From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 4 16:32:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CD4A11F6 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:32:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59992A1049 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id 9dV5jC3yhkEGd9dV5jB53H; Wed, 04 Mar 2020 16:32:27 -0700 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:117 a=kP9U5DJUekN3gssGyGfQbw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9yD2iGtCAAAA:8 a=TkfadmzVm0jx_T52kFcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=cAun5kqMVUz2KGfgw9UA:9 a=YJqhvVs6lfAnDIEO:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=fXNj_fZzpRBSmb4Y5jhv:22 To: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 15:32:27 -0800 Importance: Normal bw7LD2B9qQcsT9L5LHfUHFsrKtApq9VBWe27c4QGgY3Zx3CWXrzAZVby Subject: [Shop-talk] air line system install From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1569931284283823039== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01D5F23A.1C913140" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01D5F23A.1C913140 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new shop. It will = be=20 a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near=20 ceiling height. Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch=20 or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the=20 designated vertical drops for line blowdown? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01D5F23A.1C913140 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new = shop.  It will be=20
a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near =
ceiling height.  Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch =
or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the =
designated vertical drops for line blowdown?
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leatherplates.com


------=_NextPart_000_0110_01D5F23A.1C913140-- --===============1569931284283823039== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1569931284283823039==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 4 16:42:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EB3A135E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:42:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281901.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6344CA1105 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:42:53 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; t=1583365370; bh=CjGZDccZJB0ssZjr9H2aOXF4YrZVFGpn32wkZdj2l3Q=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=IObY7aDqz152zUWws1mym+vR+cot+faaFGh/IXfuTDV6VJbzDPEHbwspNak2GDewe PXEjVpuyVoB6qEXc9GHlzm9dhc2JBS1QPwlKy/BiI/dq7atiOytps4Xlziv8XLJ5f6 Ki9B6d6V5N3W5ydd2yKGUHYAHIAodyJ+Kfd3t+AD6fH9wlcCCZttFoASP5nqhbu/a2 FYnrSqm2hlvhNOyFcfVPJegi9BIRSG1qBJNTDTMjPZg99f9+ub3pqSmFcHevHvrEHZ Ni+c8BekViiupbl67jH0Ksdc9YrtyGm/fBS6cecRYBirXWHWrcWngwRRemAKTUkb7G oDVIbKrFBcqgg== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8577A74033F; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 17:42:47 -0600 References: <6EB6F0CCB72049DAA57EC34F08911D47@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" definitions=2020-03-04_10:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2003040151 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air line system install From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4573299129863450592== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4B0741A2-A854-49C3-8B25-316D84EC4F83 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don=E2=80=99t know specifically on air lines, but sewer line recommend fall i= s 1/4=E2=80=9D/foot with 1/8=E2=80=9D/foot being the flattest slope. Remembe= r that this slope is based on solid waste flow.=20 My air lines are hard copper with a slope of 1-1/2=E2=80=9D in 20 feet. Even= if the line is level, opening up the drain on the air line should produce e= nough flow to pull the water out of the lines.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity > On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-ta= lk wrote: >=20 =EF=BB=BF I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new shop. It will be a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near ceiling height. Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the designated vertical drops for line blowdown? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-4B0741A2-A854-49C3-8B25-316D84EC4F83 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don=E2=80=99t know specifically on air line= s, but sewer line recommend fall is 1/4=E2=80=9D/foot with 1/8=E2=80=9D/foot= being the flattest slope. Remember that this slope is based on solid waste f= low. 
My air lines are hard copper with a slope of 1-1/2=E2=80=9D in= 20 feet. Even if the line is level, opening up the drain on the air line sh= ould produce enough flow to pull the water out of the lines. 

<= /div>
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne = ;
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Steve Hammatt= , Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<= br>
=EF=BB=BF
I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new shop.  I= t will be=20
a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near
=
ceiling height.  Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch
or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the
designated vertical drops for line blowdown?
Steve= =20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leatherplates.com


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= --Apple-Mail-4B0741A2-A854-49C3-8B25-316D84EC4F83-- --===============4573299129863450592== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4573299129863450592==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 4 18:30:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136E9A132A for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 18:30:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3782A1069 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 18:30:23 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1583371823; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=aNZ39ng1P+PVDxQ7VVYdDli6NTE=; b=mjhGdE7ZsZMdCEfOU6fB4FAa80b5a6WF+IvXXOrSn6f4MRnYnpO6cS0LvaHPRaSW K8nboIfQ3mniDuBrmeUJfGhQQ+5Wcn8qcec9T3CblsA+hztJcjt05cKwnU7cn7nr 3gCVp89AfLliKCsY8Nd+EeOEwP24jI6m9MHPBJzdgRL/P0j3xTKHQRzmAMxhgjqn c1Z4MCJEfSrkUoOb9GMulCIsP8htRu/LIeGvRqHV9fFfJ/Ihr0unU9evx2Pv8+aY U5/5Y/xX69VsBI0um+PwDPrOjItVgHyPf/gVRZsMZaeJJg+mMhByZ15LppDxdKoA kRPbO+/OcmgES6AUfVSx5w==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=FGc7JLguAAAA:8 a=naH_xAEWUEmv2FZwhEAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LzyEplRQbAyJFQbZn_MA:9 a=08KPf8KrV77t9LKn:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=CdQmrDvaDofE3FHE3dlN:22 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:6891] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) id 17/A9-03618-E26506E5; Wed, 04 Mar 2020 20:30:23 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6EB6F0CCB72049DAA57EC34F08911D47@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 20:30:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air line system install From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3444812439433323340== boundary="------------D19F0B4721583E4904484005" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D19F0B4721583E4904484005 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TP Tools has info on air lines. Note the risers before the drops - they come off the top of the horizontal lines. Presumably this would minimize getting condensed water into the drops. https://cached.tptools.com/Images/airline-piping-diagram.pdf Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 3/4/2020 6:32 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > I’m planning the airline system install in my new shop. It will be > a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near > ceiling height.  Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch > or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the > designated vertical drops for line blowdown? > Steve Hammatt --------------D19F0B4721583E4904484005 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

TP Tools has info on air lines. Note the risers before the drops - they come off the top of the horizontal lines. Presumably this would minimize getting condensed water into the drops.

https://cached.tptools.com/Images/airline-piping-diagram.pdf

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 3/4/2020 6:32 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote:
I’m planning the airline system install in my new shop.  It will be
a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near
ceiling height.  Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch
or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the
designated vertical drops for line blowdown?
Steve Hammatt

--------------D19F0B4721583E4904484005-- --===============3444812439433323340== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3444812439433323340==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 06:22:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F22A16E8 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:22:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B69AA169F for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wr1-f53.google.com with SMTP id r17so6989198wrj.7 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:21:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BT3Nj3RpCaNO34gAEOKj/l0ls2CBuGrNg716hMrPOog=; b=Q/2p4le70uKLsQl08icY6ixmYkGENxscj/WyHa6xxU0dyWzQYfzovyJ4nK33o3qTYi u5QBdErHGkN9lEYYn6nMsvW6Y0AcoaLyAFYd/+9tjnJDtNepBIb96m5RxhJbsKXw1Cxe 5Pmxd3rwNlWM7tb/W2PdGTVqtoSkcVbxohxju21NCdUEx/e83sQJuSf9FIoZdupISgh6 Ti/H9mwuqHGlc64bBjSd3R6ZKPX9a+kQo6pvsAPnvz/qlJ9ds36TvKBgt5ty6qIqT4jR 3aalPevZ4HZD+ZXWPqGTnZmVKufvQ0bbSf6YkIcu2QnZzbgQM4ahVJUwYJAjy1nUrOdZ wO1w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BT3Nj3RpCaNO34gAEOKj/l0ls2CBuGrNg716hMrPOog=; b=BR8OayM2HJ+5SSKMHWfjc9mjKmDCetGWSMo1XSjUA2nu2mpjA3zWPnBfiJ2lph4mFV sPycImEcKuUv5ucf0pCgSBdDGZDER0s8G/7YputxVTQxW6wAsXucxZJShx4RRn53H8ZA m1wPdzNd97ljcQEpmxwcTyNY3QfCH5E6J+rdmJypVUCr0qBNptdJcClcQLKZO2BCSRXl mndsEduiDrRGnCDS1+rQOH4LqdaQ+Zbeg1WQDfwdvYlF+OD2q+el88cgOhTUREh7F8K7 Bgdiw3cMHif4e0MeuQJDrUAX+eqD01vVxyjJfKjg3JqqBxprYW6AdcjtHkn+LXkHfluj N28w== 6Oil+VrJTRI+Nyrx+ukzeJiQQ2JmqejjDIJUfjje0A== Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:21:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:21:11 -0500 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2322205724104720272== --000000000000aa800205a01b6942 Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that stays pliable in cold weather. Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup. Hose that won't get hard and brittle. Thanks, Gene --000000000000aa800205a01b6942 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose f= or my garage that stays pliable in cold weather.

A= lso need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup.=C2= =A0 Hose that won't get hard and brittle.

Than= ks,

Gene
--000000000000aa800205a01b6942-- --===============2322205724104720272== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2322205724104720272==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 06:36:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CC6A1762 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:36:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f180.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DC1A173D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:36:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-il1-f180.google.com with SMTP id b17so5035130iln.3 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:36:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=boZtmPaCIMFiQZWbAiHDjd3RbfI2rCUZdGm2JJsrT4U=; b=oMHnsCFtC4Z2SeizmiZU2/utiGbzIQeXK7Nh8gP4O/ta7gPVNt67dp+J3HgcWyvjDL QVcsoXaHb4eHkU7g12Z6I7tRyAZZ3ro0XnRE6E7Ci97SpIGBOJaEryxWk3sk51dngJ9M PjUfDJ+3AgYmwKN1feANsMP4JjM6pds38BWDLpxuXGbI87GuvGvC2p+gdPAZvQpA29mW Uwp2Jl2uPnmO8s1uxPsOFR3o7RZStXby4BFQ877y+3pkyq4ak5kPnpUeR7lqiQu62DTj hmPnjz7I0XMQ8almmaGg7vnuRx3vW7gWtKri3jp5O02KNAZsYrlEW1KpZ7gMLlZHs7nb yhWQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=boZtmPaCIMFiQZWbAiHDjd3RbfI2rCUZdGm2JJsrT4U=; b=BIvSgGnNHxly/JMWGrmK/fKl+7+4808tncPWEIumpDgfwIKnM76UbxKbNarzHjQFWk dekf2GOHcPwQFZ5Byy8NbLoyuDriU8WK2fmaExtW2xpQN+GV0sWS7Iu+gOCw9mPTuA5l 3TVlZhMoQH/b//xW6KQ15lPe4zxbDgw2gCAP4I/qM1xrZl9ctQQGtuRQJScbgMWQsEfK OuSNEmHnczurVSBY4RgMycgK8Jhok2yBlZra/aOkaIrqcbjccg4GBlK2/8MH4TFsF6YR l1hN+mP9Fid8zY9tPcKQqehSGWMEmaDhapc9HsAJPflDf0ODpDMt3QHoEJoxmWOMouRd CKWA== eVAlOvTqJ+xdYgOlyBqymJIriRoktVWnOO4dQF8= Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:36:06 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:35:55 -0500 To: Gene Abbondelo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any of the quality natural rubber hoses will stiffen less in cold weather. That's a "buy once, cry once" purchase. For bleeding brakes, the best I've been able to come up with is Tygon tubing and then just have it warmed up before you want to use it. So either keep it in the house that morning or run a heat gun (or even your propane torch) along the length that you're going to use right before you bleed brakes or fill a diff or whatever. -Paul On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:22 AM Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk wrote: > > Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that stays pliable in cold weather. > > Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup. Hose that won't get hard and brittle. > > Thanks, > > Gene _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 06:45:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE174A17BC for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:45:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EE3A179D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C3B8A4000E; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 13:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:45:37 -0500 To: Gene Abbondelo References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2951467840454804833== boundary="Apple-Mail=_28410A4B-5F96-4456-8D6B-8C958727A4AC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_28410A4B-5F96-4456-8D6B-8C958727A4AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I second this. Bought a 25' for a small second mortgage and I've added = enough years to my life by not yelling at the plastic hose to pay it = off. Buy quality high flow couplings white you're at it. I've had this = link saved: https://toolguyd.com/quick-guide-to-air-line-couplers-plugs/ jim > On Mar 5, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that = stays pliable in cold weather. >=20 > Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder = setup. 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x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: WRHFsH+dFU/VYmMc0xcPgueaBtBBqKlq6OycY1JFLJD/gfCPWD15Dqr2yO8rU8GT6UdGun428RYVuupy3Ng2NB6fxvUXAZQ1cJRfo7yXPGfIXiBXxsGorq4vjfXRa/FnukNQiIXJmyDetXxWW3T0/rQPSngBz8gKyal77JaFABppNquc/YMK9gUBfeT8hJPz x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: scYaYsWo2js5cMDzRwk/QXYI2Q3F5Qw/0hLJgIEE4i0tIwWsN5djCbitXgpf1AAiNVxwL03EZqaD29tFPxndjRh+MooIM1wAkAWAvf3oCKikrjbdzPL4/MvlwxyF+AZQ9YfadDBJjN0OhXOXY5135A== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8882981789758703796== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM6PR04MB5147F76B4E7963A36FB7716DB4E20DM6PR04MB5147namp_" --_000_DM6PR04MB5147F76B4E7963A36FB7716DB4E20DM6PR04MB5147namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a (goodyear stamped on the hose) rubber air hose at horriblefreigh= t some years ago--I don't remember if there was more than once "brand" choi= ce. It's been great so far. I live in Wisconsin and it does get used in the= middle of winter regularly as tyres loose pressure in the cold. tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Gene Abbond= elo via Shop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:21 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Hoses Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that stay= s pliable in cold weather. Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup. H= ose that won't get hard and brittle. Thanks, Gene --_000_DM6PR04MB5147F76B4E7963A36FB7716DB4E20DM6PR04MB5147namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a (goodyear stamped on the hose) rubber air hose at horriblefreigh= t some years ago--I don't remember if there was more than once "brand&= quot; choice. It's been great so far. I live in Wisconsin and it does get u= sed in the middle of winter regularly as tyres loose pressure in the cold. 

tim

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk <= ;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:21 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Hoses
 
Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that= stays pliable in cold weather.

Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setu= p.  Hose that won't get hard and brittle.

Thanks,

Gene
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I go to my local hose and fitting st= ore and get a length of the hose for push on fittings. The push on fittings= work great and no hose clamp involved. This type of hose is good quality. = Plus it is easy to make custom lengths if needed Here is McMaster link to the type of hose I am talking about. https://www.mcmaster.com/air-hose/air-hose-for-push-on-fittings/ Fittings https://www.mcmaster.com/push-on-hose-fittings Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Gene Abbond= elo via Shop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:21 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Hoses Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that stay= s pliable in cold weather. Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup. H= ose that won't get hard and brittle. Thanks, Gene --_000_DM5PR07MB3975D0C74D213E0DA91196E8BBE20DM5PR07MB3975namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't buy any of the pre-made hoses. I go to my local hose and fitting st= ore and get a length of the hose for push on fittings. The push on fittings= work great and no hose clamp involved. This type of hose is good quality. = Plus it is easy to make custom lengths if needed

Here is  McMaster link to the type of hose I am talking about.


Fittings



Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID



From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk <= ;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Hoses
 
Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that= stays pliable in cold weather.

Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setu= p.  Hose that won't get hard and brittle.

Thanks,

Gene
--_000_DM5PR07MB3975D0C74D213E0DA91196E8BBE20DM5PR07MB3975namp_-- --===============7815982443647701558== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7815982443647701558==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 08:32:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C81EA1701 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:32:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E45A131B for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.101]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 9qz8jMwG5sAwi9sTqj3YrY; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:32:10 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1583422330; bh=2RadsZvSktSwZi4SD6PFHMHfEtExod0zs0FBnQYU4dU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kK0RFdh0oF+zhBY2OkooLeUfpB+irlXQlKespltYzUvW+YrPtacOtL8kYCKnJ3Pvv /Ud8Gq/MG4tPChc/an18tLNQdllwmd/XnhLh7goPY4QV4ryg52yioSdUOnOosptnEH +8Jm8yS/22OVUVOLlmMw2By8xvwfA3/0S3nSSOEqagRbMW/xF2sEye7WyFL+GPdDoF 0lc7pvw6cF86iAfQIUyb5oJOVIHrkhw0EpwAEMxO6gop0xTy/BwPLyUUP6pK7kPcXy 1UicVPLeQ9TPlBcBRMr1XscclLP7t0N+Usfz7XT8aLkKwAkSQAl89OtJKRh0tLy71B vV1CzQLE5ouYg== Received: from [192.168.1.117] ([68.32.79.140]) by resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 9sTpjVMnBbBT89sTqjpxsO; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:32:10 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 10:32:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm with the Tygon tubing for bleeding brakes. I also do it slightly differently - rather than dangle the end of the tube into a jar, I use a long length and suspend the non-bleedscrew end up in the air where I can see it from the cockpit. This keeps the bleedscrew "pressurised" with fluif* (to prevent air from entering when I release the pedal) and allows me to see when air bubbles stop rising from the cylinder/caliper (and lets me know when I have to drain the tube because it's getting too full). My only helper is a stepladder and clip. HTH, Donald. * - with regards to Joe Curry, if he's around here. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2020-03-05 8:35 a.m., Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk wrote: > Any of the quality natural rubber hoses will stiffen less in cold > weather. That's a "buy once, cry once" purchase. > > For bleeding brakes, the best I've been able to come up with is Tygon > tubing and then just have it warmed up before you want to use it. So > either keep it in the house that morning or run a heat gun (or even > your propane torch) along the length that you're going to use right > before you bleed brakes or fill a diff or whatever. > > -Paul > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:22 AM Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk > wrote: >> >> Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that stays pliable in cold weather. >> >> Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setup. Hose that won't get hard and brittle. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gene _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 09:54:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A0CA1757 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 09:54:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from camel.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (unknown [23.83.209.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060D1A1746 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 09:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC7D6017C8 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-217-40.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.217.40]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 918E9600F1A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Thu, 05 Mar 2020 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6864F7F4F6 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:52:34 -0800 (PST) :to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=milleredp.com; bh=cWW IIsLheGEqwsomdXiAQMn518o=; b=JOIa+x5yPGIjYZ561/iZx0oPiDdSPx7m6zz N6I0g5dWf6bcknO1xOImvzuLTeXdE8SOfMu1QDWmSVEyjLPvaH/gDxMiERGrhNlI XrV61rRaBwKW6inl7iHA7MBjPPEUk7AHAJOlphpYixVejwE9EwiqmJjyRZ8nlXqP yKIWcjFw= Received: from [10.1.2.175] (c-67-161-16-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.161.16.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jem@milleredp.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 243517F4FF for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:52:32 -0800 (PST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:52:30 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: John Miller via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/5/2020 6:34 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote: > I bought a (goodyear stamped on the hose) rubber air hose at > horriblefreight some years ago--I don't remember if there was more than > once "brand" choice. It's been great so far. I live in Wisconsin and it > does get used in the middle of winter regularly as tyres loose pressure > in the cold. Air: (a) Rubber hose. (b) Distributed clamping and strain reliefs at fittings - I use 2-3 Oetiker-style band clamps with a layer or two of heavy heat-shrink over the clamps extending out onto the hose. (c) A lighter-duty more flexible (and presumably stored indoors) whip hose on the tool/tire chuck will reduce stress on the end of the hose, where it'll most likely fail. (d) Then you cut it back six inches and do it again. Clear brake-bleeder tubing: (a) Whatever you buy, buy three times what you need so you have it to swap out when you need to. (b) McMaster-Carr as a source. I don't use clear hoses for brake bleeding, I think mine are silicone. I use three-packs of ketchup bottles from Smart & Final with a piece of hard brake line down to the bottom of the bottle, the hose over both the hard line and the squeeze-spout, and a clamp to hold them together. Add 1in of brake fluid in bottom of bottle, connect, crack bleeder, then bleed until you've got ~2in of fluid in the bottle. You can also add a loop of fishing line to hang the bottle from the bleed screw. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 6 08:41:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1413A0C61 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:41:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F3AA0FB2 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 17:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ua1-f53.google.com with SMTP id o42so1428803uad.10 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2020 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yBeFIMvQ7KRP6qgTZMeGOw2pR2hCpjsvr3+AuFXqyMU=; b=EMAiykrGz9GZniPxCeTnY64ytd8lx8CW4pX8cRCVHMzpoUzcXCXpngruc0pKbVv70l kHGMMgLEqUR6SahTZL1n7MCbpJ3ybsHLuCNEjCW2lvJaP5KT81pAn8bH0KFdc4HLPRxP S2s64twKWBIbqGfFGlH+V3FmlxJYZA/62meIiuOF33w7pZqrrB2/F7vX66NXOSvwMhiX qs4fEsjvcQd9+R9icse2HqKcsa/vdGLvNmlMu/f+lZJkhHvr2DaiL59CSYrVS0C1BaXy opyPF3dfcxzp3UNapXtZRw9XXpwTH7EOc0hGpj3GwyKb4gNn1Wo/cS3mEO6Vqj2E/g8r ZyJQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yBeFIMvQ7KRP6qgTZMeGOw2pR2hCpjsvr3+AuFXqyMU=; b=e4yDi64/Qotg0ozTZ02tzLiafQHQ8NdAE4nOFkYwPLh86Nn0Zk2kUxURxkKsSx279x wpWJ5F7+1yRSW0IdNTeqyq+ULl/BP0ja+qzFkoX7lwp9c12yh/PLDT120FbWJGGHYcyu JeT9RF7Zgx9kg5I1bg7UPw4cSdoWaDQUayyWUNLCXQNFQWQtmvkqgvJaiNF6SmQ4SdgV UAlxojaHKFbEzBC4vbC0MEaBkNUrA6OKxXc4M1YtNSbfevi//WNfhqH+J7cin5ZAS05+ I7q1/HOJq6YGuaX34PH6LzgTkeGsd1fJqjOyvWZkyEa9zTAeOpZwas8GXxkxd/mVBL3g qzxQ== TL5p5yZRppNgIX9SZiHHRcmyMiqrDyui3v5xyA== Wed, 04 Mar 2020 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) References: <6EB6F0CCB72049DAA57EC34F08911D47@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 18:24:08 -0600 To: Pat Horne Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air line system install From: Ronnie Day via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-Talk List Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6554505641647097280== --00000000000064e4b705a0109068 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out the TP Tools website. They offer a lot of info on setting up air supply systems. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:43 PM Pat Horne via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Don=E2=80=99t know specifically on air lines, but sewer line recommend fa= ll is > 1/4=E2=80=9D/foot with 1/8=E2=80=9D/foot being the flattest slope. Rememb= er that this slope > is based on solid waste flow. > My air lines are hard copper with a slope of 1-1/2=E2=80=9D in 20 feet. E= ven if > the line is level, opening up the drain on the air line should produce > enough flow to pull the water out of the lines. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via > Shop-talk wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new shop. It will = be > a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near > ceiling height. Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch > or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the > designated vertical drops for line blowdown? > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > www.leatherplates.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --00000000000064e4b705a0109068 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out the TP Tools website. They offer a lot of info o= n setting up air supply systems.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:43 PM Pat Horne vi= a Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
Don=E2=80=99t know specifically on air lines, = but sewer line recommend fall is 1/4=E2=80=9D/foot with 1/8=E2=80=9D/foot b= eing the flattest slope. Remember that this slope is based on solid waste f= low.=C2=A0
My air lines are hard copper with a slope of 1-1/2=E2=80=9D i= n 20 feet. Even if the line is level, opening up the drain on the air line = should produce enough flow to pull the water out of the lines.=C2=A0
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne= =C2=A0
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 4, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Steve = Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
I=E2=80=99m planning the airline system install in my new shop.=C2=A0 = It will be=20
a circle pattern so that it will wrap round the entire room near
ceiling height.=C2=A0 Is anyone familiar with the recommended pitch
or incline recommended for water (condensate) drainage to the
designated vertical drops for line blowdown?
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leath= erplates.com


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--00000000000064e4b705a0109068-- --===============6554505641647097280== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6554505641647097280==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 6 08:41:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDDA0C77 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:41:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6F6A1611 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f42.google.com with SMTP id v22so5702296otq.11 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=I0Z5I1TPw6gjfRhmYL0/TTtNIt7elngDuReOUxO//+Q=; b=HQq7KHVHOeSm05D8jlfrWTOcVIh5jzW0ebZpIFn7F1o4f69IHwAO9TF9ipdOu9tsKk NbUPFLnbgOaeu2TQQggyiI1gXyrIJTkpzcOaG09byGrlMqRysxNGsiJBo2WfQ+/2ImO8 lRT6Ew55B5wp//5URGvEVcB8ckYtGyeSMzby+Qn3svS4WzQKjLyQFYXZ5W3MP3jWg3t6 jov2E+Kk9tkJ4k2/beCS+RHEiId77rPu4u+idCURD+KkvLvhM6dn7F6LWNivWLtm8qlj quiHNN6/+bG6Ux+RDwPyl+rhu8d+NJxjObTVyememwMN7kRU8F0ZaPYjSnyL3zBKyuc2 3AfQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=I0Z5I1TPw6gjfRhmYL0/TTtNIt7elngDuReOUxO//+Q=; b=rHYSaZuSQcCJWgYKlDis9T4ssOG5ZkzHwArg+gc7+h96ge7Kw/QN3JwQeA9SyWxWSl C3hgk33HkK5X9Hl8j4iqUJKzGwnqxbTaJ8QSPELm1IQM2l8Gf6wcmRenv7xAcp1cyByA fiO4QBN0Km6FI2Rzzri89Nrx8QEAgpLCAHUoLw1HjvlDFDZdkFrCu1AOt6TJghMtaNeZ G5l7TjLMRf6Gx00d9XRaW3J4f898k+7w8musr1psoI0AEC8sBp7sElN/oL7Rayx/zB6e twyrxOFg0Vcs10ayGH5nPA7iE1ZhbUEJEWLmaB/yvvcPWzReU3G0wab+EOqWIntfS2ks c7kQ== mPXt8y6Azzji36eDzmH8KA/NdG2Kk5omNb53FAumBw== Thu, 05 Mar 2020 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:57:21 -0500 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hoses From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5904732147131479399== --000000000000da7cd605a01bea0b Howdy, These days, it seems like most mechanics have gotten rid of air tools almost entirely and gone the battery route. I'm very much not a pro, but I can't say that I miss tripping over air hoses now that I've updated to battery powered impact guns, in particular. FWIW. Mark On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:45 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I second this. Bought a 25' for a small second mortgage and I've added > enough years to my life by not yelling at the plastic hose to pay it off. > Buy quality high flow couplings white you're at it. I've had this link > saved: > > https://toolguyd.com/quick-guide-to-air-line-couplers-plugs/ > > jim > > > On Mar 5, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that > stays pliable in cold weather. > > > > Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder > setup. Hose that won't get hard and brittle. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gene > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000da7cd605a01bea0b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

These days, it seems like most m= echanics have gotten rid of air tools almost entirely and gone the battery = route.=C2=A0 I'm very much not a pro, but I can't say that I miss t= ripping over air hoses now that I've updated to battery powered impact = guns, in particular.

FWIW.

Mark

On Thu, Mar 5, 20= 20 at 8:45 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I second this. Bought a 25' for a= small second mortgage and I've added enough years to my life by not ye= lling at the plastic hose to pay it off. Buy quality high flow couplings wh= ite you're at it. I've had this link saved:

https://toolguyd.com/quick-guide-to-air-= line-couplers-plugs/

jim

> On Mar 5, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Gene Abbondelo via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team= .net> wrote:
>
> Need some recommendations on a decent air line hose for my garage that= stays pliable in cold weather.
>
> Also need recommendations on clear hose to use on a brake bleeder setu= p.=C2=A0 Hose that won't get hard and brittle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene
> _______________________________________________
>
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I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that = has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard time retrie= ving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on me. It took = over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I can't even atte= mpt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should matter, but = the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellaneous audio= or video files and possibly other items. What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea= l with this PITA process. Thanks tim --_000_CH2PR04MB65051F40CA881A612B227AA3B4FD0CH2PR04MB6505namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items. 

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? 

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea= l with this PITA process. 

Thanks
tim
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One thing that often works for us is to freeze the drive (= if it has a cold solder join this will often keep it working long enough to= get the data off.=C2=A0 If that doesn't work you can try baking it.=C2= =A0 Less common, but sometime the post coat the manufactures use one these = is sensitive to humidity.=C2=A0 Baking them in a 250 degree oven for a coup= le hours might dry it out enough to work.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:26 A= M Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-= talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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--000000000000edd40805a0a79116-- --===============2230219029970785622== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2230219029970785622==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 07:31:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F212A12E7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vk1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A85A12DF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id a1so1563807vkg.3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MdOXbT6uXOLpyKcifwo4qhahmFz9HlQwtINAQa0t5HA=; b=Cbh9GOt19WK89KNHlmMojPUKh4p8ATRN8Zt3pVahd36qgO4xt9Wqr3y4OJuZoMV/Ew NnSFn8yH2cBrlJPdGn4d2ax/Ld5lnwZDlAlYQ/liboVeR0tcAjHJNeDjAWBvJVrFt+8y GdCLCcMmXzCK7zdefudbBjy1dG7+0KKwiiRHYBTpR4/wFBwFWrbM1DrrpiYFj+ZBjKYF /4hUmK/wGNjU2k6+zMQmKeeO1/v3vSLNruEalT/t7ITha7Qbd2ERfZP5eTXQsL4exdud Lpx5JgZEbTWorffqmTXp5mOVklF2iicPfcRA7xhCEH2iyn9S/BqiF6x1iFOnGW3N2NsV ICVw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MdOXbT6uXOLpyKcifwo4qhahmFz9HlQwtINAQa0t5HA=; b=EvFwQliwfJJFrNY8biPdwOovUKnJ29mNua2qYVD8JrW5zHvULXvA5t2b8NWxhkFrFE 0hB+eHZrYvmtxV1i32fIV7dhRVKxXzDh8zLLas+oWNzVCIecBIqOmce59Hg/cerWXD2A /GGTfYLk/Jk8hk1vINigvhkYridtV9zajcSDukRoKk/crBnIertwzDR62hKJmVxU3Eja BNY3nQBCHHylNTmwhojfMHQIqxkviIS06KRs7ElZDbTEUNV8WKFLkACN2BBd65w4hScK UHEQ0rd4zWsRUkbWSGKpXAd358H1eub0dEZLzhHzDLqYRc9cnINSDgyGP5+Ep9kZvckQ 98KA== wl7EfQxLD6M4+d+pp4BYxGNrCbOYJqSZdje4Iak= Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:31:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:30:10 -0700 To: "Tim ." Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6473550564266465375== --00000000000030aa1f05a0a85d61 Hi Tim, I think you got some good advice on what to try to retrieve the data, and your last sentence is the solution: Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to deal with this PITA process. I would sign-up today for Google or O365 and move everything to One Drive or Google Drive. best, doug On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT > guys in this group..... > > I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked > up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as > files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. > > One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a > different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison > office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up > in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the > one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard > time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on > me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I > can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this > should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and > miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. > > What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to > this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? > > Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to > deal with this PITA process. > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000030aa1f05a0a85d61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tim,

I think you got some good advic= e on what to try to retrieve the data, and your last sentence is the soluti= on:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Next year we will be storing everything in the clo= ud so I won't have to deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I would sign-up toda= y for Google or O365 and move everything to One Drive or Google Drive.

best,

doug

=

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
<= /div>
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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--00000000000030aa1f05a0a85d61-- --===============6473550564266465375== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6473550564266465375==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 12:40:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2143A0333 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C48A02D6 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id h17so7369217otn.7 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=okpEa03ZJYtbobS0i5gmYPeEEg6Ji2MUMVPD3+ZJ69M=; b=h4lSDW11Z8PIx4XpL03ufr6gghvIh+rRX3C78AIAiJ9VFsbEkPnoCGGsMsypod1lHq OYB6DFJclq0ZoXssmFl3ro4UQ7jG69iEemg96MSdMPLK4k6JDUMiTquzD/VvUj/6eQdb yaLSmYc/obdgq3vxzX3hrCfdKEjptX5UGplb2X217a0dGh4ToUCrapVCyosHnBOwyq0K ErpK0iDVvt442ybhRcNIr5yLfSvMDKjuxEkU2kx4qUh+dcF32Ue6yTl2+lcZHCWu+u1Z UUHDGesbz9pWeLW1KOnCEi4qwn6IX5CG+NOXoazCkvbpRcxc1ab/7/JQKaEG1Aq97ksF m6dg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=okpEa03ZJYtbobS0i5gmYPeEEg6Ji2MUMVPD3+ZJ69M=; b=EG09umFYPNqWZLH0aKYM5pQV2MveJG9NCOGJanA5pVA9uC+l6n83MRcHEEiFOPETtU l3+YSJI5bYDJYzIgTkXK5mmNIlzk2mtDNcnj6vwiwODrkpGppidWckG84Us+JtczmhQU SPlR/BDAMEmVaXM3RZk0SQRCAUSEdSzfBIWIuLKB87VZqwnmi/37d4PuyntaA1eSgM0d FzuGhkMA+w1P2YdezDkCjYuguT3uPPqGtYS+QluBMe22Hcf2X4HaNVr8jxolcEMX971Y JtQ0aUQMCqOAiKAPmn1XksCz/6SgHDuU4ZRiDadG++YLuHIKvKLynE/Serp/DHAdtdyZ 4cmA== DUngEZ25UfcpCreHVZYMw6QGvuLyoPTAf19l86PT1Q== Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:40:13 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3813476823954028253== --00000000000014186d05a0acb199 I think I'm a late adopter and certainly not as sophisticated as I'd like, but I bought and finally put drives in a QNAP 3-bay NAS (networked attached storage). It's using RAID5 so it can tolerate one drive failure without losing the data. I'm now looking for an online backup for that, my thought being that even if the NAS dies I'll have it backed up as well. The issue I'm having is that the NAS holds 8TB of files and cloud backup of 8TB is expensive. Or more expensive than I thought it would be, anyway. For 512 GB, I'd think you could get a NAS with RAID6 (I think, Google it and don't listen to me) that tolerates two drive failures and a cheap online backup system. I'd sleep pretty well with that setup. And 512GB HDDs are downright cheap any more. The thing I bought says it'll auto-backup stuff from independent machines. Or rather, I assume you install a utility on the individual computers and schedule backups. Seems pretty nifty, even if I don't plan on using it. Scott On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT > guys in this group..... > > I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked > up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as > files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. > > One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a > different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison > office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up > in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the > one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard > time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on > me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I > can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this > should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and > miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. > > What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to > this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? > > Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to > deal with this PITA process. > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --00000000000014186d05a0acb199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I'm a late adopter and certainly not as sophis= ticated as I'd like, but I bought and finally put drives in a QNAP 3-ba= y NAS (networked attached storage). It's using RAID5 so it can tolerate= one drive failure without losing the data. I'm now looking for an onli= ne backup for that, my thought being that even if the NAS dies I'll hav= e it backed up as well.

The issue I'm having is that= the NAS holds 8TB of files and cloud backup of 8TB is expensive. Or more e= xpensive than I thought it would be, anyway.

For 5= 12 GB, I'd think you could get a NAS with RAID6 (I think, Google it and= don't listen to me) that tolerates two drive failures and a cheap onli= ne backup system. I'd sleep pretty well with that setup. And 512GB HDDs= are downright cheap any more.

The thing I bought = says it'll auto-backup stuff from independent machines. Or rather, I as= sume you install a utility on the individual computers and schedule backups= . Seems pretty nifty, even if I don't plan on using it.

S= cott

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote= :
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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--00000000000014186d05a0acb199-- --===============3813476823954028253== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3813476823954028253==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 12:58:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2FCA0A65 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-il1-f169.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D85CA08DE for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-il1-f169.google.com with SMTP id c8so6578730ilm.1 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Hi+q+mH+vBobULBaLrQ9nCXeOgnXIXhG6ohf7Oh73aw=; b=Jn7NZ52m77kR6yjK7CUtf7JWujli/TKz6PZcn4N6nhhTK3eDl0A8jCaPdtXGzR8VUQ J/zEEcHqHZ+fJ/AToyKd6w3bbtcARBKaPlQAAURf2zmBBKK1uQu06UrSXhHKLtS+yDgp O7qDTwiE3J9auUntzsjbzdiC7kc4XFJzY5GZY= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hi+q+mH+vBobULBaLrQ9nCXeOgnXIXhG6ohf7Oh73aw=; b=dwrnuAzN1ICY/T7DAptSa50oNbGRf3ITdlJgr6kjgo575bHbhzfAkxQGHWkCO843fU LuqGZ+1vSKF5hAqM1eT/8SS+paQDVekwVvd/e6EIM7n/lgpT5h2CnrvhWJLDJF3lQjSu uFAb8GmiUaS5kNUEjqXSjZKvZVUyUd0i4+pZHSnK0T8vBwIyHdSPud9n3Ko2K1BzfUS2 P60TpFK95w/ZublZFEtoD+IQoKrrHsVugXZ4IMC497X4araHk4Cs/A+FFJD8nQOaLsik gzOjyHtYn+jvtkIu53Cs/xglEHacBYWjR9ZoHRu+YcPa73W4hxW0wVYeg473wFfV+FmX 9qjw== peSSDYgz1T5SrJvNqwDi7BMJcYJUsUflWjdYpZKGBg== Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:57:32 -0400 To: "Tim ." Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: Doug Braun via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3727115876827080240== --000000000000aac90405a0aced27 A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much more reliable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you don't handle it roughly. Doug On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk wrote: > Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT > guys in this group..... > > I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked > up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as > files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. > > One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a > different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison > office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up > in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the > one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard > time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on > me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I > can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this > should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and > miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. > > What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to > this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? > > Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to > deal with this PITA process. > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > > --000000000000aac90405a0aced27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) shoul= d be much more reliable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as = you don't handle it roughly.

Doug

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . vi= a Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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--000000000000aac90405a0aced27-- --===============3727115876827080240== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3727115876827080240==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 08:15:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4494DA0D30 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BD4A0C88 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id z8so4196206qto.12 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:thread-index :content-language; bh=1veA9dPVCNCvILKoEyORIsvmO2zcIhmEmL2zfNtiDeM=; b=s4iCyshMhe2GsSx4oKanYJvIPkDaxUsdzKrezJ1b9yN4w8544OoGrSVJDKjRvSMClm 7o3wxoNhw0/fc6NY79ETNLlMgj/nKUIQwqRKbVObJXuxSx+HToK/XntJTHAlrf1rt+Z4 UnZ1bfiBq31JJxolVl/yBCXbRMBMEL/RzManpXgLyCxC4LIhuCNl0Ojnj9pb/2BO3afz lyYGFHmZ1UEuzfz+RgNdQvLTxRBV9loaEXFDWF894FktT3Dyvvw5QFuhmKdHs/xqkbBY hpMnCCfxg5yEVwhCQjfjmFnG922jEONZwuWzn6j12KtN27WKT42NX4tgmeWTLUwB1W4j uEXw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=1veA9dPVCNCvILKoEyORIsvmO2zcIhmEmL2zfNtiDeM=; b=ZbH+6k1EBfCv5ljhyVV/zrYYfKJkHWKHqTejKCmzQAvln2LDMrMtvs+0IYAkh5WmeO MWW0L3rl1itwcV/TBC/mRdxHRODS93JmsRRMAqsJcjImpOh60121AlcCk1UOgDKQoQiL 2AXkvheiyKo9LVg/lRkykn1CLckhDB34h2mgtzQ7G7VBOmBUDKdd1B2WhA1IfxKsGcLL XTNZp2EgPa5wgnRIHlozEO0svNUwvgBO0We8CkGOI/00EEINggYh9lD33hwYQc6YJaxb vsldLT0ColqEYD72TeIM+ItWWLyAIe3zaIXdWet9JsxuJFrq8iBeFMYopBqG3EFrfrJP bn6g== 1oaT9sDIYDQ62+nYLYUTM5tOzdvryH8= Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpenvy2 (c-76-112-183-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [76.112.183.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 82sm13335085qkd.62.2020.03.13.07.15.17 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:15:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:15:12 -0400 Thread-Index: AdX5QKNLuw5b3ISaTH+xLfXDVHoWYA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: Al Fuller via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2262239360603252113== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_106D_01D5F920.48CF6A00" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_106D_01D5F920.48CF6A00 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim: At the end of last year I had what looked for all the world like a memory problem in my main desktop. Although I know better, it was not backed up and the problem turned out to be a bad hard drive. This stranded ~1-2 Gb of data, and I was close to panic! I tried using my copy of SpinRite, but the drive was too far gone for that. Eventually I wound up sending the drive to $300 Data Recovery in Los Angeles. A couple of weeks later I paid them around $300 and got back a new SSD with 99% of the data on it, along with the old drive - which it turns out had a bad head. You might give them a call and see if they can help. See: https://www.300dollardatarecovery.com/our-abilities/ ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT guys in this group..... I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to deal with this PITA process. Thanks tim ------=_NextPart_000_106D_01D5F920.48CF6A00 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tim:  At the end of last year I had what looked = for all the world like a memory problem in my main desktop. Although I = know better, it was not backed up and the problem turned out to be a bad = hard drive. This stranded ~1-2 Gb of data, and I was close to panic! I = tried using my copy of SpinRite, but the drive was too far gone for = that.

 

Eventually I wound up sending the drive to $300 Data = Recovery in Los Angeles. A couple of weeks later I paid them around $300 = and got back a new SSD with 99% of the data on it, along with the old = drive – which it turns out had a bad head…  =

 

You might give them a call and see if they can = help.  See: https://www= .300dollardatarecovery.com/our-abilities/

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All the best,

Al = Fuller

 

Sending = this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT guys = in this group.....

 

I bought = three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up in = each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as files = are amended. They have approximately 450GB on = them.

 

One of = the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a different = brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A = second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our = MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one = that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard = time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap = on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. = I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this = should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails = and miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other = items. 

 

What I am = wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this nearly = impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed = here? 

 

Next year = we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to deal with = this PITA process. 

 

Thanks

tim

 

------=_NextPart_000_106D_01D5F920.48CF6A00-- --===============2262239360603252113== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2262239360603252113==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 15:16:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65745A0E33 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 15:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E82EA0DD3 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 15:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id a10so12087069ljp.11 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KRjUhMTlsyCGcKQRutxRbh8q/wTxz1fiXRIEdwl/zAE=; b=EvJOybYPFVqaDU3zOebeUnRQB1OgbsZes1Lk7M15fwpxlI7ByI+sBKVlg/7KmxtHGF aM1jyJlASXSRsXJIY5aSP2i92aFAmw6ef5LAphGUmcNmSLpwvfIqfLg+u2CtdIaiVRHW 4Gull7o9QCwfF/qz39RIcBiFzaGhLgVgLukcCvOBGa2iHoP780tcfVNBBtFUE68y3bNE Sk5gcgbVRv3WkmGSNR+m+3/acd+22ldEKk2fOdSRmXeejgNEE4ZD9YwsPl7rfr02BKJz nfWh5uRdv4X2RXvp6lW8ja8wYLSha8cMj/jbwnGJSshs4wpS/WoEJhCS1ShNPgxXi3+p qOyg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KRjUhMTlsyCGcKQRutxRbh8q/wTxz1fiXRIEdwl/zAE=; b=jSh0zc2lXvgEieY6XXEmFGW4fT68loociquVptjKGSlFSfPOjgFZnXqLmbvQPbAnId ykHI/QNO4fuuZv73YxWLIpD00fEzywIGaRrAmYPMuFqfZGEhnRVeeF0qmgoZPSteW01J 5RAhplCh/9DlUuVd6DmQM/4b2dxnPQelLpPD49Eyq/ZVy6gKwWgfItNOIcEFK74E7fsU +TAlFq8Wkkiqq1JDsMIYqznd76lUKs7OtRgMH3792I254S/OZXx0kHkVv41tDz+ePKp7 iYPTJqbOQucKtf9G/tH0VN3kvKhWKo7zlft6taCZrxdKqnTFDVroxxe67UxM35FOuHGT gnqQ== J0idmyp7ArpuiDonruGIW/c9zZC/roPpuLIKGwArMzWl Fri, 13 Mar 2020 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 17:17:01 -0400 To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3375349829795962097== --000000000000adf0d805a0c2fc9d If you go with the freezer route, seal the drive in a ziploc bag (you may need some RTV or other sealant to ensure the bag is sealed around the cables, as you'll want to run the drive while its cold) so the drive doesn't get condensate throughout when you pull it out of the freezer. Some desiccant in the bag would be helpful (could be rice or silica gel). It also could be further helpful to start with the bagged drive in a warm oven (not over 125 F) to drive moisture out and into the desiccant, followed by a graduated transition to the freezer (or the refrigerator, if sufficient). Don't just throw it directly from the oven into the freezer! The cloud is handy, but don't forget to back it up. I use OneDrive (as part of my Office 365 account), and use sync software on my NAS to sync the OneDrive. The NAS then backs up to BackBlaze B2 buckets. -Peter On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:31 AM old dirtbeard via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I think you got some good advice on what to try to retrieve the data, and > your last sentence is the solution: > > Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I > won't have to deal with this PITA process. > > I would sign-up today for Google or O365 and move everything to One Drive > or Google Drive. > > best, > > doug > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT >> guys in this group..... >> >> I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked >> up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as >> files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. >> >> One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a >> different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison >> office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up >> in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the >> one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard >> time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on >> me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I >> can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this >> should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and >> miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. >> >> What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to >> this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? >> >> Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to >> deal with this PITA process. >> >> Thanks >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000adf0d805a0c2fc9d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you go with the freezer route, seal the drive in a zipl= oc bag (you may need some RTV or other sealant to ensure the bag is sealed = around the
cables, as you'll want to run the drive while its cold) = so the drive doesn't get condensate throughout when you pull it out of = the freezer. Some
desiccant=C2=A0in the bag would be helpful (cou= ld be rice or silica gel).

It also could be further help= ful to start with the bagged drive in a warm oven (not over 125 F) to drive= moisture out and into the desiccant, followed by=C2=A0
a graduat= ed transition to the freezer (or the refrigerator, if sufficient). Don'= t just throw it directly from the oven into the freezer!

The cloud is handy, but don't forget to back it up. I use OneDri= ve (as part of my Office 365 account), and use sync software on my NAS to s= ync
the OneDrive. The NAS then backs up to BackBlaze B2 buckets.<= /div>

-Peter

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020= at 9:31 AM old dirtbeard via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi = Tim,

I think you got some good advice on what to try to = retrieve the data, and your last sentence is the solution:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud s= o I won't have to deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I would sign-up today for Google or O365 and= move everything to One Drive or Google Drive.

bes= t,

doug

On Thu, M= ar 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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I'd look at a combination of local USB drive as a backup destination, as well as BackBlaze B2 (also via HBS). They're one of the least expensive cloud storage providers out there, and they've been excellent for me thus far. I have a QNAP TS-873 at home, and I really like it. It is an investment, but it just works, and doesn't require constant fiddling to keep it working, unlike my 1986 BMW R80RT. -Peter On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:41 PM Scott Hall via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I think I'm a late adopter and certainly not as sophisticated as I'd like, > but I bought and finally put drives in a QNAP 3-bay NAS (networked attached > storage). It's using RAID5 so it can tolerate one drive failure without > losing the data. I'm now looking for an online backup for that, my thought > being that even if the NAS dies I'll have it backed up as well. > > The issue I'm having is that the NAS holds 8TB of files and cloud backup > of 8TB is expensive. Or more expensive than I thought it would be, anyway. > > For 512 GB, I'd think you could get a NAS with RAID6 (I think, Google it > and don't listen to me) that tolerates two drive failures and a cheap > online backup system. I'd sleep pretty well with that setup. And 512GB HDDs > are downright cheap any more. > > The thing I bought says it'll auto-backup stuff from independent machines. > Or rather, I assume you install a utility on the individual computers and > schedule backups. Seems pretty nifty, even if I don't plan on using it. > > Scott > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT >> guys in this group..... >> >> I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked >> up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as >> files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. >> >> One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a >> different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison >> office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up >> in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the >> one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard >> time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on >> me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I >> can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this >> should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and >> miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. >> >> What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to >> this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? >> >> Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to >> deal with this PITA process. >> >> Thanks >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000bbfb8e05a0c3257b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott-

Look at Hybrid Backup Sync on yo= ur QNAP for automatic backup capability. I'd look at a combination=C2= =A0of local USB drive
as a backup destination, as well as BackBlaze B2 = (also via HBS). They're one of the least expensive cloud storage
<= div>providers out there, and they've been excellent for me thus far.=C2= =A0

I have a QNAP TS-873 at home, and I really lik= e it. It is an investment, but it just works, and doesn't require const= ant
fiddling to keep it working, unlike my 1986 BMW R80RT.
<= div>
-Peter

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:41 PM Scott = Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I think I'm a late= adopter and certainly not as sophisticated as I'd like, but I bought a= nd finally put drives in a QNAP 3-bay NAS (networked attached storage). It&= #39;s using RAID5 so it can tolerate one drive failure without losing the d= ata. I'm now looking for an online backup for that, my thought being th= at even if the NAS dies I'll have it backed up as well.

<= div>The issue I'm having is that the NAS holds 8TB of files and cloud b= ackup of 8TB is expensive. Or more expensive than I thought it would be, an= yway.

For 512 GB, I'd think you could get a NA= S with RAID6 (I think, Google it and don't listen to me) that tolerates= two drive failures and a cheap online backup system. I'd sleep pretty = well with that setup. And 512GB HDDs are downright cheap any more.

The thing I bought says it'll auto-backup stuff from i= ndependent machines. Or rather, I assume you install a utility on the indiv= idual computers and schedule backups. Seems pretty nifty, even if I don'= ;t plan on using it.

Scott

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:26 = AM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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A few of my own: freeze the drive=97probably try this. baking it=97it=92s coated in rubber so probably not a good idea. One Drive or Google Drive=97We will be in totally in the cloud once our new= case management system is done being built. Flash drives or spinning hard drives=97as the title of the post says: =93Fl= ash drives=94 A USB portable hard drive should be much more reliable=97this is what I wan= ted to do/use but management told me to get flash drives. John Innis=97great reply thanks. I=92ll pass this one to the idiots=85er=85= I mean management. Al Fuller=97I=92ll pass your info along if I am not able to access this dri= ve after freezing it. Thanks again. tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . via S= hop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 7:26 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group..... I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that = has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard time retrie= ving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on me. It took = over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I can't even atte= mpt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should matter, but = the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellaneous audio= or video files and possibly other items. What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea= l with this PITA process. Thanks tim --_000_CH2PR04MB6505B1BBDAB0253E53F6FB8DB4FB0CH2PR04MB6505namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the replies all. 

A few of my own: 

freeze the drive=97probably try this. 
baking it=97it=92s coated in rubber so probably not a good idea.

One Drive or Google Drive=97We will be in totally in the cloud once ou= r new case management system is done being built.

Flash drives or spinning hard drives=97as the title of the post says: = =93Flash drives=94

A USB portable hard drive should be much more reliable=97this is what = I wanted to do/use but management told me to get flash drives.

John Innis=97great reply thanks. I=92ll pass this one to the idiots=85= er=85I mean management.

Al Fuller=97I=92ll pass your info along if I am not able to access thi= s drive after freezing it.

Thanks again. 
tim

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 7:26 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives
 
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items. 

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? 

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to dea= l with this PITA process. 

Thanks
tim
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 I'm sure you are all getting more shop time.

I have a question about eye protection.  I ALWAYS wear eye pro in the shop, so they often get scratched and marred and need replacement.

What is a good method for eye pro?  Should I go cheap and just replace when they get scratched?  Or are there better quality ones out there that don't get scratch easily and can last longer?

And where is a good source to get them?

Thanks in advance.  Stay safe!

Eric
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Question about eye protection.

Is it better to get cheap ones and toss them when they get scratched or are there better quality ones that don't scratch as easy?

I am looking for a source to get more, but I was wondering what others may have found over the years.

Thanks.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0063C1588525852B_=-- --===============1872459002742788958== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1872459002742788958==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 12:14:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE0AA11C8 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 12:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D711DA0D21 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 12:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id h17so13595017otn.7 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cfgNn9y821VrCJLk7tR8aKU9E2PF37/s5u46Dfgv4dg=; b=PvOdoYtWehbXvN0+g+Yzla4o5jsEZCM69rkOykWyIZSfYNUgxjKyKQ4J3UerQjwtfk 92RObmVDQHgQwOprfkDR9RC9ubQSbuLagd42KmIl1hswDnL/ToWw9QxzVMT6TVhNPJ5l hp2V1zzjqHGHvFkHlzb99gu2kgf93g8qODOPFasgr3xctiZXJUVdywAHjs546B1fbcGO 5Qbtgk0jp9wnMRzO8xvjhk50+rM0qnAWNPbSY5WW3jf+HTubkOTVMQWF/uqzw4tS0Z+4 IEy29+tre6j3cid7UAhCz7tDthRD9pXGt5nDLSbJNvwrU9B70tJ5pG9B/GO/mj41zJ/S PAOA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cfgNn9y821VrCJLk7tR8aKU9E2PF37/s5u46Dfgv4dg=; b=ds4zQj4KCsSukIpVNIQkct/P0USMdXhmAQIAg934ojg1lFEYAvDgDSWntt1IcMSO5/ IJaXYQpLFVGJ5WOXYiMm1EOW51pKJtrG755rgq9fP8IK7Kq2ElTbFVPq9w1nGV3gyrvO ygugorjLoqUxloNJyKHsuqjxKEPPwqC+ZhzNpbKdi04c9e23pQ133oI6gwcWURIk1kQH H0v1mog8TFt6aqjwAiyEvCMBpC6UZNLHtttSJXr4uPi6DjYrY5z0+BVegbLht+3hl62U y/XHq8GEYYqvCShdZQDsbNu0i0oRU8dxdzoptLxqwVxBiAhRwEyKvfPHMt8eADRlBSKM knQw== nrmz7xYSLqXM6OKdaQapE36zU0BAuE8rhqKuXchp0o78 l17mr16054229otd.275.1584209643895; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 14:13:53 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Pro From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7661024054782896889== --00000000000013033005a0d48d75 On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM John Miller via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > What is a good method for eye pro? > Buy them in bulk so there's always a pair handy no matter where you're working. And wear them. > > And where is a good source to get them? > > I just buy them in bulk from ULINE and toss when they're uglier than I > want to try cleaning. > I recently took a tour of the BMW factory in South Carolina. Best tour I ever took, because they introduced me to a brand of safety glasses that actually fit over my regular prescription glasses. https://www.amazon.com/MCR-OG112AF-Safety-Glasses-Anti-Fog/dp/B07Q84TFDD?th=1 Once you know the make and model you want, Google Shopping is your friend. I can find these for less than $4 a pair, which makes them cheap enough to buy in bulk, and cheap enough to toss when they are too nasty to see through. Make sure that whatever you buy has the proper ANSI rating and is from a reputable source. You can spend a lot on safety glasses and still spend less than you would on a replacement eyeball. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --00000000000013033005a0d48d75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 12:11 PM John= Miller via Shop-talk <shop-= talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> What is a good method for eye pro? =C2=A0

Buy them in bulk so there's always a pair ha= ndy no matter where you're working.=C2=A0 And wear them.
=C2= =A0
> And where is a good source to get them?

I just buy them in bulk from ULINE and toss when they're uglier than I =
want to try cleaning.

I recently took a tour of the BMW factory = in South Carolina.=C2=A0 Best tour I ever took, because they introduced me = to a brand of safety glasses that actually fit over my regular prescription= glasses.


=
Once you know the make and model you want, Google Shopping is yo= ur friend.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I can find these for less than $4 a pair, which make= s them cheap enough to buy in bulk, and cheap enough to toss when they are = too nasty to see through.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Make sure th= at whatever you buy has the proper ANSI rating and is from a reputable sour= ce.=C2=A0 You can spend a lot on safety glasses and still spend less than y= ou would on a replacement eyeball.

Jeff Scarbrough=
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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=
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:22 AM Tim = . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@a= utox.team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
A USB portable hard drive should be much more reliable=E2= =80=94this is what I wanted to do/use but management told me to get flash d= rives.=C2=A0

I hope management h= ave been informed of the cost of that decision.=C2=A0
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I've told my supervisor where it most likely won't go anywhere else= . ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbr= ough via Shop-talk Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:15 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:22 AM Tim . via Shop-talk
oh yea. I've told my supervisor where it most likely won't go anywhere else= . 

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &l= t;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:15 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives
 


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ti= m . via Shop-talk <shop-talk= @autox.team.net> wrote:
 
A USB portable hard drive should be much mor= e reliable=97this is what I wanted to do/use but management told me to get = flash drives. 

I hope management have been informed of the cost of that decision.&nbs= p;
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But I worry that cheap ones are more likely to shatter when hit= with something major=2E No evidence of that as yet, but something to think= about=2E How much is your eyesight worth?
-- Randall

On 14 March 2020 11:09:35 GMT-07:00, eric--- via Shop-talk= <shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> wrote:
Hello all, I'm send= ing this again because I didn't see it come through at all

Question about eye protection=2E

Is it better to get cheap ones and toss them when they get scratched or are there better quality ones that don't scratch as easy?

I am looking fo= r a source to get more, but I was wondering what others may have found over the years=2E

Thanks=2E


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory=2E" Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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At first glance, I would think that something with no moving parts would be more reliable than something with moving parts, if both are manufactured to the same standard. -Steve T. At 02:57 PM 3/12/2020, Doug Braun via Shop-talk wrote: >A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much >more reliable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you >don't handle it roughly. > >Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 12:52:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA84BA0807 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 12:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE74A0E63 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 12:50:44 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1584211841; bh=irnVSLrnvTxLwOTfOxRUQzsXF2TRjnVpc9LOnAquvNI=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=Lr/e9DPv/bVCRR3e1DZfolLuC/8gF+IAslYWxQVa87t8VxpH+PQQHOPlli21FSgpm wdkG309dVIlJwU+LlrYPkEMbt0lPK4AfRwE6HXapjK7MJfBQ6QuCj2p4OQSI1yFh2k DqWPEeo7vmGpwatpn5hhJ+ICla8ariu173yjMB0jEiLPAwgah8Sk2wmg7+O6DZi7PV /bruwVtn9/5R8/BSkInbOwOaEgWQmmUe22OmUrUTgUfeCNaTDzwKB0JvRw091EUHD0 g850qwAPTJxLCZsP3AcSWFL74Ee8KfFJ9euaJzlOB0ENfUCuobhAL/YuQJNdtB8yie sBynCQhdaSC1w== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4620760419; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 18:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:50:39 -0500 References: <7E96B716-D157-46D6-83F2-807AE8EF2C49@ca.rr.com> To: Randall definitions=2020-03-14_06:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2003140101 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Pro From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5444929951997590563== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-04807EAC-5AF4-4507-97D0-2BBCB1B5D728 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wear safety regular glasses all the time. I don=E2=80=99t keep the side sh= ields on them unless I am grinding or such. My glasses insurance covers one r= eplacement lens set and/or frame per year. Hardly ever use regular safety gl= asses except when weed eating or working under vehicles.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity > On Mar 14, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Randall via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 =EF=BB=BFAll glasses get scratched eventually. My experience has been that c= heap ones are no worse than expensive ones in that regard. But I worry that cheap ones are more likely to shatter when hit with somethi= ng major. No evidence of that as yet, but something to think about. How much= is your eyesight worth? -- Randall > On 14 March 2020 11:09:35 GMT-07:00, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > Hello all, I'm sending this again because I didn't see it come through at a= ll=20 >=20 > Question about eye protection.=20 >=20 > Is it better to get cheap ones and toss them when they get scratched or ar= e there better quality ones that don't scratch as easy?=20 >=20 > I am looking for a source to get more, but I was wondering what others may= have found over the years.=20 >=20 > Thanks.=20 >=20 >=20 > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b= eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson=20 > -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-04807EAC-5AF4-4507-97D0-2BBCB1B5D728 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wear safety regular glasses all the time.= I don=E2=80=99t keep the side shields on them unless I am grinding or such.= My glasses insurance covers one replacement lens set and/or frame per year.= Hardly ever use regular safety glasses except when weed eating or working u= nder vehicles. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

<= /div>

On Mar 14, 2020, a= t 1:41 PM, Randall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=
=EF=BB=BFAll glasses get scratched e= ventually. My experience has been that cheap ones are no worse than expensiv= e ones in that regard.

But I worry that cheap ones are more likely to= shatter when hit with something major. No evidence of that as yet, but some= thing to think about. How much is your eyesight worth?
-- Randall

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On 14 March 2020 11:09:35 GMT-07:00, eric--- via S= hop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Hello all, I'm sendin= g this again because I didn't see it come through at all

Question about eye protection.

Is it better to get cheap ones and toss them when they get scratched or are there better quality ones that don't scratch as easy?

I am looking for a source to get more, but I was wondering what others may have found over the years.

Thanks.


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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve= n Trovato via Shop-talk <sho= p-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Why is that?=C2=A0 At first glance, I would think that= something with no
moving parts would be more reliable than something with moving parts,
if both are manufactured to the same standard.

<= div>Flash memory has a limited number of read-write cycles.=C2=A0 It's = usually a large number, but the process is inherently riskier than magnetic= memory (or so I'm told).

Modern hard drives p= ark the heads when it's not in operation, so if the drive isn't spi= nning, it's difficult to damage the media short of a long drop or subme= rsion.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
--000000000000b84af105a0d5271d-- --===============0005882010634312465== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0005882010634312465==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 13:06:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54642A12C7 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC46DA022F for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1584212796; bh=yDA8HHApBVGkQ5TeXXLnY6vvWwO77GI4aYSslSYG7s0=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=rQjHAnUE28rGWdLlEb5Ewj2OpZ7ghzm+u56zeS+28WX8PLmZDvBuCzJXKGnWk7Clj UN1JnpZxCvCUm8qrYPz3PkdkZ8F/fsAR75tcZDrO0n4KUQ46220baVsYHJ1g5uwzHM 85sjM9ej+WfZtBGzPuH+OOyqXQlIRtwq1xNEo8gCvWj8p6tKVzs3spmVfMZRz6cKAs E6NJgnLY9ExZFUpLkBTd8YsiAU3hCQo+uqPEuMenSwOh9b+xQHoip8Hci2SmiUk3AK YOrcqEkWGURR1X15QIFhzShVQRdfPYXzLSrYSia8cGK9hbh/4w0Oc3cE3ZomdiwbUF UtXT+ORu/RY0A== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14B1264032C; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 14:06:22 -0500 References: To: Jeff Scarbrough definitions=2020-03-14_06:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2003140103 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8801167629868406245== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-2ECBB4C5-4D1B-4E88-922C-F202006BB190 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My understanding of flash drive wear out is that it=E2=80=99s not as bad as i= t seems. While the write count is in the thousands, it takes a long time to g= et there. The flash file system spreads the writes - even rewrites out to ev= en out the writes on the media. Let=E2=80=99s say you have a number that you= increment as a counter. Each time it is rewritten it is written in a differ= ent place, making the drives pretty robust. Another thing, when a location e= ventually dies, the previous data is still there, just becomes read only, so= the data can bee retrieved.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity > On Mar 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 =EF=BB=BF > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk wrote: > Why is that? At first glance, I would think that something with no=20 > moving parts would be more reliable than something with moving parts,=20 > if both are manufactured to the same standard. Flash memory has a limited number of read-write cycles. It's usually a larg= e number, but the process is inherently riskier than magnetic memory (or so I= 'm told). Modern hard drives park the heads when it's not in operation, so if the driv= e isn't spinning, it's difficult to damage the media short of a long drop or= submersion. =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-2ECBB4C5-4D1B-4E88-922C-F202006BB190 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My understanding of flash drive wear out is= that it=E2=80=99s not as bad as it seems. While the write count is in the t= housands, it takes a long time to get there. The flash file system spreads t= he writes - even rewrites out to even out the writes on the media. Let=E2=80= =99s say you have a number that you increment as a counter. Each time it is r= ewritten it is written in a different place, making the drives pretty robust= . Another thing, when a location eventually dies, the previous data is still= there, just becomes read only, so the data can bee retrieved. 
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity

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On Mar 14, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough v= ia Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

On Sat, Ma= r 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Why is that?  At first gla= nce, I would think that something with no
moving parts would be more reliable than something with moving parts,
if both are manufactured to the same standard.

Flash memory has a limited number of read-write cycles.  It's usuall= y a large number, but the process is inherently riskier than magnetic memory= (or so I'm told).

Modern hard drives park the head= s when it's not in operation, so if the drive isn't spinning, it's difficult= to damage the media short of a long drop or submersion.   
<= /div>
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Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBD7A0822 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5F0DFF805; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 19:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:38:46 -0400 To: Dwade Reinsch References: <4A0B3CC4-BCB6-4D6D-90CF-8B63DB6BC2ED@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quarantine project fun From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2238917641085445722== boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A9555FB-7A8A-4815-A532-90BFE033BD37"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_5A9555FB-7A8A-4815-A532-90BFE033BD37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 It didn't. Re-using the old seals worked, at least well enough to not = leak combustible amounts of gas. I was able to use a piece of cardboard = to shade the sun and confirm flame was everywhere it should be and = nowhere it shouldn't.=20 jim > On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Dwade Reinsch = wrote: >=20 > Who is test number two successful because the Weber did catch on fire! = Or because it didn=E2=80=99t catch on fire!? >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFA friend gave another friend an old Weber gas grill. New = recipient somehow proceeds to set it on fire and demands giver come get = it and take it away. Third friend (me) is tired of the bickering and = retrieves it and keeps it.=20 >>=20 >> Over the winter I bought new burners, knobs, igniter, full gas tank. = Assembled it all today. Turn it on. Foomp burner one. 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Cheap enough, and you should be able to jam them between the post and the concrete. Bonus is you can use two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up. (Two, assuming the rails will hold it plum from side to side, otherwise four to hold it independently of the efence). Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to > fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts > appear to be in good condition, ie: no rot, except for the fact they are > set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on > the concrete. > What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? > I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years. > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000c701ca05a0f61866 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about some plastic door/window shims?=C2=A0 Cheap enou= gh, and you should be able to jam them between the post and the concrete.= =C2=A0 Bonus is you can use two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up= .=C2=A0 (Two, assuming the rails will hold it plum=C2=A0from side to side, = otherwise four to hold it independently of the efence).

= Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at= 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fi= x. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts app= ear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact they are= set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on = the concrete.
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
Bob Nogueira
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--000000000000c701ca05a0f61866-- --===============8977639013884761082== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8977639013884761082==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 05:42:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4EFA0B2F for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863DCA0B00 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D086FE000B; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:41:48 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fence posts From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3832572745442252871== boundary="Apple-Mail=_DFD7D508-A2D2-4B51-8792-99FE690B59ED"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_DFD7D508-A2D2-4B51-8792-99FE690B59ED boundary="Apple-Mail=_0ADA52A8-9592-430D-8B78-6D0A89B3C6FF" --Apple-Mail=_0ADA52A8-9592-430D-8B78-6D0A89B3C6FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I would do this, even cedar shims would likely last long enough, or pour = more cement (with no aggregate) into the gaps.=20 jim > On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > How about some plastic door/window shims? Cheap enough, and you = should be able to jam them between the post and the concrete. Bonus is = you can use two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up. (Two, = assuming the rails will hold it plum from side to side, otherwise four = to hold it independently of the efence). >=20 > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. >=20 > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk = >=20 > Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need = to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the = posts appear to be in good condition, ie: no rot, except for the fact = they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts = are loose on the concrete. > What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?=20 > I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years. > Bob Nogueira=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0ADA52A8-9592-430D-8B78-6D0A89B3C6FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = would do this, even cedar shims would likely last long enough, or pour = more cement (with no aggregate) into the gaps. 

jim

On Mar = 16, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

How about some plastic door/window shims?  Cheap enough, = and you should be able to jam them between the post and the = concrete.  Bonus is you can use two or four per hole if you need to = plumb it up.  (Two, assuming the rails will hold it plum from = side to side, otherwise four to hold it independently of the = efence).

Jeff = Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao = via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to = fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the = posts appear to be in good condition,  ie: no rot, except for the = fact they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the = posts are loose on the concrete.
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
Bob Nogueira
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Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:21:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <80caa4e4-a869-3ed8-726c-b1780d300b5c@landform.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:20:19 -0700 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fence posts From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8942531472889431232== --000000000000fa8e3c05a0f7da20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, I have not tried it for your particular application here, but polymeric sand might work well. It is the sand that you use to lock pavers into place= : https://www.acehardware.com/departments/building-supplies/concrete-cement-a= nd-masonry/sand-and-gravel/5409594?x429=3Dtrue&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI55_S5_ye= 6AIVlBh9Ch3YfAHlEAQYASABEgKeCPD_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:06 AM nick brearley via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I would try expanding pu foam. Used it in the past for similar needs and > been surprised at its durability. Got the idea after seeing it used for > fixing median safety barriers. Concrete block cast in the ground with a > hole in, post dropped in the hole during fence fix then foamed into > place. Got the impression it was a temporary job during road works. But > even so it was beside live traffic so you imagine somebody signed it off > as suitable. > > Cheap and easy. > > Nick Brearley > > On 16/03/2020 04:12, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote: > > Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need t= o > fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts > appear to be in good condition, ie: no rot, except for the fact they are > set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on > the concrete. > > What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? > > I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years. > > Bob Nogueira > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nick@landform.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --000000000000fa8e3c05a0f7da20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,

I have not tried it for your pa= rticular application here, but polymeric sand might work well. It is the sa= nd that you use to lock pavers=C2=A0into place:

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:06 AM nick brearley via Shop-talk= <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I = would try expanding pu foam. Used it in the past for similar needs and
been surprised at its durability. Got the idea after seeing it used for fixing median safety barriers. Concrete block cast in the ground with a hole in, post dropped in the hole during fence fix then foamed into
place. Got the impression it was a temporary job during road works. But even so it was beside live traffic so you imagine somebody signed it off as suitable.

Cheap and easy.

Nick Brearley

On 16/03/2020 04:12, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote:
> Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need = to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the post= s appear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact the= y are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loos= e on the concrete.
> What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?
> I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
> Bob Nogueira
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I was thinking Simpson foundation epoxy. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 10:43:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE3A0B9E for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f51.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9433A0B7A for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f51.google.com with SMTP id m25so2914673vsa.7 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CgnDP/TRR0NrV1lBZHeIQ3jltNnQm1qgI2R4g2tbdoQ=; b=VwZ8Wb0F7HvL67MI6Jr8thxEFQ2VBy7ZIdbddCxYoK8/rNb3CeptfDwjLgW88l4h0l BDZDnrX5eve/ADT82AS2BgbaO6IAugs2dO7YEgRV4iXWlX/PT83sSVdtwy0UIEKqR4Jp hZMxMICHvJ9ZU9+VPBUIaroIid/VhuPtplKQg= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CgnDP/TRR0NrV1lBZHeIQ3jltNnQm1qgI2R4g2tbdoQ=; b=RSL0fJ21tp3SMZGqzGGglIEJwS5PkuB1Ce7xhLN3HxpP1pQ7e5GU7PUZT/KngBREYq papAJExZV9pHyTm4LcngSxOxGopQkSFu4PFXzr2zQlD138tyLVspK9qEziDtcM9eL1yL s5mcubLVVw+aZhNjTlki/J1ycXxOkc0Gm0Wx7XqAuc1B3eAHO7wcdqe3T3S1mqst/bLE YN3ey03C8DHHDykWB2uIkDBUgSL4h/5GymD/K0ED4hHO5FmtQqQZ5H5xkooOGVjat9hM +eKxUKBGYXel5Pmr8Jbw0nQectSzJqUaXnUYZnnUdZiWs2q3ET/dqntNBZ/qB50M9vvq MHXQ== BcK5Q/vT3nQIgsED7zHEptxrblml6GHiKS0OI+LF2A== v28mr426797vsa.91.1584377012866; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 09:43:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:43:21 -0400 To: Robert Nogueirao Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fence posts From: Ian McFetridge via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4439809924621720307== --0000000000000ae32005a0fb8555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've used crushed granite (fine gray gravel) for this on my posts. In fact, I only used concrete on the corners and the line posts are just set in CG. The upside is that it self-settles around the post and is easy to top-off. Note, this is crushed granite, which forms a hard pack versus composed granite, which makes for soft walking paths. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to > fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts > appear to be in good condition, ie: no rot, except for the fact they are > set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on > the concrete. > What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? > I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years. > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --0000000000000ae32005a0fb8555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've used crushed granite (fine gray gravel) for this = on my posts.=C2=A0 In fact, I only used concrete=C2=A0on the corners and th= e line posts are just set in CG.=C2=A0 The upside is that=C2=A0it self-sett= les around the post and is easy to top-off.=C2=A0 Note, this is crushed gra= nite, which forms a hard pack versus composed granite, which makes=C2=A0for= soft walking paths.=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nog= ueirao via Shop-talk <shop-t= alk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fi= x. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts app= ear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact they are= set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on = the concrete.
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
Bob Nogueira
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This = discussion of using flash [or other electronic non-volatile memory for = storage] reminds me of how we used to treat magnetic tape used for = backups. Since it was known to have a limited number of cycles, we kept = track of use, and retired the media BEFORE it began to show symptoms of = degrading.=C2=A0 I suspect people still using tape continue to actively = manage the media=E2=80=A6

 

----------------

All the best,

 

Al = Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk = <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jeff = Scarbrough via Shop-talk
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:57 = PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [Shop-talk] OT flash drives

 

 

 

On = Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>= wrote:

Why is = that?  At first glance, I would think that something with no =
moving parts would be more reliable than something with moving = parts,
if both are manufactured to the same = standard.

 

Flash memory has a limited number of read-write = cycles.  It's usually a large number, but the process is inherently = riskier than magnetic memory (or so I'm = told).

 

Modern hard drives park the heads when it's not in = operation, so if the drive isn't spinning, it's difficult to damage the = media short of a long drop or submersion.  =  

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[76.112.183.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z66sm277883qkb.94.2020.03.16.11.24.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:24:28 -0700 (PDT) To: References: <3e7b9f76-9fb1-0978-4ade-0520a083a802@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:24:26 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJsMrqSvVS4GOTZyBVr2QpfNkS9hwMz4dz4AU0b4ToBW04nTKbwNnzw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Pro From: Al Fuller via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What he said... I was hit directly in the eye on a racquetball court twice in a long playing career. Once I had on eyeguards, and (only) had to have my face x-rayed to ensure the orbit socket wasn't broken. One of the few times I didn't have them on I got hit and lost sight in the eye. Luckily it came back (with some permanent loss of vision), and I have never been on a court - even to practice - without eyeguards in 20+ years. In the shop, there is a pair sitting literally ON the grinder, and several pair hanging on a curtain rod in the top tool box. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of John Miller via Shop-talk Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 4:26 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Pro On 3/14/2020 11:13 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote: > You can spend a lot on safety glasses and still spend less than you > would on a replacement eyeball. Word. 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Once I had on eyeguards, and (only) had to have my face x-rayed to > ensure the orbit socket wasn't broken. One of the few times I didn't have > them on I got hit and lost sight in the eye. Luckily it came back (with some > permanent loss of vision), and I have never been on a court - even to > practice - without eyeguards in 20+ years. > > In the shop, there is a pair sitting literally ON the grinder, and several > pair hanging on a curtain rod in the top tool box. I'll throw these out there, as they're what I've ordered at times: https://www.uline.com/BL_8952/Uline-Economy-Safety-Goggles The basic answer if you need something that fits over glasses, do not need splash protection, and is readily disposable if abraded. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 12:34:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03505A0C06 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60393A0BEB for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f45.google.com with SMTP id q128so18231581iof.9 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tnU9S3K1hSxHr/maq7QCNC+Se5W/HP+3LzwHgybhul4=; b=LjPbk2wsjsCM0D0DsrAfEmXlP1UMnghuALha+SDj8smzLGIEY4vKkb6e9hQo311aIQ +8LuiUEkrEiMufeZBYhLriIJyA7NAdjSKyTYPMD5cbggPmD1RlFCZ94oTdGNVeWjWzvL ftwo3ORTIzBhOvGxJYceZS2aI5Rg3HNzMtT5mffFvYMEybL5xXcNwB+DL1vadGizSf/Q 0X1vwySR+nHjru87iojRyHSBKsRmZu4W/Lns9pw6a2/kTR5k28f+KDOL46Op+d5R1JLV XGCNMJexrm5ztYO+7j+6pkH5F0mobhzUdn6uKXxx21Kirg9U0bR9Ry77tM1dEILLaYsB wqIg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tnU9S3K1hSxHr/maq7QCNC+Se5W/HP+3LzwHgybhul4=; b=Tj166eWihgxn5tZu77HQt4FHlY8i9n0T6FFk5/QM6syk8tsRxt2EZB7gyx3dDhcg6V kdbZpr89BgmJacCCG7BOFOnnLktkLEX222aaSJYKMW1LGXw3YgvEF4zST92BSXaF0q87 hGU8dmCwYd45gyA6dSyOa6d7/poXCDRaBNHVrkVEilEyyu5L1wFS6zjOTDnB2M1h5G6g Y/pCi3+2ORFeyElFmzT1NjmZ+prGvMMsdtZhfX6QYMaK/F8ZCcoarwluzJZ8IL/0kxoU Z3PVkrNeXqrgINM14e8ypPJ90CqFZZYaePqiFZ1ZcLWQyhXxzXDeWQDPI+Eihu94a5y5 3tFA== RNlb4ZGzfy2oZJs2fi2HP9NknWTvhVPX9ti6UO1SNO2d Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:34:26 -0500 To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2572609439102667288== --0000000000004a2ee205a0fd1294 Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com --0000000000004a2ee205a0fd1294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Covid-19 is around.=C2=A0 How are you doing?

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Phil Ethier = West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph St= ag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburb= an 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White
2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.com
--0000000000004a2ee205a0fd1294-- --===============2572609439102667288== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2572609439102667288==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 12:41:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B02BA0C3F for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466CDA0BF9 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:40:53 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1584384050; bh=nkw1nueip2guZRgZTTe0JuoCcKbfy6qa//1dHNoQjmo=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=TI4wNpQfGLCMs4WDb+dHG5GbVjlkR57hEczPCaaxCvfJeU/6vaIGwllq7Mj2iF0vB 7mmddc7ILJzEjdUJHQBzbWgPUoCUsntMR1TnhJKdnhxsVnmu9Ki1S/gKR+3e7UwJHw Kxlo6ZKUH6YqWVFF5eOfeY6xelGY/jqkFsV7K79LIlYKXUv97P0iFl5WNqwkfV/J91 EboPEa+zX7PWzSKC0xnnqfd+bchxfQWbVxaUoKrTMMjW25R45Jji2+SIfOK8DEHRkb OvTMycBu324MyVCmtbWid/daBP6W598p/0sX9BVJy9Gw/wLw5ybJX6hShb23NE/Te1 8z4YgI/ECMbPQ== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 900D2780708; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:40:49 -0500 References: To: Philip Ethier definitions=2020-03-16_08:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2003160080 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3159507618139892448== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-9C1D4E99-6DB8-4E5B-89B3-9A3100CAD45F charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just finishing off a case of Strep Throat so I=E2=80=99m planning on delayin= g Corvid-19 for a bit. Seriously, not counting the military-controlled folks= there are 4 cases within 50 mile radius of me, 20 miles south of austin tx.= =20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity > On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 =EF=BB=BF Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? --=20 Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-9C1D4E99-6DB8-4E5B-89B3-9A3100CAD45F charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just finishing off a case of Strep Throat s= o I=E2=80=99m planning on delaying Corvid-19 for a bit. Seriously, not count= ing the military-controlled folks there are 4 cases within 50 mile radius of= me, 20 miles south of austin tx. 

Peace,
= Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Human= ity


On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@auto= x.team.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFCovid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

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2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red= 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2006 Gulf Stream Con= quest Super C, 8.1, White
2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Ox= ford White
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Thread-Index: AQHV+8GRmAQQb8ehbkWXy4vk1cDtWqhLjapc Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:43:25 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:9116A18F87C3C90B7D87C56B024D34DEF6FCFB57A9CEF4D7D07DF3E09C094856; UpperCasedChecksum:6D2DA73E712B19B49E7F0674D47F28CF8FB9F6AF87B4E6B6F6E812E098FD3F7E; SizeAsReceived:6889; Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [buTrjGKFCmezlAfZLoEE28C6n/XGLi82] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b861681f-4043-40ea-0c58-08d7c9d9e92b x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6NAM11HT115: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: pRsmioAmael+4XvbWCBekhxkaxqGvxgVWUAtPgd2Sd6TBK+wEU1EANf417ZCaJNI2/RGIxt3VzSaf7NxfXdVCSsq0X00GqDp4jbfsIvOl2a2yv7453lB58LyS6ueQqXDBuHAwdeaZ+ubRWyRkRKaQ9xrTp/Q7W285fqY9hqgUL5Q+BtBGYIi+cYvNS1SBvrd6IeXABsCjCBT8G+60cl8P6aKB7B5TD6JCLzib3kSuu8= x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 4a315DSWfhacfRlp6m4NSu8Q2sHvs5hlyHYSwm8Ptz7woY3Y0EblD9qnFSlw54y2y50EgW7TSmIshJySO1htWTDYLXr8BVZbSFf7kIISn7OvOPHzXQVo/cqDphglBHh1vEAA4IVQGF2GqzcG1lYp5A== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3365722562168693694== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MW2PR07MB39782291CB1EF6966DFEB424BBF90MW2PR07MB3978namp_" --_000_MW2PR07MB39782291CB1EF6966DFEB424BBF90MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doing ok in Nampa, ID. Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic= buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country i= f we were ever faced with an actual crisis. Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Philip Ethi= er via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:34 PM To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com --_000_MW2PR07MB39782291CB1EF6966DFEB424BBF90MW2PR07MB3978namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doing ok in Nampa, ID. Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic= buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country i= f we were ever faced with an actual crisis.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:34 PM
To: Shop-Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
 
Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

--
Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA=
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Bl= ue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White
2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White
http://www.mnautox.= com
--_000_MW2PR07MB39782291CB1EF6966DFEB424BBF90MW2PR07MB3978namp_-- --===============3365722562168693694== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3365722562168693694==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 12:49:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53406A0C2F for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE294A0673 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f182.google.com with SMTP id d63so18964328oig.6 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=knP2B8AiCZcz17XjPExjP2x97YRL2tcOCRdFZWg0tks=; b=C4BbP8GmTjyeLf/9Rgo4KyDaLMzXQx6MdN6FY21rskhJiubV//n48hfbMA5LxtLBt2 hmjIC0VEOuNUVPYYa6jsP18REsHdXtnBP1skRYqi7InLuMuFwBZWtam5fo/MlJwR/RZ8 MBuXooA/dsdKBOP8RnJFMHgsN5IFh0hdTsEthlvVSi7/1NM8MEB5flqcBXDn2Ho8CtPz pHipoXq0qgMrtgC4uqlaeYnbtjMS96gbvKaNAP/skpciG5D9R/9kMBnp59tPFY0s58ya KJHQJVuJVR5NTsouI3yd4W2pKQtexV/vd+D/QzmNwyE3P86a6RqreSZSOCuUh/2VNfAG q7IA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=knP2B8AiCZcz17XjPExjP2x97YRL2tcOCRdFZWg0tks=; b=LKa1G5bcTquagGIvxPeNqhT5UmDtxJdg1AP25QxEYPhOSiK1Ne4AMX9qCK8NyOLZnr VC2WUPwQtwSgAm6V5ZsX9D8cgUn58OqxxBvaZHoGIOhDapUSWJxXhlV9FdHsHykAZKcg 0/X8nAD5o7IyL4ckg+bxQ6TrC/+zMv2bEsYuCAQ7DLfYPc9h//S98OQzFHPNObpkYu43 f3Oay9nhJ94v+HgfOtjTkXRtClYDRSn2MjFWPbJSbwkY1fZ6OeYXk2cjVPuEuOTr7jEa Ytb7FRNB3nSeLgxhwsGHQb2TWs1pRvUD17Sr4QNN/mtlMqbpnCYcdYI36hEgHeancQcL 1ebw== WnSAeQ9dXc3SkGgZ7ofzsARK9i47T5Fzaq2WYoJl1w== Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:49:21 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:49:10 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3027812073898189060== --000000000000fdd2bd05a0fd46a6 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? > Terrible cold/allergies. Pollen season began last week. I can do without the virus. 3 cases of COVID-19 reported in our area (within 10 mile radius). No details yet on who they are or where they have been, so everyone is on edge. Social Distancing is working OK so far. Schools are closed, including the University,, and almost 40 different restaurants have closed their dining rooms but offer call ahead/curbside pickup, so you can still get a meal. My burrito place has the dining room still open, but the salsa bar is gone, plus all of the lids, condiments, etc are behind the counter. Everything is served in a single-use bag now instead of on a tray. Makes sense to me. We are supposed to be practicing telework today, to see if the system can handle it, but my job doesn't lend itself to that many days, including this one. Mostly, it's just eerily quiet for a college town. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --000000000000fdd2bd05a0fd46a6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:34 PM Phili= p Ethier via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is around.=C2=A0 How are you = doing?

Terrible cold/allergies.=C2=A0= Pollen season began last week.=C2=A0 I can do without the virus.

3 cases of COVID-19 reported in our area (within 10 mile ra= dius).=C2=A0 No details yet on who they are or where they have been, so eve= ryone is on edge.=C2=A0 Social Distancing is working OK so far.=C2=A0 Schoo= ls are closed,=C2=A0including the University,, and almost 40 different rest= aurants have closed their dining rooms but offer call ahead/curbside pickup= , so you can still get a meal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My burrito place has the dining = room still open, but the salsa bar is gone, plus all of the lids, condiment= s, etc are behind the counter.=C2=A0 Everything is served in a single-use b= ag now instead of on a tray.=C2=A0 Makes sense to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0

We= are supposed to be practicing telework today, to see if the=C2=A0system ca= n handle it, but my job doesn't lend itself to that many days, includin= g this one.=C2=A0=C2=A0
Mostly, it's just eerily quiet for a college= town.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Jeff Scarbrough
Corro= sion Acres, Ga.
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Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infecti= on.=C2=A0 I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.=C2= =A0 Schools are all closed around here.=C2=A0 Our office has implemented op= tional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.=C2= =A0 No outbound travel permitted.=C2=A0 Hopefully the prevention has kicked= in and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.

On Mon, Mar 1= 6, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is ar= ound.=C2=A0 How are you doing?

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From: rwil--- via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Currently 39 cases in San Diego County (CA). That is about a 50 mile radius. "House arrest" sucks but I'm 82 and staying put. With test kits more available and drive-in sites being set up over the weekend, more accurate numbers should be appearing soon. -Roland Wilhelmy On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:34:26 -0500, Phil wrote: >Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 14:24:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B188A08AF for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qv1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7097BA081A for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qv1-f45.google.com with SMTP id h20so5712884qvr.12 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:24:36 -0700 (PDT) h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=dbZa8NGMPk+q+cDaac6eByBc3aKJywzAJnoJJ5RZfJQ=; b=EMbBNRHn2oDFCAbI9yhXvuzwomqb3c/DABo2u4IuPRdL9MaAcv6BOc7asmY/mvIaqG mtNZca+XojbBLdLNikLbpr8q9xnWkDIiJ6DNzeqbsSpbaDrowmHMh9rs5xtnisLMJJ46 FZpnMVur1uaxX1n5pfdgcCPpNHYqHFgqYt/Tj3yeA2EP0ktDuu5EDYO0G+sDxQ4qjclb Z+zbkTCF1bOvxNByJAs5uOptHwWmMdxcMvYZQxvMJ0Dz9fvnMNk5xwK6ygQGbBwexYKe bsAhrWRUVdlLqWMlPK5QuMhDYjufZz5IeJczWwyZi5lRGqjmDV7YnXdstkg1exdpnB/y ulBA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=dbZa8NGMPk+q+cDaac6eByBc3aKJywzAJnoJJ5RZfJQ=; b=SS1lS/TrHQLT5ZTsnMIQVg47LG+bgA0rqn9nuZJ/i2F67mVzszm0YejB/Y9Ls/mCFf oMkOdtTMLXS9A+StXpQTS0zOGR6Qg6+I2YXh9zA2VRCg+y3XS0h/DucFUU8QkqKa0iw+ NQXYFyLGmUmEeaGwGoeN8jitLggXlK9geS5rK5AuCLwZGJpAAShuwCUNUA665grg2GSR CJ6Ipu+1UCyz6JDd9NqSyzPB66vCfWAlWTSbOlokNB6/hR3vOCl6J09W2Evw3wCEORHF bqalCxigsRTnAD3AEfhcD6llGhKWIGaljcQpYcF3caRoKX+VagiNMPeVkbp1rXYw1tom oeZg== JRTtLOZiyhVBsf8Kllcxi7EOuGQ4 Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-pro-2.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f21sm600203qtc.97.2020.03.16.13.24.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:24:31 -0400 References: To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6515412566536247577== boundary="Apple-Mail=_006321D8-9E33-425F-A27C-082594271BFA" --Apple-Mail=_006321D8-9E33-425F-A27C-082594271BFA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the = area, although we worry how much longer that will last. It is starting = to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has = decided this is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding = areas. What they bring with them is the concern, especially as our = hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not the = rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - = with us. Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have = joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe = and healthy. Long may that continue! Hope everyone else stays well, too. =20 > On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection. I think = we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. Schools are all = closed around here. Our office has implemented optional work form home = and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers. No outbound travel = permitted. Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't see a = bunch of new cases around here. >=20 > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk = > Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? >=20 > --=20 > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com = >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D > =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_006321D8-9E33-425F-A27C-082594271BFA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii All = is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area, = although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is starting = to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has = decided this is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding = areas.  What they bring with them is the concern, especially as our = hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not the = rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - = with us.  Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter = have joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all = safe and healthy.  Long may that continue!

Hope everyone else stays well, too. =  

On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via = Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Lots = of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I think = we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.  Schools are = all closed around here.  Our office has implemented optional work = form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No = outbound travel permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in = and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at = 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

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From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7682490934111212855== boundary="------------D3648E580869A2AF22D4A072" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D3648E580869A2AF22D4A072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down. They are even talking about an evening curfew. Not a whole lot one can do except be safe and use common sense. Here in King County we have 420 cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised health to begin with. Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed dead''. Mike On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote: > All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the > area, although we worry how much longer that will last. It is > starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer > homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and > surrounding areas. What they bring with them is the concern, > especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round > population, not the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, > virus shutdowns - with us. Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and > granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying with us for the > duration) are all safe and healthy. Long may that continue! > > Hope everyone else stays well, too. > >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk >> >> Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection. I >> think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. Schools >> are all closed around here. Our office has implemented optional work >> form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers. No >> outbound travel permitted. Hopefully the prevention has kicked in >> and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here. >> >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk >> >> Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? >> >> -- >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue >> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red >> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl >> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White >> 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White >> http://www.mnautox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> ================================= >> = Never offend people with style when you = >> = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = >> ================================= >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net > -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com --------------D3648E580869A2AF22D4A072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down. They are even talking about an evening curfew. Not a whole lot one can do except be safe and use common sense. Here in King County we have 420 cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised health to begin with. Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed dead''.

Mike

On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. It is starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding areas. What they bring with them is the concern, especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us. Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe and healthy. Long may that continue!

Hope everyone else stays well, too.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection. I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. Schools are all closed around here. Our office has implemented optional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers. No outbound travel permitted. Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is around. How are you doing?

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Still, I = guess the shoe fits. > On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down. They = are even talking about an evening curfew. Not a whole lot one can do = except be safe and use common sense. Here in King County we have 420 = cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with = compromised health to begin with. Not sure what it means to be = ''confirmed dead''. >=20 > Mike >=20 > On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote: >> All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in = the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. It is = starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer = homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and = surrounding areas. What they bring with them is the concern, especially = as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not = the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - = with us. Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have = joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe = and healthy. Long may that continue! >>=20 >> Hope everyone else stays well, too. =20 >>=20 >>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk = >>>=20 >>> Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection. I = think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. Schools are = all closed around here. Our office has implemented optional work form = home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers. No outbound = travel permitted. Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't = see a bunch of new cases around here. >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk = >>> Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >>> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue >>> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red >>> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl >>> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White >>> 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White >>> http://www.mnautox.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com = >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D >>> =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net = >>=20 >=20 > = Virus-free. = www.avg.com = = ________________________= _______________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_CCFDA483-CC3C-4BAD-988E-669DFC750C7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = should also add that, at 67, I really hate hearing =E2=80=9Cover 60=E2=80=9D= and =E2=80=9Celderly=E2=80=9D being used interchangeably.  Still, = I guess the shoe fits.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, = Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=20 =20

Here in = the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They are even talking about an = evening curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except be safe and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 cases, with = 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised health to begin with.  Not sure what it means to be = ''confirmed dead''.

Mike

On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. =  It is starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding areas.  What they bring with them = is the concern, especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us.  Still, my = family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe and healthy.  Long may that continue!

Hope everyone else stays well, too.  

On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I think = we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.  Schools are all closed around here.  Our office has implemented optional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound = travel permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in = and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.

On Mon, Mar 16, = 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is around.  = How are you doing?

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1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport = Red
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From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5673294601759642002== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0081EFE98525852D_= Brian writes... > Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever faced with an actual crisis. You said it! I work for the NJ State Police in the Intelligence Center. The Governor and his staff is now there daily. The real problem is the media using this as a ratings grab across the world. Look at the numbers, the number of people that died of the flu, in the US only, this year exceeds total worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of magnitude. Every year, we see this activity. But, because this one has a different signature, lets all lose our minds. Business are going to go under, and people are not going to be able to pay their bills and can lose their homes as a result of the panic they are instilling. This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had. But this one has the media waging the dog. /soapbox "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0081EFE98525852D_= Brian writes...

> Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever faced with an actual crisis.

You said it!  I work for the NJ State Police in the Intelligence Center.  The Governor and his staff is now there daily.  

The real problem is the media using this as a ratings grab across the world.  Look at the numbers, the number of people that died of the flu, in the US only, this year exceeds total worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of magnitude.  Every year, we see this activity.  But, because this one has a different signature, lets all lose our minds.

Business are going to go under, and people are not going to be able to pay their bills and can lose their homes as a result of the panic they are instilling.

This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has the media waging the dog.

/soapbox



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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MY area) all the schools, daycares = kindergartens shut down toll 4/7/20 ... everyone that can working = from home =20 Jeffco announced today that gatherings of more than 25 people prohibited = and all bars/restaurants are limited to carry out or deliveries and = deliveries are frowned on. they will re-evaluate restaurant situation in one week... several drive = in test sites, one sponsored by my church (Church of the Highlands) We = have 22 locations in the state and in 20 of the correctional = facilities... everything went online yesterday... no large group meets. = Grocery stores are getting picked over in meat dept ( there was one pack = of organic hot dogs in a space that used to hold a hundred... one pack = of baloney and the lunch meat was just about gone...kids lunches cleaned = that out probably. paper products were thin, still got water and canned = products, produce.... people are buying crazy stuff. I went today to = pick up prescriptions and few groceries. I bathed in sanitizer before = going in and after leaving... sprayed everything with Lysol when I got = it home and took another sanitizer bath after that and changed clothes = as our local health dept recommends. The store was a zoo with all the = old folks (like me 72) and kids running wild. They are actively wiping = down carts before they give you one and constantly wiping down key pads, = counters, computers, etc... three people in my store doing that.. so = Publix market seems to be proactive on this. We=E2=80=99re just hanging out at home and I=E2=80=99m working on my = =E2=80=9853 truck, wife is baking Easter cookies, but we=E2=80=99re = wondering if our usual Easter gathering at our house will occur... I = have some less than scholarly inlaw/outlaws. I=E2=80=99m considered = =E2=80=98high risk=E2=80=99 with diabetes. I=E2=80=99ve got a big time truck gathering in Pigeon Forge in middle of = May... hoping it isn=E2=80=99t cancelled, but it don=E2=80=99t look = promising. Plenty of projects to keep me busy if the dang rain will let up. We get = 4 days of rain and 1 sunny day and repeat. Bham usually gets 11 or = inches of rain this time of year... we=E2=80=99ve had over 24 so far... = my yard is squishy. john https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0247_01D5FBC2.7F0B4590 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
here in=20 Alabama a total of 22 cases state wide.... 17 in Jefferson county = (b=E2=80=99ham area...=20 MY area) all the schools, daycares kindergartens shut down toll=20 4/7/20    ... everyone that can working from = home  =20
Jeffco=20 announced today that gatherings of more than 25 people prohibited and = all=20 bars/restaurants are limited to carry out or deliveries  and = deliveries are=20 frowned on.
they will=20 re-evaluate restaurant situation in one week... several drive in test = sites, one=20 sponsored by my church (Church of the Highlands)  We have 22 = locations in=20 the state and in 20 of the correctional facilities... everything went = online=20 yesterday... no large group meets. 
 
Grocery=20 stores are getting picked over in meat dept ( there was one pack of = organic hot=20 dogs in a space that used to hold a hundred... one pack of baloney and = the lunch=20 meat was just about gone...kids lunches cleaned that out probably.  = paper=20 products were thin, still got water and canned products, produce.... = people are=20 buying crazy stuff.  I went today to pick up prescriptions and few=20 groceries. I bathed in sanitizer before going in and after leaving... = sprayed=20 everything with Lysol when I got it home and took another sanitizer bath = after=20 that and changed clothes as our local health dept = recommends.   The=20 store was a zoo with all the old folks (like me 72) and kids running = wild. =20 They are actively wiping down carts before they give you one and = constantly=20 wiping down key pads, counters, computers, etc... three people in my = store doing=20 that.. so Publix market seems to be proactive on this.
 
We=E2=80=99re just=20 hanging out at home and I=E2=80=99m working on my =E2=80=9853 truck, = wife is baking Easter=20 cookies, but we=E2=80=99re wondering if our usual Easter gathering at = our house will=20 occur... I have some less than scholarly inlaw/outlaws.  = I=E2=80=99m considered=20 =E2=80=98high risk=E2=80=99 with diabetes.
 
I=E2=80=99ve got a=20 big time truck gathering in Pigeon Forge in middle of May... hoping it = isn=E2=80=99t=20 cancelled, but it don=E2=80=99t look promising.
 
Plenty of=20 projects to keep me busy if the dang rain will let up.  We get 4 = days of=20 rain and 1 sunny day and repeat.  Bham usually gets 11 or inches of = rain=20 this time of year... we=E2=80=99ve had over 24 so far... my yard is = squishy.
   
john

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> Covid-= 19 is around.  How are you doing? 

Our family is well. Being retired makes staying home ea= sy. Being half Finnish makes maintaining social distance feel natural. = ;

As a retired ER nurse I am = worried about the stress those folks are/will be under. Many places are rep= orting insufficient stocks of basic PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). Ma= nagement is trying to get them to re-use equipment &/or telling them it= is not needed. They worry about bringing something home. If you need medic= al care be patient with the staff. 

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC 
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someo= ne wrote:
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This is no different then swin= e flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had. =C2=A0But this one has the media waging the dog.

I am not an epidemiologist.=C2=A0 But I do= help to keep a high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of= this has rubbed off...

This is, of course, very m= uch like SARS - they are cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is a= lso called SARS-CoV-2).=C2=A0 It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that it= seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.

What makes= it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.=C2=A0 That means we haven&= #39;t seen it before.=C2=A0 =C2=A0H1N1 flu is very similar to H5N9 and a ho= st of other variants - but we understand the virus in general, and have a g= ood chance to make a vaccine to prevent it or reduce its effect, depending = on how well we guess that year's mutation.=C2=A0 But this virus is taki= ng some time to understand it...meanwhile, we aren't 100% sure how it i= s transmitted (though there are some educated guesses), and we aren't v= ery close to any sort of vaccine.=C2=A0 Latest estimates from CDC and WHO i= ndicate it is fatal in about 3% off cases - though that's in /known/ ca= ses, which is a number we don't have any handle on at all.=C2=A0 The ac= tual rate could be less, but it definitely goes up with age and impaired ph= ysical condition.

We are behind the 8 ball here for a number of reas= ons - and yes, some of them are political - so we have to do the best with = what we know.=C2=A0 And what we know is that if you are in a room with infe= cted people, your chance of exposure goes up.=C2=A0 If you don't wash y= our hands, your risk of exposure goes up.=C2=A0 And, you can be infested - = and shedding virus - and not know it.

So, if you dig down through al= l the noise, you find the media actually saying:

W= ash your hands frequently.=C2=A0 If you can't wash them, use hand sanit= izer.

Avoid being in small spaces with lots of oth= er people.

If you start showing symptoms, look to = your local public health agency for guidance.=C2=A0 Look at the CDC web sit= e.

My county is debating a curfew (which won't help much, except= to limit exposure to drunks in college bars) and debating a limit on the n= umber of people that can gather in a public or semi-public place (which mig= ht actually help, but it's something you can do already).

So, yo= u have a shop, right?=C2=A0 And a pile of projects, right?=C2=A0 So, avoid = Cars & Coffee this month, and finish that overhaul you started six year= s ago.=C2=A0 That's my two cents.

Jeff Scarbro= ugh
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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From: John Innis via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0590472926404524828== --000000000000d1de8e05a101b778 I get where you are coming form, the media blasts everything out of proportion, no doubt about that. But I don't know jack about epidemiology, so I have to take advice from someone who does. That ain't the cheeto in chief. I am getting my advice from WHO and CDC. Those boffins say take this seriously, so I am. For me that means monitoring the number of cases reported near me and avoiding any unnecessary risk. I got vaccinated against the flu, so did a bunch of other people in the US. We know that even a nasty strain of flu won't run rampant through the nation. Only like one person in the world has been vaccinated against this stuff, and with no idea if it is going to work or not. The flu generally gets rolling in October or November and dies down by May, so you have a limited exposure window. It is not yet know if this virus will follow the same pattern. But early looks form the southern hemisphere, where it is now summer, seem to indicate this isn't going to slow down on it's own. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 6:43 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Brian writes... > > > Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet > paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever > faced with an actual crisis. > > You said it! I work for the NJ State Police in the Intelligence Center. > The Governor and his staff is now there daily. > > The real problem is the media using this as a ratings grab across the > world. Look at the numbers, the number of people that died of the flu, in > the US only, this year exceeds total worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of > magnitude. Every year, we see this activity. But, because this one has a > different signature, lets all lose our minds. > > Business are going to go under, and people are not going to be able to pay > their bills and can lose their homes as a result of the panic they are > instilling. > > This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other > types of outbreaks we have recently had. But this one has the media waging > the dog. > > /soapbox > > > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000d1de8e05a101b778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I get where you are coming form, the media blasts everythi= ng out of proportion, no doubt about that.=C2=A0 But I don't know jack = about epidemiology, so I have to take advice from someone who does.=C2=A0 T= hat ain't the cheeto in chief.=C2=A0 I am getting my advice from WHO an= d CDC.=C2=A0 Those boffins say take this seriously, so I am.=C2=A0 For me t= hat means monitoring the number of cases reported near me and avoiding any = unnecessary risk.=C2=A0 I got vaccinated against the flu, so did a bunch of= other people in the US.=C2=A0 We know that even a nasty strain of flu won&= #39;t run rampant through the nation.=C2=A0 Only like one person in the wor= ld has been vaccinated against this stuff, and with no idea if it is going = to work or not.=C2=A0 The flu generally gets rolling in October or November= and dies down by May, so you have a limited exposure window.=C2=A0 It is n= ot yet know if this virus will follow the same pattern.=C2=A0 But early loo= ks form the southern hemisphere, where it is now summer, seem to indicate t= his isn't going to slow down on it's own.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020= at 6:43 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Brian= writes...

> Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever faced with an actual crisis.

You said it!=C2=A0 I work for the NJ = State Police in the Intelligence Center.=C2=A0 The Governor and his staff is now there daily. =C2=A0

The real problem is the media using t= his as a ratings grab across the world.=C2=A0 Look at the numbers, the number of people that died of the flu, in the US only, this year exceeds total worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of magnitude.=C2=A0 Every year, we see this activity.=C2=A0 But, because this one has a different signature, lets all lose our minds.

Business are going to go under, and p= eople are not going to be able to pay their bills and can lose their homes as a result of the panic they are instilling.

This is no different then swine flu, = bird flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had. =C2=A0But this one has the media waging the dog.

/soapbox



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--000000000000d1de8e05a101b778-- --===============0590472926404524828== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0590472926404524828==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 18:45:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3562A09EA for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (unknown [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817FAA06DF for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.21.127.89] [64.145.93.29] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.5.6.101) id 4c1c001e02147010; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:45:45 -0600 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:45:48 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8994568643047447410== boundary="------------3E309D00EA183D24734891CA" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E309D00EA183D24734891CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote: > > This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the > other types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has > the media waging the dog. > > > I am not an epidemiologist.  But I do help to keep a high-containment > infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off... > > This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the > virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).  It is like > swine flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol. > > What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.  That means > we haven't seen it before. I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.  It's now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what it is now.  There /are/ pandemics, and some of them have rather high death rates.  The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.  The CDC is estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at.  In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia. The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is exceptional are appropriate.  Does the media magnify the threat? Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the business.  But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it, instead of the nitwits. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... --------------3E309D00EA183D24734891CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote:
 
This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has the media waging the dog.

I am not an epidemiologist.  But I do help to keep a high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off...

This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).  It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.

What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.  That means we haven't seen it before.

I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.  It's now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what it is now.  There are pandemics, and some of them have rather high death rates.  The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.  The CDC is estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at.  In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia.  The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is exceptional are appropriate.  Does the media magnify the threat?  Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the business.  But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it, instead of the nitwits.


Cheers.



-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
--------------3E309D00EA183D24734891CA-- --===============8994568643047447410== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8994568643047447410==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 19:13:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83047A0BDC for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EDCA0B04 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id DyxbjUx3sWJ0PE0nYjqG6M; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 01:13:36 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1584407616; bh=T5iJ6YwJh2VUCikahZ3I1GEBGTIH1uwcFydDBFna4zs=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=liQguBK+Il1U2F/lddMZGWUUW5xWZWSDJ5nWqrobAOmz8awGoYRCz0dpbZP8DX/R3 JaWUe4obCld5uZXeoIaTrxdpWpJcW4CDoWVy9TIT9RHnuYDYzxiWtitXRpLUdWtXFc oJCqlk+KYlyJCvRTw1fRjcuNPtfoKQL2TfxgAzXGWJI5oD4+7CdCgukWoSsbVrRrOT 2Iw6VOSl2zLWlJuUAIzaUTPiu2tMgCXqoCld9bZHkDUF6W2TG7nB5KPox82NtzgLYQ I8cv68ra8Kqh0fSNpI2ScYvnvkVm2JZPTqR6iW9evQSfqzPO9/9qqkBnfjmjpLLVdf bIht4HRoJeYGA== Received: from [IPv6:2601:600:4300:8140:1c2f:78f4:2d67:ed12] ([IPv6:2601:600:4300:8140:1c2f:78f4:2d67:ed12]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id E0nXjGM0mmfrzE0nXjNjo4; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 01:13:36 +0000 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:13:34 -0700 Importance: normal References: <4FA554B9-F588-4C45-A6DE-BDEF98C06FF2@gmail.com> <0790a86d-0de4-393e-9e2e-61b9e2d35773@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Bob Kegel via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3374829797920034006== boundary="_7A258D92-D4C4-41E3-8037-E3D7581D10C1_" --_7A258D92-D4C4-41E3-8037-E3D7581D10C1_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Ground Zero, on the coast. Only one confi= rmed case out here so far, but I expect that to change. Too many folks with= no doctor and poor hand-washing skills.=20 My office is already socially-isolated. If I do have to meet the public, I = have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits. Bob K From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 14:23 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down --_7A258D92-D4C4-41E3-8037-E3D7581D10C1_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Gr= ound Zero, on the coast. Only one confirmed case out here so far, but I exp= ect that to change. Too many folks with no doctor and poor hand-washing ski= lls.

My office is already socially-isolated. If I = do have to meet the public, I have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Bob K

 

From: = Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk=
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 14:23
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject= : Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

 

Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down=

 

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Howdy,

Given the apparent near total la= ck of testing, I'm not putting much faith in 'reported case' #&= #39;s.=C2=A0 And, like others have said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the= politicians are all saying "this is serious, stop fucking around"= ; then I'm going to take it seriously and stop fucking around.

W= e've been avoiding contact with the outside world since Thursday.=C2=A0= Prior to that we were doing the washing of hands / sanitizer things for a = few days.=C2=A0 Right now I think we have enough food to not have to leave = the house for another week anyway, perhaps longer, and I have no plans to d= o that.=C2=A0 Complicating that a little bit is that Ohio has an election t= omorrow... maybe. The Governor tried to delay it today at 4pm, was shot dow= n in court at 7pm after many news outlets reported it as a done deal, and a= pparently is going to appeal.=C2=A0 I do know that I won't be going to = the polls and will be doing everything I can to prevent my wife from going.= =C2=A0 There's nothing on the ballot as pressing as keeping us alive an= d a 1% or 5% or 1/2% chance of death is more risk than I want to take even = if I totally discount all of the other aspects of trying to slow the spread= of the virus.

Mark

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:13 PM Bob Kegel v= ia Shop-talk <shop-talk@auto= x.team.net> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Ground = Zero, on the coast. Only one confirmed case out here so far, but I expect t= hat to change. Too many folks with no doctor and poor hand-washing skills. =

My office is already socially-isolated. If I do = have to meet the public, I have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits.

=C2=A0

Bob K<= /u>

=C2=A0

From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk
Sent: Monday,= March 16, 2020 14:23
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

= =C2=A0

Here = in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down

=C2=A0

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You could pour fine sand in the gap = between post and concrete. Whack the post to settle it and follow with wate= r to compact it. I=E2=80=99ve set posts using beach sand and they were rock= -solid for at least 5 years.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob K

 

From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk
Sent: Sunday, March 15, = 2020 21:12
To: Shop T= alk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fence posts

 

 

Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape th= at I need to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new woo= d the posts appear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for th= e fact they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the post= s are loose on the concrete.

What would be the easi= est way to firm up the posts in those holes?

I=E2= =80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.

Bob Nogueira

 

= = --_C82E554B-15EE-4427-9367-C66F22CC5F0C_-- --===============8679816544173834213== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8679816544173834213==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 16 22:13:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33788A0C6B for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f181.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CBBA0132 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f181.google.com with SMTP id w13so6795130oih.4 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:41:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wO080BcpeOaHxMTKUhTtxmHjPgggpSV+9tDpl357c+M=; b=jmreaJvI9cOfzBByi08vT3wm5gAPv5XI+bTN9GWNNSshq6j09OB79rW6MOtTWS/6dH ecGzv+YWCx5U1P86yOrNPiKHUtAR6+zyEF55bfdnm7tYXZzCvTmv0tUILwqvI+Hu3L1+ EwAQY4DmsSM/uHZ0z0+3yY103lo3BC8RXW4n69/2r7Sq2Dj2OeJV2CJ90XF+9APXztm1 hbRsQEMzrMvepFv1szSVcV0Xk4bWFmSJRfoTscIkk7gIrmwLHw3TCk/bDCwZqzalHQWi p7G9fS/lUNZicRIywy9aEwSVxCyEwWEA5+9Ydq1B61HjF5KVm17P2rpQ4XTgD9R7+Rv1 Vhsg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wO080BcpeOaHxMTKUhTtxmHjPgggpSV+9tDpl357c+M=; b=aSMDj6p6THy4vRfxgJXgozI8IsboKkzYlf8vnVum5AKTXzWcXkelSA3J5tm5RwFgBB 4+EC4gjjVCTy9b+f+uGZnqjZo7uK3kwG9z8IWSs00iUwXjAGT7ZhiNdKvb6SE8AkS4qx uCVeoF+c91kZ2yVv5JRNiDlnxBbgcIyJ0MVfUkdvBeTE9HNsNIyopdYuSiEDM7o2DtiB vLcFy5M3EQwy2In2E3VShPLXYlT8HgeGKuebjwPQVc8gSTMn5JiZE4x2EixyOVIBhIbJ kxa36w8lnmPMB8Txzqj1qR3tOFrzYnamLQdvL+VK/9w0zvRIjwUb7DHdP9dkA2ACFpdB suBQ== HODNhErAzveXQAihK2bCXdLM3UQog0qt7ahPkbw= Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:41:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:41:24 -0500 To: Doug Braun Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT flash drives From: John Innis via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7931131174267145504== --00000000000068d1b305a0ad8abc I have had mixed results with these. Actually pretty much the same results I see with flash-based drives. The cheap ones seem to fail often, where the good ones seem to last forever. Forever meaning at least a few years. I have had a number of mechanical drives fail while sitting on the shelf for years at a time. Flash seems less susceptible to the bit rot issue. Generally speaking, you want your backups running on drives that are hooked up and updating. Preferably in a RAID arrangement that provides some level of redundancy. If you don't want to go the RAID route, rotate drives so your backups are redundant. A note on cloud based services. They are generally very good at what they do, but there are different risk when using the cloud. For example this week an un-patched bug was announced in windows 10 that could have security implications for some cloud based services. There is a risk that hackers could get in and steal your data or ransom it. Cloud is great for off site backup in the event of fire or other local disaster, and for getting data to other locations, but I would not trust is as my only source of backups. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:00 PM Doug Braun via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much more > reliable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you don't > handle it roughly. > > Doug > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT >> guys in this group..... >> >> I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked >> up in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as >> files are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them. >> >> One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a >> different brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison >> office. A second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up >> in our MKE office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the >> one that has amended archived files) is also failing. I am having a hard >> time retrieving the amended files before this drive takes a final crap on >> me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB file from the dying drive. I >> can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this >> should matter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and >> miscellaneous audio or video files and possibly other items. >> >> What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to >> this nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here? >> >> Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to >> deal with this PITA process. >> >> Thanks >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --00000000000068d1b305a0ad8abc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have had mixed results with these.=C2=A0 Actually p= retty much the same results I see with flash-based drives.=C2=A0 The cheap = ones seem to fail often, where the good ones seem to last forever.=C2=A0 Fo= rever meaning at least a few years.=C2=A0 I have had a number of mechanical= drives fail while sitting on the shelf for years at a time.=C2=A0 Flash se= ems less susceptible to the bit rot issue.=C2=A0 Generally speaking, you wa= nt your backups running on drives that are hooked up and updating.=C2=A0 Pr= eferably in a RAID arrangement that provides some level of redundancy.=C2= =A0 If you don't want to go the RAID route, rotate drives so your backu= ps are redundant.=C2=A0
A note on cloud based services.=C2= =A0 They are generally very good at what they do, but there are different r= isk when using the cloud.=C2=A0 For example this week an un-patched bug was= announced in windows 10 that could have security implications for some clo= ud based services.=C2=A0 There is a risk that hackers could get in and stea= l your data or ransom it.=C2=A0 Cloud is great for off site backup in the e= vent of fire or other local disaster, and for getting data to other locatio= ns, but I would not trust is as my only source of backups.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:00 PM Doug Braun via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
A USB portable hard drive (the real, spinning kind) should be much more re= liable than a run-of-the-mill USB flash drive, as long as you don't han= dle it roughly.

Doug

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:26 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <<= a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@auto= x.team.net> wrote:
Sending this inquiry to you all since I know there are more than a few IT g= uys in this group.....

I bought three 512GB flash drives for archiving here at work. One locked up= in each of our offices and one for me to add to files as necessary as file= s are amended. They have approximately 450GB on them.

One of the three failed as soon as I finished filling it. I bought a differ= ent brand and made a replacement copy for the safe in our Madison office. A= second, the same brand as the first one that failed is locked up in our MK= E office and will also be replaced now because the third one (the one that has amended archived files) is als= o failing. I am having a hard time retrieving the amended files before this= drive takes a final crap on me. It took over 15 hours to pull one 87MB fil= e from the dying drive. I can't even attempt to pull more than one file at a time. Not that this should ma= tter, but the files are mixed word, pdf, saved outlook emails and miscellan= eous audio or video files and possibly other items.=C2=A0

What I am wondering/hoping is that someone might know of a solution to this= nearly impossible retrieval process. Or am I just screwed here?=C2=A0

Next year we will be storing everything in the cloud so I won't have to= deal with this PITA process.=C2=A0

Thanks
tim
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The University of Chicago is scrupulously following the c= losure recommendations.
Been in serious back pain fo= r 7 weeks.  Surgery was scheduled for 7 tomorrow morning.  Should= a walked out that afternoon.
But nooooo - they calle= d this morning and now I wait till April 16.
PS - I'= m one of those people for whom nothing alleviates pain.  Nothing. = ; Booze sort of, but I can't get anything done staying oiled up all day.
Damn

On March 16, 2020 1:50:30 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net> wrote:

Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infecti= on.  I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.&nbs= p; Schools are all closed around here.  Our office has implemented opt= ional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers. = ; No outbound travel permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked i= n and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.

On Mon, Mar 16, 202= 0 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Covid-19 is around.&= nbsp; How are you doing?

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From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0323609370555170100== --0000000000008eef4805a1073183 The metro St. Louis area could go either way, I think. I ran out of paper towels this weekend. Costco and Wal Mart tonight look worse than Florida during hurricane prep. The toilet paper thing is real here--I would be willing to bet there's none in stores anywhere in the metro area. No paper towels either. The meat cases at Costco were empty, completely. Wal Mart had some fresh produce--plum tomatoes and cabbage, but no bananas or onions. Costco was the most unsettling--they had a list at the door of what was sold out and the massive pallets of produce were just gone. The area was mostly just empty. People were rolling out with cases of bottled water. As if the water supply was in jeopardy. No flour. No butter, milk almost gone. I'm not sure how bad people think it will be when they buy all the fifty-pound bags of flour. Schools are closed starting tomorrow; I told my guys last week they could work from home. The rumors were going hard at work--they're going to be a quarantine, banks are closing, gas stations are closing. Illinois is closed all 'non-essential' business which, while probably the right way to stop a biological agent, drive the spread of the stupid fear-mongering. I was thinking about this a lot like Eric--just wash your damn hands (often and well), maintain social distancing, and if you're under 60 the worst you're going to get here is what amounts to a bad cold. Stay out of the ER unless the paramedics take you there themselves and this will all blow over in a few weeks. Even at the stated mortality rate you won't know anyone that dies from this and if we don't tilt the hospitals they can probably save most of the truly bad cases. If we all do our part this will be mostly a non-event for most people. After today I'm less worried about the virus itself and more about the stupid running around. I lived through Florida hurricanes that seemed like nothing compared to the people obviously barely containing their panic. Toilet paper panic buying? Or attempted price gouging? Seriously? And apparently my pop-epidemiology isn't great either--this is a bigger deal than I thought and I should have sent everyone home at least a week before I did. Maybe that 2% fatality rate is soft and it's not sticking to the (sorry, fellas) elderly. I figure I've got enough food probably two months, minimum. If I had to not leave the house at all, that'd be achievable. But after watching and hearing my fellow citizens I'm starting to think I should have laid into a stockpile of ammunition. I dunno, I'm a little unsettled. I've evacuated from hurricanes. I lived through *not* evacuating from hurricanes and had no power or running water for six weeks. In August. I never thought society was even close to to approaching mass panic, it was just sweaty. Watching these people around here...I'm not so sure about this. It's almost like they want to melt down and have been waiting for an excuse. Even on Fox no one was claiming banks and gas stations would shut down but people made that up in their heads. Normal news stations just kept repeating schools would close and people just got more wound up. I'll probably feel better in the morning. Something about watching people load up cases of bottled water in front of a store of empty shelves. It was like they needed to buy *something*. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Covid-19 is around. How are you doing? > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --0000000000008eef4805a1073183 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The metro St. Louis area could go either way, I think. I r= an out of paper towels this weekend. Costco and Wal Mart tonight look worse= than Florida during hurricane prep. The toilet paper thing is real here--I= would be willing to bet there's none in stores anywhere in the metro a= rea. No paper towels either. The meat cases at Costco were empty, completel= y. Wal Mart had some fresh produce--plum tomatoes and cabbage, but no banan= as or onions. Costco was the most unsettling--they had a list at the door o= f what was sold out and the massive pallets of produce were just gone. The = area was mostly just empty. People were rolling out with cases of bottled w= ater. As if the water supply was in jeopardy. No flour. No butter, milk alm= ost gone. I'm not sure how bad people think it will be when they buy al= l the fifty-pound bags of flour.

Schools are closed star= ting tomorrow; I told my guys last week they could work from home. The rumo= rs were going hard at work--they're going to be a quarantine, banks are= closing, gas stations are closing. Illinois is closed all 'non-essenti= al' business which, while probably the right way to stop a biological a= gent, drive the spread of the stupid fear-mongering.=C2=A0

I was thinking about this a lot like Eric--just wash your damn han= ds (often and well), maintain social distancing, and if you're under 60= the worst you're going to get here is what amounts to a bad cold. Stay= out of the ER unless the paramedics take you there themselves and this wil= l all blow over in a few weeks. Even at the stated mortality rate you won&#= 39;t know anyone that dies from this and if we don't tilt the hospitals= they can probably save most of the truly bad cases. If we all do our part = this will be mostly a non-event for most people.

A= fter today I'm less worried about the virus itself and more about the s= tupid running around. I lived through Florida hurricanes that seemed like n= othing compared to the people obviously barely containing their panic. Toil= et paper panic buying? Or attempted price gouging? Seriously?
And apparently my pop-epidemiology isn't great either--this= is a bigger deal than I thought and I should have sent everyone home at le= ast a week before I did. Maybe that 2% fatality rate is soft and it's n= ot sticking to the (sorry, fellas) elderly.

I figu= re I've got enough food probably two months, minimum. If I had to not l= eave the house at all, that'd be achievable. But after watching and hea= ring my fellow citizens I'm starting to think I should have laid into a= stockpile of ammunition.

I dunno, I'm a littl= e unsettled. I've evacuated from hurricanes. I lived through *not* evac= uating from hurricanes and had no power or running water for six weeks. In = August. I never thought society was even close to to approaching mass panic= , it was just sweaty. Watching these people around here...I'm not so su= re about this. It's almost like they want to melt down and have been wa= iting for an excuse. Even on Fox no one was claiming banks and gas stations= would shut down but people made that up in their heads. Normal news statio= ns just kept repeating schools would close and people just got more wound u= p.

I'll probably feel better in the morning. S= omething about watching people load up cases of bottled water in front of a= store of empty shelves. It was like they needed to buy *something*.=C2=A0<= /div>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrot= e:
Covid-19 is around.=C2=A0 How are you doing?

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HI Mark,

Here in LA they are closing ta= verns as a precaution, so even that is no longer an option...
best,

doug

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020= at 9:55 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
As for me, I'll just shake my he= ad in wonderment at the amazing rash of
stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping
Team.Net on the air, as I've been doing for all these years.=C2=A0 And = I'll
hope that when I get overwhelmed by the hysteria I can still retreat to a nearby tavern for a relaxing pint.

Cheers!

mjb.


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--00000000000032364005a10bc237-- --===============7386452365870974559== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7386452365870974559==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 06:47:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51860A0C6E for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 06:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8E4A09E9 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 06:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02402C0008 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:46:57 -0400 References: To: Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6931908290434380990== boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B47D7C1-EFAF-4281-9AFF-8077022F825C"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_3B47D7C1-EFAF-4281-9AFF-8077022F825C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii You mean the stupidity of people continuing to go out and socialize = despite that having not worked out so well for Italy? I know. Saturday = night we tried to go out for dinner, figuring it'd be deserted. Couldn't = get a reservation until 9pm. Then we realized how much people weren't = getting it (including us) and were not surprised when later that night = the gov't stepped in. The realization of just how bad this could get, = and that it was getting worse faster than our brains could grasp it, set = in. KInda like a small fire in the shop, where while you're reaching for = the fire extinguisher you turn around and realize you need to reach for = the telephone and the exit at the same time.=20 Here in Boston it's major lockdown since Sunday, like in most denseley = populated areas. We can still go shop, etc. but all public gatherings of = any kind are banned.=20 At 55 I'm not so concerned about me, but I do wonder if the tightness in = my lungs last week was nothing, or something, and did I spread something = before I knew that was possible? It's a good week to clean the garage. Do I really need 20+ hammers? A = pneumatic wrench my dad had in the 70s that won't undo lug nuts anymore? = We watched Ford vs Ferrari Saturday night and after 25 years of playing = with motorcycles exclusively, felt the hankering for a car project = again. Thanks for keeping the lights on Mark. We're going to need it for a = while.=20 jim > On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:55 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > As for me, I'll just shake my head in wonderment at the amazing rash = of stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping = Team.Net on the air, as I've been doing for all these years. 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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9161042194658244049== --00000000000098c82d05a10cdac3 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:26 PM Mark Andy via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > And, like others have said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the politicians > are all saying "this is serious, stop fucking around" then I'm going to > take it seriously and stop fucking around. > It needs to be said: Some politicians keep telling us it's all going to be fine, and we don't need to worry about any of this. And people listen to him instead of the CDC and the WHO. That is what keeps me awake at night. --00000000000098c82d05a10cdac3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:26 PM Mark = Andy via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net> wrote:

And, like others have = said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the politicians are all saying "t= his is serious, stop fucking around" then I'm going to take it ser= iously and stop fucking around.

It needs to be said:=C2=A0 Some politicians keep telling us it's all g= oing to be fine, and we don't need to worry about any of this.=C2=A0 An= d people listen to him instead of the CDC and the WHO.=C2=A0

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That is what keeps me awake at night.=C2=A0
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9066140387012454522== --0000000000001170a605a10d0839 On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > One problem that we will run into is that if the > measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and > many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't > want to take appropriate measures next time. Like Y2k. I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and fixing it before it was a problem. --0000000000001170a605a10d0839 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donal= d H Locker via Shop-talk <sh= op-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
One problem that we will run into is= that if the
measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and <= br> many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and w= on't
want to take appropriate measures next time.

Like Y2k.=C2=A0 I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of c= atastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people b= uckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.=C2=A0
--0000000000001170a605a10d0839-- --===============9066140387012454522== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9066140387012454522==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 07:48:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562E0A0DE2 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957FDA0DA2 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5ECE60016; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:48:42 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <4FA554B9-F588-4C45-A6DE-BDEF98C06FF2@gmail.com> <0790a86d-0de4-393e-9e2e-61b9e2d35773@comcast.net> <20200317011341.5B940A0BC7@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8829556046030679134== boundary="Apple-Mail=_8555C270-96E9-41CB-B2CD-56982432B06D"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_8555C270-96E9-41CB-B2CD-56982432B06D boundary="Apple-Mail=_C5133DB9-71DB-4BB3-81E5-6028B4E4FD57" --Apple-Mail=_C5133DB9-71DB-4BB3-81E5-6028B4E4FD57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii > On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk = > =20 > One problem that we will run into is that if the=20 > measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and=20= > many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't=20= > want to take appropriate measures next time. >=20 > Like Y2k. I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of = catastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of = people buckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.=20 Both. There was a lot of fixing that went on, but we didn't know what we = didn't know until we started digging into it. Not too different from now = - some people are freaking out, some people are being overly cavalier, = because we just don't know and are learning new things every day.=20 It's different from a hurricane because we've had hurricanes, you can = see it, you can see the damage it does, and you can figure out how to = keep yourself safe, and how to survive. The virus, can't see it, don't = fully know how it gets passed on, how will it damage +me+ vs. my = neighbor, etc.=20 jim --Apple-Mail=_C5133DB9-71DB-4BB3-81E5-6028B4E4FD57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii

On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk = <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:



On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via = Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
 
One problem that we will run = into is that if the
measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and =
many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't =
want to take appropriate measures next time.

Like Y2k.  I'ts = never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe was due to = overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and = fixing it before it was a = problem. 

Both. There was a lot of fixing that went on, but = we didn't know what we didn't know until we started digging into it. Not = too different from now - some people are freaking out, some people are = being overly cavalier, because we just don't know and are learning new = things every day. 

It's = different from a hurricane because we've had hurricanes, you can see it, = you can see the damage it does, and you can figure out how to keep = yourself safe, and how to survive. The virus, can't see it, don't fully = know how it gets passed on, how will it damage +me+ vs. my neighbor, = etc. 

jim

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I have abused it for = 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people = like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying = in this house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice = stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun.=20= thanks, jim= --Apple-Mail=_20D8ABB9-4CD7-4C35-96DC-A7FF422D0933 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIDSDCCA0Qw ggIsoAMCAQICCmRy66DpH1wZiAswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwUDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4g RnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5jaC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMB4XDTE3MDQxNTE0NDgxMloXDTIyMDQxNTE0NDgxMlowUDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4g RnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5jaC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAmEusUttRQMymOSw8elNOep/BrnU9 MEmZNOH2Pz7+YgLwLBWCq7Yx2JCyeC4XvqMzdB2aPe4KyhWrcSsMirm0Kp/HfBfxf6xaYClOEhDE okCRDuGyNJaso8ZNzkxH84wGm3i0TemqNEaHhKIAJxcHU+RXSIgTBJW4VLQudHkqZ8xXSJPMKVU2 T13H0wosQ85EhieWt/RlvDYIMsO/0VMmr8NxLALM2PHSf/ejewuQXZ2YsLBg7fKiiM5DJ5rm5AWU bJLePVJFXCpKmOtVwtcqcgnMdmgW9MH9aIXshkdGyIlapyDmuOjVi5CmHP6/Gxk2FiIu+MsbWVdX BU0Y7B9EpQIDAQABoyAwHjAPBgkqhkiG9y8BAQoEAgUAMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIHgDANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQsFAAOCAQEAWvruNG4aYeyRq57pOCVVwJ7ybSMdI0t+xXxlx9srybW3LZpkw2YiY88S5g/XdTAW UNj4Lc2w2STE6vh5ZB2qAOHAkppdEXwA7g8xTI9ozvgFQtqPpodapj8Kd17TU5/qkATNLq9tQpUZ c06Klg2+Oh4Z2DijTo4uh/UXlr6VxrGtbW6lGkH4ZbvkLqiJUgGEPDpbzNIS/q6ZcdnaPwaWdwzH SVQK7eztRMmpmBhxXTc/dgZCXnSOjlsbn+TKFVBCyJLQXRP+YrhY1BtOvJ36Ul3LImX5g2vGMPDi HyWnGi7CoqZpdkOYIGJW89P0qOOVXptIUckSDP0sVz9u98tgsTGCAeQwggHgAgEBMF4wUDEaMBgG A1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4gRnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5j aC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTAgpkcuug6R9cGYgLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgXTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMDAzMTcxMzUyNTlaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBTCW4QUVmg//7U5qxAr5f5rcjKWmzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQA+UrJpqid562ihmgSxmLsH OFbxo2j51dcNcejI3qSL8k8ZV7FsPbhCH+Atb2g4rxTrW8Y8VHT/XbSEqxMJtqGL+X20FUNe0lwd EXFKueQ/u/zC+enJIeZelpA0BTVpVwoI8dH0p+l3tvLR9oBlz5eR01VuPT8ABLKsD/rJrPnCkwCf eyoLOj2Ur5ItQGN5wUsrfdL3PLOJo/YcSbnZfVcgqDKEF32DMMgprNoe1APT9FcW0FQSkJD42uk5 mUrMk7YSZBFR/dmkFfS6LeoYyc7BQToF9S1oGrnkk6aOW2uuvvkF8JBsOQhTzsIT+hHcsyg2UUFs bHXvQTz/45FqsDskAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail=_20D8ABB9-4CD7-4C35-96DC-A7FF422D0933-- --===============3649197871007142594== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3649197871007142594==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 07:59:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B8FA0DD8 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291601.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3240A0DD8 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:59:01 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1584453539; bh=mV3DLvYF8hqgdef/0PabDme9KfSoehdZxsK6UX1SKWo=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=eKPXxeBnkxU/ygVTvu0XBuUuI+jPsLCLLpl5U4tLPp4+F8sJ8udogx6hLwb1PdeiW 1SulSMLCoRCBclnSDnQLftR+aFSR70pJ8cKVLJVLkJQ1oGQfA3CXpgrN4n4l/mMm5F sD7UnBiI2u2tV6e9F5SqIISuleV9z5/ukzkrcYKHfPl2osTeSGo2RxBCNAdLXQvTpp SkI8TcE9D/U3RTd53GN0DDVXQtAP+NLEm7noai6jCZZCz2u8pXKhxhNU0MeoYtgeOt szqIUOsd7D3x4PLFjYePusRxvw3oJeWtXnZmL3EUIhCrHKqPeJ43O1K7M5g5LYwlwi Qh3mrokYf5liA== Received: from [192.168.88.55] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D9D7200881; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:58:57 -0500 References: <3A09C5BA-397E-4720-B0EF-F36C654BAE02@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin definitions=2020-03-17_05:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-2003170060 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Small compressors From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SSBoYXZlIGEgZ3JlYXQgc21hbGwgY29tcHJlc3NvciB0aGF0IEkgdXNlIG9uIGNvbnN0cnVjdGlv biBzaXRlcyB0aGF0IGlzIGEgcG9ydGVyIGNhYmxlLiBJdCBkb2VzbuKAmXQgaGF2ZSB3aGVlbHMs IHNvIEkgd29u4oCZdCBib3RoZXIgcG9zdGluZyB0aGUgbW9kZWwgbnVtYmVyLiAKCk9uZSB0aGlu ZyBJ4oCZZCByZWNvbW1lbmQgaXMgdGhhdCB5b3UgY2hlY2sgb3V0IGNwb291dGxldHMuY29tLiBJ 4oCZdmUgYmVlbiB1c2luZyB0aGVtIGZvciB5ZWFycyAmIG5ldmVyIGJlZW4gZGlzYXBwb2ludGVk LiAKClBlYWNlLApQYXQKClBhdCBIb3JuZSAKV2Ugc3VwcG9ydCBIYWJpdGF0IGZvciBIdW1hbml0 eQoKCj4gT24gTWFyIDE3LCAyMDIwLCBhdCA4OjUzIEFNLCBKaW0gRnJhbmtsaW4gdmlhIFNob3At dGFsayA8c2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKPiAKCu+7v015IFBvcnRlciBD YWJsZSBwYW5jYWtlIGhhcyBhIHBpbmhvbGUgaW4gdGhlIHRhbmsuIEkgaGF2ZSBhYnVzZWQgaXQg Zm9yIDEwKyB5ZWFycyBhbmQgaXQgZG9lc24ndCBvd2UgbWUgYW55dGhpbmcgYXQgdGhpcyBwb2lu dC4gV2hhdCBkbyBwZW9wbGUgbGlrZSBmb3Igc21hbGwsIHdoZWVsZWQsIHF1aWV0LCBpbmV4cGVu c2l2ZT8gSSBkb24ndCBzZWUgbXlzZWxmIHN0YXlpbmcgaW4gdGhpcyBob3VzZSBtdWNoIGxvbmdl ciBzbyBJIHdvbid0IGJlIGluc3RhbGxpbmcgbGluZXMgYW5kIGEgbmljZSBzdGFuZCB1cCB1bml0 LCBidXQgSSBkbyBuZWVkIHRvIGZpbGwgY2FyIHRpcmVzLCBydW4gYSBmcmFtaW5nIG5haWwgZ3Vu LiAKCnRoYW5rcywKamltX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX18KClNob3AtdGFsa0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5u ZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjk2CkFyY2hpdmU6 IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsayBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVh bS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQoKVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQv bWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL3Nob3AtdGFsay9wYXRpbnRleGFzQGljbG91ZC5jb20KCl9fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gu dGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3Rl ZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi45NgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3Bp cGVybWFpbC9zaG9wLXRhbGsgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2Ny aWJlL01hbmFnZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9zaG9wLXRh bGsvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKCg== From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 08:04:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0549DA0E16 for ; 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b=gb6H5Fz1njJlz6OsV66dEljGj9vP//4aaQVSRD+0KEFQviX99MMg3RA0FqYGmfjmFu f8UHhdYWT0FCD4LM9+FsDVL8JhVT3sicdS4UW6QyDTZlgGUuEVmgdOo6bNV2gNd6AmRV 4e4rYXz7DYYnDMjtv/V55Vqg5EzZyFYSw8d/5TYLyFUUIdZcHFOaw/uov6Ms+g2VzWeY OiIFyUjk3tyYdu6WVVJmF/ulX5V+fZSlDPwx6fW6JUDnNrK0EUg6MzCKkZG2uuf5tJwA ACbmYhS9gnq9Ljfsuz4+KTmRsTWqhXQMmxS/rEMzHyPEjei64nex4IEbYsRUM/Kz9yDT U2cQ== XBBwC26eRCx4oO5MocqqA8Ki0YYLFM+B7yyceebZ43sh Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:04:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <3A09C5BA-397E-4720-B0EF-F36C654BAE02@groupwbench.org> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:03:54 -0400 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Small compressors From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had an oilless craftsman standup for years until I upgraded to a big IR oiled machine. When I did, I gave the Craftsman to a buddy of mine and he runs it nearly constantly in his amateur machine shop and for all of our ridiculous vehicle projects. I bought the nicer of the Harbor Freight hose reels (rubber hose) when I bought it and mounted that to the ceiling so it would reach anywhere I'd want air and we moved the same setup to Joe's shop when I gave it to him. It is small (15-20 gallon, I think), fairly cheap, will even run a small blasting cabinet for short bursts, but it's mighty loud. So it's my hands-down recommendation if you're willing to endure the noise. If you're not, your options are sort of limited. In my experience, anything oilless is pretty loud and when you step up to oiled they're much more expensive and if you get a bigger one (which the oiled tend to be) then they make more noise because they're making so much more air. Regards, -Paul On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote: > > My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun. > > thanks, > jim_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 09:35:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE6AA0DFE for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC8EA0D4F for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 39so6651871otu.3 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=r2jwJXYgrp6ZNbyqNShHtCsilU1MkDiVeuusAs05paM=; b=TaQNr7/iOocfP3SI9SNLrKVf1QW5N/OqkMf2/Mz1L2CSTEHK/rp5D2DoKgciwxMPoc omYEdIueTunTeRklXBqZR1qar7VEsLatFiKmUAegT+61dib1WGIct+YAUriy5V+BjWQn l0gdN2sVMsmJkmv/CIMClJ7nNyp/0A8nYCcMSARbJ7pdIJdUJIvsQUxClZ/5A6eAQJjC 1Mq0xksHN0Pi1kutuX2QOGyybzm70y5XzxfF3F/UTDeokoLrnkmAvZ1MCCIYjNbnqnww YX6JMJBVIoL1Vu3kg7YJsRnByihgTB9junlK4SEwqMLX5rkh50mDUD6slxO9CyArVuN/ RHyA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=r2jwJXYgrp6ZNbyqNShHtCsilU1MkDiVeuusAs05paM=; b=p3toK1VO1B72eXgnuokGSGc7VyaACJ3JJRJb3nhZnaza+7SUa/pGSaCOXtTbOOdXWU NAMwXW+3jykh2M99nfRFFLVlh+TfTO5HOqKkXtnxeqVO0MZvhPjKJgWAYL7Pa8SR4/gr YEed9lyMB4qMO/zbC+KoaVa/J6ewIlCWV6aLmio65I7HGDTFf4QnqsBgVhBAO9+v7+KF tCMH0d4QIkGsycc2keJ14eHQRQETJrzRmMrNV0/rsmma1zg/tyqttlkmkHSXQs+NxHzi qWLbHuvwIO0vN36R/1fmwnQHggjCh3xXUlvLPoOgjqAuod9Trzj8uaCvBYvsf1v+RNgT HzPw== H/1t7GS7o2Jxdpc8Rio5QxpZXwJ4/CcxH6b3y34Ppw== u26mr2003402oth.208.1584459318500; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FA554B9-F588-4C45-A6DE-BDEF98C06FF2@gmail.com> <0790a86d-0de4-393e-9e2e-61b9e2d35773@comcast.net> <20200317011341.5B940A0BC7@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:35:10 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough Subject: [Shop-talk] Was Y2k real: was everybody OK with Covid-19? From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0413938454087133102== --000000000000d73d6d05a10eae36 Howdy, As someone intimately involved with Y2k back in the day... The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken with any dates > 12/31/1999. Now, those systems were all health insurance related, so unlikely to cause everything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc. etc. would also have been affected. I don't think the world would have ended, but there was legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not being a thing that actually happened. FWIW. Mark On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > >> One problem that we will run into is that if the >> measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and >> many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't >> want to take appropriate measures next time. > > > Like Y2k. I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe > was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling > down and fixing it before it was a problem. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000d73d6d05a10eae36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

As someone intimately= involved with=C2=A0Y2k back in the day...

The software systems I wo= rked on would for sure have broken with any dates > 12/31/1999.=C2=A0 No= w, those systems were all health insurance related, so unlikely to cause ev= erything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility = companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc. etc. would also= have been affected.

I don't think the world would have ended, b= ut there was legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not be= ing a thing that actually happened.

FWIW.

Mark

On Tue, Mar 17,= 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
One problem that we will run into is that if the =
measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and <= br> many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and w= on't
want to take appropriate measures next time.

Like Y2k.=C2=A0 I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of c= atastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people b= uckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.=C2=A0
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--000000000000d73d6d05a10eae36-- --===============0413938454087133102== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0413938454087133102==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 09:37:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA25A0B76 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E7FA09F2 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a6so22000206otb.10 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=72lG1Sh6Ark/vYplK+OlGzPq+hpj51j04/sR95hc4Do=; b=kIckId12Fu6TIVjZwGiUuwa3elNbV6PpbyjRQu+q2GVZU4NTi3gnG4Liv76T8QV2Ml +BOl7t/7iv7tHrzfK1qmL/pxKTOGWzhmcR6zyoFOj35TrJ3FdX4BZCnmYrj+CirzwxS0 W/c3ZRw0MP3nNYUriIs021y9Wmv5wywRvBCEmZhQUeGvCVHvqa4VCsowgmEo0nqcl0Up py6PQ7H0ByrNCO6GoayAtCSXzt87TFpD/J1uZi6BpoRsskX8SdAYc94ncp1K/7DGmZdi ZN9AEvimLMUuJ/T3BXogU4W8USidCo+R3lmx6LSH1EzH9BgC/sEDrSVjGnfUzj0/oHCw muNg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=72lG1Sh6Ark/vYplK+OlGzPq+hpj51j04/sR95hc4Do=; b=SFrHI76EJfNbq8RuqTGyOCwBQRSMnRxUJE6W2sA+5fwE7vKdPMKoH8Aml2RNATN18r ywCTl2XKbVJV4T86DEXcd+kSF/n6+nL2I93yLRI+fZoCSx1LLA/HdcOOEOn6rnAZPuOl mXkh+6Ct80mtd09VBEc/ZUqp/E6K+JDn7/UlLLptPGTmyhyYaNb13UKHi8ryCCs86aML A+cInabuFKGpNiQ5zgm3lGxwTf4ArZrMk9rVysC7B2doCaNLYcCTAA6DNh8e/X/X6gWq NcTE9uRsNRDe8N6JIg7WjRVX+jqfTnKx99W+Oc5mSasU/YVdvGZ3MUZGHm681bNj13cU BErA== ey7WFDbXt2r4DsfIRLrcVKZB3O+Ij/G7JcZSJaeR3Iz6g9g= u26mr2013803oth.208.1584459460329; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <3A09C5BA-397E-4720-B0EF-F36C654BAE02@groupwbench.org> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:37:32 -0400 To: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Small compressors From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8712792914642335394== --0000000000004b4db905a10eb730 Howdy, I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet compressors. Stuff like this, though there are obviously others... https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html Mark On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for > 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like > for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this > house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, > but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun. > > thanks, > jim_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --0000000000004b4db905a10eb730 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

I haven't ever actually used one, but t= he first thing I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet compressors= .=C2=A0 Stuff like this, though there are obviously others...

https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tan= ks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.htm= l=C2=A0

Mark=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim = Franklin via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I ha= ve abused it for 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point= . What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't s= ee myself staying in this house much longer so I won't be installing li= nes and a nice stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framin= g nail gun.

thanks,
jim_______________________________________________

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--0000000000004b4db905a10eb730-- --===============8712792914642335394== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8712792914642335394==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 11:57:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3529FA09D6 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D53A07FF for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6F81726C5 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2QpLIzJQLSXA for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cpe-74-133-176-135.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.176.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6ABC81725A0 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <3A09C5BA-397E-4720-B0EF-F36C654BAE02@groupwbench.org> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:57:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Small compressors From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5078878328392065775== boundary="------------242B8FC35BAD0EC851B9F5EE" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------242B8FC35BAD0EC851B9F5EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a 25gal Craftsman Pro oil-filled compressor. At 25 gallons, it's at the larger end of what I'd consider "small" but it is on pneumatic wheels so rolling it around isn't a problem. I use it for everything from filling tires to blowing out the sprinkler lines in the fall (I usually aim a fan at the pump for the latter...the pump runs continuous for an hour or two so this keeps the pump cool to the touch). On 3/17/20 09:52, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote: > My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun. > > thanks, > jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------242B8FC35BAD0EC851B9F5EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a 25gal Craftsman Pro oil-filled compressor. At 25 gallons, it's at the larger end of what I'd consider "small" but it is on pneumatic wheels so rolling it around isn't a problem. I use it for everything from filling tires to blowing out the sprinkler lines in the fall (I usually aim a fan at the pump for the latter...the pump runs continuous for an hour or two so this keeps the pump cool to the touch).


On 3/17/20 09:52, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun. 

thanks,
jim

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--Apple-Mail-1A099E8C-15C9-43FC-BED5-7BABC7854F3E charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gallon compressors after hearing how q= uiet it is. Don=E2=80=99t dismiss it before you check it out.=20 - Bill Rabel Anacortes =E2=80=9CI never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion= , in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=9D=20 Thomas Jefferson > On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Howdy, >=20 > I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing I'd check out would b= e the inexpensive quiet compressors. Stuff like this, though there are obvi= ously others... >=20 > https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/= 2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html=20= >=20 > Mark=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote: >> My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 1= 0+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like f= or small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this ho= use much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but= I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun.=20 >>=20 >> thanks, >> jim_______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar= chive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka= @maracing.com >>=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/brabel= @comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-1A099E8C-15C9-43FC-BED5-7BABC7854F3E charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gall= on compressors after hearing how quiet it is. Don=E2=80=99t dismiss it befor= e you check it out. 

- Bill Rabel
  A= nacortes

=E2=80=9CI never considered a difference o= f opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawin= g from a friend.=E2=80=9D 

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On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:3= 7 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHowdy,

I haven't ever actually used one, but the first t= hing I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet compressors.  Stuff l= ike this, though there are obviously others...

https://www.ha= rborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi= -ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html 

M= ark 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk= <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
My Por= ter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ years a= nd it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for small, w= heeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house much lo= nger so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but I do need t= o fill car tires, run a framing nail gun.

thanks,
jim_______________________________________________

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- Bill Rabel
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On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Arvid <arvidj999@gmail.com> wrote:

Between me being a little hard of hearin= g, the radio being on and how quiet it is I never know when it is running. V= ery light and easy to carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.
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Bob


On 3/17/2020 5:09 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk wrote:
I have to comment about the 20%-off coupon. I took my coupon in, and it specifically exempts some items from the discount, one being the compressor.

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes


On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Arvid <arvidj999@gmail.com> wrote:

Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and how quiet it is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.


    

    

  


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ps.  Went to HF this morning; looks like they had a run on nitrile gloves.


On 3/17/2020 5:09 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk wrote:
> I have to comment about the 20%-off coupon. I took my coupon in, and 
> it specifically exempts some items from the discount, one being the 
> compressor.
>
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Arvid 
>> Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and how 
>> quiet it is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to 
>> carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.
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    ps.  Went to HF this morning; looks like they had a run on nitrile
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On 3/17/2020 5:09 PM, Bill Rabel via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

      
      I have to comment about the 20%-off coupon.
        I took my coupon in, and it specifically exempts some items from
        the discount, one being the compressor.
      


      

      
- Bill Rabel

      
  Anacortes

      


        


          On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Arvid <arvidj999@gmail.com>
          wrote:

          

          
Between me being a
            little hard of hearing, the radio being on and how quiet it
            is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to
            carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.

        

      

      

      

      
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My local HF was limiting nitrile gloves to 4 packages per person.

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    ps.=C2=A0 Went to HF this morning; looks like they had a run on nitrile
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On 3/17/2020 5:09 PM, Bill Rabel via
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- Bill Rabel

      
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          On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Arvid <arvidj999@gmail.com=
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Between me being a
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            is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to
            carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.

        

      

      

      

      
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
From: Jack Brooks via Shop-talk 
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Doing ok and having fun with a cute woman I discovered on the couch after r=
unning out of garage projects.

King County, WA Epicenter resident here too.  63 years old and mostly barri=
caded at home, except for occasional 6 AM forays to Home Depot for project =
supplies and some back country skiing on and off Tuesday through Thursday t=
o avoid others.

On a positive note, I and I suspect many of you, have at least a couple of =
N95 masks in the garage, just in case.

Jack

From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of Mike Sincla=
ir via Shop-talk
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 2:23 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?


Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They are ev=
en talking about an evening curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except be s=
afe and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 cases, with 37 c=
onfirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised health to be=
gin with.  Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed dead''.

Mike
On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area=
, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is starting to feel=
 like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has decided thi=
s is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding areas.  What t=
hey bring with them is the concern, especially as our hospital is pretty mu=
ch sized for the year round population, not the rich and famous who spend t=
heir summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us.  Still, my family (daugh=
ter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying wi=
th us for the duration) are all safe and healthy.  Long may that continue!

Hope everyone else stays well, too.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk 
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Doing ok and having fun with a cut=
e woman I discovered on the couch after running out of garage projects.



 


King County, WA Epicenter resident=
 here too.  63 years old and mostly barricaded at home, except for occ=
asional 6 AM forays to Home Depot for project supplies
 and some back country skiing on and off Tuesday through Thursday to avoid =
others. 



 


On a positive note, I and I suspec=
t many of you, have at least a couple of N95 masks in the garage, just in c=
ase.



 


Jack


 






From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net> 
On Behalf Of Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk

Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 2:23 PM

To: shop-talk@autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?






 


Here in the US=
 Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They are even talkin=
g about an evening curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except be safe =
and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420
 cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with comprom=
ised health to begin with.  Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed d=
ead''.


Mike




On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:=







All is well in Southampton, with only one community =
spread case in the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. =
 It is starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with =
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Is there a prize here for the best response to a question?  If so, I =
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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Jack Brooks via Shop-talk =
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> Doing ok and having fun with a cute woman I discovered on the couch =
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nominate Jack!

On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Jack Brooks =
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Doing ok and having fun with a cute =
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
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  In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early.=C2=A0 The health commissioner =
in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing public spaces such as =
pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much derision as a result.=C2=
=A0 But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per 100,000 people, 1/8 of tha=
t of Philadelphia.=C2=A0 The results speak for them selves.
Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.
 =20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk 
To: Jeff Scarbrough 
Cc: Shop-Talk 
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

 On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
 =20
=20
=20
 =20
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote:
  =C2=A0=20
This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other ty=
pes of outbreaks we have recently had. =C2=A0But this one has the media wag=
ing the dog.=20
=20
=20
  I am not an epidemiologist.=C2=A0 But I do help to keep a high-containmen=
t infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off...=20
  This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the virii f=
amily tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).=C2=A0 It is like swine =
flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.=20
  What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.=C2=A0 That mea=
ns we haven't seen it before.   I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat it=
self, and doesn't rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the=
 same sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.=C2=A0 It's=
 now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated =
50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what=
 it is now.=C2=A0 There are pandemics, and some of them have rather high de=
ath rates.=C2=A0 The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.=C2=A0=
 The CDC is estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothi=
ng to sneeze at.=C2=A0 In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, =
probably because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to=
 care is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from opportu=
nistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia.=C2=A0 The death r=
ate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is about 0.1%, =
so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and has a much great=
er potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to behave exceptionally bec=
ause the threat is exceptional are appropriate.=C2=A0 Does the media magnif=
y the threat?=C2=A0 Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the busin=
ess.=C2=A0 But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen =
to it, instead of the nitwits.=20
  Cheers.
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Michael Porter
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=20

 In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early.  The=
=20
health commissioner in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing
 public spaces such as pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much=20
derision as a result.  But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per=20
100,000 people, 1/8 of that of Philadelphia.  The results speak for th=
em
 selves.









Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is =
a recipe for disaster.



 



 





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To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>

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              recently had.
               But this one has the media waging the dog.
            

          

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I am not an epidemiologist.  But I do help to keep a
            high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of
            this has rubbed off...


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This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are
            cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called
            SARS-CoV-2).  It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that i=
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            seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.


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What makes it different is that it is a novel
            coronavirus.  That means we haven't seen it before.


        


      


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I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't
      rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same
      sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.  It's
      now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an
      estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was
      about 35-40% of what it is now.  There are pandemics, and
      some of them have rather high death rates.  The rate of death fr=
om
      the Spanish flu was about 2%.  The CDC is estimating a rate of
      death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at.  In
      hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because
      in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is
      less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from
      opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia. =
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      The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety
      influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is
      more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all
      in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is
      exceptional are appropriate.  Does the media magnify the threat?=
 
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      if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it,
      instead of the nitwits.


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I have the 2-gallon version. Is great for staplers, filling tires, nail gun, etc. Will actually run a small cutoff wheel for about 30 seconds. Don't laugh. It only took 26 seconds to make the steel rod shorter!!! And it seems to have reasonable recovery time.

Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and how quiet it is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.

I think the 1-gallon is too small and the 4-gallon was heavier than I wanted for a portable compressor. I have an 80 gallon 5hp if I need to do anything serious but I can't remember the last time I bothered to get the hose and find the nearest fitting. Easier to just carry the little one over and plug it in.

On 3/17/20 2:13 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk wrote:
> I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gallon compressors after hearing how quiet it is. Don’t dismiss it before you check it out.
>
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes
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>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk  wrote:
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>> 
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet compressors.  Stuff like this, though there are obviously others...
>>
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>     My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun.
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I have the 2-gallon version. Is great for staplers, filling
      tires, nail gun, etc. Will actually run a small cutoff wheel for
      about 30 seconds. Don't laugh. It only took 26 seconds to make the
      steel rod shorter!!! And it seems to have reasonable recovery
      time.

    

    
Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and
      how quiet it is I never know when it is running. Very light and
      easy to carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.

    
I think the 1-gallon is too small and the 4-gallon was heavier
      than I wanted for a portable compressor. I have an 80 gallon 5hp
      if I need to do anything serious but I can't remember the last
      time I bothered to get the hose and find the nearest fitting.
      Easier to just carry the little one over and plug it in.

    

    
On 3/17/20 2:13 PM, Bill Rabel via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

      
      I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gallon compressors after
      hearing how quiet it is. Don’t dismiss it before you check it
      out. 
      


      

      
- Bill Rabel

      
  Anacortes

        

        

          
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              difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in
              philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.” 

          
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On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Andy
            via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

            

          

        

        

          

            
Howdy,
              


                I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing
                I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet
                compressors.  Stuff like this, though there are
                obviously others...

                

                https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html 

                

                Mark 

              

            

            

            

              
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at
                9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
                wrote:

              

              
My Porter Cable
                pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for
                10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point.
                What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet,
                inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house
                much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice
                stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a
                framing nail gun. 

                

                thanks,

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I also worked in health insurance IT around Y2K.

There appeared to be two ways to fix it. One was to extend all date fields to accommodate the century. The other was to leave the date field as is and add logic where it was used to "do the right thing". It was assumed that most people were not over 100 years old so birthdays were assumed to be in the century appropriate for someone under 100. 01/01/00 was assumed to be in 2000, not 1900. Same way with dates of service, etc. ... assumed to be within the last 10 years.

Still took several years to go thru all the code that had been written over the last 20 years to get everything tested and working. All the effort turned it into a non-event.

Note that it will probably happen again with Y2K38 when the Linux epoch date rolls over but I am quite certain that will be somebody else's problem ;-}

On 3/17/20 10:35 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk wrote:
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>
> As someone intimately involved with Y2k back in the day...
>
> The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken with any dates > 12/31/1999.  Now, those systems were all health insurance related, so unlikely to cause everything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc. etc. would also have been affected.
>
> I don't think the world would have ended, but there was legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not being a thing that actually happened.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>         One problem that we will run into is that if the
>         measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and
>         many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't
>         want to take appropriate measures next time.
>
>
>     Like Y2k.  I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.
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I also worked in health insurance IT around Y2K.

    
There appeared to be two ways to fix it. One was to extend all
      date fields to accommodate the century. The other was to leave the
      date field as is and add logic where it was used to "do the right
      thing". It was assumed that most people were not over 100 years
      old so birthdays were assumed to be in the century appropriate for
      someone under 100. 01/01/00 was assumed to be in 2000, not 1900.
      Same way with dates of service, etc. ... assumed to be within the
      last 10 years.

    
Still took several years to go thru all the code that had been
      written over the last 20 years to get everything tested and
      working. All the effort turned it into a non-event.

    
Note that it will probably happen again with Y2K38 when the Linux
      epoch date rolls over but I am quite certain that will be somebody
      else's problem ;-}

    

    
On 3/17/20 10:35 AM, Mark Andy via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

      
      

        
Howdy,

        


        

        
As someone intimately involved with Y2k back in the day...

          

          The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken
          with any dates > 12/31/1999.  Now, those systems were all
          health insurance related, so unlikely to cause everything to
          just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility
          companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc.
          etc. would also have been affected.

          

          I don't think the world would have ended, but there was
          legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not
          being a thing that actually happened.

          

          FWIW.

          

          Mark

        

        

          
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:37
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One problem that we
                  will run into is that if the 

                  measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a
                  catastrophe, and 

                  many people will complain, "Well, that was all for
                  naught!" and won't 

                  want to take appropriate measures next time.

                


                

                
Like Y2k.  I'ts never been clear to me how much of
                  the lack of catastrophe was due to overhype, and how
                  much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and
                  fixing it before it was a problem. 

              

            

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
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Dave writes
>Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for 
disaster.

No disrespect to you, Dave, but your post brought up the problem I'm 
having with all this. None of this is directed at you or anyone here, just 
my frustration with this situation.

First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but 
there is never a whisper of it.  In fact, many of the people that are 
shaking in their boots now are the same people that parrot the 'I'm not 
getting a flu shot, that will just get me sick" manta.  But if they 
released an untested vaccine today, they would be lining up by the 
millions.  I hate hypocrisy.  (I'm not suggesting that you are in any way 
one of these people.)

Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this is 
the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without 
question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting 
for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding 
now.

Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda to 
sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is nothing 
more than any of the other flus that go around this time of year.  If the 
media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life 
would be much more predictable.  They will cause more panic before this is 
over.

I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will NOT 
change any habit as a result of this.  But I am getting more shop time and 
it's awesome!

One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my 
cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess I 
need to shop at better furniture stores!



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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Dave writes

>Dealing with
this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.



No disrespect to you, Dave, but your
post brought up the problem I'm having with all this. None of this is directed
at you or anyone here, just my frustration with this situation.



First, we loose tens of thousands of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it.  In
fact, many of the people that are shaking in their boots now are the same
people that parrot the 'I'm not getting a flu shot, that will just get
me sick" manta.  But if they released an untested vaccine today,
they would be lining up by the millions.  I hate hypocrisy.  (I'm
not suggesting that you are in any way one of these people.)



Next, of course 'professionals' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.  Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question.  I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.



Finally, the news networks (both sides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.  I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.  If the media wasn't crying about
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more predictable.
 They will cause more panic before this is over.



I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.
 But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!



One more final note-  I have looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with.  8>(  I guess I need to shop at better furniture
stores!







"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk =
 wrote:
>=20
> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but =
there is never a whisper of it.

Based on the ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus =
is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to =
identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around =
for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are =
both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. etc.

>=20
> Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this =
is the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without =
question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting =
for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding =
now.=20

The corona virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. =
The more we encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from =
animals to humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally =
speaking.=20

>=20
> Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda =
to sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is =
nothing more than any of the other flus that go around this time of =
year.  If the media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't =
panic and life would be much more predictable.  They will cause more =
panic before this is over.=20

People are free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded =
channel that best confirms their biases and frames of mind. The CDC news =
is free and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction =
to the news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because =
someone doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it =
seems overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because =
it seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a =
Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still walking around like =
they can't be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got =
sick from it, you'd never hear the end of it. There's your hypocricy.=20

>=20
> I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will =
NOT change any habit as a result of this.

Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if =
you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real =
and have spread this thing far more than the sick people have.=20

>  But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!=20

I was completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun =
but short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a =
bicycle to ready.=20

>=20
> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my =
cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess =
I need to shop at better furniture stores!=20

Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet =
copressors :-D

jim



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On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

First, we loose tens of thousands of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of =
it.

Based on the =
ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus is 10x =
deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to =
identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around =
for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are =
both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. =
etc.



Next, of =
course 'professionals' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.  Just look how =
money
is flowing into labs without question.  I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.


The corona =
virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. The more we =
encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from animals to =
humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally =
speaking. 



Finally, =
the news networks (both sides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.  I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.  If the media wasn't crying about
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more =
predictable.
 They will cause more panic before this is over.


People are =
free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded channel =
that best confirms their biases and frames of mind. The CDC news is free =
and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction to the =
news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because someone =
doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it seems =
overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because it =
seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a =
Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still walking around like =
they can't be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got =
sick from it, you'd never hear the end of it. There's your =
hypocricy. 



I say =
this as a person (almost 50) WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of =
this.

Then I wish you =
the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if you're out and =
about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread =
this thing far more than the sick people have. 


 But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!


I was =
completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun but =
short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a bicycle =
to ready. 



One more =
final note-  I have looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with.  8>(  I guess I need to shop at better =
furniture
stores!


Maybe Amazon =
can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet copressors =
:-D

jim


=

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:55:38 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk 
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I really can't add much to Jim's response, but I want to emphasize this:

"Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if
you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and
have spread this thing far more than the sick people have."

That's the gist of it.  Go to the CDC or the WHO or your state public
health agency for the information you need.   They will tell you that if
you /have? to go out among your neighbors, wash your hands, avoid groups,
and keep your distance.  Sure, it's a pain in the ass, but we are literally
all in this together, whether we like it or not.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:20 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but
> there is never a whisper of it.
>
>
> Based on the ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus
> is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to
> identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around for=
 3
> months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are both
> viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. etc.
>
>
> Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this is
> the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without
> question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting
> for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding
> now.
>
>
> The corona virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. Th=
e
> more we encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from anima=
ls
> to humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally speaking=
.
>
>
> Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda to
> sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is nothing
> more than any of the other flus that go around this time of year.  If the
> media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life
> would be much more predictable.  They will cause more panic before this i=
s
> over.
>
>
> People are free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded
> channel that best confirms their biases and frames of mind. The CDC news =
is
> free and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction to t=
he
> news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because someone
> doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it seems
> overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because it see=
ms
> overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a Godfather-like
> sense of entitlement and are still walking around like they can't be
> inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got sick from it,
> you'd never hear the end of it. There's your hypocricy.
>
>
> I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will NOT
> change any habit as a result of this.
>
>
> Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if
> you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and
> have spread this thing far more than the sick people have.
>
>  But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!
>
>
> I was completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun bu=
t
> short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a bicycle t=
o
> ready.
>
>
> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my
> cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess I
> need to shop at better furniture stores!
>
>
> Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet
> copressors :-D
>
> jim
>
>
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I really can't add much to Jim's response, but I w=
ant to emphasize this:

"Then I wish you the best of luck.=
 Just don't give it to anyone else if you're out and about feeling =
fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread this thing far mor=
e than the sick people have."

That'=
s the gist of it.=C2=A0 Go to the CDC or the WHO or your state public healt=
h agency for the information you need.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They will tell you that =
if you /have? to go out among your neighbors, wash your hands, avoid groups=
, and keep your distance.=C2=A0 Sure, it's a pain in the ass, but we ar=
e literally all in this together, whether we like it or not.
On Thu, M=
ar 19, 2020 at 2:20 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


On Mar 19, 2020, =
at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=

First, we loose tens of thousands =
of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it.

Based on the ridiculously small amount of tes=
ting we've done, this virus is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could ch=
ange once testing is able to identify people who are asymptomatic, but stil=
l it's only been around for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrele=
vant except that they are both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV,=
 etc. etc.



Next, of course 'professionals=
' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.=C2=A0 Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question.=C2=A0 I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.


The corona virus family will not go a=
way. This is #4 in our lifetimes. The more we encroach on wildlife, the mor=
e viruses will cross over from animals to humans. And we don't seem to =
be making fewer humans, globally speaking.=C2=A0



Finally, the news networks (both s=
ides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.=C2=A0 I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.=C2=A0 If the media wasn't crying abou=
t
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more predic=
table.
=C2=A0They will cause more panic before this is over.


People are free to buy their own news=
 instead of choosing the ad-funded channel that best confirms their biases =
and frames of mind. The CDC news is free and as accurate as we have. What&#=
39;s worse than the over-reaction to the news is the under-reaction, or the=
 resistance to react, because someone doesn't like the source. Refusing=
 to believe the news because it seems overhyped is not differnet than refus=
ing to get a flu shot because it seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in N=
Y where everyone has a Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still wa=
lking around like they can't be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their eld=
erly relatives got sick from it, you'd never hear the end of it. There&=
#39;s your hypocricy.=C2=A0



I say this as a person (almost 50)=
 WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.

Then I wish you the best of luck. Just=
 don't give it to anyone else if you're out and about feeling fine.=
 Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread this thing far more tha=
n the sick people have.=C2=A0

=

=C2=A0But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!


I was completely unprepared in this r=
egard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun but short-lived. Even once I decide on a =
compressor there is only a bicycle to ready.=C2=A0



One more final note- =C2=A0I have =
looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with. =C2=A08>( =C2=A0I guess I need to shop at better furnit=
ure
stores!


Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a =
few good recommendations for quiet copressors :-D

=
jim


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> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the 
> flu, but there is never a whisper of it. 

And the current projection is that we may lose over 2 million people to this
new form of flu.  Any form of death that suddenly jumps by a factor of 100
(estimated) is bound to attract attention.

> I will stand by my guns here 
> and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus 
> that go around this time of year.

Ok, maybe it's no worse than the Spanish flu.  But the Spanish flu killed
more people worldwide than died in WWI.

>  If the media wasn't crying 
> about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be 
> much more predictable.

True; but that prediction currently includes a roughly 1% chance of drowning
in your own phlegm, because there aren't enough ventilators and hospital
beds to go around.  Crappy way for anyone to die, even if it doesn't get you
personally.

I suppose, to a large extent, it boils down to what a human life is worth.
But every one of those 2.2 million potential deaths is someone's son, or
daughter, or grandkid, or grandparent, etc.  So maybe they are worth trying
to save after all.

> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under 
> all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time 
> with.  8>(  I guess I need to shop at better furniture stores! 

And perhaps that is part of the issue.  Even though my first wife already
passed, I do have some great-grandkids that I want to grow up happy and
healthy even if I'm not there to see it.

-- Randall


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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
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I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war 
or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let me 
know)

But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this is 
a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.

A few rebuttals, 

Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, 
however, I believe there are 2 main reasons for that.
1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have 
poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and 
elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better than 
the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average modern 
populations. 

2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) that 
got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and never 
reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but 
you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you had.  This will 
artificially inflate fatality statistics.

So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the 
Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine 
worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same 
amount of deaths.

For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two 
weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in our 
state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person to die 
here had just about every major issue you can think of. 
Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  But 
these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as 
well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in the 
rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. People 
see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the 
"aggravating factors for each person" facts.

My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. 
Entire cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People 
losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus 
packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed 
for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people 
that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called 
'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have 
been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is 
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast 
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek 
episode.)

Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplies 
as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the 
media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people 
just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed 
they are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list are 
unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go talk to 
the average person on the street if you want to see how mis-informed 
people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the speaker of the house 
is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 
people even had an educated guess.) 

Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of 
educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat 
classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)

Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will 
completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?

I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is already 
enough of a bummer.

To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to 
get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to 
pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening 
when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.

Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I don't 
want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list has been 
a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and ever one of 
you opinions and advice.

Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed 
something.  8>)

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 007BB9F785258530_=

I do appreciate everyone's comments here.
 I'm not trying to start a war or anything, and I will stop if no
one wants to hear my side (just let me know)



But I'm guessing we all have some extra
time on our hands now and this is a great way to stay in touch with others,
without risk.



A few rebuttals, 



Yes, they are saying that this seems
to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe there are 2 main reasons
for that.

1-where it started, china then moved
to Iran.  Both of these places have poor nutrition, poor medical care
(and even poorer access to it.), and elderly populations.  Italy also
has poor medical care (albeit better than the other two.)  So fatalities
were higher than average modern populations. 



2-Then, there is most likely a vast
populations (even in those areas) that got the virus, and shrugged it off
as the flu, got better, and never reported it.  So that means that
you can track 100% of the fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick
but were fine' people you had.  This will artificially inflate fatality
statistics.



So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst.
Next, comparing this to the Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more
advance medical machine worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today,
there wouldn't be the same amount of deaths.



For my job. I have been living and breathing
this stuff for almost two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every
aspect.  The victims in our state all had other serious health issues.
In fact the first person to die here had just about every major issue you
can think of. 

Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am
not trying to down play it.  But these were all people that the flu
most likely would have impacted as well.  It doesn't make it any less
tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest of the population for something
they can't see the details on. People see a "number of fatalities"
statistic.  But they don't see the "aggravating factors for each
person" facts.



My point is that the response may be
way worst than the virus itself. Entire cities/states/countries shutting
down.  Livelihoods lost.  People losing jobs, and means to support
their families. Even with stimulus packages (that further reduce the dollars
worth) business will be closed for good, jobs that don't come back. All
because populations of people that were vulnerable to the flu or other
viruses, contracted one called 'covid-19.'  If they contracted the
regular flu and died, it would have been like any other year. I hate to
sound so insensitive, but it is because I'm rooting for the whole society
and what's best for the vast majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot
to an original Star Trek episode.)



Populations are panicking, I hope we
don't see riots for food and supplies as people are being bombarded with
more and more fear mongering by the media. And yes, people choose their
media,but the vast majority of people just watch one side of the 24h networks
and have no idea how mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations
that the people on this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed
and educated' group, but go talk to the average person on the street if
you want to see how mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100
people "who the speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze
if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people even had an educated
guess.)  



Even if it doesn't come to riots, the
stress on people, the loss of educational opportunities (many college students
may have to repeat classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)



Or, if there is a REAL emergency that
comes later, how many people will completely ignore it because covid-19
was a big nothing burger?



I'm not even going to go into my future
prediction, as this is already enough of a bummer.



To leave on a positive note, it is awesome
that most families are going to get to spend a ton of time together.  It's
great that we get time to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great
that this is happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.



Please feel free to comment, I will
not respond unless asked to as I don't want this to drag out unless there
is enough interest.  This list has been a great resource for me for
decades, and I respect each and ever one of you opinions and advice.



Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa
cushions to see if I missed something.  8>)



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?
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But we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the US. =

We are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a =

mortality rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. =

(China in general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan =

is a very modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality =

rate was 4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. =

Italy's mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) =

as of 15 minutes ago.

This is not a disease to take lightly from all the evidence.

We'll be able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because =

we will have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate =

precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we =

should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint =

water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.

Donald.

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On 2020-03-19 6:31 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> I do appreciate everyone's comments here. =A0I'm not trying to start a wa=
r =

> or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let =

> me know)
> =

> But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this =

> is a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.
> =

> A few rebuttals,
> =

> Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, =

> however, I believe there are 2 main reasons for that.
> 1-where it started, china then moved to Iran. =A0Both of these places hav=
e =

> poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and =

> elderly populations. =A0Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better =

> than the other two.) =A0So fatalities were higher than average modern =

> populations.
> =

> 2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) =

> that got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and =

> never reported it. =A0So that means that you can track 100% of the =

> fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you =

> had. =A0This will artificially inflate fatality statistics.
> =

> So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the =

> Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine =

> worldwide now. =A0Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same =

> amount of deaths.
> =

> For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two =

> weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect. =A0The victims in =

> our state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person =

> to die here had just about every major issue you can think of.
> Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it. =A0But =

> these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as =

> well. =A0It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in =

> the rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. =

> People see a "number of fatalities" statistic. =A0But they don't see the =

> "aggravating factors for each person" facts.
> =

> My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. =

> Entire cities/states/countries shutting down. =A0Livelihoods lost. =A0Peo=
ple =

> losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus =

> packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed =

> for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people =

> that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called =

> 'covid-19.' =A0If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have =

> been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is =

> because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast =

> majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek =

> episode.)
> =

> Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and =

> supplies as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering =

> by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority =

> of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how =

> mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations that the people on =

> this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, =

> but go talk to the average person on the street if you want to see how =

> mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the =

> speaker of the house is?" =A0I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers =

> (and if more than 20 people even had an educated guess.)
> =

> Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of =

> educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat =

> classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)
> =

> Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will =

> completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?
> =

> I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is already =

> enough of a bummer.
> =

> To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going =

> to get to spend a ton of time together. =A0It's great that we get time to =

> pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening =

> when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.
> =

> Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I =

> don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest. =A0This list =

> has been a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and =

> ever one of you opinions and advice.
> =

> Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed =

> something. =A08>)
> =

> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =

> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =

> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
From: Bill Rabel via Shop-talk 
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Italy is experiencing what happens when there is a surge of patients =
that overwhelms the facilities that have to deal with them. Read this =
article from the Wall Street Journal.

Yes, Flatten the Curve

 =
- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes
  Sheltering In Place with a Gin & Tonic at the moment


> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk =
 wrote:
>=20
> But we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the =
US. We are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a =
mortality rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. =
(China in general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan =
is a very modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality =
rate was 4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. =
Italy's mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) =
as of 15 minutes ago.
>=20
> This is not a disease to take lightly from all the evidence.
>=20
> We'll be able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because =
we will have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate =
precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we =
should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint =
water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.
>=20
> Donald.
>=20
> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
> /\ 
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> On 2020-03-19 6:31 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a =
war or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just =
let me know)
>> But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and =
this is a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.
>> A few rebuttals,
>> Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, =
however, I believe there are 2 main reasons for that.
>> 1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places =
have poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), =
and elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit =
better than the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average =
modern populations.
>> 2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) =
that got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and =
never reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the =
fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you =
had.  This will artificially inflate fatality statistics.
>> So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the =
Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine =
worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same =
amount of deaths.
>> For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost =
two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims =
in our state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first =
person to die here had just about every major issue you can think of.
>> Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  =
But these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted =
as well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear =
in the rest of the population for something they can't see the details =
on. People see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see =
the "aggravating factors for each person" facts.
>> My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. =
Entire cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People =
losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus =
packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed =
for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people =
that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called =
'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have =
been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is =
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast =
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek =
episode.)
>> Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and =
supplies as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering =
by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority =
of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how =
mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations that the people on =
this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, =
but go talk to the average person on the street if you want to see how =
mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the =
speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers =
(and if more than 20 people even had an educated guess.)
>> Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of =
educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat =
classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)
>> Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people =
will completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?
>> I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is =
already enough of a bummer.
>> To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are =
going to get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get =
time to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is =
happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.
>> Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I =
don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list =
has been a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and =
ever one of you opinions and advice.
>> Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed =
something.  8>)
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
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Italy is experiencing what happens when there is a surge of =
patients that overwhelms the facilities that have to deal with them. =
Read this article from the Wall Street Journal.
Yes, Flatten the Curve
- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes
  Sheltering In Place with a Gin & Tonic at the =
moment


On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:12 PM, =
Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

But =
we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the US. We =
are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a mortality =
rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. (China in =
general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan is a very =
modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality rate was =
4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. Italy's =
mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) as of 15 =
minutes ago.

This is not a disease to take =
lightly from all the evidence.

We'll be =
able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because we will =
have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate =
precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we =
should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint =
water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.

Donald.

*Plain Text* email -- =
it's an accessibility issue
() no proprietary attachments; =
no html mail
/\ <https://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml&g=
t;

On 2020-03-19 6:31 p.m., eric--- via =
Shop-talk wrote:
I do =
appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war =
or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let =
me know)
But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on =
our hands now and this is a great way to stay in touch with others, =
without risk.
A few rebuttals,
Yes, they are =
saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe =
there are 2 main reasons for that.
1-where it started, =
china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have poor =
nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and =
elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit =
better than the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average =
modern populations.
2-Then, there is most likely a vast =
populations (even in those areas) that got the virus, and shrugged it =
off as the flu, got better, and never reported it.  So that means =
that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but you do not know how many =
'sick but were fine' people you had.  This will artificially =
inflate fatality statistics.
So, that is why it may SEEM =
to be worst. Next, comparing this to the Spanish flu is unfair as we =
have a way more advance medical machine worldwide now.  Even if =
that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same amount of deaths.
For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for =
almost two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect. =
 The victims in our state all had other serious health issues. In =
fact the first person to die here had just about every major issue you =
can think of.
Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not =
trying to down play it.  But these were all people that the flu =
most likely would have impacted as well.  It doesn't make it any =
less tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest of the population for =
something they can't see the details on. People see a "number of =
fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the "aggravating factors =
for each person" facts.
My point is that the response may =
be way worst than the virus itself. Entire cities/states/countries =
shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People losing jobs, and =
means to support their families. Even with stimulus packages (that =
further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed for good, jobs =
that don't come back. All because populations of people that were =
vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called =
'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would =
have been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is =
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast =
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek =
episode.)
Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see =
riots for food and supplies as people are being bombarded with more and =
more fear mongering by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but =
the vast majority of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and =
have no idea how mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations =
that the people on this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed =
and educated' group, but go talk to the average person on the street if =
you want to see how mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 =
people "who the speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze if you got =
10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people even had an educated =
guess.)
Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on =
people, the loss of educational opportunities (many college students may =
have to repeat classes or entire semesters, delaying their =
graduations.)
Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes =
later, how many people will completely ignore it because covid-19 was a =
big nothing burger?
I'm not even going to go into my =
future prediction, as this is already enough of a bummer.
To=
 leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to =
get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time =
to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is =
happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.
Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked =
to as I don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest. =
 This list has been a great resource for me for decades, and I =
respect each and ever one of you opinions and advice.
Now, =
I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed =
something.  8>)
"Be as beneficent as the sun or =
the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on =
the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who =
is John Galt?
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:49:35 -0500
To: Philip Ethier 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk 
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I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:56:54 -0500
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
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Eric, I can't square your outlook with what has happened in northern Italy.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Dave writes
> >Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for
> disaster.
>
> No disrespect to you, Dave, but your post brought up the problem I'm
> having with all this. None of this is directed at you or anyone here, just
> my frustration with this situation.
>
> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but
> there is never a whisper of it.  In fact, many of the people that are
> shaking in their boots now are the same people that parrot the 'I'm not
> getting a flu shot, that will just get me sick" manta.  But if they
> released an untested vaccine today, they would be lining up by the
> millions.  I hate hypocrisy.  (I'm not suggesting that you are in any way
> one of these people.)
>
> Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this is
> the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without
> question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting
> for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding
> now.
>
> Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda to
> sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is nothing
> more than any of the other flus that go around this time of year.  If the
> media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life
> would be much more predictable.  They will cause more panic before this is
> over.
>
> I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will NOT
> change any habit as a result of this.  But I am getting more shop time and
> it's awesome!
>
> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my
> cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess I
> need to shop at better furniture stores!
>
>

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Eric, I can't square your outlook with what has h=
appened in northern Italy.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM eric--- via Shop=
-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.=
net> wrote:
Dave writes

>Dealin=
g with
this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.



No disrespect to you, Dave, but yo=
ur
post brought up the problem I'm having with all this. None of this is d=
irected
at you or anyone here, just my frustration with this situation.



First, we loose tens of thousands =
of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it.=C2=A0 In
fact, many of the people that are shaking in their boots now are the same
people that parrot the 'I'm not getting a flu shot, that will just =
get
me sick" manta.=C2=A0 But if they released an untested vaccine today,
they would be lining up by the millions.=C2=A0 I hate hypocrisy. =C2=A0(I&#=
39;m
not suggesting that you are in any way one of these people.)



Next, of course 'professionals=
' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.=C2=A0 Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question.=C2=A0 I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.



Finally, the news networks (both s=
ides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.=C2=A0 I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.=C2=A0 If the media wasn't crying abou=
t
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more predic=
table.
=C2=A0They will cause more panic before this is over.



I say this as a person (almost 50)=
 WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.
=C2=A0But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!



One more final note- =C2=A0I have =
looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with. =C2=A08>( =C2=A0I guess I need to shop at better furnit=
ure
stores!





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Philip writes the hand washing song.  But, a all things geek, I need to 
make it work better, so here it is as a series of haikus!

I'm washing my hands
There is COVID-19 here
It's bright in the loo

I'm washing my hands
for twenty seconds, I scrub
Why is that guy here?

He's looking at me
But the germs are washed away
Where do they go now? 

Peace and calm, I am
Fear? I do not fear anything
Smaller than a van



"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?



From:   Philip Ethier via Shop-talk 
To:     Philip Ethier 
Cc:     shop-talk List 
Date:   03/20/2020 09:49
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 



I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
It takes twenty seconds
I'm washing my hands

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Philip writes the hand washing song.  But,
a all things geek, I need to make it work better, so here it is as a series
of haikus!



I'm washing my hands

There is COVID-19 here

It's bright in the loo



I'm washing my hands

for twenty seconds, I scrub

Why is that guy here?



He's looking at me

But the germs are washed away

Where do they go now? 



Peace and calm, I am

Fear? I do not fear anything

Smaller than a van







"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?







From:      
 Philip Ethier via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net>

To:      
 Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com>

Cc:      
 shop-talk List <shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Date:      
 03/20/2020 09:49

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I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands

There's COVID-19 here

I'm washing my hands



I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands

It takes twenty seconds

I'm washing my hands



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I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
It takes twenty seconds
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I thought his hands were clean enough after all the soap. Oh, well.

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On 2020-03-20 10:20 a.m., DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk wrote:
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Hi Eric - I have one question and one comment: 

 

Question: I am interested to know the basis for your statement below that
Italy has "poor medical care". All the information I have found indicate it
to be the exact opposite.  See, e.g., Organization for Economic Co-Operation
and Development's website
https://www.oecd.org/els/oecd-reviews-of-health-care-quality-italy-2014-9789
264225428-en.htm or pretty much everything else that comes up in the search
engine for 'quality of healthcare in Italy'.

 

Comment: I am beginning to be seriously concerned that political commentary
is swamping shop-related and other technical discussion, to the point where
the utility of the list is diminished for me.

----------------

All the best,

 

Al Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of eric--- via
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

 

I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war or
anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let me know)


But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this is a
great way to stay in touch with others, without risk. 

A few rebuttals, 

Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, however,
I believe there are 2 main reasons for that. 
1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have
poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and
elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better than
the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average modern populations. 

2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) that
got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and never
reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but
you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you had.  This will
artificially inflate fatality statistics. 

So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the Spanish
flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine worldwide now.
Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same amount of deaths. 

For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two
weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in our
state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person to die
here had just about every major issue you can think of. 
Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  But these
were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as well.  It
doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest of the
population for something they can't see the details on. People see a "number
of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the "aggravating factors for
each person" facts. 

My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. Entire
cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People losing
jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus packages (that
further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed for good, jobs
that don't come back. All because populations of people that were vulnerable
to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called 'covid-19.'  If they
contracted the regular flu and died, it would have been like any other year.
I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is because I'm rooting for the whole
society and what's best for the vast majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like
the plot to an original Star Trek episode.) 

Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplies
as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the
media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people
just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed
they are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list are
unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go talk to
the average person on the street if you want to see how mis-informed people
are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the speaker of the house is?"
I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people even
had an educated guess.)   

Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of
educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat classes
or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.) 

Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will
completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger? 

I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is already
enough of a bummer. 

To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to
get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to pursue
our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening when we
are entering spring and the weather is breaking. 

Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I don't
want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list has been a
great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and ever one of you
opinions and advice. 

Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed
something.  8>)

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo
Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?


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Hi Eric – I have one question and one comment: =

 
Question: I am interested to know the basis for your =
statement below that Italy has “poor medical care”. All the =
information I have found indicate it to be the exact opposite.  =
See, e.g., Organization for Economic Co-Operation and =
Development’s website https://www.oecd.org/els/oecd-reviews-of-hea=
lth-care-quality-italy-2014-9789264225428-en.htm or pretty much =
everything else that comes up in the search engine for ‘quality of =
healthcare in Italy’.
 
Comment: I =
am beginning to be seriously concerned that political commentary is =
swamping shop-related and other technical discussion, to the point where =
the utility of the list is diminished for me.
----------------
All the best,
 
Al =
Fuller
 
From: Shop-talk =
<shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of eric--- via =
Shop-talk
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:31 PM
To: =
Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK =
with Covid-19?
 
I do =
appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war =
or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let =
me know) 

But I'm =
guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this is a =
great way to stay in touch with others, without risk. =


A few =
rebuttals, 

Yes, they are =
saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe =
there are 2 main reasons for that. 
1-where it =
started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have poor =
nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and =
elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit =
better than the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average =
modern populations. 

2-Then, there =
is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) that got the =
virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and never reported =
it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but =
you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you had.  This =
will artificially inflate fatality statistics. 

So, that is =
why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the Spanish flu is =
unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine worldwide now. =
 Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same amount of =
deaths. 

For my job. I =
have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two weeks. We are =
taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in our state =
all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person to die =
here had just about every major issue you can think of. 
Is it sad =
people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  But these =
were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as well. =
 It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in =
the rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. =
People see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they =
don't see the "aggravating factors for each person" =
facts. 

My point is =
that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. Entire =
cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost. =
 People losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with =
stimulus packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will =
be closed for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations =
of people that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted =
one called 'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and =
died, it would have been like any other year. I hate to sound so =
insensitive, but it is because I'm rooting for the whole society and =
what's best for the vast majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot =
to an original Star Trek episode.) 

Populations =
are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplies as people =
are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the media. And =
yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people just =
watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed =
they are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list =
are unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go =
talk to the average person on the street if you want to see how =
mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the =
speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct =
answers (and if more than 20 people even had an educated guess.) =
  

Even if it =
doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of educational =
opportunities (many college students may have to repeat classes or =
entire semesters, delaying their graduations.) 

Or, if there =
is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will completely =
ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger? =


I'm not even =
going to go into my future prediction, as this is already enough of a =
bummer. 

To leave on a =
positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to get to =
spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to =
pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening =
when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking. =


Please feel =
free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I don't want this =
to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list has been a =
great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and ever one of =
you opinions and advice. 

Now, I'm going =
back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed something. =
 8>)

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if =
your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch =
of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John =
Galt?

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Love mine too.  Incredibly quiet for the power.
Karl

On March 19, 2020 12:17:17 PM Arvid via Shop-talk 
 wrote:
> I have the 2-gallon version. Is great for staplers, filling tires, nail 
> gun, etc. Will actually run a small cutoff wheel for about 30 seconds. 
> Don't laugh. It only took 26 seconds to make the steel rod shorter!!! And 
> it seems to have reasonable recovery time.
> Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and how quiet 
> it is I never know when it is running. Very light and easy to carry. 20% 
> off coupon and $160 out the door.
> I think the 1-gallon is too small and the 4-gallon was heavier than I 
> wanted for a portable compressor. I have an 80 gallon 5hp if I need to do 
> anything serious but I can't remember the last time I bothered to get the 
> hose and find the nearest fitting. Easier to just carry the little one over 
> and plug it in.
> On 3/17/20 2:13 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gallon compressors after hearing how 
>> quiet it is. Don’t dismiss it before you check it out.
>>
>> - Bill Rabel
>> Anacortes
>>
>>
>> “I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in 
>> philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.”
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing I'd check out would 
>>> be the inexpensive quiet compressors.  Stuff like this, though there are 
>>> obviously others...
>>>
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> My Porter Cable pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for 10+ 
>>> years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point. What do people like for 
>>> small, wheeled, quiet, inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this 
>>> house much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice stand up unit, 
>>> but I do need to fill car tires, run a framing nail gun.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> jim_______________________________________________
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Love mine too.  Incredibly quiet for the power.
Karl










On March 19, 2020 12:17:17 PM Arvid via Shop-talk <shop-talk@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:



    
I have the 2-gallon version. Is great for staplers, filling
      tires, nail gun, etc. Will actually run a small cutoff wheel for
      about 30 seconds. Don't laugh. It only took 26 seconds to make the
      steel rod shorter!!! And it seems to have reasonable recovery
      time.

    

    
Between me being a little hard of hearing, the radio being on and
      how quiet it is I never know when it is running. Very light and
      easy to carry. 20% off coupon and $160 out the door.

    
I think the 1-gallon is too small and the 4-gallon was heavier
      than I wanted for a portable compressor. I have an 80 gallon 5hp
      if I need to do anything serious but I can't remember the last
      time I bothered to get the hose and find the nearest fitting.
      Easier to just carry the little one over and plug it in.

    

    
On 3/17/20 2:13 PM, Bill Rabel via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

     =20
      I bought one of those Harbor Freight 4-gallon compressors after
      hearing how quiet it is. Don=E2=80=99t dismiss it before you check it
      out. 
      


      

      
- Bill Rabel

      
  Anacortes

        

        

          
=E2=80=9CI never considered a
              difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in
              philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=
=9D 

          
Thomas Jefferson

        

        


          
On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Mark Andy
            via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

            

          

        

        

          
=EF=BB=BF
            
Howdy,
              


                I haven't ever actually used one, but the first thing
                I'd check out would be the inexpensive quiet
                compressors.  Stuff like this, though there are
                obviously others...

                

                https://www.harborfreigh=
t.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-qu=
iet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html 

                

                Mark 

              

            

            

            

              
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at
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                wrote:

              

              
My Porter Cable
                pancake has a pinhole in the tank. I have abused it for
                10+ years and it doesn't owe me anything at this point.
                What do people like for small, wheeled, quiet,
                inexpensive? I don't see myself staying in this house
                much longer so I won't be installing lines and a nice
                stand up unit, but I do need to fill car tires, run a
                framing nail gun. 

                

                thanks,

                jim_______________________________________________

                

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> Comment: I am beginning to be seriously concerned that political 
> commentary is swamping shop-related and other technical discussion, to 
> the point where the utility of the list is diminished for me.
>
Everyone who wishes to continue this discussion go to 
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Doctor's orders!

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:19:43 -0500
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk 
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Italy has very good medical care. As good as the U.S., and they're on a
U.K.-like national plan so no one's avoiding going for financial reasons.
They do have private hospitals that are *very* good, then the public ones
that are just as good as ones you'd see in the U.S., then some in the
sticks that would be like those in tiny U.S. towns...except most of those
have long since closed. Americans might look down on those, but the
alternative in the U.S. would be a hospital that doesn't exist any more.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:28 AM Al Fuller via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hi Eric =E2=80=93 I have one question and one comment:
>
>
>
> Question: I am interested to know the basis for your statement below that
> Italy has =E2=80=9Cpoor medical care=E2=80=9D. All the information I have=
 found indicate it
> to be the exact opposite.  See, e.g., Organization for Economic
> Co-Operation and Development=E2=80=99s website
> https://www.oecd.org/els/oecd-reviews-of-health-care-quality-italy-2014-9=
789264225428-en.htm
> or pretty much everything else that comes up in the search engine for
> =E2=80=98quality of healthcare in Italy=E2=80=99.
>
>
>
> Comment: I am beginning to be seriously concerned that political
> commentary is swamping shop-related and other technical discussion, to th=
e
> point where the utility of the list is diminished for me.
>
> ----------------
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Al Fuller
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk  *On Behalf Of *eric-=
--
> via Shop-talk
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:31 PM
> *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
>
>
>
> I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war
> or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let me
> know)
>
> But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this is
> a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.
>
> A few rebuttals,
>
> Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu,
> however, I believe there are 2 main reasons for that.
> 1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have
> poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and
> elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better tha=
n
> the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average modern population=
s.
>
> 2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) tha=
t
> got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and never
> reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the fatalities, bu=
t
> you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you had.  This will
> artificially inflate fatality statistics.
>
> So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the
> Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine
> worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same
> amount of deaths.
>
> For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two
> weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in our
> state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person to di=
e
> here had just about every major issue you can think of.
> Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  But
> these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as
> well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in th=
e
> rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. Peopl=
e
> see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the
> "aggravating factors for each person" facts.
>
> My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself.
> Entire cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People
> losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus
> packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed
> for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people th=
at
> were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called
> 'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have
> been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is becau=
se
> I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast majority.
> (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek episode.)
>
> Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplie=
s
> as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the
> media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people
> just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed
> they are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list are
> unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go talk to
> the average person on the street if you want to see how mis-informed peop=
le
> are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the speaker of the house is?"
>  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people
> even had an educated guess.)
>
> Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of
> educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat class=
es
> or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)
>
> Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will
> completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?
>
> I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is already
> enough of a bummer.
>
> To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going t=
o
> get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to purs=
ue
> our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening when we
> are entering spring and the weather is breaking.
>
> Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I don'=
t
> want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list has bee=
n
> a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and ever one of y=
ou
> opinions and advice.
>
> Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed
> something.  8>)
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
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Italy has very good medical care. As good as the U.S., and=
 they're on a U.K.-like national plan so no one's avoiding going fo=
r financial reasons. They do have private hospitals that are *very* good, t=
hen the public ones that are just as good as ones you'd see in the U.S.=
, then some in the sticks that would be like those in tiny U.S. towns...exc=
ept most of those have long since closed. Americans might look down on thos=
e, but the alternative in the U.S. would be a hospital that doesn't exi=
st any more.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:28 AM Al Fuller via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
Hi Eric =E2=80=93 I have one question and one comment: 
=C2=A0
Question: I am interested to know the basis for your statement belo=
w that Italy has =E2=80=9Cpoor medical care=E2=80=9D. All the information I=
 have found indicate it to be the exact opposite.=C2=A0 See, e.g., Organiza=
tion for Economic Co-Operation and Development=E2=80=99s website https://www.oecd.org/els/oecd-reviews=
-of-health-care-quality-italy-2014-9789264225428-en.htm or pretty much =
everything else that comes up in the search engine for =E2=80=98quality of =
healthcare in Italy=E2=80=99.
=C2=A0
Comment: I am beginning to be ser=
iously concerned that political commentary is swamping shop-related and oth=
er technical discussion, to the point where the utility of the list is dimi=
nished for me.
----------------<=
/u>
All the best,
=C2=A0
Al Fuller=

=C2=A0
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of eric--- via Shop-talk
Sent: Thursday, March 19,=
 2020 6:31 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-ta=
lk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
=
=C2=A0
I do appreciate everyone's comments here.=
=C2=A0 I'm not trying to start a war or anything, and I will stop if no=
 one wants to hear my side (just let me know) 

But I'm guessing we all h=
ave some extra time on our hands now and this is a great way to stay in tou=
ch with others, without risk. 

A few rebuttals, 

Yes, they are saying that =
this seems to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe there are 2 ma=
in reasons for that. 
1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.=C2=A0 Both o=
f these places have poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer acce=
ss to it.), and elderly populations.=C2=A0 Italy also has poor medical care=
 (albeit better than the other two.) =C2=A0So fatalities were higher than a=
verage modern populations. 

2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations =
(even in those areas) that got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, g=
ot better, and never reported it.=C2=A0 So that means that you can track 10=
0% of the fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick but were fine&=
#39; people you had.=C2=A0 This will artificially inflate fatality statisti=
cs. 

So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the Sp=
anish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine worldwide=
 now.=C2=A0 Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same amou=
nt of deaths. 

For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for a=
lmost two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.=C2=A0 The v=
ictims in our state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first =
person to die here had just about every major issue you can think of. 
Is it sad=
 people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.=C2=A0 But these we=
re all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as well.=C2=A0 I=
t doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest=
 of the population for something they can't see the details on. People =
see a "number of fatalities" statistic.=C2=A0 But they don't =
see the "aggravating factors for each person" facts. 
<=
br>My point is =
that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. Entire cities/sta=
tes/countries shutting down.=C2=A0 Livelihoods lost.=C2=A0 People losing jo=
bs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus packages (that =
further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed for good, jobs th=
at don't come back. All because populations of people that were vulnera=
ble to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called 'covid-19.' =
=C2=A0If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have been like =
any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is because I'm r=
ooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast majority. (ye=
s, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek episode.) 

Pop=
ulations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplies=
 as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the med=
ia. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people just=
 watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed they =
are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list are unequi=
vocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go talk to=
 the average person on the street if you want to see how mis-informed peopl=
e are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the speaker of the house =
is?" =C2=A0I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers (and if more=
 than 20 people even had an educated guess.) =C2=A0 

Even if it doesn't =
come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of educational opportunities =
(many college students may have to repeat classes or entire semesters, dela=
ying their graduations.) 

Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later,=
 how many people will completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothi=
ng burger? 

I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this =
is already enough of a bummer. 

To leave on a positive note, it is awesome t=
hat most families are going to get to spend a ton of time together.=C2=A0 I=
t's great that we get time to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is al=
so great that this is happening when we are entering spring and the weather=
 is breaking. 

Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked =
to as I don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.=C2=
=A0 This list has been a great resource for me for decades, and I respect e=
ach and ever one of you opinions and advice. 

Now, I'm going back to loo=
k in the sofa cushions to see if I missed something. =C2=A08>)

&q=
uot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationa=
l being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ral=
ph Waldo Emerson 
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To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related
From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk 
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Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.

Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?

So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out glue
traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any in
months.

But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell.
Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was
under a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable.
Then, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.

There are mice in the vents.

Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the
kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught
anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing
there either.

When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or
metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't
think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the
noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are
eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still there.
They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can
mice do that? That's disconcerting.

I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and
snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down
at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece
of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps in,
I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts
themselves.

The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the
drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for
advice.

The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC
tube. And poison.

I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about
collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about
being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.

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Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.<=
div>
Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?

So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and th=
e house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught=C2=A0maybe five or six.=
=C2=A0 Haven't caught any in months.

But a few=
 days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. Sort of=
 sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was und=
er a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Th=
en, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.

There are mice in the vents.

Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

<=
/div>
Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

<=
/div>
Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house=
. Most in the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven&#=
39;t caught anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the register=
s, nothing there either.

When I initially saw mice=
 I put all the food in the pantry in glass or metal containers and I don=
9;t see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't think they're ea=
ting any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the noise I wouldn=
't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are eating, bu=
t I assume they're not starving because they're still there. They&#=
39;re not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. C=
an mice do that? That's disconcerting.

I pulle=
d off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and snap tr=
aps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking d=
own at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a p=
iece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps i=
n, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the du=
cts themselves.

The ducts are all behind finished =
drywall. So before I just demolish the drywall and disassemble my HVAC syst=
em, I thought I'd ask you guys for advice.

The=
 garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tube. =
And poison.

I don't have pets or small childre=
n at home so I'm not worried about collateral damage and I'm so fil=
led with hatred that I'm not worried about being humane. I just want th=
ese little bastards gone.


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Glue traps - the mice will gnaw off their own leg(s) to escape, and =
possibly die in an inaccessible place. Besides, they're ffreakin cruel.=20=


Snap traps - only bait I've had success with is peanut butter, and it =
has never failed me. Enough that it will have a scent for a few days. =
However it will mold eventually and they seem to avoid that in my =
experience.

I had some in my attic and could not catch them for love or money =
putting traps in all the places they could possibly get in. They were =
living under the 18" of blown in insulation and I tried placing a board =
with an array of traps on top of the insulation. Then one day I added a =
good fresh wad of PB and bangbangbanbbang got 'em all, did another =
round, haven't heard any since.=20

I use the ones with the fake cheese platform, it holds more peanut =
butter than the metal one. If you do put them down the vents make sure =
it won't slide out of reach when it trips.=20

jim

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk =
 wrote:
>=20
> Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.
>=20
> Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?
>=20
> So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out =
glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any =
in months.
>=20
> But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the =
smell. Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any =
droppings. I was under a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell =
was very noticeable. Then, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. =
Scurrying in the vents.
>=20
> There are mice in the vents.
>=20
> Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.
>=20
> Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.
>=20
> Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in =
the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught =
anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, =
nothing there either.
>=20
> When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or =
metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I =
don't think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell =
and the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what =
they are eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still =
there. They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like =
they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.
>=20
> I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, =
and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking =
down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to =
a piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get =
traps in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning =
the ducts themselves.
>=20
> The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish =
the drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys =
for advice.
>=20
> The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type =
PVC tube. And poison.
>=20
> I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about =
collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried =
about being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.
> _______________________________________________
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> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
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To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related
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You can attach a wire to the trap and slide it down the vents.  Attach the
other end to a nail or hook so you can pull it back out.

Randy


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:03 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Glue traps - the mice will gnaw off their own leg(s) to escape, and
> possibly die in an inaccessible place. Besides, they're ffreakin cruel.
>
> Snap traps - only bait I've had success with is peanut butter, and it has
> never failed me. Enough that it will have a scent for a few days. However
> it will mold eventually and they seem to avoid that in my experience.
>
> I had some in my attic and could not catch them for love or money putting
> traps in all the places they could possibly get in. They were living under
> the 18" of blown in insulation and I tried placing a board with an array of
> traps on top of the insulation. Then one day I added a good fresh wad of PB
> and bangbangbanbbang got 'em all, did another round, haven't heard any
> since.
>
> I use the ones with the fake cheese platform, it holds more peanut butter
> than the metal one. If you do put them down the vents make sure it won't
> slide out of reach when it trips.
>
> jim
>
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.
> >
> > Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?
> >
> > So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out
> glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any in
> months.
> >
> > But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell.
> Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was
> under a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable.
> Then, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.
> >
> > There are mice in the vents.
> >
> > Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.
> >
> > Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.
> >
> > Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in
> the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught
> anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing
> there either.
> >
> > When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or
> metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't
> think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the
> noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are
> eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still there.
> They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can
> mice do that? That's disconcerting.
> >
> > I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there,
> and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking
> down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a
> piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps
> in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts
> themselves.
> >
> > The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the
> drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for
> advice.
> >
> > The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC
> tube. And poison.
> >
> > I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about
> collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about
> being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.
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You can attach a wire to the trap and slide it down the ve=
nts.=C2=A0 Attach the other end to a nail or hook so you can pull it back o=
ut.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Randy


On Fri, Mar 20=
, 2020 at 6:03 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Glue traps - the mice will gnaw o=
ff their own leg(s) to escape, and possibly die in an inaccessible place. B=
esides, they're ffreakin cruel. 



Snap traps - only bait I've had success with is peanut butter, and it h=
as never failed me. Enough that it will have a scent for a few days. Howeve=
r it will mold eventually and they seem to avoid that in my experience.



I had some in my attic and could not catch them for love or money putting t=
raps in all the places they could possibly get in. They were living under t=
he 18" of blown in insulation and I tried placing a board with an arra=
y of traps on top of the insulation. Then one day I added a good fresh wad =
of PB and bangbangbanbbang got 'em all, did another round, haven't =
heard any since. 



I use the ones with the fake cheese platform, it holds more peanut butter t=
han the metal one. If you do put them down the vents make sure it won't=
 slide out of reach when it trips. 



jim



> On Mar 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net<=
/a>> wrote:

> 

> Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.

> 

> Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?

> 

> So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out =
glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.=C2=A0 Haven't caug=
ht any in months.

> 

> But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the =
smell. Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppi=
ngs. I was under a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very =
noticeable. Then, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying i=
n the vents.

> 

> There are mice in the vents.

> 

> Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

> 

> Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

> 

> Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Mos=
t in the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't =
caught anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, no=
thing there either.

> 

> When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or=
 metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I =
don't think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for th=
e smell and the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no=
 idea what they are eating, but I assume they're not starving because t=
hey're still there. They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's=
 like they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.
> 

> I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there,=
 and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm ju=
st looking down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be att=
ached to a piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably=
 get traps in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cle=
aning the ducts themselves.

> 

> The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish t=
he drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys f=
or advice.

> 

> The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PV=
C tube. And poison.

> 

> I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried=
 about collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not=
 worried about being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.

> _______________________________________________

> 

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k@autox.team.net

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I agree with not using the glue traps. Same for poisons - not only do 
you lose control of where the target animal dies, you lose control of 
where the poison goes - which can be into an innocent raptor or 
scavenger (who is otherwise very helpful.)

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On 2020-03-20 6:58 p.m., Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
> Glue traps - the mice will gnaw off their own leg(s) to escape, and possibly die in an inaccessible place. Besides, they're ffreakin cruel.
> 
> Snap traps - only bait I've had success with is peanut butter, and it has never failed me. Enough that it will have a scent for a few days. However it will mold eventually and they seem to avoid that in my experience.
> 
> I had some in my attic and could not catch them for love or money putting traps in all the places they could possibly get in. They were living under the 18" of blown in insulation and I tried placing a board with an array of traps on top of the insulation. Then one day I added a good fresh wad of PB and bangbangbanbbang got 'em all, did another round, haven't heard any since.
> 
> I use the ones with the fake cheese platform, it holds more peanut butter than the metal one. If you do put them down the vents make sure it won't slide out of reach when it trips.
> 
> jim


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I'm dealing with a similar problem.  Had an actu=
al rat in my air duct in my brand new system.  Saw it through the regi=
ster.  Put traps with peanut butter in the ducts.  Attached a len=
gth of electrical wire that came out and was secured between the register a=
nd the wall.  Only problem is that the heat is on and the peanut butte=
r dried out right away.  I put a bunch of baits under the house and in=
 the attic near where I found droppings.  Thought they were gone, but =
heard them in the wall again.

Make sure you block =
any openings where they might be getting in from outside.  I put new s=
creen on my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until the new furnace=
 install.  Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after the ins=
tall.  Blocked it and still at war with the rats.

=

Brian

-----Original Message-----

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk 

Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM

To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 

Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related



Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I=
 guess.

Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually=
 be?

So I noticed some mouse activity in the garag=
e and the house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five =
or six.  Haven't caught any in months.

But a =
few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. Sort of =
sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was under a =
heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Then, l=
ast night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.
<=
div>
There are mice in the vents.

Op=
tion 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

=

Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

=

Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in=
 the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught a=
nything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing th=
ere either.

When I initially saw mice I put all th=
e food in the pantry in glass or metal containers and I don't see any evide=
nce in the pantry either. I don't think they're eating any of my food. If i=
t weren't for the smell and the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I=
 have no idea what they are eating, but I assume they're not starving becau=
se they're still there. They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like th=
ey've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.

I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down ther=
e, and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking=
 down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a=
 piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps=
 in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the duct=
s themselves.

The ducts are all behind finished dr=
ywall. So before I just demolish the drywall and disassemble my HVAC system=
, I thought I'd ask you guys for advice.

The garag=
e I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tube. And po=
ison.

I don't have pets or small children at home =
so I'm not worried about collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred th=
at I'm not worried about being humane. I just want these little bastards go=
ne.




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Another place to check for rodent entry is drain pipes. I found that rats we=
re entering a rental unit of mine through the drain pipe where there was no w=
ashing machine installed.=20

Big snap traps with PB did them in, and I put a wad of copper wool in the pi=
pe.

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes

=E2=80=9CI never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion=
, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=9D - Thomas=
 Jefferson

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Brian Kemp via Shop-talk  wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I'm dealing with a similar problem.  Had an actual rat in my air duct in m=
y brand new system.  Saw it through the register.  Put traps with peanut but=
ter in the ducts.  Attached a length of electrical wire that came out and wa=
s secured between the register and the wall.  Only problem is that the heat i=
s on and the peanut butter dried out right away.  I put a bunch of baits und=
er the house and in the attic near where I found droppings.  Thought they we=
re gone, but heard them in the wall again.
>=20
> Make sure you block any openings where they might be getting in from outsi=
de.  I put new screen on my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until t=
he new furnace install.  Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after=
 the install.  Blocked it and still at war with the rats.
>=20
> Brian
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk=20
> Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM=20
> To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net"=20
> Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related=20
>=20
> Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.
>=20
> Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?
>=20
> So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out glue=
 traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any in mont=
hs.
>=20
> But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. S=
ort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was un=
der a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Th=
en, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.
>=20
> There are mice in the vents.
>=20
> Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.
>=20
> Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.
>=20
> Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the=
 kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught anythi=
ng in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing there ei=
ther.
>=20
> When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or met=
al containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't thi=
nk they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the noise I=
 wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are eating, but I=
 assume they're not starving because they're still there. They're not touchi=
ng ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's d=
isconcerting.
>=20
> I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and=
 snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down a=
t the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece o=
f 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps in, I'm n=
ot sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts themselve=
s.
>=20
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rywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for advice=
.
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> The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tu=
be. And poison.
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> I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about colla=
teral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about being h=
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Another place to check for rodent entry is d=
rain pipes. I found that rats were entering a rental unit of mine through th=
e drain pipe where there was no washing machine installed. 

Big snap traps with PB did them in, and I put a wad of copper wool i=
n the pipe.

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes
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n, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=9D - Thoma=
s Jefferson

On Ma=
r 20, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I'm dealing with a similar problem.  Had an a=
ctual rat in my air duct in my brand new system.  Saw it through the re=
gister.  Put traps with peanut butter in the ducts.  Attached a le=
ngth of electrical wire that came out and was secured between the register a=
nd the wall.  Only problem is that the heat is on and the peanut butter=
 dried out right away.  I put a bunch of baits under the house and in t=
he attic near where I found droppings.  Thought they were gone, but hea=
rd them in the wall again.

Make sure you block any o=
penings where they might be getting in from outside.  I put new screen o=
n my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until the new furnace install=
.  Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after the install.&nbs=
p; Blocked it and still at war with the rats.

Brian=


-----Original Message-----

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk 

Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM

To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 

Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related



Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I g=
uess.

Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be=
?

So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage an=
d the house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or si=
x.  Haven't caught any in months.

But a few da=
ys ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. Sort of sickly s=
weet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was under a heat regi=
ster when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Then, last night w=
hile I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.

There are mice in the vents.

Option 1) Burn t=
he house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

Option 2) g=
et them out of there, clean the vents.

Here's my di=
lemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the kitchen, pant=
ry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught anything in them for=
ever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing there either.

When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry i=
n glass or metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry eithe=
r. I don't think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell a=
nd the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they ar=
e eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still there. The=
y're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can mice do=
 that? That's disconcerting.

I pulled off the regis=
ters. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and snap traps if I'm reall=
y careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down at the sheetmetal of the d=
uct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece of 3-inch tubing to the ma=
in duct. So while I can probably get traps in, I'm not sure I could get them=
 out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts themselves.

<=
div>The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the=
 drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for advi=
ce.

The garage I can do the paint bucket with water=
 and a log-roll type PVC tube. And poison.

I don't h=
ave pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about collateral damag=
e and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about being humane. I j=
ust want these little bastards gone.



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The other reason not to use poison is that the rodents will go off and
die in some inaccessible spot and you get to smell their decaying
bodies for weeks.  Right up there with dead skunk.  Once I had a rat
die in space between studs where I could smell it, and reach it but
couldn't see it.  I had to reach in with double gloved hand and grope
around until I found it.  Not fun.
-Roland

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:36:38 -0400, you wrote:

>I agree with not using the glue traps. Same for poisons - not only do 
>you lose control of where the target animal dies, you lose control of 
>where the poison goes - which can be into an innocent raptor or 
>scavenger (who is otherwise very helpful.)
>
>Donald.

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The other reason not to use poison is that the rodents will go off and
die in some inaccessible spot and you get to smell their decaying
bodies for weeks.  Right up there with dead skunk.  Once I had a rat
die in space between studs where I could smell it, and reach it but
couldn't see it.  I had to reach in with double gloved hand and grope
around until I found it.  Not fun.
-Roland

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:36:38 -0400, you wrote:

>I agree with not using the glue traps. Same for poisons - not only do 
>you lose control of where the target animal dies, you lose control of 
>where the poison goes - which can be into an innocent raptor or 
>scavenger (who is otherwise very helpful.)
>
>Donald.

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I laughed when I read about the snake, but my
favorite rodent elimination method, the cat, seems
unlikely to go into the ducts in any useful way.  So
maybe the snake is a good idea - how would you lure
it back out of the ducts, though?

I will say that once we started keeping cats
again, we haven't had a rodent problem.

Shannah

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> Go to big pet store, buy snake large enough to eat mouse.  Turn loose in
> ducts.
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I will say that once we started k=
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again, we haven't had a rodent problem.=C2=A0 

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Oh jeez, just check out this guy's channel - he tries out all kinds of 
mousetraps....

https://www.youtube.com/user/historichunter

Good Luck,

rkg

(Richard George)

On 3/20/2020 3:48 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.
>
> Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?
>
> So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out 
> glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught 
> any in months.
>
> But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the 
> smell. Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any 
> droppings. I was under a heat register when it kicked on, and the 
> smell was very noticeable. Then, last night while I was in bed...I 
> heard them. Scurrying in the vents.
>
> There are mice in the vents.
>
> Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.
>
> Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.
>
> Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in 
> the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't 
> caught anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the 
> registers, nothing there either.
>
> When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or 
> metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I 
> don't think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell 
> and the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what 
> they are eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're 
> still there. They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like 
> they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.
>
> I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, 
> and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just 
> looking down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be 
> attached to a piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can 
> probably get traps in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say 
> nothing of cleaning the ducts themselves.
>
> The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish 
> the drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys 
> for advice.
>
> The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type 
> PVC tube. And poison.
>
> I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about 
> collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried 
> about being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.
>
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Oh jeez, just check out this guy's channel - he tries out all
      kinds of mousetraps....

      

      https://www.youtube.com/user/historichunter

    
Good Luck,

    
rkg

    
(Richard George)

    

    
On 3/20/2020 3:48 PM, Scott Hall via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

      
      
Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I
        guess.
        


        

        
Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?

        


        

        
So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the
          house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or
          six.  Haven't caught any in months.

        


        

        
But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think
          that's the smell. Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I
          didn't see any droppings. I was under a heat register when it
          kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Then, last night
          while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.

        


        

        
There are mice in the vents.

        


        

        
Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

        


        

        
Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

        


        

        
Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the
          house. Most in the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw
          them last. I haven't caught anything in them forever. And I
          put traps near all the registers, nothing there either.

        


        

        
When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry
          in glass or metal containers and I don't see any evidence in
          the pantry either. I don't think they're eating any of my
          food. If it weren't for the smell and the noise I wouldn't
          even know they're there. I have no idea what they are eating,
          but I assume they're not starving because they're still there.
          They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like
          they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.

        


        

        
I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps
          down there, and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not
          like I'm just looking down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the
          registers seem to be attached to a piece of 3-inch tubing to
          the main duct. So while I can probably get traps in, I'm not
          sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the
          ducts themselves.

        


        

        
The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just
          demolish the drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought
          I'd ask you guys for advice.

        


        

        
The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a
          log-roll type PVC tube. And poison.

        


        

        
I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not
          worried about collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred
          that I'm not worried about being humane. I just want these
          little bastards gone.

      

      

      

      
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Just got an email from HF with a coupon ... 27052229 ... good thru April 5th for the 2hp ultra-quiet compressor for $129.99.

If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.

Arvid

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> Just got an email from HF with a coupon ... 27052229 ... good thru April 5th for the 2hp ultra-quiet compressor for $129.99.
>
> If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.
>

You don't need the coupon, just the number on it.  Cashiers are
perfectly happy to type it in.
Most HF coupons appear at HFQPD.com eventually:
http://www.hfqpdb.com/best_coupon/FORTRESS+2+GALLON%2C+1.2+HP%2C+135+PSI+ULTRA-QUIET%2C+OIL-FREE+PROFESSIONAL+AIR+COMPRESSOR


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I have an app on my phone for their coupons.  It searches out all of the 
various sources (emails, mailings, their website, etc) and lists all 
current coupons.  You can select the ones you might want and put them in 
a folder, then just show them from your phone to the cashier and s/he 
scans them.  Good for when you are out and pass their store and realize 
there is something you need.  Both of the quiet compressors are in there 
as well as the larger and the smaller 'normal' ones.  In the android 
store it is called 'HF Coupons' - whoever thought that name up should 
get a big bonus.

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

On 3/25/2020 11:00 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:25 PM Arvid via Shop-talk
>   wrote:
>> Just got an email from HF with a coupon ... 27052229 ... good thru April 5th for the 2hp ultra-quiet compressor for $129.99.
>>
>> If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.
>>
> You don't need the coupon, just the number on it.  Cashiers are
> perfectly happy to type it in.
> Most HF coupons appear at HFQPD.com eventually:
> http://www.hfqpdb.com/best_coupon/FORTRESS+2+GALLON%2C+1.2+HP%2C+135+PSI+ULTRA-QUIET%2C+OIL-FREE+PROFESSIONAL+AIR+COMPRESSOR
>
>

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I have an app on my phone for their coupons.  It searches out all
      of the various sources (emails, mailings, their website, etc) and
      lists all current coupons.  You can select the ones you might want
      and put them in a folder, then just show them from your phone to
      the cashier and s/he scans them.  Good for when you are out and
      pass their store and realize there is something you need.  Both of
      the quiet compressors are in there as well as the larger and the
      smaller 'normal' ones.  In the android store it is called 'HF
      Coupons' - whoever thought that name up should get a big bonus.  

    

    
Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

    
On 3/25/2020 11:00 AM,
      shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote:

    

    

      
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:25 PM Arvid via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


      

        
Just got an email from HF with a coupon ... 27052229 ... good thru April 5th for the 2hp ultra-quiet compressor for $129.99.

If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.



      

      
You don't need the coupon, just the number on it.  Cashiers are
perfectly happy to type it in.
Most HF coupons appear at HFQPD.com eventually:
http://www.hfqpdb.com/best_coupon/FORTRESS+2+GALLON%2C+1.2+HP%2C+135+PSI+ULTRA-QUIET%2C+OIL-FREE+PROFESSIONAL+AIR+COMPRESSOR




    

  


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Hey guys,

Hope everyone is safe and healthy.

I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night.

Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.

I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want t=
o do for an outdated receiver, or I can try to feed the sound bar direct fr=
om the TV.

My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks.

Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new flat=
 screen that will hopefully be able to feed my speakers properly.

Thanks
stay healthy
tim

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Hey guys, 









Hope everyone is safe and healthy. 









I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night. 









Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing. 









I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want t=
o do for an outdated receiver, or
 I can try to feed the sound bar direct from the TV. 









My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks. 









Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new flat=
 screen that will hopefully be able
 to feed my speakers properly. 









Thanks



stay healthy



tim




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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure testing 1 1/2 inch PVC
From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk 
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DWV pipe is tested around 5 psi and hold for two hours.  Try that first.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:32 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m trying to check a buried 1 1/2 inch PVC pipe (pool) for a lea=
k. I plan
> on pressurizing it to see if a leak is exposed.   What=E2=80=99s a safe p=
ressure
> that won=E2=80=99t blow apart fittings?
>
> Bob Nogueira
>
> Bob Nogueira
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DWV pipe is tested around 5 psi and hold for two hours.=C2=
=A0 Try that first.

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m.net> wrote:
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leak. I plan on pressurizing it to see if a leak is exposed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Wh=
at=E2=80=99s a safe pressure that won=E2=80=99t blow apart fittings?



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:42:07 -0500
To: "Tim ." 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sound bars, older flat screens,
 not that big of an audiophile and OT
From: John Innis via Shop-talk 
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If your soundbar has speaker-wire type inputs, you probably can't feed it
directly from the TV.  It will need some sort of amplifier to bring the
line level output from the TV (RCA jacks) up to speaker level.  You could
get a new receiver, they go pretty cheap on WOOT and monoprice.  Or you
could get a new soundbar with a line level input ( I have seen some good
deals at Sams club on these).

John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Hope everyone is safe and healthy.
>
> I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought
> the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three
> or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the power
> filter every night.
>
> Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent
> (I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the
> audio is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.
>
> I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed
> from my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote
> for it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want
> to do for an outdated receiver, or I can try to feed the sound bar direct
> from the TV.
>
> My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the
> TV is RCA jacks.
>
> Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the
> female end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an
> adapter? I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a
> new flat screen that will hopefully be able to feed my speakers properly.
>
> Thanks
> stay healthy
> tim
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If your soundbar has speaker-wire type inputs, you pr=
obably can't feed it directly from the TV.=C2=A0 It will need some sort=
 of amplifier to bring the line level output from the TV (RCA jacks) up to =
speaker level.=C2=A0 You could get a new receiver, they go pretty cheap on =
WOOT and monoprice.=C2=A0 Or you could get a new soundbar with a line level=
 input ( I have seen some good deals at Sams club on these).

=

John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-tal=
k <shop-talk@autox.team.net<=
/a>> wrote:









Hey guys,=C2=A0









Hope everyone is safe and healthy.=C2=A0









I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night.=C2=A0









Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.=C2=A0









I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't wa=
nt to do for an outdated receiver, or
 I can try to feed the sound bar direct from the TV.=C2=A0









My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks.=C2=A0









Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new =
flat screen that will hopefully be able
 to feed my speakers properly.=C2=A0









Thanks



stay healthy



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:46:19 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sound bars, older flat screens,
 not that big of an audiophile and OT
From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk 
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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What about something like this?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/597466-REG/Pyle_Pro_PCA2_PCA2_Mini_2_x.html


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:42 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> If your soundbar has speaker-wire type inputs, you probably can't feed it
> directly from the TV.  It will need some sort of amplifier to bring the
> line level output from the TV (RCA jacks) up to speaker level.  You could
> get a new receiver, they go pretty cheap on WOOT and monoprice.  Or you
> could get a new soundbar with a line level input ( I have seen some good
> deals at Sams club on these).
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Hope everyone is safe and healthy.
>>
>> I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend
>> bought the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his
>> died three or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn
>> off the power filter every night.
>>
>> Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent
>> (I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the
>> audio is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.
>>
>> I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed
>> from my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote
>> for it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want
>> to do for an outdated receiver, or I can try to feed the sound bar direct
>> from the TV.
>>
>> My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the
>> TV is RCA jacks.
>>
>> Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the
>> female end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an
>> adapter? I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a
>> new flat screen that will hopefully be able to feed my speakers properly.
>>
>> Thanks
>> stay healthy
>> tim
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
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>>
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>>
>>
>
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:42 =
PM John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
If your soundbar has speaker=
-wire type inputs, you probably can't feed it directly from the TV.=C2=
=A0 It will need some sort of amplifier to bring the line level output from=
 the TV (RCA jacks) up to speaker level.=C2=A0 You could get a new receiver=
, they go pretty cheap on WOOT and monoprice.=C2=A0 Or you could get a new =
soundbar with a line level input ( I have seen some good deals at Sams club=
 on these).

John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at =
5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:









Hey guys,=C2=A0









Hope everyone is safe and healthy.=C2=A0









I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night.=C2=A0









Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.=C2=A0









I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't wa=
nt to do for an outdated receiver, or
 I can try to feed the sound bar direct from the TV.=C2=A0









My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks.=C2=A0









Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new =
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:46:49 -0500
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sound bars, older flat screens,
 not that big of an audiophile and OT
From: Ronnie Day via Shop-talk 
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What model number is the TV? Our first couple of flat screens years were
Aquos. I don't remember them having speaker level outputs, just line level.
You can't/shouldn't try to drive a line level input with a speaker level
signal. You can use a small two or three piece powered speaker system
designed primarily for computer use. The inputs to those are usually 3.5 mm
stereo plugs so you'd need an adapter if the audio outs on the TV are RCA
as I expect they are. ll sorts of choices and prices floating around that
should work for you now and later.

RD

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> What about something like this?
>
>
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/597466-REG/Pyle_Pro_PCA2_PCA2_Mini_2_x.html
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:42 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> If your soundbar has speaker-wire type inputs, you probably can't feed it
>> directly from the TV.  It will need some sort of amplifier to bring the
>> line level output from the TV (RCA jacks) up to speaker level.  You could
>> get a new receiver, they go pretty cheap on WOOT and monoprice.  Or you
>> could get a new soundbar with a line level input ( I have seen some good
>> deals at Sams club on these).
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <
>> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Hope everyone is safe and healthy.
>>>
>>> I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend
>>> bought the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his
>>> died three or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn
>>> off the power filter every night.
>>>
>>> Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still
>>> decent (I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens),
>>> the audio is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.
>>>
>>> I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can
>>> feed from my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the
>>> remote for it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I
>>> don't want to do for an outdated receiver, or I can try to feed the sound
>>> bar direct from the TV.
>>>
>>> My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the
>>> TV is RCA jacks.
>>>
>>> Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the
>>> female end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an
>>> adapter? I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a
>>> new flat screen that will hopefully be able to feed my speakers properly.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> stay healthy
>>> tim
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What model number is the TV? Our first couple of flat scre=
ens years were Aquos. I don't remember=C2=A0them having speaker level o=
utputs, just line level. You can't/shouldn't try to drive a line le=
vel input with a speaker level signal. You can use a small two or three pie=
ce powered speaker system designed primarily for computer use. The inputs t=
o those are usually=C2=A03.5 mm stereo plugs so you'd need an adapter i=
f the audio outs on the TV are RCA as I expect they are. ll sorts of choice=
s and prices floating around that should work for you now and later.
RD

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Jeff Scarbrough via Sh=
op-talk <shop-talk@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
What about something like this?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/=
597466-REG/Pyle_Pro_PCA2_PCA2_Mini_2_x.html=C2=A0=C2=A0
=

On Thu=
, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:42 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
If your soundbar has speaker-wire type inputs, you probably c=
an't feed it directly from the TV.=C2=A0 It will need some sort of ampl=
ifier to bring the line level output from the TV (RCA jacks) up to speaker =
level.=C2=A0 You could get a new receiver, they go pretty cheap on WOOT and=
 monoprice.=C2=A0 Or you could get a new soundbar with a line level input (=
 I have seen some good deals at Sams club on these).

John

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:14 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox=
.team.net> wrote:









Hey guys,=C2=A0









Hope everyone is safe and healthy.=C2=A0









I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night.=C2=A0









Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.=C2=A0









I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't wa=
nt to do for an outdated receiver, or
 I can try to feed the sound bar direct from the TV.=C2=A0









My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks.=C2=A0









Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new =
flat screen that will hopefully be able
 to feed my speakers properly.=C2=A0









Thanks



stay healthy



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Thanks guys.

________________________________
From: Shop-talk  on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:13 PM
To: Shop Talk 
Subject: [Shop-talk] sound bars, older flat screens, not that big of an aud=
iophile and OT

Hey guys,

Hope everyone is safe and healthy.

I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night.

Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing.

I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want t=
o do for an outdated receiver, or I can try to feed the sound bar direct fr=
om the TV.

My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks.

Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
 I am looking for cheap-ish since at some point I'll have to buy a new flat=
 screen that will hopefully be able to feed my speakers properly.

Thanks
stay healthy
tim

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Thanks guys. 














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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:13 PM

To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Subject: [Shop-talk] sound bars, older flat screens, not that big of=
 an audiophile and OT

 







Hey guys, 









Hope everyone is safe and healthy. 









I have a Sharp Aquos flat screen that is on borrowed time. A friend bought =
the same exact size and model about the same time we did and his died three=
 or so years ago. I assume mine is still alive because we turn off the powe=
r filter every night. 









Anyway, while the flat screen still works and the picture is still decent (=
I just try VERY HARD to not compare it to the modern flat screens), the aud=
io is getting bad about a quick as my hearing. 









I have a Bose speaker system, 301s, 701s and a sound bar, that I can feed f=
rom my stereo. But, the stereo really needs to be replaced and the remote f=
or it is dead. So, I can either buy a universal remote which I don't want t=
o do for an outdated receiver, or
 I can try to feed the sound bar direct from the TV. 









My issue is, the sound bar is proper wires into pinch connectors and the TV=
 is RCA jacks. 









Am I over thinking this or can I simply take and RCA cable and cut the fema=
le end off and put the wires into my sound bar? Or should I but an adapter?=
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 screen that will hopefully be able
 to feed my speakers properly. 









Thanks



stay healthy



tim








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My house settled after a major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles have =
popped up along a line. But only one side of them. If I try and pry them =
up it's clear they're on a slight hump and only one side of the hump let =
go. They only move enough to keep cracking the grout and make a hollow =
sound if I tap on them- maybe 1/16 of an inch.=20

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that will stabilize the tiles? I'd rather not go through doing it the =
right way of lifting the whole tile and laying it as a new one.=20

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Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one 
will take the cake.

I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large 
shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the 
area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the 
garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.

So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop 
environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity 
will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe 
is.)

Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I 
will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I 
need to think about?

Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite 
polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock. 
(Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do 
have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)

I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to 
consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.

Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car 
and heavy equipment work, etc. 

Thanks in advance.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?

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Ok, I know I've asked
some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.



I live out in
the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door
open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area,
I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage
to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."

Actually, I had
a run-in the other night that made me think about this.



So my question
is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what
factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a
huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)



Is there anything
I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to
think about?



Also, I'm open
to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer
hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
 (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.
 I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)



I don't want this
to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for
leaving a pistol in a shop.



Note, in my shop
I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment
work, etc.  



Thanks in advance.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.
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Good questions.=20

I have a .38 pistol in my shop office file cabinet in a zip lock bag. I pull=
ed it out the other day & it wasn=E2=80=99t so great. I cleaned it & put som=
e desiccate packs in the bag with it. Can=E2=80=99t say if this will help ye=
t. I had ammunition stored in the same bag & wonder if this is a bad idea.=20=


Before anyone says that it isn=E2=80=99t safe enough to just have it hidden,=
 I live alone & have very few visitors. A lock or safe is on my to get list.=
 =20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


> On Mar 29, 2020, at 12:58 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk  wrote:
>=20

=EF=BB=BFOk, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this=
 one will take the cake.=20

I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large s=
hop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the ar=
ea, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garag=
e to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."=20
Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.=20

So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop envi=
ronment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will pl=
ay a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)=20

Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I w=
ill most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need=
 to think about?=20

Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite p=
olymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.  (Note, I=
 don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do have and l=
ove my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)=20

I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to cons=
ider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.=20

Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and h=
eavy equipment work, etc.  =20

Thanks in advance.=20


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be=
ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E=
merson=20
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Good questions. 

I h=
ave a .38 pistol in my shop office file cabinet in a zip lock bag. I pulled i=
t out the other day & it wasn=E2=80=99t so great. I cleaned it & put=
 some desiccate packs in the bag with it. Can=E2=80=99t say if this will hel=
p yet. I had ammunition stored in the same bag & wonder if this is a bad=
 idea. 

Before anyone says that it isn=E2=80=99=
t safe enough to just have it hidden, I live alone & have very few visit=
ors. A lock or safe is on my to get list.  

Pe=
ace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Ha=
bitat for Humanity


On Mar 29, 2020, at 12:58 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop=
-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=EF=
=BB=BFOk, I know I've=
 asked
some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.=




I live out in
the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door
open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area,
I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage
to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."

Actually, I had
a run-in the other night that made me think about this.



So my question
is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what
factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a
huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)



Is there anything=

I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to
think about?



Also, I'm open
to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer
hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
 (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.
 I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.=
)



I don't want this=

to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for
leaving a pistol in a shop.



Note, in my shop
I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment
work, etc.  



Thanks in advance.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?
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A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag...

I had bad experience with this in the past.  Not to mention that it really 
slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.

I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something.  I will put 
desiccate packs in the safe for sure.

Thanks again and keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something 
important.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?


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A couple people already
mentioned the plastic bag...



I had bad experience
with this in the past.  Not to mention that it really slows the response
time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.



I may put the
safe under a plastic sheet or something.  I will put desiccate
packs in the
safe for sure.



Thanks again and
keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something important.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:33:03 -0500
To: Shop-Talk List 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.
From: Ronnie Day via Shop-talk 
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I think a plastic bag is a bad idea. You need reasonable circulation, not
an airtight bag. Haven't owned firearms in years, but my dad was a
collector, hunter, reloader. There was air circulation in his gun safe.
Hand guns were in individual cases/pouches wrapped in oil cloth. Not soaked
in oil, just very light amounts.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:13 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag...
>
> I had bad experience with this in the past.  Not to mention that it really
> slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.
>
> I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something.  I will put desiccate
> packs in the safe for sure.
>
> Thanks again and keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something
> important.
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
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I think a plastic bag is a bad idea. You need reasonable c=
irculation, not an airtight bag. Haven't owned firearms in years, but m=
y dad was a collector, hunter, reloader. There was air circulation in his g=
un safe. Hand guns were in individual cases/pouches wrapped in oil cloth. N=
ot soaked in oil, just very light amounts.=C2=A0

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:1=
3 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <=
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
A couple people already
mentioned the plastic bag...



I had bad experie=
nce
with this in the past.=C2=A0 Not to mention that it really slows the respon=
se
time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.



I may put the
safe under a plastic sheet or something.=C2=A0 I will put desiccate
packs in the
safe for sure.



Thanks again and
keep the ideas coming!=C2=A0 I'd hate to miss something important.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?


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A low wattage (15W is sufficient, IIRC) incandescent light bulb stored =

with a tool can effectively keep humidity at bay. As long as the tool is =

warmer than the exterior, humidity will not condense on it.

Donald.

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On 2020-03-29 2:13 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag...
> =

> I had bad experience with this in the past. =A0Not to mention that it =

> really slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.
> =

> I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something. =A0I will put =

> desiccate packs in the safe for sure.
> =

> Thanks again and keep the ideas coming! =A0I'd hate to miss something =

> important.
> =

> =

> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =

> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =

> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
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I got a rechargeable desiccant container in my gun safe (recommended by =

a gunsmith).=A0 It's colored, so when the blue turns pink you plug it into =

a wall socket for a few hours and it's good to go.

Bob

On 3/29/2020 11:34 AM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk wrote:
> A low wattage (15W is sufficient, IIRC) incandescent light bulb stored =

> with a tool can effectively keep humidity at bay. As long as the tool =

> is warmer than the exterior, humidity will not condense on it.
>
> Donald.
>
> *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue
> () no proprietary attachments; no html mail
> /\ 
>
> On 2020-03-29 2:13 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>> A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag...
>>
>> I had bad experience with this in the past. =A0Not to mention that it =

>> really slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic =

>> bag.
>>
>> I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something. =A0I will put =

>> desiccate packs in the safe for sure.
>>
>> Thanks again and keep the ideas coming! =A0I'd hate to miss something =

>> important.
>>
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =

>> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =

>> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>

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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk  wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'
>=20
>> On 3/29/2020 2:08 PM, Mike Rambour via Shop-talk wrote:
>> Any gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a stainless som=
ething and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun maybe a little more often=
.   Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not much of a differenc=
e when it comes to rust control.  You still have to wipe the slide every so o=
ften.
>>=20
>>  Personally I would get a =E2=80=9Cgolden rod=E2=80=9D put that In your s=
afe and be done with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then jus=
t get some desiccant
>>=20
>>   Mike
>>=20
>> Sent via rubber ducky
>>=20
>>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Mark Miller via Shop-talk  wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFThank you for specifically not making this a second amendment i=
ssue.  Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, food and water r=
equirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the safe along with the p=
istol.
>>>=20
>>> I think you would be well served by adding desiccants https://www.amazon=
.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E
>>> and anti-rust pads: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00150H0FW/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_=
r_mt_dp_U_yrqGEbKANGCF4.
>>> You might consider adding a few flash bang grenades in addition to the g=
un:
>>> https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/irons/2019/05/07/you-ar=
e-100-going-to-want-a-few-of-these-civilian-legal-flashbangs-when-theyre-bac=
k-in-stock/
>>>=20
>>> And plan to change out the ammo as you do batteries in a smoke detector.=

>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>>=20
>>> Mark Miller   707-490-5834
>>> markmiller@threeboysfarm.com
>>>=20
>>>=20
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On Mar 29, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bob Spidell via S=
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<=
blockquote type=3D"cite">
=EF=BB=BFOK, I give up; what=
's a 'golden rod?'

On 3/29/2020 2:08 PM, Mi=
ke Rambour via Shop-talk wrote:
An=
y gun should work in that environment.  I would look at a stainless som=
ething and wipe it down once a month.  A blued gun maybe a little more o=
ften.   Remember polymer guns still have metal slides so not much o=
f a difference when it comes to rust control.  You still have to wipe t=
he slide every so often.

  Personall=
y I would get a =E2=80=9Cgolden rod=E2=80=9D put that In your safe and be do=
ne with it.  If you are going with a desktop type safe then just get so=
me desiccant
<=
br>
   Mike
=


Sent via rubber ducky

=

On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Mark Miller via=
 Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
=

=EF=BB=BFThank you for specifically not making this a second ame=
ndment issue.  Then you would be dealing with air holes, sanitation, fo=
od and water requirements, etc. for the militia you would have in the safe a=
long with the pistol.

=

I think you would b=
e well served by adding desiccants https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TCGPZXK/ref=3D=
cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_ttqGEbE368Q6E
and anti-rust pads: https=
://www.amazon.com/dp/B00150H0FW/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_yrqGEbKANGCF4.
You might consider adding a few flash bang grenades in addition=
 to the gun:
<=
blockquote type=3D"cite">https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearsc=
out/irons/2019/05/07/you-are-100-going-to-want-a-few-of-these-civilian-legal=
-flashbangs-when-theyre-back-in-stock/
<=
blockquote type=3D"cite">

=
And plan to change out the ammo as you do batteries in a smoke detector.

=

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
<=
blockquote type=3D"cite">
markmiller@threeboy=
sfarm.com



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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:49 PM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <
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> OK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'


Growing up in Florida without air conditioning, my parents had something
like this in their walk-in closet to prevent mildew.  A fancy low-wattage
light bulb...

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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:49 PM Bob S=
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OK, I give up; what's a 'golden rod?'

Growing up in Florida without air conditioning, my=
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:38:11 -0500
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.
From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk 
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I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your person
in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to revolve
until the weapon is removed from the holster.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one
> will take the cake.
>
> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large
> shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the
> area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the
> garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.
>
> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop
> environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity
> will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe
> is.)
>
> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I
> will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I
> need to think about?
>
> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite
> polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
>  (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do
> have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)
>
> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to
> consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.
>
> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car
> and heavy equipment work, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
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I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, atta=
ched to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cyl=
inder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <=
;shop-talk@autox.team.net&g=
t; wrote:
Ok, I know I've asked
some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.



I live out in
the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door
open.=C2=A0 With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area,
I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage
to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."

Actually, I had
a run-in the other night that made me think about this.



So my question
is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what
factors should I consider?=C2=A0 I understand that humidity will play a
huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)



Is there anything
I'm missing that I should consider?=C2=A0 I understand that I will most
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to
think about?



Also, I'm ope=
n
to suggestions for a weapon type.=C2=A0 I thinking an XD-M elite polymer
hand gun.=C2=A0 With mostly composite parts.=C2=A0 Similar to a Glock.
=C2=A0(Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned on=
e.
=C2=A0I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of considera=
tion.)



I don't want =
this
to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.=C2=A0 Just a 'what to consider'=
; for
leaving a pistol in a shop.



Note, in my shop
I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment
work, etc. =C2=A0



Thanks in advance.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

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>

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Have you addressed the underlying cause of the movement? Were 
load-bearing structures compromised or weight limits exceeded by the 
remodel?

On 2020-03-29 13:40, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
> My house settled after a major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles have popped up along a line. But only one side of them. If I try and pry them up it's clear they're on a slight hump and only one side of the hump let go. They only move enough to keep cracking the grout and make a hollow sound if I tap on them- maybe 1/16 of an inch.
>
> Is there a product that will get in there through the grout channels that will stabilize the tiles? I'd rather not go through doing it the right way of lifting the whole tile and laying it as a new one.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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My house settled after a major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles have popped up along a line. But only one side of them. If I try and pry them up it's clear they're on a slight hump and only one side of the hump let go. They only move enough to keep cracking the grout and make a hollow sound if I tap on them- maybe 1/16 of an inch. 

Is there a product that will get in there through the grout channels that will stabilize the tiles? I'd rather not go through doing it the right way of lifting the whole tile and laying it as a new one. 

thanks,
jim

      

      

      
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I know little about guns, but if push came to shove could you not fire whil=
e it's in the bag still=2E Maybe not the ideal surface to grip, but I assum=
e the bullet would find its way out

On 29 March 2020 19:13:39 BST, eric--- via Shop-talk  wrote:
>A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag=2E=2E=2E
>
>I had bad experience with this in the past=2E  Not to mention that it
>really=20
>slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag=2E
>
>I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something=2E  I will put=20
>desiccate packs in the safe for sure=2E
>
>Thanks again and keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something=20
>important=2E
>
>
>"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
>rational=20
>being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory=2E" Ralph=
=20
>Waldo Emerson=20
>-Who is John Galt?

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I know little about guns, but if push came to shov=
e could you not fire while it's in the bag still=2E Maybe not the ideal sur=
face to grip, but I assume the bullet would find its way out

On 29 March 2020 19:13:39 BST, eric--- via Shop-talk &l=
t;shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> wrote:

A couple people alr=
eady
mentioned the plastic bag=2E=2E=2E



I had bad exper=
ience
with this in the past=2E  Not to mention that it really slows the res=
ponse
time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag=2E



I may put the
safe under a plastic sheet or something=2E  I will put desiccate
packs in the
safe for sure=2E



Thanks again an=
d
keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something important=2E





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No, there was so much that happened at once, it's impossible to tell. =
It's definitely not a load issue though; the house is a simple =
split-entry rectangle with the 1st floor on slab and the 2nd floor =
joists running between the long foundation walls and a central girder. =
And I don't remember when the tile went in compared to the work below. =
But the bathroom also has some loose tiles so I think it's a mortar or =
adhesion issue more than too much movement in the house. The tiles are =
cheap ones from Lowe's, maybe $2 each, so mabybe the underside had =
adhesion issues? I did backbutter them.=20

jim

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk =
 wrote:
>=20
> Have you addressed the underlying cause of the movement?  Were =
load-bearing structures compromised or weight limits exceeded by the =
remodel?
>=20
> On 2020-03-29 13:40, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
>> My house settled after a major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles =
have popped up along a line. But only one side of them. If I try and pry =
them up it's clear they're on a slight hump and only one side of the =
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No, =
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definitely not a load issue though; the house is a simple split-entry =
rectangle with the 1st floor on slab and the 2nd floor joists running =
between the long foundation walls and a central girder. And I don't =
remember when the tile went in compared to the work below. But the =
bathroom also has some loose tiles so I think it's a mortar or adhesion =
issue more than too much movement in the house. The tiles are cheap ones =
from Lowe's, maybe $2 each, so mabybe the underside had adhesion issues? =
I did backbutter them. 

jim

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Mayfield via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


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Have you addressed the underlying =
cause
      of the movement?  Were load-bearing structures compromised or
      weight limits exceeded by the remodel?

    

    


    

    
On 2020-03-29 13:40, Jim Franklin via
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My house settled after a =
major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles have popped up along a line. =
But only one side of them. If I try and pry them up it's clear they're =
on a slight hump and only one side of the hump let go. They only move =
enough to keep cracking the grout and make a hollow sound if I tap on =
them- maybe 1/16 of an inch.=20

Is there a product that will get in there through the grout channels =
that will stabilize the tiles? I'd rather not go through doing it the =
right way of lifting the whole tile and laying it as a new one.=20

thanks,
jim

      

      

      
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Had they adequately adhered, they would likely have broken. Ceramic =

tiles really don't bend. I've never tried to inject mortar beneath an =

existing tile; if the bond is weak enough, you should be able to pop the =

tile loose, clean up the mortar, and reset the tile. That would be the =

only way I'd try to fix it. (If you get some mortar beneath an edge, the =

unsupported portion of the tile will eventually take a bit of a load and =

crack there.)

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On 2020-03-30 7:23 a.m., Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
> No, there was so much that happened at once, it's impossible to tell. =

> It's definitely not a load issue though; the house is a simple =

> split-entry rectangle with the 1st floor on slab and the 2nd floor =

> joists running between the long foundation walls and a central girder. =

> And I don't remember when the tile went in compared to the work below. =

> But the bathroom also has some loose tiles so I think it's a mortar or =

> adhesion issue more than too much movement in the house. The tiles are =

> cheap ones from Lowe's, maybe $2 each, so mabybe the underside had =

> adhesion issues? I did backbutter them.
> =

> jim
> =

>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk =

>>
>> Have you addressed the underlying cause of the movement?=A0 Were =

>> load-bearing structures compromised or weight limits exceeded by the =

>> remodel?
>>
>> On 2020-03-29 13:40, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
>>> My house settled after a major remodel and some 12x24 ceramic tiles hav=
e popped up along a line. But only one side of them. If I try and pry them =
up it's clear they're on a slight hump and only one side of the hump let go=
. They only move enough to keep cracking the grout and make a hollow sound =
if I tap on them- maybe 1/16 of an inch.
>>>
>>> Is there a product that will get in there through the grout channels th=
at will stabilize the tiles? I'd rather not go through doing it the right w=
ay of lifting the whole tile and laying it as a new one.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
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OK, this one I MEAN to go to the list.

I few have written back about holstering a weapon.  My question then is, 
does anyone here do that?  I can't even work on stuff if I have anything 
in my pockets, I couldn't image safely maneuvering around, under, through 
tight places in cars, etc with a piece of iron strapped to my side.

Not to mention how beat up it would get (I get REALLY banged up daily, not 
sure I would want to put a piece through that regularly.)

Thanks again for all the suggestions,  It's really helping me plan this 
properly.


"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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OK, this one I MEAN to go to the list.



I few have written back about holstering
a weapon.  My question then is, does anyone here do that?  I
can't even work on stuff if I have anything in my pockets, I couldn't image
safely maneuvering around, under, through tight places in cars, etc with
a piece of iron strapped to my side.



Not to mention how beat up it would
get (I get REALLY banged up daily, not sure I would want to put a piece
through that regularly.)



Thanks again for all the suggestions,
 It's really helping me plan this properly.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
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One thought that I just had. Firearms, just like anything else mechanical,
require, regular routine inspection and maintenance if we expect them to
function when needed. Seems an obvious point, but I find it interesting
that none of us have mentioned this in this thread.

RD

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:20 AM neiljsherry--- via Shop-talk <
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> I know little about guns, but if push came to shove could you not fire
> while it's in the bag still. Maybe not the ideal surface to grip, but I
> assume the bullet would find its way out
>
> On 29 March 2020 19:13:39 BST, eric--- via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> A couple people already mentioned the plastic bag...
>>
>> I had bad experience with this in the past.  Not to mention that it
>> really slows the response time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.
>>
>> I may put the safe under a plastic sheet or something.  I will put desiccate
>> packs in the safe for sure.
>>
>> Thanks again and keep the ideas coming!  I'd hate to miss something
>> important.
>>
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
>> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
>> Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>>
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One thought that I just had. Firearms, just like anything =
else mechanical, require, regular routine inspection and maintenance if we =
expect them to function when needed. Seems an obvious point, but I find it =
interesting that none of us have mentioned this in this thread.

RD

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A couple people alrea=
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I had bad experie=
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with this in the past.=C2=A0 Not to mention that it really slows the respon=
se
time down if I have to deal with a plastic bag.



I may put the
safe under a plastic sheet or something.=C2=A0 I will put desiccate
packs in the
safe for sure.



Thanks again and
keep the ideas coming!=C2=A0 I'd hate to miss something important.





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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:18:29 -0400
To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirdest shop related question asked here.
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I also thought "why not just keep it in a holster", but I certainly can
understand the discomfort of lying on the side that has the pistol attached.

That said, my Ruger LC9s has never bothered me. Single-stack, and durable.
I use a Versacarry Zero Bulk, which further minimizes the discomfort.

I wouldn't want to rely on something I don't handle regularly.

-Peter

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:17 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> OK, this one I MEAN to go to the list.
>
> I few have written back about holstering a weapon.  My question then is,
> does anyone here do that?  I can't even work on stuff if I have anything in
> my pockets, I couldn't image safely maneuvering around, under, through
> tight places in cars, etc with a piece of iron strapped to my side.
>
> Not to mention how beat up it would get (I get REALLY banged up daily, not
> sure I would want to put a piece through that regularly.)
>
> Thanks again for all the suggestions,  It's really helping me plan this
> properly.
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
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ever bothered me. Single-stack, and durable. I use a Versacarry Zero Bulk, =
which further minimizes the discomfort.

I wouldn&#=
39;t want to rely on something I don't handle regularly.

=

-Peter

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I few have written back about hols=
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a weapon.=C2=A0 My question then is, does anyone here do that?=C2=A0 I
can't even work on stuff if I have anything in my pockets, I couldn'=
;t image
safely maneuvering around, under, through tight places in cars, etc with
a piece of iron strapped to my side.



Not to mention how beat up it woul=
d
get (I get REALLY banged up daily, not sure I would want to put a piece
through that regularly.)



Thanks again for all the suggestio=
ns,
=C2=A0It's really helping me plan this properly.





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 Yes, there are some that do that (not me), my brother-in-law is one 
and I belong to a gun club where there is always some type of discussion 
about in home carry, my firearms stay in the safe, but i am in a safe 
part of town and don't have coyotes around like you do.

  You would not want to see my brother-in-law's carry around the 
shop/yard weapon, its a small Ruger stainless security six, 2" barrel 
(he bought it CHEAP with a bulged barrel due to a squib and had the 
barrel cut down) and tore up to "poop", scratched (which can be fixed on 
a stainless gun) and gouged (which can't be fixed), its ugly but its 
been on his hip or small of his back for decades. Get a cheap weapon, a 
revolver that you don't care about and you will get used to it on your 
hip or back, heck maybe even try a shoulder holster (kidding but they 
are comfortable while in the way).

 Personally, I would just get a small handgun safe, put it near the 
door and just get in the habit of opening it every time I walked in the 
garage and closing EVERY time you walk out. Just leave it in the safe 
with door open.

 Here is some shop/manufacturing content :) get the small safe and rig 
a light switch to it, so when you open the door it turns on a light that 
way when you are done for the day, you will remember to close the safe 
since the light will be on, make it a bright LED so you can't miss the 
light and it does not use much electricity during the day, BONUS points 
if you rig it so you can't turn off the light while the safe door is 
open and closing the door turns off the light.

  mike


On 3/30/2020 5:15 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> OK, this one I MEAN to go to the list.
>
> I few have written back about holstering a weapon. My question then 
> is, does anyone here do that? I can't even work on stuff if I have 
> anything in my pockets, I couldn't image safely maneuvering around, 
> under, through tight places in cars, etc with a piece of iron strapped 
> to my side.
>
> Not to mention how beat up it would get (I get REALLY banged up daily, 
> not sure I would want to put a piece through that regularly.)
>
> Thanks again for all the suggestions, It's really helping me plan 
> this properly.
>
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Yes, there are some that do that (not
      me), my brother-in-law is one and I belong to a gun club where
      there is always some type of discussion about in home carry, my
      firearms stay in the safe, but i am in a safe part of town and
      don't have coyotes around like you do.

    


    

    
 You would not want to see my
      brother-in-law's carry around the shop/yard weapon, its a small
      Ruger stainless security six, 2" barrel (he bought it CHEAP with a
      bulged barrel due to a squib and had the barrel cut down) and tore
      up to "poop", scratched (which can be fixed on a stainless gun)
      and gouged (which can't be fixed), its ugly but its been on his
      hip or small of his back for decades. Get a cheap weapon, a
      revolver that you don't care about and you will get used to it on
      your hip or back, heck maybe even try a shoulder holster (kidding
      but they are comfortable while in the way). 

    

    


    

    
Personally, I would just get a small
      handgun safe, put it near the door and just get in the habit of
      opening it every time I walked in the garage and closing EVERY
      time you walk out. Just leave it in the safe with door open.

    

    


    

    
Here is some shop/manufacturing
      content :) get the small safe and rig a light switch to it, so
      when you open the door it turns on a light that way when you are
      done for the day, you will remember to close the safe since the
      light will be on, make it a bright LED so you can't miss the light
      and it does not use much electricity during the day, BONUS points
      if you rig it so you can't turn off the light while the safe door
      is open and closing the door turns off the light.

    


    

    
 mike

    


    

    


    

    
On 3/30/2020 5:15 AM, eric--- via
      Shop-talk wrote:

    

    

      
      OK, this one I MEAN to go to the
        list.
      

      

      I few have written back about
        holstering
        a weapon. My question then is, does anyone here do that? I
        can't even work on stuff if I have anything in my pockets, I
        couldn't image
        safely maneuvering around, under, through tight places in cars,
        etc with
        a piece of iron strapped to my side.
      

      

      Not to mention how beat up it
        would
        get (I get REALLY banged up daily, not sure I would want to put
        a piece
        through that regularly.)
      

      

      Thanks again for all the
        suggestions,
        It's really helping me plan this properly.
      

      

        

        "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
        rational
        being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
        Ralph
        Waldo Emerson 

        -Who is John Galt?
      

      

      
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To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Maybe the weirest shop related question asked here.
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Eric
Most any weapon with a bit of maintenance will do the job.
More important is placement! No good havin a Gun at one end of the shop when=
 you are backed into the opposite corner.
Suggest putting it at the place in the shop with a second point of exit.

I have similar animal issues but only have had deer snakes and turkeys come i=
nto the shop. And don=E2=80=99t demean a male turkey in rut inside your shop=
...scary!

Snakes in a shop???
Nick

Sent from the wilds of NorCal=20

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:58 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk  wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOk, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think th=
is one will take the cake.=20
>=20
> I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large=
 shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the a=
rea, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the gara=
ge to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."=20
> Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.=20=

>=20
> So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop en=
vironment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will p=
lay a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)=20
>=20
> Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I=
 will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I ne=
ed to think about?=20
>=20
> Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite=
 polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.  (Note=
, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do have an=
d love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.)=20
>=20
> I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to co=
nsider' for leaving a pistol in a shop.=20
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> Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car an=
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Most any weapon with a bit of main=
tenance will do the job.
More important is placement! No good havi=
n a Gun at one end of the shop when you are backed into the opposite corner.=

Suggest putting it at the place in the shop with a second point o=
f exit.

I have similar animal issues but only have h=
ad deer snakes and turkeys come into the shop. And don=E2=80=99t demean a ma=
le turkey in rut inside your shop...scary!

Snakes i=
n a shop???
Nick

Sent from the wilds of No=
rCal 

On Mar 29, 20=
20, at 10:58 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=
=BFOk, I know I've as=
ked
some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.=




I live out in
the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door
open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area,
I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage
to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."

Actually, I had
a run-in the other night that made me think about this.



So my question
is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what
factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a
huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)



Is there anything=

I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to
think about?



Also, I'm open
to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer
hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
 (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.
 I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.=
)



I don't want this=

to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for
leaving a pistol in a shop.



Note, in my shop
I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment
work, etc.  



Thanks in advance.





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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

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Eric
Most any weapon with a bit of maintenance will do the job.
More important is placement! No good havin a Gun at one end of the shop when=
 you are backed into the opposite corner.
Suggest putting it at the place in the shop with a second point of exit.

I have similar animal issues but only have had deer snakes and turkeys come i=
nto the shop. And don=E2=80=99t demean a male turkey in rut inside your shop=
...scary!

Snakes in a shop???
Nick

Sent from the wilds of NorCal=20

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:58 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk  wrote:
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Eric
Most any weapon with a bit of main=
tenance will do the job.
More important is placement! No good havi=
n a Gun at one end of the shop when you are backed into the opposite corner.=

Suggest putting it at the place in the shop with a second point o=
f exit.

I have similar animal issues but only have h=
ad deer snakes and turkeys come into the shop. And don=E2=80=99t demean a ma=
le turkey in rut inside your shop...scary!

Snakes i=
n a shop???
Nick

Sent from the wilds of No=
rCal 

On Mar 29, 20=
20, at 10:58 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=
=BFOk, I know I've as=
ked
some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake.=




I live out in
the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door
open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area,
I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage
to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."

Actually, I had
a run-in the other night that made me think about this.



So my question
is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what
factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a
huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.)



Is there anything=

I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most
likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to
think about?



Also, I'm open
to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer
hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.
 (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.
 I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.=
)



I don't want this=

to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for
leaving a pistol in a shop.



Note, in my shop
I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment
work, etc.  



Thanks in advance.





"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 

-Who is John Galt?
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I'm going to start with the "I don't know much about guns" opening 
line and then go ahead anyway!  You say you want to "scare off" 
animals.  If that's what you really want to do, how about an air 
horn?  You can have a few of those around without worrying about 
securing them.  If you want to do more than scare them, how about a 
shotgun?  It would still have to be secured and the same concerns 
about corrosion, etc would apply.  It seems to me that the main 
advantage of a pistol is that it is easier to carry.  If you aren't 
going to carry it, then perhaps a shotgun would serve your needs.

-Steve T.

At 01:58 PM 3/29/2020, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this 
>one will take the cake.
>
>I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a 
>large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large 
>animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to 
>keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers."
>Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this.


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easy one tonight folks

Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my sh=
op?

cheers
stay healthy
tim

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easy one tonight folks









Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my sh=
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cheers



stay healthy



tim




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These guys think you should throw it out and buy a fresh one:
https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/tech-qa/1706-nuts-and-bolts-does-loctite-go-bad/ 

I think I agree with them.

-Steve T.

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>easy one tonight folks
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>Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my shop?
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>cheers
>stay healthy
>tim


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These guys think you should throw it out and buy a fresh one:  


https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/tech-qa/1706-nuts-and-bolts-does-loctite-go-bad/
 

I think I agree with them. 


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easy one tonight folks


Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my
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cheers

stay healthy

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Permatex says that storage below 8C (roughly 46F) or above 28C (roughly 82F)
can affect product performance.
https://is.gd/4nnNkI

FWIW Loctite says the same thing.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> easy one tonight folks
> 
> Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over 
> winter in my shop?

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Thanks for the replies. Since I am using it on an office chair (and nothing=
 critical) that I brought home to work from home, I think I'll chance it.

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Subject: [Shop-talk] permatex thread lock

easy one tonight folks

Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my sh=
op?

cheers
stay healthy
tim

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Thanks for the replies. Since I am using it on an office chair (and no=
thing critical) that I brought home to work from home, I think I'll chance =
it. 














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Subject: [Shop-talk] permatex thread lock

 







easy one tonight folks









Is this stuff's effectiveness affected by being frozen over winter in my sh=
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cheers



stay healthy



tim








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   I second the stainless steel revolver recommendation, maybe a Colt Python in .357 magnum.  I'd be concerned that a semi-auto would be more sensitive to that kind of environment, but either way it should not be too challenging.  Desiccant packs are going to be critical, especially to protect the ammo as the gun itself should be OK with a light coat of oil.
  

  

   

  

  

   Good luck.
  

  

   

  

  

   Tom
  

  

   On March 29, 2020 at 8:38 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: 
   
 
   

   

    I'd recommend a stainless double-action revolver, attached to your person in a holster designed to make it impossible for the cylinder to revolve until the weapon is removed from the holster.
    

     

    

    

     

    

   

   

   

    

     On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:58 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < 
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     Ok, I know I've asked some weird questions before, but I think this one will take the cake. 
     
 
     
 
     I live out in the country, and often work well into the night with a large shop door open.  With having bears, coyotes and other large animals in the area, I got to thinking, it might be a good idea to keep a pistol in the garage to scare off any would be 'late night snackers." 
     
 
     Actually, I had a run-in the other night that made me think about this. 
     
 
     
 
     So my question is, if I have a pistol, in a rapid access safe in a shop environment, what factors should I consider?  I understand that humidity will play a huge role, as will dust (I have to see how 'sealed' the safe is.) 
     
 
     
 
     Is there anything I'm missing that I should consider?  I understand that I will most likely have to clean the weapon often, but is there anything I need to think about? 
     
 
     
 
     Also, I'm open to suggestions for a weapon type.  I thinking an XD-M elite polymer hand gun.  With mostly composite parts.  Similar to a Glock.  (Note, I don't have anything against Glock, I just never owned one.  I do have and love my XD however, so Glock isn't out of consideration.) 
     
 
     
 
     I don't want this to turn into a 2nd amendment thread.  Just a 'what to consider' for leaving a pistol in a shop. 
     
 
     
 
     Note, in my shop I do just about everything, metal work, wood work, car and heavy equipment work, etc.   
     
 
     
 Thanks in advance. 
     
 
     
 
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