Subject: [Shop-talk] Prep/etch/sealing a new concrete floor?

From: Obaa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:28:05 +0000 (UTC)

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Hey all,
I'm in the fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new hous=
e nearby, who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.=C2=A0 T=
he only caveat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of m=
y vehicles leak something or another...The house is brand new; the concrete=
 was poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.=C2=A0 There's=
 been construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and=
 other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus requi=
red safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things=
 on the floor.I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with either =
TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then apply =
a sealant.=C2=A0 I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had g=
ood luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence t=
his question).=C2=A0 Curious if you folks have any recommendations on proce=
dures and/or specific products?=C2=A0 One thing I saw that looked interesti=
ng, was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but which seeme=
d like it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it.
Thanks,Mike
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<html><head></head><body><div>Hey all,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm in the =
fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house nearby, w=
ho is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.&nbsp; The only cav=
eat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicles =
leak something or another...</div><div>The house is brand new; the concrete=
 was poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.&nbsp; There's=
 been construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and=
 other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus requi=
red safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things=
 on the floor.</div><div>I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor w=
ith either TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and =
then apply a sealant.&nbsp; I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I ha=
ven't had good luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own hou=
se (hence this question).&nbsp; Curious if you folks have any recommendatio=
ns on procedures and/or specific products?&nbsp; One thing I saw that looke=
d interesting, was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but =
which seemed like it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Mike</div><div class=3D"ydpc18c5=
7a2yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:36:09 -0600

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I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal the floo=
r before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99t done mu=
ch research. https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#c=
omment-70753

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity

On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Obaa <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hey all,

I'm in the fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house=
 nearby, who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.  The only=
 caveat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicl=
es leak something or another...
The house is brand new; the concrete was poured mid-summer, so I expect it i=
s fully cured by now.  There's been construction traffic through the garage (=
some paint/drywall drips and other stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnac=
e, water heater, plus required safety barriers) and a set of stairs into the=
 house are the only things on the floor.
I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with either TSP, or perhaps=
 a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then apply a sealant.  I do=
n't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had good luck with hot tire=
 lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence this question).  Curious=
 if you folks have any recommendations on procedures and/or specific product=
s?  One thing I saw that looked interesting, was a chemical concrete "harden=
er", which sounded good, but which seemed like it would affect adhesion of a=
ny sealant applied over it.

Thanks,
Mike

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a s=
hop fire &amp; want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found t=
his site but haven=E2=80=99t done much research.&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://all=
garagefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753">https://al=
lgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753</a><div><b=
r></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D=
"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Oba=
a &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hey all,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm in t=
he fortunate circumstance of a family member moving into a new house nearby,=
 who is giving me their garage space to store my vehicles.&nbsp; The only ca=
veat is that I do something to seal off the concrete, as all of my vehicles l=
eak something or another...</div><div>The house is brand new; the concrete w=
as poured mid-summer, so I expect it is fully cured by now.&nbsp; There's be=
en construction traffic through the garage (some paint/drywall drips and oth=
er stains), otherwise, the utilities (furnace, water heater, plus required s=
afety barriers) and a set of stairs into the house are the only things on th=
e floor.</div><div>I think I need to do some scrubbing of the floor with eit=
her TSP, or perhaps a muriatic acid solution to prep the floor, and then app=
ly a sealant.&nbsp; I don't want to put down an epoxy, because I haven't had=
 good luck with hot tire lift nor gas/oil resistance in my own house (hence t=
his question).&nbsp; Curious if you folks have any recommendations on proced=
ures and/or specific products?&nbsp; One thing I saw that looked interesting=
, was a chemical concrete "hardener", which sounded good, but which seemed l=
ike it would affect adhesion of any sealant applied over it.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Mike</div><div class=3D"ydpc18c57a2yahoo-style-w=
rap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
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From: Ian McFetridge <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 10:07:00 -0500

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Hi All,

I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences.  For the first
two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to avoid
slipping.  The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump
sprayer.  I believe the intention is to open the pores in the concrete so
that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond as it seeps
into the pores and sort of locks into place.  This was virgin cured
concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the construction debris
and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle brush until it was clean,
let dry and then applied the epoxy.  The epoxy held up well for years, but
as Obaa said, in two places quarter size chunks were lifted by hot tires
over the years.

For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of muriatic acid, I
believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2=80=99t recall.  Th=
is
solution clearly opened the pores in the concrete better and since it was a
single bay I took my time to make sure it looked evenly etched.   I used
the same epoxy and it held up without lifting until we moved several years
later, including parking my autocross car in there with sticky race tires
(Hoosiers).

One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish the c=
oncrete.  I=E2=80=99ve
seen that at some commercial locations and I seems to serve the same
purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I suppose you can just republish
any blemishes.

Best,
Ian

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal the f=
loor
> before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99t done m=
uch
> research.
> https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-707=
53
> Pat

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi All,</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences.=
=C2=A0 For the first two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips i=
n it to avoid slipping.=C2=A0 The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed i=
nto a pump sprayer.=C2=A0 I believe the intention is to open the pores in t=
he concrete so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond=
 as it seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place.=C2=A0 This was vi=
rgin cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the construc=
tion debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle brush until it =
was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy.=C2=A0 The epoxy held up well=
 for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter size chunks were lifted=
 by hot tires over the years. =C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of =
muriatic acid, I believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2=
=80=99t recall.=C2=A0 This solution clearly opened the pores in the concret=
e better and since it was a single bay I took my time to make sure it looke=
d evenly etched. =C2=A0 I used the same epoxy and it held up without liftin=
g until we moved several years later, including parking my autocross car in=
 there with sticky race tires (Hoosiers). =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like =
to try is to polish the concrete.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some comm=
ercial locations and I seems to serve the same purpose, but there is no lay=
er to fail and I suppose you can just republish any blemishes. =C2=A0</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best,</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
Ian</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Nov 9=
, 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">p=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire &am=
p; want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site bu=
t haven=E2=80=99t done much research.=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://allgaragefloo=
rs.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-70753<=
/a><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br></div></div></blockquote></d=
iv></div>

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From: Rochlin Robert <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:47:50 -0500

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	I also used the Rustoleum Epoxy.  The floor has work out OK, but =
there are a few patches where the concrete effervesced after application =
which led to epoxy failure. If I were to do it again, I would definitely =
not use the citrus etching product that comes with the epoxy, but as Ian =
did, use muriatic acid.  I=E2=80=99m sure that Rustoleum uses the citrus =
etch to avoid consumer suits arising from acid burns, but it is not =
nearly as effective as a muriatic acid etch.
	Bob=20

> On Nov 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Ian McFetridge =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> I coated three garages and can share some of my experiences.  For the =
first two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to =
avoid slipping.  The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump =
sprayer.  I believe the intention is to open the pores in the concrete =
so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond as it =
seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place.  This was virgin =
cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the =
construction debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle =
brush until it was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy.  The epoxy =
held up well for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter size =
chunks were lifted by hot tires over the years.  =20
>=20
> For the third garage I used a stronger concentration of muriatic acid, =
I believe it was 10% volume to volume solution, but can=E2=80=99t =
recall.  This solution clearly opened the pores in the concrete better =
and since it was a single bay I took my time to make sure it looked =
evenly etched.   I used the same epoxy and it held up without lifting =
until we moved several years later, including parking my autocross car =
in there with sticky race tires (Hoosiers). =20
>=20
> One thing I=E2=80=99ve seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish =
the concrete.  I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some commercial locations and I =
seems to serve the same purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I =
suppose you can just republish any blemishes. =20
>=20
> Best,
> Ian
>=20
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:20 PM Pat Horne <[email-masked] =
> I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire & want to seal =
the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site but haven=E2=80=99=
t done much research. =
https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-7075=
3 =
<https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comment-707=
53>
>=20
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I also =
used the Rustoleum Epoxy. &nbsp;The floor has work out OK, but there are =
a few patches where the concrete effervesced after application which led =
to epoxy failure. If I were to do it again, I would definitely <u =
class=3D"">not</u> use the citrus etching product that comes with the =
epoxy, but as Ian did, use muriatic acid. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m sure that =
Rustoleum uses the citrus etch to avoid consumer suits arising from acid =
burns, but it is not nearly as effective as a muriatic acid etch.<div =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Bob&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, =
Ian McFetridge &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Hi All,</div></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I coated =
three garages and can share some of my experiences.&nbsp; For the first =
two garages I used Rustoleuum epoxy with paint chips in it to avoid =
slipping.&nbsp; The kit comes with citric acid that I mixed into a pump =
sprayer.&nbsp; I believe the intention is to open the pores in the =
concrete so that the epoxy has some where to stick, like a physical bond =
as it seeps into the pores and sort of locks into place.&nbsp; This was =
virgin cured concrete and I could see the acid loosening some of the =
construction debris and opening pores, so I scrubbed with a bristle =
brush until it was clean, let dry and then applied the epoxy.&nbsp; The =
epoxy held up well for years, but as Obaa said, in two places quarter =
size chunks were lifted by hot tires over the years. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">For the third garage I used a stronger =
concentration of muriatic acid, I believe it was 10% volume to volume =
solution, but can=E2=80=99t recall.&nbsp; This solution clearly opened =
the pores in the concrete better and since it was a single bay I took my =
time to make sure it looked evenly etched. &nbsp; I used the same epoxy =
and it held up without lifting until we moved several years later, =
including parking my autocross car in there with sticky race tires =
(Hoosiers). &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">One thing I=E2=80=99ve =
seen that I=E2=80=99d like to try is to polish the concrete.&nbsp; =
I=E2=80=99ve seen that at some commercial locations and I seems to serve =
the same purpose, but there is no layer to fail and I suppose you can =
just republish any blemishes. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Best,</div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Ian</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at =
10:20 PM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m in a similar position, I had a shop fire &amp; =
want to seal the floor before putting equipment in. I found this site =
but haven=E2=80=99t done much research.&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#comm=
ent-70753" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://allgaragefloors.com/sealers-large-shop-garage-floors/#c=
omment-70753</a><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Peace,</div><div class=3D"">Pat<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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