From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 00:18:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FCB2589901 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 00:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBF82587C0E for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 15:54:55 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1541022895; bh=XA78r0j8dGJiyBPFgLaW41l/yx+TSn0X1NMG V3pjHEw=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=bCOWfVy34/Z/GuiGOt9p3ZzWPUMLYIUMX 7VnfuLyst2V1JKszS2jPY0W8ynf/qZkQYe9y3K61IAlDy6+Bqr9vKDknYqjK4ebWLik CAqushKLMkKIAoRXWalWjcgLO1xd6Q9A7tfO45gOdKqWk+QoN8KPQ6G7wwsiRWp5Iew kqn5Sb41NAZxkD7JeEPEXjvX/buOYAEgATfluBzHXcmbp86cZODWlpE6/VE+n/DQX/1 kpctCidc5M9V371IPFTEFAtjw1Vrw7C6iyOWAXCKXHoq9hj+KLwnrEh8pgtpHE4oZuq 1geKcw5kwWMxocBlDYxoPBEq748ZypPdtWbA3bcHg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=dCJ3bHifsEag2Vy1LN0jybbMsDng+4YSo76KLg8HMKHXiB/7NfuSEVH9UgbqWwffOcxyrQtbV2mNWi7HbZf7TvsDstFE1yILgYtAR7HvD2xI4fQtiM9iWrZyFiS36uyo4ZBYbXLzWkabzQLo4/YIK8AQw/1P18/sJHm8g53OyJKYMkwQNGyNgjnIAqdcORNhT1zEdO56R1K1FEEF66LeW7Pmjjp2crFansTlX7dgTAPAG/VVlfLdkSZBdExOTjo/OkT8GILMkmimQmVYAMpYkfcQV2eglTVW9i1jtGZRS7EErZO+e2Llt7B7iz05TUidDVC4CDlOrje2G2QNnbHOgg==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1gHyRm-0009AP-Um; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:54:43 -0400 To: Scott Hall , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <44303009.19744090.1540986798938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <44303009.19744090.1540986798938@mail.yahoo.com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:54:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3914486208389221123== boundary="------------BD914EEA3AD1E62189A552C7" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BD914EEA3AD1E62189A552C7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scott - Understand your situation.  I live in the smallest cheapest house that was also a foreclosure on a nice street in an upscale area.  I make it a point to at least keep the street part of the lot fair.  All my neighbors "have people" to maintain their property. Have you thought about adding an outlet near the shrubbery?  If it is all generally in one area, that might make it easier to get away with a single extension cord.  With this option, you likely get the option of renting a trencher.  If for some reason you want to dig the trench yourself, trenching shovels are much nicer because the trench is narrower than a regular shovel.  As an added bonus, you would then have an outside outlet in that area of the property for other uses. You've had a mixture of responses, so yes, you could just try it.  I have a bunch of trees and bought the HF electric pole chain saw (great product, especially for about $65).  I didn't want to be bothered with batteries on a product I only use a few times a year. Near the house I use a 100' 14 gauge extension cord.  Further away, I use a 12 gauge 100' cord from the house then the 14 gauge to the saw.  This works fine.  I don't notice the saw slowing down. Anything further and it is the manual pole saw. My parents switched from an electric hedge trimmer to a battery one the second time my mom cut the bright orange cord.  It worked for them as long as they could work, then they took a break for the battery to charge.  I used it briefly and it seemed comparable to my better electric one for the short use. You could also look at a gas string trimmer type tool that lets you swap the trimmer and use the power head for a hedge trimmer attachment.  I'm on my third gas string trimmer and the current Echo one is far superior to the Homelite and Ryobi ones I had first.  The disadvantage to this setup is the hedge trimmer will be much heavier. Your other option it to "have people" come in a few times a year to do the trimming.  I did this for brush clearing my first two years on the property and will do it again shortly for bigger stuff that doesn't fit in my 4" wood chipper.  As a bonus, the wife is happy when the "people" come in for the big stuff that I'm slow to get done. Brian On 10/31/2018 9:48 AM, Scott Hall wrote: > It's a hedge-trimmer. > > A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges. > > I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I > like it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda rich > ones, with yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice. > > I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I own a > house with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when > I looked at the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as > anything else, I don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down > their neighborhood. I already bought this as a foreclosure and they're > all kind of acting like I saved that end of the street from an ogre. > > This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles > all weekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a little > bit. I got a guy for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy's > watch cost more than my house, I think. I'm not sure I belong here, no > matter how much money I make. I don't want to own any "hedges". At > least not the plant kind. > > But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to be a good > neighbor, and they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me > bringing down their property values. And how much this is getting to > me is ALSO getting to me. > > But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some > sort of cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it > honeysuckle. > > I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I > don't want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap > an expansion chamber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also > problematic for me) the grown up in my head is noting that might be a > pointless waste of money. These things need to be cut twice a year, > max, I'd bet...and I don't envision myself becoming the sort of person > that schools sculpts and topiary. > > Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge > trimmer for that setup. > > Convince me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going > all-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries > last a few months each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools > because I got tired of spending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale. > > How long are those lasting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can > they sit for months and still hold a charge when used again or do I > have to baby them? > > Thanks, > > Scott > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM > OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this... > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > > A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can > use it for a lot of other things.  I have this model and I run a > firewood farm.  My jaw dropped the first time I use this thing. > > It is a beast, the batteries do last long.  The kerf is very > narrow, so I think that is why the performance is so great. > > Arguments for... > > -It's way safer than a gas powered unit > -You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making > this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the > wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.  You don't want > that, do you?)* > -Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to > proclaim this awesomeness > -the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is > possible more tool goodness to come. > -Did I mention bragging rights? > -You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you > make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.) > -You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair > -It's Dewalt, so that is cool > > Just some food for thought. > > *= I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I do not know anything about long > term marriages,so this may not work.  YMMV. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------BD914EEA3AD1E62189A552C7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scott - Understand your situation.  I live in the smallest cheapest house that was also a foreclosure on a nice street in an upscale area.  I make it a point to at least keep the street part of the lot fair.  All my neighbors "have people" to maintain their property.

Have you thought about adding an outlet near the shrubbery?  If it is all generally in one area, that might make it easier to get away with a single extension cord.  With this option, you likely get the option of renting a trencher.  If for some reason you want to dig the trench yourself, trenching shovels are much nicer because the trench is narrower than a regular shovel.  As an added bonus, you would then have an outside outlet in that area of the property for other uses.

You've had a mixture of responses, so yes, you could just try it.  I have a bunch of trees and bought the HF electric pole chain saw (great product, especially for about $65).  I didn't want to be bothered with batteries on a product I only use a few times a year.  Near the house I use a 100' 14 gauge extension cord.  Further away, I use a 12 gauge 100' cord from the house then the 14 gauge to the saw.  This works fine.  I don't notice the saw slowing down.  Anything further and it is the manual pole saw.

My parents switched from an electric hedge trimmer to a battery one the second time my mom cut the bright orange cord.  It worked for them as long as they could work, then they took a break for the battery to charge.  I used it briefly and it seemed comparable to my better electric one for the short use.

You could also look at a gas string trimmer type tool that lets you swap the trimmer and use the power head for a hedge trimmer attachment.  I'm on my third gas string trimmer and the current Echo one is far superior to the Homelite and Ryobi ones I had first.  The disadvantage to this setup is the hedge trimmer will be much heavier.

Your other option it to "have people" come in a few times a year to do the trimming.  I did this for brush clearing my first two years on the property and will do it again shortly for bigger stuff that doesn't fit in my 4" wood chipper.  As a bonus, the wife is happy when the "people" come in for the big stuff that I'm slow to get done.

Brian

On 10/31/2018 9:48 AM, Scott Hall wrote:
It's a hedge-trimmer.

A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.

I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I like it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda rich ones, with yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice. 

I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I own a house with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as anything else, I don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I already bought this as a foreclosure and they're all kind of acting like I saved that end of the street from an ogre.

This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles all weekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a guy for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than my house, I think. I'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I make. I don't want to own any "hedges". At least not the plant kind. 

But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to be a good neighbor, and they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me bringing down their property values. And how much this is getting to me is ALSO getting to me.

But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort of cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle.

I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I don't want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap an expansion chamber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also problematic for me) the grown up in my head is noting that might be a pointless waste of money. These things need to be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...and I don't envision myself becoming the sort of person that schools sculpts and topiary.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge trimmer for that setup.

Convince me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going all-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last a few months each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I got tired of spending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale.

How long are those lasting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can they sit for months and still hold a charge when used again or do I have to baby them?

Thanks, 

Scott

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM <eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can use it for a lot of other things.  I have this model and I run a firewood farm.  My jaw dropped the first time I use this thing.

It is a beast, the batteries do last long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I think that is why the performance is so great.

Arguments for...

-It's way safer than a gas powered unit
-You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.  You don't want that, do you?)*
-Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this awesomeness
-the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is possible more tool goodness to come.
-Did I mention bragging rights?
-You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)
-You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair
-It's Dewalt, so that is cool

Just some food for thought.

*= I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I do not know anything about long term marriages,so this may not work.  YMMV.


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I don't have hedges, but the wife insists on a few species of buses that are a pain to mow areound. SO this year I bought a 20v Dewalt hedge trimmer. It works REAL good. Try it, you'll never go back to gas or corded tools! On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:41 PM Scott Hall wrote: > It's a hedge-trimmer. > > A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges. > > I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I like > it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda rich ones, with > yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice. > > I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I own a house > with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at > the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as anything else, I > don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I > already bought this as a foreclosure and they're all kind of acting like I > saved that end of the street from an ogre. > > This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles all > weekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a > guy for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than > my house, I think. I'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I > make. I don't want to own any "hedges". At least not the plant kind. > > But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to be a good neighbor, > and they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me bringing down their > property values. And how much this is getting to me is ALSO getting to me. > > But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort > of cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle. > > I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I don't > want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap an expansion > chamber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also problematic for me) > the grown up in my head is noting that might be a pointless waste of money. > These things need to be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...and I don't > envision myself becoming the sort of person that schools sculpts and > topiary. > > Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge > trimmer for that setup. > > Convince me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going > all-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last > a few months each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I > got tired of spending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale. > > How long are those lasting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can > they sit for months and still hold a charge when used again or do I have to > baby them? > > Thanks, > > Scott > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM >> OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this... >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can use it >> for a lot of other things. I have this model and I run a firewood farm. >> My jaw dropped the first time I use this thing. >> >> It is a beast, the batteries do last long. The kerf is very narrow, so I >> think that is why the performance is so great. >> >> Arguments for... >> >> -It's way safer than a gas powered unit >> -You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making this >> augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with the >> chainsaw, I might get electrocuted. You don't want that, do you?)* >> -Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this >> awesomeness >> -the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is >> possible more tool goodness to come. >> -Did I mention bragging rights? >> -You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make >> bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.) >> -You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair >> -It's Dewalt, so that is cool >> >> Just some food for thought. >> >> *= I'm a 47 year old bachelor. I do not know anything about long term >> marriages,so this may not work. YMMV. >> >> >> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >> Tech Viper >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --00000000000092148f05798dd874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In that case, I am also going to be "that guy".= =C2=A0 I don't have hedges, but the wife insists on a few species of bu= ses that are a pain to mow areound.=C2=A0 SO this year I bought a 20v Dewal= t hedge trimmer.=C2=A0 It works REAL good.=C2=A0 Try it, you'll never g= o back to gas or corded tools!

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:41 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wro= te:
It's a he= dge-trimmer.

A goddamned hedge= trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.

I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice = house and I like it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda r= ich ones, with yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice.=C2=A0=

I am having more than a= little difficulty with the idea that I own a house with shrubs that need t= o be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at the house, butt I gues= s it didn't register. And as much as anything else, I don't want th= e neighbors to think I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I already bo= ught this as a foreclosure and they're all kind of acting like I saved = that end of the street from an ogre.

This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorc= ycles all weekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a= little bit. I got a guy for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy= 9;s watch cost more than my house, I think. I'm not sure I belong here,= no matter how much money I make. I don't want to own any "hedges&= quot;. At least not the plant kind.=C2=A0

=
But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to b= e a good neighbor, and they're nice folks and probably don't deserv= e me bringing down their property values. And how much this is getting to m= e is ALSO getting to me.

But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort = of cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle.

I dislike the idea of even= owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I don't want to spend any coin on= it. I'd buy the gas version and slap an expansion chamber on it and ge= t my rocks off that way, but (also problematic for me) the grown up in my h= ead is noting that might be a pointless waste of money. These things need t= o be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...and I don't envision myself b= ecoming the sort of person that schools sculpts and topiary.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eri= c. I'll see if I can get a hedge trimmer for that setup.

Convince me about battery life. I swo= re off cordless tools after going all-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years = ago and having the batteries last a few months each. I have this whole ecos= ystem of useless tools because I got tired of spending $60=C2=A0a pop for new packs. On sale.
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How long are those lasting you= ? How frequently do you charge them? Can they sit for months and still hold= a charge when used again or do I have to baby them?

Thanks,=C2=A0

Scott

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM <eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I hate to be &#= 39;that guy' but have you looked at this...

https://www.amazon.com= /gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1=

A little pricey, BUT it is an excu= se to buy a tool, AND you can use it for a lot of other things.=C2=A0 I have this model and I run a firewood farm.=C2=A0 My jaw dropped the first time I use this thing.

It is a beast, the batteries do la= st long.=C2=A0 The kerf is very narrow, so I think that is why the performance is so great.

Arguments for...

-It's way safer than a gas pow= ered unit
-You do not need to worry about ex= tension cords (if you are making this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted. =C2=A0You don't want that, do you?)*
-Instead of being 'ashamed'= ; of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this awesomeness
-the batteries are compatible with= other Dewalt items, SO there is possible more tool goodness to come.
-Did I mention bragging rights?
-You can even use to it trim wood = to use in projects, like if you make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)
-You can use it inside if you need= to do demo/home repair
-It's Dewalt, so that is cool<= /font>

Just some food for thought.

*=3D I'm a 47 year old bachelo= r.=C2=A0 I do not know anything about long term marriages,so this may not work.=C2=A0 = YMMV.


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On Wed, Oct 31, 2018,= 4:41 PM Scott Hall <sc= ott.hall.personal@gmail.com wrote:
It's a hedge-trimmer.

=
A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges

<= span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Don't be ashamed. I have one too.= Use it every other year.=C2=A0 Most of.my yard is "natural". But= I have a spouse, so some semblance of propriety is maintained.=C2=A0

Conv= ince me about battery life.=C2=A0

I bought in to the Ryobi One+ syst= em eight or ten years ago.=C2=A0 Out of four batteries, one ni-cad has croa= ked.=C2=A0 Got them at Direct Tools, which is a manufacturer's outlet f= or reconditioned tools. Dunno about the ones pictured up there, but they ca= n be just fine.
--0000000000000bc19f05798e49c4-- --===============8971643292002101525== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8971643292002101525==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 1 01:40:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8C12588E98 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 01:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C89E2589337 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:18:37 -0600 (MDT) References: <44303009.19744090.1540986798938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <44303009.19744090.1540986798938@mail.yahoo.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 19:18:30 -0400 10/31/2018 07:18:42 PM, Serialize complete at 10/31/2018 07:18:42 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4768116159929006671== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00800AA585258337_= To answer the questions, The batteries seem to have very little lost it they aren't used all the time. I only got the saw this March, so far both battery packs are doing fine. Being able to use them in multiple devices helps. But I can see your concerns. FWIW, but the chainsaw and CUT DOWN the hedges. 8>) Or, talk to your neighbors about how they use as 'their guy' and contact that person. They may be willing to cut you a deal since they are already next door. Plus, tell them that you aren't a richie and they may understand. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00800AA585258337_= To answer the questions,

The batteries seem to have very little lost it they aren't used all the time.  I only got the saw this March, so far both battery packs are doing fine.

Being able to use them in multiple devices helps.  But I can see your concerns.

FWIW, but the chainsaw and CUT DOWN the hedges.  8>)

Or, talk to your neighbors about how they use as 'their guy' and contact that person.  They may be willing to cut you a deal since they are already next door.  Plus, tell them that you aren't a richie and they may understand.



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Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00800AA585258337_=-- --===============4768116159929006671== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4768116159929006671==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 15:04:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1EB2589B37 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86707258A592 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id IXHugs3nux7x3IffwgylvK; Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:04:12 +0000 Received: from M6800.technologist.com ([98.235.175.95]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id Iffvg4UbLTK5BIffwgWfpf; Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:04:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 15:42:33 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Richard Beels Cc: ShopTalk mail.com> References: jcdKJd57AfswgJpHWAx33uWT0Abt01rW7Q4Q4ZMm6OCLqSPQ3aDIHhDKYw5/DbuXu1+Wa8rCdLTf/avh4eNZcWYm1o/IwDYdBI0baSH9KwYEY+yz9Ju9tD+n Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net try a different unzipper. 7zip threw an error for me, but winrar and GNU = unzip worked fine. Didn't test others. I sent a note to the cutlist autho= r. once unzipped successfully, it ran fine. At 10/17/2018 at 22:19, Shakespearean monkeys = danced on RandE's keyboard and said: >I tried downloading and running that = >program.=C2 I keep getting a CRC error message when unzipping the file.= =C2 > >Randy > > >On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 2:51 AM Doug Braun = >Yes! I have used this program for a couple of speaker building projects: > >http:/= /www.delphiforfun.org.ws034.alentus.com/programs/cutlist.htm > >Doug=C2 Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 2 15:21:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C01258A2F1 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF675258573D for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id IYaUgs98Vx7x3IffxgylvX; Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:04:13 +0000 Received: from M6800.technologist.com ([98.235.175.95]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id Iffvg4UbLTK5BIffwgWfph; Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:04:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:04:07 -0400 To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" From: Richard Beels d13.prod.outlook.com> References: 0ZkjtaSxJMQ9pXuN3EQlkaqKby2qZLkD3qS581y+9ZzbCM1vIFwSI7Uc1S/Lpc4SgVFrkhrHAs4eDblSHTKRGrfqE34wKLWWZ0BP0zv+UOi2R3vKvyx9UwNg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a hack that will both A> blow your mind it's so simple and B> cause massive inner anguish at all the time you've wasted pasting in a letter from that word document.... There is an alternate way to type in keys on a PC. It's called "alt-codes" and uses the ALT key and the number keypad. You hold down the ALT key and type in a 1-3 digit number on the number keypad. It has to be the keypad and not the number keys above the letters. The number is the decimal value of the ASCII character. For Z...... Z = 90 z = 122 So, to type a "Z", you press the ALT key and while keeping it pressed, type in 90, and then release the ALT key and a Z should automagically appear. If you're curious about the other letters, googling "ascii table" or "ascii chart" should work. At 10/08/2018 at 20:57, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Tim .'s keyboard and said: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_" > >Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry >but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer >side of things than I used to be. > >I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. >Thankfully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only >took out the "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word >doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates >in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can handle >the updates. > >Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU >@2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1" > >Finally here's the question: > >What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long >overdue updates. > >cheers >happily home from sketchy memphis >tim Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 12:10:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6560F2589D93 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B508A258A53E for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:37:59 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:37:57 -0400 11/03/2018 12:37:59 PM, Serialize complete at 11/03/2018 12:37:59 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] 6 v 200AH (or better) battery replacement Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6310377756873249109== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005B5E4D8525833A_= Does anyone know of a source of 6v 200AH (or better) batteries (like on fork lifts or golf carts.) I see these things sell for about $200 a piece. I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to get them cheaper. Maybe even slightly used for a discount? Just wondering. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 005B5E4D8525833A_= Does anyone know of a source of 6v 200AH (or better) batteries (like on fork lifts or golf carts.)

I see these things sell for about $200 a piece.  I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to get them cheaper.  Maybe even slightly used for a discount?

Just wondering.


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Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 005B5E4D8525833A_=-- --===============6310377756873249109== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6310377756873249109==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 3 14:21:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5717F258A364 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02982258A148 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id q1so4606076otk.0 for ; Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LaeAhZ8FVkejXlGygxGMQ6oXy7XY8ZEPzbmzPn4y90U=; b=oX2AasZ8IVBSUJBrU2KXnWqvIO5TPhw/6vRHLxvHtO58iBov2nWIvWt7sk0YGIcwhe eMDqFpy6dt9VLXb9JNXBE5UT4OabIx6gxTsnsrb1M1cRPgp1MTtEs517trSs3NUv9R1D pEFMwTFePXqezlJnjC3G46WcJHr+PQWWH0DXncQLZx8JmTX1S/NnrYy4uX/ZBs9yGrFx gh3N0QsBZQqszBoxGrxlcIOn63dhMIvjf+/16yP7FoeEFsbbdMicv1qkCGVtJGUK17t/ 3yKRdgNkMkbi4K7EI1fdil153HvDZQAr7msMj2/H+5dpAaLzKnOdry0vGzcLzyU6oY2y b/cQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LaeAhZ8FVkejXlGygxGMQ6oXy7XY8ZEPzbmzPn4y90U=; b=TJbastHjJvB9oCrFOOZQVWU3H6orNk5MRzrqAlwTkunqPfWJAnOwQrtwBkqaVoDdqK 1/Elz1ZL4MseV9y8WQ569z2VOSyi00qzH02PcpGwSUxowcPAgWBocV8pEff1V4lsY5Uj /8FqNrxdovabEsb3k3p6h/Vrcp9ZYeNrY7hnUDNyEu+PSasMV5cM4BYXlr+N7n0Kn6cp 3g4RkFvewdKGtjY8WSPiV1JPSipEYh5uQnoOzsZwCyaZ6R7tRnpTi5c9xWjgN9OvzvdR K9LbzJIh69ey6Dmfz4jWXvbYEl09LgT8eIhMTc4djZeb9fwQWimfI+sQIMkMJ9kWYcK7 lILQ== jtHp0ly0aFi6mA1xRvlHhhjyzG6pSTsJSBNN2EVGIw== Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 15:15:33 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 6 v 200AH (or better) battery replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM wrote: > > Does anyone know of a source of 6v 200AH (or better) batteries (like on fork lifts or golf carts.) > > I see these things sell for about $200 a piece. I was wondering if anyone knows of a place to get them cheaper. Maybe even slightly used for a discount? I've heard of people buying used Uninterruptible Power Supply batteries from building-wide systems. Dunno where you'd go to find them, though. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 4 18:46:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3454258A053 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:46:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f194.google.com (mail-qk1-f194.google.com [209.85.222.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3244D258A36B for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qk1-f194.google.com with SMTP id e4so5380381qkh.6 for ; Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:41:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+phtUtwyppqaTGHqqXg0DQccx02NYKxukyvxFo/6xbM=; b=PCtnnxwv+9TdVuV6LEZk8EjB0LAOQPWZJlSGkQ8JX8jOlI0lMcCdIzWzijkJAL/UVJ TTJQKusXyEsaK0KGhhvoFHJY8gmTd/zzCpmj7NrTNoiFH33g6DcQwQVITXRNNiR1VXr/ AGKK02mxupADhjKL8oiK2rmr87OsgQdmn8iA0kIvDXbONeDOOAlTrRCwjtvy7Zsw+pz3 axS1KtBCHp+dDDVww8WMbvmgu2cBC0TnLsTxSPHL40xGXLZUeBn2DxczVtyA/VGElglK AcfEnLAlfu46tkS6mMrlLzDnnDL/GbrE/+HAOzJoN6lQipP4G2SmqnBsVyum0ORtejWk yy5g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+phtUtwyppqaTGHqqXg0DQccx02NYKxukyvxFo/6xbM=; b=qCxTFgtsil1TpvGSCacRaPlIzdh9J5NH7ap98VyCzQ4+bUkOqk8h6Jmt9AyGKgjwYK l2gGRLGnK7yB0yWXu3X8Qt8V2BHUcPMW3DNX8k1jfyjZV/ZaoRK7v7aD4t8+DHGKjwio lOYJqsBqWH9xBgJDlO0wX+/Cc6Mbe81ThzeeP0mtBL505EtOaPhDFaFF1beCkRtdRerH E8ec9Z4lFg1QTYqpzhif8xFhLWzcgZINiO8615CQNlirG8J5oMep5ZgOLo2VXxrlQnoX bQc02J6JlXaUpHKjii4b8hKvBb9o+AFycCn6q6wVZu5QlG4N9dZJ5wx19/HkZ7fJ5AT0 /Q0Q== p+gwLJvA5wwypzu+DZHiPuB1FuAIIoFLxwxPoSJ2iA== Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <20181102211800.02CA9258A57F@autox.team.net> From: Chip Mautz Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 16:41:13 -0500 To: rbeels@yahoo.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3924987215989402591== --0000000000009c381a0579b5654e Not a shop question or a Windows 10 question, but when my laptops age, I put a Linux version on them. Some Ubuntu flavor, usually, my fav out of the box is Linux Mint Cinnamon. It works out of the box, recognizes all my hardware (even an old 2008 Win7/8 laptop w/ touch screen! Which I'm typing on now...), etc. Hardware works, printers work, bluetooth works, scanners, etc. Sometimes (most of the time) better than the Mac's in this household. Easily adds years of life to my old intel pc based hardware. Food for thought. I'm also IT, but these modern Ubuntu-based distros just work, out of the box. It's rather amazing. Chip On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:18 PM Richard Beels wrote: > > Here's a hack that will both A> blow your mind it's so simple and B> > cause massive inner anguish at all the time you've wasted pasting in > a letter from that word document.... > > There is an alternate way to type in keys on a PC. > It's called "alt-codes" and uses the ALT key and the number keypad. > You hold down the ALT key and type in a 1-3 digit number on the number > keypad. > It has to be the keypad and not the number keys above the letters. > The number is the decimal value of the ASCII character. > > For Z...... > Z = 90 > z = 122 > > So, to type a "Z", you press the ALT key and while keeping it > pressed, type in 90, and then release the ALT key and a Z should > automagically appear. If you're curious about the other letters, > googling "ascii table" or "ascii chart" should work. > > > > > At 10/08/2018 at 20:57, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Tim .'s > keyboard and said: > >Content-Language: en-US > >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > > boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_" > > > >Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry > >but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer > >side of things than I used to be. > > > >I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. > >Thankfully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only > >took out the "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word > >doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates > >in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can handle > >the updates. > > > >Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU > >@2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1" > > > >Finally here's the question: > > > >What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long > >overdue updates. > > > >cheers > >happily home from sketchy memphis > >tim > > > Cheers! > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/clmautz@gmail.com > > --0000000000009c381a0579b5654e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a shop question or a Windows 10 question, but when my = laptops age, I put a Linux version on them.

Some Ubuntu = flavor, usually, my fav out of the box is Linux Mint Cinnamon.=C2=A0 It wor= ks out of the box, recognizes all my hardware (even an old 2008 Win7/8 lapt= op w/ touch screen!=C2=A0 Which I'm typing on now...), etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0=

Hardware works, printers work, bluetooth works, s= canners, etc.=C2=A0 Sometimes (most of the time) better than the Mac's = in this household.

Easily adds years of life to my= old intel pc based hardware.

Food for thought.=C2= =A0 I'm also IT, but these modern Ubuntu-based distros just work, out o= f the box.=C2=A0 It's rather amazing.

Chip


On F= ri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:18 PM Richard Beels <rbeels@yahoo.com> wrote:

Here's a hack that will both A> blow your mind it's so simple an= d B>
cause massive inner anguish at all the time you've wasted pasting in a letter from that word document....

There is an alternate way to type in keys on a PC.
It's called "alt-codes" and uses the ALT key and the number k= eypad.
You hold down the ALT key and type in a 1-3 digit number on the number keyp= ad.
It has to be the keypad and not the number keys above the letters.
The number is the decimal value of the ASCII character.

For Z......
Z =3D 90
z=C2=A0 =3D 122

So, to type a "Z", you press the ALT key and while keeping it pressed, type in 90, and then release the ALT key and a Z should
automagically appear.=C2=A0 If you're curious about the other letters, =
googling "ascii table" or "ascii chart" should work.



At 10/08/2018 at 20:57, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Tim .'s
keyboard and said:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0boundary=3D"_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233C= E5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_"
>
>Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry =
>but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer >side of things than I used to be.
>
>I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on.
>Thankfully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only
>took out the "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word <= br> >doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates=
>in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can handl= e
>the updates.
>
>Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU >@2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1"
>
>Finally here's the question:
>
>What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for the= se long
>overdue updates.
>
>cheers
>happily home from sketchy memphis
>tim


Cheers!

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Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk

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Dunno where you'd go to find > them, though. > __________________________________________ Battery dealer who supplies them new. Large scale ups batteries are replaced on schedule when they have substantial life in them. There is an active secondary market for them. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 5 22:04:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD146258AA0D for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 22:04:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3342B25885F0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:17:25 -0700 (MST) bh=BKwV9t1C1cWKbXxsmdDF6w42iUnpg1n/vvTVEFapKYk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=CS16p8hM0eafKeELx927o5SpELw3TvB6w+cDApKnEbYjMZrdQuShHnN5/yB6wRNC5 6yt7cG/tDeIqt/5XElIQ/nD3IxrkTOq7cpgIyjCckITF8bWynkT8kfYlQYCnk4+L3h JN3dpQWj3fcimZdOp8sg7ArZWpFpUVov61n4l9g8b58JZbZz+JohKNn4Z0v7AfeK0B lWSkSj8aBP8zeGwwTtgGiss14QfhkAaLLYDHRBVbrPmQwWOiZ2u+ym9PbGuB90OkxM QD4Ob5awQJQza5IAWqcCRia8R5LsAWXfF/wcMBPye8N2JT76rtte6NNkUkBxHRxBKq ERR6m03kuomwA== Authentication-Results: mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=3DYMXQbC0r5Vld96rA0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xupg4knwUDYA:10 a=5732YjHGA3eulpNMpWQA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:52978] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 1E/DA-06223-38FC0EB5; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:17:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:17:14 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Steven Trovato References: <283E1F31-A777-40D1-888A-948E2205EC14@gmail.com> Subject: [Shop-talk] What is this? 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(localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F31258AA32 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 22:22:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7548A2589E11 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:21:45 -0700 (MST) bh=iEUPRDOWeZS/giAIdgjr6FiNpoJEDbJ4gJWfkZXmWW4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=csQdDKRYAY5cdKiBA1wRs8uPJIITwb7Iyce6G0DaIBAWlf+px/4IBrQ+R4y/SRclb TVBmV68VRSjxv4FTk4CX2NFyJYHt/G4+92ClctNQuX8c9+Yq1sGDOYmdGq6trWbTbt IWHF0LwoZVMT7O+Zq5o951pO2M27GKWQdtxIKxQsXgAxbT2DIuP7DcP2YCv8NC7jEK m1eDlg6C9wfvO/2m1rnPdkz5szJlz5jBoa0Wo5G9+4rzDRhmqOUiWZdv/fB1pY5IMS Y2Gm7j72jrbm5pc4AkzTAeV6NEkpYRGskjgfqx82mvhubJKoDa/quZEq7ctzAmGbI7 1SZz+bUItFfFg== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --=====================_1378341685==_ Hi. Found this in a tool box. Does anyone know what this is? The only thing holding these two pieces together is a V-shaped spring. You can see the end of the spring coming through a small hole at the bottom of the picture. There is an equivalent hole for the other end of the spring on the other jaw. There are black deposits as well as metal deposits on this, as well as some sort of grinder marks, perhaps cleaning this thing up after use. It looks like most of the wear is toward the joined end. The whole thing is about 2.5 inches long. 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5667478927199108951== --000000000000bfced70579fefcf1 Just a guess, but I'm going to say heat sink. Do the deposits look like they might be solder? Sometimes a heat sink is used when soldering to limit how far the heat will travel. You can clamp it on the wire and it absorbs heat, preventing it from melting insulation. At 2.5 inches this one might have been intended for plumbing, to control heat flowing along copper pipes. On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:12 PM Steven Trovato wrote: > Hi. Found this in a tool box. Does anyone know what this is? The > only thing holding these two pieces together is a V-shaped > spring. You can see the end of the spring coming through a small > hole at the bottom of the picture. There is an equivalent hole for > the other end of the spring on the other jaw. There are black > deposits as well as metal deposits on this, as well as some sort of > grinder marks, perhaps cleaning this thing up after use. It looks > like most of the wear is toward the joined end. The whole thing is > about 2.5 inches long. Any thoughts on what this is? > > -Steve T. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --000000000000bfced70579fefcf1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a guess, but I'm going to say heat sink.=C2=A0 Do= the deposits look like they might be solder?=C2=A0 Sometimes a heat sink i= s used when soldering to limit how far the heat will travel.=C2=A0 You can = clamp it on the wire and it absorbs heat, preventing it from melting insula= tion.=C2=A0 At 2.5 inches this one might have been intended for plumbing, t= o control heat flowing along copper pipes.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:12 PM Steven Trovato <= ;strovato@optonline.net> w= rote:
Hi.=C2=A0 Found this in a too= l box.=C2=A0 Does anyone know what this is?=C2=A0 The
only thing holding these two pieces together is a V-shaped
spring.=C2=A0 You can see the end of the spring coming through a small
hole at the bottom of the picture.=C2=A0 There is an equivalent hole for the other end of the spring on the other jaw. There are black
deposits as well as metal deposits on this, as well as some sort of
grinder marks, perhaps cleaning this thing up after use.=C2=A0 It looks like most of the wear is toward the joined end.=C2=A0 The whole thing is about 2.5 inches long.=C2=A0 Any thoughts on what this is?

-Steve T.

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--000000000000bfced70579fefcf1-- --===============5667478927199108951== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5667478927199108951==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 08:32:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44449258990B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:32:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ABE2588C50 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:35:04 -0700 (MST) bh=uEQCz8n+zYKuFG7Mzt00b0AD/MsdLSOeb0r2SNHeYh8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=p7c8k6YfdjEFSS+lzsq9O5fvncRfz/dqTtLiGDvLF4slF/JK/cXHvsUfjMPI3HCqN hVLa/OWM0aylF6lz+buyVdGgFK31GpCphDXVfic+/p1rPK0hXkra6BviWypO4IMpG3 jxsRE0QI32Kky9wy1sSiZRYG7TAZ1s2PfSC6f78wgGCah3ansmBC/wc6UKs1QWwZqV euZz+VXQdID2mCLJ0FZC1KhejikkrThp3/OFELM1TmT7KSRcNJcAJRB7DH2IDJR+c3 LlLIGYgd5vgvUOylSiBPG5GX3E8zvZbphnjaS9f2fP2cKT7Nk/uNLPTdJCWIoUbDkV BjUKdpwDPIsTQ== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=jM69coLCAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=v7VswYMPw3itartYceIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=3NIWrJSNDWsA:10 a=xupg4knwUDYA:10 a=aUIk8C7tz_kjonjEaPly:22 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:52618] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 95/51-08159-F86A1EB5; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:34:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:34:42 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Steven Trovato References: <283E1F31-A777-40D1-888A-948E2205EC14@gmail.com> <1E.DA.06223.38FC0EB5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is this? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think Pat and Roland are right. I found some pictures here: http://lumberjocks.com/Brit/blog/24957. Scroll down a bit. Many thanks for solving the mystery! -Steve At 08:24 AM 11/6/2018, Pat Horne wrote: >It looks like the guts of the chuck on a wood boring brace. The >spring is there to open the jaws so you can put in the bit. There >are probably also wear marks across the piece on the opposite end >from the spring on the angled part. Do a search for "brace and bit". > >Peace, >Pat > >Pat Horne >We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 09:20:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D0A25898B4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:20:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com (mail-ot1-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A1D25899D6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id m15so11742127otl.7 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 07:26:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wNvHB4URTUuvBRdzaPGKpXJqpu66xLzSjUw8zL2Mi5w=; b=HtnU4V1FKaT1ZgBBZp3zocJsqbGvt2lsg/AArLUo2uJXIAxvFl9CGb8V8wv4UPkTJT Vj4PbLMSRkzSmz+bpYtsAGoG+U640DkLtiIvn+OSHtTGxIyVf0W9/4OmK/8Zf9cTb4hR 2lggQVG+hsnauQMMxw8qoPShDZH+Klx+SW5lS4fC0Hk8Aps+RtqCq7txkrNlgKbF321I 6tJs9CBR6M8MRFx3vxVvFkoYL2xHJUqj18QEoV7fkh76c/qtV6RkTgwofyHEMWp1TDk4 LU16Cuico5b6GVHvKxeQcN3WC85RRb9P0g2zIn1bHIFbWNy41v72/lQPC6IzLlSBXFvS tSxw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wNvHB4URTUuvBRdzaPGKpXJqpu66xLzSjUw8zL2Mi5w=; b=W1KXz1AP9VN/nKNCGqtieDyXsdh64SLqI1rFKQrY3o/Bk51puzzQgR+MNaFVe2w5Ui gMFTpKJZZ0yAwlktn56/8uT45MpW1yk/JBgYjgs7cTrBgbEX6/G3Rw/rQydQtlrsoNLh a96VOcL9Bh5fFKapuqfopXrMJUlr8ujsT/L2KWupMd5EUrfnWFjCKN9uESqk+gpMbmyp FrIdlElohQWU+3c2gDLHQZjc4vx7wjvG/oqS1v4VZQ2RGGxs0PPdPC/FruEHiFn3Fp/d q8sxx3co4SPolrbOEaiXut44BVcKENFX9koaW2OrDKN1tzh0mAGrKY1J6Dm0xtumeM5b BH+w== HwN7wpJZYGE4mF9uPXcoLSkwTnRg2R0lYXB35JM= Tue, 06 Nov 2018 07:26:02 -0800 (PST) References: <283E1F31-A777-40D1-888A-948E2205EC14@gmail.com> <1E.DA.06223.38FC0EB5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 10:25:51 -0500 To: Steven Trovato Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is this? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:11 AM Steven Trovato wrote: > > Hi. Found this in a tool box. Does anyone know what this is? I note that the teeth are cut so as to engage one another, rather than be point to point. That makes me think it is for clamping smaller things rather than larger things. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 6 11:24:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137682589AF4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:24:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com [17.58.37.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21322589A47 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:23:30 -0700 (MST) ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PHS00O005E1CX00@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:23:11 +0000 (GMT) t=1541521391; bh=TNMH8cjazPR19/sgOd3l5VduwuoPZ3Y7x1saAB0iXmM=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=bx9uLixpQk7UNWqhVv6d621AaXQFfO3uABuejeHej+RtKRCx0l/LDTq2GKEuOOiEP DeSs9Ia6peyMNMXpMDFtvNYoSaiDTM2/sDZlPT9k0/UBClYykCOKPKIncRX2TNYzqz lz1p0dfAzjEt2QUCvvNp6jM+TY25woHdrVZsgRmmWIv9mE7wB3LO6hEWkAJhuFFwf5 EXR0cXMS7/tioODUOncTJvBJP2cgAJsVusxO30IOENTSD5d/k/MzBCgs1GfkUWGL83 Px335SDdRD4bc/BY3xzfYBKd+BNoyr/Kbh+DTg8Zisps8UtZTJW3SwZo1rT8qvDdJ0 XlJr/DZaTIfwA== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PHS0034R5IIID10@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:23:09 +0000 (GMT) malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=766 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1811060144 definitions=2018-11-06_07:,, signatures=0 From: Pat Horne Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:23:05 -0600 References: <283E1F31-A777-40D1-888A-948E2205EC14@gmail.com> <1E.DA.06223.38FC0EB5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <95.51.08159.F86A1EB5@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> To: Steven Trovato Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is this? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5105710066331192093== boundary="----=_Part_1168874_436158314.1541708885131" ------=_Part_1168874_436158314.1541708885131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, I'm in the fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new hous= e nearby, who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.=C2=A0 T= he only caveat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of m= y vehicles leak something or another...The house is brand new; the concrete= was poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.=C2=A0 There's= been construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and= other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus requi= red safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things= on the floor.I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with either = TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then apply = a sealant.=C2=A0 I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had g= ood luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence t= his question).=C2=A0 Curious if you folks have any recommendations on proce= dures and/or specific products?=C2=A0 One thing I saw that looked interesti= ng, was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but which seeme= d like it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it. Thanks,Mike ------=_Part_1168874_436158314.1541708885131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,

I'm in the = fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house nearby, w= ho is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.  The only cav= eat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicles = leak something or another...
The house is brand new; the concrete= was poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.  There's= been construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and= other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus requi= red safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things= on the floor.
I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor w= ith either TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and = then apply a sealant.  I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I ha= ven't had good luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own hou= se (hence this question).  Curious if you folks have any recommendatio= ns on procedures and/or specific products?  One thing I saw that looke= d interesting, was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but = which seemed like it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it.<= /div>

Thanks,
Mike
------=_Part_1168874_436158314.1541708885131-- --===============5105710066331192093== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5105710066331192093==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 9 20:20:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5079625880A3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 20:20:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com [17.58.37.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9052588E88 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:36:43 -0700 (MST) ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PHY00000F15Z900@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 01:36:14 +0000 (GMT) t=1541813774; bh=vOe90ZwGJb75hrHZDBSNey1ePXRXEjQcyWMOjlYPxaE=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=VoIml5nIY+9bbL1wZDIJqHG0jqaM3rdlJxLEesXkAk53jIoR07Iq725QNg11Atqg5 Jv6YpjvxJKRyfI8jkTtb2cCFb8fC/5bQp2IcgEfTwEYh0jtWSkIdR6M5+deJ57Swqf fVVhvrv0NqATK/sO5cg+QdeAB1gT3mJ1lIesvOqkvSalH9pRGgywz6pKbOgf+/Bkfe K8o+m6PIGg+T01z9oAW5dz6aeBj16oUrf++V8L9xeY8/hbkScBrVoo4S7LxvsCRg6U fDEN19Fi8xw3PJy4gD9fsvy8KajP1vMpv+oYvXY9dx0HYozAwp2T4IN+YOLEw4rvPY mlxp+V4qNxNhg== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PHY00PNYF4A2I60@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 01:36:13 +0000 (GMT) malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1811100012 definitions=2018-11-09_09:,, signatures=0 From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:36:09 -0600 References: <430474778.1168876.1541708885132.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <430474778.1168876.1541708885132@mail.yahoo.com> To: Obaa Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Prep/etch/sealing a new concrete floor? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7266144006682092928== boundary=Apple-Mail-343D4758-5F9C-4E17-9612-6D672A333552 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-343D4758-5F9C-4E17-9612-6D672A333552 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal the floo= r before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99t done mu= ch research. https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#c= omment-70753 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Obaa wrote: Hey all, I'm in the fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house= nearby, who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles. The only= caveat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicl= es leak something or another... The house is brand new; the concrete was poured mid-summer, so I expect it i= s fully cured by now. There's been construction traffic through the garage (= some paint/drywall drips and other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnac= e, water heater, plus required safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the= house are the only things on the floor. I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with either TSP, or perhaps= a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then apply a sealant. I do= n't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had good luck with hot tire= lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence this question). Curious= if you folks have any recommendations on procedures and/or specific product= s? One thing I saw that looked interesting, was a chemical concrete "harden= er", which sounded good, but which seemed like it would affect adhesion of a= ny sealant applied over it. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-343D4758-5F9C-4E17-9612-6D672A333552 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a s= hop fire & want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found t= his site but haven=E2=80=99t done much research. https://al= lgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Oba= a <obaa996@yahoo.com> wrote:<= br>
Hey all,

I'm in t= he fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house nearby,= who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.  The only ca= veat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicles l= eak something or another...
The house is brand new; the concrete w= as poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.  There's be= en construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and oth= er stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus required s= afety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things on th= e floor.
I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with eit= her TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then app= ly a sealant.  I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had= good luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence t= his question).  Curious if you folks have any recommendations on proced= ures and/or specific products?  One thing I saw that looked interesting= , was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but which seemed l= ike it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it.

<= /div>
Thanks,
Mike
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= --Apple-Mail-343D4758-5F9C-4E17-9612-6D672A333552-- --===============7266144006682092928== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7266144006682092928==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 14 22:03:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69596258986C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:03:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f175.google.com (mail-it1-f175.google.com [209.85.166.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B772588D5D for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it1-f175.google.com with SMTP id r12-v6so7032457ita.3 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 07:07:17 -0800 (PST) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qUO+x7FbbhCcxa2zpBVjZUAvSnC0OHGU1Du2SvkLdQo=; b=qfA0ru0QNcCZkB1SuUBf7djA/7Vv8fWDr3KiVoaUgSduo8RMbpV8Ppess40RDKHFPh 2SdihbKA/iWqHAONyXyy5ilMnfKAQPkymA6yvGCGVqlJ4sqxxaJQkkuPvgFqS2UkHCUT R3eYXduG1V0H+wfR9k/zGqu71phkp1PSCtZlI= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qUO+x7FbbhCcxa2zpBVjZUAvSnC0OHGU1Du2SvkLdQo=; b=FD9xUC94A0py7QbLpKTObNEV5LjGNGkFUK8HqaPpfsdU36AegieFuiKcXQd9XMGyUi fZTxM68gvQJpb6l0WjI7LgnAU1RHDZzE+MvUtTw3yHIEQNP6PEzjnOIcNU1q9vVmT6o+ crJvraysoTi4FEeNkFWSfpNoVXgjvfiyHf1ykrDe/CgUi3og4NtIh9thnwQaQvT4c0gg gYpD65GzvewcH6qbAaVsGlukPNj/hlTHiacxc8UVJl2TY2I2W98YA2N49c/j/cvXa4cz aBcvN/bB/LwsJko8if+2r9a/DffHujMtgkUya8W4x1fu/8G0cUCjCzLxkxyPGEtwv/Yj Gl6A== fNs+3evKomH/kvE+myrXT09yU2FB52X+U4h5ZpWLwg== r203-v6mr2929769itd.124.1541862431090; Sat, 10 Nov 2018 07:07:11 -0800 (PST) References: <430474778.1168876.1541708885132.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <430474778.1168876.1541708885132@mail.yahoo.com> <62B0EBA0-C049-4E43-97BC-AFE0CAB465BA@icloud.com> From: Ian McFetridge Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:07:00 -0500 To: Pat Horne Cc: Obaa , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Prep/etch/sealing a new concrete floor? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5309351250577454952== --0000000000007f8207057a50d26e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences. For the first two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to avoid slipping. The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump sprayer. I believe the intention is to open the pores in the concrete so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond as it seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place. This was virgin cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the construction debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle brush until it was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy. The epoxy held up well for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter size chunks were lifted by hot tires over the years. For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of muriatic acid, I believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2=80=99t recall. Th= is solution clearly opened the pores in the concrete better and since it was a single bay I took my time to make sure it looked evenly etched. I used the same epoxy and it held up without lifting until we moved several years later, including parking my autocross car in there with sticky race tires (Hoosiers). One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish the c= oncrete. I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some commercial locations and I seems to serve the same purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I suppose you can just republish any blemishes. Best, Ian On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne wrote: > I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal the f= loor > before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99t done m= uch > research. > https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-707= 53 > > Peace, > Pat > --0000000000007f8207057a50d26e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences.= =C2=A0 For the first two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips i= n it to avoid slipping.=C2=A0 The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed i= nto a pump sprayer.=C2=A0 I believe the intention is to open the pores in t= he concrete so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond= as it seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place.=C2=A0 This was vi= rgin cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the construc= tion debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle brush until it = was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy.=C2=A0 The epoxy held up well= for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter size chunks were lifted= by hot tires over the years. =C2=A0=C2=A0

For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of = muriatic acid, I believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2= =80=99t recall.=C2=A0 This solution clearly opened the pores in the concret= e better and since it was a single bay I took my time to make sure it looke= d evenly etched. =C2=A0 I used the same epoxy and it held up without liftin= g until we moved several years later, including parking my autocross car in= there with sticky race tires (Hoosiers). =C2=A0
One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like = to try is to polish the concrete.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some comm= ercial locations and I seems to serve the same purpose, but there is no lay= er to fail and I suppose you can just republish any blemishes. =C2=A0
=

Best,
= Ian

On Fri, Nov 9= , 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne <p= atintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire &am= p; want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site bu= t haven=E2=80=99t done much research.=C2=A0h= ttps://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753<= /a>

Peace,
Pat
--0000000000007f8207057a50d26e-- --===============5309351250577454952== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5309351250577454952==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 15 07:46:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C66258980F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:46:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC5D2589B81 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id NH8CgEezJymujNHzrg482C; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:47:51 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1542289671; bh=BXyGjPI79L2q50TrLcl9j5eyHdLLdf8sC41JaCRnqH4=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=dOQ9JmvAhJwZIiev/050BKCgLMQ1S9mLclv5+an/sm6g0IcGI9pHt9Qh8xDkSrmYR RTzlx1WDBjzfeCPZJkF9TcomFOzddbCo1YcTS8FA87DflGkRyFGmWlJiLzaXDJ7Bxx UAaeh6ZnYnmMOHEPIo+pau+8PU1chOd495X2ogyPrsP6uBMVRebApfguHDTG8r17M1 mc+P3P7U+sHaJVG3zWgKtYSNMfPn19EaLd/17KvoiP8eIvOt+2I2mZDwVWJ6yCKn0S Em2gqh17qjWlyyMQPppZcKwIyg/kPOnJXYgCsukFfz5bMSD7HhJr1+mpWmdgu08PTE p+DCRwcqFPHHQ== Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([73.17.214.72]) by resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id NHzqghYKhse8jNHzrgbDC3; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:47:51 +0000 From: Rochlin Robert Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:47:50 -0500 References: <430474778.1168876.1541708885132.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <430474778.1168876.1541708885132@mail.yahoo.com> <62B0EBA0-C049-4E43-97BC-AFE0CAB465BA@icloud.com> To: Shop-Talk jWrHaaIxxZ7n8dljEM8MMP/s10/xc7gF17kcEA6E/wdH1DJSTVc72KrL6KSMLSVRIewxXmphlP3y3A== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Prep/etch/sealing a new concrete floor? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0090022840280672350== boundary="Apple-Mail=_7919F142-E265-4BE8-9133-30626A39F57C" --Apple-Mail=_7919F142-E265-4BE8-9133-30626A39F57C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I also used the Rustoleum Epoxy. The floor has work out OK, but = there are a few patches where the concrete effervesced after application = which led to epoxy failure. If I were to do it again, I would definitely = not use the citrus etching product that comes with the epoxy, but as Ian = did, use muriatic acid. I=E2=80=99m sure that Rustoleum uses the citrus = etch to avoid consumer suits arising from acid burns, but it is not = nearly as effective as a muriatic acid etch. Bob=20 > On Nov 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Ian McFetridge = wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences. For the = first two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to = avoid slipping. The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump = sprayer. I believe the intention is to open the pores in the concrete = so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond as it = seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place. This was virgin = cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the = construction debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle = brush until it was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy. The epoxy = held up well for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter size = chunks were lifted by hot tires over the years. =20 >=20 > For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of muriatic acid, = I believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2=80=99t = recall. This solution clearly opened the pores in the concrete better = and since it was a single bay I took my time to make sure it looked = evenly etched. I used the same epoxy and it held up without lifting = until we moved several years later, including parking my autocross car = in there with sticky race tires (Hoosiers). =20 >=20 > One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish = the concrete. I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some commercial locations and I = seems to serve the same purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I = suppose you can just republish any blemishes. =20 >=20 > Best, > Ian >=20 > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal = the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99= t done much research. = https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-7075= 3 = >=20 > Peace, > Pat > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rrochlin@comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7919F142-E265-4BE8-9133-30626A39F57C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I also = used the Rustoleum Epoxy.  The floor has work out OK, but there are = a few patches where the concrete effervesced after application which led = to epoxy failure. If I were to do it again, I would definitely not use the citrus etching product that comes with the = epoxy, but as Ian did, use muriatic acid.  I=E2=80=99m sure that = Rustoleum uses the citrus etch to avoid consumer suits arising from acid = burns, but it is not nearly as effective as a muriatic acid etch.
= Bob 

On Nov 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, = Ian McFetridge <shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org> wrote:

Hi All,

I coated = three garages and can share some of my experiences.  For the first = two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to avoid = slipping.  The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump = sprayer.  I believe the intention is to open the pores in the = concrete so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond = as it seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place.  This was = virgin cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the = construction debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle = brush until it was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy.  The = epoxy held up well for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter = size chunks were lifted by hot tires over the years. =   

For the third garage I used a stronger = concentration of muriatic acid, I believe it was 10% volume to volume = solution, but can=E2=80=99t recall.  This solution clearly opened = the pores in the concrete better and since it was a single bay I took my = time to make sure it looked evenly etched.   I used the same epoxy = and it held up without lifting until we moved several years later, = including parking my autocross car in there with sticky race tires = (Hoosiers).  

One thing I=E2=80=99ve = seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish the concrete.  = I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some commercial locations and I seems to serve = the same purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I suppose you can = just republish any blemishes.  
Best,
Ian

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at = 10:20 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & = want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site = but haven=E2=80=99t done much research. https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#c= omment-70753

Peace,
Pat
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Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:32:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3F32588622 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:29:20 -0700 (MST) Sensitivity: Importance: Normal References: <4e3296e2-ba1a-f17a-502b-f71fa864f65a@comcast.net> From: eric@megageek.com To: "SHOPTALK DIGEST" Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 12:29:19 -0500 9.0.1FP7|August 17, 2016) at 11/18/2018 12:29:19 PM, Serialize complete at 11/18/2018 12:29:19 PM, Serialize by Router on Deep13/Megageek(Release 9.0.1FP7|August 17, 2016) at 11/18/2018 12:29:20 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [OT] Computer History/Bill Godbout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Thank you sharing this. These stories, while tragic, should also serve as a reminder to us all that life is unpredictable and can be taken at any moment. We need to always be thankful for our blessings (don't wait until Thursday's feast to do so.) With that, I'm thankful for all my cyber buddies here that have helped me countless times over the decades (wow, is that right, decades?) I've been here. To all, thank you, be safe, and tell the ones you love how much they mean to you! Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 18 20:21:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CEB25884CC for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 20:21:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com (mail-pf1-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9BD2587EF6 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 20:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 64so9638329pfr.9 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:12:20 -0800 (PST) d=kerch-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version; bh=9Oe1XcYqRPLEaryozqtRGX//LEeGnKpnMM1q3epVmKM=; b=ukVcUkgmtiA0v7vGLPppAkXkmGdm7lhuHqQu/o9LFMjpWFZ3OmtyvJE4H9rfJRlgwx EL6zwghtKMXZqbdZcl3x0nM2Tl++8pjvF8noP2/kIPMR/TDeX+nD9Sw7CdVWFRrRMXUG BF1WVre44TFV5hjITGV2iId91Fugqkdyuql9xzt4OJu+Lk/lD3v9teVc64RmZPaHLRuF oUrp0WTZMbIt+qS+htrC/t4C3vJbtjuPwqB0K6FlFcB52kTXPCrYIKwC+TUZAevkc6nt EEAvgMrRIP3/KJknStzpYUhYlBPdEt4fPpsyk8u7Rty+PjpWnMwe+e4adid67Q6ke926 3QEg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version; bh=9Oe1XcYqRPLEaryozqtRGX//LEeGnKpnMM1q3epVmKM=; b=nAhptiR1E2z5k8ED8CZWhJznilTyvdseRAM4V3al6/zu+XOVFRBnVMq6pR9XhRJ8Jc PLSWVEiJZFYqeFDhb/z4FoBhB6gu5sIfHJ04XImIhPZCc1DDSX1NXXshny2ttaAQQf0S bYHNaxP8M938gS+hKLqCflUTx41VPPUBfHUj7jyUrP8pi3k1aXm+vjasOfIvsZv7FGYb 8yw2XSRluC77DT/pGkFBOJFWFbAt1BJWvYWBxjK+RBXxECyU3ZkSB6hAFjnXg7GDZE5y LSbe4V3kErZcXi1QguNonWSDtBA3C41nvmwPfZL/ja3kL4CKQFV1KHEu6d3oavd7eUgA RlGw== zcaElwZTeOqMzDgbfj7MT+rlU1Lds71z9Q== y62-v6mr21534115pfy.218.1542597134117; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2601:647:4e01:8fe4:cc7d:1a13:200::] ([2601:647:4e01:8fe4:5ce7:f871:ebbf:b288]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i21sm38362531pgm.17.2018.11.18.19.12.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:12:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:11:42 -0800 From: Berry Kercheval To: SHOPTALK DIGEST , eric@megageek.com References: <4e3296e2-ba1a-f17a-502b-f71fa864f65a@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [OT] Computer History/Bill Godbout Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8731912340394281284== --5bf22a08_66334873_b4e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Oasis bar is actually in Sunnyvale, and is still there. I drove past it today. On Nov 18, 2018, 9:31 AM -0800, eric@megageek.com, wrote: > Bob, > > Thank you sharing this. These stories, while tragic, should also serve as a reminder to us all that life is unpredictable and can be taken at any moment. > We need to always be thankful for our blessings (don't wait until Thursday's feast to do so.) > > With that, I'm thankful for all my cyber buddies here that have helped me countless times over the decades (wow, is that right, decades?) I've been here. > > To all, thank you, be safe, and tell the ones you love how much they mean to you! > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/berry@kerch.com > --5bf22a08_66334873_b4e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
The Oasis bar is actually in Sunnyva= le, and is still there. I drove past it today.
On Nov 18, 2018, 9:31 AM -0800, eri= c=40megageek.com, wrote:
Bob,

Thank you sharing this. These stories, while tragic, should also serve as= a reminder to us all that life is unpredictable and can be taken at any = moment.
We need to always be thankful for our blessings (don't wait until Thursda= y's feast to do so.)

With that, I'm thankful for all my cyber buddies here that have helped me= countless times over the decades (wow, is that right, decades=3F) I've b= een here.

To all, thank you, be safe, and tell the ones you love how much they mean= to you=21

Eric
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--5bf22a08_66334873_b4e-- --===============8731912340394281284== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8731912340394281284==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 18 21:20:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F0A2587C0E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:20:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FB62587A04 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id OaD8gEwNBJgaJOazcgahRF; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 04:17:00 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1542601020; bh=jtq339Vw+nSam4f6f/kZsW7+HwypbxCkQSUCogak1D8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nLN9+X5DsLukyaEcfCI9jUWE9MmnOe+oMLOmBF/PHCUyGs2174kckYsxNnInW2otU qheYnWbWGfbjPhW9/rq5JTt+tAfW+1Tzprdz4RsIEO1iZVZ+CLVxobBhVvTzL5Ymqi Y4mpBt8yICgO5ppqog+IeBlBAc6D7EP650MN8qvIugoX/Vwckymns8Ww6vCN01nQ4C xpQnoLkGbs0kJKIUwlkOFZr5RVSLbj+vMmbKYbLbv+RhBGSGvL9aYqwBKX4rGKS+rS tmCF1jm71XEYY7XTeOazzogIiZVeKuNKAQAV/0oL3380b7ITNVEddD0GSqmQc4ro1Z BofbGahR6WljA== Received: from [IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:6913:36d8:130a:91cd] ([IPv6:2601:203:201:2005:6913:36d8:130a:91cd]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id OazagDoH0sSYsOazbgt6fA; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 04:16:59 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4e3296e2-ba1a-f17a-502b-f71fa864f65a@comcast.net> <7701fd3b-c6eb-4585-819b-31cd4c17613b@Spark> From: Bob Spidell Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 20:16:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 Content-Language: en-US stn/F+0BwRZPM/n9InXNa+QK7ywMPDb+Olr1q7ZhQsnoUbde6XGahwK+o7rDIRll1RCug/Gn2ZGFqSy9/LxyljSxlZQEcksRG9cOfL41cmR25wqR3iYFCF4Z Na951jr6YNIdyAut28jWe41MVekBA17DJQPfuHA+XkzqNIjx3LPCQJx7PikYEXl2 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [OT] Computer History/Bill Godbout Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============9005998440776941761== boundary="------------08EFCC8097EF6D2E2F7F84D5" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------08EFCC8097EF6D2E2F7F84D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're both wrong*: "Others, at the suggestion of Roger Melen , convened at The Oasis ,^[7] a bar and grill on El Camino Real in nearby Menlo Park , recalled years later by a member as "Homebrew's other staging area".^[8] As Steven Levy wrote about the Oasis gatherings:..." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_Computer_Club * but I was closer ;) On 11/18/2018 7:11 PM, Berry Kercheval wrote: > The Oasis bar is actually in Sunnyvale, and is still there. I drove > past it today. > On Nov 18, 2018, 9:31 AM -0800, eric@megageek.com, wrote: >> Bob, >> >> Thank you sharing this. These stories, while tragic, should also >> serve as a reminder to us all that life is unpredictable and can be >> taken at any moment. >> We need to always be thankful for our blessings (don't wait until >> Thursday's feast to do so.) >> >> With that, I'm thankful for all my cyber buddies here that have >> helped me countless times over the decades (wow, is that right, >> decades?) I've been here. >> >> To all, thank you, be safe, and tell the ones you love how much they >> mean to you! >> >> Eric --------------08EFCC8097EF6D2E2F7F84D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We're both wrong*:

"Others, at the suggestion of Roger Melen, convened at The Oasis,[7] a bar and grill on El Camino Real in nearby Menlo Park, recalled years later by a member as "Homebrew's other staging area".[8] As Steven Levy wrote about the Oasis gatherings:..."

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homebrew_Computer_Club

* but I was closer ;)


On 11/18/2018 7:11 PM, Berry Kercheval wrote:
The Oasis bar is actually in Sunnyvale, and is still there. I drove past it today.
On Nov 18, 2018, 9:31 AM -0800, eric@megageek.com, wrote:
Bob,

Thank you sharing this. These stories, while tragic, should also serve as a reminder to us all that life is unpredictable and can be taken at any moment.
We need to always be thankful for our blessings (don't wait until Thursday's feast to do so.)

With that, I'm thankful for all my cyber buddies here that have helped me countless times over the decades (wow, is that right, decades?) I've been here.

To all, thank you, be safe, and tell the ones you love how much they mean to you!

Eric
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After a couple of years the plastic is split. I'd like to replace the spouts - they need not collapse. Anyone have any experience with this? Google has failed me so I am asking a higher power... -- Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 19:47:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B025882B3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:47:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f46.google.com (mail-io1-f46.google.com [209.85.166.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9BA2588283 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io1-f46.google.com with SMTP id l14so140518ioj.5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:41:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VVw+SNB6XcrAcL1nC7qbIlNpXUshRZ5w5ezbpa0k87A=; b=eRR2L06Mb+2AOcCfNWuWOHMJmSxiZ2cKBUJf864SmzpmF3Vb0VONHeJfBDKn2bR9vU smqcsbwcJiL0VAUXjnzes91Cb1RcS7ujQGtJoF7nd8IPsnPQEzI3PEAhSzy1EF4un7Tx Y0z5ktF2dQ0IiW6Tmv815pTLUgE4QdLypBFZhJr9QbEihmMAu2E1FtRz4V+5xDYbhyOK 73vM5H0Ufbzz7FD/a3lZEVUj691jk0Jo+NOCiBvtRJFYwOhBLPX5RURlRXdxrkbhKEgJ L5xMgqjwjzDGt1xntYzBeDlMIv6YelgWGo1A3gA8ZpE7w6IoQF8zVjxucbjAiu8x/VQ6 Xd2g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VVw+SNB6XcrAcL1nC7qbIlNpXUshRZ5w5ezbpa0k87A=; b=mB+fk1XPEWnEeldCycO5bHzNDcsgb4MUpCU/m9BJfXmlMdSWoQSUCyZFoj9YuofVOJ 7Oq0Ab6zXZz7EZFM459lSXp1yGUFvJwvsdo6lIpQUzDnVNSaD1ARyrJbI8GhWdIq2V2Y FChZOP5dvvIbVk5Ey2k9JK5YCS2F7SuD74Ij4Rx6/LPjxMZlR2ataa+9Ns3R1EKF0mh7 hys5pNxHXl6eHrBvjnVAMAI//U2fJcoSEC3bsU74SEufq2tAg00S85cO8MmLc8mtieXj crHz74e8rMWXrwetTOJeK7kDl6ScpmfrqoY1vF/sOKdydFjyqebGsE8wsz93hD00CvwJ 1LVQ== FDmQliZdh2iQexnbwICqwlZQzwnd7EQXp2UB/qQ= Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:41:52 -0800 (PST) References: <62181b3a-7d75-755f-7af5-03e436b10e38@mebtel.net> From: John Innis Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:41:46 -0600 To: Eric J Russell Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Can Spout Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7879114912563262255== --00000000000076b46d057b0f930b I found some replacement spouts at the local farm store. https://www.theisens.com/products/replacement-spout-kit/72900015/ On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:33 PM Eric Russell wrote: > I have a couple of 5 gallon metal gas cans - like these: > https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuels > > The spouts are plastic - designed to collapse down level with the top of > the can. After a couple of years the plastic is split. > > I'd like to replace the spouts - they need not collapse. Anyone have any > experience with this? Google has failed me so I am asking a higher power... > > -- > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --00000000000076b46d057b0f930b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I found some replacement spouts at t= he local farm store.=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:33 P= M Eric Russell <ejrussell@mebtel= .net> wrote:
I have a couple= of 5 gallon metal gas cans - like these:
https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuels

The spouts are plastic - designed to collapse down level with the top of the can. After a couple of years the plastic is split.

I'd like to replace the spouts - they need not collapse. Anyone have an= y
experience with this? Google has failed me so I am asking a higher power...=

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--00000000000076b46d057b0f930b-- --===============7879114912563262255== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7879114912563262255==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 20:10:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A9E258832C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:10:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B14425882D5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:53:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id a77so346056oii.5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:53:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=owdyI7TCm/izNjT3mqUdZw1Z7shrU0iOWB0VFeVZtQo=; b=aUZrDgJSJdROvCJMtuXOLp/ukdQx05niSS2pksa5cWdMybKFRDbfMPnvhlyuFl3IuD BQ2E+bh2TfIW+UvEQ3phDdlv9la5tzWnKYGzISLAlfY6TcCIJw0rdT6Dtfq/xb67CeyJ hvnhHALl9lw4JhBIC8Zi/CaG1DNQvNGS9NExuysPGs5CU2UzeMFIDYRbEK5x08Gp8VvY Om6yb09f+rz4kfdO9LmyEnUV7nEYzWNM1pvX6P0X2ihdY3ljOH1GJU7t3lBxdYlkMQQt OVqycLRZFXypqurYQY805Kb0t1DzWzdHvqFXjWkZkbwKiO81USmT9uKFJip1BoOYcDjY f3sg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=owdyI7TCm/izNjT3mqUdZw1Z7shrU0iOWB0VFeVZtQo=; b=RolrbsRIZhtBQKznv16u5qdB/uMsaBSYBR2ZbxnrBui//0n4sfupNdh/OsWX7dZ9EY AQqFK+mGtX/u6rpzgszkvFA0MNN1p3EGoZeLuTmo6EFIOA4X5m/ainMpjGblXTV6hlLC oyz22sCDP0b+gEQcUvrf2SDkQqtZUCFPGKjHC4mKMl8XW7wdaV+rqpnqmla047mt70e5 hXQXuU78lolEEFsjrwfqUTIlHMLp2TiXZPPLkPa2pKqAaWRZGoNQl+oXswhJlIqHu63A CrqnMFHiQzrU3Cx7jWYhDL7NIcOaHNISDmeepBTwxchbk9IR79MePvj7MCRgL7xcEnOD 08pg== yZ9gY7eviC8/4C23oIg/XdRXixQDtsWeBiUYjQQ= Mon, 19 Nov 2018 18:53:14 -0800 (PST) References: <62181b3a-7d75-755f-7af5-03e436b10e38@mebtel.net> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:53:04 -0500 To: Eric J Russell Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Can Spout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:32 PM Eric Russell wrote: > > I have a couple of 5 gallon metal gas cans - like these: > https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuels > > I'd like to replace the spouts - they need not collapse. What size is the opening? Is it threaded in any way? I suspect not, but just in case, I'd look at drum spouts such as https://www.mcmaster.com/drum-spouts You might also look for a jerry can type of spout, where a lever expands a rubber seal to secure the spout to the hole. Something like this: https://forums.g503.com/viewtopic.php?t=196575 but I have no idea where to start looking for a new one...or if it would fit your application... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 19 21:12:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5B025880BB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:12:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.onyx.syn-alias.com [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729AC2588066 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:08:45 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1542686919; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=nuhJiwCzNo7BQCkq1TzmJ7EeVPI=; b=F4NnG3gUG2vJle9lMjg/WWMiJ/bmasSnFctrbsvI55JAJ3JG+uFQBCajINw+YrIy 1DF4UKuA6C8ULOTUfdAn3hj0TL0Z1lFU44KbBvTmRM6XddK4CjJvVAY5OeMoyZ8V cjHQBtBMn1RP2kXhi3+9Wl9GSbaFR0DLddjFmdUCjKaOrYvVQd9sOGIkyUY/iVgR OVa90d2/d1ggOP0KoqIj9CjWRpV6qPud1+4WgW+tMMig5LxUr3COuSTM4KxhDdHd d8MoeqpWQx6aj8yvkow4CFoNfrAxo2NEEXLI5HyyX4FoGv1lY752eWAnWa5t9Y4Q Yg/cbPuXoHcYGELyRf+wQQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=JHtHm7312UAA:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=f_F1sn0VAAAA:8 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=weJ6GhDPEHihY2qwVK0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=jUh5O_F4v9cLRY0IntHQ:22 a=aV7dBIaQGxVzPdDgIuml:22 a=tjNemD4wtFR24VrVMQME:22 Authentication-Results: smtp01.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:63373] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 62/0C-23411-7C883FB5; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:08:39 -0500 Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <62181b3a-7d75-755f-7af5-03e436b10e38@mebtel.net> From: Eric Russell Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:08:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Can Spout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The opening is not threaded. There appears to be a metal crimp holding the plastic 'collapsible' piece to the metal lid. This same type of spout is used on 5 gallon pails of hydraulic fluid, paint, etc. Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 11/19/2018 9:53 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:32 PM Eric Russell wrote: >> I have a couple of 5 gallon metal gas cans - like these: >> https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuels >> >> I'd like to replace the spouts - they need not collapse. > What size is the opening? Is it threaded in any way? I suspect not, > but just in case, I'd look at drum spouts such as > https://www.mcmaster.com/drum-spouts _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 20 14:12:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EFA25883C3 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:12:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from firebrick.maple.relay.mailchannels.net (firebrick.maple.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.214.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5302588966 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997995C21CB for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.11.179]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 200E55C2400 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:58:54 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A0980030 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) :to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=milleredp.com; bh=YFa qpDW6qFfRls7ylNKVLohkH7g=; b=z0bZDPRGSQTY24wvelaAvek5sKviMwZnxqG uqYJAzXbbSuiPcOhfkAqBEbolD7/gLWiTUTkM9vRAQl0sYo201/tW6KWpB2oLfFp 0od5puKulBN/qqwTarxNXVTbUbistdXvbPOaM2g8ocTnRfwPqKA4YsnYGSZ6Djm3 bGybO/RQ= Received: from [10.1.2.140] (c-67-161-16-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.161.16.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jem@milleredp.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CD718001C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <62181b3a-7d75-755f-7af5-03e436b10e38@mebtel.net> From: John Miller Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:59:07 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Gas Can Spout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/19/2018 6:41 PM, John Innis wrote: > I found some replacement spouts at the local farm store. > https://www.theisens.com/products/replacement-spout-kit/72900015/ Ah yes, the conversion kit for the California-compliant plastic gas cans with the horrible vapor-trap nozzle, for those who actually want their gas cans to be red and don't want to buy a white finger-quotes 'water can'. They're also widely available on the usual Internet sewers (Amazon, eBay) at varying prices. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 12:53:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703412588CFD for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:53:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDAE258835B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:05:02 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:05:01 -0500 11/21/2018 02:05:07 PM, Serialize complete at 11/21/2018 02:05:07 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7834614910140767656== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0068D4F28525834C_= 1998 GMC 3500 mason dump. LOW miles ( 87K) Gas engine When it runs, it is flawless. Great idle, lots of power, no issues. Kept in heated garage. Always on a battery tender. About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.) when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall. I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine. Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks. The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.) I went to start it up and it wouldn't start. Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start. After I tried a few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking. I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.) Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall. Gas smell coming out of tailpipe. Checked spark, all good. Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor. After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words, I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up. So I tried it today and it started right up. So this is clearly an issue with the moisture. My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot? I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.) ODBC tool has no codes. Any ideas on how to fix this? I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something. Thanks! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0068D4F28525834C_= 1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking.  

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something.  

Thanks!


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"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0068D4F28525834C_=-- --===============7834614910140767656== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7834614910140767656==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 13:27:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0EF25883EE for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:27:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A152588B3D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.229]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id PVWIgLP7b0DGbPYz5gAwXa; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:20:27 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1542831627; bh=CKMnsjSQVM1O2Y+RVzgK1ERKgr7trzCgdAYid8wU8qo=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KHLt0xh6m/wSAflMNyJO5K57Ltu702jHk/hKuOnF8bI+MAzrfUCdWXBxCQN0fZkJl /stJUvradhZy910aII6cRb72RwQmBifubbc9L0gPOK4NOCSxKokVOUv2UI+kvOVSx8 BGCl+FZrFfDKETcgSawpIUu4PGHQZxRxnNa6ctweSPbnthY8DdCuVHQBdgwAGkspx/ 3TldD7t89Oe0hl+ctRJ8bAOZtFc4KJGilCsBIUYpQpLWjj4DQZAfu1jVTtSW1ShWTY Kw5RGKRmWVliEVoe/XUERxaasOeClAX31QXHTfNZnNK1vnmcU6rWYBxhEJ/aS9Djga ZECPWELgJs1BA== Received: from 4cad639c510172bd ([69.1.99.3]) by resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id PYz4gOILWiX0TPYz5gTPBe; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:20:27 +0000 From: RONALD GRIFFING To: , F69jxI7FoXguPLv2RQD7z3esRCTmWHJsOS14spl9+M9Q1t6xGUcvM5lYaGxyFBnKutqFeEI1sp9TvmOHr3DrAhbIe9Le7l0DLqY= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:27:05 -0700 (MST) ------=_Part_0_142644865.1542831626607 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would check the distributor cap first.


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From: eric@megageek.com
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Sent: 2018-11-21 11:57:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500

1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking.  

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something.  

Thanks!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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------=_Part_0_142644865.1542831626607 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk ------=_Part_0_142644865.1542831626607-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 14:23:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96DD2588E09 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 14:22:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177FB25861D3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:37:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.101]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id PUPcg4710IqIzPZFrgl1bm; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:37:47 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1542832667; bh=qqMwAX68L3gDYD5ls4CskpeMfFeonErmIbkuZwp0lZQ=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mUkvq/uj/g4yVOUGtfe/OsaNr4DqhAGRApfYx4KYlRmxawV6UGXYkt493kThbO9VN yDYOCwhflyjIOAL42wHOPfdXlgJoNClq/n/WFzfSoM9BX/qwZemt5EZm6lKv2ped3Y cnxuVfZ3yTDl55h5trBeB6PmLHgFTR+5sR++kLZq7P5g20fXdSu3ICWO94Kp2rEHru fv7RhwfGtp6vOY6SXBP+7vHceDcqLY0uE/ztP3Up1+UPwALv1SVpxFSyJfEp+dJkDI cpnimUTYtWxBnqv4pUPIAoGisqinfctm8Q1sKVfsTMUHbK0n9fzHUznVqlaIqX3KFR IGE02Cfz5m2WQ== Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([IPv6:2601:601:1500:a216:a0bf:d7a7:1b34:279f]) by resomta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id PZFpgZOdQA9pcPZFqg9ZEr; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:37:47 +0000 To: RONALD GRIFFING , Shop Talk Forum References: <90280742.1.1542831626941@localhost> From: Mike Sinclair Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:37:46 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US 5JOgB2/KjQai1sbEzQFFuZfINJsPEcf2OYxnuU7LSUJ3Z2InRVHlWz+BWqJj0DLsFIl9Xit72+G8OT2qA6fccuEIcDhcLkUGXHgAtJ6GEVrSfqWOds3L6Cz7 w7Z4mCVmgge6RF0mg7WGmFE/SbZndbBn83DM6MYoDSEIOvvnupsENc4vonCcKg05 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4086765595804398445== boundary="------------25C8AF82534AA1D03DEC4B8B" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------25C8AF82534AA1D03DEC4B8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And maybe the plug wiring connections. On 11/21/2018 12:29 PM, RONALD GRIFFING wrote: > I would check the distributor cap first. > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eric@megageek.com > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: 2018-11-21 11:57:12 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 > > 1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine > > When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues. >  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender. > > About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when > I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few > minutes of warm-up, and it was fine. > > Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for > about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop > raining and now snowing here.) > > I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, > sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, > the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking. > > I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought > no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas > smell coming out of tailpipe. > > Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no > condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor. > > After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new > vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit > over night with the hood up. > > So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an > issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to > troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and > when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.) > > ODBC tool has no codes. > > Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the > road because of rain or something. > > Thanks! > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." 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And maybe the plug wiring connections.


On 11/21/2018 12:29 PM, RONALD GRIFFING wrote:
I would check the distributor cap first.


Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


-----Original Message-----

From: eric@megageek.com
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Sent: 2018-11-21 11:57:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500

1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking.  

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something.  

Thanks!


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Does the engine have hydraulic lifters?  If so--long shot--could be a sticky lifter or two.

But distributor cap sounds likely.

Bob


On 11/21/2018 12:32 PM, RONALD GRIFFING wrote:
I would check the distributor cap first.


Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


-----Original Message-----

From: eric@megageek.com
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Sent: 2018-11-21 11:57:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500

1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking.  

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something.  

Thanks!
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Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 21, 2018, at 1:05 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking.  

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something.  

Thanks!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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--Apple-Mail-DE87182D-C1C2-438D-8132-0AE187569E01-- --===============7480492599031267267== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7480492599031267267==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 16:11:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D912588F0D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:11:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8460D2588E93 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20181121230321.SZDQ23674.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:03:21 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.212.64]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with cox id 2n3L1z01p1Pvf1k01n3Mxf; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:03:21 -0500 a=2VJ3ooessDXm0mWjmLS4yg==:117 a=YgNhU7a423cA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=v3ZZPjhaAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=mPr31N1pEVDefQqCukgA:9 a=uF0aNbQMas7UlQVq:21 a=50Q504PxM2E3dy4s:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Hl4iiRHyERUcOBLo4ksA:9 a=piq1NfYqUBS6ynrd:21 a=oYpoXaCMPJ0cDbQ-:21 a=xhk9Yej_wRef0g_s:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:02:17 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com,Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7565955339585791582== boundary="=====================_33809410==.ALT" --=====================_33809410==.ALT At 05:25 PM 11/21/2018, Pat Horne wrote: >I had a similar problem several years ago. Turned out the ignition wires were bad. >Replaced them & no more problems. Eric, I'd go with the dist. cap. first. But Pat has point. You can check the ign. wires buy using a spray bottle with water in it. Suggest doing it at night when you can turn off the light (or maybe have a helper standby the light switch to turn it off and on). With the lights are out, spray water all over the ign. wires. If the insulation is breaking down, you should see sparks jumping around in the engine compartment. John >Peace, >Pat > >Pat Horne >We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity > > >On Nov 21, 2018, at 1:05 PM, > >1998 GMC 3500 mason dump. LOW miles ( 87K) Gas engine > >When it runs, it is flawless. Great idle, lots of power, no >issues. Kept in heated garage. Always on a battery tender. > >About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely >used.) when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and >stall. I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine. > >Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings >for about 3 weeks. The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT >stop raining and now snowing here.) > >I went to start it up and it wouldn't start. Engine turned over >fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start. After I tried a few >times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking. > >I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I >thought no spark.) Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the >wall. Gas smell coming out of tailpipe. > >Checked spark, all good. Under the hood seemed dry (there was no >condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor. > >After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new >vocabulary words, I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit >over night with the hood up. > >So I tried it today and it started right up. So this is clearly an >issue with the moisture. My question is, where do I start to >troubleshoot? I can't predict it being moist in the other garage >(and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.) > >ODBC tool has no codes. > >Any ideas on how to fix this? I'd hate to be stuck on the side of >the road because of rain or something. > >Thanks! > > >Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >Tech Viper >"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your >territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >_______________________________________________ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: >http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jblair1948@cox.net John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_33809410==.ALT At 05:25 PM 11/21/2018, Pat Horne wrote:

>I had a similar problem several years ago. Turned out the ignition wires were bad.
>Replaced them & no more problems.

Eric,

I'd go with the dist. cap. first.  But Pat has point.  You can check the ign. wires
buy using a spray bottle with water in it.  Suggest doing it at night when you can
turn off the light (or maybe have a helper standby the light switch to turn it off and
on).  With the lights are out, spray water all over the ign. wires.  If the insulation
is breaking down, you should see sparks jumping around in the engine
compartment.

John



Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 21, 2018, at 1:05 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

1998 GMC 3500 mason dump.  LOW miles ( 87K)  Gas engine

When it runs, it is flawless.  Great idle, lots of power, no issues.  Kept in heated garage.  Always on a battery tender.

About 6 months ago (maybe longer as this truck is rarely used.)  when I would first start it, it would idle way too low and stall.  I few minutes of warm-up, and it was fine.

Then, this past month, I had to move it to one of my out buildings for about 3 weeks.  The building has lots of moisture (it will NOT stop raining and now snowing here.)

I went to start it up and it wouldn't start.  Engine turned over fine, sounded normal, but it wouldn't start.  After I tried a  few times, the engine would 'diesel' when I stopped cranking. 

I tried some starter fluid and it didn't change anything (so I thought no spark.)  Battery was on a 'boost starter' plugged in the wall.  Gas smell coming out of tailpipe.

Checked spark, all good.  Under the hood seemed dry (there was no condensation or anything) but the building had a wet floor.

After some wrangling with a tractor, fork-lift, and a few new vocabulary words,  I got it onto the main garage where I let it sit over night with the hood up.

So I tried it today and it started right up.  So this is clearly an issue with the moisture.  My question is, where do I start to troubleshoot?  I can't predict it being moist in the other garage (and when it's there, it's away from all my tools etc.)

ODBC tool has no codes.

Any ideas on how to fix this?  I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something. 

Thanks!


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          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

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--=====================_33809410==.ALT-- --===============7565955339585791582== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7565955339585791582==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 21 17:44:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EAD258604D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:44:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f176.google.com (mail-oi1-f176.google.com [209.85.167.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBFC25890D1 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi1-f176.google.com with SMTP id v6so6076997oif.2 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:08:30 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=reD5kMQzFw5yAfUV0CKcu/snJ0nRtptCuSLB/sZCMGs=; b=HwWUEUmsIw5s04tgcENFeJuWDQTu4mjNzgzN7ty2Q72Uspxjq6omqWiO7rfOVNV9gi 06/EBCwsMGCsgUGrJutIlbpQCIGfzXxO24Gwcgfika5jmQrZRZ0CZMqjE1/0FpjBofvq VX7J3K0EgHB7mqdMBtiXCIxYrAorsIIKOxf+ow1G0+9LJPsEJ3anVYWK1eQzv7q07Hc9 GEsMwB6D1fTS0yDcL2jCcqj1phV3IiFBzariL+fDrdvs7tuB9LibH/8+gfNIRnKeOjo+ FY5gjLPyRWyaLl9bzb/QQRvu0FY3DekEzQDFR8k9+5+vFJK9pJNTkMcLT52NWlOLB4aQ vL/w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=reD5kMQzFw5yAfUV0CKcu/snJ0nRtptCuSLB/sZCMGs=; b=HhtjzRsRAvHnLvPnTZ7s3KLnHf+p6w/rSAS9yQmSykkMb/KNvpoo7Zhd0gEFHWEcj3 38jDSiO/6IJjzn1vePimkRzCDsgtGAmZjSfLT/HZRSCausR8jbWFHNzqZS1Fi2QkiM9l fQE0AC1OuotGepddrhtYjpBs97uPC7H4drVX/1vIfVBVSQxzXTIL+wKL9+jXO4U+C0Rl rNNyp0JiQ084DCBbr8jW9Laj0X3cET9YPwqJT73ZOCVcanteimOqXAitNEpH9uYyGRbF p6vJJhQRBt9PGnYXymjjAGidQQqljuooylMaDOrHhoRgno6Kb0JmtXcKecvo4cSOLm7O P+Kg== OLgtoHZPDTynPM8xecp7XLh+YWlNRAltWE12s/vF/Q== Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:08:24 -0800 (PST) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:08:15 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 3:02 PM wrote: > > 1998 GMC 3500 mason dump. LOW miles ( 87K) Gas engine > > Any ideas on how to fix this? I'd hate to be stuck on the side of the road because of rain or something. Does this still have the coil in the cap? If it were I, I'd replace the cap, rotor (coil if as above), and wires. Probably less than a hundred bucks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 22 10:29:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E771A258054A for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:29:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2D52588F5F for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 09:20:36 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 11:20:25 -0500 11/22/2018 11:20:41 AM, Serialize complete at 11/22/2018 11:20:41 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tricky problem with a GMC 3500 -***And don't forget*** Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8606274031075471473== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0059C39B8525834D_= Thanks everyone for the suggestions. Once I get a chance to get into this project, I'll send a follow up. I'll replace plugs, wires and other ignition parts once I dig into it. DON'T FORGET--- It's been over 30 years that Fat Chance Garage has kept up connected with great community. On this day of thanks (outside of US people can also give thanks!) let's show our support. While there are no "fund drives" on this mailing list, at the bottom of each message there is a small reminder on how you can donate to keep it going. So throw a few shekels, lira, Deusche Marks, kroons, pestas, or even better, any modern currency his way to show your support. I am thankful for all the knowleadge and friends I have made here over the decades! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0059C39B8525834D_= Thanks everyone for the suggestions.  Once I get a chance to get into this project, I'll send a follow up.  I'll replace plugs, wires and other ignition parts once I dig into it.


DON'T FORGET---

It's been over 30 years that Fat Chance Garage has kept up connected with great community.  On this day of thanks (outside of US people can also give thanks!)  let's show our support.

While there are no "fund drives" on this mailing list, at the bottom of each message there is a small reminder on how you can donate to keep it going.

So throw a few shekels, lira, Deusche Marks, kroons, pestas, or even better, any modern currency his way to show your support.


I am thankful for all the knowleadge and friends I have made here over the decades!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0059C39B8525834D_=-- --===============8606274031075471473== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8606274031075471473==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 06:27:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812262589616 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:27:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC841258953A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 05:58:32 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:58:21 -0500 11/28/2018 07:58:37 AM, Serialize complete at 11/28/2018 07:58:37 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============9104288208967583070== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0047422985258353_= OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea. Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface. I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to fix it. My idea is to use these diamond file cards... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile? Any ideas? Thanks Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0047422985258353_= OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." 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What I would do is get rid of the suction cup and mount whatever is behind the suction cup directly to the tile with this tape. Good Luck, -Paul On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:37 AM wrote: > > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea. > > Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface. > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to fix it. > > My idea is to use these diamond file cards... > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. > > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile? > > Any ideas? Thanks > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 08:40:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A86D25894BB for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:40:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922142589363 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id RyPygDCRPIqIzS0RDg2Qpn; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:03:35 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1543413815; bh=+0zd/FRTyV91n/PtqgU/bD0dLX7fDKHaut67nqaVVRg=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pzcsGeGBb7cYngGvK6I1UNcTjaNZr4GWKvN7G1fe1XCjKu+E2bF85Bbe5dBqldogS 7nu37tY3d6A7xPIawUujd95ahlGfP5gLZvpHu2DsAl1kXKUJpnXYWWCzQEsuzmP60K yii8MDOHP/hgDt95GvzSbeHRhYqMTFK12boqZhWKDwJvGATmXpDeLkIYVbpSAo1BHS rUmG6G3zrb77L/ftaQe6VaSYpKx1zulwoZoZvUoztO5211ef3/d5fegiX9awRqrMX0 xTUE8CsOg21Ig6V5ynVbwbyEffpKzjbVoYf0KIy6x5UKTyR8twhTdQROgdmTBU/OuB wQYvMyIUIXYyQ== Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.68.51.4]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id S0RCgOowmzPrFS0RDgWraq; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:03:35 +0000 To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:03:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US 1q5KegmG9WeWMF+syPS1t6yUNIf8U60EBLpvcEH9tLf/nd+Jc4DZNizS66HYAZ2FU4rM+fAOKWht9AUZli9kcSHmRhAwKd86ahY= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6849012270250255537== boundary="------------9A1B9D03039774DCF33564AE" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9A1B9D03039774DCF33564AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sanding wont work.  The glaze layer is probably too thin and you sand through it to the coarse ceramic making the suction not work.  I'd clean the mirror back and the tile really well and go crazy with hot glue. Peter T. On 11/28/2018 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe > someone here has an idea. > > Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use > a mirror that suction's to the tile surface. > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat > and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways > to fix it. > > My idea is to use these diamond file cards... > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. > > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make > this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know > about using an epoxy on rubber and tile? > > Any ideas?  Thanks --------------9A1B9D03039774DCF33564AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sanding wont work.  The glaze layer is probably too thin and you sand through it to the coarse ceramic making the suction not work.  I'd clean the mirror back and the tile really well and go crazy with hot glue.

Peter T.

On 11/28/2018 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks

--------------9A1B9D03039774DCF33564AE-- --===============6849012270250255537== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6849012270250255537==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 08:57:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B130F2589845 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:57:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (mail-qt1-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BEC258943D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:16:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id t13so25949981qtn.3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:16:31 -0800 (PST) h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=HzOubASMyECGgCRsqXi5hSMi1LGlaYekADtqPNqc9VY=; b=PBzoEGPHg+fG4gXoA0EJ8G25cL7L9DZ2lhwDZu/12EUDifs8iOS2yUrfTRcO8cHusn hzNUhIJ/4RBfkwhuGAYFiRLr8wq+oC9ynPbPfjNOW5nleBeeiXmRrdpPhTFPU8kADnLG Swkk1qIpgu6wZYH7moVm1YMP8FdDsCjLt0+PH7ridIQRvNFHXdwRfD+e0q7XnhoJWbto Y56SKNfulaHyyRASefvSNVWK0kIo6bZy6OEcHMMQaWatjK+82zx1RWiQ0Ekm3I4drgEN xCEd4MafZqvWdKwFbjJYZPOtks/pBWFlI50mnXzKMhHqLUZCN6syeB+gpVMJLKCuufCC Zl2A== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=HzOubASMyECGgCRsqXi5hSMi1LGlaYekADtqPNqc9VY=; b=ZcWAw6ZatWV5AaaAT6Ssv55isEp9b9DLYPByQvpu7+4+Z8eKrs9vZSJb3ptyT1MCoO VbFYUP4FrRt4wDlPBX+H+UC10ZeJjqjZ3bQfuYu2+JgjMXQIYKOcL06jPGmIFr16PK5F yR7N7rpgbRrmQ4uIkeHxE//B4hHAYAy6p+UjnQGXV/Dnkrf21Aa0haFIKhyxng07gloA 0wej0rUjQubwgEnwsaD9IUbJROfHW+dqG742nlXpFqGnP/g6Yfre2TMzzUf6L+AKAbb4 OxKW9+mNb+yAji92Qt5+MmZfzZzVI7qxPR/ExK1AgTQu82pSuE6ONuckmdxrSWXnC8Wo ZaAw== RtP4rAAWBh4JxyEuovqnKWc= Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:16:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from jims-air.home (ool-43526917.dyn.optonline.net. [67.82.105.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x41sm6081811qth.92.2018.11.28.06.16.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:16:29 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4654663246499289805== boundary="Apple-Mail=_A2757E33-A696-4DF8-BAD3-3F213D3B1112" --Apple-Mail=_A2757E33-A696-4DF8-BAD3-3F213D3B1112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I shave in the shower, too. Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99t= imagine ever going back to the sink. I don=E2=80=99t think sanding the = tile smooth is a great idea. Besides potentially damaging the tile, = shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a = different suction cup pattern. I had the same issue years ago (cups = wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of plexiglass to = the tile using clear silicone. I sanded the glue side of the plexiglass = to give the silicone more bite and the suction cups held perfectly to = the plexiglass. The plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we = sold the house. More recently, I simply used E6000 = (https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B0044SB3M8= /ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D1-1&keywords=3De6000 = = ) to glue the suction cups to the tile. This only works if the cups = will hold until the glue sets, (the earlier plexiglass had to be held in = place with duct tape until it set) which sounds like the case for you. = I applied a light film of the glue to the cups, then put them in place. = They had been falling off pretty regularly before I did this - although = not as frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since = then. Good luck. As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach = to the shower head (e.g. = https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexible/dp/B= 00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543414312&sr=3D1-12&keywor= ds=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless = ) but I never liked the idea of = shaving facing the water. Jim > On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe = someone here has an idea.=20 >=20 > Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use = a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.=20 > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat = and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to = fix it.=20 >=20 > My idea is to use these diamond file cards...=20 > = https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpag= e?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 = =20 > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.=20 >=20 > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make = this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know = about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?=20 >=20 > Any ideas? Thanks=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson = _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A2757E33-A696-4DF8-BAD3-3F213D3B1112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = shave in the shower, too.  Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99= t imagine ever going back to the sink.  I don=E2=80=99t think = sanding the tile smooth is a great idea.  Besides potentially = damaging the tile, shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the = next one might have a different suction cup pattern.  I had the = same issue years ago (cups wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached = two squares of plexiglass to the tile using clear silicone.  I = sanded the glue side of the plexiglass to give the silicone more bite = and the suction cups held perfectly to the plexiglass.  The = plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we sold the house.

More recently, I simply = used E6000 (https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/= B0044SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D= 1-1&keywords=3De6000) to glue the suction cups to the tile. =  This only works if the cups will hold until the glue sets, (the = earlier plexiglass had to be held in place with duct tape until it set) = which sounds like the case for you.  I applied a light film of the = glue to the cups, then put them in place.  They had been falling = off pretty regularly before I did this  - although not as = frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since = then.

Good = luck.  As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach = to the shower head (e.g. https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Fl= exible/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D15434143= 12&sr=3D1-12&keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless) = but I never liked the idea of shaving facing the water.

Jim
On Nov = 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background = (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid = my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a = week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea = is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc= h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
to 'sand' = the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My = question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber = and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Donate: =  $12.96
Archive: = http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk

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= --Apple-Mail=_A2757E33-A696-4DF8-BAD3-3F213D3B1112-- --===============4654663246499289805== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4654663246499289805==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 09:37:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338C62589775 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:37:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FD225896FD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from tims-mbp-2.gcl.lgsdirect.com ([67.135.185.226]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1owm-1fYPB61Mxm-00thJ2; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:35:42 +0100 From: Tim Hoerning Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:35:40 -0500 To: "Petrevich, Eric" References: Q7HxHbkVmAB7XoEaAZYt2FmOdrs4kyz7OjmZkSrAlA50oCQlK97rx3tpw+mGhVZoiuOvS9C sBoDfx7cdFnj69wxwxM5rrFMKt7iiDcKHD9b6mTlzAbMYMrDa+fRBvfMHIEgc+GVWileHjv 3BkOEiyUuUNS7ys0FBKBw== G3OlGK8i09CaPWWHil4InbjosH2InrDE+u03tl1ijMGrge9iX6VqiUc5W/EqyoYZJXrwHioz6 5/iARSrZkX3+DK7qfy3a0qtBhjHswlnkR+x+R2GyOTFw8lK88ngTKeGODl/YCzXZRqpoQtLf2 Fv0BTI+ragz/h98izzu1wpZpFfxfzt4T5EeqL9mCvELhLImS8KKwRr0x12CzQgjvXSPlc63cD lxkGgtjf67ovED5ig58BkujzwZNJKWRgO7uOQSJ9E1jMxTEApZMSKGOxDUiAAh+IAIvXavqZE rZcGrTPS4VGFgmQHjdHYtttwcmOFnOdi8NqLLmHOUMJo9FVkgTLRA+lHe+wvgLnZVPKkJHzgP kX2KtU7+AD47QKVki4aHAv0gys/oSkPVs3AvfjvJu/B4VQtzJ1zhYmnOIUPPXSaixiN2NAMUI 8roTMimLaQpyEhAzL2yq5U2T9jJWiHyqP9SoCZVFYgBWhvirxIOW8MQe8kDllmJXaWAYWbDuX 8GLHgUdw2RFin3J3RTEQxQzj3UpVcAaCv09ksv3Xg1k90UA7aIOSseyvNg+5zCdiCBjKcbo2N hOJSLCQwLzrGL4lK6eApn+iO/QZT4YwYOkLUsw+hyESzZNWQ40mf9tSnhOm7zgliXQGK7pX9F /t1PFMol/48sOFpcDzHwGjpvpVQd6RXEqzd6No3FsvWVMoTohHMykczNRvS/lW82ThCO1XDrv CxnfXob9GL7n/1ktt5X9KZgRc67YCerFB3fQ+yLxufhHEnjsLr4o855hEQc= Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0627705286730877338== boundary="Apple-Mail=_09CFE058-480C-43CD-ADEA-0426D40A0FB1" --Apple-Mail=_09CFE058-480C-43CD-ADEA-0426D40A0FB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 What a bout Shoe Goo? Bonds to most things, is water proof and comes = off relatively easy. Also, for the record, I=E2=80=99ve been shaving in the shower since Eric = told me about this roughly 20 years ago. Of course I just don=E2=80=99t= bother with the mirror and do it simply by feel. Which is why I miss = my chin often. Tim > On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe = someone here has an idea.=20 >=20 > Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use = a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.=20 > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat = and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to = fix it.=20 >=20 > My idea is to use these diamond file cards...=20 > = https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpag= e?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 = =20 > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.=20 >=20 > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make = this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know = about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?=20 >=20 > Any ideas? Thanks=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson = _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/hoerni@cooper.edu >=20 --Apple-Mail=_09CFE058-480C-43CD-ADEA-0426D40A0FB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 What = a bout Shoe Goo?   Bonds to most things, is water proof and comes = off relatively easy.

Also, for the record, I=E2=80=99ve been shaving in the shower = since Eric told me about this roughly 20 years ago.    Of = course I just don=E2=80=99t bother with the mirror and do it simply by = feel.  Which is why I miss my chin often.

Tim


On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com = wrote:

OK, I don't know where to turn = for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background = (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid = my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a = week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea = is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc= h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
to 'sand' = the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My = question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber = and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Donate: =  $12.96
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= --Apple-Mail=_09CFE058-480C-43CD-ADEA-0426D40A0FB1-- --===============0627705286730877338== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0627705286730877338==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 10:36:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBEF25898AC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:36:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from insect.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (insect.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C407F2584FC3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC76543877 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.29.126]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8D818436DC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:59:21 +0000 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EFC8046A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; s=groupwbench.org; bh=/Ggfpl8ul6fRUIVgu 3OASqFtWps=; b=HFZP1sy70hYs4nTgkfqFmODBHGysrCtndpxFWLbXL7iT0oDSc 57gFQJUqI/uCiIsQsw4NIpSKxCxkrhQEdsATyD1FZPcHCWRMb5uzjz9Q2guzZlDi aZewCsvF/cCd28Ngs20k8bvQ2MX8uR1jjpjvqddl/d/+9z/NdCTS3p2zKM= Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C331280463 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:59:18 -0500 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6252528515356911795== boundary="Apple-Mail=_78A00339-DF36-4FD6-BED0-31C34E284B2E" --Apple-Mail=_78A00339-DF36-4FD6-BED0-31C34E284B2E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii > On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe = someone here has an idea.=20 >=20 > Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use = a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.=20 I also shave in the shower and have suffered the indignity of the mirror = losing its suck on non-glazed tile. I don't have an answer to your = immediate question (I went back to using the side view mirror from a = mid-80s Galant that I've had since driving for a Mitsubishi dealer in = college), but what about mounting a mirror to the wall by drilling = through the grout (never drill through tile unless you're prepared to = replace it, or have gotten really good at it)? Or mounting a smooth = surface to the wall and suctioning the mirror to that? Or maybe there's = a clamp and articulating arm setup that can attach to the showerhead = pipe? jim --Apple-Mail=_78A00339-DF36-4FD6-BED0-31C34E284B2E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii
On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.

I also shave in the shower and have suffered the indignity of the mirror losing its suck on non-glazed tile. I don't have an answer to your immediate question (I went back to using the side view mirror from a mid-80s Galant that I've had since driving for a Mitsubishi dealer in college), but what about mounting a mirror to the wall by drilling through the grout (never drill through tile unless you're prepared to replace it, or have gotten really good at it)? Or mounting a smooth surface to the wall and suctioning the mirror to that? Or maybe there's a clamp and articulating arm setup that can attach to the showerhead pipe?

jim

--Apple-Mail=_78A00339-DF36-4FD6-BED0-31C34E284B2E-- --===============6252528515356911795== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6252528515356911795==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 11:22:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB8D2589C0A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:22:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB3B25894B0 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id RzqogVxP0ymujS21WgeRYU; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:45:10 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1543419910; bh=7d/d68s24t/FP0BlP4snzk/xFW/CZk0zscOUDH7aEq8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YNE9qCjkADztVCCngJC8KRyQasLbNJ0c4otKeEQmCYU1fR44Ukrrtfutuztjz1UI6 JleH3Yw0G/x55E9bxOaOz4M0i9GuAgu+ifK6QHNgJxgI6Z/JlpFGRLhbodXOXIs7hR w0G/hQKmnCy8PkfJI14074/jMB40jnzOyNOfIHZqIuxYdgr8h9RmMn0Kne3PaUfDgP pUUl41vhgRf6nT1ldr3nnd4odl/RV8/p57U2JNlwh4wMSu1rp9MiT2/oIJcoCoN6Ki pUMBRpo6d1P4rihYRQ4UeB7Sk3+m8u5o+u+bT20ZhGLpetY0l1oeuNgndVa2itGkrZ i/FLvwINQGgmA== Received: from [192.168.6.40] ([66.79.197.2]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id S21PgKGn65r3BS21PgUm3N; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:45:08 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Donald H Locker Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:45:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 Content-Language: en-US W2sn+aG51l56xzV3QDFgymyyxTI07pDSgj55tS/KtpliyQEIk2bNeGs+ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ceramic tile has a glazed surface. The material beneath is ceramic, but the = glaze provides strength and water resistance. I don't know how thick your = tile's glaze is, so can't say whether abrading it would ruin it or not. Have you considered applying some self-stick smooth material ("Contac" or = such) over the subject tile to provide a surface? Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ On 28-Nov-2018 07:58, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone = > here has an idea. > = > Background (Stay with me on this one.) =A0I shave in the shower. =A0I use= a = > mirror that suction's to the tile surface. > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and = > the mirror falls off about once a week. =A0So, I'm looking for ways to fi= x it. > = > My idea is to use these diamond file cards... > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpa= ge?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 = > = > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. > = > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this= a = > bad idea? =A0Or, does anyone have a better idea? =A0I don't know about us= ing an = > epoxy on rubber and tile? > = > Any ideas? =A0Thanks > = > = > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational = > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph = > Waldo Emerson > = > _______________________________________________ > = > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > = > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dhloc= ker@comcast.net > = _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 11:41:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DEB2589152 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:41:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic313-13.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic313-13.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.185.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74F7258965E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:56:28 -0700 (MST) t=1543420582; bh=V281GdcXkAR6QV4MVINrxwxKCD6N3kfk0zFr1UcZ7CM=; h=Reply-To:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=imPrw2w2+qhLDQtCxIpSfC3CeqRjjamsq3Cm8AMj+zX+2qLwP6QGuX/Gx33jGiTONsFg5u7OFQVlSf5l3SerDl8YkdwEBweQ/gSj3OO4OQKhOBj0Z5v0PJUaV4RTe0Km34M3IWSsgNdJX9T6t+k2BB0mDS63Xw8gcgTCGWz2UjM= 7DXnz03npWvci8hSFGl5Pqb3uLPm2SNrh.yMQQcqxvj2ytlALi.yGKRsHZzBUudCOlWUUO7sCmHN 0QvKLxT0FMZUzE7OCtISlnN7_vpmMNtTjBhCa4jmSfZCAmhsKyCGP6mX3HVMiHsTvY.4f86TWT34 Pk5ziWy88FJJIQv3XZ2gY0aHmxly95dFWOskt1JTl7mbCqw43fVqL7W9QKP7l_Sz0jeigWTrFmmG Yzn_V7gV2SA2royIbRZ3ELDH_clHxRiQdjycG9KKbaF5AxMkYqIAR20FSNTKQ9gd8TvOKsaMUzFX GWyv7Qpph2n4Fef7c3A6RZF2eVLOc1EDB_72M0ZTJBnP_jFTkVWmMMJOPeppias1_EcDqK0rtgm5 KS3cqKFw9znoQ6c0WJ5iEohQZ4QUELUXfWG2..Giyy8kG7Y1lYi6zOTmTuGQ0I9_zag4rS9WfJy3 ooFJViMMhMTkMz8cPE.a5SX857S4rJFHGS6BJHZwSDPm3Mt62whlFwYAoT_gT7SnSXMwoGqExuYZ tyOVhIIuRdmCUjecnhB.e.nRiLNVfpBLxk0Um_fkQgV.fqxLXe5ofbM28sJCUGSmEjFnIIe2vwLt W7ViKCqdlIOrEHL6owR5l6KKgdBj2bA7DJwgsK_yhCXQMlZ.ghTbgtFfDGIgbJdI.LeHqFUVyoSo Ugt25XuhlLxNEc8Qtm5nISAivVH8.GejqrMVsluRkrmpMWLkgcwqqOLxeG8hCwvnIrJ_DVwWwz2a kK0ofC4vZQdznx1PmGTqEa74Im0lcyLgmLmX4mDcMXu9rbXdE9g672S9ojtjDIHfD88.ZgWK35Jt gJPsz5a8BsXf1uAuwkR3b5KLnIaLB1bJa.7bCEvgx5jg1tTPEKDe1EPwhfSeivFrvTlWV4ckt_B6 YZrjkvKfVujiDsgQXvtZH4KFHVpDZqSXqQQ8BYfSQkUJgaNyMTEkXjtjkTa1ROlVJsRuA6etScrf RVOXvl5b7dK5_SUcHdgPNQvlFZybmmrCXSav0 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:56:22 +0000 Received: from 108-253-242-22.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO StevesDell) ([108.253.242.22]) by smtp401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b94008ae11c84bed6421415b4c7029e9; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:56:20 +0000 (UTC) From: "Steve Hochschild" To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:56:20 -0600 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdSHKurnZjyYjTHeSji6jSgHMx/L+AAB+Kfw Cc: 'shop-talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net JB Weld, of course On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:37 AM wrote: > > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea. > > Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface. > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to fix it. > > My idea is to use these diamond file cards... > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. > > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile? > > Any ideas? Thanks > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/steve@hochschild.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 12:11:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908A92589BC6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:11:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f182.google.com (mail-lj1-f182.google.com [209.85.208.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6122589732 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id x85-v6so24242435ljb.2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Wxf+NXYlQvmEUsSnLSXojWZgEonP3wZp5dIrZyQ2ffw=; b=Q30DhYJh0k+HRDUPsFk7yz0/WYDp6qYbP9BCsn6C3NCHbvaFmhqWHW9qQd69aEIfFI n2iEj1+nlfo7lqdHBCRjP+GD6zXR9mHm60TyvnOz0zKWbQ4CEsh/N8TRdo8Np0wkc4ro dKs+h0xhhm8nT90ZJ4E+6QLJmcQ0k8bUvPQVvi0fFNTyOuiHfNV+Uzo+xyNJ8lCUPZDc XsbqsZ1vHefBGGHiWNZN4kHU3TCaGzSEAaW//8KVP5ATPpZSHv9tPBwyEdLnu/MpAF8q fgLj0ufhUYuwJWJ7QsA5y/ubXCrv9N93gJZ/IFk7MrmKH/irlZ6x19wxVL/dL2vKpcaG lm5w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Wxf+NXYlQvmEUsSnLSXojWZgEonP3wZp5dIrZyQ2ffw=; b=NkhCmZ93gMrJnGCE7YSXYK+5F4fwhzV80WpC+obVu3FRHbrkS+MtCp+HaQRFuvpAYB pFazCxQ6diyxyjDXrF+1NevyDVtrKwW3mgcmmlI44FkPhopHc/CwPIv6d2fFEcBSYk7t kbJVwM5WAyDi5Zo8Y+JEYHqDukZFO8kpr4GRoSP5H7wyK9Mr+2bLI7Pijo/IFuwyjQk2 K/+b4r//xhMRrGwIVDHCo23IJkse4JYUKhab50srPMKklmXB1WSisLEzs2CyaWPT6Oj7 BpIoOET9elc6A0FFzYk2yt9rG9oNPZg7aSUiQR7793tM/TBQftUx+MmEuQvxI/D/KXV8 wu0g== x77oh02wWUsmY7+ZYhjMm17mu8nuBY5kO1W2rgId5g== Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Szwed Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:47:17 -0500 To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8232654263581233568== --000000000000ce8060057bbd2164 I think I would try a little clear silicone. Maybe right on the suction cups or possibly remove them and and apply it right on back on the mirror, then tape it in place till it dried. I am pretty sure that's all I used to glue the replacement mirror glass in an exterior car mirror housing years ago. Joe --000000000000ce8060057bbd2164 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I would try a little clear silicone.=C2=A0 Maybe r= ight on the suction cups or possibly remove them and and apply it right on = back on the mirror, then tape it in place till it dried.=C2=A0 I am pretty = sure that's all I used to glue the replacement mirror glass in an exter= ior car mirror housing years ago.

Joe
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Somewhat to my = surprise, I do pretty well without a mirror and a little cleanup when I = get out works fine. btw I have a chin beard, mustache, and side burns. Brian K > On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > I shave in the shower, too. Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99= t imagine ever going back to the sink. I don=E2=80=99t think sanding = the tile smooth is a great idea. Besides potentially damaging the tile, = shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a = different suction cup pattern. I had the same issue years ago (cups = wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of plexiglass to = the tile using clear silicone. I sanded the glue side of the plexiglass = to give the silicone more bite and the suction cups held perfectly to = the plexiglass. The plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we = sold the house. >=20 > More recently, I simply used E6000 = (https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B0044SB3M8= /ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D1-1&keywords=3De6000 = = ) to glue the suction cups to the tile. This only works if the cups = will hold until the glue sets, (the earlier plexiglass had to be held in = place with duct tape until it set) which sounds like the case for you. = I applied a light film of the glue to the cups, then put them in place. = They had been falling off pretty regularly before I did this - although = not as frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since = then. >=20 > Good luck. As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach = to the shower head (e.g. = https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexible/dp/B= 00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543414312&sr=3D1-12&keywor= ds=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless = ) but I never liked the idea of = shaving facing the water. >=20 > Jim >=20 >> On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com = >>=20 >> OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe = someone here has an idea.=20 >>=20 >> Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use = a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.=20 >> I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat = and the mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to = fix it.=20 >>=20 >> My idea is to use these diamond file cards...=20 >> = https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpag= e?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 = =20 >> to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.=20 >>=20 >> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make = this a bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know = about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?=20 >>=20 >> Any ideas? Thanks=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >> Tech Viper >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson __ --Apple-Mail=_ADBEC234-EBEC-4DAE-A903-731AA5E050F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve shaved in the shower for years and I can=E2=80=99t= see without my glasses, so a mirror wouldn=E2=80=99t help. Somewhat to = my surprise, I do pretty well without a mirror and a little cleanup when = I get out works fine.
btw I have a chin beard, mustache, = and side burns.
Brian K

On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

I shave in the shower, = too.  Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99t imagine ever = going back to the sink.  I don=E2=80=99t think sanding the tile = smooth is a great idea.  Besides potentially damaging the tile, = shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a = different suction cup pattern.  I had the same issue years ago = (cups wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of = plexiglass to the tile using clear silicone.  I sanded the glue = side of the plexiglass to give the silicone more bite and the suction = cups held perfectly to the plexiglass.  The plexiglass and silicone = were easily removed when we sold the house.

More recently, I simply used E6000 (https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/= B0044SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D= 1-1&keywords=3De6000) to glue the suction cups to the tile. =  This only works if the cups will hold until the glue sets, (the = earlier plexiglass had to be held in place with duct tape until it set) = which sounds like the case for you.  I applied a light film of the = glue to the cups, then put them in place.  They had been falling = off pretty regularly before I did this  - although not as = frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since = then.

Good = luck.  As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach = to the shower head (e.g. https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Fl= exible/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D15434143= 12&sr=3D1-12&keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless) = but I never liked the idea of shaving facing the water.

Jim

On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, eric@megageek.com = wrote:

OK, I don't know where to turn = for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background = (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid = my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a = week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea = is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc= h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
to 'sand' = the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My = question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber = and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson = __
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I haven't shaved in decades... Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 28 15:56:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F1A2589E96 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:56:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7F3258948A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:41:43 -0700 (MST) s=dk12062016; t=1543434108; bh=RzMnsmvXgHDTX6FkEKljuBccv5bC0Wk3tSfC boHaRg4=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=PAO0q9W1bqTRVRqg6kE198qN+PhculcEr lS2Wo60at1Az0AutnKRNxZoXHMlLV4HPa1U68cASS2p4nKOmjZ9oSjZu3gLdJbZ4gL3 y3KDqOCEiRlY0kWF5BrlqvtAmQxhL7oD/VV3bNmAmuWGKgT37c/zpfINpQXMCssM7Tu 0lxuY+w5f9FX0fKVt4dSpkIS79I4dL8DRQf6ZOeR2DgJlNiRUUBA+2EtuRe9zHDNRJi pTORKtG52Q9ARbE6Soih1E0GoPC7X08hFrKSBa322lOTWBC3NNRm7ky94zTiCKY3VY5 14jCpTBD+59LHUqB8jNuMLjqkYOph/oGXT38nLBJA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=cyRv/0Zp3I+kg7O3QMUAeAw9yn1Ct5PaJquizsoWr2zZ7cuAYx+ZBgFpa2Pa1fDDQQy2yW+MY1hJE1hrGH8/29o7AKEB/pwQfcsSCYdebMBWTNW8eitSi7g+UEY3f/YWPsX1XEHi663C9X99Fbaza/DTx4j4jW16hMfA/sDqO+d/3jP6i1Sg1H0GG2u3T5+W7jOrUHHzsCdSBMEYF8GyVrIQHr3G74MnHIVsxIbYDwv8KQiUzatJ39HLp1So2fRRPmLi+7YiWWGFZZdLJrH3ZilknFsfx1XAZMM77U/yDfROs0wLiA517pLb7WutpErNd+CJkYK6sgnbI/Dma41qAA==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1gS5iG-000DYH-Mr; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:41:32 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:41:19 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5719010022756192862== boundary="------------6CF541D9BAA84BBEB02116DB" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CF541D9BAA84BBEB02116DB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've tiled two bathrooms and would not sand the tile.  If you really need the mirror to shave, I second the comment about using E6000 to glue it on.  I shave in the shower too and have two little plastic hooks where I hang the razor.  One of them fell off several years ago, so I just used a little E6000 and it has been fine since. In my case, I don't bother with a mirror.  You can feel any areas you miss, so just hit them again.  I don't even bother with shaving cream.  I just use lather my face with shampoo while washing my hair. The other option is to hang the mirror from the wall above the tile or from the ceiling.  Get a flange like https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southland-1-2-in-Black-Floor-Flange-521-603HP/304797324 then make yourself a piece of art with copper or PVC pipe.  PVC pipe bend pretty nicely if you heat it evenly with a heat gun. Brian On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe > someone here has an idea. > > Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use > a mirror that suction's to the tile surface. > I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat > and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways > to fix it. > > My idea is to use these diamond file cards... > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. > > My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make > this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know > about using an epoxy on rubber and tile? > > Any ideas?  Thanks > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------6CF541D9BAA84BBEB02116DB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've tiled two bathrooms and would not sand the tile.  If you really need the mirror to shave, I second the comment about using E6000 to glue it on.  I shave in the shower too and have two little plastic hooks where I hang the razor.  One of them fell off several years ago, so I just used a little E6000 and it has been fine since.

In my case, I don't bother with a mirror.  You can feel any areas you miss, so just hit them again.  I don't even bother with shaving cream.  I just use lather my face with shampoo while washing my hair.

The other option is to hang the mirror from the wall above the tile or from the ceiling.  Get a flange like https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southland-1-2-in-Black-Floor-Flange-521-603HP/304797324 then make yourself a piece of art with copper or PVC pipe.  PVC pipe bend pretty nicely if you heat it evenly with a heat gun.

Brian

On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.

Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 

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I too, shav= e in the shower regularly. I don't use a mirror and trim sideburns, etc., = at the sink afterwards with another blade. Super simple and no mirror nee= ded. Try it, it's surprisingly easy, Jack OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone he= re has an idea. Background (Stay with me on this one.) I shave in the shower. I use a mir= ror that suction's to the tile surface. I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and th= e mirror falls off about once a week. So, I'm looking for ways to fix it. My idea is to use these diamond file cards... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage= ?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup. My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a= bad idea? Or, does anyone have a better idea? I don't know about using a= n epoxy on rubber and tile? Any ideas? Thanks Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b= eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo= Emerson _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk rthlink.net --_000_BYAPR06MB4182CA15587363F4472B915BA8D30BYAPR06MB4182namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, so I’ve read most of the solutions and nee= d to share mine.  I too, shave in the shower regularly.  I don= 217;t use a mirror and trim sideburns, etc., at the sink afterwards with an= other blade.   Super simple and no mirror needed.

 

Try it, it’s surprisingly easy,

 

Jack

 

 

On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one= , but maybe someone here has an idea.

B= ackground (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I = use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
I= redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the= mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix = it.

M= y idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006I= IO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
t= o 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.

M= y question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a = bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know abou= t using an epoxy on rubber and tile?
<= br> Any ideas?  Thanks
<= br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." R= alph Waldo Emerson 


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