Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] really dumb question

From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:03:54 -0500

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Leaking, moaning when cold or turning, or if really bad typical bad bearing
noises.  Can also just have low pressure leading to hard steering effort,
but that can also be the rack.

Ben....

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 7:58 AM Tim . via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> For all the years I've owned vehicles with power steering pumps, I've
> never had one go out.
>
> Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it?
> If symptoms, what are they please?
>
> thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Leaking, moaning when cold or turning, or if really bad ty=
pical bad bearing noises.=C2=A0 Can also just have low pressure leading to =
hard steering effort, but that can also be the rack.<div><br></div><div>Ben=
....</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 7:58 AM Tim . via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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For all the years I&#39;ve owned vehicles with power steering pumps, I&#39;=
ve never had one go out.=C2=A0</div>
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Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it? If=
 symptoms, what are they please?</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
thanks</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
tim</div>
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From: eric--- via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:07:49 -0500 01/28/2019 08:07:55 AM, Serialize complete at 01/28/2019 08:07:55 AM

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Tim asks> Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead 
up to it?

Couple of things I have seen (and I am NOT a professional mechanic, nor do 
I play one on TV, nor did I stay in a Howard Johnson's last night, heck, I 
normally have problems dressing myself in the morning)  but most of the 
failures are leaks from the seals.  These are easy to detect. 

They would normally go slowly, unless it is a result of a specific event. 
I have noticed that more modern cars seem to have less problems with them. 
 I think overall they improved design/reliability on them.

So, the questions I would ask are...

-How old is the car?
-What symptoms are you seeing?
-Why do you think it's having an issue?
-Are you leaking any fluid, or is the reservoir low?
Oh, and I have a monopoly on the dumb questions here, don't try to take my 
thing!   8>)

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Tim asks&gt; </font><font size=3 face="Calibri">Do
they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Couple of things I have seen (and I
am NOT a professional mechanic, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay
in a Howard Johnson's last night, heck, I normally have problems dressing
myself in the morning) &nbsp;but most of the failures are leaks from the
seals. &nbsp;These are easy to detect. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">They would normally go slowly, unless
it is a result of a specific event. &nbsp;I have noticed that more modern
cars seem to have less problems with them. &nbsp;I think overall they improved
design/reliability on them.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So, the questions I would ask are...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-How old is the car?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-What symptoms are you seeing?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-Why do you think it's having an issue?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">-Are you leaking any fluid, or is the
reservoir low?</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Oh, and I have a monopoly on the dumb
questions here, don't try to take my thing! &nbsp; 8&gt;)</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
Waldo Emerson </font>
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From: "Tim . via Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 23:21:03 +0000

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What I=92ve experienced twice now is sudden hard to steer at very slow spee=
ds: one time turning into the driveway into the parking structure (a few we=
eks ago maybe) and then again this morning, going less than five mph inside=
 my parking structure. It didn=92t last more than one full turn to lock, ea=
ch time, once turning right and the other left.

Someone said: =93but that can also be the rack.=94 Rack was replaced maybe =
five years ago? They said it was leaking. I stopped trusting this shop a co=
uple years ago after a couple other issues. But, I don't think it's the rac=
k.

I=92ve seen no leaking. It was too dark to check the fluid level this morni=
ng but just now I did have to add fluid. Hopefully that is the issue.

thanks guys

tim

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . via S=
hop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:15 AM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] really dumb question

For all the years I've owned vehicles with power steering pumps, I've never=
 had one go out.

Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it? If=
 symptoms, what are they please?

thanks
tim

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<span style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, s=
ans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Someone said: =93but that can also be the rack=
.=94 Rack was replaced maybe five years ago? They said it was leaking. I st=
opped trusting this shop a couple years ago after
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t;, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !impo=
rtant">I=92ve seen no leaking. It was too dark to check the
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For all the years I've owned vehicles with power steering pumps, I've never=
 had one go out.&nbsp;</div>
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Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it? If=
 symptoms, what are they please?</div>
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From: brianlpro via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 18:02:17 -0800

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Tim, I replaced the power steering pump on my =E2=80=9996 F150 twice. I =
can=E2=80=99t remember exactly why. I don=E2=80=99t think it was =
leaking, but it made some noise as I recall. The first time I used an =
after market pump. You=E2=80=99re supposed to turn the wheels stop to =
stop to clear the air, but the first pump never did work right. I put in =
an OEM Ford pump and that=E2=80=99s been OK.=20

Brian  Kennedy

> On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:21 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> What I=E2=80=99ve experienced twice now is sudden hard to steer at =
very slow speeds: one time turning into the driveway into the parking =
structure (a few weeks ago maybe) and then again this morning, going =
less than five mph inside my parking structure. It didn=E2=80=99t last =
more than one full turn to lock, each time, once turning right and the =
other left.
>=20
>=20
> Someone said: =E2=80=9Cbut that can also be the rack.=E2=80=9D Rack =
was replaced maybe five years ago? They said it was leaking. I stopped =
trusting this shop a couple years ago after a couple other issues. But, =
I don't think it's the rack.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve seen no leaking. It was too dark to check the fluid level =
this morning but just now I did have to add fluid. Hopefully that is the =
issue.=20
>=20
> thanks guys
>=20
>=20
> tim
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
> =20
> For all the years I've owned vehicles with power steering pumps, I've =
never had one go out.=20
>=20
> Do they go out all of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to =
it? If symptoms, what are they please?
>=20

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Tim, =
I replaced the power steering pump on my =E2=80=9996 F150 twice. I =
can=E2=80=99t remember exactly why. I don=E2=80=99t think it was =
leaking, but it made some noise as I recall. The first time I used an =
after market pump. You=E2=80=99re supposed to turn the wheels stop to =
stop to clear the air, but the first pump never did work right. I put in =
an OEM Ford pump and that=E2=80=99s been OK.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">Brian &nbsp;Kennedy<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:21 PM, Tim . via Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; =
line-height: 16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D"">What I=E2=80=99ve =
experienced twice now is sudden hard to steer at very slow speeds: one =
time turning into the driveway into the parking structure (a few weeks =
ago maybe) and then again this morning, going less than five mph inside =
my parking structure. It didn=E2=80=99t last more than one full turn to =
lock, each time, once turning right and the other left.</span></p><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: 16.866666793823242px; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: white; background-position: =
initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" =
class=3D""></span><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: 16.866666793823242px; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Someone said: =E2=80=9Cbut that =
can also be the rack.=E2=80=9D Rack was replaced maybe five years ago? =
They said it was leaking. I stopped trusting this shop a couple years =
ago after a couple other issues. But, I don't think it's the =
rack.</span><br class=3D""></p><div style=3D"margin: 0px 0in 13.3333px; =
line-height: 16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve seen no leaking. It was too dark to check the =
fluid level this morning but just now I did have to add fluid. Hopefully =
that is the issue.</span><span style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: =
&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; =
line-height: 16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
10pt; line-height: 16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D"">thanks =
guys</span></p><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: =
16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
10pt; line-height: 16.866666793823242px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); =
background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D"">tim</span></p><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div id=3D"appendonsend" =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><hr =
tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 934.90625px;" =
class=3D""><div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Tim . =
via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, January 28, 2019 =
6:15 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Shop Talk<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Shop-talk] really dumb =
question</font><div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">For all the years I've owned vehicles with =
power steering pumps, I've never had one go out.&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Do they go out all =
of a sudden or are there symptoms that lead up to it? If symptoms, what =
are they please?</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">thanks</div><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">tim</div></div></div><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br =
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