Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights

From: Darrell Walker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:01:41 -0700

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-Darrell

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, =
and have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them.  =
There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - on1 - =
on2 - on1&2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=99d like =
to come up with a more attractive solution.  Ideally, I would like to =
convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to a fog/driving =
light switch.  My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary switch (something =
like this one, but hopefully I can find something more attractive: =
https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8)=
 and a pair of latching relays.  The tricky part is that I=E2=80=99d =
need the relays to latch on with the first pulse and turn off with the =
second.  So, up once to turn on the fog light, down once to turn on the =
driving light.  Up or down a second time to turn off either light.  =
Hopefully, that makes sense.
>=20
> Does anyone know if such a relay exists?  If not, is there a simple =
circuit that would make a standard relay work as described?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jim
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class=3D"">-Darrell<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 30, 2020, at 1:28 PM, =
Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">I =
have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, and =
have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them. =
&nbsp;There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - =
on1 - on2 - on1&amp;2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=99=
d like to come up with a more attractive solution. &nbsp;Ideally, I =
would like to convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to =
a fog/driving light switch. &nbsp;My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary =
switch (something like this one, but hopefully I can find something more =
attractive: <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B00=
0LFVFA8" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/=
B000LFVFA8</a>) and a pair of latching relays. &nbsp;The tricky part is =
that I=E2=80=99d need the relays to latch on with the first pulse and =
turn off with the second. &nbsp;So, up once to turn on the fog light, =
down once to turn on the driving light. &nbsp;Up or down a second time =
to turn off either light. &nbsp;Hopefully, that makes sense.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Does anyone know if such a relay exists? =
&nbsp;If not, is there a simple circuit that would make a standard relay =
work as described?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br =
class=3D"">Jim<br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:19:48 -0400

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It sure does!  I figured such a thing had to exist somewhere, but never =
knew what to call it.  Now I know I need a "Flip-Flop Bistable =
Self-locking Trigger Switch Board=E2=80=9D.  Thanks!

But, I don=E2=80=99t know; $2.75 delivered from China seems like an =
awful lot of money!  :)

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Darrell Walker <[email-masked]> =
and have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them.  =
There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - on1 - =
on2 - on1&2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=99d like =
to come up with a more attractive solution.  Ideally, I would like to =
convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to a fog/driving =
light switch.  My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary switch (something =
like this one, but hopefully I can find something more attractive: =
https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8 =
<https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8=
>) and a pair of latching relays.  The tricky part is that I=E2=80=99d =

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">It =
sure does! &nbsp;I figured such a thing had to exist somewhere, but =
never knew what to call it. &nbsp;Now I know I need a "Flip-Flop =
Bistable Self-locking Trigger Switch Board=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;Thanks!<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But, I don=E2=80=99t =
know; $2.75 delivered from China seems like an awful lot of money! =
&nbsp;:)<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Darrell Walker =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>This looks like it might be what you want:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ebay.com/i/282960969172?chn=3Dps&amp;norover=3D1&amp;m=
kevt=3D1&amp;mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&amp;mkcid=3D2&amp;itemid=3D2829609=
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IP1_D_BwE" =
class=3D"">https://www.ebay.com/i/282960969172?chn=3Dps&amp;norover=3D1&am=
p;mkevt=3D1&amp;mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&amp;mkcid=3D2&amp;itemid=3D2829=
60969172&amp;targetid=3D883510870202&amp;device=3Dc&amp;mktype=3Dpla&amp;g=
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93913847756&amp;rlsatarget=3Dpla-883510870202&amp;abcId=3D1145977&amp;merc=
hantid=3D101712989&amp;gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIuMrQz4WR6QIVjh6tBh0C2gLvEAQYAyA=
BEgIP1_D_BwE</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">-Darrell<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
30, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">I =
have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, and =
have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them. =
&nbsp;There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - =
on1 - on2 - on1&amp;2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=99=
d like to come up with a more attractive solution. &nbsp;Ideally, I =
would like to convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to =
a fog/driving light switch. &nbsp;My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary =
switch (something like this one, but hopefully I can find something more =
attractive: <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B00=
0LFVFA8" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/=
B000LFVFA8</a>) and a pair of latching relays. &nbsp;The tricky part is =
that I=E2=80=99d need the relays to latch on with the first pulse and =
turn off with the second. &nbsp;So, up once to turn on the fog light, =
down once to turn on the driving light. &nbsp;Up or down a second time =
to turn off either light. &nbsp;Hopefully, that makes sense.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Does anyone know if such a relay exists? =
&nbsp;If not, is there a simple circuit that would make a standard relay =
work as described?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br =
class=3D"">Jim<br =
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From: john niolon via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:39:02 -0500

Hi Jim   I did something similar with a electrically operated hood on my 
truck project...  double pole double throw switch...   power feeds on center 
contacts.  Up relay is fed from upper  two contacts when switch is moved up 
and the  down is fed from lower two contacts when the switch is down. 
Center position of switch is off on both.   The upper and lower contacts 
would feed standard auto relays   BUT you can't have both on at the same 
time with this setup.,,.,.

these guys can set you up with pretty stuff and even label them the way you 
want... I used them in my truck for doors/windows/hood actuators 
https://rockerswitchpros.com/

john

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:28 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights

I have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, and 
have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them.  There was a 
period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - on1 - on2 - on1&2) and 
I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I’d like to come up with a more 
attractive solution.  Ideally, I would like to convert an unnecessary toggle 
switch space on the dash to a fog/driving light switch.  My hope is to put 
in a DPDT momentary switch (something like this one, but hopefully I can 
find something more attractive: 
https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8) 
and a pair of latching relays.  The tricky part is that I’d need the relays 
to latch on with the first pulse and turn off with the second.  So, up once 
to turn on the fog light, down once to turn on the driving light.  Up or 
down a second time to turn off either light.  Hopefully, that makes sense.

Does anyone know if such a relay exists?  If not, is there a simple circuit 
that would make a standard relay work as described?

Thanks,
Jim

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From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:55:30 +0000 (UTC)

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 What you need is what is called an alternate action relay.=C2=A0 This is a=
 bi-stable relay that will change from OFF to ON or ON to OFF each time the=
 coil is energized.=C2=A0 Like a pull chain light switch.=C2=A0 I remember =
seeing such a device with an indexing cam that maintained the relay in the =
state which ever was activated.=C2=A0 A quick look on the internet turned u=
p nothing like that but there are a couple similar-acting relays that use e=
lectronics instead.
Here are a couple that work on 12 volts:
https://czh-labs.com/panel-mount-momentary-switch-pulse-signal-control-latc=
hing-spdt-relay-module12v-p1068.html?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI6LW6iY-R6QIVUtbACh=
3tsgrTEAQYDyABEgLjSPD_BwEor https://tinyurl.com/yd3ylfoj
And=20
http://innovativecontrolsinc.com/documents.htmlClick on 3050510 Alternate A=
ction Relay module
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 3:28 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights

I have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, and h=
ave them wired so that I can light either one or both of them.=C2=A0 There =
was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - on1 - on2 - on1=
&2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=99d like to come up w=
ith a more attractive solution.=C2=A0 Ideally, I would like to convert an u=
nnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to a fog/driving light switch.=
=C2=A0 My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary switch (something like this on=
e, but hopefully I can find something more attractive: https://www.amazon.c=
om/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8) and a pair of latchi=
ng relays.=C2=A0 The tricky part is that I=E2=80=99d need the relays to lat=
ch on with the first pulse and turn off with the second.=C2=A0 So, up once =
to turn on the fog light, down once to turn on the driving light.=C2=A0 Up =
or down a second time to turn off either light.=C2=A0 Hopefully, that makes=
 sense.

Does anyone know if such a relay exists?=C2=A0 If not, is there a simple ci=
rcuit that would make a standard relay work as described?

Thanks,
Jim

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">What you need is what is called an alternate action =
relay.&nbsp; This is a bi-stable relay that will change from OFF to ON or O=
N to OFF each time the coil is energized.&nbsp; Like a pull chain light swi=
tch.&nbsp; I remember seeing such a device with an indexing cam that mainta=
ined the relay in the state which ever was activated.&nbsp; A quick look on=
 the internet turned up nothing like that but there are a couple similar-ac=
ting relays that use electronics instead.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Here are a couple that work on 12 volts:</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">https://czh-labs.com/panel-mount-momentary-switch-pul=
se-signal-control-latching-spdt-relay-module12v-p1068.html?gclid=3DEAIaIQob=
ChMI6LW6iY-R6QIVUtbACh3tsgrTEAQYDyABEgLjSPD_BwE</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">or https://tinyurl.com/yd3ylfoj</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">And <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">http://innovativecontrolsinc.com/documents.html</font=
></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Click on 3050510 Alternate Action Relay module</font>=
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 3:28 pm<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fog and Driving Lights<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on=
 my Alpine, and have them wired so that I can light either one or both of t=
hem.&nbsp; There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off =
- on1 - on2 - on1&amp;2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I=E2=80=
=99d like to come up with a more attractive solution.&nbsp; Ideally, I woul=
d like to convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to a fog/d=
riving light switch.&nbsp; My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary switch (so=
mething like this one, but hopefully I can find something more attractive: =
<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B=
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From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
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Thanks guys. That is exactly the information I needed. I always assumed that what I wanted existed, but never knew the terminology to look for it!

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> On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:43 PM, John Mitchell <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Can you post a picture of the ugly period correct switch, just for giggles?   Thanks
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>> On 4/30/2020 4:28 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I have long wanted to install 1 fog and 1 driving light on my Alpine, and have them wired so that I can light either one or both of them.  There was a period 4-position rotary switch for doing this (off - on1 - on2 - on1&2) and I have one, but it is ugly as sin and I’d like to come up with a more attractive solution.  Ideally, I would like to convert an unnecessary toggle switch space on the dash to a fog/driving light switch.  My hope is to put in a DPDT momentary switch (something like this one, but hopefully I can find something more attractive: https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Handle-Momentary-Toggle-Switch/dp/B000LFVFA8) and a pair of latching relays.  The tricky part is that I’d need the relays to latch on with the first pulse and turn off with the second.  So, up once to turn on the fog light, down once to turn on the driving light.  Up or down a second time to turn off either light.  Hopefully, that makes sense.
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>> Does anyone know if such a relay exists?  If not, is there a simple circuit that would make a standard relay work as described?
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> Does anyone know if such a relay exists?  If not, is there a simple

 If I recall correctly, a pair of old VW headlight dimming relays would be
a period-correct solution.  Grounding the relay by pulling on the turn
signal lever would flip-flop the relay between high beam and low beam.  Or,
in your case, on or off.  The old relays had to have the headlights on to
power them, you would need to figure out how to remind yourself to turn the
lights off or use a relay on the ignition wire to control the power.

Or, use one of them high-falutin' electronic gadgets...

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