Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adding to a 4-way switch circuit.

From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 18:19:59 -0500

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It isn=E2=80=99t difficult as long as you can access one of the wires betwee=
n switches & the power to the lights. You will need a relay with a coil rate=
d at the light voltage. I assume that it is 120v. You also don=E2=80=99t wan=
t to turn the lights off if they already on! Do you want to allow the light t=
imer in the GDO to turn off the lights or do you want to be able to turn the=
m off manually without waiting for the delay?

I can draw up a drawing for you.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
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On May 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:

I have 4- 8=E2=80=99 fluorescent fixtures in my garage that are controlled f=
rom three different doors.  I=E2=80=99d like to be able to do some circuit c=
hanges
so when I actuate the garage door opener it would also turn on these lights i=
nstead of the puny light in the unit.  It seems something might
be able to work using the light circuit in the opener but my head won=E2=80=99=
t wrap around a 4-way circuit and the relay/switch/hicky-thing in the opener=
 !
=20
any suggestions
=20
thanks
john
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">It isn=E2=80=99t difficult as long as you c=
an access one of the wires between switches &amp; the power to the lights. Y=
ou will need a relay with a coil rated at the light voltage. I assume that i=
t is 120v. You also don=E2=80=99t want to turn the lights off if they alread=
y on! Do you want to allow the light timer in the GDO to turn off the lights=
 or do you want to be able to turn them off manually without waiting for the=
 delay?<div><br></div><div>I can draw up a drawing for you.&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" di=
r=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br>=
</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, john niolon v=
ia Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">

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<div>I have 4- 8=E2=80=99 fluorescent fixtures in my garage that are control=
led from=20
three different doors.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99d like to be able to do some circuit=20=

changes</div>
<div>so when I actuate the garage door opener it would also turn on these li=
ghts=20
instead of the puny light in the unit.&nbsp; It seems something might</div>
<div>be able to work using the light circuit in the opener but my head won=E2=
=80=99t=20
wrap around a 4-way circuit and the relay/switch/hicky-thing in the opener=20=

!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>any suggestions</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>thanks</div>
<div>john</div></div></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 19:52:27 -0400

Wire it as four 4-way switches, with a DPDT relay switched by the
light output of the garage door operator.  Look about halfway down
this page:  https://www.do-it-yourself-help.com/4-way-switch-wiring-diagrams.html
 Of course, that will switch the lights off if they are on when you
open the door, and switch them off after the opener times out.  You
might be able to add a latching relay to hold them in position until
you use one of the wall switches...but that might not yet be complex
enough.

You might be better off adding a couple of general light fixtures
controlled by the opener.  Then they provide light if there is none,
or add to the light if they are already on.

Or use an Arduino mini or similar to look for switch inputs from each
switch plus the operator, and drive a relay to turn the lights on or
off.  Low-voltage wiring for the switches, so easy...  Then you can
program the lights to do any number of combinations...

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:11 PM john niolon via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I have 4- 8’ fluorescent fixtures in my garage that are controlled from three different doors.  I’d like to be able to do some circuit changes
> so when I actuate the garage door opener it would also turn on these lights instead of the puny light in the unit.  It seems something might
> be able to work using the light circuit in the opener but my head won’t wrap around a 4-way circuit and the relay/switch/hicky-thing in the opener !
>
> any suggestions
>
> thanks
> john
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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 18:32:59 -0700

You probably don't want the opener to, in effect, act like another 4-way
switch, since that would turn the lights off if they were already on.  So
instead, I suggest wiring the opener output so it will power the set of
lights directly, skipping all of the 4-way switch stuff.  Should be simpler
anyway.  Mine has a relay output for that exact purpose, but I don't know if
they all do.  If not, pick up a SPST relay with a 110vac coil, and power it
from the light in the opener.

If you do want it to act like another 4-way switch, then you'll need a DPDT
relay, wired like a DC reversing switch.

-- Randall 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On 
> Behalf Of john niolon via Shop-talk
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 8:58 AM
> To: shop-talk
> Subject: [Shop-talk] adding to a 4-way switch circuit.
> 
> I have 4- 8' fluorescent fixtures in my garage that are 
> controlled from three different doors.  I'd like to be able 
> to do some circuit changes so when I actuate the garage door 
> opener it would also turn on these lights instead of the puny 
> light in the unit.  It seems something might be able to work 
> using the light circuit in the opener but my head won't wrap 
> around a 4-way circuit and the relay/switch/hicky-thing in 
> the opener !
>  
> any suggestions
>  
> thanks
> john
> 

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From: Lee Daniels via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 23:10:36 -0500

Jeff Scarbrough wrote:

> controlled by the opener.

This is exactly what I did. Just used a couple of old-school ceramic bases and
loaded them 150W-equivalent CFL's, powered from the original wires going to
the garage-door-opener bulb socket. (Probably not to code here in Texas in
2019.)

I do have 12 T-8 fixtures loaded with "daylight" bulbs to light up the
garage/shop at other times. I didn't see a need to fire these up when I drive
in.
 Lee

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From: john niolon via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 08:04:39 -0500

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thanks for all the replies and way more information than I could =
process.  The suggestion I liked the best was to just add a couple more =
fixtures and wire them directly to the lamp output circuit in the =
opener.  I don=E2=80=99t want to learn a new type of electronics  and I =
don=E2=80=99t have easy access to the existing wiring (floor above the =
ceiling... and I=E2=80=99m 71 years old.)  You guys always come up with =
a way to do anything=20
!!!

thanks

john

From: Pat Horne=20
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 6:19 PM
To: john niolon=20
Cc: Shop Talk List=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] adding to a 4-way switch circuit.

It isn=E2=80=99t difficult as long as you can access one of the wires =
between switches & the power to the lights. You will need a relay with a =
coil rated at the light voltage. I assume that it is 120v. You also =
don=E2=80=99t want to turn the lights off if they already on! Do you =
want to allow the light timer in the GDO to turn off the lights or do =
you want to be able to turn them off manually without waiting for the =
delay?=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne =20

On May 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk =

I have 4- 8=E2=80=99 fluorescent fixtures in my garage that are =
controlled from three different doors.  I=E2=80=99d like to be able to =
do some circuit changes
so when I actuate the garage door opener it would also turn on these =
lights instead of the puny light in the unit.  It seems something might
be able to work using the light circuit in the opener but my head =
won=E2=80=99t wrap around a 4-way circuit and the =
relay/switch/hicky-thing in the opener !

any suggestions

thanks
john

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I don=E2=80=99t want to learn a new type of electronics&nbsp; and I =
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I=E2=80=99m 71 years=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>john</DIV>
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three different doors.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99d like to be able to do some =
circuit=20
changes</DIV>
<DIV>so when I actuate the garage door opener it would also turn on =
these lights=20
instead of the puny light in the unit.&nbsp; It seems something =
might</DIV>
<DIV>be able to work using the light circuit in the opener but my head =
won=E2=80=99t=20
wrap around a 4-way circuit and the relay/switch/hicky-thing in the =
opener=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>any suggestions</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>thanks</DIV>
<DIV>john</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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