Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb

From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:10:19 -0500 02/15/2019 04:10:30 AM, Serialize complete at 02/15/2019 04:10:30 AM

This is a multipart message in MIME format.
--===============6098181582142734339==

This is a multipart message in MIME format.
--=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_=

I don't have any other answers without seeing the set up, but if you are 
close to me (western NJ) I have plenty of ladders you can borrow to reach 
that.  I also have a crane with a man-bucket, but it isn't currently 
registered for road use.

Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their 
covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel 
on them without them slipping off the roof.

Note, I would also consider getting an estimate from a gutter or roof guy. 
 They have the ladders and are comfortable with the heights. 

Man, am I getting old, I just tried to talk you out of buying new tools 
and hiring someone else to do the job.

FORGET ALL THAT!!!

Buy a drone, or four and tie them together and to a chair and use that to 
lift you up to the lights!   8>)

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
-Who is John Galt?
--=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_=

<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I don't have any other answers without
seeing the set up, but if you are close to me (western NJ) I have plenty
of ladders you can borrow to reach that. &nbsp;I also have a crane with
a man-bucket, but it isn't currently registered for road use.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Other than that, I know roofers often
take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place
on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the
roof.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Note, I would also consider getting
an estimate from a gutter or roof guy. &nbsp;They have the ladders and
are comfortable with the heights. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Man, am I getting old, I just tried
to talk you out of buying new tools and hiring someone else to do the job.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">FORGET ALL THAT!!!<br>
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Buy a drone, or four and tie them together
and to a chair and use that to lift you up to the lights! &nbsp; 8&gt;)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
--=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_=--

--===============6098181582142734339==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

[email-masked]
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk

--===============6098181582142734339==--

---

From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 05:14:46 -0500

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.

Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is
not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane.  Would not recommend.

If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a
scaffold, or pay someone else to do it.
_______________________________________________

[email-masked]

---

From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:53:50 -0500

Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current ladder?  Something like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.96
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
> 

[email-masked]

---

From: jamesf--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:17:52 -0500

Seconded in the "pay someone else" camp. Sometimes the right tool is 
another person.

Or, use the money you'd have paid someone, or used to buy a ladder, to 
install new lights within reach.

jim

On 2019-02-15 05:14, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote:
>> covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can 
>> sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.
> 
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]

[email-masked]

---

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:55:18 -0600

--===============4193692185879103648==

--000000000000c4e96d0581ef2001

The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into the
enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <
[email-masked] wrote:

> Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like
> the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with
> your current ladder?  Something like this:
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521
>
>
> covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on
> them without them slipping off the roof.
> >
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
> >
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
>

--000000000000c4e96d0581ef2001
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"auto">The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can&#39;t quite se=
e how to get into the enclosure, so I&#39;ll have to be within a foot to fi=
gure it out.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On =
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sh=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting =
scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you considered using=
 an extension pole with your current ladder?=C2=A0 Something like this: <a =
href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bu=
lb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electri=
c-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521=
</a><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th=
eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee=
l on them without them slipping off the roof.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Working in commercial construction, I&#39;d like to point out that thi=
s is<br>
&gt; not only a likely OSHA violation, it&#39;s insane.=C2=A0 Would not rec=
ommend.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If they were my lights, I&#39;d either rent a cherry picker, rent a<br=
&gt; scaffold, or pay someone else to do it.<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
&gt; Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96<br>
&gt; Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-t=
alk</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/s=
hop-talk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]</a=
><br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</=
a><br>
<br>
alk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal=
@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--000000000000c4e96d0581ef2001--

--===============4193692185879103648==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============4193692185879103648==--

---

From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:46:34 -0500

--===============5516702997830484282==
	boundary="Apple-Mail=_9122E436-3E0F-4757-8CE5-AAF3C6867F06"

--Apple-Mail=_9122E436-3E0F-4757-8CE5-AAF3C6867F06
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=us-ascii

Oh well.  That takes that option off the table.  One other =
consideration: I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder =
sitting on top of commercial scaffolding.  It was a nerve-wracking =
experience, as the ladder never felt secure.  As others have said, this =
might be a job for a professional.

> On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into =
the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out.=20
>=20
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk =
> Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds =
like the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension =
pole with your current ladder?  Something like this: =
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Chan=
ger-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 =
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Cha=
nger-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521>
>=20
>=20
> > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk =
> >=20
> >>=20
> >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of =
their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can =
sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.
> >=20
> > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this =
is
> >=20
> >=20
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
<http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk>
> >=20
> > Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked] =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]>
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html =
<http://www.team.net/donate.html>
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
<http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk>
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.=
com =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail=
.com>
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Unsubscribe/Manage: =
>=20

--Apple-Mail=_9122E436-3E0F-4757-8CE5-AAF3C6867F06
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
	charset=us-ascii

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Oh =
well. &nbsp;That takes that option off the table. &nbsp;One other =
consideration: I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder =
sitting on top of commercial scaffolding. &nbsp;It was a nerve-wracking =
experience, as the ladder never felt secure. &nbsp;As others have said, =
this might be a job for a professional.<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to =
get into the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it =
out.&nbsp;</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Given the need to =
change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right move =
to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current =
ladder?&nbsp; Something like this: <a =
href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-B=
ulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521" rel=3D"noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Ligh=
t-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521</a><br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
&gt; On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk<br class=3D"">
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of =
their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can =
sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this =
is<br class=3D"">
&gt; not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane.&nbsp; Would not =
recommend.<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a<br =
class=3D"">
&gt; scaffold, or pay someone else to do it.<br class=3D"">
&gt; _______________________________________________<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">
&gt; Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel=3D"noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">
&gt; Suggested annual donation&nbsp; $12.96<br class=3D"">
&gt; Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; Unsubscribe/Manage: <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]=
om" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmai=
l.com</a><br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class=3D"">
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.persona=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.pers=
[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote></div>
_______________________________________________<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Donate: =
&nbsp;$12.96<br class=3D"">Archive: =
http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Unsubscribe/Manage: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_9122E436-3E0F-4757-8CE5-AAF3C6867F06--

--===============5516702997830484282==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============5516702997830484282==--

---

From: Berry Kercheval via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:36:03 -0800

I have a similar problem with the ceiling fan/light in my 21-foot 
A-frame great room.  It's working for now, but it won't last forever, so 
I'm following this thread with interest.

On 2/15/19 5:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
> The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into 
> the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out.
>

[email-masked]

Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]

---

From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:55:00 -0500

--===============8196976150958193504==

--0000000000003b601d0581f27ad4

Rent a cherry picker, evaluate the fixture, and switch it over to LED. Of
course, as the others have suggested, do the lights need to be this high?

I can't believe that multiple folks on this list have suggested hiring this
out! Watch out - Mark B might give you the boot!

Maybe you can hire a chimney company to clean your chimney, and while
they're there, you can have them look at your fixtures...

-Peter (who also hires out for lots of stuff)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:33 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Oh well.  That takes that option off the table.  One other consideration:
> I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on top of
> commercial scaffolding.  It was a nerve-wracking experience, as the ladder
> never felt secure.  As others have said, this might be a job for a
> professional.
>
> On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
>

--0000000000003b601d0581f27ad4
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr">Rent a cherry picker, evaluate the fixture, and switch it =
over to LED. Of course, as the others have suggested, do the lights need to=
 be this high?<div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t believe that multiple folks o=
n this list have suggested hiring this out! Watch out - Mark B might give y=
ou the boot!</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe you can hire a chimney company =
to clean your chimney, and while they&#39;re there, you can have them look =
at your fixtures...</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter (who also hires out for=
 lots of stuff)</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:33 PM Jim Stone via Shop-ta=
lk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">Oh well.=C2=A0 That takes that op=
tion off the table.=C2=A0 One other consideration: I recently painted a cat=
hedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on top of commercial scaffolding.=
=C2=A0 It was a nerve-wracking experience, as the ladder never felt secure.=
=C2=A0 As others have said, this might be a job for a professional.<br><div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall=
 via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"gmail-m_822=
9780024985231402Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"auto">The light=
s are in an enclosure, Jim. I can&#39;t quite see how to get into the enclo=
sure, so I&#39;ll have to be within a foot to figure it out.=C2=A0</div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM =
Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Given the need to change the ceiling fan=
, renting scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you consid=
ered using an extension pole with your current ladder?=C2=A0 Something like=
 this: <a href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pol=
e-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521" rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commerci=
al-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12=
/100354521</a><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th=
eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee=
l on them without them slipping off the roof.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Working in commercial construction, I&#39;d like to point out that thi=
s is<br>
&gt; not only a likely OSHA violation, it&#39;s insane.=C2=A0 Would not rec=
ommend.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If they were my lights, I&#39;d either rent a cherry picker, rent a<br=
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a><br>
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</=
a><br>
<br>
alk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal=
@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
_______________________________________________<br><br><a href=3D"mailto:Sh=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>D=
onate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation =C2=A0$12.96<br>=
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: =
<a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/178=
[email-masked]</a><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>___________=
____________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk</a><br>
<br>
alk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://aut=
ox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--0000000000003b601d0581f27ad4--

--===============8196976150958193504==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============8196976150958193504==--

---

From: Steven Trovato via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:31:48 -0500

OK, so I am not convinced that it's the bulbs.  Maybe it 
is.  Obviously I can't tell from here.  But two light fixtures both 
not working make me suspect that there is a switch or breaker or 
something that you don't know about.  For "commercial-esque" 
fixtures, they may be mercury or sodium vapor.  They may not come on 
instantly.  There may also be a photo sensor, so make sure you are 
doing your testing after dark.  It would piss me off to hire someone 
or rent equipment only to find that I didn't have the right switch turned on.

-Steve

At 10:48 PM 2/14/2019, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
>I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it.
>
>New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out 
>over the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs 
>because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why 
>not those too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous 
>owner wouldn't have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question):

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

[email-masked]

---

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:35:03 -0600

--===============0611698271202482684==

--0000000000006fcc100581f58e9b

They're metal halide bulbs. Or at least they look like metal halide bulbs
from the ground and from about eight feet below them, swaying precariously
on the top of a ladder.

It's funny you say that about the switch. I want to swap the bulbs exactly
because I don't know how--or even if--they're switched. There are three
light switches in the house that do nothing as far as I can tell. But when
I bought the house, every single bulb save three (all on the same fixture)
were bad. I spent a an hour screwing with the two breaker boxes *sure*
there was a breaker issue before I tried swapping bulbs. It was just bad
bulbs.

All the breakers at this point are on. The three switches--as far as I can
tell--do not control the lights, but like you said, if they're sensor-ed I
can't tell. I figure if I swap the bulbs then I'll know it's something
else. I've tried flipping the switches at night, and I even ran around in
the back yard once, running from the yard to each of the switches inside
and back as I threw them. I don't see any sensor box.

I suspect the bulbs only because they literally couldn't be bothered to
clean the stove (and all the other bulbs were out). If they can't do that,
there's no way they're climbing up there to swap a bad bulb. But you're
exactly right, it could be something else entirely and I'm out of ideas to
figure out how they come on. My plan was new bulbs and throw switches at
night. If that didn't work...ask you guys.

I spent a few months doing just as Michael suggested--they're just 'gone'
now and there are no lights. I really, really tried. But after a deep
period of soul searching, I don't think I can deal with just accepting that
they don't work now, forever. I'd have to climb up there to remove them in
that instance. And if I'm going up there...might as well just replace the
bulbs.

> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

--0000000000006fcc100581f58e9b
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr">They&#39;re metal halide bulbs. Or at least they look like=
 metal halide bulbs from the ground and from about eight feet below them, s=
waying precariously on the top of a ladder.<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s fun=
ny you say that about the switch. I want to swap the bulbs exactly because =
I don&#39;t know how--or even if--they&#39;re switched. There are three lig=
ht switches in the house that do nothing as far as I can tell. But when I b=
ought the house, every single bulb save three (all on the same fixture) wer=
e bad. I spent a an hour screwing with the two breaker boxes *sure* there w=
as a breaker issue before I tried swapping bulbs. It was just bad bulbs.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>All the breakers at this point are on. The thr=
ee switches--as far as I can tell--do not control the lights, but like you =
said, if they&#39;re sensor-ed I can&#39;t tell. I figure if I swap the bul=
bs then I&#39;ll know it&#39;s something else. I&#39;ve tried flipping the =
switches at night, and I even ran around in the back yard once, running fro=
m the yard to each of the switches inside and back as I threw them. I don&#=
39;t see any sensor box.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect the bulbs only =
because they literally couldn&#39;t be bothered to clean the stove (and all=
 the other bulbs were out). If they can&#39;t do that, there&#39;s no way t=
hey&#39;re climbing up there to swap a bad bulb. But you&#39;re exactly rig=
ht, it could be something else entirely and I&#39;m out of ideas to figure =
out how they come on. My plan was new bulbs and throw switches at night. If=
 that didn&#39;t work...ask you guys.</div><div><br></div><div>I spent a fe=
w months doing just as Michael suggested--they&#39;re just &#39;gone&#39; n=
ow and there are no lights. I really, really tried. But after a deep period=
 of soul searching, I don&#39;t think I can deal with just accepting that t=
hey don&#39;t work now, forever. I&#39;d have to climb up there to remove t=
hem in that instance. And if I&#39;m going up there...might as well just re=
place the bulbs.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:32 PM Steven Trovato &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">OK, so I am n=
ot convinced that it&#39;s the bulbs.=C2=A0 Maybe it <br>
is.=C2=A0 Obviously I can&#39;t tell from here.=C2=A0 But two light fixture=
s both <br>
not working make me suspect that there is a switch or breaker or <br>
something that you don&#39;t know about.=C2=A0 For &quot;commercial-esque&q=
uot; <br>
fixtures, they may be mercury or sodium vapor.=C2=A0 They may not come on <=
br>
instantly.=C2=A0 There may also be a photo sensor, so make sure you are <br=
doing your testing after dark.=C2=A0 It would piss me off to hire someone <=
br>
or rent equipment only to find that I didn&#39;t have the right switch turn=
ed on.<br>
<br>
-Steve<br>
<br>
At 10:48 PM 2/14/2019, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
&gt;I keep thinking there&#39;s a joke in there and I just can&#39;t find i=
t.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out <br>
&gt;over the back yard. They don&#39;t work and I assume it&#39;s the bulbs=
 <br>
&gt;because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why <br>
&gt;not those too? Plus they&#39;re probably expensive (so the previous <br=
&gt;owner wouldn&#39;t have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my q=
uestion):<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.avast.com/antivirus" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--0000000000006fcc100581f58e9b--

--===============0611698271202482684==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============0611698271202482684==--

---

From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:36:45 -0500

--===============6731401179238618505==

--000000000000d0a3380581f2382a

Howdy,

Clearly you just need to put the extension ladder on something.  Would the
bed of a pickup truck get you close enough?

I mean, the pallet did end up on the 2nd level here...

http://pcm.verticals.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/c/Australian-Forklift-Training-234728/images/Forklift-safety-Lifting-people-on-a-pallet-or-the-fork-arms-655645-l.jpg

Mark

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:21 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
>

--000000000000d0a3380581f2382a
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>Clearly you jus=
t need to put the extension ladder on something.=C2=A0 Would the bed of a p=
ickup truck get you close enough?<br><br>I mean, the pallet did end up on t=
he 2nd level here...<br><br><a href=3D"http://pcm.verticals.s3-website-ap-s=
outheast-2.amazonaws.com/c/Australian-Forklift-Training-234728/images/Forkl=
ift-safety-Lifting-people-on-a-pallet-or-the-fork-arms-655645-l.jpg">http:/=
/pcm.verticals.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/c/Australian-Forklif=
t-Training-234728/images/Forklift-safety-Lifting-people-on-a-pallet-or-the-=
fork-arms-655645-l.jpg</a><br><br>Mark</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1=
2:21 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">Oh w=
ell.=C2=A0 That takes that option off the table.=C2=A0 One other considerat=
ion: I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on t=
op of commercial scaffolding.=C2=A0 It was a nerve-wracking experience, as =
the ladder never felt secure.=C2=A0 As others have said, this might be a jo=
b for a professional.<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 15,=
 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/div><br class=3D"gmail-m_-341588945692519393Apple-interchange-newline"><di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can&#39;t quite =
see how to get into the enclosure, so I&#39;ll have to be within a foot to =
figure it out.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">O=
n Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Given the n=
eed to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right mo=
ve to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current=
 ladder?=C2=A0 Something like this: <a href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/p/=
Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-6=
00SDLB12/100354521" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-=
with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521</a><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th=
eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee=
l on them without them slipping off the roof.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Working in commercial construction, I&#39;d like to point out that thi=
s is<br>
&gt; not only a likely OSHA violation, it&#39;s insane.=C2=A0 Would not rec=
ommend.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If they were my lights, I&#39;d either rent a cherry picker, rent a<br=
&gt; <br>
<br>
alk/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.t=
eam.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--000000000000d0a3380581f2382a--

--===============6731401179238618505==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============6731401179238618505==--

---

From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:10:01 -0700

On 2/15/19 10:55 AM, Peter Murray via Shop-talk wrote:
>
> I can't believe that multiple folks on this list have suggested hiring 
> this out! Watch out - Mark B might give you the boot!

Don't worry.  The only purging I've been doing lately is getting rid of 
some old lists that have not seen any traffic in over a year.

Also in the beginning stages of working on moving to a new server.  The 
current machine, a Dell SC1430, has a whopping 4 gigs of memory.  It was 
state of the art back in the day.  But that day was about a dozen years 
ago, might be time to retire the old beast.  It should NOT take many 
hours for a message to go through the server and get sent out to the lists.

Anyone have, say a PowerEdge T640 or similar they are not using?

mjb.

[email-masked]