Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls

From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:20:52 -0400 03/25/2019 01:20:50 PM, Serialize complete at 03/25/2019 01:20:50 PM

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First, I think we all need to start telling congress to FIX THIS ISSUE or 
vote them out.  It would be easy to fix it, but they don't want to upset 
their campaigning.

There are lots of things you NEED to do to get *some* results.  First, 
register on the do not call list...
https://www.donotcall.gov/

Now, when you get a call.  DO NOT ANSWER IT--- EVER!!!!!!

If you don't know the number, DO NOT ANSWER- PERIOD.  If it's important, 
they will leave a message.

You can report calls to...
https://www.donotcall.gov/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

And often filing this is more of a hassle, but I have seen some types of 
calls stop.

You more than likely have a 'call blocking' option on the line 
(conveniently, there is a charge for this service in most cases.)  Use 
that for repeat callers.

NOTE TO PIXEL USERS (and I'm sure some other cell phone manufactures) they 
have built in call blocking for free.

Don't forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the 
rules.  Best thing to do is to keep you number to yourself as best as you 
can (NEVER put it on a courtesy card or anything like that.)

Good luc...

Oh wait, my phone is ringing.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">First, I think we all need to start telling
congress to FIX THIS ISSUE or vote them out. &nbsp;It would be easy to
fix it, but they don't want to upset their campaigning.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">There are lots of things you NEED to
do to get *some* results. &nbsp;First, register on the do not call list...</font>
<br><a href=https://www.donotcall.gov/><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://www.donotcall.gov/</font></a>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Now, when you get a call. &nbsp;DO NOT
ANSWER IT--- EVER!!!!!!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If you don't know the number, DO NOT
ANSWER- PERIOD. &nbsp;If it's important, they will leave a message.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You can report calls to...</font>
<br><a href=https://www.donotcall.gov/><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://www.donotcall.gov/</font></a>
<br><a href=https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt</font></a>
<br><a href="https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us</font></a>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">And often filing this is more of a hassle,
but I have seen some types of calls stop.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You more than likely have a 'call blocking'
option on the line (conveniently, there is a charge for this service in
most cases.) &nbsp;Use that for repeat callers.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">NOTE TO PIXEL USERS (and I'm sure some
other cell phone manufactures) &nbsp;they have built in call blocking for
free.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Don't forget, many of these are scam
calls, so they do not play by the rules. &nbsp;Best thing to do is to keep
you number to yourself as best as you can (NEVER put it on a courtesy card
or anything like that.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Good luc...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Oh wait, my phone is ringing.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:38:25 -0400

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Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well, has =
now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out that that =
their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed are far =
less than the profits from running a successful scam.  If you cell =
carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect app.  It =
isn=E2=80=99t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may have something =
similar.  Your cellphone should also allow you to block call from the =
spoof number, although that would also block any legitimate calls from =
BOA.  Personally, I set up a contact group list on my mobile called =
=E2=80=9CIgnore this Call=E2=80=9D and add numbers to it anytime I get a =
telemarketing call; being able to actively ignore them gives me more =
satisfaction than not allowing them to connect.  It is childish, but I =
still do it.

One other thing, just FWIW.  I didn=E2=80=99t change my cell number when =
I moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still Area Code 314.  That =
turns out to be a very good thing, as most spoof calls come in with that =
area code (and, more often than not, the same exchange as my phone).  I =
now ignore any calls from 314 that are not in my contact list and have =
yet to miss a real call.  You can have any area code you want on a cell =
phone.  Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely =
get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.

Hope this helps,
Jim

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home =
phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a =
limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an =
associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell =
him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a =
week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got =
bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally =
spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their =
number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was nothing they =
could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no =
incouragement that that would stop the calls
> =20
> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t=
 seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and =
haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet...   come on =
phone/tech/gurus... little help here
> =20
> thanks
> John
> =20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very =
well, has now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out =
that that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed =
are far less than the profits from running a successful scam. &nbsp;If =
you cell carrier is AT&amp;T, you can try downloading their Call Protect =
app. &nbsp;It isn=E2=80=99t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may =
have something similar. &nbsp;Your cellphone should also allow you to =
block call from the spoof number, although that would also block any =
legitimate calls from BOA. &nbsp;Personally, I set up a contact group =
list on my mobile called =E2=80=9CIgnore this Call=E2=80=9D and add =
numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing call; being able to actively =
ignore them gives me more satisfaction than not allowing them to =
connect. &nbsp;It is childish, but I still do it.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">One other thing, just FWIW. &nbsp;I =
didn=E2=80=99t change my cell number when I moved from St. Louis to New =
York, so it is still Area Code 314. &nbsp;That turns out to be a very =
good thing, as most spoof calls come in with that area code (and, more =
often than not, the same exchange as my phone). &nbsp;I now ignore any =
calls from 314 that are not in my contact list and have yet to miss a =
real call. &nbsp;You can have any area code you want on a cell phone. =
&nbsp;Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely get =
an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Hope this =
helps,</div><div class=3D"">Jim</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, =
john niolon via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells =
phones and home phone=20
offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited =
time to reply... when I=20
press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign =
being speaking almost=20
english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls =
are two to=20
three times a week and sometimes twice a day.&nbsp; Today I called their =
800=20
number and got bank of america.&nbsp; After three failed attempts and a =
call=20
back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they =
mask=20
their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.&nbsp; She said there was =
nothing they=20
could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no =
incouragement=20
that that would stop the calls</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Is there anywhere I can take this to get it =
resolved...&nbsp; I can=E2=80=99t seem=20
to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and =
haven=E2=80=99t found a=20
way on the cells yet...&nbsp;&nbsp; come on phone/tech/gurus... little =
help=20
here</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">thanks</div>
<div class=3D"">John</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div></div></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:40:50 -0400

If the number doesn't show up with a name attached, meaning you are
already in my address book, then I don't answer.  If it's legit, they
will leave a message, and I call them back.

If I'm bored, I'll answer, and press 1 for a human.  Then when they
answer, I ask them what they're wearing.  They get mad and hang up.
Doesn't reduce the number of calls, but I have fun.

Almost 5 billion robocalls last month, according to this source:
https://robocallindex.com/  And they can spoof the number to look like
almost anything.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:06 PM john niolon via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone offering me “lower credit card rates” and have a limited time to reply... when I press “1” to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
>
> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here
>
> thanks
> John
>
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From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:57:28 -0400

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John,
	Try nomorobo.  I=E2=80=99ve been using this free service for =
years and it cuts the number of rob calls that get through way down.
	www.nomorobo.com
	Take care.
	Bob
> John
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class=3D"">John,<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Try nomorobo. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve =
been using this free service for years and it cuts the number of rob =
calls that get through way down.</div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre;">	</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.nomorobo.com" =
class=3D"">www.nomorobo.com</a></span></div><div class=3D""><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Take =
care.</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Bob<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells =
phones and home phone=20
offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited =
time to reply... when I=20
press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign =
being speaking almost=20
english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls =
are two to=20
three times a week and sometimes twice a day.&nbsp; Today I called their =
800=20
number and got bank of america.&nbsp; After three failed attempts and a =
call=20
back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they =
mask=20
their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.&nbsp; She said there was =
nothing they=20
could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no =
incouragement=20
that that would stop the calls</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Is there anywhere I can take this to get it =
resolved...&nbsp; I can=E2=80=99t seem=20
to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and =
haven=E2=80=99t found a=20
way on the cells yet...&nbsp;&nbsp; come on phone/tech/gurus... little =
help=20
here</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">thanks</div>
<div class=3D"">John</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div></div></div>
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From: PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:16 +0000

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My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a=
dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i=
t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a "bloc=
k caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings.

Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo=
r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.

I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up t=
he phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at that=
 number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/scammers=
.

Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway. =
Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the i=
ssue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their custo=
mers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realiz=
e this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't adopt a solution soon.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of john niolon=
 via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls

for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone offe=
ring me =93lower credit card rates=94 and have a limited time to reply... w=
hen I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speakin=
g almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these ca=
lls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I calle=
d their 800 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts an=
d a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and=
 they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was n=
othing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no =
incouragement that that would stop the calls

Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can=92t seem to =
block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=92t fou=
nd a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here

thanks
John

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My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a=
dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i=
t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a &quot=
;block caller&quot; option at the bottom.
 previously it was buried in the settings.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo=
r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up t=
he phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at that=
 number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/scammers=
.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway. =
Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the i=
ssue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their custo=
mers about this, and have most likely
 reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if th=
ey don't adopt a solution soon.</div>
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[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM<br>
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<div>for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone=
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... when I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being sp=
eaking almost english and when I tell him
 to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an=
d sometimes twice a day.&nbsp; Today I called their 800 number and got bank=
 of america.&nbsp; After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp=
oke to a person and she told me it was a scam
 and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.&nbsp; She said th=
ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of=
fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...&nbsp; I can=92=
t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and hav=
en=92t found a way on the cells yet...&nbsp;&nbsp; come on phone/tech/gurus=
... little help here</div>
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From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
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One more item I=E2=80=99d like to add.  We use MagicJack for our =
landline number (we=E2=80=99ve had it for=20
nearly 35 years) and it only costs us $20/year plus lots of other =
plusses.  However, my point=20
is they (for free) challenge every incoming caller to =E2=80=9Cpush =
number ? to complete this call=E2=80=9D.  This=20
blocks the automated dialers and has been a real plus for us.

Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com

=20
From: eric--- via Shop-talk=20
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 10:20 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls
First, I think we all need to start telling congress to FIX THIS ISSUE =
or vote them out.  It would be easy to fix it, but they don't want to =
upset their campaigning.=20

There are lots of things you NEED to do to get *some* results.  First, =
register on the do not call list...=20
https://www.donotcall.gov/=20

Now, when you get a call.  DO NOT ANSWER IT--- EVER!!!!!!=20

If you don't know the number, DO NOT ANSWER- PERIOD.  If it's important, =
they will leave a message.=20

You can report calls to...=20
https://www.donotcall.gov/=20
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt=20
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us=20

And often filing this is more of a hassle, but I have seen some types of =
calls stop.=20

You more than likely have a 'call blocking' option on the line =
(conveniently, there is a charge for this service in most cases.)  Use =
that for repeat callers.=20

NOTE TO PIXEL USERS (and I'm sure some other cell phone manufactures)  =
they have built in call blocking for free.=20

Don't forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the =
rules.  Best thing to do is to keep you number to yourself as best as =
you can (NEVER put it on a courtesy card or anything like that.)=20

Good luc...=20

Oh wait, my phone is ringing.=20

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20
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calls</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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to...</FONT> <BR><A href=3D"https://www.donotcall.gov/"><FONT =
color=3Dblue size=3D2=20
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for repeat callers.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif>NOTE =
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face=3Dsans-serif>Don't=20
forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the =
rules.&nbsp;=20
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(NEVER put=20
it on a courtesy card or anything like that.)</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
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my phone is ringing.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2 =
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my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<BR>Tech Viper<BR>"Be as beneficent =
as the=20
sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, =
die on=20
the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson <BR>-Who is John=20
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From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:35:41 -0400

The short of it is that there is nothing you can do that will be
effective. Don't answer. If you do answer (I have a number for my
business that I have to answer because I get legitimate calls from
people I don't know) then don't speak or press any buttons. Your
interaction makes your number more valuable and it will be sold/traded
to other shady marketers and scammers. There's almost no point in
blocking numbers because the 'good' scammers will never call you from
that number again.

The way to fix this is to stop number spoofing so that there will be
traceability/accountability for callers. This is technically very easy
but the telecom companies have no financial incentive to flip that
switch and this is a place where I feel like congress is failing us.

99.99% of these calls are either predatory or outright scams and they
cost everybody something (if not just annoyance and inconvenience) and
vulnerable people huge amounts of money. They could be all-but
eliminated with some good legislation requiring the telecoms to
prevent number spoofing and restricting anonymous calling.

/rant.

-Paul

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:09 PM john niolon via Shop-talk
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:55:59 -0700

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  I have a iPhone, I am sure Androids have the same setup.

  I put my iPhone on Do Not Disturb, it was supposed to be something you 
set up so your phone does not ring in the middle of the night but I have 
it on 24 hours a day, it is set so anyone in my contact list can get 
through but all other calls are sent off to voice mail.  I do have to 
remember to turn it off sometimes if I am expecting a call from someone 
not in my contact list, but my contact list now has over 300 people in it.
     mike

On 3/25/2019 10:38 AM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
> Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well, has 
> now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out that 
> that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed are 
> far less than the profits from running a successful scam.  If you cell 
> carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect app.  It 
> isn’t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may have something 
> similar.  Your cellphone should also allow you to block call from the 
> spoof number, although that would also block any legitimate calls from 
> BOA.  Personally, I set up a contact group list on my mobile called 
> “Ignore this Call” and add numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing 
> call; being able to actively ignore them gives me more satisfaction 
> than not allowing them to connect.  It is childish, but I still do it.
>
> One other thing, just FWIW.  I didn’t change my cell number when I 
> moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still Area Code 314.  That 
> turns out to be a very good thing, as most spoof calls come in with 
> that area code (and, more often than not, the same exchange as my 
> phone).  I now ignore any calls from 314 that are not in my contact 
> list and have yet to miss a real call.  You can have any area code you 
> want on a cell phone.  Changing your number is a drastic step, but I 
> would definitely get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Jim
>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk 
>>
>> for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone 
>> offering me “lower credit card rates” and have a limited time to 
>> reply... when I press “1” to speak to an associate, I get a foreign 
>> being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling 
>> they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes 
>> twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of 
>> america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke 
>> to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number 
>> and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they could 
>> do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no 
>> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem 
>> to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and 
>> haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... 
>> little help here
>> thanks
>> John
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> I have a iPhone, I am sure Androids
      have the same setup.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> I put my iPhone on Do Not Disturb, it
      was supposed to be something you set up so your phone does not
      ring in the middle of the night but I have it on 24 hours a day,
      it is set so anyone in my contact list can get through but all
      other calls are sent off to voice mail.  I do have to remember to
      turn it off sometimes if I am expecting a call from someone not in
      my contact list, but my contact list now has over 300 people in
      it.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">    mike</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/2019 10:38 AM, Jim Stone via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well,
      has now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out
      that that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines
      assessed are far less than the profits from running a successful
      scam.  If you cell carrier is AT&amp;T, you can try downloading
      their Call Protect app.  It isn’t perfect, but it helps. Other
      carriers may have something similar.  Your cellphone should also
      allow you to block call from the spoof number, although that would
      also block any legitimate calls from BOA.  Personally, I set up a
      contact group list on my mobile called “Ignore this Call” and add
      numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing call; being able to
      actively ignore them gives me more satisfaction than not allowing
      them to connect.  It is childish, but I still do it.
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">One other thing, just FWIW.  I didn’t change my cell
        number when I moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still
        Area Code 314.  That turns out to be a very good thing, as most
        spoof calls come in with that area code (and, more often than
        not, the same exchange as my phone).  I now ignore any calls
        from 314 that are not in my contact list and have yet to miss a
        real call.  You can have any area code you want on a cell phone.
         Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely
        get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Hope this helps,</div>
      <div class="">Jim</div>
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                    <div class="">for some time I’ve been getting calls
                      on cells phones and home phone offering me “lower
                      credit card rates” and have a limited time to
                      reply... when I press “1” to speak to an
                      associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost
                      english and when I tell him to stop calling they
                      hang up..these calls are two to three times a week
                      and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their
                      800 number and got bank of america.  After three
                      failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to
                      a person and she told me it was a scam and they
                      mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number. 
                      She said there was nothing they could do... but
                      put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no
                      incouragement that that would stop the calls</div>
                    <div class=""> </div>
                    <div class="">Is there anywhere I can take this to
                      get it resolved...  I can’t seem to block the
                      number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number
                      and haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come
                      on phone/tech/gurus... little help here</div>
                    <div class=""> </div>
                    <div class="">thanks</div>
                    <div class="">John</div>
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I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't a
personal friend asks for a phone number, they get the land line number
(businesses, filling out forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to
screen the nonsense. I block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls
on it other than from my contacts.

Tom

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and
> add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has mad=
e
> it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a
> "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the
> settings.
>
> Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free
> for our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.
>
> I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up
> the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at
> that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other
> spammer/scammers.
>
> Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway=
.
> Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the
> issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their
> customers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they
> realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't adopt a solution soon=
.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of john
> niolon via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM
> *To:* shop-talk
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] annoying calls
>
> for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home ph=
one
> offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited =
time to reply...
> when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreig=
n being speaking
> almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these
> calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I
> called their 800 number and got bank of america.  After three failed
> attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it w=
as
> a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said
> there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list bu=
t
> offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
>
> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t =
seem to
> block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=E2=80=
=99t found
> a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here
>
> thanks
> John
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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d of your land line. When anyone that isn&#39;t a personal friend asks for =
a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out form=
s, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I block rob=
ocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than from my contact=
s. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color=
:#0000ff">Tom<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop=
-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a=
dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i=
t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a &quot=
;block caller&quot; option at the bottom.
 previously it was buried in the settings.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo=
r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
I don&#39;t think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick =
up the phone or return a call, you&#39;ve basically validated someone lives=
 at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/=
scammers.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Another would be to cancel your land line if you don&#39;t use it much anyw=
ay. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve t=
he issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their c=
ustomers about this, and have most likely
 reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if th=
ey don&#39;t adopt a solution soon.</div>
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m:</b> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of john =
niolon via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> shop-talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] annoying calls</font>
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0)">
<div>for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home=
 phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a lim=
ited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an assoc=
iate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell him
 to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an=
d sometimes twice a day.=C2=A0 Today I called their 800 number and got bank=
 of america.=C2=A0 After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp=
oke to a person and she told me it was a scam
 and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.=C2=A0 She said th=
ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of=
fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...=C2=A0 I can=E2=
=80=99t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number a=
nd haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet...=C2=A0=C2=A0 come on phon=
e/tech/gurus... little help here</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>thanks</div>
<div>John</div>
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From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:26:58 -0400

You can accomplish the same thing with a Google Voice number, which is
free. Then tell Google to send them all to voicemail, forward them to
another number, or screen them based on whatever criteria you give
them.

-Paul

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 6:07 PM Tom Shirley via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't a personal friend asks for a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than from my contacts.
>
> Tom
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings.
>>
>> Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free for our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.
>>
>> I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/scammers.
>>
>> Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their customers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't adopt a solution soon.
>> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of john niolon via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>>

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From: Donald H Locker via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:33:11 -0400

My default (cell phone) ringtone is silence (a 60-sec recording of 
"nothing") so anyone I don't know doesn't interrupt me. And I never 
answer a number that I don't know because they all have real rings.

Anyone who is not in my list can leave a message and I call back.

Not perfect, but pretty good.

Donald.
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On 2019-03-25 12:29 p.m., john niolon via Shop-talk wrote:
> being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they 
> hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a 
> day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america.  After 
> three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and 
> she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 
> 800 number.  She said there was nothing they could do... but put me on 
> BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would stop 
> the calls
> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem to 
> block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven’t 
> found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little 
> help here
> thanks
> John
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
> 

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From: Randall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:47:47 -0700

We dropped our land line a long time ago, never regretted it.  My smart
phone shows the caller ID in terms of the names in my contact list if there
is a match.  If there is no match, I don't answer the phone.  That way, the
spammers never see an answer.  If they don't leave a coherent message, with
who they are and how to contact them, they don't get a call back either.

I'm not sure if it's just a function of the phone app, or my carrier is
involved; but when I block a number I get the option to report it as spam.  

I can't say for sure that all this does any good, but over the few years
since I got this number, my undesirable calls have dropped from several a
day to less than one a month.  And those are usually wrong numbers by
humans.

-- Randall 

> I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone 
> that isn't a personal friend asks for a phone number, they 
> get the land line number (businesses, filling out forms, 
> etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. 
>

[email-masked]

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From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:22:10 -0700

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Many home phone systems have the option to save the phone number to 
'call block' or similar.  If you notice the same number calling, it may 
be an option for you.

Calls to our home are so bad that we don't answer anything not in our 
phone book or with a caller ID we recognize.  Once upon a time back when 
I answered the phone, I'd see how long I could keep the person on the 
phone.  That was really fun for the telemarketers 'doing work in my 
area'.  I'd ask if they were the ones doing the big house on Main Street 
to quickly ID how fraudulent they were as there is no Main St anywhere 
near me.  I thought about inviting them to give me as estimate at the 
local Sheriff department address, but never did.

Brian

On 3/25/2019 9:29 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk wrote:
> hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice 
> a day. Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america. After 
> BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would 
> stop the calls
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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    Many home phone systems have the option to save the phone number to
    'call block' or similar.  If you notice the same number calling, it
    may be an option for you.<br>
    <br>
    Calls to our home are so bad that we don't answer anything not in
    our phone book or with a caller ID we recognize.  Once upon a time
    back when I answered the phone, I'd see how long I could keep the
    person on the phone.  That was really fun for the telemarketers
    'doing work in my area'.  I'd ask if they were the ones doing the
    big house on Main Street to quickly ID how fraudulent they were as
    there is no Main St anywhere near me.  I thought about inviting them
    to give me as estimate at the local Sheriff department address, but
    never did.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/2019 9:29 AM, john niolon via
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          <div>for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and
            home phone offering me “lower credit card rates” and have a
            limited time to reply... when I press “1” to speak to an
            associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and
            when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls
            are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day. 
            Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america. 
            After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke
            to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask
            their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there
            was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call
            list but offered no incouragement that that would stop the
            calls</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... 
            I can’t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s
            a 800 number and haven’t found a way on the cells yet...  
            come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>thanks</div>
          <div>John</div>
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One of the tricks I used to do (when a person would call you) was to 
pretend like I was really interested in what they were selling.  The 
conversation would go like...

Caller-"Hello, have you thought about vinyl siding?"
Me-"I can't believe it, yes I was.  Hold on, let me find the remote and 
turn off the TV."

Then I would just continue watching TV until they hung up.  Every now and 
then I would pick up the phone and say, "I can't find this stupid remote. 
I'm sorry, hold on."

I would see how long I could keep them going.

Recently, if a person does call, I simply, and very politely ask, "Why do 
you do a job that makes eveyone hate you?  Really, do you enjoy getting 
these calls?  What makes you think anyone else does?  Are you parents 
proud that you have a job annoying people in their homes?"  and I go on.

BTW, back in the 90's, I put up this site on my website...  It was "Fight 
Back!"  a place to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail.
https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf

The stories are still there, and will be as long as I'm alive!

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 003F1715852583C9_=

<font size=2 face="sans-serif">One of the tricks I used to do (when a
person would call you) was to pretend like I was really interested in what
they were selling. &nbsp;The conversation would go like...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Caller-&quot;Hello, have you thought
about vinyl siding?&quot;</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Me-&quot;I can't believe it, yes I was.
&nbsp;Hold on, let me find the remote and turn off the TV.&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Then I would just continue watching
TV until they hung up. &nbsp;Every now and then I would pick up the phone
and say, &quot;I can't find this stupid remote. &nbsp;I'm sorry, hold on.&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I would see how long I could keep them
going.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Recently, if a person does call, I simply,
and very politely ask, &quot;Why do you do a job that makes eveyone hate
you? &nbsp;Really, do you enjoy getting these calls? &nbsp;What makes you
think anyone else does? &nbsp;Are you parents proud that you have a job
annoying people in their homes?&quot; &nbsp;and I go on.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">BTW, back in the 90's, I put up this
site on my website... &nbsp;It was &quot;Fight Back!&quot; &nbsp;a place
to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail.</font>
<br><a href=https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif">https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf</font></a><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The stories are still there, and will
be as long as I'm alive!</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
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From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:29:33 -0400

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	I got an offer form Verizon that offered an app to block spam =
calls for $2.99 a month per line.  So Verizon has taken a major problem =
for its customers and converted to a profit center for itself. =20
	Bob

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Tom Shirley via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't =
a personal friend asks for a phone number, they get the land line number =
(businesses, filling out forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to =
screen the nonsense. I block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any =
calls on it other than from my contacts.=20
>=20
> Tom
>=20
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk =
> My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, =
and add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android =
has made it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there =
is now a "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried =
in the settings.=20
>=20
> Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was =
free for our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.
>=20
> I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick =
up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives =
at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other =
spammer/scammers.
>=20
> Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much =
anyway. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to =
solve the issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing =
from their customers about this, and have most likely reached a =
threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't =
adopt a solution soon.
> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I got an =
offer form Verizon that offered an app to block spam calls for $2.99 a =
month per line. &nbsp;So Verizon has taken a major problem for its =
customers and converted to a profit center for itself. &nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Tom Shirley via =
Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff">I disagree about getting =
rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't a personal friend asks for =
a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out =
forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I =
block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than =
from my contacts. <br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff">Tom<br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ =
McGarvey via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, =
and add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android =
has made it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there =
is now a "block caller" option at the bottom.
 previously it was buried in the settings.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<a href=3D"http://Nomorobo.com" class=3D"">Nomorobo.com</a> does cost =
money for cell phones last I checked. It was free for our land line =
through Verizon - which supports the technology.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
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I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick =
up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives =
at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other =
spammer/scammers.</div>
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Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much =
anyway. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to =
solve the issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing =
from their customers about this, and have most likely
 reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if =
they don't adopt a solution soon.</div>
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niolon via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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<b class=3D"">Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] annoying calls</font>
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<div class=3D"">for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells =
phones and home phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D=
 and have a limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to =
speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and =
when I tell him
 to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week =
and sometimes twice a day.&nbsp; Today I called their 800 number and got =
bank of america.&nbsp; After three failed attempts and a call back I =
finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam
 and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.&nbsp; She said =
there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list =
but offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls</div>
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<div class=3D"">Is there anywhere I can take this to get it =
resolved...&nbsp; I can=E2=80=99t seem to block the number on my home =
phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the =
cells yet...&nbsp;&nbsp; come on phone/tech/gurus... little help =
here</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">thanks</div>
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I used to torment call droids too...but now I think most of them are doing
that job because they can't find anything else. I prefer they do that than
sit at home. I assume every single one of them leaves the very second they
find something better.

I do what everyone else does: do not call list, everybody gets Google Voice
number. Then I don't answer calls I don't recognize. I block persistent
same numbers...and my ringer is always on silent so unless I'm looking at
the phone when you call...I won't answer anyway.

I'm doing pretty good--I get almost no spam calls to my cell.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 7:07 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> these calls?  What makes you think anyone else does?  Are you parents proud
> that you have a job annoying people in their homes?"  and I go on.
>
> -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"auto">I used to torment call droids too...but now I think most =
of them are doing that job because they can&#39;t find anything else. I pre=
fer they do that than sit at home. I assume every single one of them leaves=
 the very second they find something better.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">I do what everyone else does: do not call list, everyb=
ody gets Google Voice number. Then I don&#39;t answer calls I don&#39;t rec=
ognize. I block persistent same numbers...and my ringer is always on silent=
 so unless I&#39;m looking at the phone when you call...I won&#39;t answer =
anyway.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m do=
ing pretty good--I get almost no spam calls to my cell.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 7:07 AM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sh=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">One of th=
e tricks I used to do (when a
person would call you) was to pretend like I was really interested in what
they were selling.=C2=A0 The conversation would go like...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Caller-&quot;Hello, have you thoug=
ht
about vinyl siding?&quot;</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Me-&quot;I can&#39;t believe it, y=
es I was.
=C2=A0Hold on, let me find the remote and turn off the TV.&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Then I would just continue watchin=
g
TV until they hung up.=C2=A0 Every now and then I would pick up the phone
and say, &quot;I can&#39;t find this stupid remote.=C2=A0 I&#39;m sorry, ho=
ld on.&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I would see how long I could keep =
them
going.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Recently, if a person does call, I=
 simply,
and very politely ask, &quot;Why do you do a job that makes eveyone hate
you?=C2=A0 Really, do you enjoy getting these calls?=C2=A0 What makes you
think anyone else does?=C2=A0 Are you parents proud that you have a job
annoying people in their homes?&quot; =C2=A0and I go on.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">BTW, back in the 90&#39;s, I put u=
p this
site on my website...=C2=A0 It was &quot;Fight Back!&quot; =C2=A0a place
to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail.</font>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif">=
https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf</font></a><font size=3D"2" fac=
e=3D"sans-serif"><br>
</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The stories are still there, and w=
ill
be as long as I&#39;m alive!</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>_______________________________________________<br=
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I am able to block numbers with my cell phone. But, at least twice, I've re=
ceived a voice mail from a blocked number call. One would think that if the=
 number is blocked then no voice mail would be able to be left FFS.

Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 11:29 AM

thanks
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of john niolon via Shop-talk &lt;sh=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2019 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> shop-talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] annoying calls</font>
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<div>for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone=
 offering me =93lower credit card rates=94 and have a limited time to reply=
... when I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being sp=
eaking almost english and when I tell him
 to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an=
d sometimes twice a day.&nbsp; Today I called their 800 number and got bank=
 of america.&nbsp; After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp=
oke to a person and she told me it was a scam
 and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.&nbsp; She said th=
ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of=
fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...&nbsp; I can=92=
t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and hav=
en=92t found a way on the cells yet...&nbsp;&nbsp; come on phone/tech/gurus=
... little help here</div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:46:07 -0400

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:40 AM Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I got an offer form Verizon that offered an app to block spam calls for $2.99 a month per line.  So Verizon has taken a major problem for its customers and converted to a profit center for itself.

I just read that, sometime in March, Verizon is rolling out free call
blocking.  See the article here, about 2/3 of the way down:

https://clark.com/technology/phones-mobile-devices/how-to-stop-robocalls/
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From: Robert Nogueirao via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:30:32 -0500

I’d be real happy if I was only receiving these calls a few times per week, I get a minimum of 4 per day. 
For my cell phone my solution is to assign everyone in my contact list a ring tone, Family get a special one. Then set the default ring tone to the quietest ring tone on your phone ( on my iPhone that was Chines). When the phone ring I know if it some one I know or family or someone I haven’t had business with in the past.  The default , chimes, tone is so quiet I usually  don’t hear it if the phone is in my pocket.
Before doing that I called my congressman, who I don’t like and ask he change the law to stop robo calls. I then told the staff that to demonstrate how bad the problem was I would call and let them know each time I receive one. Got to be on first name bases with the women who answered the phone.    

Bob Nogueira 

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