From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 12:06:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3525F2586362 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 12:06:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C272589642 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:40:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id rneugV6MzSmLNrnevg47i1; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 10:40:22 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 09:40:22 -0800 Importance: Normal abSaD+PV/ywMVijZ00Rn8WuYqbRM7P5pciUP7j2hf/0ujwe3Dn0l0UBD Subject: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3541332939742833082== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01D4BEC9.255B2060" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D4BEC9.255B2060 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m looking to remotely control an existing fan. The fan is currently manually controlled by a=20 normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch. I=E2=80=99m looking=20 for hardware that can replace the existing switch=20 and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)=20 length of time. The new timer hardware would be wirelessly=20 controlled by a remote pressure pad. Here=E2=80=99s the scenario: Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is=20 located) and enters the cat box. The pressure pad would=20 be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the=20 pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would=20 be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing=20 wall mounted gang box. In my case, the entry pad is very near an=20 existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically=20 come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically=20 turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan=20 since it=E2=80=99s already running. Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members? The assembly of=20 everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory=20 shop application is thereby satisfied. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D4BEC9.255B2060 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m looking to remotely control an existing fan.
The fan is currently manually controlled by a
normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.  I=E2=80=99m looking =
for hardware that can replace the existing switch
and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)
length of time.  The new timer hardware would be wirelessly =
controlled by a remote pressure pad.
 
Here=E2=80=99s the scenario:
Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is
located) and enters the cat box.  The pressure pad would =
be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the
pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would
be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing =
wall mounted gang box.  In my case, the entry pad is very near = an=20
existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically =
come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically =
turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the = fan
since it=E2=80=99s already running.
 
Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members?  The assembly of =
everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory =
shop application is thereby satisfied.
Thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leatherplates.com


------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D4BEC9.255B2060-- --===============3541332939742833082== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3541332939742833082==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 13:58:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E612589758 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 13:58:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic315-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374C125896A6 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 12:18:44 -0700 (MST) t=1549567113; bh=GOotMlOY0earXfbnj4hPwTkfx1/yH8DZXWtTVnfhtLE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=WD2i4LKodYpuqvbN8fpkSxxfFCACU8t3QGb6xBmNs7YRCKZN/EHNSixXSsz/Ys/beVwmcuQ2CZx4mW/Yj7+hU5lM0yukR3zr/UK+0RhOo9SpJJ/9HRJL4TJOTpr2KVwECmWOq1kBQTAGlNC7moOncmteaiK1yaxix5L41tTcp4NMb/EN3F+CGGB5z2Q9d5vUd36uQ8yHWQBcF4G7yR1sL1rEAXt4H4cg0X1NRYPENaFP5r/BNidUymn33g3xOh5aSsNj1P/Oy31LmmUXKWS2Cw6m+V+qdeGMzIKpGVjoXDVbg8AZidwvMLaE5d2/Jvqj/7ftLtvvdoE6GtonHa+3+w== xK89ElDWPewGS6zJUMgC6Xw7Cingwag4iN1LKdt4NVPUNFAGp97Q59iGEXVLGcrD3kVtE.t04Y8A ydzD0B8Hvje5Drg3XaAi.iM0HrkH1JTkPCga5a2iVrhGK5fz71MbN7eZDK32hoDGXGwJLW0cpGqx q7EAFAavRQhVn.lzwl4kZ.53juXi6gi8.18S4zDzcKeef8.xkNO8u2HC2juWnoDsdFn8pLhdZEF4 anAbtIE6W1_yjb7L80y41BCS_Yp_e3pg4iQjegquABGJOAKIibe8BWbe7hSZWZxbKpet5I8XKagA qDu1N5KUPpGVwqdXaV5UJU.2CeJSfy5wbgw5mk81.gRwhRgWPDJl0Zio.6lSfcI8jmwX1UlPzYzJ og5zRfFzsHlS7y7rOjisnQ4YuZDyFBVFuIoh475pRrGjqNHIm54.y1ppeXZOCdE2hI8Fbv4Q9Ho1 bvZUfTCtdNNQSVsyXOBkwtUPzwkGKnOaRNKaqdRNdgna4V6gWY8EMqwA57j49hwKfteatzq7NZPe os39YId2ahjH2mgZk72vJGHrwGVJXuHw9YKHGzhVku0M5fIgT_lLyf7NrXv97zARKgdf616EK_rJ PTaC7CZS2xx5rpTrMwAVyDjDmaxm7pRuEHjWR17.2g_1.548LiwTnA6x6lZRxGqgtJ_W8mwbvYdH IupUQ6P.EMCMDH_PLZt4LjkbeZfpl4FMzN7JeGJdbATwEgJV6IGgAf00EMAeAqdoNOZJviGezZ60 _6ln3Jc.iDV9hkkskL4rYXgZUx.3j1MhiSQsQKk.oBg0RigpXgo67x8Obc50mY.X6LJPXbu84WPe l0.qImWYyjo43GQJ94.yz1JHk4GntaDP5ZTP5Y7SWXTAXjtw3Jtjvdy7vLIf6fa1LelhP5q0o1mN 9j0dAc.Qfwu3DNsIBwIZqtYehbT1RfwJozMGsf.meflIpYbV5QmK2uSXfu0xtDfZDonRplXdWyVe 0Q46LaKdhGfCHwzWPCoenw3KhWMfbok2wd4nCGFjExabGRHev1rc60.vSZBzZvGYCxg-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 19:18:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 19:18:14 +0000 (UTC) To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017.ref@mail.yahoo.com> WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/71.0.3578.98 Safari/537.36 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: Obaa via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6653034789426346305== boundary="----=_Part_4797204_1204563394.1549567094016" ------=_Part_4797204_1204563394.1549567094016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in place of the bulb? ------=_Part_4797204_1204563394.1549567094016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in place of the bulb?
------=_Part_4797204_1204563394.1549567094016-- --===============6653034789426346305== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6653034789426346305==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 14:50:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554C125896C5 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:50:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.onyx.syn-alias.com [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2E62587844 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 12:46:16 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1549568770; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=WuNYOAOIgaprwf5jfxYsk50PdhM=; b=MC+9ELT+mP/RHg/VXXHw8PYXxIVEsQuCp40vnUj/gToTUjzadqPj0KiezuZf6N2H bKlJDWlcjdDjalWqxo/GVGN5tZHGm6qwI08Ly8Q14EMyTApZg/c75XjqBrU797O8 Mw/k8BeHre7dpMLsABYanwuW3DqA+zqS8Jyxzrs4QBiTE56KW9ELpdImdeB0x/CF IUAbFn45APFmrn08Tpiy4B20oEN6GUTb5C7HJQdqK1uHKCNo2CfFbl0Q8lky3Tkg OzjeokvJyo3PfgbrK/vjuApqZQr1yp1HKqc81UL+Eg/FZc4rP/tmNZFlxamo1ZQO noqtmTja5/92Jp155+HMJQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=CFTnQlWoA9kA:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=psSTXmbpBR-pIkr1B-MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=PvoDA-765zFrxRnXWo8A:9 a=UK_mRwRdcxP-LjKK:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lsIkP6lG2H4f0j7eDx0G:22 Authentication-Results: smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:11652] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id EB/09-25010-20B8C5C5; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:46:10 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <90414FD31C5E4280B6FAC7E4050A8844@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:46:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3776260381549079911== boundary="------------D8BD4E6E7134F6CFC85C8CE6" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D8BD4E6E7134F6CFC85C8CE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Train the cat to throw a switch? https://youtu.be/lpi19vExbzc Would a motion detector switch work? I put one in a walk-in closet - it simply replaced the standard switch. Enter the closet and the light comes on. The switch is set to keep the light on for a few minutes then turn off the light if no further motion is detected. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 2/7/2019 12:40 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > I’m looking to remotely control an existing fan. > The fan is currently manually controlled by a > normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.  I’m looking > for hardware that can replace the existing switch > and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable) > length of time.  The new timer hardware would be wirelessly > controlled by a remote pressure pad. > Here’s the scenario: > Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is > located) and enters the cat box.  The pressure pad would > be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the > pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would > be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing > wall mounted gang box.  In my case, the entry pad is very near an > existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically > come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically > turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan > since it’s already running. --------------D8BD4E6E7134F6CFC85C8CE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Train the cat to throw a switch?

https://youtu.be/lpi19vExbzc

Would a motion detector switch work? I put one in a walk-in closet - it simply replaced the standard switch. Enter the closet and the light comes on. The switch is set to keep the light on for a few minutes then turn off the light if no further motion is detected.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 2/7/2019 12:40 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote:
I’m looking to remotely control an existing fan.
The fan is currently manually controlled by a
normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.  I’m looking
for hardware that can replace the existing switch
and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)
length of time.  The new timer hardware would be wirelessly
controlled by a remote pressure pad.
 
Here’s the scenario:
Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is
located) and enters the cat box.  The pressure pad would
be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the
pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would
be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing
wall mounted gang box.  In my case, the entry pad is very near an
existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically
come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically
turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan
since it’s already running.
 
--------------D8BD4E6E7134F6CFC85C8CE6-- --===============3776260381549079911== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3776260381549079911==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 15:07:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D3E2589757 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:07:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f44.google.com (mail-lf1-f44.google.com [209.85.167.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C3F258498F for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 12:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lf1-f44.google.com with SMTP id j15so822002lfh.5 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dsiNm6m8G0oB39r7TFjaOlnizGK6pvIB8WEk1b8/hIY=; b=Ky+2hjXRImjh5uktU855lZlg2KtQbam8zFyWvhqkZd0WL9OXiSkIeYHvQwDWVm3HcO uRsQJMKTzmy+16ffrXGOA7aoLCmsd9zaCeWbLx9DKGCogHIj9MfK4CbwtmCKFZxmJRVO FUHDT6OcEorXB+QTkTfIfxwLm3CR5B4VSG1u3SRRNWSPIpZ7DceY15t1Dg7djH650onD 8IEQHYSyNnp48mvo45YmzQX5ES5296pv2t10J+YY4s1VGIU3t1uxosDvLA9kTCoee5DO nOxMlj5IruNmn+D+QjQwmr/rIcftkV0NU65VRZZ2plsQfSIZn9OuoCPaSj6aGX7TO8DE LBTQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dsiNm6m8G0oB39r7TFjaOlnizGK6pvIB8WEk1b8/hIY=; b=soLfAtVFGfLIsQxqO7l+VhJlvs8Nze6CPuUWlfPvfbmeiuDE8hBSoDx9TFrj38vCcl S1qUcB+ueYX1wRmPcTiSNY3xKldCe4qYY+WlYQ+P0kuEk2X/jqB2Yl2BBPaVHLX7FeYD j0vho5mXgGXiqDTyN1GTCsNCAPJfQ7+cTYfYpH6WlsCKs1z9tpmQ+CgVtFhLQaSr+XO6 y83T7PMwwNSbSTwNFImqqpUJ2xGZxvMOiy7xtRFR0MaNwZLanV0bdH+Hcpmomlmsmzkk ujWsNZfBa7a/+FVfzhBx4b/jGYZvZUKcZYDjyNo0q3L8KHcOW9WlqnXiaH9H9xcU83Jx w30g== gSPTUx2QtRmC+qTWAW2RD6d6c4doXgYINipF7YdMNw== Thu, 07 Feb 2019 11:50:58 -0800 (PST) References: <90414FD31C5E4280B6FAC7E4050A8844@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:50:42 -0500 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: Peter Murray via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3577906974899452017== --000000000000480e7305815329f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would probably first consider an occupancy sensor rather than a pressure sensor, but perhaps a wireless motion sensor could trigger a relay, too. -Peter On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:17 PM Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > I=E2=80=99m looking to remotely control an existing fan. > The fan is currently manually controlled by a > normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch. I=E2=80=99m looking > for hardware that can replace the existing switch > and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable) > length of time. The new timer hardware would be wirelessly > controlled by a remote pressure pad. > > Here=E2=80=99s the scenario: > Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is > located) and enters the cat box. The pressure pad would > be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the > pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would > be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing > wall mounted gang box. In my case, the entry pad is very near an > existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically > come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically > turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan > since it=E2=80=99s already running. > > Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members? The assembly of > everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory > shop application is thereby satisfied. > Thanks. > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > www.leatherplates.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000480e7305815329f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would probably first consider an occupancy sensor rather= than a pressure sensor, but perhaps a wireless motion sensor could trigger= a relay, too.

-Peter

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:17 P= M Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m looking to remotely control an existing fan.
The fan is currently manually controlled by a
normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m looking
for hardware that can replace the existing switch
and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)
length of time.=C2=A0 The new timer hardware would be wirelessly
controlled by a remote pressure pad.
=C2=A0
Here=E2=80=99s the scenario:
Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is
located) and enters the cat box.=C2=A0 The pressure pad would
be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the
pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would
be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing
wall mounted gang box.=C2=A0 In my case, the entry pad is very near an= =20
existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically
come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically
turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan <= /div>
since it=E2=80=99s already running.
=C2=A0
Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members?=C2=A0 The assembly of
everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory
shop application is thereby satisfied.
Thanks.
=C2=A0
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leath= erplates.com


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Thu, 7 Feb 2019 21:42:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 21:42:04 +0000 (UTC) To: obaa996@yahoo.com, shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <311380806.18604.1549575724089.ref@mail.yahoo.com> x64; rv:65.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/65.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0027521688568577567== boundary="----=_Part_18603_75688554.1549575724087" ------=_Part_18603_75688554.1549575724087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clever if it will work.=C2=A0 But I've heard that motion sensing switches = are tuned not to respond to small, furry objects (cats, dogs, squirrels, et= c) so you may have to resort to something like a IR beam device.=C2=A0 That= and one of those fancy, programmable timer relays will do the trick. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Obaa via Shop-talk To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2019 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad s= witch How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in = place of the bulb?_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk ------=_Part_18603_75688554.1549575724087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Clever if it will work.  But I've heard that motion sensing switches are tuned not to respond to small, furry objects (cats, dogs, squirrels, etc) so you may have to resort to something like a IR beam device.  That and one of those fancy, programmable timer relays will do the trick.

Dave



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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch

How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in place of the bulb?
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 ------=_Part_18603_75688554.1549575724087-- --===============0027521688568577567== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0027521688568577567==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 16:33:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ED22588C56 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 16:33:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f182.google.com (mail-it1-f182.google.com [209.85.166.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FE82589676 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it1-f182.google.com with SMTP id b5so3833195iti.2 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 13:45:06 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rOzHsA+zHACenk+ywJOKSez/5aHbqvGwF+aGVMbc6LM=; b=Qfe7kwM3zGyLmIUrwLnQxD4GmY6+uxPTJBqoGqMcDq0SqKsqn6e4iMZI1Hgl2/lLnV xgbesQvPpw6bf24ApcLSRbNftVDUyYumEikP7FRP3B5kVeKTYxmhq9Z4b8ykD54mokSP 3yLxv/ofYV2sflBSVSUBO2xx/szR7TjvaI1Hcl/ZlxIWEwrfa7QtEc+iv8Nj08bIIjQJ 9CcPu3MeLUXBCP7z5lgBvmNRZ16Nf2zWaw7KabLTQJ04nyBk+LymRzVbcoGrwZonndKj NX0XBonYQ9ahQJVDw0aWCGd4fPplz+k7gowPW2kT1U52TmjaFg+j55892+OxFvlDsDCt eLvA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rOzHsA+zHACenk+ywJOKSez/5aHbqvGwF+aGVMbc6LM=; b=XCPDhXVycAZVvE49UEXxfgcwkmKetAqoJ3ZTz02hpkx3bs4FPpz7BntK7XkQ+5Ds7P zDHcj3aIRsxqSoZOTCslVfcxoI/UDAliNcMv9NXBCQyoPHQkxf7bU1/WxtxQlJLDGrWn SDOtGUvwJ2wJZ2ty0fOIWI4hmsJ9xd15KDwMXWyDgut6fTmy+IyAbBB7ZLvmZTAnyNEY xix6BMuKx8EXDXcfWZWXsuymZ+zoAolt4IBW+E2urI1dLeQwdcunEwuuNq1YMqaQkc3h L4NASQiWiwh5H3xdpaepXUflfDIzEHyILSjXpk6oVB8n7g3mtAZ+W1f9DkvR9kDYSzSK XgKw== Xw+XiB6oTSNUrznL6P/f8mtRWWbmKazvZqpmHps= Thu, 07 Feb 2019 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) References: <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:44:43 -0600 To: Obaa Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: John Innis via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6734031113942638083== --000000000000cefb30058154c0e2 Wouldn't even need the light part. The make a motion sensor that can replace a wall switch. Like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015G8VLNA/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_TvkxCbMCBJVE7 If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensors that could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L7COUYG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_2xkxCb2055TPW If you are really set on a pressure pad sensor, I'd probably gin something up with an Arduino and a Relay. More work in HW/SW development, but the possibilities are endless. You could log all the cat box activity, send a text after a set number of visits to remind you to scoop the litter.... This has a high potential for feature creep... Gotta run now, off to the shop to start coding.... On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Obaa via Shop-talk wrote: > How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in > place of the bulb? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000cefb30058154c0e2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wouldn't even n= eed the light part.=C2=A0 The make a motion sensor that can replace a wall = switch.=C2=A0 Like this one:

If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensor= s that could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L7COUYG/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U= _2xkxCb2055TPW

If you are really set on a pres= sure pad sensor, I'd probably gin something up with an Arduino and a Re= lay.=C2=A0 More work in HW/SW development, but the possibilities are endles= s.=C2=A0 You could log all the cat box activity, send a text after a set nu= mber of visits to remind you to scoop the litter.... This has a high potent= ial for feature creep...=C2=A0 Gotta run now, off to the shop to start codi= ng....

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You > could add a trigger for disco lights or soothing music too...maybe a > scent dispenser... Check out the Lutron Caseta stuff. Plug-in switches/dimmers and remotes with all kinds of functions. Our house has a big old $30K Lutron Homeworks Interactive lighting control system, basically three or four generations old at this point. Picked up a Hubitat Elevation. My software project for the next few weeks (months...) is to figure out how to make it talk to the big Lutron. They have something for the newer plutocratic Homeworks systems, and it talks to the Caseta stuff beautifully, but not the old creaky pre-Dreadnought versions. Gradually turning our house into a Caseta/Z-wave test lab in addition to the old Lutron. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 18:13:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3B42589438 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 18:13:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D487B2589638 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 17:02:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id rtd1gP22CPPilrtd2gig3c; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 17:02:48 -0700 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 16:02:49 -0800 Importance: Normal OEBQ/AsCCyL9HeNPC0cWN5LMspxobmBXuofVsharszxrjSBsY57iVQjf Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure padswitch From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2039656634713405295== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01D4BEFE.92E09770" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D4BEFE.92E09770 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good stuff, however here=E2=80=99s my objectives: 1. The room fan is currently installed and controlled by a wall switch 2. The pressure pad or motion sensor will be located 15=E2=80=99 away = and 5=E2=80=99=20 lower elevation (floor level) from the wall switch. 3. I do not want to tear into the walls, so there needs to be an RF=20 link between the sensor and the wall switch.=20 4. The sensor (pressure pad or heat/? sensor) could be dc (battery)=20 or could utilize the 110V outlet located 16=E2=80=9D from the cat box = entry point. 5. It would be nice to keep the actual wall switch in operation, but = the=20 new RF switch (with timer) needs to be located at the wall switch = location. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com =20 From: John Innis via Shop-talk=20 Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: Obaa=20 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure = padswitch Wouldn't even need the light part. The make a motion sensor that can = replace a wall switch. Like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015G8VLNA/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_TvkxCbMCBJV= E7 If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensors that = could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats.=20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L7COUYG/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_2xkxCb2055T= PW If you are really set on a pressure pad sensor, I'd probably gin = something up with an Arduino and a Relay. More work in HW/SW = development, but the possibilities are endless. You could log all the = cat box activity, send a text after a set number of visits to remind you = to scoop the litter.... This has a high potential for feature creep... = Gotta run now, off to the shop to start coding.... On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Obaa via Shop-talk = wrote: How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the = fan in place of the bulb? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D4BEFE.92E09770 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good stuff, however here=E2=80=99s my objectives:
1.  The room fan is currently installed and controlled by a = wall=20 switch
2.  The pressure pad or motion sensor will be located = 15=E2=80=99 away and 5=E2=80=99=20
lower elevation (floor level) from the wall switch.
3.  I do not want to tear into the walls, so there needs to be = an RF=20
link between the sensor and the wall switch.
4.  The sensor (pressure pad or heat/? sensor) could be dc = (battery)=20
or could utilize the 110V outlet located 16=E2=80=9D from the cat = box entry=20 point.
5.  It would be nice to keep the actual wall switch in = operation, but=20 the
new RF switch (with timer) needs to be located at the wall switch=20 location.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



 
From: John Innis via Shop-talk
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: Obaa
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote = pressure padswitch
Wouldn't even need the light part.  The make a motion sensor = that can=20 replace a wall switch.  Like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015G8VLNA/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U= _TvkxCbMCBJVE7
 
If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensors = that=20 could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L7COUYG/ref=3Dcm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U= _2xkxCb2055TPW
 
If you are really set on a pressure pad sensor, I'd probably gin = something=20 up with an Arduino and a Relay.  More work in HW/SW development, = but the=20 possibilities are endless.  You could log all the cat box activity, = send a=20 text after a set number of visits to remind you to scoop the litter.... = This has=20 a high potential for feature creep...  Gotta run now, off to the = shop to=20 start coding....
 
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Obaa = via Shop-talk=20 <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an = outlet/the fan=20 in place of the bulb?
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D4BEFE.92E09770-- --===============2039656634713405295== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============2039656634713405295==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 19:23:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12E525893D0 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 19:23:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com (biz177.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.208.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102142589125 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 18:54:17 -0700 (MST) s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+d3FKtTpd1T/GSDZoQk7LAGfm8Hl44iv4tIjRoIRJ3U=; b=PU2e31Q0acpI6T3EaBGzt+cwzS DqpFTIKDnTmg9PAHhM3VMhbXynOYXq0zDdG2xjk4hi0txOnTRgDmRqzNwLbNnyrzjvxhAJgyJuVXB lrxJQrdz6U5gOG9bsQun8w0hIMZcAR6PlqhRInLrZUwBdrOEG3dYXJP+fyu1JdEdVxW4rBS8aVOy1 brHttYjAgZOpazOoorxslMVxdZFEuVevzD3R8JwDs6xESFUOBoA/+O+ZtW8n+xgGvHd9ti65Ud3O7 iQK3X7WkbAfgeMSQlEVwS37lUgX+mcCOxIFlIUFuK1wFbgKkgSPTGb87IqeroxcBZLaeIgc7QPId5 Av5zQA2A==; Received: from [142.179.85.19] (port=42032 helo=ranger.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1grvMa-0079Mp-SU for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 17:54:12 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <90414FD31C5E4280B6FAC7E4050A8844@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 17:53:55 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 Content-Language: en-MW please include it with any abuse report shop@dillen.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure pad switch From: Steve Dillen via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6312307683382926698== boundary="------------C7695906076BD938B24D7118" Content-Language: en-MW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C7695906076BD938B24D7118 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I went with Samsung's "smartthings" for automation.  I have it tied into IFTTT (www.ifttt.com) for some notification/automation, but in short: I have a motion sensor in my shop (battery powered) which has automation tied to it such that motion causes a outlet control to turn on for 60 minutes.  No motion for 60 minutes causes outlet to turn off which shuts off lighting, the stereo and such things as cordless battery chargers.  I have another room with a door contact (magnet, battery powered) that is automated to turn on a light bulb (smart-bulb from Ikea).  Bulb turns off as door is closed or when it has been on for 10 minutes (in case door is left open).  All in, I may have spent $250 on parts and my phone tells me when things happen.  Smartthing outlet looks like a "wall wart". I have been finding that my shop light gets triggered when my dog (sort of dog...more like hamster that barks) runs through the shop...and I suspect it has been triggering when small woodland creatures run through as well, so cat sized creatures should not be an issue to trigger.  The motion sensor is about 2" square and runs on a button cell, 4 months so far and is now at 30% battery life remaining. Steve Dillen On 2019-02-07 9:40 a.m., Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > I’m looking to remotely control an existing fan. > The fan is currently manually controlled by a > normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.  I’m looking > for hardware that can replace the existing switch > and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable) > length of time.  The new timer hardware would be wirelessly > controlled by a remote pressure pad. > Here’s the scenario: > Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is > located) and enters the cat box.  The pressure pad would > be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the > pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would > be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing > wall mounted gang box.  In my case, the entry pad is very near an > existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically > come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically > turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan > since it’s already running. > Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members?  The assembly of > everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory > shop application is thereby satisfied. > Thanks. > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > www.leatherplates.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop@dillen.ca > --------------C7695906076BD938B24D7118 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I went with Samsung's "smartthings" for automation.  I have it tied into IFTTT (www.ifttt.com) for some notification/automation, but in short:

I have a motion sensor in my shop (battery powered) which has automation tied to it such that motion causes a outlet control to turn on for 60 minutes.  No motion for 60 minutes causes outlet to turn off which shuts off lighting, the stereo and such things as cordless battery chargers.  I have another room with a door contact (magnet, battery powered) that is automated to turn on a light bulb (smart-bulb from Ikea).  Bulb turns off as door is closed or when it has been on for 10 minutes (in case door is left open).  All in, I may have spent $250 on parts and my phone tells me when things happen.  Smartthing outlet looks like a "wall wart". 

I have been finding that my shop light gets triggered when my dog (sort of dog...more like hamster that barks) runs through the shop...and I suspect it has been triggering when small woodland creatures run through as well, so cat sized creatures should not be an issue to trigger.  The motion sensor is about 2" square and runs on a button cell, 4 months so far and is now at 30% battery life remaining.

Steve Dillen

On 2019-02-07 9:40 a.m., Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote:
I’m looking to remotely control an existing fan.
The fan is currently manually controlled by a
normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.  I’m looking
for hardware that can replace the existing switch
and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)
length of time.  The new timer hardware would be wirelessly
controlled by a remote pressure pad.
 
Here’s the scenario:
Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is
located) and enters the cat box.  The pressure pad would
be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the
pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would
be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing
wall mounted gang box.  In my case, the entry pad is very near an
existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically
come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically
turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan
since it’s already running.
 
Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members?  The assembly of
everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory
shop application is thereby satisfied.
Thanks.
 
Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



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--------------C7695906076BD938B24D7118-- --===============6312307683382926698== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6312307683382926698==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 19:42:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D14F258947B for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 19:42:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com (biz177.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.208.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369B62588AA9 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 18:56:47 -0700 (MST) s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=yzte7oXgAmZECfz1T551BdZ2sbtSFTNKisMYeprUVqA=; b=OOlYTOnf2BrK0Q/j/b0aAH7Ss/ o0JGO8PK1ct7XxEuK+XxMk5bQAdU6dUVSOTC9FngSDq8aGKGo+c9YrDAjHzbUa1M3am/kucxP09MA eOusxVvZ6zHIFsqQ+zGqqqPqE1vy/ZEqUwNud8O5TJ2QDTzUbo5iBIqk6zKIzfcDnFEB9asCPnYdD PeVC0jS0vU+8YIRfPQVtQZOzBaqtVuuQoamSkze+aUirJIjZ1PIkw7MAcuInDXJHFxlaZ2/iGo2Zd U3mIMVUiCnYqIkcrxJiWVAm+UiMv6HazWaQDjLXm9293XYwV79NY86lh6Yc8NFCU3LtwLTpzmNbcd ipWKgqPA==; Received: from [142.179.85.19] (port=42068 helo=ranger.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1grvP1-007EBy-B8 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 17:56:36 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1280793236.4797205.1549567094017@mail.yahoo.com> <6979E26276804522A114CF9E60FBF85F@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 17:56:26 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 Content-Language: en-MW please include it with any abuse report shop@dillen.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure padswitch From: Steve Dillen via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4165416536758469791== boundary="------------BC8C9191CC625A94DB9F128E" Content-Language: en-MW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BC8C9191CC625A94DB9F128E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Additional thought...the smartthings hub ties into "zwave" devices which include a bunch of things...including smart light switches, door locks, etc.  Some parts are kind of pricey for what they are, but the automation is easy to deal with and is kind of cool from a geek perspective. Steve On 2019-02-07 4:02 p.m., Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > Good stuff, however here’s my objectives: > 1.  The room fan is currently installed and controlled by a wall switch > 2.  The pressure pad or motion sensor will be located 15’ away and 5’ > lower elevation (floor level) from the wall switch. > 3.  I do not want to tear into the walls, so there needs to be an RF > link between the sensor and the wall switch. > 4.  The sensor (pressure pad or heat/? sensor) could be dc (battery) > or could utilize the 110V outlet located 16” from the cat box entry point. > 5.  It would be nice to keep the actual wall switch in operation, but the > new RF switch (with timer) needs to be located at the wall switch > location. > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > www.leatherplates.com > > > > *From:* John Innis via Shop-talk > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:44 PM > *To:* Obaa > *Cc:* shop-talk@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote > pressure padswitch > Wouldn't even need the light part.  The make a motion sensor that can > replace a wall switch. Like this one: > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015G8VLNA/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_TvkxCbMCBJVE7 > If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensors that > could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L7COUYG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_2xkxCb2055TPW > If you are really set on a pressure pad sensor, I'd probably gin > something up with an Arduino and a Relay.  More work in HW/SW > development, but the possibilities are endless.  You could log all the > cat box activity, send a text after a set number of visits to remind > you to scoop the litter.... This has a high potential for feature > creep... Gotta run now, off to the shop to start coding.... > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Obaa via Shop-talk > wrote: > > How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an > outlet/the fan in place of the bulb? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you   = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown  = > ================================= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop@dillen.ca > --------------BC8C9191CC625A94DB9F128E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Additional thought...the smartthings hub ties into "zwave" devices which include a bunch of things...including smart light switches, door locks, etc.  Some parts are kind of pricey for what they are, but the automation is easy to deal with and is kind of cool from a geek perspective.

Steve

On 2019-02-07 4:02 p.m., Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote:
Good stuff, however here’s my objectives:
1.  The room fan is currently installed and controlled by a wall switch
2.  The pressure pad or motion sensor will be located 15’ away and 5’
lower elevation (floor level) from the wall switch.
3.  I do not want to tear into the walls, so there needs to be an RF
link between the sensor and the wall switch.
4.  The sensor (pressure pad or heat/? sensor) could be dc (battery)
or could utilize the 110V outlet located 16” from the cat box entry point.
5.  It would be nice to keep the actual wall switch in operation, but the
new RF switch (with timer) needs to be located at the wall switch location.
 
Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com



 
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: Obaa
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking to automate fan with remote pressure padswitch
Wouldn't even need the light part.  The make a motion sensor that can replace a wall switch.  Like this one:
 
If that doesn't work for you there are stand alone motion sensors that could be placed near the cat pan to only detect cats.
 
If you are really set on a pressure pad sensor, I'd probably gin something up with an Arduino and a Relay.  More work in HW/SW development, but the possibilities are endless.  You could log all the cat box activity, send a text after a set number of visits to remind you to scoop the litter.... This has a high potential for feature creep...  Gotta run now, off to the shop to start coding....
 
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:07 PM Obaa via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
How about taking a motion sensitive light, and wiring an outlet/the fan in place of the bulb?
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Howdy,

Don't forget to also have it= trigger a gate that comes down to block the door so that the cat doesn'= ;t just immediately run off when its startled by a fan turning on...
:-)

Mark

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:05 PM Steve Hammatt, Mount V= ernon WA USA via Shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m looking to remotely control an existing fan.
The fan is currently manually controlled by a
normal 110V 15A wall on-off switch.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m looking
for hardware that can replace the existing switch
and operate the fan for a pre-set (hopefully adjustable)
length of time.=C2=A0 The new timer hardware would be wirelessly
controlled by a remote pressure pad.
=C2=A0
Here=E2=80=99s the scenario:
Cat comes into the laundry room (where the cat box is
located) and enters the cat box.=C2=A0 The pressure pad would
be outside the cat box entry and the cat would activate the
pressure switch in the entry pad and a wireless signal would
be transmitted to the 110V power switch located in the existing
wall mounted gang box.=C2=A0 In my case, the entry pad is very near an= =20
existing outlet, so it could be 110V. The fan would automatically
come on for a pre-determined amount of time, then automatically
turn off.The cat exiting the cat box would have no affect on the fan <= /div>
since it=E2=80=99s already running.
=C2=A0
Any clever ideas from our Shop-Talk members?=C2=A0 The assembly of
everything involved would take place in the shop, so the mandatory
shop application is thereby satisfied.
Thanks.
=C2=A0
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA=20 USA
www.leath= erplates.com


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You need a buddy with a giant lathe.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018= at 1:33 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I'= ;m making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it.=C2=A0 Like a cove cut on a bo= ard, but just in a circle.=C2=A0 Think of a change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a board.

The cut would look like if you had= a table saw blade about 1/2" out of the table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.=C2=A0 I know that wouldn= 9;t work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)

Here is an image of the cut I am t= rying to make (there are two of them on this valet..

https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-vale= t-change-dish-modern

Anyone know how to do that?=C2=A0 = I can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board. =C2=A0 =C2=A0The piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)

Thanks in advance!

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--0000000000006a45a105818e359b-- --===============6925781401567861535== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6925781401567861535==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 15:04:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1C825886DC for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:04:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta02.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346902588752 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 14:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from RYPC ([172.248.153.253]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id swMpgKkbNW8eZswMsgFIvD; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 21:10:26 +0000 To: , "'Shop-talk'" References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:07:33 -0800 Thread-Index: AdTBc7J1YyJ5KEnCQz6MIcwY+5bOLgADzl4A 6REcstdBYp2+QP+nhus/c/PEUhZ1q0p72jrGTU9R+ksXtgmgIY6wyjgG+aSCavyOB11OUUXllyzDyFlNXhJEZZOJfaxHxDxE3d8= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. From: Randall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again. I got Phil's reply, but not the original post. Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the table saw trick. But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several times to get 1/2" depth. A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, but only to the depth of the carbide inserts. Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need. Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of the bench (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end. Main difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it slowly enough. I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic speed control. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 16:59:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2092587A98 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:59:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4DF25875A1 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.238]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id sxengfkl3ZgSGsxvcgX9Wy; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:50:24 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1549839024; bh=8wbe/kZOzr3bf8Fy83Q5ws8SSvvHASapkusxGFYK9i4=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kQ/aST5HWPopUQHeZPNti94j6gaNxqfRoPhRgXGxkjrqedGeDFJK/SNfZUpLNkegS jjuUeMxM56cJOpEc9Z2mYtIVLMi0svIsZ7B1+cI85X4g/XR/DrcqHLtsioafhhsdgH QGzFO0kGhTyD7hXPTupO3wPpmjB0bhkG3vjYx6iyU5dRI912eVzFQ4VQFwlKWg7fgU 7Tl/1LYrybB875Gp0RffIolA/XtBh+MH5qnRRGys0ncs2kvNUgEdRYZ0RiA0ni07MT 8Fx0RHA+ouf7XsCN7tX+fkZufBzJOCFyzN3QNCw/8QmgFALdf391nmqkNnlWMibBze tv3QxTfO+aK5Q== Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([IPv6:2601:601:1500:a216:8140:c314:5c40:752d]) by resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id sxvbgjMcL8zCrsxvcgWF8H; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:50:24 +0000 To: Shop Talk Forum References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 14:50:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. 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[73.50.19.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r21sm4277423ita.27.2019.02.10.15.44.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:44:15 -0800 (PST) To: "shop-talk@autox. team. net" Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:44:13 -0600 References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.18.2-1413 (build: 101800200) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I replied long ago when this first came up. If you have a radial arm saw it's simple. Clamp the workpiece in place under the blade, lock the carriage in the proper location, start the saw, lower the blade to the desired depth, unlock the carriage swivel, and rotate the carriage slowly to form the bowl. This method is limited to the radius of the available blades. You could also get fancy and, once the bowl is formed, lock the carriage swivel and move the blade along the arm to make an oval, locking and spinning the carriage again when you get the oval as long as you want. On February 10, 2019 4:02:04 PM Randall via Shop-talk wrote: > Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again. I got Phil's reply, > but not the original post. > > Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the table > saw trick. But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several > times to get 1/2" depth. A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, but > only to the depth of the carbide inserts. > > Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need. > Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of the bench > (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end. Main > difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it > slowly enough. I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would > probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic speed > control. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 18:47:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A39E2587F35 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 18:47:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748CC2587D30 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928EB20452C for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x4QzAIyj-AqU for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-177-251.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.177.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C86A20452B for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:23:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. From: Jimmie Mayfield via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5545006395683763513== boundary="------------0001999E7A884D57A8B0601E" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0001999E7A884D57A8B0601E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Looks like I missed the original message. I've never done this but here what I'd try: 1. Use a router with a carbide straight bit and a circle-cutting jig to cut concentric circles starting with the outer edge of the bowl and moving inward.  You'll need to figure out the depth for each successive circle depending on how steep you want the bowl to be. 2. Use a chisel or a forstner bit in your drill press to remove the centermost section (the piece that you screwed your circle jig into).  At this point, you'll have a "step" bowl, similar to what a strip mine might look like. 3. To smooth out the steps, I'd use a 4 1/2" angle grinder and a flap grinding disc.  In fact, as I write this, I suspect you could make the entire bowl using just the angle grinder.  You can buy a sculpting disk for an angle grinder that has chain saw teeth.  Use that to shape the bowl and the flap disk to smooth the gouges. On 02/10/19 13:17, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk wrote: > You need a buddy with a giant lathe. > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:33 PM eric--- via Shop-talk > > I'm making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded > 'dish' cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a board, but just in a > circle.  Think of a change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a > board. > > The cut would look like if you had a table saw blade about 1/2" > out of the table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and > twisted it in a circle.  I know that wouldn't work (and would be > HUGELY unsafe.) > > Here is an image of the cut I am trying to make (there are two of > them on this valet.. > > https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet-change-dish-modern > > > Anyone know how to do that? I can only find ways to make a cove > lengthwise in a board.  The piece isn't small enough to put in a > lathe (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last > resort, but I would rather not do that.) > > Thanks in advance! > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier7@gmail.com > > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------0001999E7A884D57A8B0601E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Looks like I missed the original message.

I've never done this but here what I'd try:

1. Use a router with a carbide straight bit and a circle-cutting jig to cut concentric circles starting with the outer edge of the bowl and moving inward.  You'll need to figure out the depth for each successive circle depending on how steep you want the bowl to be.

2. Use a chisel or a forstner bit in your drill press to remove the centermost section (the piece that you screwed your circle jig into).  At this point, you'll have a "step" bowl, similar to what a strip mine might look like. 

3. To smooth out the steps, I'd use a 4 1/2" angle grinder and a flap grinding disc.  In fact, as I write this, I suspect you could make the entire bowl using just the angle grinder.  You can buy a sculpting disk for an angle grinder that has chain saw teeth.  Use that to shape the bowl and the flap disk to smooth the gouges.



On 02/10/19 13:17, Philip Ethier via Shop-talk wrote:
You need a buddy with a giant lathe.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:33 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I'm making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a board, but just in a circle.  Think of a change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a board.

The cut would look like if you had a table saw blade about 1/2" out of the table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.  I know that wouldn't work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)

Here is an image of the cut I am trying to make (there are two of them on this valet..

https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet-change-dish-modern

Anyone know how to do that?  I can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board.    The piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)

Thanks in advance!

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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--------------0001999E7A884D57A8B0601E-- --===============5545006395683763513== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5545006395683763513==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 06:35:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21615258073F for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 06:35:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f50.google.com (mail-ot1-f50.google.com [209.85.210.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0B02588593 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 06:12:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f50.google.com with SMTP id u16so17293961otk.8 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JFdxG2iMU9KBn9a3YZzS6DmkCsTAj+yFdQfpxUcVBh8=; b=DC67vvO72NQ2ED1JpOrsESPwwP5DhWKLROGRTLpyaPx8uNws3/YzKqE8Sj4xoIn+gS Vk1Vf2xmdBAiti6cWEPM5h82e2Y+qvb/pz9pe2vBr8pNBI/LFtFIeMmOlUCEV1RXs5bW zyTAk6sPBjPM/o0Yy/QnW77YStQcJ9UQSRrSR1bubeO/Zi4VhZ+cgzASsdl7/fYt8duY 2PhCglKROmGFfTX/VtByxP/3JxYpbO30x5D3nQiKA+HApsDgfFZXwp+7JRZce1Pp/iWn ya6f5zvQ64l4iJxRmwDGpJt7FlzSROPFShVeJ0+uKu6V8FRhThScEBRjdjD6/SfHpsWI RXzg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JFdxG2iMU9KBn9a3YZzS6DmkCsTAj+yFdQfpxUcVBh8=; b=IWowSBau4dU2ln79jkHTUxJRyoMjmeGp+Jg3VbMfPrsAP/mgaicD5o6Imf1VDOJgek t1KJ36RRNPoKifDl0/ObIu6et18vNCxOSwX+JN/tpBVuhRjHbxY2be/UmY2vtXsCNH5d 7bogQjWz8fAibAQeejpD/IY40BxoFykJ0mMdDcKf+86BjHbsunjd31JdHjttPQnPDErz 3cBuO1sCo3CuOlyBxVswpy1PyYgiZDTHgkm74ilAlmsmc0hlzb6uR8BNEghAkFqXZfq6 C4d+Hcv7kpgokZadcoZZoSvtEY3fHaaTbcodXoGRpVmZdYh6qjkEcKeSOgdKjE3xNyUV v8iQ== HI6TeFywlOxyGWA+hpHGdq189JRkOGbJLuPyrSVP3g== Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:12:48 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:12:37 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:54 PM someone wrote: > > Looks like I missed the original message. FYI: The original message was in mid-December. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 11:55:36 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD152580502 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:55:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic305-6.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic305-6.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.133.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551A52587DFE for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 06:06:19 -0700 (MST) t=1548594368; bh=Rz5b7RCVC98GpcvSDWtD4oVIbLNa2G3Na7FRMcGqpP8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=jFOHJc3BcHgNvWpgnqI2kxQFZrrUwrLzWHq4HoWayZ9CyhTkzOVe5/6KqFHjkJrKXoX+tVDWMjn62qW9NNuhEf1HiyXbYkygcLI9VVFncycHbWVXRh7u8iIkSgpEY1BSYPxFD9atdZ2I6zxAOvNchcUBLC3/D+v3CX98tt7zcN3AZJF7+etmO4JpuhRqCpDQmMB2yjwcSWtwk57+rsZN5sQH5bQ32AyZBbU9/mVYmuD6Uc2CEyMZuKgaTR990nvyebCDh8bxMOa3DN/2XKJAdoFNsyCWZCAujb9ZGngGVfwfNvRmu7M5rBsSah0oVUdmsyx9ATdGns5Ep8A375vFaQ== dmke93ZqErPC5uEyO7lpBy9DUGDOc3JJBINn07q8_pjxd.k9xD5EUijwcAcwfGvyKuzAO7UAYqFd 2Tn8wfQNVY1DayWPVJnqKsPgURrg0OwunR8eIs9anQwPHm6jC2R8DAqLt0hYjsMYUczmLYwi8Myh t96JFiN09rgFbUuX4O676I8vj_ZSGrYbHxGQO0xzmOTm0XrsqYSo1gcvAEcjjuc_mk1oH0sryHZ. 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My house in Illinois had a gas stove and= its hood did not vent to the outside. So it's not a national thing. You might look into DIY-ing the vent. I did mine and it was one of the easi= est DIY things I've done to the house.=C2=A0 Scott On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk
I put in a= out side vented hood for my daughter not long ago and it was not too big o= f a job.  She has 2 story house and kitchen is on 1st floor so I had t= o open some holes in ceiling and then repair sheetrock, but the installatio= n was not too hard.  ( I installed the mounting frame 90 degrees off, = so that had to be unscrewed, turned and reinstalled!)  She wanted/need= ed her ceiling smoothed and repainted anyway, so the sheetrock repair was n= ot a big thing. 

Dwade
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On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 01:31:51 AM EST, Scott Hal= l via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


Tim,
It's got to be a local code thing. My house= in Illinois had a gas stove and its hood did not vent to the outside. So i= t's not a national thing.

You might= look into DIY-ing the vent. I did mine and it was one of the easiest DIY t= hings I've done to the house. 

Scott

On Sat, Jan 26, 20= 19, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team= .net wrote:
We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We are s= witching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside (and i = bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line install. <= /div>

My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that ven= ts to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that he= lps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not e= xist at this time. Nor do I know anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in my kitchen wall. 

shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder coa= ting. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.

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------=_Part_1768298_1050769055.1548594363780-- --===============7009382557822328616== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7009382557822328616==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 12:16:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE7C2587706 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:16:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C799C25887AA for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id sxXLg4dseZBM2sxXMgqwL3; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:25:20 -0700 To: "Randall" , , "'Shop-talk'" References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 14:25:20 -0800 Importance: Normal eySy/GYWb9DMrWdwPVOylS3b93PMfy8gdUtcqnoNlAueIFTf0N+vx6W0IUEMVy8sPoqM8kQaiJrcBws6dN6OoK8Sg2CYM6o55cY6w1eDBmjjyslwjQQbJv+Y Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood. From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3659171243713683051== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01D4C14C.73918960" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D4C14C.73918960 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check these suggestions out. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3Dwooden+bowl+with+table+saw= Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com -----Original Message-----=20 From: Randall via Shop-talk=20 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:07 PM=20 To: eric@megageek.com ; 'Shop-talk'=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood.=20 Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again. I got Phil's = reply, but not the original post. Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the = table saw trick. But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several times to get 1/2" depth. A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, = but only to the depth of the carbide inserts. Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need. Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of the = bench (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end. Main difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it slowly enough. I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic = speed control. -- Randall=20 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild=20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D4C14C.73918960 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check these suggestions out.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3Dwooden+bowl+with= +table+saw
 
Steve Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
www.leatherplates.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall via Shop-talk
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:07 PM
To: eric@megageek.com ; 'Shop-talk'
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of = wood.=20
 
Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again.  I got = Phil's=20 reply,
but not the original post.
 
Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing = the=20 table
saw trick.  But it would have to be a very shallow cut, = repeated=20 several
times to get 1/2" depth.  A good carbide wood blade will cut = sideways,=20 but
only to the depth of the carbide inserts.
 
Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you=20 need.
Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of = the=20 bench
(giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other = end. =20 Main
difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn = it
slowly enough.  I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that = would
probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) = electronic=20 speed
control.
 
-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
 
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From: "John P. New via Shop-talk" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Heh, the original post was in December 2018, so you've just forgotten that you saw it... John P. New London, Ontario, Canada On Sunday, February 10, 2019 4:07:33 PM EST Randall via Shop-talk wrote: > Hmm, looks like the list server is stuttering again. I got Phil's reply, > but not the original post. > > Anyway, if you had some way to guide the piece, I might try doing the table > saw trick. But it would have to be a very shallow cut, repeated several > times to get 1/2" depth. A good carbide wood blade will cut sideways, but > only to the depth of the carbide inserts. > > Probably also not that hard to rig a wood lathe with the swing you need. > Maybe mount a cheap bench grinder so one end hangs off the edge of the bench > (giving you somewhere around 7' of swing) and drive the other end. Main > difficulty with that is setting up the belt (or gear) train to turn it > slowly enough. I've got a DC motor from an old treadmill that would > probably do the job, combined with a decent (load sensing) electronic speed > control. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jnew@hazelden.ca > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 22:43:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DBB2589305 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:43:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (mail-ot1-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459DC2589296 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id n71so14346346ota.10 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yja7xJ7tI0+2md1phH52uo6fzNeslF1z2cN8CUVON7Q=; b=EbDnK+VdsLSsqJ92XCWKq+aBebDbmva+JL9DsF8U9fbaSUWj0ta3IPaSc7qp6aXmH8 N6JmKNWh8UE5d/DBGPPO9mGAUSHn6zXnx8iXNb2K/LXgw7DwsZM/NbX0QOk+QTMrOYFa oL5YWB1LG8rI1M4R53WrzMls3xshBQc3Ein7Cg4BEt3/kbSY/w3fbyg9w+qgmfWz1UWz BAdnMDsYHPnMg9VG0JO1+WjY+s245Je760U6gf4Qd4zH/W8vyiZfDsyuSBdlSy3LVyBa PlanH4gLB8p9LZbgUDjMwV0gTECF6hVnKRMVw56WXzR/21yZL43hNKBnjjPpF/+MssUv +uvw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=yja7xJ7tI0+2md1phH52uo6fzNeslF1z2cN8CUVON7Q=; b=LsQQosuwaxgY4D1kYuBGLWusXO6rDK97/a2BJqTpq9H0CsQZ7KtihgDwmBmWasVNSQ eaHX3CFQ1M3rfAYGCu5CeNIBx/umkdzolgQoLosJiMhUxUFEC6mG3DFw7oXPaMLnthQf b+sSi/kk8og0rPcGzxf2kkAoOR9Rda55wEGXLlhgSlj5BtZpMZnDwF4/rRkqE9bYDIKy RR/rj23dvH5B86Zk76O6ceS7eSTo9hlx5bt4b0IjAYJ7WXVDCwl+AtUz0OVeI7uXRp59 Y3D4zAXlQAPgT4o+R0x0MnA+9FmFrdh2VQLCVpK0BUwVGZbUPHu7L2IzKne6L3wSR2DE JdaA== plb/N1aHeACw/k6wU2lNVgi6jrdC Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (108-233-94-94.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net. [108.233.94.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m133sm2129014oib.52.2019.02.14.19.48.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:48:51 -0800 (PST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:48:49 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it. New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out over the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why not those too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous owner wouldn't have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question): They're about 38-ish feet off the ground. Bolted to the side of the chimney. My extension ladder is 32 feet, and even if Home Depot sells something longer I'm not excited about paying $400+ for it. My thoughts now to get this done (in no particular order) are: 1) rent scaffolding. This is attractive because I want to change the ceiling fan in the living room as well and that ceiling is only a few feet lower than the outside light fixtures. I could do both in one day. I'm not sure how else I'd get up to that thing. 2) buy the longest extension ladder I can find. I think I'll need 40 feet, probably. Longer would be better. Expensive, but done. 3) try to get them from the roof. I'd have to get up to the roof there with a ladder placed on the first story roof, then go up the front side, over the peak, then down the back. The roof is fairly steeply pitched and while this is the cheapest option, it's probably more expensive when factoring in the hospital stay. The roof is really steep and I am unfamiliar with how to stick myself to it as a roofer would do. And it's a long drop. I can be talked into anything, but so far this is my last option. 4) rent a lift. Home Dept rents them, though I'm not sure if the back porch can hold its weight or if it could even get up the stairs onto the porch to begin with, and I doubt I could use it inside for the fan because I suspect it won't fit through a door. Having said all that, surely someone here has dealt with this. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 02:20:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1985B2589137 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:20:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9A62587970 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:10:24 -0700 (MST) References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:10:19 -0500 02/15/2019 04:10:30 AM, Serialize complete at 02/15/2019 04:10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6098181582142734339== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_= I don't have any other answers without seeing the set up, but if you are close to me (western NJ) I have plenty of ladders you can borrow to reach that. I also have a crane with a man-bucket, but it isn't currently registered for road use. Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof. Note, I would also consider getting an estimate from a gutter or roof guy. They have the ladders and are comfortable with the heights. Man, am I getting old, I just tried to talk you out of buying new tools and hiring someone else to do the job. FORGET ALL THAT!!! Buy a drone, or four and tie them together and to a chair and use that to lift you up to the lights! 8>) Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_= I don't have any other answers without seeing the set up, but if you are close to me (western NJ) I have plenty of ladders you can borrow to reach that.  I also have a crane with a man-bucket, but it isn't currently registered for road use.

Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.

Note, I would also consider getting an estimate from a gutter or roof guy.  They have the ladders and are comfortable with the heights.  

Man, am I getting old, I just tried to talk you out of buying new tools and hiring someone else to do the job.

FORGET ALL THAT!!!
Buy a drone, or four and tie them together and to a chair and use that to lift you up to the lights!   8>)


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 0032624F852583A2_=-- --===============6098181582142734339== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6098181582142734339==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 03:48:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FE025892AE for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 03:48:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f48.google.com (mail-ot1-f48.google.com [209.85.210.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A48325807B7 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 03:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f48.google.com with SMTP id g1so15596937otj.11 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:15:02 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=EmwQG1j3kFuCARDNZnrvo+1G8bGGSQIINm6ZQh12nDA=; b=J7HgQn0cq2iKKfDzQ3wweqfKhoEes7wopDgOD4/1sOFkNMVS6sGgenfMxLKY0mSBag JI75DZw3cMligu7I4jUy5vsJBTHRnfRKiZA+ca+H4cGe6fsjDzq6qznCFUZXiNAllsTQ rJ2Des/NHmoLV4w6aNA8KutHVxrckYXgO1aVIL+85mw/ehN6179XbOEptQ6tNP7s0I6I C673kLMi9hZ6H/VKTbr34W1U/yeA6/Ji4cTzwwQIJ7beYEzpt6ae0YcomajdjKewotwY ke6RUVaitBH3B8fw1rDV8ZXZNo+7ZUd+fW06vkWZ0oxX/obD/MnCNtVkgt9jEjHGQ3TK 1WBw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=EmwQG1j3kFuCARDNZnrvo+1G8bGGSQIINm6ZQh12nDA=; b=MS9dOxJyPQzLCWxHF0MvQu1YpBM1blYmc1pQpTKdvSQZGU0Pqrk1MadDtiHoNbQ1ax KiRChRYhj3+3hxTs6rqqw6QflajIwq1aOXh/SdOYc4+5Nh4glRDW7uyrqhlmG5eEY5o2 MyZCLw7u/I8YnyfgTHJQ53M21E2FCnGnvL9RdzcfIBp4H9/Kkf0UAkDEfbFDK+sYs6+Z R+ZisTCll3L+SA0tHEV77ujVAGkwU9EmZV1tE1lZ5t7XhxTrUeqlnqwCbYJ2sD223nY6 7Nyj61KzRmkBKU5jf7JmepnWw+ftAbJP0CrtqJbEdTDjRCcfoY/aZXDBoil1H5WLJhhQ s0ZQ== wATtdooEpAJHDERC9SrEIL3nJi4lSPqoP7Vd9Hbi7g== Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:14:56 -0800 (PST) References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 05:14:46 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk wrote: > > Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof. Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 06:50:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA05725804AD for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:50:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (mail-qt1-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B690E2589335 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 05:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id p48so10712186qtk.2 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:02 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=mZbDQ4s0vc9x2ImIxsO4/M8Fy76nBdYjuUleKo3zKUk=; b=B/fPgxSWhSaH3DoWkshwL9gb9LiTBxkkxu0iJ8ZC6emXjWDVXs2Q2lhk5OoVnkninB 3uCZHkbT9ixc77mcXrofeAyfut5IagnPvlifcijWlMZAUe6BT89Gi1dxgsl20NPqmHat 2DEHUXb+aGAPwYEo2qXuOj7+zzGlfrMle/jyMKDOnfOeMrDloE1nCxXOiIsbhZuyXKui fsAFRjfSAa7RcA5VwHDAOuBmrO9VOGRPa3a7cBb83YJkDrGuyLORfMd/DYFpybbEK4bh 711rwIKmV6SSM3BpCaWaNfwNYQf/kfoFrCfPyhajnAHKPpx+OgG07iETACUJzRLNJ3H4 6b5w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=mZbDQ4s0vc9x2ImIxsO4/M8Fy76nBdYjuUleKo3zKUk=; b=KhHQ12kFaklcq04qeve6bzlfWLbUrmEK86XBsG85w/KDbJUaZ4z86rJbqIn+VqW3D/ grUNqOUCm5pwKk58yS7Z9vNz2+dTAwN+9tNx9MX7E5UeFCWicISWB0iDkte4v5sukECe IZRKAe3qN5Lv5uV6qR0B3bwX2PUxcCEObyA4Xf+H/OkydyM9SlUb2ciBF5nA8l5lxE3P TL6ngEccDCE/dCRnEm0zqtSL0dznddtQRSW/kaMwXm8tqcXKBuRIITkXK87eM/cQEztX HZZsVT7e7b5oK5/GdIjvI1l8GhJ2bmHD2qywr5WD2j89wPBJzHkn4o6d0dc4F/Oab3YG 8cDA== /P0y08ea1kuLYfGLvvYuIhj3mq0+ Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from jims-air.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm2959530qke.30.2019.02.15.04.54.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:54:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:53:50 -0500 References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: Jim Stone via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current ladder? Something like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk > wrote: >> >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof. > > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. > > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 07:07:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533C25892EC for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:07:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8F62589389 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:17:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.eu.com (webmail5.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.5]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 509DDE0009 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:17:52 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: jamesf--- via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Seconded in the "pay someone else" camp. Sometimes the right tool is another person. Or, use the money you'd have paid someone, or used to buy a ladder, to install new lights within reach. jim On 2019-02-15 05:14, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk > wrote: >> >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their >> covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can >> sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof. > > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. > > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 08:19:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25212589222 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:19:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yb1-f174.google.com (mail-yb1-f174.google.com [209.85.219.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28CA2589221 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:55:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yb1-f174.google.com with SMTP id s5so3803195ybp.6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 05:55:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fwSECSP8SYmh0aXzvt+7S5bW0rcvWhcAEXtjze25C+s=; b=oYBrSbYT/Pvg/LhKP0IQuQVGzwmqYTdey67jxXv8w7N++b6x1AFF79d2S4gOF4I9n3 2V/nkqWqn4F8x2HRJ7II1XXXWslPkJSV9jteQr0aj0MIkL8F+PY0aa4IT1TWDckxILnG Tr+XNhev8x758fhkyzSDKfhKzauNfQlvRoW1W43VNwjFJBWoraM9/NZMlyzXRfHfgMrm RWVGTU3xIcV7+VCAVbPrmUsSW+c6LO/oqwG1CGAHUlv4ZDy6FTmpK5+oN8DNhSK5Pvh/ 2qIOqucgdfQPv4VCgsRPNdrGSv4YG9UG2CWfHiUlw1/7JyQOzRzIS+fGgBi8QIPLuDXg kYiQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fwSECSP8SYmh0aXzvt+7S5bW0rcvWhcAEXtjze25C+s=; b=fhFgvF8tt/3SSeOLgS88x6uWUgi8c+eg1xXuSHHxPuDK05Q/J5GFEDYWhnuqBPgKIZ /LcR8psgreX48ckqtYWdXlWdyOHVJBGDk73BVP43/O2GSob0VpkQxWritAhGu/T+opAz WP4tgX/OW4cT7AdyS5HnEy0p6tgRzZy7DDSWGsn1rxdCpjmrOiaZwSAG3EhpAUne/WXS JKB/oNb9k5YzdC6eSQl44qpPigtNo7s1EVSCMCfz4Y15ufh01tdQYiaYCYh3zFH9Zl5f MXqiueN3NOA9b7g1KNz6UCa0AKLtaNg8OpAwcPMWnnFaB9vhjBTxORA8nKnljJanwT1+ VVrg== 7J4+/Ane6n3AYaMMsqwbFEGym8DWumblph+q8MoyJA== Fri, 15 Feb 2019 05:55:30 -0800 (PST) References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> <0EBBE266-E078-4260-964C-CC9085D4F8F1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 07:55:18 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4193692185879103648== --000000000000c4e96d0581ef2001 The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote: > Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like > the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with > your current ladder? Something like this: > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 > > > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk > > wrote: > >> > >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their > covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on > them without them slipping off the roof. > > > > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is > > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. > > > > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --000000000000c4e96d0581ef2001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite se= e how to get into the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to fi= gure it out.=C2=A0

On = Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote:
Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting = scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you considered using= an extension pole with your current ladder?=C2=A0 Something like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electri= c-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521=


> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk
> <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th= eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee= l on them without them slipping off the roof.
>
> Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that thi= s is
> not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane.=C2=A0 Would not rec= ommend.
>
> If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it.
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As others have said, this = might be a job for a professional. > On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk = wrote: >=20 > The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into = the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out.=20 >=20 > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk = > Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds = like the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension = pole with your current ladder? Something like this: = https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Chan= ger-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 = >=20 >=20 > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk = > >=20 > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk > >>=20 > >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of = their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can = sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof. > >=20 > > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this = is > > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. > >=20 > > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. > > _______________________________________________ > >=20 > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = > >=20 > > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com = > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.= com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_9122E436-3E0F-4757-8CE5-AAF3C6867F06 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Oh = well.  That takes that option off the table.  One other = consideration: I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder = sitting on top of commercial scaffolding.  It was a nerve-wracking = experience, as the ladder never felt secure.  As others have said, = this might be a job for a professional.

On Feb = 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to = get into the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it = out. 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote:
Given the need to = change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right move = to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current = ladder?  Something like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Ligh= t-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521


> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk
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>>
>> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of = their covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can = sit/kneel on them without them slipping off the roof.
>
> Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this = is
> not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane.  Would not = recommend.
>
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Of course, as the others have suggested, do the lights need to be this high? I can't believe that multiple folks on this list have suggested hiring this out! Watch out - Mark B might give you the boot! Maybe you can hire a chimney company to clean your chimney, and while they're there, you can have them look at your fixtures... -Peter (who also hires out for lots of stuff) On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:33 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Oh well. That takes that option off the table. One other consideration: > I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on top of > commercial scaffolding. It was a nerve-wracking experience, as the ladder > never felt secure. As others have said, this might be a job for a > professional. > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into the > enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out. > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote: > >> Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like >> the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with >> your current ladder? Something like this: >> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 >> >> >> > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk < >> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their >> covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on >> them without them slipping off the roof. >> > >> > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is >> > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. >> > >> > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a >> > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --0000000000003b601d0581f27ad4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rent a cherry picker, evaluate the fixture, and switch it = over to LED. Of course, as the others have suggested, do the lights need to= be this high?

I can't believe that multiple folks o= n this list have suggested hiring this out! Watch out - Mark B might give y= ou the boot!

Maybe you can hire a chimney company = to clean your chimney, and while they're there, you can have them look = at your fixtures...

-Peter (who also hires out for= lots of stuff)

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:33 PM Jim Stone via Shop-ta= lk <shop-talk@autox.team.net= > wrote:
=
Oh well.=C2=A0 That takes that op= tion off the table.=C2=A0 One other consideration: I recently painted a cat= hedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on top of commercial scaffolding.= =C2=A0 It was a nerve-wracking experience, as the ladder never felt secure.= =C2=A0 As others have said, this might be a job for a professional.

On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall= via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

The light= s are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into the enclo= sure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out.=C2=A0
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM = Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote:
Given the need to change the ceiling fan= , renting scaffolding sounds like the right move to me, but have you consid= ered using an extension pole with your current ladder?=C2=A0 Something like= this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commerci= al-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12= /100354521


> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk
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>> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th= eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee= l on them without them slipping off the roof.
>
> Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that thi= s is
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Maybe it is. Obviously I can't tell from here. But two light fixtures both not working make me suspect that there is a switch or breaker or something that you don't know about. For "commercial-esque" fixtures, they may be mercury or sodium vapor. They may not come on instantly. There may also be a photo sensor, so make sure you are doing your testing after dark. It would piss me off to hire someone or rent equipment only to find that I didn't have the right switch turned on. -Steve At 10:48 PM 2/14/2019, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote: >I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it. > >New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out >over the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs >because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why >not those too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous >owner wouldn't have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question): --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 15:41:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109192589016 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:41:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f47.google.com (mail-yw1-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4F325891CB for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yw1-f47.google.com with SMTP id x21so4244954ywx.11 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:35:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gJhDe7QJpENY6yi+fugqqbmuz/bRFQTgZeL4DPzoq+E=; b=Qd5Z4NeaNrK6K/zGUzUxmyxN5PbAx7r8UTAHFokaoEBUGbudaMKTCfgIDvPLAsz90A oXGWWYBz3vJ+b+VIb/HFhCvwMrmYvtmGwl/VSnEbf51XEGS2NYxQIwHCLrXkGZLvB9/r Y+BBiDHcRaJErUZ2Fc1Oh2nl6pZ6N9jYpQFI/8GdLfJHSx/MMSH/FysBDZk2D34wOoYM /I3Q4YX0B5DpcuWDOYqkH9hp09xHJYa//a0qJX6L3N4qI0USblvs65ZveypRpttd7HNE YoKDhslj3dvfelSkBjPdAx9t5Uwy2K7sd1d6jFWYXJqcJEkOUQOpjnPBVxt/Uca3w37m eNXw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gJhDe7QJpENY6yi+fugqqbmuz/bRFQTgZeL4DPzoq+E=; b=h8iad6trFN1T767yhB+edoLsZv2u/r8VuKD6dLGFN6mhRVLfCfQHsI8DRGjtWlTX40 F5oR2ikFTZH/EcaBQCBQU5xIzptcfsKvOYBHv7fNlhfryMWMwIQOsVToBbtVP1f7Unhd K1ScygSN+Bs8IXM0fNu8SFhATF4Kz0Jx2m2YbYuQpVycjSveSeJZ8nyLBmyZsRbscfZF FKSaNB15uoQ+7L0SaCTi+/nh9KR8Eu/i+9q55EEQsKAhMFqq7+eGl/0nLraY/uRraFT5 32LPJRpPD3pg+gB9i2tQCNaF2l9GyFVFI1XiyJLmSxRQxfS2qDkaVmrWpGo3pC+NUorT VyZg== gFOw+zBMliJoxmFaFY9ASrcwMl9KXcYdQG9RU6h6xw== Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:35:40 -0800 (PST) References: <162823ee-50d9-be47-6b6c-95081c7bf4f6@gmail.com> <33.2E.04272.9B3176C5@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:35:03 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to change a light bulb From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0611698271202482684== --0000000000006fcc100581f58e9b They're metal halide bulbs. Or at least they look like metal halide bulbs from the ground and from about eight feet below them, swaying precariously on the top of a ladder. It's funny you say that about the switch. I want to swap the bulbs exactly because I don't know how--or even if--they're switched. There are three light switches in the house that do nothing as far as I can tell. But when I bought the house, every single bulb save three (all on the same fixture) were bad. I spent a an hour screwing with the two breaker boxes *sure* there was a breaker issue before I tried swapping bulbs. It was just bad bulbs. All the breakers at this point are on. The three switches--as far as I can tell--do not control the lights, but like you said, if they're sensor-ed I can't tell. I figure if I swap the bulbs then I'll know it's something else. I've tried flipping the switches at night, and I even ran around in the back yard once, running from the yard to each of the switches inside and back as I threw them. I don't see any sensor box. I suspect the bulbs only because they literally couldn't be bothered to clean the stove (and all the other bulbs were out). If they can't do that, there's no way they're climbing up there to swap a bad bulb. But you're exactly right, it could be something else entirely and I'm out of ideas to figure out how they come on. My plan was new bulbs and throw switches at night. If that didn't work...ask you guys. I spent a few months doing just as Michael suggested--they're just 'gone' now and there are no lights. I really, really tried. But after a deep period of soul searching, I don't think I can deal with just accepting that they don't work now, forever. I'd have to climb up there to remove them in that instance. And if I'm going up there...might as well just replace the bulbs. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:32 PM Steven Trovato wrote: > OK, so I am not convinced that it's the bulbs. Maybe it > is. Obviously I can't tell from here. But two light fixtures both > not working make me suspect that there is a switch or breaker or > something that you don't know about. For "commercial-esque" > fixtures, they may be mercury or sodium vapor. They may not come on > instantly. There may also be a photo sensor, so make sure you are > doing your testing after dark. It would piss me off to hire someone > or rent equipment only to find that I didn't have the right switch turned > on. > > -Steve > > At 10:48 PM 2/14/2019, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote: > >I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it. > > > >New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out > >over the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs > >because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why > >not those too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous > >owner wouldn't have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my > question): > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > --0000000000006fcc100581f58e9b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They're metal halide bulbs. Or at least they look like= metal halide bulbs from the ground and from about eight feet below them, s= waying precariously on the top of a ladder.

It's fun= ny you say that about the switch. I want to swap the bulbs exactly because = I don't know how--or even if--they're switched. There are three lig= ht switches in the house that do nothing as far as I can tell. But when I b= ought the house, every single bulb save three (all on the same fixture) wer= e bad. I spent a an hour screwing with the two breaker boxes *sure* there w= as a breaker issue before I tried swapping bulbs. It was just bad bulbs.=C2= =A0

All the breakers at this point are on. The thr= ee switches--as far as I can tell--do not control the lights, but like you = said, if they're sensor-ed I can't tell. I figure if I swap the bul= bs then I'll know it's something else. I've tried flipping the = switches at night, and I even ran around in the back yard once, running fro= m the yard to each of the switches inside and back as I threw them. I don&#= 39;t see any sensor box.

I suspect the bulbs only = because they literally couldn't be bothered to clean the stove (and all= the other bulbs were out). If they can't do that, there's no way t= hey're climbing up there to swap a bad bulb. But you're exactly rig= ht, it could be something else entirely and I'm out of ideas to figure = out how they come on. My plan was new bulbs and throw switches at night. If= that didn't work...ask you guys.

I spent a fe= w months doing just as Michael suggested--they're just 'gone' n= ow and there are no lights. I really, really tried. But after a deep period= of soul searching, I don't think I can deal with just accepting that t= hey don't work now, forever. I'd have to climb up there to remove t= hem in that instance. And if I'm going up there...might as well just re= place the bulbs.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:32 PM Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net> wrot= e:
OK, so I am n= ot convinced that it's the bulbs.=C2=A0 Maybe it
is.=C2=A0 Obviously I can't tell from here.=C2=A0 But two light fixture= s both
not working make me suspect that there is a switch or breaker or
something that you don't know about.=C2=A0 For "commercial-esque&q= uot;
fixtures, they may be mercury or sodium vapor.=C2=A0 They may not come on <= br> instantly.=C2=A0 There may also be a photo sensor, so make sure you are doing your testing after dark.=C2=A0 It would piss me off to hire someone <= br> or rent equipment only to find that I didn't have the right switch turn= ed on.

-Steve

At 10:48 PM 2/14/2019, Scott Hall via Shop-talk wrote:
>I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find i= t.
>
>New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out
>over the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs=
>because I had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why
>not those too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous >owner wouldn't have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my q= uestion):


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Would the bed of a pickup truck get you close enough? I mean, the pallet did end up on the 2nd level here... http://pcm.verticals.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/c/Australian-Forklift-Training-234728/images/Forklift-safety-Lifting-people-on-a-pallet-or-the-fork-arms-655645-l.jpg Mark On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:21 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Oh well. That takes that option off the table. One other consideration: > I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on top of > commercial scaffolding. It was a nerve-wracking experience, as the ladder > never felt secure. As others have said, this might be a job for a > professional. > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite see how to get into the > enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to figure it out. > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net wrote: > >> Given the need to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like >> the right move to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with >> your current ladder? Something like this: >> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521 >> >> >> > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk < >> shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of their >> covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/kneel on >> them without them slipping off the roof. >> > >> > Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that this is >> > not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane. Would not recommend. >> > >> > If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a >> > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> > >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000d0a3380581f2382a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

Clearly you jus= t need to put the extension ladder on something.=C2=A0 Would the bed of a p= ickup truck get you close enough?

I mean, the pallet did end up on t= he 2nd level here...

http:/= /pcm.verticals.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/c/Australian-Forklif= t-Training-234728/images/Forklift-safety-Lifting-people-on-a-pallet-or-the-= fork-arms-655645-l.jpg

Mark

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1= 2:21 PM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Oh w= ell.=C2=A0 That takes that option off the table.=C2=A0 One other considerat= ion: I recently painted a cathedral ceiling with a step ladder sitting on t= op of commercial scaffolding.=C2=A0 It was a nerve-wracking experience, as = the ladder never felt secure.=C2=A0 As others have said, this might be a jo= b for a professional.

On Feb 15,= 2019, at 8:55 AM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<= /div>
The lights are in an enclosure, Jim. I can't quite = see how to get into the enclosure, so I'll have to be within a foot to = figure it out.=C2=A0

O= n Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 7:51 AM Jim Stone via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net wr= ote:
Given the n= eed to change the ceiling fan, renting scaffolding sounds like the right mo= ve to me, but have you considered using an extension pole with your current= ladder?=C2=A0 Something like this: https:/= /www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-11-ft-Pole-Light-Bulb-Changer-Kit-= with-Attachments-CE-600SDLB12/100354521


> On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk <s= hop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:28 AM eric--- via Shop-talk
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>>
>> Other than that, I know roofers often take sofa cushions out of th= eir covering and use just for foam to place on a roof and they can sit/knee= l on them without them slipping off the roof.
>
> Working in commercial construction, I'd like to point out that thi= s is
> not only a likely OSHA violation, it's insane.=C2=A0 Would not rec= ommend.
>
> If they were my lights, I'd either rent a cherry picker, rent a > scaffold, or pay someone else to do it.
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Mon, 18 Feb 2019 04:01:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DAD2589CD8 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2019 23:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id vcVIgtXK4gNePvcVIglhBJ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 06:34:12 +0000 d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1550471652; bh=KkWdyJpAi0yWnjoxS4DC0dOAEL8swShn6YyYQYUd34M=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:Reply-To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FeIAZ/KnNVsaBnOzyGKx8YDt66rQzJdR0tNoOBkwRvQMndFWDHU1edKgMXn/+Bh5O ezF38V9fgVfhbcSFB/SCe2G/SwMlBRiVsaN+qc42gSqGP5XFicazGGvL2iNroSJDS6 amt9ZDCg/0v/JXip2W48kGKSLPatBNWwpPsLVOqwo3QlEkZJpkVq/rmxDLbWdbma1x Llm08U9h9sZdYeM2BeZPcMjeEoGpALRhbemAIdUwQI7jf2c2WWHVIheIarhapUbQ2k Xnj1kao2wAv2YoYkx7bXFhZxROb5cO7pov61+oy1lc6Ly4mgqApYkv17B4hdoL1Ed3 fprPz6iBNf07A== Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([67.188.7.105]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id vcVHgCGWNI6wovcVHgPQMl; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 06:34:12 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, scott.hall.personal@gmail.com References: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:34:10 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop-talk Digest, Vol 13, Issue 18 From: Mark Miller via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7857963103285202564== boundary="------------44E9B0A52E35390421CA9FCD" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------44E9B0A52E35390421CA9FCD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I rented a 40 foot extension ladder when I needed to get to the top of a chimney for some repairs; it was $50 a day.  Go up with a non contact voltage detector (answers the switched/ motion sensed, breaker, etc. questions) and bring the bulb down.  I am guessing if one bulb burned out the other did as well and they were both ignored.  I recommend renting a ladder that can do the job or renting the scaffolding you want and do both jobs the same day or weekend. Regards, Mark Miller   707-490-5834 markmiller@threeboysfarm.com On 2/15/2019 7:46 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote: > 1. How to change a light bulb (Scott Hall) > I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it. > > New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out over > the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs because I > had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why not those > too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous owner wouldn't > have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question): > > They're about 38-ish feet off the ground. Bolted to the side of the > chimney. My extension ladder is 32 feet, and even if Home Depot sells > something longer I'm not excited about paying $400+ for it. > > My thoughts now to get this done (in no particular order) are: > > 1) rent scaffolding. This is attractive because I want to change the > ceiling fan in the living room as well and that ceiling is only a > few feet lower than the outside light fixtures. I could do both in > one day. I'm not sure how else I'd get up to that thing. > > 2) buy the longest extension ladder I can find. I think I'll need 40 > feet, probably. Longer would be better. Expensive, but done. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --------------44E9B0A52E35390421CA9FCD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I rented a 40 foot extension ladder when I needed to get to the top of a chimney for some repairs; it was $50 a day.  Go up with a non contact voltage detector (answers the switched/ motion sensed,  breaker, etc. questions) and bring the bulb down.  I am guessing if one bulb burned out the other did as well and they were both ignored.  I recommend renting a ladder that can do the job or renting the scaffolding you want and do both jobs the same day or weekend.


Regards,

Mark Miller   707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboysfarm.com

On 2/15/2019 7:46 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote:
> 1. How to change a light bulb (Scott Hall) > I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find it. > > New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out over > the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs because I > had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why not those > too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous owner wouldn't > have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question): > > They're about 38-ish feet off the ground. Bolted to the side of the > chimney. My extension ladder is 32 feet, and even if Home Depot sells > something longer I'm not excited about paying $400+ for it. > > My thoughts now to get this done (in no particular order) are: > > 1) rent scaffolding. This is attractive because I want to change the > ceiling fan in the living room as well and that ceiling is only a > few feet lower than the outside light fixtures. I could do both in > one day. I'm not sure how else I'd get up to that thing. > > 2) buy the longest extension ladder I can find. I think I'll need 40 > feet, probably. Longer would be better. Expensive, but done.

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I am embarrassed to say I didn't consider renting an e= xtension ladder after I didn't visually see one at Home Depot. You'= re right--someone will probably rent me one.

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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:34 AM Mark Mi= ller <markmiller@threebo= ysfarm.com> wrote:
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I rented a 40 foot extension ladder when I needed to get to the top of a chimney for some repairs; it was $50 a day.=C2=A0 Go up with a non contact voltage detector (answers the switched/ motion sensed,=C2=A0 breaker, etc. questions) and bring the bulb down.=C2=A0 I am guessing i= f one bulb burned out the other did as well and they were both ignored.=C2=A0 I recommend renting a ladder that can do the job or renting the scaffolding you want and do both jobs the same day or weekend.


Regards,

Mark Miller=C2=A0=C2=A0 707-490-5834
markmiller@threeboy= sfarm.com

On 2/15/2019 7:46 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote:
> 1. H= ow to change a light bulb (Scott Hall) > I keep thinking there's a joke in there and I just can't find = it. >=20 > New house has two...commercial-esque light fixtures pointing out over > the back yard. They don't work and I assume it's the bulbs be= cause I > had to switch all the other bulbs in this house, so why not those > too? Plus they're probably expensive (so the previous owner wouldn= 't > have wanted to do it), and (the real reason for my question): >=20 > They're about 38-ish feet off the ground. Bolted to the side of th= e=20 > chimney. My extension ladder is 32 feet, and even if Home Depot sells > something longer I'm not excited about paying $400+ for it. >=20 > My thoughts now to get this done (in no particular order) are: >=20 > 1) rent scaffolding. This is attractive because I want to change the > ceiling fan in the living room as well and that ceiling is only a > few feet lower than the outside light fixtures. I could do both in > one day. I'm not sure how else I'd get up to that thing. >=20 > 2) buy the longest extension ladder I can find. I think I'll need = 40 > feet, probably. Longer would be better. Expensive, but done.

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--000000000000afa96c058247b95a-- --===============7180993447951587835== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7180993447951587835==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 16:22:47 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4406258934D for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:22:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM03-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092007063.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.7.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A53258A105 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:04:14 -0700 (MST) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Qh0p1Li52RDUmxhzbmJLwnBA6TSr6aZd7uz7kzGW3oY=; b=Fsakqz3W6O5tgM2ltuVjO22i33VncplFwMM96HSzbCL2PTUX3URjbSrw2nkEsA2WMu4L0YMRsDVCbWfNR9+6+NvxNdGQX6oOMSX5zLuXoq/xN4ggSWveiuErq2vAftvm+UvBv0VPSEczvK+X0f3NWA1UHuUfANd4qpw8PkWKVGKXuR+VZu0W7iyQD7pvFrkXSHFZrVWyKFynrpeJiVMiEqdzhCSPF0v4yYFEcl9HBDPnJqzhH1toClkcDHlqlUnotjeVM/IUK+jxVy4u+IVb10lilSg/IYYI09NqNKMQz+DXsg+GsxtNW57SVrH1302+8bnwjmXUXDMWg7iZMC8ziA== Received: from DM3NAM03FT028.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.82.60) by DM3NAM03HT083.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.83.0) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.13; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:04:07 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.82.58) by DM3NAM03FT028.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.82.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.13 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:04:07 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e4cf:eb29:3016:b40e]) by CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e4cf:eb29:3016:b40e%8]) with mapi id 15.20.1665.006; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:04:07 +0000 To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: 100% off the wall and off topic question Thread-Index: AQHUyjEjIPCQiXokB0WM+eD7WhfJ3A== Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:04:07 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:0B1B64DB6B6775D94F96D5C7FAF95A144DE094DFD0A66B3F8F0AA2D7199B6B77; UpperCasedChecksum:AB8E4C093788E8ACA01FCE4EFD598A92DDE85BCFDDAE3523BFD6109EF4BA75EF; SizeAsReceived:6599; Count:41 x-tmn: [oqNqiPfb+r2cq+mtvYGVvoqMVWAR2Twm] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 41 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(20181119070)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:DM3NAM03HT083; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM3NAM03HT083: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 88MT5jXxOZytg5XSbGIECpJS/EWiEBpL6ejoVub3U/n3HZiKdKILLlkqET79JnXE Subject: [Shop-talk] 100% off the wall and off topic question From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1938298528979099971== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB13026DC3C830834E0D389247B47E0CY4PR13MB1302namp_" --_000_CY4PR13MB13026DC3C830834E0D389247B47E0CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all possibl= y free, that can be used for reverse number lookup? Cheers tim --_000_CY4PR13MB13026DC3C830834E0D389247B47E0CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all possibl= y free, that can be used for reverse number lookup?

Cheers
tim
--_000_CY4PR13MB13026DC3C830834E0D389247B47E0CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============1938298528979099971== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1938298528979099971==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 18:05:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F892589CA4 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:05:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BC9258A527 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from DESKTOPTOA1F5G ([24.19.60.71]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id wxwGgKXMja1XowxwHgryKq; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:39:37 -0700 To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:39:37 -0800 Importance: Normal q4QCajBiDJVSQekpPJt1CdxdlqsewyJdzjmEi5vIcvWdSBvkO76wJZvxUcpm94WRYPsN8Q/5aN2xcLV5TD1YZX3kP2HWYg5KTxQ= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 100% off the wall and off topic question From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0193199234846236069== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01D4C9FB.A70F0260" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01D4C9FB.A70F0260 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly what type of number are you talking about? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA www.leatherplates.com From: Tim . via Shop-talk=20 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:04 PM To: Shop Talk=20 Subject: [Shop-talk] 100% off the wall and off topic question Does anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all = possibly free, that can be used for reverse number lookup? Cheers tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01D4C9FB.A70F0260 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Exactly what type of number are you talking about?
 
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Does=20 anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all possibly = free,=20 that can be used for reverse number lookup?   Cheers tim

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 5:34 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Does anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all possibl= y free, that can be used for reverse number lookup?

Cheers
tim
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sorry all,,,,guess I wasn't clear: I ask about phone number lookup. cheer

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 4:04 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] 100% off the wall and off topic question
 
Does anyone have a website that is reliable, accurate and if at all possibl= y free, that can be used for reverse number lookup?

Cheers
tim
--_000_CY4PR13MB13021C6E19D73C02CAC1FFA9B47F0CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============6660258854443229222== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6660258854443229222==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 19:02:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2F9258A0CE for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 19:02:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01DB258A215 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439894119FCC for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:08:45 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6175A64E05BE4D8DA36D368951AD09A6@DESKTOPTOA1F5G> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:08:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 100% off the wall and off topic question From: Mark J Bradakis via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/21/19 4:39 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA via Shop-talk wrote: > Exactly what type of number are you talking about? What's the frequency, Kenneth? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 00:05:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D31C258025B for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 00:05:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic308-12.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic308-12.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.187.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3E12589E64 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:14:34 -0700 (MST) t=1550898868; bh=Np7J+lyBSWALawotec4gemf/Q5IRJbbtvBInfrAwlLM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=qSwtvLKl4WnkXsP2u//KsHTO2b//KB4vBxa7U1TPScXRVEj7cIzfq3AHOtBHg+kXb1fqdKZEVpJXIAIAUsjs7ha2klpkubjDbH4rRHOOoC3fSQ70fIoX+8n7cESvG53G1DnHvdrsdQcVSmvvz90fsiUSktfes8GxOeLK8GkAeKSM/HaxO0qCkoUYv6qI3WfgRclC1gTarTb/drEA9W2zmtWfFwpp3wTM3EMSr45EI5OhQ1bvZD49jj/gKoONgNCTGzCW54azr7q9GzZEZbylAylLar5FMFHZiQN1OziUdksTsJcPu0K3knzBbmNudhw1LCqF6dvhnBFL4zbSqPp0dg== LErkwaL20NPGss3whFBMcxqO3NNfOH45ezzmeB3rEEIoKIpOy1WSuYEKEQiAlYU2TD_dJEXUNSH6 xEV0ISiK.AS48.ZerUEYXH8WTizwu1YaKfKWUgM2kI49b.J_3UglKqWccl7KK0VjyfTbRg4rjZXM 2bcz26zk8AYLxMbkFjSeUwu54Rt3ssBE7.wmEufnD8rhokpJtsrWpEe_bhBRlmTXBMwr6vOrXHD_ Nyt7I1eGZvgFYmOdK_0Dbtj5vuulJRbHROSk_s6XpPTVN5YWPYgZVMSQFBRGqzUNAH.01dDYZqCE 0Zk7ubc.1dkNSXBnaChC28i7nPEfdq1JWSMcx0qhMRLuTu1pFDNhHQVvX_RUhkPjyfiIjcNvMA_n g.ICJ0_SrlL6HsZTqffTEcCqh2FSfeucVXIDkjM9Tr4_udvXXftx6lhPSONigAqmyaFi6QM9h0e2 tMf_AooE06siBuGSwL_IpBLKWYCAoMPhLvHZv0vw..Fcfou9HVMqabTbJ_HAGEx89uHl_o9sP3Hr C6fcyYG70nj2k1X3iVJjkg1uuyJypZnULgMOkVbwN1oA8dZ9UQaB2Feg3m9stMl.cLwhtznJhhKy 1zuC07RAG0pTfgXtDY_9qxliCSSSSQjOJ8w4DLqt66VyayhTtXK7yami81YzKeLt6hoVpHqmVpXh t1IKttVYAf.7mOhYxg2puwgvJx9HiQvLNm5vmVanIC2s.zCtn.NtKEtx0JUvxutXJpMLpNAbMjIY wJFmlgTEKRu8tvtTASbkQP2v9aS40iCE3n0R8rNJwzkuf0iwm.B45GDts703gqPfHgLZd8_BRzTN 1ifS.R2oMtFmQwx7ifIYbWQ5R7jGTEEZGaAV2w3qlcqqXh6WT3v.fMG4ryaHyPDtvuT.F3IJMpsd 001LZ9qIcC8o63nc8zceue45DIiv3T_97ceSs9vLZIWk_5ANKQDae6B8DkgmGGHmNKPyJWLhNKSy 3aIRvB3TxfWEMLyLPri1JC06ESy9K0FEiWznafK3polX94mfspTZNgtAffP1r Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:14:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:07:29 +0000 (UTC) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <534494657.3802491.1550898449096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/72.0.3626.109 Safari/537.36 Subject: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: Battmain via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2307323817352539070== boundary="----=_Part_3802490_391250479.1550898449095" ------=_Part_3802490_391250479.1550898449095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around = for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I f= ried something in the haste.=C2=A0 I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the reg= ulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differen= t models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 An= ybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could sub= stitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) )=C2=A0Pictu= re in the link...(that's the best I could get)=C2=A0https://i.imgur.com/FIf= JA4O.jpg I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try.=C2=A0 Brian ------=_Part_3802490_391250479.1550898449095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finally got around to installing an amplified= speaker I had sitting around for years.  It was supposed to be a simp= le install, but looks like I fried something in the haste. 
=
I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,  but = I think the regulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems the= re are different models of that regulator.  The amp is in a 12v applic= ation.  Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or w= hat I could substitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. = :) ) 
Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get)&nb= sp;https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg

I figur= e if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. 

Brian
------=_Part_3802490_391250479.1550898449095-- --===============2307323817352539070== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============2307323817352539070==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 04:48:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC042589BAE for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:48:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f49.google.com (mail-ot1-f49.google.com [209.85.210.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD625893A8 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:30:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f49.google.com with SMTP id q24so4162353otk.0 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 03:30:31 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ndSr/Z22y5+autJl1F+MtLBncvWhsYatJUKQ2m3UaLU=; b=XdykGCl2glCwu1DCjbWPL1RDwn/Sesff3/VI8AH1fK4A+tJClfUI84jCVKBTariTB7 P0Rsw79z8LhSxObSms3OPX8v0+8gh6TjCttVp67BXKvzjrX9Sy7wKh1A8c1FLHT1UdZk e1hEdTDh8LfHe+acXue3ru2wXvWI8nQOig4YSuSDWsGaavFirYinCDX9zmouie6F98Vn nOUOlRUvzpf1jrsNVexqHCSr1urrPUZ6P/tM9BwuI8zwJwhx2TE7ISbb/GlszxsffOx0 wQ4S/aE3JtAu+5bkPWDqc+wqUKNFqg9SjrgAv+in3X05Jw1MCOusZ1hW38zpYOTHo+z7 DH0w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ndSr/Z22y5+autJl1F+MtLBncvWhsYatJUKQ2m3UaLU=; b=V8l6D9j3CjW5BBNuv9EY2K/4G8vkURPCN4Ds8X0/91yDMjU/+o/dJaTZRq8T5STUUN CHpmqK4e7wd94FZEQMoodCGctRpiayhKTODZXp6Bc+FKxztPkB2Jh4p8oX80rqAg4zyl H0Du5hz7zivJm6JbQ9RvlVe0pjulfsWhC8rCnu4Vp0Z2X4Vg3Srnv3kyXc0Xu3u2iUgq IdHZIztx0X6s5c9blDGQOGPzuD3+PkzRdYiuriaIdMm+UicVQ6QCIxzvfiZ0DqETOmor cYLc2bvU9kXEkzQmSA/n4V2a3kQVvJIffThb2nkvaOEkJaA0qiJmSA4Kl88MkzCd3bjM rNGA== yCvt7krgmhWg5qKQMfQDzw6Rw4QNteEEDXGbcys= Sat, 23 Feb 2019 03:30:20 -0800 (PST) References: <534494657.3802491.1550898449096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <534494657.3802491.1550898449096@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 06:30:14 -0500 To: Battmain Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around for years. It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture, but I think the regulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are different models of that regulator. The amp is in a 12v application. Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could substitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 07:09:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3E22589ACE for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 07:09:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.188.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34022589806 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 06:35:59 -0700 (MST) t=1550928959; bh=JckRM99DUjZtkjJwYtaORKRXUHf1ZOCPydIowBNaDlw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=aqOvS3eMYA5CaYoIW4gVdoRutgkML7nvyRGaso44uZkKXkk3W38fqpHxXmpAu/T3F7JQ7Iy+dqtKEQBMAlwzV0Ay2Rm3xAahwNNRvMDa7IeF5ErOzO5sqwp3NzdlJkzPbNo7Zp8T6xejCLzOxr+O/HkaTUZ2Swjdzqxfrp8JWB/GVSXOlHXsPp/NJlnX4EOQRTkQCfw6yuxmjmRPdJDKQr842aF0eYxp9pKSVOg7cnVAEuLD5bAjLiZsQT+U/f2YboogAUKEYqexA7O86o1QTdCnb1L8wQh/dUTkzeVffOKIWW/k9v43uJdZfonDTKus5PnFHhrCzDm1YDvMdzCqxA== wi68uHU6PICBJJzoN3jANVvavCKyq8b3R6q5.mSZpZFxlJMppRL0SaD.DILMktMvMYP37t8FBnfi sIejXVlIt1QeLK1MOZC0de4ytWhkTc4KO28eE2qjJ33742_ZHx_kkPkOmO5trjvr9WEUkJWUr8C6 N55.3PA4XTtjfjJmYaCd71Qh3dcFxfXZHlyLcnOTPwrVTkEG4sTCHqUGMvDZWkPXg1wbd2Afvbg4 tFdMNc2FVe1tjlB8bgov26n1dy4dFgFNcdtoxteMKYTeTGmtxZWRPExzOaM68nzIfzBV1bYToQjH 06HW6hjX_T1DGbbCTaNbOaIpgcLOZ4wKR_OQZAVaLUXTrgTKe2F5PmAQxC7NVDA39dGZ42_fHmuh hIvo7FOhuptRZyo2mMQojeB.9Ebp5N19W_.RPLltCyckRn36LelFlUIqepfnBWpmm3osGtHc8PX6 g3if0msD5bzkLVMXQKIhk_egmbX717KqaNB6aZLaJle7_x_uBxR1.AoyZoRZs7JF8jTQvYmnyIqw KQqJj8XcSrxHscFr6edQwNmdU7oeGgTYCAtXe2Vp.qZYjEzfcuh7dStNAWpRzx42PoLr2Ek1kKG2 i0NU_m5FK3V5OVxCJwpHiJjjNzFXGWEisYXXvccd.Fq4FpgcBE.SGmKgtvtZGv0QCy5_sADqSMo5 gcdIbPLK3uWW8RoDm..tsSD3hsXwHeJRr.8ExEM2EaDTWknRvy1K8lsepwO.zOWXGhOdlniO9OeX uziei5i1w16qPSu5rAy99ide7c5QFxv.nrOsArZMROVPZ7esZMM_tdi4erPITcK5hJnSzruH5Tc8 iyKlkMHa1dEwLr2kbdTHUSkRPQBAqJPOmK6Seam228DMpykklOgm73XJLs4f7qOMmv5OVY.1W.4H Lr5EtovIdg7a4q4q5qONiCcNNXRN4Da0o.xwwVJKxf94K4cpPe5.3rMlRgBiSE6CeRXMNQ.Y9sAt 9lqWJ86OCtLGyV2AqtCUrJlMd_dPuPApddb2Vxo2E0r6FIY5RtL8nLxA0iYWkvFcaxPozfNiwJ36 U Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:35:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:35:58 +0000 (UTC) To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <534494657.3802491.1550898449096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <534494657.3802491.1550898449096@mail.yahoo.com> x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/72.0.3626.109 Safari/537.36 Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: Battmain via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1166613464672914676== boundary="----=_Part_3865029_60105026.1550928958744" ------=_Part_3865029_60105026.1550928958744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site...MC7= 805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet alldatasheet.com MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, MC7= 805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... | | | They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...htt= p://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume pot on= it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: =20 =20 How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting aroun= d for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I= fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the r= egulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differ= ent models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 = Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could s= ubstitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/F= IfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishp= late@gmail.com > =20 ------=_Part_3865029_60105026.1550928958744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did look up that model, however, here is an example from thi= s site...
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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<= br clear=3D"none">>
> Finally got around to install= ing an amplified speaker I had sitting around for years.  It was suppo= sed to be a simple install, but looks like I fried something in the haste.<= br clear=3D"none">>
> I already picked up the capac= itor in the picture,  but I think the regulator might be fried also ba= sed on the burn marks.Seems there are different models of that regulator.&n= bsp; The amp is in a 12v application.  Anybody have any ideas as to wh= at model regulator it is? (or what I could substitute it with? Will be gett= ing it from that auction site. :) )
> Picture in the l= ink...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/= FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I= throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try.
>>
> Brian

= > _______________________________________________
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Some models of the regulator have variable o= utput as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should stay consta= nt for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on it, was wonde= ring if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or just stick with= a fixed output? Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne wrote: =20 =20 This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number= indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0 Peace,=C2=A0Pat Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site...MC7= 805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet alldatasheet.com MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, MC7= 805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... | | | They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...htt= p://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume pot on= it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: =20 =20 How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting aroun= d for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I= fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the r= egulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differ= ent models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 = Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could s= ubstitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/F= IfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishp= late@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk xas@icloud.com =20 ------=_Part_3920944_145138588.1550934715322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


Brian<= /div>





<= /div> =20
=20
On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Hor= ne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:


This chip is= a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number indicates th= at it is a 5v fixed regulator. 

Peac= e, 
Pat

Pat Horne 
We = support Habitat for Humanity



They list multiple models of that chip. The one I thin= k is closest is...
because of the varia= ble output.  The amp does have level/volume pot on it. The other datas= heets in the list do not show a variable output.

Brian


=20
=20
On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, Feb 2= 3, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I = had sitting around for years.  It was supposed to be a simple install,= but looks like I fried something in the haste.
>
> I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,  = but I think the regulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems= there are different models of that regulator.  The amp is in a 12v ap= plication.  Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (= or what I could substitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction si= te. :) )
> Picture in the link...(that's the best I co= uld get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, i= t wouldn't hurt to try.
>
>
> Brian

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=
On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:07 AM Batt= main via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net> wrote:
Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


I'm pretty sure it's the same component either way...you= can create circuits such that the output is adjustable, but the component = is the same.=C2=A0 I can't see the datasheet you reference, though.
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Peace, 
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity=


On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM,= Battmain via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this= site...

=

MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet

alldatasheet.com

MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT man= ual, MC7805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec...


<= br>
They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is clo= sest is...
because of the variable output.  The amp does have level/= volume pot on it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable ou= tput.

Brian


=20
=20
On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sca= rbrough <fishplate@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:


How about LM7805CT?
=

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Finally got around to installing an a= mplified speaker I had sitting around for years.  It was supposed to be= a simple install, but looks like I fried something in the haste.
>
> I already picked up the capacitor in the p= icture,  but I think the regulator might be fried also based on the bur= n marks.Seems there are different models of that regulator.  The amp is= in a 12v application.  Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulat= or it is? (or what I could substitute it with? Will be getting it from that a= uction site. :) )
> Picture in the link...(that's the b= est I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I throw $5 at it in part= s, it wouldn't hurt to try.
>
>> Brian

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= --Apple-Mail-D83D5E39-B43D-4347-9E87-6F105D60FE0C-- --===============7817598452985519297== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7817598452985519297==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 18:08:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7832588E9B for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 18:08:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f67.google.com (mail-ot1-f67.google.com [209.85.210.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A05F25879E3 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 09:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f67.google.com with SMTP id n8so4479342otl.6 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 08:30:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xSeoSmz10HY51oV/LNNCiZqv7sgGtfTh5/cvLXS5ym8=; b=ZH1vUPKx852Isqg1IZ2G6S7vC/Y9M/ZgMqSCLSm4lRP87wJ/ndMUSUmMrtvmnUdAjY zQ/KXMNCko7sdQLIFzM+mdYjX/dZLpmxy4jBmSPjR94dcPAsSTAZQ7T22zGECWYK9QAO tG02J12rt8yT4IBCnqiYJYZ1M3fXWQY6TU3t+NZZkbn+01EVwUO+gWypAS/YRwRgFAA+ vKxW/JsnwtOC2wzLv/jqaJo0YEuzMWkubZKU0+KeAjwd7hq8Am+1YPszooRwXKVbfoyn 7bqXLunlKeTLosef7zWvToIalbDnqt3VJ7pLL7bT54LCcxdq4bFDX3IN1ayaR9ZufO0K xw6g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xSeoSmz10HY51oV/LNNCiZqv7sgGtfTh5/cvLXS5ym8=; b=LXcQTRyhiuK192kbrHv59gdeZg/ljhMG/W+S8tUxwyX9Tnd6d+keRGzIIctOm/uvAy AgPFOlTFdIbW6GEarT3HEl7Ev+MAmGHtQlSfdmDS6NGzKgPoSBH+feo2Mpxp9czdgQ/b 07s0XMsF4+V0xOQBduIX2y1ekiRjgcWPQ1wiKBppjQDKLESMLs6vgC8T2WkzSg69Sluf 3lLi6CSWEe8sYKyFkWUUhfttoV6Y6nEs7VF364AcxYpcn7XK1LRgMNdK//dI2eY88UUn yl/IvLREZ3VBRn/bDxHhn9p1brBd8dvYwPMukktDnraUQrNMIp6fvH8H0EsUrYhrku+d ACXg== jAvRJkzuHy3uP3yhdEoW7uwWZvgyp1XV8rJrBwM= Sat, 23 Feb 2019 08:29:52 -0800 (PST) References: <534494657.3802491.1550898449096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <534494657.3802491.1550898449096@mail.yahoo.com> <427449274.3865030.1550928958746@mail.yahoo.com> <80DF2FB0-B2E0-49FD-B84A-ABF87ADFF9C9@icloud.com> <1991051101.3920945.1550934715325@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 10:29:40 -0600 To: Battmain Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: John Innis via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3598234482545617379== --0000000000008a37f605829237f9 A 7805 is a fixed regulator. There are other parts in the linear SERIES that are variable output, but if it has a 7805 part number, it will always output a fixed 5v. On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows > different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have > variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should > stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on > it, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or > just stick with a fixed output? > > > Brian > > > > > > On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne < > patintexas@icloud.com> wrote: > > > This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number > indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site... > MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet > > > MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet > > alldatasheet.com > > MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, > MC7805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... > > > > They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is... > > http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html > because of the variable output. The amp does have level/volume pot on it. > The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. > > Brian > > > On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough < > fishplate@gmail.com> wrote: > > > How about LM7805CT? > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk > wrote: > > > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting > around for years. It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I > fried something in the haste. > > > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture, but I think the > regulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are > different models of that regulator. The amp is in a 12v application. > Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could > substitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) > https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg > > > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > > > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --0000000000008a37f605829237f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A 7805 is a fixed regulator.=C2=A0 There are other parts i= n the linear SERIES that are variable output, but if it has a 7805 part num= ber, it will always output a fixed 5v.=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10= :08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


Brian<= /div>





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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Hor= ne <patintexa= s@icloud.com> wrote:


This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. T= he part number indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0

Peace,=C2=A0
Pat

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for H= umanity


On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I did look up that model, however, here is an example from thi= s site...
=

MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alld= atasheet

alldatasheet.com

MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manu= al, MC7805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec...



They list multiple models of = that chip. The one I think is closest is...
=
because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume p= ot on it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output.

Brian

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Ba= ttmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@aut= ox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Fi= nally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around fo= r years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I fri= ed something in the haste.
>
> I = already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the regul= ator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are different = models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 Anyb= ody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could subst= itute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) )
> Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't h= urt to try.
>
>
> Brian

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--0000000000008a37f605829237f9-- --===============3598234482545617379== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3598234482545617379==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 20:13:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919632588EE0 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:13:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11B52588C79 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 17:52:22 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:13:24 -0500 02/24/2019 07:52:22 PM, Serialize complete at 02/24/2019 07:52:22 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3413285768357586393== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005E9D46852583AB_= Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommendation. Stay with me. So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.) So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench. So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4. I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so it will not be used a ton. Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand names.) Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005E9D46852583AB_= Ok,  I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommendation.  Stay with me.


 So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)

So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.  One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.  Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.  I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the experts.  I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.  I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4.

I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so it will not be used a ton.

Any ideas?  Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't outrageous.  (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand names.)


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005E9D46852583AB_=-- --===============3413285768357586393== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3413285768357586393==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 22:32:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F612588DA0 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:32:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f176.google.com (mail-oi1-f176.google.com [209.85.167.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB1E2580805 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 21:02:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f176.google.com with SMTP id a81so6155086oii.11 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:02:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/w7Ug/NZJOj6pBNGBv3eyxNwwdM4k/+y6Pt8F58nD3k=; b=CaDfWNxjA2YqGf31khs1Sq60fvg9FVTsDqC8DCX8R5HPMvVelSWBMBprqzvzXbdBoT uHnyCIAOntwtx0TQQxY0xm3bbcP52nARvHhGEEcYKwjpL2AgWE+ZC803MiX487CVwHfe XUwu3AM+ys2jQUUgAH2UsBhoRb0aY5BpkPHAvTQBOlDVeYV5E8URhWGdUNlVV+Vq3bWs YDQ3j8I/K55TOBF+NFPtSGx4v8yXFlHwIi+xY3JxX8Q7kwpZ7ALh7kMs+VRuhAd31bsO 010JFLpszWY0ae0A7ZTskhjZmig6oYIIUu6NoTzthQ0CIVw+mCIWRDRaLIhHW9m5CD/O KhHQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/w7Ug/NZJOj6pBNGBv3eyxNwwdM4k/+y6Pt8F58nD3k=; b=hpGzAU5dKXCHb9GJ5vF7+Fx5xlnQaBmUG9jdTREBfCy2bc8BFigy7Z30D3sbm22PWa DlD6bRmHaQsz8th5q3nfkgixjxMas0xCZMPXCYy5yG4mpNHh8u3YYuW07drVcB2zFTNA sIKRhCMG5seJztECv1QJRa+kDyMV7LMvHMH2NCyDIOz++cyK5jbPEP5XgXlJOZY2zhUy t1MD0opt24aHVrHPN07zLUK2/QmJJyYKiMgvTTRv2Fmbxg6WeK6TS0kLocyXemQ/8Jl3 P4MLAPPzhPCy0vGZz7Gc8/j2NAn2ejw//fUwngxu+8jbw7leYb4T/DNvrENPtLnPaAm4 RxfQ== cfhuue6phKVPC4cdTLVSxL1AWKLctuEV4tY0dRp0PQ== Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:02:20 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1019528227651775936== --00000000000088e36d0582b002ae My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't met the nut it won't turn. I assume they still make its bigger brother if you need to, I don't know, flip the truck over by torquing the axle. I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upscale line of torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy one just to see if it's that good. Scott On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool > recommendation. Stay with me. > > > So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke > diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every > single record for it.) > > So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of > the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the > mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to > eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more > powerfully impact wrench. > > So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact > wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up > to 3/4. > > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, > so it will not be used a ton. > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over > priced brand names.) > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --00000000000088e36d0582b002ae Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn&#= 39;t met the nut it won't turn.

I assume they still make its bigger brother if you need to, I don'= ;t know, flip the truck over by torquing the axle.
<= br>
I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Fre= ight upscale line of torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tem= pted to buy one just to see if it's that good.
<= br>
Scott

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On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric---= via Shop-talk <shop-talk@au= tox.team.net> wrote:
Ok, =C2=A0I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommen= dation. =C2=A0Stay with me.


=C2=A0So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)

So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.=C2=A0 One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.=C2=A0 Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the experts.=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.=C2=A0 I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4= .

I'm looking f= or a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so i= t will not be used a ton.

Any ideas?=C2=A0 = Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't ou= trageous. =C2=A0(Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand name= s.)


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--00000000000088e36d0582b002ae-- --===============1019528227651775936== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1019528227651775936==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 23:30:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A726258860E for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 23:30:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f193.google.com (mail-it1-f193.google.com [209.85.166.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4726725884D7 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 18:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it1-f193.google.com with SMTP id h6so10998898itl.1 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 17:02:14 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fltwADIbuyBiJ6FLjVAdvCvktxBdQW5g8NXaUeNpwrw=; b=DoBmNJcXJ3iRirQZaqBUrU22FQ1YpDqxSd/lTWKNZmmMPTweqab3RkJ1ZV7LuDYkiU O2UZX1/5x9azEsMkTkKxGdr/lUYTThWgw7uxThWu/HAZ6/p+ju4jpfQaYUI9MT9ga+7x fgV2jHDzWoTGqRRz1E66i371LqOZER79Mejd3G9eZ88a9a56C2/8KFSWUSwYD/YWcmhZ nB/TefCncDjnIklJcNzlLIS/VLqxtBi3AIglB+Uf2u4P98+XaxCG4kXAtC7fFsWaHqoj F/ReLX/hULN2I2LoUY57OlXnc/2Onl5zNa0kKIpYlywG9d0nSgYsXGU3MmTcmJongR9o X/uw== rhs1/PzTOwR9Nvi8CoYvQ8T8mr7FP/j38twjTuopDa8W f12mr5827682jaq.32.1550946695317; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) References: <534494657.3802491.1550898449096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <534494657.3802491.1550898449096@mail.yahoo.com> <427449274.3865030.1550928958746@mail.yahoo.com> <80DF2FB0-B2E0-49FD-B84A-ABF87ADFF9C9@icloud.com> <1991051101.3920945.1550934715325@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:31:23 -0500 To: Battmain Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: Trevor Boicey via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2208971166823972331== --000000000000d70f7e058293ea4f There are a lot of parts that will work there. As previously mentioned it's a 1 amp 5 volt regulator in a TO220 case. (TO220 is the case style with three pins and a heat sink tab with hole for a bolt to attach it to something metal to keep it cool) Extremely common and extremely cheap part. Makes nice clean 5V from any input voltage from about 6V to about 35V. Three pins are just "input voltage 6V-35V", "output voltage 5V", and ground. Digikey for that voltage and case shows the ubiquitous 7805 as well as compatible variations up to 5A: https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/pmic-voltage-regulators-linear/699?k=&pkeyword=7805&sv=0&pv1779=56&sf=0&FV=40203a%2Cffe002bb&quantity=&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&pageSize=25 Any part designated 7805-anything should work. It likely blew up because something else shorted, but if the shorting was temporary then it might just need replacing. Suggestion: Buy a few because they are much cheaper than postage will be, about 50 cents each at Digikey in quantity <10. Solder in a new one and see if it works or blows up again. If it blows up again, look for shorts around the device and fix those before blowing up another one. Repeat until it's working or you lose interest. On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM Battmain via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows > different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have > variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should > stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on > it, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or > just stick with a fixed output? > > > Brian > > > > > > On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne < > patintexas@icloud.com> wrote: > > > This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number > indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site... > MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet > > > MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet > > alldatasheet.com > > MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, > MC7805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... > > > > They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is... > > http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html > because of the variable output. The amp does have level/volume pot on it. > The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. > > Brian > > > On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough < > fishplate@gmail.com> wrote: > > > How about LM7805CT? > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk > wrote: > > > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting > around for years. It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I > fried something in the haste. > > > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture, but I think the > regulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are > different models of that regulator. The amp is in a 12v application. > Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could > substitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) > https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg > > > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > > > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/trevor.boicey@gmail.com > > --000000000000d70f7e058293ea4f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are a lot of parts that will work t= here. As previously mentioned it's a 1 amp 5 volt regulator in a TO220 = case. (TO220 is the case style with three pins and a heat sink tab with hol= e for a bolt to attach it to something metal to keep it cool)

Extremely common and extremely cheap part. Makes nice clean 5V from a= ny input voltage from about 6V to about 35V. Three pins are just "inpu= t voltage 6V-35V", "output voltage 5V", and ground.

Digikey for that voltage and case shows the ubiquitous 780= 5 as well as compatible variations up to 5A:


Any part designated 7805-anyth= ing should work.

It likely blew up because somethi= ng else shorted, but if the shorting was temporary then it might just need = replacing.

Suggestion: Buy a few because they are much cheape= r than postage will be, about 50 cents each at Digikey in quantity <10. = Solder in a new one and see if it works or blows up again.

If it blows up again, look for shorts around the device and fix th= ose before blowing up another one.

Repeat until it's working or = you lose interest.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM Battmain via= Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.= team.net> wrote:
Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


Brian<= /div>





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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Hor= ne <patintexa= s@icloud.com> wrote:


This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. = The part number indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0

Peace,=C2=A0
Pat

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for= Humanity


On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

I did look up that model, however, here is an example from thi= s site...
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They list m= ultiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...
because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does h= ave level/volume pot on it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a = variable output.

Brian

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate= @gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, = Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.te= am.net> wrote:
>
> Finally= got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around for yea= rs.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I fried so= mething in the haste.
>
> I alrea= dy picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the regulator = might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are different model= s of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 Anybody h= ave any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could substitute= it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) )
> Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt = to try.
>
>
>= ; Brian

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I've borrowed the IR 2145QIMAX and I think it has 1350 ft./lbs. of reverse torque, but needs 3/4" sockets or an adapter to use your 1/2". - Ian On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:32 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't met the nut it > won't turn. > > I assume they still make its bigger brother if you need to, I don't know, > flip the truck over by torquing the axle. > > I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upscale line of > torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy one just to > see if it's that good. > > Scott > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a >> tool recommendation. Stay with me. >> >> >> So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke >> diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every >> single record for it.) >> >> So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of >> the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the >> mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to >> eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more >> powerfully impact wrench. >> >> So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact >> wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up >> to 3/4. >> >> I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to >> job, so it will not be used a ton. >> >> Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end >> ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over >> priced brand names.) >> >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >> Tech Viper >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --0000000000006162d20582b65732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll 2nd the IR 2131 (60= 0 ft./lbs. of torque in reverse and 450 ft./lbs. of forward torque) should = do the trick and for particularly tough nuts I pop off the air hose and put= a few drops of impact gun oil in it to boost the efficiency (I swear that = has worked).=C2=A0 I've borrowed the IR 2145QIMAX and I think it has 13= 50 ft./lbs. of reverse torque, but needs 3/4" sockets or an adapter to= use your 1/2".=C2=A0=C2=A0
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On Mon= , Feb 25, 2019 at 12:32 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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My IR 21= 31 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't met the nut it won= 9;t turn.

I assume they still = make its bigger brother if you need to, I don't know, flip the truck ov= er by torquing the axle.

I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upscale line of torqu= e wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy one just to se= e if it's that good.

Scott

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team= .net> wrote:
Ok, =C2=A0I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommen= dation. =C2=A0Stay with me.


=C2=A0So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)

So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.=C2=A0 One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.=C2=A0 Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the experts.=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.=C2=A0 I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4= .

I'm looking f= or a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so i= t will not be used a ton.

Any ideas?=C2=A0 = Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't ou= trageous. =C2=A0(Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand name= s.)


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--0000000000006162d20582b65732-- --===============4091467342597480471== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4091467342597480471==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 05:50:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BD22588E85 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 05:50:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391C62588DA3 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 04:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id q1so9571002wrp.7 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 03:49:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=txbt4AQxTx1EW48pmd/QcASmjnVL++jvIKM9kTDnRB4=; b=n+uJoS3E5KRbvz24ONpzu63WnXjIajwEQkEYonFHUSR0rJJcwZAvTKWA4/e7P/Edhi WqYf5mqlNNq2cbujMuvW3bQdkCmvTL2nbJwYH/kUfZUO1V/DIEBS8OkcwtXx4ymTyBj+ RPOiYut5tgRceb7TbgeYZqgMdXGO3Umfb9gWjZ05W+ybqKzjrt9QhRCYvafm6/KeDmBC P/nSI3+Z0CqJGADlOuw+/OYRwb6n14+E7N2iEVwA2mgjotxnYRG+p6U0vgLH6+vxGtWt la2zfnwmz+Xb6tg0ifYxghMUw9iUImUEKWUCC8BpnwcdUJgjhMTCs2GrKem2MWBBJgmP ujNw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=txbt4AQxTx1EW48pmd/QcASmjnVL++jvIKM9kTDnRB4=; b=cs7BLrvxbIs8hWgtUjVfhVA3zd1Q+FZafoy36toWXxJsBZHUbwViixUtGmzyOwiwcK GD0MjHA2wfYsVUfnXqRrQaGOayrube9fKQ9f4YomPpLtv/75W+a8aXQ0BiaiQQKIZWII wI6oMCVPKhxERdJqqC1VU0mL/GDNNp6YKpSvvjBNXK9NJe0nb026QXN8Xd7k1WEByGFD HpFmxJUws8RHoumWgPV+aEk9+4virkRwniyYpKwhLPVubi6Bflhgqy5wll5iW1+G5ALN drAbg7xufAUqSG4/3F8cCfQs88kvaama7i+/zp/LDBMTgCVoEFGRDVOVp/OcaENtsyID MhRw== JWFuEehk7gydoWEPojKkmEeyDgiyuLB4maCmIxstsQ== Mon, 25 Feb 2019 03:49:05 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 06:49:40 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Larry Spector via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3778739255723280603== --000000000000155cf00582b6870b I've had the same result with my IR 2135ti. It's also pretty lightweight for the power it has. -Larry On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:43 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't met the nut it > won't turn. > > I assume they still make its bigger brother if you need to, I don't know, > flip the truck over by torquing the axle. > > I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upscale line of > torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy one just to > see if it's that good. > > Scott > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a >> tool recommendation. Stay with me. >> >> >> So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke >> diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every >> single record for it.) >> >> So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of >> the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the >> mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to >> eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more >> powerfully impact wrench. >> >> So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact >> wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up >> to 3/4. >> >> I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to >> job, so it will not be used a ton. >> >> Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end >> ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over >> priced brand names.) >> >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >> Tech Viper >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lspector@gmail.com > > --000000000000155cf00582b6870b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had the same result with my IR 2135ti. It= 9;s also pretty lightweight for the power it has.

= -Larry

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:43 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote= :
My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't met the n= ut it won't turn.

I assume= they still make its bigger brother if you need to, I don't know, flip = the truck over by torquing the axle.

I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upscale l= ine of torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy on= e just to see if it's that good.

Scott

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk= <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net> wrote:
Ok, = =C2=A0I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommen= dation. =C2=A0Stay with me.


=C2=A0So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)

So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.=C2=A0 One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.=C2=A0 Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the experts.=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.=C2=A0 I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4= .

I'm looking f= or a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so i= t will not be used a ton.

Any ideas?=C2=A0 = Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't ou= trageous. =C2=A0(Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand name= s.)


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--000000000000155cf00582b6870b-- --===============3778739255723280603== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3778739255723280603==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 07:34:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD1B25875BE for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:34:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED0A2589007 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 06:56:35 -0700 (MST) References: <27470E6243044A8BAB2373064AD86D6F@RYPC> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:56:34 -0500 02/25/2019 08:56:35 AM, Serialize complete at 02/25/2019 08:56:35 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3521248401863617446== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004C94E4852583AC_= Thanks for all the recommendations. I just ordered the Ingersoll Rand 2235TiMAX Drive Air Impact Wrench, 1/2 Inch, will be here tomorrow! I thought about the HF but finding the right one is difficult on their site (I hate that I say "AIR" wrenches in the search criteria and still get cordless ones. and the price of the IR wasn't that bad.) I'll let you all know when I get to put it through it's paces. Thanks again for all the advice. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004C94E4852583AC_= Thanks for all the recommendations.

I just ordered the Ingersoll Rand 2235TiMAX Drive Air Impact Wrench, 1/2 Inch, will be here  tomorrow!

I thought about the HF but finding the right one is difficult on their site (I hate that I say "AIR" wrenches in the search criteria and still get cordless ones.  and the price of the IR wasn't that bad.)

I'll let you all know when I get to put it through it's paces.

Thanks again for all the advice.


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-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 004C94E4852583AC_=-- --===============3521248401863617446== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3521248401863617446==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 07:53:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FBC2588F59 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:53:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f193.google.com (mail-oi1-f193.google.com [209.85.167.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBB8258807E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f193.google.com with SMTP id u128so7320653oie.2 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 06:02:26 -0800 (PST) d=maracing-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YypGb/DTwwKog7+AQCw1PbX0iV7SQqrZ3+EgU/3SB9I=; b=e8C/TbbBi8z71V2RTU39/zka6rI77uoPNpOIJ3n9g4zeciX/RKX5cwOOK13mgTvTjw KmlQe7Pyx33N603WEZ2Qb80hwraQCtJpZ7lBvkjEnzn1wQml0C/mAxfe9cjzl9nWZH9p gJ/iTW9M7092mQk8S4IK6JWGTzUtZaUuczwhe6gZNHwlFo4s4zj9KOwOgKiIbZqzn77N fe2lBVoWTpMOj+HXyu4Xr06dY1lsySB/Df0cLrIvMViVkNNZC+90J4ziDJxFs7TFX1cF krQYzXM+FzcJxQ5x2uDVwaIRwEGvWuuWC6qqDwoU3RCRMenkofCXQuzTAOvIyN/AlXF3 3T1w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YypGb/DTwwKog7+AQCw1PbX0iV7SQqrZ3+EgU/3SB9I=; b=RwQb5hnK0eXJ+kp2Vgzz8cOisyIADOllzKahEbcGwzx15tnvPPE0cx2idPhsBqPD8Y CnrEhrdaYC6279bF75UK0Nq425jYYslq41sjR/6fbPhfHwXnM6u+rc3pkRGi+VU9gvt9 EgvDxgLAFBwkDU3MNjnoiwCvk0JkibHYDcSjGg9ptU/Na91uDIavUqQwhPz/DHZhD8PV TBN3V6TMXTbf6SvlwDyzZB7weEuT+vTE6d6Eswb+2QHpfetU5S+qVdQvWms52T9smK7g KClhTmfqRyg5ZOFBcydBxHJ5LbAQ+pgs/nb2usTMa/MPn9QQjdSp+BLY+7Uknp02WrLb C4iw== HFynAxWISVHD9biMQVQ9bVpMCldnPhlt0VMovcPfizrZQkg= Mon, 25 Feb 2019 06:02:20 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:02:05 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Mark Andy via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4978158738028063775== --000000000000997f770582b863b1 Howdy, What's your current impact and what air pressure are you running it at? For 1/2", I have an IR 231 (? I think?) as well as an HF "EarthQuake". The HF gun seems more powerful, but either is more than happy to spin off the typical "140 ft-lb 1 ton truck lug nut". I typically run my shop air around 110psi or so. For our motorhome / really stubborn stuff, I have a 1" HF impact. I don't really have the air setup to use it at its full rating, but even with my standard setup it will knock off the ~600 ft-lb motorhome lug nuts. Its REALLY heavy though, so it only gets dragged out when the 1/2" guns aren't up to whatever the task is. Mark On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:12 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool > recommendation. Stay with me. > > > So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke > diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every > single record for it.) > > So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of > the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the > mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to > eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more > powerfully impact wrench. > > So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact > wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up > to 3/4. > > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, > so it will not be used a ton. > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over > priced brand names.) > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > -Who is John Galt? _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --000000000000997f770582b863b1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

What's your current impact a= nd what air pressure are you running it at?

For 1/2", I have an= IR 231 (? I think?) as well as an HF "EarthQuake".=C2=A0 The HF = gun seems more powerful, but either is more than happy to spin off the typi= cal "140 ft-lb 1 ton truck lug nut".=C2=A0 I typically run my sho= p air around 110psi or so.

For our motorhome / really stubborn stuff= , I have a 1" HF impact.=C2=A0 I don't really have the air setup t= o use it at its full rating, but even with my standard setup it will knock = off the ~600 ft-lb motorhome lug nuts.=C2=A0 Its REALLY heavy though, so it= only gets dragged out when the 1/2" guns aren't up to whatever th= e task is.

Mark

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:12 PM eric--- via = Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.t= eam.net> wrote:
Ok, =C2=A0I kn= ow this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommen= dation. =C2=A0Stay with me.


=C2=A0So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)

So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.=C2=A0 One of the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.=C2=A0 Well, the mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the experts.=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.=C2=A0 I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4= .

I'm looking f= or a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so i= t will not be used a ton.

Any ideas?=C2=A0 = Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't ou= trageous. =C2=A0(Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand name= s.)


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I know you said air impact but you may want to look into t= he Milwaukee M18 Fuel cordless impact.=C2=A0 They claim 1400 ft-lbs of torq= ue breaking and 1000 ft-lbs tightening.=C2=A0 I follow a couple heavy duty = mechanics groups and this cordless impact gets high scores with many guys p= referring it over their pneumatic.=C2=A0 There is even a 3/4" version = available.=C2=A0 I know I plan on replacing my 18V DeWalt with one once I h= ave the spare cash.

Joe

On Sun, F= eb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrot= e:

> Ok,=C2=A0 I know this is a new religious topic here, but I&#= 39;m looking for a tool
> recommendation.=C2=A0 Stay with me.
>=
>
>=C2=A0 So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 wi= th a powerstroke
> diesel. It only had one owner, and was well mainta= ined (he gave me every
> single record for it.)
>
> So I = am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service.=C2= =A0 One of
> the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes= .=C2=A0 Well, the
> mechanic that did this last had a really HD torqu= e wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to
> eventually get every nut off, but it m= ade it clear that I need a more
> powerfully impact wrench.
>> So I come to the experts.=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air= impact
> wrench.=C2=A0 I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen t= o any advice on moving up
> to 3/4.
>
> I'm looking f= or a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job,> so it will not be used a ton.
>
> Any ideas?=C2=A0 Price= isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end
> ones aren= 't outrageous.=C2=A0 (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes ove= r
> priced brand names.)
>
>
> Sent from my Commodo= re 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as benefice= nt as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being ar= e trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
>= Waldo Emerson=C2=A0=C2=A0
--000000000000037fd40582b91113-- --===============1905977573586638145== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1905977573586638145==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 09:39:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C9258915A for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com (biz177.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.208.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204CA2580AAE for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:12:05 -0700 (MST) s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/aEzZWJ8BwXHiuaHXp4Aefkbnzhia6NlgptgM6H5O3I=; b=NhLzbooX9dBgV/YAJL9N5uPMRe QhORWRsehH9HQAxR7tp6zxsR0vb2Mj7rXY9pT9Kt4fdtydNF6+Lgwpv4iyOPm1fMqkB2bU1yH6/3W p9DueOfyVISHqpiYSj1TfapakMIv3SDM6LMs+o0mipZiajRKOQWbA3kaTR4M0mn+oJ48xUy0QJYie ITaJe+DMu+BMeREw7JmvvMkHdMFEnLbtb4HW8A8ieqgQXP5xlHfxvy510A3YlfXBLknNw/Y0nwq2c ZP/aCc3740ry+MCm8quFD2hxihar2c3jlo5lZONYPNIHddjzKFzK35QOmSR3XUwmcJFIDN5loGJE6 AdP5Nm2w==; Received: from [142.179.85.19] (port=47128 helo=ranger.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gyHv5-005w5D-4r for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:12:04 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:11:50 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Content-Language: en-MW please include it with any abuse report shop@dillen.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Steve Dillen via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7040994769198470330== boundary="------------A72380B54A302FE0939B7113" Content-Language: en-MW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A72380B54A302FE0939B7113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is probably blasphemy on this list, bat a year or so ago I bought a Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun and have found it to be VERY good. I don't have to wait for my compressor to fill or to drag air lines around to use it. I originally bought it to remove the crankshaft nut on my daughter's Honda civic as my old gun wasn't up to the task and I'd read horror stories all over the net about how impossibly tight that nut is from the factory. Rusted spring hanger bolts were no problem when I replaced the axle on my utility trailer a few months ago. I think specs say something about 1100ft lb in reverse and 700 in forward. It's a bit bigger and heavier than an air wrench, but it ticks the boxes of being an expensive brand name cool toy! I think they may a 3/4" drive version as well. Steve On 2019-02-24 9:13 a.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote. > I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench. I prefer 1/2, but > I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4. > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to > job, so it will not be used a ton. > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes > over priced brand names.) > --------------A72380B54A302FE0939B7113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This is probably blasphemy on this list, bat a year or so ago I bought a Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun and have found it to be VERY good. I don't have to wait for my compressor to fill or to drag air lines around to use it. I originally bought it to remove the crankshaft nut on my daughter's Honda civic as my old gun wasn't up to the task and I'd read horror stories all over the net about how impossibly tight that nut is from the factory. Rusted spring hanger bolts were no problem when I replaced the axle on my utility trailer a few months ago.

I think specs say something about 1100ft lb in reverse and 700 in forward. It's a bit bigger and heavier than an air wrench, but it ticks the boxes of being an expensive brand name cool toy! I think they may a 3/4" drive version as well.

Steve

On 2019-02-24 9:13 a.m., eric--- via Shop-talk wrote.
I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4.
I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so it will not be used a ton.

Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand names.)

--------------A72380B54A302FE0939B7113-- --===============7040994769198470330== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7040994769198470330==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 10:15:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB23D2585DC5 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:15:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092003100.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.3.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57432588F4D for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:28:15 -0700 (MST) h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=A31dLSbmQlQ/jag4hSAq63xoL4htoiQFA3CvDZBiqzE=; b=EtDt77Ug30oms/Cb2ioTePDOl0MukXwHni2CX8nNW28t2H2BzqKqNmy3FZvAIhrZ0ilNFUc+wNXdxZSFrDygLenL9zMgpvatoEXemSnfe/zR4qStg08QLM1wHd/9TmsFH/8VtyGI6mVkSC7+O/fjwW+0Drj27dSZq5I5p6G/oVnGgw89WakM2wEjZaT+3SRJqmE+Hghds7E2l8IXrYj1CbyHp3gZn9k0ywGNPg/RJnKH7NfQgp0A+gnN4D5+qdRIR2xEZmFhLIY8+JN5dJ8keEhgSNxjmSpBXrttiPVRY1dGRgkbtzYfSvJLwnPNS9vOixuaDP/9Yib6DptmuJndmQ== Received: from SN1NAM02FT024.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.51) by SN1NAM02HT187.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.73.54) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:28:14 +0000 Received: from MWHPR0101MB2942.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.152.72.57) by SN1NAM02FT024.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.127) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1643.11 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:28:14 +0000 Received: from MWHPR0101MB2942.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::fd87:cf14:326c:c4e6]) by MWHPR0101MB2942.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::fd87:cf14:326c:c4e6%3]) with mapi id 15.20.1643.019; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:28:14 +0000 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) Thread-Index: AQHUzLi29Tlr6vuOb0axpYP9J+iqEKXv5F0AgACCkgCAADzNtA== Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:28:14 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:76C59C83C83E93CF04AAA6AE2A729971C98D489AA1F33026DF82626131FD249A; UpperCasedChecksum:1BFC684EE1BF5A76C6634F7F7F0BF22C209B3B58F89E05ADABF9538EACC8E86B; SizeAsReceived:7019; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [bqTrLwK/EaeqRSGvZRtPShmKHZ3cwehNYENvoKvABlM=] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT187; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM02HT187: x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: k+mwlHBm06Hb4p4GmN8f01H4FHqqLg9ABFYQi0dbm0gwzZITRF7VPTAPJiHwig/5 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4807000496456382445== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MWHPR0101MB2942D040A0606B007FF96183BB7A0MWHPR0101MB2942_" --_000_MWHPR0101MB2942D040A0606B007FF96183BB7A0MWHPR0101MB2942_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the IR Thunder Gun. 625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never been = disappointed. Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Larry Spect= or via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:49 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) I've had the same result with my IR 2135ti. It's also pretty lightweight fo= r the power it has. -Larry On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:43 AM Scott Hall via Shop-talk
I am using the IR Thunder Gun.  625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never = been disappointed.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Larry Spector via Shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:49 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty)
 
I've had the same result with my IR 2135ti. It's also pretty lightweig= ht for the power it has.

-Larry

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:43 AM Sc= ott Hall via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
My IR 2131 is maybe twenty years old now and still hasn't= met the nut it won't turn.

I assume they still make its bigger brother if you need t= o, I don't know, flip the truck over by torquing the axle.

I have heard excellent reviews of the Harbor Freight upsc= ale line of torque wrenches. I forget the name now but I'm tempted to buy o= ne just to see if it's that good.

Scott

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric-= -- via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Ok,  I know thi= s is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool recommendation.=  Stay with me.


 So I ended up = buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke diesel. It only had = one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every single record for it.)=

So I am starting to = do my "once over" before I put it in service.  One of the th= ing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.  Well, the mechani= c that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.  I managed to eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need = a more powerfully impact wrench.

So I come to the exp= erts.  I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact wrench.  I prefer = 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up to 3/4.

I'm looking for a to= ol to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, so it will not be us= ed a ton.

Any ideas?  Pri= ce isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end ones aren't outrage= ous.  (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over priced brand nam= es.)


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A friend bought one and we used it to do the entire front and rear ends on his wife's older Silverado. It's a no questions asked tool. If you can get it onto the nut/bolt, then it is going to turn. We started referring to it as "The middle finger of God." The only downside I could find was that it's fairly big so there are times you just can't get it into the space you'd want to. I'm impatiently waiting for Bosch to come out with a real competitor to it so that I can buy something compatible with the pair of chargers, big pile of batteries, and half dozen 18v Bosch tools that I already have. -Paul On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:40 AM Joe Szwed via Shop-talk wrote: > > I know you said air impact but you may want to look into the Milwaukee M18 Fuel cordless impact. They claim 1400 ft-lbs of torque breaking and 1000 ft-lbs tightening. I follow a couple heavy duty mechanics groups and this cordless impact gets high scores with many guys preferring it over their pneumatic. There is even a 3/4" version available. I know I plan on replacing my 18V DeWalt with one once I have the spare cash. > > Joe > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool > > recommendation. Stay with me. > > > > > > So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke > > diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every > > single record for it.) > > > > So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of > > the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the > > mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to > > eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more > > powerfully impact wrench. > > > > So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact > > wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up > > to 3/4. > > > > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job, > > so it will not be used a ton. > > > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over > > priced brand names.) > > > > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > > Tech Viper > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 11:15:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E242588615 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:15:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9872587B9B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:58:08 -0700 (MST) References: <76f4f878-e88e-cf17-52b1-4384fa92b556@dillen.ca> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:58:05 -0500 02/25/2019 11:58:13 AM, Serialize complete at 02/25/2019 11:58:13 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: eric--- via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8410158218967201582== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005D2EEE852583AC_= Steve writes about his Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun. I'm not against these for people to use, but I don't use it enough to justify another battery and charger and all that goes with it. I can see that every time I need it, I have to wait for a battery to charge. I bought a monster compressor and hard lined my shop just for the purpose of never worrying about air demands. If I did more of this HD work (or if the gun was more useful for general use,) I would consider it, but this is a 'last resort' tool, so it doesn't make sense for me. Thanks however for the input. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson -Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005D2EEE852583AC_= Steve writes about his Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun.


I'm not against these for people to use, but I don't use it enough to justify another battery and charger and all that goes with it.  I can see that every time I need it, I have to wait for a battery to charge.

I bought a monster compressor and hard lined my shop just for the purpose of never worrying about air demands.  

If I did more of this HD work (or if the gun was more useful for general use,) I would consider it, but this is a 'last resort' tool, so it doesn't make sense for me.

Thanks however for the input.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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-Who is John Galt? --=_alternative 005D2EEE852583AC_=-- --===============8410158218967201582== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8410158218967201582==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 12:11:36 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540522588BE2 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:11:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway36.websitewelcome.com (gateway36.websitewelcome.com [192.185.193.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7954B2588B68 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:42:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cm17.websitewelcome.com (cm17.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.20]) by gateway36.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA86B400C5ECD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:57:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com ([108.167.189.15]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id yKHAg66pm90onyKHAgR3BP; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:42:48 -0600 Received: from host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu ([128.111.216.187]:4803 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gyKHA-002Q87-Db for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:42:48 -0600 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:42:39 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Content-Language: en-US please include it with any abuse report [128.111.216.187]:4803 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Mike Rambour via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1609249248415856309== boundary="------------D45837650D22FEF03F1ABEDB" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D45837650D22FEF03F1ABEDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is there such a thing as too much torque ? Based on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out. I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger. mike On 2/25/2019 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote: > I am using the IR Thunder Gun. 625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never > been disappointed. > > Brian Warrick > Nampa, ID > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, you'll probably never need one again. --------------D45837650D22FEF03F1ABEDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Is there such a thing as too much torque ?

Based on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out. I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger.

mike

On 2/25/2019 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote:
I am using the IR Thunder Gun. 625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never been disappointed.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID



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A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it,
you'll probably never need one again.
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On Feb 25, 2019, at 09:11, Steve Dillen via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

This is probably blasphemy on this list, bat a year or so ago I  bought a Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun and have found it to be VERY good. 


I was talking to the owner of a pretty big shop (15 or so bays) a year or so ago. He said none of the techs under 30 had air tools.  They all use battery powered tools. He had to put in new outlet circuits where the off duty toolboxes are parked 

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Some intermediate amount (I don't remember what it was) and then all of it. We experimented with those modes a bit while we were busting loose crusty suspension bolts but eventually settled on using all of the torque all of the time. It does have one neat feature which is when it's set at high-torque it slows way down as soon as the fastener breaks loose so it doesn't fling it across the shop. I like that feature but wish it slowed down to a little bit higher pace than it does (It would break lugs free and then take longer than I'd like to finish spinning them off). -Paul On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:24 PM Mike Rambour via Shop-talk wrote: > > > Is there such a thing as too much torque ? > > Based on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out. I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger. > > mike > > On 2/25/2019 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote: > > I am using the IR Thunder Gun. 625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never been disappointed. > > Brian Warrick > Nampa, ID > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 15:17:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1242588C51 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:17:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com (mail-oi1-f178.google.com [209.85.167.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E8325881FF for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id b4so8264419oif.6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:33:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8qxc/0VDlWTyPPQwZV1e3glX2KHjKSl8uMwiiCpXSLE=; b=nwFsjtNsxZkR2oJsF8GM1NHKQ3iUFSvBgGaVLk0u1TuDrx3kz+u8S2CHoRa7xXe9wS KGgca9p9jl2PBqUVOtjSLQ3XmqTFSUOZ/T2gucdVOHHYIaXL6HRlZM5Yt+nwzZW23u08 XtsV5pTNrYddK8FTxT0FXpPlKQLA14Pewy+l7rqvc9lUYJ9LwnUsqa8c0tpeb59xssPC RgUf52gvqTi7G2wPUFX00XahyAg6SaF9iqV3t16wVjl41piExK8j3zTgew1O5i/bVHlY nDtoA0sI5O2/f0njtHoE3z6ld3CBpdVgtNjPayY3GT0ye/R8apPnlYeBvDL6mGhY49ic 9+ag== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8qxc/0VDlWTyPPQwZV1e3glX2KHjKSl8uMwiiCpXSLE=; b=eGEajq2Bs2aXL2VIKPmC/ydJmaFMpmfZRZj2shSbbCM4lK22e39zYNXvvxSHShisDE 4GXEWPL6Ml1vPai0/VZVczpYDlwdUjXVDwVknUL5fMjVlJgFtoUVMiusIZAJmpGKMfry DjxwFR72YMZkIG4FuhfkqJvrLoOQ05rJqbHQ5anLbov5nejPLVqKdIm01mySwj3kq9/y 4jplDKQlqXVzBeShGg7kXujTiuQZ/EkSrJ7XOskS2LNcDuEiWcMbD261VGK5zVFJZzpC 6Xn/LIRIMxx8mAeVwQ3vosTcx9oIttyOKOSLJkNu/BDSRCdHc/+0D1ucfmUROiSHque+ d7Pg== gtejabsLsyqyraqQhTwFXNR720mlfrF9vL+93aQCGQ== Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) References: <7943441e-d444-8a74-9dad-d04dcf41c4a6@dinospider.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:33:12 -0500 To: Mike Rambour Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:20 PM Mike Rambour via Shop-talk wrote: > > Is there such a thing as too much torque ? Oh, no doubt. > > I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger. Have you considered rebuilding it? If I recall correctly, there's not much in there but some o-rings and some vanes. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 15:31:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795C52588C80 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:31:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailback1.g2host.com [209.98.94.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84A72588BA1 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:49:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.203.175.175] (account arvidj@visi.com) by visi.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 6.2.6) with HTTP id 11251626; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:49:16 -0600 To: "Mike Rambour" , "Mike Rambour via Shop-talk" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:49:16 -0600 References: <7943441e-d444-8a74-9dad-d04dcf41c4a6@dinospider.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Arvid Jedlicka via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1635450792265437566== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I happen to have the Milwaukee 18 Fuel. As previously mentioned, it is a little bulky but gets the job done.

As far as 'too much torque' ...

I have other tools that I will use if I want to subtly sneak up on a fastener and gently remove it from its resting place without damaging the surroundings. This device pretty much guarantees you will shortly have all [or at least part] of the fastener in you hand and does not care what it has to break to accomplish that goal.

Most of the time I choose wisely, but occasionally ...

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:42:39 -0800
Mike Rambour via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>  Is there such a thing as too much torque  ?
>
>  Based on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for
>normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque
>and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out.  I have a IR2131 and there
>has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger.
>
>     mike
>


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Yes, the link a= bove is for the newer version:
  • 930 feet-pounds of maximu= m reverse torque
  • Nut-busting torque of 1350 feet-pounds

After buying it, I gave away my other = impact wrenches...

best,

doug<= /div>

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:20 AM Mike Rambour via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrot= e:
=20 =20 =20

=C2=A0Is the= re such a thing as too much torque=C2=A0 ?

=C2=A0Based = on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out.=C2=A0 I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger.
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 mike

On 2/25/201= 9 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote:
=20 =20
I am using the IR Thunder Gun.=C2=A0 625ft-lb reverse torque. I hav= e never been disappointed.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID



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--000000000000f3e7ad0582bd76d7-- --===============5287721078227944568== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5287721078227944568==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 16:33:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EEC2588C8D for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:33:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com [209.85.167.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC732588BBC for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:54:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id s16so8456240oih.9 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:54:07 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gxbke5D63MP2+JHeS8M0UlvyCzOwI7Hi5zqnW4dp1C8=; b=lazuGgb0tsTacKTv3+kuyBxX4xHMSPIA8bMpxNB6/ocjKXJt27iBg+j0nFdDC85Q2h P6qQkz0uemB/HM5/N3kq0kE+vT5hG8/zbjdzepbbAkcW+wULubnM4uWVbbgT1mQZhePY N/NxlahVaJ9rFwAAkrYnpNoASs0Qe2+Ip7xsa06A1BkDEi4heIYV9mv0noQ3zJW1raJj 2NpAv9tl5KY9hI//wn9Oe7mD2ip3P7ARagqQsm67rK9xLyIzbcjAFmaxqNPPRfBzPMN5 oQfTAVcCUdb7fPq8jXU8vGF9ShToZi2Q8RnonjyEagDZ9YhJ6PI2ZgqB5/hSw2qpIrJM 0qaw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gxbke5D63MP2+JHeS8M0UlvyCzOwI7Hi5zqnW4dp1C8=; b=Vf/NVRqffIgIz6UoKtCS2ZIoT9abcuyHbxwPHQN0mJ4Lyca6yOFLesj2+U6+KwckMQ /3P4DbXjMsC34udr+n7PQ1fFEA0gSUZupmn6xms7Im6DQGPo6gKLW1Kt6JvZbXwiSkAt a1UcEJmBWZngjvgzDdXKiApKOOz5DfL3UD7GkxAP/hXP6FBgYC0oh1eAIlf+FRP546p2 BdpGw+TtrYrhWTeuWo02XI/enM5CXdsC/RSfvHtN+uV1MQ6dk862TJbnmEbBOPgvjzpR fAIEw57qItePOFfA7+VKOmLwBVr7t+elfvazCGKWoRgC8RBSwn+9nt+KoejKVM7lQxkD 9yvQ== NecTa065sDwA7PxrKOjeBhbLwgluQ82m+ODWol9pWQ== Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:53:56 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:53:20 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8540428679572200233== --0000000000009b7c9b0582be231a Oh gosh. I didn't even think about cordless. So...maybe fifteen years ago I had a whole slew of Milwaukee 18v tools, among them an impact wrench. It didn't suck, but it wasn't impressive either. The batteries weren't anything to write home about and I lost several quickly and was always replacing them and they were expensive. I kind of wrote off the whole idea of cordless except for a (very) light duty drill/driver...which I never need, so I don't have one. Then, about a month ago when we got Snowpocalypse(TM) here (that's three inches in this area, for the uninitiated) my F250 rear tire just...exploded on the interstate. It was more the cold and the wind than the snow, and while I'm grumbling and crawling around the cab gathering tools (the jack and some of its tools live under one rear seat, other tools live under the other rear seat, the key for the spare wheel hoist is under every insurance card I've ever had--except the current one, of course--in the glove compartment, etc.) Triple-A pulls in in front me. I hadn't called Triple-A. I was perplexed. Dude jumps out, snatches a race jack and a plastic box from the back of his truck. Before I can say anything, he says, "looks like you're havin' some trouble, huh?" I nod. He yells, "I do this all day! Why don't you get the tire and I'll get your wheel off!" I'm already freezing my ass off, so I just grab the tire winch tools and get at it. Literally before I have the handle in the gear, he's got the jack under the axle and the truck is in the air. He pops open the plastic box and it's a Milwaukee Fuel impact and a set of sockets. My heart sinks--I'm already feeling bad for this guy in the cold trying to help, and how he's going to have to screw with this lightweight cordless impact on the F250-- The wheel's already off. It was like watching a NASCAR pit stop. Seriously. My 2131 can lag a little on those lug nuts before spinning them. The Fuel cordless just ripped them RIGHT THE HELL OFF. Damnedest thing I've ever seen. My jaw dropped. So now I'm cranking on the winch because we're waiting on *me* and he's got the rim in the bed and is trying not to look like I'm the limiting reagent here. I get the spare, he pops it on, and the damn thing zips the nuts on just about as fast. No lagging at all. No slow BAP-BAP-BAP as it snugs up. Sounded like a woodpecker, if the woodpecker was ten feet tall and angry at something. It's freezing, but I'm staring at The Impact Wrench of The Gods, just standing there. He sees me staring, grins, and says, "yeah, I love that thing! Have a great afternoon!" And then he was gone. The whole thing happened so quickly I was left wondering if it even happened at all. Anyway, I made a note to myself--which I forgot until now--to go out and buy one of those things, because goddamn was that thing amazing. I have no affiliation with Milwaukee, and I wasn't even aware there was a 'Fuel' line of cordless tools, but I will have that impact wrench. It was UNREAL. On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:31 AM Joe Szwed via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > I know you said air impact but you may want to look into the Milwaukee M18 > Fuel cordless impact. They claim 1400 ft-lbs of torque breaking and 1000 > ft-lbs tightening. I follow a couple heavy duty mechanics groups and this > cordless impact gets high scores with many guys preferring it over their > pneumatic. There is even a 3/4" version available. I know I plan on > replacing my 18V DeWalt with one once I have the spare cash. > > Joe > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk < > shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a > tool > > recommendation. Stay with me. > > > > > > So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke > > diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every > > single record for it.) > > > > So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of > > the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the > > mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to > > eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more > > powerfully impact wrench. > > > > So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact > > wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving > up > > to 3/4. > > > > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to > job, > > so it will not be used a ton. > > > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over > > priced brand names.) > > > > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > > Tech Viper > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." 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Oh gosh. I didn't even think about cordless.

<= /div>
So...maybe fifteen years ago I had a whole slew of Milwaukee 18v = tools, among them an impact wrench. It didn't suck, but it wasn't i= mpressive either. The batteries weren't anything to write home about an= d I lost several quickly and was always replacing them and they were expens= ive. I kind of wrote off the whole idea of cordless except for a (very) lig= ht duty drill/driver...which I never need, so I don't have one.

Then, about a month ago when we got Snowpocalypse(TM) her= e (that's three inches in this area, for the uninitiated) my F250 rear = tire just...exploded on the interstate. It was more the cold and the wind t= han the snow, and while I'm grumbling and crawling around the cab gathe= ring tools (the jack and some of its tools live under one rear seat, other = tools live under the other rear seat, the key for the spare wheel hoist is = under every insurance card I've ever had--except the current one, of co= urse--in the glove compartment, etc.) Triple-A pulls in in front me.
<= div>
I hadn't called Triple-A. I was perplexed.

Dude jumps out, snatches a race jack and a plastic box from= the back of his truck. Before I can say anything, he says, "looks lik= e you're havin' some trouble, huh?" I nod. He yells, "I d= o this all day! Why don't you get the tire and I'll get your wheel = off!"

I'm already freezing my ass off, so= I just grab the tire winch tools and get at it. Literally before I have th= e handle in the gear, he's got the jack under the axle and the truck is= in the air. He pops open the plastic box and it's a Milwaukee Fuel imp= act and a set of sockets.

My heart sinks--I'm = already feeling bad for this guy in the cold trying to help, and how he'= ;s going to have to screw with this lightweight cordless impact on the F250= --

The wheel's already off. It was like watchi= ng a NASCAR pit stop. Seriously. My 2131 can lag a little on those lug nuts= before spinning them. The Fuel cordless just ripped them RIGHT THE HELL OF= F. Damnedest thing I've ever seen. My jaw dropped.

=
So now I'm cranking on the winch because we're waiting on *me*= and he's got the rim in the bed and is trying not to look like I'm= the limiting reagent here.

I get the spare, he po= ps it on, and the damn thing zips the nuts on just about as fast. No laggin= g at all. No slow BAP-BAP-BAP as it snugs up. Sounded like a woodpecker, if= the woodpecker was ten feet tall and angry at something.

It's freezing, but I'm staring at The Impact Wrench of The = Gods, just standing there. He sees me staring, grins, and says, "yeah,= I love that thing! Have a great afternoon!"

= And then he was gone. The whole thing happened so quickly I was left wonder= ing if it even happened at all.

Anyway, I made a n= ote to myself--which I forgot until now--to go out and buy one of those thi= ngs, because goddamn was that thing amazing. I have no affiliation with Mil= waukee, and I wasn't even aware there was a 'Fuel' line of cord= less tools, but I will have that impact wrench. It was UNREAL.
<= br>
On Mon,= Feb 25, 2019 at 9:31 AM Joe Szwed via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
I know you s= aid air impact but you may want to look into the Milwaukee M18 Fuel cordles= s impact.=C2=A0 They claim 1400 ft-lbs of torque breaking and 1000 ft-lbs t= ightening.=C2=A0 I follow a couple heavy duty mechanics groups and this cor= dless impact gets high scores with many guys preferring it over their pneum= atic.=C2=A0 There is even a 3/4" version available.=C2=A0 I know I pla= n on replacing my 18V DeWalt with one once I have the spare cash.

<= /div>
Joe

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- = via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Ok,=C2=A0 I kn= ow this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a tool
&g= t; recommendation.=C2=A0 Stay with me.
>
>
>=C2=A0 So I e= nded up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke
> dies= el. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every
>= ; single record for it.)
>
> So I am starting to do my "on= ce over" before I put it in service.=C2=A0 One of
> the thing is= removing the wheels and checking the brakes.=C2=A0 Well, the
> mecha= nic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.=C2=A0 I managed to> eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more=
> powerfully impact wrench.
>
> So I come to the experts= .=C2=A0 I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact
> wrench.=C2=A0 I= prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving up
&g= t; to 3/4.
>
> I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'n= ormal' impact can't handle to job,
> so it will not be used a= ton.
>
> Any ideas?=C2=A0 Price isn't much of a concern as= it seems even the top end
> ones aren't outrageous.=C2=A0 (Note-= I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over
> priced brand names.)<= br>>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
= > Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but i= f your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first= inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson=C2=A0=C2=A0
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My attitude exactly, Eric. I didn't spend all this tim= e and money on all this black iron pipe just to give in to electricity.
...until I find myself wanting to do something to the truck= and I don't want to pull the car out of the garage and I'll have t= o drag the air line off the spool and I really need to be halfway done alre= ady...

I have decided (after seeing what the new c= ordless impacts can do) to have both.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:17 PM= eric--- via Shop-talk <shop= -talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
Steve writes about his Makita 1002Z 18= v impact gun.


I'm not against these for peop= le to use, but I don't use it enough to justify another battery and charger a= nd all that goes with it.=C2=A0 I can see that every time I need it, I have to wait for a battery to charge.

I bought a monster compressor and = hard lined my shop just for the purpose of never worrying about air demands. =C2=A0

If I did more of this HD work (or = if the gun was more useful for general use,) I would consider it, but this is a 'last resort' tool, so it doesn't make sense for me.

Thanks however for the input.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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--000000000000ade21e0582be2dd4-- --===============4279169485800951289== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4279169485800951289==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 17:07:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DEB25806AD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 17:07:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (mail-oi1-f182.google.com [209.85.167.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FDB2588BD8 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f182.google.com with SMTP id b4so8487685oif.6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Z2i/gaZTZJavqo8IIGHfh3I0SKOJn/UlWUoQMo+VKU8=; b=rGk9psfvFBr+2avFKH8utAFvki0MlIxPzV+sDj8iABAbMjSiCfz7W57FmfHMEbKPEa 5tgeemwxESg2X35+FgaMgSbP2VocLnfLRLy+zIDGrrmomh+DpKetRrrw5+AUBgQ8fQJJ EQxl5rXMmkEjg1Jx5jUgc5nKghi2AwxaVnsSnWGJpE0e5hKgZHI5M5AdXqBwQnGIbLQX YssNxRD2lFeB5M2Gc+Y3MNXNWdG44DhKMK4x+ZLlmpVQ1s4W2sAWvpuF6vXYcx3DGwcQ knaCimisXYp7N/fUnmII2NHFb+TjzCHh4fFM0z8mcGdr4oxlwSAKU3iWUwmNQLgzFSS6 OJkQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Z2i/gaZTZJavqo8IIGHfh3I0SKOJn/UlWUoQMo+VKU8=; b=ZtPwqleRdzDUnnPGHzS4uxNlkPFd608z8j52OAsrD7czILgjLcm4RLfAftFEOOQd37 t1BalRroj73GAxgHUdFEgIQdyKgz4+c4TA4JqVmpuITa9xM/1/pi809Q1T6+woDYNXT0 WSeuEt888Oj70Hv4PUS1dZ8xkiHmFUg0IIS0fCkQjcU30E4ue9aj908TQLxwAy7++Ztg hjSMHngZf8PsMnLIXfVukVC7RC8EGgJLhqYqEh6dbjEEOPMoC2z8vg2qGjQO9kU4+VFF Uw9UyvYxHBu8oeN6fau0Nbm5zjGOLNMze1pzngjsO9tHhFqrMY1qamQvx4iqzqs1Jw1x D3PQ== nBWtvk3WCEz6FYpjjzJQeZ1F72BIc29YZBn6gKWsNg== Mon, 25 Feb 2019 12:59:59 -0800 (PST) References: <7943441e-d444-8a74-9dad-d04dcf41c4a6@dinospider.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:59:23 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2392187268490951153== --000000000000463b730582be39a1 I agree with you, Mike--I am unfamiliar with the concept of 'too much torque' in an impact wrench. I suppose I'll sing a different tune when I snap a lug stud (or something more important) but for now when I get out the impact, I want something disassembled. Plus, I've got old MAC 1/2" and 3/8" impacts for when I want to kitten-kiss something off. On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 1:14 PM Mike Rambour via Shop-talk < shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote: > > Is there such a thing as too much torque ? > > Based on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee > 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much > torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is > no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to > get my blue wrench out. I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it > no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years > younger. > > mike > > On 2/25/2019 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote: > > I am using the IR Thunder Gun. 625ft-lb reverse torque. I have never been > disappointed. > > Brian Warrick > Nampa, ID > > ------------------------------ > > > -- > A gun is like a parachute, if you need one but don't have it, > you'll probably never need one again. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > --000000000000463b730582be39a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with you, Mike--I am unfamiliar with the concept o= f 'too much torque' in an impact wrench.

I suppo= se I'll sing a different tune when I snap a lug stud (or something more= important) but for now when I get out the impact, I want something disasse= mbled.

Plus, I've got old MAC 1/2" and 3/= 8" impacts for when I want to kitten-kiss something off.
On Mon, = Feb 25, 2019 at 1:14 PM Mike Rambour via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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=C2=A0Is the= re such a thing as too much torque=C2=A0 ?

=C2=A0Based = on suggestion earlier in this thread I am looking at the Milwaukee 18 Fuel and some reviews have said for normal car work this is too much torque, I can't imagine there is such a thing, once broken loose there is no torque and if I want it off, I want it off NOW, I don't want to have to get my blue wrench out.=C2=A0 I have a IR2131 and there has been some things it no longer removes that it happily removed when it was 20 or so years younger.
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 mike

On 2/25/201= 9 7:28 AM, Brian and Wendy via Shop-talk wrote:
=20 =20
I am using the IR Thunder Gun.=C2=A0 625ft-lb reverse torque. I hav= e never been disappointed.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID



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I had the same flat tire crap on day one of Snowpocalypse up in W= oodinville. But I did not have some NASCAR pit crew guy stop and help. It= was about 7AM. Mine was more fumbling with standard old F150 crap scatter= about. And who designed the tire winch, I think I have a scar from where that went= wrong. Sent from Mail for Window= s 10 ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Scott Hall = via Shop-talk Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 12:53:20 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) Oh gosh. I didn't even think about cordless. So...maybe fifteen years ago I had a whole slew of Milwaukee 18v tools, amo= ng them an impact wrench. It didn't suck, but it wasn't impressive either. = The batteries weren't anything to write home about and I lost several quick= ly and was always replacing them and they were expensive. I kind of wrote o= ff the whole idea of cordless except for a (very) light duty drill/driver..= .which I never need, so I don't have one. Then, about a month ago when we got Snowpocalypse(TM) here (that's three in= ches in this area, for the uninitiated) my F250 rear tire just...exploded o= n the interstate. It was more the cold and the wind than the snow, and whil= e I'm grumbling and crawling around the cab gathering tools (the jack and s= ome of its tools live under one rear seat, other tools live under the other= rear seat, the key for the spare wheel hoist is under every insurance card= I've ever had--except the current one, of course--in the glove compartment= , etc.) Triple-A pulls in in front me. I hadn't called Triple-A. I was perplexed. Dude jumps out, snatches a race jack and a plastic box from the back of his= truck. Before I can say anything, he says, "looks like you're havin' some = trouble, huh?" I nod. He yells, "I do this all day! Why don't you get the t= ire and I'll get your wheel off!" I'm already freezing my ass off, so I just grab the tire winch tools and ge= t at it. Literally before I have the handle in the gear, he's got the jack = under the axle and the truck is in the air. He pops open the plastic box an= d it's a Milwaukee Fuel impact and a set of sockets. My heart sinks--I'm already feeling bad for this guy in the cold trying to = help, and how he's going to have to screw with this lightweight cordless im= pact on the F250-- The wheel's already off. It was like watching a NASCAR pit stop. Seriously.= My 2131 can lag a little on those lug nuts before spinning them. The Fuel = cordless just ripped them RIGHT THE HELL OFF. Damnedest thing I've ever see= n. My jaw dropped. So now I'm cranking on the winch because we're waiting on *me* and he's got= the rim in the bed and is trying not to look like I'm the limiting reagent= here. I get the spare, he pops it on, and the damn thing zips the nuts on just ab= out as fast. No lagging at all. No slow BAP-BAP-BAP as it snugs up. Sounded= like a woodpecker, if the woodpecker was ten feet tall and angry at someth= ing. It's freezing, but I'm staring at The Impact Wrench of The Gods, just stand= ing there. He sees me staring, grins, and says, "yeah, I love that thing! H= ave a great afternoon!" And then he was gone. The whole thing happened so quickly I was left wonder= ing if it even happened at all. Anyway, I made a note to myself--which I forgot until now--to go out and bu= y one of those things, because goddamn was that thing amazing. I have no af= filiation with Milwaukee, and I wasn't even aware there was a 'Fuel' line o= f cordless tools, but I will have that impact wrench. It was UNREAL. On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:31 AM Joe Szwed via Shop-talk Ok, I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking for a too= l > recommendation. Stay with me. > > > So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerstroke > diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me every > single record for it.) > > So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in service. One of > the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes. Well, the > mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench. I managed to > eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more > powerfully impact wrench. > > So I come to the experts. I'm looking for a heavy duty air impact > wrench. I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on moving = up > to 3/4. > > I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to job= , > so it will not be used a ton. > > Any ideas? Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the top end > ones aren't outrageous. (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that likes over > priced brand names.) > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=3D02%7C01%7= C%7C5925fb08ff9a4cbb8f9a08d69b79ad25%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1= %7C0%7C636867344224801272&sdata=3D6I%2Faz9r4RerJnsIOiknmHscEMHqxggYYwawSnuY= dN6k%3D&reserved=3D0> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk all.personal@gmail.com --_000_BYAPR14MB2917F7CFE2859AB6D700D4C6FF7B0BYAPR14MB2917namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Judging from your description, =93Snowpocalypse(TM) = here (that's three inches in this area, for the uninitiated)=94 I will gues= s you live in the Seattle area.  I had the same flat tire crap on day = one of Snowpocalypse up in Woodinville.  But I did not have some NASCAR pit crew guy stop and help.  It was about = 7AM.  Mine was more fumbling with standard old F150 crap scatter about= .

And who designed the tire winch, I think I have a scar from where that went= wrong.

 

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From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Hall via Shop-talk <sho= p-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 12:53:20 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty)
 
Oh gosh. I didn't even think about cordless.

So...maybe fifteen years ago I had a whole slew of Milwaukee 18v tools= , among them an impact wrench. It didn't suck, but it wasn't impressive eit= her. The batteries weren't anything to write home about and I lost several = quickly and was always replacing them and they were expensive. I kind of wrote off the whole idea of cordle= ss except for a (very) light duty drill/driver...which I never need, so I d= on't have one.

Then, about a month ago when we got Snowpocalypse(TM) here (that's thr= ee inches in this area, for the uninitiated) my F250 rear tire just...explo= ded on the interstate. It was more the cold and the wind than the snow, and= while I'm grumbling and crawling around the cab gathering tools (the jack and some of its tools live under = one rear seat, other tools live under the other rear seat, the key for the = spare wheel hoist is under every insurance card I've ever had--except the c= urrent one, of course--in the glove compartment, etc.) Triple-A pulls in in front me.

I hadn't called Triple-A. I was perplexed.

Dude jumps out, snatches a race jack and a plastic box from the back o= f his truck. Before I can say anything, he says, "looks like you're ha= vin' some trouble, huh?" I nod. He yells, "I do this all day! Why= don't you get the tire and I'll get your wheel off!"

I'm already freezing my ass off, so I just grab the tire winch tools a= nd get at it. Literally before I have the handle in the gear, he's got the = jack under the axle and the truck is in the air. He pops open the plastic b= ox and it's a Milwaukee Fuel impact and a set of sockets.

My heart sinks--I'm already feeling bad for this guy in the cold tryin= g to help, and how he's going to have to screw with this lightweight cordle= ss impact on the F250--

The wheel's already off. It was like watching a NASCAR pit stop. Serio= usly. My 2131 can lag a little on those lug nuts before spinning them. The = Fuel cordless just ripped them RIGHT THE HELL OFF. Damnedest thing I've eve= r seen. My jaw dropped.

So now I'm cranking on the winch because we're waiting on *me* and he'= s got the rim in the bed and is trying not to look like I'm the limiting re= agent here.

I get the spare, he pops it on, and the damn thing zips the nuts on ju= st about as fast. No lagging at all. No slow BAP-BAP-BAP as it snugs up. So= unded like a woodpecker, if the woodpecker was ten feet tall and angry at s= omething.

It's freezing, but I'm staring at The Impact Wrench of The Gods, just = standing there. He sees me staring, grins, and says, "yeah, I love tha= t thing! Have a great afternoon!"

And then he was gone. The whole thing happened so quickly I was left w= ondering if it even happened at all.

Anyway, I made a note to myself--which I forgot until now--to go out a= nd buy one of those things, because goddamn was that thing amazing. I have = no affiliation with Milwaukee, and I wasn't even aware there was a 'Fuel' l= ine of cordless tools, but I will have that impact wrench. It was UNREAL.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:31 AM Joe S= zwed via Shop-talk <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net> wrote:
I know you said air impact but you may want to look into t= he Milwaukee M18 Fuel cordless impact.  They claim 1400 ft-lbs of torq= ue breaking and 1000 ft-lbs tightening.  I follow a couple heavy duty = mechanics groups and this cordless impact gets high scores with many guys preferring it over their pneumatic.  There= is even a 3/4" version available.  I know I plan on replacing my= 18V DeWalt with one once I have the spare cash.

Joe

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:15 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@aut= ox.team.net> wrote:

> Ok,  I know this is a new religious topic here, but I'm looking f= or a tool
> recommendation.  Stay with me.
>
>
>  So I ended up buying a new (to me) dump body F350 with a powerst= roke
> diesel. It only had one owner, and was well maintained (he gave me eve= ry
> single record for it.)
>
> So I am starting to do my "once over" before I put it in ser= vice.  One of
> the thing is removing the wheels and checking the brakes.  Well, = the
> mechanic that did this last had a really HD torque wrench.  I man= aged to
> eventually get every nut off, but it made it clear that I need a more<= br> > powerfully impact wrench.
>
> So I come to the experts.  I'm looking for a heavy duty air impac= t
> wrench.  I prefer 1/2, but I'm willing to listen to any advice on= moving up
> to 3/4.
>
> I'm looking for a tool to use when my 'normal' impact can't handle to = job,
> so it will not be used a ton.
>
> Any ideas?  Price isn't much of a concern as it seems even the to= p end
> ones aren't outrageous.  (Note- I'm not a Snap on junkie that lik= es over
> priced brand names.)
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." = Ralph
> Waldo Emerson  
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Portability is great but you buy into a battery > infrastructure and the battery cost can be dramatic. And hose reels and > etc. are a PITA. Hard to run a sandblast cabinet on batteries... ;) So, yeah, I find myself with more and more battery tools (I wound up in the Ryobi universe for some reason), but there's still no substitute for a big honkin' compressor... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 20:22:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20324258004D for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 20:22:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f51.google.com (mail-ot1-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EEC25888CD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:04:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f51.google.com with SMTP id e15so107146otk.6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 17:04:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5hBtX5XfD1nC5VfmR4HvWHFeqqAzfqP5dzt75JawNco=; b=YR200/j3VND/CF2k09rqmTQMH1IB7RCtWDuNq4gKqz+P5AzXYTCu///FGZomeMSlz9 ADNcfoSW4gCMakK6bpblJCuRqOdKfZqJLqSf3/8d/7gxetLC/0gHqwL26ZSReo/O+XJ8 r04+msa9prUNzCYdBMN4HaHLPoqcnmykwm1NJ8VWmK8GYCT8q0fD0iyXEx2gqKna5ORE r/8EOHhgG56LcOv7RUplWZ62H/UT6Tgq8YPi0fyW+wir5HetoK4I8DWJev9SlgBf8Awq IX+aqkFQHuubslHSgF8rgtBNJdSlyUBjsi9Tw1eNdNNMNGAoyf9tzAfjmtYBQ6WwM+mR JLmA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5hBtX5XfD1nC5VfmR4HvWHFeqqAzfqP5dzt75JawNco=; b=Uq6g5fdwFaLJ+z0DxQiJorUKa4yCJrx8w4lxDFNM+cH6+H0RIc/yLfjBOhQwwhCQv/ mdBCmbCv34dv/LV1MkmNodkdoKfkR3RJpqpAjbWFHdBIgxdd4M/v65wnQ0EqkIo+XBgX HxVv6+Bgj5dY5CEt/gvflSjeDqzp/N47xB0/tO0XqVd6m/DZzFrXdoo/3TE366Qd4wH/ aBGtyy6QSz+2smbUs5pyd++/h3/jDIplBcow8yol0T1kjzgL/GRyz7T2p8Qp+aXVxdPk I1WVWr6vJawBIELQxtcvJtvmfwGrzdCQ76JUGGWXe/KR2/OYRpWZXOD3NeOOFCJ2b+Sv 0q2Q== uSOr8NF/0HIa7pF9otSGTvbZ5q2GLEjL+Fm9g2Wqsg== Mon, 25 Feb 2019 17:04:41 -0800 (PST) References: <76f4f878-e88e-cf17-52b1-4384fa92b556@dillen.ca> <597a1b04-edef-69f4-c0dc-195135bc00d3@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 20:04:36 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact wrenches (heavy duty) From: Jeff Scarbrough via Shop-talk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net And as for air impact wrenches, I have a Chicago Pneumatic that I bought in 1979. Used it professionally for ~5 years, then occasionally since then. Always oiled it regularly...it still undoes the things I need it to undo. But my transportation is rather smaller than an F-350 or what have you... On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:01 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:43 PM John Miller via Shop-talk > wrote: > > > > I understand that. Portability is great but you buy into a battery > > infrastructure and the battery cost can be dramatic. And hose reels and > > etc. are a PITA. > > Hard to run a sandblast cabinet on batteries... ;) > > So, yeah, I find myself with more and more battery tools (I wound up > in the Ryobi universe for some reason), but there's still no > substitute for a big honkin' compressor... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 21:52:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1D32588A1C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:52:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Received: from biz177.inmotionhosting.com (biz177.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.208.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BA12588DB6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 20:02:47 -0700 (MST) s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/5JL4YX/rRextISXREqcbtljeaQaWK2dUG1K5VIMSF8=; b=sTGKRSHXiFZTJi5HHeoI71QNT7 y7cU3j5GVkEfIkWD6CA0+MhO5ZilkNcQ0I1ydyMJZugCE9O/jvfTY57dty12TvHEZkRzoWBboFgbF lr13201m2pqjL+NIQ3LZyZFa/DXj2iZUsWMazL+ec/gvT9iUdHurv480mjb5BNh7W2JnjU4xzG6aH GRnBt2WN8vUB82fmzKyFgUbhezU4vDzASwIMQ29u9XGNSzKN+cljDBUs+xLfvRa8bt16hAsk17ebe UWZKrwkDCnGbM0nz8a5jVPL3h8kFdMqCcZgVM3VnGybYv/RD7Tpv8WImXBSNrsY1JT2gN2glVGeBU Md1T+Zdg==; Received: from [142.179.85.19] (port=48408 helo=ranger.dillen.ca) by biz177.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gyT0q-005lnm-DO for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:02:41 -0800 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <76f4f878-e88e-cf17-52b1-4384fa92b556@dillen.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:02:31 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Content-Language: en-MW please include it with any abuse report shop@dillen.ca Subject: [Shop-talk] WAS: Impact wrenches (heavy duty), NOW: Welcome to The Dark Side of cordless tools. Cookies are at the bar. From: Steve Dillen via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0021370333218798099== boundary="------------B87548B3BCCBA4565B6D4845" Content-Language: en-MW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B87548B3BCCBA4565B6D4845 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not sure that it's changing of the guard as much as the technology has really advanced in the last few years.  Back in the day, I plumbed everything for air and when I used to need a real tool, I'd run up the compressor.  About 3 years ago I bought a Makita 18v hammer drill and found battery life better than I was expecting....and power was better than my corded Bosch hammer drill. Suffice it to say, I now have a hammer drill, impact driver, impact gun, drywall screw gun, angle grinder and a few lights and other bits and pieces in this system.  I'm still on original batteries (but I do have 4 of them) and find recharge time to be about 20 minutes.  I can live with that.  I do have a cordless (Li-Ion battery) Bosch screwdriver that's probably pushing 8 years on and both original batteries are still live.  Actually, I found that the battery charger for that works with my cordless Dremel tool (I also have 2 corded versions that never see the light of day) It's easy to underestimate what cordless battery tools can do if you haven't picked one up in the last 5 years.  Unfortunately, my compressor only sees service these days when I need to throw something in the 'blast cabinet or to run air ratchets (haven't found a reasonable cordless option for those!). Steve On 2019-02-25 2:02 p.m., old dirtbeard wrote: > Wow, I would not have thought that possible, but I see how it reflects > the changing of the guard. > > If someone grew up without electrical cords to their tools, to have a > airline to their tools probably even seems more cumbersome. > > Very interesting observation, particularly for an old timer who does > not use battery-powered tools in his garage.  :-) > > I so worry about the landfills or where all these dead Li-ion > batteries are going... > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM David Scheidt via Shop-talk > > > > On Feb 25, 2019, at 09:11, Steve Dillen via Shop-talk > >> This is probably blasphemy on this list, bat a year or so ago I  >> bought a Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun and have found it to be VERY >> good. >> > > I was talking to the owner of a pretty big shop (15 or so bays) a > year or so ago. He said none of the techs under 30 had air tools.  > They all use battery powered tools. He had to put in new outlet > circuits where the off duty toolboxes are parked >> > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@live.com > --------------B87548B3BCCBA4565B6D4845 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Not sure that it's changing of the guard as much as the technology has really advanced in the last few years.  Back in the day, I plumbed everything for air and when I used to need a real tool, I'd run up the compressor.  About 3 years ago I bought a Makita 18v hammer drill and found battery life better than I was expecting....and power was better than my corded Bosch hammer drill.

Suffice it to say, I now have a hammer drill, impact driver, impact gun, drywall screw gun, angle grinder and a few lights and other bits and pieces in this system.  I'm still on original batteries (but I do have 4 of them) and find recharge time to be about 20 minutes.  I can live with that.  I do have a cordless (Li-Ion battery) Bosch screwdriver that's probably pushing 8 years on and both original batteries are still live.  Actually, I found that the battery charger for that works with my cordless Dremel tool (I also have 2 corded versions that never see the light of day)

It's easy to underestimate what cordless battery tools can do if you haven't picked one up in the last 5 years.  Unfortunately, my compressor only sees service these days when I need to throw something in the 'blast cabinet or to run air ratchets (haven't found a reasonable cordless option for those!). 

Steve

On 2019-02-25 2:02 p.m., old dirtbeard wrote:
Wow, I would not have thought that possible, but I see how it reflects the changing of the guard. 

If someone grew up without electrical cords to their tools, to have a airline to their tools probably even seems more cumbersome. 

Very interesting observation, particularly for an old timer who does not use battery-powered tools in his garage.  :-)

I so worry about the landfills or where all these dead Li-ion batteries are going...

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM David Scheidt via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:


On Feb 25, 2019, at 09:11, Steve Dillen via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:

This is probably blasphemy on this list, bat a year or so ago I  bought a Makita 1002Z 18v impact gun and have found it to be VERY good. 


I was talking to the owner of a pretty big shop (15 or so bays) a year or so ago. He said none of the techs under 30 had air tools.  They all use battery powered tools. He had to put in new outlet circuits where the off duty toolboxes are parked 

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Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:51:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:51:06 +0000 (UTC) To: trevor@boicey.com, battmain@yahoo.com References: <1667483882.4759724.1551102666746.ref@mail.yahoo.com> x64; rv:65.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/65.0 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip From: DAVID MASSEY via Shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1568231395855865002== boundary="----=_Part_4759723_132615334.1551102666740" ------=_Part_4759723_132615334.1551102666740 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All good stuff but a few points of clarification.=C2=A0 The LM in LM7805CT= will change depending on the manufacturer.=C2=A0 You can find L7805 or MC7= 805 or NCP7805 and others.=C2=A0 They will all work.=C2=A0 The CT indicates= the package, TO220 in this case.=C2=A0 You want the same package as what i= s in there now to avoid some cludge job hooking up a different style part.= =C2=A0 Also, these parts are current limited.=C2=A0 If there is a short dow= n stream the part will not fail, it will limit the current to the short unt= il the die temperature reaches 150 deg C at which point it will reduce the = output current and continue in this mode indefinitely.=C2=A0 These parts ar= e pretty bullet-proof.=C2=A0 About the only way they will fail is too much = voltage is applied.=C2=A0 As stated the input voltage can be as high as 35 = volts but if it is much higher the part will fail.=C2=A0 Typical failure mo= de is a short input to output and this will pass this high voltage on to th= e rest of the circuit and may cause other failures. I say may because it depends on what else is in the circuit.=C2=A0 If there= are voltage suppressors and current limiters (fuses) they may protect the = rest of the circuit.=C2=A0 It depends on what the designer put in there. We design and manufacture industrial products that are designed to operate = from a 24 Vdc supply.=C2=A0 It is not uncommon for users to try to power th= em off of 120 Vac because that is what the old part being replaced used.=C2= =A0 It was common enough that I designed a protection circuit that would mo= nitor the input power and only pass it on to the device if it was within th= e acceptable range.=C2=A0 So, instead of getting a room full of smoke the u= ser will find the part not working.=C2=A0 When they call in to complain we = tell them to use the right power.=C2=A0 They do so and the part works as ad= vertised.=C2=A0 Result: happy customer.=C2=A0=20 =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Boicey via Shop-talk To: Battmain Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2019 12:31 am Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip There are a lot of parts that will work there. As previously mentioned it's= a 1 amp 5 volt regulator in a TO220 case. (TO220 is the case style with th= ree pins and a heat sink tab with hole for a bolt to attach it to something= metal to keep it cool) Extremely common and extremely cheap part. Makes nice clean 5V from any inp= ut voltage from about 6V to about 35V. Three pins are just "input voltage 6= V-35V", "output voltage 5V", and ground. Digikey for that voltage and case shows the ubiquitous 7805 as well as comp= atible variations up to 5A: https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/pmic-voltage-re= gulators-linear/699?k=3D&pkeyword=3D7805&sv=3D0&pv1779=3D56&sf=3D0&FV=3D402= 03a%2Cffe002bb&quantity=3D&ColumnSort=3D0&page=3D1&stock=3D1&pageSize=3D25 Any part designated 7805-anything should work. It likely blew up because something else shorted, but if the shorting was t= emporary then it might just need replacing. Suggestion: Buy a few because they are much cheaper than postage will be, a= bout 50 cents each at Digikey in quantity <10. Solder in a new one and see = if it works or blows up again. If it blows up again, look for shorts around the device and fix those befor= e blowing up another one. Repeat until it's working or you lose interest. On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows diffe= rent models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have variable o= utput as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should stay consta= nt for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on it, was wonde= ring if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or just stick with= a fixed output? Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne wrote: =20 =20 This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number= indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0 Peace,=C2=A0Pat Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site...MC7= 805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet alldatasheet.comMC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC78= 05CT manual, MC7805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... | | | They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...htt= p://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume pot on= it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: =20 =20 How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting aroun= d for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I= fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the r= egulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differ= ent models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 = Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could s= ubstitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/F= IfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian ------=_Part_4759723_132615334.1551102666740 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All good stuff but a few points of clarification.&nb= sp; The LM in LM7805CT will change depending on the manufacturer.  You= can find L7805 or MC7805 or NCP7805 and others.  They will all work.&= nbsp; The CT indicates the package, TO220 in this case.  You want the = same package as what is in there now to avoid some cludge job hooking up a = different style part.  Also, these parts are current limited.  If= there is a short down stream the part will not fail, it will limit the cur= rent to the short until the die temperature reaches 150 deg C at which poin= t it will reduce the output current and continue in this mode indefinitely.=   These parts are pretty bullet-proof.  About the only way they w= ill fail is too much voltage is applied.  As stated the input voltage = can be as high as 35 volts but if it is much higher the part will fail.&nbs= p; Typical failure mode is a short input to output and this will pass this = high voltage on to the rest of the circuit and may cause other failures.

I say may because it depends on what else is in the c= ircuit.  If there are voltage suppressors and current limiters (fuses)= they may protect the rest of the circuit.  It depends on what the des= igner put in there.

We design and manufacture industrial products that ar= e designed to operate from a 24 Vdc supply.  It is not uncommon for us= ers to try to power them off of 120 Vac because that is what the old part b= eing replaced used.  It was common enough that I designed a protection= circuit that would monitor the input power and only pass it on to the devi= ce if it was within the acceptable range.  So, instead of getting a ro= om full of smoke the user will find the part not working.  When they c= all in to complain we tell them to use the right power.  They do so an= d the part works as advertised.  Result: happy customer.  =

Dave



-----= Original Message-----
From: Trevor Boicey via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
To: Battmain <battmain@yahoo.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2019 12:31 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Help identifying a chip

There are a lot of parts that will work there. As previous= ly mentioned it's a 1 amp 5 volt regulator in a TO220 case. (TO220 is the c= ase style with three pins and a heat sink tab with hole for a bolt to attac= h it to something metal to keep it cool)

Extremely common and extremely cheap part. Makes nice clean 5V from an= y input voltage from about 6V to about 35V. Three pins are just "input volt= age 6V-35V", "output voltage 5V", and ground.

Digikey for that voltage and case shows the ubiquitous 7805 as well as= compatible variations up to 5A:


Any part designated 7805-anything should work.

It likely blew up because something else shorted, but if the shorting = was temporary then it might just need replacing.

Suggestion: Buy a few because they are much cheaper= than postage will be, about 50 cents each at Digikey in quantity <10. S= older in a new one and see if it works or blows up again.

If it blows up again, look for shorts around the device and fix those = before blowing up another one.

Repeat = until it's working or you lose interest.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at = 11:01 AM Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows d= ifferent models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have variab= le output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should stay co= nstant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on it, was w= ondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or just stick = with a fixed output?


Brian





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MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet

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M= C7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, MC78= 05CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec...



They list multiple model= s of that chip. The one I think is closest is...
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.c= om/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html
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because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/vol= ume pot on it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable outp= ut.

Brian


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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


How about LM7805CT?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM = Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@a= utox.team.net> wrote:
>
> = Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around = for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I f= ried something in the haste.
>
> = I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the reg= ulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differen= t models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 An= ybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could sub= stitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) )
> Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIfJA4O.jpg
>> I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn'= t hurt to try.
>
>
> Brian

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Dave On Sunday, February 24, 2019 John Innis via Shop-talk w= rote: A 7805 is a fixed regulator.=C2=A0 There are other parts in the linear SERI= ES that are variable output, but if it has a 7805 part number, it will alwa= ys output a fixed 5v.=C2=A0=20 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link shows diffe= rent models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator have variable o= utput as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should stay consta= nt for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on it, was wonde= ring if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or just stick with= a fixed output? Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Horne wrote: =20 =20 This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio amplifier. The part number= indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2=A0 Peace,=C2=A0Pat Pat Horne=C2=A0We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: I did look up that model, however, here is an example from this site...MC7= 805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 MC7805CT Datasheet, PDF - Alldatasheet alldatasheet.com MC7805CT Datasheet, MC7805CT PDF, MC7805CT Data sheet, MC7805CT manual, MC7= 805CT pdf, MC7805CT, datenblatt, Elec... | | | They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is...htt= p://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/82852/FAIRCHILD/MC7805CT.html because of the variable output.=C2=A0 The amp does have level/volume pot on= it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output. Brian On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: =20 =20 How about LM7805CT? On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk wrote: > > Finally got around to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting aroun= d for years.=C2=A0 It was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I= fried something in the haste. > > I already picked up the capacitor in the picture,=C2=A0 but I think the r= egulator might be fried also based on the burn marks.Seems there are differ= ent models of that regulator.=C2=A0 The amp is in a 12v application.=C2=A0 = Anybody have any ideas as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could s= ubstitute it with? Will be getting it from that auction site. :) ) > Picture in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/F= IfJA4O.jpg > > I figure if I throw $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try. > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation=C2=A0 $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishp= late@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk xas@icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk @gmail.com --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown=C2=A0 =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_4580899_837183666.1551060478647 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actally, you can make it an adjustable regulator but if you = are going to order something you may as well get a 317 which is designed fo= r this.  Plus the data sheet will give you hints on how to do this.

Dave



On Sun= day, February 24, 2019 John Innis via Shop-talk <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:

A 7805 is a fixed regulator.=C2=A0 T= here are other parts in the linear SERIES that are variable output, but if = it has a 7805 part number, it will always output a fixed 5v.=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:= 08 AM Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Could I use *any* MC7805CT as a replacement, as the first link= shows different models of that regulator? Some models of the regulator hav= e variable output as listed in the second link. I suspect the output should= stay constant for power, but since the amp output section has the pot on i= t, was wondering if I should go with the adjustable output regulator or jus= t stick with a fixed output?


Brian




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On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 9:37:17 AM EST, Pat Hor= ne <patintexas@= icloud.com> wrote:


This chip is a voltage regulator, not the audio= amplifier. The part number indicates that it is a 5v fixed regulator.=C2= =A0

Peace,=C2=A0
Pat

Pat Horne=C2= =A0
We support Habitat for Humanity

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On Feb 23,= 2019, at 7:35 AM, Battmain via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
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They list multiple models of that chip. The one I think is closest is.= ..
because of the variable output.  The amp does have level/volume p= ot on it. The other datasheets in the list do not show a variable output.

Brian


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=20
=20 =20
On Saturday, February 23, 2019, 6:30:21 AM EST, Jeff Sc= arbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
=20

=20

=20
How about LM7805CT?

On Sat,= Feb 23, 2019 at 2:16 AM Battmain via Shop-talk
<shop-talk@autox.team.net&g= t; wrote:
>
> Finally got around = to installing an amplified speaker I had sitting around for years.  It= was supposed to be a simple install, but looks like I fried something in t= he haste.
>
> I already picked up= the capacitor in the picture,  but I think the regulator might be fri= ed also based on the burn marks.Seems there are different models of that re= gulator.  The amp is in a 12v application.  Anybody have any idea= s as to what model regulator it is? (or what I could substitute it with? Wi= ll be getting it from that auction site. :) )
> Pictur= e in the link...(that's the best I could get) https://i.imgur.com/FIf= JA4O.jpg
>
> I figure if I th= row $5 at it in parts, it wouldn't hurt to try.
>
>
> Brian


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