From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 00:30:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686AE2589CB1 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 00:30:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7702588C74 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:26:17 -0700 (MST) References: <7943441e-d444-8a74-9dad-d04dcf41c4a6@dinospider.com> To: Jeff Scarbrough type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 17:26:17 -0500 02/25/2019 05:26:17 PM, Serialize complete at 02/25/2019 05:26:17 PM Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8466358227264180925== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007B41E9852583AC_= I doubt it's worth the time. It still works well on most things, but it never would have been up to the 165 LBS bolts on a sitting truck. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 007B41E9852583AC_= I doubt it's worth the time.  It still works well on most things, but it never would have been up to the 165 LBS bolts on a sitting truck.


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-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 007B41E9852583AC_=-- --===============8466358227264180925== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8466358227264180925==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 00:48:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E6E2589CE7 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 00:48:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic302-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic302-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.186.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C463C2588B5C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:15:47 -0700 (MST) t=1551136546; bh=JCJwCh6lGq/gdAPzUr0r3/W3eAYFs90U1PWdIhyFxcY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=WdxYc1hIXfB60lTCJkzbNoOOdeG23VixBGUoIfld3+Ae3WJ1OsHDWUxLRcRksUK5cJ9GfdR1/MleRbD64s1dJeUiHdZPAmFXcWVeKw58W3Xxkr+NAxGKGxUwS8ZCbKql3nzZGaKxCTVQcPwF3xRwZguJdUz79WY3nPH+xOCfsf+FoaNcFVabpAlh7hZtpFei6wnBy0fPNHuulD4irbHsc0B3uF7RsSMH4CaSCYNFz4o50T/mmJB9iodnaK/lXJLj38BzSim1eXDkyo54j+j5u/zsYFBfDNnBkw6GscG2QrmYWi/kgg32CohHOWpFih8uxaLtd5YYl0oMsFo4StDKpg== SToluRKgfsrm4ZOl_VYolaQhIhjlt5b7QePPlX8MGmjQazTyPW6.GN25yJtGnQ6ut9_8twxrTBW8 4IBDKlzTOsPYd0sjN3mIpkCH0dd6X4rUL9LCc56mMh74inkPtD6glhmDPR5.8VSigXOXqMJ9FZGD mykCGAhMxk2xO7unBjDpurtue_XXk505GhJpyeOeqPW.1AGveUtT1TszOuqo8CXn2HdjhLJD28Rq _jdxghR9AQ6Ce04E4QG5wKXN.wLv1K.ZkJv5F9szlT95au9dcYVm6VeG0lEneDr.gk4u0pX3_FPv aGMmhxIjLKh2appTgDhQB1elz4mW2_.hyCJeqMYpcLwlwVmO4da1i1JEyp_ziqVxYANoT4dVPwOQ iZGXepsBA6txXz4W5yj2TmI6lB7TSnoqgoT9hnK6bV2es9YLXfsRXQi2N9qLsiIhjQNtztei9pt8 kXH8pJMq5JRDssk.vV8HgFLd5ZLzW5tpDPxcPbjjjMHO7GQD8zo_Hy5mrhOg1KHKYt2xm.kFk7cC dyHY5lj64FlMzM9XTpziGIDla4sh7i7O3mqMOIv2vJ5JFUn2oq0pPjHmjvzhFUtjHsz9c6ZeXPq4 oLB2ITmJ54x74NaxX.Tnxa76kCbojM3yDnyf1I8LxL.PbJzUvT8VJUGPaWmi1DwIV_wlsuFoMyKb SPga1f6ejefLAGtGpyUO7IhXo2El.gjdp11ZbiwwBN4mlYaui5RQiBsISHRpvrfl1u6kPca_c7z7 yC2o8hc443N1Bn9fLpOdMj5Fa.WJN05dCNI1vO2Y6GKQjy.6r_e5rYpSLfKEWyC5GQLG5JruYhAq wM_v6F1rka9oWdEBjqcVfNjUXnuQPB1U3MoQkIc1B4TGkG7uRAJCwLRG8OlM4iy8i_RjO2soglpw b5KfbnaYGYSwe.kmIOjbCV6tCQpJFV2jnPmJES_2llLvR_LSnNVGRmHQskV_Vqd2YJ5HPlBLaF3V .YdekWzLs_w8gsNIGXgRIiimA75TFEeLBiEyBovSqYTOXEquZGr4WsvLkJcDZeU_iaw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 23:15:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 23:15:24 +0000 (UTC) To: jdinnis@gmail.com, DAVID MASSEY References: <38167841.4580900.1551060478650.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <38167841.4580900.1551060478650@mail.yahoo.com> x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/72.0.3626.109 Safari/537.36 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: Battmain via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8568571249694947877== boundary="----=_Part_4982537_1466854096.1551136524368" ------=_Part_4982537_1466854096.1551136524368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everyone.=C2=A0 I ordered a few 7805 fixed regulators from the auct= ion site. $2. Hopefully it gets to me in the usual 21 days.=C2=A0 The appli= cation is an old amplified Bazooka tube. The output specs are relatively lo= w, so if the parts don't work, I am positive I can get one of the generic $= 12-$15 amp boards to drive the single woofer in the tube. I will not pay $9= 9-$125 for a replacement amp.=C2=A0=C2=A0 @Pat, yeah, I ordered similar micro farad replacement cap as the one next t= o it and I did that before I posted. If it blows up the replacement, then I= will go with the higher voltage, but the limit to spend is $5 in parts. Af= ter that, I'll go with an amp board.=C2=A0 Brian On Sunday, February 24, 2019, 9:08:04 PM EST, DAVID MASSEY wrote: =20 =20 =20 Actally, you can make it an adjustable regulator but if you are going to or= der something you may as well get a 317 which is designed for this.=C2=A0 P= lus the data sheet will give you hints on how to do this. Dave On Sunday, February 24, 2019 John Innis via Shop-talk w= rote: A 7805 is a fixed regulator.=C2=A0 There are other parts in the linear SERI= ES that are variable output, but if it has a 7805 part number, it will alwa= ys output a fixed 5v.=C2=A0=20 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows diffe= rent models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have variable o= utput as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should stay consta= nt for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on it, was wonde= ring if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or just stick with= a fixed output? Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne wrote: =20 =20 This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number= indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0 Peace,=C2=A0Pat Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site...MC7= 805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet alldatasheet.com MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, MC7= 805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... | | | They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...htt= p://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume pot on= it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: =20 =20 How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting aroun= d for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I= fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the r= egulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differ= ent models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 = Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could s= ubstitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/F= IfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishp= late@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk xas@icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk @gmail.com --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown=C2=A0 =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_4982537_1466854096.1551136524368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks everyone.  I ordered a few 7805 fixed regulators f= rom the auction site. $2. Hopefully it gets to me in the usual 21 days.&nbs= p; The application is an old amplified Bazooka tube. The output specs are r= elatively low, so if the parts don't work, I am positive I can get one of t= he generic $12-$15 amp boards to drive the single woofer in the tube. I wil= l not pay $99-$125 for a replacement amp.  

<= div>@Pat, yeah, I ordered similar micro farad replacement cap as the one ne= xt to it and I did that before I posted. If it blows up the replacement, th= en I will go with the higher voltage, but the limit to spend is $5 in parts= . After that, I'll go with an amp board. 

Bri= an



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On Sunday, February 24, 2019, 9:08:04 PM EST, DAVID MAS= SEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:


Actally, you can make it an adjustable regulator but if you are going to= order something you may as well get a 317 which is designed for this. = ; Plus the data sheet will give you hints on how to do this.

Dave

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On Sunday, February 24, 2019 John Innis via Shop-talk <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
A 7805 is a fixed regulator.  There are other= parts in the linear SERIES that are variable output, but if it has a 7805 = part number, it will always output a fixed 5v. 

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


Brian




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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Hor= ne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:


This chip is a voltage regulator, no= t the audio amplifier. The part number indicates that it is a 5v fixed regu= lator. 

Peace, 
Pat
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-= talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I did look up that model, however, here is an example from thi= s site...



They list multiple models of that= chip. The one I think is closest is...
because of the variable output.  The amp does have level/volume pot o= n it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output.
=

Brian


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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
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> Picture in the l= ink...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/= FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I= throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try.
>>
> Brian

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------=_Part_4982537_1466854096.1551136524368-- --===============8568571249694947877== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8568571249694947877==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 21:50:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FA6258A290 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:50:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E90C258A744 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 17:17:23 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 19:17:17 -0500 03/01/2019 07:17:28 PM, Serialize complete at 03/01/2019 07:17:28 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] seat belt clips analog From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3353648508721419691== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0001957C852583B1_= Ok, here is a weird one. I finally got the F350 street legal, new ebrakes (WHAT A HUGE JOB on a Dually!) But at least I got to buy some new tools! Anyway, the seat belt on this truck is missing the 'tab' that holds the clip part of the belt up from the floor. As a result, the clip slides down to the floor each time I take off the seatbelt. I know there are 'premade' clips that I can buy to add, but I was wondering if anyone had any cool ideas for this? A quick search on the interwebs show there are many ways to do this, but I figured someone here came up with some creative solution. Or, just any homemade solution (above "clothespin") Any ideas? Thanks! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0001957C852583B1_= Ok, here is a weird one.

I finally got the F350 street legal, new ebrakes (WHAT A HUGE JOB on a Dually!)  But at least I got to buy some new tools!

Anyway, the seat belt on this truck is missing the 'tab' that holds the clip part of the belt up from the floor.  As a result, the clip slides down to the floor each time I take off the seatbelt.

I know there are 'premade' clips that I can buy to add, but I was wondering if anyone had any cool ideas for this?  A quick search on the interwebs show there are many ways to do this, but I figured someone here came up with some creative solution.  Or, just any homemade solution (above "clothespin")

Any ideas?  Thanks!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0001957C852583B1_=-- --===============3353648508721419691== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3353648508721419691==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 22:37:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6694258A40C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 22:37:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8A2258984D for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 17:19:23 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 19:19:12 -0500 03/01/2019 07:19:28 PM, Serialize complete at 03/01/2019 07:19:28 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] One follow up (seat belt analog.) From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5782127471090581052== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0001C299852583B1_= I do have access to a 3d printer if anyone has any plans for one. Thanks Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0001C299852583B1_= I do have access to a 3d printer if anyone has any plans for one.

Thanks


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-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0001C299852583B1_=-- --===============5782127471090581052== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5782127471090581052==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 05:38:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF34258580A for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 05:38:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f194.google.com (mail-oi1-f194.google.com [209.85.167.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43407258A706 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 04:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f194.google.com with SMTP id t206so307166oib.3 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 03:22:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AisyhbO80vW6zYusr4lwWw+74mByiKdmWdUOTrPlOt0=; b=j1k/3z8gbaOE7BMWOw9XEMpQMANieObzPp/a+pIiD0k14H+/hErpc1qmc3jMpccHVl 89keAGste7CpuMtYbWAKIZFN48D7cL2XTEiv+gjQoxsa/cbi0avtzd561srBNiefeXy8 phur5lOK6tugsna5OFN82j6NlzvX2GX9st3l/xQXf9nvseGKcpTa4JccWOk+8OpBmFr2 d+LYVEUhbAljZ4OmyAcx7ZWNZvxOJxUYXapBoJqD2mx+XVq520WLG3e0nC8sRv6qYR9M VbpZ8O6bWz1F5UR0xA0wxt0RyRqletiVaOnOX27bkcKK4W1rPyJ5HBC85FuHzMUyx7+H xk8g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AisyhbO80vW6zYusr4lwWw+74mByiKdmWdUOTrPlOt0=; b=C3t7O8/5e1taKfCUZ1h9Q3UmtCCwjI4LaxN8vbtMHq6DjrshKyXyqVTRarj6grzFfh bRspTQkDowyi3wAA7rILgy7frhCKiPP5LFgFR5Y7Bb9ZitgyRd0Ws7RQ0qMDoHR+5y80 AGCxIKyMmjt79+BFUrxoPR8VOjWxQHVT0S1daia6A8O+1wq2Y9ljc9LbgyFFqA/QdoyM Zii8T8HCnpYKPP879fdM+mmyGZjraEFrqMeDMQl+cn3VDmzpMe09zNwKMbL0pp1Xe2HI +Ql20iu8WW6cmUlW+vkGDy0sZ31cIXxhoH1VOg2HWyWllpf7q54Eqc1553eJTwP0llYy qiHA== cj2rSzd9pRw+VD6B7UDCeELH0KNbgBUVW+llEhBPHEyJ Sat, 02 Mar 2019 03:22:37 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 06:22:33 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] seat belt clips analog From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Child seats come with a locking clip to properly contain the belt in the right position. The seats expire, but the clip doesn't. Must be millions of these things floating around... https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/dorman-help-car-seat-locking-clip-74356/22971532-p I used to have some in a box somewhere. I'm not sure how comfortable it might be, though, for your use...it might not rest on the right part of the belt... -- Jeff On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:01 AM eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > > Ok, here is a weird one. > > I finally got the F350 street legal, new ebrakes (WHAT A HUGE JOB on a Dually!) But at least I got to buy some new tools! > > Anyway, the seat belt on this truck is missing the 'tab' that holds the clip part of the belt up from the floor. As a result, the clip slides down to the floor each time I take off the seatbelt. > > I know there are 'premade' clips that I can buy to add, but I was wondering if anyone had any cool ideas for this? A quick search on the interwebs show there are many ways to do this, but I figured someone here came up with some creative solution. Or, just any homemade solution (above "clothespin") > > Any ideas? Thanks! > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 10:18:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC37258A5F0 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:18:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (unknown [40.92.4.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335F0258A489 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 09:00:33 -0700 (MST) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=/jKBTZ5zL7Xlxr8mOaOs3cHjJwRe13SjqMNwicAX7c8=; b=qPMKzbnQTLj8pyAGr0lfq8hqVeMofDg0de5CqATu1w2HqkVvUnFcYf/sPGHvVgteaV4bVrP3JSaBlKRftVyIvEdUSuwP9yxkPw4uchf4NwhkTWtIGyz372a8xta2y7yxYKwZq8gzFBXeUmZvU0G6MzH9uCyajdJSo0oJls/3ddO2jiMNLSQ3Bo2C9YMmk8QSGE2g6LOk0/AIewS8ydIwlRwKnxeMGEUcKrnEDimCjJSTbHpMx2yv5iEs3Sbz2O+AXKJ4vrruDsWeYtgUrxSIB96wlLk5sb9rNRYns2OwxjTEu4uraJ9acv/uRQjnIEpEOynYJj4wnAl2uGkj651+XQ== Received: from SN1NAM02FT037.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.54) by SN1NAM02HT219.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.73.236) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:00:01 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.72.56) by SN1NAM02FT037.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.89) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:00:01 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1883:b0b5:1a8a:cdc0]) by CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1883:b0b5:1a8a:cdc0%6]) with mapi id 15.20.1686.014; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:00:01 +0000 To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: question on LP tanks Thread-Index: AQHU0RBQGdoNUxhldkONfCWV9AMB3Q== Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:00:01 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:5A32DC6371C813E156B6C4E5B04447CD98403D15444747CF8897A15155FF983D; UpperCasedChecksum:2ABA260007707500820793EEE3E9CC1BBF9A474EEE80DB971B4A2D1AC35DBCB5; SizeAsReceived:6556; Count:41 x-tmn: [QHqq1C2j1BtKEJc1gRi0CFDXRVIhZioi] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT219; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM02HT219: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: IrH9VWdI+ikn1fG1Jf01DLxvteepZtAOJLzgPYajdcE8cWhXg8DtX3a000EJxmMN Subject: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1939227254701479410== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB1302E99AA6A58F71042E75CAB4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_" --_000_CY4PR13MB1302E99AA6A58F71042E75CAB4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased torp= edo heater. When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned out t= o be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so it a= ppeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the other= day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low = 30s, I just did the oil change without using a heater in my shop. I am wond= ering if the tank was not full or not.... Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty? Thanks tim --_000_CY4PR13MB1302E99AA6A58F71042E75CAB4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased torp= edo heater. 

When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned out t= o be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so it a= ppeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the other= day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil change = without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not full = or not....

Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty?

Thanks
tim
--_000_CY4PR13MB1302E99AA6A58F71042E75CAB4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============1939227254701479410== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1939227254701479410==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 11:49:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D052589A15 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 11:49:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.onyx.syn-alias.com [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A3F258A64E for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:41:00 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1551548449; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=T2zi53abkEg3ff4RkVYArfMWIdk=; b=pdzpmYOE1oh62/j8vYTjj9FlRJqa10ifN1oZecMJsBPvlyo22znIu76q/muZVV/d UviRoE420eBxX5feEpCtK8fcdzwKCtCZLiO13+Cm8xdYJLblJEP2MZVYPlexNW5M qDNIyX/3IPB6VFnZUVPXzR61yqLo5Vk2XO9UrBxZZRQEoAubRngu+GkHr0AkPZ58 mDN+2bWN9Rb5ixHbImlh8vYcOFIOIcoHzRwqzL1TNb7Iflo07SLs4F2/4yce6gGk G9EJ+B9GxxYpA/5531bR2afxiQ+H3xnOAim4VMAsf8cDg7XAATU2+6nJZVFiSEHK mz6ZV3N8RAjJhxPCbL7b6A==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=qpvxWg+ZsREaf7Re3Tl6fg==:117 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=bNv-r_oxnM4A:10 a=NTGMnVQrEZIA:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=K1yWqBiec9YA:10 a=vuCx79H1Q_rPmdO1vQgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4yWFgz_E4ivLn01O:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from [10.41.66.2] ([10.41.66.2:50288] helo=md80.onyx.dfw.sync.lan) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTP id B5/02-11177-120CA7C5; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 12:40:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:40:49 -0500 (EST) To: "Tim ." References: Thread-Topic: question on LP tanks Thread-Index: AQHU0RBQGdoNUxhldkONfCWV9AMB3bL36X/H Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks From: ERIC RUSSELL via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0319568090018958757== boundary="=_a862acd1-85ee-4af8-810a-60210005baa8" --=_a862acd1-85ee-4af8-810a-60210005baa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Likely empty. Weigh the tank (bathroom scale). An empty tank weighs about 17 lbs. Add 20 lbs of propane and, well, you do the math. Eric RussellMebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them from emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so leaked empty? --=_a862acd1-85ee-4af8-810a-60210005baa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Likely empty. Weigh the tank (bathroom scale). An empty tank weighs about 17 lbs. Add 20 lbs of propane and, well, you do the math. 

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC 

----- Original Message -----
Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them from emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so leaked empty?
--=_a862acd1-85ee-4af8-810a-60210005baa8-- --===============0319568090018958757== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0319568090018958757==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 12:06:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC91025892E6 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:06:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f172.google.com (mail-it1-f172.google.com [209.85.166.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2892587A5A for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it1-f172.google.com with SMTP id l139so1709616ita.5 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Q/rvO9c9cmpUZSVO1fsomuHb4Zpv7dVGs3rUS6+X9fU=; b=GKZJo9EaefuvwZXCRJNCV7L19+EqkixSKFPaMlrjrN5ccCFvGgJnnNVe3mohgZWL0P r0D+3vDQOzFloJDlC+O+2zkL0lj3tFbvIHEZqHaEEKnP2jKCimo/AGS7/OomuYctrxux ThESzZLw8DJ9R79SgLlaLmpWAHQFUt2YzmEpo= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Q/rvO9c9cmpUZSVO1fsomuHb4Zpv7dVGs3rUS6+X9fU=; b=WTXKAasxPolxNCII8SwB+hPVSGUWDZW3rNDdLQ5EGtSnHGFtTnm5SG8XxngTcC8E26 to/fcuY1QzYlw/M1DfwU0C5j99AsVqEONb/QSAgNcwkQHdNuRMbJioiJNaucuVTb/FKK wD5VOu9ugtasos6v8BN1bg/gVDAyqZpYnOHzmrGvrQZOMh6aF1uAHXnlcNGw+vzecGIa QMdeE1lUxaVy+eXflfHWI7yDacW/RLSylE7ZGzjzs+CRc3BxbMbTfvS83qk7Q6uWzF63 jrWtS/w1lXMYo4cF4kbKeKBt9/5jwaq6bJIDcVE+VESoLRXi+Ew2Ik8EAOHbCo9u/L1j w1sA== 3TM8LbCKHLdwqR280lxw87Lgroh96vHM6f4fBWA7MA== Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:43:37 -0500 To: "Tim ." Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks From: Doug Braun via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5636948502026804699== --000000000000ed3f7d058320108b If that were the case, Home Depots would be burning down regularly. Nothing is supposed to come out unless a hose is connected, even if the valve is opened. BTW, a propane tank has the empty weight stamped on the top, so if you weigh it, you can know exactly how much propane it contains. Doug On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 12:25 PM Tim . via Shop-talk I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill > year 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased > torpedo heater. > > When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned out > to be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so it > appeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the > other day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the > low 30s, I just did the oil change without using a heater in my shop. I am > wondering if the tank was not full or not.... > > Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them > from emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so > leaked empty? > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > > --000000000000ed3f7d058320108b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If that were the case, Home Depots would be burning down = regularly.

Nothing is supposed= to come out unless a hose is connected, even if the valve is opened.=C2=A0=

BTW, a propane tank has= the empty weight stamped on the top, so if you weigh it, you can know exac= tly how much propane it contains.=C2=A0

Doug=C2=A0

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 12:25 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote:
I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased = torpedo heater.=C2=A0

When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned o= ut to be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so = it appeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the o= ther day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil change = without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not full = or not....

Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty?

Thanks
tim
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New tanks usually need to be purged and = filled.  SOME new tanks come purged, they will have a sticker that sta= tes that it has been purged.  Some filling stations will sell pre-fill= ed tanks.


On Mar= ch 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM "Tim . via Shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.te= am.net> wrote:

I bought my first ever LP tan= k last month. (I use charcoal when I grill year 'around here in WI.) I = bought the tank to use with a newly purchased torpedo heater. 

When I hooked up the tank to th= e heater hose, the tank's valve turned out to be open about half way. T= he little plastic cover was on the valve so it appeared newly filled. I was= not able to get the heater to fire up the other day when I tried for the f= irst time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil cha= nge without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not f= ull or not....

Do these = tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them from empty= ing if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so leaked em= pty?

Thanks
tim


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Was this a brand new tank, or did you buy a pre-fille= d tank from an exchange place?

Brand new tanks com= e empty, an need to be purged then filled.=C2=A0

<= div>If it was a prefilled tank there is an automatic shutoff that is suppos= ed to keep it from leaking when the hose is not connected.=C2=A0 It is poss= ible that feature is not working as intended, especially on an older tank.= =C2=A0

Another feature that might be getting = you is the automatic shutoff that comes into play if the flow rate is too h= igh.=C2=A0 This is sometimes an issue if you open the tank valve too quickl= y, or your appliance is drawing too much gas.=C2=A0 This feature can be res= et by closing the tank valve all the way, then opening it very slowly to pr= event the safety from tripping.=C2=A0 I have this problem on a regular basi= s with my LP shop heater.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:27 AM Tim . vi= a Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased = torpedo heater.=C2=A0

When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned o= ut to be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so = it appeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the o= ther day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil change = without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not full = or not....

Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty?

Thanks
tim
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Howdy,

The normal way I check if the ta= nk is empty is to lift it up along with one I know is full, but that isn= 9;t going to help you.

If you slosh it back and forth, you should be= able to tell there's liquid inside if there's still propane in it.=

All that said, my recollection is that there is indeed a safety val= ve that doesn't allow the tank to just dump itself unless something is = attached to it.=C2=A0 I know I've had to tighten up my grill connection= more to get gas to flow, for instance.=C2=A0 Now, whether or not that safe= ty valve is good enough that it doesn't leak at all... Not sure there.<= /div>

Mark

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 12:20 PM Tim . vi= a Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased = torpedo heater.=C2=A0

When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned o= ut to be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so = it appeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the o= ther day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil change = without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not full = or not....

Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty?

Thanks
tim
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OPD valves are also designed to only allow propane into and out of the bottle if attached to the appropriate hose end connection. The threads on this type of connection are called ACME threads and are visible on the OPD valve at the point of connection. The ACME threads are easily identified by how much larger and farther apart they are as compared to normal pipe threads. OPD valves will not allow propane out of the bottle if it is not hooked up to anything. This is why turning (opening) an OPD handwheel on an unattached bottle does nothing in terms of letting propane out. Many people think that the bottle is empty but in fact, the cylinder needs to be hooked up to allow any gas out. Learn more about the Valve Open - No Propane issue that many users have with OPD equipped propane cylinders.

http://www.propane101.com/opdcylindervalves.htm

Now, understanding all of that, I still  don't know if your tank is full.  Where did you buy it?  If you picked it up off the shelf inside a store, I'm sure it was empty at that time.  Did you bring it somewhere to be filled?  There are some stores that will sell you a filled tank, but either they fill it right before they give it to you or they store it somewhere outside the store. 

I very much doubt that the tank was filled and leaked out all of its propane.  I suspect that either it is full or it was never filled.  The tank will weigh a lot more when full.  Typical grill tanks weight 17lbs empty and 37 lbs full.  The empty weight (Tare Weight) should be stamped on the tank. 

-Steve

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Thread-Topic: question on LP tanks Thread-Index: AQHU0RBQGdoNUxhldkONfCWV9AMB3aX42LR+ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:29:36 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:D0D869B1D950B5203AFB4F4E7663742A14AB9C76FCBAF95A8A12AA0F4B3B8D57; UpperCasedChecksum:955A3206CBBB3DD4145AC892EB007F9E5D770F2AD01A5A80C039B007631DA99E; SizeAsReceived:6857; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [Hie+FPhZtYa3m0Tmtr1K2VW7YMGNLsAK] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-exchange-slblob-mailprops: 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 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(201702181274)(2017031323274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:BL2NAM02HT102; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BL2NAM02HT102: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: v+azhsD/GLdHeDMGnSrNLbtsYJxl9MscG/4ofX3UgB/gvfi/fbrngE0pTuvzpEx4 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9218688521835363206== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB1302B07B4A6E2A3073F7E712B4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_" --_000_CY4PR13MB1302B07B4A6E2A3073F7E712B4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the replies. I've learned more than I thought I ever would about= propane, and propane accessories. Hank is the man! Seriously though..... The tank was bought from a place that sells refilled tanks. I assumed there was a check valve but needed to get verification. Turns out the fuel feed switch on the heater itself was a little sticky (fi= rst use) and I wasn't pushing it in far enough. Thanks again tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . via S= hop-talk Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:00 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased torp= edo heater. When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned out t= o be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so it a= ppeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the other= day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low = 30s, I just did the oil change without using a heater in my shop. I am wond= ering if the tank was not full or not.... Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty? Thanks tim --_000_CY4PR13MB1302B07B4A6E2A3073F7E712B4770CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the replies. I've learned more than I thought I ever would = about propane, and propane accessories. Hank is the man!

Seriously though.....

The tank was bought from a place that sells refille= d tanks. 

I assumed there was a check valve but needed to get= verification. 

Turns out the fuel feed switch on the heater itself= was a little sticky (first use) and I wasn't pushing it in far enough.&nbs= p;

Thanks again
tim



From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] question on LP tanks
 
I bought my first ever LP tank last month. (I use charcoal when I grill yea= r 'around here in WI.) I bought the tank to use with a newly purchased torp= edo heater. 

When I hooked up the tank to the heater hose, the tank's valve turned out t= o be open about half way. The little plastic cover was on the valve so it a= ppeared newly filled. I was not able to get the heater to fire up the other= day when I tried for the first time. Since the temperature was in the low 30s, I just did the oil change = without using a heater in my shop. I am wondering if the tank was not full = or not....

Do these tanks have a some sort of safety thing on the valve to keep them f= rom emptying if the valve is not closed? Or was the tank just left open so = leaked empty?

Thanks
tim
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1- Can I hook up a normal trickle charger to a truck that has two batteries?  If so, how should I wire it?  I'm finding confusing info on the web.
Do I hook it up to one battery only?  
Do I put the pos on one batt and the neg on the other?
Do I need one for each battery?

2- Is there a 120vac themo switch for a trucks block heater?  (so it only turns on the block heater if the outside temp is below a certain temp?  (what would that temp ideally be?)

Thanks again all!

Thanks in advance.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 00536860852583B2_=-- --===============1141594156631560151== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1141594156631560151==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 12:02:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02EA25898BF for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:02:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f193.google.com (mail-oi1-f193.google.com [209.85.167.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962C32587AB3 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 10:21:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f193.google.com with SMTP id e7so2039738oia.8 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 09:21:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8wsQqhsUCcGFI+6JsjHkLcHUXo/X9cVnkHmBk2oh5W4=; b=IRrZ5+NOG27C+P69CvSCbpJtcIftxCNXIcR+K9AJtHd557SS7mGlCf2kTt1veJ9ir8 fq9AqqcZPs7JW9Emm5cIjgJf+jUeiTK4qx6Sck+U9DqbBtpTxjVnuUrZlTO3UM/jF9nx btY78nerzXXkNYYGxOCuXjlBvczgvkYbgmIEUzVH07Dd4+P7k/IdgX5p17SB2cUVS9qj xx7RcqNEVQyxwHlrR+gJAPeEKCQz/jRIGUCX8CoEk8xkujhr0n5BPpzHwXie0aCUAglz WTsz/SdJP0AwGOyj44ziZReVS6YSmDcR2D/YFEdeRY/XpyDOg2hXMzCmRfVVFhFVW+2b G9Ew== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8wsQqhsUCcGFI+6JsjHkLcHUXo/X9cVnkHmBk2oh5W4=; b=NMCAadHtLfcQRusUOd6rsXU1ZhQmJzWYtjApa8nI+nYfUi+h2vFGthTBzycp2Mqcwo 9P8u1vSEKdVFUil718ySChOarqwYE3Gl6ybO/EVNR+M8bbN8AKz4TDVeg6CeJyrOUM6a PkBKTGgzd9isDV4jeEmesopLGq401/CgiIRb2OajS+KA1MqWTAvADWLRRVK6xZ4kBGcf OTOejlrlTcHyzzCnfBxC2CVENwBZyNQeTwS2wJZR/qlNfxt6d+T5LrQc5h9xKme7rcCS F93f3cN/pMwNisFFwC3DabZEoTX/n4xXi6izeKovMpYgqev8kubQ6S1+2LHOMvfxfHhv Pdpw== cUBqlTvyn2C4TY8WUtUZFv1TAvpNXrNxtw3suhWRzd7T Sun, 03 Mar 2019 09:21:08 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:20:47 -0600 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hooking up a trickle charger to a truck with two batteries and a thermoswitch From: John Innis via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3500487153971130301== --000000000000a74e55058333dd20 Not sure about the trickle charger question, but the thermo switch you are looking for is here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ADUKRO/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_JYaFCbC4AWCWW The are available for different temp ratings. I use the on at 0, off at 10 for my block heater. It has worked flawlessly. On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Two Quick questions, > > 1- Can I hook up a normal trickle charger to a truck that has two > batteries? If so, how should I wire it? I'm finding confusing info on the > web. > Do I hook it up to one battery only? > Do I put the pos on one batt and the neg on the other? > Do I need one for each battery? > > 2- Is there a 120vac themo switch for a trucks block heater? (so it only > turns on the block heater if the outside temp is below a certain temp? > (what would that temp ideally be?) > > Thanks again all! > > Thanks in advance. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000a74e55058333dd20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure about the trickle charger q= uestion, but the thermo switch you are looking for is here:
The are available for different temp ratings.=C2=A0 = I use the on at 0, off at 10 for my block heater.=C2=A0 It has worked flawl= essly.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM eric--- via Shop-talk= <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Two Quick questions,

1- Can I hook up a normal trickle = charger to a truck that has two batteries?=C2=A0 If so, how should I wire it?=C2=A0= I'm finding confusing info on the web.
Do I hook it up to one battery onl= y? =C2=A0
Do I put the pos on one batt and t= he neg on the other?
Do I need one for each battery?

2- Is there a 120vac themo switch = for a trucks block heater? =C2=A0(so it only turns on the block heater if the outside temp is below a certain temp? =C2=A0(what would that temp ideally be?)

Thanks again all!

Thanks in advance.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The = other battery won't know it's there. If both batteries are going down regularly, you'll have to connect = similarly to the other battery to trickle-charge it and swap back and = forth, say twelve hours each. Or get another trickle charger for the second battery or a 24V version = that you can hook across both simultaneously. I don't know off-hand of a thermo switch; I just plug my block heater in = and have a timer on it so it gets a few hours of heat before the morning = start. I only plug the heater in when I know the night temperature will = be low enough to warrant the heat. Donald. *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2019-03-03 10:10 a.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > Two Quick questions, > = > 1- Can I hook up a normal trickle charger to a truck that has two = > batteries? =A0If so, how should I wire it? =A0I'm finding confusing info = on = > the web. > Do I hook it up to one battery only? > Do I put the pos on one batt and the neg on the other? > Do I need one for each battery? > = > 2- Is there a 120vac themo switch for a trucks block heater? =A0(so it = > only turns on the block heater if the outside temp is below a certain = > temp? =A0(what would that temp ideally be?) > = > Thanks again all! > = > Thanks in advance. > = > = > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > = > _______________________________________________ > = > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > = > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhloc= ker@comcast.net > = _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 13:30:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478EE25897C1 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:30:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1C2586191 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0W2thVn05k8iv0W2vhBCQK; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 18:41:10 +0000 To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 10:37:55 -0800 Thread-Index: AdTR4sbg6sGa8ChORfeVNhC9TsqXMwACAOgQ B5k3BBtURCL28Ci6CNbyRev6OIRQJ4Qv7iznwMPdnfLJTEMe60EMja6eqmhMV56sUICpXblm2kM0WHx6f+PW0ZBy83m4qS3Dy7o= Cc: 'Shop-talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hooking up a trickle charger to a truck with two batteries and a thermoswitch From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > 1- Can I hook up a normal trickle charger to a truck that has > two batteries? If so, how should I wire it? I'm finding > confusing info on the web. Depends on how/why it has two batteries (which in turn determines how they are wired). Is it a pair of 6v batteries in series to make 12v? Or a 12v for starting plus an isolated 12v to power a camper or trailer? Or a pair of 12v batteries in parallel? Or one of those screwy 12/24 volt setups that normally runs 12v parallel but switches to 24v series for starting? > 2- Is there a 120vac themo switch for a trucks block heater? > (so it only turns on the block heater if the outside temp is > below a certain temp? Should be lots of choices available, as general purpose 120vac thermostats. But make sure the set temperature can be set to the value you want, I found a lot of them that cannot be set below freezing. This one would need some mounting and wiring, but should do nicely https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OXPE8U6/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza > (what would that temp ideally be?) How cold can it be before your truck doesn't want to start? I might start at freezing, then work up or down in 5 or 10 degree increments depending on how easily it starts. Just a thought: You said this truck won't be used very often, right? You might want to consider a manual switch that you can flip on a few hours before you need the truck, rather than just heating it whenever it's cold. When I was a kid, Dad had his wired to the front porch light, so on cold mornings he could just flip the porch light switch on and it would be ready to start by the time he finished his eggs & coffee. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 14:58:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A7C258995F for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 14:58:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic302-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic302-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.135.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7298825898D4 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:00:28 -0700 (MST) t=1551639622; bh=IwPi3J/Q/kuKrFceU44jeKj7PpTFagimmkpoeBA/ybg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=XUk13UIiLp3qxkSLmDr9AnGjoPI4mVcCcMVYtnUQS6gi+Ebog6yf6WyMNUGqx9F7BNzsqZ8Hn7o/8tCL+g3eIGAsUjYRZrGY+hZGHa4ocYadcAj9YNhfRml6p3bH3g3YgV5sVgCd3YWXg5Z6oTyKa99V2xKF5bIKa+JWsQChE0GWoKeFqs+3I7pe2ulJ2g6KZSr/5KPeadOJPmhBOKj5OEyM2s8NCP8Jq/c8CW7Rl4OQj+oiEFiIsGr/7ES/byw9m3ooRBJg3VKj+o985nCIIqE2/wdweylI4mLn2b4pbCUmDLNA+EScnypBQHzRC+ShwJAM2XqeXkDRjcXKQ6tNjw== DVQMnR2VK64mBjyqFu_zEpgaNY9ILM1jEML9I8qKZ1JeGBh1jyex4o7F.6C5aC4P5KkZmmcBfA.m o1GWBunpgsjXEGTMyuvWjCBQxluCOnRiKBuqVka3fCy2LtthCENSsOs9ovPC1wMd0NGeRmv3io.h PPKA2aYmPywYzI_MNl_2jmRVdn_iKiT_gHP8wg7wKTEkqqKorQc0gQX59.roEi2prHxN4Rx3gGeW isfkJjnuvkR0C92kCPWMbngx1th2laH27F9rx16xSYJir5p7AJUkI1v119k._RKCx4Sc_S4COkbL VSaVusJSZ5K3Kiem1mtLzniB5ahYpUgCT1iDBxpDB40lnq_nEbVMGub8e4kL47ansQsdy52tHA.z 2sbtCQ3QNvp03bV3m0HlKf51RzzF5eui5ibzIMX7rVdZeWCmWLhaOrQdOQtr0NFg_lKOnSgxvP6K 5AQMuOKcL5qKwfwvMEae7cHRQPvv5PSMqEo0nOo99bI5FWMAvSNgMZ182UT.a3TS8Qy9JS27zzCK udQ4.jPlgaPli52k3cEkA_8bkwZzicdlRAsxr1Xq9ZsH0jBPMkeIyhX8SEVTgOiET.kFid98rcls R7q7bDM6aInP_9_i0ZLJ74th5pPF3CpLDCvFg8t.J3tqtFs1ikWYdStj2g14k5ZUSGG5yVnSY8S9 8vpfnfYo9WUqQnqyqfQ99G9BVFGss1nrTOISmOpSB.IocCJFFJzEg8ZLUE_s5v.dgYhsJuQp_l7W .921v.93m_kl.5jDjKiVdpzo5rHxI3TYKZMDLjK8_RKVV3fNaM6iZEt2YvgjlceHzh6eKUEKLk9m XBP0KF59lrovn5uyKLK.8QFUY1p8ex4UVe08uIjgQH.E852.Vggz3GOVmtv.caNc0tX5kBkt3Crj W5qQ2GlHXD4MRhbjlJ1vjnsh4vrf3ELTNamzOLvpc1rt08EC3XccoSjhDcJLjyyw2eydbKBQ2Qy4 QU1ugODA.iIzeNQL8uIiVn9VKrUtoBnpZ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:00:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:00:17 +0000 (UTC) To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <808460167.8507809.1551639617610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> SM-G935V Build/R16NW; wv) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Chrome/72.0.3626.105 Mobile Safari/537.36 AolApp/5.6.5.2101 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hooking up a trickle charger to a truck with two batteries and a thermoswitch From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5568194201935074379== boundary="----=_Part_8507808_75927690.1551639617609" ------=_Part_8507808_75927690.1551639617609 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depends.=C2=A0 Some dual battery systems have the batteries connected in pa= rallel full time.=C2=A0 In that case, one is all you need.=C2=A0 It doesn't= matter which one you connect it to. But some have a disconnect so you can run accessories until that battery go= es flat and the other one is fully charged for cranking.=C2=A0 In that case= you will need two. You can use a commercial HVAC temp contol from Granger's or similar for the= block heater.=20 Dave On Sunday, March 3, 2019 eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: Two Quick questions, 1- Can I hook up a normal trickle chargerto a truck that has two batteries?= =C2=A0If so, how should I wire it? =C2=A0I'mfinding confusing info on the = web. Do I hook it up to one battery only?=C2=A0 Do I put the pos on one batt and theneg on the other? Do I need one for each battery? 2- Is there a 120vac themo switch fora trucks block heater? =C2=A0(so it on= ly turns on the block heater if theoutside temp is below a certain temp? = =C2=A0(what would that temp ideallybe?) Thanks again all! Thanks in advance. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationalbe= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." RalphWaldo E= merson=20 -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_8507808_75927690.1551639617609 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Depends.  Some dual battery systems have the batteries connected in parallel full time.  In that case, one is all you need.  It doesn't matter which one you connect it to.

But some have a disconnect so you can run accessories until that battery goes flat and the other one is fully charged for cranking.  In that case you will need two.

You can use a commercial HVAC temp contol from Granger's or similar for the block heater.

Dave



On Sunday, March 3, 2019 eric--- via Shop-talk <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

Two Quick questions,

1- Can I hook up a normal trickle charger to a truck that has two batteries?  If so, how should I wire it?  I'm finding confusing info on the web.
Do I hook it up to one battery only?  
Do I put the pos on one batt and the neg on the other?
Do I need one for each battery?

2- Is there a 120vac themo switch for a trucks block heater?  (so it only turns on the block heater if the outside temp is below a certain temp?  (what would that temp ideally be?)

Thanks again all!

Thanks in advance.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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first, the truck is a 12vdc system (Ford f350 diesel)  I want to keep both batteries charged as it will not get too much use.  I would prefer one charger but would get two if needed.  (BTW, does anyone have any suggestions?  I burn through these pretty quickly it seems.  The best one I have they don't make anymore.)

As for the thermostat, I never know when I need to use the truck, so the 'few hours before' doesn't work.  I did buy one of the "on below 35, off at 45" units mentioned here.  How much electric can that use?  (BTW, I'm also 100% solar right now.)

Thanks again!


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Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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BatteryMinder.  That specific brand and no other.
Call them for a specific recommendation for your truck -= VDC Electronics in Huntington New York.  Super helpful on the phone.<= /div>

I have 7 of them and all= the batteries I keep on them last 12+ years.

Karl
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And a battery maintained this way seems to last for many yea= rs (the benefit of the desulfating function). They claim that "Unit can maintain up to six 12 Volt batteries at one time when connected in parallel by using SmarTechnology=99 Y-Connectors 210AY or customer supplied 18-Gauge insulated wire." So you should be able to handle both at the same time. They do specify that the multiple batteries should be at the same condition and stage of charging. It's temperature compensated so you don't get over/under charged in extreme temperatures. Here's one of them, http://www.batteryminders.com/2012-12-volt-desulfating-battery-charger-worl= dwide-use Several other models available also. Their web site is nice, it has a good "Knowledge" section to explain some of the details of the technology. Lee On Sun, March 3, 2019 13:04, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > OK, a few clarifications.... > > > first, the truck is a 12vdc system (Ford f350 diesel) I want to keep both > batteries charged as it will not get too much use. I would prefer one ch= arger > but would get two if needed. (BTW, does anyone have any suggestions? I = burn > through these pretty quickly it seems. The best one I have they don't ma= ke > anymore.) > > As for the thermostat, I never know when I need to use the truck, so the > 'few hours before' doesn't work. I did buy one of the "on below 35, off > at 45" units mentioned here. How much electric can that use? (BTW, I'm = also > 100% solar right now.) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 3 18:24:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609A72589475 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:24:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f193.google.com (mail-oi1-f193.google.com [209.85.167.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4948258030F for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 16:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f193.google.com with SMTP id s16so2409801oih.9 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 15:00:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=k3zOhIioyIslPGtJubrdpcaL2IgtXfkGwLUwxVnuajw=; b=KppujGhRq2sxcjSJAepQkC9P9ohsRRlbZQvszpw7CvpMJh9VmgcEHTtzmmTp0C+pVq SCVTCZZeINKUVTEC+u5lexSlO4lZOP+l/l1z8pGt3jYKPxZfdX7+8F1ZesIvsq6/uc73 znT+Do7QsJbI2tyJhiqi3Q3U4I9OJPnWSvYR+03Pn7UL+8UkLEL4XrDMmAZYIYSX4xQw 8OeguDPl4l/06nGxR2kZGg5xYf3bNAwAZpPybc0BrnIRVgycD6dKmd0kXZ3WNIKzjZBd 0SWFqzdUjqRcGSxGggZLxqo87vwDQ5Y+gTyxAcXsAbaymaJmra5CGScWEUkiVGdIxMaB wLlg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=k3zOhIioyIslPGtJubrdpcaL2IgtXfkGwLUwxVnuajw=; b=ZymAGnOq3zR5DsrzFYGY8Y617WpYyU71ukXEDKCnZyuoYQ7nVoBdxEUNnBrgBIKYXw AF8E6drbUYpi9okD/xtyLp16qHE80r0fZSVZVSEudg788ubbpsc2eXbu7FLeG52bXXb9 2+HFevc0XQ6d2cpxBi6og0a5sp+dzIQ0k1AsJRLIe1wHC3YIKO1vkpcP3BEZflerKj4P ssAma0Yk57NXZw4x4vyQ9KPdBeAljs7AjnlDjLFeO5CnL9dGR3oU9CRjTQVC7Je3PWvR ZxR9qbnqbrotfd5EqayC7zMHJdEJEz25m2UUqPJZwdf8f20T3YM1Srf936GGFmHngLL1 8OYQ== g9WxPp57JHgCFR0K+YLRXh/AUiVr3osIeQCNS9l7dA== Sun, 03 Mar 2019 15:00:34 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:00:23 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hooking up a trickle charger to a truck with two batteries and a thermoswitch From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3586059939763487078== --000000000000855c780583389b38 All the pickup truck based diesels I've seen come with two batteries in full-time parallel, but people like to modify them so you never know. I have seen heavier duty trucks that have a separate accessory battery so that running stuff too long doesn't leave you stranded. You could hook a trickle charger up to any positive or negative and it'll keep them both charged if they're in parallel, but I would get one that's a least a couple amps. They're big batteries and there's two. I'm not sure those wall-wart one's would do it. I have several Schumacher one's that are 1.5 or 2 amps and one that's up to 6 amps for use with a low battery that will drop to a trickle when its charged. Think I got them from Wal-Mart 5+ years ago for $20 or so, more for the 6A one. Ben On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:19 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > OK, a few clarifications.... > > first, the truck is a 12vdc system (Ford f350 diesel) I want to keep both > batteries charged as it will not get too much use. I would prefer one > charger but would get two if needed. (BTW, does anyone have any > suggestions? I burn through these pretty quickly it seems. The best one I > have they don't make anymore.) > > As for the thermostat, I never know when I need to use the truck, so the > 'few hours before' doesn't work. I did buy one of the "on below 35, off at > 45" units mentioned here. How much electric can that use? (BTW, I'm also > 100% solar right now.) > > Thanks again! > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > -- Ben Zwissler bjzwissler@gmail.com Columbus, IN --000000000000855c780583389b38 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All the pickup truck based diesels I've seen come with= two batteries in full-time parallel, but people like to modify them so you= never know.=C2=A0 I have seen heavier duty trucks that have a separate acc= essory battery so that running stuff too long doesn't leave you strande= d.=C2=A0=C2=A0

You could hook a trickle charger up to an= y positive or negative and it'll keep them both charged if they're = in parallel, but I would get one that's a least a couple amps.=C2=A0 Th= ey're big batteries and there's two.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm not sure t= hose wall-wart one's would do it.=C2=A0 I have several Schumacher one&#= 39;s that are 1.5 or 2 amps and one that's up to 6 amps for use with a = low battery that will drop to a trickle when its charged.=C2=A0 Think I got= them from Wal-Mart 5+ years ago for $20 or so, more for the 6A one.
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Ben=C2=A0

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:19 PM eric--- vi= a Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox= .team.net> wrote:
OK, a few clarifications...= .

first, the truck is a 12vdc system= (Ford f350 diesel) =C2=A0I want to keep both batteries charged as it will not get too much use.=C2=A0 I would prefer one charger but would get two if needed. =C2=A0(BTW, does anyone have any suggestions?=C2=A0 I burn through these pretty quickly it seems.=C2=A0 The best one I have they don't mak= e anymore.)

As for the thermostat, I never kno= w when I need to use the truck, so the 'few hours before' doesn't= work.=C2=A0 I did buy one of the "on below 35, off at 45" units mentioned here. =C2=A0How much electric can that use? =C2=A0(BTW, I'm also 100% solar r= ight now.)

Thanks again!


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(I heard truck and assumed (I know; I = know.) 24V, which is all I've experienced in trucks with two batteries.) = If both batteries are connected together (+ to + and - to -) all the = time, then a trickle charger only needs to be connected to either = battery. Both of their + terminals and both of their - terminals are = equivalent. The temperature sensor/switch itself should use only a few watts; it = could also be just a bimetal snap-switch that draws no power at all. = When the heater is on, that will consume [perhaps] 1000W, depending on = the heater. (My Subaru Outback block heater draws 400W for example. I = would expect a larger engine to be equipped with a larger heater.) HTH, Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 2019-03-03 2:04 p.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > OK, a few clarifications.... > = > first, the truck is a 12vdc system (Ford f350 diesel) =A0I want to keep = > both batteries charged as it will not get too much use. =A0I would prefer = > one charger but would get two if needed. =A0(BTW, does anyone have any = > suggestions? =A0I burn through these pretty quickly it seems. =A0The best = > one I have they don't make anymore.) > = > As for the thermostat, I never know when I need to use the truck, so the = > 'few hours before' doesn't work. =A0I did buy one of the "on below 35, of= f = > at 45" units mentioned here. =A0How much electric can that use? =A0(BTW, = I'm = > also 100% solar right now.) > = > Thanks again! > = > = > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = > territory." 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Mike On 3/3/2019 2:32 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote: > BatteryMinder.  That specific brand and no other. > > Call them for a specific recommendation for your truck - VDC > Electronics in Huntington New York.  Super helpful on the phone. > > I have 7 of them and all the batteries I keep on them last 12+ years. > > Karl > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com --------------2D1B24E6ED3FDD825E4EFE5F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I have had excellent luck with my BatteryMinder.  I ordered direct, and it even came with a digital voltmeter to check the battery.

Mike

On 3/3/2019 2:32 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
BatteryMinder.  That specific brand and no other.

Call them for a specific recommendation for your truck - VDC Electronics in Huntington New York.  Super helpful on the phone.

I have 7 of them and all the batteries I keep on them last 12+ years.

Karl

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--------------2D1B24E6ED3FDD825E4EFE5F-- --===============4652183935285531110== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4652183935285531110==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 16:48:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A420325883F8 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:48:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f50.google.com (mail-io1-f50.google.com [209.85.166.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844142588B26 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 15:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id p17so8443239iol.7 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:20:30 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-language :thread-index; bh=eFKAMpHFXUvcTUtDUPMo82JVxihCQEFkW0E15XTqHfo=; b=JRAn20yvkm1ac2K+ZvcjaNnnHIyVr4UySEsTRVqD0lNhPetM8+yQ9nw+jLdxIBXRg6 Qi3gcPTQQ/U/QgyNZMDT0MQGIisbgT6WRwqPxb7/nBAMcxHKZt5CWP/di30dUCbq8B0Q x06JBvx8J2EM63cH5DVQhNmLasody+n+lzlYrZVNUpZNi+CcSNKpjDW4Tm0PKO8noYdd +OBdUB/F2XfHft7M6UnOTgxgjE3kOkAH+gE60xtlDR1sQBYnM4b+vnSl8uLHSdUxu51l /8z8kuX17w7A9RBdCR9LMBWxdNLah7SrkxGuIH71Dr1R72lMMchFgvTHbHom3+D2lNPK 6+ZQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-language:thread-index; bh=eFKAMpHFXUvcTUtDUPMo82JVxihCQEFkW0E15XTqHfo=; b=Sp2+lBZT+tEFxKTtAf9PKv+d3EfQuQLfhC3G2dqZFbA53FAqsB+eudju8s25kR08V/ Lz57+IJThpf6dcDWh0lZRmS+mDjdgyWbyHQgjUPIod+E0G4Q9d1b/ZyyIQs30KxtiKV0 xM3yaHrIiAI5L9n9TmyrXAGB68inofA+jlvJ7wckQRnn+KPSB86cfNdTlGRh9Y7vjSSk Bq2ivC5fBd20CH9NRnE4g0jdBGEK4iSzuBPIaZs17AJMDFa7xFCdJLOJelHXf2PHq3lq 9mxkF7JQszqX8XpCEkYvNnIF1PbTDEfz5lgpUbYVvcRKxT3/bc9kVkFDbkhEO3aoV6m1 /wFg== SpdtgCR8wXp86KUQyhW/5dsxyUXq Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from KarlIntel ([2601:243:2080:19b0:1946:f714:ef05:8b05]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i198sm440156iti.18.2019.03.05.14.20.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:20:24 -0600 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdTToPVwxq8fv0XZSziD8nK+wBxPlw== Subject: [Shop-talk] Bodywork on pots and pans From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1577115313879272588== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01D4D36F.56E11850" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D4D36F.56E11850 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever tried to work out a dent on a Revere copper-clad pot, in the copper-clad area? Has anyone ever tried to shrink out stretch in the bottom of a large Revere copper-clad skillet? Two things occur to me, and keep me from trying. Will pushing out a disable dent in the radiused area between the bottom and side cause the copper cladding to separate? Will heating and rapidly cooling to shrink the center of a warped copper-clad skillet cause separation? Heating in a little spot to shrink will be a good trick anyway, I'm sure, because the copper will do its job and spread the heat rapidly. Ideas? Thanks ! Karl ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D4D36F.56E11850 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone ever tried to work out a dent on a Revere = copper-clad pot, in the copper-clad area?

Has anyone ever tried to shrink out stretch in the = bottom of a large Revere copper-clad skillet?

Two things occur to me, and keep me from = trying…

Will pushing out a = disable dent in the radiused area between the bottom and side cause the = copper cladding to separate?

Will = heating and rapidly cooling to shrink the center of a warped copper-clad = skillet cause separation?

Heating in = a little spot to shrink will be a good trick anyway, I’m sure, = because the copper will do its job and spread the heat = rapidly.

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks = !

Karl

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D4D36F.56E11850-- --===============1577115313879272588== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1577115313879272588==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 11:43:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066C12589606 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:43:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092010095.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.10.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093772589227 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:07:03 -0700 (MST) h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=NkbjaAYaR4SRoKHrkJSA+AwCzwB1Lkriwr5WgTxA6WY=; b=FtchB8OkSuovitGZ7B9Nyt0xR0Io4sBXqjcEKu1Aio9rA//QiWRTIuBEPeWUIuVbbARsUU/VgGbkxSRVU1R0uaGoRUE26jszM5y/Ew3PYdXGVxSlPmxH2lnrLA8sj2aFj/KfZh+kdaYjhdfAth1JaFJ9nr4ZXpN4hLLhLfroo1qU/1zV94mXHemzpHEmXaSAaff9to/1JPZYgKyIXBEWQvYsGpIxw0xKH8YU4f74EdlxHYadcE6/IRyrkk/ttEi52EKI7wBkpzRKWrPDUzHmoBFX9dtQ5FwjTX7ofyFfdiPUE0biqUVA+oqG3hFHNq5M1O2rps6kINtPrxhZUcsa6A== Received: from CO1NAM04FT048.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.51) by CO1NAM04HT043.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.182) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:06:48 +0000 Received: from BYAPR05MB6102.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.152.90.59) by CO1NAM04FT048.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.166) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:06:48 +0000 Received: from BYAPR05MB6102.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::ddfe:7322:21d9:6795]) by BYAPR05MB6102.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::ddfe:7322:21d9:6795%2]) with mapi id 15.20.1709.009; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:06:48 +0000 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: IR thermomemters Thread-Index: AQHU1QauwJTn0IWCVkaMb8sqLFfDLw== Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:06:48 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:EDD535BF6CD51BD8246E78BDEB9BAAA583B13DCBAC0130A33FDEFD7DABF95B3E; UpperCasedChecksum:AE088DC1A906D3FBC3F909FDC512ADA2C4DB180C1A3195C9DC0396A8C4BAE5CF; SizeAsReceived:6541; Count:41 x-tmn: [CdZNcWjZkQMqjMpqFSkm/mF7MdPi8q0y] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT043; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CO1NAM04HT043: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 1P3LCQQjSqTt5I1CjbxDGOZZ2SOBqhVIMazduc348jpzT5a50nikN44xKslXj5p/ Subject: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5788694100053077963== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BYAPR05MB61022798952BF12649C09343D84C0BYAPR05MB6102namp_" --_000_BYAPR05MB61022798952BF12649C09343D84C0BYAPR05MB6102namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it does = not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for abou= t $144. I think it would be great. Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 = with similar specs. Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money he= re, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/featu= res do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop? For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures= on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >10= 00 degrees F probably would be useful. To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., w= ork as well. I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences. Thank you. best, doug --_000_BYAPR05MB61022798952BF12649C09343D84C0BYAPR05MB6102namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,

I want to acquire a IR thermometer fo= r motorcycle/automotive work--it does not need to be certified. I am lookin= g at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for about $144. I think it would be great.

Of course you can find IR thermometers like = Etekcity Lasergrip 77= 4 for $16 with similar specs. 

F= rankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money her= e, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/features&n= bsp;do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop? &n= bsp;
<= br>
F= or example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures = on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful.
<= br>
T= o be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., wo= rk as well.
<= br>
I= would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you.
<= br>

best,


doug

--_000_BYAPR05MB61022798952BF12649C09343D84C0BYAPR05MB6102namp_-- --===============5788694100053077963== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5788694100053077963==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 21:13:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDF425878AE for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 21:13:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM06-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092033085.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.33.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688792588824 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:27:01 -0700 (MST) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Q5Q3ltO1XzAU4IajiDH7KZEOyjrcyeU6apxV/jazUt8=; b=MoZwp0T+KIT/as+UxMSQh7FT4ym1RsDWzoE++xKiMiu6c6RlDNudh5nc+Ozy61v2cl1hf0Pt+fSvQ6OYIJPfZRvOrkohts3eQwsiqBiV+TYCspIrryC69S6FD/WAy20CTE63mypW9VMB0kXWBpHOFHrpnvAaaeI2a2W4B59dx6tvqCp1nbdn6jOJBedB3rAyWv+zIaOy79nOHomjFnN/SCobSo8lP6KwbaReJw5JuF95u7ieSa3cyU4s+s0CA9VpnMvTWus0q1lIusqpcLpkh5kxI8TBPJlPUguYB6uVhauyp6uY+YxXnZ5lwZk+t32OnnXWBqdpXYRV7sgc7aS3wQ== Received: from BL2NAM06FT004.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.106.59) by BL2NAM06HT046.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.107.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1709.0; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:26:48 +0000 Received: from MWHPR13MB1309.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.106.55) by BL2NAM06FT004.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.106.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1709.0 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:26:48 +0000 Received: from MWHPR13MB1309.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::99d4:2f59:cf5b:fb03]) by MWHPR13MB1309.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::99d4:2f59:cf5b:fb03%7]) with mapi id 15.20.1709.005; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:26:48 +0000 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" , Old Dirtbeard Thread-Topic: IR thermomemters Thread-Index: AQHU1QauwJTn0IWCVkaMb8sqLFfDL6YAjPPa Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:26:48 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:48C1860604A7324F4703CE4B8213B9656A296B751E9CFD1F322C097AFB3B5D09; UpperCasedChecksum:DD098B229843A9F18A1FA17FD7EAFF15FEE20E993D02DA6253CE8DA16FD4C14B; SizeAsReceived:6859; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [YKi9jcqa9c5pwRj8WgYXeT9a8lkHGrfs] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-exchange-slblob-mailprops: 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 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(201702181274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:BL2NAM06HT046; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BL2NAM06HT046: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: ORqt7pC9KaWd/Q8TzAxDtGyhpelWI0kYVy4qIfvopuagtvUnTYk43H/l9uFzHiuP Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4945157970532105108== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MWHPR13MB13093532C5892B88CD3EEE98B44C0MWHPR13MB1309namp_" --_000_MWHPR13MB13093532C5892B88CD3EEE98B44C0MWHPR13MB1309namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Mastercool #52224-SP. I bought it for under $100 -- I want to say = $75. I do not remember where I got it. It was initially bought/used when th= e R16 in my Roadster was overheating. It worked fine for what I needed it f= or then. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Old Dirtbea= rd via Shop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:06 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters Hi guys, I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it does = not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for abou= t $144. I think it would be great. Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 = with similar specs. Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money he= re, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/featu= res do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop? For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures= on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >10= 00 degrees F probably would be useful. To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., w= ork as well. I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences. Thank you. best, doug --_000_MWHPR13MB13093532C5892B88CD3EEE98B44C0MWHPR13MB1309namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a Mastercool #52224-SP. I bought it for under $100 -- I want to say = $75. I do not remember where I got it. It was initially bought/used when th= e R16 in my Roadster was overheating. It worked fine for what I needed it f= or then. 

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:06 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters
 
Hi guys,

I want to acquire a IR thermometer for = motorcycle/automotive work--it does not need to be certified. I am looking = at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for about $144. I think it would be great.

Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 w= ith similar specs. 

Frank= ly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money here, b= ut I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/features do y= ou consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop?  

For e= xample, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures on m= otorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful.

To be= frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., work a= s well.

I wou= ld appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you.<= /font>

best,


doug

--_000_MWHPR13MB13093532C5892B88CD3EEE98B44C0MWHPR13MB1309namp_-- --===============4945157970532105108== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4945157970532105108==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 22:35:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901352589C98 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 22:35:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D774258967C for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:24:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F641EC2B7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7C8n9mtLGyct for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (bi-03pt1.bluebird.ibm.com [129.42.208.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1DDB1EC2B4 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:24:39 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:24:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6340847917814593125== boundary="------------FC5C63842E5F095C380EB7D3" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FC5C63842E5F095C380EB7D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have an Etekcity thermometer.  Forgot the model number.  I've compared its readings with both a Thermopen digital meat thermometer and my Seek thermal imager and they're in agreement to within a degree or two.  That's good enough for me.  Granted, my tests were at household oven temperatures so perhaps a more expensive Fluke will do better at exhaust system temperatures. My advice would be to try the $16 Etekcity.  If it doesn't work for you, simply return it or put it on a shelf and buy the Fluke (and pretend the Fluke simply cost $160). I have no objection to spending $$ to buy quality tools, especially when a failure could result in injury or death.  But I'm also not opposed to buying a lesser tool if it performs comparably well.  For example, I use a $10 Bluetooth ODB-II reader + a couple $5 smartphone apps rather than $100 for a dedicated reader.  My reader doesn't handle ABS codes but so far I've never needed to scan for one (knock on wood). On 3/7/19 12:06 PM, Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote: > Hi guys, > > I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it > does not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus > IR for about $144. I think it would be great. > > Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for > $16 with similar specs. > > Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving > money here, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what > actual specs/features do you consider most relevant for day-to--day > work in the shop? > > For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust > temperatures on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am > thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful. > > To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, > etc., work as well. > > I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you. > > best, > > > doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------FC5C63842E5F095C380EB7D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have an Etekcity thermometer.  Forgot the model number.  I've compared its readings with both a Thermopen digital meat thermometer and my Seek thermal imager and they're in agreement to within a degree or two.  That's good enough for me.  Granted, my tests were at household oven temperatures so perhaps a more expensive Fluke will do better at exhaust system temperatures.

My advice would be to try the $16 Etekcity.  If it doesn't work for you, simply return it or put it on a shelf and buy the Fluke (and pretend the Fluke simply cost $160).

I have no objection to spending $$ to buy quality tools, especially when a failure could result in injury or death.  But I'm also not opposed to buying a lesser tool if it performs comparably well.  For example, I use a $10 Bluetooth ODB-II reader + a couple $5 smartphone apps rather than $100 for a dedicated reader.  My reader doesn't handle ABS codes but so far I've never needed to scan for one (knock on wood).



On 3/7/19 12:06 PM, Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote:
Hi guys,

I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it does not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for about $144. I think it would be great.

Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 with similar specs. 

Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money here, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/features do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop?  

For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful.

To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., work as well.

I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you.

best,


doug


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--------------FC5C63842E5F095C380EB7D3-- --===============6340847917814593125== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6340847917814593125==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 01:36:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A20825893E6 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:36:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291901.me.com (ms11p00im-qufo17291901.me.com [17.58.38.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1359C2589836 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:23:48 -0700 (MST) s=04042017; t=1552001022; bh=Bm3QeWxpLm9TydGnbqGhsz6iwqu+hvGrrCH1gwC/sik=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DmCrrZp9gjBlrSKh92iUoodgrakSvTaDtv26897qq8uH04cjoYFtiHC4uq5rhveLQ /mBH8jyFBeT5UnzWvv0G6P8mzD/3ShwipIlrSWpMxe6wqtFICyZdN8E2QgBb9PhFqs vcmSGnLiX4+kV4w2gJePE0kMbkQIzIzqzcKe7OmOWgi7sxITGAlvZqRYf3dJ6t5b1U ZFbqxuK2nsd6YJZ5tHhDMDmOCGZ7tkQLWnnheHV4eJzO16VeSEoEgdw2SZYCr8+9Fj TYsn8Jcdo8sVFryQPbq2kICe2dqI24S6sMlHSXmPFo6b7sxGSr/bZyvY8ItkTs786r giiEzmQ+Y7LtQ== Received: from PatM6400 (unknown [184.105.18.13]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2A3C5801D1 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:23:41 +0000 (UTC) To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:23:36 -0600 Thread-Index: AdTVPMojhTlLmNWmTDKQOY7oc9cquw== Content-Language: en-us definitions=2019-03-07_14:, , signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=615 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1903070153 Subject: [Shop-talk] electric hoist trolley i-beam sizing From: Pat Horne via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6117470130961273552== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4D50A.80BA4FB0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4D50A.80BA4FB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an electric hoist that is rated at 500 lbs. The trolley for the I-beam is rated for 1000 lbs. I want to install an I-beam on the ceiling to support the beam. The I-beam would be about 10' long, supported as often as needed, but probably at least at the ends and center. Closer supports are possible. The ceiling trusses will support the additional load. The trolley will adjust down to about 3". I don't have the ability to understand the on line calculators to select the I-beam. I'd like to keep the price & weight of the beam to a minimum. Anyone able to help me select an I-beam? Peace, Pat ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4D50A.80BA4FB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have an = electric hoist that is rated at 500 lbs. The trolley for the I-beam is = rated for 1000 lbs. I want to install an I-beam on the ceiling to = support the beam.

The I-beam would = be about 10’ long, supported as often as needed, but probably at = least at the ends and center. Closer supports are possible. The ceiling = trusses will support the additional load.

The trolley will adjust down to about = 3”.

 

I don’t have the ability to understand the on = line calculators to select the I-beam.  I’d like to keep the = price & weight of the beam to a minimum.  Anyone able to help = me select an I-beam?

 

Peace,

Pat

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4D50A.80BA4FB0-- --===============6117470130961273552== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6117470130961273552==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 04:58:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83CF2589EF8 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 04:58:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8612589C15 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 21:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209.cox.net ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20190308044406.BYZA14663.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo209.cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:44:06 -0500 a=vytuAFhf8Npo5rJvX1IL5Q==:117 a=l_x1QW7kL0oA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=eAHh5xn87CqhCoTaUSUA:9 a=EAwT4nJmJqiyFPbv:21 a=5DY3VPPFBaihskRm:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=a8TET0oJ7OVDBwQYtUUA:9 a=ERHfIjEKF3mxvDTz:21 a=1Jk0PtLw01NwkOJV:21 a=jNd0JoApsViIAatg:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 23:44:05 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net d13.prod.outlook.com> References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: "John T. Blair via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0601104892204231009== boundary="=====================_56108926==.ALT" --=====================_56108926==.ALT Personally, I'm very happy with my Harborfreight IR thermometer. I've had it for over 10 years. It seems to work very well, and be pretty accurate. You can get them for about $30. I think when I got mine it was about $60. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_56108926==.ALT Personally, I'm very happy with my Harborfreight IR thermometer.  I've had it
for over 10 years.  It seems to work very well, and be pretty accurate. 

You can get them for about $30.  I think when I got mine it was about $60.

John



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John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Bricklin:     www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 


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Thread-Topic: IR thermomemters Thread-Index: AQHU1QauwJTn0IWCVkaMb8sqLFfDL6YAjPPagACjNyY= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 05:11:10 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:A830825308917B98DAAC248C52B0945C66438B85C322F415C503F8C5F4465478; UpperCasedChecksum:F7A076AEA67FFA66357D4BBD29F711AF0509A636E24FC8FE161FA4F37EBA907A; SizeAsReceived:7028; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [tzUysPBRSMDup3HTvIPitT5kronWAn0a] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-exchange-slblob-mailprops: 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 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(201702181274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:BY2NAM03HT091; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BY2NAM03HT091: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: YQ8IbmcjULF8sde+tzW2qBNfq3z894a3ZSHr4vQS5Q7A46RICVPzoJlqvkljnOym Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1209380701631689658== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB13029B0DB3BEF4758BF69C4AB44D0CY4PR13MB1302namp_" --_000_CY4PR13MB13029B0DB3BEF4758BF69C4AB44D0CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WTF.............I received this reply just now after sending it nearly half= a day ago. Thought things were going to be fixed. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . via S= hop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:26 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net; Old Dirtbeard Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters I have a Mastercool #52224-SP. I bought it for under $100 -- I want to say = $75. I do not remember where I got it. It was initially bought/used when th= e R16 in my Roadster was overheating. It worked fine for what I needed it f= or then. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Old Dirtbea= rd via Shop-talk Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:06 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters Hi guys, I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it does = not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for abou= t $144. I think it would be great. Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 = with similar specs. Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money he= re, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/featu= res do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop? For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures= on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >10= 00 degrees F probably would be useful. To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., w= ork as well. I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences. Thank you. best, doug --_000_CY4PR13MB13029B0DB3BEF4758BF69C4AB44D0CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WTF.............I received this reply just now after sending it nearly half= a day ago. 

Thought things were going to be fixed. 

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:26 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net; Old Dirtbeard
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters
 
I have a Mastercool #52224-SP. I bought it for under $100 -- I want to say = $75. I do not remember where I got it. It was initially bought/used when th= e R16 in my Roadster was overheating. It worked fine for what I needed it f= or then. 

From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk &l= t;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:06 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters
 
Hi guys,

I want to acquire a IR thermometer for = motorcycle/automotive work--it does not need to be certified. I am looking = at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for about $144. I think it would be great.

Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 w= ith similar specs. 

Frank= ly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money here, b= ut I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/features do y= ou consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop?  

For e= xample, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures on m= otorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful.

To be= frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., work a= s well.

I wou= ld appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you.<= /font>

best,


doug

--_000_CY4PR13MB13029B0DB3BEF4758BF69C4AB44D0CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============1209380701631689658== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1209380701631689658==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 16:43:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46FE2589DFE for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221EA258A3D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:29:53 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 14:29:51 -0500 03/08/2019 02:29:59 PM, Serialize complete at 03/08/2019 02:29:59 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3092180835252039709== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006B1B98852583B7_= OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.' It's $14 bucks, so I got it. But my question is, do you really need them? Can I just remove it and leave it out? I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air. In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane. But is there anything it is protecting? Thanks in advance! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 006B1B98852583B7_= OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in advance!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 006B1B98852583B7_=-- --===============3092180835252039709== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3092180835252039709==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 17:17:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B731258A066 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:17:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ADC2589CE7 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342204119FCC for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:39:58 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:39:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/7/19 10:11 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk wrote: > WTF.............I received this reply just now after sending it nearly = > half a day ago. > > Thought things were going to be fixed. The message got held back for some reason, I don't remember exactly = why.=A0 And I apologize that I can not just snap my fingers and have = everything just magically work perfectly. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 17:34:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D98258A087 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:34:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com (mail-qt1-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3A62589CE7 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id f11so5482532qti.7 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2019 12:40:15 -0800 (PST) h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LNcXFdJj9PWV1iq9FAy1p7/40n41DfljWhQaVur/QRg=; b=K4gGHqPVpj2YLZ0K/DMuTIDkK+tMFI3lVByhYQkyYYAzjjmqjFj3sazk9vkgwGa0gB oe+5IAen8lSh04NzJGZovbG7Jcn1a7oU8SEFXrZXKPIS8izyLEkfMwv1H3HDie7ErFEc KEv/VMjKUVbghfF+a1VaO221zMZKr95ruSndQ3OQV1hUNJ90CL6S0iYH27qgUt91O2uf vIQ2YoCRXebZTSVhKkxbhE9WUxFh6W4LjfzH2ju3wqOatIm1B+rN20jB1ovh4RZCvnJP Csfn7qfNdS/7e1jiXOeYpBjD/elf5xd5MY0e5q6mSJK/rqwn+HKaxbFpXluAoJdlhs6S aKwQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LNcXFdJj9PWV1iq9FAy1p7/40n41DfljWhQaVur/QRg=; b=W6jc1whtSoStf5vYV5CZHfL2Au39zt32b6r3FdZwIJu/bRQBVHwkki0HQnUHDRMSzD UjhJdjjk0yjRCTI/CXZhpeWUYg/xk//zA5zE6cdf+TOUZZKMxAKqrvz4W3vHTVv1U1Bb QPH6TmwML4HL/PGv/uqb+qtekh8jMXJbewZjl9FAB6keY19W1WPKBLYhBibywWPRPXNP +IL0YAyxjS9Vuxeh+PTNqDpMtlWj5U4sHXqfWOpiaCc9FwN7WFwBNcoCiweB4TKPMJvG uB211M2R4TXfjA7j1KxTPYP/nOAANpyKqj5vczJjI/MfTLglriAEV+gbmEydYkog+tSp w29w== 2dWKEMuKp0PLz7tV9ALo2ILaxrfA Fri, 08 Mar 2019 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from jims-air.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n17sm4597096qke.89.2019.03.08.12.40.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Mar 2019 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:40:03 -0500 References: <2122523.Klur7ISz7n@johnpc> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood - Back again for the third time From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9087616519856909205== boundary="Apple-Mail=_82A9E994-70E5-4849-8F8A-C1F4A64C219E" --Apple-Mail=_82A9E994-70E5-4849-8F8A-C1F4A64C219E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I know this discussion has been put to bed twice already, but a friend = just sent me this link and I couldn=E2=80=99t help but think of the = topic: = https://www.furymix.com/products/grinder-disc-chainsaw?fbclid=3DIwAR1u7xzD= GCe2A0xxah7iEY2XEFAg8_3VIDZgtv1BNOc5tllIH1XtyJnFMAg = I don=E2=80=99t know what to think of this. Part of me wants one really = badly. And the rest of me wants fingers. Jim > On Feb 10, 2019, at 6:30 PM, John P. New via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > Heh, the original post was in December 2018, so you've just forgotten = that you saw it... >=20 > John P. New > London, Ontario, Canada >=20 > On Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:07:33 PM EST Randall via Shop-talk = wrote: >> Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again. I got Phil's = reply, >> but not the original post. >>=20 >> Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the = table >> saw trick. But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated = several >> times to get 1/2" depth. A good carbide wood blade will cut = sideways, but >> only to the depth of the carbide inserts. >>=20 >> Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you = need. >> Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of = the bench >> (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end. = Main >> difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn = it >> slowly enough. I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would >> probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic = speed >> control. >>=20 >> -- Randall=20 >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jnew@hazelden.ca = >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_82A9E994-70E5-4849-8F8A-C1F4A64C219E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = know this discussion has been put to bed twice already, but a friend = just sent me this link and I couldn=E2=80=99t help but think of the = topic:

https://www.furymix.com/products/grinder-disc-chainsaw?fbclid=3D= IwAR1u7xzDGCe2A0xxah7iEY2XEFAg8_3VIDZgtv1BNOc5tllIH1XtyJnFMAg

I don=E2=80=99t know = what to think of this.  Part of me wants one really badly. =  And the rest of me wants fingers.

Jim

On Feb = 10, 2019, at 6:30 PM, John P. New via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Heh, the original post was in = December 2018, so you've just forgotten that you saw it...

John P. New
London, Ontario, = Canada

On Sunday, = February 10, 2019 4:07:33 PM EST Randall via Shop-talk wrote:
Hmm, = looks like the list server is stuttering again.  I got Phil's = reply,
but not the original post.

Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try = doing the table
saw trick.  But it would have to be a = very shallow cut, repeated several
times to get 1/2" = depth.  A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, but
only to the depth of the carbide inserts.

Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the = swing you need.
Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one = end hangs off the edge of the bench
(giving you somewhere = around 7' of swing) and drive the other end.  Main
difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train = to turn it
slowly enough.  I've got a DC motor from = an old treadmill that would
probably do the job, combined = with a decent (load sensing) electronic speed
control.

-- Randall 
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71 Stag LE1473 - = awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox = rebuild 

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= --Apple-Mail=_82A9E994-70E5-4849-8F8A-C1F4A64C219E-- --===============9087616519856909205== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============9087616519856909205==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 21:04:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DEB258A0F0 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:04:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11442589BA4 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 2Q3ehwAovk8iv2Q3hhI32y; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:41:49 +0000 Cc: "'Shop-talk'" References: <6.2.5.6.1.20190307234140.04aef880@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:38:29 -0800 Thread-Index: AdTWCd9MM0z7b08sTPGiMZlY/vgd3AABWOwg q0clePtpIT9UgYPhauFj+EWhMXNX3aqM9PN7slnAy3F/5oCiTooxfL+I Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Personally, I'm very happy with my Harborfreight IR > thermometer. I've had it for over 10 years. It seems to > work very well, and be pretty accurate. Me too. But I'm pretty sure the one I got won't read to 1000F. They've got one now tho, for under $20, that says it will read to 1022F (550C). Also has an adjustment for surface emissivity (which I don't think mine has). Might be good enough for Doug's use. https://www.harborfreight.com/121-infrared-laser-thermometer-63985.html -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 21:22:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339C3258A0FC for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:22:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373EC2589F72 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:58:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.235]) by resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 2OrhhebITuXuh2QJXhNLog; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:58:11 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1552093091; bh=SK7SRwjGcSqwAjq+S+Eb2naTqdY7oump9OPhZU+CR/4=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UCkxBxHfqJdNWzfOvv0cmrCJhPYHdTsHHhqm17/fUSzvoHB+tdVm7Be8Gca+pYEhr FPntjRVlNu0Ga2Ur3Q7Il1pKB3uDKG6AoZ5Jjr3AmUaoRWsXzuCZXx15wCf6IMklaM 3FDBlV4/p2/BH89BVkYkr7JalOGAMRc+Ii9R7ympq/rNuhlNqKyFVND/jPb4A8yKa4 2qFl3RbPZPU1U55Lnh1Gh5PPZosEq+R437XAHhs7BgdEWaOYrIJAj5MoV9PUPQDM+S r0uJtki6WoH6rVB2d6QF6q7qH21xDTcI9KZM2YDwC+Fc70glOH2y1jLvWZYk28nB7k eIvJhICAUfY7g== Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([IPv6:2601:601:1500:a216:ed86:be86:b818:783b]) by resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 2QJWhghqSpPSP2QJWhKAHu; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:58:11 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2122523.Klur7ISz7n@johnpc> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:58:09 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood - Back again for the third time From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8730191883639911939== boundary="------------6525CFDF9CD450DD8D51F2C1" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6525CFDF9CD450DD8D51F2C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scary. On 3/8/2019 12:40 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote: > I know this discussion has been put to bed twice already, but a friend > just sent me this link and I couldn’t help but think of the topic: > > https://www.furymix.com/products/grinder-disc-chainsaw?fbclid=IwAR1u7xzDGCe2A0xxah7iEY2XEFAg8_3VIDZgtv1BNOc5tllIH1XtyJnFMAg > > I don’t know what to think of this.  Part of me wants one really > badly.  And the rest of me wants fingers. > > Jim > >> On Feb 10, 2019, at 6:30 PM, John P. New via Shop-talk >> >> Heh, the original post was in December 2018, so you've just forgotten >> that you saw it... >> >> John P. New >> London, Ontario, Canada >> >> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:07:33 PM EST Randall via Shop-talk wrote: >>> Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again.  I got Phil's >>> reply, >>> but not the original post. >>> >>> Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing >>> the table >>> saw trick.  But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several >>> times to get 1/2" depth.  A good carbide wood blade will cut >>> sideways, but >>> only to the depth of the carbide inserts. >>> >>> Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need. >>> Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of >>> the bench >>> (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end.  Main >>> difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it >>> slowly enough.  I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would >>> probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) >>> electronic speed >>> control. >>> >>> -- Randall >>> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >>> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >>> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation  $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jnew@hazelden.ca >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation  $12.96 >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com --------------6525CFDF9CD450DD8D51F2C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Scary.

On 3/8/2019 12:40 PM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
I know this discussion has been put to bed twice already, but a friend just sent me this link and I couldn’t help but think of the topic:


I don’t know what to think of this.  Part of me wants one really badly.  And the rest of me wants fingers.

Jim

On Feb 10, 2019, at 6:30 PM, John P. New via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

Heh, the original post was in December 2018, so you've just forgotten that you saw it...

John P. New
London, Ontario, Canada

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:07:33 PM EST Randall via Shop-talk wrote:
Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again.  I got Phil's reply,
but not the original post.

Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the table
saw trick.  But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several
times to get 1/2" depth.  A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, but
only to the depth of the carbide inserts.

Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need.
Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of the bench
(giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end.  Main
difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it
slowly enough.  I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would
probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic speed
control.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

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I'll bite.  First, what do you mean by 'due?'  Is your current one sprouting new life forms?  Or is it just 'cause the owner's manual says 'Change thy cabin air filter every 30,000 miles, else Thor will come down from Olympus and smite thee with his hammer?'

Seriousness aside, if your cabin HVAC system is functioning properly; i.e. no unintended holes, oil leaks, etc. a filter will keep some dust and dirt out of your cabin, so it will stay just a bit cleaner.  If you live in a dusty environment; say, the Mojave or parts of Nevada, you'd probably want to change it more often than the 'book' says.  If you live in a really humid place; say, Seattle you might want to change it more often too, to keep mildew spores down.  Otherwise, you can probably go 100K miles without messin' with it (esp. if it's a PITA to get to--most are).  I've tried the ones with activated charcoal embedded in them, and I did think the cabin air smelled a bit fresher for a while--placebo effect, maybe--but it's just a little bit of charcoal and probably gets saturated in a couple hundred miles anyway.

Also, it's fourteen bucks!  You can probably get them in bulk for cheaper from RockAuto, Amazon, etc. (but you DO get what you pay for).

Bob

On 3/8/2019 11:29 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in advance!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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-Who is John Galt?
--------------984238F3B729DDC18D1D854F-- --===============3887856069256344959== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3887856069256344959==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 21:58:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A74258A510 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:58:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net (relay12.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2158F258A0BF for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 18:04:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0624200003 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 01:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:04:43 -0500 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5951339146435184278== boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F37F21E-736A-46BE-9308-A591D8A67E60" --Apple-Mail=_5F37F21E-736A-46BE-9308-A591D8A67E60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Living in the northeast, I really appreciate the salt dust being = filtered out of my cabin, as well as regular road dust. I am a big fan.=20= However, the Mini had theirs exposed so the mice routinely saw it as a = nice foyer. It needs to be implemented well. jim > On Mar 8, 2019, at 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'=20 >=20 > It's $14 bucks, so I got it. But my question is, do you really need = them? Can I just remove it and leave it out? I'm not allergic nor am I = needing to have 'filtered' air. In fact, I think the whole idea of them = is insane. But is there anything it is protecting? =20 >=20 > Thanks in advance!=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5F37F21E-736A-46BE-9308-A591D8A67E60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii Living in the northeast, I really appreciate the salt dust being filtered out of my cabin, as well as regular road dust. I am a big fan. 

However, the Mini had theirs exposed so the mice routinely saw it as a nice foyer. It needs to be implemented well.

jim

On Mar 8, 2019, at 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in advance!


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--Apple-Mail=_5F37F21E-736A-46BE-9308-A591D8A67E60-- --===============5951339146435184278== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5951339146435184278==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 22:16:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C32258483D for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:16:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com (biz177.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.208.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788A52589FF1 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 18:17:56 -0700 (MST) s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5Q1fjrhBvDt7zwRoIvjjXjx1MsycfrClJCTj9YHCWM8=; b=o2gzIGvNhW+f1hoMSiwE4Q+236 CbbnlYjZAYlaVJhPi42j8tWKCh4MIxOO/t/56djG5GVQyW7I4gBu5jOMQKyQAz1WiNmkzGn4XHCNm Yddj9zE9+YXj5H/5vPv2XzcfFRUZ13ChcP/FB6TxzxJCmHwkfaUTEnPvyOJfwFeQ5I8nNJCmSlKAB aKViiXlLjFr8+PPKbwe5xbYx2FH6Bv5aix9Cwiop34Ji0BjZpZ5IX3rdkdEQh4VtYHUm6vS+qKc3q vb182qwT4GqpMd1vbLYeWILgLtfKjzX/i4lUXzF4I9pLpYehW2NY2CDayCLiu1ZlY6evhxVeAqh11 NVqMXU5w==; Received: from [142.179.85.19] (port=32922 helo=ranger.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1h2QcJ-00HJaO-08 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Mar 2019 17:17:45 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:17:34 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Content-Language: en-MW please include it with any abuse report shop@dillen.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Steve Dillen via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5959622649614306200== boundary="------------3B86287288CCD0D8F3B07CFE" Content-Language: en-MW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3B86287288CCD0D8F3B07CFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a few have mentioned, the cheaper IR thermometers are pretty good depending on what you're using them for.  I have one that I bought at Costco a few years ago for about $30 or so.  It's been great -- I've used it to measure cylinder head temperatures, exhaust temperatures on different cylinder banks, household stuff, etc.  I'd try a cheap one before buying the Fluke so when you do eventually buy the Fluke, you won't have to loan it out or use it outside in the rain. Steve On 2019-03-07 9:06 a.m., Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote: > Hi guys, > > I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it > does not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus > IR for about $144. I think it would be great. > > Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for > $16 with similar specs. > > Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving > money here, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what > actual specs/features do you consider most relevant for day-to--day > work in the shop? > > For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust > temperatures on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am > thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful. > > To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, > etc., work as well. > > I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you. > > best, > > > doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop@dillen.ca > --------------3B86287288CCD0D8F3B07CFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

As a few have mentioned, the cheaper IR thermometers are pretty good depending on what you're using them for.  I have one that I bought at Costco a few years ago for about $30 or so.  It's been great -- I've used it to measure cylinder head temperatures, exhaust temperatures on different cylinder banks, household stuff, etc.  I'd try a cheap one before buying the Fluke so when you do eventually buy the Fluke, you won't have to loan it out or use it outside in the rain.


Steve


On 2019-03-07 9:06 a.m., Old Dirtbeard via Shop-talk wrote:
Hi guys,

I want to acquire a IR thermometer for motorcycle/automotive work--it does not need to be certified. I am looking at the Fluke 62 MAX Plus IR for about $144. I think it would be great.

Of course you can find IR thermometers like Etekcity Lasergrip 774 for $16 with similar specs. 

Frankly I am more interested in buying a quality tools than saving money here, but I am curious for those of you who use them, what actual specs/features do you consider most relevant for day-to--day work in the shop?  

For example, I have notions of using it for monitoring exhaust temperatures on motorcycle engines for tuning purposes, so I am thinking a scale of >1000 degrees F probably would be useful.

To be frank, I probably also will use for home heating, insulation, etc., work as well.

I would appreciate feedback on any of your experiences.  Thank you.

best,


doug


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--------------3B86287288CCD0D8F3B07CFE-- --===============5959622649614306200== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5959622649614306200==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 22:34:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1EC258A0F6 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:34:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8547258954B; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 2Rgwh27iPNDrK2RgyhTUVq; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 02:26:29 +0000 To: "'Shop-talk'" References: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 18:23:09 -0800 Thread-Index: AdTWD29Bynmu7eJJSGm4h6bwgEj8UwADXuyA odZLY4WuIekSe3ZIoKRLElPkWDjLaHo4j54F+vECLUVb/hZA4cuXQvMHAVDPZoj4bRa6fFz+ChXDNNuqym5cGNN7Wy9s5EWapBI= Cc: Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] IR thermomemters From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 1) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C Clarke 2) "Sometimes the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't." - Chief Dan George Thank you for all you do to keep the magic working. -- Randall > And I apologize that I can not just snap my > fingers and have everything just magically work perfectly. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 23:39:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E619D2589F4A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:39:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AEC2589E30 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:02:42 -0700 (MST) bh=qOMVt0VNUWvu/L4AQek1QbrPuA89k2HCE/d1u0TGVMc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=EpBQw3NvKlHyLLRRs+iEL84ZgWGs8nkEFO3e4M7vWY5o0gzL07QqKWWPxiSdBNQNF SJAkw697CdUPO3TAW209HezV7A3naiTZO430WwQxgil6yahXeyaluPAAxGBfIckzlh I6QmqQtkCEQIlKAqsFkCBuwf69+sDyyfQY30R1iGFrf2Tx6FX4GOWRw79Iv1vbnbqh 8KpEy7cN8n6bbeZNAAMmOjiab7Q8RppZGxiU/qcwJakIJxFus+BZ0V+TN7ngLPpBZk cltWoWQTNu/nJPAcbTEoS1Mwyco5fsQBQm+0SMhQOFvmJcuEAY14fy3Qe8fYCrtWem cRZ7baWQsZlSg== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=QTiLzszpMjbYHm_0BwIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fUgu6QkkjI0dwpztHBYA:9 a=0A54BG49BARL3XAX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:52361] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id CF/4B-30012-CCA338C5; Fri, 08 Mar 2019 23:02:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 22:53:03 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com,Shop-talk@autox.team.net mail.megageek.com> References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9028586750021846268== boundary="=====================_429290649==.ALT" --=====================_429290649==.ALT I went to change the cabin air filter in my Ford Expedition and I found out that it doesn't have one. Do Explorer drivers have more sensitive lungs than Expedition drivers? If the filter is just a square of filter material, I would think you could leave it out. If it includes a plastic piece that essentially seals the slot in the housing, then you might want to keep that and just remove the filter media part. -Steve T. At 02:29 PM 3/8/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: >OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.' > >It's $14 bucks, so I got it. But my question is, do you really need >them? Can I just remove it and leave it out? I'm not allergic nor >am I needing to have 'filtered' air. In fact, I think the whole >idea of them is insane. But is there anything it is protecting? > >Thanks in advance! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_429290649==.ALT I went to change the cabin air filter in my Ford Expedition and I found out that it doesn't have one.  Do Explorer drivers have more sensitive lungs than Expedition drivers?  If the filter is just a square of filter material, I would think you could leave it out.  If it includes a plastic piece that essentially seals the slot in the housing, then you might want to keep that and just remove the filter media part. 

-Steve T.

At 02:29 PM 3/8/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting? 

Thanks in advance!

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Brian

On 3/8/2019 11:29 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in advance!


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--------------AB0BAE10B9EE07454528F594-- --===============1306731179365125974== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1306731179365125974==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 00:30:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507422589AA6 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 00:30:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF9425808E5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:26:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC2A4119FCC for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:26:39 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2122523.Klur7ISz7n@johnpc> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:26:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood - Back again for the third time From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net V293LCBhIGNoYWluIHNhdyBncmluZGVyIHdoZWVsLsKgIEl0IG1pZ2h0IGJlIHVzZWZ1bCBmb3Ig dHVybmluZyBodW5rcyBvZiAKd29vZCBpbnRvIHNhd2R1c3QgZm9yIG15IHNtb2tlci4KCm1qYi4K CgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKU2hvcC10 YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRt bApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuOTYKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50 ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvc2hvcC10YWxrCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZS9NYW5hZ2U6IGh0dHA6Ly9h dXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvc2hvcC10YWxrL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0u bmV0Cgo= From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 00:47:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A4B258A520 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 00:47:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B44E2580248 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A76D1EC46F for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UVcSPgAzLl_z for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-177-251.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.177.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BD751EC46A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 23:57:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0987579964709926663== boundary="------------9614893B9AB25835DAEB0CCF" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9614893B9AB25835DAEB0CCF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've found leaf fragments and an occasional dead bug on the intake side of my filter.  I'd think at minimum you'd probably want some kind of screen mesh in place to catch debris. On 3/8/19 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.' > > It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need > them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am > I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of > them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting? > > Thanks in advance! > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------9614893B9AB25835DAEB0CCF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've found leaf fragments and an occasional dead bug on the intake side of my filter.  I'd think at minimum you'd probably want some kind of screen mesh in place to catch debris.


On 3/8/19 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane.  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in advance!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? 
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--------------9614893B9AB25835DAEB0CCF-- --===============0987579964709926663== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0987579964709926663==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 05:39:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16392588078 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 05:39:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019EC2589D32 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 05:12:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.110]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 2amsh4DMea3Pm2aqKhk5kG; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 12:12:44 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1552133564; bh=+rQRSxuNmxauB4xLN6PWjKBvmNRDZIWzqwtybUbT/tE=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=PH7leJO5FPxrUaJDQphJNicrnVTYeAHUhOvZI3igsziiMqA5UqC4IqQ2uA9O753wE 6No7zEeCYkXhltzNVLD9Tr5tCGEEUQKC14iIlRau8XvA6Osa6hKYWmgzy90TYfkePH NC/pfXIvRYsbJ7hLxHYpXn/C0LuoJ4F8zwEXRFHXvQLRkTHcP/EEDHWSh8Psmt/GcF vIpjsc8L8S0fFjofu00qAo+4uXYmDwjVCxJ34Pixknbq25YzxWnyNHpjbmefPY+mkG oVeB1zVgb8Jjq12e/+NlefgAjJr89vARx88cRaKK5i8xiY7eK8Xm7P1aj84adoyZDS 4oGI1biv9eBMQ== Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 2aqJhJ4aWqwAo2aqKhBrm3; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 12:12:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:11:47 -0500 References: To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9085762365885218720== boundary="Apple-Mail=_513EF551-C531-421F-8BFD-84081B6C8535" --Apple-Mail=_513EF551-C531-421F-8BFD-84081B6C8535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every = winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they = wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing = I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town. I think that this = spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin = filter. Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good. Best, Bob > On Mar 8, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > I've found leaf fragments and an occasional dead bug on the intake = side of my filter. I'd think at minimum you'd probably want some kind = of screen mesh in place to catch debris. >=20 >=20 > On 3/8/19 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: >> OK, so my Ford Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'=20 >>=20 >> It's $14 bucks, so I got it. But my question is, do you really need = them? Can I just remove it and leave it out? I'm not allergic nor am I = needing to have 'filtered' air. In fact, I think the whole idea of them = is insane. But is there anything it is protecting? =20 >>=20 >> Thanks in advance!=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >> Tech Viper >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 >> -Who is John Galt?=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackhead= s.org = >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_513EF551-C531-421F-8BFD-84081B6C8535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 In my = Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and the = acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through = the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve = got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this spring = I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter. =  Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
= Best,
Bob

On Mar = 8, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=20 =20
I've found leaf fragments and an occasional dead bug on the intake side of my filter.  I'd = think at minimum you'd probably want some kind of screen mesh in place to catch debris.


On 3/8/19 2:29 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so my Ford = Explorer is due for a new 'cabin air filter.'

It's $14 bucks, so = I got it.  But my question is, do you really need them?  Can I just remove = it and leave it out?  I'm not allergic nor am I needing to have 'filtered' air.  In fact, I think the whole idea of them is insane. =  But is there anything it is protecting?  

Thanks in = advance!


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= --Apple-Mail=_513EF551-C531-421F-8BFD-84081B6C8535-- --===============9085762365885218720== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============9085762365885218720==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 08:36:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71B2580702 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 08:36:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BE42589472 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.244]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 2cdThf7LHaNyc2dFAhP0Sc; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:46:32 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1552142792; bh=HkzT99496dM88NW8RNL85IyOCWHzmlpnbToXIkEmJWY=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cidFIskWF8gLtZ4atg4no+yAiwMlGa+O2OEt+0i6HUQWNisZVcq3AO/KSKenZ0u2Q 6zKdU/q7m1mMpGTJgyK+CdBUcjfxhBHedOXYXN1t9BifDGi43KnNY/tNrtqNiZzO8D r/bL/C5fSc2753GrBwNFa5Nd8vdFJtlzr2XqbKFuzij0LRoUONtnO1Mm4rXvljHRAq SHVcXzhTjZRmojL0VJeWxyejVmfBG0gBMHP3+SRPGfjY1dWlbGy/SlM4nv9scX5EVp skFByQRCSfDnAZ1XF5eXEGI4xGTw+FIUP6x+3cfz6he1qI+miSk2qZ+1G0GLwN9UPL HCrKVlVtPI9tQ== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:c066:c57f:8931:629d] ([IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:c066:c57f:8931:629d]) by resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 2dF9hlK5a9mnm2dFAhtUOE; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:46:32 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 06:46:33 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0107226829665239578== boundary="------------4534C8788A5D29C811657187" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4534C8788A5D29C811657187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good." It isn't: https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring? On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote: > In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and > the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear > through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing > I’ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this > spring I’ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter. >  Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good. > Best, > Bob > --------------4534C8788A5D29C811657187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

"Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good."

It isn't:

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html

Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring?


On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote:
In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I’ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think that this spring I’ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter.  Inhaling mouse drippings can’t be good.
Best,
Bob

--------------4534C8788A5D29C811657187-- --===============0107226829665239578== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0107226829665239578==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 10:00:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AFC258A599 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:00:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA132589F07 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 08:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.115]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 2dUih82Jndcv32eHLhNR3j; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:52:51 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1552146771; bh=zVJIrplsniqKU7B+PfG8PjNLJHbrt0f2xiD7G2IvQAc=; h=Received:Received:From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version: Subject:Date:To; b=lYfynq9VJm2qYngDyBIJKackCfE+hgvW3EeMS2ZfYMJaU5xHiPa91H+8uCQT3u9fB w4QnlL/xCM8IMjTDMHHn0lVRAmJyCRqokqOqVbnI0niuM0VAXHyQ9w3ePF/PEY5tGq gGyM3Ud6qX4Z9kCBif3szOBXixvLTQuomW0fmsUfcouOMz/pktoWeknnfkQhh6KL0H LulmIISC24unoqRqe72aMN7o3/y9tWPGEYDNKq19+S2bg74GztjBK219mlkyOPPp6u BNOyOsSrHUYn+iN2d52YAOEgZjX0B4tNPw6acIHUf0ANES8hO5diL+1CMiXGetJqeU lCnH0Br0MVn+A== Received: from [192.168.1.17] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 2eHKhbXruEuGG2eHLh8uTF; Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:52:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:52:49 -0500 To: Bob Spidell References: Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5314240544180557634== boundary="Apple-Mail=_88B2C2D1-2853-4C0B-8247-038F12E23227" --Apple-Mail=_88B2C2D1-2853-4C0B-8247-038F12E23227 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through = each time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and = droppings have been there over months. I=E2=80=99ve never seen any = evidence of the mice in the truck except in the filter element. I have = no idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over the intake by = the windshield. > On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > "Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good." >=20 > It isn't: >=20 > https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html = > Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring? >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote: >> In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every = winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they = wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing = I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town. I think that this = spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin = filter. Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good. >> Best, >> Bob >>=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_88B2C2D1-2853-4C0B-8247-038F12E23227 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 The = fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through each = time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings = have been there over months.  I=E2=80=99ve never seen any evidence = of the mice in the truck except in the filter element.  I have no = idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over the intake by the = windshield.

On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via = Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=20 =20

"Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good."

It isn't:

https://www.cdc.gov/han= tavirus/index.html

Why not just clean the fan and = replace the filter every spring?


On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin = via Shop-talk wrote:
= In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I = think that this spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the = cabin filter.  Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
Best,
Bob

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([2601:404:c680:1a46:b92c:88f7:b9ae:70b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u10sm5532261ita.24.2019.03.09.09.56.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Mar 2019 09:56:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:56:14 -0500 References: <5010D8CA-4BBD-4346-8B9C-5D94384568BA@comcast.net> To: Rochlin Robert Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cabin Air Filters From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7836237695573518107== boundary=Apple-Mail-FC03984B-4BBF-4296-9564-E934F0C081B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-FC03984B-4BBF-4296-9564-E934F0C081B4 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried a repellent like FreshCab? Fresh Cab Botanical Rodent Repellent 4 Scent Pouches - EPA Registered, Keeps= Mice Out https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L236OMW/ref=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_api_i_33.GCb= 1FZJ0X4 A friend stores his fishing boat in the hay barn and swears by the stuff. -Paul > On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 > The fan is a bear to R and R and the filter has been eaten/worn through ea= ch time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that the mice, the nuts, and droppings h= ave been there over months. I=E2=80=99ve never seen any evidence of the mic= e in the truck except in the filter element. I have no idea how they get in= or out as there is a grate over the intake by the windshield. >=20 >> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote: >>=20 >> "Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good." >>=20 >> It isn't: >>=20 >> https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html >>=20 >> Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote: >>> In my Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter a= nd the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through= the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve got= the loudest ventilating fan in town. I think that this spring I=E2=80=99ll= remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin filter. Inhaling mouse d= rippings can=E2=80=99t be good. >>> Best, >>> Bob >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rroch= lin@comcast.net >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkan= zky@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-FC03984B-4BBF-4296-9564-E934F0C081B4 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried a repellent like FreshCab?
Fresh Cab Botanical Rodent Repellent 4 Scent Pouches - EPA= Registered, Keeps Mice Out https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L236OMW/r= ef=3Dcm_sw_r_cp_api_i_33.GCb1FZJ0X4

A friend st= ores his fishing boat in the hay barn and swears by the stuff.

-Paul

On Mar 9= , 2019, at 10:52 AM, Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
The fan is a bear to R and R and the f= ilter has been eaten/worn through each time I=E2=80=99ve replaced it so that= the mice, the nuts, and droppings have been there over months.  I=E2=80= =99ve never seen any evidence of the mice in the truck except in the filter e= lement.  I have no idea how they get in or out as there is a grate over= the intake by the windshield.

On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Bob Sp= idell via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

=20 =20

"Inhali= ng mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good."

It isn't:

https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html

Why not just clean the fan and replace the filter every spring?


On 3/9/2019 4:11 AM, Robert Rochlin via Shop-talk wrote:
In m= y Frontier the cabin filter is inhabited by mice every winter and the acorns and nut they store fall down into the fan as they wear through the filter element, so not only does the filter do nothing I=E2=80=99ve got the loudest ventilating fan in town.  I think th= at this spring I=E2=80=99ll remove the fan, clean it and not install the cabin= filter.  Inhaling mouse drippings can=E2=80=99t be good.
Best,
Bob

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= --Apple-Mail-FC03984B-4BBF-4296-9564-E934F0C081B4-- --===============7836237695573518107== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7836237695573518107==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 13 06:26:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A81C2587EF0 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 06:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F2C2587F3E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 05:34:16 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 07:34:10 -0400 03/13/2019 07:34:16 AM, Serialize complete at 03/13/2019 07:34:16 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Teach a man to fish... for front bucket seats? From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============9114129270724050755== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 003F8C4E852583BC_= Ok I have another question, but it's also a learning experience for me. As you are all sick of hearing about, the new (to me) 2003 Ford F350 superduty truck I bought, is in need of some TLC. One of the things is that the front bench seat is shot. So I need to put a new one in. I was wondering, can I put buckets seats in there or can I only replace it with a bench seat? If you have any answer, where can you look to find this out? I would image that the mounting points would be the same, right? Also, any source for seat? I was just going to call junk yards as this isn't a show truck. Thanks in advance for any assistance! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 003F8C4E852583BC_= Ok I have another question, but it's also a learning experience for me.

As you are all sick of hearing about, the new (to me) 2003 Ford F350 superduty truck I bought, is in need of some TLC.

One of the things is that the front bench seat is shot.  So I need to put a new one in.  I was wondering, can I put buckets seats in there or can I only replace it with a bench seat?

If you have any answer, where can you look to find this out?  I would image that the mounting points would be the same, right?  Also, any source for seat?  I was just going to call junk yards as this isn't a show truck.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I've got a 2001 F250 SD which should be basically= the same thing.=C2=A0 I can't imagine a 40/20/40 seat combo not fittin= g in your truck.=C2=A0 I believe the major difference would be in seat belt= mounting .=C2=A0 Wrecking yards and/or ebay would likely be your best sour= ce for seats.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Brad

On Wed, M= ar 13, 2019 at 8:34 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Ok I have another question, but it's also a learning experience for me.

As you are all sick of hearing abo= ut, the new (to me) 2003 Ford F350 superduty truck I bought, is in need of some TLC.

One of the things is that the fron= t bench seat is shot.=C2=A0 So I need to put a new one in.=C2=A0 I was wonder= ing, can I put buckets seats in there or can I only replace it with a bench seat?

If you have any answer, where can = you look to find this out?=C2=A0 I would image that the mounting points would be the same, right?=C2=A0 Also, any source for seat?=C2=A0 I was just going to call junk yards as this isn't a show truck.

Thanks in advance for any assistan= ce!


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I have a recessed floor outlet. The outlet itself has wor= n so much that blades won't stay in it.

The recepticle part of the outlet is just a regular plastic r= ecepticle. The metal strap that screws into the box appears to be a unique = part though--it locates the recepticle deeper so that it's about an inc= h recessed into the box.

It's held to the plastic body with rivets. So is the normal unit I bou= ght from Home Depot. The holes for everything line up. Can I just drill out= the rivets on both units and use the strap from the old part and the plast= ic recepticle from the new one? Or do those rivets also do something beside= s hold the recepticle to the strap?

Thanks in advance.
--000000000000b752800584548553-- --===============8682398880441071980== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8682398880441071980==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 01:43:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BFB2589436 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 01:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com (mail-oi1-f178.google.com [209.85.167.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B84258934B for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 01:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id v84so5839739oif.4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:24:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KRMF1ZoHHBy+xVdgKMJoRNnUAiR5XRFNwAAirzc6Kkw=; b=kPzf0JPl0Gd8E09nYS9wA7TP8+ocZlOwKXnQruMxPUu5ZIdd1F9XwxEOCI0YoII/5L Yi5F8ZWHLo23bOjogbJ4LtRnrVxXNCVPbqDoDC41ZuS7YYrTOaXxYc6K3coFfMxGsDKg OXGsmCDel4ccIZ4ZJIZudJXSM4yOknkXoxGxfPMC65lGo0pS4OsKx8W+HOnwgqxphmrU CI0SEVQoAGCS+3O+aSAFw/P1z5g6A/iMkVbDmD0SwHeNqWrF1NKKXxu1muQB4fs2LGI9 OckjFPavTh+X4T6/oTKwo+zmMUdITCePgFOek0favNGrZJGXEMvI55LIvRRjuIWvv22e XWuQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KRMF1ZoHHBy+xVdgKMJoRNnUAiR5XRFNwAAirzc6Kkw=; b=Qvv8S8I1/JYieqL9yseEQ/UwIY6U5Ejl1gEc8vjPSEjUkQG6v5UZUmUmRL5uJ3aE20 OJTvNmGY31mau7JgM8/x4YYeCgktpoDZ6wRkSy/MLE1fUj8B296vtn850bE/Y7eX53dJ Wl2jZlwFcBdHW8nGZPqc6uS4qxh0U7DyhexGmqaQ8lye2B7sP1NyErfzRNnk7vVSnJdq I7/guaHqfQObR/h4xNQUGfJ47FDMGDjzTfWIeeMjGYL9CS8Axw5vLvtGGuLMFpeEC4OA wKGJTi1PrCwlzkbrJ0u1rFWqnB9fW5/iEAnpG7Dsvr5oN5ZV8scoYDBUq8ivb2gs2/Lb agFA== T1WOemn/OjNwfU6aa2xDnxlpi/JDoI/dR4iyvIQ= Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:24:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:24:36 -0400 To: Scott Hall Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outlet "strap" replacement From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The rivet probably also bonds the ground wire to the strap, and thus to the box/cover. You should be able to get a replacement receptacle at a good electrical supply house. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:55 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote: > > I have a recessed floor outlet. The outlet itself has worn so much that blades won't stay in it. > > The recepticle part of the outlet is just a regular plastic recepticle. The metal strap that screws into the box appears to be a unique part though--it locates the recepticle deeper so that it's about an inch recessed into the box. > > It's held to the plastic body with rivets. So is the normal unit I bought from Home Depot. The holes for everything line up. Can I just drill out the rivets on both units and use the strap from the old part and the plastic recepticle from the new one? Or do those rivets also do something besides hold the recepticle to the strap? > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 07:47:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8702725893AB for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6072588B3C for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:09:19 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1552914564; bh=9fs8ost2F/iyjV6RCZ3gFDTA93SG4gVFbBsr V1W8NNE=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=qUAq8nN2uY5ir85weGeP7FQ5RsvuG7cgC DkXLDwZrUj68UXBRfhoWSi9G1cMsRVaydztxdRRDxXK1Axl0LQ8XtfmvGus/DF/LsQ3 roWLRbHuzrbKB1c5UYz/cHk8HgJ/ARJZu+rsmU+wqqqesE+3xtNhNpphgrbktjbt7gV tOkjcamlPxRI9FCZnGrI/9ie/EqZl7QCi/F/fZBvRtXpWKE1H2tg8hfYiUxbrc03nLn mza67pu3/IT7HlRe/Hj6w9iguQu3qEFKQIcQ3/19b6zwIkj8LfSd2apL1E+T2RWHO2Z Uw3nfAO3/nlH9f8UN37b0ipFemaetAcfUow5FZ0yw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=YZRDMy9IGCAsFI2KtWaKyUiVLvP8gkvLUPxOtlbXN4Qm5LBlEyqiCZItUdjbwuhnj1vpkt/2cemRxTPLzoLkfL57nRJokBLUzflxQsP4QTmsBrpsLNwlPR1s/i9Q3Qq+Mg0p5CMBySwHz4RAqspJoZfiPlw3O85CD1WtkYw+Ar73AqvjudkxI1ZgV2eKt/mWvsbQwWEJe93/w3Yx7N0mu80KPWOv00zekUjdYURJeAZ37kPTL432OFo0jq77LIPj/I96sje6u8rZwsv6yhX2zkIycalc3ISq4uMLTKZpI4nG9+h47SXqSbizjx6aCjwNLj+7+j24YBzqGqZWfxiVYw==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1h5s0v-0006F2-TD; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:09:14 -0400 To: Scott Hall , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 06:09:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outlet "strap" replacement From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8770873418125957909== boundary="------------37F3E378284D02CB62B4FB8A" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------37F3E378284D02CB62B4FB8A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would go to an actual electrical supply house and talk to them. They should be able to find an exact replacement.  While you may be able to get away with your idea, I would not recommend it.  If there is a problem down the road, modifying the UL certified device, you are 100% libel for any damages.  To me, it would not be worth it. In addition, if you ever pulled a building/electrical permit in the future and an inspector discovered your work, you would be required to properly replace the outlet and probably have your entire house inspected and perhaps brought into compliance with current codes. Brian On 3/17/2019 6:43 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote: > I have a recessed floor outlet. The outlet itself has worn so much > that blades won't stay in it. > > The recepticle part of the outlet is just a regular plastic > recepticle. The metal strap that screws into the box appears to be a > unique part though--it locates the recepticle deeper so that it's > about an inch recessed into the box. > > It's held to the plastic body with rivets. So is the normal unit I > bought from Home Depot. The holes for everything line up. Can I just > drill out the rivets on both units and use the strap from the old part > and the plastic recepticle from the new one? Or do those rivets also > do something besides hold the recepticle to the strap? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------37F3E378284D02CB62B4FB8A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would go to an actual electrical supply house and talk to them.  They should be able to find an exact replacement.  While you may be able to get away with your idea, I would not recommend it.  If there is a problem down the road, modifying the UL certified device, you are 100% libel for any damages.  To me, it would not be worth it.

In addition, if you ever pulled a building/electrical permit in the future and an inspector discovered your work, you would be required to properly replace the outlet and probably have your entire house inspected and perhaps brought into compliance with current codes.

Brian

On 3/17/2019 6:43 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
I have a recessed floor outlet. The outlet itself has worn so much that blades won't stay in it.

The recepticle part of the outlet is just a regular plastic recepticle. The metal strap that screws into the box appears to be a unique part though--it locates the recepticle deeper so that it's about an inch recessed into the box.

It's held to the plastic body with rivets. So is the normal unit I bought from Home Depot. The holes for everything line up. Can I just drill out the rivets on both units and use the strap from the old part and the plastic recepticle from the new one? Or do those rivets also do something besides hold the recepticle to the strap?

Thanks in advance.

_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk

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[108.233.94.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c35sm2596676otb.4.2019.03.22.21.35.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:35:47 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 23:35:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net To summarize thus far: It wasn't the bulbs. Those lights, and some other stuff in the backyard are controlled by their own breaker box...in the basement storage area, behind a shelf, behind the HVAC system...that I found when I was re-lighting a water heater pilot. *Then* one of the light switches literally on the other side of the house has to be switched, and those fixtures light. I can't imagine why that switch is where it is, but both fixtures lit. They do not seem to be motion-sensitive. You just go down a flight of steps, across the house, into the storage area, and remove the built-in shelving some idiot built in front of the box, then the light switch even farther back in that room can be used to turn on those lights. Imagine my delight. I just thought the pool bulb was burned out, and I didn't even know those rocks had lights under them. Neato. I left them on for a few hours, admiring how the backyard looked suspiciously like a baseball stadium and wondering what the previous owner was doing back there. Maybe literally playing baseball. God knows you wouldn't have any visibility issues. Turned off the lights, went to bed. Next day, the left roof fixture won't light. Well now it's a mission from God. Excellent suggestion made here was taken, 42-foot extension ladder rented, bulb swapped. It's not the bulb. Or at least the bulb I bought looks exactly like the bulb that came out and is rated at 400 watts, which is what the old bulb and the fixture says. The old bulb does not appear damaged. Perhaps there's a fuse or breaker in this thing. Before I disassemble the fixture, the hive mind will be consulted. The fixture's front cover unscrews and flips open. Under it is this (well, this below the bulb housing): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DEe84KmqUuxmO5A2mRlRWYdK1pR3Qidj/view?usp=sharing The sticker on the left side looks like a wiring diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P-mn4/view?usp=sharing Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses? There is another metal plate cover under that sticker under which could live something user-serviceable. But before I start screwing with stuff 40 feet in the air, you know, I should at least ask. Or offer to video it. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks. (I think that ladder is the very definition of 'attractive nuisance'. I have to return it tomorrow morning, but oh the things I could access if I bought one! So easy to paralyze or maim myself so quickly! Of all the equipment I've rented, this may be the one thing I'm not completely sure they should let homeowners have access to. It's the first thing I've done that I found myself actually thinking, "this could go very bad, very quickly, if I'm not very careful.") _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 03:14:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4112580707 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F27B2588AF7 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 02:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 7cIlheEhvXRsV7cInhoEer; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:46:54 +0000 To: "'Scott Hall'" References: <39b26484-7a7d-8fed-6705-fa02a7a94ad2@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 01:43:19 -0700 Thread-Index: AdThRqafmpUYsFM3TGCdsEJhFkpuHwADQCHw KMY3V93RMel3vySvkHBG5lK5w26ZWmF4BNmNfww1KUKNfs6OnhyYJzbBoaZWd37J8HATIcLdsY4I17hO19HTWXvSebjtqaSDbjE= Cc: 'Shop-talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > The sticker on the left side looks like a wiring diagram: > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P- > mn4/view?usp=sharing > > > Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses? I'm fairly certain those represent some sort of terminals, that are the different voltage taps to the transformer in the upper left. Top tap looks to be labeled 120 (volts AC), the others seems to be 272, 230 and 208. The oddball switch location may reflect the circuit having been repurposed from something else. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 08:08:58 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45272588CEA for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f48.google.com (mail-ot1-f48.google.com [209.85.210.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5575F2588CBC for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 07:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f48.google.com with SMTP id m10so4363509otp.2 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yQ44kU7wxAGmGENG7UhJk8NcHGm3JkszIWAAPBPrrUc=; b=OnLaak7BFSnXANrfve20VeeFQXE03hmAnVr2nYdWLtlatRI4wuXxKUKAOPa5YxCjZR 1Xf2JIz3wx+fdsIiPgFG8ytypZuI418xirAgraaKpVoV5GUEwI1ZfCp8Y2YM4o/zhknf UbOHUi+y4csSOVzxzH8TzVRx1jBZJ5QlJUdTKI/EDj7BgyG1U/X6HVv5/1McUb1Mq2xs V9HuMZkdGPZ22VGtSOqd6DFQPNuD4o4wlBOz8KNGP2szPyvLIlyp5irBiL6HdF/SxNWB KHPtH6MyHNaEZ+l3jxFW+/ARdwi2kboK0VLR0yAAiF7sKr0TxJmXbtE6ZMaG8KmkebPr MYxw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=yQ44kU7wxAGmGENG7UhJk8NcHGm3JkszIWAAPBPrrUc=; b=qIP9PXWCfXWDy9kDffZzy0c3+XKOTbOXfRBgcgTpDUvLuSrnjkzVrH7ngMnF6I8WQ4 A9x+Kqb3/xQV4aVPPtfzhiv8YhkXaHHt3PdwPi8Z34gAHhqv+Iu5PFroWqv4Ck/AhHqK ML+ZVPWHnDpBOtMZcVC46eIJckGueiSkbO0MUZOd7QtALS6EL58pUBUki74q5qh+9964 TkiISyf2MW5O1KM43bLKNJbiGn8xsJS/OPMftd7A7vf90B1Ia1PdYsKk78ZDALYKzYRi TYD7Ke92iUMDAV2ReLG72RDQU9fe14Gp7Y10tX7SF4lh0tSkcy+LylwwR1p9ArRCU+o6 bB5Q== CIKQamR+xFHs/ddMfDHBw7CszOX05osV57Bpdj4Plg== Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:47:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <39b26484-7a7d-8fed-6705-fa02a7a94ad2@gmail.com> <0BFB880CC8684AEF81E3109793603200@RYPC> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:46:52 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8487181979195455495== --000000000000cd89230584c33433 The internet says metal halide fixtures have ballasts. Guess I'll look for that. On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 3:46 AM Randall wrote: > > The sticker on the left side looks like a wiring diagram: > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P- > > mn4/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses? > > I'm fairly certain those represent some sort of terminals, that are the > different voltage taps to the transformer in the upper left. > > Top tap looks to be labeled 120 (volts AC), the others seems to be 272, 230 > and 208. > > The oddball switch location may reflect the circuit having been repurposed > from something else. > > -- Randall > > --000000000000cd89230584c33433 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The internet says metal halide fixtures have ballasts. Gu= ess I'll look for that.=C2=A0

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 3:46 AM Randall <= TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> The sticker on the left side lo= oks like a wiring diagram:
>
>
> https://drive.google.c= om/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P-
> mn4/view?usp=3Dsharing
>
>
> Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses?

I'm fairly certain those represent some sort of terminals, that are the=
different voltage taps to the transformer in the upper left.

Top tap looks to be labeled 120 (volts AC), the others seems to be 272, 230=
and 208.

The oddball switch location may reflect the circuit having been repurposed<= br> from something else.

-- Randall

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Right side is on now. On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 9:23 AM Brian Kemp There might be a photo cell somewhere to also help control the lights so > they only come on at night. Did you test it the next day when it was dark? > > Some photo controlled lights, when they first get power will come on for > a period of time. After which they revert to the photo cell. > > Brian > > On 3/22/2019 9:35 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote: > > To summarize thus far: > > > > > > It wasn't the bulbs. Those lights, and some other stuff in the > > backyard are controlled by their own breaker box...in the basement > > storage area, behind a shelf, behind the HVAC system...that I found > > when I was re-lighting a water heater pilot. > > > > > > *Then* one of the light switches literally on the other side of the > > house has to be switched, and those fixtures light. I can't imagine > > why that switch is where it is, but both fixtures lit. They do not > > seem to be motion-sensitive. You just go down a flight of steps, > > across the house, into the storage area, and remove the built-in > > shelving some idiot built in front of the box, then the light switch > > even farther back in that room can be used to turn on those lights. > > Imagine my delight. I just thought the pool bulb was burned out, and I > > didn't even know those rocks had lights under them. Neato. > > > > > > I left them on for a few hours, admiring how the backyard looked > > suspiciously like a baseball stadium and wondering what the previous > > owner was doing back there. Maybe literally playing baseball. God > > knows you wouldn't have any visibility issues. > > > > > > Turned off the lights, went to bed. Next day, the left roof fixture > > won't light. Well now it's a mission from God. > > > > > > Excellent suggestion made here was taken, 42-foot extension ladder > > rented, bulb swapped. It's not the bulb. Or at least the bulb I bought > > looks exactly like the bulb that came out and is rated at 400 watts, > > which is what the old bulb and the fixture says. The old bulb does not > > appear damaged. Perhaps there's a fuse or breaker in this thing. > > Before I disassemble the fixture, the hive mind will be consulted. > > > > > > The fixture's front cover unscrews and flips open. Under it is this > > (well, this below the bulb housing): > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DEe84KmqUuxmO5A2mRlRWYdK1pR3Qidj/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > > The sticker on the left side looks like a wiring diagram: > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P-mn4/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > > Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses? There is > > another metal plate cover under that sticker under which could live > > something user-serviceable. But before I start screwing with stuff 40 > > feet in the air, you know, I should at least ask. Or offer to video it. > > > > > > Any thoughts welcome. Thanks. > > > > > > (I think that ladder is the very definition of 'attractive nuisance'. > > I have to return it tomorrow morning, but oh the things I could access > > if I bought one! So easy to paralyze or maim myself so quickly! Of all > > the equipment I've rented, this may be the one thing I'm not > > completely sure they should let homeowners have access to. It's the > > first thing I've done that I found myself actually thinking, "this > > could go very bad, very quickly, if I'm not very careful.") > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > > > > > > --00000000000064a2000584c3c023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, they'll stay on all day if you let them. Right = side is on now.=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 9:23 AM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net wrote:
There might be a photo cell somewhere to also help control the lig= hts so
they only come on at night.=C2=A0 Did you test it the next day when it was = dark?

Some photo controlled lights, when they first get power will come on for a period of time.=C2=A0 After which they revert to the photo cell.

Brian

On 3/22/2019 9:35 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> To summarize thus far:
>
>
> It wasn't the bulbs. Those lights, and some other stuff in the > backyard are controlled by their own breaker box...in the basement > storage area, behind a shelf, behind the HVAC system...that I found > when I was re-lighting a water heater pilot.
>
>
> *Then* one of the light switches literally on the other side of the > house has to be switched, and those fixtures light. I can't imagin= e
> why that switch is where it is, but both fixtures lit. They do not > seem to be motion-sensitive. You just go down a flight of steps,
> across the house, into the storage area, and remove the built-in
> shelving some idiot built in front of the box, then the light switch <= br> > even farther back in that room can be used to turn on those lights. > Imagine my delight. I just thought the pool bulb was burned out, and I=
> didn't even know those rocks had lights under them. Neato.
>
>
> I left them on for a few hours, admiring how the backyard looked
> suspiciously like a baseball stadium and wondering what the previous <= br> > owner was doing back there. Maybe literally playing baseball. God
> knows you wouldn't have any visibility issues.
>
>
> Turned off the lights, went to bed. Next day, the left roof fixture > won't light. Well now it's a mission from God.
>
>
> Excellent suggestion made here was taken, 42-foot extension ladder > rented, bulb swapped. It's not the bulb. Or at least the bulb I bo= ught
> looks exactly like the bulb that came out and is rated at 400 watts, <= br> > which is what the old bulb and the fixture says. The old bulb does not=
> appear damaged. Perhaps there's a fuse or breaker in this thing. <= br> > Before I disassemble the fixture, the hive mind will be consulted.
>
>
> The fixture's front cover unscrews and flips open. Under it is thi= s
> (well, this below the bulb housing):
>
>
> = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DEe84KmqUuxmO5A2mRlRWYdK1pR3Qidj/view?usp= =3Dsharing
>
>
>
> The sticker on the left side looks like a wiring diagram:
>
>
> = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7q_VBTcsc88Or6MxjO5Achscw-P-mn4/view?usp= =3Dsharing
>
>
>
> Might those things in the lower left quadrant be fuses? There is
> another metal plate cover under that sticker under which could live > something user-serviceable. But before I start screwing with stuff 40 =
> feet in the air, you know, I should at least ask. Or offer to video it= .
>
>
> Any thoughts welcome. Thanks.
>
>
> (I think that ladder is the very definition of 'attractive nuisanc= e'.
> I have to return it tomorrow morning, but oh the things I could access=
> if I bought one! So easy to paralyze or maim myself so quickly! Of all=
> the equipment I've rented, this may be the one thing I'm not <= br> > completely sure they should let homeowners have access to. It's th= e
> first thing I've done that I found myself actually thinking, "= ;this
> could go very bad, very quickly, if I'm not very careful.") >
>
>
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--00000000000064a2000584c3c023-- --===============2804213958606769566== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============2804213958606769566==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 14:14:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5A82585923 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ACE2588228 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.243]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 7kH5hlc4gXWoX7mCDh3Xrs; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:20:45 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1553368845; bh=0t0F3CJWPzLNmbqV7x90TbQF+sfmY66pqbWmvzP7SOo=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ERW5JYMSoMqjuTgei177486oUVT2Q2Jg6pP+tjTBhEXJLx51Q1pvhGVSUxZi1tA86 KhuqgG66lCLvMevAHXwgknaTShUVLBWYcr8nfvEcJOy/D9xNWZiW8BhpS0e6Z9XKuf FubXHFnPpFnGh7G6koTq+qNH3Xe0Aq8T0FFt5IpU9yl2b9a3ZNlSuacNDIU3wHjtxJ Ru9wQSOu1jgCYus46vtFqooDtkCsn6ORfOsl1mnqIScbb5+mZvaBmwYH2VmY6zGAv1 wzULbl9l2Hm3V++c3hCX+rzEDjrQQ8dZc9O0fT5zhnToviadxOP71ZZS0vx7VkBsTE 7LqYbRnMT2/Iw== Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([IPv6:2601:601:1500:a216:5d56:9c93:3e5e:b703]) by resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 7mCChPCrLmB1v7mCDhIQj8; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:20:45 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <39b26484-7a7d-8fed-6705-fa02a7a94ad2@gmail.com> <8589230b-41ec-a0c6-8997-7949a0792872@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:20:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Mike Sinclair via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1636938998122655233== boundary="------------9B763392A83E6D130222073D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B763392A83E6D130222073D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Don't feel alone.  My crawlspace sump pump quit pumping (turned out to be a jammed float switch lever), and after repair, it refused to come on.  This was Thanksgiving Day, with company coming.  Circuit breaker in the box was ok, and finally, after tracing the wiring, I discovered a second breaker BEHIND the furnace; pushed the reset button and oh the joy (especially from my wife!).  This breaker was between the regular breaker in the box, and the pump.  Have no idea why it was there. Mike On 3/23/2019 6:51 AM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk wrote: > It wasn't the bulbs. Those lights, and some other stuff in the > backyard are controlled by their own breaker box...in the basement > storage area, behind a shelf, behind the HVAC system...that I found > when I was re-lighting a water heater pilot. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com --------------9B763392A83E6D130222073D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Don't feel alone.  My crawlspace sump pump quit pumping (turned out to be a jammed float switch lever), and after repair, it refused to come on.  This was Thanksgiving Day, with company coming.  Circuit breaker in the box was ok, and finally, after tracing the wiring, I discovered a second breaker BEHIND the furnace; pushed the reset button and oh the joy (especially from my wife!).  This breaker was between the regular breaker in the box, and the pump.  Have no idea why it was there.

Mike

On 3/23/2019 6:51 AM, Donald H Locker via Shop-talk wrote:
It wasn't the bulbs. Those lights, and some other stuff in the backyard are controlled by their own breaker box...in the basement storage area, behind a shelf, behind the HVAC system...that I found when I was re-lighting a water heater pilot.

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[108.233.94.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k60sm2010854otc.42.2019.03.23.14.25.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:25:24 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, TR3driver@ca.rr.com References: <39b26484-7a7d-8fed-6705-fa02a7a94ad2@gmail.com> <0BFB880CC8684AEF81E3109793603200@RYPC> <26A3B1C2B5054F6DA955A1E695A12D14@RYPC> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:25:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, one of the spade terminals is unplugged from the capacitor. I might have done that myself--the fixture is angled down so when you take off the cover it dumps out on you and the ballast is heavy. I, uh, don't know which terminal to put the spade connector back on. the diagram shows two; the capacitor has four. Capacitor top center, connector mid-bottom right: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VolZ4H-61b7ZrB5UPtBmpLy-MFnhMrTu/view?usp=sharing Then, this link (https://www.hunker.com/12002043/how-to-troubleshoot-a-metal-halide-light-fixture) references testing the ballast. How? Unscrew the wire nuts and put the leads on that? Ballast: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18uVa14h9UHZkbVsLvW2H5AgnHoIHXLER/view?usp=sharing Thanks fellas. This is better than a garage door torsion spring, but not by too much. On 3/23/2019 3:34 PM, Randall wrote: >> The internet says metal halide fixtures have ballasts. Guess >> I'll look for that. > That would be the thing in the diagram that I called a transformer. Old > fashioned ballasts actually were transformers, but with cores that would > saturate and limit the transfer of energy to the bulb. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 16:46:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C102588E24 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9770C25889A8 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id v84so4283004oif.4 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=RfF+wwLjki6IynzKWeEZfufcAnsfTAlH6y+Ate344X4=; b=kub/3SVMTyyzEK1pARP/sWn9TaIS09NK5lL74fFNspj6t83W/FfYWaJNdMpDAZYgGz 8iH47kvh8sQzyt8VeQdQgh3v1RMs2vpoqkOyG04jS+EUq4Bsd4NijpgzkBs7Iw7f+0C/ 09LZOxfXq3FBAmEGCaFQmeHlwG1SQAFR5sMb+AHA8nbSXjrLEcg6V6ggivORPoAUz2BY fMytmQqlwiQIkdRtEV6LhyVc32h1bQEbyOkisaw2kKuLJP/9ss31+bTFYfQnQiGzbi41 O/Pa3DHDv4aZsYcU7F7xMtop2+RdjRKBK2AmfEvqaeAxhedAaVTlQZJiJyE0oMActAQU sFJQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=RfF+wwLjki6IynzKWeEZfufcAnsfTAlH6y+Ate344X4=; b=Cb2gnxD8uCOVzO0p/EM0WcAFSSsBgS8lbSgSKU30FKvTqcLghyQyaUiMQlxN63abDQ zxyWW6Eev3C8IRggHTrn/fIQOU7ZA5MvTRTDUBXymnNlJbYtoqRJjX0mudQnaQ/fW9JY MRqNoMratoeqYiNZXUL8j6s7Nj3r5kJL4pkuCgDE8gCHohKordSA5v5NOTAEmiXPo42q NLdAxut7hJkVlQWvETT1G17G2HId0jp4VJIKBZ+894EwubCKdkNkSeztpDFn1M7RbHOf 8tCduhfLQArPgP+AUcxWeWDYoa8zdeYGQtko3H2G6oPW8dmBNjYt976KRWZ8cthHjd5a ZTlQ== hZL5KYFVCqce4Ujb9I46p1PO3KZ5 Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (108-233-94-94.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net. [108.233.94.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t66sm4655940oig.39.2019.03.23.14.28.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <39b26484-7a7d-8fed-6705-fa02a7a94ad2@gmail.com> <0BFB880CC8684AEF81E3109793603200@RYPC> <26A3B1C2B5054F6DA955A1E695A12D14@RYPC> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:28:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Outdoor metal halide lights...it's not the bulbs From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Follow up: When connecting that spade connector to the capacitor, should I just slide it back on? I'm remembering from lab the "NEVER touch a capacitor until you short it out first" thing. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 22:03:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884425879B5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C54B25889C1 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 21:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 7tK1hwukJLwrk7tY4hiOH1; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:11:48 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1553397108; bh=ZYuTkzFMeOh2ocBhQpy8nKt7JXomA7ITtltCetfAVug=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; 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Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:29:15 +0000 Received: from 45-24-125-62.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net (EHLO Johnsdesktop) ([45.24.125.62]) by smtp430.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b171d8619590f835e08f22ddbeabd6f9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:29:15 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: john niolon via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2800679036876026266== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01D4E2FD.FA2BBA40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01D4E2FD.FA2BBA40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home = phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a = limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an = associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell = him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a = week and sometimes twice a day. Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america. After three failed attempts and a call back I finally = spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their = number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they = could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t = seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet... come on = phone/tech/gurus... little help here thanks John ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01D4E2FD.FA2BBA40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and = home phone=20 offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited = time to reply... when I=20 press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign = being speaking almost=20 english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls = are two to=20 three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their = 800=20 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a = call=20 back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they = mask=20 their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was = nothing they=20 could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement=20 that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I = can=E2=80=99t seem=20 to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a=20 way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little = help=20 here
 
thanks
John
 
------=_NextPart_000_014F_01D4E2FD.FA2BBA40-- --===============2800679036876026266== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============2800679036876026266==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 12:09:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDD02588B29 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4ABB258923A for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:20:45 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:20:52 -0400 03/25/2019 01:20:50 PM, Serialize complete at 03/25/2019 01:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3961101603337154098== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005F484B852583C8_= First, I think we all need to start telling congress to FIX THIS ISSUE or vote them out. It would be easy to fix it, but they don't want to upset their campaigning. There are lots of things you NEED to do to get *some* results. First, register on the do not call list... https://www.donotcall.gov/ Now, when you get a call. DO NOT ANSWER IT--- EVER!!!!!! If you don't know the number, DO NOT ANSWER- PERIOD. If it's important, they will leave a message. You can report calls to... https://www.donotcall.gov/ https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us And often filing this is more of a hassle, but I have seen some types of calls stop. You more than likely have a 'call blocking' option on the line (conveniently, there is a charge for this service in most cases.) Use that for repeat callers. NOTE TO PIXEL USERS (and I'm sure some other cell phone manufactures) they have built in call blocking for free. Don't forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the rules. Best thing to do is to keep you number to yourself as best as you can (NEVER put it on a courtesy card or anything like that.) Good luc... Oh wait, my phone is ringing. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005F484B852583C8_= First, I think we all need to start telling congress to FIX THIS ISSUE or vote them out.  It would be easy to fix it, but they don't want to upset their campaigning.

There are lots of things you NEED to do to get *some* results.  First, register on the do not call list...
https://www.donotcall.gov/

Now, when you get a call.  DO NOT ANSWER IT--- EVER!!!!!!

If you don't know the number, DO NOT ANSWER- PERIOD.  If it's important, they will leave a message.

You can report calls to...
https://www.donotcall.gov/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

And often filing this is more of a hassle, but I have seen some types of calls stop.

You more than likely have a 'call blocking' option on the line (conveniently, there is a charge for this service in most cases.)  Use that for repeat callers.

NOTE TO PIXEL USERS (and I'm sure some other cell phone manufactures)  they have built in call blocking for free.

Don't forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the rules.  Best thing to do is to keep you number to yourself as best as you can (NEVER put it on a courtesy card or anything like that.)

Good luc...

Oh wait, my phone is ringing.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005F484B852583C8_=-- --===============3961101603337154098== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3961101603337154098==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 12:39:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4DB25893E9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f177.google.com (mail-qt1-f177.google.com [209.85.160.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5E825892DC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f177.google.com with SMTP id v20so11247212qtv.12 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:38:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=cvmk/TVQBIc7gQWHpGVtDO0zxeTenTH5crTmUMqGoI0=; b=sVzReUGK/bo1N/XHzZ1zJYxLjOajpZYZ2j9olZmYecLRuIwZPdKnE8KRMy7/NLhC41 jKJy8+Ex3o4RBKTU//75nkWvUCwq5x9sQ8ENTqFpr460RSrxdVCIqewkoh17+zajcTDU dJV2EIH8KsZpuENht86MkbN8BiNTyzqAVBRMQJDxWSLW1phXgSGnyIsXdUtS28d12nGi d616D2HFuXD+TM5s6DCET5tL9tmDm875okjrCG5gbu2p1YPenwRMj7X+zPZezg7diQhM C4kWDyqHAxp1mIZC2G17HyP3LDKFSRZhz2i8LvCqb5P7YyRZo2oozsAVAGGQ2w0y+31n cpWA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=cvmk/TVQBIc7gQWHpGVtDO0zxeTenTH5crTmUMqGoI0=; b=TLMpMFSTMmJPZoLiHMaVCW4GKzQAa1FRVOHySSsPl8RASZfyW9TvWlowAhljGB/Q3W Q6G3Uf7L0uFw/H8Y37CeLH2siapYy/teow3BXO7+JvEIEVQbj7yZ6GAT2HI5+uWGYFzT iO8niXKPTd6R53vsvgjmVCjGAn8h1Qdd1IAcDaXNYfXyWx0DDVkXpr3XFRuqN2QVaLdC TWJ1L+CB7mTb66gS7FbN1h4E0Q50kQTsDHZ4auJFTUgi/CPSCc1qyrXhkvUvlGfoZtWu 6YLu74h/yHgNPWp8/7MAymAEQaet98ubPQm4/E8wns6x0eKGceiBx5rQluDTbpXin9f4 n0kw== Xb7zQgKkBUdX8mu014GXY18= Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-pro.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f29sm983293qte.1.2019.03.25.10.38.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:38:25 -0400 References: To: john niolon Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7258031189861195625== boundary="Apple-Mail=_8834F543-D77F-459A-AD43-AA8D435278D7" --Apple-Mail=_8834F543-D77F-459A-AD43-AA8D435278D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well, has = now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out that that = their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed are far = less than the profits from running a successful scam. If you cell = carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect app. It = isn=E2=80=99t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may have something = similar. Your cellphone should also allow you to block call from the = spoof number, although that would also block any legitimate calls from = BOA. Personally, I set up a contact group list on my mobile called = =E2=80=9CIgnore this Call=E2=80=9D and add numbers to it anytime I get a = telemarketing call; being able to actively ignore them gives me more = satisfaction than not allowing them to connect. It is childish, but I = still do it. One other thing, just FWIW. I didn=E2=80=99t change my cell number when = I moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still Area Code 314. That = turns out to be a very good thing, as most spoof calls come in with that = area code (and, more often than not, the same exchange as my phone). I = now ignore any calls from 314 that are not in my contact list and have = yet to miss a real call. You can have any area code you want on a cell = phone. Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely = get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one. Hope this helps, Jim > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home = phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a = limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an = associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell = him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a = week and sometimes twice a day. Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america. After three failed attempts and a call back I finally = spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their = number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they = could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls > =20 > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t= seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet... come on = phone/tech/gurus... little help here > =20 > thanks > John > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_8834F543-D77F-459A-AD43-AA8D435278D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very = well, has now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out = that that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed = are far less than the profits from running a successful scam.  If = you cell carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect = app.  It isn=E2=80=99t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may = have something similar.  Your cellphone should also allow you to = block call from the spoof number, although that would also block any = legitimate calls from BOA.  Personally, I set up a contact group = list on my mobile called =E2=80=9CIgnore this Call=E2=80=9D and add = numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing call; being able to actively = ignore them gives me more satisfaction than not allowing them to = connect.  It is childish, but I still do it.

One other thing, just FWIW.  I = didn=E2=80=99t change my cell number when I moved from St. Louis to New = York, so it is still Area Code 314.  That turns out to be a very = good thing, as most spoof calls come in with that area code (and, more = often than not, the same exchange as my phone).  I now ignore any = calls from 314 that are not in my contact list and have yet to miss a = real call.  You can have any area code you want on a cell phone. =  Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely get = an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.

Hope this = helps,
Jim


On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, = john niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells = phones and home phone=20 offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited = time to reply... when I=20 press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign = being speaking almost=20 english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls = are two to=20 three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their = 800=20 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a = call=20 back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they = mask=20 their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was = nothing they=20 could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement=20 that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it = resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t seem=20 to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a=20 way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little = help=20 here
 
thanks
John
 
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Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:57:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:57:28 -0400 References: To: john niolon via Shop-talk , john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5651183086817630977== boundary="Apple-Mail=_AA5E4DBF-84AC-48A4-A684-5425428B6D3A" --Apple-Mail=_AA5E4DBF-84AC-48A4-A684-5425428B6D3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 John, Try nomorobo. I=E2=80=99ve been using this free service for = years and it cuts the number of rob calls that get through way down. www.nomorobo.com Take care. Bob > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home = phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a = limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an = associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell = him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a = week and sometimes twice a day. Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america. After three failed attempts and a call back I finally = spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their = number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they = could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls > =20 > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t= seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet... come on = phone/tech/gurus... little help here > =20 > thanks > John > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_AA5E4DBF-84AC-48A4-A684-5425428B6D3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 John,
Try nomorobo.  I=E2=80=99ve = been using this free service for years and it cuts the number of rob = calls that get through way down.
www.nomorobo.com
Take = care.
= Bob
On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk = <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells = phones and home phone=20 offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited = time to reply... when I=20 press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreign = being speaking almost=20 english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls = are two to=20 three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their = 800=20 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a = call=20 back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they = mask=20 their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was = nothing they=20 could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement=20 that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it = resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t seem=20 to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a=20 way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little = help=20 here
 
thanks
John
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_AA5E4DBF-84AC-48A4-A684-5425428B6D3A-- --===============5651183086817630977== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5651183086817630977==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 13:33:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151C2589168 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM01-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092002097.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.2.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3073F25875AE for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:59:22 -0600 (MDT) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=GKjs4ioim9c/sDrooU9a99qrnaxxCDgZDcx4jYY+2Dw=; b=EojAbDH1k7CBzjsOwlLOQaEehPpaz2FkSSZ2k7u48v+pv+A90+lUv4GfW0bEfwvTsq/8q4bTEiBpUB396ncnk8owQgTbcDrLIwW54cL/VH6JGBj4ebLXA1pIsR09ipJQfribsJLr0S3sJitHJgc0QAEEEJuaOkaopc43e8/G+jyU9y4B63uEAEqMTfTdw7mICxLQ3gmqzCT3YPngXY79OrHInHej/5cw2KYwyOGWMaLgPAEIDIQfGbTIb8ilI0JT5ETahZnByuSGJtbwRSNcAQw1ONI0Pmd0/7NnoQLjMEwAiO/7TtKbvLSpnUQBnTTMyWiuf0P1Di0M7f5lT3JaUQ== Received: from SN1NAM01FT009.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.64.56) by SN1NAM01HT049.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.64.152) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1730.9; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:16 +0000 Received: from BL0PR03MB4211.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.152.64.54) by SN1NAM01FT009.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.65.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1730.9 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:16 +0000 Received: from BL0PR03MB4211.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::15b7:b3c1:d723:d2ab]) by BL0PR03MB4211.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::15b7:b3c1:d723:d2ab%4]) with mapi id 15.20.1730.019; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:16 +0000 To: shop-talk , john niolon Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] annoying calls Thread-Index: AQHU4yxI241yqbmyskK+Llk/0ZrPj6YcoIYk Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:16 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:12AE61BF8D561892E77AF13E9976DC6B357709F599B942B37E27B14E39D6EFC8; UpperCasedChecksum:470A765B9FA804AC0F489A1D6E510825EB92EB7D92ADC4E015CA0B48086AF545; SizeAsReceived:6772; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [7l0NwdJBPQqVMk+M5LcgIQdplxNJCOod] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119110)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:SN1NAM01HT049; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM01HT049: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: xd/ac7+C43bJW6qr83NytOIvshp6087lHRO4TvkGtGCgW8PEd9a5YZ+XvpkrMukJ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5190890759367622104== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BL0PR03MB4211C5CD1890B7DAE798D0EF9A5E0BL0PR03MB4211namp_" --_000_BL0PR03MB4211C5CD1890B7DAE798D0EF9A5E0BL0PR03MB4211namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a= dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i= t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a "bloc= k caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings. Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo= r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology. I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up t= he phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at that= number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/scammers= . Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway. = Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the i= ssue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their custo= mers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realiz= e this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't adopt a solution soon. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john niolon= via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone offe= ring me =93lower credit card rates=94 and have a limited time to reply... w= hen I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speakin= g almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these ca= lls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day. Today I calle= d their 800 number and got bank of america. After three failed attempts an= d a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and= they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was n= othing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=92t seem to = block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=92t fou= nd a way on the cells yet... come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here thanks John --_000_BL0PR03MB4211C5CD1890B7DAE798D0EF9A5E0BL0PR03MB4211namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a= dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i= t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a "= ;block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings. 

Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo= r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.

I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up t= he phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at that= number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/scammers= .

Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway. = Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the i= ssue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their custo= mers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if th= ey don't adopt a solution soon.
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john niolon via Shop-talk <sh= op-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls
 
for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone= offering me =93lower credit card rates=94 and have a limited time to reply= ... when I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being sp= eaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an= d sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank= of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp= oke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said th= ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of= fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can=92= t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and hav= en=92t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus= ... little help here
 
thanks
John
 
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One more item I=E2=80=99d like to add.  We use MagicJack for = our landline=20 number (we=E2=80=99ve had it for
nearly 35 years) and it only costs us $20/year plus lots of other=20 plusses.  However, my point
is they (for free) challenge every incoming caller to =E2=80=9Cpush = number ? to=20 complete this call=E2=80=9D.  This
blocks the automated dialers and has been a real plus for us.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



 
From: eric--- via Shop-talk
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying = calls
First, I think we all need to start telling = congress to=20 FIX THIS ISSUE or vote them out.  It would be easy to fix it, but = they=20 don't want to upset their campaigning.

There are lots of things you NEED to do to get *some*=20 results.  First, register on the do not call list...
https://www.donotcall.gov/

Now, when you get a call.  DO NOT ANSWER IT---=20 EVER!!!!!!

If you don't = know the=20 number, DO NOT ANSWER- PERIOD.  If it's important, they will leave = a=20 message.

You can report = calls=20 to...
https://www.donotcall.gov/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt<= /FONT>=20
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us =

And often filing this is more = of a hassle,=20 but I have seen some types of calls stop.

You more than likely have a 'call blocking' option on = the line=20 (conveniently, there is a charge for this service in most cases.)  = Use that=20 for repeat callers.

NOTE = TO PIXEL=20 USERS (and I'm sure some other cell phone manufactures)  they have = built in=20 call blocking for free.

Don't=20 forget, many of these are scam calls, so they do not play by the = rules. =20 Best thing to do is to keep you number to yourself as best as you can = (NEVER put=20 it on a courtesy card or anything like that.)

Good luc...

Oh wait,=20 my phone is ringing.


Sent from=20 my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent = as the=20 sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, = die on=20 the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John=20 Galt?=20

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([128.111.216.187]:9046 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1h8UlT-0003M7-84 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:56:07 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <0293BC9B-927A-4281-A167-319FD225D371@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:55:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 Content-Language: en-US please include it with any abuse report [128.111.216.187]:9046 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Mike Rambour via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8739484366853848240== boundary="------------CEB524B811E00710DD8DC546" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CEB524B811E00710DD8DC546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  I have a iPhone, I am sure Androids have the same setup.  I put my iPhone on Do Not Disturb, it was supposed to be something you set up so your phone does not ring in the middle of the night but I have it on 24 hours a day, it is set so anyone in my contact list can get through but all other calls are sent off to voice mail.  I do have to remember to turn it off sometimes if I am expecting a call from someone not in my contact list, but my contact list now has over 300 people in it.     mike On 3/25/2019 10:38 AM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote: > Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well, has > now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out that > that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed are > far less than the profits from running a successful scam.  If you cell > carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect app.  It > isn’t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may have something > similar.  Your cellphone should also allow you to block call from the > spoof number, although that would also block any legitimate calls from > BOA.  Personally, I set up a contact group list on my mobile called > “Ignore this Call†and add numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing > call; being able to actively ignore them gives me more satisfaction > than not allowing them to connect.  It is childish, but I still do it. > > One other thing, just FWIW.  I didn’t change my cell number when I > moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still Area Code 314.  That > turns out to be a very good thing, as most spoof calls come in with > that area code (and, more often than not, the same exchange as my > phone).  I now ignore any calls from 314 that are not in my contact > list and have yet to miss a real call.  You can have any area code you > want on a cell phone.  Changing your number is a drastic step, but I > would definitely get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one. > > Hope this helps, > Jim > > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk >> >> for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone >> offering me “lower credit card rates†and have a limited time to >> reply... when I press “1†to speak to an associate, I get a foreign >> being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling >> they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes >> twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of >> america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke >> to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number >> and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they could >> do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no >> incouragement that that would stop the calls >> Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem >> to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and >> haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... >> little help here >> thanks >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation  $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com > -- A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, you'll probably never need one again. --------------CEB524B811E00710DD8DC546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 I have a iPhone, I am sure Androids have the same setup.

 I put my iPhone on Do Not Disturb, it was supposed to be something you set up so your phone does not ring in the middle of the night but I have it on 24 hours a day, it is set so anyone in my contact list can get through but all other calls are sent off to voice mail.  I do have to remember to turn it off sometimes if I am expecting a call from someone not in my contact list, but my contact list now has over 300 people in it.
    mike

On 3/25/2019 10:38 AM, Jim Stone via Shop-talk wrote:
Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list, which once worked very well, has now become almost worthless because scammers have figured out that that their chances of being caught are slim and the fines assessed are far less than the profits from running a successful scam.  If you cell carrier is AT&T, you can try downloading their Call Protect app.  It isn’t perfect, but it helps. Other carriers may have something similar.  Your cellphone should also allow you to block call from the spoof number, although that would also block any legitimate calls from BOA.  Personally, I set up a contact group list on my mobile called “Ignore this Call†and add numbers to it anytime I get a telemarketing call; being able to actively ignore them gives me more satisfaction than not allowing them to connect.  It is childish, but I still do it.

One other thing, just FWIW.  I didn’t change my cell number when I moved from St. Louis to New York, so it is still Area Code 314.  That turns out to be a very good thing, as most spoof calls come in with that area code (and, more often than not, the same exchange as my phone).  I now ignore any calls from 314 that are not in my contact list and have yet to miss a real call.  You can have any area code you want on a cell phone.  Changing your number is a drastic step, but I would definitely get an out-of-state number, should I ever need a new one.

Hope this helps,
Jim


On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, john niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone offering me “lower credit card rates†and have a limited time to reply... when I press “1†to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here
 
thanks
John
 
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When anyone that isn't a personal friend asks for a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than from my contacts. Tom On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and > add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has mad= e > it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a > "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the > settings. > > Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free > for our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology. > > I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick up > the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives at > that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other > spammer/scammers. > > Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyway= . > Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve the > issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their > customers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they > realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't adopt a solution soon= . > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of john > niolon via Shop-talk > *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM > *To:* shop-talk > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] annoying calls > > for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home ph= one > offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a limited = time to reply... > when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an associate, I get a foreig= n being speaking > almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these > calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day. Today I > called their 800 number and got bank of america. After three failed > attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it w= as > a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said > there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list bu= t > offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls > > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t = seem to > block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=E2=80= =99t found > a way on the cells yet... come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here > > thanks > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miatatom@gmail.com > > --000000000000809ef30584f078da Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I disagree about getting ri= d of your land line. When anyone that isn't a personal friend asks for = a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out form= s, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I block rob= ocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than from my contact= s.

Tom

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop= -talk <shop-talk@autox.team.= net> wrote:
My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, and a= dd them to block list if they come from the same number. Android has made i= t easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there is now a "= ;block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings.=C2=A0

Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was free fo= r our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology.

I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick = up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives= at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other spammer/= scammers.

Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much anyw= ay. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to solve t= he issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing from their c= ustomers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if th= ey don't adopt a solution soon.
Fro= m: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john = niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls
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for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home= phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a lim= ited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an assoc= iate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an= d sometimes twice a day.=C2=A0 Today I called their 800 number and got bank= of america.=C2=A0 After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp= oke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.=C2=A0 She said th= ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of= fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
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Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...=C2=A0 I can=E2= =80=99t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number a= nd haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet...=C2=A0=C2=A0 come on phon= e/tech/gurus... little help here
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AdTjVqXcUQPttwcLRB2cONPSdt7fQAAHXHyw 8FPtn/45/0Jvg73ajdfoQ9oeqvRQQFHYMxSogeUmgPGbC3BgbHmErrnx Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We dropped our land line a long time ago, never regretted it. My smart phone shows the caller ID in terms of the names in my contact list if there is a match. If there is no match, I don't answer the phone. That way, the spammers never see an answer. If they don't leave a coherent message, with who they are and how to contact them, they don't get a call back either. I'm not sure if it's just a function of the phone app, or my carrier is involved; but when I block a number I get the option to report it as spam. I can't say for sure that all this does any good, but over the few years since I got this number, my undesirable calls have dropped from several a day to less than one a month. And those are usually wrong numbers by humans. -- Randall > I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone > that isn't a personal friend asks for a phone number, they > get the land line number (businesses, filling out forms, > etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 01:02:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ACD2589A70 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 01:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D122589625 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:22:28 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1553570548; bh=FAn+27iREF+tvYkpxw6tMc9HRRM8uxAqT4i8 taZonxE=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=eZU+PEzMbJfaE8WjZ3cZNeUzTWHpv12Qb qTg74ycLPeVqB25wI25tpiMygKWl0WBgBj6dSuaIvqltQ31DPoOOx3XFvV5CcMm4BHq pmgJemm1jO9bjS0fQNeBwmFov1PYUBeRqr7E5UvLKXFvyNwU9ojAXnRmfFhm0/RWAi0 VXqlBndw9rbF5uFLhHeyYQJOYSX9MXcAGY3zcSc3+bFr6cAMrliUYWLJOiPKibm0xFY u6qUU5J7XpXWJY7fvo0who/kU1FAmGxlzrDtZtHp8FtwhgPxyst4PBM7+0VEUUtb73S dpMh7bP0quvijkmalPXCfJfTcF54j+cw6K0PrEMjw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=DvZfYj2huJOmGAEJsKL05T+JOpnXsAI+Ok7UzjEbL9QqaBnTWFxOLFYhtpyjWu3m9Fp8/C3WQRJzh28r+PMDHoHiwNV9LyhcdU3dOele6D127zxFRELMk38RyjvHSchnfNXZ3OJJzX0G1qus80xdy53q2MjHNAfVqaH0QsbzjPPY/RmWC0SRtHwunjHl9QLN1Q/oBsBOU+6IQOmpbNN0xpAiatRkGCmJbeGHQNW4WWisglU93V8gDcDph8YcimgvHxvjhOUx9HbSW9ICORHIGXUMU4Sewfeb4AKi9/yym6UhRMXcTpHZ0Motf/k1PoUeluZEQVMpnJqY8Wdc5p+o1w==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1h8cfT-000GEt-Lg; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:22:27 -0400 To: john niolon , shop-talk References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:22:10 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4513292029985284849== boundary="------------8822B5648A76C626B415AE7B" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8822B5648A76C626B415AE7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many home phone systems have the option to save the phone number to 'call block' or similar.  If you notice the same number calling, it may be an option for you. Calls to our home are so bad that we don't answer anything not in our phone book or with a caller ID we recognize.  Once upon a time back when I answered the phone, I'd see how long I could keep the person on the phone.  That was really fun for the telemarketers 'doing work in my area'.  I'd ask if they were the ones doing the big house on Main Street to quickly ID how fraudulent they were as there is no Main St anywhere near me.  I thought about inviting them to give me as estimate at the local Sheriff department address, but never did. Brian On 3/25/2019 9:29 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk wrote: > for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone > offering me “lower credit card rates†and have a limited time to > reply... when I press “1†to speak to an associate, I get a foreign > being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they > hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice > a day. Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america. After > three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and > she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs > 800 number.  She said there was nothing they could do... but put me on > BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would > stop the calls > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can’t seem > to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and > haven’t found a way on the cells yet... come on phone/tech/gurus... > little help here > thanks > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------8822B5648A76C626B415AE7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many home phone systems have the option to save the phone number to 'call block' or similar.  If you notice the same number calling, it may be an option for you.

Calls to our home are so bad that we don't answer anything not in our phone book or with a caller ID we recognize.  Once upon a time back when I answered the phone, I'd see how long I could keep the person on the phone.  That was really fun for the telemarketers 'doing work in my area'.  I'd ask if they were the ones doing the big house on Main Street to quickly ID how fraudulent they were as there is no Main St anywhere near me.  I thought about inviting them to give me as estimate at the local Sheriff department address, but never did.

Brian

On 3/25/2019 9:29 AM, john niolon via Shop-talk wrote:
for some time I’ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone offering me “lower credit card rates†and have a limited time to reply... when I press “1†to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can’t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and haven’t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help here
 
thanks
John
 

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--------------8822B5648A76C626B415AE7B-- --===============4513292029985284849== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4513292029985284849==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 06:05:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A4D25885AE for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E7D2586B07 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 05:29:19 -0600 (MDT) References: <20d9d4d1-ecfc-d434-eea2-0e0dee746815@earthlink.net> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:29:09 -0400 03/26/2019 07:29:24 AM, Serialize complete at 03/26/2019 07:29:24 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8076037774256795396== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 003F1715852583C9_= One of the tricks I used to do (when a person would call you) was to pretend like I was really interested in what they were selling. The conversation would go like... Caller-"Hello, have you thought about vinyl siding?" Me-"I can't believe it, yes I was. Hold on, let me find the remote and turn off the TV." Then I would just continue watching TV until they hung up. Every now and then I would pick up the phone and say, "I can't find this stupid remote. I'm sorry, hold on." I would see how long I could keep them going. Recently, if a person does call, I simply, and very politely ask, "Why do you do a job that makes eveyone hate you? Really, do you enjoy getting these calls? What makes you think anyone else does? Are you parents proud that you have a job annoying people in their homes?" and I go on. BTW, back in the 90's, I put up this site on my website... It was "Fight Back!" a place to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail. https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf The stories are still there, and will be as long as I'm alive! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 003F1715852583C9_= One of the tricks I used to do (when a person would call you) was to pretend like I was really interested in what they were selling.  The conversation would go like...

Caller-"Hello, have you thought about vinyl siding?"
Me-"I can't believe it, yes I was.  Hold on, let me find the remote and turn off the TV."

Then I would just continue watching TV until they hung up.  Every now and then I would pick up the phone and say, "I can't find this stupid remote.  I'm sorry, hold on."

I would see how long I could keep them going.


Recently, if a person does call, I simply, and very politely ask, "Why do you do a job that makes eveyone hate you?  Really, do you enjoy getting these calls?  What makes you think anyone else does?  Are you parents proud that you have a job annoying people in their homes?"  and I go on.

BTW, back in the 90's, I put up this site on my website...  It was "Fight Back!"  a place to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail.
https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf
The stories are still there, and will be as long as I'm alive!



Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 003F1715852583C9_=-- --===============8076037774256795396== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8076037774256795396==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 08:32:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2B2589078 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB7B258832B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 8k1ShKFuX194g8lD7hNTlx; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:29:45 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1553603385; bh=V25x7KbXitVVOmMd91KLC/GkxYV9pETHU9r8AAx8Tm8=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date: Message-Id; b=X166iqfAt+NocJVM26oEJx88iDrc8UOetcF3mAqYlrkPWztRNSXUClPk2iKF6nmuc 6T8038Qa4SfbdfMNTb/OlIOGeMDoQ8FnRJNRm3yOF0kwPx4gtO/pZTRzP2p5Vo3Put ZZfjFPY9e91fkSoJL+iCBNDg3WUQ4x+GFqtybOYo98+9RWbTivKjpraUDV0Oe6lDqJ 4pMrdMvcvcOAtfmrTqXAHR3H71Pa3OcQT8/h57hBQL+qMLyGaIliD0FzBTzRNxJPvC CY+uKT1NjooU9hli85mNQSJiGrTBx+eTYjhJ0wmbdzUauP+qu+AwgazH0SX/0gqKzO 5IThnIgVRE1kw== Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 8lCvhLZ0COJh28lCwh4e2a; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:29:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:29:33 -0400 Cc: shop-talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Rochlin Robert via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6776403078122652502== boundary="Apple-Mail=_7808FE62-9240-4C1E-93AA-AF406D5AAC95" --Apple-Mail=_7808FE62-9240-4C1E-93AA-AF406D5AAC95 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I got an offer form Verizon that offered an app to block spam = calls for $2.99 a month per line. So Verizon has taken a major problem = for its customers and converted to a profit center for itself. =20 Bob > On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Tom Shirley via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > I disagree about getting rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't = a personal friend asks for a phone number, they get the land line number = (businesses, filling out forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to = screen the nonsense. I block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any = calls on it other than from my contacts.=20 >=20 > Tom >=20 > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ McGarvey via Shop-talk = > My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, = and add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android = has made it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there = is now a "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried = in the settings.=20 >=20 > Nomorobo.com does cost money for cell phones last I checked. It was = free for our land line through Verizon - which supports the technology. >=20 > I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick = up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives = at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other = spammer/scammers. >=20 > Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much = anyway. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to = solve the issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing = from their customers about this, and have most likely reached a = threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if they don't = adopt a solution soon. > From: Shop-talk Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM > To: shop-talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls > =20 > for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells phones and home = phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D and have a = limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to speak to an = associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and when I tell = him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a = week and sometimes twice a day. Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america. After three failed attempts and a call back I finally = spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their = number and it shows BoAs 800 number. She said there was nothing they = could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but offered no = incouragement that that would stop the calls > =20 > Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved... I can=E2=80=99t= seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and = haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the cells yet... come on = phone/tech/gurus... little help here > =20 > thanks > John > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miatatom@gmail.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7808FE62-9240-4C1E-93AA-AF406D5AAC95 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I got an = offer form Verizon that offered an app to block spam calls for $2.99 a = month per line.  So Verizon has taken a major problem for its = customers and converted to a profit center for itself.  
= Bob

On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Tom Shirley via = Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I disagree about getting = rid of your land line. When anyone that isn't a personal friend asks for = a phone number, they get the land line number (businesses, filling out = forms, etc.). Caller ID and a recorder help to screen the nonsense. I = block robocalls on my cell and rarely get any calls on it other than = from my contacts.

Tom

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:40 PM PJ = McGarvey via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
My simple suggestion (and it may be too late) is to ignore the calls, = and add them to block list if they come from the same number. Android = has made it easier by tapping on the number in your call log and there = is now a "block caller" option at the bottom. previously it was buried in the settings. 

Nomorobo.com does cost = money for cell phones last I checked. It was free for our land line = through Verizon - which supports the technology.

I don't think handling it logically works anymore. As soon as you pick = up the phone or return a call, you've basically validated someone lives = at that number, and most likely those lists are shared with other = spammer/scammers.

Another would be to cancel your land line if you don't use it much = anyway. Or call your phone service providers and tell them they need to = solve the issue with spam calls. It sounds like providers are hearing = from their customers about this, and have most likely reached a threshold where they realize this will hurt their bu$ine$$ if = they don't adopt a solution soon.
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john = niolon via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:29 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls
 
for some time I=E2=80=99ve been getting calls on cells = phones and home phone offering me =E2=80=9Clower credit card rates=E2=80=9D= and have a limited time to reply... when I press =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D to = speak to an associate, I get a foreign being speaking almost english and = when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week = and sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got = bank of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I = finally spoke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said = there was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list = but offered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it = resolved...  I can=E2=80=99t seem to block the number on my home = phone since it[s a 800 number and haven=E2=80=99t found a way on the = cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus... little help = here
 
thanks
John
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_7808FE62-9240-4C1E-93AA-AF406D5AAC95-- --===============6776403078122652502== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6776403078122652502==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 10:40:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24CB2588C52 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (mail-ot1-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBE52580AC3 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id d24so11740628otl.11 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:13:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=p5//QUc7U+KEKhLJ1+gPNSd1sx4BllDj3Gxmb9wOS4c=; b=MVYUSc8aIvUAMx2ljNf9ZFzYcPq8SU8rab+xr7XH88AijhRyLjPbiRr0QB5/BlIV57 vt4pVMG7DOPwGwLhBCjxDWfZzvcXySTLcNoZzYfeYTXO0bwWKK3CAu032LN8DA76Cnj6 MAS1axqWLf2I1VLW4X3G6lUQ184L9XBr6uRBbJ2hcFRPm/04hs9YSzMq57J/37eH35Zp meB5bKvaop3HEBLbi3/P8gCYHqfKRITNLpRY41vwpNiuTZA056V53pwsaoJmcEyGpign pijP59xh2llrEYEVzgzzrKDEYjoVy0qgL7Dv4EnaBXuZ4axJ1cEIMmAjPM3oHyvqxiBD EqWA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=p5//QUc7U+KEKhLJ1+gPNSd1sx4BllDj3Gxmb9wOS4c=; b=YVZ9/gNZVcwSM5nZlM7xCy+4A11v46ZkN/BuY51m1k9EM8anI9F0F1KsXu9kHnu3xv a3JX8hHg0yXXWAOY+HnLQ6bDrvYNaxmXeQ0lxC1fy5A4nbsS+xVilOCpx0EorVfTmpdH tSii4gJkOBSQjO96y1l30Cfk3OTGBbSzbge9EOiUhpY/YIWGS4PBa++QhKcevJnWzrEG iaqHtMBY9HOyTrr+/OAjIg517KkZoRsmr5tblXZR6ZKzcaUaoTi9hk9D4b4dAwXHXnu+ +bsnYk5N2cFfMa3kymcrW6RJP/iRMEYK9L044MawxvV/nqNxSat6YBcmIJ4DDj5VIbzQ ls9g== W65K6yGWBmoWeHB38OtvDsOmdBtSjecuCfuwiwKwsA== Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <20d9d4d1-ecfc-d434-eea2-0e0dee746815@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:12:57 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0464759347780563130== --000000000000421124058500c247 I used to torment call droids too...but now I think most of them are doing that job because they can't find anything else. I prefer they do that than sit at home. I assume every single one of them leaves the very second they find something better. I do what everyone else does: do not call list, everybody gets Google Voice number. Then I don't answer calls I don't recognize. I block persistent same numbers...and my ringer is always on silent so unless I'm looking at the phone when you call...I won't answer anyway. I'm doing pretty good--I get almost no spam calls to my cell. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 7:07 AM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > One of the tricks I used to do (when a person would call you) was to > pretend like I was really interested in what they were selling. The > conversation would go like... > > Caller-"Hello, have you thought about vinyl siding?" > Me-"I can't believe it, yes I was. Hold on, let me find the remote and > turn off the TV." > > Then I would just continue watching TV until they hung up. Every now and > then I would pick up the phone and say, "I can't find this stupid remote. > I'm sorry, hold on." > > I would see how long I could keep them going. > > > Recently, if a person does call, I simply, and very politely ask, "Why do > you do a job that makes eveyone hate you? Really, do you enjoy getting > these calls? What makes you think anyone else does? Are you parents proud > that you have a job annoying people in their homes?" and I go on. > > BTW, back in the 90's, I put up this site on my website... It was "Fight > Back!" a place to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail. > https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf > > The stories are still there, and will be as long as I'm alive! > > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --000000000000421124058500c247 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to torment call droids too...but now I think most = of them are doing that job because they can't find anything else. I pre= fer they do that than sit at home. I assume every single one of them leaves= the very second they find something better.=C2=A0

I do what everyone else does: do not call list, everyb= ody gets Google Voice number. Then I don't answer calls I don't rec= ognize. I block persistent same numbers...and my ringer is always on silent= so unless I'm looking at the phone when you call...I won't answer = anyway.=C2=A0

I'm do= ing pretty good--I get almost no spam calls to my cell.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
<= /div>
O= n Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 7:07 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
One of th= e tricks I used to do (when a person would call you) was to pretend like I was really interested in what they were selling.=C2=A0 The conversation would go like...

Caller-"Hello, have you thoug= ht about vinyl siding?"
Me-"I can't believe it, y= es I was. =C2=A0Hold on, let me find the remote and turn off the TV."

Then I would just continue watchin= g TV until they hung up.=C2=A0 Every now and then I would pick up the phone and say, "I can't find this stupid remote.=C2=A0 I'm sorry, ho= ld on."

I would see how long I could keep = them going.


Recently, if a person does call, I= simply, and very politely ask, "Why do you do a job that makes eveyone hate you?=C2=A0 Really, do you enjoy getting these calls?=C2=A0 What makes you think anyone else does?=C2=A0 Are you parents proud that you have a job annoying people in their homes?" =C2=A0and I go on.

BTW, back in the 90's, I put u= p this site on my website...=C2=A0 It was "Fight Back!" =C2=A0a place to share ways to annoy telemarketers or junk mail.
= https://www.megageek.com/fightbk/fightbk.nsf
The stories are still there, and w= ill be as long as I'm alive!



Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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I am able to block numbers with my cell phone. But, at least twice, I've re= ceived a voice mail from a blocked number call. One would think that if the= number is blocked then no voice mail would be able to be left FFS. 

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john niolon via Shop-talk <sh= op-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 11:29 AM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] annoying calls
 
for some time I=92ve been getting calls on cells phones and home phone= offering me =93lower credit card rates=94 and have a limited time to reply= ... when I press =931=94 to speak to an associate, I get a foreign being sp= eaking almost english and when I tell him to stop calling they hang up..these calls are two to three times a week an= d sometimes twice a day.  Today I called their 800 number and got bank= of america.  After three failed attempts and a call back I finally sp= oke to a person and she told me it was a scam and they mask their number and it shows BoAs 800 number.  She said th= ere was nothing they could do... but put me on BoAs do not call list but of= fered no incouragement that that would stop the calls
 
Is there anywhere I can take this to get it resolved...  I can=92= t seem to block the number on my home phone since it[s a 800 number and hav= en=92t found a way on the cells yet...   come on phone/tech/gurus= ... little help here
 
thanks
John
 
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So Verizon has taken a major problem for its customers and converted to a profit center for itself. I just read that, sometime in March, Verizon is rolling out free call blocking. See the article here, about 2/3 of the way down: https://clark.com/technology/phones-mobile-devices/how-to-stop-robocalls/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 16:30:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AF225885E2 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f169.google.com (mail-it1-f169.google.com [209.85.166.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B40A2587943 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 139so22130507ita.4 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=hF04kHVMWrZRqSVfNxQneN/stly6QGvNrK4k6ksm3C8=; b=QtfkBibwtuVJLkbQ33ruTOYZCPmgQy2eYQpB8a6OaXWiiQ55GlOmGPVD11C7RdlDBG DDNHLN8oj/fyEE7a6oJ2JFQJRVhOe62EfmFYMC5oRo+Ybte6CRHhf9Xs8VQ1PtpXQWbl C7/WJHrvjjRf9x4zWxbRjrP69mF2JlrhYyZ4GpmsCxB3tFIko3cdInFcOGgyIIlwlJXQ 5Nq3MG7wKS6ZtVlJS0+bP+nfQDTSOPOTQql1dwq5dCdiQS2UAeu5MsaS+jBovJaeScRi XZ0OPUC5mTFWUhu9xLRb40WHZFoJZFr0MW1sPdmd+RIujGWEuyX7j+bcwhzKOf1V8IP/ AtuA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=hF04kHVMWrZRqSVfNxQneN/stly6QGvNrK4k6ksm3C8=; b=ZzdbalYefz/qG3KMoqOOO4/D3s9S+mNGwJQwJxmXv2BO0dke8/rqdHEuFiaE2MX6b3 bKO9fH/5JNMvfAKfMBSqbmgt8m6c3OF+HTjaC35jQg7zlkKxZqZlbMFWva2JLn7h2nD4 mKXzgDlj8nnU3rku8QNkEn85QZvpDN+17bcYvPTFY6O02vqdIojvxRY/FY9DuWfHQvhY HtJ+0WvqKwd+eY5Dlsd1R+blI8jZx5RQYTZ7BM1ZA9pzf84v2AiiKvTw+e6wCisLxr7j TdO+rUYuLi5rceKKFd1SLrJjwt3tto7GGlX7nV3nK/v1y35VQiEnHYLtn3NV8EHYwXua /Gpw== Y59OqG1Tw27UP2rvgCltYOgE7yK9 Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KarlIntel ([2601:243:2080:19b0:cc59:29da:223d:8180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u197sm7803749itb.9.2019.03.26.12.35.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:35:37 -0500 Thread-Index: AdTj5hwM9qMQerhaQEWN2GJZJ4aAuQAJL5Kg Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7220051955886157120== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01D4E3E1.2EA59FA0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D4E3E1.2EA59FA0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next. We're working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8' ceiling. We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can't go wider garage due to the house's location on the lot. Can't go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house. I think that'll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? Advice ?? Thanks in advance !! Karl "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D4E3E1.2EA59FA0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true = later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish = our 1-1/2 car garage and build a = bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  = Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ = ceiling.

 

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet = deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s = location on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting = off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage = forward of the house, neither of which sound good to = us.

 

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look = compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, = etc.) roof lines on the house.

 

I think = that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to = consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for = a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical = cars?

 

Advice ??

 

Thanks in = advance !!

 

Karl

 

 

 

"Veni, = Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."  (I came, I saw, I want to go = home.)

 

------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D4E3E1.2EA59FA0-- --===============7220051955886157120== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7220051955886157120==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 19:57:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6825725893BB for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wm1-f52.google.com (mail-wm1-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3CD2588987 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f52.google.com with SMTP id z24so11469603wmi.5 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:47:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DIQR8XTK4PSCniYhrC8I7CEWEcq6BMxPg5IIqUrBWV0=; b=HmvvYgTsbcB8z/5l8I/6vma4jxr+m/u3W/fmsdCQFt2jawOAZkjEQeVyutTbG7KHE0 6sccG4PvD36ayPuZOUh+XWUe9Wd1DPVSGD5jXKrkC4UI4Sm/uZSRC+ajWnOSEmjxSCfI 8DvMzt9hBAUnghB4zUnuRS+nQKBQGvsRx1XiMqq5EG+Dg295ra1BA+FCs5RUH1XNDvLw MwcPRO10muHrfmDqgdWkjOBfMQiJ9iN8i+KZgFhDfT4A8C0c0EXhAEecBIwQfybLJHsh 1v4BgyfD6uH0BLdjxJe+NHCC1bRW3js2GYUkTJ/VMrf7sq8erHAb0tDkS7MX19jtLMtF MYNQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DIQR8XTK4PSCniYhrC8I7CEWEcq6BMxPg5IIqUrBWV0=; b=UIZlPR13L2FapxwyI4oKrS8reQk1jS+CCuqf/mfZiEGC54v3THlmeuAyvfHbMeQbnA QnZMi6MESIiMDnzo8KyYMUgzVszVLI1jNhHlvJPCvPVUkL96oNSE3RYPeuNmEOR3aTqm Rc6unNj17S8OKR8btNJ3NTR3t6JhWwvyNBIcJZndY3jZqPGQ0AY0p7zoTzkWz/vTMX3g waBxg4dChz0zPGMrK6M5RrlGfx/eDaUvQU7whS8Palx6++U9+cqdbUb7ChPFnBelvi9P Zpkm/HkyztqNdjw3swCPx/7WO0MLYZIKBi16ZWe/NNWOLpLihvG22HZiMJFG/hTeSeaS alvQ== MxvIQIXVhW653nFOx5vG3jmPaSOSr7DAMNc2X3c= Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:47:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 18:47:12 -0400 To: Karl Vacek Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Bruce Bubeck via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7268009417025920570== --000000000000c22e150585071a00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karl, 10' should work. Typical non-SUV cars are around 56" high. YMMV. I made a 9' ceiling work with a 4 post lift but one of the cars was an Elise. Bruce On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:28 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or > next. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an= d build a > bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage > is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > > > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wid= er garage > due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go longer = without further > cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara= ge > forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the > rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t= he > house. > > > > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do= need to > consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif= t > to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > > > Advice ?? > > > > Thanks in advance !! > > > > Karl > > > > > > > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bbubeck01@gmail.com > > --000000000000c22e150585071a00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Karl,
10' should work. Typical non-SUV cars = are around 56" high. YMMV. I made a 9' ceiling work with a 4 post = lift but one of the cars was an Elise.
Bruce

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019= at 6:28 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dr= eam of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80= =99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a baseme= nt and a higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2= =80=99 ceiling.

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We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet d= eep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s locatio= n on the lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the= kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the= house, neither of which sound good to us.

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10 feet seems to be = the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and = match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.<= /p>

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I = think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do nee= d to consider a future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate f= or a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?=

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Advice ??

=C2=A0

Thanks in advance !!

=C2=A0

Karl

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"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."=C2=A0 (I c= ame, I saw, I want to go home.)

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([2600:1702:2f90:6b10:d0bc:4f51:2506:d9f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d21sm8084422otl.33.2019.03.26.15.50.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 18:50:19 -0400 References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> To: Karl Vacek , Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4152192244265452859== boundary=Apple-Mail-47F6B54A-147C-4DA9-BDCC-042479B20755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-47F6B54A-147C-4DA9-BDCC-042479B20755 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot ceilings in two garages. Ten feet i= s the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my opinion. I would stack two cars (ty= pically a Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80= =99t terribly for that but I always wished I could go higher, especially whe= n I did any work on a car. The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80=9D= in the ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go. They=E2=80=99ll m= ake a huge difference. It goes without saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage do= or to he as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a sp= ot at the first house. A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both times) is nice to clean up t= he ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car door because that track w= ill hang down next to the vehicle and not over it. -Paul > On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote: >=20 > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or ne= xt. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and bui= ld a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage= is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > =20 > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wide= r garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go l= onger without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing th= e front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to u= s. > =20 > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the r= est of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the h= ouse. > =20 > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do n= eed to consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a= lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > =20 > Advice ?? > =20 > Thanks in advance !! > =20 > Karl > =20 > =20 > =20 > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkan= zky@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-47F6B54A-147C-4DA9-BDCC-042479B20755 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot c= eilings in two garages. Ten feet is the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my o= pinion. I would stack two cars (typically a Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TD= I Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=99t terribly for that but I always wishe= d I could go higher, especially when I did any work on a car.

=
The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80= =9D in the ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go. They=E2=80=99= ll make a huge difference.

It goes without saying t= hat you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage door to he as high as poss= ible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot at the first house.

A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both tim= es) is nice to clean up the ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car d= oor because that track will hang down next to the vehicle and not over it.
-Paul

On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this yea= r or next.  We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car ga= rage and build a bigger one, with a basem= ent and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2= =80=99 ceiling.

 

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.&nbs= p; Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the l= ot.  Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen si= nk window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neit= her of which sound good to us.

&nb= sp;

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall he= ight to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level= (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

 

I think that=E2=80=99ll give en= ough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer a= s well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car s= torage for at least typical cars?

=  

Advice ??

 

Thanks in advance !!

 

Karl

 

 

 

"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."  (I came, I= saw, I want to go home.)

 

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And "it depends". My building is 117 inches from slab to bottom of the rafters. The ones I have surveyed [I have started a spreadsheet with about 15 different 7,000 and 9,000 lb 4 post lifts on it] have columns that are 100 or less inches tall so fitting the lift and being able to move it around on the casters will not be a problem. The challenge is "how tall is the vehicle?" and "what is the ultimate goal?". In my case I want it more for storage than for lifting a vehicle to wok on it. So the math works out like this: MR2 - 50 inches tall Deck - most seem to be between 5 and 6 inches. So 117 - 50 - 6 = 61 inches. Therefore what ever I want to park under the lift can not be more than 61 inches tall. Note that 61 does not take into consideration the granularity of the lift safety catch spacing [between 4 and 8 inches, depending on vendor] and the "idiot left his finger on the button and crushed his MR2 and three ceilings joists before the building collapsed around him" factor. So go measure your cars, do the math and you should be good to go. Note that width of the bottom vehicle will need to be considered but it is not a constraint on how high the walls need to be. Arvid On 3/26/19 2:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote: > > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a biggerone, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling. > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house. > > I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > Advice ?? > > Thanks in advance !! > > Karl > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."  (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com > --------------5FE57E218187ABF47F37F399 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I am going thru similar calculations. And "it depends".

My building is 117 inches from slab to bottom of the rafters.

The ones I have surveyed [I have started a spreadsheet with about 15 different 7,000 and 9,000 lb 4 post lifts on it] have columns that are 100 or less inches tall so fitting the lift and being able to move it around on the casters will not be a problem.

The challenge is "how tall is the vehicle?" and "what is the ultimate goal?".

In my case I want it more for storage than for lifting a vehicle to wok on it. So the math works out like this:

MR2 - 50 inches tall

Deck - most seem to be between 5 and 6 inches.

So 117 - 50 - 6 = 61 inches.

Therefore what ever I want to park under the lift can not be more than 61 inches tall. Note that 61 does not take into consideration the granularity of the lift safety catch spacing [between 4 and 8 inches, depending on vendor] and the "idiot left his finger on the button and crushed his MR2 and three ceilings joists before the building collapsed around him" factor.

So go measure your cars, do the math and you should be good to go.

Note that width of the bottom vehicle will need to be considered but it is not a constraint on how high the walls need to be.

Arvid


On 3/26/19 2:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:

At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling.

 

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us.

 

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

 

I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?

 

Advice ??

 

Thanks in advance !!

 

Karl

 

 

 

"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."  (I came, I saw, I want to go home.)

 


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--------------5FE57E218187ABF47F37F399-- --===============7230078055316013769== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7230078055316013769==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 21:04:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ADD258016F for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f52.google.com (mail-ot1-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238E4258812E for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id f10so13174711otb.6 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QYC8YDH/7Eg42njxZMGuz0MrsGAZeG0jeqGiAqiuAdc=; b=XbVOLAtxbnthjsr5KqG1fQwWNGzQWz2biYgJGla9Shuwl7npf1i03/IjlB2BrzK6kZ gZOZthrBhyBHrHQ/c+mCEysuVUw4zKJlCc65Y/b3CIKSthVSmTXamkYIqNUTyCf4OUUy H5U3q1DLsI4t//SYK0Hj3HNWIUq82Jgp86rtc0XW8/eRhxKlTh9Sto2OWw4/hfYNTt7p iwReSaPWjzMHm/TrKV/k6FwFYSlbEgQtFZlMoHcsPuyXxFW8rgftR83sWwgnAf2P14RC 6SV3bnDFqf06pusSLZ0fCPZVrtOENPYqduRN6ZPbyFqKajWmcNFXc31N+uKJ6anEUgtS Oluw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=QYC8YDH/7Eg42njxZMGuz0MrsGAZeG0jeqGiAqiuAdc=; b=bB080rpZN++FQkKIBdSAPtMRWh2kQWcGCL29Zm9eBEoxmSqBIONpf6chedYlCSjFey 6WYRWjazqw3eLxtkcNLDpxo0A2O3WUKJwbIlgqQxoxB1m7ZLlXRuI0aQV+vojLdR1Cxw oBsprj+yjBX2Ltb2yLasnabeFDLkB7XbU+rUcEIV9o4BxS1n0J+VMr8QCLJZzLc+DfT8 PzPGJZmvZ7snWQohFIKyqDJ+zGHlPTjZbNYUSFXqrLnXz8F5+X5oe5kkmd7ND+NGSAQd eHNf7jYoZEf2VLp5CuTMCIsHPB/GTC/ripuhWQ7T6InC7/UpebH/4hsHzYjEmyxdeCO6 CNtQ== uHmW+L0OCPwNdbQwwUbW8cIi7eCLiDO8YT0ofCOwRg== Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:24:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:24:09 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6314397533243719726== --000000000000fcbdf50585079e2d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it crazy to dig down a little? I almost bought a house with a lift that could stack two cars. It was a 12-foot ceiling. I think *maybe* there were 24 more inches in there too lose...but it'd be awfully nice to not have to worry about it. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:32 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or > next. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an= d build a > bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage > is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > > > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wid= er garage > due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go longer = without further > cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara= ge > forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the > rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t= he > house. > > > > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do= need to > consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif= t > to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > > > Advice ?? > > > > Thanks in advance !! > > > > Karl > > > > > > > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail= .com > > --000000000000fcbdf50585079e2d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it crazy to dig down a little? I almost bought a house= with a lift that could stack two cars. It was a 12-foot ceiling. I think *= maybe* there were 24 more inches in there too lose...but it'd be awfull= y nice to not have to worry about it.

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:32 PM Karl Vac= ek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@= autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dream of a 4= -post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re worki= ng on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.=C2=A0 R= ight now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.

=C2=A0

We c= an go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wide= r garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99= t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pus= hing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound g= ood to us.

=C2=A0

=

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look= compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, et= c.) roof lines on the house.

=C2=A0

I think that=E2=80=99ll give enoug= h ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as = well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car s= torage for at least typical cars?

<= u>=C2=A0

Advice ??

=C2=A0

Thanks = in advance !!

=C2=A0<= /p>

Karl

<= /u>=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

"Veni, V= idi, Volo in Domum Redire."=C2=A0 (I came, I saw, I want to go home.)<= u>

=C2=A0

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--000000000000fcbdf50585079e2d-- --===============6314397533243719726== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6314397533243719726==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 21:18:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3802589706 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f170.google.com (mail-oi1-f170.google.com [209.85.167.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5AF2588B93 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f170.google.com with SMTP id i21so11411754oib.11 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:42:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rFiV3NtdvT3AY3gPiwFBEb9od3eE6nyftCSTwHwWURc=; b=D44Xc77tK9pkXWbm3xtAKpLWbkzal5XovP2+BzsFqefKGIe+G8kgpK3FJpNlTLUxX0 aJM/qTkKwdktGevIanIcJeBRgdertPwQfON7VlkBn6U52WiBpDfjkvc4N8UpbLAqhsYX ir1O/K1EcxW29uHTGZmoOQJyvmWQBOMbR2EpMFpy8DiRit22Fmz3WqGostuARUTYCBPN S91fBqC2L5tHM09fLRsmd7xO3qwGmZ+ZyRRaUgdn6N45rU0HlYDDPzjJplECh9fmXS35 qls6GGWo+YlSw70pBW0+83xoMd7EhFXHn//sX5y8RiErLUFg9FFz2cRKwnxN+3oITRsR m/aw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rFiV3NtdvT3AY3gPiwFBEb9od3eE6nyftCSTwHwWURc=; b=rzP4Rbn3SFivyN5/OrkRxyJw60UrQa370YuM3+JZft8u/QjjBYJehiF9A24xwgdd// TQ4E3Y7fko8SkndmBHSCNlsak75x1gc5ljVRRXPCtIhK29H3P0Jgabh6SDqihScBhJPB S8IeoDGoGv3NrFom+3mpgPXODHdpy1NtnIatEDEsUmOpCKxFnUHXTQeInSs6flqCL6F5 7hIQxfLp0o49PoR16xDDosgsKSSs1nr6YcHNU7gbFrxqAiTF2to6qIsZp8QK7cA/VpOr hZ2G2ayRZkX7l8ZBrCFRFowX64Fxhc8vEdbZGfNKQLaRuSKQPIz1lQ/oyrdEmc3jH0x1 cT/g== W0XWY0AR+de4TwFjzU2vkuj/imseu2hE8aQdVtI= r205mr16145936oib.167.1553643735329; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:42:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:42:03 -0400 To: Karl Vacek Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7937910158156035850== --000000000000f3b232058507de56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember, your wall height only limits your ceiling height at the wall. With some simple carpentry, you can have a raised portion starting a foot or two away from the wall. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:38 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or > next. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an= d build a > bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage > is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > > > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wid= er garage > due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go longer = without further > cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara= ge > forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the > rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t= he > house. > > > > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do= need to > consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif= t > to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > > > Advice ?? > > > > Thanks in advance !! > > > > Karl > > > > > > > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000f3b232058507de56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Remember, your wall height only limits your ceiling heigh= t at the wall.=C2=A0 With some simple carpentry, you can have a raised port= ion starting a foot or two away from the wall.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 6:38 PM= Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dr= eam of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80= =99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceili= ng.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling.

=C2=A0

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80= =99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot.=C2=A0 = Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window= view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of w= hich sound good to us.

=C2= =A0

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall = height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-le= vel (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

=C2=A0

I think that=E2=80= =99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a = future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to all= ow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?

=C2=A0

Advice ??<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks in advance !!

=C2=A0

Karl

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."=C2=A0 (I came, I saw, I wa= nt to go home.)

=C2=A0

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--000000000000f3b232058507de56-- --===============7937910158156035850== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7937910158156035850==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 21:34:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A97C2589763 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f49.google.com (mail-ot1-f49.google.com [209.85.210.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B454A2589504 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f49.google.com with SMTP id c16so13239995otn.4 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SFWthY9XjLWNxtUO9nZx4uzL9tb6qo2yzRKHj2ls7bk=; b=BuDQGzNXZ8VBhzS7HVKQk44GfVighwSy1Etl7mOvnwO06UMtwgwdXAyaCqmuU/Vgnd Opp8zaHnbwD9xHur7MS+2WtFG3Xh9vgFe827Px7AG41J39ZfGypdcBv1ZR6zcUW4VU1B 2CbBxowrBD7pm1pXgrp3Ipri6H/NNoL/D07lpCtROWH9FshGaTp4U2wnCrP/kNbtVNbF /CrNFlXtpr+E7/20U4zXOY6iMfJW+NdHETmMu9sFr8OtvCDBFCGGrpcOdXBKihDdnWde HlrN40Hj5vOLXrFKfO8wx2k3mTu1jHGXdGUxJtEqnGI+qCFPNIQz71DmlOErGtA7MwXB KHyA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SFWthY9XjLWNxtUO9nZx4uzL9tb6qo2yzRKHj2ls7bk=; b=VO7Sj30AYFY30u2SH84knqYds7GvU3VsUd3nlEFVHnhzDhfTjCV1viJUJV9bsCWPbp xu6GiRxlh1r+EQQ/7tbARCIQYp9P2WFdC4cav5ETlG/K9/tXXbdtzvMg82ObKDxehA5R DBozW4/THI5KdCWcH4VQNIMn7yCpxkrDs5nStWnDq67y+14+H5KBruy/6tkmaIyewm5V gvdhDijvVe1veNUDxrsAHvbHRExyLzUwhsQZKsitbojbc7tQ+QvhvE3MmkBCQzCa/Zlu pAEltVlBr/37tq5y+pAZNJZvx92PsmnSZaNVb2+ONhnQU6QfRHRwboW3gomNa35r+zWQ celA== 2JmmHI1LSHDUPAOmVrGIV6FGD52yasQIoOJyDNlXsagi Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:56:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:56:22 -0400 To: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1641867218493054983== --0000000000001e407c05850812bc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, Not a direct answer to your question, but when we built our shop I was also restricted to 10' sidewalls, so that things didn't look out of whack. I ended up using a scissor truss over the area where the lift would go, with garage door tracks that followed the now angled ceiling. That gave a good bit more clearance for a lift. Not sure that works for your situation, but wanted to mention it, in case it did. Mark On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:31 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or > next. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an= d build a > bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage > is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > > > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wid= er garage > due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go longer = without further > cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara= ge > forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the > rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t= he > house. > > > > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do= need to > consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif= t > to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > > > Advice ?? > > > > Thanks in advance !! > > > > Karl > > > > > > > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --0000000000001e407c05850812bc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

Not a direct answer to your ques= tion, but when we built our shop I was also restricted to 10' sidewalls= , so that things didn't look out of whack.

I ended up using a sc= issor truss over the area where the lift would go, with garage door tracks = that followed the now angled ceiling.=C2=A0 That gave a good bit more clear= ance for a lift.

Not sure that works for your situation, but wanted = to mention it, in case it did.

Mark

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 6:3= 1 PM Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dream of = a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re wo= rking on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger on= e, with a basement and a= higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 c= eiling.

=C2=A0

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2= =A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on th= e lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitche= n sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house,= neither of which sound good to us.

=C2=A0

10 feet seems to be the lim= it of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match t= he lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

=C2=A0

I think t= hat=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to co= nsider a future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a li= ft to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?

=C2=A0

Advi= ce ??

=C2=A0

Thanks in advance !!

=C2=A0

Karl

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."=C2=A0 (I came, I = saw, I want to go home.)

=C2= =A0

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--0000000000001e407c05850812bc-- --===============1641867218493054983== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1641867218493054983==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 23:53:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A94258989A for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.onyx.syn-alias.com [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91182589562 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 18:24:55 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1553646294; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=AoOkPVKQnWuu1uLjyY1Eq6EJQGk=; b=rX+48OY89YgD0i9/FotEFBnKOTTWVrmF6W2eAGT79X8FZVazCjBWB6koWwpkkChp 4LVn1xfhYb+697IX7eV6drjuiD3KR33Mdg4JXz7xbWc6OfMK/CjVkBDtIosZqEUV FH6eHJssTjEeoG/oHKDpOFKPnraqTB73L5dyfRLtFEiQpcZ6HOOOGdVhg+6ypCw9 YOlmP9uxwbCoLk3vLDHEAHkMThUxk+WVmnlgpZyPPJCkg3XU7nJopr16amBPsdpJ ixU/m5dee14ZrJe9lOGbjRmmwnKeCKwC61797nEbJ93VNuCx+QHT4rW8YQEeWNgg SJcuG8nZDyVwKLXrt/fzeA==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=NTGMnVQrEZIA:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=ZAge69_amnugK-gtDKQA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=1jIuuKYfGAGHXyEjo6sA:9 a=DwDGaMIH_pIIYVRC:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:28518] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id FC/92-11891-6D2CA9C5; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:24:54 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, stearman809@gmail.com References: <005101d4e40b$177b0b60$46712220$@GMail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:24:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage ceiling height From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4280424331792051689== boundary="------------27405C39C803D786D5A26372" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------27405C39C803D786D5A26372 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 10' will be barely adequate. Add together the heights of two cars plus 8-12" additional. (the ramps are 4" - 6" high and you need to raise it up a few inches to clear the safety latches before you can lower it). I have a four post lift. Our garage ceiling is ~ 11' 8" high. With my small cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) I can raise it up to give a little over 6' underneath (I am 6' 1" and can walk under without ducking). I doubt I could do that with an SUV or minivan on top. What are your plans for the space above the garage? Can you use scissor trusses to raise up the ceiling 'cathedral' style without increasing the wall height?? Another thing to plan for with your garage remodel is higher door tracks and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space available to the car up on the lift. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote: > > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year > or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and > build a biggerone, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now > the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling. > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider > garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer > without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing > the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound > good to us. > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with > the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof > lines on the house. > > I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need > to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for > a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > Advice ?? > --------------27405C39C803D786D5A26372 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

10' will be barely adequate. Add together the heights of two cars plus 8-12" additional. (the ramps are 4" - 6" high and you need to raise it up a few inches to clear the safety latches before you can lower it).

I have a four post lift. Our garage ceiling is ~ 11' 8" high. With my small cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) I can raise it up to give a little over 6' underneath (I am 6' 1" and can walk under without ducking). I doubt I could do that with an SUV or minivan on top.

What are your plans for the space above the garage? Can you use scissor trusses to raise up the ceiling 'cathedral' style without increasing the wall height??

Another thing to plan for with your garage remodel is higher door tracks and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space available to the car up on the lift.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:

At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.  We’re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling.  Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8’ ceiling.

 

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.  Can’t go wider garage due to the house’s location on the lot.  Can’t go longer without further cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us.

 

10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

 

I think that’ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?

 

Advice ??

 


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On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
 
I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough = ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to consider a future buyer as = well.  Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lift to allow 2-level = car storage for at least typical cars?

You=E2=80=99ll lose some to lights, I think. But I = bet this discussion has been thoroughly gone over on garage journal.com :-)

In my experience, many more future buyers will be = concerned about how the garage matches the house than whether the garage = has enough ceiling height. 

Jim

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autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9F225894EC for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 06:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 139so25878512ita.4 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3+IsqlX9Ec7QPyt7+a345PjNSdHxoVUrAs9B3XxM+No=; b=CSxvHvoPad8NG1gL1v+9eoL1tX91gt7wior0z7EmZ/vYfuyYyTD5HoKqNwiv+6DVS/ yUsQq90SgKnaAUV2mhbYwh8kC7EgXNsVTkCTlIW4/vLprKrFVRmbTJe/MxYBRZqvYbh1 yYjadbkIO/ymeVSQwdAxEWLzVZlsoEkzp4z6JBBRdqR/8yeOp5vQogfxZX47uzR20plF 8I1kEcQiERMTyrMu3cOBaEnSkjaarRgtxDFL/oRicdeAumTFTOsNrNuOQKX675uZsioP h0fW52Q1xUS/xS7lVt9YZm9pbOW9jiLYJwRUKmU8KPmLgTuQrqs1ULYQPVVt7KVrIMHw nDpg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3+IsqlX9Ec7QPyt7+a345PjNSdHxoVUrAs9B3XxM+No=; b=XU1VBwQNangwFn4aOsnRmvq6M/DxctHtLpPDM1XDCDD3Adfe58eRt7yoN/jILc7ALd vcq974WXicnMil7HLdZKNDhTGabY5SA4wBGmmCVQd1b8HswlHBh7SxHfAF4CLxo3k5L8 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But the software is sophisticated enough to know that if the call is answered (even by your voicemail) that they've found a live number. That number will show up on the list they generate after the campaign and be sold to other companies (who will of course sell it on again). No number is safe anymore. -Paul On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:21 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > >Somehow my unlisted number got exposed > > Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 08:24:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63042588EC3 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B279258903B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:43:17 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:43:16 -0400 03/27/2019 09:43:22 AM, Serialize complete at 03/27/2019 09:43:22 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2899127519387182024== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004B5E31852583CA_= OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed. Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine either.) So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing. Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)? Thanks in advance. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004B5E31852583CA_= OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed.  Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine either.)

So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing.  Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)?

Thanks in advance.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004B5E31852583CA_=-- --===============2899127519387182024== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============2899127519387182024==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 09:48:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D5A258941F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B7625899C0 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:30:30 -0600 (MDT) bh=oICvFWXAtPbnvJ42SS/GMvrk9ilmkNJxVdP51j+GT34=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=Cl/q6LrEdnwhFQJc2ahjiqBI2r16lTgnUNPAhK/py2N/hsPOhP90+KFWLu/nLKUIy yJmUoPV90eQEzoEFaIA8LUQlvNWfTOOVTvNXaTlLwwBb19+7jq1t5IQyAGR5yNpmQl gLvO1w6PaapTevPtPaT6A1Yapc3ok6NdumBA6hAOwkddHOdpT7suFDhAwB0Lrge9yg 6o1hJDt4WWel5RstMOLCXIMoekfkOGcYzemeskmeUOqhQsq1CeXspWniK0hbjmQxaa 6bnzLmw/1beLLbby3HQr90fVmdt693qSdO1LdhgvqEaKjtkti5B2aE4H8tj0CeTZhv VyeN0T+VvEvIw== Authentication-Results: mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=cZ-tn_SRRYiswbyHleUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xxPr-7DXYzH6C2dolsEA:9 a=0A54BG49BARL3XAX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:55520] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 07/01-11061-4179B9C5; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:30:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:29:17 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com,Shop-talk@autox.team.net mail.megageek.com> References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed From: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9047406987062632602== boundary="=====================_72764731==.ALT" --=====================_72764731==.ALT I am sure that there are truck repair garages around that can handle that vehicle. It is a monster compared to a car, but not really a monster in the spectrum of commercial vehicles. If you really want to invest the money and space for a huge lift just because you think it would be cool, then I get it and I'll let you get back to your research. If your goal is just to service your one truck, I think it is hard to justify a lift. -Steve T. At 09:43 AM 3/27/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: >OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and >a dump bed. Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their >lift (I can't fit it on mine either.) > >So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this >thing. Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large >truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)? > >Thanks in advance. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_72764731==.ALT I am sure that there are truck repair garages around that can handle that vehicle.  It is a monster compared to a car, but not really a monster in the spectrum of commercial vehicles.  If you really want to invest the money and space for a huge lift just because you think it would be cool, then I get it and I'll let you get back to your research.  If your goal is just to service your one truck, I think it is hard to justify a lift. 

-Steve T.

At 09:43 AM 3/27/2019, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed.  Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine either.)

So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing.  Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)?

Thanks in advance.

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Add together the heights of two cars plus > 8-12" additional. (the ramps are 4" - 6" high and you need to raise it > up a few inches to clear the safety latches before you can lower it). > > I have a four post lift. Our garage ceiling is ~ 11' 8" high. With my > small cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) I can raise it up to give a little over 6' > underneath (I am 6' 1" and can walk under without ducking). I doubt I > could do that with an SUV or minivan on top. > > What are your plans for the space above the garage? Can you use scissor > trusses to raise up the ceiling 'cathedral' style without increasing the > wall height?? > > Another thing to plan for with your garage remodel is higher door tracks > and a jack shaft door opener. This helps keep the space available to the > car up on the lift. When we remodeled some years ago my wife would argue we made the entire house taller so I could have a lift in the garage...be it as it may, we've got a little under 11 feet at the front and rear walls, scissor trusses with a 5/12 pitch at the top and 3/12 on the lower chords which gives me just about 13 feet at the peak (which runs across the garage.) I know folks with Miatas and MGBs get away with lower ceilings but I consider my setup to be about the minimum fully-useful arrangement. The lights in the garage are flush-mount 4-foot troffers (ours were originally flourescent, now have LED tubes, there are better/more compact LED designs now), the garage door tracks follow the 3/12 line of the ceiling up as closely as possible, we have the screw-drive garage door opener mounted vertically on the wall alongside the door track (once again, there are simpler and more compact jackshaft-drive systems available now that were not available 15 years ago), we also put in fire sprinklers when we did the remodel and those are also flush-mounted to the sheetrock. With my Bend-Pak 4-post lift I can get a typical mid-size vehicle (sedan/wagon e.g. Audi S6 Avant) all the way up and still be able to open/close the garage doors (we have a door on the back of the garage too) though the rubber-ducky antenna will hit the roof. I have the roller jack and you can also use jackstands on the ramps, for many jobs you will have to lift the vehicle off the ramps so pay attention to the extra height needed and don't forget to close the hood. We have or have had vehicles that won't fit on the lift due to their width and one ('64 Cortina) where you need to be careful because it's barely wide enough for the ramps). Honda Odysseys and our GL550 are just barely too wide to get on without tearing up the tire sidewalls on the ramp's latch pockets at the ends of the crossbeam; you need to put some wood blocks in front of the latch pockets and drive OVER them. They do offer wider versions, and if I were to do it over again I might go for one of those then make something to deal with very narrow vehicles. Consider, too, the power requirements for the lift and how the lift latches are actuated. I put in 220V for welding all around the garage and shop, and plumbed compressed air into the walls, but I did not at first plumb compressed air to the lift and put in 120V for lift power. Preferable to get a 220V lift pump if you can wire for it. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 10:46:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3632589972 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 10:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C79258934D for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:45:12 -0600 (MDT) References: <07.01.11061.4179B9C5@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:45:02 -0400 03/27/2019 11:45:12 AM, Serialize complete at 03/27/2019 11:45:12 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6168550492065790260== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005683EA852583CA_= Steve writes... >If your goal is just to service your one truck, I think it is hard to justify a lift. Are we all getting that old that we don't want to buy more gear? 8>) Seriously, I do have two duallies now (I may sell one). Plus I have other peoples cars/trucks that I work on. I also been thinking about getting a 4 post lift so I can roll it outside to clean under cars before I work on them. Plus the storage factor would be a plus. But I wanted to see if anyone had any experaince with these and duallies and dump beds on this list. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005683EA852583CA_= Steve writes...
>If your goal is just to service your one truck, I think it is hard to justify a lift. 

Are we all getting that old that we don't want to buy more gear?  8>)

Seriously, I do have two duallies now (I may sell one).  Plus I have other peoples cars/trucks that I work on.
I also been thinking about getting a 4 post lift so I can roll it outside to clean under cars before I work on them.  Plus the storage factor would be a plus.

But I wanted to see if anyone had any experaince with these and duallies and dump beds on this list.


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Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I used to have an old dial-type phone mounted on the wall in the garage, wired into the house phone line. I left it there even after having the house service disconnected. It didn't even have a dial tone! And our old number was quickly reassigned to someone else. But it would still ring every once in a great while. If I answered, it would be some sort of political advertisement recording. My theory is that the political campaign had some kind of deal with the local exchange, to place calls from their switch directly to all connected lines, even those not provisioned with a number. -- Randall > Some of the robo-dialers will just dial through an entire > exchange (i.e. 555-555-0001, 555-555-0002, etc.) and hope for > the best. But the software is sophisticated enough to know > that if the call is answered (even by your voicemail) that > they've found a live number. That number will show up on the > list they generate after the campaign and be sold to other > companies (who will of course sell it on again). 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Bend-Pak makes a 14000 puound lift that would work for your truck, but the minimum distance between the runways on this lift is 38". Some of the smaller vehicles I own have a narrow enough track that they won't easily fit with the runways set full narrow. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:33 AM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a > dump bed. Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I > can't fit it on mine either.) > > So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing. > Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 > superduty with 9' dump bed)? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt?_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --0000000000000085bc05851650e2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:33 AM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed.=C2=A0 Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine either.)

So I was thinking about getting a = 4 post lift to work on this thing.=C2=A0 Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)?

Thanks in advance.


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I left it there even after having the > house service disconnected. It didn't even have a dial tone! And our old > number was quickly reassigned to someone else. > > But it would still ring every once in a great while. If I answered, it > would be some sort of political advertisement recording. > > My theory is that the political campaign had some kind of deal with the > local exchange, to place calls from their switch directly to all connected > lines, even those not provisioned with a number. > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 28 09:42:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860C12589480 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63752589A81 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:06:39 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1553731604; bh=gSJQsPi3o7lud668SpeBlDzpwRNOZoq5keIY wk8jAI4=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=ZY8v8pvJYsfe1evCQqf9A7E13nAgFnRVf RABe2SJwQdWRuKk6VpEKnMiBF2g78bPHBUUtPnBrHLmOGoVKv5BkkA3g9b+h18YHC2c +8W7i8rwsNWnKgH85zp+ZPj3L7jHB6/SYBcj6qfscraH1Q5FtdBw7N15kWU623rloN0 l2MAtw/Is7tBWAHZkimunOAnsb7/nPGzoS0qk8uGm7zsbMD5g1/+6ESBphCU3uEyaQy hwRvSYZN0jkLYcKIcZkhPdUHN8dxbvpVYywvp/J7SyaqiiK5x1oWeN95mfZiSe2yrC7 xR+NSqvsekXEfWHRMhJDx3jiAcaOMPkzAt0plBAOg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=BMatMLVQdQ3IgqZL/oNfVkQvjG/xp3tLMjqpxccurq+8seNM4kFkcWej3uEMuG67PRN7huDAVFtwxI0N+lP+YjlE3d1f4ZTEzdqaJc4eDIoHmuKOG9EmbZWDnH6cRcE4RHrU8mZIGuwJuwucVR9KghjW2X7CqvElGGqbvkHHytNmv00e6ukNChebnqxu8ooUmZP8125R/pHG3P5PvKWFQtUEPC5xZ8ObuxTAUSv2RYchTEEJfW/OP5UZbpJ7JHLO/PE3FrPWJBswRLgef8HJo04/QVXL4eqnpihM+WDpjegUF9Iw4ipZI+youT0AZ4ccSuHwtj8L4K5lp6VCVrQeig==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1h9IYz-0000G4-Ka; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:06:33 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:06:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3813067974750863255== boundary="------------001386FCAADDEDBC257FC4DF" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------001386FCAADDEDBC257FC4DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric - With all your projects, have you considered a walk-in pit?  I believe a typical hole in the ground pit is now frowned upon, but if you have part of your property with enough slope, you could make it so you drive in at the top and walk in at the bottom.  If there is no actual pit, there should be no danger of fluid or gas buildup. They you could drive anything you have over it. Brian On 3/27/2019 6:43 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a > dump bed.  Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift > (I can't fit it on mine either.) > > So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing. >  Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck > (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------001386FCAADDEDBC257FC4DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric - With all your projects, have you considered a walk-in pit?  I believe a typical hole in the ground pit is now frowned upon, but if you have part of your property with enough slope, you could make it so you drive in at the top and walk in at the bottom.  If there is no actual pit, there should be no danger of fluid or gas buildup.

They you could drive anything you have over it.

Brian

On 3/27/2019 6:43 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed.  Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine either.)

So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing.  Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)?

Thanks in advance.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? 
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk

--------------001386FCAADDEDBC257FC4DF-- --===============3813067974750863255== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3813067974750863255==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 28 11:23:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E325895B1 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52184258799B for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.229]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 9UmjhqoJzXWoX9VvOhEBrx; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:22:34 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1553782954; bh=AILFmQiKmfCvusxNmxef1JryonNqiYU+G0+dJMzmYdM=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WOiwPIlbLQ+/tCECs2EddmuyKMCNE2+yx0GPGr1e2Fs32R97YsLCapFpGZnxOcTCm bUOq0QpX3j9GaJK38dWmRs8g3Z1SW71YH1V/h3Hv0IzDIKRN2fZl7atrF4CCFckbiz eJU39DaxD6NPYL3bD+MvsJCYvO3C183zR4dUyqkexsF16I1x6oyM+HJ2dyN7HAQAag 6gkmrKa05x6lvO8uJyhQ+NjC9CQ2v8pzj4pCzcRKt29MaLcYuhzQLUodra5+dQPOo9 H/JBgDDmMszGOduuCFgEZEHcVOenvXksmcPGCGLRIx/Ol0FZtDghAWKAoGSjhsaGKV VkLj2K+I5JdjQ== Received: from [10.0.0.150] ([73.41.144.138]) by resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 9VvNh8zQe5czH9VvOhYCX1; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:22:34 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20190327072104.3A1D6258994B@autox.team.net> <2630ED369BCC464DB184F2E2AD436861@RYPC> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:22:33 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Right on cue: https://www.cnet.com/news/ftc-fines-operations-responsible-for-billions-of-illegal-robocalls/#ftag=CAD-06-10abe3d On 3/27/2019 9:28 AM, Randall via Shop-talk wrote: > In some cases, even a phone number is not required! > > I used to have an old dial-type phone mounted on the wall in the garage, > wired into the house phone line. I left it there even after having the > house service disconnected. It didn't even have a dial tone! And our old > number was quickly reassigned to someone else. > > But it would still ring every once in a great while. If I answered, it > would be some sort of political advertisement recording. > > My theory is that the political campaign had some kind of deal with the > local exchange, to place calls from their switch directly to all connected > lines, even those not provisioned with a number. > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 28 11:40:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC442589680 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:40:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01402588C02 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 9V2ohxBABzkcP9WE8hOGoh; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:41:56 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1553784116; bh=plxVrovvo5nMCZ41kXhauzF1JmG2ByEoJYb50mNX8yc=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=euhTc2X5NIq3izerxJV2u3g1nZe7eBQqKhNgtOqitHhziGT3+kZLZMbZFr5q2iMnq Dwu9XZaZ2vYJlJPMjWKC+ZewaBKf4jDYnqXxkIajQ8FiSUaDm1e969w2BmbH0hteC4 1Wm2K0qbdia2u04/j4+hXykZYinp1Dqt2PfFr9ri3R1bgp0TdAUVJ5wq7dhIeI8fkd ud/fTA5UwFUfmbI7sEM1LVsnd2c5gGAEZK56Rje6wmQnCxlvsa6kR9bINrBFeiirgz +c4+0gzB2U9B3ksocGnOCG0Y1kF0i90zqNHu5vzOhYwx4FKNpFYxgm3u/XwGySn2xE dfuZYU4G2DCCw== Received: from [10.0.0.150] ([73.41.144.138]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 9WE7hR5FvsilZ9WE7hWoJz; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:41:56 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20190327072104.3A1D6258994B@autox.team.net> <2630ED369BCC464DB184F2E2AD436861@RYPC> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:41:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] annoying calls From: Bob Spidell via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When it rains ... https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/business/att-verizon-robocalls/index.html On 3/27/2019 9:28 AM, Randall via Shop-talk wrote: > In some cases, even a phone number is not required! > > I used to have an old dial-type phone mounted on the wall in the garage, > wired into the house phone line. I left it there even after having the > house service disconnected. It didn't even have a dial tone! And our old > number was quickly reassigned to someone else. > > But it would still ring every once in a great while. If I answered, it > would be some sort of political advertisement recording. > > My theory is that the political campaign had some kind of deal with the > local exchange, to place calls from their switch directly to all connected > lines, even those not provisioned with a number. > > -- Randall > > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 00:43:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DE82589B88 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281601.me.com (ms11p00im-qufo17281601.me.com [17.58.38.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B49525893FE for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 06:45:14 -0600 (MDT) s=04042017; t=1552913101; bh=JjcKakXgPc3T3u7IJFjTFLV8MG7BJ1BSxVz6S8BdmKY=; 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It also would give you enough headroom to stack a C7 over a CTS, for example, if you wanted to store one car above the other. It would not be high enough to stack two F150's, though. ;-) On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:40 PM Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten foot ceilings in two garages. Ten fe= et is the > minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, in my opinion. I would stack two cars (typic= ally a > Lotus Elise or a Miata over a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=99t t= erribly > for that but I always wished I could go higher, especially when I did any > work on a car. > > The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80= =9D in the > ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go. They=E2=80=99ll make = a huge > difference. > > It goes without saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage= door to > he as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot = at > the first house. > > A nice jackshaft opener (I had lift masters both times) is nice to clean > up the ceiling but not necessary if you have a two car door because that > track will hang down next to the vehicle and not over it. > > -Paul > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > At long last my dream of a 4-post lift may come true later this year or > next. We=E2=80=99re working on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage an= d build a > bigger one, with a basement and a higher ceiling. Right now the garage > is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 ceiling. > > > > We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep. Can=E2=80=99t go wid= er garage > due to the house=E2=80=99s location on the lot. Can=E2=80=99t go longer = without further > cutting off the kitchen sink window view or pushing the front of the gara= ge > forward of the house, neither of which sound good to us. > > > > 10 feet seems to be the limit of wall height to look compatible with the > rest of the house and match the lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on t= he > house. > > > > I think that=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do= need to > consider a future buyer as well. Will 10 feet will be adequate for a lif= t > to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars? > > > > Advice ?? > > > > Thanks in advance !! > > > > Karl > > > > > > > > "Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire." (I came, I saw, I want to go home.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@live.com > > --000000000000c7b21d05850a9fc9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, 10' will be fine for most any residential lift (e= .g., Backyard Buddy, Worth, etc.). It also would give you enough headroom t= o stack a C7 over a CTS, for example, if you wanted to store one car above = the other.=C2=A0

It would not be high enough to stack tw= o F150's, though.=C2=A0 ;-)

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:40 PM Paul P= arkanzky via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve had this setup with ten = foot ceilings in two garages. Ten feet is the minimum you=E2=80=99ll want, = in my opinion. I would stack two cars (typically a Lotus Elise or a Miata o= ver a TDI Golf or e90 M3) and it wasn=E2=80=99t terribly for that but I alw= ays wished I could go higher, especially when I did any work on a car.
=
The solution to this is scissor trusses and little =E2=80=9C= windows=E2=80=9D in the ceiling where the greenhouse of a vehicle would go.= They=E2=80=99ll make a huge difference.

It goes w= ithout saying that you=E2=80=99ll want the tracks for the garage door to he= as high as possible. My door wore the paper off the drywall in a spot at t= he first house.

A nice jackshaft opener (I had lif= t masters both times) is nice to clean up the ceiling but not necessary if = you have a two car door because that track will hang down next to the vehic= le and not over it.

-Paul

On Mar 26, 2019, at = 3:35 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

At long last my dream of = a 4-post lift may come true later this year or next.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re wo= rking on plans to demolish our 1-1/2 car garage and build a bigger on= e, with a basement and a= higher ceiling.=C2=A0 Right now the garage is 18 x 24 with an 8=E2=80=99 c= eiling.

=C2=A0

We can go a bit over 21 feet wide and 28 feet deep.=C2= =A0 Can=E2=80=99t go wider garage due to the house=E2=80=99s location on th= e lot.=C2=A0 Can=E2=80=99t go longer without further cutting off the kitche= n sink window view or pushing the front of the garage forward of the house,= neither of which sound good to us.

=C2=A0

10 feet seems to be the lim= it of wall height to look compatible with the rest of the house and match t= he lower-level (porch, etc.) roof lines on the house.

=C2=A0

I think t= hat=E2=80=99ll give enough ceiling height for my needs, but I do need to co= nsider a future buyer as well.=C2=A0 Will 10 feet will be adequate for a li= ft to allow 2-level car storage for at least typical cars?

=C2=A0

Advi= ce ??

=C2=A0

Thanks in advance !!

=C2=A0

Karl

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

"Veni, Vidi, Volo in Domum Redire."=C2=A0 (I came, I = saw, I want to go home.)

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--000000000000c7b21d05850a9fc9-- --===============8950965898622851104== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8950965898622851104==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 02:31:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1F32589EDA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 02:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D1E2580039 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id 9e73hMZZNcLXz9e74hp7Yz; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:07:10 -0700 To: "Brian Kemp" , , References: <95c89c3e-85e6-416f-4cf9-86db0d8dfafd@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:07:10 -0700 Importance: Normal o5vWXxxe+HqOy3fEitkQX1Y3gE+QzHT4p4TItISYBZ7NSr5qKGxtt24dRQQlppO/perUYhkEL0gvbR/WEWfNzTHEdI+DrG2fz8WrICzZvwj1pNAkbQtatKE7 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2914103045083916807== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01D4E580.4CDDDCD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D4E580.4CDDDCD0 charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A number of years ago I considered a pit for a proposed new = construction. I found a company (don=92t recall the name, but a good =91puter search = should=20 yield the informatin) based in England that makes a pre-fab fiberglass = unit=20 for a garage pit. Very nicely designed unit, with lighting, steps, = sliding top=20 units, etc. Just a suggestion for something to look at. Steve Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 5:06 PM To: eric@megageek.com ; Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump bed Eric - With all your projects, have you considered a walk-in pit? I = believe a typical hole in the ground pit is now frowned upon, but if you = have part of your property with enough slope, you could make it so you = drive in at the top and walk in at the bottom. If there is no actual = pit, there should be no danger of fluid or gas buildup. They you could drive anything you have over it. Brian On 3/27/2019 6:43 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: OK, so now I have this monster of a truck with a dually rear end and a = dump bed. Most of the garages in the areas can't fit it on their lift = (I can't fit it on mine either.)=20 So I was thinking about getting a 4 post lift to work on this thing. = Anyone have any experiences with one that will lift a large truck (F350 = superduty with 9' dump bed)?=20 Thanks in advance.=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson=20 -Who is John Galt?=20 =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D4E580.4CDDDCD0 charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A number of years ago I considered a pit for a proposed new=20 construction.
I found a company (don=92t recall the name, but a good =91puter = search should=20
yield the informatin) based in England that makes a pre-fab = fiberglass unit=20
for a garage pit.  Very nicely designed unit, with lighting, = steps,=20 sliding top
units, etc.  Just a suggestion for something to look at.
Steve
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA
www.leatherplates.com


From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 5:06 PM
To: eric@megageek.com ; Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4 post lift for dually with dump=20 bed
Eric=20 - With all your projects, have you considered a walk-in pit?  I = believe a=20 typical hole in the ground pit is now frowned upon, but if you have part = of your=20 property with enough slope, you could make it so you drive in at the top = and=20 walk in at the bottom.  If there is no actual pit, there should be = no=20 danger of fluid or gas buildup.

They you could drive anything you = have=20 over it.

Brian

On 3/27/2019 6:43 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk = wrote:
OK, so now I have this = monster of a=20 truck with a dually rear end and a dump bed.  Most of the garages = in the=20 areas can't fit it on their lift (I can't fit it on mine = either.)=20

So I was thinking about = getting a 4 post=20 lift to work on this thing.  Anyone have any experiences with one = that=20 will lift a large truck (F350 superduty with 9' dump bed)?=20

Thanks in advance. =


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 = Baud=20 Modem.
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