Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring

From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:29:34 -0400

I'm normally a DIY-kind of guy.   But there are some things where the 
price of goofing is just too high.  For me, garage door springs fall 
into that domain and I'm willing (not necessarily happy, mind you, but 
willing) to pay a tech to come out to deal with them.  It's not that I 
cannot learn to do it, it's just that a rookie mistake might lead to a 
permanent injury.  Given that a garage spring is one of those things 
that you probably only mess with once or twice (when I mine broke, the 
tech replaced it with a larger spring and said he'd be shocked if the 
new one didn't last at least 30 years), the amortized cost of paying 
someone else to take those risks is pretty small.

On 10/14/19 11:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove the 
> old door.
>
>
> Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency 
> room visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.
>
>
> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the 
> real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends 
> from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door 
> panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?
>
>
> And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid 
> smashed skulls or broken limbs?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Scott
>
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 06:41:49 -0400

I did it myself. Two steel rounds to provide leverage on the torsion shaft, 
moving them alternately around the torsion shaft, one holding the shaft in 
place and moving the second one to the next hole, picking up the tension on 
that one, the moving the first. After about two revolutions (eight holes) 
all tension was off; most tension was gone by 3/4 revolution.

I would NOT recommend doing it yourself unless you are strong, confident, 
careful, thoughtful, and have good insurance. And NEVER stand in the line 
of the lever; always to the side of it.

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On 14-Oct-2019 23:39, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove the old door.
> 
> 
> Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room 
> visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.
> 
> 
> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the real 
> people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the 
> door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do 
> I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?
> 
> 
> And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid smashed 
> skulls or broken limbs?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
> 

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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:51:26 -0400

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You need to de-tension the spring first - the spring is trying to pick up
the door with the cable when it's down, and you would need to replace the
weight of the door with a secure fastening - I'm not sure what that would
look like, or how you would maneuver the cable from the door to the
temporary restraint.  AS for the spring, I used to be in the garage door
business.  I did this all the time.  And I have a healthy respect for that
spring - there's a lot of potential energy there that can go kinetic in the
blink of an eye.

As described elsewhere, you just use two rods...but...they have to match
the sockets very closely or they can slip out.  And you need to keep your
skull out of the way of the rods.  And even if you do it just right, you
can still get hurt.

There's no shame in calling in a professional who can let the tension off,
swap the door out, and properly re-tension it for the weight of the new
door.  And depending on the age of the springs, they could be replaced at
the same time.  They break from time to time, and that's no fun...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">You need to de-tension the spring first - the spring is tr=
ying to pick up the door with the cable when it&#39;s down, and you would n=
eed to replace the weight of the door with a secure fastening - I&#39;m not=
 sure what that would look like, or how you would maneuver the cable from t=
he door to the temporary restraint.=C2=A0 AS for the spring, I used to be i=
n the garage door business.=C2=A0 I did this all the time.=C2=A0 And I have=
 a healthy respect for that spring - there&#39;s a lot of potential energy =
there that can go kinetic in the blink of an eye.<div><br></div><div>As des=
cribed elsewhere, you just use two rods...but...they have to match the sock=
ets very closely or they can slip out.=C2=A0 And you need to keep your skul=
l out of the way of the rods.=C2=A0 And even if you do it just right, you c=
an still get hurt.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s no sham=
e in calling in a professional who can let the tension off, swap the door o=
ut, and properly re-tension it for the weight of the new door.=C2=A0 And de=
pending on the age of the springs, they could be replaced at the same time.=
=C2=A0 They break from time to time, and that&#39;s no fun...</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jeff Scarbrough</div><div>Corrosion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct=
 14, 2019 at 11:39 PM Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Got a new insulated garage door=
 for winter here. Need to remove the old <br>
door.<br>
<br>
<br>
Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room <b=
r>
visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.<br>
<br>
<br>
Before I just do what Google says, I think I&#39;d like to hear from the <b=
r>
real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends <br>
from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door <br>
panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?<br>
<br>
<br>
And if I need to de-tension it, what&#39;s the best method to avoid smashed=
 <br>
skulls or broken limbs?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
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Scott -

De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=
=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.=20

Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold o=
n to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the s=
pring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.=20

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes, WA

=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it e=
xists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=80=
=9D - Sir Ernest Benn

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFGot a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove t=
he old door.
>=20
>=20
> Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room v=
isits in real life, not just internet clickbait.
>=20
>=20
> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the real p=
eople on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the do=
or, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do I n=
eed to de-tension the torsion spring first?
>=20
>=20
> And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid smashed sk=
ulls or broken limbs?
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the s=
prings first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3=
/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Put o=
ne rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to=
 the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spri=
ng tension, 1/4 turn at a time.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel<=
/div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking f=
or trouble, finding it </span><span class=3D"s2">whether it exists or not</s=
pan><span class=3D"s1">, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong </=
span><span class=3D"s2">remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- Sir Ernest Benn</span>=
</p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 2019, at=
 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove the ol=
d door.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Torsion springs se=
em to be one of those things that drive emergency room visits in real life, n=
ot just internet clickbait.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the real p=
eople on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the do=
or, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do I n=
eed to de-tension the torsion spring first?</span><br><span></span><br><span=
></span><br><span>And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to a=
void smashed skulls or broken limbs?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span=
><br><span>Thanks in advance.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><s=
pan>Scott</span><br><span></span><br><span>_________________________________=
______________</span><br><span></span><br><span>[email-masked]</sp=
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From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:51:21 -0500

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Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the shaft
the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?

Thanks.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Scott -
>
> De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D -=
 18=E2=80=9D
> long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.
>
> Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it.
> Hold on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to
> relieve the spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.
>
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes, WA
>
>
> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether i=
t exists
> or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=80=9D=
 - Sir
> Ernest Benn
>
> On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <
> =EF=BB=BFGot a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove =
the old
> door.
> people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from th=
e
> door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or =
do
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to=
 hold to the shaft the fixture I&#39;m going to be inserting the riffs into=
?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15,=
 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">brabel@=
comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the springs first. You will=
 need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket e=
xtensions work well.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Put one rod into the ho=
le in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to the rod when you=
 loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spring tension, 1/4 =
turn at a time.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>=C2=
=A0 Anacortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it </=
span><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrectly=
 and applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Sir Ernest Ben=
n</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14,=
 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter here=
. Need to remove the old door.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br>=
<span>Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency r=
oom visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.</span><br><span></spa=
n><br><span></span><br><span>Before I just do what Google says, I think I&#=
39;d like to hear from the real people on a subject like that. Can I someho=
w un-do the cable ends from the door, or the cables from the springs and th=
en remove the door panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring fi=
rst?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>And if I need to de-=
tension it, what&#39;s the best method to avoid smashed skulls or broken li=
mbs?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks in advance.</=
span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Scott</span><br><span></sp=
an><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><spa=
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The bolts hold the collar on the central shaft. Once the collar is loose, yo=
u are restraining it with the rod that is inserted in the collar. The force t=
hat the springs apply to the central shaft (when the bolts are tight) counte=
racts the weight of the door.

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the shaf=
t the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?
>> De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D -=
 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.=20
>>=20
>> Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Ho=
ld on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve t=
he spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.=20
>> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether i=
t exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=
=80=9D - Sir Ernest Benn
>>=20
>>=20
>>>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFGot a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove=
 the old door.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room=
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the rea=
l people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the=
 door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do=
 I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid smashed s=
kulls or broken limbs?
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/a=
rchive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-tex=
t-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The bolts hold t=
he collar on the central shaft. Once the collar is loose, you are restrainin=
g it with the rod that is inserted in the collar. The force that the springs=
 apply to the central shaft (when the bolts are tight) counteracts the weigh=
t of the door.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 Oct 15, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Scott Hall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appe=
ar to hold to the shaft the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into=
?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2=
019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">brabel@com=
cast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the springs first. You will need t=
wo steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extension=
s work well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Put one rod into the hole in the=
 collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to the rod when you loosen th=
e bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spring tension, 1/4 turn at a t=
ime.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes,=
 WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it </s=
pan><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrectly a=
nd applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Sir Ernest Benn</spa=
n></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 2019, a=
t 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to re=
move the old door.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Torsion=
 springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room visits in r=
eal life, not just internet clickbait.</span><br><span></span><br><span></sp=
an><br><span>Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear fro=
m the real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends=
 from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door pane=
ls, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?</span><br><span></s=
pan><br><span></span><br><span>And if I need to de-tension it, what's the be=
st method to avoid smashed skulls or broken limbs?</span><br><span></span><b=
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Usually they are square-head bolts, in the fixture on the end of the spring
farthest from the central rod support.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:53 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the
> shaft the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?
>
> Thanks.
>
>> De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D =
- 18=E2=80=9D
>> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether =
it
>> exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=
=E2=80=9D -
>> Sir Ernest Benn
 the old
>> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the rea=
l
>> people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from t=
he
>> door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Usually they are square-head bolts, in the fixture on the =
end of the spring farthest from the central rod support.</div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 201=
9 at 11:53 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loos=
ening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the shaft the fixture I&#39;m =
going to be inserting the riffs into?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the springs first. You will=
 need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket e=
xtensions work well.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Put one rod into the ho=
le in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to the rod when you=
 loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spring tension, 1/4 =
turn at a time.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>=C2=
=A0 Anacortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it </=
span><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrectly=
 and applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Sir Ernest Ben=
n</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14,=
 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter here=
. Need to remove the old door.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br>=
<span>Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency r=
oom visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.</span><br><span></spa=
n><br><span></span><br><span>Before I just do what Google says, I think I&#=
39;d like to hear from the real people on a subject like that. Can I someho=
w un-do the cable ends from the door, or the cables from the springs and th=
en remove the door panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring fi=
rst?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>And if I need to de-=
tension it, what&#39;s the best method to avoid smashed skulls or broken li=
mbs?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks in advance.</=
span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Scott</span><br><span></sp=
an><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><spa=
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:38:39 -0400

If you don't know which screws to loosen, I would suggest you haven't 
sufficient knowledge to undertake this operation and are putting 
yourself in danger. The forces are large, and if you can't see where 
they will be coming from, you WILL get hurt.

Donald.

On 2019-10-15 11:51 a.m., Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel <[email-masked] 
> <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> 
>     Scott -
> 
>     De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12” -
>     18” long. 3/8” socket extensions work well.
> 
>     Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in
>     it. Hold on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two
>     rods to relieve the spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.
> 
>     - Bill Rabel
>        Anacortes, WA
> 
> 
>     “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
>     exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong
>     remedy.” - Sir Ernest Benn
> 
> 
>>     On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk
>>     <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive
>>     emergency room visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.
>>
>>
>>     Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from
>>     the real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the
>>     cable ends from the door, or the cables from the springs and then
>>     remove the door panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion
>>     spring first?
>>
>>

[snip]

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From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:28:01 -0700

Scott - I'd call a local garage door place for an estimate on the 
springs.  You might find it is very reasonable.  It is tough and you 
need the correct diameter steel rods that will fit the holes nicely.  Do 
not stand where the rod can hit you.  Since you are switching to an 
insulated door, it might be heavier, so you will have to tension the 
door differently.

Installing a door is best as a two person job.  Maybe the installer has 
a guy that can stop by after hours and help you out for a reasonable amount.

Brian

On 10/14/2019 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
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Up until now this has all been a mental process, no physical damage can be d=
one by it.=20

Not to be a wet blanket, but we can not help you be safe by explaining which=
 bolts to loosen, that could be a real safety problem for you.=20

You need to find the installation manual for the door at a minimum. Or bette=
r yet, find someone who has done this work before to do it for you or show y=
ou how.  Personally, I=E2=80=99d rather you be out a few $$ to have someone d=
o it rather than many $$ for medical bills.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=

=EF=BB=BF
Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the shaft t=
he fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?

Thanks.

> De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 1=
8=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.=20
>=20
> Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hol=
d on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve t=
he spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.=20
>=20
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes, WA
>=20
>=20
> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it=
 exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=80=
=9D - Sir Ernest Benn
>=20
>=20
>>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
he old door.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the real=
 people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the d=
oor, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do I=
 need to de-tension the torsion spring first?
kulls or broken limbs?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Up until now this has all been a mental pro=
cess, no physical damage can be done by it.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Not to b=
e a wet blanket, but we can not help you be safe by explaining which bolts t=
o loosen, that could be a real safety problem for you.&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
/div><div>You need to find the installation manual for the door at a minimum=
. Or better yet, find someone who has done this work before to do it for you=
 or show you how. &nbsp;Personally, I=E2=80=99d rather you be out a few $$ t=
o have someone do it rather than many $$ for medical bills.&nbsp;<br><br>Pea=
ce,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We supp=
ort Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones t=
hat appear to hold to the shaft the fixture I'm going to be inserting the ri=
ffs into?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, O=
ct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">br=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the springs first. You wil=
l need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket e=
xtensions work well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Put one rod into the hol=
e in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to the rod when you l=
oosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spring tension, 1/4 tur=
n at a time.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; An=
acortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

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Huh.  I probably should mention that I too would prefer to pay someone for
this.

Apparently where I live is too rural and no one is willing to come out here
and I'm tired of begging to pay someone to do it.  It's also been two weeks
and I'm going to go ahead and get this done.

With that being said, any help?

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 11:35 AM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Up until now this has all been a mental process, no physical damage can b=
e
> done by it.
>
> Not to be a wet blanket, but we can not help you be safe by explaining
> which bolts to loosen, that could be a real safety problem for you.
>
> You need to find the installation manual for the door at a minimum. Or
> better yet, find someone who has done this work before to do it for you o=
r
> show you how.  Personally, I=E2=80=99d rather you be out a few $$ to have=
 someone
> do it rather than many $$ for medical bills.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <
- 18=E2=80=9D
it
=E2=80=9D -
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l
he
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<div dir=3D"auto">Huh.=C2=A0 I probably should mention that I too would pre=
fer to pay someone for this.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Apparently where I live is too rural and no one is willing to co=
me out here and I&#39;m tired of begging to pay someone to do it.=C2=A0 It&=
#39;s also been two weeks and I&#39;m going to go ahead and get this done.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">With that=C2=A0be=
ing said, any help?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 11:35 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Up until now this h=
as all been a mental process, no physical damage can be done by it.=C2=A0<d=
iv><br></div><div>Not to be a wet blanket, but we can not help you be safe =
by explaining which bolts to loosen, that could be a real safety problem fo=
r you.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You need to find the installation man=
ual for the door at a minimum. Or better yet, find someone who has done thi=
s work before to do it for you or show you how.=C2=A0 Personally, I=E2=80=
=99d rather you be out a few $$ to have someone do it rather than many $$ f=
or medical bills.=C2=A0<br><br>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br>=
</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 15, 2019,=
 at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=
=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to=
 the shaft the fixture I&#39;m going to be inserting the riffs into?<div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9=
:58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tensio=
n the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=
=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.=C2=A0</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in =
it. Hold on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to r=
elieve the spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>- Bill Rabel</div><div>=C2=A0 Anacortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">

<p><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it </=
span><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrectly=
 and applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Sir Ernest Ben=
n</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14,=
 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for =
winter here. Need to remove the old door.</span><br><span></span><br><span>=
</span><br><span>Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive =
emergency room visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.</span><br>=
<span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Before I just do what Google says, =
I think I&#39;d like to hear from the real people on a subject like that. C=
an I somehow un-do the cable ends from the door, or the cables from the spr=
ings and then remove the door panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsio=
n spring first?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>And if I =
need to de-tension it, what&#39;s the best method to avoid smashed skulls o=
r broken limbs?</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks in=
 advance.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Scott</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</sp=
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From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:53:22 +0000 (UTC)

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 If you have seen it done it would be obvious but if you haven't maybe watc=
hing this video will help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAZOUUuRwUSI
He is tensioning the spring here and what you want to do is the reverse but=
 the technique is the same.=C2=A0 The bolts to loosen are the ones that sec=
ure the end of the spring to the shaft but make sure you stick a rod in the=
 hole first.=C2=A0=20

Remember, there is a lot of stored energy in that spring.=C2=A0 If you don'=
t feel confident, get professional help.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: Bill Rabel <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring

Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the shaft=
 the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?
Thanks.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Bill Rabel <[email-masked]> wrote:

Scott -
De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 1=
8=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.=C2=A0
Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold=
 on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve t=
he spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.=C2=A0
- Bill Rabel=C2=A0 Anacortes, WA

=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it =
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=
=80=9D=C2=A0- Sir Ernest Benn

On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFGot a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove th=
e old door.

Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room vi=
sits in real life, not just internet clickbait.

Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the real p=
eople on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the d=
oor, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door panels, or do =
I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?

And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid smashed sku=
lls or broken limbs?

Thanks in advance.

Scott

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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"3">If you have seen it done it would be obvious but if =
you haven't maybe watching this video will help.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAZOUUuRwUSI</font><=
/div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">He is tensioning the spring here and what you want to=
 do is the reverse but the technique is the same.&nbsp; The bolts to loosen=
 are the ones that secure the end of the spring to the shaft but make sure =
you stick a rod in the hole first.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Remember, there is a lot of stored energy in that spr=
ing.&nbsp; If you don't feel confident, get professional help.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Bill Rabel &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 10:53 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"yiv5468796055">
<div>
<div>Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold to the =
shaft the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Thanks.</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv5468796055yqt1006994343" id=3D"yiv5468796055yqt46945">
<div class=3D"yiv5468796055gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv5468796055gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:=
58 AM Bill Rabel &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__cd812f48-f623=
-4972-9109-1354632be04c__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">brabel@comcast.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv5468796055gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Scott -
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>De-tension the springs first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=
=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=80=9D socket extensions work well.&nbsp;</di=
v>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Put one rod into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it.=
 Hold on to the rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to reli=
eve the spring tension, 1/4 turn at a time.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>- Bill Rabel</div>

<div>&nbsp; Anacortes, WA</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">

<div><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it =
</span><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrect=
ly and applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13pt;">- Sir Ernest Benn</span></div>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 20=
19, at 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer"=
 shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" removedlink__cd812f48-f623-4972-9109-1354632be04c__href=3D"mailto:shop-t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter =
here. Need to remove the old door.</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><b=
r clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Torsion springs seem=
 to be one of those things that drive emergency room visits in real life, n=
ot just internet clickbait.</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=
=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Before I just do what Googl=
e says, I think I'd like to hear from the real people on a subject like tha=
t. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends from the door, or the cables from the=
 springs and then remove the door panels, or do I need to de-tension the to=
rsion spring first?</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none=
"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>And if I need to de-tension it, wha=
t's the best method to avoid smashed skulls or broken limbs?</span><br clea=
r=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none">=
<span>Thanks in advance.</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D=
"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Scott</span><br clear=3D"none"=
><span></span><span></span></div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</blockquote></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Scott, that changes things a bit.=20

Check out 4 or 5 videos on line to see how to do it. Don=E2=80=99t rely on a=
ny that are even slightly different from your door & go by videos where ther=
e are multiple videos that show the exact same thing.=20

My door used 5/8=E2=80=9D bars but the key is to use bars that ate correct f=
or your door.=20

Where are you located?

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> w=

=EF=BB=BF
Huh.  I probably should mention that I too would prefer to pay someone for t=
his. =20

Apparently where I live is too rural and no one is willing to come out here a=
nd I'm tired of begging to pay someone to do it.  It's also been two weeks a=
nd I'm going to go ahead and get this done.=20

> Up until now this has all been a mental process, no physical damage can be=
 done by it.=20
>=20
> Not to be a wet blanket, but we can not help you be safe by explaining whi=
ch bolts to loosen, that could be a real safety problem for you.=20
>=20
> You need to find the installation manual for the door at a minimum. Or bet=
ter yet, find someone who has done this work before to do it for you or show=
 you how.  Personally, I=E2=80=99d rather you be out a few $$ to have someon=
e do it rather than many $$ for medical bills.=20
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
 the old door.
kulls or broken limbs?
rchive
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Scott, that changes things a bit.&nbsp;<div=
><br></div><div>Check out 4 or 5 videos on line to see how to do it. Don=E2=80=
=99t rely on any that are even slightly different from your door &amp; go by=
 videos where there are multiple videos that show the exact same thing.&nbsp=
;</div><div><br></div><div>My door used 5/8=E2=80=9D bars but the key is to u=
se bars that ate correct for your door.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Where=
 are you located?</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br=
></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 15, 2019,=
 at 11:40 AM, Scott Hall &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Huh.&nbsp; I=
 probably should mention that I too would prefer to pay someone for this.&nb=
sp;&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Apparently where I li=
ve is too rural and no one is willing to come out here and I'm tired of begg=
ing to pay someone to do it.&nbsp; It's also been two weeks and I'm going to=
 go ahead and get this done.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">With that&nbsp;being said, any help?</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 11:=
35 AM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">patintexas@iclo=
ud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"aut=
o">Up until now this has all been a mental process, no physical damage can b=
e done by it.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Not to be a wet blanket, but we can n=
ot help you be safe by explaining which bolts to loosen, that could be a rea=
l safety problem for you.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>You need to find th=
e installation manual for the door at a minimum. Or better yet, find someone=
 who has done this work before to do it for you or show you how.&nbsp; Perso=
nally, I=E2=80=99d rather you be out a few $$ to have someone do it rather t=
han many $$ for medical bills.&nbsp;<br><br>Peace,</div><div>Pat</div><div><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div=
><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 1=
5, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-ta=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
 dir=3D"auto">Which bolts am I loosening, Bill? The ones that appear to hold=
 to the shaft the fixture I'm going to be inserting the riffs into?<div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:58 AM=
 Bill Rabel &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Scott -<div><br></div><div>De-tension the spring=
s first. You will need two steel rods, 12=E2=80=9D - 18=E2=80=9D long. 3/8=E2=
=80=9D socket extensions work well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Put one r=
od into the hole in the collar with the securing bolts in it. Hold on to the=
 rod when you loosen the bolts, and use the two rods to relieve the spring t=
ension, 1/4 turn at a time.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div=
><div>&nbsp; Anacortes, WA</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p><span>=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it </s=
pan><span>whether it exists or not</span><span>, diagnosing it incorrectly a=
nd applying the wrong </span><span>remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:13pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- Sir Ernest Benn</spa=
n></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 14, 2019, a=
t 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Got a new insulated garage door for winter here.=
 Need to remove the old door.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><s=
pan>Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency room=
 visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.</span><br><span></span><b=
r><span></span><br><span>Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like=
 to hear from the real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do th=
e cable ends from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove t=
he door panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?</span><=
br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>And if I need to de-tension it, w=
hat's the best method to avoid smashed skulls or broken limbs?</span><br><sp=
an></span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks in advance.</span><br><span></sp=
an><br><span></span><br><span>Scott</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______=
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HI Scott,

I am a non-garage door expert, and was able to retention my garage door
springs with no problem. I bought a three foot length of steel rod from
Home Depot, cut it in half, taped up what would be the "handle" portion to
reduce the chance of slippage, used an adjustable wrench on the square head
retaining bolts and was able to do it myself with no problems. I have two
sets of garage doors, and later adjusted the tension of the second door as
it was closing too fast/hard.

Having the bars at the ready allows one to make minor adjustments to the
doors over time as the spring lose tension. I just keep them on the header
beam above the doors so they are there when I need them next time.

There is a good deal of tension on the springs, but if a normal man uses a
degree of care, is standing on a decent ladder, and use both bars
incrementally, sequentially, it is a very quick job to do. I am glad that I
did it myself and now can "fine tune" the adjustment on the doors whenever
necessary.

best,

doug

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:30 PM Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">HI Scott,<div><br></div><div>I am a non-garage door expert=
, and was able to retention=C2=A0my garage door springs with no problem. I =
bought a three foot length=C2=A0of steel rod from Home Depot, cut it in hal=
f, taped up what would be the &quot;handle&quot; portion to reduce the chan=
ce of slippage, used an adjustable wrench on the square head retaining bolt=
s and was able to do it myself=C2=A0with no problems. I have two sets of ga=
rage doors, and later adjusted=C2=A0the tension of the second door as it wa=
s closing too fast/hard.</div><div><br></div><div>Having the bars at the re=
ady allows one to make minor adjustments to the doors over time as the spri=
ng lose tension. I just keep them on the header beam above the doors so the=
y are there when I need them next=C2=A0time.</div><div><br></div><div>There=
 is a good deal of tension on the springs, but if a normal man uses a degre=
e of care, is standing on a decent ladder, and use both bars incrementally,=
 sequentially, it is a very quick job to do. I am glad that I did it myself=
 and now can &quot;fine tune&quot; the adjustment on the doors whenever nec=
essary.</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><div>doug</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:30 PM Brian Kemp via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Scott - I&#39;d call a=
 local garage door place for an estimate on the <br>
springs.=C2=A0 You might find it is very reasonable.=C2=A0 It is tough and =
you <br>
need the correct diameter steel rods that will fit the holes nicely.=C2=A0 =
Do <br>
not stand where the rod can hit you.=C2=A0 Since you are switching to an <b=
r>
insulated door, it might be heavier, so you will have to tension the <br>
door differently.<br>
<br>
Installing a door is best as a two person job.=C2=A0 Maybe the installer ha=
s <br>
a guy that can stop by after hours and help you out for a reasonable amount=
.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
On 10/14/2019 8:39 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove the <b=
r>
&gt; old door.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Torsion springs seem to be one of those things that drive emergency <b=
r>
&gt; room visits in real life, not just internet clickbait.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Before I just do what Google says, I think I&#39;d like to hear from t=
he <br>
&gt; real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends=
 <br>
&gt; from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door=
 <br>
&gt; panels, or do I need to de-tension the torsion spring first?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And if I need to de-tension it, what&#39;s the best method to avoid <b=
r>
&gt; smashed skulls or broken limbs?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks in advance.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Scott<br>
&gt;<br>
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From: "John P. New via Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:16:37 -0400

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Scott,

=46irst, I would echo what others have said and watch several how-to videos=
=2E The site that I referred to when I did my springs is DDM Gararage Doors=
; they have a very helpful and extensive DIY section, https://diygaragedoor=
=2Ecom/diy-instructions/ that covers changing many types of springs and siz=
ing them as well.

Second, when you get the rods that you are going to use to (de)tension the =
spring, you have to mark the rods so you have a visual cue as to when they =
have bottomed out in the holes of the winding cone. This very important, be=
cause if a rod isn't firmly in the winding cone it could come loose when un=
der stress and you could lose control of the spring with all that entails. =
So, before you do anything, insert each rod into a winding cone hole; make =
sure that the hole is clean and free of debris. Make sure the rod is well a=
nd truly seated; usually a metal-to-metal thunk will let you know that. Wit=
h the rod still in the hole, take a piece of tape (I used electrical) and w=
rap it once around the rod at the edge of the hole (see attached picture). =
When you have done this to both rods, compare the two: if they are not iden=
tical, take the tape off and do it again. To use the rods, EVERY time you i=
nsert one, you should look at the base of the rod and make sure that tape i=
s snug against the winding cone hole.

So, watch the videos, take your time, keep your head and as much of your bo=
dy to the side of the rods away from the spring, and you should be fine.

John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada

On Monday, October 14, 2019 11:39:15 PM EDT Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> Got a new insulated garage door for winter here. Need to remove the old=20
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> Before I just do what Google says, I think I'd like to hear from the=20
> real people on a subject like that. Can I somehow un-do the cable ends=20
> from the door, or the cables from the springs and then remove the door=20
> And if I need to de-tension it, what's the best method to avoid smashed=20
> skulls or broken limbs?
>=20
>=20
> Thanks in advance.
>=20
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> Scott
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chive
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:20:06 -0700

It may not be necessary to loosen the bolts at all, since you are removing
and replacing the door but (I assume) not replacing cables, etc.  

Again I'm not sure they are all the same, but when I had to replace one of
the cables on my box trailer (which has a very similar spring mechanism to
my overhead garage doors), I left the spring compressed with one of the
tommy bars jammed against the door header.  That let me R&R the cable with
the door down (which for my trailer is the open position).  I didn't mess
with either of the bolts until I had to adjust the length of the cable (to
lift the door evenly).  If you aren't going to replace the cables, you may
not have to mess with them at all.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Hall via Shop-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:40 AM
> To: Pat Horne
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Huh.  I probably should mention that I too would prefer to 
> pay someone for this.  
> 
> Apparently where I live is too rural and no one is willing to 
> come out here and I'm tired of begging to pay someone to do 
> it.  It's also been two weeks and I'm going to go ahead and 
> get this done. 
> 

[email-masked]

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From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:34:24 +0000 (UTC)

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 Clever idea.=C2=A0 Just take the tension off of the cables and have at it.=
=C2=A0 But if it is an insulated door that is replacing an uninsulated door=
 it will likely weigh more and the tension may need to be adjusted but one =
can cross that bridge when he comes to it.
=20
Dave=20

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: 'Shop-talk' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 12:17 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring

It may not be necessary to loosen the bolts at all, since you are removing
and replacing the door but (I assume) not replacing cables, etc.=C2=A0=20

Again I'm not sure they are all the same, but when I had to replace one of
the cables on my box trailer (which has a very similar spring mechanism to
my overhead garage doors), I left the spring compressed with one of the
tommy bars jammed against the door header.=C2=A0 That let me R&R the cable =
with
the door down (which for my trailer is the open position).=C2=A0 I didn't m=
ess
with either of the bolts until I had to adjust the length of the cable (to
lift the door evenly).=C2=A0 If you aren't going to replace the cables, you=
 may
not have to mess with them at all.

-- Randall=20
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild=20

> From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On=20
> Huh.=C2=A0 I probably should mention that I too would prefer to=20
> pay someone for this.=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Apparently where I live is too rural and no one is willing to=20
> come out here and I'm tired of begging to pay someone to do=20
> it.=C2=A0 It's also been two weeks and I'm going to go ahead and=20
> get this done.=20
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Clever idea.&nbsp; Just take the tension off of the =
cables and have at it.&nbsp; But if it is an insulated door that is replaci=
ng an uninsulated door it will likely weigh more and the tension may need t=
o be adjusted but one can cross that bridge when he comes to it.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Randall via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: 'Shop-talk' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 12:17 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">It may not be necessary to loosen the b=
olts at all, since you are removing<br clear=3D"none">and replacing the doo=
r but (I assume) not replacing cables, etc.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none">Again I'm not sure they are all the same, but when I had to re=
place one of<br clear=3D"none">the cables on my box trailer (which has a ve=
ry similar spring mechanism to<br clear=3D"none">my overhead garage doors),=
 I left the spring compressed with one of the<br clear=3D"none">tommy bars =
jammed against the door header.&nbsp; That let me R&amp;R the cable with<br=
 clear=3D"none">the door down (which for my trailer is the open position).&=
nbsp; I didn't mess<br clear=3D"none">with either of the bolts until I had =
to adjust the length of the cable (to<br clear=3D"none">lift the door evenl=
y).&nbsp; If you aren't going to replace the cables, you may<br clear=3D"no=
ne">not have to mess with them at all.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>-- Randall <br clear=3D"none">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver=
<br clear=3D"none">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br clear=3D"non=
e">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yqt4083259920" id=3D"yqtfd86939"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; ----=
-Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">&gt; From: Shop-talk [mailto:<a sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noo=
pener noreferrer" removedlink__6f1507f0-7597-4914-bf92-c90381b5ea7e__href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>] On <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Behalf Of Scott Hall via Shop-talk<br cl=
ear=3D"none">&gt; Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:40 AM<br clear=3D"none"=
>&gt; To: Pat Horne<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Cc: <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" removedlink__=
6f1507f0-7597-4914-bf92-c90381b5ea7e__href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Subject: Re: [Shop-=
talk] De-coupling overhead door torsion spring<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; Huh.&nbsp; I probably should mention that I too would pr=
efer to <br clear=3D"none">&gt; pay someone for this.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"no=
ne">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Apparently where I live is too rural and n=
o one is willing to <br clear=3D"none">&gt; come out here and I'm tired of =
begging to pay someone to do <br clear=3D"none">&gt; it.&nbsp; It's also be=
en two weeks and I'm going to go ahead and <br clear=3D"none">&gt; get this=
 done. <br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; With that being said=
, any help?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">__=
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