Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:40:49 -0500

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Just finishing off a case of Strep Throat so I=E2=80=99m planning on delayin=
g Corvid-19 for a bit. Seriously, not counting the military-controlled folks=
 there are 4 cases within 50 mile radius of me, 20 miles south of austin tx.=
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Peace,
Pat

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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.=
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Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Just finishing off a case of Strep Throat s=
o I=E2=80=99m planning on delaying Corvid-19 for a bit. Seriously, not count=
ing the military-controlled folks there are 4 cases within 50 mile radius of=
 me, 20 miles south of austin tx.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>=
Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Human=
ity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
>On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Covid-19 is around.&nbsp; How are you doing?<br clear=3D"all"=
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rif;font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">Phil Ethier West Sid=
e Saint Paul Minnesota USA</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0=
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From: Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:43:25 +0000

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Doing ok in Nampa, ID. Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic=
 buying toilet paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country i=
f we were ever faced with an actual crisis.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID

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Doing ok in Nampa, ID. Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic=
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:49:10 -0400

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> Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

Terrible cold/allergies.  Pollen season began last week.  I can do without
the virus.

3 cases of COVID-19 reported in our area (within 10 mile radius).  No
details yet on who they are or where they have been, so everyone is on
edge.  Social Distancing is working OK so far.  Schools are
closed, including the University,, and almost 40 different restaurants have
closed their dining rooms but offer call ahead/curbside pickup, so you can
still get a meal.   My burrito place has the dining room still open, but
the salsa bar is gone, plus all of the lids, condiments, etc are behind the
counter.  Everything is served in a single-use bag now instead of on a
tray.  Makes sense to me.

We are supposed to be practicing telework today, to see if the system can
handle it, but my job doesn't lend itself to that many days, including this
one.
Mostly, it's just eerily quiet for a college town.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 2:34 PM Phili=
p Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Covid-19 is around.=C2=A0 How are you =
doing?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Terrible cold/allergies.=C2=A0=
 Pollen season began last week.=C2=A0 I can do without the virus.</div><div=
><br></div><div>3 cases of COVID-19 reported in our area (within 10 mile ra=
dius).=C2=A0 No details yet on who they are or where they have been, so eve=
ryone is on edge.=C2=A0 Social Distancing is working OK so far.=C2=A0 Schoo=
ls are closed,=C2=A0including the University,, and almost 40 different rest=
aurants have closed their dining rooms but offer call ahead/curbside pickup=
, so you can still get a meal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My burrito place has the dining =
room still open, but the salsa bar is gone, plus all of the lids, condiment=
s, etc are behind the counter.=C2=A0 Everything is served in a single-use b=
ag now instead of on a tray.=C2=A0 Makes sense to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><br>We=
 are supposed to be practicing telework today, to see if the=C2=A0system ca=
n handle it, but my job doesn&#39;t lend itself to that many days, includin=
g this one.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>Mostly, it&#39;s just eerily quiet for a college=
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From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:50:16 -0500

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Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I think we
are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.  Schools are all closed
around here.  Our office has implemented optional work form home and
mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound travel
permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't see a bunch
of new cases around here.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infecti=
on.=C2=A0 I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.=C2=
=A0 Schools are all closed around here.=C2=A0 Our office has implemented op=
tional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.=C2=
=A0 No outbound travel permitted.=C2=A0 Hopefully the prevention has kicked=
 in and we won&#39;t see a bunch of new cases around here.<br></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 1=
6, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Covid-19 is ar=
ound.=C2=A0 How are you doing?<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
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a,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">Phil Ethier West Side Saint P=
aul Minnesota USA</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font=
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ot;uncle jack&quot;, Sapphire Blue</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font=
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From: rwil--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 13:24:09 -0700

Currently 39 cases in San Diego County (CA).  That is about a 50 mile
radius.  "House arrest" sucks but I'm 82 and staying put.  With test
kits more available and drive-in sites being set up over the weekend,
more accurate numbers should be appearing soon.  

-Roland Wilhelmy

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All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the =
area, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is starting =
to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has =
decided this is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding =
areas.  What they bring with them is the concern, especially as our =
hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not the =
rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - =
with us.  Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have =
joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe =
and healthy.  Long may that continue!

Hope everyone else stays well, too. =20

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closed around here.  Our office has implemented optional work form home =
and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound travel =
permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't see a =
bunch of new cases around here.
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is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area, =
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Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They are 
even talking about an evening curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except 
be safe and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 cases, 
with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised 
health to begin with.  Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed dead''.

Mike

On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
> All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the 
> area, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is 
> starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer 
> homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and 
> surrounding areas.  What they bring with them is the concern, 
> especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round 
> population, not the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, 
> virus shutdowns - with us.  Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and 
> granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying with us for the 
> duration) are all safe and healthy.  Long may that continue!
>
> Hope everyone else stays well, too.
>
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk 
>>
>> Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I 
>> think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. Schools 
>> are all closed around here.  Our office has implemented optional work 
>> form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No 
>> outbound travel permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in 
>> and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk 
>>
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    <p><font face="Tahoma">Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle),
        everything is shut down.  They are even talking about an evening
        curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except be safe and use
        common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 cases, with 37
        confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised
        health to begin with.  Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed
        dead''.</font></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via
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      All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in
      the area, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is
      starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with
      summer homes has decided this is a better place to be than New
      York City and surrounding areas.  What they bring with them is the
      concern, especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the
      year round population, not the rich and famous who spend their
      summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us.  Still, my family
      (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and
      are staying with us for the duration) are all safe and healthy.
       Long may that continue!
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      <div class="">Hope everyone else stays well, too.  <br class="">
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                text-decoration: none;" class="">Lots of precaution
                around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I think we
                are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far. 
                Schools are all closed around here.  Our office has
                implemented optional work form home and mandatory
                quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound travel
                permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and
                we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.<br
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="">Covid-19 is around.  How are
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                                        Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA</span><br
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I should also add that, at 67, I really hate hearing =E2=80=9Cover 60=E2=80=
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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk =
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> Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They =
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except be safe and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 =
cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with =
compromised health to begin with.  Not sure what it means to be =
''confirmed dead''.
>> All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in =
the area, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is =
starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer =
homes has decided this is a better place to be than New York City and =
surrounding areas.  What they bring with them is the concern, especially =
as our hospital is pretty much sized for the year round population, not =
the rich and famous who spend their summers - and now, virus shutdowns - =
with us.  Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have =
joined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe =
and healthy.  Long may that continue!
>>> Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I =
think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.  Schools are =
all closed around here.  Our office has implemented optional work form =
home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound =
travel permitted.  Hopefully the prevention has kicked in and we won't =
see a bunch of new cases around here.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
should also add that, at 67, I really hate hearing =E2=80=9Cover 60=E2=80=9D=
 and =E2=80=9Celderly=E2=80=9D being used interchangeably. &nbsp;Still, =
I guess the shoe fits.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:23 PM, =
Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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  <div class=3D""><p class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D"">Here in =
the US Ground Zero (Seattle),
        everything is shut down.&nbsp; They are even talking about an =
evening
        curfew.&nbsp; Not a whole lot one can do except be safe and use
        common sense.&nbsp; Here in King County we have 420 cases, with =
37
        confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised
        health to begin with.&nbsp; Not sure what it means to be =
''confirmed
        dead''.</font></p><p class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" =
class=3D"">Mike</font><br class=3D"">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br class=3D"">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]" class=3D"">
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      All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in
      the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. =
&nbsp;It is
      starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with
      summer homes has decided this is a better place to be than New
      York City and surrounding areas. &nbsp;What they bring with them =
is the
      concern, especially as our hospital is pretty much sized for the
      year round population, not the rich and famous who spend their
      summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us. &nbsp;Still, my =
family
      (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and
      are staying with us for the duration) are all safe and healthy.
      &nbsp;Long may that continue!
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
      </div>
      <div class=3D"">Hope everyone else stays well, too. &nbsp;<br =
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        <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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            <div class=3D"">On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via
              Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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              <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style:
                normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Lots of precaution
                around Iowa, very little actual infection.&nbsp; I think =
we
                are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.&nbsp;
                Schools are all closed around here.&nbsp; Our office has
                implemented optional work form home and mandatory
                quarantine for returning travelers.&nbsp; No outbound =
travel
                permitted.&nbsp; Hopefully the prevention has kicked in =
and
                we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.<br =
class=3D"">
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                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, =
2020
                  at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
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moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br class=3D"">
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                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
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                  solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);
                  padding-left: 1ex;">
                  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Covid-19 is around.&nbsp; =
How are
                    you doing?<br class=3D"" clear=3D"all">
                    <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
                    </div>
                    --<span =
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style=3D"font-family: verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;
                                        background-color: rgb(239, 239,
                                        239);" class=3D"">Phil Ethier =
West
                                        Side Saint Paul Minnesota =
USA</span><br class=3D"">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; background-color:
                                        rgb(239, 239, 239);" =
class=3D"">1973
                                        Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle
                                        jack", Sapphire Blue</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
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verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; background-color:
                                        rgb(239, 239, 239);" =
class=3D"">2004
                                        Suburban 8.1, Sport =
Red</span><br style=3D"font-family: verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; background-color:
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verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; background-color:
                                        rgb(239, 239, 239);" =
class=3D"">2005
                                        Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red =
Pearl</span></div>
                                    <div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: verdana,
                                        geneva, lucida, &quot;lucida
                                        grande&quot;, arial, helvetica,
                                        sans-serif; background-color:
                                        rgb(239, 239, 239);" =
class=3D"">2006
                                        Gulf Stream Conquest Super C,
                                        8.1, White</span></div>
                                    <div class=3D"">2017 Ford Fusion SE
                                      2.0 Turbo, Oxford White<br =
style=3D"font-family: verdana,
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South East Michigan is mostly OK. Several known cases in Washtenaw 
County, but so far so good. I'm with Jim Stone about the "over 60" bit 
(I'm just a couple of months shy of 68 now) and am not nearly "elderly."

Michigan is in lockdown for gathering places that can host more than 50 
people. Smaller places are supposed to keep at less than 50% capacity, 
and restaurants are to only do takeout or delivery, so basically 
EVERYONE is down. Schools, SSA offices (I just retired,) restaurants, 
bars, theaters, ... The ballet company with which I perform has 
postponed its Spring performances and the studio is shut down. The whole 
town is eerily quiet.

Keep safe; keep healthy all,
Donald.
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Brian writes...

> Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet 
paper. Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever 
faced with an actual crisis.

You said it!  I work for the NJ State Police in the Intelligence Center. 
The Governor and his staff is now there daily. 

The real problem is the media using this as a ratings grab across the 
world.  Look at the numbers, the number of people that died of the flu, in 
the US only, this year exceeds total worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of 
magnitude.  Every year, we see this activity.  But, because this one has a 
different signature, lets all lose our minds.

Business are going to go under, and people are not going to be able to pay 
their bills and can lose their homes as a result of the panic they are 
instilling.

This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other 
types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has the media 
waging the dog.

/soapbox

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Brian writes...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt;</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet paper.
Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever faced
with an actual crisis.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">You said it! &nbsp;I work for the NJ State
Police in the Intelligence Center. &nbsp;The Governor and his staff is
now there daily. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">The real problem is the media using this
as a ratings grab across the world. &nbsp;Look at the numbers, the number
of people that died of the flu, in the US only, this year exceeds total
worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of magnitude. &nbsp;Every year, we see this
activity. &nbsp;But, because this one has a different signature, lets all
lose our minds.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">Business are going to go under, and people
are not going to be able to pay their bills and can lose their homes as
a result of the panic they are instilling.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">This is no different then swine flu, bird
flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had.
&nbsp;But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri">/soapbox</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: ERIC RUSSELL via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT)

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> Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing? 
Our family is well. Being retired makes staying home easy. Being half Finnish makes maintaining social distance feel natural. As a retired ER nurse I am worried about the stress those folks are/will be under. Many places are reporting insufficient stocks of basic PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). Management is trying to get them to re-use equipment &/or telling them it is not needed. They worry about bringing something home. If you need medical care be patient with the staff. Eric RussellMebane, NC 
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19 is around.&nbsp; How are you doing?&nbsp;<br></div><div><br data-mce-bog=
us=3D"1"></div><div>Our family is well. Being retired makes staying home ea=
sy. Being half Finnish makes maintaining social distance feel natural.&nbsp=
;</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>As a retired ER nurse I am =
worried about the stress those folks are/will be under. Many places are rep=
orting insufficient stocks of basic PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). Ma=
nagement is trying to get them to re-use equipment &amp;/or telling them it=
 is not needed. They worry about bringing something home. If you need medic=
al care be patient with the staff.&nbsp;</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"=
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:06:09 -0400

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote:

> types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has the media waging
> the dog.
>

I am not an epidemiologist.  But I do help to keep a high-containment
infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off...

This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the virii
family tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).  It is like swine flu
and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.

What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.  That means we
haven't seen it before.   H1N1 flu is very similar to H5N9 and a host of
other variants - but we understand the virus in general, and have a good
chance to make a vaccine to prevent it or reduce its effect, depending on
how well we guess that year's mutation.  But this virus is taking some time
to understand it...meanwhile, we aren't 100% sure how it is transmitted
(though there are some educated guesses), and we aren't very close to any
sort of vaccine.  Latest estimates from CDC and WHO indicate it is fatal in
about 3% off cases - though that's in /known/ cases, which is a number we
don't have any handle on at all.  The actual rate could be less, but it
definitely goes up with age and impaired physical condition.

We are behind the 8 ball here for a number of reasons - and yes, some of
them are political - so we have to do the best with what we know.  And what
we know is that if you are in a room with infected people, your chance of
exposure goes up.  If you don't wash your hands, your risk of exposure goes
up.  And, you can be infested - and shedding virus - and not know it.

So, if you dig down through all the noise, you find the media actually
saying:

Wash your hands frequently.  If you can't wash them, use hand sanitizer.

Avoid being in small spaces with lots of other people.

If you start showing symptoms, look to your local public health agency for
guidance.  Look at the CDC web site.

My county is debating a curfew (which won't help much, except to limit
exposure to drunks in college bars) and debating a limit on the number of
people that can gather in a public or semi-public place (which might
actually help, but it's something you can do already).

So, you have a shop, right?  And a pile of projects, right?  So, avoid Cars
& Coffee this month, and finish that overhaul you started six years ago.
That's my two cents.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someo=
ne wrote:<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">This is no different then swin=
e flu, bird
flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had.
=C2=A0But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not an epidemiologist.=C2=A0 But I do=
 help to keep a high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of=
 this has rubbed off...</div><div><br></div><div>This is, of course, very m=
uch like SARS - they are cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is a=
lso called SARS-CoV-2).=C2=A0 It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that it=
 seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.</div><div><br></div><div>What makes=
 it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.=C2=A0 That means we haven&=
#39;t seen it before.=C2=A0 =C2=A0H1N1 flu is very similar to H5N9 and a ho=
st of other variants - but we understand the virus in general, and have a g=
ood chance to make a vaccine to prevent it or reduce its effect, depending =
on how well we guess that year&#39;s mutation.=C2=A0 But this virus is taki=
ng some time to understand it...meanwhile, we aren&#39;t 100% sure how it i=
s transmitted (though there are some educated guesses), and we aren&#39;t v=
ery close to any sort of vaccine.=C2=A0 Latest estimates from CDC and WHO i=
ndicate it is fatal in about 3% off cases - though that&#39;s in /known/ ca=
ses, which is a number we don&#39;t have any handle on at all.=C2=A0 The ac=
tual rate could be less, but it definitely goes up with age and impaired ph=
ysical condition.<br><br>We are behind the 8 ball here for a number of reas=
ons - and yes, some of them are political - so we have to do the best with =
what we know.=C2=A0 And what we know is that if you are in a room with infe=
cted people, your chance of exposure goes up.=C2=A0 If you don&#39;t wash y=
our hands, your risk of exposure goes up.=C2=A0 And, you can be infested - =
and shedding virus - and not know it.<br><br>So, if you dig down through al=
l the noise, you find the media actually saying:</div><div><br></div><div>W=
ash your hands frequently.=C2=A0 If you can&#39;t wash them, use hand sanit=
izer.</div><div><br></div><div>Avoid being in small spaces with lots of oth=
er people.</div><div><br></div><div>If you start showing symptoms, look to =
your local public health agency for guidance.=C2=A0 Look at the CDC web sit=
e.<br><br>My county is debating a curfew (which won&#39;t help much, except=
 to limit exposure to drunks in college bars) and debating a limit on the n=
umber of people that can gather in a public or semi-public place (which mig=
ht actually help, but it&#39;s something you can do already).<br><br>So, yo=
u have a shop, right?=C2=A0 And a pile of projects, right?=C2=A0 So, avoid =
Cars &amp; Coffee this month, and finish that overhaul you started six year=
s ago.=C2=A0 That&#39;s my two cents.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff Scarbro=
ugh</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br><br>.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
></div></div>

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From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
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I get where you are coming form, the media blasts everything out of
proportion, no doubt about that.  But I don't know jack about epidemiology,
so I have to take advice from someone who does.  That ain't the cheeto in
chief.  I am getting my advice from WHO and CDC.  Those boffins say take
this seriously, so I am.  For me that means monitoring the number of cases
reported near me and avoiding any unnecessary risk.  I got vaccinated
against the flu, so did a bunch of other people in the US.  We know that
even a nasty strain of flu won't run rampant through the nation.  Only like
one person in the world has been vaccinated against this stuff, and with no
idea if it is going to work or not.  The flu generally gets rolling in
October or November and dies down by May, so you have a limited exposure
window.  It is not yet know if this virus will follow the same pattern.
But early looks form the southern hemisphere, where it is now summer, seem
to indicate this isn't going to slow down on it's own.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 6:43 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________
>
> [email-masked]

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I get where you are coming form, the media blasts everythi=
ng out of proportion, no doubt about that.=C2=A0 But I don&#39;t know jack =
about epidemiology, so I have to take advice from someone who does.=C2=A0 T=
hat ain&#39;t the cheeto in chief.=C2=A0 I am getting my advice from WHO an=
d CDC.=C2=A0 Those boffins say take this seriously, so I am.=C2=A0 For me t=
hat means monitoring the number of cases reported near me and avoiding any =
unnecessary risk.=C2=A0 I got vaccinated against the flu, so did a bunch of=
 other people in the US.=C2=A0 We know that even a nasty strain of flu won&=
#39;t run rampant through the nation.=C2=A0 Only like one person in the wor=
ld has been vaccinated against this stuff, and with no idea if it is going =
to work or not.=C2=A0 The flu generally gets rolling in October or November=
 and dies down by May, so you have a limited exposure window.=C2=A0 It is n=
ot yet know if this virus will follow the same pattern.=C2=A0 But early loo=
ks form the southern hemisphere, where it is now summer, seem to indicate t=
his isn&#39;t going to slow down on it&#39;s own.<br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020=
 at 6:43 PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Brian=
 writes...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt;</font><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Calibri">
Wondering with amazement at the folks that are panic buying toilet paper.
Man, we would have a heck of a time in this country if we were ever faced
with an actual crisis.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">You said it!=C2=A0 I work for the NJ =
State
Police in the Intelligence Center.=C2=A0 The Governor and his staff is
now there daily. =C2=A0</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">The real problem is the media using t=
his
as a ratings grab across the world.=C2=A0 Look at the numbers, the number
of people that died of the flu, in the US only, this year exceeds total
worldwide fatalities by ORDERS of magnitude.=C2=A0 Every year, we see this
activity.=C2=A0 But, because this one has a different signature, lets all
lose our minds.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">Business are going to go under, and p=
eople
are not going to be able to pay their bills and can lose their homes as
a result of the panic they are instilling.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">This is no different then swine flu, =
bird
flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have recently had.
=C2=A0But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">/soapbox</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>_______________________________________________<br=
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:45:48 -0600

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On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
>     This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the
>     other types of outbreaks we have recently had.  But this one has
>     the media waging the dog.
>
>
> This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the 
> virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).  It is like 
> swine flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.
>
> What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.  That means 
> we haven't seen it before.

I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't rhyme (as 
Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same sort of phlegm 
every once in a while for the same reasons.  It's now right around 100 
years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated 50-60 million 
worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what it is 
now.  There /are/ pandemics, and some of them have rather high death 
rates.  The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.  The CDC is 
estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to 
sneeze at.  In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably 
because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care 
is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from 
opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia. The 
death rate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is 
about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and 
has a much greater potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to 
behave exceptionally because the threat is exceptional are appropriate.  
Does the media magnify the threat? Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the 
core of the business.  But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, 
best to listen to it, instead of the nitwits.

Cheers.

-- 

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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      via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43
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          </div>
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          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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              face="Calibri">This is no different then swine flu, bird
              flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have
              recently had.
               But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I am not an epidemiologist.  But I do help to keep a
            high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of
            this has rubbed off...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are
            cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called
            SARS-CoV-2).  It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that it
            seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>What makes it different is that it is a novel
            coronavirus.  That means we haven't seen it before.</div>
        </div>
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    <p>I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't
      rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same
      sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.  It's
      now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an
      estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was
      about 35-40% of what it is now.  There <i>are</i> pandemics, and
      some of them have rather high death rates.  The rate of death from
      the Spanish flu was about 2%.  The CDC is estimating a rate of
      death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at.  In
      hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because
      in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is
      less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from
      opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia. 
      The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety
      influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is
      more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all
      in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is
      exceptional are appropriate.  Does the media magnify the threat? 
      Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the business.  But,
      if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it,
      instead of the nitwits.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p> <br>
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Roswell, NM

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I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Ground Zero, on the coast. Only one confi=
rmed case out here so far, but I expect that to change. Too many folks with=
 no doctor and poor hand-washing skills.=20
My office is already socially-isolated. If I do have to meet the public, I =
have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits.

Bob K

From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 14:23
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down

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ect that to change. Too many folks with no doctor and poor hand-washing ski=
lls. </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My office is already socially-isolated. If I =
do have to meet the public, I have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits.</p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob K<o:p></o=
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</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, March 16, 2020 14:23<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject=
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Howdy,

Given the apparent near total lack of testing, I'm not putting much faith
in 'reported case' #'s.  And, like others have said, I think when the CDC,
WHO, and the politicians are all saying "this is serious, stop fucking
around" then I'm going to take it seriously and stop fucking around.

We've been avoiding contact with the outside world since Thursday.  Prior
to that we were doing the washing of hands / sanitizer things for a few
days.  Right now I think we have enough food to not have to leave the house
for another week anyway, perhaps longer, and I have no plans to do that.
Complicating that a little bit is that Ohio has an election tomorrow...
maybe. The Governor tried to delay it today at 4pm, was shot down in court
at 7pm after many news outlets reported it as a done deal, and apparently
is going to appeal.  I do know that I won't be going to the polls and will
be doing everything I can to prevent my wife from going.  There's nothing
on the ballot as pressing as keeping us alive and a 1% or 5% or 1/2% chance
of death is more risk than I want to take even if I totally discount all of
the other aspects of trying to slow the spread of the virus.

Mark

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:13 PM Bob Kegel via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Ground Zero, on the coast. Only one con=
firmed
> case out here so far, but I expect that to change. Too many folks with no
> doctor and poor hand-washing skills.
>
> My office is already socially-isolated. If I do have to meet the public, =
I
> *From: *Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Monday, March 16, 2020 14:23
> *To: [email-masked]
> *Subject: *Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
>
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>Given the apparent near total la=
ck of testing, I&#39;m not putting much faith in &#39;reported case&#39; #&=
#39;s.=C2=A0 And, like others have said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the=
 politicians are all saying &quot;this is serious, stop fucking around&quot=
; then I&#39;m going to take it seriously and stop fucking around.<br><br>W=
e&#39;ve been avoiding contact with the outside world since Thursday.=C2=A0=
 Prior to that we were doing the washing of hands / sanitizer things for a =
few days.=C2=A0 Right now I think we have enough food to not have to leave =
the house for another week anyway, perhaps longer, and I have no plans to d=
o that.=C2=A0 Complicating that a little bit is that Ohio has an election t=
omorrow... maybe. The Governor tried to delay it today at 4pm, was shot dow=
n in court at 7pm after many news outlets reported it as a done deal, and a=
pparently is going to appeal.=C2=A0 I do know that I won&#39;t be going to =
the polls and will be doing everything I can to prevent my wife from going.=
=C2=A0 There&#39;s nothing on the ballot as pressing as keeping us alive an=
d a 1% or 5% or 1/2% chance of death is more risk than I want to take even =
if I totally discount all of the other aspects of trying to slow the spread=
 of the virus.<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:13 PM Bob Kegel v=
ia Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_8100400459044104255Wor=
dSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m a two-hour drive from Ground =
Zero, on the coast. Only one confirmed case out here so far, but I expect t=
hat to change. Too many folks with no doctor and poor hand-washing skills. =
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My office is already socially-isolated. If I do =
have to meet the public, I have gloves, N95 masks, and Tyvek suits.</p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob K<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"=
border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid =
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r:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday,=
 March 16, 2020 14:23<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: =
[Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Here =
in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down</span><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div>__________=
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The University of Chicago is scrupulously following the closure 
recommendations.
Been in serious back pain for 7 weeks.  Surgery was scheduled for 7 
tomorrow morning.  Shoulda walked out that afternoon.
But nooooo - they called this morning and now I wait till April 16.
PS - I'm one of those people for whom nothing alleviates pain.  Nothing.  
Booze sort of, but I can't get anything done staying oiled up all day.
Damn

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<div dir=3D"auto">The University of Chicago is scrupulously following the c=
losure recommendations.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Been in serious back pain fo=
r 7 weeks.&nbsp; Surgery was scheduled for 7 tomorrow morning.&nbsp; Should=
a walked out that afternoon.</div><div dir=3D"auto">But nooooo - they calle=
d this morning and now I wait till April 16.</div><div dir=3D"auto">PS - I'=
m one of those people for whom nothing alleviates pain.&nbsp; Nothing.&nbsp=
; Booze sort of, but I can't get anything done staying oiled up all day.</d=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infecti=
on.&nbsp; I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.&nbs=
p; Schools are all closed around here.&nbsp; Our office has implemented opt=
ional work form home and mandatory quarantine for returning travelers.&nbsp=
; No outbound travel permitted.&nbsp; Hopefully the prevention has kicked i=
n and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.<br></div><br><div clas=
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id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Covid-19 is around.&=
nbsp; How are you doing?<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D=
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:55:05 -0600

As for me, I'll just shake my head in wonderment at the amazing rash of 
stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping 
Team.Net on the air, as I've been doing for all these years.  And I'll 
hope that when I get overwhelmed by the hysteria I can still retreat to 
a nearby tavern for a relaxing pint.

Cheers!

mjb.

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 01:38:35 -0500

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The metro St. Louis area could go either way, I think. I ran out of paper
towels this weekend. Costco and Wal Mart tonight look worse than Florida
during hurricane prep. The toilet paper thing is real here--I would be
willing to bet there's none in stores anywhere in the metro area. No paper
towels either. The meat cases at Costco were empty, completely. Wal Mart
had some fresh produce--plum tomatoes and cabbage, but no bananas or
onions. Costco was the most unsettling--they had a list at the door of what
was sold out and the massive pallets of produce were just gone. The area
was mostly just empty. People were rolling out with cases of bottled water.
As if the water supply was in jeopardy. No flour. No butter, milk almost
gone. I'm not sure how bad people think it will be when they buy all the
fifty-pound bags of flour.

Schools are closed starting tomorrow; I told my guys last week they could
work from home. The rumors were going hard at work--they're going to be a
quarantine, banks are closing, gas stations are closing. Illinois is closed
all 'non-essential' business which, while probably the right way to stop a
biological agent, drive the spread of the stupid fear-mongering.

I was thinking about this a lot like Eric--just wash your damn hands (often
and well), maintain social distancing, and if you're under 60 the worst
you're going to get here is what amounts to a bad cold. Stay out of the ER
unless the paramedics take you there themselves and this will all blow over
in a few weeks. Even at the stated mortality rate you won't know anyone
that dies from this and if we don't tilt the hospitals they can probably
save most of the truly bad cases. If we all do our part this will be mostly
a non-event for most people.

After today I'm less worried about the virus itself and more about the
stupid running around. I lived through Florida hurricanes that seemed like
nothing compared to the people obviously barely containing their panic.
Toilet paper panic buying? Or attempted price gouging? Seriously?

And apparently my pop-epidemiology isn't great either--this is a bigger
deal than I thought and I should have sent everyone home at least a week
before I did. Maybe that 2% fatality rate is soft and it's not sticking to
the (sorry, fellas) elderly.

I figure I've got enough food probably two months, minimum. If I had to not
leave the house at all, that'd be achievable. But after watching and
hearing my fellow citizens I'm starting to think I should have laid into a
stockpile of ammunition.

I dunno, I'm a little unsettled. I've evacuated from hurricanes. I lived
through *not* evacuating from hurricanes and had no power or running water
for six weeks. In August. I never thought society was even close to to
approaching mass panic, it was just sweaty. Watching these people around
here...I'm not so sure about this. It's almost like they want to melt down
and have been waiting for an excuse. Even on Fox no one was claiming banks
and gas stations would shut down but people made that up in their heads.
Normal news stations just kept repeating schools would close and people
just got more wound up.

I'll probably feel better in the morning. Something about watching people
load up cases of bottled water in front of a store of empty shelves. It was
like they needed to buy *something*.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The metro St. Louis area could go either way, I think. I r=
an out of paper towels this weekend. Costco and Wal Mart tonight look worse=
 than Florida during hurricane prep. The toilet paper thing is real here--I=
 would be willing to bet there&#39;s none in stores anywhere in the metro a=
rea. No paper towels either. The meat cases at Costco were empty, completel=
y. Wal Mart had some fresh produce--plum tomatoes and cabbage, but no banan=
as or onions. Costco was the most unsettling--they had a list at the door o=
f what was sold out and the massive pallets of produce were just gone. The =
area was mostly just empty. People were rolling out with cases of bottled w=
ater. As if the water supply was in jeopardy. No flour. No butter, milk alm=
ost gone. I&#39;m not sure how bad people think it will be when they buy al=
l the fifty-pound bags of flour.<div><br></div><div>Schools are closed star=
ting tomorrow; I told my guys last week they could work from home. The rumo=
rs were going hard at work--they&#39;re going to be a quarantine, banks are=
 closing, gas stations are closing. Illinois is closed all &#39;non-essenti=
al&#39; business which, while probably the right way to stop a biological a=
gent, drive the spread of the stupid fear-mongering.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>I was thinking about this a lot like Eric--just wash your damn han=
ds (often and well), maintain social distancing, and if you&#39;re under 60=
 the worst you&#39;re going to get here is what amounts to a bad cold. Stay=
 out of the ER unless the paramedics take you there themselves and this wil=
l all blow over in a few weeks. Even at the stated mortality rate you won&#=
39;t know anyone that dies from this and if we don&#39;t tilt the hospitals=
 they can probably save most of the truly bad cases. If we all do our part =
this will be mostly a non-event for most people.</div><div><br></div><div>A=
fter today I&#39;m less worried about the virus itself and more about the s=
tupid running around. I lived through Florida hurricanes that seemed like n=
othing compared to the people obviously barely containing their panic. Toil=
et paper panic buying? Or attempted price gouging? Seriously?</div><div><br=
></div><div>And apparently my pop-epidemiology isn&#39;t great either--this=
 is a bigger deal than I thought and I should have sent everyone home at le=
ast a week before I did. Maybe that 2% fatality rate is soft and it&#39;s n=
ot sticking to the (sorry, fellas) elderly.</div><div><br></div><div>I figu=
re I&#39;ve got enough food probably two months, minimum. If I had to not l=
eave the house at all, that&#39;d be achievable. But after watching and hea=
ring my fellow citizens I&#39;m starting to think I should have laid into a=
 stockpile of ammunition.</div><div><br></div><div>I dunno, I&#39;m a littl=
e unsettled. I&#39;ve evacuated from hurricanes. I lived through *not* evac=
uating from hurricanes and had no power or running water for six weeks. In =
August. I never thought society was even close to to approaching mass panic=
, it was just sweaty. Watching these people around here...I&#39;m not so su=
re about this. It&#39;s almost like they want to melt down and have been wa=
iting for an excuse. Even on Fox no one was claiming banks and gas stations=
 would shut down but people made that up in their heads. Normal news statio=
ns just kept repeating schools would close and people just got more wound u=
p.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll probably feel better in the morning. S=
omething about watching people load up cases of bottled water in front of a=
 store of empty shelves. It was like they needed to buy *something*.=C2=A0<=
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239,239,239)">2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White</span></div><di=
v>2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White<br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><a href=3D"http://www.mnauto=
x.com/" style=3D"color:rgb(0,24,57);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&quot=
;lucida grande&quot;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,23=
9,239)" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mnautox.com</a><br></div></div></div><=
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HI Mark,

Here in LA they are closing taverns as a precaution, so even that is no
longer an option...

best,

doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr">HI Mark,<div><br></div><div>Here in LA they are closing ta=
verns as a precaution, so even that is no longer an option...</div><div><br=
></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020=
 at 9:55 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@a=
utox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As for me, I&#39;ll just shake my he=
ad in wonderment at the amazing rash of <br>
stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping <br>
Team.Net on the air, as I&#39;ve been doing for all these years.=C2=A0 And =
I&#39;ll <br>
hope that when I get overwhelmed by the hysteria I can still retreat to <br=
a nearby tavern for a relaxing pint.<br>
<br>
Cheers!<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:46:57 -0400

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You mean the stupidity of people continuing to go out and socialize =
despite that having not worked out so well for Italy? I know. Saturday =
night we tried to go out for dinner, figuring it'd be deserted. Couldn't =
get a reservation until 9pm. Then we realized how much people weren't =
getting it (including us) and were not surprised when later that night =
the gov't stepped in. The realization of just how bad this could get, =
and that it was getting worse faster than our brains could grasp it, set =
in. KInda like a small fire in the shop, where while you're reaching for =
the fire extinguisher you turn around and realize you need to reach for =
the telephone and the exit at the same time.=20

Here in Boston it's major lockdown since Sunday, like in most denseley =
populated areas. We can still go shop, etc. but all public gatherings of =
any kind are banned.=20

At 55 I'm not so concerned about me, but I do wonder if the tightness in =
my lungs last week was nothing, or something, and did I spread something =
before I knew that was possible?

It's a good week to clean the garage. Do I really need 20+ hammers? A =
pneumatic wrench my dad had in the 70s that won't undo lug nuts anymore? =
We watched Ford vs Ferrari Saturday night and after 25 years of playing =
with motorcycles exclusively, felt the hankering for a car project =
again.

Thanks for keeping the lights on Mark. We're going to need it for a =
while.=20

jim

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:55 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> As for me, I'll just shake my head in wonderment at the amazing rash =
of stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping =
Team.Net on the air, as I've been doing for all these years.  And I'll =
hope that when I get overwhelmed by the hysteria I can still retreat to =
a nearby tavern for a relaxing pint.
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:26 PM Mark Andy via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> And, like others have said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the politicians
> are all saying "this is serious, stop fucking around" then I'm going to
> take it seriously and stop fucking around.
>

It needs to be said:  Some politicians keep telling us it's all going to be
fine, and we don't need to worry about any of this.  And people listen to
him instead of the CDC and the WHO.

That is what keeps me awake at night.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:26 PM Mark =
Andy via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-tal=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>And, like others have =
said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the politicians are all saying &quot;t=
his is serious, stop fucking around&quot; then I&#39;m going to take it ser=
iously and stop fucking around.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>It needs to be said:=C2=A0 Some politicians keep telling us it&#39;s all g=
oing to be fine, and we don&#39;t need to worry about any of this.=C2=A0 An=
d people listen to him instead of the CDC and the WHO.=C2=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div>That is what keeps me awake at night.=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:33:38 -0400

Keeps me awake too. One problem that we will run into is that if the 
measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and 
many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't 
want to take appropriate measures next time.

The only way we will know if the measures were ineffective is if we do 
have a catastrophe. This reasoning applies to other situations we are 
facing, as well.

Donald.

On 2020-03-17 9:24 a.m., Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:26 PM Mark Andy via Shop-talk 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     And, like others have said, I think when the CDC, WHO, and the
>     politicians are all saying "this is serious, stop fucking around"
>     then I'm going to take it seriously and stop fucking around.
> 
> 
> It needs to be said:  Some politicians keep telling us it's all going to 
> be fine, and we don't need to worry about any of this.  And people 
> listen to him instead of the CDC and the WHO.
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
> 

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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <
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> One problem that we will run into is that if the

Like Y2k.  I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe
was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling
down and fixing it before it was a problem.

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d H Locker via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sh=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">One problem that we will run into is=
 that if the <br>
measures are sufficiently effective, we won&#39;t have a catastrophe, and <=
br>
many people will complain, &quot;Well, that was all for naught!&quot; and w=
on&#39;t <br>
want to take appropriate measures next time.</blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>Like Y2k.=C2=A0 I&#39;ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of c=
atastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people b=
uckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:48:42 -0400

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk =
> =20
> One problem that we will run into is that if the=20
> measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and=20=

> many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't=20=

> Like Y2k.  I'ts never been clear to me how much of the lack of =
catastrophe was due to overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of =
people buckling down and fixing it before it was a problem.=20

Both. There was a lot of fixing that went on, but we didn't know what we =
didn't know until we started digging into it. Not too different from now =
- some people are freaking out, some people are being overly cavalier, =
because we just don't know and are learning new things every day.=20

It's different from a hurricane because we've had hurricanes, you can =
see it, you can see the damage it does, and you can figure out how to =
keep yourself safe, and how to survive. The virus, can't see it, don't =
fully know how it gets passed on, how will it damage +me+ vs. my =
neighbor, etc.=20

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">One problem that we will run =
into is that if the <br class=3D"">
measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a catastrophe, and =
<br class=3D"">
many people will complain, "Well, that was all for naught!" and won't =
<br class=3D"">
want to take appropriate measures next time.</blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Like Y2k.&nbsp; I'ts =
never been clear to me how much of the lack of catastrophe was due to =
overhype, and how much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and =
fixing it before it was a =
problem.&nbsp;</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Both. There was a lot of fixing that went on, but =
we didn't know what we didn't know until we started digging into it. Not =
too different from now - some people are freaking out, some people are =
being overly cavalier, because we just don't know and are learning new =
things every day.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>It's =
different from a hurricane because we've had hurricanes, you can see it, =
you can see the damage it does, and you can figure out how to keep =
yourself safe, and how to survive. The virus, can't see it, don't fully =
know how it gets passed on, how will it damage +me+ vs. my neighbor, =
etc.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>jim</div><br =
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Howdy,

As someone intimately involved with Y2k back in the day...

The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken with any dates
> 12/31/1999.  Now, those systems were all health insurance related, so
unlikely to cause everything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing
systems for utility companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment,
etc. etc. would also have been affected.

I don't think the world would have ended, but there was legitimately a year
or so of necessary work to make Y2k not being a thing that actually
happened.

FWIW.

Mark

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 involved with=C2=A0Y2k back in the day...<br><br>The software systems I wo=
rked on would for sure have broken with any dates &gt; 12/31/1999.=C2=A0 No=
w, those systems were all health insurance related, so unlikely to cause ev=
erything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility =
companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc. etc. would also=
 have been affected.<br><br>I don&#39;t think the world would have ended, b=
ut there was legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not be=
ing a thing that actually happened.<br><br>FWIW.<br><br>Mark</div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 17,=
 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">One problem that we will run into is that if the =
<br>
measures are sufficiently effective, we won&#39;t have a catastrophe, and <=
br>
many people will complain, &quot;Well, that was all for naught!&quot; and w=
on&#39;t <br>
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From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:50:51 -0500

Mark, as George Carlin said,  l think about how dumb the average person is, then realize half of them are dumber than that!”

Bob Nogueira 

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:55 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> As for me, I'll just shake my head in wonderment at the amazing rash of stupidity sweeping the world while I continue to plug away on keeping Team.Net on the air, as I've been doing for all these years.  And I'll hope that when I get overwhelmed by the hysteria I can still retreat to a nearby tavern for a relaxing pint.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> mjb.
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Doing ok and having fun with a cute woman I discovered on the couch after r=
unning out of garage projects.

King County, WA Epicenter resident here too.  63 years old and mostly barri=
caded at home, except for occasional 6 AM forays to Home Depot for project =
supplies and some back country skiing on and off Tuesday through Thursday t=
o avoid others.

On a positive note, I and I suspect many of you, have at least a couple of =
N95 masks in the garage, just in case.

Jack

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Mike Sincla=
ir via Shop-talk
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 2:23 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

Here in the US Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.  They are ev=
en talking about an evening curfew.  Not a whole lot one can do except be s=
afe and use common sense.  Here in King County we have 420 cases, with 37 c=
onfirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with compromised health to be=
gin with.  Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed dead''.

Mike
On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
All is well in Southampton, with only one community spread case in the area=
, although we worry how much longer that will last.  It is starting to feel=
 like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with summer homes has decided thi=
s is a better place to be than New York City and surrounding areas.  What t=
hey bring with them is the concern, especially as our hospital is pretty mu=
ch sized for the year round population, not the rich and famous who spend t=
heir summers - and now, virus shutdowns - with us.  Still, my family (daugh=
ter, son-in-law and granddaughter have joined the exodus and are staying wi=
th us for the duration) are all safe and healthy.  Long may that continue!

On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=

Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actual infection.  I think we a=
re still fewer than 25 cases in the state so far.  Schools are all closed a=
round here.  Our office has implemented optional work from home and mandato=
ry quarantine for returning travelers.  No outbound travel permitted.  Hope=
fully the prevention has kicked in and we won't see a bunch of new cases ar=
ound here.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <shop-talk@auto=
Covid-19 is around.  How are you doing?

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
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e woman I discovered on the couch after running out of garage projects.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060">King County, WA Epicenter resident=
 here too.&nbsp; 63 years old and mostly barricaded at home, except for occ=
asional 6 AM forays to Home Depot for project supplies
 and some back country skiing on and off Tuesday through Thursday to avoid =
others.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060">On a positive note, I and I suspec=
t many of you, have at least a couple of N95 masks in the garage, just in c=
ase.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#002060"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]=
eam.net&gt; <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 16, 2020 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">Here in the US=
 Ground Zero (Seattle), everything is shut down.&nbsp; They are even talkin=
g about an evening curfew.&nbsp; Not a whole lot one can do except be safe =
and use common sense.&nbsp; Here in King County we have 420
 cases, with 37 confirmed deaths, almost all of them in people with comprom=
ised health to begin with.&nbsp; Not sure what it means to be ''confirmed d=
ead''.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">Mike</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 3/16/2020 1:24 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All is well in Southampton, with only one community =
spread case in the area, although we worry how much longer that will last. =
&nbsp;It is starting to feel like summer in the Hamptons, as everyone with =
summer homes has decided this is a better
 place to be than New York City and surrounding areas. &nbsp;What they brin=
g with them is the concern, especially as our hospital is pretty much sized=
 for the year round population, not the rich and famous who spend their sum=
mers - and now, virus shutdowns - with
 us. &nbsp;Still, my family (daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter have jo=
ined the exodus and are staying with us for the duration) are all safe and =
healthy. &nbsp;Long may that continue!
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hope everyone else stays well, too. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mar 16, 2020, at 2:50 PM, John Innis via Shop-tal=
k &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Lots of precaution around Iowa, very little actua=
l infection.&nbsp; I think we are still fewer than 25 cases in the state so=
 far.&nbsp; Schools are all closed around here.&nbsp; Our office
 has implemented optional work from home and mandatory quarantine for retur=
ning travelers.&nbsp; No outbound travel permitted.&nbsp; Hopefully the pre=
vention has kicked in and we won't see a bunch of new cases around here.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:34 PM Philip Ethier via=
 Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Covid-19 is around.&nbsp; How are you doing?<br c=
lear=3D"all">
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  In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early.=C2=A0 The health commissioner =
in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing public spaces such as =
pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much derision as a result.=C2=
=A0 But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per 100,000 people, 1/8 of tha=
t of Philadelphia.=C2=A0 The results speak for them selves.
Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.
 =20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Cc: Shop-Talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

 On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
 =20
=20
=20
 =20
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:43 PM someone wrote:
  =C2=A0=20
This is no different then swine flu, bird flu, Sars, or any of the other ty=
pes of outbreaks we have recently had. =C2=A0But this one has the media wag=
ing the dog.=20
=20
=20
  I am not an epidemiologist.=C2=A0 But I do help to keep a high-containmen=
t infectious disease lab running, so some of this has rubbed off...=20
  This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are cousins on the virii f=
amily tree (Coronavirus is also called SARS-CoV-2).=C2=A0 It is like swine =
flu and bird flu, in that it seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.=20
  What makes it different is that it is a novel coronavirus.=C2=A0 That mea=
ns we haven't seen it before.   I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat it=
self, and doesn't rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the=
 same sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.=C2=A0 It's=
 now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an estimated =
50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was about 35-40% of what=
 it is now.=C2=A0 There are pandemics, and some of them have rather high de=
ath rates.=C2=A0 The rate of death from the Spanish flu was about 2%.=C2=A0=
 The CDC is estimating a rate of death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothi=
ng to sneeze at.=C2=A0 In hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, =
probably because in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to=
 care is less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from opportu=
nistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia.=C2=A0 The death r=
ate in this country each year from garden-variety influenza is about 0.1%, =
so we are dealing with something that is more virulent and has a much great=
er potential for harm, so, all in all, warnings to behave exceptionally bec=
ause the threat is exceptional are appropriate.=C2=A0 Does the media magnif=
y the threat?=C2=A0 Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the busin=
ess.=C2=A0 But, if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen =
to it, instead of the nitwits.=20
  Cheers.
 =20
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Michael Porter
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Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">In 1918, the flu hit the east coast early.&nbsp; The=
=20
health commissioner in St. Louis took early and drastic measures closing
 public spaces such as pubs, libraries, theaters and such and took much=20
derision as a result.&nbsp; But, the death rate in St. Louis was 347 per=20
100,000 people, 1/8 of that of Philadelphia.&nbsp; The results speak for th=
em
 selves.</font></div>

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</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is =
a recipe for disaster.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Michael Porter via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Shop-Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 7:46 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?<br>
<br>

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   =20
<div class=3D"yiv8396007816moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2020 6:06 PM, Jeff Scar=
brough
      via Shop-talk wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv8396007816gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at =
7:43
            PM someone wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
          </div>

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          <blockquote class=3D"yiv8396007816gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><=
font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri">This is no different then swine flu, bird
              flu, Sars, or any of the other types of outbreaks we have
              recently had.
              &nbsp;But this one has the media waging the dog.</font>
            <br clear=3D"none">
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
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         =20
<div>I am not an epidemiologist.&nbsp; But I do help to keep a
            high-containment infectious disease lab running, so some of
            this has rubbed off...</div>

         =20
<div><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>

         =20
<div>This is, of course, very much like SARS - they are
            cousins on the virii family tree (Coronavirus is also called
            SARS-CoV-2).&nbsp; It is like swine flu and bird flu, in that i=
t
            seems to be transmitted as an aerosol.</div>

         =20
<div><br clear=3D"none">
          </div>

         =20
<div>What makes it different is that it is a novel
            coronavirus.&nbsp; That means we haven't seen it before.</div>

        </div>

      </div>

   =20
   =20
<div>I'm thinking that history doesn't repeat itself, and doesn't
      rhyme (as Mark Twain averred) so much as it coughs up the same
      sort of phlegm every once in a while for the same reasons.&nbsp; It's
      now right around 100 years ago that the "Spanish" flu killed an
      estimated 50-60 million worldwide, when the world population was
      about 35-40% of what it is now.&nbsp; There <i>are</i> pandemics, and
      some of them have rather high death rates.&nbsp; The rate of death fr=
om
      the Spanish flu was about 2%.&nbsp; The CDC is estimating a rate of
      death from this virus of 3%, so it's nothing to sneeze at.&nbsp; In
      hard-hit regions, the death rate is around 4-5%, probably because
      in those populations, malnutrition is higher and access to care is
      less prevalent, and people are dying at a higher rate from
      opportunistic secondary infections, such as bacterial pneumonia.&nbsp=
;
      The death rate in this country each year from garden-variety
      influenza is about 0.1%, so we are dealing with something that is
      more virulent and has a much greater potential for harm, so, all
      in all, warnings to behave exceptionally because the threat is
      exceptional are appropriate.&nbsp; Does the media magnify the threat?=
&nbsp;
      Yeah, because getting eyeballs is the core of the business.&nbsp; But=
,
      if the advice comes from reputable sources, best to listen to it,
      instead of the nitwits.</div>

   =20
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    </div>

   =20
<div>Cheers.<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>

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    </div>

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I also worked in health insurance IT around Y2K.

There appeared to be two ways to fix it. One was to extend all date fields to accommodate the century. The other was to leave the date field as is and add logic where it was used to "do the right thing". It was assumed that most people were not over 100 years old so birthdays were assumed to be in the century appropriate for someone under 100. 01/01/00 was assumed to be in 2000, not 1900. Same way with dates of service, etc. ... assumed to be within the last 10 years.

Still took several years to go thru all the code that had been written over the last 20 years to get everything tested and working. All the effort turned it into a non-event.

Note that it will probably happen again with Y2K38 when the Linux epoch date rolls over but I am quite certain that will be somebody else's problem ;-}

On 3/17/20 10:35 AM, Mark Andy via Shop-talk wrote:
> The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken with any dates > 12/31/1999.  Now, those systems were all health insurance related, so unlikely to cause everything to just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc. etc. would also have been affected.
>
> I don't think the world would have ended, but there was legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not being a thing that actually happened.
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    <p>I also worked in health insurance IT around Y2K.</p>
    <p>There appeared to be two ways to fix it. One was to extend all
      date fields to accommodate the century. The other was to leave the
      date field as is and add logic where it was used to "do the right
      thing". It was assumed that most people were not over 100 years
      old so birthdays were assumed to be in the century appropriate for
      someone under 100. 01/01/00 was assumed to be in 2000, not 1900.
      Same way with dates of service, etc. ... assumed to be within the
      last 10 years.</p>
    <p>Still took several years to go thru all the code that had been
      written over the last 20 years to get everything tested and
      working. All the effort turned it into a non-event.</p>
    <p>Note that it will probably happen again with Y2K38 when the Linux
      epoch date rolls over but I am quite certain that will be somebody
      else's problem ;-}<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/20 10:35 AM, Mark Andy via
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        <div>As someone intimately involved with Y2k back in the day...<br>
          <br>
          The software systems I worked on would for sure have broken
          with any dates &gt; 12/31/1999.  Now, those systems were all
          health insurance related, so unlikely to cause everything to
          just shut off, but I would imagine billing systems for utility
          companies issuing shut off orders for lack of payment, etc.
          etc. would also have been affected.<br>
          <br>
          I don't think the world would have ended, but there was
          legitimately a year or so of necessary work to make Y2k not
          being a thing that actually happened.<br>
          <br>
          FWIW.<br>
          <br>
          Mark</div>
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            AM Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 17, 2020
                  at 9:33 AM Donald H Locker via Shop-talk &lt;<a
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                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">One problem that we
                  will run into is that if the <br>
                  measures are sufficiently effective, we won't have a
                  catastrophe, and <br>
                  many people will complain, "Well, that was all for
                  naught!" and won't <br>
                  want to take appropriate measures next time.</blockquote>
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                <div>Like Y2k.  I'ts never been clear to me how much of
                  the lack of catastrophe was due to overhype, and how
                  much was due to a bunch of people buckling down and
                  fixing it before it was a problem. </div>
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From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:46:38 -0400 03/19/2020 01:46:38 PM, Serialize complete at 03/19/2020 01:46:38 PM

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Dave writes
>Dealing with this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for 
disaster.

No disrespect to you, Dave, but your post brought up the problem I'm 
having with all this. None of this is directed at you or anyone here, just 
my frustration with this situation.

First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but 
there is never a whisper of it.  In fact, many of the people that are 
shaking in their boots now are the same people that parrot the 'I'm not 
getting a flu shot, that will just get me sick" manta.  But if they 
released an untested vaccine today, they would be lining up by the 
millions.  I hate hypocrisy.  (I'm not suggesting that you are in any way 
one of these people.)

Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this is 
the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without 
question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting 
for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding 
now.

Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda to 
sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is nothing 
more than any of the other flus that go around this time of year.  If the 
media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life 
would be much more predictable.  They will cause more panic before this is 
over.

I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will NOT 
change any habit as a result of this.  But I am getting more shop time and 
it's awesome!

One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my 
cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess I 
need to shop at better furniture stores!

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dave writes</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">&gt;</font><font size=3>Dealing with
this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">No disrespect to you, Dave, but your
post brought up the problem I'm having with all this. None of this is directed
at you or anyone here, just my frustration with this situation.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">First, we loose tens of thousands of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it. &nbsp;In
fact, many of the people that are shaking in their boots now are the same
people that parrot the 'I'm not getting a flu shot, that will just get
me sick&quot; manta. &nbsp;But if they released an untested vaccine today,
they would be lining up by the millions. &nbsp;I hate hypocrisy. &nbsp;(I'm
not suggesting that you are in any way one of these people.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Next, of course 'professionals' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days. &nbsp;Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question. &nbsp;I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Finally, the news networks (both sides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space. &nbsp;I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year. &nbsp;If the media wasn't crying about
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more predictable.
&nbsp;They will cause more panic before this is over.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.
&nbsp;But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">One more final note- &nbsp;I have looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with. &nbsp;8&gt;( &nbsp;I guess I need to shop at better furniture
stores!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:12:06 -0400

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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the flu, but =
there is never a whisper of it.

Based on the ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus =
is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to =
identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around =
for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are =
both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. etc.

>=20
> Next, of course 'professionals' in the industry will claim that this =
is the end of days.  Just look how money is flowing into labs without =
question.  I can't say I blame them, they have most likely been fighting =
for grants for the past decade, it makes sense to hype it up for funding =
now.=20

The corona virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. =
The more we encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from =
animals to humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally =
speaking.=20

>=20
> Finally, the news networks (both sides) have been driving this agenda =
to sell ad space.  I will stand by my guns here and say that this is =
nothing more than any of the other flus that go around this time of =
year.  If the media wasn't crying about a falling sky, people wouldn't =
panic and life would be much more predictable.  They will cause more =
panic before this is over.=20

People are free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded =
channel that best confirms their biases and frames of mind. The CDC news =
is free and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction =
to the news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because =
someone doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it =
seems overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because =
it seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a =
Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still walking around like =
they can't be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got =
sick from it, you'd never hear the end of it. There's your hypocricy.=20

>=20
> I say this as a person (almost 50) WITH respiratory issues and I will =
NOT change any habit as a result of this.

Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if =
you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real =
and have spread this thing far more than the sick people have.=20

>  But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!=20

I was completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun =
but short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a =
bicycle to ready.=20

>=20
> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under all my =
cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time with.  8>(  I guess =
I need to shop at better furniture stores!=20

Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet =
copressors :-D

jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">First, we loose tens of thousands of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of =
it.</font></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Based on the =
ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus is 10x =
deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to =
identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around =
for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are =
both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. =
etc.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Next, of =
course 'professionals' in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days. &nbsp;Just look how =
money
is flowing into labs without question. &nbsp;I can't say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.</font>
<br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>The corona =
virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. The more we =
encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from animals to =
humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally =
speaking.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Finally, =
the news networks (both sides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space. &nbsp;I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year. &nbsp;If the media wasn't crying about
a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be much more =
predictable.
&nbsp;They will cause more panic before this is over.</font>
<br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>People are =
free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded channel =
that best confirms their biases and frames of mind. The CDC news is free =
and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction to the =
news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because someone =
doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it seems =
overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because it =
seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a =
Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still walking around like =
they can't be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got =
sick from it, you'd never hear the end of it. There's your =
hypocricy.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I say =
this as a person (almost 50) WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of =
this.</font></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Then I wish you =
the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if you're out and =
about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread =
this thing far more than the sick people have.&nbsp;</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">
&nbsp;But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!</font>
<br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>I was =
completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun but =
short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a bicycle =
to ready.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">One more =
final note- &nbsp;I have looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to
spend time with. &nbsp;8&gt;( &nbsp;I guess I need to shop at better =
furniture
stores!</font>
<br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Maybe Amazon =
can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet copressors =
:-D</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>jim</div><div><br =
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I really can't add much to Jim's response, but I want to emphasize this:

"Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if
you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and
have spread this thing far more than the sick people have."

That's the gist of it.  Go to the CDC or the WHO or your state public
health agency for the information you need.   They will tell you that if
you /have? to go out among your neighbors, wash your hands, avoid groups,
and keep your distance.  Sure, it's a pain in the ass, but we are literally
all in this together, whether we like it or not.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:20 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <
> Based on the ridiculously small amount of testing we've done, this virus
> is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could change once testing is able to
> identify people who are asymptomatic, but still it's only been around for=
 3
> months. Comparing it to the flu is irrelevant except that they are both
> viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV, etc. etc.
>
>
> The corona virus family will not go away. This is #4 in our lifetimes. Th=
e
> more we encroach on wildlife, the more viruses will cross over from anima=
ls
> to humans. And we don't seem to be making fewer humans, globally speaking=
.
> would be much more predictable.  They will cause more panic before this i=
s
> over.
>
>
> People are free to buy their own news instead of choosing the ad-funded
is
> free and as accurate as we have. What's worse than the over-reaction to t=
he
> news is the under-reaction, or the resistance to react, because someone
> doesn't like the source. Refusing to believe the news because it seems
> overhyped is not differnet than refusing to get a flu shot because it see=
ms
> overhyped. My sister is a nurse in NY where everyone has a Godfather-like
> sense of entitlement and are still walking around like they can't be
> inconvenienced. Yet if one of their elderly relatives got sick from it,
> you'd never hear the end of it. There's your hypocricy.
>
>
> change any habit as a result of this.
>
>
> Then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't give it to anyone else if
> you're out and about feeling fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and
> have spread this thing far more than the sick people have.
>
>  But I am getting more shop time and it's awesome!
>
>
> I was completely unprepared in this regard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun bu=
t
> short-lived. Even once I decide on a compressor there is only a bicycle t=
o
> ready.
> Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a few good recommendations for quiet
> copressors :-D
>
> jim
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I really can&#39;t add much to Jim&#39;s response, but I w=
ant to emphasize this:<div><br><div>&quot;Then I wish you the best of luck.=
 Just don&#39;t give it to anyone else if you&#39;re out and about feeling =
fine. Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread this thing far mor=
e than the sick people have.&quot;</div></div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;=
s the gist of it.=C2=A0 Go to the CDC or the WHO or your state public healt=
h agency for the information you need.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They will tell you that =
if you /have? to go out among your neighbors, wash your hands, avoid groups=
, and keep your distance.=C2=A0 Sure, it&#39;s a pain in the ass, but we ar=
e literally all in this together, whether we like it or not.</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, M=
ar 19, 2020 at 2:20 PM Jim Franklin via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sho=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap:=
 break-word;"><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 19, 2020, =
at 1:46 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div>=
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, we loose tens of thousands =
of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it.</font></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div>Based on the ridiculously small amount of tes=
ting we&#39;ve done, this virus is 10x deadlier than the flu. That could ch=
ange once testing is able to identify people who are asymptomatic, but stil=
l it&#39;s only been around for 3 months. Comparing it to the flu is irrele=
vant except that they are both viruses. as is the common cold, herpes, HIV,=
 etc. etc.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Next, of course &#39;professionals=
&#39; in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.=C2=A0 Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The corona virus family will not go a=
way. This is #4 in our lifetimes. The more we encroach on wildlife, the mor=
e viruses will cross over from animals to humans. And we don&#39;t seem to =
be making fewer humans, globally speaking.=C2=A0</div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Finally, the news networks (both s=
ides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.=C2=A0 I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.=C2=A0 If the media wasn&#39;t crying abou=
t
a falling sky, people wouldn&#39;t panic and life would be much more predic=
table.
=C2=A0They will cause more panic before this is over.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>People are free to buy their own news=
 instead of choosing the ad-funded channel that best confirms their biases =
and frames of mind. The CDC news is free and as accurate as we have. What&#=
39;s worse than the over-reaction to the news is the under-reaction, or the=
 resistance to react, because someone doesn&#39;t like the source. Refusing=
 to believe the news because it seems overhyped is not differnet than refus=
ing to get a flu shot because it seems overhyped. My sister is a nurse in N=
Y where everyone has a Godfather-like sense of entitlement and are still wa=
lking around like they can&#39;t be inconvenienced. Yet if one of their eld=
erly relatives got sick from it, you&#39;d never hear the end of it. There&=
#39;s your hypocricy.=C2=A0</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I say this as a person (almost 50)=
 WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.</fo=
nt></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Then I wish you the best of luck. Just=
 don&#39;t give it to anyone else if you&#39;re out and about feeling fine.=
 Asymptomatic vectors are very real and have spread this thing far more tha=
n the sick people have.=C2=A0</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">
=C2=A0But I am getting more shop time and it&#39;s awesome!</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I was completely unprepared in this r=
egard. The BBQ flab=C3=A9 was fun but short-lived. Even once I decide on a =
compressor there is only a bicycle to ready.=C2=A0</div><div><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One more final note- =C2=A0I have =
looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn&#39;t find ANY women to
spend time with. =C2=A08&gt;( =C2=A0I guess I need to shop at better furnit=
ure
stores!</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Maybe Amazon can help? We now have a =
few good recommendations for quiet copressors :-D</div><div><br></div><div>=
jim</div><div><br></div><br></div>_________________________________________=
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:13:17 -0700

> First, we loose tens of thousands of people each year to the 
> flu, but there is never a whisper of it. 

And the current projection is that we may lose over 2 million people to this
new form of flu.  Any form of death that suddenly jumps by a factor of 100
(estimated) is bound to attract attention.

> I will stand by my guns here 
> and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus 
> that go around this time of year.

Ok, maybe it's no worse than the Spanish flu.  But the Spanish flu killed
more people worldwide than died in WWI.

>  If the media wasn't crying 
> about a falling sky, people wouldn't panic and life would be 
> much more predictable.

True; but that prediction currently includes a roughly 1% chance of drowning
in your own phlegm, because there aren't enough ventilators and hospital
beds to go around.  Crappy way for anyone to die, even if it doesn't get you
personally.

I suppose, to a large extent, it boils down to what a human life is worth.
But every one of those 2.2 million potential deaths is someone's son, or
daughter, or grandkid, or grandparent, etc.  So maybe they are worth trying
to save after all.

> One more final note-  I have looked in all my sofas, under 
> all my cushions, and I didn't find ANY women to spend time 
> with.  8>(  I guess I need to shop at better furniture stores! 

And perhaps that is part of the issue.  Even though my first wife already
passed, I do have some great-grandkids that I want to grow up happy and
healthy even if I'm not there to see it.

-- Randall

[email-masked]

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From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:31:23 -0400 03/19/2020 06:31:26 PM, Serialize complete at 03/19/2020 06:31:26 PM

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I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a war 
or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let me 
know)

But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this is 
a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.

A few rebuttals, 

Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, 
however, I believe there are 2 main reasons for that.
1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places have 
poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and 
elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better than 
the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average modern 
populations. 

2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) that 
got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and never 
reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but 
you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you had.  This will 
artificially inflate fatality statistics.

So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the 
Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine 
worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same 
amount of deaths.

For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost two 
weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in our 
state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person to die 
here had just about every major issue you can think of. 
Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  But 
these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted as 
well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in the 
rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. People 
see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the 
"aggravating factors for each person" facts.

My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. 
Entire cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People 
losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus 
packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed 
for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people 
that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called 
'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have 
been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is 
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast 
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek 
episode.)

Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and supplies 
as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering by the 
media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority of people 
just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how mis-informed 
they are. I can say without reservations that the people on this list are 
unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, but go talk to 
the average person on the street if you want to see how mis-informed 
people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the speaker of the house 
is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 
people even had an educated guess.) 

Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of 
educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat 
classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)

Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people will 
completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?

I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is already 
enough of a bummer.

To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to 
get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to 
pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is happening 
when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.

Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I don't 
want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list has been 
a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and ever one of 
you opinions and advice.

Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed 
something.  8>)

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I do appreciate everyone's comments here.
&nbsp;I'm not trying to start a war or anything, and I will stop if no
one wants to hear my side (just let me know)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">But I'm guessing we all have some extra
time on our hands now and this is a great way to stay in touch with others,
without risk.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">A few rebuttals, </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Yes, they are saying that this seems
to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe there are 2 main reasons
for that.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1-where it started, china then moved
to Iran. &nbsp;Both of these places have poor nutrition, poor medical care
(and even poorer access to it.), and elderly populations. &nbsp;Italy also
has poor medical care (albeit better than the other two.) &nbsp;So fatalities
were higher than average modern populations. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2-Then, there is most likely a vast
populations (even in those areas) that got the virus, and shrugged it off
as the flu, got better, and never reported it. &nbsp;So that means that
you can track 100% of the fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick
but were fine' people you had. &nbsp;This will artificially inflate fatality
statistics.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst.
Next, comparing this to the Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more
advance medical machine worldwide now. &nbsp;Even if that flu hit today,
there wouldn't be the same amount of deaths.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">For my job. I have been living and breathing
this stuff for almost two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every
aspect. &nbsp;The victims in our state all had other serious health issues.
In fact the first person to die here had just about every major issue you
can think of. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am
not trying to down play it. &nbsp;But these were all people that the flu
most likely would have impacted as well. &nbsp;It doesn't make it any less
tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest of the population for something
they can't see the details on. People see a &quot;number of fatalities&quot;
statistic. &nbsp;But they don't see the &quot;aggravating factors for each
person&quot; facts.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">My point is that the response may be
way worst than the virus itself. Entire cities/states/countries shutting
down. &nbsp;Livelihoods lost. &nbsp;People losing jobs, and means to support
their families. Even with stimulus packages (that further reduce the dollars
worth) business will be closed for good, jobs that don't come back. All
because populations of people that were vulnerable to the flu or other
viruses, contracted one called 'covid-19.' &nbsp;If they contracted the
regular flu and died, it would have been like any other year. I hate to
sound so insensitive, but it is because I'm rooting for the whole society
and what's best for the vast majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot
to an original Star Trek episode.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Populations are panicking, I hope we
don't see riots for food and supplies as people are being bombarded with
more and more fear mongering by the media. And yes, people choose their
media,but the vast majority of people just watch one side of the 24h networks
and have no idea how mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations
that the people on this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed
and educated' group, but go talk to the average person on the street if
you want to see how mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100
people &quot;who the speaker of the house is?&quot; &nbsp;I'd be amaze
if you got 10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people even had an educated
guess.) &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Even if it doesn't come to riots, the
stress on people, the loss of educational opportunities (many college students
may have to repeat classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Or, if there is a REAL emergency that
comes later, how many people will completely ignore it because covid-19
was a big nothing burger?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm not even going to go into my future
prediction, as this is already enough of a bummer.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">To leave on a positive note, it is awesome
that most families are going to get to spend a ton of time together. &nbsp;It's
great that we get time to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great
that this is happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Please feel free to comment, I will
not respond unless asked to as I don't want this to drag out unless there
is enough interest. &nbsp;This list has been a great resource for me for
decades, and I respect each and ever one of you opinions and advice.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa
cushions to see if I missed something. &nbsp;8&gt;)<br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 20:12:51 -0400

But we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the US. 
We are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a 
mortality rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. 
(China in general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan 
is a very modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality 
rate was 4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. 
Italy's mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) 
as of 15 minutes ago.

This is not a disease to take lightly from all the evidence.

We'll be able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because 
we will have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate 
precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we 
should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint 
water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.

Donald.

On 2020-03-19 6:31 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let 
> me know)
> 
> But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and this 
> is a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.
> 
> A few rebuttals,
> 
> elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit better 
> than the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average modern 
> populations.
> 
> 2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) 
> that got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and 
> never reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the 
> fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you 
> had.  This will artificially inflate fatality statistics.
> 
> weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims in 
> our state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first person 
> to die here had just about every major issue you can think of.
> well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear in 
> the rest of the population for something they can't see the details on. 
> People see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see the 
> Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and 
> supplies as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering 
> by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority 
> of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how 
> mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations that the people on 
> this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, 
> but go talk to the average person on the street if you want to see how 
> mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the 
> speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers 
> (and if more than 20 people even had an educated guess.)
> 
> To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going 
> to get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get time to 
> Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I 
> don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list 
> has been a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and 
> ever one of you opinions and advice.
> 
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?

[email-masked]

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From: Bill Rabel via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:36:46 -0700

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Italy is experiencing what happens when there is a surge of patients =
that overwhelms the facilities that have to deal with them. Read this =
article from the Wall Street Journal.

Yes, Flatten the Curve

 =
<https://www.wsj.com/articles/yes-flatten-the-curve-11584571566?emailToken=
=3Dc88fc14202045fe10c3c5f23e00da591tk9bWtzKEEOEm+N8VgtDUItbwMMzWA2cJrcff3c=
jz2BePIvZ8cEAosLA8TEa0BYP1JoiVUyiGqRes8QPSmJgEg%3D%3D&reflink=3Darticle_em=
ail_share>- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes
  Sheltering In Place with a Gin & Tonic at the moment

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> But we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the =
US. We are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a =
mortality rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. =
(China in general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan =
is a very modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality =
rate was 4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. =
Italy's mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) =
as of 15 minutes ago.
> We'll be able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because =
we will have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate =
precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we =
should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint =
water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.
>> I do appreciate everyone's comments here.  I'm not trying to start a =
war or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just =
let me know)
>> But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on our hands now and =
this is a great way to stay in touch with others, without risk.
>> A few rebuttals,
>> Yes, they are saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, =
>> 1-where it started, china then moved to Iran.  Both of these places =
have poor nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), =
and elderly populations.  Italy also has poor medical care (albeit =
better than the other two.)  So fatalities were higher than average =
modern populations.
>> 2-Then, there is most likely a vast populations (even in those areas) =
that got the virus, and shrugged it off as the flu, got better, and =
never reported it.  So that means that you can track 100% of the =
fatalities, but you do not know how many 'sick but were fine' people you =
had.  This will artificially inflate fatality statistics.
>> So, that is why it may SEEM to be worst. Next, comparing this to the =
Spanish flu is unfair as we have a way more advance medical machine =
worldwide now.  Even if that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same =
amount of deaths.
>> For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for almost =
two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect.  The victims =
in our state all had other serious health issues. In fact the first =
person to die here had just about every major issue you can think of.
>> Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not trying to down play it.  =
But these were all people that the flu most likely would have impacted =
as well.  It doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does instill fear =
in the rest of the population for something they can't see the details =
on. People see a "number of fatalities" statistic.  But they don't see =
the "aggravating factors for each person" facts.
>> My point is that the response may be way worst than the virus itself. =
Entire cities/states/countries shutting down.  Livelihoods lost.  People =
losing jobs, and means to support their families. Even with stimulus =
packages (that further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed =
for good, jobs that don't come back. All because populations of people =
that were vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called =
'covid-19.'  If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would have =
been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is =
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast =
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek =
episode.)
>> Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see riots for food and =
supplies as people are being bombarded with more and more fear mongering =
by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but the vast majority =
of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and have no idea how =
mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations that the people on =
this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed and educated' group, =
but go talk to the average person on the street if you want to see how =
mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 people "who the =
speaker of the house is?"  I'd be amaze if you got 10 correct answers =
(and if more than 20 people even had an educated guess.)
>> Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on people, the loss of =
educational opportunities (many college students may have to repeat =
classes or entire semesters, delaying their graduations.)
>> Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes later, how many people =
will completely ignore it because covid-19 was a big nothing burger?
>> I'm not even going to go into my future prediction, as this is =
already enough of a bummer.
>> To leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are =
going to get to spend a ton of time together.  It's great that we get =
time to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is =
happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.
>> Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked to as I =
don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest.  This list =
has been a great resource for me for decades, and I respect each and =
ever one of you opinions and advice.
>> Now, I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed =
something.  8>)
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
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class=3D"">Italy is experiencing what happens when there is a surge of =
patients that overwhelms the facilities that have to deal with them. =
Read this article from the Wall Street Journal.</p><a =
href=3D"https://www.wsj.com/articles/yes-flatten-the-curve-11584571566?ema=
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class=3D"">- Bill Rabel</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Anacortes</div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp; Sheltering In Place with a Gin &amp; Tonic at the =
moment</div><div class=3D""><br =
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Donald H Locker via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">But =
we know that Italy has good health care, as does Germany and the US. We =
are succumbing because the virus is more dangerous and has a mortality =
rate that exceeds that of influenza by a factor of 20x-40x. (China in =
general may not have the best of health everywhere, but Wuhan is a very =
modern, sophisticated, healthy city. Even there, the mortality rate was =
4.6% (3130/67800 as of today) - that is HUGE by any measure. Italy's =
mortality rate is 8.3% (3405/41035); USA is at 1.5% (200/13680) as of 15 =
minutes ago.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is not a disease to take =
lightly from all the evidence.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We'll be =
able to tell if we haven't taken adequate precautions because we will =
have a catastrophe. If we take adequate or more-than adequate =
precautions, we will have a nothingburger - that is the goal and we =
should all strive for it, IMO. The catastrophe scenario (1918 Flu, Flint =
water, Fukushima) is not one I wish on anyone.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Donald.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">*Plain Text* email -- =
it's an accessibility issue<br class=3D"">() no proprietary attachments; =
no html mail<br class=3D"">/\ &lt;<a =
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class=3D"">https://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml</a>&g=
t;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 2020-03-19 6:31 p.m., eric--- via =
Shop-talk wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">I do =
appreciate everyone's comments here. &nbsp;I'm not trying to start a war =
or anything, and I will stop if no one wants to hear my side (just let =
me know)<br class=3D"">But I'm guessing we all have some extra time on =
our hands now and this is a great way to stay in touch with others, =
without risk.<br class=3D"">A few rebuttals,<br class=3D"">Yes, they are =
saying that this seems to be more fatal then the flu, however, I believe =
there are 2 main reasons for that.<br class=3D"">1-where it started, =
china then moved to Iran. &nbsp;Both of these places have poor =
nutrition, poor medical care (and even poorer access to it.), and =
elderly populations. &nbsp;Italy also has poor medical care (albeit =
better than the other two.) &nbsp;So fatalities were higher than average =
modern populations.<br class=3D"">2-Then, there is most likely a vast =
populations (even in those areas) that got the virus, and shrugged it =
off as the flu, got better, and never reported it. &nbsp;So that means =
that you can track 100% of the fatalities, but you do not know how many =
'sick but were fine' people you had. &nbsp;This will artificially =
inflate fatality statistics.<br class=3D"">So, that is why it may SEEM =
to be worst. Next, comparing this to the Spanish flu is unfair as we =
have a way more advance medical machine worldwide now. &nbsp;Even if =
that flu hit today, there wouldn't be the same amount of deaths.<br =
class=3D"">For my job. I have been living and breathing this stuff for =
almost two weeks. We are taking a in depth look at every aspect. =
&nbsp;The victims in our state all had other serious health issues. In =
fact the first person to die here had just about every major issue you =
can think of.<br class=3D"">Is it sad people are dying? Yes. I am not =
trying to down play it. &nbsp;But these were all people that the flu =
most likely would have impacted as well. &nbsp;It doesn't make it any =
less tragic, but it does instill fear in the rest of the population for =
something they can't see the details on. People see a "number of =
fatalities" statistic. &nbsp;But they don't see the "aggravating factors =
for each person" facts.<br class=3D"">My point is that the response may =
be way worst than the virus itself. Entire cities/states/countries =
shutting down. &nbsp;Livelihoods lost. &nbsp;People losing jobs, and =
means to support their families. Even with stimulus packages (that =
further reduce the dollars worth) business will be closed for good, jobs =
that don't come back. All because populations of people that were =
vulnerable to the flu or other viruses, contracted one called =
'covid-19.' &nbsp;If they contracted the regular flu and died, it would =
have been like any other year. I hate to sound so insensitive, but it is =
because I'm rooting for the whole society and what's best for the vast =
majority. (yes, I'm sure sounds like the plot to an original Star Trek =
episode.)<br class=3D"">Populations are panicking, I hope we don't see =
riots for food and supplies as people are being bombarded with more and =
more fear mongering by the media. And yes, people choose their media,but =
the vast majority of people just watch one side of the 24h networks and =
have no idea how mis-informed they are. I can say without reservations =
that the people on this list are unequivocally in the 'better informed =
and educated' group, but go talk to the average person on the street if =
you want to see how mis-informed people are. A good test is to ask 100 =
people "who the speaker of the house is?" &nbsp;I'd be amaze if you got =
10 correct answers (and if more than 20 people even had an educated =
guess.)<br class=3D"">Even if it doesn't come to riots, the stress on =
people, the loss of educational opportunities (many college students may =
have to repeat classes or entire semesters, delaying their =
graduations.)<br class=3D"">Or, if there is a REAL emergency that comes =
later, how many people will completely ignore it because covid-19 was a =
big nothing burger?<br class=3D"">I'm not even going to go into my =
future prediction, as this is already enough of a bummer.<br class=3D"">To=
 leave on a positive note, it is awesome that most families are going to =
get to spend a ton of time together. &nbsp;It's great that we get time =
to pursue our passions and hobbies. It is also great that this is =
happening when we are entering spring and the weather is breaking.<br =
class=3D"">Please feel free to comment, I will not respond unless asked =
to as I don't want this to drag out unless there is enough interest. =
&nbsp;This list has been a great resource for me for decades, and I =
respect each and ever one of you opinions and advice.<br class=3D"">Now, =
I'm going back to look in the sofa cushions to see if I missed =
something. &nbsp;8&gt;)<br class=3D"">"Be as beneficent as the sun or =
the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on =
the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson<br class=3D"">-Who =
is John Galt?<br =
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I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
It takes twenty seconds
I'm washing my hands

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b(235,244,249)">I&#39;m washing my hands</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(37,44=
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l,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(235,244,249)">I&#3=
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,249)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(37,44,47);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verda=
na,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(235,244,249)"></span><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(37,44,47);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(235,244,249)"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(37,44,47);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(235,244,249)">I&#39;m washing my hands</span><br style=
=3D"color:rgb(37,44,47);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;background-color:rgb(235,244,249)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(37,4=
4,47);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;backgro=
und-color:rgb(235,244,249)">I&#39;m washing my hands</span><br style=3D"col=
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3px;background-color:rgb(235,244,249)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(37,44,47);f=
ont-family:Helvetica,Arial,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-col=
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From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:56:54 -0500

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Eric, I can't square your outlook with what has happened in northern Italy.

> need to shop at better furniture stores!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Eric, I can&#39;t square your outlook with what has h=
appened in northern Italy.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM eric--- via Shop=
-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Dave writes</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">&gt;</font><font size=3D"3">Dealin=
g with
this situation with wishful thinking is a recipe for disaster.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">No disrespect to you, Dave, but yo=
ur
post brought up the problem I&#39;m having with all this. None of this is d=
irected
at you or anyone here, just my frustration with this situation.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, we loose tens of thousands =
of
people each year to the flu, but there is never a whisper of it.=C2=A0 In
fact, many of the people that are shaking in their boots now are the same
people that parrot the &#39;I&#39;m not getting a flu shot, that will just =
get
me sick&quot; manta.=C2=A0 But if they released an untested vaccine today,
they would be lining up by the millions.=C2=A0 I hate hypocrisy. =C2=A0(I&#=
39;m
not suggesting that you are in any way one of these people.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Next, of course &#39;professionals=
&#39; in the
industry will claim that this is the end of days.=C2=A0 Just look how money
is flowing into labs without question.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t say I blame them,
they have most likely been fighting for grants for the past decade, it
makes sense to hype it up for funding now.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Finally, the news networks (both s=
ides)
have been driving this agenda to sell ad space.=C2=A0 I will stand by my
guns here and say that this is nothing more than any of the other flus
that go around this time of year.=C2=A0 If the media wasn&#39;t crying abou=
t
a falling sky, people wouldn&#39;t panic and life would be much more predic=
table.
=C2=A0They will cause more panic before this is over.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I say this as a person (almost 50)=
 WITH
respiratory issues and I will NOT change any habit as a result of this.
=C2=A0But I am getting more shop time and it&#39;s awesome!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One more final note- =C2=A0I have =
looked
in all my sofas, under all my cushions, and I didn&#39;t find ANY women to
spend time with. =C2=A08&gt;( =C2=A0I guess I need to shop at better furnit=
ure
stores!</font>
<br>
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From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:06:43 -0400 03/20/2020 10:06:44 AM, Serialize complete at 03/20/2020 10:06:44 AM

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Philip writes the hand washing song.  But, a all things geek, I need to 
make it work better, so here it is as a series of haikus!

I'm washing my hands
There is COVID-19 here
It's bright in the loo

I'm washing my hands
for twenty seconds, I scrub
Why is that guy here?

He's looking at me
But the germs are washed away
Where do they go now? 

Peace and calm, I am
Fear? I do not fear anything
Smaller than a van

From:   Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To:     Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Cc:     shop-talk List <[email-masked]>
Date:   03/20/2020 09:49
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
It takes twenty seconds
I'm washing my hands

[email-masked]
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Philip writes the hand washing song. &nbsp;But,
a all things geek, I need to make it work better, so here it is as a series
of haikus!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm washing my hands</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">There is COVID-19 here</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">It's bright in the loo</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm washing my hands</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">for twenty seconds, I scrub</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">Why is that guy here?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">He's looking at me</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">But the germs are washed away</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">Where do they go now? </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Peace and calm, I am</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Fear? I do not fear anything</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Smaller than a van</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Philip Ethier via Shop-talk
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Philip Ethier &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">shop-talk List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">03/20/2020 09:49</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
everybody OK with Covid-19?</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial">I'm washing my hands<br>
I'm washing my hands<br>
There's COVID-19 here<br>
I'm washing my hands</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color=#2f2f2f face="Arial"><br>
I'm washing my hands<br>
I'm washing my hands<br>
It takes twenty seconds<br>
I'm washing my hands</font>
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:20:10 +0000 (UTC)

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From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk List <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
There's COVID-19 here
I'm washing my hands

I'm washing my hands
I'm washing my hands
It takes twenty seconds
I'm washing my hands

[email-masked]

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From: Philip Ethier via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Philip Ethier &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: shop-talk List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2020 8:49 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] everybody OK with Covid-19?<br>
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:13:14 -0400

I thought his hands were clean enough after all the soap. Oh, well.

Donald.

On 2020-03-20 10:20 a.m., DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk wrote:
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From: Arvid via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:25:01 -0500

Just got an email from HF with a coupon ... 27052229 ... good thru April 5th for the 2hp ultra-quiet compressor for $129.99.

If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.

Arvid

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From: David Scheidt via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:19:49 -0500

> If anyone wants one but did not get the email let me know and I'll forward it to you.

You don't need the coupon, just the number on it.  Cashiers are
perfectly happy to type it in.
Most HF coupons appear at HFQPD.com eventually:
http://www.hfqpdb.com/best_coupon/FORTRESS+2+GALLON%2C+1.2+HP%2C+135+PSI+ULTRA-QUIET%2C+OIL-FREE+PROFESSIONAL+AIR+COMPRESSOR

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