Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plumbing fun

From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:47:44 -0400

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Looks more like something my kids would do, stuffing peanut butter and
chocolate pieces in there - though, honestly, they'd eat that and stuff
play-dough in there instead.

I hear PEX is awesome, and you can run it like network cable. Fortunately,
I haven't had to replumb my house yet. I hope the "city conditioner" I put
in several years ago helps to keep the aquatic plaque away.

-Peter

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:49 PM Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <
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> So I replaced the old, leaking valve and union with new bits. This is
> the feed to the outside front hose faucet.  Managed to wiggle it all
> just right to get it to fit and tighten up properly.  Turn on the valve
> and start getting wet.  The new parts aren't leaking, it is the old
> joint at the union at the wall, that skanky looking bit with the dark
> discoloration.  Guess the wiggling around disturbed it to the point of
> failing.
>
> I'm thinking of replacing the pipes between the new valve and the
> leaking union with a short of piece of flexible hose, like maybe a
> washing machine fill hose, or something similar.  Of course, access is
> going to be a pain, will need to dig out the saw and start whacking away
> more old sheetrock first.
>
> What fun.
>
> Of course, the REAL fix is to replumb the entire house, I'm sure a LOT
> of the pipe look like the inside of the old valve I removed.
>
> mjb.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Looks more like something my kids would do, stuffing peanu=
t butter and chocolate pieces in there - though, honestly, they&#39;d eat t=
hat and stuff play-dough in there instead.<div><br></div><div>I hear PEX is=
 awesome, and you can run it like network cable. Fortunately, I haven&#39;t=
 had to replumb my house yet. I hope the &quot;city conditioner&quot; I put=
 in several years ago helps to keep the aquatic plaque away.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:49 PM Mark J Bradakis via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;bord=
er-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So I replaced the old, lea=
king valve and union with new bits. This is <br>
the feed to the outside front hose faucet.=C2=A0 Managed to wiggle it all <=
br>
just right to get it to fit and tighten up properly.=C2=A0 Turn on the valv=
e <br>
and start getting wet.=C2=A0 The new parts aren&#39;t leaking, it is the ol=
d <br>
joint at the union at the wall, that skanky looking bit with the dark <br>
discoloration.=C2=A0 Guess the wiggling around disturbed it to the point of=
 <br>
failing.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m thinking of replacing the pipes between the new valve and the <br>
leaking union with a short of piece of flexible hose, like maybe a <br>
washing machine fill hose, or something similar.=C2=A0 Of course, access is=
 <br>
going to be a pain, will need to dig out the saw and start whacking away <b=
r>
more old sheetrock first.<br>
<br>
What fun.<br>
<br>
Of course, the REAL fix is to replumb the entire house, I&#39;m sure a LOT =
<br>
of the pipe look like the inside of the old valve I removed.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:01:35 -0600

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So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, got the old 
pipes out without too much trouble.  I sprayed a few of the joints with 
WD40 a few times, maybe that helped, maybe it didn't.

So now the question is can I get the sealing face that rusty old union 
cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I going to have to replace 
it too, which might mean tearing into the wall in the next room.  Or 
maybe not.

And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to buy a 
roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix this 
problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At the moment 
when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at a rate of 
about a gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being clogged, or the 
valve, or the pipes feeding it?  Fun fun fun!

mjb.

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From: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 21:15:09 -0400

There are screens at the inlets where the hoses connect to the back 
of my washing machine.  When I have this problem, I always find a 
bunch of sediment and debris clogging up the screens.  It is easy to 
check and easy to fix.  Invest ten minutes in checking that before 
you start a major project. These are what I'm talking 
about: 
www.amazon.com/Danco-80070-Washers-Screen-Black/dp/B000KKULR2/ref=sr_1_11

-Steve

At 09:01 PM 7/30/2019, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk wrote:

>And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to 
>buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix 
>this problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At 
>the moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at 
>a rate of about a gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being 
>clogged, or the valve, or the pipes feeding it?  Fun fun fun!
>
>mjb.

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From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 21:35:47 -0400

The union in the photograph doesn’t look terrible to me.  I’ve certainly successfully worked with worse.  If only to buy you some time, it can’t hurt to wrap a couple of extra turns of teflon tape around the new fitting - or goober it up with pipe dope - and see if it works.

That isn’t to say that a re-plumb isn’t in your future. The clogged pipe looks pretty scary.  I haven’t worked much with PEX, but have watched plumbers using it and am pretty impressed.  None of the pros seem to use crimpers for their connections, and they tell me they don’t trust crimped connections.  They use something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2432-22-12-Volt-Propex-Expansion/dp/B0048EJX7U/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20YNES0KKJ2KB&keywords=milwaukee+pex+expander+tool&qid=1564536668&s=hi&sprefix=Milwaukee+pex%2Ctools%2C127&sr=1-1.  There are manual versions of this for sale, but I am sure this is the way to go if you are doing a fair amount of work. 

I have also been told by professionals that Shark Bite fittings are really good.  They are expensive if you are doing a lot of work, but a good way connecting PEX to other forms of pipe.

Jim

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, got the old pipes out without too much trouble.  I sprayed a few of the joints with WD40 a few times, maybe that helped, maybe it didn't.
> 
> 
> So now the question is can I get the sealing face that rusty old union cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I going to have to replace it too, which might mean tearing into the wall in the next room.  Or maybe not.
> 
> And then, this project has got me thinking.  It might be my cue to buy a roll of PEX, a cutter and a crimper and start using it to fix this problem and the next one on my list, the washing machine.  At the moment when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at a rate of about a gallon a day.  Is it just the fill hose being clogged, or the valve, or the pipes feeding it?  Fun fun fun!
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:35:01 +0000 (UTC)

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 Your a car guy, put some gasket sealer on the union and tighten it up!
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Dave=20

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From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2019 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plumbing fun

So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, got the old=20
pipes out without too much trouble.=C2=A0 I sprayed a few of the joints wit=
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cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I going to have to replace=20
it too, which might mean tearing into the wall in the next room.=C2=A0 Or=
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maybe not.

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valve, or the pipes feeding it?=C2=A0 Fun fun fun!

mjb.

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Your a car guy, put some gasket sealer on the union =
and tighten it up!</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2019 8:03 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plumbing fun<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">So I cut out enough sheetrock to get some wrenching room, =
got the old <br clear=3D"none">pipes out without too much trouble.&nbsp; I =
sprayed a few of the joints with <br clear=3D"none">WD40 a few times, maybe=
 that helped, maybe it didn't.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none">So now the question is can I get the sealing face that rusty ol=
d union <br clear=3D"none">cleaned up enough to get a good seal, or am I go=
ing to have to replace <br clear=3D"none">it too, which might mean tearing =
into the wall in the next room.&nbsp; Or <br clear=3D"none">maybe not.<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">And then, this project has got me thinking=
.&nbsp; It might be my cue to buy a <br clear=3D"none">roll of PEX, a cutte=
r and a crimper and start using it to fix this <br clear=3D"none">problem a=
nd the next one on my list, the washing machine.&nbsp; At the moment <br cl=
ear=3D"none">when you select a hot water wash, the machine fills up at a ra=
te of <br clear=3D"none">about a gallon a day.&nbsp; Is it just the fill ho=
se being clogged, or the <br clear=3D"none">valve, or the pipes feeding it?=
&nbsp; Fun fun fun!
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