use = it?  I=E2=80=99d=20 gladly mail it to anybody that
wants it for the cost of shipping.   Anybody?  Let = me=20 know.
Steve
 
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA
www.leatherplates.com


Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trying to=20 determine..........
 
 
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:24 AM=20 <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Looks like a fence for a shaper/router = table to=20 me.  The wood is the face of the fence.  The pin that sticks = up is=20 for the cap/dust collection.
 
More specifically, I think a joiner fence.  Note that one = fence is=20 adjustable to account for material removed by the tool.
 

Now, if you want a hard one, here is one = I've had for=20 years that noone has been able to figure out.  It's been on this = redit=20 for a while also...


https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/azmg9j/frie= nd_found_this_in_a_auction_with_a_bunch_of/
 
When I saw it, I thought "a jig for winding motor or generator = field=20 coils".   But if it was that, why the set screw?  You = would need=20 it to be able to reset to the same spot easily every time you remove a = finished=20 coil.  So, meant to hold something by the top of the arms?  = They look=20 kind of pointy sharp.  But then why is it cylindrical?   = I can't=20 figure that part out.


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To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: need a (horn) relay Thread-Index: AQHWSjUMpn+UQRmbTUqSjzCEQoAHMg== Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:41:46 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:2277A13A249AD31CF5A5013312C180D85DCBEF679DBB58890EB0DA0370E4E65A; UpperCasedChecksum:71EF1603FEF13D381C483CF753DD2AEC9844A28D38FE9C9001D13B61B6E547C1; SizeAsReceived:6617; Count:41 x-tmn: [KsofbJ+Mf5rzcFTSo+BCWvvOvsiTS2Es] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b717830d-1e7a-42d9-66bc-08d8184cb892 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM02HT102: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: JIpA8sYJZ70/EYpkmZ7lksEGSFFEOyi7oSRQmLA2d+GT4s1aMmWmTQ28gB3iNmat/jKkTrvWGihIcs+LxS4JQZ/RQwkXO5WbxkNHwCUQ4O/Bl4LMJUpGamYfUUZPj9BWmNV+K+2ffY6KRsJU9TE7boMxXAQ81ipw4RWAVhdwn1j9hndm3EKb6s75a9wBEOHWSemOsVHL2Jsagv4RFMX94WKSajK1pzaYUxuVtJkSFOfBqsrQZzPalD67GtUnqyv0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:0; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DM5PR0401MB3670.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: SblyOQFb5oz2wyst+4jIiRpS6eZOGVHcm4BG9QoyjJlXOsoq+r8EIlOIXRKYrmr77X5MtNIosqdWj+Re1E+HyR/vAsNTvRpuAnwifdVk/LihMn9YVKOiQREuW0s0zdeenLLgp1ltxk1HiYkeCpFK7g== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6319341680645091776== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM5PR0401MB3670D1181785FDC0FC662CC8B4950DM5PR0401MB3670_" --_000_DM5PR0401MB3670D1181785FDC0FC662CC8B4950DM5PR0401MB3670_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: https://w= ww.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie= =3DUTF8&psc=3D1 Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad= -boy-air-horn/wol-419/ but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine ho= rn? I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what= I'd need for the marine horn. Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some= suggestions. thanks all tim --_000_DM5PR0401MB3670D1181785FDC0FC662CC8B4950DM5PR0401MB3670_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:  = ;https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0= 7VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. 

I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.c= om/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/  = but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?

I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but= would have no idea what I'd need for the marine horn. 

Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "= skills" so am hoping for some suggestions. 

thanks all
tim 
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According to the specs, the relay you have should be good = for 30 amps.=C2=A0 That should be plenty for any horn.

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--00000000000034db2905a8d58fe8-- --===============3430284804199620702== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3430284804199620702==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 24 09:03:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6CEA25B4 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta016.useast.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [34.195.253.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B3CA25A2 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.211]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id o31vjWdtYxItlo6vijXIMR; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:03:14 +0000 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.210]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id o6vfjqPy8XBMVo6vij1vzo; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:03:14 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:117 a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:17 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=MRponUsiAAAA:8 a=6ftClZR5AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=iVAur8Dain9WPuw0DX4A:9 a=KsWHp1UOSUHKvNCm:21 a=PF8Q-mO6jaN-PVau:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=OMgL4o7YbNUA:10 a=1EIcqruZP5UA:10 a=GGwxkeRKJ0dr3Umyi5gA:9 a=GDmMjWWrApht69Za:21 a=zWDg5mfM0PzTLC16:21 a=99v5uKMvjSadErJg:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=a8kgsvnwE4C4ICedE3Na:22 a=cUJsDZfxYcd8FeX6hZ9g:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 11:03:08 -0400 To: "Tim ." From: "John T. Blair" amprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: uURDm9FbB8My3Ug7QmIpPPeLpFM7cBFGzkFo1hVVKJhbpab09jDQrhEsiJcPUwPRpYfFuCYX0/tblW217lL5KoLtTCF7UvANeWPYBDs6MNpyJCy7+ZMYzCBs /+al3Urs+iYyhHEq3TRdaA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3375683537279366323== boundary="=====================_11329073==.ALT" --=====================_11329073==.ALT At 10:41 AM 6/24/2020, Tim . wrote: >I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: >https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. Tim, That's not a problem. >I have the relay that came with this horn: > https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/ >but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn? Yes it will work, IF you are NOT using that horn with the marine horn. I see that your older horn draws 16amps so the 30A relay is great. But I didn't see anything it the ad for the marine horn as to how much current it requires. So my guess would be, it will draw about the same or a little more than your older horn. >I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what I'd >need for the marine horn. Any 12V 30Amp or greater relay will work. I like the "Bosch" type automotive relays, similar to this: https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html You should be able to get some thing at your local automotive part store. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_11329073==.ALT At 10:41 AM 6/24/2020, Tim . wrote:

>I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay.

Tim,

That's not a problem. 

>I have the relay that came with this horn:
> https ://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/
>but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?

Yes it will work, IF you are NOT using that horn with the marine horn. 

I see that your older horn draws 16amps so the 30A relay is great.  But I didn't
see anything it the ad for the marine horn as to how much current it requires.
So my guess would be, it will draw about the same or a little more than your older
horn.

>I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what I'd
>need for the marine horn.

Any 12V 30Amp or greater relay will work.  I like the "Bosch" type automotive
relays, similar to this:

https://www.allelectronics.com/item/rly-351/12vdc-spdt-40a-automotive-relay/1.html

You should be able to get some thing at your local automotive part store.

John




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Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4549700633627189298== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MW2PR07MB39782DD132285AFE0FFF5DEABB950MW2PR07MB3978namp_" --_000_MW2PR07MB39782DD132285AFE0FFF5DEABB950MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained a= ll over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can u= se a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem with= it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so. Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the= road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's= all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice, especially= when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to= turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug! Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jimmie Mayf= ield Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus? Gimmicky or are they worth it? I'm toying with the idea of putting one on my 4Runner. The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. What do you say? J _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive family@msn.com --_000_MW2PR07MB39782DD132285AFE0FFF5DEABB950MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 = F-150. With the old plug the oil drained all over the cross member. I = got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can use a short piece of vinyl ho= se and direct the oil. Never had a problem with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.


Back when I was doing oil changes= and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the road semi trucks, I installed th= em on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's all the time. Never a problem. I= t really made oil changes nice, especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to= turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug!


Brian Warrick

Nampa, ID




From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+= ;shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain?
 
What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fum= oto and Stahlbus? 
Gimmicky or are they worth it?  I'm toying with the idea of putting on= e
on my 4Runner.  The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not to= o
concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be
putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.

What do you say?


J

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To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: need a (horn) relay Thread-Index: AQHWSjUMpn+UQRmbTUqSjzCEQoAHMqjoHTdA Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:54:50 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:720D2CAE1D77D1185093E1E590235971A79DF5AC95D6842DC4321AC486ACE6DE; UpperCasedChecksum:10B2D9EDCE91F5E23A5B4BF0BDAD956912E8369EE1C17C9EA4F55505531E8A4A; SizeAsReceived:7032; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [jNmSxsJ+i5CF059Uj0W/g3wdOHnRKhMFsiKgX2XDY6ZgTS882HJRuSlqOuWIJEDrfWd4VeR6X7M=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 3f6d7d39-3e3c-4755-6e72-08d8187012a1 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN8NAM12HT119: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: e5m6ZNwv0RNww66tCxHTJpL1CSGpeQHjAUMm/DjfE9idOy6aMMiLqpsXG6y26cNSDVsBEl3AcKvDACvAdu0V/Qn43U1JwiDVzrYCiL0qPPwPyQNhGprkwov2/rp72N/ct6f4ySQf1CLJM/rmqa+Zbp1kXoo7caLZeqxRO3S44XvaJlVRn4k4Dc1ZobrHhg+35zKeztuwDSJbhPn1eDdG7hg5uF7A4MFK3716+nqPEcHi5NXx4qSey+8ut+oYLpIj x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:0; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DM5PR0401MB3670.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 0BNfdh0f1OF5D4koR1EUrdHKOdGduW4NWOhp/nZvRu9tSTpGvCZJroOv+N4dwbkBX3gUjGidwTOzfQ4a5svybaxVZbcKY1Kbh2YWk5ZYXrar/7Uvv87jdH1HUa4yixgGLTus7g0g0zEZYHrnALFjdb22ILTbBWAZ4uE4mXwfDEGNC49ZbNC4QQuGuYCGrX/oOp72T4OBsv95K/gv4RHTNQ== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1009008008347129641== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM5PR0401MB3670BF10BE3E057E640210DCB4950DM5PR0401MB3670_" --_000_DM5PR0401MB3670BF10BE3E057E640210DCB4950DM5PR0401MB3670_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks guys. I was hoping to not have to buy anything else. (that bad boy h= orn was a frelling horrible high pitches POS of a horn btw) ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:41 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn: https://w= ww.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2RYF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie= =3DUTF8&psc=3D1 Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/wolo-bad= -boy-air-horn/wol-419/ but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine ho= rn? I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would have no idea what= I'd need for the marine horn. Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills" so am hoping for some= suggestions. thanks all tim --_000_DM5PR0401MB3670BF10BE3E057E640210DCB4950DM5PR0401MB3670_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks guys. I was hoping to not have to buy anything else. (that bad = boy horn was a frelling horrible high pitches POS of a horn btw)


From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outl= ook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:41 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] need a (horn) relay
 
I have a 71 Jeep Gladiator in which I plan to install this horn:  = ;https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VJ2R= YF9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

Unfortunately, the marine horn didn't come with a relay. 

I have the relay that came with this horn: https://realtruck.com/p/= wolo-bad-boy-air-horn/wol-419/  but I wonder if it will work for/with the marine horn?

I don't care if I have to buy a different relay but would h= ave no idea what I'd need for the marine horn. 

Automotive electrical is beyond my wrenching "skills&q= uot; so am hoping for some suggestions. 

thanks all
tim 
--_000_DM5PR0401MB3670BF10BE3E057E640210DCB4950DM5PR0401MB3670_-- --===============1009008008347129641== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1009008008347129641==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 24 18:20:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A20A292C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f178.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E626DA0A6A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f178.google.com with SMTP id h19so4507654ljg.13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:19:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xQRRifohlIZnhaUiswKCg8Fw9mRWHJz1WMVbdqTIl9c=; b=XalGOAqR3QXZ2t/qvI97wXNESU98LS+vUHNH2RjfMH3HjFlw0p7TUEmB7WuHDfWLoW 4He00R3NcYfnrjNJe4x3G7sckb7SI2spzNwGBUtt2pKXaeZQPS0u8ImVgbo4tTTWvhbJ b216uMgkRSCJJZaIFuruXIXGJExZrOqoIbGi1e+Jn4IGahaEdrLqqMTCjNpjXEtTzOUP 0IrjNxuCl5Mik2kZyNFkCHHDlw1NawJQVdtazwUO7dSxAFljV8oF1/CzzIJALohujs0A MNM1E90/of43mgwfnaP1mfRbAL1yFzrf1ETxh2ApqDIwGEW+am3q+sLMtzcGUgAeolc1 Xy/Q== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xQRRifohlIZnhaUiswKCg8Fw9mRWHJz1WMVbdqTIl9c=; b=Z8BudS08p911cXvGo2SIyOHfTr28beXp79DKZn52Nn9g9xHMLrZBuTApmlK3ul56yk f3Nyl5/ryyDJYRbYsvYEYhJnJdOsNF9Ns/6Pi6l/IBASS3QYi0melE06kTJfXf4pf6Cy zPu7/q+oVB6gdY8L+M90ZIBATaBuSKWNT7FdgBUjMUmGKk+LlggaeKb6TYluUtj+ROYa 5JFlMNrYaMcpDghSAgKmv7rjX2d+wJL/gttFkA0/lNLLayAOrmi8b43QFm8b4PnT9v4C EFF4KUQWciscbM8e+mXmUI07LADCAhEhlt0rQN1UANKuFLsuJanztHC5EP8k4ZMD4fmD oCHg== 8P6CCxAsnQ9nCoToldaPG1FIt62IkYIgFAu0Q1EHvg== Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:19:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <42b81026-dd98-35fe-b452-1c6e3c725ce0@sackheads.org> From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:19:41 -0400 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4193179419679735522== --00000000000069c2f205a8dd8d65 I had a Fumoto on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT, and every mechanic who changed the oil loved it. Never had any leaking or other issues. I did order one for my 2008 Audi S4 Avant, but the one they specified for my car (F106S) did NOT fit. Anyone need one of those? I have it here still, in the bag. M15-1.5, with the 5mm nipple. -Peter On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Brian and Wendy Warrick < maynerdfamily@msn.com> wrote: > I am using the Fumoto on my 1977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained > all over the cross member. I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can > use a short piece of vinyl hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem > with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so. > > > Back when I was doing oil changes and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over > the road semi trucks, I installed them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam > III's all the time. Never a problem. It really made oil changes nice, > especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had > an hour to turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil > plug! > > > Brian Warrick > > Nampa, ID > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Jimmie > Mayfield > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM > *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain? > > What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus? > Gimmicky or are they worth it? I'm toying with the idea of putting one > on my 4Runner. The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm not too > concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be > putting a lot of faith in that plug spring. > > What do you say? > > > J > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/maynerdfamily@msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --00000000000069c2f205a8dd8d65 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a Fumoto on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT, and every mec= hanic who changed the oil loved it. Never had any leaking or other issues.<= div>
I did order one for my 2008 Audi S4 Avant, but the one t= hey specified for my car (F106S) did NOT fit. Anyone need one of those? I h= ave it here still, in the bag. M15-1.5, with the 5mm nipple.=C2=A0

-Peter

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Brian and We= ndy Warrick <maynerdfamily@msn.= com> wrote:

I am using the Fumoto on my 1= 977 F-150. With the old plug the oil drained all over the cross=C2=A0member= . I got the style with the hose nipple. Now I can use a short piece of viny= l hose and direct the oil. Never had a problem with it leaking. It has been on there for 5 years or so.


Back when I was doing oil cha= nges and grease jobs on a fleet of 20 over the road semi trucks, I installe= d them on CAT 3406's and Cummins Big Cam III's all the time. Never = a problem. It really made oil changes nice, especially when they came in straight off the road in the summer and I had an hour to= turn it around. 200 degree oil is no fun with a standard oil plug!


Brian Warrick

Nampa, ID




From= : Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jimmie= Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:13 AM
To: Sh= op-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Oil drain plugs: Traditional vs quick-drain?
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What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like Fumoto and Stahlbus= ?=C2=A0
Gimmicky or are they worth it?=C2=A0 I'm toying with the idea of puttin= g one
on my 4Runner.=C2=A0 The oil pan is protected by a skid plate so I'm no= t too
concerned about debris snagging the plug but it does seem like I'd be <= br> putting a lot of faith in that plug spring.

What do you say?


J

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any of you guys use a battery operated fan  (= dewalt, Milwaukee, etc)   What run time do you get on a stan= dard 18 or 20 volt battery...  thinking about car shows
and keeping my wife comfortable.  Got the can= opy, the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are st= iflingly hot...
 
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Had Fumoto plugs since the 90s. Their springs are = solid. Never had a problem... You will drain out a little less oil since the = threaded portion of the plug remains in the pan = and the effective relative height of the opening = is higher off the "floor" of the pan - but it's minimal. At 06/24/2020 at 12:13, Shakespearean monkeys = danced on Jimmie Mayfield's keyboard and said: >What's the consensus on quick-drain plugs like = >Fumoto and Stahlbus?=C2 Gimmicky or are they = >worth it?=C2 I'm toying with the idea of putting = >one on my 4Runner.=C2 The oil pan is protected by = >a skid plate so I'm not too concerned about = >debris snagging the plug but it does seem like = >I'd be putting a lot of faith in that plug = >spring. What do you say? J = >_______________________________________________ = >Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: = >http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual = >donation $12.96 Archive: = >http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = >http://autox.team.net/archive = >Unsubscribe/Manage: = >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rbeels@yahoo.com Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 26 11:04:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578BBA2EDF for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 11:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032EA2DF7 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 11:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id i3so11103303ljg.3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:03:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zSjJs/EWavkPuf7amWGFlu9tp++hNjXrqOEYc95ad7s=; b=U/rJ/D6fNoB6wJAAXmpAEW1SeIOtXrI6YEOlbAH3a+wCUzeaJoDo9QTq5sSx9tDADq wDfudU25gdKwAK4a8vF+AmPdwDjShfk7Vmb/Eqf0GEx6DwcgZK51VHjD5APqlIarTlEP RAYs1KV+hYAVdOHI/ptStnkL85v7v1w6GcJfS8D+tqTTZ45ROq8V71NaL3CgUB0tARjy hFCGN75yenctdKkdREIZNJMwAp5cCSl7sp1uR2o8UgUQ8GbgmksUMh0k2QTIi6oL7WX7 KynaoZQJxRZSu9OZfAPdExZg0l1jnAfxxvdWPYjOjmP5snvuRFC5LGQF09YgHVKUJVec MV0g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=zSjJs/EWavkPuf7amWGFlu9tp++hNjXrqOEYc95ad7s=; b=O621MRRHO7lY/utfBGSfeGrKWtby0gZ1nFCdy66zcR45K9raqutzrKXxoFl/7ifn1K R9/CWrNE7xwbS3PSL9T+mIhR4o4adVf7eq8H3nd71XsoOQia7joYSUpJL/UDqP9ST58P l3H09UnCiUXe46Z+pvSCsB24SfORcabP8P/lg5sKdErE6PLwJd7FykEEaRTNvnVSfqpz HcdO+QVLIj+sPLrBujiavqoTjXgC+AoMZ6KwMjRp/YuElulxdh8wHKtIJ/LWxF/QJWLr o4SootH87AmEy2cJkgV5wbLQmA0AMA3rRoDcerICXg3omRUEZfrl3+G7Msc8wbMCVKPk K+IQ== TfDP3kII9DCzjPwVXOvos7uC+94S0ymAIPP2AveCHQ== Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:03:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9.ref@johns-desktop> <1UWBLkBUzo.2LZf85xqAu9@johns-desktop> From: Peter Murray Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:03:01 -0400 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5212517872111619156== --00000000000077782305a8ffaf2d I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would probably look at a USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a jump-start pack with USB power). Of course, being the tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connected to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's cooling requirements. -Peter On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM john niolon wrote: > any of you guys use a battery operated fan (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc) > What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery... thinking > about car shows > and keeping my wife comfortable. Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs > but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot... > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --00000000000077782305a8ffaf2d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would pro= bably look at a USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or a j= ump-start pack with USB power).

Of course, being the tre= mendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connected = to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's cooling requirements= .

-Peter

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM joh= n niolon <jniolon@att.net> wro= te:
any of you guys use a battery operated fan=C2=A0 (dew= alt, Milwaukee, etc)=C2=A0=C2=A0 What run time do you get on a standard 18 = or 20 volt battery...=C2=A0 thinking about car shows
and keeping my wife comfortable.=C2=A0 Got the canopy= , the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly= hot...
=C2=A0
john
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Sent: 2020-06-26 9:02:35 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] battey operated fans

any of you guys use a battery operated fan  (dewalt, Milwaukee, etc)   What run time do you get on a standard 18 or 20 volt battery...  thinking about car shows
and keeping my wife comfortable.  Got the canopy, the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly hot...
 
john
 
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Maybe try something like this USB powered mini AC unit:https://www.newegg.co= m/p/0FJ-01RC-00002

You should be able to use i= t with either a car USB adapter or a portable battery pack.
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Miq Millman=C2=A0=C2=A0 miq@bigllama.com
Tualatin, OR=C2=A0 Big Lla= ma Productions


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Pe= ter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail= .com> wrote:
I don't use any battery operated fans, but I would= probably look at a USB-powered fan, and use it with a USB battery pack (or= a jump-start pack with USB power).

Of course, being the= tremendous hack that I am, my first thought was a computer case fan connec= ted to a 12V battery, but I don't know your wife's cooling requirem= ents.

-Peter

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 AM= john niolon <jniol= on@att.net> wrote:
any of you guys use a battery operated fan=C2=A0 (dew= alt, Milwaukee, etc)=C2=A0=C2=A0 What run time do you get on a standard 18 = or 20 volt battery...=C2=A0 thinking about car shows
and keeping my wife comfortable.=C2=A0 Got the canopy= , the cooler and chairs but sometimes those shows on asphalt are stiflingly= hot...
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
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