Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters

From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:59:58 -0800

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I'll bite.  First, what do you mean by 'due?'  Is your current one 
sprouting new life forms?  Or is it just 'cause the owner's manual says 
'Change thy cabin air filter every 30,000 miles, else Thor will come 
down from Olympus and smite thee with his hammer?'

Seriousness aside, if your cabin HVAC system is functioning properly; 
i.e. no unintended holes, oil leaks, etc. a filter will keep some dust 
and dirt out of your cabin, so it will stay just a bit cleaner.  If you 
live in a dusty environment; say, the Mojave or parts of Nevada, you'd 
probably want to change it more often than the 'book' says.  If you live 
in a really humid place; say, Seattle you might want to change it more 
often too, to keep mildew spores down.  Otherwise, you can probably go 
100K miles without messin' with it (esp. if it's a PITA to get to--most 
are).  I've tried the ones with activated charcoal embedded in them, and 
I did think the cabin air smelled a bit fresher for a while--placebo 
effect, maybe--but it's just a little bit of charcoal and probably gets 
saturated in a couple hundred miles anyway.

Also, it's fourteen bucks!  You can probably get them in bulk for 
cheaper from RockAuto, Amazon, etc. (but you DO get what you pay for).

Bob

On 3/8/2019 11:29 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'
>
> It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need 
> them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am 
> I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of 
> them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> -Who is John Galt? 

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    <p>I'll bite.  First, what do you mean by 'due?'  Is your current
      one sprouting new life forms?  Or is it just 'cause the owner's
      manual says 'Change thy cabin air filter every 30,000 miles, else
      Thor will come down from Olympus and smite thee with his hammer?'</p>
    <p>Seriousness aside, if your cabin HVAC system is functioning
      properly; i.e. no unintended holes, oil leaks, etc. a filter will
      keep some dust and dirt out of your cabin, so it will stay just a
      bit cleaner.  If you live in a dusty environment; say, the Mojave
      or parts of Nevada, you'd probably want to change it more often
      than the 'book' says.  If you live in a really humid place; say,
      Seattle you might want to change it more often too, to keep mildew
      spores down.  Otherwise, you can probably go 100K miles without
      messin' with it (esp. if it's a PITA to get to--most are).  I've
      tried the ones with activated charcoal embedded in them, and I did
      think the cabin air smelled a bit fresher for a while--placebo
      effect, maybe--but it's just a little bit of charcoal and probably
      gets saturated in a couple hundred miles anyway.</p>
    <p>Also, it's fourteen bucks!  You can probably get them in bulk for
      cheaper from RockAuto, Amazon, etc. (but you DO get what you pay
      for).</p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2019 11:29 AM, eric--- via
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, so my Ford Explorer is due
        for a new
        'cabin air filter.'</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But
        my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it
        and
        leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have
        'filtered'
        air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But
        is there anything it is protecting?  </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks in advance!</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
        <br>
        Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
        Tech Viper<br>
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        rational
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        Ralph
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:04:43 -0500

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Living in the northeast, I really appreciate the salt dust being =
filtered out of my cabin, as well as regular road dust. I am a big fan.=20=

However, the Mini had theirs exposed so the mice routinely saw it as a =
nice foyer. It needs to be implemented well.

jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Living in the northeast, I really appreciate the salt dust being filtered out of my cabin, as well as regular road dust. I am a big fan.&nbsp;<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, the Mini had theirs exposed so the mice routinely saw it as a nice foyer. It needs to be implemented well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jim</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 8, 2019, at 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class="">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new
'cabin air filter.'</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">It's $14 bucks, so I got it. &nbsp;But
my question is, do you really need them? &nbsp;Can I just remove it and
leave it out? &nbsp;I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered'
air. &nbsp;In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane. &nbsp;But
is there anything it is protecting? &nbsp;</font>
<br class="">
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">Thanks in advance!</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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I went to change the cabin air filter in my Ford Expedition and I 
found out that it doesn't have one.  Do Explorer drivers have more 
sensitive lungs than Expedition drivers?  If the filter is just a 
square of filter material, I would think you could leave it out.  If 
it includes a plastic piece that essentially seals the slot in the 
housing, then you might want to keep that and just remove the filter 
media part.

-Steve T.

At 02:29 PM 3/8/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor 
>am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole 
>idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?
>
>Thanks in advance!

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I went to change the cabin air filter in my Ford Expedition and I found
out that it doesn't have one.&nbsp; Do Explorer drivers have more
sensitive lungs than Expedition drivers?&nbsp; If the filter is just a
square of filter material, I would think you could leave it out.&nbsp; If
it includes a plastic piece that essentially seals the slot in the
housing, then you might want to keep that and just remove the filter
media part.&nbsp; <br><br>
-Steve T.<br><br>
At 02:29 PM 3/8/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>OK, so my Ford
Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'</font> <br><br>
<font size=2>It's $14 bucks, so I got it.&nbsp; But my question is, do
you really need them?&nbsp; Can I just remove it and leave it out?&nbsp;
I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.&nbsp; In fact,
I think the whole idea of them is insane.&nbsp; But is there anything it
is protecting?&nbsp; </font> <br><br>
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The cabin filter also keeps the ducts and heater core clean.  I'd keep 
it in.

Brian

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    The cabin filter also keeps the ducts and heater core clean.  I'd
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:57:21 -0500

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I've found leaf fragments and an occasional dead bug on the intake side 
of my filter.  I'd think at minimum you'd probably want some kind of 
screen mesh in place to catch debris.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I've found leaf fragments and an
      occasional dead bug on the intake side of my filter.  I'd think at
      minimum you'd probably want some kind of screen mesh in place to
      catch debris.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/19 2:29 PM, eric--- via
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, so my Ford Explorer is due
        for a new
        'cabin air filter.'</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But
        my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it
        and
        leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have
        'filtered'
        air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But
        is there anything it is protecting?  </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks in advance!</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
        <br>
        Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
        Tech Viper<br>
        "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
        rational
        being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
        Ralph
        Waldo Emerson <br>
        -Who is John Galt?</font>
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	In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every =
winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they =
wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing =
I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this =
spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin =
filter.  Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
	Best,
	Bob

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Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and the =
acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through =
the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve =
got the loudest ventilating fan in town. &nbsp;I think that this spring =
I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter. =
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">I've found leaf fragments and an
      occasional dead bug on the intake side of my filter.&nbsp; I'd =
think at
      minimum you'd probably want some kind of screen mesh in place to
      catch debris.</div>
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      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">OK, so my Ford =
Explorer is due
        for a new
        'cabin air filter.'</font>
      <br class=3D"">
      <br class=3D"">
      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">It's $14 bucks, so =
I got it. &nbsp;But
        my question is, do you really need them? &nbsp;Can I just remove =
it
        and
        leave it out? &nbsp;I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have
        'filtered'
        air. &nbsp;In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane. =
&nbsp;But
        is there anything it is protecting? &nbsp;</font>
      <br class=3D"">
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      <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Thanks in =
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      <br class=3D"">
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From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 06:46:33 -0800

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"Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good."

It isn't:

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html

Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring?

On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote:
> In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and 
> the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear 
> through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing 
> I’ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this 
> spring I’ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter. 
>  Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good.
> Best,
> Bob
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    <p>"Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good."</p>
    <p>It isn't:</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html">https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html</a></p>
    <p>Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring?</p>
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      Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and
      the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear
      through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing
      I’ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this
      spring I’ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin
      filter.  Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good.
      <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div>
      <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br
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From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:52:49 -0500

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The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through =
each time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and =
droppings have been there over months.  I=E2=80=99ve never seen any =
evidence of the mice in the truck except in the filter element.  I have =
no idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over the intake by =
the windshield.

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> "Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good."
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> It isn't:
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fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through each =
time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings =
have been there over months. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve never seen any evidence =
of the mice in the truck except in the filter element. &nbsp;I have no =
idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over the intake by the =
windshield.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"">"Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good."</p><p =
class=3D"">It isn't:</p><p class=3D""><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html">https://www.cdc.gov/han=
tavirus/index.html</a></p><p class=3D"">Why not just clean the fan and =
replace the filter every spring?</p><p class=3D""><br class=3D"">
    </p>
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via
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</span>In my
      Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and
      the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear
      through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing
      I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town. &nbsp;I =
think that this
      spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the =
cabin
      filter. &nbsp;Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
      <div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div>
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From: David Scheidt via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:28:18 -0600

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 09:52, Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through each time I’ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings have been there over months.  I’ve never seen any evidence of the mice in the truck except in the filter element.  I have no idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over the intake by the windshield.

You think not having a filter will keep them away?  

I suggest poisoning them. 

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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 20:01:49 -0500

Trapping is better. Poisoned mice go to die where pets and wildlife eat 
them and get poisoned.

Donald.
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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 20:03:11 -0500

Can you put a bit of hardware cloth across the filter? (I can't imagine 
how they are getting in either. Unless they are going from inside the 
cabin - highly unlikely.)

Donald.
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On 2019-03-09 10:52 a.m., Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk wrote:
> The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through 
> each time I’ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings 
> have been there over months.  I’ve never seen any evidence of the mice 
> in the truck except in the filter element.  I have no idea how they get 
> in or out as there is a grate over the intake by the windshield.
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk 
>> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:56:14 -0500

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Have you tried a repellent like FreshCab?

Fresh Cab Botanical Rodent Repellent 4 Scent Pouches - EPA Registered, Keeps=
 Mice Out https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L236OMW/ref=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_api_i_33.GCb=
1FZJ0X4

A friend stores his fishing boat in the hay barn and swears by the stuff.

-Paul

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through ea=
ch time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings h=
ave been there over months.  I=E2=80=99ve never seen any evidence of the mic=
e in the truck except in the filter element.  I have no idea how they get in=
 or out as there is a grate over the intake by the windshield.
>=20
>> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
>>> 	In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter a=
nd the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through=
 the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve got=
 the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this spring I=E2=80=99ll=
 remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter.  Inhaling mouse d=
rippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Have you tried a repellent like FreshCab?<d=
iv><br></div><div>Fresh Cab Botanical Rodent Repellent 4 Scent Pouches - EPA=
 Registered, Keeps Mice Out <a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L236OMW/=
ref=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_api_i_33.GCb1FZJ0X4">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L236OMW/r=
ef=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_api_i_33.GCb1FZJ0X4</a></div><div><br></div><div>A friend st=
ores his fishing boat in the hay barn and swears by the stuff.<br><br><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">-Paul</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 9=
, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" c=
ontent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">The fan is a bear to R and R and the f=
ilter has been eaten/worn through each time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that=
 the mice, the nuts, and droppings have been there over months. &nbsp;I=E2=80=
=99ve never seen any evidence of the mice in the truck except in the filter e=
lement. &nbsp;I have no idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over=
 the intake by the windshield.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Sp=
idell via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D=
"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchan=
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    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
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 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D""><p class=3D"">"Inhali=
ng mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good."</p><p class=3D"">It isn't:</p><p c=
lass=3D""><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.cdc.gov/han=
tavirus/index.html">https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html</a></p><p clas=
s=3D"">Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring?</p><p=
 class=3D""><br class=3D"">
    </p>
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y
      Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and
      the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear
      through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing
      I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town. &nbsp;I think th=
at this
      spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin=

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