Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] misshapen hex nuts

From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:17:57 -0400

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Maybe they're a cheap form of Jet Nut?

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 1:12 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <
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> My son and I just replaced struts on his 2002 Toyota Avalon.  With
> the new parts we received the nuts you can see in the attached
> picture.  The hex shape is not normal.  It is as though it was
> crushed side to side.  The distance from point to opposite point is
> significantly greater for one pair of points.  No socket I have will
> fit on these.  A 15 mm socket is the closest, which is not a very
> common choice.  I was set to write this all off as crappy Chinese
> parts, but I found the same nuts with both the strut and the sway bar
> link.  They are different brands and were purchased separately. Maybe
> both buy their nuts from the same crappy nut supplier.  Anyway, I
> just thought I would check if I am missing something.  Is there some
> kind of locking nut that is intentionally made this way?
>
> -Steve T.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Maybe they&#39;re a cheap form of Jet Nut?=C2=A0</div><br>=
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y 31, 2019 at 1:12 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sh=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My son and I just replaced =
struts on his 2002 Toyota Avalon.=C2=A0 With <br>
the new parts we received the nuts you can see in the attached <br>
picture.=C2=A0 The hex shape is not normal.=C2=A0 It is as though it was <b=
r>
crushed side to side.=C2=A0 The distance from point to opposite point is <b=
r>
significantly greater for one pair of points.=C2=A0 No socket I have will <=
br>
fit on these.=C2=A0 A 15 mm socket is the closest, which is not a very <br>
common choice.=C2=A0 I was set to write this all off as crappy Chinese <br>
parts, but I found the same nuts with both the strut and the sway bar <br>
link.=C2=A0 They are different brands and were purchased separately. Maybe =
<br>
both buy their nuts from the same crappy nut supplier.=C2=A0 Anyway, I <br>
just thought I would check if I am missing something.=C2=A0 Is there some <=
br>
kind of locking nut that is intentionally made this way?<br>
<br>
-Steve T.<br>
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From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:18:59 -0500

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This looks like a shortcut on the part of the mfgr.  I have seen nuts where
the threaded hole is bolonged a bit to create tension to assist with self
locking, but all of those I have seen has a perfect hex.

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This looks like a shortcut on the part of the mfgr.=C2=A0 =
I have seen nuts where the threaded hole is bolonged a bit to create tensio=
n to assist with self locking, but all of those I have seen has a perfect h=
ex.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM Steven Trovato via Shop-talk &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My son an=
d I just replaced struts on his 2002 Toyota Avalon.=C2=A0 With <br>
the new parts we received the nuts you can see in the attached <br>
picture.=C2=A0 The hex shape is not normal.=C2=A0 It is as though it was <b=
r>
crushed side to side.=C2=A0 The distance from point to opposite point is <b=
r>
significantly greater for one pair of points.=C2=A0 No socket I have will <=
br>
fit on these.=C2=A0 A 15 mm socket is the closest, which is not a very <br>
common choice.=C2=A0 I was set to write this all off as crappy Chinese <br>
parts, but I found the same nuts with both the strut and the sway bar <br>
link.=C2=A0 They are different brands and were purchased separately. Maybe =
<br>
both buy their nuts from the same crappy nut supplier.=C2=A0 Anyway, I <br>
just thought I would check if I am missing something.=C2=A0 Is there some <=
br>
kind of locking nut that is intentionally made this way?<br>
<br>
-Steve T.<br>
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From: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:12:00 -0400

Maybe.  The nuts on the car from Toyota were nothing like 
this.  These were the replacements that came with the new parts.  The 
job is already done, we used different nuts.  I was just wondering 
for future reference. I have a collection of tricks for removing odd 
nuts, including that pin socket in the Amazon link.  I don't usually 
resort to such things when installing new parts. If this is 
intentional, I wonder how they expect them to be installed?  It might 
be possible to use an open end wrench if you only use the closer pair 
of flats, but that is kind of ridiculous.

-Steve T.

At 01:28 PM 5/31/2019, Randall wrote:
>I've seen those as well.  IMO the distortion is deliberate, a cheap form of
>Stover nut.  OEMs are always looking for ways to save another $.001 per car,
>so they might well be to Toyota specs.
>
>My solution is to just toss them, and use something else (with Loctite).
>
>But you might try using a "flank drive" socket on them.  They're usually a
>lot more tolerant of odd shapes and such.
>
>Another possibility:
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073PRY9W6?tag=b0c55-20
>
>-- Randall

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From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:30:23 -0700

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Looks clever.  How well does it work?  Can it take a lot of torque?

Mike

> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073PRY9W6?tag=b0c55-20

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    <p><font face="Tahoma">Looks clever.  How well does it work?  Can it
        take a lot of torque?</font></p>
    <p><font face="Tahoma">Mike</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/31/2019 12:12 PM, Steven Trovato
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