Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:58:54 -0500

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Depends on how heavy the brush is you are trimming.  I have a Dewalt 60V
flex trimmer that has two settings.  On the low power setting with the
largest pack, it will run for an hour.  I have use this on all but the
toughest weeds and it did the job admirably.  On the really heavy stuff, I
had to switch it to high power.  On high the battery drain is quite a bit
faster.  I have not done the math, but the 12ah battery was VERY
expensive.  It might be more economical to by two of the 9ah batteries
instead and swap halfway through.

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> I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless ele=
ctric
> model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amoun=
t of
> trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone hav=
e
> any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to rely on.
> Thanks.
>
> Phil Nase
> Applebachsville, PA
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends on how heavy the brush is you are trimming.=C2=A0 =
I have a Dewalt 60V flex trimmer that has two settings.=C2=A0 On the low po=
wer setting with the largest pack, it will run for an hour.=C2=A0 I have us=
e this on all but the toughest weeds and it did the job admirably.=C2=A0 On=
 the really heavy stuff, I had to switch it to high power.=C2=A0 On high th=
e battery drain is quite a bit faster.=C2=A0 I have not done the math, but =
the 12ah battery was VERY expensive.=C2=A0 It might be more economical to b=
y two of the 9ah batteries instead and swap halfway through.<br></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug=
 16, 2019 at 10:44 AM Philip Nase via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I=E2=80=99m looking into repla=
cing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless electric model. I=E2=80=99m in a ru=
ral area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amount of trimming and will need =
it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone have any preferences or advi=
ce on which manufacturers and models to rely on. Thanks. <br>
<br>
Phil Nase<br>
Applebachsville, PA<br>
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From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:11:57 -0400

I have an Ego 56V trimmer.  It uses 0.95 line and it's hard to imagine a 
situation around a home that it couldn't handle.  You might need a pair 
of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you're going to run it flat-out 
for an hour. You'll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat 
out.  A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds to 
cut through most weeds.

I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl's 
blade-capable brushcutters).  The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego 
and it's what I'd use for fence rows the farm but it's overpowered for 
use around a house.  Plus it's heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and just 
plain finicky-ier than the Ego.  There's a lot to be said for being able 
to plug in a battery and being ready to go.

Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup 
aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi's 40V brushless stuff.  
Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.  The 
benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work 
with their other power tools.   I'd stay away from brands like Worx or 
Black & Decker.

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> I’m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless electric model. I’m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amount of trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone have any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to rely on. Thanks.
>
> Phil Nase
> Applebachsville, PA
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From: Ronnie Day via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:31:07 -0500

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What ever you do make sure you get a trimmer with a removable battery, and
see if you can find a bundle that includes an extra battery. They're as
expensive, if not more, than the tools!

RD

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<div dir=3D"ltr">What ever you do make sure you get a trimmer with a remova=
ble battery, and see if you can find a bundle that includes an extra batter=
y. They&#39;re as expensive, if not more, than the tools!<div><br></div><di=
v>RD</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I hav=
e an Ego 56V trimmer.=C2=A0 It uses 0.95 line and it&#39;s hard to imagine =
a <br>
situation around a home that it couldn&#39;t handle.=C2=A0 You might need a=
 pair <br>
of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you&#39;re going to run it flat-ou=
t <br>
for an hour. You&#39;ll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat <=
br>
out.=C2=A0 A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds t=
o <br>
cut through most weeds.<br>
<br>
I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl&#39;s <br>
blade-capable brushcutters).=C2=A0 The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego =
<br>
and it&#39;s what I&#39;d use for fence rows the farm but it&#39;s overpowe=
red for <br>
use around a house.=C2=A0 Plus it&#39;s heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and =
just <br>
plain finicky-ier than the Ego.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a lot to be said for bein=
g able <br>
to plug in a battery and being ready to go.<br>
<br>
Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup <br>
aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi&#39;s 40V brushless stuff.=
=C2=A0 <br>
Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.=C2=A0 Th=
e <br>
benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work <br>
with their other power tools.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;d stay away from brands lik=
e Worx or <br>
Black &amp; Decker.<br>
<br>
<br>
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&gt; I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless =
electric model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fai=
r amount of trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does =
anyone have any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to =
rely on. Thanks.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Phil Nase<br>
&gt; Applebachsville, PA<br>
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From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:34:09 -0400

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Howdy,

I have a B&D 36V battery string trimmer.  I'm not sure it'd run for an hour
of heavy trimming, but I'm not sure it wouldn't either.

Very much prefer it to gas powered setups because we use a trimmer
infrequently and this is just "plug in battery, pull trigger" vs. needing
to get the gas engine to run well.

I'm not sure where you are, but I'd sell you this one for $50 or whatever,
just to have an excuse to get a Milwaukee, since I've recently upgraded my
battery tools and would like to get them all onto the same battery
platform.  :-)

Mark

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>I have a B&amp;D 36V battery str=
ing trimmer.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure it&#39;d run for an hour of heavy trimm=
ing, but I&#39;m not sure it wouldn&#39;t either.<br><br>Very much prefer i=
t to gas powered setups because we use a trimmer infrequently and this is j=
ust &quot;plug in battery, pull trigger&quot; vs. needing to get the gas en=
gine to run well.<br><br>I&#39;m not sure where you are, but I&#39;d sell y=
ou this one for $50 or whatever, just to have an excuse to get a Milwaukee,=
 since I&#39;ve recently upgraded my battery tools and would like to get th=
em all onto the same battery platform.=C2=A0 :-)<br><br>Mark</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, A=
ug 16, 2019 at 1:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have an Ego 56V trimmer=
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From: John Miller via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:43:09 -0700

> I'm not sure where you are, but I'd sell you this one for $50 or 
> whatever, just to have an excuse to get a Milwaukee, since I've recently 
> upgraded my battery tools and would like to get them all onto the same 
> battery platform.  :-)

Yeah, that's the whole thing with battery tools, you are not buying a 
tool you're buying a battery.

I've got a 'consumer-grade' Black and Decker string trimmer and it works 
okay, the string spool isn't really big enough.  But the real bugbear is 
that everything else I've got is DeWalt (okay, same company, but 
different battery).

John.

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From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:26:11 -0500

Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I ordered it.

I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.

It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer and an edger.

Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.

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From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:38:33 -0500

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I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest battery they have,
I would not expect much out of them.  The smallest battery I have for my
Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the drill and impact
driver.  I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, and on high mode it
has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I also have the
Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with it.  I used it to cut
down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in diameter. WIth the 12ah battery
it did the job without any struggling and even had about 60% capacity when
done.

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> Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't
> have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff
> was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I
> ordered it.
>
> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and
> a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's
> not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up
> after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm
> down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour
> break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs
> down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
>
> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower
> hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer
> and an edger.
>
> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting
> up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest b=
attery they have, I would not expect much out of them.=C2=A0 The smallest b=
attery I have for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the dr=
ill and impact driver.=C2=A0 I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, a=
nd on high mode it has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.=
=C2=A0 I also have the Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed wit=
h it.=C2=A0 I used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25&#39; tree about 8&quo=
t; in diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any struggling=
 and even had about 60% capacity when done.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:26=
 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">Related topic.=C2=A0 I recently went through this=
 consideration (still don&#39;t have a new string trimmer or edger) and bec=
ame convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.=C2=A0 Based on reviews and v=
ideos - never touched one till I ordered it.<br>
<br>
I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a=
 charger.=C2=A0 It&#39;s fine, I guess, but unless you push the &quot;Turbo=
&quot; button it&#39;s not close to the power of my=C2=A0 50 year old Echo =
gas blower.=C2=A0 A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not =
any time in Turbo mode, and I&#39;m down to half battery.=C2=A0 If it was l=
eaf season I&#39;d be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.=C2=A0 And=
 I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that&#39;s ju=
st my disappointment kicking in.<br>
<br>
It was an Amazon purchase and it&#39;s going back.=C2=A0 Now I&#39;m not su=
re the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.=C2=A0 I still nee=
d a string trimmer and an edger.<br>
<br>
Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up=
 with 2-cycle engines for a while more.<br>
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:54:47 -0500

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> I also have the Dewalt chain saw

I=E2=80=99m seeing several different ones; is that the 20v 12=E2=80=9D bar =
version?

-- Randall

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Yes the 12" 20v version.  I am using the 60/20 flex volt 12ah battery on
it.

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It's probably better to compare watt-hours rather than amp-hours since 
battery voltages vary.  The Ego 5ah @ 56V battery has 280 watt-hours of 
power.  The 12ah Dewalt Flexvolt battery (12ah in 20V mode, 4ah in 60V 
mode) has 240 watt-hours of power.  So the 5ah Ego battery is a little 
bigger.  Dewalt does offer a 7.5ah battery but it's in their 40V lineup 
(300 watt-hours) that's geared towards landscapers.  It's kind of a 
shame that Dewalt had to bifurcate their batteries like that.  They 
could have just made their landscaper-pro tools use the same 60V 
Flexvolt battery...

Ego also offers a 7.5ah battery but it's heavy and expensive (cheapest 
way to buy one is to buy a mower with the battery, keep the battery and 
sell the bare mower on Ebay).  They also has a 28ah backpack kind of 
like the Stihl and Husqvarna backpacks but it's aimed at landscapers 
(and priced as such).

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> I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest battery they 
> have, I would not expect much out of them. The smallest battery I have 
> for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the drill and 
> impact driver.  I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, and on 
> high mode it has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I 
> also have the Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with 
> it.  I used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in 
> diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any struggling 
> and even had about 60% capacity when done.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's probably better to compare
      watt-hours rather than amp-hours since battery voltages vary.  The
      Ego 5ah @ 56V battery has 280 watt-hours of power.  The 12ah
      Dewalt Flexvolt battery (12ah in 20V mode, 4ah in 60V mode) has
      240 watt-hours of power.  So the 5ah Ego battery is a little
      bigger.  Dewalt does offer a 7.5ah battery but it's in their 40V
      lineup (300 watt-hours) that's geared towards landscapers.  It's
      kind of a shame that Dewalt had to bifurcate their batteries like
      that.  They could have just made their landscaper-pro tools use
      the same 60V Flexvolt battery...<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ego also offers a 7.5ah battery but
      it's heavy and expensive (cheapest way to buy one is to buy a
      mower with the battery, keep the battery and sell the bare mower
      on Ebay).  They also has a 28ah backpack kind of like the Stihl
      and Husqvarna backpacks but it's aimed at landscapers (and priced
      as such).<br>
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        biggest battery they have, I would not expect much out of them. 
        The smallest battery I have for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I
        only use that one on the drill and impact driver.  I have a 12ah
        battery for my string trimmer, and on high mode it has as much
        torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I also have the
        Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with it.  I
        used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in
        diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any
        struggling and even had about 60% capacity when done.<br>
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From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:37:22 -0700

Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay gas, give the 
canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.  My blower, string trimmer, and chain 
saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain 
saw.  Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to keep 
fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.

I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the 
dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.  I said that 
I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.  
Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as written 
and was flooding the engine.  No problems in the 6 years since and it 
gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.

My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3 
years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to just 
toss it.  Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.  The 
semi-pro Echo is far superior.  Especially like the easy loading string 
in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stick it 
through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.  No more trying to 
wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of 
the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor 
products dealer.

Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.  I have a corded electric 
Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.  It too always starts 
right up on Tru-Fuel.  When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 minutes.  
Could never expect a battery product to work for me.

Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't 
consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since I 
stopped mixing with pump gas.

Brian

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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:21:32 -0400

Not living in California sometimes has it's advantages.  I can get
EtOH-free gas, and mix it with Sta-Bil.  I use that in all my lawn
equipment.  I buy it 7-8 gallons at a time, and store it for up to a
year.  Every spring, my Snapper mower starts right up without any
problem.  The two stroke stuff may need a whiff of ether, or maybe not
- can't really figure it out, but it's no problem.

As always, your mileage may /literally/ vary.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:20:24 -0500

Brian, you're right.  THANK YOU !!!  Tru-Fuel seems to be the real deal.  And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold for wine prices.

I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) for a couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest the tractor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP Kohler, about 1999.  I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.

I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK.  For sure better than pump gas (gasohol only here).  With pump gas every new batch of fuel requires carb adjustments.  And I had a can of starting fluid sitting around for decades, unused.  Now I seem to use starting fluid every month or two.

My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years.  Probably a fuel issue.  That was why I tried the EGO blower.  When the EGO wasn't up to the taks, I bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb and put it in.  Filled the tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and it runs.  That ancient Kioritz engine is still strong.  And it blows far stronger than that top-model EGO battery toy.

Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing to save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.  It works.  No more mixing for me.

I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.  Not sure if Echo is still what it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mulcher some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fuel less than 90 days old.  Where is that warning?  In a paragraph on page 17 of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking the muffler while the engine is running.  Who reads that?

My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo oil - and I bought a case from him along with the ES-230.  When the engine overheated I took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.  It ran less than 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the head gasket.  Then he refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.  Bottom line, I got a lemon from a lemon of a dealer.  I called Echo and they gave me a short block as long as I had (another) dealer install it.  And it's still running.  That huge landscaper supply dealer has a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel requirement.

I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that experiment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it.  I'm an engine guy.

Thanks to all !!!
Karl

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From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 07:58:52 -0700

Well, there is no 'aviation unleaded' fuel.  Airports that support 
General Aviation--aka 'small planes'--usually offer 100LL, for 
100-octane 'Low Lead.'  'Low Lead' is relative; it has approximately 
one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard 
110-octane avgas (I think it's 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for the 
110; may be liters instead of gallons).  Put it in a clear container, it 
should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored, 
but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning 
light aircraft.

Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP) 
engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical 
Service Bulletin ('TSB') approval from the FAA--which can cost a couple 
thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling 
procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I 
believe ethanol is considered a 'contaminant'--and the Reid Vapor 
Pressure ('RVP') must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports, 
precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it's 
too much trouble to support for  the small number of aircraft that can 
use it, and the liability is large.

The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft 
fuel, but it's been a years-long process and we're still a couple/few 
years out, and it may never happen.  I'm a Commercial licensed pilot, 
but haven't flown in a few years but keep up on the industry.  I think 
Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.

I've gone all pedantic on you because, if you're getting avgas from a 
pump on the field it's likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump 
island--but don't be fooled; it's loaded with lead and if you're 
breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health.  All the 
gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the 
4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn't know 
that before I bought it).  I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid 
some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you're not doing an engine that 
can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines 
as well).

Bob

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It probably already has been covered, but I am very satisfied with my Stihl
corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.

I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locations to make it more convenient, but I
am battery-free now for yard work (blower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded
mower, but I still prefer the gas mower).

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> > Brian, you're right.  THANK YOU !!!  Tru-Fuel seems to be the real
> deal.  And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold for wine prices.
> >
> > I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta-Bil
> for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) for a
> couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest the tractor doesn't
> care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP Kohler, about 1999.  I don't
> need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.
> >
> > I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical
> lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK.  For sure better
> than pump gas (gasohol only here).  With pump gas every new batch of fuel
> requires carb adjustments.  And I had a can of starting fluid sitting
> around for decades, unused.  Now I seem to use starting fluid every month
> or two.
> >
> > My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years.  Probably a fuel issue.  That
> was why I tried the EGO blower.  When the EGO wasn't up to the taks, I
> bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb and put it in.  Filled the
> tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and it runs.  That ancient Kioritz
> engine is still strong.  And it blows far stronger than that top-model EGO
> battery toy.
> >
> > Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing to
> save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.  It works.  No more mixing for me.
> >
> > I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.  Not sure if Echo is still what
> it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mulcher
> some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fuel
> less than 90 days old.  Where is that warning?  In a paragraph on page 17
> of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking the muffler
> while the engine is running.  Who reads that?
> >
> > My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo oil - and I
> bought a case from him along with the ES-230.  When the engine overheated I
> took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.  It ran less than
> 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the head gasket.  Then he
> refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.  Bottom line, I got a lemon from
> a lemon of a dealer.  I called Echo and they gave me a short block as long
> as I had (another) dealer install it.  And it's still running.  That huge
> landscaper supply dealer has a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel
> requirement.
> >
> > I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that
> experiment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it.  I'm an engine guy.
> >
> > Thanks to all !!!
> > Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery
> and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button
> it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast
> clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode,
> and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2
> hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs
> >> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the
> lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string
> trimmer and an edger.
> >>
> >> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to
> putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
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fied with my Stihl corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locati=
ons to make it more convenient, but I am battery-free now for yard work (bl=
ower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded mower, but I still prefer the gas mowe=
r).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, there is no &#39;aviation =
unleaded&#39; fuel.=C2=A0 Airports that support <br>
General Aviation--aka &#39;small planes&#39;--usually offer 100LL, for <br>
100-octane &#39;Low Lead.&#39;=C2=A0 &#39;Low Lead&#39; is relative; it has=
 approximately <br>
one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard <br>
110-octane avgas (I think it&#39;s 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for th=
e <br>
110; may be liters instead of gallons).=C2=A0 Put it in a clear container, =
it <br>
should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored, <br=
but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning <br=
light aircraft.<br>
<br>
Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP) <br>
engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical <b=
r>
Service Bulletin (&#39;TSB&#39;) approval from the FAA--which can cost a co=
uple <br>
thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling <br>
procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I <br>
believe ethanol is considered a &#39;contaminant&#39;--and the Reid Vapor <=
br>
Pressure (&#39;RVP&#39;) must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports, <=
br>
precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it&#39;s <=
br>
too much trouble to support for=C2=A0 the small number of aircraft that can=
 <br>
use it, and the liability is large.<br>
<br>
The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft <br>
fuel, but it&#39;s been a years-long process and we&#39;re still a couple/f=
ew <br>
years out, and it may never happen.=C2=A0 I&#39;m a Commercial licensed pil=
ot, <br>
but haven&#39;t flown in a few years but keep up on the industry.=C2=A0 I t=
hink <br>
Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve gone all pedantic on you because, if you&#39;re getting avgas from=
 a <br>
pump on the field it&#39;s likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump=
 <br>
island--but don&#39;t be fooled; it&#39;s loaded with lead and if you&#39;r=
e <br>
breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health.=C2=A0 All the <br>
gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the <br>
4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn&#39;t know <b=
r>
that before I bought it).=C2=A0 I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid <=
br>
some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you&#39;re not doing an engine that <=
br>
can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines <br>
as well).<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/26/2019 7:20 AM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; Brian, you&#39;re right.=C2=A0 THANK YOU !!!=C2=A0 Tru-Fuel seems to b=
e the real deal.=C2=A0 And I&#39;ve been scoffing at canned gasoline sold f=
or wine prices.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta=
-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) =
for a couple of years.=C2=A0 Runs much better, though to be honest the trac=
tor doesn&#39;t care what gas is in it or how old.=C2=A0 17.5 HP Kohler, ab=
out 1999.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical=
 lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it&#39;s seemed mostly OK.=C2=A0 For s=
ure better than pump gas (gasohol only here).=C2=A0 With pump gas every new=
 batch of fuel requires carb adjustments.=C2=A0 And I had a can of starting=
 fluid sitting around for decades, unused.=C2=A0 Now I seem to use starting=
 fluid every month or two.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My (1970) Echo blower hadn&#39;t run in years.=C2=A0 Probably a fuel i=
ssue.=C2=A0 That was why I tried the EGO blower.=C2=A0 When the EGO wasn&#3=
9;t up to the taks, I bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo&#39;s carb an=
d put it in.=C2=A0 Filled the tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and =
it runs.=C2=A0 That ancient Kioritz engine is still strong.=C2=A0 And it bl=
ows far stronger than that top-model EGO battery toy.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there&#39;s nothing =
to save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0 No more mixi=
ng for me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.=C2=A0 Not sure if Echo is sti=
ll what it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mu=
lcher some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fu=
el less than 90 days old.=C2=A0 Where is that warning?=C2=A0 In a paragraph=
 on page 17 of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking t=
he muffler while the engine is running.=C2=A0 Who reads that?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My &quot;Pro&quot; Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo =
oil - and I bought a case from him along with the ES-230.=C2=A0 When the en=
gine overheated I took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.=
=C2=A0 It ran less than 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the he=
ad gasket.=C2=A0 Then he refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.=C2=A0 Bo=
ttom line, I got a lemon from a lemon of a dealer.=C2=A0 I called Echo and =
they gave me a short block as long as I had (another) dealer install it.=C2=
=A0 And it&#39;s still running.=C2=A0 That huge landscaper supply dealer ha=
s a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel requirement.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that experi=
ment will cost me, but it wasn&#39;t worth it.=C2=A0 I&#39;m an engine guy.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks to all !!!<br>
&gt; Karl<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Brian Kemp [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>]<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regarding your &quot;lower hassle factor&quot; comment, if you stay ga=
s, give the<br>
&gt; canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.=C2=A0 My blower, string trimmer, and =
chain<br>
&gt; saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain<=
br>
&gt; saw.=C2=A0 Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to=
 keep<br>
&gt; fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the<br=
&gt; dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.=C2=A0 I sa=
id that<br>
&gt; I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.=
<br>
&gt; Turns out I shouldn&#39;t have followed the starting directions as wri=
tten<br>
&gt; and was flooding the engine.=C2=A0 No problems in the 6 years since an=
d it<br>
&gt; gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3<b=
r>
&gt; years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to ju=
st<br>
&gt; toss it.=C2=A0 Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.=
=C2=A0 The<br>
&gt; semi-pro Echo is far superior.=C2=A0 Especially like the easy loading =
string<br>
&gt; in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20&#39; length of .095 line, stic=
k it<br>
&gt; through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.=C2=A0 No more tryin=
g to<br>
&gt; wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of<=
br>
&gt; the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor<br>
&gt; products dealer.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.=C2=A0 I have a corded el=
ectric<br>
&gt; Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.=C2=A0 It too always=
 starts<br>
&gt; right up on Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 When I use it, I&#39;m running it 30-45 mi=
nutes.<br>
&gt; Could never expect a battery product to work for me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don&#39;t<=
br>
&gt; consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since=
 I<br>
&gt; stopped mixing with pump gas.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Brian<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Related topic.=C2=A0 I recently went through this consideration (s=
till don&#39;t have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced tha=
t the EGO stuff was the best.=C2=A0 Based on reviews and videos - never tou=
ched one till I ordered it.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH batt=
ery and a charger.=C2=A0 It&#39;s fine, I guess, but unless you push the &q=
uot;Turbo&quot; button it&#39;s not close to the power of my=C2=A0 50 year =
old Echo gas blower.=C2=A0 A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger=
 but not any time in Turbo mode, and I&#39;m down to half battery.=C2=A0 If=
 it was leaf season I&#39;d be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.=
=C2=A0 And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe tha=
t&#39;s just my disappointment kicking in.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; It was an Amazon purchase and it&#39;s going back.=C2=A0 Now I&#39=
;m not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.=C2=A0 I =
still need a string trimmer and an edger.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to p=
utting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.<br>
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From: John Miller via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:22:04 -0700

> I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added
> Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow
> blower) for a couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest
> the tractor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP
> Kohler, about 1999.  I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.

It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most 
of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on 
this.

Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily 
leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the 
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet, 
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.

John.

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:27:44 -0500

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Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of
lead that standard automotive gas contained.  The guys who run this stuff
in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits on valve
stems and seats.  I have personally see a valve stem so leaded up that it
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x=
 the amount of lead that standard automotive gas contained.=C2=A0 The guys =
who run this stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead =
deposits on valve stems and seats.=C2=A0 I have personally see a valve stem=
 so leaded up that it stuck open.=C2=A0 Use at your own risk.<br></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Au=
g 26, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Miller via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt; I&#39;ve brought aviatio=
n unleaded home from the airport and added<br>
&gt; Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow<=
br>
&gt; blower) for a couple of years.=C2=A0 Runs much better, though to be ho=
nest<br>
&gt; the tractor doesn&#39;t care what gas is in it or how old.=C2=A0 17.5 =
HP<br>
&gt; Kohler, about 1999.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle st=
uff.<br>
<br>
It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.=C2=A0 Half the lead of mos=
t <br>
of the earlier grades, most everyone&#39;s pretty much still standardized o=
n <br>
this.<br>
<br>
Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily <b=
r>
leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.=C2=A0 The reason the <=
br>
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet, <br>
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.<br>
<br>
John.<br>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:22:05 -0500

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The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.  In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to prove =
that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded car =
gas.  Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar project.  Both sell =
STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific fuel in applicable aircraft. =
 Basically a permit to allow the use of unleaded auto fuel a specific in =
aircraft under specified conditions.

=20

The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.  Here in the Peoples Republic of =
Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and there are =
only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a car or =
truck with ethanol-free car gas.

=20

For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.  It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just planes. =
 And airports can legally pump it into cans for small-engine use.

=20

I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.  Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.  Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, it=E2=80=99s a =
2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just fine.

=20

Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty much =
gone today.  That was good for mowers, etc. too.  As noted, 100 LL has =
4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be an issue in =
aircraft engines.  Some guys who have the auto fuel STC even run 75% =
auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.  When 80 octane went =
away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, many pilots =
experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were done.  =
Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place too.  But =
that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have appropriate valves =
and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.  Personally I=E2=80=99ve not =
had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which has stock WWII era valves =
and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to pull three cylinders over =
the years and disassemble the valves, with no lead fouling issues =
present.

=20

As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve not =
ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.  We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom uses =
100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 HP).  =
And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.  Maybe the purple =
stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as I know =
most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.

=20

One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.  That=E2=80=99s still an option.

=20

Thanks !!

Karl

=20

=20

=20

=20

Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of =
lead that standard automotive gas contained.  The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.  I have personally see a valve stem so leaded =
up that it stuck open.  Use at your own risk.

=20

It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most=20
of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on =

this.

Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =

leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the=20
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet,=20
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.

John

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A'>The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.=C2=A0 In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to =
prove that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded =
car gas.=C2=A0 Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar =
project.=C2=A0 Both sell STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific =
fuel in applicable aircraft.=C2=A0 Basically a permit to allow the use =
of unleaded auto fuel a specific in aircraft under specified =
conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.=C2=A0 Here in the Peoples =
Republic of Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and =
there are only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a =
car or truck with ethanol-free car gas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just =
planes.=C2=A0 And airports can legally pump it into cans for =
small-engine use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.=C2=A0 Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.=C2=A0 Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, =
it=E2=80=99s a 2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty =
much gone today.=C2=A0 That was good for mowers, etc. too.=C2=A0 As =
noted, 100 LL has 4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be =
an issue in aircraft engines.=C2=A0 Some guys who have the auto fuel STC =
even run 75% auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.=C2=A0 =
When 80 octane went away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, =
many pilots experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were =
done.=C2=A0 Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place =
too.=C2=A0 But that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have =
appropriate valves and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.=C2=A0 =
Personally I=E2=80=99ve not had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which =
has stock WWII era valves and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to =
pull three cylinders over the years and disassemble the valves, with no =
lead fouling issues present.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve =
not ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.=C2=A0 We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom =
uses 100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 =
HP).=C2=A0 And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.=C2=A0 Maybe =
the purple stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as =
I know most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s still an =
option.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Thanks !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keep in =
mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of lead =
that standard automotive gas contained.&nbsp; The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.&nbsp; I have personally see a valve stem so =
leaded up that it stuck open.&nbsp; Use at your own =
risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:11.4pt'><br>It was probably blue, and it was probably =
100LL.&nbsp; Half the lead of most <br>of the earlier grades, most =
everyone's pretty much still standardized on <br>this.<br><br>Some =
places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =
<br>leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.&nbsp; The =
reason the <br>Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all =
that sweet, <br>sweet American leaded 130-octane =
gasoline.<br><br>John<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p =
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From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:40:27 -0500

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I should add that yes, as Bob Spidell stated, there=E2=80=99s no actual =
thing as =E2=80=9Caviation unleaded=E2=80=9D but at least theoretically =
the fuel suppliers control RVP, etc to the ASTM specs required by the =
FAA-issued STC=E2=80=99s for aircraft use.  In fact, the refineries and =
distributors are supposed to maintain specific trucks only to deliver =
car gas for aircraft use to avoid any cross-contamination.  It carries =
no road tax (a huge part of car gas prices) but the cost of the separate =
refinery streams and distribution costs still price it well over a buck =
a gallon more than car gas at a nearby gas station.  Our airport sells =
mogas for $4.30 per gallon.  Costco had 93 octane for $3.30  the other =
day.

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In my limited experience our airport=E2=80=99s car gas has been very =
consistent.  But I don=E2=80=99t have an auto gas STC for my present =
plane because 100 LL works fine for me and there=E2=80=99s little price =
difference.  And I=E2=80=99m sure that 100 LL is pretty consistent =
across the country.  Not too sure what I=E2=80=99d get out of a mogas =
pump at some unfamiliar airport.

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As they say, YMMV

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From: Karl Vacek [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:22 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I should add that yes, as Bob Spidell stated, there=E2=80=99s no =
actual thing as =E2=80=9Caviation unleaded=E2=80=9D but at least =
theoretically the fuel suppliers control RVP, etc to the ASTM specs =
required by the FAA-issued STC=E2=80=99s for aircraft use.=C2=A0 In =
fact, the refineries and distributors are supposed to maintain specific =
trucks only to deliver car gas for aircraft use to avoid any =
cross-contamination.=C2=A0 It carries no road tax (a huge part of car =
gas prices) but the cost of the separate refinery streams and =
distribution costs still price it well over a buck a gallon more than =
car gas at a nearby gas station.=C2=A0 Our airport sells mogas for $4.30 =
per gallon.=C2=A0 Costco had 93 octane for $3.30=C2=A0 the other =
day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>In my limited experience our airport=E2=80=99s car gas has been very =
consistent.=C2=A0 But I don=E2=80=99t have an auto gas STC for my =
present plane because 100 LL works fine for me and there=E2=80=99s =
little price difference.=C2=A0 And I=E2=80=99m sure that 100 LL is =
pretty consistent across the country.=C2=A0 Not too sure what =
I=E2=80=99d get out of a mogas pump at some unfamiliar =
airport.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>As they say, YMMV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Karl Vacek [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
August 26, 2019 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Shop-talk] Electric =
String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.&nbsp; In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to =
prove that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded =
car gas.&nbsp; Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar =
project.&nbsp; Both sell STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific =
fuel in applicable aircraft.&nbsp; Basically a permit to allow the use =
of unleaded auto fuel a specific in aircraft under specified =
conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.&nbsp; Here in the Peoples =
Republic of Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and =
there are only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a =
car or truck with ethanol-free car gas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just =
planes.&nbsp; And airports can legally pump it into cans for =
small-engine use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.&nbsp; Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.&nbsp; Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, =
it=E2=80=99s a 2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty =
much gone today.&nbsp; That was good for mowers, etc. too.&nbsp; As =
noted, 100 LL has 4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be =
an issue in aircraft engines.&nbsp; Some guys who have the auto fuel STC =
even run 75% auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.&nbsp; =
When 80 octane went away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, =
many pilots experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were =
done.&nbsp; Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place =
too.&nbsp; But that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have =
appropriate valves and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.&nbsp; =
Personally I=E2=80=99ve not had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which =
has stock WWII era valves and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to =
pull three cylinders over the years and disassemble the valves, with no =
lead fouling issues present.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve =
not ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.&nbsp; We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom =
uses 100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 =
HP).&nbsp; And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.&nbsp; Maybe =
the purple stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as =
I know most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s still an =
option.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Thanks !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keep in =
mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of lead =
that standard automotive gas contained.&nbsp; The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.&nbsp; I have personally see a valve stem so =
leaded up that it stuck open.&nbsp; Use at your own =
risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:11.4pt'><br>It was probably blue, and it was probably =
100LL.&nbsp; Half the lead of most <br>of the earlier grades, most =
everyone's pretty much still standardized on <br>this.<br><br>Some =
places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =
<br>leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.&nbsp; The =
reason the <br>Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all =
that sweet, <br>sweet American leaded 130-octane =
gasoline.<br><br>John<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p =
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