Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Question about shop pants?

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 07:18:11 -0400

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Eric,

I use a combination of Costco jeans (I think my average is $12/pair) and HF
coveralls. The coveralls were more expensive and less comfortable. The
jeans have an elastic component making them pretty nice to wear.

On Sun, May 10, 2020, 6:59 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <
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> OK, I have to ask what most of you hard working shop guy wear for pants?
>
> No, this isn't a dirty question.  It's just that I burn through shop pants
> fairly quickly.  They mostly rip in the crotch long before they are worn
> out completely.
>
> I switched to Duluth fire hose pants and they seem to be a little better,
> but still not great, and I notice their "No Bull" guarantee has changed a
> lot and isn't so 'no bullish' anymore.
>
> I was wondering what other may have found.
>
> Note, in the past I also purchased the 'pants by the pound' option.  These
> were cheap pants that were part of a uniform service company that can no
> longer be used by them.  They were cheap, but light duty only.
>
> My Army pants work and last pretty well, but they aren't really good for
> welding and such.
>
> Anyone know of any good alternatives?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Eric,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I use =
a combination of Costco jeans (I think my average is $12/pair) and HF cover=
alls. The coveralls were more expensive and less comfortable. The jeans hav=
e an elastic component making them pretty nice to wear.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Sun, May 10, 2020, 6:59 AM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sho=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">OK, I have=
 to ask what most of you hard
working shop guy wear for pants?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">No, this isn&#39;t a dirty questio=
n.=C2=A0 It&#39;s
just that I burn through shop pants fairly quickly.=C2=A0 They mostly rip
in the crotch long before they are worn out completely.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I switched to Duluth fire hose pan=
ts
and they seem to be a little better, but still not great, and I notice
their &quot;No Bull&quot; guarantee has changed a lot and isn&#39;t so &#39=
;no
bullish&#39; anymore. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I was wondering what other may hav=
e
found.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Note, in the past I also purchased=
 the
&#39;pants by the pound&#39; option.=C2=A0 These were cheap pants that were=
 part
of a uniform service company that can no longer be used by them.=C2=A0 They
were cheap, but light duty only.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">My Army pants work and last pretty=
 well,
but they aren&#39;t really good for welding and such.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyone know of any good alternativ=
es?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
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From: Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:24:46 +0100

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I do have overalls (including some =E2=80=98flameproof=E2=80=99 ones =
from a (natural) gas company, which I save for welding jobs) but =
generally I just wear jeans. I don=E2=80=99t buy them specifically for =
this - they start as smart, then normal wear and gradually go to garage =
condition. Sometimes chop them down to shorts for the summer =E2=80=93 =
especially if the knees have gone.

Neil

=20

I use a combination of Costco jeans (I think my average is $12/pair) and =
HF coveralls. The coveralls were more expensive and less comfortable. =
The jeans have an elastic component making them pretty nice to wear. =20

=20

Anyone know of any good alternatives?=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>I do have overalls (including some =
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save for welding jobs) but generally I just wear jeans. I don=E2=80=99t =
buy them specifically for this - they start as smart, then normal wear =
and gradually go to garage condition. Sometimes chop them down to shorts =
for the summer =E2=80=93 especially if the knees have =
gone.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Neil<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
use a combination of Costco jeans (I think my average is $12/pair) and =
HF coveralls. The coveralls were more expensive and less comfortable. =
The jeans have an elastic component making them pretty nice to =
wear.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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From: David Scheidt via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 08:15:16 -0500

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> On May 10, 2020, at 05:53, eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
> OK, I have to ask what most of you hard working shop guy wear for pants?=20=

>=20
> No, this isn't a dirty question.  It's just that I burn through shop pants=
 fairly quickly.  They mostly rip in the crotch long before they are worn ou=
t completely.

I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. They are the same basic design, the b01=
 has a double front (and some are made in the USA).  They=E2=80=99re carpent=
er pants, hammer loop, ruler pocket, screwdriver pocket.   They are high wai=
sted, so easy to move in.=20
 Try a couple sizes, they don=E2=80=99t fit the same as jeans b

>=20
> I switched to Duluth fire hose pants and they seem to be a little better, b=
ut still not great, and I notice their "No Bull" guarantee has changed a lot=
 and isn't so 'no bullish' anymore.

They wouldn=E2=80=99t replace a shoulder bag I got as a gift, because I didn=
=E2=80=99t have a receipt.  The swivel for the shoulder strap used the paint=
 to keep it from coming apart; when it wore through the bag took a spill dow=
n a flight of stairs.  Both swivels were the same, so I think it was just ut=
terly crap.=20=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r>On May 10, 2020, at 05:53, eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sho=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-ser=
if">OK, I have to ask what most of you hard
working shop guy wear for pants?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">No, this isn't a dirty question. &n=
bsp;It's
just that I burn through shop pants fairly quickly. &nbsp;They mostly rip
in the crotch long before they are worn out completely.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. T=
hey are the same basic design, the b01 has a double front (and some are made=
 in the USA). &nbsp;They=E2=80=99re carpenter pants, hammer loop, ruler pock=
et, screwdriver pocket. &nbsp; They are high waisted, so easy to move in.&nb=
sp;<div>&nbsp;Try a couple sizes, they don=E2=80=99t fit the same as jeans b=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I switched to Duluth fire hose pant=
s
and they seem to be a little better, but still not great, and I notice
their "No Bull" guarantee has changed a lot and isn't so 'no
bullish' anymore. </font>
<br><br></div></blockquote><br><div>They wouldn=E2=80=99t replace a shoulder=
 bag I got as a gift, because I didn=E2=80=99t have a receipt. &nbsp;The swi=
vel for the shoulder strap used the paint to keep it from coming apart; when=
 it wore through the bag took a spill down a flight of stairs. &nbsp;Both sw=
ivels were the same, so I think it was just utterly crap.&nbsp;</div></div><=
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From: Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:53:37 -0400

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I second the Carhart recommendation.  I prefer the bib overalls style.
Around here they're called Maryland Tuxedos.

Gene

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:15 AM David Scheidt via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> On May 10, 2020, at 05:53, eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
t>
> No, this isn't a dirty question.  It's just that I burn through shop pant=
s
> I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. They are the same basic design, the
> b01 has a double front (and some are made in the USA).  They=E2=80=99re c=
arpenter
> pants, hammer loop, ruler pocket, screwdriver pocket.   They are high
> waisted, so easy to move in.
> They wouldn=E2=80=99t replace a shoulder bag I got as a gift, because I d=
idn=E2=80=99t
> have a receipt.  The swivel for the shoulder strap used the paint to keep
> it from coming apart; when it wore through the bag took a spill down a
> flight of stairs.  Both swivels were the same, so I think it was just
> utterly crap.
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I second the Carhart re=
commendation.=C2=A0 I prefer the bib overalls style.=C2=A0 Around here they=
&#39;re called Maryland Tuxedos.</div><div><br></div><div>Gene</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun,=
 May 10, 2020 at 9:15 AM David Scheidt via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding=
-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br>On May 10, 2020, at 05:53, eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font=
 face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">OK, I have to ask what most of you hard
working shop guy wear for pants?</font>
<br>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">No, this isn&#39;t a dirty questio=
n.=C2=A0 It&#39;s
just that I burn through shop pants fairly quickly.=C2=A0 They mostly rip
in the crotch long before they are worn out completely.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. =
They are the same basic design, the b01 has a double front (and some are ma=
de in the USA).=C2=A0 They=E2=80=99re carpenter pants, hammer loop, ruler p=
ocket, screwdriver pocket. =C2=A0 They are high waisted, so easy to move in=
.=C2=A0<div>=C2=A0Try a couple sizes, they don=E2=80=99t fit the same as je=
ans b</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">I switched to Duluth fire hose pan=
ts
and they seem to be a little better, but still not great, and I notice
their &quot;No Bull&quot; guarantee has changed a lot and isn&#39;t so &#39=
;no
bullish&#39; anymore. </font>
<br><br></div></blockquote><br><div>They wouldn=E2=80=99t replace a shoulde=
r bag I got as a gift, because I didn=E2=80=99t have a receipt.=C2=A0 The s=
wivel for the shoulder strap used the paint to keep it from coming apart; w=
hen it wore through the bag took a spill down a flight of stairs.=C2=A0 Bot=
h swivels were the same, so I think it was just utterly crap.=C2=A0</div></=
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I'm on my fourth or fifth pair (set?) of Dickies all-cotton coveralls; 
lots of pockets--a couple with zippers--hammer loop, sleeve and leg 
snaps.  A little warm in the summer, but durable as all heck and 
breathable (I might try the short-sleeved version someday).

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On 5/10/2020 7:53 AM, Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk wrote:
>
>
> I second the Carhart recommendation.  I prefer the bib overalls 
> style.  Around here they're called Maryland Tuxedos.
>
> Gene
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:15 AM David Scheidt via Shop-talk 
>
>
>
>     On May 10, 2020, at 05:53, eric--- via Shop-talk
>
>>     No, this isn't a dirty question.  It's just that I burn through
>>     shop pants fairly quickly. They mostly rip in the crotch long
>>     before they are worn out completely.
>
>     I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. They are the same basic
>     design, the b01 has a double front (and some are made in the
>     USA).  They’re carpenter pants, hammer loop, ruler pocket,
>     screwdriver pocket.   They are high waisted, so easy to move in.
>      Try a couple sizes, they don’t fit the same as jeans b
>
>
>
>>
>>     I switched to Duluth fire hose pants and they seem to be a little
>>     better, but still not great, and I notice their "No Bull"
>>     guarantee has changed a lot and isn't so 'no bullish' anymore.
>>
>

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    I'm on my fourth or fifth pair (set?) of Dickies all-cotton
    coveralls; lots of pockets--a couple with zippers--hammer loop,
    sleeve and leg snaps.  A little warm in the summer, but durable as
    all heck and breathable (I might try the short-sleeved version
    someday).  <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/10/2020 7:53 AM, Gene Abbondelo
      via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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        <div>I second the Carhart recommendation.  I prefer the bib
          overalls style.  Around here they're called Maryland Tuxedos.</div>
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        <div>Gene</div>
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                <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, I
                    have to ask what most of you hard
                    working shop guy wear for pants?</font>
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                  <font size="2" face="sans-serif">No, this isn't a
                    dirty question.  It's
                    just that I burn through shop pants fairly quickly. 
                    They mostly rip
                    in the crotch long before they are worn out
                    completely.</font>
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              I wear carhart b11 and b01 trousers. They are the same
              basic design, the b01 has a double front (and some are
              made in the USA).  They’re carpenter pants, hammer loop,
              ruler pocket, screwdriver pocket.   They are high waisted,
              so easy to move in. 
              <div> Try a couple sizes, they don’t fit the same as jeans
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                    <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I switched to
                      Duluth fire hose pants
                      and they seem to be a little better, but still not
                      great, and I notice
                      their "No Bull" guarantee has changed a lot and
                      isn't so 'no
                      bullish' anymore. </font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:38:10 -0400

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> OK, I have to ask what most of you hard working shop guy wear for pants?

Once or twice a year, I go tot he outlet mall.  First I hit the Clearance
rack at the Lee Jeans place,  and stock up on jeans that may or may not
have an irregularity for about $8 to $10 a pair.  Wear them to work until
they are less presentable, then they graduate to the shop, then they are
painting clothes.

After that store, I hit the Ryobi outlet.  Then I get the heck out of
there, because it's a crazy place.

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From: Richard Beels via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 11:33:54 -0400

+1 for the carhart carpenter pants.  i just lost my last pair when 
the ER nurses cut them off me a few weeks ago.  I was stupid: fell 12 
feet and broke my pelvis is a few places.  I bought a few pairs on 
sale from don't remember where but they are a buy once cry once kind 
of price.  but i'll be buying them again.

They lasted 2-3 years for me - garage stuff, welding, digging 
trenches, logging, construction, etc...  - not all day every day use, 
say, maybe 25-30 hours per week - but they hold up really well.  I 
cut the bottom hem off since I use them in the woods and they don't 
fall apart like other jeans do.  And I have the same problem with the 
crotch wearing out on jeans, but these don't have that problem..

At 05/10/2020 at 06:53, Shakespearean monkeys danced on eric--- via 
Shop-talk's keyboard and said:
>No, this isn't a dirty question.  It's just that I burn through shop 
>pants fairly quickly.  They mostly rip in the crotch long before 
>they are worn out completely.
>
>better, but still not great, and I notice their "No Bull" guarantee 
>has changed a lot and isn't so 'no bullish' anymore.
>
>Note, in the past I also purchased the 'pants by the pound' 
>option.  These were cheap pants that were part of a uniform service 
>company that can no longer be used by them.  They were cheap, but 
>light duty only.
>
>My Army pants work and last pretty well, but they aren't really good 
>for welding and such.
>

Cheers!

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