From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 11:52:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093BCA047B for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74574A021E for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.eu.com (webmail19.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.19]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4C0651BF206 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 13:51:46 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.8 Subject: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? From: jamesf--- via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SSBoYXZlIGFib3V0IDEvNCBhY3JlIG9mIGxhbmQgdG8gdGFrZSBjYXJlIG9mLiAyLzMgaXMgbW93 YWJsZSBncmVlbiAKc3R1ZmYsIDEvMyBpcyByb2Nrcy4gUmF0aGVyIHRoYW4gZ2l2ZSAkNDUwMCB0 byBhIGxhbmRzY2FwZXIgdG8gcmVtb3ZlIAp0aGUgcm9ja3MgYW5kIHBsYW50IGdyYXNzIEkgZmln dXJlZCBJIGNvdWxkIGJ1eSBhIG1hY2hpbmUgYW5kIERJWSBpdCBhbmQgCmNvbWUgb3V0IHdpdGgg c29tZXRoaW5nIG5pY2VyLgoKSSBuZWVkIHRvIHJha2UgdGhlIHJvY2tzIG91dCBvZiB0aGUgc3Vi c29pbCB0aGF0IHdhcyByZXBsYWNlZCB3aGVuIEkgaGFkIAp0aGUgc2V3ZXIgcGlwZSBwdXQgaW4u IFRoaXMgaXMgTmV3IEVuZ2xhbmQgc28gdGhlcmUgYXJlIGEgbG90IG9mIHJvY2tzIApidXQgbm9u ZSBiaWdnZXIgdGhhbiBteSBoZWFkLgoKSSBuZWVkIHRvIHNwcmVhZCB0b3Bzb2lsIG9yIG1hbnVy ZSBvdmVyIHRoYXQgYXJlYS7CoAoKSSBuZWVkIHRvIGRpZyBhIGZldyA4IiB4IDQ4IiBob2xlcyBm b3IgZGVjayBleHBhbnNpb24gZm9vdGluZ3MuwqAKCkkgbmVlZCB0byBtb3cgdGhlIGdyYXNzLgoK SXMgdGhlcmUgYSBtYWNoaW5lIHRoYXQgd2lsbCBkbyBhbGwgdGhpcz8gSSBjYW4gZmluZCBhIHJp ZGluZyBtb3dlciwgb3IgCmEgYmlnIFBUTyB0cmFjdG9yLCBidXQgaXQgc2VlbXMgSSBuZWVkIHNv bWV0aGluZyBpbiB0aGUgbWlkZGxlLiBSaWRpbmcgCm1vd2VyIHdpdGggcmFrZSBhbmQgdGhlbiBq dXN0IHJlbnQgdGhlIGhvbGUgYXVnZXI/IERvZXMgc3VjaCBhIG1hY2hpbmUgCmV4aXN0PwoKdGhh bmtzLApqaW0KX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18K ClNob3AtdGFsa0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9u YXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjk2CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6 Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsayBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQv YXJjaGl2ZQoKVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1h bi9vcHRpb25zL3Nob3AtdGFsay9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAoK From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 11:56:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A7BA06D6 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1993A0365 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f42.google.com with SMTP id c7so3101681otp.1 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5tnBok6G1uo7Dn1eBcq4SiyZNj6WwxhLA+GVuyetr98=; b=c0aSVtta2EJDGCnO4kYT62As2a8HyOptzb7d5COlBpT/hHiUztrDeP7QJrHSUVX0Ju IGqqDoooiRZREev9GAOxRKJJ9rffyADt7qeHtyyu19cSy81f6xn2/nEqneiNoV69hr53 yIoNMBJuKTj1hMhwH6s0XKKmEusHqAkdF+804SXQPRvdG3NSE5VWuK4Np+09QVbvMdkk Dkqf6wSNyNzAfPGB/XY0MjdsjfMwm/R9IucUDTP130C9kqwxqHSuG5HeK2qkIwlY8q4d VOPiEl1yQNkUPujfPGdzfT7B7W/DNqzB9UK8NlNaasafhE6SVdzGxovYhVvt8WEBXhxx zDhg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5tnBok6G1uo7Dn1eBcq4SiyZNj6WwxhLA+GVuyetr98=; b=PH2mGQktCGdPD6xdqZysY7t/CKQmoxkzub6ouXaicqF6hZ7B/uTKsWfRn7RAF3f2sI IDmq+X+eceQZXqnbOuAW0QXn91+OGU1KRl2E4IOFwoJLsZgANe4osDfThKIMfxzX2Qs2 hZ6oU6RxtvrYw7tbwkMHfYrS7Aa3DjLd7QbbdqWKKFbKJJ13NDohcoAdT7hkklUxA9b+ vDRHcGvOMmcPQcUkKea5Xr9OHZV28TtRDG8+xnb05cL00S3vkEHW7rxGK2uuvtxReOMV CHsm1gwzSa7KeFTAZQNHa9W60rYW01cxtfYzuW7Qnjr75OQPgbk422mNbPuB9f9EkCZJ 6hOw== iTayA3Llwmn6YczCIN1c49Rcym58J6z2iEwM6XWQ+g== i22mr3628717otc.234.1567706170369; Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:56:10 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 12:55:59 -0500 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? From: John Innis via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5473856906442383409== --00000000000065a9db0591d20932 For that size yard, you really don't want a cat 1 tractor long term. You be better off buying a small 0-trurn to mow with then renting whatever other equipment you need when you need it. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:52 PM jamesf--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have about 1/4 acre of land to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green > stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove > the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and > come out with something nicer. > > I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had > the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks > but none bigger than my head. > > I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area. > > I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings. > > I need to mow the grass. > > Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or > a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding > mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine > exist? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --00000000000065a9db0591d20932 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For that size yard, you really don't want a cat 1 trac= tor long term.=C2=A0 You be better off buying a small 0-trurn to mow with t= hen renting whatever other equipment you need when you need it.
On Thu, = Sep 5, 2019 at 12:52 PM jamesf--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have about 1/4 acre of land = to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green
stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove
the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and come out with something nicer.

I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks
but none bigger than my head.

I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area.=C2=A0

I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings.= =C2=A0

I need to mow the grass.

Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding
mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine
exist?

thanks,
jim
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--00000000000065a9db0591d20932-- --===============5473856906442383409== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5473856906442383409==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 11:58:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66590A0BF6 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281901.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB5FA039C for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:58:23 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1567706300; bh=EpqBrTgO5YwX/p2ASh4U7q+dt1z3xRG/H3fFSK94mio=; h=Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=t5JPrZplcLgbgykDN/3M1VxGy9QaXdw5KGUmPQb95aiSbiKSbGJKCkMNWb65Sqlws noT+MhZAzCvrVkruHRFFFLB8t617YzfGIfdgo/4tkBgXnA6+INXfg13ceCD9gXdEad W2CyVoh5kK4jnrc7VwLwDh2Ysqkyllq6Jp/2fxGia8MpdUOagtZl1qaEJyAfT+s2S8 etKcxRZRB0d6CUCsVBFVC4MHVG53s7BTn11xquJgp+xmB24wlmiS2uEKC5ybUbM6lH fhflCthTvZEMOAndaC114hN/TA+sMpfCMLs69xwK9lBrpQ+Le2MAX/djMPkTdF8vKH 5cd0V47qcwJ+Q== Received: from [192.168.88.90] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3CB4740E54; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 17:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 12:58:18 -0500 References: To: jamesf@groupwbench.org definitions=2019-09-05_05:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1909050169 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: Shop Talk List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Vermeer makes a rock picker & I suspect others do too. You may be able to find someone who has one who you could hire. Their pretty expensive. A neighbor had one & it worked quite well. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 5, 2019, at 12:51 PM, jamesf--- via Shop-talk wrote: I have about 1/4 acre of land to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and come out with something nicer. I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks but none bigger than my head. I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area. I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings. I need to mow the grass. Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine exist? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 15:16:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D42CA1006 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 15:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1077A0FB8 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f49.google.com with SMTP id r20so3719169ota.5 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2019 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aHy57xljgJV0tTco5RkLkNpshtPnd/gl1JuongVZDhA=; b=Qwy1idLmwPM/SGZTgEwKBdKkS7st3w7/4rofy9i6Amyg3WAUbFLVlR1cYPCpH1qziU k3cVgVxkvHO/136DCSmmdqfb4Una+Y+l+rjddkNFh32XuzH/z2eUwyDB8tW9t/WJ3UH+ O8FEObnsk+MA20p5cYp6JgNWsGqdoaBDPY6qltWqHJiZnB5kA8nNlQ6RvGLyTIvjbkHs JtyKgZ2mYug062L/BVP5vU3yg+FRBYt0a6Xe/pY0nRL7xaitIfvTXLX4a/cZgd+0WgfG hcnd/glZcmsxjUWquAQMXOz4uMyNAOIr2Im8nTJxNKrNuI3eL+rd+8+8C3QeCDi45/oN wNPg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aHy57xljgJV0tTco5RkLkNpshtPnd/gl1JuongVZDhA=; b=riDGbTaMh+qOyJsYWQ7soZHmbiM/3bu13N7PAiKgJkYPNw/XanfHlv+Tmxuw283FLO x+Yetf8ZqMVi9hm7rPnYiiJputbQqLYemvEGCZQamFTvPMWBbIAxdnKUmcfjJu0KNpPU zJhE+vmo37A/NI6QKHKSmdwwsKx1Q8lHVJPLRLsW/n9pkqcrOAZ+2GHPlfi3EY1Wl/QW 10g9cloH8/baR/790qYM28LeBoM8RLRMmQKDfPpzbVFdmT/Z2YDLEPhEMpbHCn4t3sS+ rmitlZ5bBzawxqwDHmOAfy3hL/9sGG1T9qc6iPyyTXWOSh6lI04eKdavg/ts4hA2T9In KCIw== Dikue3TzXSDxu61Jq0gbH/815MMZoARYOog1/6EKJ0FCb2Q= Thu, 05 Sep 2019 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 17:16:38 -0400 To: jamesf@groupwbench.org Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0271692336832752165== --000000000000c709470591d4d64c Howdy, 1/4 acre is pretty darned small. Like "Use a self propelled push mower" small. That said, if you _really_ want a machine to do it all, that sounds pretty ideal for a sub-compact tractor. You'll need to bring a bunch more money to buy one though. I think new name brand with a loader and a belly mower will be well over $10k. Used is going to vary of course, but a quick glance at ebay is showing $9k for something that looks reasonable. A sub compact tractor also isn't nearly as good a mower as a zero turn. Of course, the front loader on the tractor works a lot better than the non-existent one on the zero turn. :) If it were me, I'd probably pay the landscaper and get a push mower. But I'd also check out sub compacts, just because. :) Mark On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM jamesf--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have about 1/4 acre of land to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green > stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove > the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and > come out with something nicer. > > I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had > the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks > but none bigger than my head. > > I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area. > > I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings. > > I need to mow the grass. > > Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or > a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding > mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine > exist? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000c709470591d4d64c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

1/4 acre is pretty darned small.= =C2=A0 Like "Use a self propelled push mower" small.

That = said, if you _really_ want a machine to do it all, that sounds pretty ideal= for a sub-compact tractor.=C2=A0 You'll need to bring a bunch more mon= ey to buy one though.

I think new name brand with a loader and a bel= ly mower will be well over $10k.=C2=A0 Used is going to vary of course, but= a quick glance at ebay is showing $9k for something that looks reasonable.=

A sub compact tractor also isn't nearly as good a mower as a ze= ro turn.=C2=A0 Of course, the front loader on the tractor works a lot bette= r than the non-existent one on the zero turn.=C2=A0 :)

If it were me= , I'd probably pay the landscaper and get a push mower.=C2=A0 But I'= ;d also check out sub compacts, just because.=C2=A0 :)

Mark

On = Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM jamesf--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have about 1/4 acre of l= and to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green
stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove
the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and come out with something nicer.

I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks
but none bigger than my head.

I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area.=C2=A0

I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings.= =C2=A0

I need to mow the grass.

Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding
mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine
exist?

thanks,
jim
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Thread-Index: AQHVZBKmpLyiOP8gRkGWCRz4jIqkGKcfJKAw Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 02:06:00 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:2401EC04EE20670CB315436AC283C093790F2512A79D26EC9A630AE3FB4344A7; UpperCasedChecksum:D1B98B0AA3A08005B3EAC617E1AFE2E8EBAE0AE0644D19F5D59609684D99D57B; SizeAsReceived:6928; Count:43 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [dWBKZizHtqdD0DoI/C+VvDF4cFvEBxjw] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 43 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119158)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:CO1NAM03HT029; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CO1NAM03HT029: x-ms-exchange-purlcount: 5 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: NaePgw3+Oc1GlJx4Zv7sPgJukwy0vL6CmlEnvpo2SPJuZY4+QskxetiIY9+0pdj7Xdg5ZOODYeNLpS+oM8+hggCWklXemvgWe/VWUyNNg1J5SZqaetvFFmgie3p+VjyqzBOsAazEvL6rQmtU12PpbynzDuypM/0ZsQ+V9lqJtYGc6WgwzHqoKEcDPgaCbk07 x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? From: Rich White via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4518588476745246806== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR17MB130105BA6152D7571A4CD2ADE1B50CY4PR17MB1301namp_" --_000_CY4PR17MB130105BA6152D7571A4CD2ADE1B50CY4PR17MB1301namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like others have said 1/4 is too small to need a riding lawn mower. We have a older Cub Cadet and a johnnybucket. It is the great for landscapi= ng jobs. http://www.johnnyproducts.com/J_Bucket_HTMs/JBpage_Jr_Simplicity.htm [http://www.johnnyproducts.com/images/Simplicity%20JBJr/S%20front%20scoope.= jpg1zB] Johnny Bucket Jr. Page Features & Benefits: Installs in Minutes installs in minutes Just remove th= e deck and attach it to the tractor's front hitch points, pin the lifting r= od and you're ready to go hauling and just minutes back to mowing.. Down Fo= rce Pressure The JBJr has just as much down force pressure as it has lift c= apacity. It works great for scraping and back dragging. www.johnnyproducts.com Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of jamesf--- v= ia Shop-talk Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 12:51 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus? I have about 1/4 acre of land to take care of. 2/3 is mowable green stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and come out with something nicer. I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks but none bigger than my head. I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area. I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings. I need to mow the grass. Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine exist? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net www.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=3D02%7C01%7C%7C7a47afd5a2fe4f4a85c308d7= 3229c839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637033027339624269&am= p;sdata=3D2AbTUOa709aJxRaLA96OEgccm%2Bz72pQ7fBsem7eFFFg%3D&reserved=3D0 Archive: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2= Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Fshop-talk&data=3D02%7C01%7C%7C7a47afd5a2fe4= f4a85c308d73229c839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6370330273= 39624269&sdata=3DyeHL%2Bo%2BvU1HIjVoAvHnVe0Pexw5YS4KJJTT2NttCp4M%3D&= ;reserved=3D0 https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A= %2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=3D02%7C01%7C%7C7a47afd5a2fe4f4a85c3= 08d73229c839%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63703302733962426= 9&sdata=3DEV%2Bi1zi3bylXBseVhM7ePdG%2FZETojbky4qTXO5L0X0E%3D&reserv= ed=3D0 ttp%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fshop-talk%2Frlwhitetr3b%40= hotmail.com&data=3D02%7C01%7C%7C7a47afd5a2fe4f4a85c308d73229c839%7C84df= 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637033027339624269&sdata=3DkJn5H= k%2BVEmdz60k54y0HvJ0UjrWNU%2Fg%2FIW7fyawyer8%3D&reserved=3D0 --_000_CY4PR17MB130105BA6152D7571A4CD2ADE1B50CY4PR17MB1301namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Like others have said 1/4 is too small to need a riding lawn mower.
We have a older Cub Cadet and a johnnybucket. It is the great for landscapi= ng jobs.

 <= a href=3D"http://www.johnnyproducts.com/J_Bucket_HTMs/JBpage_Jr_Simplicity.= htm" id=3D"LPlnk687406">http://www.johnnyproducts.com/J_Bucket_HTMs/JBpage_= Jr_Simplicity.htm
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Features & Benefits: Installs in Minutes installs in minutes Just remov= e the deck and attach it to the tractor's front hitch points, pin the lifti= ng rod and you're ready to go hauling and just minutes back to mowing.. Dow= n Force Pressure The JBJr has just as much down force pressure as it has lift capacity. It works great for scrap= ing and back dragging.
www.johnnyproducts.com


Rich White Central, IL USA
'63 TR3B TCF###L
That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car!

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of jamesf--- via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 12:51 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Riding mower plus?
 
I have about 1/4 acre of land to take care of. 2/3= is mowable green
stuff, 1/3 is rocks. Rather than give $4500 to a landscaper to remove
the rocks and plant grass I figured I could buy a machine and DIY it and come out with something nicer.

I need to rake the rocks out of the subsoil that was replaced when I had the sewer pipe put in. This is New England so there are a lot of rocks
but none bigger than my head.

I need to spread topsoil or manure over that area. 

I need to dig a few 8" x 48" holes for deck expansion footings.&n= bsp;

I need to mow the grass.

Is there a machine that will do all this? I can find a riding mower, or a big PTO tractor, but it seems I need something in the middle. Riding
mower with rake and then just rent the hole auger? Does such a machine
exist?

thanks,
jim
_______________________________________________

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--_000_CY4PR17MB130105BA6152D7571A4CD2ADE1B50CY4PR17MB1301namp_-- --===============4518588476745246806== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4518588476745246806==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 9 21:12:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A9BA09E3 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 21:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic313-24.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.137.65.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988A8A0889 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 20:39:36 -0600 (MDT) t=1568083176; bh=KZC+/AkuMd4nZLysGHvBB1f6QIsqbBYs9CkC9PUbPaw=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=5trquq1LwH7JHPSVN+bkJFz3WHSBxZ4KhTbAddHQW9L5g/xHKvXVig+RfeEPkzhigbkPd3xE/vgKscqjFqB27kVcihnxUlSmnbHYswqywJi6DO3gPnj1tzgnepfAFf/e9ALwpKfNjOkyZPyiEOUp9POxU6xLliWbmmNVuZVPVQM= zfnfmcahc7GgAfJPjWnZbwkzFaKcfAHxyIC9V1A5kB99ovG.Uay35mfhiTm3blSTlWZ9Q7u7rk4e KUrIQ5jI4tjai59tgscsCHCzsQ2aeN6Ia_BA.JgXomYl2rdHIdLfaO8jQ3b5tfNAykdJmooF6Sn9 va5zWUa4hhutaLC2ZN9F7GuQ4pfmZVnyONc2kALHIKU.vNsH3tQ0pMRk8c051gy5_PA_Ds9NxkVj fUcWbqDL2ZwtaTprPgd_9H7TnGA5qCeV1L0pCunm7COQMDOZRgxE9VSIGkOIJfXJsZ5fefbctS7p weZKROxDF_kalSfLb2fEjedSEUdKw2bICK08LkoL.pRBCHuN3BmAjcP5Qh_wpe.PdNoosqIBjZ2y 9UMPCBuk1DedQ9_iHg7rhWFlJ5516ssJnHHyrlRjlMmUcUOjO9UcL0cYI0pgmffbNIX6ENlrZ9Ei 57KgOvJXfwxVFWLBA5R.iL5_J9LOYCtzhF6fvzpqOgK8BTE7fRST6WY6b9tT5PnVPSPx21cmv3ek pB.St.dXaiNmTTTsuE.nHVuFtecmcEASgDzjzrQBhxTH8EEXbfPEcOZD7I3q3Uw8ob0WNWzZFCOW BlpaQcqSaixxYFnyiscUMJONTgGHm.suxRNBYLi0TFURE.5UhSQIWoVs5ThFEWtBIoBm.vFhJUzk Aboh6ovHP2tcJfYyvGxTGT1MQMk4Xm7ckBwrIXx_huZtQhGq4CvS5vczCsd8iiysY0Tzzrc5yyBb 7YMj0zavsusoG4uNWUebFNYsCCFHXJds5LG2mll0iO1RG1ZJ0IZoF3A.y_g3s8REmv6Mk160SgHt IUBLj9D5eSChF7lXnAioGpPf88iHVGOGxhFD4KvxPiC_yrMcJODRtDwdLgGGgeaIpA43E3hENeTk cSxXYdhrAwf_ZDtNM3YLg72TzkQE9CKBo88hvRVIaxY4bG8soOuagYC7ElVV13R0dQdEYXbMMdjX 7LqR6RkSzO5edUqc7L4kAcRSscW22nQiNqpUzaSx2J3EE_gWUzSfhzX3nHy2_BtAvUwqxZf7SeHF 1lZJsgJTn7mrGLdNoD9HVKUZjzK08b38zQ5SCujcZhHXn.2OOqwJLPLIwIn74aPjkyNAhf4GewSI vFxqg_dWYHeplM9XaMRd4gkOgnmpXqpJWoDIFBvIfj1MKnmZug4CKYgHLnTVTjRSpPXw7c7iiMgl 7Yw6afUGQ8ZiRRipnch67bU1oqJCcOoAC1aCeVZJgtAeuuA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 02:39:36 +0000 Received: by smtp418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 397b6708cc8659e965738692f6d33673; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 02:39:33 +0000 (UTC) To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 21:39:33 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings From: john niolon via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3962047247685826935== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D56757.12222160" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D56757.12222160 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c unit in my = truck project. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash tray = and the glove box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where = vintage air routes their stuff so their pre-bent tubes don't go where I = need them to. First I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I = have... then 1/2 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing = bent in desired shape with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, = which is gonna work with one exception... I'm having to reduce from 5/8" = tube to 1/2" and add an adapter. That's not a problem but all the = clamping is the problem. Typical screw clamps take up a lot of room and = are hindering my route. I=E2=80=99m having to go around the end of the = a/c unit next to the kick panel and it's tight over there. There is no = room for the clamps where I need them. I started researching other = clamping solutions and came up with two ideas.. #1 is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for = plumbing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for = air lines with good success.. #2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy = to fabricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car = shows they do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using = stainless steel wire .062 .. so a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... = if I use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps = will hold and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place = when complete so I=E2=80=99m looking for foolproof. =20 I=E2=80=99m looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust = than the standard single crimp Home Depot variety oetiker link the other option is the Crimptite wire clamps clamp tite example these will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples = online. And, using SS wire should make it even better.... experience ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome thanks john https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01D56757.12222160 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c = unit in=20 my truck project. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash = tray and=20 the glove box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where vintage = air=20 routes their stuff so their pre-bent tubes don't go where I need them=20 to.First=20 I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I have... = then 1/2=20 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing bent in desired = shape=20 with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, which is gonna work with = one=20 exception... I'm having to reduce from 5/8" tube to 1/2" and add an = adapter.=20 That's not a problem but all the clamping is the problem. Typical screw = clamps=20 take up a lot of room and are hindering my route. I=E2=80=99m having to = go around the=20 end of the a/c unit next to the kick panel and it's tight over there. = There is=20 no room for the clamps where I need them.  I started researching = other=20 clamping solutions and came up with two ideas..#1 is pex type clamps... either single or double = crimp... they=20 work for plumbing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used = them for=20 air lines with good success..
 
#2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. = this tool is=20 easy to fabricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at = the car=20 shows they do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using = stainless=20 steel wire .062 ..
 
so=20 a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if = I use=20 standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will = hold and be=20 leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when complete so = I=E2=80=99m=20 looking for foolproof. 
 
I=E2=80=99m=20 looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the = standard=20 single crimp Home Depot variety
= oetiker=20 link
 
the=20 other option is the Crimptite wire clamps
 
clamp=20 tite example
 
these=20 will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. And, = using=20 SS wire should make it even better....
 
experience=20 ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome
 
thanks
john
 
 


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Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john niolon= via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:39 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings I'm trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c unit in my truck p= roject. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash tray and the glo= ve box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where vintage air routes= their stuff so their pre-bent tubes don't go where I need them to. First I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I have..= . then 1/2 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing bent in = desired shape with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, which is gonna= work with one exception... I'm having to reduce from 5/8" tube to 1/2" and= add an adapter. That's not a problem but all the clamping is the problem. = Typical screw clamps take up a lot of room and are hindering my route. I=92= m having to go around the end of the a/c unit next to the kick panel and it= 's tight over there. There is no room for the clamps where I need them. I = started researching other clamping solutions and came up with two ideas.. #1 is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for plu= mbing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for air line= s with good success.. #2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy to = fabricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car shows= they do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using stainless ste= el wire .062 .. so a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if = I use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will = hold and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when comp= lete so I=92m looking for foolproof. I=92m looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the st= andard single crimp Home Depot variety oetiker link the other option is the Crimptite wire clamps clamp tite example these will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. A= nd, using SS wire should make it even better.... experience ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome thanks john https://jniolon.classicpickup.com/ --_000_BYAPR15MB280788B4925A5A27798AEB90BBB60BYAPR15MB2807namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates Powergri= p


Summit and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john niolon via Shop-talk <sh= op-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:39 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings
 
I'm trying to install heater lines to my vintage air a/c unit in my truck proj= ect. I'm hampered by access because I filled in the ash tray and the glove = box. And my bulkhead plate and fittings are not where vintage air routes th= eir stuff so their pre-bent tubes don't go where I need them to.

First I tried 5/8" hose and it was too thick to get thru the space I have..= . then 1/2 tube with the same result.. Last try was 1/2" SS tubing ben= t in desired shape with tubing on each end to attaching fittings, which is = gonna work with one exception... I'm having to reduce from 5/8" tube to 1/2" and add an adapter. That's not = a problem but all the clamping is the problem. Typical screw clamps take up= a lot of room and are hindering my route. I=92m having to go around the en= d of the a/c unit next to the kick panel and it's tight over there. There is no room for the clamps where I need them.&= nbsp; I started researching other clamping solutions and came up with two i= deas..

#1 is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for plumb= ing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for air lines = with good success..
 
#2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy to fa= bricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car shows t= hey do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using stainless steel= wire .062 ..
 
so a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if I = use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will ho= ld and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when comple= te so I=92m looking for foolproof. 
 
I=92= m looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the standar= d single crimp Home Depot variety
 
the other option is the Crimptite wire clamps
 
 
thes= e will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. And, u= sing SS wire should make it even better....
 
expe= rience ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome
 
than= ks
john=
 
 


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--_000_BYAPR15MB280788B4925A5A27798AEB90BBB60BYAPR15MB2807namp_-- --===============8930536491502676366== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8930536491502676366==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 08:08:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4C4A0795 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B8FA077C for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:07:50 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1568124469; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=S6rHMpAO4aB4rrWv+A1X6FFPAbQ=; b=UmfJaUPOUcXS8X2ST/532B5q5hvQTgq2PdGdH1eDSwQiuYnCqDLJ0vod727bL9LI SNOCkmBNXSU3YnWJZq9IzsBhmkWWjl7BYpqAV/sqseVnHH4tj9afLd2cOCevwA3q QeqE+Tp/Qif2tdqSzaRFAkkOSQQe5IjNzb1o6FFqPf31LHnuUL6PkZuOwq3m2ThR Ygwd/ra0Q97tz155II6uLmdhCsFnyT7Oyzzi3xGTt2Fsi6bbv+PtY2APbA7RelKg YVYW6/9BDitskrkxoc3885zz3pDAE67ZapKf1ifn+nd8ywrz8E5MadBvdNosxNJ6 QpYMTrRZ+ALBrcbVpeabeA==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=G4AL91FDQrsoO52o2TIy+w==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=7_fQV5oqhewA:10 a=J70Eh1EUuV4A:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=yvXOkuI8pqEA:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=5FALwSqHKjl0WTG_LGUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=R4UCtgEezlfuwMJD:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Received: from [10.41.66.16] ([10.41.66.16:49908] helo=md80.onyx.dfw.sync.lan) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTP id A4/B5-25051-53EA77D5; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:07:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) To: john niolon References: <2CE3A839CCA4477E9D4B9DA41321E667@Johnsdesktop> Thread-Topic: alternate use for PEX fittings Thread-Index: AQHVZ4WMMf+/ZsG85ku48iBd0BNiV6ck6CUfMgjCJas= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings From: ERIC RUSSELL via Shop-talk Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0892337202041811497== boundary="=_a6d8dfa1-988c-4d25-aacb-8c37468b5e32" --=_a6d8dfa1-988c-4d25-aacb-8c37468b5e32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All I can offer are guesses. Would a place that makes hydraulic hoses be able to supply you with an alternative? Maybe they have reducing fittings? And once crimped together it should make a long-life connection. Perhaps they could even fabricate a SS or Al tube bent to the desired configuration with appropriate fittings on each end? Eric RussellMebane, NC --=_a6d8dfa1-988c-4d25-aacb-8c37468b5e32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All I can o= ffer are guesses. 

Would= a place that makes hydraulic hoses be able to supply you with an alternati= ve? Maybe they have reducing fittings? And once crimped together it should = make a long-life connection. Perhaps they could even fabricate a SS or Al t= ube bent to the desired configuration with appropriate fittings on each end= ? 

Eric Russell
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--=_a6d8dfa1-988c-4d25-aacb-8c37468b5e32-- --===============0892337202041811497== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0892337202041811497==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 08:18:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AED8A07FC for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E5BA0795 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CFA206028 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id punr0VJc81F8 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (pok2.bluebird.ibm.com [129.42.208.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C2AE201D20 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2CE3A839CCA4477E9D4B9DA41321E667@Johnsdesktop> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:18:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1086092173719524394== boundary="------------99E37299E769FC467A2C39A9" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------99E37299E769FC467A2C39A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was thinking the same.  Heat-shrink hose clamps should do the job nice and compact. On 9/10/19 9:31 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote: > Another option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates > Powergrip > > https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-power/engine-hose/hose-clamps-amp-couplings/gates-powergrip-sb-clamp/p/7405-000000-000000 > > Summit and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes. > > Brian Warrick > Nampa, ID > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------99E37299E769FC467A2C39A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I was thinking the same.  Heat-shrink hose clamps should do the job nice and compact.


On 9/10/19 9:31 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote:
Another option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates Powergrip


Summit and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID


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Just my limited experience with replumbing a house with PEX using the SS band clamps.  They are fine until you start pulling and flexing on the tubes.  They can leak but will seal up once left alone.  This might be a problem in a truck.  The issue isn't the bands the issue is the PEX.  The clamps are quite similar to crimped clamps used on modern cars.

On 9/9/2019 10:39 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk wrote:

#1 is pex type clamps... either single or double crimp... they work for plumbing at higher pressure than radiator hose and I've used them for air lines with good success..
 
#2 option is using wire clamps from a clamptite tool. this tool is easy to fabricate (and not spend 60 bucks) and from what I've seen at the car shows they do make a nice tight secure clamp on the hoses... using stainless steel wire .062 ..
 
so a question for the plumbers/pipefitters that have worked with PEX... if I use standard barbed fittings do you think the Pex crimp type clamps will hold and be leak proof... this will be in an non-accessible place when complete so I’m looking for foolproof. 
 
I’m looking at the Oeitker clamps since they seem more robust than the standard single crimp Home Depot variety
 
the other option is the Crimptite wire clamps
 
 
these will also clamp down tightly as you can see by the examples online. And, using SS wire should make it even better....
 
experience ?? opinion ?? guesses ?? all welcome
 
thanks
john
 
 

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I'm having to reduce from >> 5/8" tube to 1/2" and add an adapter. > > Any way you could braze/solder/TIG as appropriate the reducer to the > 5/8in outlet to cut down on the number of hoses/tubes/clamped joints? I will note that on my '65 Mustang with later Fox 5.0 conversion and Vintage Air installation (intended for a carbed setup), I retained the Fox-style hard-line (copper alloy) heater-water manifold, trimmed down the back end of the outlet tube, wire brushed the crap out of the inside of the tube, pressed the Vintage Air (Chevy-style) heater valve into the tube, rotated it so that the actuator lever and cable cleared everything (not by too much) then flowed some Metalset A4 epoxy heated to warm-cheap-pancake-syrup consistency into the assembly behind the valve's barb. This took about six inches I didn't have off the length of the whole assembly, from what it'd have been with hose segments holding the bits together. So far so good, we'll see how it holds up over time. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 11:39:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A41A071B for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:39:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic310-24.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (unknown [98.137.69.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76F4A070A for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:39:16 -0600 (MDT) t=1568137156; bh=zGUaDjBJLOuVSkoA/nKAqEcENYGXat7wkzsg058zORM=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=VZJtCDgONL2HXVzf0QnmkZhL2sFJbdGnT6gNwUN8iiuXCKJTPH92rEsMGCeRaRKKbG8kcMhzg7NoFHFjLLjN+IwEsMjDkD7kHWDxJYCev1EV+sPzeLnLjJVyL6kJ42emrGZmGPyp6sgURJl4JCh2wIwX1LcvWht/YC8q4iDIGDc= PHKxoykfuvUpH93VD0EdCwSddFrboO49RrY3GyolsrJ3nIhgk2sFxeE0bXMI1YcGW6_.09CioRgC QfYrGAqRvoGW5T8t9_aIqlfDlCRrmjVpVHHMr3CazjPXrvY3b1dolZOo.Ucx_9Zk4Fq0LiMK6IMh SwF_94EaXIKsGRyvG4oPXqV1tv6rCb0ajIy1bq1ksb9P1..Ct3_1nH.QHfbV4AJBZDJ2M4Z1jigj vDM8HH.vfrsfOLQxTo9V6vnC7c9lBeLe5vap1DA64xVD8vc8DDirUK7zk54mzL4Q5f.pROb1PbKx 1PrOMvYuqHYYtzUYAMC_PJUf_xQ39W20haI3.y3Et3JzNlQHQqCLwLTjPO_qUQpmqe0tj63_AVho PpIwqYoVZs5RVSneEpWEEwg7Ds9Wn5oh1eTImfv3T8aPGmzxjhViMRZ7T8upoC_he2rak00Yy2kV pzK7GSRcggqiAqelVRMZHNQ3TFzbDEppbPhV2FqL7v8TBmLrhIRj6eYhrB4qnWsCytnaVgrOooaU OEsYdI46i41Is4iT5OegfycsYx6yiyjCzLXJTlZ1r1bHhNvXPdzYwdWPE8euxXMLnVngchFyv_Hw 42rDY1thrhmtXJAEuU_neelkWpIN7Y.0VgSjgXJCRacmVKRJcQEKYjBD.e7otq5x2TV3udKPpM1B DDUOnUOAHcauB2nhN4Ct0cobNvkV3zf9.0gu1aFmcB3WbLlpHF1ocDskRxHQ4LTv0a04YltJ9OYr TVYVtPHQa7N4yGmpdhAB_e_YBxjFECiEAL.PecLo3lr_3_3ypV9tr7bXkYYX8_L8crvAQ1bN6LX2 K9eFGFV.uWRMsLRVtLLx2rB5Eb.fiU8nRPq_iNLT7xhj_2f.gAKDTkLS2FeItF5eJRKIhwNpUqPh qGgGo7xLNf.IVXbUk9Q_8My9L5_0Rs7YcYx0pc1JYF1K52idF6Je.udzaCezyy1R.L_35Yf_8tV4 WCHaQNQJI50qALAa7fuaQxRpTqkK0pcQo4amlxVQa8cUuhATRl.WrlImBgFzesHESqucc6iXVXL4 LqIl_XbuBgvRxXpQNfGDB2bXiuwshJibahFgpT9RE38tqYfm.ZeXG1B8jEei3oE8bgJPwRt8tztf PLOIeJOGWoUB1SIdMDjv8qLZ8qSZ1Sd3tl7zQrSMaU0GgS.W33nQUgI3oIEvGEIcUNWLruLO3xdg 5jF8CT93kZ1jtqm4mc75jfQBq4X.3lhFHRrJ3FGJKfdFCj5yjNygUzfV8Xw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:39:16 +0000 Received: by smtp419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID af8984d2707f7c1bcad1b79dd88c28e7; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) To: "Jimmie Mayfield" , "shop-talk" References: <2CE3A839CCA4477E9D4B9DA41321E667@Johnsdesktop> <5fd9947b-fc7f-b85c-465a-1c99e6b85536@sackheads.org> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:39:12 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings From: john niolon via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7655175043248464231== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018C_01D567D4.BFCD2D00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018C_01D567D4.BFCD2D00 charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for all the suggestions and after talking to the Gates tech guy = and the guy at jegs.com I=92ve ordered a couple of necessary sizes... = more to come j From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:18 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alternate use for PEX fittings I was thinking the same. Heat-shrink hose clamps should do the job nice = and compact. On 9/10/19 9:31 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote: Another option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates = Powergrip = https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-power/engine-hose/hose-clamps-amp-coupl= ings/gates-powergrip-sb-clamp/p/7405-000000-000000 Summit and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes. 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thanks for all the suggestions and after talking to the Gates tech = guy and=20 the guy at jegs.com I=92ve ordered a couple of necessary sizes... more = to=20 come
 
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I was thinking the same.  Heat-shrink = hose=20 clamps should do the job nice and compact.
 
 
On 9/10/19 9:31 AM, Brian and Wendy via = Shop-talk=20 wrote:
Another=20 option would be the heat shrink hose clamp such as a Gates = Powergrip
 
https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-power/engine-h= ose/hose-clamps-amp-couplings/gates-powergrip-sb-clamp/p/7405-000000-0000= 00
 
Summit=20 and Jegs both have this style of clamp in a variety of sizes.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_018C_01D567D4.BFCD2D00-- --===============7655175043248464231== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7655175043248464231==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 12:25:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3304A07D3 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB161A07BF for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:24:45 -0600 (MDT) t=1568139884; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=AYRpMAoAo9S6PfWcmgBk0SZfwNa5IvrB3gBqSH6DIYQsC8q4CYJ1GH0fXp+g3iMYR FQgHIEeEGnBVhFY99tV0zqYrSinFZptl0B4BZzMhgx6NfUfwUnJcklWGOa6WhSyTtM 2HUWFj793aosGLXAX1eSZVOmaaCf+AMWclvy0ooA= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABQZR4VJAQ4MFN2 for (sender ); Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.225.35.1] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:23:07 GMT Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:23:07 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Matt via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2545335706080923776== ----__JWM__J715e6eaf.60203ffcS.51ebf75aM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in= a hard to reach location.I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point bo= x wrench I am using is slipping off.I am having trouble locating a 6 poi= nt wrench (10mm by the way). QUESTION:What is your experience with the = roller based wrenches that are marketed as "no slip" and well suited to = partially rounded fasteners? TIA! ----__JWM__J715e6eaf.60203ffcS.51ebf75aM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking a= nd it is in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using i= s slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the wa= y).
 
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are mar= keted as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
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TIA!
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I have not had much success with the "no-slip&qu= ot; wrenches.=C2=A0 I found that if you have 2 good corners, they sometimes= work, but I also broke one trying to free a stuck bolt.=C2=A0
If you are able to get a socket on it, but don't have room for the r= atchet, try using a wrench adapter.=C2=A0 I have had much success using the= se in tight spots.=C2=A0 I can't find an example online but I bought a = set are Sears many years ago.=C2=A0 Basically just t little adapter that go= es in the drive end of the socket in place of a ratchet or breaker bar.=C2= =A0 Is has a hex head that is very thin that allows you to get on it with a= wrench.=C2=A0 Or two.=C2=A0 Or a 4' length of pipe over the handle of = a wrench.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt via Shop-talk <<= a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net>= wrote:
I h= ave a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a har= d to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using = is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=C2=A0 (10mm by the way).=
=C2=A0
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are market= ed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
=C2=A0
TIA!
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FWIW, I have 6-point metric wrenches from both MAC and MA= TCO. So they exist, if you can't find anything else.
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Hell I'll send you one of mine if you send i= t back.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 12:28 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> = wrote:
I have= not had much success with the "no-slip" wrenches.=C2=A0 I found = that if you have 2 good corners, they sometimes work, but I also broke one = trying to free a stuck bolt.=C2=A0
If you are able to get a = socket on it, but don't have room for the ratchet, try using a wrench a= dapter.=C2=A0 I have had much success using these in tight spots.=C2=A0 I c= an't find an example online but I bought a set are Sears many years ago= .=C2=A0 Basically just t little adapter that goes in the drive end of the s= ocket in place of a ratchet or breaker bar.=C2=A0 Is has a hex head that is= very thin that allows you to get on it with a wrench.=C2=A0 Or two.=C2=A0 = Or a 4' length of pipe over the handle of a wrench.

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On Tue, Se= p 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net= > wrote:
=
I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is = in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using = is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=C2=A0 (10mm by the way).=
=C2=A0
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are market= ed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
=C2=A0
TIA!
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So they > exist, if you can't find anything else. Yeah, 6-point 10mm wrenches exist and can be found, or can you just get a pair of vise-grips on the damn thing? John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 15:15:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3163AA0637 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F1FA061A for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.outlook.com ([52.125.138.8]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 7nTOiIW86O8az7nTOipv1r; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:14:51 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1568150091; bh=eo9Fphl3Ju5vQxK4TTLrRr4NxtWnvU0zRj215gP4+Hc=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=IxZkok/mx0/zDDWykI9/807OnqPkEjld7/xytfA+n+Os8KnHdDLWjZ2Pc6b04e/+U QizMcRN9iK+uBFCjeHhXBD7UTrrNp0ze/akjyXW98jwnzkscmg8v3gFoqjh4+FOpYE Xdam3NMoDp32LtYWtwwv0Y93VmtGq5GwI79naXc0= a=Esza2q1QjfpVAJjkBeLBFA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QNgDkBmGtlAa0Bcg60UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_EeEMxcBAAAA:8 a=zJxRcBAyewadz-cz:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=xKPl_Oh14GoA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=syqr5EOPB93U0NEwqYpB:22 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Matt References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> n/VSKMo9XpI5lXJBg6WmPhzQ4Vt9SfL20i6XAW9FAf/fEbtnZH0DnrHc5Sv7mUGwS9aIwePdiz3HGQzByaCcBRgxyGcmO7gDriw= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Neil Sherry via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8676159860336770082== boundary="----=_Part_15209_1830816468.1568150090117" ------=_Part_15209_1830816468.1568150090117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rather than using brute force, get some heat on it. If has already rounded,= it's reluctant to move, so deal with that first and then whatever you use = will have a fighting chance. Neil Sent from Outlook for Android On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" wrote: I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a = hard to reach location. I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slippi= ng off. I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=C2=A0 (10mm by the way). =C2=A0 QUESTION: What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed as= "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? =C2=A0 TIA! ------=_Part_15209_1830816468.1568150090117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Rather than using brute force, get some heat on it. If has already rounded, it's reluctant to move, so deal with that first and then whatever you use will have a fighting chance.
Neil

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the way).
 
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
 
TIA!
------=_Part_15209_1830816468.1568150090117-- --===============8676159860336770082== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8676159860336770082==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 17:00:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206A2A06DC for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.178.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B569A06C6 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0742100003 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:00:02 -0400 References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> To: Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4598241910932047163== boundary="Apple-Mail=_B181D96F-33B1-46FA-8BD0-ABE485E89D02"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_B181D96F-33B1-46FA-8BD0-ABE485E89D02 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii > On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Matt via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is = in a hard to reach location. > I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is = slipping off. > I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). > =20 If nothing else works, a very good mechanic friend just goes straight = for the welder. 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Bob On 9/10/2019 11:23 AM, Matt via Shop-talk wrote: > I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is = > in a hard to reach location. > I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is = > slipping off. > I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=A0 (10mm by the way). > QUESTION: > What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are = > marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 10 22:33:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11D7A0703 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (unknown [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D98A05DE for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:33:12 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1568176392; bh=YoRM7UTkRESqY/uILaVMt41lyeYldfVeUYSG TcZ+U2E=; h=Received:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=DmyGyJ1ZUZ6dF4aRncmrtmgmKD/AImi+n IyRYfk2KJ8rUPt334hbkaSBp2GwDGsSwpsyrZmF/JfxpsAM8AbRZhRdckHl72Gk9+Yi yE265IuXCTBLt6qLJQUw2jfnJZep4fMs4er4np5RauQ/UGyPGu/rbj5p9P68VzqxVs/ MltxrbCokYN+Ixb24TI5MnYFqCYPt623Ejjz+jgDmUfb/FiAvgEZ9FNQE72RRVO5cCB GlncBBwaP1d5oirI08ClYGWvkCKLzF0ap/V3zYRJXaYavTHcV9whyixyeyZU0Ob051w 0BVWIofXlhoz2bxw9d2XbqOTZhWxbNQ/iP95qU1Qg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=B2EnFXzO4vgTcXhVzUeR7lkdH0ESVRYRS4PEiJn/BLBDH1Rbnj/RBvAaCR/ycb6+lgixGwSin01E/qFDtZEhpUkT/PkS20HN0kjOMVs8+dKWwHT7GRHke96nlRMWXbcNN/DmAAbNVRLliFo0x0CSFfpzQCQx91JXhL7naxs7yfv4JnuP7k3t+gWFstEqE89/XDmpI0UlzDXEF0XuCwaU7BjAfJVSu28PZcRDLLQ1JNAzUxbBb7he2b3XnqH+L1ZTF6HFCykMKEWpL4WZy7wffJIQyAl9I96v0gBL6Nt86yFDH4ApYdVYpqKKU2dAoYA1p9yToNw6upHju0iXymnBZA==; h=Received:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1i7uJb-000Bus-BT; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 00:33:11 -0400 To: Matt References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:32:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1860140122366095569== boundary="------------ABE110A794D95674B1F5D0BF" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ABE110A794D95674B1F5D0BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Look for a flare nut wrench for the 6-point wrench.  Sample: https://www.harborfreight.com/5-pc-metric-double-end-flare-nut-wrench-set-61357.html Add some penetrating oil and tap it with a hammer a few times to help the oil soak in. Brian > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt via Shop-talk > > I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it > is in a hard to reach location. > I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using > is slipping off. > I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the way). > QUESTION: > What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are > marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? > TIA! > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you   = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown  = > ================================= > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------ABE110A794D95674B1F5D0BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Look for a flare nut wrench for the 6-point wrench.  Sample:
https://www.harborfreight.com/5-pc-metric-double-end-flare-nut-wrench-set-61357.html

Add some penetrating oil and tap it with a hammer a few times to help the oil soak in.

Brian
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the way).
 
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
 
TIA!
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--------------ABE110A794D95674B1F5D0BF-- --===============1860140122366095569== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1860140122366095569==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 00:25:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27972A0081 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 00:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88348A06EE for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 00:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.outlook.com ([52.125.138.8]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 7w4IiDj6Idrax7w4IifxS3; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:25:31 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1568183131; bh=aGdqN/mezMmcawFP2GI36qkjIp81LSDclDIHGTUSdlE=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=diesqRlhm9OAsN8DpgfKngFPb+9/0a4hgcR3UOeRSr8RfTC8nUsi5KoB8JiAHvrYc kt7xlvZouKMdqjXGeU0XZJhWCEbvXq1XQ+5CFYo6ay6RSGSam5Ks8zfglpKsn7yhcI Ua9DE/vZ3BKVnRoauPdGvAa/KwWZ6mZh7pse4nXg= a=Esza2q1QjfpVAJjkBeLBFA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=eoz3RPHrMvB09UfFCDIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_EeEMxcBAAAA:8 a=pOl3o1TEIi30ObHE:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xKPl_Oh14GoA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=syqr5EOPB93U0NEwqYpB:22 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 06:25:30 +0000 (UTC) To: Shop-talk , Jim Franklin References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <98EF4DCF-D5DC-4D92-92BE-9E9BBB9C388F@groupwbench.org> 39wYsE/UthhNP9ximQtwYvYW3kYxjiUFFzNxQ/GZ2M/cwWON8Yg54XyyKt1XXNLVy/XXt92/j3pl8oXflCC6PrVQp/oAl+Swf97F+6mqy0BcnvPT+O1jMDVU Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Neil Sherry via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8269708739251795288== boundary="----=_Part_15620_1344402525.1568183130534" ------=_Part_15620_1344402525.1568183130534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The welding itself is useful as a source of heat. Blob of weld from a MIG on top of the bolt - then try the vice grips. Sent from Outlook for Android On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:01 AM +0100, "Jim Franklin via Shop-talk" wrote: > On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Matt via Shop-talk wrote: > > I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location. > I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off. > I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). > If nothing else works, a very good mechanic friend just goes straight for the welder. Welds on a large, easy to reach bolt and (maybe with heat and penetrating fluid) has success. jim ------=_Part_15620_1344402525.1568183130534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The welding itself is useful as a source of heat. Blob of weld from a MIG on top of the bolt - then try the vice grips.

Sent from Outlook for Android




On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:01 AM +0100, "Jim Franklin via Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


> On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Matt via Shop-talk  wrote:
> 
> I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location.
> I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off.
> I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the way).
>  

If nothing else works, a very good mechanic friend just goes straight for the welder. Welds on a large, easy to reach bolt and (maybe with heat and penetrating fluid) has success.

jim
------=_Part_15620_1344402525.1568183130534-- --===============8269708739251795288== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8269708739251795288==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 06:35:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F531A0660 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 06:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 96AABA0445 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 06:35:23 -0600 (MDT) t=1568205322; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=RseYMt5CuYYdDaixnVLUsmsjz8TutaYhf2/Xz03SYr4/Ao4EXI3Nqkm4vGKasrXit gHCAPzM5BGhkz0fke18KDammWzi5dHL/iS+n7BDSMIorxkBj9BnUOtqQP8LDpBM+xB 0Ggcb6N5nnE3rO7O3alqeKBEjdkWoq7guuCkc9Og= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail06.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.146]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABQZT4R9AUGKYLJ for (sender ); Wed, 11 Sep 2019 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [104.129.206.113] by webmail06.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:34:37 GMT Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:34:37 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question - thanks! From: Matt via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0229066886964790291== ----__JWM__J19573569.385d49caS.f641a61M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for all the good ideas - and especially the loaner offer!6 point= wrench is on the way via Amazon. Not sure if it is age or wisdom but I = haven't actually damaged this fastener much and am taking my time with b= oth penetrants and heat.Probably the best tip though gos to the socket c= aps (https://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-square-drive-socket-caps-6701= 1.html?_br_psugg_q=3Dsocket+cap) I had already ground down a cheap 6 poi= nt socket but still can't get a wobble extension on it. The cap may be = just the ticket, it may also have to visit the grinder though. I figure= d a tool problem would get a rise out of the group! Good to hear from y= ou all! Matt ----__JWM__J19573569.385d49caS.f641a61M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
 
Thanks for all the good ideas - and especially the loaner offer!
6 point wrench is on the way via Amazon.
 
Not sure if it is age or wisdom but I haven't actually damaged this= fastener much and am taking my time with both penetrants and heat.
 
I had already ground down a cheap 6 point socket but still can't ge= t a wobble extension on it.  The cap may be just the ticket, it may= also have to visit the grinder though.  I figured a tool problem w= ould get a rise out of the group!  Good to hear from you all!
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----__JWM__J19573569.385d49caS.f641a61M-- --===============0229066886964790291== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0229066886964790291==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 07:17:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A74CA0620 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF5A02DC for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 81JMi82v5o9aT82PLiVWSK; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:11:39 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1568207499; bh=uYWiK6aPGhUEMDZYIevX6zaMmkdhs83kBbPFnfAVLoY=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=RcUeF/tgFUNVKsJoenpJHMo0z+EKW35lF3PQgz7ugesnclpkVtLU59Hz0aojQTXfw V7i3NJcwv3XE4hVCayP9OG4dxfnkqGaEVN0MrePwKDUii2T6sz2z8otor5GqRbQIKK 1WoG+QhkonAeFT6RmmWsH+/LdUFoMpZqriZCbvncXCkzO7t9QW0qDmZETR+txAn4tR getb54nj8+E6sIYpxBxt+SJcq/GaRZbYZx4X/op5DxxRIajv+s/BXCclaziMWIX/GF fC/eLDIIeKq2aqWJAQ8ST9VjnweT6PlQYvhVsLTwlN1nmUd8D8aQlT4iGf8WNhgWNv N8b3yDc+JbJHg== Received: from [10.0.0.131] ([73.68.51.4]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 82PKie4U5KYFn82PKiOSqC; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:11:39 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:11:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: "Peter J. Thomas via Shop-talk" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you haven't rounded the bolt too much with the 12 point and slipping = is more because of the awkward location, my favorite trick is putting = the wrench on the bolt and lightly tapping the wrench, even a couple = tightening taps.=A0 This is a makeshift impact and impact often works = better than penetrating oil. On 9/10/2019 2:23 PM, Matt via Shop-talk wrote: > I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is = > in a hard to reach location. > I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is = > slipping off. > I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=A0 (10mm by the way). > QUESTION: > What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are = > marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 13:26:47 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BB0A0578 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st43p00im-ztbu10063601.me.com (unknown [17.58.63.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F02A038D for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:26:20 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1568316377; bh=5tcoQxNfBrC+TZbsoRdSyzBz9hwH9jT3g62fWfXlrpg=; h=From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:Message-Id:To; b=ls09IXpE94QqLz3qkwVrTErIf8LIuHF5zo/zIs7q7hI8NX98lKUz79WbRvWc0n7r0 elqaRufQ8DomOoy0PGGtYHk9DPKw11A1997uc4d6mL0LlTS0NfAYQQR8gxQh1q1HTw /fmC6k77J9pctX625T7siCiUGMuZlcQZSFkD0imsL0sKANKovSciKPRAYdcSUB4kLP NgjbHpFbpjRWH8tQytY4TzZ1S6pepAhiPWZis2nQBwJucDmsvqNfdQChirfU2e1XKV M9m9oi0nlw/IKyidxJwp82GwhrLHc7zIAZtlqrDyxjieR+6Ga1j6IdcKHHdRvtY7pC JH72X39f2HC9g== Received: from [192.168.1.69] (71-135-71-56.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [71.135.71.56]) by st43p00im-ztbu10063601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2CC27012D5 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 19:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:26:16 -0500 To: Shop Talk definitions=2019-09-12_10:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=404 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1909120202 Subject: [Shop-talk] Speedometer cable nomenclature From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know the name of the part of a old style speedo cable which has the internal threads that screw on to the speedo and output and has knurling so it screws on by hand ? Bob Nogueira _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 19:25:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3CDA0B86 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 19:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB83A0587 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 19:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 8aDeieIf8URPd8aJvimZqt; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 01:24:19 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1568337859; bh=28y59mdd9Mcsf2oxLsdVfX1tvScgHA0NRSAY+AbUtyU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=C3rFtNwoSKtGwnYM8OzJa4nGmLzQci9U5W6IyVa+tg5F0MULvI9rAbiCRdrDmZoyo am887oE5WrYq3lVKwzaXfTJ+NCiwvmfTFHmVZ24KV8dZC2NIQ+4N5Zu/FcBH7D2nZ2 48vyo4RRWN8GIZMrqFcogIrKc4QDursDhd6ilDDMXoNOgjc484Chnk7YXvxBZK7cGu MyEkcK61kV66XDi7rMCSepe8PBsbcyMke/dvxTnfodqiMQjQCVMqN/LoAYB0tSGu6t 1rgfuoy96vjsE/kHLJhp0mr7o+TSAkMrymrRHECC3Gr3j+l9qXu0j1DejAQo4ZyNYA WBHOchtaSCJOw== Received: from [192.168.1.133] ([68.32.79.140]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 8aJriNLlkcF388aJuiKQQn; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 01:24:19 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <31F341A2-AC4F-4EF0-9258-EF4F3C0BD1DF@icloud.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:24:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Speedometer cable nomenclature From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ?Coupling nut? I've never thought of it otherwise. Donald. *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2019-09-12 3:26 p.m., Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote: > Anyone know the name of the part of a old style speedo cable which has the internal threads that screw on to the speedo and output and has knurling so it screws on by hand ? > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhlocker@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 06:55:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE51A0360 for ; 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Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:55:43 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <31F341A2-AC4F-4EF0-9258-EF4F3C0BD1DF@icloud.com> <4af2ec34-eec2-b0bb-ab52-f84a5d7f952b@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:55:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Speedometer cable nomenclature From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net InNwZWVkb21ldGVyIG51dCIgYW5kICJzcGVlZG9tZXRlciBjYWJsZSBudXQiIHNlYXJjaGVzIHJl dHVybmVkIG1hbnkgdXNlZnVsIApoaXRzLiA8aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3RhcnRwYWdlLmNvbS8+IGlz IG15IHByZWZlcnJlZCBzZWFyY2ggcGxhY2UuCgpEb25hbGQuCi0tCipQbGFpbiBUZXh0KiBlbWFp bCAtLSBpdCdzIGFuIGFjY2Vzc2liaWxpdHkgaXNzdWUKKCkgbm8gcHJvcHJpZXRhcnkgYXR0YWNo bWVudHM7IG5vIGh0bWwgbWFpbAovXCA8aHR0cDovL3d3dy5nZW9yZ2VkaWxsb24uY29tL3dlYi9o dG1sX2VtYWlsX2lzX2V2aWwuc2h0bWw+CgpPbiAxMi1TZXAtMjAxOSAyMToyNCwgRG9uYWxkIEgg TG9ja2VyIHdyb3RlOgo+ID9Db3VwbGluZyBudXQ/IEkndmUgbmV2ZXIgdGhvdWdodCBvZiBpdCBv dGhlcndpc2UuCj4gCj4gRG9uYWxkLgo+IAo+ICpQbGFpbiBUZXh0KiBlbWFpbCAtLSBpdCdzIGFu IGFjY2Vzc2liaWxpdHkgaXNzdWUKPiAoKSBubyBwcm9wcmlldGFyeSBhdHRhY2htZW50czsgbm8g aHRtbCBtYWlsCj4gL1wgPGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ2VvcmdlZGlsbG9uLmNvbS93ZWIvaHRtbF9lbWFp bF9pc19ldmlsLnNodG1sPgo+IAo+IE9uIDIwMTktMDktMTIgMzoyNiBwLm0uLCBSb2JlcnQgTm9n dWVpcmFvIHZpYSBTaG9wLXRhbGsgd3JvdGU6Cj4+IEFueW9uZSBrbm93IHRoZSBuYW1lIG9mIHRo ZSBwYXJ0IG9mIGEgb2xkIHN0eWxlIHNwZWVkbyBjYWJsZSB3aGljaCBoYXMgCj4+IHRoZSBpbnRl cm5hbCB0aHJlYWRzIHRoYXQgc2NyZXcgb24gdG8gdGhlIHNwZWVkbyBhbmQgb3V0cHV0IGFuZCBo YXMgIAo+PiBrbnVybGluZyBzbyBpdCBzY3Jld3Mgb24gYnkgaGFuZCA/Cj4+Cj4+IEJvYiBOb2d1 ZWlyYQo+PiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+ Pgo+PiBTaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKPj4gRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0u bmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sCj4+IFN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb27CoCAkMTIuOTYKPj4g QXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIAo+PiBodHRw Oi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQo+Pgo+PiBVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IAo+PiBo dHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL3Nob3AtdGFsay9kaGxvY2tlckBj b21jYXN0Lm5ldAo+PgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5l dC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTog aHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFt Lm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9t YWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 09:00:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E49A0362 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CE4A02AC for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Sensitivity: Importance: Normal References: , <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> To: "SHOPTALK DIGEST" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:59:55 -0400 9.0.1FP7|August 17, 2016) at 09/13/2019 10:59:55 AM, Serialize complete at 09/13/2019 10:59:55 AM, Serialize by Router on Deep13/Megageek(Release 9.0.1FP7|August 17, 2016) at 09/13/2019 10:59:55 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: eric--- via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, I have had limited success with the "Metrinch" set. It's actually a GREAT set of tools and way high quality for the late night infomercial that it was sold on in the early 90's. But they quickly disappeared. They seem to have the same sets here https://www.metrinch.tv/ now. But the outside of a rounded nut isn't the problem in many cases, it's that the inside is somewhat fused together. That is why I only had limited success. I recently got this, and I wish I had one YEARS ago. No bolt can defeat it. The leads are flexible so you can make it fit into any area. https://www.amazon.com/TFCFL-Induction-Magnetic-Flameless-Mouldings/dp/B07QK93N9M/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3I0GFOXWBLM8E&keywords=induction+heater+bolt+removal&qid=1568386367&s=gateway&sprefix=induction+heater+bolt%2Caps%2C311&sr=8-3 It might be a little pricey at first, but the first stud that you can remove without it breaking in the head it more than pay for itself! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" wrote: I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location. I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off. I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). QUESTION: What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? TIA! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 12:48:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C87A029B for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 91B6EA029B for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:48:22 -0600 (MDT) t=1568400501; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=WWYeMcrO7dvA146+f6uKLlE5vMHYGfOo02Sv0TeRXqJMr/sR4CEhMxgQ1EKKnYVVR PGcO5GSaCDK06sqFQ7U2PIo8lzlCMAGqV0CuPmsbyttJtXINAvGP6PXj/3ISbSxIYS /r5EU4DVXgXLX64SXeDTVUW0mPXIhnbnsnygqYJU= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABQZZ3B4AZDRFX2 for (sender ); Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [104.129.206.113] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:46:06 GMT Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:46:06 GMT To: eric@megageek.com e9d9385571e0143405c08034d9a1bd040df94d3d100da5a564 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Matt via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6745483142919338867== ----__JWM__J45fdda0a.1099d6f1S.7858d85aM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Inch! That is a great tip. I am able to reach the bolt in questio= n reasonably well with my mapp gas torch.I am taking an iterative approa= ch right now and hope to report success soon! Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: eric@megageek.com To: "SHOPTALK DIGEST" Cc: Matt Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:59:55 -0400 Matt, I have had limited success with the "Metrinch" set. It's actually = a GREAT set of tools and way high quality for the late night infomercial= that it was sold on in the early 90's. But they quickly disappeared. Th= ey seem to have the same sets here https://www.metrinch.tv/ now. But the outside of a rounded nut isn't the problem in many cases, it's t= hat the inside is somewhat fused together. That is why I only had limite= d success. I recently got this, and I wish I had one YEARS ago. No bolt can defeat = it. The leads are flexible so you can make it fit into any area. https://www.amazon.com/TFCFL-Induction-Magnetic-Flameless-Mouldings/dp/B= 07QK93N9M/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3I0GFOXWBLM8E&keywords=3Dinduction+heater+= bolt+removal&qid=3D1568386367&s=3Dgateway&sprefix=3Dinduction+heater+bol= t%2Caps%2C311&sr=3D8-3 It might be a little pricey at first, but the first stud that you can re= move without it breaking in the head it more than pay for itself! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationa= l being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph= Waldo Emerson = -Who is John Galt? On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" wrote: I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in= a hard to reach location. I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is sli= pping off. I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). = QUESTION: What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed= as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? = TIA! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/a= rchive @megageek.com ----__JWM__J45fdda0a.1099d6f1S.7858d85aM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks Inch!
 
That is a great tip. 
I am able to reach the bolt in question reasonably well with my map= p gas torch.
I am taking an iterative approach right now and hope to report succ= ess soon!
 
Matt

---------- Original Message ----------
From: eric@me= gageek.com
To: "SHOPTALK DIGEST" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Cc: Matt <mbarre@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Questi= on
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:59:55 -0400

Matt, I have had limi= ted success with the "Metrinch" set. It's actually a GREAT set of tools = and way high quality for the late night infomercial that it was sold on = in the early 90's. But they quickly disappeared. They seem to have the s= ame sets here https://www.metrinch.tv/ now.

But the outside of a = rounded nut isn't the problem in many cases, it's that the inside is som= ewhat fused together. That is why I only had limited success.

I r= ecently got this, and I wish I had one YEARS ago. No bolt can defeat it.= The leads are flexible so you can make it fit into any area.

htt= ps://www.amazon.com/TFCFL-Induction-Magnetic-Flameless-Mouldings/dp/B07Q= K93N9M/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3I0GFOXWBLM8E&keywords=3Dinduction+heater= +bolt+removal&qid=3D1568386367&s=3Dgateway&sprefix=3Dinducti= on+heater+bolt%2Caps%2C311&sr=3D8-3

It might be a little pric= ey at first, but the first stud that you can remove without it breaking = in the head it more than pay for itself!



Sent from my Com= modore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt v= ia Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:



I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is i= n a hard to reach location.

I can't get a socket on it and the 12= point box wrench I am using is slipping off.

I am having trouble= locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way).



QUESTION:<= br>
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are m= arketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
=


TIA!

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Eg, https://www.instructables.com/id/1000W-Portable-Induction-Heater/ Here's an oscillator board for $10 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/HiLetgo-Voltage-Induction-Heating-Flyback/dp/B01N484G CP Rectifier & filter for $15 https://www.amazon.com/NOYITO-Rectifier-Rectifying-Amplifier-Dedicated/dp/B0 7BJJ5337 Aand, power transformer from a scrap microwave oven: https://www.instructables.com/id/Custom-DC-Power-From-Microwave-Oven-Transfo rmer/ -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 12:01:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3744FA0A61 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com (unknown [17.58.6.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0017AA097F for ; 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Thomas" definitions=2019-09-16_07:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=965 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1909160175 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold From: Darrell Walker via Shop-talk Cc: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net CkhpIFBldGVyLAoKVGhhbmtzIGZvciB0aGUgcmVwbHkuICBJcyBwcm9wYW5lIG9yIE1BUCBnYXMg ZW5vdWdoIGhlYXQgZm9yIHRob3NlIHJvZHM/CgpJIGZvcmdvdCB0byBtZW50aW9uLCB0aGUgcGlw ZSBpcyA1LzjigJ0uICBJIGNvdWxkIGRyb3AgZG93biB0byAxLzLigJ0gKHRoYXTigJlzIHdoYXQg SSB3YXMgZ29pbmcgdG8gZG8gaW4gdGhlIGNvcHBlciwgdGhlbiB1cCB0byA1LzjigJ0gd2l0aCBh IGJyYXNzIGhvc2UgYmFyZikuICBCdXQgc2luY2UgSeKAmW0gYnJhemluZyBpdCwgd291bGQgc3Ry YWlnaHQgdGhyZWFkcyBiZSBPSz8gIFRlY2huaWNhbGx5LCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIDUvOOKAnSBOUFQg c2l6ZSBkZWZpbmVkLCBidXQgSeKAmXZlIG5vdCBmb3VuZCBhbnkgdGFwcyBvciBkaWVzIGluIHRo YXQgc2l6ZS4KCi1EYXJyZWxsCgo+IE9uIFNlcCAxNiwgMjAxOSwgYXQgMTA6MzIgQU0sIFBldGVy IEouIFRob21hcyA8cGpfdGhvbWFzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKPiAKPiBEcmlsbCBhbmQg dGFwIGFsdW1pbnVtLCB0aGVuIHNvbGRlciB3aXRoIGFsdW1pbnVtIHNvbGRlciByb2RzLiAgSEQg Y2FycmllcyBCZXJuem9tYXRpYyAgQUwzIHJvZHMsIHRob3VnaCBJIGxpa2UgdGhlIEZvcm5leSBF YXN5LUZsbyBBbHVtaW51bSBCcmF6aW5nIFJvZCBzb2xkIGF0IFRyYWN0b3IgU3VwcGx5IGJldHRl ci4KPiAKPiBPbiA5LzE1LzIwMTkgMjowMCBQTSwgRGFycmVsbCBXYWxrZXIgdmlhIFNob3AtdGFs ayB3cm90ZToKPj4gSeKAmW0gYWRhcHRpbmcgYSBMYW5kIFJvdmVyIGludGFrZSBtYW5pZm9sZCBm b3IgdXNlIG9uIG15IFRSOC4gIE9uZSB0aGluZyBJIG5lZWQgdG8gZG8gaXMgYWRkIGEgY29ubmVj dGlvbiBmcm9tIHRoZSBtYW5pZm9sZCB0byBmZWVkIHRoZSBoZWF0ZXIuICBUaGVyZSBpcyBhIHBs YWNlIG9uIHRoZSBtYW5pZm9sZCB0aGF0IHdpbGwgd29yayBwZXJmZWN0bHkuCj4+IAo+PiBNeSBp bml0aWFsIHBsYW4gd2FzIHRvIHRhcCB0aGUgbWFuaWZvbGQgZm9yIGEgY29wcGVyIGZpdHRpbmcu ICBCdXQgd2lsbCB0aGVyZSBiZSBhbiBpc3N1ZSB3aXRoIGNvcHBlciB0aHJlYWRlZCBpbnRvIGFs dW1pbnVtPwo+PiAKPj4gCj4gCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50 ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJj aGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRv eC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFt Lm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 12:23:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9956A0702 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9435A0662 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.99]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 9p0EigB2tlyub9vewiUE2M; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:23:34 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1568658214; bh=R0S43znxGFJmE/6f5gSubXlhIjK7xLDOTDFi/+ewxaA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Gt4EmuKorcrqkJK6JHS/I6xLF2T73r1yEFKR0E8HV8m6TjX73ciLiTf1MxH1Tbuwr kWWR3AlhT3u3D4GYbwX/LftK1uvL3u1phISazpoM7Y1WaDmsx0klJM2gAYaitTOTP0 A3QjRFyhj9vTCn5L9Bylwwu/0maP1wD+v58qSa7hXAU+Ek+v0mY6uC0HffHvr+urkh qNQvpyTpSwLg+VjVjWLmK3d0Ssr0B0gbOydZI9R+iVG4N3nBWlJ0xcNtK3NOh2wqFQ DX/nkMWnffyTtK091tUStq7dt3YZsHAIU6A4rkO1XERcPblTZ85yiVxmL8Ayh9QS38 24S75idhhlEbg== Received: from [IPv6:2601:198:200:60d5:9cd1:267:bb3f:c162] ([IPv6:2601:198:200:60d5:9cd1:267:bb3f:c162]) by resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 9veviIQWLtn3E9vewiIXjZ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:23:34 +0000 To: Darrell Walker References: <674699EC-E00D-4D1D-B624-665229F2AB32@mac.com> <3C9407F5-DB3D-451F-9C01-E1BE142DAFA3@mac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:23:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold From: "Peter J. 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Just make a tight fitting hole. MAPP isn't much hotter, but the flame transfers heat quite a bit better. Obviously depends on which torch and so on, but my propane torch just couldn't get the casting hot enough to melt the brazing rod. This all seems like overkill to me, though. Car makers routinely put steel NPT fittings into aluminum manifolds, and they very rarely rot out even after decades of service. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 16:10:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE06A0994 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from pv50p00im-tydg10021701.me.com (unknown [17.58.6.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4410A01AF for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:10:48 -0600 (MDT) t=1568671847; bh=r/Ww/BU58oXnkBh02ZY3zANh5ynkWoc5X8ZlX+v7gpc=; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Subject:Date:To; b=a6/xzAS0LD/Wnd+eGS/EjbfD3BMWhTnLfFk3MFPU6+MI5//ijSxV4QxboVDJvENdS A9LJNmy5Hset3Pt+9UVn0+2TMZF04CGKfQIhV+7LbjjLL1z24rq2nVyGMetlPhlSMZ hTjY6pb6o3EQ9UFdmKMy5YIuVjtvi09TRRmbLfX77ypAhVqezdAxIG408kpmdn3DTw d8trDWMzj1MM9OiI5v+iGH9fxcDxX7qj+5GBdDkUHA0ohku0dlMMsqVPEG3XjfxU5B V46pa/bN6hptFqcYRWMpbJlZiv2QTHDHQvH2VpSSfo54bDJsEjJ+ZFFx3rqXqGlz88 xey4gOeHdRtUA== Received: from [192.168.0.115] (unknown [97.115.148.249]) by pv50p00im-tydg10021701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BEF16840873; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:10:47 -0700 To: Randall References: <674699EC-E00D-4D1D-B624-665229F2AB32@mac.com> <3C9407F5-DB3D-451F-9C01-E1BE142DAFA3@mac.com> <41df05a3-c64a-307a-d03e-4fa9eb253b55@comcast.net> <8ABA87890E5046B8A8BA537AED72C296@RYPC> definitions=2019-09-16_08:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=958 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1909160211 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold From: Darrell Walker via Shop-talk Cc: Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5598147872903807714== boundary="Apple-Mail=_08AEAFE2-D59E-453B-B85E-7BE1B37A835F" --Apple-Mail=_08AEAFE2-D59E-453B-B85E-7BE1B37A835F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Hi Randall, > On Sep 16, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Randall via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > This all seems like overkill to me, though. Car makers routinely put = steel > NPT fittings into aluminum manifolds, and they very rarely rot out = even > after decades of service. Thanks, I do see plenty of examples of steel. What I didn=E2=80=99t = know was if cooper would be better or worse. -Darrell= --Apple-Mail=_08AEAFE2-D59E-453B-B85E-7BE1B37A835F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

Hi Randall,

On Sep = 16, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Randall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

This all seems like overkill to = me, though.  Car makers routinely put steel
NPT fittings into aluminum = manifolds, and they very rarely rot out even
after decades of = service.

Thanks, I do see plenty of examples of steel.  What I = didn=E2=80=99t know was if cooper would be better or worse.

-Darrell
= --Apple-Mail=_08AEAFE2-D59E-453B-B85E-7BE1B37A835F-- --===============5598147872903807714== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5598147872903807714==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 17:03:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F89EA0A29 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta02.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E64A09DC for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id A023ivIw8l7vRA025iY9WT; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:03:46 +0000 To: "'Shop-talk'" References: <674699EC-E00D-4D1D-B624-665229F2AB32@mac.com> <3C9407F5-DB3D-451F-9C01-E1BE142DAFA3@mac.com> <41df05a3-c64a-307a-d03e-4fa9eb253b55@comcast.net> <8ABA87890E5046B8A8BA537AED72C296@RYPC> <5FF062FF-C6F9-4BE6-9ECD-218785E2B635@mac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:57:50 -0700 Thread-Index: AdVs258Wt0E1FSsBRNuNorkbyDXDngABVLVg rE83BhGlsQHy7/WoafS4/C6yXO3YF/DyC9s= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Thanks, I do see plenty of examples of steel. What I didn't > know was if cooper would be better or worse. I don't know; but at least theoretically, copper would be worse. Aluminum has a galvanic potential of -1.67 (according to EngineeringToolbox.com), iron (steel) is -0.44 for a net difference of 1.23. Copper is +0.34, for a net difference of 2.01. The real world doesn't always follow theory, though, so YMMV. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 19:02:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E8DA09A6 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701E8A01B1 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id A0t9ih5n5lyubA1t9iVGgb; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:02:39 +0000 s=20190202a; 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I also haven't had much luck with any of the "miracle" wrenches for rounded corners. A good pair of vice grips is my last attempt before going to the extremes of drilling, welding, etc. Ben.... On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:28 PM John Innis via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I have not had much success with the "no-slip" wrenches. I found that if > you have 2 good corners, they sometimes work, but I also broke one trying > to free a stuck bolt. > If you are able to get a socket on it, but don't have room for the > ratchet, try using a wrench adapter. I have had much success using these > in tight spots. I can't find an example online but I bought a set are > Sears many years ago. Basically just t little adapter that goes in the > drive end of the socket in place of a ratchet or breaker bar. Is has a hex > head that is very thin that allows you to get on it with a wrench. Or > two. Or a 4' length of pipe over the handle of a wrench. > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in >> a hard to reach location. >> I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is >> slipping off. >> I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). >> >> QUESTION: >> What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed >> as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? >> >> TIA! >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> >> > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > -- Ben Zwissler bjzwissler@gmail.com Columbus, IN --00000000000057170c059238b014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What about using a flare nut wrench?=C2=A0 10mm is a prett= y common=C2=A0size for those. I also haven't had much luck with any of = the "miracle" wrenches for rounded=C2=A0corners.=C2=A0 A good pai= r of vice grips is my last attempt before going to the extremes of drilling= , welding, etc.

Ben....

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:2= 8 PM John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have not had much succes= s with the "no-slip" wrenches.=C2=A0 I found that if you have 2 g= ood corners, they sometimes work, but I also broke one trying to free a stu= ck bolt.=C2=A0
If you are able to get a socket on it, but do= n't have room for the ratchet, try using a wrench adapter.=C2=A0 I have= had much success using these in tight spots.=C2=A0 I can't find an exa= mple online but I bought a set are Sears many years ago.=C2=A0 Basically ju= st t little adapter that goes in the drive end of the socket in place of a = ratchet or breaker bar.=C2=A0 Is has a hex head that is very thin that allo= ws you to get on it with a wrench.=C2=A0 Or two.=C2=A0 Or a 4' length o= f pipe over the handle of a wrench.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:25 P= M Matt via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a seized bolt I am trying t= o loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using = is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench=C2=A0 (10mm by the way).=
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--00000000000057170c059238b014-- --===============2346228968284021294== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2346228968284021294==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 01:34:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D380EA0AB5 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89108A06ED for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.235]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 7kwWiJzY2kv6f7o5KiLK05; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:54:02 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1568152442; bh=nW7MNBGrzh+9mB/t+n2Z1JQVWH3EKCj6qFvKkrW0aHo=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=e6n9wtwuRq4MhX10T8fCUlo6yA0U01HSxpxrAd70l7lG9UQcBRmyXXACXNUIQZKGB BXtLhi7J33nJEfznaPZkLh+P2+5Pm9FZvoOAX2o0j2Wk/WupMrgMMFcHY3sG1r6qGh nl7wfuqG6zi85ubNSfYQRYTNmSR0AoiJ15Sk5G8DR36jS6vHC0k02O6uWwC6RxZa8X /PtMQdpCik4GgQ0+3f5V08PiJCNa8UQC/TEiwfYgdvmJU/KJyNb0xRUkR9+2SwafVK tzUxXaxeJ0zykE7AJEuHd3UZlWdhXzR53nqawjdjjNaS7rcIBt3FQtsILMkGIGSWPs bfbBJgBMVeCzA== Received: from [IPv6:2602:304:47b0:4289:a979:2d98:c042:9d9a] ([IPv6:2602:304:47b0:4289:a979:2d98:c042:9d9a]) by resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 7o54iMilr6Mto7o59iNtoq; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:54:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:53:45 -0700 References: <20190910.142307.12658.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> To: Neil Sherry Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tool Question From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6065592693655305484== boundary=Apple-Mail-A91021F8-898D-4ED3-9B5B-DAB05F6B667C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-A91021F8-898D-4ED3-9B5B-DAB05F6B667C charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Needle-nose vice grips. > On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Neil Sherry via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 > Rather than using brute force, get some heat on it. If has already rounded= , it's reluctant to move, so deal with that first and then whatever you use w= ill have a fighting chance. > Neil >=20 > Sent from Outlook for Android >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" wrote: >=20 >> I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a= hard to reach location. >> I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slip= ping off. >> I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench (10mm by the way). >> =20 >> QUESTION: >> What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed a= s "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners? >> =20 >> TIA! > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspide= ll@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-A91021F8-898D-4ED3-9B5B-DAB05F6B667C charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Needle-nose vice grips.

On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Neil Sherry via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Rather than using brute force, get some heat on it. If has already rounded, it's reluctant to move, so deal with that first and then whatever you use will have a fighting chance.
Neil

Sent from Outlook for Android




On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:25 PM +0100, "Matt via Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a seized bolt I am trying to loosen without breaking and it is in a hard to reach location.
I can't get a socket on it and the 12 point box wrench I am using is slipping off.
I am having trouble locating a 6 point wrench  (10mm by the way).
 
QUESTION:
What is your experience with the roller based wrenches that are marketed as "no slip" and well suited to partially rounded fasteners?
 
TIA!
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Thomas" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold Thread-Index: AQHVa++nfxxf6kXS5UeLkUWZNaXXbacukaqAgAAELICAAAI+Qg== Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:59:34 +0000 References: <674699EC-E00D-4D1D-B624-665229F2AB32@mac.com> , <3C9407F5-DB3D-451F-9C01-E1BE142DAFA3@mac.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:7A92C1D38D7CA5BCDB453DB49AD374EB8DB015E59EB3AD0C003067924D103961; UpperCasedChecksum:61B914DA5119DF635B66BC89B8B7922794DF4F48B00EF836586BC478CEA54A2F; SizeAsReceived:6867; Count:43 x-tmn: [kSVUIYtx+TQcaCbwtTZcWW6BqpVQzOla] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 43 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:SN1NAM04HT100; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM04HT100: x-ms-exchange-purlcount: 4 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: URQk/6bg7JRwx9cj6/ARnebi/7KAsUjK3U4Kf5ALVsFUK3Jf7A/oWorG34W9F2LJJZh+ZFKfqWmQ3OZ86II0R5ou/VdYWSzMeMqDowMpNm84Q0CmkBBO8SzuYTGZaiJjAWsv/jlnbop+90PoOexqHTTeW9IiTaV4wlB7We+bVu5Ie36YQYDFMHw6xOuUH+Y0 x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold From: Jack Brooks via Shop-talk Cc: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2540127846286839252== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MWHPR06MB31515AF25263F655789A0255A88C0MWHPR06MB3151namp_" --_000_MWHPR06MB31515AF25263F655789A0255A88C0MWHPR06MB3151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darrell, I used the stock coolant locations and piped outside, instead of under the = manifold on my TR8 with an SD1 3 piece intake. I can provide pictures if that helps. Jack ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Darrell Wal= ker via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 10:47:49 AM To: Peter J. Thomas Cc: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply. Is propane or MAP gas enough heat for those rods? I forgot to mention, the pipe is 5/8=94. I could drop down to 1/2=94 (that= =92s what I was going to do in the copper, then up to 5/8=94 with a brass h= ose barf). But since I=92m brazing it, would straight threads be OK? Tech= nically, there is a 5/8=94 NPT size defined, but I=92ve not found any taps = or dies in that size. -Darrell > On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Peter J. Thomas wro= te: > > Drill and tap aluminum, then solder with aluminum solder rods. HD carrie= s Bernzomatic AL3 rods, though I like the Forney Easy-Flo Aluminum Brazing= Rod sold at Tractor Supply better. > > On 9/15/2019 2:00 PM, Darrell Walker via Shop-talk wrote: >> I=92m adapting a Land Rover intake manifold for use on my TR8. One thin= g I need to do is add a connection from the manifold to feed the heater. T= here is a place on the manifold that will work perfectly. >> >> My initial plan was to tap the manifold for a copper fitting. But will = there be an issue with copper threaded into aluminum? >> >> > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive s@live.com --_000_MWHPR06MB31515AF25263F655789A0255A88C0MWHPR06MB3151namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Darrell,

I used the stock coolant locations and piped outside, instead of under the = manifold on my TR8 with an SD1 3 piece intake. 

I can provide pictures if that helps.

Jack
From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Darrell Walker via Shop-talk &= lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 10:47:49 AM
To: Peter J. Thomas <pj_thomas@comcast.net>
Cc: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding a tube into aluminum manifold
 

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply.  Is propane or MAP gas enough heat for those rod= s?

I forgot to mention, the pipe is 5/8=94.  I could drop down to 1/2=94 = (that=92s what I was going to do in the copper, then up to 5/8=94 with a br= ass hose barf).  But since I=92m brazing it, would straight threads be= OK?  Technically, there is a 5/8=94 NPT size defined, but I=92ve not found any taps or dies in that size.

-Darrell

> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Peter J. Thomas <pj_thomas@comcast.ne= t> wrote:
>
> Drill and tap aluminum, then solder with aluminum solder rods.  H= D carries Bernzomatic  AL3 rods, though I like the Forney Easy-Flo Alu= minum Brazing Rod sold at Tractor Supply better.
>
> On 9/15/2019 2:00 PM, Darrell Walker via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I=92m adapting a Land Rover intake manifold for use on my TR8.&nbs= p; One thing I need to do is add a connection from the manifold to feed the= heater.  There is a place on the manifold that will work perfectly. >>
>> My initial plan was to tap the manifold for a copper fitting. = ; But will there be an issue with copper threaded into aluminum?
>>
>>
>

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auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:28905] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) id 4A/CE-13635-1E4DA8D5; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:45:53 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <7635E034-339D-4D76-A2FB-48B2E4A3E996@icloud.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:45:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Speedometer angle drive From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if he'll have what you seek but Morris at West Valley Instruments has been very good about responding to my email inquiries. https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/ Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 9/24/2019 9:50 PM, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote: > Anyone know a small shop that can supply a Smiths type speedometer angle drive? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 20:15:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FC0A03C7 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st43p00im-zteg10073501.me.com (unknown [17.58.63.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4474FA0284 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:15:03 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1569464102; bh=nmZeB+MexuswDQxM8j8hOb3aMTVIC/RmrSreW/Bx3+Q=; h=From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:Message-Id:To; b=RebjrNVf2U3VpAcNHvcR/fc9H1sApstG56sfdXApPG9Bfabu8s+KkWFdpTFSTAUqp kOojiw3rlBxxYvLt89njoW9Ct535bLpsBWflEuq5soZC81082vRR4VMvsdfqO8PSKh OoqiYnWjEBA9L1c81ZiICjq743YG/DDcZsOQ3HWVX+7rC/xigZYWnlWv7ie4KL/8FZ 3r8bDiGObIDGFi9hoT1bU/uAWAxxlkvUBxZTHCoKIHlbiVkFCXjoBkfcGKs4vLF04S wHfCuIayuJfCxe3izmJNEWyhBowdiTt/Tfetw3gSXHk3OJGbzWTvgnTL3G13WOzQFa faLUMtrNAT3zg== Received: from [192.168.1.85] (71-135-71-56.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [71.135.71.56]) by st43p00im-zteg10073501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76E30AE0939; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 21:14:58 -0500 References: <7635E034-339D-4D76-A2FB-48B2E4A3E996@icloud.com> <96a23e56-9180-dd78-3ae3-0cb3460b4747@mebtel.net> To: Eric Russell , Shop-talk definitions=2019-09-25_11:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1909260024 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Speedometer angle drive From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, thank you for the recommendation to contact Morris. I called and he called right back and is going to modify a new angle drive to fit my needs. Bob Nogueira > On Sep 24, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Eric Russell via Shop-talk wrote: > > I don't know if he'll have what you seek but Morris at West Valley Instruments has been very good about responding to my email inquiries. > > https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/ > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > >> On 9/24/2019 9:50 PM, Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk wrote: >> Anyone know a small shop that can supply a Smiths type speedometer angle drive? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nogera@icloud.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 10:36:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D6FA03D0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B900AA01C7 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123811C006E for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:36:02 -0600 (MDT) To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:36:02 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Whew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterday, just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not strictly needed. But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember which end of the screwdriver goes in my hand. Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring diagrams. Fun fun fun! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 10:53:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9906A0241 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281301.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2EEA01C7 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:53:29 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1569516805; bh=HuIvLd2hOidapEV/+RVRqQ809aSwccBf07HVo67p+aY=; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=gPG7qJq2wMj/b+YeRZwQNUIfKrrM7Jxn/odxlI6s5fjZRqwLfzuPTLRh+quCp4mT1 EdwpuppuyAZvpJYTjTB6ISIy+49hGI051I6UIxm6d45SXB49PyV+bPvTHhfzYVSmBX p15ymUIoa644bUg6IxUO/N6Tip0e0XUIHbJcgIIFCcE8yc2P1Vehosqx8E5n3BHZhZ wkK9OwNyPOKA6yTHy/Xruc60JHCgZ3KmaqQIrjGPgtAyAkAtUsQmUreCtPJ6mulFgy YnODiFvGGb1E0yJB2dYxpEcdhfcqTtCPUptdWeywomg/IdoROJ0ZxUXIW1wUZaR/xU nSGh3mbedL5yQ== Received: from [192.168.88.90] (unknown [199.38.189.253]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281301.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E269AC0F47; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:53:23 -0500 References: To: Mark J Bradakis definitions=2019-09-26_07:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1909260145 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net SeKAmXZlIGZvdW5kIHdpcmluZyBkaWFncmFtcyBvbiBsaW5lIEAgYXV0b3pvbmUgZm9yIGZyZWUg Zm9yIG15MjAwNiBEb2RnZSBDYXJhdmFuLiBDcmFwcHkgSGFuZXMgJiBjaGlsbGluZyBtYW51YWxz IGFyZSBnb2luZyBmb3Igbm9ydGggb2YgJDI1IGlmIEkgcmVtZW1iZXIgY29ycmVjdGx5LiAKClBl YWNlLApQYXQKClBhdCBIb3JuZSAKV2Ugc3VwcG9ydCBIYWJpdGF0IGZvciBIdW1hbml0eQoKCj4g T24gU2VwIDI2LCAyMDE5LCBhdCAxMTo0MiBBTSwgTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIHZpYSBTaG9wLXRh bGsgPHNob3AtdGFsa0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gCgrvu79XaGV3LCB0aGF0IHdh cyBhIGhvdCBiaXRlISBNYWRlIHNvbWUgamVya2VkIGNoaWNrZW4gdGhpZ2hzIHllc3RlcmRheSwg anVzdCBoYWQgdGhlIGxlZnRvdmVycyBmb3IgZGlubmVyLiBNYXliZSB0aGF0IGxhc3QgaGFiYW5l cm8gd2FzIG5vdCBzdHJpY3RseSBuZWVkZWQuCgpCdXQgd2hhdCBJIGRvIG5lZWQgaXMgc29tZSB3 b3JrIG9uIG15IHRydWNrLCBhIDIwMDQgUzEwIEJsYXplci4gSXQgZG9lc24ndCBhbHdheXMgY3Jh bmsgd2hlbiB5b3UgdHVybiB0aGUga2V5LiBVc3VhbGx5IGl0IHdvcmtzLCBzb21ldGltZXMgaXQg dGFrZXMgbWFueSBhdHRlbXB0cyBhbmQgc29tZSBqaWdnbGluZyB0aGUga2V5LiBOb3QgbG9va2lu ZyBmb3J3YXJkIHRvIHdvcmtpbmcgb24gdHJhY2tpbmcgZG93biBpZiBpdCB0aGUga2V5IHN3aXRj aCwgdGhlIHN0YXJ0ZXIsIG9yIHNvbWV0aGluZyBpbiBiZXR3ZWVuLiBNb2Rlcm4gY2FycyBhcmUg c28gbXVjaCBtb3JlIGNvbXBsaWNhdGVkIHRoYW4gNTAgeWVhciBvbGQgVHJpdW1waHMuIFRob3Nl IEkga25vdy4gV2VsbCwgSSB1c2VkIHRvLCBjZXJ0YWlubHkgb3V0IG9mIHByYWN0aWNlIHRoZXNl IGRheXMgYnV0IEkgYW0gZ3Vlc3NpbmcgaXQgd29uJ3QgdGFrZSB0b28gbXVjaCB0cmFpbmluZyB0 byByZW1lbWJlciB3aGljaCBlbmQgb2YgdGhlIHNjcmV3ZHJpdmVyIGdvZXMgaW4gbXkgaGFuZC4K CkhtbW0sIGd1ZXNzIGZpcnN0IHN0ZXAgbWlnaHQgYmUgaGl0dGluZyBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIG1ham9y IGNoYWluIHBhcnRzIHBsYWNlcyBmb3IgYW4gYXBwcm9wcmlhdGUgcmVwYWlyIGd1aWRlLCBhbmQg c3RhcnQgcG9yaW5nIG92ZXIgd2lyaW5nIGRpYWdyYW1zLiBGdW4gZnVuIGZ1biEKCgptamIuCgoK X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KClNob3AtdGFs a0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwK U3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjk2CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVh bS5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsayBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQoK VW5zdWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25z L3Nob3AtdGFsay9wYXRpbnRleGFzQGljbG91ZC5jb20KCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0 ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0 aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10 YWxrIGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0 dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94 LnRlYW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 11:20:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F827A0247 for ; 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I'll bet you could find instructions for brain surgery on YouTube! I've also found the Haynes on-line to be useful, sometimes. I have lifetime Haynes subscriptions for our '02 Suburban and '07 Accord, but by the time we bought our '98 F-150 they'd gone to annual only, which ticked me off somewhat. I'm guessing you have a code reader. Does it offer any information? On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:54 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve found wiring diagrams on line @ autozone for free for my2006= Dodge > Caravan. Crappy Hanes & chilling manuals are going for north of $25 if I > remember correctly. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFWhew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yeste= rday, > just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not > strictly needed. > > But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It doesn'= t > always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes it takes > many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to working o= n > tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something in between. > Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old Triumphs. Those= I > know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these days but I am > guessing it won't take too much training to remember which end of the > screwdriver goes in my hand. > > Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts > places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring > diagrams. Fun fun fun! > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --0000000000008e82dd059377fae0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark, other than the usual traditional suspects I'd ch= eck Google and YouTube. I'll bet you could find instructions for brain = surgery on YouTube!

I've also found the Haynes on-li= ne to be useful, sometimes. I have lifetime Haynes subscriptions for our &#= 39;02 Suburban and '07 Accord, but by the time we bought our '98 F-= 150 they'd gone to annual only, which ticked me off somewhat.

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I'm guessing you have a code reader. Does it offer any inform= ation?

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:54 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk = <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I= =E2=80=99ve found wiring diagrams on line @ autozone for free for my2006 Do= dge Caravan. Crappy Hanes & chilling manuals are going for north of $25= if I remember correctly.

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


> On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.tea= m.net> wrote:
>

=EF=BB=BFWhew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterd= ay, just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not str= ictly needed.

But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It doesn= 9;t always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes it take= s many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to working o= n tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something in between.= Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old Triumphs. Those = I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these days but I am gues= sing it won't take too much training to remember which end of the screw= driver goes in my hand.

Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts places= for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring diagrams. Fu= n fun fun!


mjb.


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--0000000000008e82dd059377fae0-- --===============8155223126450176196== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8155223126450176196==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 11:42:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277CCA0360 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5A5A034D for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f49.google.com with SMTP id y127so2367012lfc.0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:42:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oabf7I+9SSCv3takWd18gBDU28r1LF3mSQhaharu98c=; b=kL250F/khtAlkUAJIqq7W3pjjJ6LT+qdw9vZoY7+icR+Rw2XljtapcSbGG8LFpZIj3 obDXHV89Iqg2OwxNCbFloZB/cvwYrF3FVyHbrDpQ9bBvF1WCTKzjIPr/rMwvsXhaW+67 SigukMIOTufE/HU6c59q383lavIcJjdh5zUcu6V5ZHwKjoSCc8LFbiGeJH3W945IKu1l w/A5pyOGEGfC4ELEkuRTzI+IrIA4nnktlVmMxLng+Nq+XLWtxeScZgBvTW2+rSH7Zh4m kwgDUlzLN9Lro66ijqWhrjBySIBL//BeZH9T1q+l4Kv/4nUzHyvL4JOCDQjPelLWavxa e6Ig== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oabf7I+9SSCv3takWd18gBDU28r1LF3mSQhaharu98c=; b=bdXhL+U89jWT7+bgBVDMqWIypzcPvOPOGKVuC/DdkStoqo0+Fo2LPIhctGzPhqsj/V jPEvFk8POcz+gs0XOv3d+U5FoUHvlpogXPI4bilU734UkRx1TaEjpi9Bz9Q0+7lbSlTY Pns2d6cJJxLGPXPVWCIdFAt+pn0G6abPsnKavM1sIp0AMd3P05XblmVvES1dx4GD2NNY WifPV6Bwo9bODzZXPOHwMdNTBbom0cAbxZ9++chjO8kmoyrtbdxh7yOl5ZnzHnoZtMx7 oHe3PrOePAEpyCBlm3kE9nnbQZucEFsTtKNys/NbFRRTKW8eeU5S8xXZbss/+m973kkc IEpg== ka3gr4CrCrNsGcXgPwVcO01Er7qcBcHcaFwzdCSSr+N9 Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:42:02 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4605713734342303933== --000000000000852b2a0593784a21 I don't think any of those came in manual, so I'm assuming it has an automatic transmission. I'm also assuming that, aside from the starter not cranking, everything else seems okay. Does the fuel pump prime? Does the starter solenoid fire? Is the battery in good condition? Assuming you hear nothing from the starter, I'd start with the starter relay, and if that is fine, I'd look at the neutral safety switch. What happens if you jiggle the transmission, or try to start in neutral? -Peter On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:53 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Whew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterday, > just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not > strictly needed. > > But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It > doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes > it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to > working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something > in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old > Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these > days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember which > end of the screwdriver goes in my hand. > > Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts > places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring > diagrams. Fun fun fun! > > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000852b2a0593784a21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think any of those came in manual, so I'm = assuming it has an automatic transmission. I'm also assuming that, asid= e from the starter not cranking, everything else seems okay. Does the fuel = pump prime? Does the starter solenoid fire? Is the battery in good=C2=A0con= dition?

Assuming you hear nothing from the starter, I= 9;d start with the starter relay, and if that is fine, I'd look at the = neutral safety switch. What happens if you jiggle the transmission, or try = to start in neutral?=C2=A0

-Peter
=

= On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:53 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote= :
Whew, that was= a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterday,
just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not
strictly needed.

But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It
doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes=
it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old
Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember whic= h
end of the screwdriver goes in my hand.

Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts
places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring
diagrams. Fun fun fun!


mjb.


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--000000000000852b2a0593784a21-- --===============4605713734342303933== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4605713734342303933==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 12:15:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1C9A0565 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA416A01C9 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BC71C0066 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:15:08 -0600 (MDT) To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:15:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net T24gOS8yNi8xOSAxMToyMSBBTSwgSm9obiBJbm5pcyB3cm90ZToKPiBJIGhhZCBhIHNpbWlsYXIg aXNzdWUgb24gYSAxOTk5IFMgQmxhemVyLsKgIEl0IGVuZGVkIHVwIGJlaW5nIGEgYmFkIAo+IGJh dHRlciBjYWJsZSwgYnV0IFlNTVYuCgoKTXkgZmlyc3Qgc3RlcCB3aWxsIGJlIHRvIGNoZWNrIHRo ZSBiYXR0ZXJ5IGNvbm5lY3Rpb25zIGFuZCB0aGUgc3RhcnRlciAKd2lyaW5nLsKgIEkgd29uZGVy IGhvdyBsb25nIGl0IHdpbGwgdGFrZSBtZSBqdXN0IHRvIGZpbmQgdGhlIHN0YXJ0ZXI/wqAgCkFu ZCB3aGF0IEknbGwgaGF2ZSB0byByZW1vdmUgdG8gZ2V0IGFjY2Vzcz8KCkJ1dCBJIGFtICdjdXJy ZW50bHknIGNoYXJnaW5nIHVwIG15IHBvcnRhYmxlIHBvd2VyIHBhY2ssIHdpbGwga2VlcCB0aGF0 IApoYW5keSBpbiB0aGUgdmVoaWNsZS4KCm1qYi4KCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTog aHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9u ICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxr IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6 Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRl YW0ubmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 14:10:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D695FA04C4 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f196.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EA7A03D0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f196.google.com with SMTP id x3so3265311oig.2 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:10:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=aMX5264tg+O/eqP557joeG1gnTshd7djVUn8bwYWYhg=; b=h8DHtduZnvMV/bA6Otu+VwUBkf0d+GYu8ePgDMNzF5ykPDcEqPpHwqEtP4Y/dewMVm Vh1xkYKUNMjNK0rWUmThe4ftYLC7vPzrdPDW6A4pPARi07k31nQDQ59kqYYs+Mx/NBPa ZIzGLP3vAo7QGBXAAlPDL1zctcagjpHZqh+LbVcBOBVjumHvLJMXsGKu1VUKVsRqjI53 t/VRr4SK+UqJ/nhl8u2ht2pwFRvVUws8wlFLbq24zGGHnajslry9tfPROuooPCHbhAI/ gAmuL4ez3hYCPQwH/V32d0G3Eboc2Y2ZnqEP7dypADwOxyuv+KDT9ZSxfBGjv7wQ41xH uuKg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=aMX5264tg+O/eqP557joeG1gnTshd7djVUn8bwYWYhg=; b=QJz6uJY7kCbZZ6cFYx/pqHXzUpngv/AkkXY03911VS/1NrWO7xythF975UFOGw/OHh zk8jepG0kSl1DMY+nIgKoboxpPcoUqXbdazt0fs37BRo8y9DpIl8zX6WCcX0YfxYEFPO h8KWLx/w4dmG92/1h3cNO80+K5bT9Ge0K1taUEYT2ROvoFIQZ0g8W/JAcqdCF0gaV8Qm kozIHtx+5QgfVpeWHfPiGoOkbjUxJv15zheuhl+t/6b9FjEDmaFvMqN122Evbw5Px62V jPswFiX/GN5RaNQrHArWJO59+rsJMBokcH7luQSs4LF8NAsy2cROrQXrq04RcmC7fqSq jYQg== KOj4QIWSkL8L7e8EqHiNqPb5vkQD1TqtO36cHW8= Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:09:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4390673007170967270== --000000000000dd4c2a05937a5a24 As others have said, there's probably nothing too complicated for YouTube. Battery (unlikely), Neutral Safety switch, Ignition switch, starter solenoid. In the olden days, GM electrical ignition switch modules were mounted lower ont he steering column, making them relatively easy to access, test, and replace. Operated by a rod coming down from the mechanical portion. So, when it fails in Park, does it start in Neutral? On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:43 PM Peter Murray via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I don't think any of those came in manual, so I'm assuming it has an > automatic transmission. I'm also assuming that, aside from the starter not > cranking, everything else seems okay. Does the fuel pump prime? Does the > starter solenoid fire? Is the battery in good condition? > > Assuming you hear nothing from the starter, I'd start with the starter > relay, and if that is fine, I'd look at the neutral safety switch. What > happens if you jiggle the transmission, or try to start in neutral? > > -Peter > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:53 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Whew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterday, >> just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not >> strictly needed. >> >> But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It >> doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes >> it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to >> working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something >> in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old >> Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these >> days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember which >> end of the screwdriver goes in my hand. >> >> Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts >> places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring >> diagrams. Fun fun fun! >> >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000dd4c2a05937a5a24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As others have said, there's probably nothing too comp= licated for YouTube.

Battery (unlikely), Neutral=C2=A0Sa= fety switch, Ignition switch, starter solenoid.=C2=A0 In the olden days, GM= electrical ignition switch modules were mounted lower ont he steering colu= mn, making them relatively easy to access, test, and replace.=C2=A0 Operate= d by a rod coming down from the mechanical portion.

So, when it fails in Park, does it start in Neutral?

On Thu, Sep 26,= 2019 at 1:43 PM Peter Murray via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I don't think= any of those came in manual, so I'm assuming it has an automatic trans= mission. I'm also assuming that, aside from the starter not cranking, e= verything else seems okay. Does the fuel pump prime? Does the starter solen= oid fire? Is the battery in good=C2=A0condition?

Assumin= g you hear nothing from the starter, I'd start with the starter relay, = and if that is fine, I'd look at the neutral safety switch. What happen= s if you jiggle the transmission, or try to start in neutral?=C2=A0
-Peter

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:53 PM M= ark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Whew, that was a hot bite! Made= some jerked chicken thighs yesterday,
just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not
strictly needed.

But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It
doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes=
it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old
Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember whic= h
end of the screwdriver goes in my hand.

Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts
places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring
diagrams. Fun fun fun!


mjb.


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Does that have the RFID chip int he key fob?  If so that could be the same problem we had with our Ford.  There is a switch that is activated when the key is inserted that instructs the computer to read the RFID device and verify the code is authorized to start the car.  The plastic button that operates the switch broke and would not operate the switch without a bunch of fiddling.  The shop fixed it for us so I have no idea what was involved but I'm sure there's a You Tube video out there.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:41 am
Subject: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer

Whew, that was a hot bite! Made some jerked chicken thighs yesterday,
just had the leftovers for dinner. Maybe that last habanero was not
strictly needed.

But what I do need is some work on my truck, a 2004 S10 Blazer. It
doesn't always crank when you turn the key. Usually it works, sometimes
it takes many attempts and some jiggling the key. Not looking forward to
working on tracking down if it the key switch, the starter, or something
in between. Modern cars are so much more complicated than 50 year old
Triumphs. Those I know. Well, I used to, certainly out of practice these
days but I am guessing it won't take too much training to remember which
end of the screwdriver goes in my hand.

Hmmm, guess first step might be hitting one of the major chain parts
places for an appropriate repair guide, and start poring over wiring
diagrams. Fun fun fun!


mjb.



------=_Part_9046001_2113277035.1569529074893-- --===============6526019311078553087== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6526019311078553087==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 18:20:58 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072E3A04D6 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE952A0586 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02031C005F for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:20:48 -0600 (MDT) To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:20:48 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Working on a "modern" car, 2004 Chevy Blazer From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/26/19 2:09 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > So, when it fails in Park, does it start in Neutral? Hadn't thought of that, will check next time it happens. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 29 07:23:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD584A08C0 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874A4A0860 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B03CBFF804 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:23:23 -0400 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Lighhting a 4 season driveway From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3995287859344638507== boundary="Apple-Mail=_9DDC3D92-3BA8-4458-B996-AD394318BF31"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_9DDC3D92-3BA8-4458-B996-AD394318BF31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I have a steep one lane driveway that flattens out and also widens to 2 = car + parking at the top, so that when backing down it, you can't see = where you're going until the car gets off the flat part and the surface = is now in your mirror. Additionally, there is no ambient light and it's = blacktop, so at night all you have are reverse lights which mostly do = nothing.=20 I need lights that will allow one to see where they're backing, and = ideally something to guide them before the car is on the incline but = that's secondary. Maybe the illumination lights can also serve as = side-view mirror guide lights. One side gets sun most of the day but the other is only morning sun, but = maybe enough to do solar, if solar has come far enough that the lights = will work for more than a few months.=20 I could also just run a circuit underground which would also give me = nice options for a lamp post at the bottom, and some footpath lighting = in the stone wall at the top.=20 Have any of your done this with reasonable success (or, of course, = horror stories :-) )?=20 thanks, jim= --Apple-Mail=_9DDC3D92-3BA8-4458-B996-AD394318BF31 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIDSDCCA0Qw ggIsoAMCAQICCmRy66DpH1wZiAswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwUDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4g RnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5jaC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMB4XDTE3MDQxNTE0NDgxMloXDTIyMDQxNTE0NDgxMlowUDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4g RnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5jaC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAmEusUttRQMymOSw8elNOep/BrnU9 MEmZNOH2Pz7+YgLwLBWCq7Yx2JCyeC4XvqMzdB2aPe4KyhWrcSsMirm0Kp/HfBfxf6xaYClOEhDE okCRDuGyNJaso8ZNzkxH84wGm3i0TemqNEaHhKIAJxcHU+RXSIgTBJW4VLQudHkqZ8xXSJPMKVU2 T13H0wosQ85EhieWt/RlvDYIMsO/0VMmr8NxLALM2PHSf/ejewuQXZ2YsLBg7fKiiM5DJ5rm5AWU bJLePVJFXCpKmOtVwtcqcgnMdmgW9MH9aIXshkdGyIlapyDmuOjVi5CmHP6/Gxk2FiIu+MsbWVdX BU0Y7B9EpQIDAQABoyAwHjAPBgkqhkiG9y8BAQoEAgUAMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIHgDANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQsFAAOCAQEAWvruNG4aYeyRq57pOCVVwJ7ybSMdI0t+xXxlx9srybW3LZpkw2YiY88S5g/XdTAW UNj4Lc2w2STE6vh5ZB2qAOHAkppdEXwA7g8xTI9ozvgFQtqPpodapj8Kd17TU5/qkATNLq9tQpUZ c06Klg2+Oh4Z2DijTo4uh/UXlr6VxrGtbW6lGkH4ZbvkLqiJUgGEPDpbzNIS/q6ZcdnaPwaWdwzH SVQK7eztRMmpmBhxXTc/dgZCXnSOjlsbn+TKFVBCyJLQXRP+YrhY1BtOvJ36Ul3LImX5g2vGMPDi HyWnGi7CoqZpdkOYIGJW89P0qOOVXptIUckSDP0sVz9u98tgsTGCAeQwggHgAgEBMF4wUDEaMBgG A1UEAxMRSmFtZXMgRy4gRnJhbmtsaW4xJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFmphbWVzZkBncm91cHdiZW5j aC5vcmcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTAgpkcuug6R9cGYgLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgXTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xOTA5MjkxMzIzMjRaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBRazCOB0wOCnRAlRssjdM41ZgUhpTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAAJA2fYRxYGyUR12Hr40nN hVFT3qMzuX4bjvbUeNezOQ8pXEYj3B6eMYaa9S5I9To67grmHNR3T3CuIRNSPcT2X4sbBkqTUKjv SO5v6f0duuyHZvlRFOKI+Y36E41ffnZih+GU7PvB8p00bKxTQreY2Li5kdpBGDIH4GQO/I+FQW18 zns7YB8cs5IGHaSdWhPqQCdpqShm6Jx3dtDqR7bxlDYevp1nyOiTeekfcAlKba8AKgRItLUVajfv BhUoOfaKcRbv9BFgSrmrVrU+EvPVmkwes4Ml8N6+8p9k0IBjeOaU+FbNM2HEUy7qS71bTYWBOv8F 7kZD+l5KnUBcznl4AAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail=_9DDC3D92-3BA8-4458-B996-AD394318BF31-- --===============3995287859344638507== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3995287859344638507==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 29 08:05:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3928CA08B9 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5888CA07D1 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vs1-f48.google.com with SMTP id d3so5057465vsr.1 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:05:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4JzS4i/BfTc2CzhkS58cBQu4L4Zfpk3owGwnpULN8Ns=; b=YC769JQ2ZJBQ71HurMHyD+iLkl7qiBR8g2aIwN9f7QIEP5lDyKRt3vn6fVGtlWmVAN BQLfnbIrzYtWom4QvjSZZmp5AxeE6+00m7WvTsdp6nQAoD/swEOEI1EUZEdX6mrOB0Zw 8/AdmCfD2AY3xra3GiL1+VcFt/V+VYHD3sbc5vJeRPaxaEiNXcGJdVNE1rZWdy4FTUBa bG23pKXGoNlKVXR/SOYWUSErsMQRygOMz3CLoNv+ZkdjPTMPG0RSAMGJ06lM3LDW5J70 F1z+/BjDHUKXHdl7z6/7m/GcdpnpdHkLW3M5N97mNs+lhN5i47s6H3FQNtsG7iJqRXe7 GQCQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4JzS4i/BfTc2CzhkS58cBQu4L4Zfpk3owGwnpULN8Ns=; b=W4dk9cYv5svQGoyf/XLJGb3jCT2YfjDRR+b+iKD5gGJ+PGDtpSjH3ZQqZRkAoPrIA6 S1n13ojsusVirHmb2KNY0FGNraEbnDGIcAT7O56IIaWWuhWOlhj5S3r5IUOYgiMDlTSq J7bzcp6QYndmge38Gyv9UduFN6GVuFV8HBvNnq03sMGyqJfLkWb3TrJ1NPLB8qvt7DSv Ja4rytSH7tO09wEIewYzvbTNq98YpdDY7Le3z637J8BFPA+cHerYnH6M/gnyRCmXZXdM WiEqiA1kHgbEa5bFo37WOX0unEm+bo94Ows8qULwuaGvQfJ6zZSCSrNaQ7SOVXG4tYfb UzEw== quFaPXQFWwLxcJIGwkRSD3Rnx2npFVKu8WCcNDxJ+hEc Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:05:36 -0400 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Old Rhino Ramp degradation? From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8911466654110794951== --000000000000abf70d0593b19dca I've got a pair of 20-25 year old Rhino (composite) ramps. Bought them new, but haven't used them in years. Should I be concerned about them degrading over time? They've been stored in my garage out of the sunlight, so there's no sun damage. Thoughts? Thanks, Larry --000000000000abf70d0593b19dca Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got a pair of 20-25 year old Rhino (composite) ra= mps. Bought them new, but haven't used them in=C2=A0years. Should I be = concerned about them degrading over time? They've been stored in my gar= age out of the sunlight, so there's no sun damage.

T= houghts?

Thanks,
Larry
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This is the model: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Nature-Power-Bayport-16-in-Outdoor-Black-Solar-Lamp-with-Super-Bright-Natural-White-LED-and-3-Mounting-Options-23206/204866812 or if the link doesn't work, search for 204866812 at HomeDepot.com. There are plenty of other options.  I just tried this one because it was one of their special buys of the day.  This model has a high and low setting.  When the battery gets low, the light drops to the low setting automatically.  In the winter (in Southern CA), the light will often still be on in the morning when I leave for work. You can also pick up solar path light set at a reasonable price.   I have not had as much luck with them, so don't have a recommendation.  They should be ok to light a path for walking and are very easy to install.  It is cheap enough to pickup a set and try. If concerned about solar and you have power nearby, look at a low voltage setup.  It is a direct bury cable and relatively easy as well.  Because it is low voltage, you don't have the requirement you would have with a 110V circuit. On my front stairs where I do have power available, I replaced a giant security light with a light sensing 7W LED light.  7 watts of LED lighting is plenty to light the stairs for walking. Brian On 9/29/2019 6:23 AM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote: > I have a steep one lane driveway that flattens out and also widens to 2 car + parking at the top, so that when backing down it, you can't see where you're going until the car gets off the flat part and the surface is now in your mirror. Additionally, there is no ambient light and it's blacktop, so at night all you have are reverse lights which mostly do nothing. > > I need lights that will allow one to see where they're backing, and ideally something to guide them before the car is on the incline but that's secondary. Maybe the illumination lights can also serve as side-view mirror guide lights. > > One side gets sun most of the day but the other is only morning sun, but maybe enough to do solar, if solar has come far enough that the lights will work for more than a few months. > > I could also just run a circuit underground which would also give me nice options for a lamp post at the bottom, and some footpath lighting in the stone wall at the top. > > Have any of your done this with reasonable success (or, of course, horror stories :-) )? > > thanks, > jim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------1504E6C9A9A79F99F0D5ED7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Solar can be an easy option if you can't run power.  I have brick walls at the end of my driveway and there are no street lights, so I added a pair of solar lights four years ago and they still work.  This is the model:  https://www.homedepot.com/p/Nature-Power-Bayport-16-in-Outdoor-Black-Solar-Lamp-with-Super-Bright-Natural-White-LED-and-3-Mounting-Options-23206/204866812 or if the link doesn't work, search for 204866812 at HomeDepot.com.  There are plenty of other options.  I just tried this one because it was one of their special buys of the day.  This model has a high and low setting.  When the battery gets low, the light drops to the low setting automatically.  In the winter (in Southern CA), the light will often still be on in the morning when I leave for work.

You can also pick up solar path light set at a reasonable price.   I have not had as much luck with them, so don't have a recommendation.  They should be ok to light a path for walking and are very easy to install.  It is cheap enough to pickup a set and try.

If concerned about solar and you have power nearby, look at a low voltage setup.  It is a direct bury cable and relatively easy as well.  Because it is low voltage, you don't have the requirement you would have with a 110V circuit.

On my front stairs where I do have power available, I replaced a giant security light with a light sensing 7W LED light.  7 watts of LED lighting is plenty to light the stairs for walking.

Brian

On 9/29/2019 6:23 AM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
I have a steep one lane driveway that flattens out and also widens to 2 car + parking at the top, so that when backing down it, you can't see where you're going until the car gets off the flat part and the surface is now in your mirror. Additionally, there is no ambient light and it's blacktop, so at night all you have are reverse lights which mostly do nothing. 

I need lights that will allow one to see where they're backing, and ideally something to guide them before the car is on the incline but that's secondary. Maybe the illumination lights can also serve as side-view mirror guide lights.

One side gets sun most of the day but the other is only morning sun, but maybe enough to do solar, if solar has come far enough that the lights will work for more than a few months. 

I could also just run a circuit underground which would also give me nice options for a lamp post at the bottom, and some footpath lighting in the stone wall at the top. 

Have any of your done this with reasonable success (or, of course, horror stories :-) )? 

thanks,
jim

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