Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.

From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:57:02 -0400

I don't think a revolver is a poor choice but there's no way I'd store
an expensive revolver like that in the garage.

I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't have any
intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to compromise
with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an
inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts or a
similar secured wall mount.

-Paul

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Python in .357 magnum.  I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be too challenging.  Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Tom
>
> On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.
>
> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.
>
> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)
>
> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to think about?
>
> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.  (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
>
> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
>
> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment work, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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There are a few things to consider.

If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get
the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum,
or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.  Anything less just may
focus your adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them mad.

Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and
where would your firearm be?  Are you back to the door working at a bench
or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be
able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you?
You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no means of escape=
. Access
will determine the type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is =
fine if
you use a good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not
sure how you would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.

What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or your
neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind you=
r
potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the first and biggest
headache.

Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns
made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and
barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even
stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.

A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor so
you can get out of harms way.

Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid, you
have a run in and need help.

It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air and
ventilation.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> > I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt
> Python in .357 magnum.  I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more
> sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be to=
o
> challenging.  Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to
> protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your
> person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to
> revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
> >
> >
> >
> > I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a
> large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals
> in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol =
in
> the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> > So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop
> environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity
> will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe
> is.)
> >
> > Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand tha=
t
> I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything =
I
> need to think about?
> >
> > Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M
> elite polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock=
.
> (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do
> have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
> >
> > I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to
> consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m=
argin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ther=
e are a few things to consider.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 8pt;line-height:19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If a bear i=
s your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetra=
tion to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 c=
aliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.=C2=A0 Anything less just may focus=
 your adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them mad.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:19.046px;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif">Where are you most likely to be located when a vi=
sitor would appear and where would your firearm be?=C2=A0 Are you back to t=
he door working at a bench or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floo=
r on a creeper? Will you be able to reach your firearm and access it before=
 your visitor reaches you? You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where =
you have no means of escape. Access will determine the type of secure stora=
ge you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster =
with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how you would present the g=
un on a creeper under a car though.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What di=
rection would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbo=
rs house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind your poten=
tial target is your 2<sup>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and bi=
ggest headache.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-=
height:19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Revolvers are fine and most=
 can be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A lot of=
 semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning a=
nd oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon steel part=
s that need protected.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8p=
t;line-height:19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A can of bear spray =
may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor so you can get out of ha=
rms way.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:=
19.046px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hopefully you keep a cell phone or=
 landline phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need help.</p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:19.046px;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It may be safer to close the door and find anot=
her means of fresh air and ventilation.</p></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:5=
4 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I don&#39;t think a revolver is a poor cho=
ice but there&#39;s no way I&#39;d store<br>
an expensive revolver like that in the garage.<br>
<br>
I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn&#39;t have any<br>
intention of carrying the firearm that there&#39;s no reason to compromise<=
br>
with a handgun. I&#39;d choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an<br>
inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady&#39;s rapidsafe wall mounts or a<br>
similar secured wall mount.<br>
<br>
-Paul<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Eric,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Pyt=
hon in .357 magnum.=C2=A0 I&#39;d be concerned that a semi-auto would be mo=
re sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be t=
oo challenging.=C2=A0 Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially =
to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Good luck.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Tom<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;d recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your=
 person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to rev=
olve until the weapon is removed from the holster.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt; <a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ok, I know I&#39;ve asked some weird questions before, but I think thi=
s one will take the cake.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a l=
arge shop door open.=C2=A0 With having bears, coyotes and other large anima=
ls in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol=
 in the garage to scare off any would be &#39;late night snackers.&quot;<br=
&gt; Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a sho=
p environment, what factors should I consider?=C2=A0 I understand that humi=
dity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how &#39;sealed&#39=
; the safe is.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Is there anything I&#39;m missing that I should consider?=C2=A0 I unde=
rstand that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there=
 anything I need to think about?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Also, I&#39;m open to suggestions for a weapon type.=C2=A0 I thinking =
an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.=C2=A0 With mostly composite parts.=C2=A0 Si=
milar to a Glock.=C2=A0 (Note, I don&#39;t have anything against Glock, I j=
ust never owned one.=C2=A0 I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn&#=
39;t out of consideration.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.=C2=A0 Just =
a &#39;what to consider&#39; for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, ca=
r and heavy equipment work, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks in advance.<br>
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From: Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:36:38 +0100

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This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t =
such ready access to firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only =
shotguns =E2=80=93 and also because we generally don=E2=80=99t have such =
wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!

So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal =
with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a =
meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? =
Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but could a =
well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (to =
get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of =
honey!

Neil

=20

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Tom =
Jones via Shop-talk
Sent: 02 April 2020 15:06
Cc: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked =
here.

=20

If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to =
get the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 =
magnum, or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.  Anything =
less just may focus your adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really =
make them mad.

Where are you most likely to be located when a visitor would appear and =
where would your firearm be?  Are you back to the door working at a =
bench or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? =
Will you be able to reach your firearm and access it before your visitor =
reaches you? You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no =
means of escape. Access will determine the type of secure storage =
you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster =
with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how you would present =
the gun on a creeper under a car though.

What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or =
your neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s =
behind your potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the =
first and biggest headache.

Revolvers are fine and most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns =
made for boating use. A lot of semi autos have stainless slides and =
barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning and oiling will be necessary. Even =
stainless firearms have carbon steel parts that need protected.

A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for your visitor =
so you can get out of harms way.

Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid, =
you have a run in and need help.

It may be safer to close the door and find another means of fresh air =
and ventilation.

=20

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk =

-Paul

>
> Eric,
>
> I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt =
Python in .357 magnum.  I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more =
sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be =
too challenging.  Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially =
to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of =
oil.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Tom
>
> On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk =
>
> I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your =
person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to =
revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < =
>
> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this =
one will take the cake.
>
> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a =
large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large =
animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep =
a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about =
this.
>
> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a =
shop environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that =
humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' =
the safe is.)
>
> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand =
that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there =
anything I need to think about?
>
> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M =
elite polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a =
Glock.  (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned =
one.  I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of =
consideration.)
>
> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what =
to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
>
> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, =
car and heavy equipment work, etc.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This all seems alien to me =
=E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t such ready access to =
firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and =
also because we generally don=E2=80=99t have such wildlife, so please =
excuse my naivety!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, my thoughts are more along the =
lines of finding other ways to deal with the potential threat. Would a =
bear or coyote be really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could =
there be a solution involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger =
problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or something at least be =
a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of =
chocolate. Or a jar of honey!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Tom Jones via Shop-talk<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2020 =
15:06<br><b>Cc:</b> Philip Ethier via Shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
Maybe the weirest shop related question asked =
here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There are a few things to =
consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If a bear is your adversary, then =
a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetration to stop their =
advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 caliber rifle or =
12ga shotgun with slugs.&nbsp; Anything less just may focus your =
adversary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them =
mad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Where are you most likely to be =
located when a visitor would appear and where would your firearm =
be?&nbsp; Are you back to the door working at a bench or machine tool, =
under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be able to reach =
your firearm and access it before your visitor reaches you? You =
don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no means of escape. =
Access will determine the type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. =
Carrying is fine if you use a good quality holster with retention and =
trigger protection. Not sure how you would present the gun on a creeper =
under a car though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What direction would you most =
likely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbors house? No matter =
what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind your potential target is =
your 2<sup>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and biggest =
headache.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Revolvers are fine and most can =
be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A lot of =
semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, cleaning =
and oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon steel =
parts that need protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A can of bear spray may provide =
enough of a diversion for your visitor so you can get out of harms =
way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hopefully you keep a cell phone =
or landline phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need =
help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:14.3pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It may be safer to close the door =
and find another means of fresh air and =
ventilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't think a revolver is a poor choice =
but there's no way I'd store<br>an expensive revolver like that in the =
garage.<br><br>I agree with other commenters that say that if he doesn't =
have any<br>intention of carrying the firearm that there's no reason to =
compromise<br>with a handgun. I'd choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle =
or an<br>inexpensive shotgun in one of Hornady's rapidsafe wall mounts =
or a<br>similar secured wall mount.<br><br>-Paul<br><br>On Tue, Mar 31, =
2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibbon via Shop-talk<br>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Eric,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I second the stainless =
steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Python in .357 magnum.&nbsp; =
I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more sensitive to that kind =
of environment, but either way it should not be too challenging.&nbsp; =
Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to protect the ammo =
as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
Good luck.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Tom<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 =
PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, =
attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for =
the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the =
holster.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 =
PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions =
before, but I think this one will take the cake.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I live =
out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop =
door open.&nbsp; With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in =
the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in =
the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers.&quot;<br>&gt; =
Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about =
this.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid =
access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I consider?&nbsp; =
I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have =
to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Is there anything I'm =
missing that I should consider?&nbsp; I understand that I will most =
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to =
think about?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon =
type.&nbsp; I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.&nbsp; With mostly =
composite parts.&nbsp; Similar to a Glock.&nbsp; (Note, I don't have =
anything against Glock, I just never owned one.&nbsp; I do have and love =
my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I =
don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.&nbsp; Just a 'what =
to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Note, in my =
shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy =
equipment work, etc.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Thanks in =
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Coyotes are not to be trifled with, and bears have an incredible sense 
of smell (they might smell the greasy hamburger you had for lunch, or 
its wrapper):

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coyote-attack-girl-Dublin-park-hospital-injury-15172995.php 

Note Dublin is an upscale 'Silicon Valley' community; the little girl 
will (possibly) have to endure a rabies protocol treatment if they don't 
find the offending coyote.

I think they're mostly solitary, but if they ganged-up like wolves 
they'd be a real problem; they've largely prospered shadowing humans for 
garbage or whatever food-like stuff we leave hanging around. There are 
quite a few roaming the (mostly empty) streets of San Francisco.

Bob

On 4/2/2020 7:36 AM, Neil Sherry via Shop-talk wrote:
>
> This all seems alien to me – living in the UK we don’t such ready 
> access to firearms – and even then basically only shotguns – and also 
> because we generally don’t have such wildlife, so please excuse my 
> naivety!
>
> So, my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways to deal 
> with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a 
> meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving 
> food? Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but could a 
> well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (to 
> get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!
>
> Neil
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    Coyotes are not to be trifled with, and bears have an incredible
    sense of smell (they might smell the greasy hamburger you had for
    lunch, or its wrapper):<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coyote-attack-girl-Dublin-park-hospital-injury-15172995.php">https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coyote-attack-girl-Dublin-park-hospital-injury-15172995.php</a>
    <br>
    <br>
    Note Dublin is an upscale 'Silicon Valley' community; the little
    girl will (possibly) have to endure a rabies protocol treatment if
    they don't find the offending coyote.<br>
    <br>
    I think they're mostly solitary, but if they ganged-up like wolves
    they'd be a real problem; they've largely prospered shadowing humans
    for garbage or whatever food-like stuff we leave hanging around. 
    There are quite a few roaming the (mostly empty) streets of San
    Francisco.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
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            all seems alien to me – living in the UK we don’t such ready
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            and also because we generally don’t have such wildlife, so
            please excuse my naivety!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So,
            my thoughts are more along the lines of finding other ways
            to deal with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be
            really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could there be
            a solution involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger
            problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or something
            at least be a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your
            weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Howdy,

This seems a lot more like the time I bought a nice cordless chain saw to
cut up the tree that fell down in my yard once.

I.e. I probably wasn't going to need the saw after I cleaned up the tree
and I could have just borrowed the neighbor's saw.  But I wanted one and
had a great excuse.

:)

I am struggling to picture the situation where a "big enough to be
dangerous" wild animal comes into a noisy shop by choice.  And even if said
thing occurred, as others have mentioned I dunno what the heck 'regular'
pistol calibers would do in terms of a bear.  The idea of a half dozen air
horns scattered around seems a hell of a lot more likely to actually help
you.

If you want a new pistol, just buy one.  :)

Mark

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in the UK we don=E2=80=99t su=
ch ready access
> to firearms =E2=80=93 and even then basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and=
 also because we
> generally don=E2=80=99t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!
>
> with the potential threat. Would a bear or coyote be really after a meal,
> rather than a fight? So could there be a solution involving food? Maybe i=
t
> would create a bigger problem long term, but could a well-stocked bin or
> something at least be a diversion to buy time (to get out or get your
> weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Jones via Shop-talk
> *Sent:* 02 April 2020 15:06
> *Cc:* Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked
> here.
>
>
>
> If a bear is your adversary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to ge=
t
> the penetration to stop their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnu=
m,
> or a .30 caliber rifle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.  Anything less just ma=
y
> or machine tool, under a car lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you =
be
> You don=E2=80=99t want them to corner you where you have no means of esca=
pe. Access
> will determine the type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying i=
s fine if
> What direction would you most likely be firing? Towards your house or you=
r
> neighbors house? No matter what you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind y=
our
> potential target is your 2nd, hitting your target is the first and
> biggest headache.
>
> Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline phone close, heaven forbid,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>This seems a lot more like the t=
ime I bought a nice cordless chain saw=C2=A0to cut up the tree that fell do=
wn in my yard once.<br><br>I.e. I probably wasn&#39;t going to need the saw=
 after I cleaned up the tree and I could have just borrowed the neighbor&#3=
9;s saw.=C2=A0 But I wanted one and had a great excuse.<br><br>:)<br><br>I =
am struggling to picture the situation where a &quot;big enough to be dange=
rous&quot; wild animal comes into a noisy shop by choice.=C2=A0 And even if=
 said thing occurred, as others have mentioned I dunno what the heck &#39;r=
egular&#39; pistol calibers would do in terms of a bear.=C2=A0 The idea of =
a half dozen air horns scattered around seems a hell of a lot more likely t=
o actually help you.<br><br>If you want a new pistol, just buy one.=C2=A0 :=
)<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Neil Sherry via Shop-tal=
k &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div lang=3D"EN-GB"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5987122961538603847WordSection1">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>This all seems alien to me =E2=80=93 living in=
 the UK we don=E2=80=99t such ready access to firearms =E2=80=93 and even t=
hen basically only shotguns =E2=80=93 and also because we generally don=E2=
=80=99t have such wildlife, so please excuse my naivety!<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>So, my thoughts are more along the lines=
 of finding other ways to deal with the potential threat. Would a bear or c=
oyote be really after a meal, rather than a fight? So could there be a solu=
tion involving food? Maybe it would create a bigger problem long term, but =
could a well-stocked bin or something at least be a diversion to buy time (=
to get out or get your weapon). Throw a bar of chocolate. Or a jar of honey=
!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Neil<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>T=
om Jones via Shop-talk<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 April 2020 15:06<br><b>Cc:</b> Ph=
ilip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [S=
hop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">There are a few things to consider.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-hei=
ght:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">If a bear is your ad=
versary, then a large caliber handgun is needed to get the penetration to s=
top their advancement. .357 magnum, 10 mm or 44 magnum, or a .30 caliber ri=
fle or 12ga shotgun with slugs.=C2=A0 Anything less just may focus your adv=
ersary=E2=80=99s attention on you and really make them mad.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3=
pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Where are you most likely to=
 be located when a visitor would appear and where would your firearm be?=C2=
=A0 Are you back to the door working at a bench or machine tool, under a ca=
r lift or on the floor on a creeper? Will you be able to reach your firearm=
 and access it before your visitor reaches you? You don=E2=80=99t want them=
 to corner you where you have no means of escape. Access will determine the=
 type of secure storage you=E2=80=99ll need. Carrying is fine if you use a =
good quality holster with retention and trigger protection. Not sure how yo=
u would present the gun on a creeper under a car though.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">What direction would you most l=
ikely be firing? Towards your house or your neighbors house? No matter what=
 you chose to use, what=E2=80=99s behind your potential target is your 2<su=
p>nd</sup>, hitting your target is the first and biggest headache.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-heig=
ht:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Revolvers are fine an=
d most can be had in stainless as well as shotguns made for boating use. A =
lot of semi autos have stainless slides and barrels. Yes, maintenance, clea=
ning and oiling will be necessary. Even stainless firearms have carbon stee=
l parts that need protected.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;color:black">A can of bear spray may provide enough of a diversion for y=
our visitor so you can get out of harms way.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14.3pt"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Hopefully you keep a cell phone or landline=
 phone close, heaven forbid, you have a run in and need help.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:8pt;line-height:14=
.3pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">It may be safer to close t=
he door and find another means of fresh air and ventilation.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:54 PM Paul Parkanzky vi=
a Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef=
t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;marg=
in-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">I don&#39=
;t think a revolver is a poor choice but there&#39;s no way I&#39;d store<b=
r>an expensive revolver like that in the garage.<br><br>I agree with other =
commenters that say that if he doesn&#39;t have any<br>intention of carryin=
g the firearm that there&#39;s no reason to compromise<br>with a handgun. I=
&#39;d choose either a cheap AR-pattern rifle or an<br>inexpensive shotgun =
in one of Hornady&#39;s rapidsafe wall mounts or a<br>similar secured wall =
mount.<br><br>-Paul<br><br>On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM Thomas FitzGibb=
on via Shop-talk<br>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Eric,<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe =
a Colt Python in .357 magnum.=C2=A0 I&#39;d be concerned that a semi-auto w=
ould be more sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it shoul=
d not be too challenging.=C2=A0 Desiccant packs are going to be critical, e=
specially to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light c=
oat of oil.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Good luck.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Tom<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I&#39;d recommend a stainless double-action re=
volver, attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible=
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cake.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I live out in the country, and often work well into t=
he night with a large shop door open.=C2=A0 With having bears, coyotes and =
other large animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea=
 to keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be &#39;late night s=
nackers.&quot;<br>&gt; Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made m=
e think about this.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; So my question is, if I have a pistol, =
in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I conside=
r?=C2=A0 I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I =
have to see how &#39;sealed&#39; the safe is.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Is there any=
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l most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need =
to think about?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also, I&#39;m open to suggestions for a wea=
pon type.=C2=A0 I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.=C2=A0 With mostl=
y composite parts.=C2=A0 Similar to a Glock.=C2=A0 (Note, I don&#39;t have =
anything against Glock, I just never owned one.=C2=A0 I do have and love my=
 XD however, so Glock isn&#39;t out of consideration.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do=
n&#39;t want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.=C2=A0 Just a &#39;wh=
at to consider&#39; for leaving a pistol in a shop.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Note, i=
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:14:03 -0700

> I am struggling to picture the situation where a "big enough 
> to be dangerous" wild animal comes into a noisy shop by 
> choice.  

Ever hear of rabies ?  Just like people, wild animals aren't always
rational.

-- Randall

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From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:29:26 -0400

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Howdy,

I've heard of people slipping and killing themselves in the bathtub too,
but I still don't spend a lot of time worrying about it when I take a
shower.

I think you're hell of a lot more likely to accidentally shoot yourself
carrying a gun working on cars than you are to need said gun to ward off
bears with rabies.

If you want to buy a cool gun, buy a cool gun.  Don't dress it up in a
bunch of BS.

Mark

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve heard of people slippin=
g and killing themselves in the bathtub too, but I still don&#39;t spend a =
lot of time worrying about it when I take a shower.<br><br>I think you&#39;=
re hell of a lot more likely to accidentally shoot yourself carrying a gun =
working on cars than you are to need said gun to ward off bears with rabies=
.<br><br>If you want to buy a cool gun, buy a cool gun.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t dre=
ss it up in a bunch of BS.<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:21 PM =
Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
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&gt; I am struggling to picture the situation where a &quot;big enough <br>
&gt; to be dangerous&quot; wild animal comes into a noisy shop by <br>
&gt; choice.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
Ever hear of rabies ?=C2=A0 Just like people, wild animals aren&#39;t alway=
s<br>
rational.<br>
<br>
-- Randall<br>
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:45:30 -0700

> I've heard of people slipping and killing themselves in the 
> bathtub too, but I still don't spend a lot of time worrying 
> about it when I take a shower.

Your choice, for sure.

My great-aunt broke her hip that way; and oddly enough there are handrails
in my shower.  That's my choice.

These days, I even wear eye protection in the shop.  Still don't spend a lot
of time worrying about it, just do it.

-- Randall

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 18:01:05 -0400

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