Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Keeping a gun safe in a gun safe (and definately not 2nd amendment stuff)

From: Mike Rambour via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 14:08:38 -0700

Any gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a stainless something and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun maybe a little more often.   Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not much of a difference when it comes to rust control.  You still have to wipe the slide every so often.  

 Personally I would get a “golden rod” put that In your safe and be done with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then just get some desiccant 

  Mike

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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Mark Miller via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for specifically not making this a second amendment issue.  Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, food and water requirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the safe along with the pistol.
> 
> I think you would be well served by adding desiccants https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E
> and anti-rust pads: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00150H0FW/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_yrqGEbKANGCF4.
> You might consider adding a few flash bang grenades in addition to the gun:
> https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/irons/2019/05/07/you-are-100-going-to-want-a-few-of-these-civilian-legal-flashbangs-when-theyre-back-in-stock/
> 
> And plan to change out the ammo as you do batteries in a smoke detector.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark Miller   707-490-5834
> [email-masked]
> 
>> On 3/29/2020 11:00 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:58:29 -0400
>> From:[email-masked]
>> To:[email-masked]
>> Subject: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked
>>    here.
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>> 
>> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one
>> will take the cake.
>> 
>> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large
>> shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the
>> area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the
>> garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
>> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.
>> 
>> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop
>> environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity
>> will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe
>> is.)
>> 
>> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I
>> will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I
>> need to think about?
>> 
>> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite
>> polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
>> (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do
>> have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
>> 
>> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to
>> consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
>> 
>> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car
>> and heavy equipment work, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
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From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 16:49:14 -0700

OK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'

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From: Mike Rambour via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:01:42 -0700

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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'
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>> Any gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a stainless som=
ething and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun maybe a little more often=
.   Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not much of a differenc=
e when it comes to rust control.  You still have to wipe the slide every so o=
ften.
>>=20
>>  Personally I would get a =E2=80=9Cgolden rod=E2=80=9D put that In your s=
afe and be done with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then jus=
t get some desiccant
>>=20
>>   Mike
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>> Sent via rubber ducky
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>>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Mark Miller via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFThank you for specifically not making this a second amendment i=
ssue.  Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, food and water r=
equirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the safe along with the p=
istol.
>>>=20
>>> I think you would be well served by adding desiccants https://www.amazon=
.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E
>>> and anti-rust pads: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00150H0FW/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_=
r_mt_dp_U_yrqGEbKANGCF4.
>>> You might consider adding a few flash bang grenades in addition to the g=
un:
>>> https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/irons/2019/05/07/you-ar=
e-100-going-to-want-a-few-of-these-civilian-legal-flashbangs-when-theyre-bac=
k-in-stock/
>>>=20
>>> And plan to change out the ammo as you do batteries in a smoke detector.=

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<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 29, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bob Spidell via S=
hop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>OK, I give up; what=
's a 'golden rod?'</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 3/29/2020 2:08 PM, Mi=
ke Rambour via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>An=
y gun should work in that environment. &nbsp;I would look at a stainless som=
ething and wipe it down once a month. &nbsp;A blued gun maybe a little more o=
ften. &nbsp;&nbsp;Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not much o=
f a difference when it comes to rust control. &nbsp;You still have to wipe t=
he slide every so often.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><s=
pan></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &nbsp;Personall=
y I would get a =E2=80=9Cgolden rod=E2=80=9D put that In your safe and be do=
ne with it. &nbsp;If you are going with a desktop type safe then just get so=
me desiccant</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><=
br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;Mike</span><br>=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Mark Miller via=
 Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote></=
blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFThank you for specifically not making this a second ame=
ndment issue. &nbsp;Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, fo=
od and water requirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the safe a=
long with the pistol.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I think you would b=
e well served by adding desiccants https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=3D=
cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockq=
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n><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>You might consider adding a few flash bang grenades in addition=
 to the gun:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearsc=
out/irons/2019/05/07/you-are-100-going-to-want-a-few-of-these-civilian-legal=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Regards,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><spa=
n>Mark Miller &nbsp;&nbsp;707-490-5834</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:02:55 -0400

It's a small heating rod. (Kind of like a low-power toaster rod. 
https://www.lockdown.com/products/moisture-control/dehumidifier-rods/ 
for example.)

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On 2020-03-29 7:49 p.m., Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
>> Any gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a stainless 
>> something and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun maybe a little 
>> more often.   Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not 
>> much of a difference when it comes to rust control.  You still have to 
>> wipe the slide every so often.
>>
>>   Personally I would get a “golden rod” put that In your safe and be 
>> done with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then just get 
>> some desiccant
>>
>>    Mike
>>
>> Sent via rubber ducky
>>
>>> Thank you for specifically not making this a second amendment 
>>> issue.  Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, food 
>>> and water requirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the 
>>> safe along with the pistol.
>>>
>>> I think you would be well served by adding desiccants 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E 
>>>
>>> and anti-rust pads: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00150H0FW/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_yrqGEbKANGCF4. 
>>>

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From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:22:55 -0700

Ah, thanks.

On 3/29/2020 5:01 PM, Mike Rambour wrote:
> https://www.cabelas.com/product/GOLDEN-ROD-DEHUMIDIFIER-ROD/1769596.uts?productVariantId=3773289&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03823153&rid=20&ds_rl=1246555&ds_rl=1246558&ds_rl=1252245&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjoH0BRD6ARIsAEWO9Dtw-15MYioD9a8gD3oPrF952KORtnDO-kVJIaw3MtT18RlmKcSb0TkaAguhEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds 
>
>
> We use them on boats also
>
> Sent via rubber ducky
>
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk 
>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>> Any gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a 
>>> stainless something and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun 
>>> maybe a little more often.   Remember polymer guns still have metal 
>>> slides so not much of a difference when it comes to rust control. 
>>>  You still have to wipe the slide every so often.
>>>
>>> done with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then just 
>>> get some desiccant
>>>
>>>   Mike
>>>

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From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:23:57 -0700

Thanks.

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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:34:36 -0400

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> OK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'

Growing up in Florida without air conditioning, my parents had something
like this in their walk-in closet to prevent mildew.  A fancy low-wattage
light bulb...

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