Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] installing a gas stove

From: Scott Hall via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:59:27 -0600

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Tim,

It's got to be a local code thing. My house in Illinois had a gas stove and
its hood did not vent to the outside. So it's not a national thing.

You might look into DIY-ing the vent. I did mine and it was one of the
easiest DIY things I've done to the house.

Scott

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk <[email-masked]
wrote:

> We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We are
> switching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside (and i
> bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line install.
>
> My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that
> vents to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that
> helps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not
> exist at this time. Nor do I know anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in
> my kitchen wall.
>
> shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder
> coating. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Tim,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It&#39;=
s got to be a local code thing. My house in Illinois had a gas stove and it=
s hood did not vent to the outside. So it&#39;s not a national thing.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You might look into DIY-ing t=
he vent. I did mine and it was one of the easiest DIY things I&#39;ve done =
to the house.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Scot=
t<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, J=
an 26, 2019, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">

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We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We are s=
witching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside (and i =
bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line install.=C2=A0<=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that ven=
ts to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that he=
lps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not e=
xist at this time. Nor do I know
 anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in my kitchen wall.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder coa=
ting. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.</div></div>
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From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 09:17:29 -0500

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An opposing opinion- I have rebuilt entire houses and cutting round =
holes in a roof is one of the first checks I write. A side vent out a =
wall is easier, if you can do that, but it'll be noisier especially at =
higher CFM.

I super highly recommend a unit that has at least 3 speeds, preferably a =
variable speed rheostat. A low low is great for things that just =
generate a bit of smoke (like slow cooking bacon like I'm doing now) and =
won't suck all the heat from your house. And if you can find the $$ to =
separate the hood from the blower motor and mount that outside, even =
better, but they are pricy.=20

I bought a Frigidaire arched glass unit, 400 CFM, for $300. It sounds =
like a jet engine on low and gets worse from there, and the MR16 lights =
are such a tight fit I can't turn them without a duct tape tab. But hey, =
it looks pretty :-\  Pay attention to the sone rating and spend money =
for quiet. If you're lucky you have a good appliance store that can =
recommend one with the features you're looking for.

Broan/Nutone is a good manufacturer with a large product line. Years ago =
they made a model called the Allure, I had the Allure III, and it was =
great for what it was. A quiet low, acceptable mid, and a "sorry honey" =
high that cleared out the room but with a lot of noise. I also had a =
1100 CFM exterior wall mount that would suck the pots off the stove but =
that was a $2000 Fantech unit.=20

Here in MA anything over 400 CFM requires a makeup air vent to prevent =
sucking combustion fumes back down the chimney.=20

More information than you probably wanted :-)  Good luck!

jim

> On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:59 PM, Scott Hall via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Tim,
>=20
> It's got to be a local code thing. My house in Illinois had a gas =
stove and its hood did not vent to the outside. So it's not a national =
thing.
>=20
> You might look into DIY-ing the vent. I did mine and it was one of the =
easiest DIY things I've done to the house.=20
>=20
> Scott
>=20
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk =
> We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We =
are switching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside =
(and i bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line =
install.=20
>=20
> My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood =
that vents to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI =
if that helps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that =
money does not exist at this time. Nor do I know anyone that I can trust =
to cut a hole in my kitchen wall.=20
>=20
> shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for =
powder coating. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.
>=20
>=20
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class=3D"">An opposing opinion- I have rebuilt entire houses and cutting =
round holes in a roof is one of the first checks I write. A side vent =
out a wall is easier, if you can do that, but it'll be noisier =
especially at higher CFM.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I super highly recommend a unit that has at least 3 speeds, =
preferably a variable speed rheostat. A low low is great for things that =
just generate a bit of smoke (like slow cooking bacon like I'm doing =
now) and won't suck all the heat from your house. And if you can find =
the $$ to separate the hood from the blower motor and mount that =
outside, even better, but they are pricy.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I bought a Frigidaire arched glass =
unit, 400 CFM, for $300. It sounds like a jet engine on low and gets =
worse from there, and the MR16 lights are such a tight fit I can't turn =
them without a duct tape tab. But hey, it looks pretty :-\ &nbsp;Pay =
attention to the sone rating and spend money for quiet. If you're lucky =
you have a good appliance store that can recommend one with the features =
you're looking for.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Broan/Nutone is a good manufacturer with a large product =
line. Years ago they made a model called the Allure, I had the Allure =
III, and it was great for what it was. A quiet low, acceptable mid, and =
a "sorry honey" high that cleared out the room but with a lot of noise. =
I also had a 1100 CFM exterior wall mount that would suck the pots off =
the stove but that was a $2000 Fantech unit.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here in MA anything over =
400 CFM requires a makeup air vent to prevent sucking combustion fumes =
back down the chimney.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">More information than you probably =
wanted :-) &nbsp;Good luck!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">jim</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:59 PM, =
Scott Hall via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Tim,<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">It's got to be a local code thing. My house in =
Illinois had a gas stove and its hood did not vent to the outside. So =
it's not a national thing.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">You might look into =
DIY-ing the vent. I did mine and it was one of the easiest DIY things =
I've done to the house.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Scott<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 9:22 PM Tim . via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We =
are switching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside =
(and i bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line =
install.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that =
vents to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if =
that helps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money =
does not exist at this time. Nor do I know
 anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in my kitchen wall.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">
shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder =
coating. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.</div></div>
<br class=3D"">
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From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 15:08:40 +0000

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Thanks for the replies all.

Hopefully the local code doesn't require it so I can wait to have it done. =
At some point a previous owner planted an arbor vitae against the house rig=
ht where the vent will (eventually) be mounted. This tree will have to come=
 down and it is well beyond anything I can do myself.

Stove first then hood vent.

Thanks again
tim

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:32 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] installing a gas stove

My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that ven=
ts to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that he=
lps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not e=
xist at this time. Nor do I know anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in m=
y kitchen wall.

shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder coa=
ting. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.

thanks
tim

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Hopefully the local code doesn't require it so I can wait to have it done. =
At some point a previous owner planted an arbor vitae against the house rig=
ht where the vent will (eventually) be mounted. This tree will have to come=
 down and it is well beyond anything
 I can do myself.&nbsp;</div>
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Stove first then hood vent.&nbsp;</div>
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Thanks&nbsp;again</div>
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We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We are s=
witching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside (and i =
bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line install.&nbsp;<=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that ven=
ts to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that he=
lps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not e=
xist at this time. Nor do I know
 anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in my kitchen wall.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder coa=
ting. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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thanks</div>
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From: David Scheidt via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 15:46:07 -0600

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 9:27 PM Tim . via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> We are going to get a new stove this year if it frelling kills me. We are switching to gas. The current hood vent does not vent to the outside (and i bloody hate it). I will have a professional do the gas line install.
>
> My question is, does anyone know if it is mandatory to have a hood that vents to the outside when a gas stove/oven is installed? I am in WI if that helps. I want to have one that vents to the outside but that money does not exist at this time. Nor do I know anyone that I can trust to cut a hole in my kitchen wall.
>
> shop content: the old oven is going into the shop to be used for powder coating. It is a pretty decent sized oven for its age.

The model codes do not require that stoves be vented.  Some appliances
-- mostly big fancy faux commercial things -- require it as part of
their installation instructions.  (which technacially means it's
required by code, because you're required to install them according to
the manuracture's insturctions.  )

Also, do not install a gas line until you have chosen a stove.  There
are locations required for the gas line and electrical connection, and
you have them in the wrong place, you can't move the stove all the way
back.  Modern appliances are more restrictive about that than they
used to be.  I went through this myself this last summer.  I recommend
putting the gas valve in something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sioux-Chief-696-1021GF-Box-Outlet/dp/B003QSPUEO
instead of just sticking out the wall.

It's also well within the capability of most people on the list.
Black pipe is easy to work with, and you can easily get nipples that
elminate any need to cut and thread it.

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