Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Washer/dryer clearances

From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:00:41 -0400

I think the 5-1/2" back clearance is for the dryer vent hose. If the 
appliance is too close to the back wall there will be no room. The hoses 
are (IIRC 4" diameter, and there needs to be a bit of room to make the 
right-angle bend out of the dryer base.

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On 17-Oct-2019 12:29, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
> We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was designed pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have discovered.  The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are 1” on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2” in back.  The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.
> 
> The units are 27” x 30”, so the recommended closet space is 29” by 36 1/2”.  The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, something I know my wife will want to do when the units are being used.  So, we have more then enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, where the vents are.  (FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we have 9’.)  We haven’t put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer vent.
> 
> So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix the problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it with a conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a time when we feel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room set by the factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don’t want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance.  We have more than enough total open area, but does that make up for the clearance in the back?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
> 
> p.s.  Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installing the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any water from the basement into the garage.  :)
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From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:14:19 -0400

Any way to add clearance at the back wall? If it is not load bearing 
could you replace the 2X4 studs with 2X3s?

If the limiting factor is clearance for the duct work can that be 
recessed into the back wall? We use a 'periscope' dryer vent. 
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Lambro-24-in-to-41-in-Adjustable-Periscope-Dryer-Vent/4566306

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

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From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:23:51 -0400

Is the door louvered?  If not, you might run into problems when 
operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.  The 
dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air 
needs to come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers 
leaving clothes damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back 
to dryer starved for air.

Just something to keep in mind.

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:21:05 +0000

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As the owner of a 2nd floor stacked w/d in a small space - I would also rec=
ommend the louvered doors. Though it's located in a small bathroom so even =
the bifold doors were removed for space reasons shortly after.  A curtain m=
ight be easier.

Also think about how hard it will be too remove them and the ducting when t=
he w/d or vent needs service I've only had to do it twice in 10 years, but =
it was a real pain to get to.

I also invested in sound absorbing pads that both units sit on when they we=
re physically stacked on each other. A few years later I decided to make a =
shelf that the top unit (dryer) sits on so that both units are separated fo=
r less noise/vibration/squeaking as one or both are rocking and rolling whi=
le you try to sleep.

PJ

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Jimmie Mayf=
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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:23 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Washer/dryer clearances

On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
> We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer=
 into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was=
 designed pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have disco=
vered.  The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are 1=
=94 on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=94 in back.  The 5 1/2 in back is =
the problem.
>
> The units are 27=94 x 30=94, so the recommended closet space is 29=94 by =
36 1/2=94.  The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, something I kn=
ow my wife will want to do when the units are being used.  So, we have more=
 then enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, where the vents=
 are.  (FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we have 9=92.)  We h=
aven=92t put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space f=
or the plumbing and dryer vent.
>
> So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix the p=
roblem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it with =
a conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a time when w=
e feel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room s=
et by the factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don=92t=
 want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance.  We have =
more than enough total open area, but does that make up for the clearance i=
n the back?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> p.s.  Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installing the ov=
erflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any water from=
 the basement into the garage.  :)
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As the owner of a 2nd floor stacked w/d in a small space - I would also rec=
ommend the louvered doors. Though it's located in a small bathroom so even =
the bifold doors were removed for space reasons shortly after.&nbsp; A curt=
ain might be easier.</div>
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Also think about how hard it will be too remove them and the ducting when t=
he w/d or vent needs service I've only had to do it twice in 10 years, but =
it was a real pain to get to.&nbsp;</div>
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I also invested in sound absorbing pads that both units sit on when they we=
re physically stacked on each other. A few years later I decided to make a =
shelf that the top unit (dryer) sits on so that both units are separated fo=
r less noise/vibration/squeaking
 as one or both are rocking and rolling while you try to sleep.&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Is the door louvered?&nbsp; If not, you might run =
into problems when
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operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.&nbsp; The <b=
r>
dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air <br>
needs to come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers <br>
leaving clothes damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back <b=
r>
to dryer starved for air.<br>
<br>
Just something to keep in mind.<br>
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On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and dr=
yer into the laundry closet.&nbsp; The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everyt=
hing was designed pretty tightly.&nbsp; Too tightly on the laundry closet, =
we have discovered.&nbsp; The recommended clearances
 for the stacked washer and dryer are 1=94 on each side, 1&quot; in front, =
and 5 1/2=94 in back.&nbsp; The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The units are 27=94 x 30=94, so the recommended closet space is 29=94 =
by 36 1/2=94.&nbsp; The closet is 38&quot; x 34&quot; when the door is clos=
ed, something I know my wife will want to do when the units are being used.=
&nbsp; So, we have more then enough room on the sides, but too
 little in the back, where the vents are.&nbsp; (FWIW: They only require ab=
out 7' of head room; we have 9=92.)&nbsp; We haven=92t put the units in yet=
, but there should be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer ven=
t.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix th=
e problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it wi=
th a conventional door.&nbsp; But, that would add time and expense at a tim=
e when we feel like we are out of both.
 I always assume there is some wiggle room set by the factories on things l=
ike minimum clearance, but certainly don=92t want to create a fire hazard o=
r burn out an expensive appliance.&nbsp; We have more than enough total ope=
n area, but does that make up for the clearance
 in the back?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Jim<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; p.s.&nbsp; Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installin=
g the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any wa=
ter from the basement into the garage.&nbsp; :)<br>
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From: Bill Rabel via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:53:25 -0700

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I had a similar situation. I found a galvanized steel skinny duct, about 3=E2=
=80=9D x 6=E2=80=9D, maybe three feet long, with a round inlet to fit the dr=
yer, and a round outlet above the dryer to transition to round ducting. I=E2=
=80=99d try Amazon or Google.=20

- Bill Rabel
  Anacortes=20

=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it e=
xists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.=E2=80=
=9D - Sir Ernest Benn

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFIs the door louvered?  If not, you might run into problems when o=
perating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.  The dryer blo=
wer is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air needs to come fr=
om somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers leaving clothes damp a=
nd for many of them the problem can be traced back to dryer starved for air.=

>=20
>=20
>=20
 into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was d=
esigned pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have discover=
ed.  The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are 1=E2=80=
=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=9D in back.  The 5 1/2 in bac=
k is the problem.
>>=20
>> The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so the recommended closet space i=
s 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D.  The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is c=
losed, something I know my wife will want to do when the units are being use=
d.  So, we have more then enough room on the sides, but too little in the ba=
ck, where the vents are.  (FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we=
 have 9=E2=80=99.)  We haven=E2=80=99t put the units in yet, but there shoul=
d be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer vent.
>>=20
roblem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it with a=
 conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a time when we f=
eel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room set b=
y the factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don=E2=80=99=
t want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance.  We have m=
ore than enough total open area, but does that make up for the clearance in t=
he back?
>>=20
>>=20
erflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any water from t=
he basement into the garage.  :)
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I had a similar situation. I found a galvan=
ized steel skinny duct, about 3=E2=80=9D x 6=E2=80=9D, maybe three feet long=
, with a round inlet to fit the dryer, and a round outlet above the dryer to=
 transition to round ducting. I=E2=80=99d try Amazon or Google.&nbsp;<div><b=
r></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">

<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking f=
or trouble, finding it </span><span class=3D"s2">whether it exists or not</s=
pan><span class=3D"s1">, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong </=
span><span class=3D"s2">remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- Sir Ernest Benn</span>=
</p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 17, 2019, at=
 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wro=
te:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF<span>Is the door louvered?&nbsp; If not, you might run into problems w=
hen operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.&nbsp; The=
 dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air needs t=
o come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers leaving cloth=
es damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back to dryer starved=
 for air.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Just something to keep in mind.</=
span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, Jim S=
tone via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>We are f=
inishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer into the l=
aundry closet. &nbsp;The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was design=
ed pretty tightly. &nbsp;Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have discover=
ed. &nbsp;The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are 1=E2=
=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=9D in back. &nbsp;The 5 1/=
2 in back is the problem.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>The units are 2=
7=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so the recommended closet space is 29=E2=80=9D by 3=
6 1/2=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, somet=
hing I know my wife will want to do when the units are being used. &nbsp;So,=
 we have more then enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, whe=
re the vents are. &nbsp;(FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we h=
ave 9=E2=80=99.) &nbsp;We haven=E2=80=99t put the units in yet, but there sh=
ould be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer vent.</span><br></=
blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><span>So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door an=
d we could fix the problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and=
 replacing it with a conventional door. &nbsp;But, that would add time and e=
xpense at a time when we feel like we are out of both. I always assume there=
 is some wiggle room set by the factories on things like minimum clearance, b=
ut certainly don=E2=80=99t want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expen=
sive appliance. &nbsp;We have more than enough total open area, but does tha=
t make up for the clearance in the back?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>T=
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uote type=3D"cite"><span>p.s. &nbsp;Shop content: I discovered the problem w=
hen I was installing the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that=
 will route any water from the basement into the garage. &nbsp;:)</span><br>=
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Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. It=E2=80=99s shorter than I remembered.=20
< https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAEG=
6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&qid=3D1571345903&sr=3D8-1=

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. It=E2=80=99=
s shorter than I remembered.&nbsp;<div>&lt;<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com=
/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keyw=
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p_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp;qid=3D1571345903&amp;sr=3D8-1</=
a>&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes&nbsp=
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From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:09:27 -0400

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Thanks, guys.  I think there will be room to get a duct in, but it is =
going to be a pain in the butt and an extra couple of inches probably =
wouldn=E2=80=99t help that much.  I hadn=E2=80=99t thought about a vent =
in the door - it is solid - but it is something to think about.  My wife =
just told me she is happy to leave the door open when we are washing =
clothes, which surprised me.  We=E2=80=99ll see how she feels when =
we=E2=80=99re actually doing that, but I could always put an HVAC vent =
in the door.

At the moment, I am thinking the best course is to put the washer/dryer =
in with sound absorbing pads for the dryer.  Building a shelf to isolate =
the two in an interesting idea that I hadn=E2=80=99t though of.  I=E2=80=99=
ll probably just use the kit provided by the manufacturer - the unit is =
currently set up in my garage (more shop content!) and at least in =
there, it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be a problem.  Adding a shelf if =
needed is something I will definitely keep in the back of my mind, once =
we see how everything works in reality.

Thanks again!
Jim

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Bill Rabel via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. It=E2=80=99s shorter than I =
remembered.=20
> =
<=C2=A0https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B=
001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&qid=3D1571345903=
&sr=3D8-1 =
<https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAE=
G6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&qid=3D1571345903&sr=3D=
8-1>>
>=20
> - Bill Rabel
>   Anacortes=20
>=20
> =E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it =
whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the =
wrong remedy.=E2=80=9D - Sir Ernest Benn
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFIs the door louvered?  If not, you might run into problems =
when operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.  The =
dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air =
needs to come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers =
leaving clothes damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back =
to dryer starved for air.
>>> We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and =
dryer into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so =
everything was designed pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry =
closet, we have discovered.  The recommended clearances for the stacked =
washer and dryer are 1=E2=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=
=9D in back.  The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.
>>>=20
>>> The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so the recommended closet =
space is 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D.  The closet is 38" x 34" when =
the door is closed, something I know my wife will want to do when the =
units are being used.  So, we have more then enough room on the sides, =
but too little in the back, where the vents are.  (FWIW: They only =
require about 7' of head room; we have 9=E2=80=99.)  We haven=E2=80=99t =
put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space for the =
plumbing and dryer vent.
>>>=20
>>> So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix =
the problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing =
it with a conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a =
time when we feel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some =
wiggle room set by the factories on things like minimum clearance, but =
certainly don=E2=80=99t want to create a fire hazard or burn out an =
expensive appliance.  We have more than enough total open area, but does =
that make up for the clearance in the back?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>>=20
>>> p.s.  Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installing =
the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any =
water from the basement into the garage.  :)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, guys. &nbsp;I think there will be room to get a duct =
in, but it is going to be a pain in the butt and an extra couple of =
inches probably wouldn=E2=80=99t help that much. &nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t =
thought about a vent in the door - it is solid - but it is something to =
think about. &nbsp;My wife just told me she is happy to leave the door =
open when we are washing clothes, which surprised me. &nbsp;We=E2=80=99ll =
see how she feels when we=E2=80=99re actually doing that, but I could =
always put an HVAC vent in the door.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">At the moment, I am thinking the best =
course is to put the washer/dryer in with sound absorbing pads for the =
dryer. &nbsp;Building a shelf to isolate the two in an interesting idea =
that I hadn=E2=80=99t though of. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll probably just use =
the kit provided by the manufacturer - the unit is currently set up in =
my garage (more shop content!) and at least in there, it doesn=E2=80=99t =
seem to be a problem. &nbsp;Adding a shelf if needed is something I will =
definitely keep in the back of my mind, once we see how everything works =
in reality.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks again!</div><div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Bill Rabel via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. =
It=E2=80=99s shorter than I remembered.&nbsp;</span><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/=
B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp;qid=3D15713=
45903&amp;sr=3D8-1" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Peri=
scope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp;qi=
d=3D1571345903&amp;sr=3D8-1</a>&gt;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">- =
Bill Rabel</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D"">&nbsp; Anacortes&nbsp;<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">=E2=80=9CPoliti=
cs is the art of looking for trouble, finding it<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
class=3D"s2">whether it exists or not</span><span class=3D"s1">, =
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span =
class=3D"s2">remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class=3D"">- Sir Ernest =
Benn</span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 =
PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<span class=3D"">Is the door =
louvered?&nbsp; If not, you might run into problems when operating the =
dryer in such a small room with the door closed.&nbsp; The dryer blower =
is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air needs to come =
from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers leaving clothes =
damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back to dryer =
starved for air.</span><br class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Just something to keep in mind.</span><br =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""><span class=3D"">On 10/17/19 12:29 PM, =
Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span class=3D"">We are finishing up our new =
cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer into the laundry closet. =
&nbsp;The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was designed pretty =
tightly. &nbsp;Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have discovered. =
&nbsp;The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer are =
1=E2=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=9D in back. =
&nbsp;The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so =
the recommended closet space is 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D. =
&nbsp;The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, something I know =
my wife will want to do when the units are being used. &nbsp;So, we have =
more then enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, where =
the vents are. &nbsp;(FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we =
have 9=E2=80=99.) &nbsp;We haven=E2=80=99t put the units in yet, but =
there should be more than enough space for the plumbing and dryer =
vent.</span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span class=3D"">So, any thoughts? The closet =
door is a pocket door and we could fix the problem (or at least get =
close enough) by removing it and replacing it with a conventional door. =
&nbsp;But, that would add time and expense at a time when we feel like =
we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room set by the =
factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don=E2=80=99t =
want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance. =
&nbsp;We have more than enough total open area, but does that make up =
for the clearance in the back?</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Thanks,</span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">Jim</span><br class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><span class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span =
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I used a similar one 14 years ago to slant diagonally up a 2x4 wall.  Still 
working just fine.  The one I bought telescopes as I recall, and I used 
pretty much all the length.

On October 17, 2019 4:29:29 PM Bill Rabel via Shop-talk 
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> Here’s the skinny duct. It’s shorter than I remembered.
> < 
> https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=whirlpool+4396037RP&qid=1571345903&sr=8-1>
>
> - Bill Rabel
> Anacortes
>
>
> “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists 
> or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy.” - Sir 
> Ernest Benn
>
>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk 
>> Is the door louvered?  If not, you might run into problems when operating 
>> the dryer in such a small room with the door closed.  The dryer blower is 
>> going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and that air needs to come from 
>> somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers leaving clothes damp and 
>> for many of them the problem can be traced back to dryer starved for air.
>>
>>> We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer and dryer 
>>> into the laundry closet.  The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so everything was 
>>> designed pretty tightly.  Too tightly on the laundry closet, we have 
>>> discovered.  The recommended clearances for the stacked washer and dryer 
>>> are 1” on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2” in back.  The 5 1/2 in back is 
>>> the problem.
>>>
>>> The units are 27” x 30”, so the recommended closet space is 29” by 36 1/2”. 
>>>  The closet is 38" x 34" when the door is closed, something I know my wife 
>>> will want to do when the units are being used.  So, we have more then 
>>> enough room on the sides, but too little in the back, where the vents are.  
>>> (FWIW: They only require about 7' of head room; we have 9’.)  We haven’t 
>>> put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space for the 
>>> plumbing and dryer vent.
>>>
>>> So, any thoughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix the 
>>> problem (or at least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it with 
>>> a conventional door.  But, that would add time and expense at a time when 
>>> we feel like we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room 
>>> set by the factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don’t 
>>> want to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance.  We have 
>>> more than enough total open area, but does that make up for the clearance 
>>> in the back?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> p.s.  Shop content: I discovered the problem when I was installing the 
>>> overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any water 
>>> from the basement into the garage.  :)
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<div dir=3D"auto">I used a similar one 14 years ago to slant diagonally up =
a 2x4 wall.&nbsp; Still working just fine.&nbsp; The one I bought telescope=
s as I recall, and I used pretty much all the length.</div><div dir=3D'auto=
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<p style=3D"color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; margin:=
 8pt 0;">On October 17, 2019 4:29:29 PM Bill Rabel via Shop-talk &lt;shop-t=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</p>
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ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;">
Here=E2=80=99s the skinny duct. It=E2=80=99s shorter than I remembered.&nbs=
p;<div>&lt;<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-=
Periscope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpool+4396037RP&amp=
;qid=3D1571345903&amp;sr=3D8-1">&nbsp;https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396=
037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=3Dmp_s_a_1_1?keywords=3Dwhirlpo=
ol+4396037RP&amp;qid=3D1571345903&amp;sr=3D8-1</a>&gt;</div><div><br></div>=
<div>- Bill Rabel</div><div>&nbsp; Anacortes&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">

<p class=3D"p1"><span class=3D"s1">=E2=80=9CPolitics is the art of looking =
for trouble, finding it </span><span class=3D"s2">whether it exists or not<=
/span><span class=3D"s1">, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong=
 </span><span class=3D"s2">remedy.=E2=80=9D&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font=
-size: 13pt; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- Sir Ernest Benn</=
span></p></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 17, 20=
19, at 1:12 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Is the door louvered?&nbsp; If not, you might run into =
problems when operating the dryer in such a small room with the door closed=
.&nbsp; The dryer blower is going to be rated for a few hundred CFM and tha=
t air needs to come from somewhere. Folks often complain about their dryers=
 leaving clothes damp and for many of them the problem can be traced back t=
o dryer starved for air.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Just something to=
 keep in mind.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 10/17/1=
9 12:29 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span>We are finishing up our new cottage and ready to put the washer a=
nd dryer into the laundry closet. &nbsp;The cottage is only 780 sq ft, so e=
verything was designed pretty tightly. &nbsp;Too tightly on the laundry clo=
set, we have discovered. &nbsp;The recommended clearances for the stacked w=
asher and dryer are 1=E2=80=9D on each side, 1" in front, and 5 1/2=E2=80=
=9D in back. &nbsp;The 5 1/2 in back is the problem.</span><br></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>The units are 27=E2=80=9D x 30=E2=80=9D, so the recommended=
 closet space is 29=E2=80=9D by 36 1/2=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;The closet is 38" x =
34" when the door is closed, something I know my wife will want to do when =
the units are being used. &nbsp;So, we have more then enough room on the si=
des, but too little in the back, where the vents are. &nbsp;(FWIW: They onl=
y require about 7' of head room; we have 9=E2=80=99.) &nbsp;We haven=E2=80=
=99t put the units in yet, but there should be more than enough space for t=
he plumbing and dryer vent.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>So, any tho=
ughts? The closet door is a pocket door and we could fix the problem (or at=
 least get close enough) by removing it and replacing it with a conventiona=
l door. &nbsp;But, that would add time and expense at a time when we feel l=
ike we are out of both. I always assume there is some wiggle room set by th=
e factories on things like minimum clearance, but certainly don=E2=80=99t w=
ant to create a fire hazard or burn out an expensive appliance. &nbsp;We ha=
ve more than enough total open area, but does that make up for the clearanc=
e in the back?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></spa=
n><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Thanks,</span><br></bloc=
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 the overflow drain pan and running the drain pipes that will route any wat=
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:16:32 -0700

Here's a taller one
https://amzn.com/B0049I9OYC
https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396014-29-Inch-50-Inch-Periscope/dp/B0049I
9OYC?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_2

If the vent to the outside doesn't happen to be in the wall behind the
dryer, you can also use this style, plus some flexible hose
https://amzn.com/B001AH3K72
https://www.amazon.com/Dundas-Jafine-UD48S-Straight-Outlet/dp/B001AH3K72?ref
_=fsclp_pl_dp_7

Another option may be to put the duct inside the wall:
https://amzn.com/B0049IBM7Y
https://www.amazon.com/GENUINE-Whirlpool-4392892-29-Inch-Periscope/dp/B0049I
BM7Y?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_8

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On 
> Behalf Of Bill Rabel via Shop-talk
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:00 PM
> To: Jimmie Mayfield
> Cc: [email-masked]
> Here's the skinny duct. It's shorter than I remembered. 
> < 
> https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-4396037RP-Inch-Vent-Periscope
/dp/B001AAEG6S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=whirlpool+4396037RP&qid=>
1571345903&sr=8-1 
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