Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height

From: Bruce Bubeck via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 18:47:12 -0400

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Karl,
10' should work. Typical non-SUV cars are around 56" high. YMMV. I made a
9' ceiling work with a 4 post lift but one of the cars was an Elise.
Bruce

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:28 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or
> next.  We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an=
d build a
> bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage
> is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.
>
>
>
> We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can=E2=80=99t go wid=
er garage
> due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.  Can=E2=80=99t go longer =
without further
> cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara=
ge
> forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us.
>
>
>
> 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the
> rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t=
he
> house.
>
>
>
> I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do=
 need to
> consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif=
t
> to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?
>
>
>
> Advice ??
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance !!
>
>
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."  (I came, I saw, I want to go home.)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Karl,</div>10&#39; should work. Typical non-SUV cars =
are around 56&quot; high. YMMV. I made a 9&#39; ceiling work with a 4 post =
lift but one of the cars was an Elise.<div>Bruce</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019=
 at 6:28 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.=
team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m=
_1338042130163567564WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At long last my dr=
eam of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=
=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>bigger<span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,1=
06)"> one</span>, with <span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>baseme=
nt and a higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=
=80=99 ceiling.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet d=
eep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s locatio=
n on the lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the=
 kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the=
 house, neither of which sound good to us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">10 feet seems to be =
the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and =
match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.<u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I =
think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do nee=
d to consider a future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate f=
or a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Advice ??<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance !!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl<u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire.&quot;=C2=A0 (I c=
ame, I saw, I want to go home.)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
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From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 18:50:19 -0400

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I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot ceilings in two garages. Ten feet i=
s the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my opinion. I would stack two cars (ty=
pically a Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=
=99t terribly for that but I always wished I could go higher, especially whe=
n I did any work on a car.

The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80=9D=
 in the ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go. They=E2=80=99ll m=
ake a huge difference.

It goes without saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage do=
or to he as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a sp=
ot at the first house.

A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both times) is nice to clean up t=
he ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car door because that track w=
ill hang down next to the vehicle and not over it.

-Paul

> On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
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> At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or ne=
xt.  We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and bui=
ld a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage=
 is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.
> =20
> We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can=E2=80=99t go wide=
r garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.  Can=E2=80=99t go l=
onger without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing th=
e front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to u=
s.
> =20
> 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the r=
est of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the h=
ouse.
> =20
> I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do n=
eed to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a=
 lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot c=
eilings in two garages. Ten feet is the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my o=
pinion. I would stack two cars (typically a Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TD=
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ible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot at the first house.</=
div><div><br></div><div>A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both tim=
es) is nice to clean up the ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car d=
oor because that track will hang down next to the vehicle and not over it.<b=
r><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">-Paul</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><b=
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p; Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the l=
ot.&nbsp; Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen si=
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><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that=E2=80=99ll give en=
ough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer a=
s well.&nbsp; Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car s=
torage for at least typical cars?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Advice ??<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
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From: Arvid via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:55:41 -0500

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I am going thru similar calculations. And "it depends".

My building is 117 inches from slab to bottom of the rafters.

The ones I have surveyed [I have started a spreadsheet with about 15 different 7,000 and 9,000 lb 4 post lifts on it] have columns that are 100 or less inches tall so fitting the lift and being able to move it around on the casters will not be a problem.

The challenge is "how tall is the vehicle?" and "what is the ultimate goal?".

In my case I want it more for storage than for lifting a vehicle to wok on it. So the math works out like this:

MR2 - 50 inches tall

Deck - most seem to be between 5 and 6 inches.

So 117 - 50 - 6 = 61 inches.

Therefore what ever I want to park under the lift can not be more than 61 inches tall. Note that 61 does not take into consideration the granularity of the lift safety catch spacing [between 4 and 8 inches, depending on vendor] and the "idiot left his finger on the button and crushed his MR2 and three ceilings joists before the building collapsed around him" factor.

So go measure your cars, do the math and you should be good to go.

Note that width of the bottom vehicle will need to be considered but it is not a constraint on how high the walls need to be.

Arvid

On 3/26/19 2:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
>
> At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a biggerone, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling.
>
> We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us.
>
> 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.
>
> I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?
>
> Advice ??
>
> Thanks in advance !!
>
> Karl
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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    <p>I am going thru similar calculations. And "it depends".</p>
    <p>My building is 117 inches from slab to bottom of the rafters.</p>
    <p>The ones I have surveyed [I have started a spreadsheet with about
      15 different 7,000 and 9,000 lb 4 post lifts on it] have columns
      that are 100 or less inches tall so fitting the lift and being
      able to move it around on the casters will not be a problem.</p>
    <p>The challenge is "how tall is the vehicle?" and "what is the
      ultimate goal?".</p>
    <p>In my case I want it more for storage than for lifting a vehicle
      to wok on it. So the math works out like this:</p>
    <p>MR2 - 50 inches tall</p>
    <p>Deck - most seem to be between 5 and 6 inches.<br>
    </p>
    <p>So 117 - 50 - 6 = 61 inches.</p>
    <p>Therefore what ever I want to park under the lift can not be more
      than 61 inches tall. Note that 61 does not take into consideration
      the granularity of the lift safety catch spacing [between 4 and 8
      inches, depending on vendor] and the "idiot left his finger on the
      button and crushed his MR2 and three ceilings joists before the
      building collapsed around him" factor.</p>
    <p>So go measure your cars, do the math and you should be good to
      go.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Note that width of the bottom vehicle will need to be considered
      but it is not a constraint on how high the walls need to be.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Arvid<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/26/19 2:35 PM, Karl Vacek via
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        <p class="MsoNormal">At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may
          come true later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to
          demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span
            style="color:#44546A">a </span>bigger<span
            style="color:#44546A"> one</span>, with <span
            style="color:#44546A">a </span>basement and a higher
          ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28
          feet deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s location
          on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting off the
          kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage
          forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">10 feet seems to be the limit of wall
          height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match
          the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think that’ll give enough ceiling height
          for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as
          well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow
          2-level car storage for at least typical cars?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Advice ??<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance !!<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Karl<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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Is it crazy to dig down a little? I almost bought a house with a lift that
could stack two cars. It was a 12-foot ceiling. I think *maybe* there were
24 more inches in there too lose...but it'd be awfully nice to not have to
worry about it.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Is it crazy to dig down a little? I almost bought a house=
 with a lift that could stack two cars. It was a 12-foot ceiling. I think *=
maybe* there were 24 more inches in there too lose...but it&#39;d be awfull=
y nice to not have to worry about it.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:32 PM Karl Vac=
ek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_-87532937=
5898076590WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At long last my dream of a 4=
-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re worki=
ng on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span style=3D"color=
:#44546a">a </span>bigger<span style=3D"color:#44546a"> one</span>, with <s=
pan style=3D"color:#44546a">a </span>basement and a higher ceiling.=C2=A0 R=
ight now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We c=
an go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wide=
r garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99=
t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pus=
hing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound g=
ood to us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look=
 compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, et=
c.) roof lines on the house.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that=E2=80=99ll give enoug=
h ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as =
well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car s=
torage for at least typical cars?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Advice ??<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks =
in advance !!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;Veni, V=
idi, Volo in Domum Redire.&quot;=C2=A0 (I came, I saw, I want to go home.)<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div=
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Remember, your wall height only limits your ceiling height at the wall.
With some simple carpentry, you can have a raised portion starting a foot
or two away from the wall.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Remember, your wall height only limits your ceiling heigh=
t at the wall.=C2=A0 With some simple carpentry, you can have a raised port=
ion starting a foot or two away from the wall.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:38 PM=
 Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_=
-1038346858432986102WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At long last my dr=
eam of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=
=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span sty=
le=3D"color:#44546a">a </span>bigger<span style=3D"color:#44546a"> one</spa=
n>, with <span style=3D"color:#44546a">a </span>basement and a higher ceili=
ng.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.<u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=
=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.=C2=A0 =
Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window=
 view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of w=
hich sound good to us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">10 feet seems to be the limit of wall =
height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-le=
vel (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that=E2=80=
=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a =
future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to all=
ow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Advice ??<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Thanks in advance !!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">&quot;Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire.&quot;=C2=A0 (I came, I saw, I wa=
nt to go home.)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
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Howdy,

Not a direct answer to your question, but when we built our shop I was also
restricted to 10' sidewalls, so that things didn't look out of whack.

I ended up using a scissor truss over the area where the lift would go,
with garage door tracks that followed the now angled ceiling.  That gave a
good bit more clearance for a lift.

Not sure that works for your situation, but wanted to mention it, in case
it did.

Mark

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>Not a direct answer to your ques=
tion, but when we built our shop I was also restricted to 10&#39; sidewalls=
, so that things didn&#39;t look out of whack.<br><br>I ended up using a sc=
issor truss over the area where the lift would go, with garage door tracks =
that followed the now angled ceiling.=C2=A0 That gave a good bit more clear=
ance for a lift.<br><br>Not sure that works for your situation, but wanted =
to mention it, in case it did.<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:3=
1 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_160027=
5265374672922WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At long last my dream of =
a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re wo=
rking on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>bigger<span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)"> on=
e</span>, with <span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>basement and a=
 higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 c=
eiling.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=
=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on th=
e lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitche=
n sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house,=
 neither of which sound good to us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">10 feet seems to be the lim=
it of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match t=
he lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think t=
hat=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to co=
nsider a future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a li=
ft to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Advi=
ce ??<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance !!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl<u></u><u></u></p><p=
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10' will be barely adequate. Add together the heights of two cars plus 
8-12" additional. (the ramps are 4" - 6" high and you need to raise it 
up a few inches to clear the safety latches before you can lower it).

I have a four post lift. Our garage ceiling is ~ 11' 8" high. With my 
small cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) I can raise it up to give a little over 6' 
underneath (I am 6' 1" and can walk under without ducking). I doubt I 
could do that with an SUV or minivan on top.

What are your plans for the space above the garage? Can you use scissor 
trusses to raise up the ceiling 'cathedral' style without increasing the 
wall height??

Another thing to plan for with your garage remodel is higher door tracks 
and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space available to the 
car up on the lift.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
>
> At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year 
> or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and 
> build a biggerone, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now 
> the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling.
>
> We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider 
> garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer 
> without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing 
> the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound 
> good to us.
>
> 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with 
> the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof 
> lines on the house.
>
> I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need 
> to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for 
> a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?
>
> Advice ??
>

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    <p>10' will be barely adequate. Add together the heights of two cars
      plus 8-12" additional. (the ramps are 4" - 6" high and you need to
      raise it up a few inches to clear the safety latches before you
      can lower it). <br>
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    <p>I have a four post lift. Our garage ceiling is ~ 11' 8" high.
      With my small cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) I can raise it up to give a
      little over 6' underneath (I am 6' 1" and can walk under without
      ducking). I doubt I could do that with an SUV or minivan on top. <br>
    </p>
    <p>What are your plans for the space above the garage? Can you use
      scissor trusses to raise up the ceiling 'cathedral' style without
      increasing the wall height?? <br>
    </p>
    <p>Another thing to plan for with your garage remodel is higher door
      tracks and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space
      available to the car up on the lift. <br>
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    Mebane, NC <br>
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            style="color:#44546A"> one</span>, with <span
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        <p class="MsoNormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28
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          kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I think that’ll give enough ceiling height
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          2-level car storage for at least typical cars?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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> On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk =
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> I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I =
do need to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be =
adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical =
cars?

You=E2=80=99ll lose some to lights, I think. But I bet this discussion =
has been thoroughly gone over on garage journal.com :-)

In my experience, many more future buyers will be concerned about how =
the garage matches the house than whether the garage has enough ceiling =
height.=20

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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough =
ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as =
well.&nbsp; Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level =
car storage for at least typical cars?<o:p =
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class=3D""></div><div>You=E2=80=99ll lose some to lights, I think. But I =
bet this discussion has been thoroughly gone over on garage <a =
href=3D"http://journal.com" class=3D"">journal.com</a> :-)</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>In my experience, many more future buyers will be =
concerned about how the garage matches the house than whether the garage =
has enough ceiling height.&nbsp;</div><div><br =
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From: John Miller via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:37:56 -0700

> and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space available to the 

When we remodeled some years ago my wife would argue we made the entire 
house taller so I could have a lift in the garage...be it as it may, 
we've got a little under 11 feet at the front and rear walls, scissor 
trusses with a 5/12 pitch at the top and 3/12 on the lower chords which 
gives me just about 13 feet at the peak (which runs across the garage.) 
I know folks with Miatas and MGBs get away with lower ceilings but I 
consider my setup to be about the minimum fully-useful arrangement.

The lights in the garage are flush-mount 4-foot troffers (ours were 
originally flourescent, now have LED tubes, there are better/more 
compact LED designs now), the garage door tracks follow the 3/12 line of 
the ceiling up as closely as possible, we have the screw-drive garage 
door opener mounted vertically on the wall alongside the door track 
(once again, there are simpler and more compact jackshaft-drive systems 
available now that were not available 15 years ago), we also put in fire 
sprinklers when we did the remodel and those are also flush-mounted to 
the sheetrock.

With my Bend-Pak 4-post lift I can get a typical mid-size vehicle 
(sedan/wagon e.g. Audi S6 Avant) all the way up and still be able to 
open/close the garage doors (we have a door on the back of the garage 
too) though the rubber-ducky antenna will hit the roof.  I have the 
roller jack and you can also use jackstands on the ramps, for many jobs 
you will have to lift the vehicle off the ramps so pay attention to the 
extra height needed and don't forget to close the hood.

We have or have had vehicles that won't fit on the lift due to their 
width and one ('64 Cortina) where you need to be careful because it's 
barely wide enough for the ramps).  Honda Odysseys and our GL550 are 
just barely too wide to get on without tearing up the tire sidewalls on 
the ramp's latch pockets at the ends of the crossbeam; you need to put 
some wood blocks in front of the latch pockets and drive OVER them.

They do offer wider versions, and if I were to do it over again I might 
go for one of those then make something to deal with very narrow vehicles.

Consider, too, the power requirements for the lift and how the lift 
latches are actuated.  I put in 220V for welding all around the garage 
and shop, and plumbed compressed air into the walls, but I did not at 
first plumb compressed air to the lift and put in 120V for lift power. 
Preferable to get a 220V lift pump if you can wire for it.

John.

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From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:51:52 -0400

I bought a DirectLift ProPark 9 because it has wider than 'normal' 
ramps. This makes it wide enough for my F250 pick up yet narrow enough 
for my MGA & Alfa Romeos. It will even fit an MG Midget but it helps to 
have a spotter as the tires of the Midget have to run along the inner 
edges of the ramps.

There are some lifts with re-positional ramps - one or both can be moved 
laterally for wider or narrower vehicles.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 3/27/2019 11:37 AM, John Miller via Shop-talk wrote:
> just barely too wide to get on without tearing up the tire sidewalls

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:58:40 -0700

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Yes, 10' will be fine for most any residential lift (e.g., Backyard Buddy,
Worth, etc.). It also would give you enough headroom to stack a C7 over a
CTS, for example, if you wanted to store one car above the other.

It would not be high enough to stack two F150's, though.  ;-)

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:40 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot ceilings in two garages. Ten fe=
et is the
> minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my opinion. I would stack two cars (typic=
ally a
> Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=99t t=
erribly
> for that but I always wished I could go higher, especially when I did any
> work on a car.
>
> The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80=
=9D in the
> ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go. They=E2=80=99ll make =
a huge
> difference.
>
> It goes without saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage=
 door to
> he as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot =
at
> the first house.
>
> A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both times) is nice to clean
> up the ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car door because that
> track will hang down next to the vehicle and not over it.
>
> -Paul
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, 10&#39; will be fine for most any residential lift (e=
.g., Backyard Buddy, Worth, etc.). It also would give you enough headroom t=
o stack a C7 over a CTS, for example, if you wanted to store one car above =
the other.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It would not be high enough to stack tw=
o F150&#39;s, though.=C2=A0 ;-)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:40 PM Paul P=
arkanzky via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten =
foot ceilings in two garages. Ten feet is the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, =
in my opinion. I would stack two cars (typically a Lotus Elise or a Miata o=
ver a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=99t terribly for that but I alw=
ays wished I could go higher, especially when I did any work on a car.<div>=
<br></div><div>The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9C=
windows=E2=80=9D in the ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go.=
 They=E2=80=99ll make a huge difference.</div><div><br></div><div>It goes w=
ithout saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage door to he=
 as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot at t=
he first house.</div><div><br></div><div>A nice jackshaft opener (I had lif=
t masters both times) is nice to clean up the ceiling but not necessary if =
you have a two car door because that track will hang down next to the vehic=
le and not over it.<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8432016699871644005AppleMail=
Signature" dir=3D"ltr">-Paul</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 26, 2019, at =
3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-843201=
6699871644005WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At long last my dream of =
a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re wo=
rking on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build <span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>bigger<span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)"> on=
e</span>, with <span style=3D"color:rgb(68,84,106)">a </span>basement and a=
 higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 c=
eiling.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=
=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on th=
e lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitche=
n sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house,=
 neither of which sound good to us.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
ce ??<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance !!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Karl<u></u><u></u></p><p=
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