Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cove (or 'dish') style cut on a piece of wood.

From: Eric Russell via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:46:13 -0500

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Does it need to be dished on the bottom or can it be rounded around the 
sides and flat on the bottom?

If the latter, consider a cove cutting router bit. Some have bearings on 
the top so you can use a pattern jig attached to your work piece. Make 
the cut in stages - increasing the depth with each pass.

https://www.amazon.com/CMT-851-502-11B-Bearing-Diameter-Carbide-Tipped/dp/B000P4O5ZC 

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 12/13/2018 1:31 PM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> I'm making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded 'dish' 
> cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a board, but just in a circle.  Think 
> of a change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a board. 

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    <p>Does it need to be dished on the bottom or can it be rounded
      around the sides and flat on the bottom? <br>
    </p>
    <p>If the latter, consider a cove cutting router bit. Some have
      bearings on the top so you can use a pattern jig attached to your
      work piece. Make the cut in stages - increasing the depth with
      each pass. <br>
    </p>
    <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.amazon.com/CMT-851-502-11B-Bearing-Diameter-Carbide-Tipped/dp/B000P4O5ZC">https://www.amazon.com/CMT-851-502-11B-Bearing-Diameter-Carbide-Tipped/dp/B000P4O5ZC</a>
      <br>
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    Eric Russell<br>
    Mebane, NC <br>
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        that needs
        to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a
        board,
        but just in a circle.  Think of a change plate where there is a
        bowl
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From: Benjamin Zwissler via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:54:12 -0500

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CNC router or do it by hand with a chisel followed by sanding....

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:35 PM eric--- via Shop-talk <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded 'dish' cut
> into it.  Like a cove cut on a board, but just in a circle.  Think of a
> change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a board.
>
> The cut would look like if you had a table saw blade about 1/2" out of the
> table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and twisted it in a
> circle.  I know that wouldn't work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)
>
> Here is an image of the cut I am trying to make (there are two of them on
> this valet..
>
>
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet-change-dish-modern
>
> Anyone know how to do that?  I can only find ways to make a cove
> lengthwise in a board.    The piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe
> (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last resort, but I
> would rather not do that.)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">CNC router or do it by hand with a chisel followed by sand=
ing....</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Dec 13=
, 2018 at 2:35 PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I&#39;m making a pie=
ce of furniture that needs
to have a rounded &#39;dish&#39; cut into it.=C2=A0 Like a cove cut on a bo=
ard,
but just in a circle.=C2=A0 Think of a change plate where there is a bowl
cutout on a board.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The cut would look like if you had=
 a
table saw blade about 1/2&quot; out of the table, then put a piece of wood
straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.=C2=A0 I know that wouldn&#3=
9;t
work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Here is an image of the cut I am t=
rying
to make (there are two of them on this valet..</font>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet=
-change-dish-modern" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=
=3D"sans-serif">https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-vale=
t-change-dish-modern</font></a>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyone know how to do that?=C2=A0 =
I
can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board. =C2=A0 =C2=A0The
piece isn&#39;t small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making
an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)</fo=
nt>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
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From: Paul Parkanzky via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:21:58 -0500

How precise does it need to be? Could you draw a circle and then
attack it with a wood carving bur?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYzCN-0LYmU

-Paul

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM eric--- via Shop-talk
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I'm making a piece of furniture that needs to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a board, but just in a circle.  Think of a change plate where there is a bowl cutout on a board.
>
> The cut would look like if you had a table saw blade about 1/2" out of the table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.  I know that wouldn't work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)
>
> Here is an image of the cut I am trying to make (there are two of them on this valet..
>
> Anyone know how to do that?  I can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board.    The piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________

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From: John Innis via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:06:30 -0600

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Not sure if it would be worth the expense, but this sounds like the perfect
job for a CNC router like a shop-bot or Shapeoko.  If you wanted it to be
perfectly round, you might be able to accomplish the same thing by putting
a fly cutter in a drill press and taking a little bit off, then reducing
the diameter and then going a little bit deeper, over and over again.  BUT
you should NEVER put a fly cutter in a drill press.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Not sure if it would be worth the expense, but this sounds=
 like the perfect job for a CNC router like a shop-bot or Shapeoko.=C2=A0 I=
f you wanted it to be perfectly round, you might be able to accomplish the =
same thing by putting a fly cutter in a drill press and taking a little bit=
 off, then reducing the diameter and then going a little bit deeper, over a=
nd over again.=C2=A0 BUT you should NEVER put a fly cutter in a drill press=
.=C2=A0<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, De=
c 13, 2018 at 1:39 PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-seri=
f">I&#39;m making a piece of furniture that needs
to have a rounded &#39;dish&#39; cut into it.=C2=A0 Like a cove cut on a bo=
ard,
but just in a circle.=C2=A0 Think of a change plate where there is a bowl
cutout on a board.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The cut would look like if you had=
 a
table saw blade about 1/2&quot; out of the table, then put a piece of wood
straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.=C2=A0 I know that wouldn&#3=
9;t
work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Here is an image of the cut I am t=
rying
to make (there are two of them on this valet..</font>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet=
-change-dish-modern" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"=
 color=3D"blue">https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-vale=
t-change-dish-modern</font></a>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyone know how to do that?=C2=A0 =
I
can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board. =C2=A0 =C2=A0The
piece isn&#39;t small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making
an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)</fo=
nt>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
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nal
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; Ralph
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From: David Hillman via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:23:32 -0500 (EST)

Well if it can be square, you mount it to your lathe.  I've done that 
before.  If it has to be rectangular, maybe those can be multiple squares 
attached to each other?

    Not recommending this, but kicks, possibly literally...

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From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 16:37:02 -0800

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I second the pattern following cove bit.  Use a holesaw to make a hole 
of the desired diameter in a piece of hardboard or plywood and carve out 
the wood.  If you want a more of a dished hole insead of a flat bottom 
one, have several circle templates.  Start with smaller one and go a bit 
deeper the move up to larger circles and cut shallower.  You will then 
have to use some sort of sanding/carving method to taper the routed bits.

Brian

On 12/13/2018 10:31 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
> The cut would look like if you had a table saw blade about 1/2" out of 
> the table, then put a piece of wood straight down on it and twisted it 
> in a circle.  I know that wouldn't work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)
>
> lengthwise in a board.    The piece isn't small enough to put in a 
> lathe (but I thought about making an insert, and that is my last 
> resort, but I would rather not do that.)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>

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    I second the pattern following cove bit.  Use a holesaw to make a
    hole of the desired diameter in a piece of hardboard or plywood and
    carve out the wood.  If you want a more of a dished hole insead of a
    flat bottom one, have several circle templates.  Start with smaller
    one and go a bit deeper the move up to larger circles and cut
    shallower.  You will then have to use some sort of sanding/carving
    method to taper the routed bits.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/2018 10:31 AM, eric--- via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I'm making a piece of furniture
        that needs
        to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it.  Like a cove cut on a
        board,
        but just in a circle.  Think of a change plate where there is a
        bowl
        cutout on a board.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">The cut would look like if you
        had a
        table saw blade about 1/2" out of the table, then put a piece of
        wood
        straight down on it and twisted it in a circle.  I know that
        wouldn't
        work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Here is an image of the cut I am
        trying
        to make (there are two of them on this valet..</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <a
href="https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet-change-dish-modern"
        moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="2" face="sans-serif"
          color="blue">https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet-change-dish-modern</font></a>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Anyone know how to do that?  I
        can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board.    The
        piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about
        making
        an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do
        that.)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks in advance!<br>
        <br>
        Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
        Tech Viper<br>
        "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
        rational
        being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
        Ralph
        Waldo Emerson </font>
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From: Karl Vacek via Shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:12:48 -0600

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I sent this earlier today but didn't see it on the list.  Here's another try...
Karl

One way would be as you suggested, but easier with a radial arm saw.  Use a 
blade or a molding cutter head.  Lower the blade into the workpiece to the 
desired depth and turn the motor portion around to form the depression in 
the workpiece.

On December 13, 2018 1:28:35 PM eric--- via Shop-talk 
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> Anyone know how to do that?  I can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise 
> in a board.    The piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I 
> thought about making an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would 
> rather not do that.)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Waldo Emerson
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]

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 8pt 0;">On December 13, 2018 1:28:35 PM eric--- via Shop-talk &lt;shop-tal=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.75=
ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif;">I'm making a piec=
e of furniture that needs
to have a rounded 'dish' cut into it. &nbsp;Like a cove cut on a board,
but just in a circle. &nbsp;Think of a change plate where there is a bowl
cutout on a board.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif;">The cut would=
 look like if you had a
table saw blade about 1/2" out of the table, then put a piece of wood
straight down on it and twisted it in a circle. &nbsp;I know that wouldn't
work (and would be HUGELY unsafe.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif;">Here is an im=
age of the cut I am trying
to make (there are two of them on this valet..</span>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-valet=
-change-dish-modern"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-seri=
f; color: blue;">https://www.etsy.com/listing/229799235/mens-valet-mens-val=
et-change-dish-modern</span></a>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif;">Anyone know h=
ow to do that? &nbsp;I
can only find ways to make a cove lengthwise in a board. &nbsp; &nbsp;The
piece isn't small enough to put in a lathe (but I thought about making
an insert, and that is my last resort, but I would rather not do that.)</sp=
an>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif;">Thanks in adv=
ance!<br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson </span>
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