Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fence posts

From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 06:15:11 -0400

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How about some plastic door/window shims?  Cheap enough, and you should be
able to jam them between the post and the concrete.  Bonus is you can use
two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up.  (Two, assuming the rails
will hold it plum from side to side, otherwise four to hold it
independently of the efence).

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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> Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to
> fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts
> appear to be in good condition,  ie: no rot, except for the fact they are
> set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on
> the concrete.
> What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?
> I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
> Bob Nogueira
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<div dir=3D"ltr">How about some plastic door/window shims?=C2=A0 Cheap enou=
gh, and you should be able to jam them between the post and the concrete.=
=C2=A0 Bonus is you can use two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up=
.=C2=A0 (Two, assuming the rails will hold it plum=C2=A0from side to side, =
otherwise four to hold it independently of the efence).<div><br></div><div>=
Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at=
 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fi=
x. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts app=
ear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact they are=
 set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on =
the concrete.<br>
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? <br>
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.<br>
Bob Nogueira <br>
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:41:48 -0400

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I would do this, even cedar shims would likely last long enough, or pour =
more cement (with no aggregate) into the gaps.=20

jim

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> How about some plastic door/window shims?  Cheap enough, and you =
should be able to jam them between the post and the concrete.  Bonus is =
you can use two or four per hole if you need to plumb it up.  (Two, =
assuming the rails will hold it plum from side to side, otherwise four =
to hold it independently of the efence).
>=20
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>=20
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk =
>=20
> Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need =
to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the =
posts appear to be in good condition,  ie: no rot, except for the fact =
they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts =
are loose on the concrete.
> What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?=20
> Bob Nogueira=20
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would do this, even cedar shims would likely last long enough, or pour =
more cement (with no aggregate) into the gaps.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br =
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class=3D"">How about some plastic door/window shims?&nbsp; Cheap enough, =
and you should be able to jam them between the post and the =
concrete.&nbsp; Bonus is you can use two or four per hole if you need to =
plumb it up.&nbsp; (Two, assuming the rails will hold it plum&nbsp;from =
side to side, otherwise four to hold it independently of the =
efence).<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jeff =
Scarbrough</div><div class=3D"">Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br =
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Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to =
fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the =
posts appear to be in good condition,&nbsp; ie: no rot, except for the =
fact they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the =
posts are loose on the concrete.<br class=3D"">
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? <br =
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I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.<br =
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From: nick brearley via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:06:04 +0000

I would try expanding pu foam. Used it in the past for similar needs and 
been surprised at its durability. Got the idea after seeing it used for 
fixing median safety barriers. Concrete block cast in the ground with a 
hole in, post dropped in the hole during fence fix then foamed into 
place. Got the impression it was a temporary job during road works. But 
even so it was beside live traffic so you imagine somebody signed it off 
as suitable.

Cheap and easy.

Nick Brearley

On 16/03/2020 04:12, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote:
> Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts appear to be in good condition,  ie: no rot, except for the fact they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on the concrete.
> I’m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
> Bob Nogueira
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:20:19 -0700

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Hi Bob,

I have not tried it for your particular application here, but polymeric
sand might work well. It is the sand that you use to lock pavers into place=
:

https://www.acehardware.com/departments/building-supplies/concrete-cement-a=
nd-masonry/sand-and-gravel/5409594?x429=3Dtrue&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI55_S5_ye=
6AIVlBh9Ch3YfAHlEAQYASABEgKeCPD_BwE&gclsrc=3Daw.ds

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Bob,<div><br></div><div>I have not tried it for your pa=
rticular application here, but polymeric sand might work well. It is the sa=
nd that you use to lock pavers=C2=A0into place:</div><div><br></div><div><a=
 href=3D"https://www.acehardware.com/departments/building-supplies/concrete=
-cement-and-masonry/sand-and-gravel/5409594?x429=3Dtrue&amp;gclid=3DEAIaIQo=
bChMI55_S5_ye6AIVlBh9Ch3YfAHlEAQYASABEgKeCPD_BwE&amp;gclsrc=3Daw.ds">https:=
//www.acehardware.com/departments/building-supplies/concrete-cement-and-mas=
onry/sand-and-gravel/5409594?x429=3Dtrue&amp;gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMI55_S5_ye6A=
IVlBh9Ch3YfAHlEAQYASABEgKeCPD_BwE&amp;gclsrc=3Daw.ds</a>=C2=A0</div><div>=
=C2=A0<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:06 AM nick brearley via Shop-talk=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I =
would try expanding pu foam. Used it in the past for similar needs and <br>
been surprised at its durability. Got the idea after seeing it used for <br=
fixing median safety barriers. Concrete block cast in the ground with a <br=
hole in, post dropped in the hole during fence fix then foamed into <br>
place. Got the impression it was a temporary job during road works. But <br=
even so it was beside live traffic so you imagine somebody signed it off <b=
r>
as suitable.<br>
<br>
Cheap and easy.<br>
<br>
Nick Brearley<br>
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&gt; Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need =
to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the post=
s appear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact the=
y are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loos=
e on the concrete.<br>
&gt; What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?<br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.<br>
&gt; Bob Nogueira<br>
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From: John Miller via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:39:02 -0700

On 3/16/2020 3:15 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
> How about some plastic door/window shims? 

I was thinking Simpson foundation epoxy.

John.

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I've used crushed granite (fine gray gravel) for this on my posts.  In
fact, I only used concrete on the corners and the line posts are just set
in CG.  The upside is that it self-settles around the post and is easy to
top-off.  Note, this is crushed granite, which forms a hard pack versus
composed granite, which makes for soft walking paths.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve used crushed granite (fine gray gravel) for this =
on my posts.=C2=A0 In fact, I only used concrete=C2=A0on the corners and th=
e line posts are just set in CG.=C2=A0 The upside is that=C2=A0it self-sett=
les around the post and is easy to top-off.=C2=A0 Note, this is crushed gra=
nite, which forms a hard pack versus composed granite, which makes=C2=A0for=
 soft walking paths.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:12 AM Robert Nog=
ueirao via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><br>
Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fi=
x. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts app=
ear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for the fact they are=
 set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on =
the concrete.<br>
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes? <br>
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.<br>
Bob Nogueira <br>
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From: Bob Kegel via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
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You could pour fine sand in the gap between post and concrete. Whack the po=
st to settle it and follow with water to compact it. I=E2=80=99ve set posts=
 using beach sand and they were rock-solid for at least 5 years.

Bob K

From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 21:12
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Fence posts

Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape that I need to fi=
x. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new wood the posts app=
ear to be in good condition,  ie: no rot, except for the fact they are set =
in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the posts are loose on the c=
oncrete.
What would be the easiest way to firm up the posts in those holes?=20
I=E2=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.
Bob Nogueira=20

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>You could pour fine sand in the gap =
between post and concrete. Whack the post to settle it and follow with wate=
r to compact it. I=E2=80=99ve set posts using beach sand and they were rock=
-solid for at least 5 years.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob K<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:sol=
id #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'b=
order:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net">Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, March 15, =
2020 21:12<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Shop T=
alk</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Shop-talk] Fence posts</p></div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>Folks, I have a 4 foot high cedar wood fence in bad shape th=
at I need to fix. While I will replacing the rails and pickets with new woo=
d the posts appear to be in good condition,=C2=A0 ie: no rot, except for th=
e fact they are set in concrete and the posts have shrunk a bit so the post=
s are loose on the concrete.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>What would be the easi=
est way to firm up the posts in those holes? </p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=
=80=99m only looking for a fix that will last 5 or so years.</p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Bob Nogueira </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div>=
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From: Jack Brooks via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 03:25:45 +0000

When I have a bad post, but the concrete is good, I yank the post, often in pieces, bit, by bit, plane down the new post so it fits easily, then pile up construction sand around the base of the post.  Wiggle it around for a few minutes and it'll lock in place.  In another month, with some rain, etc., it's like you put it in new concrete.

One back of sand should solve your issue.

Jack

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