From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 23:18:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D625896B2 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 23:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D924B2588E6F for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C828D4119FCC for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:30:34 -0600 (MDT) To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:30:34 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Team.Net service interruptions From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net RXhwZWN0IHRoZSBlbWFpbCBsaXN0cyBhbmQgd2ViIHBhZ2VzIHRvIGJlIHVuYXZhaWxhYmxlIGF0 IHZhcmlvdXMgdGltZXMgCm92ZXIgdGhlIG5leHQgZmV3IGRheXMuCgpJJ20gZ29pbmcgdG8gbWFr ZSBhIHB1c2ggdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGUgbmV3IHNlcnZlciBvbiB0aGUgYWlyIGJlZm9yZSAKVGVhbS5O ZXQncyAiYmlydGhkYXkiIG9uIEFwcmlsIDExdGguwqAgTWFraW5nIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2ggd2lsbCBy ZXF1aXJlcyAKc29tZSBob3VycyBvZiBkb3dudGltZSBhbG9uZyB0aGUgd2F5LgoKbWpiLgoKX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KClNob3AtdGFsa0Bh dXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3Vn Z2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjk2CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5u ZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL3Nob3AtdGFsawoKVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUvTWFuYWdlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gu dGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL3Nob3AtdGFsay9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAoK From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 20:19:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B5125896D8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (mail-qt1-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3FC2585A60 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 18:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id x12so5491173qts.7 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:18:40 -0700 (PDT) h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=HCR7haZKnzQbWop20aG1mrE/cGArsmKAJW1PP/ocBW8=; b=KCF7nz/nW2bYaRIDD01OOmVgHt5b4b0zpWC1cntGY5YDN+Vzs8eIox8lbUG2XCPY/u 4TpMBs9MnOISVYjaZm1bjd5ZsvLz4rUAuc0gzrU5ACNNC+jER1JtUnbFvar7OhxhI7wU M3ejQJEOh4XcVAHaDKNJ2uzgZ73/+i0dO68UlaY4s6yEJDaeFxdmn54sE+YWoWEL70bv uKFpdUZfmNio2Oob8juHW/r78PcLoLyWcdyQwJ0t2djFeYyF2Tj34iNOOczINyHR4+La DY5nDHsM/ad9htv0x1ug0xNLU8sbi1snJ1NBwBuY2OJL292AN3yLkZ3U8qyf3y0LUdWq lxzw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=HCR7haZKnzQbWop20aG1mrE/cGArsmKAJW1PP/ocBW8=; b=YjrdxSooW2u2/IIg5x3wx13hVPiz6Z15Y31rzUrwFH/FTmkycmF9pakg06FbPo+OTx 6dG+2PRE+QdmorCqZssn7O9wy9OdjgAbnRL6G+zzp/2CROiEnbXcY7hXicbe6QU8Qar4 tVV9hdXvAMrpQRs5X/XVeaHQpzfJtZ9J8M5Pdk6ir1Zh1Uu/yvaHsalbrcv54qWD0ltR B+1amBPmM4Cn/VR89qh2R8SrulUb3Gfq8AIrTi3IaQrZlpTI/Gv958zE7QZjxzSyuKNn PB04AqBjLx0PBZTHaL5c+1tCBfoUGP2ZkeAuk6YOKXJau1yqPq2ztzbb+Tq/ErhiX9ZP b+Ig== 8pbFAsi0QH3v7ue14qcgabo= Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-pro.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10sm15455612qta.86.2019.04.04.17.18.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:18:29 -0400 References: To: john niolon , Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7805037036443369909== boundary="Apple-Mail=_42FBCFC9-419D-489A-86FC-487B2AA4B0C1" --Apple-Mail=_42FBCFC9-419D-489A-86FC-487B2AA4B0C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I know this discussion has run out of steam, but the Washington Post = just published a relevant article with reviews of multiple free and pay = apps to block robo and spam calls and, in some cases, get even a bit. = All but one seem to be limited to mobile phones, but I still thought = this was worth passing on. = https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/04/die-robocalls-die-how= -to-guide-stop-spammers-exact-revenge/?utm_term=3D.e534d4b0e2e2&wpisrc=3Dn= l_evening&wpmm=3D1 I am more than happy to share a pdf of this article with anyone who has = trouble opening up the link due to WaPo=E2=80=99s paywall. Jim > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home = phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a = limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an = associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell = him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a = week and sometimes twice a day. Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america. After three failed attempts and a call back I finally = spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their = number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they = could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls > =20 > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t= seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet... come on = phone/tech/gurus... little help here > =20 > thanks > John > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_42FBCFC9-419D-489A-86FC-487B2AA4B0C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = know this discussion has run out of steam, but the Washington Post just = published a relevant article with reviews of multiple free and pay apps = to block robo and spam calls and, in some cases, get even a bit. =  All but one seem to be limited to mobile phones, but I still = thought this was worth passing on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/04/die-roboca= lls-die-how-to-guide-stop-spammers-exact-revenge/?utm_term=3D.e534d4b0e2e2= &wpisrc=3Dnl_evening&wpmm=3D1

I am more than happy to share a pdf of = this article with anyone who has trouble opening up the link due to = WaPo=E2=80=99s paywall.

Jim

On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon = via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells = phones and home phone=20 offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited = time to reply... when I=20 press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign = being speaking almost=20 english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls = are two to=20 three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their = 800=20 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a = call=20 back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they = mask=20 their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was = nothing they=20 could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement=20 that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it = resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t seem=20 to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a=20 way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little = help=20 here
 
thanks
John
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_42FBCFC9-419D-489A-86FC-487B2AA4B0C1-- --===============7805037036443369909== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7805037036443369909==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 13:56:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84492588211 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 13:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail2.cableone.syn-alias.com [69.168.106.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE3D258827D for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 12:38:42 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=RwaqzDVuC/XhuJziKiMNQQ==:117 a=RwaqzDVuC/XhuJziKiMNQQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=vdivy_kM2vQA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=coGAVX8VErlP3yXN0tMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MUJL7Z-peBMw2-Ta-4cA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.lapis.bos.sync.lan smtp.user=badgermt; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [24.119.136.161] ([24.119.136.161:55930] helo=[192.168.0.7]) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id E4/96-02825-1BC22BC5; Sat, 13 Apr 2019 14:38:42 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 11:38:45 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] DIY Wireless Home Security Systems . . . From: Badger Mountain Motorworks via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1147660654506055684== boundary="------------341619C5477D525E949BD64A" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------341619C5477D525E949BD64A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a thirty year old wireless security system I want to replace with an update model.  Ideally one that has non-proprietary components an unobtrusive design and the option for cameras.  Our place, where I need varying levels of security, includes a two-story house with a wrap around porch on three sides and two separate garages.  When i look online I find a variety of recommendations provided by  websites where I tend to question their objectivity! Any personal experiences you'd like to share?  Pros and cons you've discovered? Thanks in advance for any and all input  .  .  . Jim in Central Arizona --------------341619C5477D525E949BD64A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I have a thirty year old wireless security system I want to replace with an update model.  Ideally one that has non-proprietary components an unobtrusive design and the option for cameras.  Our place, where I need varying levels of security, includes a two-story house with a wrap around porch on three sides and two separate garages.  When i look online I find a variety of recommendations provided by  websites where I tend to question their objectivity!

Any personal experiences you'd like to share?  Pros and cons you've discovered?

Thanks in advance for any and all input  .  .  .

Jim in Central Arizona

--------------341619C5477D525E949BD64A-- --===============1147660654506055684== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1147660654506055684==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 11:59:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476352588373 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f177.google.com (mail-it1-f177.google.com [209.85.166.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272D32586410 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f177.google.com with SMTP id v8so3128984itf.0 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=lZosJSI3NGG1hJ4cx0rmnn0sMgg4li8bjsk2ABz/kIc=; b=jcqOHHGnbp+k34T1xtERLNzk0MLPSk/aIY3RwegA+z51/Z8haUFBQmJOLDTnZaC/16 ogZ5/nXR9E18gfbxqKgvR4zj4VAxrSpw/blZITirrboB1vdL9PoenmQRJlAGqRUt8ROO rhmdq1oPWdDcdiQAedNK/tYGJyuMGR3mG+X8d0F5g9I6aCuBsKvJDlfNqfAit0uraeDS R0sK7LZ+4iMYopgE0hUxVSDSDRGR2S0aLwfV0EsNA/hq4HInNIAVBvXCTFH4D8DNClFS y3rPRMOj+YY3dX503Ic+wEKCuYWIpYlPhSXTaWJGGU/xJhy2o1+UKj0UbjGQ/qTciA1o kNFQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=lZosJSI3NGG1hJ4cx0rmnn0sMgg4li8bjsk2ABz/kIc=; b=pEOJS1jY4M+UWIozBl9ZDZPK34X3nSUs0/1Q7d/A1hVukLMPfnQBSFIjJv4EkV/+G0 yoEycWU5OnpAHvH76VrhaXgoOQ056DTHtUBN8DasuXAQVnETHnoSpTO99ijRuHXjedVr 2dy2Ljfz7jMOLG/Sp2TLE9DW3G5Fy1obraBcl3scHKdW+qhgo2cJQVSJVdCKXunTGfQa pCmxERvBWwEJ4lSRQVXYs/7UnWtE6UQGDGDe28O+3kA2RWcjLSYrBmtd9xPJgEPLKyON CfT7Vs0XHZZ7dfDFQ8QheDq21UIlwIyf5xnEtx+00/wEwX/3Y/GfCdxxVWP32v9ewJ1d k2BQ== JVa+v3nWrboEZaPfhdh/4LBYGhfF Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KarlIntel ([2601:243:2080:19b0:3d88:27b3:ea7e:6103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q8sm18626866ioi.33.2019.04.16.09.32.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:33:00 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Badger Mountain Motorworks'" References: <8cde03d1-b26b-9464-8d71-4c6234747831@cableone.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:32:59 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJLmNN/hyGCvi8c2W5DLxk8YvLvrqVRrO/Q Content-Language: en-us Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DIY Wireless Home Security Systems . . . From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2526618847715658331== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01D4F448.25CB9A70" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01D4F448.25CB9A70 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We went with SimpliSafe, which DOES have proprietary components. Not = that I wanted proprietary components, but because the system is good and = monitoring including wireless access to the system and cameras (and = recording) from anywhere, is $24.95 per month total. No additions per = camera, no upcharge for wireless access, etc. Doing most everything = from my phone is one of the best features. Turn on the system remotely = when we realize we forgot. Look at the cameras from anywhere while = we=E2=80=99re away (or at home). Decide where to put all sensors = without the sketchy serviceman knowing too. =20 Their prior system was limited and I had just bought one when they came = out with the improved model. Took almost a year to buy their new model, = but it=E2=80=99s nice. I bought their doorbell cams too, and although = they DO NOT go through the system itself, they may be monitored from = anywhere just like the system may be. And neither Amazon nor Google = have access like with Ring, Alexa, etc. =20 Their tech support is OK when you get the right person, other times not, = and their phones are always busy. I had to figure out by myself how to = get their doorbells to work with my electronic chime, which both they = and the chime manufacturer said wasn=E2=80=99t possible. How hard is = using a relay? Like so many other companies nowadays, they mostly rely = on =E2=80=9Cthe community=E2=80=9D to help each other through their = forums. Infuriating, but very 2019=E2=80=A6 =20 Most of the alternatives I saw were either cheesy, low-performance = systems or required THEIR installers, THEIR monitoring, and were $$$. = If there=E2=80=99s a way to buy standard components nowadays without = being a =E2=80=9Cprofessional=E2=80=9D (ahem), and there=E2=80=99s a = good monitoring plan available for a self-installed system, that might = be better, but really, the new Simplisafe systems (the ones introduced = in early 2018) are pretty good. =20 YMMV Karl =20 =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Badger Mountain Motorworks via Shop-talk Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 1:39 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] DIY Wireless Home Security Systems . . . =20 I have a thirty year old wireless security system I want to replace with = an update model. Ideally one that has non-proprietary components an = unobtrusive design and the option for cameras. Our place, where I need = varying levels of security, includes a two-story house with a wrap = around porch on three sides and two separate garages. When i look = online I find a variety of recommendations provided by websites where I = tend to question their objectivity! Any personal experiences you'd like to share? Pros and cons you've = discovered? Thanks in advance for any and all input . . . Jim in Central Arizona ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01D4F448.25CB9A70 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We went with SimpliSafe, which DOES have proprietary = components.=C2=A0 Not that I wanted proprietary components, but because = the system is good and monitoring including wireless access to the = system and cameras (and recording) from anywhere, is $24.95 per month = total.=C2=A0 No additions per camera, no upcharge for wireless access, = etc.=C2=A0 Doing most everything from my phone is one of the best = features.=C2=A0 Turn on the system remotely when we realize we = forgot.=C2=A0 Look at the cameras from anywhere while we=E2=80=99re away = (or at home).=C2=A0 Decide where to put all sensors without the sketchy = serviceman knowing too.

 

Their prior system was limited and I had just bought one when they = came out with the improved model.=C2=A0 Took almost a year to buy their = new model, but it=E2=80=99s nice.=C2=A0 I bought their doorbell cams = too, and although they DO NOT go through the system itself, they may be = monitored from anywhere just like the system may be.=C2=A0 And neither = Amazon nor Google have access like with Ring, Alexa, = etc.

 

Their tech support is OK when you get the right person, other times = not, and their phones are always busy.=C2=A0 I had to figure out by = myself how to get their doorbells to work with my electronic chime, = which both they and the chime manufacturer said wasn=E2=80=99t = possible.=C2=A0 How hard is using a relay?=C2=A0 Like so many other = companies nowadays, they mostly rely on =E2=80=9Cthe community=E2=80=9D = to help each other through their forums.=C2=A0 Infuriating, but very = 2019=E2=80=A6

 

Most of the alternatives I saw were either cheesy, low-performance = systems or required THEIR installers, THEIR monitoring, and were = $$$.=C2=A0 If there=E2=80=99s a way to buy standard components nowadays = without being a =E2=80=9Cprofessional=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 (ahem), and = there=E2=80=99s a good monitoring plan available for a self-installed = system, that might be better, but really, the new Simplisafe systems = (the ones introduced in early 2018) are pretty = good.

 

YMMV

Karl

 

 

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf = Of Badger Mountain Motorworks via Shop-talk
Sent: = Saturday, April 13, 2019 1:39 PM
To: = shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] DIY Wireless = Home Security Systems . . .

 

I have a thirty year old = wireless security system I want to replace with an update model.  = Ideally one that has non-proprietary components an unobtrusive design = and the option for cameras.  Our place, where I need varying levels = of security, includes a two-story house with a wrap around porch on = three sides and two separate garages.  When i look online I find a = variety of recommendations provided by  websites where I tend to = question their objectivity!

Any personal experiences = you'd like to share?  Pros and cons you've = discovered?

Thanks in advance for any and all = input  .  .  .

Jim in Central = Arizona

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Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1094258892C for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f50.google.com (mail-ua1-f50.google.com [209.85.222.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62682587928 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ua1-f50.google.com with SMTP id l17so1248952uar.4 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:02:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TGIXmbMmvu088owxlLBOTYVcF1fM/NbKfmRgc+qs6jY=; b=Gl5Yt0YCA1jylT5H8x/I1byrV2MNOJT9RVld35IWbY8w2cuT9IHEFF8TXDKPZEBv9h WRTDahXWxgQeZetesrYez1L+0HpwppOt4MBgeyayrkLKPkZbElevlbWYXVDujL8U3gyh 0eCk7yuvOaQbDHKOdGLNbNO6TMlZsuCmKwl6pkAgpYx9vfRq6BvS48GObsQ2RFz2Uc// sH6Vd6G5f/BZiICtvtq8uWyq02/+31qAP0dhDz1GUg1pH7ZQvpW55R8cN3CXkxmU9RhK McnI3LoT/g/zW+/eWaKaT5CmCb3IZF7tSnNikOLMJczrEOs/yZi9yHqklvqAxKw7nUUB GrSA== d=1e100.net; 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From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3098130161562915279== --0000000000003027c90586d5291f I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way... What do you all think? -Larry --0000000000003027c90586d5291f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but= the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings,= but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looke= d at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way...

Wha= t=C2=A0do you all think?

-Larry

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Howdy,

When I had that same thing happe= n, I bought used replacement racks on ebay.

Mark

On Thu, Apr 18= , 2019 at 6:49 PM Larry Spector via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've got a = 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are slowly rusting aw= ay. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought that something like= POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at replacement racks, but at $= 100+ each, no way...

What=C2=A0do you all think?

-Larry

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From: Matt via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7465385449926160996== ----__JWM__J9bdeb67.65b07b39S.6b442571M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I run my spa filters through the dishwasher. I went by a local applianc= e repair place and picked up a very serviceable rack from a dead machine= for $10. I then hacked it up so my spa filters fit well for their clea= ning. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair? Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:02:30 -0400 I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are slo= wly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought th= at something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at replace= ment racks, but at $100+ each, no way... What do you all think? -Larry ----__JWM__J9bdeb67.65b07b39S.6b442571M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I run my spa filters through the dishwasher.  I went by = a local appliance repair place and picked up a very serviceable rack fro= m a dead machine for $10.  I then hacked it up so my spa filters fi= t well for their cleaning.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Larry Spect= or via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repa= ir?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:02:30 -0400

I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but = the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coating= s, but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. = Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way...
 
What do you all think?
 
-Larry
 
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From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4120319309181444220== --0000000000003ddee405870ac0c1 Thanks for the input folks! I'll be looking for some used racks locally, hopefully I can find something decent. -Larry On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:45 AM Matt wrote: > I run my spa filters through the dishwasher. I went by a local appliance > repair place and picked up a very serviceable rack from a dead machine for > $10. I then hacked it up so my spa filters fit well for their cleaning. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk > To: shop-talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair? > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:02:30 -0400 > > I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are > slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought > that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at > replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way... > > What do you all think? > > -Larry > > --0000000000003ddee405870ac0c1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the input folks! I'll be looking for s= ome used racks locally, hopefully I can find something decent.=C2=A0
<= div>
-Larry

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:45 AM Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:
I run my spa filters throug= h the dishwasher.=C2=A0 I went by a local appliance repair place and picked= up a very serviceable rack from a dead machine for $10.=C2=A0 I then hacke= d it up so my spa filters fit well for their cleaning.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Larry Spector = via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net&= gt;
Subject: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 20= 19 18:02:30 -0400

I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but= the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings,= but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looke= d at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way...
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What=C2=A0do you all think?
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-Larry
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--0000000000003ddee405870ac0c1-- --===============4120319309181444220== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4120319309181444220==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 09:26:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A55AA1FCB for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62A2A1EB5 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:25:50 -0600 (MDT) References: <20190419.034328.6540.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 11:25:50 -0400 04/21/2019 11:25:50 AM, Serialize complete at 04/21/2019 11:25:50 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair? From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7859183769096860486== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0054C3AD852583E3_= Just an idea, but why don't you search craigslist (nationwide) and if you find a free make/model that matches, post it here and maybe one of us is close to it and can get it to you. Just an idea! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0054C3AD852583E3_= Just an idea, but why don't you search craigslist (nationwide) and if you find a free make/model that matches, post it here and maybe one of us is close to it and can get it to you.

Just an idea!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0054C3AD852583E3_=-- --===============7859183769096860486== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7859183769096860486==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 07:27:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D6FA1A02 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F004FA190C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id IXTnh8rHGTH0GIYz1hgeNv; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:27:43 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1555939663; bh=W071Yimyh0s73dKJ0AnVYMn1sR3BawUCwp+ZJ04ByPo=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=sE79O0W4iLkskwli3FS2RRY+QBl77DwUieqvyilcYDim2OkrDacOVUWlz27mjKjUu z/rE+62CB4qbGcgkC5GleSVIYMOfEcjuWEie8HTSKA72NWdETInZFEMDNVGdSfw4lQ XgKLMUCCTEwqzd+z0tRqPT0XalQi+fD2pbijYHQKDB4IpiB+GuBUo65SpS/DZ69Geq MBp6h7lFmEjr+ChSRNV5iEzZZwR8NSuc8E8QZGAYOv/fpBxNEUy2XThax9trtpUUb7 8aJgI5PsqHimMTV+CEP9JvHwd1/hNhecXcsTexzvnzucCmn6IpFHqDJMcRPycoJUyh Yb8LTp2X4VOiw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:198:200:60d5:e1d7:f6fc:4123:d0fa] ([IPv6:2601:198:200:60d5:e1d7:f6fc:4123:d0fa]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id IYz0hBmPb8DRMIYz0hW5F9; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:27:43 +0000 To: Larry Spector , shop-talk References: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:27:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair? From: "Peter J. Thomas via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7764820858063932230== boundary="------------C66BA125CF1F465773A47963" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C66BA125CF1F465773A47963 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit IIRC, POR15 is toxic. On 4/18/2019 6:02 PM, Larry Spector via Shop-talk wrote: > I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are > slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but > thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. > Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way... > > What do you all think? > > -Larry > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net > --------------C66BA125CF1F465773A47963 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
IIRC, POR15 is toxic.

On 4/18/2019 6:02 PM, Larry Spector via Shop-talk wrote:
I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way...

What do you all think?

-Larry


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--------------C66BA125CF1F465773A47963-- --===============7764820858063932230== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7764820858063932230==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 07:35:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABB4A1A6E for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4D9A1A2D for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:35:35 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:35:40 -0400 04/22/2019 09:35:35 AM, Serialize complete at 04/22/2019 09:35:35 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] motion lights From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7067716088776403304== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004AAB30852583E4_= OK, I'm tapping the vast wisdom here for a problem I've been dealing with for years now. I love motion lights. I live in a very rural area and they are key to my peace of mind. The problem is, they seem to fail at an increasing rate and just stay either on or off. (I know they have a feature if you flip the lights on and off they can override the sensor, that isn't the case in these lights.) I have some lights that have lasted over 15 years, and the new replacement ones are barely lasting 2 years. I've tried the new LED ones as well (and LED bulbs in older style ones.) I don't get lots of power fluctuations or outages. Can anyone recommend an outdoor motion light that is durable? Preferably one that does NOT have the override feature, if possible,? Or, can someone tell me what is causing the failures and what I can do to fix the problem? Thanks Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004AAB30852583E4_= OK, I'm tapping the vast wisdom here for a problem I've been dealing with for years now.

I love motion lights.  I live in a very rural area and they are key to my peace of mind.

The problem is, they seem to fail at an increasing rate and just stay either on or off.  (I know they have a feature if you flip the lights on and off they can override the sensor, that isn't the case in these lights.)

I have some lights that have lasted over 15 years, and the new replacement ones are barely lasting 2 years.  I've tried the new LED ones as well (and LED bulbs in older style ones.)  I don't get lots of power fluctuations or outages.

Can anyone recommend an outdoor  motion light that is durable?  Preferably one that does NOT have the override feature, if possible,?

Or, can someone tell me what is causing the failures and what I can do to fix the problem?

Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004AAB30852583E4_=-- --===============7067716088776403304== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7067716088776403304==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 09:16:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C6A1645 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f51.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A832A1629 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f51.google.com with SMTP id t8so9884382otp.7 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PNPJHmcRtfclZFO7jCp6HVpEGZ1aCm8/eQi2rDXVJ1I=; b=hUEDviXw7iWS7H9bCoROv9GVDJehRY7LS1Vjqhyf/8pcodx/BVHXygIr8M0UmcOIt2 txB5+gPOERpKLGtfiOkiPjnFPTmHL17ttg29GGDTkZpoeTEKXKTls4N0WsUMUzrKa0Yo 4ragaiyvs6Q55Pz6j0blTfuLSpHCWg8aHK4mFjPPa+T72vFEcOJ7zChRsCH/SDiZCUye kf73FgFOnEcopJZGZ3eCYvlFlgdgCFtIOykwOUFPFB2oryaCNg1Q2sNSy2pjzZSQhv6V Jetu0CKrsToxLv6pn6R18fotK8LintaVTavVB9jBJrNJeahM6+HHgzXTQ9h+M/BVbyVO zodg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PNPJHmcRtfclZFO7jCp6HVpEGZ1aCm8/eQi2rDXVJ1I=; b=TY7s5PqQryw8ngcWOAm6r7E/7n25+pOZoJpMypfPp4fL6bBrmKdI4yLK2nDGfumDrf xC0kMudWr0J5IV44THGhl+4FwtXg1fae3XwflYiu/USGmo9oZ6lrwi26VwfysKGMJBfY AkOFqRpZoyaFu4wgb3p3M4ha5OLvyAKTyB7lT5pw8bbF43cLBLVKla++xAZGZAouY+q3 MUd7ERVxGmjgHAhTe/nmPfQ4KIkWvCnkwda2wJAW3WEpZZiY+xlSHYRRhLj/l0fQKmCq OuyyVSwOkhYictHQmp0NN409lvBOOd5Ru5KcCFbEnS/OKb19tvo6/gsRCotxe2T9MxCX FNdg== 1SHRlrOUa1ok5swYRjrZs0TGA4ulmmtYsrObofc80g== Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:15:46 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] motion lights From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4695219591958253740== --00000000000004d7b405871ff25e Another option, maybe better, maybe not, is to move to the "smart home" type system. I've done this and it separates the sensor from the device. The downside is the range is limited, but some of the devices act as repeater so can give you "unlimited" range. I have a Samsung SmartThings hub but there are several other options out there. I have smart bulbs which have the controller built in and I have a smart switch which controls "dumb" bulbs on a circuit. You can then buy motion sensors, door sensor, water sensors, temperature sensors, etc to trigger the devices. There's a programming interface to set up how the sensors controls the devices. You can also choose to get notified when the system detects things and/or takes action. Ben... On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:35 AM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > OK, I'm tapping the vast wisdom here for a problem I've been dealing with > for years now. > > I love motion lights. I live in a very rural area and they are key to my > peace of mind. > > The problem is, they seem to fail at an increasing rate and just stay > either on or off. (I know they have a feature if you flip the lights on > and off they can override the sensor, that isn't the case in these lights.) > > I have some lights that have lasted over 15 years, and the new replacement > ones are barely lasting 2 years. I've tried the new LED ones as well (and > LED bulbs in older style ones.) I don't get lots of power fluctuations or > outages. > > Can anyone recommend an outdoor motion light that is durable? Preferably > one that does NOT have the override feature, if possible,? > > Or, can someone tell me what is causing the failures and what I can do to > fix the problem? > > Thanks > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > -- Ben Zwissler bjzwissler@gmail.com Columbus, IN --00000000000004d7b405871ff25e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another option, maybe better, maybe not, is to move to the= "smart home" type system.=C2=A0 I've done this and it separa= tes the sensor from the device.=C2=A0 The downside is the range is limited,= but some of the devices act as repeater so can give you "unlimited&qu= ot; range.=C2=A0 I have a Samsung SmartThings hub but there are several oth= er options out there.=C2=A0 I have smart bulbs which have the controller bu= ilt in and I have a smart switch which controls "dumb" bulbs on a= circuit.=C2=A0 You can then buy motion sensors, door sensor, water sensors= , temperature sensors, etc to trigger the devices.=C2=A0 There's a prog= ramming interface to set up how the sensors controls the devices.=C2=A0 You= can also choose to get notified when the system detects things and/or take= s action.

Ben...

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:35 AM er= ic--- via Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk@autox.team.net> wrote:
OK, I'm tapping t= he vast wisdom here for a problem I've been dealing with for years now.

I love motion lights.=C2=A0 I live= in a very rural area and they are key to my peace of mind.

The problem is, they seem to fail = at an increasing rate and just stay either on or off. =C2=A0(I know they have a feature if you flip the lights on and off they can override the sensor, that isn't the case in these lights.)

I have some lights that have laste= d over 15 years, and the new replacement ones are barely lasting 2 years. =C2=A0I've tried the new LED ones as well (and LED bulbs in older style ones.) =C2=A0I don't get lots of power fluctuations or outages.

Can anyone recommend an outdoor = =C2=A0motion light that is durable?=C2=A0 Preferably one that does NOT have the override feature, if possible,?

Or, can someone tell me what is ca= using the failures and what I can do to fix the problem?

Thanks


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They are pretty good for = the price https://www.homedepot.com/p/Defiant-180-Degree-White-LED-Motion-O= utdoor-Security-Light-DFI-5983-WH/205937583. I strategically install them u= nder the eave at the front of my house and garage to keep them out of the r= ain. The last one (same brand) I had to replace worked great but a bird pecked o= ut the motion sensor "window" so I figured it'd eventually fail. Still work= ed fine up until that point. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of eric--- via= Shop-talk Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:35 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] motion lights OK, I'm tapping the vast wisdom here for a problem I've been dealing with f= or years now. I love motion lights. I live in a very rural area and they are key to my p= eace of mind. The problem is, they seem to fail at an increasing rate and just stay eithe= r on or off. (I know they have a feature if you flip the lights on and off= they can override the sensor, that isn't the case in these lights.) I have some lights that have lasted over 15 years, and the new replacement = ones are barely lasting 2 years. I've tried the new LED ones as well (and = LED bulbs in older style ones.) I don't get lots of power fluctuations or = outages. Can anyone recommend an outdoor motion light that is durable? Preferably = one that does NOT have the override feature, if possible,? Or, can someone tell me what is causing the failures and what I can do to f= ix the problem? Thanks Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b= eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo= Emerson -Who is John Galt? --_000_BL0PR03MB421143E515918762EA6E38329A220BL0PR03MB4211namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a couple Defiant brand (home depot) LED ones that have lasted longer= than previous halogen or incandescent varieties. They are pretty good for = the price https://www.homedepot.com/p/Defiant-180-Degree-White-LED-Motion-Outdoor-Sec= urity-Light-DFI-5983-WH/205937583. I strategically install them under t= he eave at the front of my house and garage to keep them out of the rain.&n= bsp;

The last one (same brand) I had to replace worked great but a b= ird pecked out the motion sensor "window" so I figured it'd event= ually fail. Still worked fine up until that point.

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-t= alk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:35 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] motion lights
 
OK, I'm tapping the vast wisdom h= ere for a problem I've been dealing with for years now.

I love motion lights.  I live in = a very rural area and they are key to my peace of mind.

The problem is, they seem to fail at a= n increasing rate and just stay either on or off.  (I know they have a= feature if you flip the lights on and off they can override the sensor, th= at isn't the case in these lights.)

I have some lights that have lasted ov= er 15 years, and the new replacement ones are barely lasting 2 years.  = ;I've tried the new LED ones as well (and LED bulbs in older style ones.) &= nbsp;I don't get lots of power fluctuations or outages.

Can anyone recommend an outdoor  = motion light that is durable?  Preferably one that does NOT have the o= verride feature, if possible,?

Or, can someone tell me what is causin= g the failures and what I can do to fix the problem?

Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." R= alph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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From: John Miller via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/22/2019 6:27 AM, Peter J. Thomas via Shop-talk wrote: > IIRC, POR15 is toxic. And doesn't work very well. Dishwasher racks are powdercoated. If you want to restore one you need to figure out how to blast or strip the old powercoat, prepare the new surface (usually blasting), and put on the new coat (don't bake the casters!) Otherwise find something new, or better. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 21:05:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF497A13DC for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (unknown [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EC5A12BA for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:04:58 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1555988699; bh=TSljJcMH/YxaRN9TPMAoa/Rjvw4ug+0z1jKm aOaOziI=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=muCCq/fEZHsxBky73dgZWeJOfrJQkFR3P WyXCORBix1CpHWsr3InONwIDGfGkP5H5FA/QLQsbbWPU6eXW0zDfxfdSh50X/EuMU/t lwtiqd9rRGFhH5vxCWLSa/aU6gQTmxh9EMEGL0P7s9N5pxZ77bldrHHq7Pv/m9C6jMA Y5XVAL8O5ECJR1g9g+OvQpOfuWdH3VPLuQi6g4p6HV1sMXrWAiO6jbJchdcwOyXUBaH cqKqz5vBQqyUEtmtw4PlxXNOhd9r0oom5ACawmEiOqO034IMHrF1s8TbaaOHPOURZJx TFjBQbw+Ox3uLKQ0ssF+G4oPpECWehKE5vpqAC9bA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=f0qqbtt43qrN9PWLbuD7qXy0j7NKdPmRBTpK1fuTxVFXYnIeV6pJLwwOlQjUTx1aTH8FEXgSJyd7gsHphivJTfo47tGWNWZ8HCa4xd7xwqix9ZBaZnKS1O7laLN1NWpc4Qq6nZInpzW4fWYJnWQJwqD5Xos7F7weeZCQc1kE5LvsUWGaZkc9KFralxuvSjkjDmun0mX6bSVZq+LfXzq8pirepMdgGoen0EB59L3ezETZTwWzVlS7t6btHSRNQ5bJthIlXrdxQlN3G/KuqPqFByAs6RjRTbzMgF2wjw9xB7hzndQneio5L1HorGGXOlMDpdIMGZ9vR/+2NpTY7EvWAw==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1hIlju-0005Qf-Cj for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:04:58 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:04:52 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dishwasher rack repair? From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1462608378453186626== boundary="------------A3663BB005132A47DD660502" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3663BB005132A47DD660502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Search "dishwasher rack repair paint" and you will find several products with good ratings.  I would go with a product specific to dishwasher racks. Brian On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:49 PM Larry Spector via Shop-talk > > I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks > are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, > but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last > longer. Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way... > > What do you all think? > > -Larry > --------------A3663BB005132A47DD660502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Search "dishwasher rack repair paint" and you will find several products with good ratings.  I would go with a product specific to dishwasher racks.

Brian


On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:49 PM Larry Spector via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've got a 6+ year old dishwasher that works fine, but the racks are slowly rusting away. I know there are vinyl repair coatings, but thought that something like POR15 might work better/last longer. Looked at replacement racks, but at $100+ each, no way...

What do you all think?

-Larry
--------------A3663BB005132A47DD660502-- --===============1462608378453186626== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1462608378453186626==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 17:31:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E3A0E01 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM06-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (unknown [40.92.33.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40436A0D94 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:31:29 -0600 (MDT) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=KIRoVxvxt/xN5kqSvuBez9CsJ/0W1EN1cCC57IoYvdk=; b=FP348tl9v2Yg1IBmDiavagsr2y2rfI3JIN21v9mMBz7c43lryb2zmxG9eBOU01IqlhrQf8UkugRtJWe1UqYAD4K3HT03D1ch086g+gOYB+xGov1XiAJSHacEhw16n6p+5iT66g+bNwRtrwkkIyG0LLof6OnQlNSlmr4a6E0MatwNC1zDaKDzD+6lij9SmcbCHDuQBSWz71OD/ysRn9/1D+Np+nsbhkTwTFM4uQhyFEXLvcd597ud/4BEk1T7Ah4gh8TshxsARxpO++uOOoHcT42ktoPa1OBihKUejTA/8nMBU7xNjNcg2OBwIKyxhdwaxyo4csbGnMxd74fxzXB1jQ== Received: from BL2NAM06FT004.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.106.52) by BL2NAM06HT013.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.106.123) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1856.4; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:31:28 +0000 Received: from DM6PR13MB2233.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.106.60) by BL2NAM06FT004.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.106.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1856.4 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:31:28 +0000 Received: from DM6PR13MB2233.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e5a2:4898:b12c:6766]) by DM6PR13MB2233.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e5a2:4898:b12c:6766%6]) with mapi id 15.20.1856.004; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:31:27 +0000 To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings Thread-Index: AQHU+76dMLRYvf0tHUSK8JyiPm8/MA== Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:31:27 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:DE54151874CED5350665A8E782CA3D38ACB9EF939F039B08AA8423572F0B02D0; UpperCasedChecksum:EE5E45C8D5F2372CE3140636C2C5ABBA1C15524086B41E28C2CE00EBE6686843; SizeAsReceived:6544; Count:40 x-tmn: [bZt3ou5aCRbBQG+Y2Plom7ZJLbhzCFSA] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 40 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(5050001)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:BL2NAM06HT013; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BL2NAM06HT013: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: CGpiGYvzn7I8qr2r6NNtAc9MbHPjJWeIxOkGMgZoWNbt6CwczKpfCKRdAXiJ2BnbFhWmN4v70st3KB5RfsfpFbgf+s5wGoV+QCGlvWPcoVjT5NOGSy6iWJgT6/n1EjWMH5Vx/InLaV8fFtFbtOIJFjW8A3ZOW3NdmX+N6Wm3yUFk/z7ZPxOHpkAD5QAfgn/D Subject: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8884025940166484859== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM6PR13MB2233E4906E491B42A00DC565B43D0DM6PR13MB2233namp_" --_000_DM6PR13MB2233E4906E491B42A00DC565B43D0DM6PR13MB2233namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end o= n the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get the g= un's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is now trash, I eve= n grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I would have more leverage. I = still couldn't get it to go on. Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a sping cli= p FFS. thoughts? cheers tim --_000_DM6PR13MB2233E4906E491B42A00DC565B43D0DM6PR13MB2233namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end o= n the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get = the gun's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass = vise grips so I would have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on.=  

Has anyone ever heard of= this? It's just bizarre= zare. It's just a sping clip FFS. 

thoughts?

cheers
tim
--_000_DM6PR13MB2233E4906E491B42A00DC565B43D0DM6PR13MB2233namp_-- --===============8884025940166484859== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8884025940166484859==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 17:51:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD00A1010 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18829A0FA2 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id d19so1533698ioc.3 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:subject :mime-version; bh=9gDdxiefNMXdbMFyOxgMCe2I3yHLJP2wvYR0SCeTrew=; b=mzBz+viZvBsjbWzO1lYXxRRRIqUijGuTjtc6S01beQIAhpal33pnyNZvJYoC7eMLAc rfwxT61xqXXwMKvDuUsVULDT+/0jxViF1aUazxl2YK/oHu8mv+Tetjz8voiUnCEXtVQO 7j4kVq8TTZcoAUFqDEDfsfMMkIdmVEEnIsg/A5jFm9Sg7wfiulphDM1goNmSXf1WxZ3F D4m9u3h99PJaJ/BWutXvZGPOJQdscZJjrdEfiZPQL3cGXiY9PJaK6/tDF0pglMak/Q9E po+sKf+kfON0sE9WkiugTsMVx9MrK00vPA91EuI+5wCk0cjDP5QJA2VsjW90nBV77W9v FMHg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:subject:mime-version; bh=9gDdxiefNMXdbMFyOxgMCe2I3yHLJP2wvYR0SCeTrew=; b=EulRvmD8EovdGoFEulqswl+lHRw6PhtW9AEkuQVI2z7vK3cJ7uzvC/dEmNB5TT22rC vRQ4hqGZALXyZkj9XUaJDWu58X1oT6CojlyLNPvRUQcgiRhRlxz6Hmpm/ADDI/jd6dJ0 dza/ZpULTpqa9ZLVmvOpY7gm28eElFKS4IMnvtpZha6F/XOJj8kH8d9mJTKtc6206maC EwMld5WhTfrHuyFdwtFzpwETc08GqwNWUAoV9lDYDfAX/d4TsqUgBiJrHKErgwRCdS81 GzwMiLJRUij20VO5SQGTFaHf88HYFQR44ixWOZ9GHSu0ws7uGiN+OTV3vGAAnhLGHaGL d2CQ== BOlGt0Xta2oiIeVy2gUKJAw= Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.54] (c-73-50-19-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [73.50.19.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n138sm2709928itb.32.2019.04.25.16.51.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:51:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:51:29 -0500 References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.20.0-1451 (build: 102000001) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3535422623202338655== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------16a56e94482417a280072810e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had plenty of issues with newer grease gun couplers. I used to unscrew them to make the lock teeth loose, pop the coupler on the zerk, and then tighten the coupler. I finally bought a "Lock 'n Lube" lever action coupler. A little large for some tight locations, but overall satisfactory. Way too expensive, but it works. ------------16a56e94482417a280072810e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had plenty of issues with newer grease gun couplers.=   I used to unscrew them to make the lock teeth loose, pop the coupler= on the zerk, and then tighten the coupler.  I finally bought a "Lock = 'n Lube" lever action coupler.  A little large for some tight location= s, but overall satisfactory.  Way too expensive, but it works.

------------16a56e94482417a280072810e3-- --===============3535422623202338655== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3535422623202338655==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 21:14:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E739DA0E4E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6E0A0BD9 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0323E2A011B for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lCmnnto1x8rW for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-177-251.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.177.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C88AE2A00F0 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:14:18 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:14:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5573413801518815069== boundary="------------EC2EA7098EA3AD6BF6DD4B07" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EC2EA7098EA3AD6BF6DD4B07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last time I used my grease gun, it went on the zerk just fine but I had to use vise grips and a pry bar to get it off.  Not sure what's wrong. On 4/25/19 7:31 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote: > Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business > end on the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even > get the gun's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is > now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I would > have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on. > > Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a > sping clip FFS. > > thoughts? > > cheers > tim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------EC2EA7098EA3AD6BF6DD4B07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Last time I used my grease gun, it went on the zerk just fine but I had to use vise grips and a pry bar to get it off.  Not sure what's wrong.

On 4/25/19 7:31 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end on the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get the gun's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I would have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on. 

Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a sping clip FFS. 

thoughts?

cheers
tim

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--------------EC2EA7098EA3AD6BF6DD4B07-- --===============5573413801518815069== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5573413801518815069==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 22:27:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EB7A0EB1 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCA7A0C0B for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-15v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.239]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id Js5WhSj9FVIRHJsRphkrc4; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:26:53 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1556252813; bh=+qAoM/urqK0fvr2y4B2VLKbxqImtjnPVn9A1tqBugoE=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cz+iIlp3lDIjyPbxpHL2joL6eQUhz+plSMDJ4MZaVQdCVnoDpzQax6HejDawDehow 7IJamaQS6iVMmaLY/w4ZWXfemdKxBcFcAa7WvvEuR2HeNbjypcRktyx0XfOyl16tpL jH67JkTKFe6VapHSak7G55I95/MyUALwC6mmcsyR1bO+72PF3rM5YTzwKgYqsdYQs0 ObV/QKSQ6EElE0iFxZ3nNFpd44QV2j+WO6YD5g4tYOT3rCgRkTnbYjTFnMu8UPs0va BEbg8/BbS94+rdWvlV6ZLOQFhsFMyx34TDiqXilNVkcXQGd/IDyGu4dUEBw+ggI65h z3KESzTAEkcTQ== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:c831:8cfe:2c08:c187] ([IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:c831:8cfe:2c08:c187]) by resomta-po-15v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id JsRohdecLvX8aJsRphuNNl; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 04:26:53 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <32b21a3b-1f69-940f-3353-c1d25661b41d@sackheads.org> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:26:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8690222744065012586== boundary="------------A867382ADDF3A7797D15AF8C" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A867382ADDF3A7797D15AF8C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've encountered similar for years (glad to know I'm not the only A-R on the List ;)).  Sometimes, the coupler would work fine on 10 zerks, then lock-up on the 11th (which, of course, was in the least accessible place).  There should be a spec for the fittings, but if not the manufacturers--read: China--might all make them with slightly different dimensions, slopes,springs, etc. (and, if there are specs, I won't bet money all the factories in China adhere to them).  Same with the couplings, if it's in the ballpark it ships, and with a 'tight' coupling with a slightly oversized fitting you'd have problems getting it on AND getting it off (what really pisses me off is when the coupler is clamped on like a gila monster but there's not enough room to wrangle it and, if you twist too hard well, you get the picture).  It's almost a no-win, if the coupler is too loose or the zerk is undersized, they go together fine, but 80% of the grease don't make it home. Best I can suggest is find a coupler that's agreeable and, if you install zerks find a brand that's agreeable as well.  If one always puts up a fight, maybe file the zerk down a HAIR (though it'll probably leak like a mo-fo).  Better yet, try another zerk and have a close look and see if you can tell a difference (inquiring minds) Bob On 4/25/2019 8:14 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk wrote: > Last time I used my grease gun, it went on the zerk just fine but I > had to use vise grips and a pry bar to get it off.  Not sure what's > wrong. > > On 4/25/19 7:31 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote: >> Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business >> end on the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't >> even get the gun's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun >> is now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I >> would have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on. >> >> Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a >> sping clip FFS. >> >> thoughts? >> >> cheers >> tim >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------A867382ADDF3A7797D15AF8C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've encountered similar for years (glad to know I'm not the only A-R on the List ;)).  Sometimes, the coupler would work fine on 10 zerks, then lock-up on the 11th (which, of course, was in the least accessible place).  There should be a spec for the fittings, but if not the manufacturers--read: China--might all make them with slightly different dimensions, slopes,springs, etc. (and, if there are specs, I won't bet money all the factories in China adhere to them).  Same with the couplings, if it's in the ballpark it ships, and with a 'tight' coupling with a slightly oversized fitting you'd have problems getting it on AND getting it off (what really pisses me off is when the coupler is clamped on like a gila monster but there's not enough room to wrangle it and, if you twist too hard well, you get the picture).  It's almost a no-win, if the coupler is too loose or the zerk is undersized, they go together fine, but 80% of the grease don't make it home.


Best I can suggest is find a coupler that's agreeable and, if you install zerks find a brand that's agreeable as well.  If one always puts up a fight, maybe file the zerk down a HAIR (though it'll probably leak like a mo-fo).  Better yet, try another zerk and have a close look and see if you can tell a difference (inquiring minds)


Bob



On 4/25/2019 8:14 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk wrote:
Last time I used my grease gun, it went on the zerk just fine but I had to use vise grips and a pry bar to get it off.  Not sure what's wrong.

On 4/25/19 7:31 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote:
Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end on the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get the gun's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I would have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on. 

Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a sping clip FFS. 

thoughts?

cheers
tim



      

      


      

      

      

      
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I will disassemble and thoroughly cle=
an the gun's fitting and see if that helps. If not, a mate just bought a pn=
eumatic grease gun that I will try.

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From: Shop-talk  on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings

Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end o=
n the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get the g=
un's hose to go onto the zerks. Since I figured the gun is now trash, I eve=
n grabbed the end with big ass vise grips so I would have more leverage. I =
still couldn't get it to go on.

Has anyone ever heard of this? It's just bizarrezare. It's just a sping cli=
p FFS.

thoughts?

cheers
tim

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I will disassemble and thoroughl=
y clean the gun's fitting and see if that helps. If not, a mate just bought=
 a pneumatic grease gun that I will try.  














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To: Shop Talk

Subject: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittin=
gs

 







Last time I used my grease gun I had a hard time getting the business end o=
n the zerks. And getting it off was even harder. Now I can't even get =
the gun's hose to go onto the zerks.
 Since I figured the gun is now trash, I even grabbed the end with big ass =
vise grips so I would have more leverage. I still couldn't get it to go on.=
 









Has anyone ever heard of this? I=
t's just bizarrezare.
 It's just a sping clip FFS. 









thoughts?









cheers



tim








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I have a lot of plastic covers that I need to protect from the sun's UV 
rays.  Each cover is about 3'X4' and I have over 30 of them. 
The finish is not important, it's only to protect the plastic from turning 
brittle in the sun and breaking.

I know there are spray paint cans that are meant for plastic, but I have a 
few questions.

First, are any brands better than others?
Second, is there a cheaper option?  A brush on paint for plastic maybe? Or 
should I get one of these...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KZ0VEGE/?coliid=I12XQ8SETPNGYN&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it 


And get a can of plastic paint?
Any good suppliers to use?

Any other thoughts or ideas?

Thanks


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I have a lot of plastic covers that I need
to protect from the sun's UV rays.  Each cover is about 3'X4' and
I have over 30 of them.  

The finish is not important, it's only
to protect the plastic from turning brittle in the sun and breaking.



I know there are spray paint cans that
are meant for plastic, but I have a few questions.



First, are any brands better than others?

Second, is there a cheaper option?  A
brush on paint for plastic maybe?  Or should I get one of these...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KZ0VEGE/?coliid=I12XQ8SETPNGYN&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it




And get a can of plastic paint?

Any good suppliers to use?



Any other thoughts or ideas?



Thanks





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I use repair clinic:
 

 

https://www.repairclinic.com/

 

Al Fuller

 

 

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim .
via Shop-talk
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Anyone have favorite source or recommendation for a source for an over
element (before I do the google thing)? The lower element took a crap this
morning.

 

We are going to get a new oven/stove combo but don't have the money saved up
yet. I am hoping for something cheap to use until fall when I plan on
getting a new unit. 

 

thanks

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I use repair clinic: 
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Back in 2017, I ordered one from "PartsForLess Co." through Amazon.  It 
was cheap ($15) and worked perfectly.


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Back in 2017, I ordered one from "PartsForLess
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To: eric@megageek.com
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Painting plastic
From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk 
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Auto body shops have plastic paint.  I had a quart custom mixed for my tr8
dash and it's held up well.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:44 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I have a lot of plastic covers that I need to protect from the sun's UV
> rays.  Each cover is about 3'X4' and I have over 30 of them.
> The finish is not important, it's only to protect the plastic from turning
> brittle in the sun and breaking.
>
> I know there are spray paint cans that are meant for plastic, but I have a
> few questions.
>
> First, are any brands better than others?
> Second, is there a cheaper option?  A brush on paint for plastic maybe?
> Or should I get one of these...
>
> *https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KZ0VEGE/?coliid=I12XQ8SETPNGYN&colid=2Q4QONC3A3JBV&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it*
> 
>
> And get a can of plastic paint?
> Any good suppliers to use?
>
> Any other thoughts or ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
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Auto body shops have plastic paint.=C2=A0 I had a quart c=
ustom mixed for my tr8 dash and it's held up well.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019=
, 8:44 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I have a lot of plastic cove=
rs that I need
to protect from the sun's UV rays.=C2=A0 Each cover is about 3'X4&#=
39; and
I have over 30 of them. =C2=A0

The finish is not important, it=
9;s only
to protect the plastic from turning brittle in the sun and breaking.



I know there are spray paint cans =
that
are meant for plastic, but I have a few questions.



First, are any brands better than =
others?

Second, is there a cheaper option?=
=C2=A0 A
brush on paint for plastic maybe?=C2=A0 Or should I get one of these...

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JBV&psc=3D0&ref_=3Dlv_ov_lig_dp_it




And get a can of plastic paint?

Any good suppliers to use?



Any other thoughts or ideas?



Thanks





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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oven elements
From: Jack Brooks via Shop-talk 
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Just make sure it is the wattage matches the OEM part.  They sell ones that=
 fit and are considered "correct" that are lower wattage than OEM. Not good=
!  I learned this the hard way.

Jack
________________________________
From: Shop-talk  on behalf of eric--- via=
 Shop-talk 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:13:03 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oven elements

Back in 2017, I ordered one from "PartsForLess Co." through Amazon.  It was=
 cheap ($15) and worked perfectly.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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-Who is John Galt?

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Just make sure it is the wattage matches the OEM part.  They sell ones=
 that fit and are considered "correct" that are lower wattage tha=
n OEM. Not good!  I learned this the hard way.







Jack




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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:13:03 AM

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oven elements

 




Back in 2017, I ordered one from =
"PartsForLess Co." through Amazon.  It was cheap ($15) and w=
orked perfectly.






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nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." R=
alph Waldo Emerson


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My problem has been getting good replacement couplers.  My 1970 grease gun, 
still my best, finally needed a new coupler years ago and since then it's 
been a struggle to find a high quality coupler.  The Lincoln ones in auto 
parts stores have been poor Chinese ones for years now.  Maybe McMaster 
Carr sells better ones?  The Lock'nLube works but if just as soon use a 
regular coupler that works, especially when attaching to a hard to reach 
fitting - Suburban idler arm for instance.

On April 26, 2019 8:23:54 AM Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk 
 wrote:
> Have you tried changing the coupler on the grease gun? They do wear out 
> after some years of use.  I have a 25 year old grease gun that I have 
> change twice, both time making it work like new again.
>
> https://www.mcmaster.com/grease-gun-fittings
>
>
> Here is some good general information (somewhat tongue in cheek) on zerks 
> and couplers, even about how to reverse the jaws in the couplers to provide 
> a new mating surface to the zerk:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_v0ptMU0DI
>
>
> best,
>
> des
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go and since then it's been a struggle to find a high quality coupler. =
; The Lincoln ones in auto parts stores have been poor Chinese ones for yea=
rs now.  Maybe McMaster Carr sells better ones?  The Lock'nLube w=
orks but if just as soon use a regular coupler that works, especially when =
attaching to a hard to reach fitting - Suburban idler arm for instance.











On April 26, 2019 8:23:54 AM Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk <shop-=
talk@autox.team.net> wrote:





Have you tried changing the coupler on the grease gun? They do wear out aft=
er some years of use.  I have a 25 year old grease gun that I have cha=
nge twice, both time making it work like new again.


















Here is some good general information (somewhat tongue in cheek) on zerks a=
nd couplers, even about how to reverse the jaws in the couplers to provide =
a new mating surface to the zerk:





















best,







des







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Subject: [Shop-talk] Grease gun will no longer go on the zerk fittings
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Have you tried changing the coupler on the grease gun? They do wear out aft=
er some years of use.  I have a 25 year old grease gun that I have change t=
wice, both time making it work like new again.

https://www.mcmaster.com/grease-gun-fittings


Here is some good general information (somewhat tongue in cheek) on zerks a=
nd couplers, even about how to reverse the jaws in the couplers to provide =
a new mating surface to the zerk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dm_v0ptMU0DI



best,


des

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Have you tried changing the coupler on the grease gun? They do wear out aft=
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nge twice, both time making it work like new again.


















Here is some good general information (somewhat tongue in cheek) on zerks a=
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a new mating surface to the zerk:





















best,







des








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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Painting plastic
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old exterior latex paint on them, and it seems to hold up.  I don=E2=80=99=
t know if there is something special about those plastics or not.

-Darrell

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 5:44 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk =
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>=20
> I have a lot of plastic covers that I need to protect from the sun's =
UV rays.  Each cover is about 3'X4' and I have over 30 of them.  =20
> The finish is not important, it's only to protect the plastic from =
turning brittle in the sun and breaking.=20
>=20
> I know there are spray paint cans that are meant for plastic, but I =
have a few questions.=20
>=20
> First, are any brands better than others?=20
> Second, is there a cheaper option?  A brush on paint for plastic =
maybe?  Or should I get one of these...=20
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> And get a can of plastic paint?=20
> Any good suppliers to use?=20
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> Any other thoughts or ideas?=20
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There are adhesion promoters, the ones I =
have seen are for autobody use.   But I have plenty of plastic =
(conduit, electrical boxes) with regular old exterior latex paint on =
them, and it seems to hold up.  I don=E2=80=99t know if there is =
something special about those plastics or not.

-Darrell

On Apr =
26, 2019, at 5:44 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a lot of plastic covers that I =
need
to protect from the sun's UV rays.  Each cover is about 3'X4' and
I have over 30 of them.  

The =
finish is not important, it's only
to protect the plastic from turning brittle in the sun and =
breaking.



I know =
there are spray paint cans that
are meant for plastic, but I have a few questions.



First, =
are any brands better than others?

Second, =
is there a cheaper option?  A
brush on paint for plastic maybe?  Or should I get one of =
these...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KZ0VEGE/?coliid=3DI12XQ8SETPNGYN&a=
mp;colid=3D2Q4QONC3A3JBV&psc=3D0&ref_=3Dlv_ov_lig_dp_it=





And get a =
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Any good =
suppliers to use?



Any other =
thoughts or ideas?



Thanks





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I forgot about these guys. Thanks! Parts ordered.

________________________________
From: Shop-talk  on behalf of Al Fuller v=
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oven elements


I use repair clinic: 

https://www.repairclinic.com/



Al Fuller





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. via Shop-talk
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 10:56 AM
To: Shop Talk 
Subject: [Shop-talk] oven elements



Anyone have favorite source or recommendation for a source for an over elem=
ent (before I do the google thing)? The lower element took a crap this morn=
ing.



We are going to get a new oven/stove combo but don't have the money saved u=
p yet. I am hoping for something cheap to use until fall when I plan on get=
ting a new unit.



thanks

tim

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I forgot about these guys. Thanks! Parts ordered. 














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To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oven elements

 









I use repair clinic:




https://www.=
repairclinic.com/



 





Al Fuller



 





 







From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim . via Shop-talk

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Subject: [Shop-talk] oven elements







 





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&nb=
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tha=
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Subject: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
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I've been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery technology has
moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit making
18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter that allows
their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I have one of the
adapters and, while it works, makes the tools a bit awkward. There are
after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does anyone have experience
with any of them, good or bad?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Peace,

Pat


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I’ve =
been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery technology has =
moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit =
making 18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter =
that allows their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I =
have one of the adapters and, while it works, makes the tools a bit =
awkward. There are after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does =
anyone have experience with any of them, good or bad?
 
Thanks in =
advance.
 
Peace,
Pat

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
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Thanks, Eric. I=E2=80=99ve checked with some of the rebuilders & they =
say they can only do NiCad batteries.  I really like the reduced weight =
of the Li-Ion batteries so want to stay with them if possible. I have a =
couple coming in today that I bought on Amazon so I=E2=80=99ll be able =
to check them out soon. If desired I can post how they work our. The =
last Ni-Mh batteries I bought worked fine until they develop a bad =
connection from being dropped. Repaired the connection & they worked =
again.=20

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Peace,

Pat

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From: eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com]=20
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Cc: Pat Horne
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement

=20

I used a service that did the battery replacement.  For the hassle of =
sending my unit in, waiting and getting it back, then having the =
contacts corrode within a year, I wouldn't do it again.=20

I would just do it myself.  You can buy the battery cells for cheap (and =
upgrade Ahr) and solder them yourself.  It's fairly straight  forward.=20


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20
-Who is John Galt?=20



From:        Pat Horne via Shop-talk =20
To:        =20
Date:        04/29/2019 09:50 AM=20
Subject:        [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement=20
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" =20

  _____ =20




I=E2=80=99ve been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery =
technology has moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that =
DeWalt has quit making 18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools =
using an adapter that allows their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in =
the 18v tools. I have one of the adapters and, while it works, makes the =
tools a bit awkward. There are after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the =
market. Does anyone have experience with any of them, good or bad?=20
 =20
Thanks in advance.=20
 =20
Peace,=20
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Thanks, Eric. I=E2=80=99ve checked with some of the rebuilders & =
they say they can only do NiCad batteries.=C2=A0 I really like the =
reduced weight of the Li-Ion batteries so want to stay with them if =
possible. I have a couple coming in today that I bought on Amazon so =
I=E2=80=99ll be able to check them out soon. If desired I can post how =
they work our. The last Ni-Mh batteries I bought worked fine until they =
develop a bad connection from being dropped. Repaired the connection =
& they worked again. 
 
Peace,
Pat
 
From:=
 =
eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com] 
Sent: Monday, =
April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
To: =
Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Cc: Pat Horne
Subject: Re: =
[Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
 
I used a =
service that did the battery replacement.  For the hassle of =
sending my unit in, waiting and getting it back, then having the =
contacts corrode within a year, I wouldn't do it again. =


I would just =
do it myself.  You can buy the battery cells for cheap (and upgrade =
Ahr) and solder them yourself.  It's fairly straight =
 forward. 


Sent =
from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as =
beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being =
are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph =
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt? 



=
From:        Pat Horne via =
Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> 
=
To:        <shop-talk@=
autox.team.net> 
=
Date:        04/29/2019 =
09:50 AM 
=
Subject:        [Shop-talk] =
DeWalt 18V battery replacement 
=
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k" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> =




I=E2=80=99v=
e been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery technology has =
moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit =
making 18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter =
that allows their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I =
have one of the adapters and, while it works, makes the tools a bit =
awkward. There are after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does =
anyone have experience with any of them, good or bad? 
  
Thanks in =
advance. 
  
Peace, 
Pat<=
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:30:53 -0400
To: Pat Horne 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk 
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Howdy,

I don't know how big a deal this really is, but I've heard that the tools
designed for Li-Ion batteries have protection circuits / smarts so that
they don't over-discharge the Li-Ion battery or whatever.  I've certainly
heard of Li-Ion batteries catching fire / whatever if they're abused.

Because of that, when my 18v NiCad Milwaukee stuff needed some love about 4
months back I bit the bullet and upgraded to the new Li-Ion tool hotness.
It wasn't the cheapest thing I've ever done, but I'm super happy about the
improvements in cordless tools in past the 8 to 15 years.  Much lighter
weight, more power, and more runtime.  Hard to go wrong with any of that.
:-)

Mark

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Eric. I=E2=80=99ve checked with some of the rebuilders & they say=
 they can
> only do NiCad batteries.  I really like the reduced weight of the Li-Ion
> batteries so want to stay with them if possible. I have a couple coming i=
n
> today that I bought on Amazon so I=E2=80=99ll be able to check them out s=
oon. If
> desired I can post how they work our. The last Ni-Mh batteries I bought
> worked fine until they develop a bad connection from being dropped.
> Repaired the connection & they worked again.
>
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> *From:* eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> *Cc:* Pat Horne
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
>
>
>
> I used a service that did the battery replacement.  For the hassle of
> sending my unit in, waiting and getting it back, then having the contacts
> corrode within a year, I wouldn't do it again.
>
> I would just do it myself.  You can buy the battery cells for cheap (and
> upgrade Ahr) and solder them yourself.  It's fairly straight  forward.
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt?
>
>
>
> From:        Pat Horne via Shop-talk 
> To:        
> Date:        04/29/2019 09:50 AM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery tech=
nology
> has moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit
> making 18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter that
> allows their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I have one
> of the adapters and, while it works, makes the tools a bit awkward. There
> are after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does anyone have
> experience with any of them, good or bad?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Peace,
> Pat_______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Howdy,

I don't know how big a deal =
this really is, but I've heard that the tools designed for Li-Ion batte=
ries have protection circuits / smarts so that they don't over-discharg=
e the Li-Ion battery or whatever.=C2=A0 I've certainly heard of Li-Ion =
batteries catching fire / whatever if they're abused.

Because of=
 that, when my 18v NiCad Milwaukee stuff needed some love about 4 months ba=
ck I bit the bullet and upgraded to the new Li-Ion tool hotness.=C2=A0 It w=
asn't the cheapest thing I've ever done, but I'm super happy ab=
out the improvements in cordless tools in past the 8 to 15 years.=C2=A0 Muc=
h lighter weight, more power, and more runtime.=C2=A0 Hard to go wrong with=
 any of that.=C2=A0 :-)

Mark

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM P=
at Horne via Shop-talk <shop=
-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Thanks, Eric. I=E2=80=99v=
e checked with some of the rebuilders & they say they can only do NiCad=
 batteries.=C2=A0 I really like the reduced weight of the Li-Ion batteries =
so want to stay with them if possible. I have a couple coming in today that=
 I bought on Amazon so I=E2=80=99ll be able to check them out soon. If desi=
red I can post how they work our. The last Ni-Mh batteries I bought worked =
fine until they develop a bad connection from being dropped. Repaired the c=
onnection & they worked again. 
=C2=A0
Peace,
Pat=

=C2=A0
From:<=
/span> eric@megageek.com [=
mailto:eric@megageek=
.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.=
team.net
Cc: Pat Horne
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeW=
alt 18V battery replacement
=C2=A0
I used a service that did the battery=
 replacement.=C2=A0 For the hassle of sending my unit in, waiting and getti=
ng it back, then having the contacts corrode within a year, I wouldn't =
do it again. 

I would just do it myself.=C2=A0 You can buy the battery cells=
 for cheap (and upgrade Ahr) and solder them yourself.=C2=A0 It's fairl=
y straight =C2=A0forward. 


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Mode=
m.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if yo=
ur rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of you=
r territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt? 


From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pat Horne via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.te=
am.net> 
To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<shop-talk@autox.team.net=
> 
Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A004/29/2019 09:50 AM 
Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery rep=
lacement 
Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk"=
; <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> 
=




I=E2=80=99ve been =
using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery technology has moved fro=
m NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit making 18V bat=
teries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter that allows thei=
r 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I have one of the adapt=
ers and, while it works, makes the tools a bit awkward. There are after-mar=
ket 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does anyone have experience with an=
y of them, good or bad? 
=C2=A0 
Thanks in advance. 
=C2=A0 
Peace, 
Pat_______________________________________________Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
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Mark, I considered that route but I don=E2=80=99t have as much need for the t=
ools as I did when I volunteered weekly at Habitat. I know that is blasphemy=
, but I=E2=80=99m now 71 @ mostly need the tools around the place so a tool u=
pgrade isn=E2=80=99t worth it.=20

Thanks for the suggestion though!

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Mark Andy  wrote:

Howdy,

I don't know how big a deal this really is, but I've heard that the tools de=
signed for Li-Ion batteries have protection circuits / smarts so that they d=
on't over-discharge the Li-Ion battery or whatever.  I've certainly heard of=
 Li-Ion batteries catching fire / whatever if they're abused.

Because of that, when my 18v NiCad Milwaukee stuff needed some love about 4 m=
onths back I bit the bullet and upgraded to the new Li-Ion tool hotness.  It=
 wasn't the cheapest thing I've ever done, but I'm super happy about the imp=
rovements in cordless tools in past the 8 to 15 years.  Much lighter weight,=
 more power, and more runtime.  Hard to go wrong with any of that.  :-)

Mark

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk  wrote:
> Thanks, Eric. I=E2=80=99ve checked with some of the rebuilders & they say t=
hey can only do NiCad batteries.  I really like the reduced weight of the Li=
-Ion batteries so want to stay with them if possible. I have a couple coming=
 in today that I bought on Amazon so I=E2=80=99ll be able to check them out s=
oon. If desired I can post how they work our. The last Ni-Mh batteries I bou=
ght worked fine until they develop a bad connection from being dropped. Repa=
ired the connection & they worked again.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Peace,
>=20
> Pat
>=20
> =20
>=20
> From: eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Cc: Pat Horne
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I used a service that did the battery replacement.  For the hassle of send=
ing my unit in, waiting and getting it back, then having the contacts corrod=
e within a year, I wouldn't do it again.=20
>=20
> I would just do it myself.  You can buy the battery cells for cheap (and u=
pgrade Ahr) and solder them yourself.  It's fairly straight  forward.=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b=
eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E=
merson=20
> -Who is John Galt?=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From:        Pat Horne via Shop-talk =20
> To:        =20
> Date:        04/29/2019 09:50 AM=20
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V battery replacement=20
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve been using the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery techn=
ology has moved from NiCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has q=
uit making 18V batteries & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter tha=
t allows their 20v Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I have one o=
f the adapters and, while it works, makes the tools a bit awkward. There are=
 after-market 18v li-Ion batteries on the market. Does anyone have experienc=
e with any of them, good or bad?=20
>  =20
> Thanks in advance.=20
>  =20
> Peace,=20
> Pat_______________________________________________
>=20
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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egageek.com
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Mark, I considered that route but I don=E2=80=
=99t have as much need for the tools as I did when I volunteered weekly at H=
abitat. I know that is blasphemy, but I=E2=80=99m now 71 @ mostly need the t=
ools around the place so a tool upgrade isn=E2=80=99t worth it. 
Thanks for the suggestion though!

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
=
We support Habitat for Humanity

<=
br>On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> wrote:

Howdy,

I don't know how big a deal this real=
ly is, but I've heard that the tools designed for Li-Ion batteries have prot=
ection circuits / smarts so that they don't over-discharge the Li-Ion batter=
y or whatever.  I've certainly heard of Li-Ion batteries catching fire /=
 whatever if they're abused.

Because of that, when my 18v NiCad Milwa=
ukee stuff needed some love about 4 months back I bit the bullet and upgrade=
d to the new Li-Ion tool hotness.  It wasn't the cheapest thing I've ev=
er done, but I'm super happy about the improvements in cordless tools in pas=
t the 8 to 15 years.  Much lighter weight, more power, and more runtime=
.  Hard to go wrong with any of that.  :-)

Mark
=

On Mon,=
 Apr 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM Pat Horne via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Thanks,=
 Eric. I=E2=80=99ve checked with some of the rebuilders & they say they c=
an only do NiCad batteries.  I really like the reduced weight of the Li=
-Ion batteries so want to stay with them if possible. I have a couple coming=
 in today that I bought on Amazon so I=E2=80=99ll be able to check them out s=
oon. If desired I can post how they work our. The last Ni-Mh batteries I bou=
ght worked fine until they develop a bad connection from being dropped. Repa=
ired the connection & they worked again. 
 
Peace,
Pat<=
/u>
 
From: eric@megageek.com [mail=
to:eric@megageek.com<=
/a>] 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net=

Cc: Pat Horne
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DeWalt 18V b=
attery replacement
<=
/u> 
I used a service that did the battery replacement=
.  For the hassle of sending my unit in, waiting and getting it back, t=
hen having the contacts corrode within a year, I wouldn't do it again. 

I woul=
d just do it myself.  You can buy the battery cells for cheap (and upgr=
ade Ahr) and solder them yourself.  It's fairly straight  forward.=
 

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Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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eneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are t=
renched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? 



From:       &=
nbsp;Pat=
 Horne via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> 
To:     &=
nbsp;  <shop-t=
alk@autox.team.net> 
Date:        =
04/29/20=
19 09:50 AM 
Subject:        [Shop-talk] DeWalt 1=
8V battery replacement 
Sent by:        <=
/span>"Shop-tal=
k" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> 



I=E2=80=99ve been u=
sing the DeWalt 18v tools for many years. Battery technology has moved from N=
iCad through NMh to Li-Ion. It seems that DeWalt has quit making 18V batteri=
es & now supports their 18v tools using an adapter that allows their 20v=
 Li-Ion batteries to be used in the 18v tools. I have one of the adapters an=
d, while it works, makes the tools a bit awkward. There are after-market 18v=
 li-Ion batteries on the market. Does anyone have experience with any of the=
m, good or bad? 
  
Thanks in advance. 
  
Peace, 
Pat_______________________________________________

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