Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks

From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:16:07 -0400

--===============8890249140022950137==
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_00555635-458F-4E6E-B2E9-93789CBCABB7"

--Apple-Mail=_00555635-458F-4E6E-B2E9-93789CBCABB7
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

The image came through but I couldn't get enough from it to understand =
how they work. I'd be interested in the design from an intellectual =
standpoint but having done a bit of reading on this now, it seems the =
amount of rise from frost would cause minimal change in angle of the =
treads (code allows for 1/4" per foot) and that using a regular wood =
stringer, attached by a hinge at the top, would be well within that =
threshold.

thanks,
jim

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Jim, I haves design that will work for your steps. I have a set of =
stairs that came from a local airport. They are the stairs that go from =
the jet way, right at the plane to the tarmac. They have to allow for =
different height planes while keeping the stair treads level. I=E2=80=99ll=
 draw up a rough drawing for you if you like. I=E2=80=99ll also attach a =
photo to this email but I think it will be stripped.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding =
and under 30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found =
these anchored surface footings that might do quite well:
>=20
> https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php =
<https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php>
>=20
> The only issue is that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one =
anchored to the house, so the connection between the two needs to be =
fluid, which means one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to =
come up with a design where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises =
and falls with frost, and the riser heights stay equidistant from each =
other, but I'm not getting there. Maybe I build a ramp instead...
>=20
> jim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local concrete =
companies.  If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, one of =
these might be the way to go.  An explanation is at =
https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.p=
hp =
<https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.=
php>=20
>>=20
>> Brian
>> -----Original Message-----=20
>> From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk=20
>> Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM=20
>> To: PJ McGarvey=20
>> Cc: Shop-talk=20
>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks=20
>>=20
>> Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast =
footer only comes in 22".=20
>>=20
>> Getting the concrete to the location will be difficult. The house is =
up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a full sized truck, and =
the then another 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper would need =
a lot of hose. Are there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose =
they could pump it to the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it around =
back...
>>=20
>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> I doubt you'll need more than 18" diameter footings for a deck.=20
>>>=20
>>> In any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did =
this in November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. =
For that diameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. =
In an hour you can have it delivered, poured, and save alot of hassle.=20=

>>>=20
>>> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:14 PM
>>> To: Jim Franklin <[email-masked] =
>>> Cc: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
>>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks
>>> =20
>>> 24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers =
drilled by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 piers =
drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only =
reason I brought this up is it might not be that much over the cost of =
the skid steer to have someone else drill them.=20
>>>=20
>>> Peace,
>>> Pat
>>>=20
>>> Pat Horne=20
>>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk =
>>> >=20
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out =
of PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the =
foundation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found =
3 options and I'm wondering if I missed anything:
>>>=20
>>> 1. Traditional concrete with forms and sonotubes
>>> 2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 lbs)  and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)
>>> 3. Helical piles=20
>>>=20
>>> I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and they're the =
priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete will require =
hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.=20
>>>=20
>>> I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can =
rent a skid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.
>>>=20
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>=20
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
<http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk> http://autox.team.net/archive =
<http://autox.team.net/archive>
>>>=20
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked] =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]>
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>=20
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
<http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk> http://autox.team.net/archive =
<http://autox.team.net/archive>
>>>=20
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked] =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]>
> _______________________________________________
>=20
> [email-masked]
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
http://autox.team.net/archive
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>=20

--Apple-Mail=_00555635-458F-4E6E-B2E9-93789CBCABB7
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=utf-8

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">The =
image came through but I couldn't get enough from it to understand how =
they work. I'd be interested in the design from an intellectual =
standpoint but having done a bit of reading on this now, it seems the =
amount of rise from frost would cause minimal change in angle of the =
treads (code allows for 1/4" per foot) and that using a regular wood =
stringer, attached by a hinge at the top, would be well within that =
threshold.<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>thanks,</div><div>jim</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
22, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Pat Horne &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Jim, I haves design that will =
work for your steps. I have a set of stairs that came from a local =
airport. They are the stairs that go from the jet way, right at the =
plane to the tarmac. They have to allow for different height planes =
while keeping the stair treads level. I=E2=80=99ll draw up a rough =
drawing for you if you like. I=E2=80=99ll also attach a photo to this =
email but I think it will be stripped.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Peace,</div><div class=3D"">Pat</div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:F1E3008F-DFAB-48FD-8DFD-AA9A6720D9A3">&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</span>=
<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Pat =
Horne&nbsp;<div class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 =
PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">I found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding =
and under 30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found =
these anchored surface footings that might do quite well:<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php" =
class=3D"">https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php</a></div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The only issue is =
that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one anchored to the =
house, so the connection between the two needs to be fluid, which means =
one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to come up with a =
design where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises and falls with =
frost, and the riser heights stay equidistant from each other, but I'm =
not getting there. Maybe I build a ramp instead...</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local =
concrete companies.&nbsp; If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the =
footings, one of these might be the way to go.&nbsp; An explanation is =
at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete=
_to_go.php" =
class=3D"">https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concr=
ete_to_go.php</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D"">Brian<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: =
0px; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: normal; font-style: =
normal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">From: Jim =
Franklin via Shop-talk<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">To: PJ =
McGarvey<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cc: Shop-talk<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers =
for decks<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist =
spacing, but the pre-cast footer only comes in 22".&nbsp;<div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;">Getting the concrete to the location will be =
difficult. The house is up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a =
full sized truck, and the then another 100' around back to the site. =
Even a pumper would need a lot of hose. Are there smaller/lighter =
site-mix trucks now? I suppose they could pump it to the top of the =
driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...<br class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">On Apr 16, 2020, at =
10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I doubt you'll need =
more than 18" diameter footings for a deck.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">In =
any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in =
November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For that =
diameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an hour =
you can have it delivered, poured, and save alot of =
hassle.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"appendonsend" class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><div =
class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D"" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: =
inline-block; width: 710.5px;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline =
!important;"></span><div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><font class=3D"" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;"><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop-talk &lt;<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Pat =
Horne via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, April 16, 2020 =
7:14 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jim Franklin &lt;<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop-talk &lt;<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Shop-talk] Footings =
and piers for decks</font><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px;">&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"BodyFragment" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font class=3D"" =
size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><div =
class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"margin: 0px;">24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is =
pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers drilled by a company. They brought =
a large drill truck. I had 3 piers drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including =
bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I brought this up is it might =
not be that much over the cost of the skid steer to have someone else =
drill them.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peace,<br class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Pat Horne<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br=
 class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin =
via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;<span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate =
deck out of PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm =
looking at the foundation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" =
footings. I have found 3 options and I'm wondering if I missed =
anything:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1. Traditional concrete with =
forms and sonotubes<br class=3D"">2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 =
lbs)&nbsp; and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)<br class=3D"">3. Helical =
piles<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and =
they're the priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete =
will require hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I =
can rent a skid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't =
think.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">thanks,<br class=3D"">jim<br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Donate:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">Suggested =
annual donation&nbsp; $12.96<br class=3D"">Archive:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.=
com" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@iclo=
ud.com</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Donate:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">Suggested =
annual donation&nbsp; $12.96<br class=3D"">Archive:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmai=
l.com" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hot=
mail.com</a></div></span></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></sho=
[email-masked]></[email-masked]></[email-masked]=
></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><span =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></span><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Suggested annual donation &nbsp;$12.96</span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Archive: <a =
href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a></span><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.=
com" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@iclo=
ud.com</a></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_00555635-458F-4E6E-B2E9-93789CBCABB7--

--===============8890249140022950137==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

[email-masked]
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

--===============8890249140022950137==--

---

From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:03:20 -0500

--===============0287492558694379747==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

--Apple-Mail-C773F0CA-57DB-4310-BB07-B29ADE1F7D52
	charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jim, I haves design that will work for your steps. I have a set of stairs th=
at came from a local airport. They are the stairs that go from the jet way, r=
ight at the plane to the tarmac. They have to allow for different height pla=
nes while keeping the stair treads level. I=E2=80=99ll draw up a rough drawi=
ng for you if you like. I=E2=80=99ll also attach a photo to this email but I=
 think it will be stripped.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=

=EF=BB=BFI found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding and u=
nder 30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found these anchor=
ed surface footings that might do quite well:

https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php

The only issue is that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one anchor=
ed to the house, so the connection between the two needs to be fluid, which m=
eans one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to come up with a desi=
gn where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises and falls with frost, and=
 the riser heights stay equidistant from each other, but I'm not getting the=
re. Maybe I build a ramp instead...

jim

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local concrete companies.=
  If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, one of these might be t=
he way to go.  An explanation is at https://www.sepulveda.com/product_famili=
es/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php=20
> Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast foote=
r only comes in 22".=20
>=20
> Getting the concrete to the location will be difficult. The house is up a 1=
00' inclined driveway that won't support a full sized truck, and the then an=
other 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper would need a lot of hose. A=
re there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose they could pump it t=
o the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...
>=20
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>> In any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in N=
ovember for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For that diam=
eter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an hour you can=
 have it delivered, poured, and save alot of hassle.=20
>>=20
>> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Pat Horne=
 via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
>> To: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
>> 24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers drille=
d by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 piers drilled 25=E2=
=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I brought th=
is up is it might not be that much over the cost of the skid steer to have s=
omeone else drill them.=20
>> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>> >=20
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out of PT=
 than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the foundati=
on. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found 3 options a=
nd I'm wondering if I missed anything:
>> I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and they're the prici=
est at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete will require hauling ab=
out 45,000 bags into the backyard.=20
>>=20
>> I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can rent a s=
kid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar=
chive
>>=20
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patin=
[email-masked]
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar=
chive
>>=20
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mc=
[email-masked]

[email-masked]
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi=
ve

[email-masked]

--Apple-Mail-C773F0CA-57DB-4310-BB07-B29ADE1F7D52
	type="text/html";
	boundary=Apple-Mail-A2D2B1A0-83F5-4539-9007-FFD0D7383DD4
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

--Apple-Mail-A2D2B1A0-83F5-4539-9007-FFD0D7383DD4
	charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim, I haves design that will work for your=
 steps. I have a set of stairs that came from a local airport. They are the s=
tairs that go from the jet way, right at the plane to the tarmac. They have t=
o allow for different height planes while keeping the stair treads level. I=E2=
=80=99ll draw up a rough drawing for you if you like. I=E2=80=99ll also atta=
ch a photo to this email but I think it will be stripped.&nbsp;<div><br></di=
v><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:F1E3008=
F-DFAB-48FD-8DFD-AA9A6720D9A3"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>=
We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Jim Franklin via S=
hop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/h=
tml; charset=3Dutf-8">I found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is frees=
tanding and under 30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found=
 these anchored surface footings that might do quite well:<div class=3D""><b=
r class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"https://shop.titanbuildingprod=
ucts.com/deck-foot.php" class=3D"">https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/de=
ck-foot.php</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Th=
e only issue is that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one anchored=
 to the house, so the connection between the two needs to be fluid, which me=
ans one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to come up with a desig=
n where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises and falls with frost, and t=
he riser heights stay equidistant from each other, but I'm not getting there=
. Maybe I build a ramp instead...</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=
=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</di=
v><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"marg=
in: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: n=
ormal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-=
indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -=
webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 13px; font-=
family: arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Try a search for "concrete trailer" o=
r call some local concrete companies.&nbsp; If you can drive a pickup or SUV=
 near the footings, one of these might be the way to go.&nbsp; An explanatio=
n is at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"https:/=
/www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php" class=
=3D"">https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_=
go.php</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">=
<div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px;" class=3D"">Brian<br class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"paddin=
g-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: so=
lid; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-weight: normal; font-style: nor=
mal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, sans-serif;=
" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"=
>&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk<span class=3D"=
Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">To: PJ McGarvey<span class=3D"Apple-converted-sp=
ace">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked] class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cc: Sho=
p-talk<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><[email-masked]=
am.net class=3D""><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers=
 for decks<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">=
<br class=3D"">Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the p=
re-cast footer only comes in 22".&nbsp;<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;=
"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">Getting the co=
ncrete to the location will be difficult. The house is up a 100' inclined dr=
iveway that won't support a full sized truck, and the then another 100' arou=
nd back to the site. Even a pumper would need a lot of hose. Are there small=
er/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose they could pump it to the top of t=
he driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...<br class=3D""><div style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><=
div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGar=
vey &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D=
"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchang=
e-newline"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"m=
argin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps=
: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; te=
xt-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px=
; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibr=
i, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I doubt you'll need more than 18=
" diameter footings for a deck.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0=
px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal=
; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-inden=
t: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webki=
t-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helve=
tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-varia=
nt-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: st=
art; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spaci=
ng: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family:=
 Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">In any case, I would pay a=
 bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in November for a 16'x16' screen=
ed porch I'm almost finished with. For that diameter and depth, that's alot o=
f concrete to mix correctly. In an hour you can have it delivered, poured, a=
nd save alot of hassle.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"appendonsend" class=3D"" style=
=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-siz=
e: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;=
 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform=
: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0=
px; text-decoration: none;"></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; care=
t-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-w=
eight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-st=
roke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, san=
s-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D=
"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14=
px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; lett=
er-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: non=
e; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; t=
ext-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 710.5px;"><span class=3D=
"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14=
px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; lett=
er-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: non=
e; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; t=
ext-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"></span><div i=
d=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color=
: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal;=
 font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; tex=
t-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;=
 word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">=
<font class=3D"" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><b c=
lass=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop-t=
alk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Pat Horne=
 via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D""=
>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, April=
 16, 2020 7:14 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jim Franklin &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br cl=
ass=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</=
span>Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D""=
>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Shop-ta=
lk] Footings and piers for decks</font><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;=
">&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"BodyFragment" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-=
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal=
; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: no=
rmal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: no=
ne;"><font class=3D"" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"=
><div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"margin: 0px;">24=E2=80=9D diameter hole i=
s pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers drilled by a company. They brought a=
 large drill truck. I had 3 piers drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including bell b=
ottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I brought this up is it might not be that=
 much over the cost of the skid steer to have someone else drill them.<span c=
lass=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pe=
ace,<br class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pat Horne<span class=3D"=
Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">We support Habitat for Hu=
manity<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Apr 16, 2020, at 1=
:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice o=
rnate deck out of PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm loo=
king at the foundation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I ha=
ve found 3 options and I'm wondering if I missed anything:<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">1. Traditional concrete with forms and sonotubes<br class=3D"">2=
. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 lbs)&nbsp; and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)<br cl=
ass=3D"">3. Helical piles<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>=
<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I haven't heard back from the town on that las=
t one and they're the priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concr=
ete will require hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.<span class=3D"=
Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm leanin=
g towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can rent a skid steer wi=
th auger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""=
>thanks,<br class=3D"">jim<br class=3D"">___________________________________=
____________<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=
=3D"">Donate:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" class=3D"">http://www.team=
.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">Suggested annual donation&nbsp; $12.96<br=
 class=3D"">Archive:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" class=3D"">=
http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-sp=
ace">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive=
" class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patin=
[email-masked]" class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk=
/[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">____________________=
___________________________<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
et</a><br class=3D"">Donate:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</sp=
an><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" class=3D"">=
nbsp; $12.96<br class=3D"">Archive:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nb=
sp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-ta=
lk" class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><span class=3D"App=
le-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://autox.t=
eam.net/archive" class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=3D"">=
<br class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbs=
p;</span><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/=
shop-talk/[email-masked]" class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/=
options/shop-talk/[email-masked]</a></div></span></font></div></div=
></blockquote></div></div></[email-masked]></[email-masked]=
om></[email-masked]></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><b=
r class=3D""></div></div><span>_____________________________________________=
__</span><br><span></span><br><span>[email-masked]</span><br><span=
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html</span><br><span>Suggested annual do=
nation &nbsp;$12.96</span><br><span>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/s=
hop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsu=
bscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@i=
cloud.com</span><br><span></span><br></div></div></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail-A2D2B1A0-83F5-4539-9007-FFD0D7383DD4
	name=image0.jpeg;
	x-apple-part-url=F1E3008F-DFAB-48FD-8DFD-AA9A6720D9A3
Content-Disposition: inline;
	filename=image0.jpeg
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Id: <F1E3008F-DFAB-48FD-8DFD-AA9A6720D9A3>

--Apple-Mail-A2D2B1A0-83F5-4539-9007-FFD0D7383DD4--

--Apple-Mail-C773F0CA-57DB-4310-BB07-B29ADE1F7D52--

--===============0287492558694379747==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============0287492558694379747==--