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We recently changed insurance companies for home and auto. The home basical=
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Anyway, I was told by the agent that the home insurance company would have =
denied us coverage if I had any pex in my house.

Has anyone heard of this? I though pex was the latest and greatest.....



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> Anyway, I was told by the agent that the home insurance company would 
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>
PEX, or the earlier plastics?

Some of the earlier stuff is a disaster waiting to happen, but my 
understanding is that PEX is pretty much accepted under UPC everywhere.

John.
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Plumbing fun
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My house has some of these fittings that I had never seen before:
https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Plumbing-Installation/Pr=
ess-Tools
They're thicker than normal fittings and have an o-ring that is clamped
down on the pipe to form a seal.   I've not seen leaks at any of them, but
I wonder how that o-ring will age (hoping it is something more stable than
natural rubber!)  They're kind of like a hybrid of the pex crimping, but on
copper

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 4:46 PM David Scheidt via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:00 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk
> <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that plumbers use the expansion method of
> termination because it is easier, faster & cheaper. They also don=E2=80=
=99t need to
> stock the crimp rings.
>
>
> There are other advantages, for one expansion fittings are closer to
> full flow.  It also requires good quality tubing (pex-a), and not the
> cheap stuff on offer at the borg. It's also possible to tell visually
> inspect the joint and see that the fitting is properly installed.  The
> joints also tend to get stronger over time,as the pex wants to
> contract to its original diameter, so it grabs tighter on the fitting.
> Expansion fittings do require an expansion ring, so they do have extra
> parts to stock.
>
>
> --
> David Scheidt
> dmscheidt@gmail.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My house has some of these fittings that I had never seen =
before:=C2=A0=C2=A0

<a href=3D"https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Plumbing-Inst=
allation/Press-Tools">https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Pl=
umbing-Installation/Press-Tools</a><div>They&#39;re thicker than normal fit=
tings and have an o-ring that is clamped down on the pipe to form a seal.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;ve not seen leaks at any of them, but I wonder how that =
o-ring will age (hoping it is something more stable than natural rubber!)=
=C2=A0 They&#39;re kind of like a hybrid of the pex crimping, but on copper=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 4:46 PM David Scheidt via Shop-talk &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Aug 1=
, 2019 at 10:00 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My understanding is that plumbers use the expansion method of terminat=
ion because it is easier, faster &amp; cheaper. They also don=E2=80=99t nee=
d to stock the crimp rings.<br>
<br>
<br>
There are other advantages, for one expansion fittings are closer to<br>
full flow.=C2=A0 It also requires good quality tubing (pex-a), and not the<=
br>
cheap stuff on offer at the borg. It&#39;s also possible to tell visually<b=
r>
inspect the joint and see that the fitting is properly installed.=C2=A0 The=
<br>
joints also tend to get stronger over time,as the pex wants to<br>
contract to its original diameter, so it grabs tighter on the fitting.<br>
Expansion fittings do require an expansion ring, so they do have extra<br>
parts to stock.<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
David Scheidt<br>
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m</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:47:52 -0500
To: Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plumbing fun
From: Ronnie Day via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Cc: Shop-Talk List <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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We did our small cabin using primarily pex and the sharkbite push to
connect (PTC) connectors. Yes, individually they're expensive, but we spent
way less than a good crimper would've cost, about 3 years ago when I did
the plumbing lines. They also have the advantage of being more easily
changed than with a crimper. Shower, bathroom and kitchen sinks all grouped
together.

I would not buy rolled pex. It's NOT very flexible. The local plumbing
supply had sticks in 10 and 20 foot lengths and I used a simple hand held
cutter. It worked great. There are plenty of adapters and valves to connect
the pex to threaded pipe and fittings. HD and Lowes started carrying more
of the no traditional options since we did our place.

We're on 10 acres not far from Bryan/College Station and use rainwater
collection so the water is filtered probably better than a well without
extra filtering would be. The whole system has worked out very well.

RD

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:17 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> There are screens at the inlets where the hoses connect to the back
> of my washing machine.  When I have this problem, I always find a
> bunch of sediment and debris clogging up the screens.  It is easy to
> check and easy to fix.  Invest ten minutes in checking that before
> you start a major project. These are what I'm talking
> about:
> www.amazon.com/Danco-80070-Washers-Screen-Black/dp/B000KKULR2/ref=sr_1_11
>
> -Steve
>
> At 09:01 PM 7/30/2019, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk wrote:
>
> >And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to
> >buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix
> >this problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At
> >the moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at
> >a rate of about a gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being
> >clogged, or the valve, or the pipes feeding it?  Fun fun fun!
> >
> >mjb.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We did our small cabin using primarily pex and the sharkbi=
te push to connect (PTC) connectors. Yes, individually they&#39;re expensiv=
e, but we spent way less than a good crimper would&#39;ve cost, about 3 yea=
rs ago when I did the plumbing lines. They also have the advantage of being=
 more easily changed than with a crimper. Shower, bathroom and kitchen sink=
s all grouped together.<div><br></div><div>I would not buy rolled pex. It&#=
39;s NOT very flexible. The local plumbing supply had sticks in 10 and 20 f=
oot lengths and I used a simple hand held cutter. It worked great. There ar=
e plenty of adapters and valves to connect the pex to threaded pipe and fit=
tings. HD and Lowes started carrying more of the no traditional options sin=
ce we did our place.<div><br></div><div>We&#39;re on 10 acres not far from =
Bryan/College Station and use rainwater collection so the water is filtered=
 probably better than a well without extra filtering would be. The whole sy=
stem has worked out very well.</div></div><div><br></div><div>RD</div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:17 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There are screens at t=
he inlets where the hoses connect to the back <br>
of my washing machine.=C2=A0 When I have this problem, I always find a <br>
bunch of sediment and debris clogging up the screens.=C2=A0 It is easy to <=
br>
check and easy to fix.=C2=A0 Invest ten minutes in checking that before <br=
>
you start a major project. These are what I&#39;m talking <br>
about: <br>
<a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Danco-80070-Washers-Screen-Black/dp/B000KK=
ULR2/ref=3Dsr_1_11" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.amazon.com/Dan=
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At 09:01 PM 7/30/2019, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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&gt;And then, this project has got me thinking.=C2=A0 It might be my cue to=
 <br>
&gt;buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix <br=
>
&gt;this problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.=C2=A0 At=
 <br>
&gt;the moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at <b=
r>
&gt;a rate of about a gallon a day.=C2=A0 Is it just the fill hose being <b=
r>
&gt;clogged, or the valve, or the pipes feeding it?=C2=A0 Fun fun fun!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;mjb.<br>
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:03:53 -0500
To: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plumbing fun
From: John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Our home was built new in 2007 and is 100% PEX with crimp rings.  Not only
have we not had any issues with the PEX, we survived a hard freeze with no
damage and no leaks.  I have never used a shark-bite connector so can't
comment on those, but I am a big fan of PEX now.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:00 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> My understanding is that plumbers use the expansion method of termination
> because it is easier, faster & cheaper. They also don=E2=80=99t need to s=
tock the
> crimp rings.
>
> I plumbed my shop w/apartment (4 sinks, 1 shower, 1 tub, 1 washer, 2
> toilets & 2 hose bibs)using PEX & crimp rings. It was cheap & easy. That
> was a year ago & I have no leaks.
>
> In my house I used some shark bite connectors on a copper pipe & it
> started leaking.
>
> My use is just a single point but it worked fine for me.  YMMV
>
> peace,
> Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Jim Juhas via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I used PEX on my kitchen remodel in 2011. Maybe I didn't know any better
> but I used the crimp rings on hot and cold sides, run to the icemaker, fe=
ed
> to dishwasher. Everything is still intact. Only downside is that PEX unde=
r
> the sink isn't as pretty as copper.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > The union in the photograph doesn=E2=80=99t look terrible to me.  I=E2=
=80=99ve certainly
> successfully worked with worse.  If only to buy you some time, it can=E2=
=80=99t
> hurt to wrap a couple of extra turns of teflon tape around the new fittin=
g
> - or goober it up with pipe dope - and see if it works.
> >
> > That isn=E2=80=99t to say that a re-plumb isn=E2=80=99t in your future.=
 The clogged pipe
> looks pretty scary.  I haven=E2=80=99t worked much with PEX, but have wat=
ched
> plumbers using it and am pretty impressed.  None of the pros seem to use
> crimpers for their connections, and they tell me they don=E2=80=99t trust=
 crimped
> connections.  They use something like this:
> https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2432-22-12-Volt-Propex-Expansion/dp/B004=
8EJX7U/ref=3Dsr_1_1?crid=3D20YNES0KKJ2KB&keywords=3Dmilwaukee+pex+expander+=
tool&qid=3D1564536668&s=3Dhi&sprefix=3DMilwaukee+pex%2Ctools%2C127&sr=3D1-1=
.
> There are manual versions of this for sale, but I am sure this is the way
> to go if you are doing a fair amount of work.
> >
> > I have also been told by professionals that Shark Bite fittings are
> really good.  They are expensive if you are doing a lot of work, but a go=
od
> way connecting PEX to other forms of pipe.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >> On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <
> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, got the old
> pipes out without too much trouble.  I sprayed a few of the joints with
> WD40 a few times, maybe that helped, maybe it didn't.
> >>
> >>
> >> So now the question is can I get the sealing face that rusty old union
> cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I going to have to replace it
> too, which might mean tearing into the wall in the next room.  Or maybe n=
ot.
> >>
> >> And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to buy
> a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix this
> problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At the moment
> when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at a rate of about=
 a
> gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being clogged, or the valve, or t=
he
> pipes feeding it?  Fun fun fun!
> >>
> >> mjb.
> >>
> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Our home was built new in 2007 and is 100% PEX with crimp =
rings.=C2=A0 Not only have we not had any issues with the PEX, we survived =
a hard freeze with no damage and no leaks.=C2=A0 I have never used a shark-=
bite connector so can&#39;t comment on those, but I am a big fan of PEX now=
.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:00 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My understanding =
is that plumbers use the expansion method of termination because it is easi=
er, faster &amp; cheaper. They also don=E2=80=99t need to stock the crimp r=
ings. <br>
<br>
I plumbed my shop w/apartment (4 sinks, 1 shower, 1 tub, 1 washer, 2 toilet=
s &amp; 2 hose bibs)using PEX &amp; crimp rings. It was cheap &amp; easy. T=
hat was a year ago &amp; I have no leaks. <br>
<br>
In my house I used some shark bite connectors on a copper pipe &amp; it sta=
rted leaking. <br>
<br>
My use is just a single point but it worked fine for me.=C2=A0 YMMV<br>
<br>
peace,<br>
Pat<br>
<br>
Pat Horne <br>
We support Habitat for Humanity<br>
<br>
<br>
On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Jim Juhas via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
hop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br>
<br>
I used PEX on my kitchen remodel in 2011. Maybe I didn&#39;t know any bette=
r but I used the crimp rings on hot and cold sides, run to the icemaker, fe=
ed to dishwasher. Everything is still intact. Only downside is that PEX und=
er the sink isn&#39;t as pretty as copper.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The union in the photograph doesn=E2=80=99t look terrible to me.=C2=A0=
 I=E2=80=99ve certainly successfully worked with worse.=C2=A0 If only to bu=
y you some time, it can=E2=80=99t hurt to wrap a couple of extra turns of t=
eflon tape around the new fitting - or goober it up with pipe dope - and se=
e if it works.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That isn=E2=80=99t to say that a re-plumb isn=E2=80=99t in your future=
. The clogged pipe looks pretty scary.=C2=A0 I haven=E2=80=99t worked much =
with PEX, but have watched plumbers using it and am pretty impressed.=C2=A0=
 None of the pros seem to use crimpers for their connections, and they tell=
 me they don=E2=80=99t trust crimped connections.=C2=A0 They use something =
like this: <a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2432-22-12-Volt-Prop=
ex-Expansion/dp/B0048EJX7U/ref=3Dsr_1_1?crid=3D20YNES0KKJ2KB&amp;keywords=
=3Dmilwaukee+pex+expander+tool&amp;qid=3D1564536668&amp;s=3Dhi&amp;sprefix=
=3DMilwaukee+pex%2Ctools%2C127&amp;sr=3D1-1" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2432-22-12-Volt-Propex-Expansion/dp=
/B0048EJX7U/ref=3Dsr_1_1?crid=3D20YNES0KKJ2KB&amp;keywords=3Dmilwaukee+pex+=
expander+tool&amp;qid=3D1564536668&amp;s=3Dhi&amp;sprefix=3DMilwaukee+pex%2=
Ctools%2C127&amp;sr=3D1-1</a>.=C2=A0 There are manual versions of this for =
sale, but I am sure this is the way to go if you are doing a fair amount of=
 work. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have also been told by professionals that Shark Bite fittings are re=
ally good.=C2=A0 They are expensive if you are doing a lot of work, but a g=
ood way connecting PEX to other forms of pipe.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Jim<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, got the =
old pipes out without too much trouble.=C2=A0 I sprayed a few of the joints=
 with WD40 a few times, maybe that helped, maybe it didn&#39;t.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; So now the question is can I get the sealing face that rusty old u=
nion cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I going to have to replace=
 it too, which might mean tearing into the wall in the next room.=C2=A0 Or =
maybe not.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; And then, this project has got me thinking.=C2=A0 It might be my c=
ue to buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix t=
his problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.=C2=A0 At the =
moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at a rate of =
about a gallon a day.=C2=A0 Is it just the fill hose being clogged, or the =
valve, or the pipes feeding it?=C2=A0 Fun fun fun!<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; mjb.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
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Guy definitely  asked about PEX. I think I'll call them back for clarificat=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] PEX.....was Plumbing fun

We recently changed insurance companies for home and auto. The home basical=
ly came along with the auto to get an even better discount than auto alone.

Anyway, I was told by the agent that the home insurance company would have =
denied us coverage if I had any pex in my house.

Has anyone heard of this? I though pex was the latest and greatest.....



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I=E2=80=99ve had good experience with SharkBite fittings, but one thing =
I don=E2=80=99t like about them is the fact that they allow the fitting =
to rotate after installation.  The first time I used them was to put =
shut off valves on a bathroom sink (the plumber was only responsible for =
the rough-in work).  They are leak-free 2 years on, but I don=E2=80=99t =
like the fact that the valves can rotate when you use them.  Since then, =
I=E2=80=99ve tried to design any other SharkBite uses such that =
everything is locked down when done.

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Ronnie Day via Shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> We did our small cabin using primarily pex and the sharkbite push to =
connect (PTC) connectors. Yes, individually they're expensive, but we =
spent way less than a good crimper would've cost, about 3 years ago when =
I did the plumbing lines. They also have the advantage of being more =
easily changed than with a crimper. Shower, bathroom and kitchen sinks =
all grouped together.
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> I would not buy rolled pex. It's NOT very flexible. The local plumbing =
supply had sticks in 10 and 20 foot lengths and I used a simple hand =
held cutter. It worked great. There are plenty of adapters and valves to =
connect the pex to threaded pipe and fittings. HD and Lowes started =
carrying more of the no traditional options since we did our place.
>=20
> We're on 10 acres not far from Bryan/College Station and use rainwater =
collection so the water is filtered probably better than a well without =
extra filtering would be. The whole system has worked out very well.
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> RD
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> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:17 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk =
> There are screens at the inlets where the hoses connect to the back=20
> of my washing machine.  When I have this problem, I always find a=20
> bunch of sediment and debris clogging up the screens.  It is easy to=20=

> check and easy to fix.  Invest ten minutes in checking that before=20
> you start a major project. These are what I'm talking=20
> about:=20
> =
www.amazon.com/Danco-80070-Washers-Screen-Black/dp/B000KKULR2/ref=3Dsr_1_1=
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> -Steve
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> At 09:01 PM 7/30/2019, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk wrote:
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> >And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to=20
> >buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix=20=

> >this problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At=20
> >the moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at=20=

> >a rate of about a gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being=20
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class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve had good experience with SharkBite fittings, but =
one thing I don=E2=80=99t like about them is the fact that they allow =
the fitting to rotate after installation. &nbsp;The first time I used =
them was to put shut off valves on a bathroom sink (the plumber was only =
responsible for the rough-in work). &nbsp;They are leak-free 2 years on, =
but I don=E2=80=99t like the fact that the valves can rotate when you =
use them. &nbsp;Since then, I=E2=80=99ve tried to design any other =
SharkBite uses such that everything is locked down when done.<br =
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class=3D"">We did our small cabin using primarily pex and the sharkbite =
push to connect (PTC) connectors. Yes, individually they're expensive, =
but we spent way less than a good crimper would've cost, about 3 years =
ago when I did the plumbing lines. They also have the advantage of being =
more easily changed than with a crimper. Shower, bathroom and kitchen =
sinks all grouped together.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I would not buy rolled pex. It's NOT very flexible. The local =
plumbing supply had sticks in 10 and 20 foot lengths and I used a simple =
hand held cutter. It worked great. There are plenty of adapters and =
valves to connect the pex to threaded pipe and fittings. HD and Lowes =
started carrying more of the no traditional options since we did our =
place.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We're on 10 =
acres not far from Bryan/College Station and use rainwater collection so =
the water is filtered probably better than a well without extra =
filtering would be. The whole system has worked out very =
well.</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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bunch of sediment and debris clogging up the screens.&nbsp; It is easy =
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Someone please correct me here since I doubt this is accurate....

I seem to remember reading, years ago, that if an automatic transmission ha=
s had regular service that it shouldn't be done if the vehicle has a lot of=
 miles on it. Something about the new fluid can degrade the seals?

Am I totally misremembering this? or what?

thanks

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that should have read: "hasn't had regular service".
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Someone please correct me here since I doubt this is accurate....

I seem to remember reading, years ago, that if an automatic transmission ha=
s had regular service that it shouldn't be done if the vehicle has a lot of=
 miles on it. Something about the new fluid can degrade the seals?

Am I totally misremembering this? or what?


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Subject: [Shop-talk] Garden tool storage shed
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In my slowly ongoing efforts to bright the Fat Chance Garage back to 
life, back to a place  where once again Triumph sports cars will receive 
quality attention, I am thinking of getting one of these.  I'm willing 
to drop a few hundred on something like this 2 x 4 foot plastic shed, so 
I can move the rakes and shovels and such out of the garage, out of my way.

Does anyone have any experience with these units?

mjb.



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Just purchased and assembled (actually wife did 60% of the assembly)
a Keter Artisan 7'x11' shed.  Totally awesome quality plastic shed, walls
are "webbed" and are maybe 1/2" thick.  However different sizes and
models may be different construction.  Keter is worldwide, sells different
models thru Lowes, HD and Costco, among other.

Steve Hammatt
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Subject: [Shop-talk] Garden tool storage shed

In my slowly ongoing efforts to bright the Fat Chance Garage back to
life, back to a place  where once again Triumph sports cars will receive
quality attention, I am thinking of getting one of these.  I'm willing
to drop a few hundred on something like this 2 x 4 foot plastic shed, so
I can move the rakes and shovels and such out of the garage, out of my way.

Does anyone have any experience with these units?

mjb.








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On 8/5/2019 9:41 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
> Someone please correct me here since I doubt this is accurate....
> 
> I seem to remember reading, years ago, that if an automatic transmission 
> has had regular service that it shouldn't be done if the vehicle has a 
> lot of miles on it. Something about the new fluid can degrade the seals?

I don't think it's the seals, but a friend who was once an engineer on 
the P71 Crown Vic (police) program at Ford once told me that auto trans 
life is very simple: drain and fill the transmission pan every 50K.

Don't worry about the torque converter or the filter, just drain and 
fill, then do it again the next 50K.  You can drop the pan and do the 
filter every so often, but don't obsess about how much you get out or 
how you do it, just get new fluid in there regularly.

That's kinda been my model since.

John.
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I've only owned one auto-trans car, our 05 Subaru wagon. The manual will te=
ll you that trans fluid is a lifetime fill, and ours doesn't get driven har=
d or abused, but 50k seems reasonable. It's not like it's hard, especially =
if you're already doing the oil. I've done ours twice in 144k.

One tip is to measure as accurately as possible how much fluid you drain an=
d replace with exactly that much. Checking AT fluid levels is tricky depend=
ing on temperature (on Subarus at least) or how level your driveway is, and=
 it's just easier to know how much to put back in so you don't over or unde=
rfill.

I've replaced the AT filter at the same time, added a magnetic drain plug a=
nd dropped the pan once, but I don't think any of that is necessary during =
each fill.

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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of John Miller=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] modern tranny service

On 8/5/2019 9:41 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
> Someone please correct me here since I doubt this is accurate....
>
> I seem to remember reading, years ago, that if an automatic transmission
> has had regular service that it shouldn't be done if the vehicle has a
> lot of miles on it. Something about the new fluid can degrade the seals?

I don't think it's the seals, but a friend who was once an engineer on
the P71 Crown Vic (police) program at Ford once told me that auto trans
life is very simple: drain and fill the transmission pan every 50K.

Don't worry about the torque converter or the filter, just drain and
fill, then do it again the next 50K.  You can drop the pan and do the
filter every so often, but don't obsess about how much you get out or
how you do it, just get new fluid in there regularly.

That's kinda been my model since.

John.
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op-talk@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 5, 2019 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> shop-talk@autox.team.net &lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] modern tranny service</font>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">On 8/5/2019 9:41 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:<br=
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&gt; Someone please correct me here since I doubt this is accurate....<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I seem to remember reading, years ago, that if an automatic transmissi=
on <br>
&gt; has had regular service that it shouldn't be done if the vehicle has a=
 <br>
&gt; lot of miles on it. Something about the new fluid can degrade the seal=
s?<br>
<br>
I don't think it's the seals, but a friend who was once an engineer on <br>
the P71 Crown Vic (police) program at Ford once told me that auto trans <br=
>
life is very simple: drain and fill the transmission pan every 50K.<br>
<br>
Don't worry about the torque converter or the filter, just drain and <br>
fill, then do it again the next 50K.&nbsp; You can drop the pan and do the =
<br>
filter every so often, but don't obsess about how much you get out or <br>
how you do it, just get new fluid in there regularly.<br>
<br>
That's kinda been my model since.<br>
<br>
John.<br>
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To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garden tool storage shed
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I had a similar 2' X 4' shed (Rubbermaid brand, I think). It was great, and
had slots where I could slide in some shelves.

Make sure it is on level ground (or a poured concrete slab) and it'll be
solid. Don't store any birdseed or other critter-attractive foods, they'll
chew holes in it.

-Peter

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:41 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> In my slowly ongoing efforts to bright the Fat Chance Garage back to
> life, back to a place  where once again Triumph sports cars will receive
> quality attention, I am thinking of getting one of these.  I'm willing
> to drop a few hundred on something like this 2 x 4 foot plastic shed, so
> I can move the rakes and shovels and such out of the garage, out of my way.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these units?
>
> mjb.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had a similar 2&#39; X 4&#39; shed (Rubbermaid brand, I =
think). It was great, and had slots where I could slide in some shelves.<di=
v><br></div><div>Make sure it is on level ground (or a poured concrete slab=
) and it&#39;ll be solid. Don&#39;t store any birdseed or other critter-att=
ractive foods, they&#39;ll chew holes in it.</div><div><br></div><div>-Pete=
r</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 2:41 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb=
(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In my slowly ongoing efforts to bright the =
Fat Chance Garage back to <br>
life, back to a place=C2=A0 where once again Triumph sports cars will recei=
ve <br>
quality attention, I am thinking of getting one of these.=C2=A0 I&#39;m wil=
ling <br>
to drop a few hundred on something like this 2 x 4 foot plastic shed, so <b=
r>
I can move the rakes and shovels and such out of the garage, out of my way.=
<br>
<br>
Does anyone have any experience with these units?<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
<br>
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To: Shop-Talk List <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Self contained home security cameras
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We live in the country on 10 acres. Our nearest neighbors are around a mile
away. We don't bother to lock the doors unless we're going to be gone at
least overnight. Someone could bulldoze the house and no one would be
likely to hear or see it happening. Monitored home security is really a
non-starter. We're 35 miles from the nearest town that would provide that
type of service.

I just realized that I could put up small, self contained "game" type
cameras to cover the front and back doors, hopefully to help ID anyone that
breaks in, and reinforce any insurance claims. I'm talking battery powered
or at least battery back-up, motion controlled, using SD cards or some
other removable memory.

Just started research, but thought tossing it out to the group worth doing.

RD

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are around a mile away. We don&#39;t bother to lock the doors unless we&#39=
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nd no one would be likely to hear or see it happening. Monitored home secur=
ity is really a non-starter. We&#39;re 35 miles from the nearest town that =
would provide that type of service.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I just realize=
d that I could put up small, self contained &quot;game&quot; type cameras t=
o cover the front and back doors, hopefully to help ID anyone that breaks i=
n, and reinforce any insurance claims. I&#39;m talking battery powered or a=
t least battery back-up, motion controlled, using SD cards or some other re=
movable memory.</div><div><br></div><div>Just started research, but thought=
 tossing it out to the group worth doing.</div><div><br></div><div>RD</div>=
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To: Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Self contained home security cameras
From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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You'll want them to stream to the cloud, if possible. Otherwise, if they're
noticed, they'll be taken, and the footage will leave with them. Consider
Dropcam.

I wouldn't discount something like Simplisafe, which isn't too expensive,
and offers cameras. It'll give you notification of events at the house
(fire alarm, CO alert, water detection, etc) as well as unexpected door
opening, glass break, etc.

-Peter

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:58 PM Ronnie Day via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> We live in the country on 10 acres. Our nearest neighbors are around a
> mile away. We don't bother to lock the doors unless we're going to be gone
> at least overnight. Someone could bulldoze the house and no one would be
> likely to hear or see it happening. Monitored home security is really a
> non-starter. We're 35 miles from the nearest town that would provide that
> type of service.
>
> I just realized that I could put up small, self contained "game" type
> cameras to cover the front and back doors, hopefully to help ID anyone that
> breaks in, and reinforce any insurance claims. I'm talking battery powered
> or at least battery back-up, motion controlled, using SD cards or some
> other removable memory.
>
> Just started research, but thought tossing it out to the group worth doing.
>
> RD
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You&#39;ll want them to stream to the cloud, if possible. =
Otherwise, if they&#39;re noticed, they&#39;ll be taken, and the footage wi=
ll leave with them. Consider Dropcam.<div><br></div><div>I wouldn&#39;t dis=
count something like Simplisafe, which isn&#39;t too expensive, and offers =
cameras. It&#39;ll give you notification of events at the house (fire alarm=
, CO alert, water detection, etc) as well as unexpected door opening, glass=
 break, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11=
:58 PM Ronnie Day via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.=
net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">We live in the country on 10 =
acres. Our nearest neighbors are around a mile away. We don&#39;t bother to=
 lock the doors unless we&#39;re going to be gone at least overnight. Someo=
ne could bulldoze the house and no one would be likely to hear or see it ha=
ppening. Monitored home security is really a non-starter. We&#39;re 35 mile=
s from the nearest town that would provide that type of service.=C2=A0<div>=
<br></div><div>I just realized that I could put up small, self contained &q=
uot;game&quot; type cameras to cover the front and back doors, hopefully to=
 help ID anyone that breaks in, and reinforce any insurance claims. I&#39;m=
 talking battery powered or at least battery back-up, motion controlled, us=
ing SD cards or some other removable memory.</div><div><br></div><div>Just =
started research, but thought tossing it out to the group worth doing.</div=
><div><br></div><div>RD</div></div>
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I might be wrong, but I think the problem here will be the fact that he probably does not have high speed internet or maybe no wired internet at all. With miles between homes most of that "world" is just not wired.  Which is ridiculous as we have given the Verizons, Comcasts, Spectrums etc etc in the USA enough tax breaks and entitlements that every home in America should have fiber optic.

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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark Miller via Shop-talk
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A very good plan.  Be sure they are inconspicuous or they will leave with your uninvited guest.  There are many USB powered version out there and they are very inexpensive.
Another option is to get something turnkey that will broadcast the info, like a Ring doorbell or floodlight.  They upload the video to a server (costs about $25 a year for the subscription for this) and you can view it when you want to/need to. Or real time from your phone.  If you get the doorbell you can talk to whoever is at the door.  Not sure about the light but the doorbell has internal batteries and can also be hardwired (either to an existing door bell circuit or with an external
transformer) so you don't have to think about them.

Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com


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> We live in the country on 10 acres. Our nearest neighbors are around a mile
> away. We don't bother to lock the doors unless we're going to be gone at
> least overnight. Someone could bulldoze the house and no one would be
> likely to hear or see it happening. Monitored home security is really a
> non-starter. We're 35 miles from the nearest town that would provide that
> type of service.
>
> I just realized that I could put up small, self contained "game" type
> cameras to cover the front and back doors, hopefully to help ID anyone that
> breaks in, and reinforce any insurance claims. I'm talking battery powered
> or at least battery back-up, motion controlled, using SD cards or some
> other removable memory.
>
> Just started research, but thought tossing it out to the group worth doing.
>
> RD
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I've looked into similar capability, but have not made a decision. Just 
searched for this type of product and found 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Oco-Pro-Bullet-Outdoor-Indoor-1080p-Cloud-Surveillance-and-Security-Camera-with-Remote-Viewing-4-Pack-OPHWB4-16US/300505129 
as a sample.  One of the reviews says "These are a great camera for 
people who do not want to have a DVR box or hard wired cameras. You 
still have to wire power but the wifi feature with the SD card storage 
is the way of the future. This is great for homes without cable internet 
that have a lot of cameras since DSL or wireless connections would get 
bogged down if all the clips were being uploaded like with Nest or Arlo 
etc. I have yet to find another camera like this. Hikvision is likely 
the OEM that rebrands these for Oco which is a good thing as they are 
the largest IP camera maker in the world and know how to do it. Also, 
these do not run hot like the samsung I tried before this."  I have no 
experience with this specific product and only offer it as an example.

If you can run a single network cable, you can install Power Over 
Ethernet (PoE) cameras connected to a digital video recorder (DVR) that 
records everything to a hard drive that you can watch on a monitor/TV or 
on a computer.  These solutions start at about $300. The key thing here 
is to put the central DVR in a location that a thief wouldn't find (not 
next to your computer or TV).

I've learned a good bit from https://ipcamtalk.com/

I have a neighbor that runs a system using Blue Iris software on a PC 
and says he likes it.

I've read in several places that a battery only camera isn't a good idea 
as the motion sensing will drain the battery often enough that it 
becomes problematic.

If looking at a Ring doorbell, make sure your internet connection is 
good enough.  Ring says you need at least 2MB upload if you hunt enough 
though their site.  Even after moving from DSL to cable internet to get 
2MB, the connection still is not always good enough.

On 8/8/2019 8:54 PM, Ronnie Day via Shop-talk wrote:
> We live in the country on 10 acres. Our nearest neighbors are around a 
> mile away. We don't bother to lock the doors unless we're going to be 
> gone at least overnight. Someone could bulldoze the house and no one 
> would be likely to hear or see it happening. Monitored home security 
> is really a non-starter. We're 35 miles from the nearest town that 
> would provide that type of service.
>
> I just realized that I could put up small, self contained "game" type 
> cameras to cover the front and back doors, hopefully to help ID anyone 
> that breaks in, and reinforce any insurance claims. I'm talking 
> battery powered or at least battery back-up, motion controlled, using 
> SD cards or some other removable memory.
>
> Just started research, but thought tossing it out to the group worth 
> doing.
>
> RD
>
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    I've looked into similar capability, but have not made a decision. 
    Just searched for this type of product and found
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Oco-Pro-Bullet-Outdoor-Indoor-1080p-Cloud-Surveillance-and-Security-Camera-with-Remote-Viewing-4-Pack-OPHWB4-16US/300505129">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Oco-Pro-Bullet-Outdoor-Indoor-1080p-Cloud-Surveillance-and-Security-Camera-with-Remote-Viewing-4-Pack-OPHWB4-16US/300505129</a>
    as a sample.  One of the reviews says "These are a great camera for
    people who do not want to have a DVR box or hard wired cameras. You
    still have to wire power but the wifi feature with the SD card
    storage is the way of the future. This is great for homes without
    cable internet that have a lot of cameras since DSL or wireless
    connections would get bogged down if all the clips were being
    uploaded like with Nest or Arlo etc. I have yet to find another
    camera like this. Hikvision is likely the OEM that rebrands these
    for Oco which is a good thing as they are the largest IP camera
    maker in the world and know how to do it. Also, these do not run hot
    like the samsung I tried before this."  I have no experience with
    this specific product and only offer it as an example.<br>
    <br>
    If you can run a single network cable, you can install Power Over
    Ethernet (PoE) cameras connected to a digital video recorder (DVR)
    that records everything to a hard drive that you can watch on a
    monitor/TV or on a computer.  These solutions start at about $300. 
    The key thing here is to put the central DVR in a location that a
    thief wouldn't find (not next to your computer or TV).<br>
    <br>
    I've learned a good bit from <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ipcamtalk.com/">https://ipcamtalk.com/</a> <br>
    <br>
    I have a neighbor that runs a system using Blue Iris software on a
    PC and says he likes it.<br>
    <br>
    I've read in several places that a battery only camera isn't a good
    idea as the motion sensing will drain the battery often enough that
    it becomes problematic.  <br>
    <br>
    If looking at a Ring doorbell, make sure your internet connection is
    good enough.  Ring says you need at least 2MB upload if you hunt
    enough though their site.  Even after moving from DSL to cable
    internet to get 2MB, the connection still is not always good enough.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/8/2019 8:54 PM, Ronnie Day via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">We live in the country on 10 acres. Our nearest
        neighbors are around a mile away. We don't bother to lock the
        doors unless we're going to be gone at least overnight. Someone
        could bulldoze the house and no one would be likely to hear or
        see it happening. Monitored home security is really a
        non-starter. We're 35 miles from the nearest town that would
        provide that type of service. 
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        <div>I just realized that I could put up small, self contained
          "game" type cameras to cover the front and back doors,
          hopefully to help ID anyone that breaks in, and reinforce any
          insurance claims. I'm talking battery powered or at least
          battery back-up, motion controlled, using SD cards or some
          other removable memory.</div>
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        </div>
        <div>Just started research, but thought tossing it out to the
          group worth doing.</div>
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        <div>RD</div>
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Subject: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question
From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.

I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.

I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is "too large for the destination file system".

I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.

Thoughts?

(our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get help=
)

Thanks
tim

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Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
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I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
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I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
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I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
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(our &quot;IT&quot; department is worthless so I am not going to even try t=
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Thanks</div>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:09:07 -0400
To: "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question
From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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--000000000000203f3f05902aeff6

You're hitting the FAT32 filesystem limit of 4GB max for a single file. Try
using Winzip or 7-zip to create a split .zip file.



On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:58 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer
> people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.
>
> I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB
> flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.
>
> I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB )
> is "too large for the destination file system".
>
> I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still
> won't transfer.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get
> help)
>
> Thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You&#39;re hitting the FAT32 filesystem limit of 4GB max f=
or a single file. Try using Winzip or 7-zip to create a split .zip file.<di=
v><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:58 PM Tim . via Shop-=
talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
">




<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I&#39;d see if anyone can help.=C2=
=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is &quot;too large for the destination file system&quot;.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won&=
#39;t transfer.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thoughts?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.

The file name is only "EX 8 Agular edited video" and I cannot edit the vide=
o as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit court.

Thanks for the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question

Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.

I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.

I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is "too large for the destination file system".

I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.

Thoughts?

(our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get help=
)

Thanks
tim

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I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.&nbsp;</div>
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The file name is only &quot;EX 8 Agular edited video&quot; and I cannot edi=
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Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
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I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.&nbsp;</div>
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<br>
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I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
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<br>
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I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.&nbsp;</div>
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<br>
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(our &quot;IT&quot; department is worthless so I am not going to even try t=
o get help)</div>
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<br>
</div>
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Thanks</div>
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tim</div>
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I think its the Fat32 file format on that the flash drive was 
formatted. You hit 4GB file size limit. You need to format as NTFS or 
exFAT.

NTFS On 8/15/2019 12:57 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
> Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few 
> computer people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can 
> help.
>
> I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 
> 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.
>
> I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 
> 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file system".
>
> I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still 
> won't transfer.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get 
> help)
>
> Thanks
> tim
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think its the Fat32 file format on
      that the flash drive was formatted. You hit 4GB file size limit.
      You need to format as NTFS or exFAT.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">NTFS On 8/15/2019 12:57 PM, Tim . via
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        Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a
        few computer people who are on this list so thought I'd see if
        anyone can help.</div>
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        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on
        first an 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.</div>
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        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos
        (only 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file system".</div>
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        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file
        still won't transfer.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        Thoughts?</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try
        to get help)</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
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        Thanks</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        tim</div>
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You can also try burning to a CD if that is acceptable to the court and 
you have a computer than can do that. That is how I submitted dash cam 
footage of an accident to my insurance company.

Brian

On 8/15/2019 10:13 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
> I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.
>
> The file name is only "EX 8 Agular edited video" and I cannot edit the 
> video as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit court.
>
> Thanksfor the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim 
> . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] thumb drive question
> Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few 
> computer people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can 
> help.
>
> I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 
> 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.
>
> I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 
> 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file system".
>
> I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still 
> won't transfer.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get 
> help)
>
> Thanks
> tim
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    You can also try burning to a CD if that is acceptable to the court
    and you have a computer than can do that. That is how I submitted
    dash cam footage of an accident to my insurance company.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 10:13 AM, Tim . via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:DM6PR13MB22339690DDC2A5A6566F0782B4AC0@DM6PR13MB2233.namprd13.prod.outlook.com">
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        I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        The file name is only "EX 8 Agular edited video" and I cannot
        edit the video as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit
        court.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Thanksfor the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.</div>
      <div>
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        <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
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            Shop-talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net">&lt;shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> on behalf
            of Tim . via Shop-talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">&lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Shop Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">&lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
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          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than
            a few computer people who are on this list so thought I'd
            see if anyone can help.</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on
            first an 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos
            (only 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file
            system".</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the
            file still won't transfer.</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            Thoughts?</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even
            try to get help)</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            <br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
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            Thanks</div>
          <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;
            font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
            tim</div>
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Biggest capacity disc I stock is a 4.7GB DVD so not big enough.

________________________________
From: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:25 PM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>; Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.=
net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question

You can also try burning to a CD if that is acceptable to the court and you=
 have a computer than can do that.  That is how I submitted dash cam footag=
e of an accident to my insurance company.

Brian

On 8/15/2019 10:13 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.

The file name is only "EX 8 Agular edited video" and I cannot edit the vide=
o as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit court.

Thanks for the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.

________________________________
@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net=
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question

Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.

I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.

I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is "too large for the destination file system".

I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.

Thoughts?

(our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get help=
)

Thanks
tim



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Biggest capacity disc I stock is a 4.7GB DVD so not big enough.&nbsp;</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:25 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color:#FFFFFF">You can also try burning to a CD if=
 that is acceptable to the court and you have a computer than can do that.&=
nbsp; That is how I submitted dash cam footage of an accident to my insuran=
ce company.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
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I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.&nbsp;</div>
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The file name is only &quot;EX 8 Agular edited video&quot; and I cannot edi=
t the video as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit court.&nbsp;</=
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Thanks&nbsp;for the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.&nbsp;</di=
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&lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM<br>
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Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.&nbsp;</d=
iv>
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I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.&nbsp;</div>
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I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is &quot;too large for the destination file system&quot;.&nbsp;</div>
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I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.&nbsp;</div>
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Thoughts?</div>
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(our &quot;IT&quot; department is worthless so I am not going to even try t=
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Thanks</div>
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The file is too big for the chosen file system on the thumb drive - 
reformat it to exfat and it should work.

Best,

rkg

(Richard George)

On 8/15/2019 9:57 AM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
> Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few 
> computer people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can 
> help.
>
> I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 
> 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.
>
> I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 
> 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file system".
>
> I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still 
> won't transfer.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get 
> help)
>
> Thanks
> tim
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    <p>The file is too big for the chosen file system on the thumb drive
      - reformat it to exfat and it should work.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>rkg</p>
    <p>(Richard George)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 9:57 AM, Tim . via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:DM6PR13MB2233FC334E668C3B1A649D1EB4AC0@DM6PR13MB2233.namprd13.prod.outlook.com">
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        Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a
        few computer people who are on this list so thought I'd see if
        anyone can help.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on
        first an 8GB flash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos
        (only 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file system".</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file
        still won't transfer.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Thoughts?</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        (our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try
        to get help)</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Thanks</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        tim</div>
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Tim,

Do you know what the formatting is?  If the flash is FAT32 the maximum =
size of any one file is 4GB.   You should try exFAT

Tim

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<http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm>


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> Thoughts?
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Do you know what the formatting is? =
&nbsp;If the flash is FAT32 the maximum size of any one file is 4GB. =
&nbsp; You should try exFAT</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
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type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:57 PM, =
Tim . via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net" =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Sorry for the off topic but I know that =
there are more than a few computer people who are on this list so =
thought I'd see if anyone can help.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I am trying =
to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB flash drive =
and now a 32GB flash drive.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I keep getting an error message that says =
one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) is "too large for the destination file =
system".&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
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font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I did a fresh quick format on the empty =
flash drive but the file still won't transfer.&nbsp;</div><div =
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Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">(our "IT" =
department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get =
help)</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question
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Thanks for all the quick replies guys. As I was dealing with this I was won=
dering about the format I used on the drive when I erased. Once I switched =
to exFAT it was all good.

Thanks again
tim

________________________________
From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:13 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>; Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.=
com>
Subject: Re: thumb drive question

I wondered at the FAT32 issue. I'll try a different format.

The file name is only "EX 8 Agular edited video" and I cannot edit the vide=
o as I have to submit an exact copy to the circuit court.

Thanks for the quick replies. I'll try that diff format now.

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] thumb drive question

Sorry for the off topic but I know that there are more than a few computer =
people who are on this list so thought I'd see if anyone can help.

I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.

I keep getting an error message that says one of the videos (only 5.27GB ) =
is "too large for the destination file system".

I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
t transfer.

Thoughts?

(our "IT" department is worthless so I am not going to even try to get help=
)

Thanks
tim

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The file name is only &quot;EX 8 Agular edited video&quot; and I cannot edi=
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:57 AM<br>
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I am trying to put about 6.5GB worth of hearing exhibits on first an 8GB fl=
ash drive and now a 32GB flash drive.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
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<br>
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<br>
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I did a fresh quick format on the empty flash drive but the file still won'=
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If you are looking at strap hinges, can you use regular door hinges?  It 
wouldn't be rigid, but may work depending on the need. If you want to go 
with strap hinges, just grind off the end of the pin so it comes out and 
perhaps use the right diameter nail in place of the hinge pin.

Another option might be to saw a groove in the top of bottom of each 
panel and use something like 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-12-Gauge-Angle-A33/100374962 
to lock the panels together.  This would require that the connecting 
edges be mitered.

My final thought is a segment of straight bar and an offset bar.  On one 
edge, you would put the offset brackets and the other panel would have 
straight brackets.  Basic graphic of the offset bracket below.

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Think of a smaller version of a bracket where you would drop a 2x4 
across a door to block it closed.  Hope that makes sense.

Brian

On 8/15/2019 8:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk 
wrote:
> I’m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair of 2” thick 
> panels (3’x 6’) to form
> a right angle.  Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for quick 
> assembly and teardown.
> Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.  First thought was strap hinges with 
> removable pins.
> Strangely I haven’t seen anything with removable pins, they mostly say 
> non-removable.
> Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered wedge acting 
> as a pin, like
> maybe in concrete form assembly.....?  But haven’t seen anything that 
> would work.
> I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be used in the shop!
> Thanks for any ideas.
> Steve Hammatt
> Mount Vernon WA USA
> www.leatherplates.com <http://www.leatherplates.com>
>
>
>
>
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    If you are looking at strap hinges, can you use regular door
    hinges?  It wouldn't be rigid, but may work depending on the need. 
    If you want to go with strap hinges, just grind off the end of the
    pin so it comes out and perhaps use the right diameter nail in place
    of the hinge pin.<br>
    <br>
    Another option might be to saw a groove in the top of bottom of each
    panel and use something like
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-12-Gauge-Angle-A33/100374962">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-12-Gauge-Angle-A33/100374962</a>
    to lock the panels together.  This would require that the connecting
    edges be mitered.<br>
    <br>
    My final thought is a segment of straight bar and an offset bar.  On
    one edge, you would put the offset brackets and the other panel
    would have straight brackets.  Basic graphic of the offset bracket
    below.<br>
    <br>
      |<br>
      |<br>
      |<br>
    --<br>
    |<br>
    |<br>
    |<br>
    <br>
    Think of a smaller version of a bracket where you would drop a 2x4
    across a door to block it closed.  Hope that makes sense.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2019 8:31 PM, Steve Hammatt,
      Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:F97D4D573830458EAD44C9349B8E9521@DESKTOPTOA1F5G">
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          <div>I’m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair
            of 2” thick panels (3’x 6’) to form </div>
          <div>a right angle.  Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for
            quick assembly and teardown.</div>
          <div>Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.  First thought was
            strap hinges with removable pins.</div>
          <div>Strangely I haven’t seen anything with removable pins,
            they mostly say non-removable. </div>
          <div>Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered
            wedge acting as a pin, like </div>
          <div>maybe in concrete form assembly.....?  But haven’t seen
            anything that would work.</div>
          <div>I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be
            used in the shop!</div>
          <div>Thanks for any ideas.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR:
            #000000">Steve Hammatt<br>
            Mount Vernon WA USA<br>
            <a href="http://www.leatherplates.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">www.leatherplates.com</a></div>
          <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR:
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There are some tapered connectors used to connect side rails to head & footb=
oards in beds (Rockler GRP343_1)

There are also cross bolts like Rockler 36073 if strength & rigidity are imp=
ortant.=20

Peace,
Pat


Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-ta=
lk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair of 2=E2=80=9D=
 thick panels (3=E2=80=99x 6=E2=80=99) to form
a right angle.  Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for quick assembly and t=
eardown.
Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.  First thought was strap hinges with remov=
able pins.
Strangely I haven=E2=80=99t seen anything with removable pins, they mostly s=
ay non-removable.
Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered wedge acting as a p=
in, like
maybe in concrete form assembly.....?  But haven=E2=80=99t seen anything tha=
t would work.
I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be used in the shop!
Thanks for any ideas.
=20
Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">There are some tapered connectors used to c=
onnect side rails to head &amp; footboards in beds (Rockler GRP343_1)<div><b=
r></div><div>There are also cross bolts like Rockler 36073 if strength &amp;=
 rigidity are important.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat=
</div><div><br></div><div><br><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255=
, 255, 0); font-weight: 700;">Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity</spa=
n><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 15, 2019=
, at 10:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>I=E2=80=99m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair of 2=E2=
=80=9D thick panels=20
(3=E2=80=99x 6=E2=80=99) to form </div>
<div>a right angle.&nbsp; Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for quick=20
assembly and teardown.</div>
<div>Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.&nbsp; First thought was strap hinges w=
ith=20
removable pins.</div>
<div>Strangely I haven=E2=80=99t seen anything with removable pins, they mos=
tly say=20
non-removable. </div>
<div>Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered wedge acting a=
s a=20
pin, like </div>
<div>maybe in concrete form assembly.....?&nbsp; But haven=E2=80=99t seen an=
ything that=20
would work.</div>
<div>I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be used in the=20=

shop!</div>
<div>Thanks for any ideas.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Steve=
=20
Hammatt<br>Mount Vernon WA USA<br><a href=3D"http://www.leatherplates.com">w=
ww.leatherplates.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"><br><=
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Depends on how heavy the brush is you are trimming.  I have a Dewalt 60V
flex trimmer that has two settings.  On the low power setting with the
largest pack, it will run for an hour.  I have use this on all but the
toughest weeds and it did the job admirably.  On the really heavy stuff, I
had to switch it to high power.  On high the battery drain is quite a bit
faster.  I have not done the math, but the 12ah battery was VERY
expensive.  It might be more economical to by two of the 9ah batteries
instead and swap halfway through.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 10:44 AM Philip Nase via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless ele=
ctric
> model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amoun=
t of
> trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone hav=
e
> any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to rely on.
> Thanks.
>
> Phil Nase
> Applebachsville, PA
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends on how heavy the brush is you are trimming.=C2=A0 =
I have a Dewalt 60V flex trimmer that has two settings.=C2=A0 On the low po=
wer setting with the largest pack, it will run for an hour.=C2=A0 I have us=
e this on all but the toughest weeds and it did the job admirably.=C2=A0 On=
 the really heavy stuff, I had to switch it to high power.=C2=A0 On high th=
e battery drain is quite a bit faster.=C2=A0 I have not done the math, but =
the 12ah battery was VERY expensive.=C2=A0 It might be more economical to b=
y two of the 9ah batteries instead and swap halfway through.<br></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug=
 16, 2019 at 10:44 AM Philip Nase via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-=
talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
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cing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless electric model. I=E2=80=99m in a ru=
ral area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amount of trimming and will need =
it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone have any preferences or advi=
ce on which manufacturers and models to rely on. Thanks. <br>
<br>
Phil Nase<br>
Applebachsville, PA<br>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] temporary connections...THANKS
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Thanks everyone for great suggestions.=20
I=E2=80=99m headed to the bed frame connections as=20
seemingly the best solution for me.

Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



From: Pat Horne=20
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:03 AM
To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA=20
Cc: Shop Talk List=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] temporary connections
There are some tapered connectors used to connect side rails to head & =
footboards in beds (Rockler GRP343_1)=20

There are also cross bolts like Rockler 36073 if strength & rigidity are =
important.=20

Peace,
Pat


Pat Horne We support Habitat for Humanity=20


On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via =
Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


I=E2=80=99m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair of =
2=E2=80=9D thick panels (3=E2=80=99x 6=E2=80=99) to form=20
a right angle.  Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for quick assembly =
and teardown.
Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.  First thought was strap hinges with =
removable pins.
Strangely I haven=E2=80=99t seen anything with removable pins, they =
mostly say non-removable.=20
Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered wedge acting =
as a pin, like=20
maybe in concrete form assembly.....?  But haven=E2=80=99t seen anything =
that would work.
I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be used in the =
shop!
Thanks for any ideas.

Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



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<DIV>Thanks everyone for great suggestions. </DIV>
<DIV>I=E2=80=99m headed to the bed frame connections as </DIV>
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<DIV>I=E2=80=99m looking for something to temporarily connect a pair of =
2=E2=80=9D thick panels=20
(3=E2=80=99x 6=E2=80=99) to form </DIV>
<DIV>a right angle.&nbsp; Inexpensive and easily knocked apart for quick =

assembly and teardown.</DIV>
<DIV>Panels weigh nearly 100 lbs each.&nbsp; First thought was strap =
hinges with=20
removable pins.</DIV>
<DIV>Strangely I haven=E2=80=99t seen anything with removable pins, they =
mostly say=20
non-removable. </DIV>
<DIV>Maybe something like a fitting thru a slot with a tapered wedge =
acting as a=20
pin, like </DIV>
<DIV>maybe in concrete form assembly.....?&nbsp; But haven=E2=80=99t =
seen anything that=20
would work.</DIV>
<DIV>I only need two, this is a one-time build and it will be used in =
the=20
shop!</DIV>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
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What ever you do make sure you get a trimmer with a removable battery, and
see if you can find a bundle that includes an extra battery. They're as
expensive, if not more, than the tools!

RD

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have an Ego 56V trimmer.  It uses 0.95 line and it's hard to imagine a
> situation around a home that it couldn't handle.  You might need a pair
> of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you're going to run it flat-out
> for an hour. You'll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat
> out.  A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds to
> cut through most weeds.
>
> I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl's
> blade-capable brushcutters).  The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego
> and it's what I'd use for fence rows the farm but it's overpowered for
> use around a house.  Plus it's heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and just
> plain finicky-ier than the Ego.  There's a lot to be said for being able
> to plug in a battery and being ready to go.
>
> Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup
> aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi's 40V brushless stuff.
> Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.  The
> benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work
> with their other power tools.   I'd stay away from brands like Worx or
> Black & Decker.
>
>
>
> On 8/16/19 11:43 AM, Philip Nase via Shop-talk wrote:
> > I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless e=
lectric
> model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amoun=
t of
> trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone hav=
e
> any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to rely on.
> Thanks.
> >
> > Phil Nase
> > Applebachsville, PA
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<div dir=3D"ltr">What ever you do make sure you get a trimmer with a remova=
ble battery, and see if you can find a bundle that includes an extra batter=
y. They&#39;re as expensive, if not more, than the tools!<div><br></div><di=
v>RD</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I hav=
e an Ego 56V trimmer.=C2=A0 It uses 0.95 line and it&#39;s hard to imagine =
a <br>
situation around a home that it couldn&#39;t handle.=C2=A0 You might need a=
 pair <br>
of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you&#39;re going to run it flat-ou=
t <br>
for an hour. You&#39;ll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat <=
br>
out.=C2=A0 A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds t=
o <br>
cut through most weeds.<br>
<br>
I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl&#39;s <br>
blade-capable brushcutters).=C2=A0 The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego =
<br>
and it&#39;s what I&#39;d use for fence rows the farm but it&#39;s overpowe=
red for <br>
use around a house.=C2=A0 Plus it&#39;s heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and =
just <br>
plain finicky-ier than the Ego.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a lot to be said for bein=
g able <br>
to plug in a battery and being ready to go.<br>
<br>
Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup <br>
aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi&#39;s 40V brushless stuff.=
=C2=A0 <br>
Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.=C2=A0 Th=
e <br>
benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work <br>
with their other power tools.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;d stay away from brands lik=
e Worx or <br>
Black &amp; Decker.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/16/19 11:43 AM, Philip Nase via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless =
electric model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fai=
r amount of trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does =
anyone have any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to =
rely on. Thanks.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Phil Nase<br>
&gt; Applebachsville, PA<br>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
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Howdy,

I have a B&D 36V battery string trimmer.  I'm not sure it'd run for an hour
of heavy trimming, but I'm not sure it wouldn't either.

Very much prefer it to gas powered setups because we use a trimmer
infrequently and this is just "plug in battery, pull trigger" vs. needing
to get the gas engine to run well.

I'm not sure where you are, but I'd sell you this one for $50 or whatever,
just to have an excuse to get a Milwaukee, since I've recently upgraded my
battery tools and would like to get them all onto the same battery
platform.  :-)

Mark

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have an Ego 56V trimmer.  It uses 0.95 line and it's hard to imagine a
> situation around a home that it couldn't handle.  You might need a pair
> of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you're going to run it flat-out
> for an hour. You'll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat
> out.  A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds to
> cut through most weeds.
>
> I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl's
> blade-capable brushcutters).  The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego
> and it's what I'd use for fence rows the farm but it's overpowered for
> use around a house.  Plus it's heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and just
> plain finicky-ier than the Ego.  There's a lot to be said for being able
> to plug in a battery and being ready to go.
>
> Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup
> aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi's 40V brushless stuff.
> Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.  The
> benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work
> with their other power tools.   I'd stay away from brands like Worx or
> Black & Decker.
>
>
>
> On 8/16/19 11:43 AM, Philip Nase via Shop-talk wrote:
> > I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless e=
lectric
> model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fair amoun=
t of
> trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does anyone hav=
e
> any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to rely on.
> Thanks.
> >
> > Phil Nase
> > Applebachsville, PA
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>I have a B&amp;D 36V battery str=
ing trimmer.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure it&#39;d run for an hour of heavy trimm=
ing, but I&#39;m not sure it wouldn&#39;t either.<br><br>Very much prefer i=
t to gas powered setups because we use a trimmer infrequently and this is j=
ust &quot;plug in battery, pull trigger&quot; vs. needing to get the gas en=
gine to run well.<br><br>I&#39;m not sure where you are, but I&#39;d sell y=
ou this one for $50 or whatever, just to have an excuse to get a Milwaukee,=
 since I&#39;ve recently upgraded my battery tools and would like to get th=
em all onto the same battery platform.=C2=A0 :-)<br><br>Mark</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, A=
ug 16, 2019 at 1:12 PM Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have an Ego 56V trimmer=
.=C2=A0 It uses 0.95 line and it&#39;s hard to imagine a <br>
situation around a home that it couldn&#39;t handle.=C2=A0 You might need a=
 pair <br>
of 2.5Ah batteries or the 5Ah battery if you&#39;re going to run it flat-ou=
t <br>
for an hour. You&#39;ll find, though, that you rarely need to run it flat <=
br>
out.=C2=A0 A brushless motor will have enough torque even at lower speeds t=
o <br>
cut through most weeds.<br>
<br>
I also have a Stihl FS85r brushcutter (25cc, smallest of Stihl&#39;s <br>
blade-capable brushcutters).=C2=A0 The Stihl is more powerful than the Ego =
<br>
and it&#39;s what I&#39;d use for fence rows the farm but it&#39;s overpowe=
red for <br>
use around a house.=C2=A0 Plus it&#39;s heavier, smellier, louder (!!) and =
just <br>
plain finicky-ier than the Ego.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a lot to be said for bein=
g able <br>
to plug in a battery and being ready to go.<br>
<br>
Ego, Greenworks 60V or 80V, Dewalt 60V (they also have a 40V lineup <br>
aimed at landscapers), Milwaukee, and even Ryobi&#39;s 40V brushless stuff.=
=C2=A0 <br>
Any of those brands are pretty well-reviewed and would do the job.=C2=A0 Th=
e <br>
benefit of the Dewalt and Milwaukee gear is their batteries will work <br>
with their other power tools.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;d stay away from brands lik=
e Worx or <br>
Black &amp; Decker.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/16/19 11:43 AM, Philip Nase via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99m looking into replacing a 25cc gas trimmer with a cordless =
electric model. I=E2=80=99m in a rural area with a 1 acre lot. I have a fai=
r amount of trimming and will need it to run an hour between charges. Does =
anyone have any preferences or advice on which manufacturers and models to =
rely on. Thanks.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Phil Nase<br>
&gt; Applebachsville, PA<br>
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Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I ordered it.

I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.

It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer and an edger.

Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.

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To: Karl Vacek <stearman809@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
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I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest battery they have,
I would not expect much out of them.  The smallest battery I have for my
Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the drill and impact
driver.  I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, and on high mode it
has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I also have the
Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with it.  I used it to cut
down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in diameter. WIth the 12ah battery
it did the job without any struggling and even had about 60% capacity when
done.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:26 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't
> have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff
> was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I
> ordered it.
>
> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and
> a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's
> not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up
> after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm
> down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour
> break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs
> down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
>
> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower
> hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer
> and an edger.
>
> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting
> up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest b=
attery they have, I would not expect much out of them.=C2=A0 The smallest b=
attery I have for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the dr=
ill and impact driver.=C2=A0 I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, a=
nd on high mode it has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.=
=C2=A0 I also have the Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed wit=
h it.=C2=A0 I used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25&#39; tree about 8&quo=
t; in diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any struggling=
 and even had about 60% capacity when done.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:26=
 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net=
">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">Related topic.=C2=A0 I recently went through this=
 consideration (still don&#39;t have a new string trimmer or edger) and bec=
ame convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.=C2=A0 Based on reviews and v=
ideos - never touched one till I ordered it.<br>
<br>
I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a=
 charger.=C2=A0 It&#39;s fine, I guess, but unless you push the &quot;Turbo=
&quot; button it&#39;s not close to the power of my=C2=A0 50 year old Echo =
gas blower.=C2=A0 A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not =
any time in Turbo mode, and I&#39;m down to half battery.=C2=A0 If it was l=
eaf season I&#39;d be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.=C2=A0 And=
 I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that&#39;s ju=
st my disappointment kicking in.<br>
<br>
It was an Amazon purchase and it&#39;s going back.=C2=A0 Now I&#39;m not su=
re the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.=C2=A0 I still nee=
d a string trimmer and an edger.<br>
<br>
Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up=
 with 2-cycle engines for a while more.<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:03:56 -0500
To: Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
From: John Innis via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Yes the 12" 20v version.  I am using the 60/20 flex volt 12ah battery on
it.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:55 PM Randall via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> > I also have the Dewalt chain saw
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> I=E2=80=99m seeing several different ones; is that the 20v 12=E2=80=9D ba=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes the 12&quot; 20v version.=C2=A0 I am using the 60/20 f=
lex volt 12ah battery on it.=C2=A0 <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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all via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
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ding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_874186855403991796=
5WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; I also have the Dewalt chain saw=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
=E2=80=99m seeing several different ones; is that the 20v 12=E2=80=9D bar v=
ersion?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
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It's probably better to compare watt-hours rather than amp-hours since 
battery voltages vary.  The Ego 5ah @ 56V battery has 280 watt-hours of 
power.  The 12ah Dewalt Flexvolt battery (12ah in 20V mode, 4ah in 60V 
mode) has 240 watt-hours of power.  So the 5ah Ego battery is a little 
bigger.  Dewalt does offer a 7.5ah battery but it's in their 40V lineup 
(300 watt-hours) that's geared towards landscapers.  It's kind of a 
shame that Dewalt had to bifurcate their batteries like that.  They 
could have just made their landscaper-pro tools use the same 60V 
Flexvolt battery...

Ego also offers a 7.5ah battery but it's heavy and expensive (cheapest 
way to buy one is to buy a mower with the battery, keep the battery and 
sell the bare mower on Ebay).  They also has a 28ah backpack kind of 
like the Stihl and Husqvarna backpacks but it's aimed at landscapers 
(and priced as such).



On 8/20/19 6:38 PM, John Innis via Shop-talk wrote:
> I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the biggest battery they 
> have, I would not expect much out of them. The smallest battery I have 
> for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I only use that one on the drill and 
> impact driver.  I have a 12ah battery for my string trimmer, and on 
> high mode it has as much torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I 
> also have the Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with 
> it.  I used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in 
> diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any struggling 
> and even had about 60% capacity when done.
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's probably better to compare
      watt-hours rather than amp-hours since battery voltages vary.  The
      Ego 5ah @ 56V battery has 280 watt-hours of power.  The 12ah
      Dewalt Flexvolt battery (12ah in 20V mode, 4ah in 60V mode) has
      240 watt-hours of power.  So the 5ah Ego battery is a little
      bigger.  Dewalt does offer a 7.5ah battery but it's in their 40V
      lineup (300 watt-hours) that's geared towards landscapers.  It's
      kind of a shame that Dewalt had to bifurcate their batteries like
      that.  They could have just made their landscaper-pro tools use
      the same 60V Flexvolt battery...<br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ego also offers a 7.5ah battery but
      it's heavy and expensive (cheapest way to buy one is to buy a
      mower with the battery, keep the battery and sell the bare mower
      on Ebay).  They also has a 28ah backpack kind of like the Stihl
      and Husqvarna backpacks but it's aimed at landscapers (and priced
      as such).<br>
    </div>
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    </div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/19 6:38 PM, John Innis via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">I have not used the EGO stuff, but if 5ah is the
        biggest battery they have, I would not expect much out of them. 
        The smallest battery I have for my Dewalt stuff is 6ah, and I
        only use that one on the drill and impact driver.  I have a 12ah
        battery for my string trimmer, and on high mode it has as much
        torque as my straight shaft echo SRM-2100.  I also have the
        Dewalt chain saw, and I have been very impressed with it.  I
        used it to cut down, limb and buck a 25' tree about 8" in
        diameter. WIth the 12ah battery it did the job without any
        struggling and even had about 60% capacity when done.<br>
      </div>
      <br>
      -- <br>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
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Not living in California sometimes has it's advantages.  I can get
EtOH-free gas, and mix it with Sta-Bil.  I use that in all my lawn
equipment.  I buy it 7-8 gallons at a time, and store it for up to a
year.  Every spring, my Snapper mower starts right up without any
problem.  The two stroke stuff may need a whiff of ether, or maybe not
- can't really figure it out, but it's no problem.

As always, your mileage may /literally/ vary.


Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:38 AM Brian Kemp via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay gas, give the
> canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.  My blower, string trimmer, and chain
> saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain
> saw.  Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to keep
> fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.
>
> I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the
> dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.  I said that
> I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.
> Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as written
> and was flooding the engine.  No problems in the 6 years since and it
> gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.
>
> My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3
> years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to just
> toss it.  Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.  The
> semi-pro Echo is far superior.  Especially like the easy loading string
> in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stick it
> through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.  No more trying to
> wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of
> the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor
> products dealer.
>
> Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.  I have a corded electric
> Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.  It too always starts
> right up on Tru-Fuel.  When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 minutes.
> Could never expect a battery product to work for me.
>
> Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't
> consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since I
> stopped mixing with pump gas.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> > Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I ordered it.
> >
> > I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
> >
> > It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer and an edger.
> >
> > Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
> >
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Brian, you're right.  THANK YOU !!!  Tru-Fuel seems to be the real deal.  And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold for wine prices.

I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) for a couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest the tractor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP Kohler, about 1999.  I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.

I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK.  For sure better than pump gas (gasohol only here).  With pump gas every new batch of fuel requires carb adjustments.  And I had a can of starting fluid sitting around for decades, unused.  Now I seem to use starting fluid every month or two.

My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years.  Probably a fuel issue.  That was why I tried the EGO blower.  When the EGO wasn't up to the taks, I bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb and put it in.  Filled the tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and it runs.  That ancient Kioritz engine is still strong.  And it blows far stronger than that top-model EGO battery toy.

Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing to save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.  It works.  No more mixing for me.

I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.  Not sure if Echo is still what it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mulcher some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fuel less than 90 days old.  Where is that warning?  In a paragraph on page 17 of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking the muffler while the engine is running.  Who reads that?

My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo oil - and I bought a case from him along with the ES-230.  When the engine overheated I took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.  It ran less than 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the head gasket.  Then he refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.  Bottom line, I got a lemon from a lemon of a dealer.  I called Echo and they gave me a short block as long as I had (another) dealer install it.  And it's still running.  That huge landscaper supply dealer has a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel requirement.

I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that experiment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it.  I'm an engine guy.

Thanks to all !!!
Karl



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13@earthlink.net] 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay gas, give the 
canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.  My blower, string trimmer, and chain 
saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain 
saw.  Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to keep 
fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.

I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the 
dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.  I said that 
I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.  
Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as written 
and was flooding the engine.  No problems in the 6 years since and it 
gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.

My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3 
years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to just 
toss it.  Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.  The 
semi-pro Echo is far superior.  Especially like the easy loading string 
in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stick it 
through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.  No more trying to 
wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of 
the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor 
products dealer.

Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.  I have a corded electric 
Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.  It too always starts 
right up on Tru-Fuel.  When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 minutes.  
Could never expect a battery product to work for me.

Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't 
consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since I 
stopped mixing with pump gas.

Brian


On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I ordered it.
>
> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
>
> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string trimmer and an edger.
>
> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:11:15 -0700
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
From: old dirtbeard via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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It probably already has been covered, but I am very satisfied with my Stihl
corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.

I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locations to make it more convenient, but I
am battery-free now for yard work (blower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded
mower, but I still prefer the gas mower).

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Well, there is no 'aviation unleaded' fuel.  Airports that support
> General Aviation--aka 'small planes'--usually offer 100LL, for
> 100-octane 'Low Lead.'  'Low Lead' is relative; it has approximately
> one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard
> 110-octane avgas (I think it's 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for the
> 110; may be liters instead of gallons).  Put it in a clear container, it
> should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored,
> but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning
> light aircraft.
>
> Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP)
> engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical
> Service Bulletin ('TSB') approval from the FAA--which can cost a couple
> thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling
> procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I
> believe ethanol is considered a 'contaminant'--and the Reid Vapor
> Pressure ('RVP') must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports,
> precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it's
> too much trouble to support for  the small number of aircraft that can
> use it, and the liability is large.
>
> The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft
> fuel, but it's been a years-long process and we're still a couple/few
> years out, and it may never happen.  I'm a Commercial licensed pilot,
> but haven't flown in a few years but keep up on the industry.  I think
> Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.
>
> I've gone all pedantic on you because, if you're getting avgas from a
> pump on the field it's likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump
> island--but don't be fooled; it's loaded with lead and if you're
> breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health.  All the
> gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the
> 4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn't know
> that before I bought it).  I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid
> some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you're not doing an engine that
> can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines
> as well).
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 8/26/2019 7:20 AM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> > Brian, you're right.  THANK YOU !!!  Tru-Fuel seems to be the real
> deal.  And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold for wine prices.
> >
> > I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta-Bil
> for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) for a
> couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest the tractor doesn't
> care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP Kohler, about 1999.  I don't
> need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.
> >
> > I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical
> lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK.  For sure better
> than pump gas (gasohol only here).  With pump gas every new batch of fuel
> requires carb adjustments.  And I had a can of starting fluid sitting
> around for decades, unused.  Now I seem to use starting fluid every month
> or two.
> >
> > My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years.  Probably a fuel issue.  That
> was why I tried the EGO blower.  When the EGO wasn't up to the taks, I
> bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb and put it in.  Filled the
> tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and it runs.  That ancient Kioritz
> engine is still strong.  And it blows far stronger than that top-model EGO
> battery toy.
> >
> > Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing to
> save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.  It works.  No more mixing for me.
> >
> > I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.  Not sure if Echo is still what
> it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mulcher
> some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fuel
> less than 90 days old.  Where is that warning?  In a paragraph on page 17
> of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking the muffler
> while the engine is running.  Who reads that?
> >
> > My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo oil - and I
> bought a case from him along with the ES-230.  When the engine overheated I
> took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.  It ran less than
> 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the head gasket.  Then he
> refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.  Bottom line, I got a lemon from
> a lemon of a dealer.  I called Echo and they gave me a short block as long
> as I had (another) dealer install it.  And it's still running.  That huge
> landscaper supply dealer has a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel
> requirement.
> >
> > I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that
> experiment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it.  I'm an engine guy.
> >
> > Thanks to all !!!
> > Karl
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13@earthlink.net]
> > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
> >
> > Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay gas, give the
> > canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.  My blower, string trimmer, and chain
> > saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain
> > saw.  Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to keep
> > fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.
> >
> > I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the
> > dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.  I said that
> > I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.
> > Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as written
> > and was flooding the engine.  No problems in the 6 years since and it
> > gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.
> >
> > My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3
> > years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to just
> > toss it.  Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.  The
> > semi-pro Echo is far superior.  Especially like the easy loading string
> > in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stick it
> > through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.  No more trying to
> > wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of
> > the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor
> > products dealer.
> >
> > Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.  I have a corded electric
> > Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.  It too always starts
> > right up on Tru-Fuel.  When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 minutes.
> > Could never expect a battery product to work for me.
> >
> > Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't
> > consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since I
> > stopped mixing with pump gas.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> >> Related topic.  I recently went through this consideration (still don't
> have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff
> was the best.  Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I
> ordered it.
> >>
> >> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery
> and a charger.  It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button
> it's not close to the power of my  50 year old Echo gas blower.  A fast
> clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode,
> and I'm down to half battery.  If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2
> hour break every 45 minutes.  And I swear it slows down as the battery runs
> down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
> >>
> >> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.  Now I'm not sure the
> lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.  I still need a string
> trimmer and an edger.
> >>
> >> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to
> putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
> >>
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<div dir=3D"auto">It probably already has been covered, but I am very satis=
fied with my Stihl corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locati=
ons to make it more convenient, but I am battery-free now for yard work (bl=
ower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded mower, but I still prefer the gas mowe=
r).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, there is no &#39;aviation =
unleaded&#39; fuel.=C2=A0 Airports that support <br>
General Aviation--aka &#39;small planes&#39;--usually offer 100LL, for <br>
100-octane &#39;Low Lead.&#39;=C2=A0 &#39;Low Lead&#39; is relative; it has=
 approximately <br>
one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard <br>
110-octane avgas (I think it&#39;s 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for th=
e <br>
110; may be liters instead of gallons).=C2=A0 Put it in a clear container, =
it <br>
should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored, <br=
>
but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning <br=
>
light aircraft.<br>
<br>
Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP) <br>
engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical <b=
r>
Service Bulletin (&#39;TSB&#39;) approval from the FAA--which can cost a co=
uple <br>
thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling <br>
procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I <br>
believe ethanol is considered a &#39;contaminant&#39;--and the Reid Vapor <=
br>
Pressure (&#39;RVP&#39;) must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports, <=
br>
precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it&#39;s <=
br>
too much trouble to support for=C2=A0 the small number of aircraft that can=
 <br>
use it, and the liability is large.<br>
<br>
The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft <br>
fuel, but it&#39;s been a years-long process and we&#39;re still a couple/f=
ew <br>
years out, and it may never happen.=C2=A0 I&#39;m a Commercial licensed pil=
ot, <br>
but haven&#39;t flown in a few years but keep up on the industry.=C2=A0 I t=
hink <br>
Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve gone all pedantic on you because, if you&#39;re getting avgas from=
 a <br>
pump on the field it&#39;s likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump=
 <br>
island--but don&#39;t be fooled; it&#39;s loaded with lead and if you&#39;r=
e <br>
breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health.=C2=A0 All the <br>
gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the <br>
4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn&#39;t know <b=
r>
that before I bought it).=C2=A0 I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid <=
br>
some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you&#39;re not doing an engine that <=
br>
can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines <br>
as well).<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/26/2019 7:20 AM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt; Brian, you&#39;re right.=C2=A0 THANK YOU !!!=C2=A0 Tru-Fuel seems to b=
e the real deal.=C2=A0 And I&#39;ve been scoffing at canned gasoline sold f=
or wine prices.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta=
-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) =
for a couple of years.=C2=A0 Runs much better, though to be honest the trac=
tor doesn&#39;t care what gas is in it or how old.=C2=A0 17.5 HP Kohler, ab=
out 1999.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical=
 lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it&#39;s seemed mostly OK.=C2=A0 For s=
ure better than pump gas (gasohol only here).=C2=A0 With pump gas every new=
 batch of fuel requires carb adjustments.=C2=A0 And I had a can of starting=
 fluid sitting around for decades, unused.=C2=A0 Now I seem to use starting=
 fluid every month or two.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My (1970) Echo blower hadn&#39;t run in years.=C2=A0 Probably a fuel i=
ssue.=C2=A0 That was why I tried the EGO blower.=C2=A0 When the EGO wasn&#3=
9;t up to the taks, I bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo&#39;s carb an=
d put it in.=C2=A0 Filled the tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and =
it runs.=C2=A0 That ancient Kioritz engine is still strong.=C2=A0 And it bl=
ows far stronger than that top-model EGO battery toy.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there&#39;s nothing =
to save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0 No more mixi=
ng for me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.=C2=A0 Not sure if Echo is sti=
ll what it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mu=
lcher some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fu=
el less than 90 days old.=C2=A0 Where is that warning?=C2=A0 In a paragraph=
 on page 17 of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking t=
he muffler while the engine is running.=C2=A0 Who reads that?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My &quot;Pro&quot; Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo =
oil - and I bought a case from him along with the ES-230.=C2=A0 When the en=
gine overheated I took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.=
=C2=A0 It ran less than 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the he=
ad gasket.=C2=A0 Then he refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.=C2=A0 Bo=
ttom line, I got a lemon from a lemon of a dealer.=C2=A0 I called Echo and =
they gave me a short block as long as I had (another) dealer install it.=C2=
=A0 And it&#39;s still running.=C2=A0 That huge landscaper supply dealer ha=
s a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel requirement.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that experi=
ment will cost me, but it wasn&#39;t worth it.=C2=A0 I&#39;m an engine guy.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks to all !!!<br>
&gt; Karl<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Brian Kemp [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bk13@earthlink.net</a>]<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regarding your &quot;lower hassle factor&quot; comment, if you stay ga=
s, give the<br>
&gt; canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.=C2=A0 My blower, string trimmer, and =
chain<br>
&gt; saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain<=
br>
&gt; saw.=C2=A0 Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to=
 keep<br>
&gt; fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the<br=
>
&gt; dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.=C2=A0 I sa=
id that<br>
&gt; I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.=
<br>
&gt; Turns out I shouldn&#39;t have followed the starting directions as wri=
tten<br>
&gt; and was flooding the engine.=C2=A0 No problems in the 6 years since an=
d it<br>
&gt; gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3<b=
r>
&gt; years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to ju=
st<br>
&gt; toss it.=C2=A0 Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.=
=C2=A0 The<br>
&gt; semi-pro Echo is far superior.=C2=A0 Especially like the easy loading =
string<br>
&gt; in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20&#39; length of .095 line, stic=
k it<br>
&gt; through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.=C2=A0 No more tryin=
g to<br>
&gt; wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of<=
br>
&gt; the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor<br>
&gt; products dealer.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.=C2=A0 I have a corded el=
ectric<br>
&gt; Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.=C2=A0 It too always=
 starts<br>
&gt; right up on Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 When I use it, I&#39;m running it 30-45 mi=
nutes.<br>
&gt; Could never expect a battery product to work for me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don&#39;t<=
br>
&gt; consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since=
 I<br>
&gt; stopped mixing with pump gas.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Brian<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Related topic.=C2=A0 I recently went through this consideration (s=
till don&#39;t have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced tha=
t the EGO stuff was the best.=C2=A0 Based on reviews and videos - never tou=
ched one till I ordered it.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH batt=
ery and a charger.=C2=A0 It&#39;s fine, I guess, but unless you push the &q=
uot;Turbo&quot; button it&#39;s not close to the power of my=C2=A0 50 year =
old Echo gas blower.=C2=A0 A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger=
 but not any time in Turbo mode, and I&#39;m down to half battery.=C2=A0 If=
 it was leaf season I&#39;d be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.=
=C2=A0 And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe tha=
t&#39;s just my disappointment kicking in.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; It was an Amazon purchase and it&#39;s going back.=C2=A0 Now I&#39=
;m not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.=C2=A0 I =
still need a string trimmer and an edger.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to p=
utting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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> I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added
> Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow
> blower) for a couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest
> the tractor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP
> Kohler, about 1999.  I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.

It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most 
of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on 
this.

Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily 
leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the 
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet, 
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.

John.
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
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Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of
lead that standard automotive gas contained.  The guys who run this stuff
in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits on valve
stems and seats.  I have personally see a valve stem so leaded up that it
stuck open.  Use at your own risk.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Miller via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> > I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added
> > Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow
> > blower) for a couple of years.  Runs much better, though to be honest
> > the tractor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.  17.5 HP
> > Kohler, about 1999.  I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.
>
> It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most
> of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on
> this.
>
> Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily
> leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the
> Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet,
> sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.
>
> John.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x=
 the amount of lead that standard automotive gas contained.=C2=A0 The guys =
who run this stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead =
deposits on valve stems and seats.=C2=A0 I have personally see a valve stem=
 so leaded up that it stuck open.=C2=A0 Use at your own risk.<br></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Au=
g 26, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Miller via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop=
-talk@autox.team.net">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt; I&#39;ve brought aviatio=
n unleaded home from the airport and added<br>
&gt; Sta-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow<=
br>
&gt; blower) for a couple of years.=C2=A0 Runs much better, though to be ho=
nest<br>
&gt; the tractor doesn&#39;t care what gas is in it or how old.=C2=A0 17.5 =
HP<br>
&gt; Kohler, about 1999.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle st=
uff.<br>
<br>
It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.=C2=A0 Half the lead of mos=
t <br>
of the earlier grades, most everyone&#39;s pretty much still standardized o=
n <br>
this.<br>
<br>
Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily <b=
r>
leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.=C2=A0 The reason the <=
br>
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet, <br>
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.<br>
<br>
John.<br>
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The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.  In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to prove =
that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded car =
gas.  Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar project.  Both sell =
STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific fuel in applicable aircraft. =
 Basically a permit to allow the use of unleaded auto fuel a specific in =
aircraft under specified conditions.

=20

The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.  Here in the Peoples Republic of =
Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and there are =
only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a car or =
truck with ethanol-free car gas.

=20

For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.  It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just planes. =
 And airports can legally pump it into cans for small-engine use.

=20

I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.  Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.  Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, it=E2=80=99s a =
2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just fine.

=20

Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty much =
gone today.  That was good for mowers, etc. too.  As noted, 100 LL has =
4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be an issue in =
aircraft engines.  Some guys who have the auto fuel STC even run 75% =
auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.  When 80 octane went =
away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, many pilots =
experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were done.  =
Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place too.  But =
that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have appropriate valves =
and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.  Personally I=E2=80=99ve not =
had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which has stock WWII era valves =
and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to pull three cylinders over =
the years and disassemble the valves, with no lead fouling issues =
present.

=20

As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve not =
ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.  We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom uses =
100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 HP).  =
And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.  Maybe the purple =
stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as I know =
most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.

=20

One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.  That=E2=80=99s still an option.

=20

Thanks !!

Karl

=20

=20

=20

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

=20

Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of =
lead that standard automotive gas contained.  The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.  I have personally see a valve stem so leaded =
up that it stuck open.  Use at your own risk.

=20


It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most=20
of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on =

this.

Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =

leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the=20
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet,=20
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.

John

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A'>The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.=C2=A0 Here in the Peoples =
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A'>For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
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A'>I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.=C2=A0 Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.=C2=A0 Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, =
it=E2=80=99s a 2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'>Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty =
much gone today.=C2=A0 That was good for mowers, etc. too.=C2=A0 As =
noted, 100 LL has 4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be =
an issue in aircraft engines.=C2=A0 Some guys who have the auto fuel STC =
even run 75% auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.=C2=A0 =
When 80 octane went away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, =
many pilots experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were =
done.=C2=A0 Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place =
too.=C2=A0 But that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have =
appropriate valves and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.=C2=A0 =
Personally I=E2=80=99ve not had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which =
has stock WWII era valves and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to =
pull three cylinders over the years and disassemble the valves, with no =
lead fouling issues present.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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A'>As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve =
not ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.=C2=A0 We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom =
uses 100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 =
HP).=C2=A0 And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.=C2=A0 Maybe =
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A'>One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s still an =
option.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'>Thanks !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keep in =
mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of lead =
that standard automotive gas contained.&nbsp; The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.&nbsp; I have personally see a valve stem so =
leaded up that it stuck open.&nbsp; Use at your own =
risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:11.4pt'><br>It was probably blue, and it was probably =
100LL.&nbsp; Half the lead of most <br>of the earlier grades, most =
everyone's pretty much still standardized on <br>this.<br><br>Some =
places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =
<br>leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.&nbsp; The =
reason the <br>Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all =
that sweet, <br>sweet American leaded 130-octane =
gasoline.<br><br>John<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p =
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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I should add that yes, as Bob Spidell stated, there=E2=80=99s no actual =
thing as =E2=80=9Caviation unleaded=E2=80=9D but at least theoretically =
the fuel suppliers control RVP, etc to the ASTM specs required by the =
FAA-issued STC=E2=80=99s for aircraft use.  In fact, the refineries and =
distributors are supposed to maintain specific trucks only to deliver =
car gas for aircraft use to avoid any cross-contamination.  It carries =
no road tax (a huge part of car gas prices) but the cost of the separate =
refinery streams and distribution costs still price it well over a buck =
a gallon more than car gas at a nearby gas station.  Our airport sells =
mogas for $4.30 per gallon.  Costco had 93 octane for $3.30  the other =
day.

=20

In my limited experience our airport=E2=80=99s car gas has been very =
consistent.  But I don=E2=80=99t have an auto gas STC for my present =
plane because 100 LL works fine for me and there=E2=80=99s little price =
difference.  And I=E2=80=99m sure that 100 LL is pretty consistent =
across the country.  Not too sure what I=E2=80=99d get out of a mogas =
pump at some unfamiliar airport.

=20

As they say, YMMV

=20

=20

From: Karl Vacek [mailto:Stearman809@GMail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:22 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

=20

The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.  In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to prove =
that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded car =
gas.  Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar project.  Both sell =
STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific fuel in applicable aircraft. =
 Basically a permit to allow the use of unleaded auto fuel a specific in =
aircraft under specified conditions.

=20

The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.  Here in the Peoples Republic of =
Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and there are =
only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a car or =
truck with ethanol-free car gas.

=20

For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.  It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just planes. =
 And airports can legally pump it into cans for small-engine use.

=20

I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.  Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.  Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, it=E2=80=99s a =
2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just fine.

=20

Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty much =
gone today.  That was good for mowers, etc. too.  As noted, 100 LL has =
4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be an issue in =
aircraft engines.  Some guys who have the auto fuel STC even run 75% =
auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.  When 80 octane went =
away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, many pilots =
experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were done.  =
Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place too.  But =
that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have appropriate valves =
and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.  Personally I=E2=80=99ve not =
had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which has stock WWII era valves =
and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to pull three cylinders over =
the years and disassemble the valves, with no lead fouling issues =
present.

=20

As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve not =
ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.  We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom uses =
100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 HP).  =
And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.  Maybe the purple =
stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as I know =
most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.

=20

One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.  That=E2=80=99s still an option.

=20

Thanks !!

Karl

=20

=20

=20

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers

=20

Keep in mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of =
lead that standard automotive gas contained.  The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.  I have personally see a valve stem so leaded =
up that it stuck open.  Use at your own risk.

=20


It was probably blue, and it was probably 100LL.  Half the lead of most=20
of the earlier grades, most everyone's pretty much still standardized on =

this.

Some places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =

leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.  The reason the=20
Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all that sweet,=20
sweet American leaded 130-octane gasoline.

John

=20


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fact, the refineries and distributors are supposed to maintain specific =
trucks only to deliver car gas for aircraft use to avoid any =
cross-contamination.=C2=A0 It carries no road tax (a huge part of car =
gas prices) but the cost of the separate refinery streams and =
distribution costs still price it well over a buck a gallon more than =
car gas at a nearby gas station.=C2=A0 Our airport sells mogas for $4.30 =
per gallon.=C2=A0 Costco had 93 octane for $3.30=C2=A0 the other =
day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>In my limited experience our airport=E2=80=99s car gas has been very =
consistent.=C2=A0 But I don=E2=80=99t have an auto gas STC for my =
present plane because 100 LL works fine for me and there=E2=80=99s =
little price difference.=C2=A0 And I=E2=80=99m sure that 100 LL is =
pretty consistent across the country.=C2=A0 Not too sure what =
I=E2=80=99d get out of a mogas pump at some unfamiliar =
airport.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>As they say, YMMV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Karl Vacek [mailto:Stearman809@GMail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
August 26, 2019 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
shop-talk@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Shop-talk] Electric =
String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The gas I buy at the airport for my lawn equipment is indeed aviation =
unleaded.&nbsp; In the early 1980=E2=80=99s the EAA ran a project to =
prove that low-compression aircraft engines could safely run on unleaded =
car gas.&nbsp; Peterson Aviation in Nebraska did a similar =
project.&nbsp; Both sell STC=E2=80=99s to allow use of that specific =
fuel in applicable aircraft.&nbsp; Basically a permit to allow the use =
of unleaded auto fuel a specific in aircraft under specified =
conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The wide marketing of gasohol soon after the STC=E2=80=99s became =
available caused issues =E2=80=93 the FAA permission is ONLY for =
straight unleaded =E2=80=93 no alcohol.&nbsp; Here in the Peoples =
Republic of Illinois the corn lobby has us inundated with gasohol, and =
there are only a handful of places in the state where you can fill up a =
car or truck with ethanol-free car gas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>For use in those planes so certificated, many airports now carry =
=E2=80=9Caviation mogas=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 regular unleaded without =
alcohol.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s not to be sold for on-road vehicles, just =
planes.&nbsp; And airports can legally pump it into cans for =
small-engine use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I have plenty of the blue stuff (100 LL) in the Stearman, but =
haven=E2=80=99t ever put it in any lawn equipment.&nbsp; Almost the same =
price, so that=E2=80=99s not the issue, but my lawn equipment just =
doesn=E2=80=99t need lead.&nbsp; Even my 3-wheel Harley (well, =
it=E2=80=99s a 2-cycle Harley Davidson golf cart) uses unleaded just =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Used to be better to use 80 octane (red) but that=E2=80=99s pretty =
much gone today.&nbsp; That was good for mowers, etc. too.&nbsp; As =
noted, 100 LL has 4x the lead of old 80 octane, so lead fouling can be =
an issue in aircraft engines.&nbsp; Some guys who have the auto fuel STC =
even run 75% auto gas and 25% 100 LL to simulate old 80 octane.&nbsp; =
When 80 octane went away and 80 octane engines that to switch to 100 LL, =
many pilots experienced lead-fouling issues, and many top overhauls were =
done.&nbsp; Sometimes guys lapped the guides with the cylinder in place =
too.&nbsp; But that=E2=80=99s largely over now, as most engines have =
appropriate valves and guides to allow regular use of 100 LL.&nbsp; =
Personally I=E2=80=99ve not had an issue with 100 LL in my engine, which =
has stock WWII era valves and guides, and I have indeed had occasion to =
pull three cylinders over the years and disassemble the valves, with no =
lead fouling issues present.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>As far as purple gas being available at Warbird events, I=E2=80=99ve =
not ever seen it, but my Stearman is at the lower end of the Warbird =
spectrum.&nbsp; We do have a Grumman TBM Avenger on the field, and Tom =
uses 100 LL in that =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s got a Wright 2600-20 (1900 =
HP).&nbsp; And P-51=E2=80=99s regularly fill up with 100 LL.&nbsp; Maybe =
the purple stuff is available sometimes, but not commonly, and as far as =
I know most Warbird engines run fine on 100 LL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>One of the things that allowed higher boost pressures during WWII was =
water injection.&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s still an =
option.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Thanks !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Keep in =
mind that Low Lead Avgas, like 100LL, still has 4x the amount of lead =
that standard automotive gas contained.&nbsp; The guys who run this =
stuff in race cars and the like often report issues with lead deposits =
on valve stems and seats.&nbsp; I have personally see a valve stem so =
leaded up that it stuck open.&nbsp; Use at your own =
risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:11.4pt'><br>It was probably blue, and it was probably =
100LL.&nbsp; Half the lead of most <br>of the earlier grades, most =
everyone's pretty much still standardized on <br>this.<br><br>Some =
places and applications (warbird events?) you may find more heavily =
<br>leaded super-sauce for your high-boost blown motors.&nbsp; The =
reason the <br>Merlin went from 800HP to 1700+HP in production was all =
that sweet, <br>sweet American leaded 130-octane =
gasoline.<br><br>John<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p =
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My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.

Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)

The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.

Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)

I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.

*BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!

Thanks.


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Since you want the protection the factory recommends as a minimum, I'd use
full synthetic. 

"Synthetic Blend" is a nebulous term for an undefined proportion of
conventional motor oil and synthetic motor oil.  Various brands use various
mixes, but all that I've ever been able to find out in terms of proportions
is that it's usually only a small proportion of synthetic oil in most,
probably not exceeding 20%.  Years ago I used Valvoline Synthetic blend, but
it was expensive.  Once I learned that their blend was no more than 20%
synthetic, I began to use 2 quarts synthetic to 3 quarts conventional at
every oil change.  It was cheaper than buying the blend, and I got twice as
much synthetic in the mix.

Since then synthetic oil prices have dropped significantly and conventional
oil prices have risen.  I've run nothing but Mobil One in all of my street
cars for years with no downside other than a little extra cost.

Karl


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Subject: [Shop-talk] Synth and conventional oil question (Time sensitive
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My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to
get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.

Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I
don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and
it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally
I do my own.)

The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full
conventional oil.

Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek
another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know
if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's
cooling off now.)

I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.

*BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this
weekend? I'm buying!

Thanks.


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Emerson 
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Ford almost always uses their 5W-20 syn blend:

*https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj*

My '08 Mustang GT used it and my '19 GT do to, inc. free dealership oil 
changes 'for life.'  For a long trek, I'd use the syn.

Bob

On 8/30/2019 5:17 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.
>
> Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)
>
> The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.
>
> Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)
>
> I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.
>
> *BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
>
>


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    Ford almost always uses their 5W-20 syn blend:<br>
    <br>
    <b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj">https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj</a></b><br>
    <br>
    My '08 Mustang GT used it and my '19 GT do to, inc. free dealership
    oil changes 'for life.'  For a long trek, I'd use the syn.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2019 5:17 PM, eric--- via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:OF0A7E51A9.04536A0E-ON85258467.00007480-85258467.00019FEC@mail.megageek.com">
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.

Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)

The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.

Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)

I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.

*BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!

Thanks.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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-Who is John Galt?


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Oh, forgot to mention, full syn /might/ leak a little more than dino or 
semi-syn, so you might want to check it occasionally and carry a quart 
of whatever the oil change place put in.
Bob

On 8/30/2019 9:09 PM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
> Ford almost always uses their 5W-20 syn blend:
>
> *https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj*
>
> My '08 Mustang GT used it and my '19 GT do to, inc. free dealership 
> oil changes 'for life.'  For a long trek, I'd use the syn.
>
> Bob
>
> On 8/30/2019 5:17 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>> My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.
>>
>> Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)
>>
>> The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.
>>
>> Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)
>>
>> I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.
>>
>> *BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
>> Tech Viper
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>>
>>
>


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    Oh, forgot to mention, full syn <i>might</i> leak a little more
    than dino or semi-syn, so you might want to check it occasionally
    and carry a quart of whatever the oil change place put in.<br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2019 9:09 PM, Bob Spidell via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:d3747c10-2b94-ae95-0d9d-66090677e03a@comcast.net">
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      Ford almost always uses their 5W-20 syn blend:<br>
      <br>
      <b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj</a></b><br>
      <br>
      My '08 Mustang GT used it and my '19 GT do to, inc. free
      dealership oil changes 'for life.'  For a long trek, I'd use the
      syn.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2019 5:17 PM, eric--- via
        Shop-talk wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:OF0A7E51A9.04536A0E-ON85258467.00007480-85258467.00019FEC@mail.megageek.com">
        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.

Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)

The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.

Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)

I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.

*BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!

Thanks.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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-Who is John Galt?


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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Synth and conventional oil question (Time sensitive
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re: '"Synthetic Blend" is a nebulous term for an undefined proportion of 
conventional motor oil and synthetic motor oil"

Not only that, but some 'pure synthetics' are really just highly-refined 
dino oil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil


On 8/30/2019 5:59 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> Since you want the protection the factory recommends as a minimum, I'd use
> full synthetic.
>
> "Synthetic Blend" is a nebulous term for an undefined proportion of
> conventional motor oil and synthetic motor oil.  Various brands use various
> mixes, but all that I've ever been able to find out in terms of proportions
> is that it's usually only a small proportion of synthetic oil in most,
> probably not exceeding 20%.  Years ago I used Valvoline Synthetic blend, but
> it was expensive.  Once I learned that their blend was no more than 20%
> synthetic, I began to use 2 quarts synthetic to 3 quarts conventional at
> every oil change.  It was cheaper than buying the blend, and I got twice as
> much synthetic in the mix.
>
> Since then synthetic oil prices have dropped significantly and conventional
> oil prices have risen.  I've run nothing but Mobil One in all of my street
> cars for years with no downside other than a little extra cost.
>
> Karl
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Synth and conventional oil question (Time sensitive
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 09:25:02PM -0700, Shop Talk List wrote:
> Oh, forgot to mention, full syn /might/ leak a little more than dino or
> semi-syn, so you might want to check it occasionally and carry a quart of
> whatever the oil change place put in.
> Bob
> 
Might be hard to do. Most of the oil change places use oil from 55 Gal. drums, and
probably do not have quarts.

> On 8/30/2019 9:09 PM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
> > Ford almost always uses their 5W-20 syn blend:
> > 
> > *https://tinyurl.com/yyyjo6vj*
> > 
> > My '08 Mustang GT used it and my '19 GT do to, inc. free dealership oil
> > changes 'for life.'?? For a long trek, I'd use the syn.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > On 8/30/2019 5:17 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> > > My 2015 Explorer and me are in Phoenix, AZ* for a another month. I wanted to get an oil change prior to returning to NJ.
> > > 
> > > Here is the problem. Ford states that it uses a 'synthetic blend' oil. I don't know what the dealer used last, as all my records are still in NJ and it was under a free dealership oil change when I did the last one. (Normally I do my own.)
> > > 
> > > The place I can get the oil changed at does either full synthetic or full conventional oil.
> > > 
> > > Since I'll be putting another 500 miles on the truck out here, before I trek another 3000 miles across the country, what oil should I use? I don't know if it even makes a difference. But there is extreme heat out here (but it's cooling off now.)
> > > 
> > > I'm having the shop do this Sunday so I need to make a decision soon.
> > > 
> > > *BTW, any Phoenix shop-talkers want to get together for a beer/coffee this weekend? I'm buying!
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> > > Tech Viper
> > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > -Who is John Galt?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

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