Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ceramic tile question

From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:58:50 -0500

I bought a small towel bar to hang a washcloth on in a tiled walk-in
shower and bought this to mount it:

https://smile.amazon.com/Gorilla-Tough-Double-Mounting-Inches/dp/B00OXVG9FW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1543413360&sr=8-4&keywords=gorilla+mounting+tape

That was stainless to tile and it held up great for years.

What I would do is get rid of the suction cup and mount whatever is
behind the suction cup directly to the tile with this tape.

Good Luck,

-Paul

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:37 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.
>
> Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
> I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.
>
> My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.
>
> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
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From: "Peter J. Thomas" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:03:33 -0500

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Sanding wont work.  The glaze layer is probably too thin and you sand 
through it to the coarse ceramic making the suction not work.  I'd clean 
the mirror back and the tile really well and go crazy with hot glue.

Peter T.

On 11/28/2018 7:58 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use 
> a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
> I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat 
> and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways 
> to fix it.
>
> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make 
> this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know 
> about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sanding wont work.  The glaze layer is
      probably too thin and you sand through it to the coarse ceramic
      making the suction not work.  I'd clean the mirror back and the
      tile really well and go crazy with hot glue.<br>
      <br>
      Peter T.<br>
      <br>
      On 11/28/2018 7:58 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, I don't know where to turn
        for help
        with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Background (Stay with me on this
        one.)
         I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the
        tile surface.</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I redid my bathroom last year and
        the
        new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about
        once a week.
         So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">My idea is to use these diamond
        file
        cards...</font>
      <br>
      <a
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1"
        moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="2" face="sans-serif"
          color="blue">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1</font></a>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">to 'sand' the tile I need to use
        the
        suction cup.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">My question, is there any
        protective
        coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does
        anyone
        have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber
        and
        tile?</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
        Any ideas?  Thanks</font>
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From: Jim Stone <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:16:29 -0500

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I shave in the shower, too.  Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99t=
 imagine ever going back to the sink.  I don=E2=80=99t think sanding the =
tile smooth is a great idea.  Besides potentially damaging the tile, =
shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a =
different suction cup pattern.  I had the same issue years ago (cups =
wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of plexiglass to =
the tile using clear silicone.  I sanded the glue side of the plexiglass =
to give the silicone more bite and the suction cups held perfectly to =
the plexiglass.  The plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we =
sold the house.

More recently, I simply used E6000 =
(https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B0044SB3M8=
/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D1-1&keywords=3De6000 =
<https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B0044SB3M8=
/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543413423&sr=3D1-1&keywords=3De6000>=
) to glue the suction cups to the tile.  This only works if the cups =
will hold until the glue sets, (the earlier plexiglass had to be held in =
place with duct tape until it set) which sounds like the case for you.  =
I applied a light film of the glue to the cups, then put them in place.  =
They had been falling off pretty regularly before I did this  - although =
not as frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since =
then.

Good luck.  As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach =
to the shower head (e.g. =
https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexible/dp/B=
00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543414312&sr=3D1-12&keywor=
ds=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless =
<https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexible/dp/=
B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1543414312&sr=3D1-12&keywo=
rds=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless>) but I never liked the idea of =
shaving facing the water.

Jim

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe =
someone here has an idea.=20
>=20
> Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use =
a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.=20
> I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat =
and the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to =
fix it.=20
>=20
> My idea is to use these diamond file cards...=20
> =
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpag=
e?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 =
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpa=
ge?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1>=20
> to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.=20
>=20
> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make =
this a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know =
about using an epoxy on rubber and tile?=20
>=20
> Any ideas?  Thanks=20
>=20
>=20
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
shave in the shower, too. &nbsp;Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99=
t imagine ever going back to the sink. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t think =
sanding the tile smooth is a great idea. &nbsp;Besides potentially =
damaging the tile, shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the =
next one might have a different suction cup pattern. &nbsp;I had the =
same issue years ago (cups wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached =
two squares of plexiglass to the tile using clear silicone. &nbsp;I =
sanded the glue side of the plexiglass to give the silicone more bite =
and the suction cups held perfectly to the plexiglass. &nbsp;The =
plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we sold the house.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">More recently, I simply =
used E6000 (<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B00=
44SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543413423&amp;sr=3D1-=
1&amp;keywords=3De6000" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/=
B0044SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543413423&amp;sr=3D=
1-1&amp;keywords=3De6000</a>) to glue the suction cups to the tile. =
&nbsp;This only works if the cups will hold until the glue sets, (the =
earlier plexiglass had to be held in place with duct tape until it set) =
which sounds like the case for you. &nbsp;I applied a light film of the =
glue to the cups, then put them in place. &nbsp;They had been falling =
off pretty regularly before I did this &nbsp;- although not as =
frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since =
then.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Good =
luck. &nbsp;As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach =
to the shower head (e.g.&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexi=
ble/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543414312&=
amp;sr=3D1-12&amp;keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Fl=
exible/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D15434143=
12&amp;sr=3D1-12&amp;keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless</a>) =
but I never liked the idea of shaving facing the water.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div><br=
 class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov =
28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">OK, I don't know where to turn for help
with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Background =
(Stay with me on this one.)
&nbsp;I shave in the shower. &nbsp;I use a mirror that suction's to the
tile surface.</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I redid =
my bathroom last year and the
new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a =
week.
&nbsp;So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My idea =
is to use these diamond file
cards...</font>
<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_d=
etailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc=
h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</font></a>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">to 'sand' =
the tile I need to use the
suction cup.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My =
question, is there any protective
coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? &nbsp;Or, does anyone
have a better idea? &nbsp;I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber =
and
tile?</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
Any ideas? &nbsp;Thanks</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br class=3D"">
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From: Tim Hoerning <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:35:40 -0500

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What a bout Shoe Goo?   Bonds to most things, is water proof and comes =
off relatively easy.

Also, for the record, I=E2=80=99ve been shaving in the shower since Eric =
told me about this roughly 20 years ago.    Of course I just don=E2=80=99t=
 bother with the mirror and do it simply by feel.  Which is why I miss =
my chin often.

	Tim

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">What =
a bout Shoe Goo? &nbsp; Bonds to most things, is water proof and comes =
off relatively easy.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Also, for the record, I=E2=80=99ve been shaving in the shower =
since Eric told me about this roughly 20 years ago. &nbsp; &nbsp;Of =
course I just don=E2=80=99t bother with the mirror and do it simply by =
feel. &nbsp;Which is why I miss my chin often.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Tim</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">OK, I don't know where to turn =
for help
with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Background =
(Stay with me on this one.)
&nbsp;I shave in the shower. &nbsp;I use a mirror that suction's to the
tile surface.</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I redid =
my bathroom last year and the
new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a =
week.
&nbsp;So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My idea =
is to use these diamond file
cards...</font>
<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_d=
etailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc=
h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</font></a>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">to 'sand' =
the tile I need to use the
suction cup.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My =
question, is there any protective
coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? &nbsp;Or, does anyone
have a better idea? &nbsp;I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber =
and
tile?</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
Any ideas? &nbsp;Thanks</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br class=3D"">
Tech Viper<br class=3D"">
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson </font>_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Donate: =
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:59:18 -0500

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I also shave in the shower and have suffered the indignity of the mirror =
losing its suck on non-glazed tile. I don't have an answer to your =
immediate question (I went back to using the side view mirror from a =
mid-80s Galant that I've had since driving for a Mitsubishi dealer in =
college), but what about mounting a mirror to the wall by drilling =
through the grout (never drill through tile unless you're prepared to =
replace it, or have gotten really good at it)? Or mounting a smooth =
surface to the wall and suctioning the mirror to that? Or maybe there's =
a clamp and articulating arm setup that can attach to the showerhead =
pipe?

jim

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with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
<br class="">
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">Background (Stay with me on this one.)
&nbsp;I shave in the shower. &nbsp;I use a mirror that suction's to the
tile surface.</font>
<br class=""></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I also shave in the shower and have suffered the indignity of the mirror losing its suck on non-glazed tile. I don't have an answer to your immediate question (I went back to using the side view mirror from a mid-80s Galant that I've had since driving for a Mitsubishi dealer in college), but what about mounting a mirror to the wall by drilling through the grout (never drill through tile unless you're prepared to replace it, or have gotten really good at it)? Or mounting a smooth surface to the wall and suctioning the mirror to that? Or maybe there's a clamp and articulating arm setup that can attach to the showerhead pipe?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>jim</div><br class=""></body></html>
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From: Donald H Locker <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:45:02 -0500

Ceramic tile has a glazed surface. The material beneath is ceramic, but the 
glaze provides strength and water resistance. I don't know how thick your 
tile's glaze is, so can't say whether abrading it would ruin it or not.

Have you considered applying some self-stick smooth material ("Contac" or 
such) over the subject tile to provide a surface?

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> Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a 
> mirror that suction's to the tile surface.
> I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and 
> the mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.
> 
> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a 
> bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using an 
> epoxy on rubber and tile?
> 
> Any ideas?  Thanks
> 
> 
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
> Waldo Emerson
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JB Weld, of course

> My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie
=UTF8&psc=1
> My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this
a bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using
an epoxy on rubber and tile?
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo
Emerson

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I=E2=80=99ve shaved in the shower for years and I can=E2=80=99t see =
without my glasses, so a mirror wouldn=E2=80=99t help. Somewhat to my =
surprise, I do pretty well without a mirror and a little cleanup when I =
get out works fine.
btw I have a chin beard, mustache, and side burns.
Brian K

> On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Jim Stone <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I shave in the shower, too.  Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99=
t imagine ever going back to the sink.  I don=E2=80=99t think sanding =
the tile smooth is a great idea.  Besides potentially damaging the tile, =
shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a =
different suction cup pattern.  I had the same issue years ago (cups =
wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of plexiglass to =
the tile using clear silicone.  I sanded the glue side of the plexiglass =
to give the silicone more bite and the suction cups held perfectly to =
the plexiglass.  The plexiglass and silicone were easily removed when we =
sold the house.
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>> On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, [email-masked] =
>>=20
rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve shaved in the shower for years and I can=E2=80=99t=
 see without my glasses, so a mirror wouldn=E2=80=99t help. Somewhat to =
my surprise, I do pretty well without a mirror and a little cleanup when =
I get out works fine.<div class=3D"">btw I have a chin beard, mustache, =
and side burns.<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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class=3D"">Brian K</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">
</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Jim Stone &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I shave in the shower, =
too. &nbsp;Have for more than 30 years and can=E2=80=99t imagine ever =
going back to the sink. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t think sanding the tile =
smooth is a great idea. &nbsp;Besides potentially damaging the tile, =
shower mirrors don=E2=80=99t last forever and the next one might have a =
different suction cup pattern. &nbsp;I had the same issue years ago =
(cups wouldn=E2=80=99t hold at all) and attached two squares of =
plexiglass to the tile using clear silicone. &nbsp;I sanded the glue =
side of the plexiglass to give the silicone more bite and the suction =
cups held perfectly to the plexiglass. &nbsp;The plexiglass and silicone =
were easily removed when we sold the house.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">More recently, I simply used E6000 (<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/B00=
44SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543413423&amp;sr=3D1-=
1&amp;keywords=3De6000" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-High-Viscosity-Adhesive/dp/=
B0044SB3M8/ref=3Dsr_1_1?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543413423&amp;sr=3D=
1-1&amp;keywords=3De6000</a>) to glue the suction cups to the tile. =
&nbsp;This only works if the cups will hold until the glue sets, (the =
earlier plexiglass had to be held in place with duct tape until it set) =
which sounds like the case for you. &nbsp;I applied a light film of the =
glue to the cups, then put them in place. &nbsp;They had been falling =
off pretty regularly before I did this &nbsp;- although not as =
frequently as yours - and have been on for about 6 months since =
then.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Good =
luck. &nbsp;As a last resort, there are always the mirrors that attach =
to the shower head (e.g.&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Flexi=
ble/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D1543414312&=
amp;sr=3D1-12&amp;keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Suction-Fog-Free-Bathroom-Fl=
exible/dp/B00DUVTDNG/ref=3Dsr_1_12?s=3Dhi&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;qid=3D15434143=
12&amp;sr=3D1-12&amp;keywords=3Dshower+mirrors+for+shaving+fogless</a>) =
but I never liked the idea of shaving facing the water.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 28, 2018, at 7:58 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">OK, I don't know where to turn =
for help
with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">Background =
(Stay with me on this one.)
&nbsp;I shave in the shower. &nbsp;I use a mirror that suction's to the
tile surface.</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">I redid =
my bathroom last year and the
new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about once a =
week.
&nbsp;So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My idea =
is to use these diamond file
cards...</font>
<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_d=
etailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_searc=
h_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</font></a>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">to 'sand' =
the tile I need to use the
suction cup.</font>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D"">My =
question, is there any protective
coating on tile that would make this a bad idea? &nbsp;Or, does anyone
have a better idea? &nbsp;I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber =
and
tile?</font>
<br class=3D""><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
Any ideas? &nbsp;Thanks</font>
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class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br class=3D"">
Tech Viper<br class=3D"">
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a =
rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson =
</font>__</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></d=
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:18:45 -0500

Grow a beard?

I haven't shaved in decades...

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

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I've tiled two bathrooms and would not sand the tile.  If you really 
need the mirror to shave, I second the comment about using E6000 to glue 
it on.  I shave in the shower too and have two little plastic hooks 
where I hang the razor.  One of them fell off several years ago, so I 
just used a little E6000 and it has been fine since.

In my case, I don't bother with a mirror.  You can feel any areas you 
miss, so just hit them again.  I don't even bother with shaving cream.  
I just use lather my face with shampoo while washing my hair.

The other option is to hang the mirror from the wall above the tile or 
from the ceiling.  Get a flange like 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southland-1-2-in-Black-Floor-Flange-521-603HP/304797324 
then make yourself a piece of art with copper or PVC pipe.  PVC pipe 
bend pretty nicely if you heat it evenly with a heat gun.

Brian

On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
> rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
> territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
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    I've tiled two bathrooms and would not sand the tile.  If you really
    need the mirror to shave, I second the comment about using E6000 to
    glue it on.  I shave in the shower too and have two little plastic
    hooks where I hang the razor.  One of them fell off several years
    ago, so I just used a little E6000 and it has been fine since.<br>
    <br>
    In my case, I don't bother with a mirror.  You can feel any areas
    you miss, so just hit them again.  I don't even bother with shaving
    cream.  I just use lather my face with shampoo while washing my
    hair.<br>
    <br>
    The other option is to hang the mirror from the wall above the tile
    or from the ceiling.  Get a flange like
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southland-1-2-in-Black-Floor-Flange-521-603HP/304797324">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southland-1-2-in-Black-Floor-Flange-521-603HP/304797324</a>
    then make yourself a piece of art with copper or PVC pipe.  PVC pipe
    bend pretty nicely if you heat it evenly with a heat gun.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">OK, I don't know where to turn
        for help
        with this one, but maybe someone here has an idea.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Background (Stay with me on this
        one.)
         I shave in the shower.  I use a mirror that suction's to the
        tile surface.</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I redid my bathroom last year and
        the
        new tile isn't completely flat and the mirror falls off about
        once a week.
         So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">My idea is to use these diamond
        file
        cards...</font>
      <br>
      <a
href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1"
        moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="2" face="sans-serif"
          color="blue">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1</font></a>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">to 'sand' the tile I need to use
        the
        suction cup.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">My question, is there any
        protective
        coating on tile that would make this a bad idea?  Or, does
        anyone
        have a better idea?  I don't know about using an epoxy on rubber
        and
        tile?</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
        Any ideas?  Thanks</font>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
        <br>
        Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
        Tech Viper<br>
        "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a
        rational
        being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory."
        Ralph
        Waldo Emerson </font>
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OK, so I've read most of the solutions and need to share mine.  I too, shav=
e in the shower regularly.  I don't use a mirror and trim sideburns, etc., =
at the sink afterwards with another blade.   Super simple and no mirror nee=
ded.

Try it, it's surprisingly easy,

Jack

OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one, but maybe someone he=
re has an idea.

Background (Stay with me on this one.)  I shave in the shower.  I use a mir=
ror that suction's to the tile surface.
I redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and th=
e mirror falls off about once a week.  So, I'm looking for ways to fix it.

My idea is to use these diamond file cards...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage=
?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
to 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.

My question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a=
 bad idea?  Or, does anyone have a better idea?  I don't know about using a=
n epoxy on rubber and tile?

Any ideas?  Thanks

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b=
eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo=
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other blade.&nbsp;&nbsp; Super simple and no mirror needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Try it, it&#8217;s surprisingly easy,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jack<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 11/28/2018 4:58 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megage=
ek.com">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">OK, I don't know where to turn for help with this one=
, but maybe someone here has an idea.</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">B=
ackground (Stay with me on this one.) &nbsp;I shave in the shower. &nbsp;I =
use a mirror that suction's to the tile surface.</span>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 redid my bathroom last year and the new tile isn't completely flat and the=
 mirror falls off about once a week. &nbsp;So, I'm looking for ways to fix =
it.</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">M=
y idea is to use these diamond file cards...</span>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006IIO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search=
_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006I=
IO3/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</span></a>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">t=
o 'sand' the tile I need to use the suction cup.</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">M=
y question, is there any protective coating on tile that would make this a =
bad idea? &nbsp;Or, does anyone have a better idea? &nbsp;I don't know abou=
t using an epoxy on rubber and tile?</span>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><=
br>
Any ideas? &nbsp;Thanks</span> <br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><=
br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
&quot;Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quot; R=
alph Waldo Emerson
</span><br>
<br>
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