Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:48:34 -0500

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Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.

Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?

So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out glue
traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any in
months.

But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell.
Sort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was
under a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable.
Then, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.

There are mice in the vents.

Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.

Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.

Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the
kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught
anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing
there either.

When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or
metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't
think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the
noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are
eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still there.
They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can
mice do that? That's disconcerting.

I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and
snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down
at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece
of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps in,
I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts
themselves.

The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the
drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for
advice.

The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC
tube. And poison.

I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about
collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about
being humane. I just want these little bastards gone.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I guess.<=
div><br></div><div>Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and th=
e house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught=C2=A0maybe five or six.=
=C2=A0 Haven&#39;t caught any in months.</div><div><br></div><div>But a few=
 days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that&#39;s the smell. Sort of=
 sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn&#39;t see any droppings. I was und=
er a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Th=
en, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.</=
div><div><br></div><div>There are mice in the vents.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Option 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Here&#39;s my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house=
. Most in the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven&#=
39;t caught anything in them forever. And I put traps near all the register=
s, nothing there either.</div><div><br></div><div>When I initially saw mice=
 I put all the food in the pantry in glass or metal containers and I don&#3=
9;t see any evidence in the pantry either. I don&#39;t think they&#39;re ea=
ting any of my food. If it weren&#39;t for the smell and the noise I wouldn=
&#39;t even know they&#39;re there. I have no idea what they are eating, bu=
t I assume they&#39;re not starving because they&#39;re still there. They&#=
39;re not touching ANY of the traps. It&#39;s like they&#39;ve...learned. C=
an mice do that? That&#39;s disconcerting.</div><div><br></div><div>I pulle=
d off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and snap tr=
aps if I&#39;m really careful, but it&#39;s not like I&#39;m just looking d=
own at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a p=
iece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps i=
n, I&#39;m not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the du=
cts themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>The ducts are all behind finished =
drywall. So before I just demolish the drywall and disassemble my HVAC syst=
em, I thought I&#39;d ask you guys for advice.</div><div><br></div><div>The=
 garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tube. =
And poison.</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t have pets or small childre=
n at home so I&#39;m not worried about collateral damage and I&#39;m so fil=
led with hatred that I&#39;m not worried about being humane. I just want th=
ese little bastards gone.</div></div>

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From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:41:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

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ad><body><div style=3D"font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: ari=
al, sans-serif;"><div>I'm dealing with a similar problem.&nbsp; Had an actu=
al rat in my air duct in my brand new system.&nbsp; Saw it through the regi=
ster.&nbsp; Put traps with peanut butter in the ducts.&nbsp; Attached a len=
gth of electrical wire that came out and was secured between the register a=
nd the wall.&nbsp; Only problem is that the heat is on and the peanut butte=
r dried out right away.&nbsp; I put a bunch of baits under the house and in=
 the attic near where I found droppings.&nbsp; Thought they were gone, but =
heard them in the wall again.</div><div><br></div><div>Make sure you block =
any openings where they might be getting in from outside.&nbsp; I put new s=
creen on my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until the new furnace=
 install.&nbsp; Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after the ins=
tall.&nbsp; Blocked it and still at war with the rats.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Brian<br></div><br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left=
: 0px; border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; font-weight: normal; font-style: nor=
mal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif;=
 color: black;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
<br>Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM
<br>To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
<br>Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related

<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I=
 guess.<div><br></div><div>Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually=
 be?</div><div><br></div><div>So I noticed some mouse activity in the garag=
e and the house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught&nbsp;maybe five =
or six.&nbsp; Haven't caught any in months.</div><div><br></div><div>But a =
few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. Sort of =
sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was under a =
heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Then, l=
ast night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.</div><=
div><br></div><div>There are mice in the vents.</div><div><br></div><div>Op=
tion 1) Burn the house down, claim insurance, rebuild.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Option 2) get them out of there, clean the vents.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in=
 the kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught a=
nything in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing th=
ere either.</div><div><br></div><div>When I initially saw mice I put all th=
e food in the pantry in glass or metal containers and I don't see any evide=
nce in the pantry either. I don't think they're eating any of my food. If i=
t weren't for the smell and the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I=
 have no idea what they are eating, but I assume they're not starving becau=
se they're still there. They're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like th=
ey've...learned. Can mice do that? That's disconcerting.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down ther=
e, and snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking=
 down at the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a=
 piece of 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps=
 in, I'm not sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the duct=
s themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>The ducts are all behind finished dr=
ywall. So before I just demolish the drywall and disassemble my HVAC system=
, I thought I'd ask you guys for advice.</div><div><br></div><div>The garag=
e I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tube. And po=
ison.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't have pets or small children at home =
so I'm not worried about collateral damage and I'm so filled with hatred th=
at I'm not worried about being humane. I just want these little bastards go=
ne.</div></div>
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From: Bill Rabel via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:48:13 -0700

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Another place to check for rodent entry is drain pipes. I found that rats we=
re entering a rental unit of mine through the drain pipe where there was no w=
ashing machine installed.=20

Big snap traps with PB did them in, and I put a wad of copper wool in the pi=
pe.

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes

=E2=80=9CI never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion=
, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=9D - Thomas=
 Jefferson

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I'm dealing with a similar problem.  Had an actual rat in my air duct in m=
y brand new system.  Saw it through the register.  Put traps with peanut but=
ter in the ducts.  Attached a length of electrical wire that came out and wa=
s secured between the register and the wall.  Only problem is that the heat i=
s on and the peanut butter dried out right away.  I put a bunch of baits und=
er the house and in the attic near where I found droppings.  Thought they we=
re gone, but heard them in the wall again.
>=20
> Make sure you block any openings where they might be getting in from outsi=
de.  I put new screen on my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until t=
he new furnace install.  Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after=
 the install.  Blocked it and still at war with the rats.
>=20
> Brian
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk=20
> Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM=20
> To: "[email-masked]"=20
> Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage and the house. Put out glue=
 traps and snap traps. Caught maybe five or six.  Haven't caught any in mont=
hs.
>=20
> But a few days ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. S=
ort of sickly sweet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was un=
der a heat register when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Th=
en, last night while I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Here's my dilemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the=
 kitchen, pantry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught anythi=
ng in them forever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing there ei=
ther.
>=20
> When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry in glass or met=
al containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry either. I don't thi=
nk they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell and the noise I=
 wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they are eating, but I=
 assume they're not starving because they're still there. They're not touchi=
ng ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can mice do that? That's d=
isconcerting.
>=20
> I pulled off the registers. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and=
 snap traps if I'm really careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down a=
t the sheetmetal of the duct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece o=
f 3-inch tubing to the main duct. So while I can probably get traps in, I'm n=
ot sure I could get them out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts themselve=
s.
>=20
> The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the d=
rywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for advice=
.
>=20
> The garage I can do the paint bucket with water and a log-roll type PVC tu=
be. And poison.
>=20
> I don't have pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about colla=
teral damage and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about being h=
umane. I just want these little bastards gone.
>=20
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Another place to check for rodent entry is d=
rain pipes. I found that rats were entering a rental unit of mine through th=
e drain pipe where there was no washing machine installed.&nbsp;<div><br></d=
iv><div>Big snap traps with PB did them in, and I put a wad of copper wool i=
n the pipe.<div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes<br><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"=
>=E2=80=9CI never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religio=
n, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend.=E2=80=9D - Thoma=
s Jefferson</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Ma=
r 20, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Brian Kemp via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family=
: arial, sans-serif;"><div>I'm dealing with a similar problem.&nbsp; Had an a=
ctual rat in my air duct in my brand new system.&nbsp; Saw it through the re=
gister.&nbsp; Put traps with peanut butter in the ducts.&nbsp; Attached a le=
ngth of electrical wire that came out and was secured between the register a=
nd the wall.&nbsp; Only problem is that the heat is on and the peanut butter=
 dried out right away.&nbsp; I put a bunch of baits under the house and in t=
he attic near where I found droppings.&nbsp; Thought they were gone, but hea=
rd them in the wall again.</div><div><br></div><div>Make sure you block any o=
penings where they might be getting in from outside.&nbsp; I put new screen o=
n my crawlspace vents and that got rid of them until the new furnace install=
.&nbsp; Discovered a new hole they made in the siding after the install.&nbs=
p; Blocked it and still at war with the rats.</div><div><br></div><div>Brian=
<br></div><br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; bord=
er-left: #0000ff 2px solid; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-de=
coration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif; color: black=
;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
<br>Sent: Mar 20, 2020 3:48 PM
<br>To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
<br>Subject: [Shop-talk] NOT Covid-related

<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Well, except that I can spend more time at home, I g=
uess.<div><br></div><div>Overall question: how smart can a mouse actually be=
?</div><div><br></div><div>So I noticed some mouse activity in the garage an=
d the house. Put out glue traps and snap traps. Caught&nbsp;maybe five or si=
x.&nbsp; Haven't caught any in months.</div><div><br></div><div>But a few da=
ys ago I smelled...mouse. At least I think that's the smell. Sort of sickly s=
weet, like Simple Green. I didn't see any droppings. I was under a heat regi=
ster when it kicked on, and the smell was very noticeable. Then, last night w=
hile I was in bed...I heard them. Scurrying in the vents.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>There are mice in the vents.</div><div><br></div><div>Option 1) Burn t=
he house down, claim insurance, rebuild.</div><div><br></div><div>Option 2) g=
et them out of there, clean the vents.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's my di=
lemma: I must have a dozen traps around the house. Most in the kitchen, pant=
ry, and garage, where I saw them last. I haven't caught anything in them for=
ever. And I put traps near all the registers, nothing there either.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>When I initially saw mice I put all the food in the pantry i=
n glass or metal containers and I don't see any evidence in the pantry eithe=
r. I don't think they're eating any of my food. If it weren't for the smell a=
nd the noise I wouldn't even know they're there. I have no idea what they ar=
e eating, but I assume they're not starving because they're still there. The=
y're not touching ANY of the traps. It's like they've...learned. Can mice do=
 that? That's disconcerting.</div><div><br></div><div>I pulled off the regis=
ters. I figure I can drop glue traps down there, and snap traps if I'm reall=
y careful, but it's not like I'm just looking down at the sheetmetal of the d=
uct--the registers seem to be attached to a piece of 3-inch tubing to the ma=
in duct. So while I can probably get traps in, I'm not sure I could get them=
 out. To say nothing of cleaning the ducts themselves.</div><div><br></div><=
div>The ducts are all behind finished drywall. So before I just demolish the=
 drywall and disassemble my HVAC system, I thought I'd ask you guys for advi=
ce.</div><div><br></div><div>The garage I can do the paint bucket with water=
 and a log-roll type PVC tube. And poison.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't h=
ave pets or small children at home so I'm not worried about collateral damag=
e and I'm so filled with hatred that I'm not worried about being humane. I j=
ust want these little bastards gone.</div></div>
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