From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 1 20:20:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADCD25895F6 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (mail-ot1-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99085258990F for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 19:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id c20-v6so343657otl.6 for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:49:17 -0700 (PDT) h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=wFOwMzs8kC2OV/+5upftl5WdaMtT/u5hWdmJ93CcOqQ=; b=nIkPbi/XKwnOcJXKR/OqFUBXuxDc8CoeaNEPGEHOqWb6OAExCSeaQWt7K4gN8GA9CJ oqyLuA5nmqihUOSc/huiG0MJNYUYVGjok0k6S3E9IyV9uO3m5eIjAIBCnXF54AOHhEW6 i3Z7EkT1sn/y4hhHa4+rui+pRfZUWYuPuXgur3yWFxhq2Ne9RGzU0Q9Y+IoKrqVydaFE YARMIUmAVGva8ykutMaIzZ7uHBKEMoR3OIZt48ZwhkVQAQ7SBWc12+2wTQCBJx0JYlOn 8KdTgZr+AeHzSKlvNic6utMxAhH6CEJeWGtAQFTtkCTFK5eIo9QisOXQRJwEd/CP8S+C wR4w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=wFOwMzs8kC2OV/+5upftl5WdaMtT/u5hWdmJ93CcOqQ=; b=cA/ye321tL6cyPIKfpb4BhJUD6LnVlQ19NxfJNjz07CRtjebnn1PV5PeVbpSvpbAZE bztOytO+90K8xEAWBclwxj5fIhb0ThjvSxeAYSMERl9qaKsZTVxVpqUVWqSFAVyqWlr1 6M6jgdMs0YOXmo3X7eYbtxAZdGK5+u3VvWJnqd9Xh+5JrnW1oZeZvwxjCOTOOmd1q/W2 fvkPYExja6mU9yR35e3nf6W6WWwIRjonVFU4aADAHt0XZJsCUk2hr0pR6gdGF/nABvV9 3PbCXAmdUuGWdx7SMqnMaqHRSrO1MaS/ixQAb8llaWHuFI4HHB1Vp7yiUAkBVJIpd12t U+pA== W3x5uZBhJutvsAyrMGiJBQ442iCh s24-v6mr8226844otc.24.1538444951369; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (c-73-118-85-26.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. 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It's behaving as if: 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") 2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) 3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked 1,000,000,000 times). The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it. Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now). Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I have no idea what the hell's going on here. Send help. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 1 20:49:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D44C25802C3 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM04-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam04hn0205.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.44.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7322584820 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:21:20 -0600 (MDT) h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=t2tIVfJn6qk94/+xCXbtIKwGFDQmvUPK8hU664jBm2E=; b=vJRG+7w2QOh0RILjZZcrnEPLopRZlUr/JwoZxoogKf54wTYRqxPGXoFjzHsEgfVeOCzLuwAksVu1bA7AB9HksID3csh7ZPJykJPNojAYXvhIwYy3eaiQFdZEcnlujmw9vhPuEgQ/N7h+XPDme6GWzuQS/ckpGkb29AqPpzzLcZokUjlIxdlWSDI50JLx6nlibDSZ4rR+KRIbiy8pw/cicn/dUKC3jh9rZHgi8s/tOfu3oB7u6M4jJBHz9l3FgRcvOYiSqvvkfMZ0CkdKP8QFrXoI+WX5N/Y+tUiB464a5c2Wm1DYVAkzoY+xMQxL23U35ITSqi0LS5kdxsPXh0+2WQ== Received: from SN1NAM04FT017.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.88.56) by SN1NAM04HT103.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.89.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.1185.13; 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SRVR:SN1NAM04HT103; H:BYAPR06MB4182.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: live.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jibrooks@live.com; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: zq0a/E07F4nv1WrJFQVbMQTlk+B701exNzfq4nYc+utuB5CR9y7505tlheQN3HecCm0ck1y6SobII5FKlPVL7gcCJApY0ci6EQFY8c8YiVkbP9ZJI9N88IDxTaUwCCaUJej3FCQ6C0jrFuLh0oy5alCoKJmNRYlZXM1NPwvef1wW5jDiqCs03HvvhvlGE9YLOG9M3CYQJ7ZybZrgFXEeBqScm9IIbzPvHPoeuHmqU9o= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THEtHITCH Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6737024183937203494== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BYAPR06MB4182C7F6A8DFDC0EAA89F98CA8E80BYAPR06MB4182namp_" --_000_BYAPR06MB4182C7F6A8DFDC0EAA89F98CA8E80BYAPR06MB4182namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott isn't there a screw adjustment for the tightness of the ball in the h= ousing. It's used to eliminate rattling, but could keep the latch from clo= sing if too tight. Jack ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Scott Hall = Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:49:09 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO TH= E HITCH Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge. New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball. I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before installing on hitch. Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON. It's behaving as if: 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") 2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) 3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked 1,000,000,000 times). The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it. Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now). Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I have no idea what the hell's going on here. Send help. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk s@live.com --_000_BYAPR06MB4182C7F6A8DFDC0EAA89F98CA8E80BYAPR06MB4182namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott isn't there a screw adjustment for the tightness of the ball in the h= ousing.  It's used to eliminate rattling, but could keep the latch fro= m closing if too tight.

Jack
From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Hall <scott.hall.pers= onal@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:49:09 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER = ONTO THE HITCH
 
Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this t= hing with a sledge.

New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball.

I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before =
installing on hitch.

Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON.

It's behaving as if:

1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8")

2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up)

3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked 1,000,000,000 times).

The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it.

Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now).
Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I
have no idea what the hell's going on here.

Send help.
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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DIR:OUT; SFP:1501; SCL:5; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT008; H:CO2PR20MB0140.namprd20.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: msn.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=maynerdfamily@msn.com; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: BqoVbTZmxVxlpgruWELh+XNn9+jFlfWPjyUfmBDlNx1gUM3Nf7sIFHpe3haHhcoT5csQoCvC+wfzFGRPZxUZP0awRUUU6v1fQ2lRA72KL6z4yPd/HRq90LwjgA2I+GMX9sH7JBMb35M7XScfA7oY7T7w8Lr8zu6akE9Lwd+o1lsIInn6gjC820PJO2V86bb0+udN0s9X+GuHYKbyfXOPGDaY2LQw1gL+G48ljCEDELQ= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0732157914417870889== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CO2PR20MB01402A5FCEB4FE66EE597BE7BBE80CO2PR20MB0140namp_" --_000_CO2PR20MB01402A5FCEB4FE66EE597BE7BBE80CO2PR20MB0140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sometimes even if the latch is open, I have had the locking piece hang up i= n the locked position. If you reach up from underneath with your finger or = a prybar you should be able to pop it down into the open position. If you s= till cannot get it to work, I suggest laying under it on a creeper and actu= ating the latch and see what is going on in there while you do it. Brian Warrick Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Scott Hall = Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:49 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO TH= E HITCH Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge. New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball. I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before installing on hitch. Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON. It's behaving as if: 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") 2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) 3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked 1,000,000,000 times). The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it. Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now). Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I have no idea what the hell's going on here. Send help. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk family@msn.com --_000_CO2PR20MB01402A5FCEB4FE66EE597BE7BBE80CO2PR20MB0140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sometimes even if the latch is open, I have had the locking piece hang up i= n the locked position. If you reach up from underneath with your finger or = a prybar you should be able to pop it down into the open position. If you s= till cannot get it to work, I suggest laying under it on a creeper and actuating the  latch and see what is= going on in there while you do it.

Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Hall <scott.hall.person= al@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:49 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER = ONTO THE HITCH
 
Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this t= hing with a sledge.

New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball.

I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before =
installing on hitch.

Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON.

It's behaving as if:

1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8")

2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up)

3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked 1,000,000,000 times).

The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it.

Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now).
Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I
have no idea what the hell's going on here.

Send help.
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Archive: http://www.tea= m.net/pipermail/shop-talk

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--_000_CO2PR20MB01402A5FCEB4FE66EE597BE7BBE80CO2PR20MB0140namp_-- --===============0732157914417870889== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0732157914417870889==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 1 21:56:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28134258981F for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EAA258993D for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:53:54 -0600 (MDT) bh=BoNydbnjGvtniSitmD8dVK13MNpHZzPUbLmx0hq+hjQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=mEJ28wTKY3oqe9tFpmms6IO9PJSxAYRJtCVLVQtN+utkK2WqUCn3CK+BUngFVafC/ ADxb4EVRoLXofh0w5FRArMIR4mc+Wmx2rmqfrNw9tnBJJ0MIPHmSD+HoYOlmw9TuGO FBkkxWW9IhcjVDkj4Do2Jz92CkYC5VfTsVwJYIU+itdvVr4svxAyTV37m/FcSxlgDR gF3vrT2BHADEkxGAtEmLSQUXCJKeEJenFV/qugEqpe4B5+hxLboFncOa4s317HAlKT djEvOLf2u1SyHeIc+pBO2g7Mh41OkWaC0T5pXjMqWDrQNb0hh3ml7gCXR8t1emvRLY DwU/ynR0lAMlw== Authentication-Results: mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=W1tynNWATsnh7roKw5MA:9 a=yrRqGixinBtlkt6D:21 a=ZDtHVIHCEICOnrX4:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:50090] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id BC/51-26511-7BDD2BB5; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:53:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:53:31 -0400 To: Scott Hall ,shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is the trailer relatively level? If the ball is far off the ground, so that the trailer is angled up to reach the ball, that can be a problem. Is the ball in a mount that slips into a receiver on the vehicle? If it is, you can get ball mounts that have a rise or drop to improve the angle. -Steve At 09:49 PM 10/1/2018, Scott Hall wrote: >Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge. > >New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball. > >I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver >before installing on hitch. > >Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON. > >It's behaving as if: > >1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") > >2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) > >3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've >checked 1,000,000,000 times). > >The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it. > >Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living >hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now). > >Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. >I have no idea what the hell's going on here. > >Send help. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 1 22:46:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815012589927 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D162258978C for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 5F68F8FC0F; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 00:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030CC8FC0E for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 00:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 00:35:36 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20.16 (BSF 172 2016-09-29) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Scott Hall wrote: > 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") As in, 'everything was marked 1 7/8' or as in 'I have measured everything and it actually is 1 7/8'. When something seems impossible and doesn't make sense, I start measuring. I usually find that something isn't what I was sure it was. And we are talking HF here, so tolerances are what, +/- 1/4"? -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 08:20:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8702589B09 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8437D2589A94 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id w67so1981754ota.7 for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:08:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AfELoOWNwo0z7iKYY8StT3zPi46rmqNCpFQJ9JhkExM=; b=LvCEo3dcZ9JbnOSLzJxLNTBi2d4wztTOtVrtlSXN/odwmt8jGQVnrnZsxTbtVAaruN 4rPB1FT8oQ3ySQdEZoKfoorge+t4mOJS/+eQm0gKtQuiBtDRSaLHytVj/nBmIaMQRgT8 5Xv7oH735HLqYA47Vz1o5pHyAHMGbl1vfyrLLYwgbL2/HdZugXuEqtcNzlaVHhj1VI+y aZB80dBVPHvO3KUDvX0LudN1g9QfF0OiALWbM4hf1R/FaTqgGyuvJhJ1NfZQeUDb/bMh pUrhbHpXbob7YZMH3+2gA8IVozlw9+njxVpTOZQvj6E8Orf+RfSs/y6HBwe3S8nR02E5 mbpA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AfELoOWNwo0z7iKYY8StT3zPi46rmqNCpFQJ9JhkExM=; b=q6MocueiD7biM+b3tOtAn9mbFwHA52PMAWgtgKoBFOvWSeKtCOlurr0q5MacH3MXvN ewlBjQYkNLgubjwloWPlWKwSMZhoGnC8kFDYTzXfx6NFEmSo1pwdoxTAQTz6TecOb/2B Jm5STs3jjwYoj8OD5hukOEOZDjdVhw103BQKbXtD+kV3j9qIrfuyHkc2y60cU9MXBKZc aX2awXsxc70P/SEJaQ/RD5Zz2IzpBRAAt2V/yhzeFrlhYnZEUO5CT6E73BYJBQJdeawB DK9dL6hS+BY4K4M70yg+cL+3qxbKRP+AoXsYYRJUuAw1aPKu8YRK5ZCg87gS+t6gYWri 0sbw== 1DXoJ8ZA6LKvlyENyfDNNRcxrXCcTbqvVAoQmzc= Tue, 02 Oct 2018 07:08:48 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 10:07:31 -0400 To: Scott Hall Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6506866980785917917== --000000000000e8c8b805773f75f2 If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has to be the latch piece is hung. I'm going to go take a shower now... On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:28 PM Scott Hall wrote: > Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge. > > New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball. > > I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before > installing on hitch. > > Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON. > > It's behaving as if: > > 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") > > 2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) > > 3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked > 1,000,000,000 times). > > The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it. > > Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell > out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now). > > Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I > have no idea what the hell's going on here. > > Send help. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000e8c8b805773f75f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has to= be the latch piece is hung.

I= 'm going to go take a shower now...

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:28 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Need a little help, fe= llas, before I attack this thing with a sledge.

New H-F trailer. Requires a 1 7/8" ball.

I get a 1 7/8" ball. Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before =
installing on hitch.

Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON.

It's behaving as if:

1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8")

2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up)

3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I'v= e checked
1,000,000,000 times).

The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it.=

Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell=
out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right= now).

Everything here is new, clean, etc. I've hooked up trailers before. I <= br> have no idea what the hell's going on here.

Send help.
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--000000000000e8c8b805773f75f2-- --===============6506866980785917917== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6506866980785917917==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 2 10:52:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CAC2588B1F for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 10:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80DD2589A7B; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from android-8ec201c274b30479.attlocal.net ([107.221.224.193]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id 7MWKgvGaXDA8h7MWMgWh6Z; Tue, 02 Oct 2018 15:23:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 11:23:05 -0400 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Jeff Scarbrough , Scott Hall From: Randall N2DLZt7uP5ILoLuacIvEj7ofvvcfa9aZxDg+ckenexYOkfPxlgbrx+C4H8XagVlnn3KfERc90SDug5LPpqiWSCiDsmTXLxsgaPCUGqSxxewaOGnmrAtPW6Ui D44Uuu7eWd0AJmdiBVsNUaIwyAJwgWLJbWOK6Gkqp8NsZE3uA5qjizLtITSmVTF6u4GuzRdxeDFvRPthGGTHQDRW3VNe5ebW2kf9UfRAvdE= Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2176491261576959931== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------ZYYMNED9SCPPPFEH4JX0L64IJ5J1KY charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree=2E=20 Lift or jack it up off the ball and make sure the latch piece inside the t= railer receiver is all the way down=2E Then move the tow vehicle forward by= 1/2" or so, such that the ball rubs on the front of the receiver as you lo= wer it back onto the ball=2E -- Randall On 2 October 2018 10:07:31 GMT-04:00, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has to be the latch >piece is hung=2E > >I'm going to go take a shower now=2E=2E=2E > >On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:28 PM Scott Hall > >wrote: > >> Need a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge=2E >> >> New H-F trailer=2E Requires a 1 7/8" ball=2E >> >> I get a 1 7/8" ball=2E Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before >> installing on hitch=2E >> >> Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON=2E >> >> It's behaving as if: >> >> 1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8") >> >> 2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up) >> >> 3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've >checked >> 1,000,000,000 times)=2E >> >> The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over >it=2E >> >> Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living >hell >> out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right >now)=2E >> >> Everything here is new, clean, etc=2E I've hooked up trailers before=2E= I >> have no idea what the hell's going on here=2E >> >> Send help=2E >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet >> Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml >> Suggested annual donation $12=2E96 >> Archive: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail=2Ec= om >> >> ------ZYYMNED9SCPPPFEH4JX0L64IJ5J1KY charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree=2E

Lift or jack it up off the ball= and make sure the latch piece inside the trailer receiver is all the way d= own=2E Then move the tow vehicle forward by 1/2" or so, such that the ball = rubs on the front of the receiver as you lower it back onto the ball=2E
= -- Randall

On 2 October 2018 10:07:31 GMT= -04:00, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has t= o be the latch piece is hung=2E

I'm going to go take a shower now=2E=2E=2E

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:28 PM Scott Hall <<= a href=3D"mailto:scott=2Ehall=2Epersonal@gmail=2Ecom">scott=2Ehall=2Eperson= al@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
Nee= d a little help, fellas, before I attack this thing with a sledge=2E

New H-F trailer=2E Requires a 1 7/8" ball=2E

I get a 1 7/8" ball=2E Test fit the ball into the hitch receiver before installing on hitch=2E

Now it's all put together and the F*C(ING THING WON'T GO ON=2E

It's behaving as if:

1) the ball is too big (it isn't, everything is 1 7/8")

2) the latch is in the closed position (it's up)

3) there's something inside the ball receiver (there's not--I've checked <= br> 1,000,000,000 times)=2E

The receiver is just sitting on top of the ball and won't drop over it=2E<= br>
Is there a trick I don't know about, or can I beat the ever living hell out of this thing (because that's exactly what I'd like to do right now)= =2E

Everything here is new, clean, etc=2E I've hooked up trailers before=2E I =
have no idea what the hell's going on here=2E

Send help=2E
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[73.118.85.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h70-v6sm1370517oic.17.2018.10.02.10.21.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Oct 2018 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <115C2F96-4B48-4108-8FCF-16F9B9E75C6E@ca.rr.com> From: Scott Hall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:21:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Shop-talk] Ohh. My. God. Was: Re: Holy m#therf*cking ChrI$t HOW TO GET A TRAILER ONTO THE HITCH Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8025839633377632141== boundary="------------22BB3A01D74E8F94B1F2C339" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------22BB3A01D74E8F94B1F2C339 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay. Long story short(er): I ended up disassembling the whole receiver. If the latch is a two-pronged fork, at the belly of the "Y" was a blob of...weld spatter? Or just a bad casting. A blob of metal sticking up. Anyway, the latch would start to close on the ball then that blob would hit the ball and it couldn't close. I disassembled it entirely with an eye towards just manually putting the latch under the ball then screwing it shut. It wouldn't screw shut. There's a spring and it's hard to do, but it was stopped entirely. Hanging upside down, in the rain and dirt, with my face right under a precariously-supported trailer tongue is stupid even to me so I took the whole hitch receiver off the trailer and disassembled. The blob was on the top-ish part of the latch where I couldn't see it through the rain, the fog on my glasses, and the frustration. Removed the blob, re-assembled the whole thing. It works now. I sould probably go as H-F for a new latch. I bet the missing chrome there is going to rust. I want to bash it with a hammer anyway. This whole thing is starting to sour me on H-F. There's no ground spot for the wiring as the instructions. No sweat, I'll ground it to the clean metal of the receiver. The wiring plug doesn't fit my truck--it's a male plug, but it's got the 'female' rubber surrounding it. Circumcised plug--lights do not light. This is not a complex wiring system. And I hate electrical troubleshooting so I think I'm off to the store to buy a spool of wire and a new hitch plug and I'll just re-wire the whole thing myself. On 10/2/2018 10:23 AM, Randall wrote: > I agree. > > Lift or jack it up off the ball and make sure the latch piece inside > the trailer receiver is all the way down. Then move the tow vehicle > forward by 1/2" or so, such that the ball rubs on the front of the > receiver as you lower it back onto the ball. > -- Randall > > On 2 October 2018 10:07:31 GMT-04:00, Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: > > If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has to be the > latch piece is hung. > > I'm going to go take a shower now... > --------------22BB3A01D74E8F94B1F2C339 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Okay. Long story short(er):

I ended up disassembling the whole receiver. If the latch is a two-pronged fork, at the belly of the "Y" was a blob of...weld spatter? Or just a bad casting. A blob of metal sticking up. Anyway, the latch would start to close on the ball then that blob would hit the ball and it couldn't close.

I disassembled it entirely with an eye towards just manually putting the latch under the ball then screwing it shut. It wouldn't screw shut. There's a spring and it's hard to do, but it was stopped entirely. Hanging upside down, in the rain and dirt, with my face right under a precariously-supported trailer tongue is stupid even to me so I took the whole hitch receiver off the trailer and disassembled. The blob was on the top-ish part of the latch where I couldn't see it through the rain, the fog on my glasses, and the frustration.

Removed the blob, re-assembled the whole thing. It works now. I sould probably go as H-F for a new latch. I bet the missing chrome there is going to rust.

I want to bash it with a hammer anyway. This whole thing is starting to sour me on H-F.

There's no ground spot for the wiring as the instructions. No sweat, I'll ground it to the clean metal of the receiver. The wiring plug doesn't fit my truck--it's a male plug, but it's got the 'female' rubber surrounding it. Circumcised plug--lights do not light. This is not a complex wiring system. And I hate electrical troubleshooting so I think I'm off to the store to buy a spool of wire and a new hitch plug and I'll just re-wire the whole thing myself.


On 10/2/2018 10:23 AM, Randall wrote:
I agree.

Lift or jack it up off the ball and make sure the latch piece inside the trailer receiver is all the way down. Then move the tow vehicle forward by 1/2" or so, such that the ball rubs on the front of the receiver as you lower it back onto the ball.
-- Randall

On 2 October 2018 10:07:31 GMT-04:00, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
If you already fit the ball to the tongue, then it has to be the latch piece is hung.

I'm going to go take a shower now...

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2930022491501450990== --000000000000c9299e0577a9658f I've got the IR2131. I'm sure it's been superceded by now, but it's got plenty of grunt and has never broken anything. If I had to replace it I'd get another one. > > --000000000000c9299e0577a9658f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CFF2588A02 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 15:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209.cox.net ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20181007214135.FFJM30459.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo209.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:41:35 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.212.64]) by eastrmimpo209.cox.net with cox id klha1y0081Pvf1k01lhaWk; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 17:41:34 -0400 a=2VJ3ooessDXm0mWjmLS4yg==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=YgNhU7a423cA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=Z981hFoERR7gGrXv:21 a=dewfRx6lEsNrdFVD:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=CkxtBeMAWpEhBDNv:21 a=TRMO9f73otDQFv-Y:21 a=MEDCTRk0OSZs3_ut:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=R7nWeq4dleIJhz-CJ_3q:22 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jblair1948@cox.net Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 17:41:41 -0400 To: Brian Kemp From: "John T. Blair" References: Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8750240544011451068== boundary="=====================_31523028==.ALT" --=====================_31523028==.ALT At 03:29 PM 10/7/2018, Brian Kemp wrote: >I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much torque I >might need. I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft-lbs, but can't >break hand torqued wheel lugs...... I have to agree with Scott Hall, I too have an Ingersol Rand gun. It does a great job. For the few cases when it won't break a nut loose, I don't mind using a breaker bar to break the nut loose then use the gun to take the nut off the bolt/stud. That being said the Earthquake guns from Harborfreight seem to have some pretty good reviews. Don't forget most of these air guns have a knob that allows you to control how much torque it puts out. So set it to one of the lower settings, then slowly increase the setting till it breaks the nut loose. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_31523028==.ALT At 03:29 PM 10/7/2018, Brian Kemp wrote:

>I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much torque I
>might need. I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft-lbs, but can't
>break hand torqued wheel lugs......

I have to agree with Scott Hall, I too have an Ingersol Rand gun.  It does a great
job.  For the few cases when it won't break a nut loose, I don't mind using a breaker bar to break the nut loose then use the gun to take the nut off the bolt/stud.

That being said the Earthquake guns from Harborfreight seem to have some pretty good reviews.

Don't forget most of these air guns have a knob that allows you to control how much torque it puts out.  So set it to one of the lower settings, then slowly increase
the setting till it breaks the nut loose.

John


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          48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

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My brother-in-law used to be a swabbie, and he's got this method of gathering extension cords and hoses such that they never tangle. He hangs some and just stacks the rest. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. He's shown me how to do it, but I think it's something you can only really habituate having been on a ship. Scott --000000000000f114a70577ae8136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You know anybody that used to be in the Navy?=C2=A0

My brother-in-law used to be a swab= bie, and he's got this method of gathering extension cords and hoses su= ch that they never tangle. He hangs some and just stacks the rest. It's= the damnedest thing I've ever seen. He's shown me how to do it, bu= t I think it's something you can only really habituate having been on a= ship.=C2=A0

Scott
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--000000000000f114a70577ae8136-- --===============1628345396638010311== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1628345396638010311==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 22:24:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778AD2580705 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE002588ABA for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7344B241B0E for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6e5XSF-pUeyo for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-74-133-177-251.kya.res.rr.com [74.133.177.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46CC1241B05 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <97jnj9pji031sg7dcmchpkwk.1538961551602@email.android.com> From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:38:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8860126840874541075== boundary="------------5EA65D6AADEF320B66E0BC8D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5EA65D6AADEF320B66E0BC8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How easily do you need to be able to access each individual hose once you've stored them?  You could store 150-300 ft of garden hose coiled inside a section of Sonotube or, if you swap your tires for winter tires, you could store them coiled inside the summer tires. On 10/07/18 21:19, Arvid wrote: > I have 6 garden hoses, 25 and 50 feet long, that I would like to store > in a reasonable space and cost effective fashion. I don't have the > wall space to hang them all. Anyone have any suggestions or ideas on > some type of container(s) that could be used to hold them and possibly > stack them on shelves? > > Thanks, > Arvid > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab® S > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------5EA65D6AADEF320B66E0BC8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
How easily do you need to be able to access each individual hose once you've stored them?  You could store 150-300 ft of garden hose coiled inside a section of Sonotube or, if you swap your tires for winter tires, you could store them coiled inside the summer tires.


On 10/07/18 21:19, Arvid wrote:
I have 6 garden hoses, 25 and 50 feet long, that I would like to store in a reasonable space and cost effective fashion. I don't have the wall space to hang them all. Anyone have any suggestions or ideas on some type of container(s) that could be used to hold them and possibly stack them on shelves?

Thanks,
Arvid 

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HI Brian,

I know it is= more that you want to spend, but I have a IR Titanium--very light and very= powerful:

You ca= n dial it back so that it will not over-power anything.

Your compressor will be fine as you will be running off the tank, not= the pump, unless you run the tank pressure to below 80 psi, or whatever yo= u set your regulator to.


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brian Kemp &l= t;bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
I'm shopping for a new air impac= t wrench and wondered how much torque I
might need.=C2=A0 I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft= -lbs,
but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs.=C2=A0 If I need to undo a TR6 = crank
bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a breaker ba= r
like last time.

The primary use will be wheel lugs.=C2=A0 Occasional use will be brake jobs=
and related car work.

Per the sticker on the compressor specs are 5.5 SCFM at 90psi, 5HP, 26
gal, 135psi max.=C2=A0 This is Husky Pro about 15 years old, so I recognize=
the HP rating is likely optimistic.=C2=A0 The motor requirement is 15A @ 120V, which would indicate a more realistic HP rating in the 2HP range.

I'm not after continuous duty.=C2=A0 At most, it would be 5 wheel lugs = then a
break.

I'm thinking the 1000 ft-lb models are overkill and could potentially d= o
damage snapping an old TR6 or GT6 bolt.=C2=A0 I'd rather have the tool = not
take off the nut/bolt than snap it.

The new Husky ones at Home Depot look nice, but I don't see any feedbac= k
on the 800 ft-lb model and only one on the 650 ft-lb model.=C2=A0 If I do g= o
bigger, Lowes has a nice 1000 ft-lb model with a 95% recommended rating.
Any feedback is appreciated.=C2=A0 Since this isn't really necessary, I= 'm
looking at about the $100 range.

Thanks,

Brian
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--0000000000001caaa10577a99cab-- --===============8371944149347266552== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8371944149347266552==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 23:18:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11002588AD5 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f181.google.com (mail-it1-f181.google.com [209.85.166.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB44D25802F7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f181.google.com with SMTP id l127-v6so8946279ith.1 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Q3J44A6Z9/n2w1r/4rVM88dwmfw0fG6Ya6W9E7VM59Q=; b=uJJwkItAHz/vRsdHW54bvN7I2CrZ8QB5z5VCxcv7EhvLyqgJ0xx7wY36Oe0azS6cpz 1vRKoN9hYvfMmcOsMiERvnnYycLiQ7uwx1my0Qs4dB1y+9+EVcBmYU7yir4MeAOKapFG tUpbAhZVy0CnZEHYlybxnyIXMQWlATfcP5jWRSDXUDoVXlOwS3yhHaPQ/HHGxp/QJ5jl RmnpYurC7nVsVMwROhe+7VPpysrSL2y2omWqDsGtKN8MET1MLTeuN+aXBtQ22ub3A7Iv e20Vff7DVMrDaL6XSpY9oS1sesASOOdhLmkeup1ceN3A0+NSxC+5RxBgp3Rxn1D/CMt1 dzYA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Q3J44A6Z9/n2w1r/4rVM88dwmfw0fG6Ya6W9E7VM59Q=; b=OQfUkyUtVj01v6o7XZ4w7YtSLlfZKpK7N3sLY0Vs9W5HklrF2vCelcFoIVa5vCU1XN naJYcFcABa5E1/hDVKj2FFNnaiUw+0EIPcjerqqC71sOcS08nvEuOrD/9RasbT0f639t bHUyJgmi5FJNx0Kalw9mNvDsCmsLfP26JSQB6O/JxmYMQ18YWHJl71NBP9tXJGvP+FKq TYzjH4HmF98Z1O2f1DXY+ugB7k7qrP30mTqECDqPffjY73F+FXEIcD5Uf2iDgZPcjifL ywzyA+OcEkxR8W8cv5epDk2+TMjmN5oKwlvXUOIQllO7LZqsf4Sdl0YxulhT+iLw5Vlm IAiA== GG+BuczpN1qKV+6MUnXFeg4Q/lyCVAVrKu73ll0= b65-v6mr16384121jai.61.1538945435216; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) References: From: old dirtbeard Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 13:48:43 -0700 To: bk13@earthlink.net Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1714656518321634430== --000000000000feaf3d0577a9a7e9 Hi Scott, I have the same model and am 100% happy with it. Like you, I would replace it with the same or updated model. The new model designations are cheaper and more powerful, so I assume they are Chinese-build... On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 1:45 PM old dirtbeard wrote: > HI Brian, > > I know it is more that you want to spend, but I have a IR Titanium--very > light and very powerful: > > https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_dp_s_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=Ingersoll+Rand > > You can dial it back so that it will not over-power anything. > > Your compressor will be fine as you will be running off the tank, not the > pump, unless you run the tank pressure to below 80 psi, or whatever you set > your regulator to. > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brian Kemp wrote: > >> I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much torque I >> might need. I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft-lbs, >> but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs. If I need to undo a TR6 crank >> bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a breaker bar >> like last time. >> >> The primary use will be wheel lugs. Occasional use will be brake jobs >> and related car work. >> >> Per the sticker on the compressor specs are 5.5 SCFM at 90psi, 5HP, 26 >> gal, 135psi max. This is Husky Pro about 15 years old, so I recognize >> the HP rating is likely optimistic. The motor requirement is 15A @ >> 120V, which would indicate a more realistic HP rating in the 2HP range. >> >> I'm not after continuous duty. At most, it would be 5 wheel lugs then a >> break. >> >> I'm thinking the 1000 ft-lb models are overkill and could potentially do >> damage snapping an old TR6 or GT6 bolt. I'd rather have the tool not >> take off the nut/bolt than snap it. >> >> The new Husky ones at Home Depot look nice, but I don't see any feedback >> on the 800 ft-lb model and only one on the 650 ft-lb model. If I do go >> bigger, Lowes has a nice 1000 ft-lb model with a 95% recommended rating. >> >> Any feedback is appreciated. Since this isn't really necessary, I'm >> looking at about the $100 range. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@live.com >> >> --000000000000feaf3d0577a9a7e9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Scott,=C2=A0

I have the same model a= nd am 100% happy with it. Like you, I would replace it with the same or upd= ated model. The new model designations are cheaper and more powerful, so I = assume they are Chinese-build...

=
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 1:45 PM old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Brian,=

I know it is more that you want to spend, but I have a = IR Titanium--very light and very powerful:

You can dial it back so that it= will not over-power anything.

Your compressor wil= l be fine as you will be running off the tank, not the pump, unless you run= the tank pressure to below 80 psi, or whatever you set your regulator to.<= /div>


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 12:46 PM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
I'm shopping for a new air impact wrenc= h and wondered how much torque I
might need.=C2=A0 I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft= -lbs,
but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs.=C2=A0 If I need to undo a TR6 = crank
bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a breaker ba= r
like last time.

The primary use will be wheel lugs.=C2=A0 Occasional use will be brake jobs=
and related car work.

Per the sticker on the compressor specs are 5.5 SCFM at 90psi, 5HP, 26
gal, 135psi max.=C2=A0 This is Husky Pro about 15 years old, so I recognize=
the HP rating is likely optimistic.=C2=A0 The motor requirement is 15A @ 120V, which would indicate a more realistic HP rating in the 2HP range.

I'm not after continuous duty.=C2=A0 At most, it would be 5 wheel lugs = then a
break.

I'm thinking the 1000 ft-lb models are overkill and could potentially d= o
damage snapping an old TR6 or GT6 bolt.=C2=A0 I'd rather have the tool = not
take off the nut/bolt than snap it.

The new Husky ones at Home Depot look nice, but I don't see any feedbac= k
on the 800 ft-lb model and only one on the 650 ft-lb model.=C2=A0 If I do g= o
bigger, Lowes has a nice 1000 ft-lb model with a 95% recommended rating.
Any feedback is appreciated.=C2=A0 Since this isn't really necessary, I= 'm
looking at about the $100 range.

Thanks,

Brian
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--000000000000feaf3d0577a9a7e9-- --===============1714656518321634430== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1714656518321634430==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 23:35:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0780A2588642 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 23:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f178.google.com (mail-it1-f178.google.com [209.85.166.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A3A258875F for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 15:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f178.google.com with SMTP id h6-v6so8999333ith.0 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:32:45 -0700 (PDT) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YHfTQdbNgDk9u/H0bM5YliCr+bnDIsFXOA06sjvD5Ao=; b=YXKxK/bSgHbDfO0UF1UW5G2EgkFsa49obNcEN45YAjvkREIgtUJt11jLCvf7jMY/r9 UR0oezrrdgMSotYhPBDTfQ24snRp441Bi+BubEy9df7KqQksZq0RWZhPro1ZhzBu1keB F2tz550d7yywmNOFO4g/Fs43LvAdeFuROA81A= d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YHfTQdbNgDk9u/H0bM5YliCr+bnDIsFXOA06sjvD5Ao=; b=oRCZJu3grAe8uRFmzzh4RU12DSfTzVx+Bbs617DhkXe2OlIOvRDI0XpigAb9dIDMPi mlI6MmZS7QukcF7/ekgJkb0wZuaZmHjfVN1dWcMvuXA0bUO3kw1PnESSQ1gpdUn9ppat ZIIlBB/WSoXwL2unfCFZ7xvRP1YLRplgnumTsOzvvYdiXo8kG6otJ9oBQABOqpogcQ6u DcPm2OcJz7e6UwV+eO78LoNsVXon708gjpvRLMcsKT0X6mSmx6dxnHEArtW7N/uGHNQl F49oOBc6mFNqZ9sfseH1rY8fd/S2dlpLaEP2zAHP6ZZ0Y/MPyw5D0oXJNxUoOFEi+sCN PjQg== yWzGLoUEX4q3sxqhmZOj9H0coRrZZgkzWqoaH67yCg== f6-v6mr15361372jal.114.1538947965240; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:32:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <20181007211556.089292588B47@autox.team.net> From: Ian McFetridge Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:32:34 -0400 To: rustymetal Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6653957717553713063== --000000000000cbd8160577aa3e88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Second the IR gun, mine is about 10 years old and only with some periodic oil continues to be an excellent gun. I like the dial with four levels of power, which I believe is a needle valve that adjusts the pressure to the gun. On sensitive parts I=E2=80=99ll put it on the low setting and then di= al it up as needed to break loose fasteners (to your point about breaking things). It=E2=80=99s a lot easier than lowering the line pressure, although that wo= uld work too. BEst, Ian On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM rustymetal wrote: > I swear by Air Cat. I bought a 1/2" drive 500 lbs reverse torque recently= . > Little to no vibration or kick back. > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Brian Kemp > Date: 10/7/18 12:29 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? > > I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much torque I > might need. I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250 ft-lbs, > but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs. If I need to undo a TR6 crank > bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a breaker bar > like last time. > > The primary use will be wheel lugs. Occasional use will be brake jobs > and related car work. > > Per the sticker on the compressor specs are 5.5 SCFM at 90psi, 5HP, 26 > gal, 135psi max. This is Husky Pro about 15 years old, so I recognize > the HP rating is likely optimistic. The motor requirement is 15A @ > 120V, which would indicate a more realistic HP rating in the 2HP range. > > I'm not after continuous duty. At most, it would be 5 wheel lugs then a > break. > > I'm thinking the 1000 ft-lb models are overkill and could potentially do > damage snapping an old TR6 or GT6 bolt. I'd rather have the tool not > take off the nut/bolt than snap it. > > The new Husky ones at Home Depot look nice, but I don't see any feedback > on the 800 ft-lb model and only one on the 650 ft-lb model. If I do go > bigger, Lowes has a nice 1000 ft-lb model with a 95% recommended rating. > > Any feedback is appreciated. Since this isn't really necessary, I'm > looking at about the $100 range. > > Thanks, > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rustymetal@sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --000000000000cbd8160577aa3e88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Second the IR gun, mine is about 10 years old and on= ly with some periodic oil continues to be an excellent gun.=C2=A0 I like th= e dial with four levels of power, which I believe is a needle valve that ad= justs the pressure to the gun.=C2=A0 On sensitive parts I=E2=80=99ll put it= on the low setting and then dial it up as needed to break loose fasteners = (to your point about breaking things).=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s a lot easier than= lowering the line pressure, although that would work too.

BEst,
Ian

On Sun, Oct 7, 201= 8 at 5:16 PM rustymetal <rus= tymetal@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Sent f= rom my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone

-------- Orig= inal message --------
From: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Dat= e: 10/7/18 12:29 PM (GMT-08:00)

I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench= and wondered how much torque I
might need.=C2=A0 I'm replacing a H= arbor Freight one that claims 250 ft-lbs,
but can't break hand torq= ued wheel lugs.=C2=A0 If I need to undo a TR6 crank
bolt again, I'l= l borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a breaker bar
like last tim= e.

The primary use will be wheel lugs.=C2=A0 Occasional use will be = brake jobs
and related car work.

Per the sticker on the compress= or specs are 5.5 SCFM at 90psi, 5HP, 26
gal, 135psi max.=C2=A0 This is = Husky Pro about 15 years old, so I recognize
the HP rating is likely op= timistic.=C2=A0 The motor requirement is 15A @
120V, which would indica= te a more realistic HP rating in the 2HP range.

I'm not after co= ntinuous duty.=C2=A0 At most, it would be 5 wheel lugs then a
break.
I'm thinking the 1000 ft-lb models are overkill and could potentia= lly do
damage snapping an old TR6 or GT6 bolt.=C2=A0 I'd rather hav= e the tool not
take off the nut/bolt than snap it.

The new Husky= ones at Home Depot look nice, but I don't see any feedback
on the = 800 ft-lb model and only one on the 650 ft-lb model.=C2=A0 If I do go
b= igger, Lowes has a nice 1000 ft-lb model with a 95% recommended rating.
=
Any feedback is appreciated.=C2=A0 Since this isn't really necessar= y, I'm
looking at about the $100 range.

Thanks,

Brian=
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--000000000000cbd8160577aa3e88-- --===============6653957717553713063== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6653957717553713063==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 03:59:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877F2588864 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 03:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452432588843 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 03:15:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.113]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 9RdmgeQSCxW0C9Rdmg2MSS; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 09:15:50 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1538990150; bh=5Vh3hpO26ZnGpfV5ILgLW66Ueg/rnQbvXHlZsAtS+B8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AtQjdkWIKVqnazt3pat7yQumI+tTS9z90Fy7A6AcF832+NGd2wa5uLrXkrelwh9f+ 2iz9DL7q5PxjzhmNQSyIMT1dhidDO1WNz+OTJUqU0Wkmqmu2XlXRr4FefVFVtsiYtj Pdo1EGMPrBEu+KWpspDxnf5hY6RMoEIC3u/CZcL3snor2eKglG4Y3ZzmqJxwEwLmRN 9ClUWjqkJjZg4vdEHerr+qRmzrQ1X82WUnqb5BJTSly9CCiKeewyK4MjOcQkjAVWpJ HTjoRsluxxNsKwfZjicwexLtx8lBzOgapae1HaxWe6GwrGY9RirIA/d8Z9S0ystzdv kevafVNc4uPoA== Received: from oxapp-ch2h-60o.email.comcast.net ([96.118.144.46]) by resomta-ch2-17v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id 9RdmgZwVlxJH69Rdmg2wbO; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 09:15:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 11:15:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Mark Watson To: Shop Talk References: <20181007211556.089292588B47@autox.team.net> Importance: Medium sfFO2l6sWtqWp53e072ayD5A+awnNQWEjGFpRFCBIzU4NI1k1l2bJgRtuzo7qzk/5N8heU5aFB1OZ868vkQqPmvzuubsZMTMv2c= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3865328128867038163== boundary="----=_Part_66376_1696412795.1538990150355" ------=_Part_66376_1696412795.1538990150355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Though I don't own one, my favorite YouTube channel is South Main Auto Repa= ir, and Eric O (the owner and mechanic) swears by his Astro Nano that's mor= e in your price range: https://www.amazon.com/Astro-1822-Nano-Impact-Wrench= /dp/B00VTQIURE - used it on camera lots of times. He also swears by the HF= Earthquake and he seems quite surprised by that. He's been using one sin= ce Thanksgiving last year and it's still going strong. Mark > Second the IR gun, mine is about 10 years old and only with some peri= odic oil continues to be an excellent gun. I like the dial with four level= s of power, which I believe is a needle valve that adjusts the pressure to = the gun. On sensitive parts I=E2=80=99ll put it on the low setting and the= n dial it up as needed to break loose fasteners (to your point about breaki= ng things). It=E2=80=99s a lot easier than lowering the line pressure, alt= hough that would work too. >=20 > BEst, > Ian >=20 > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM rustymetal < rustymetal@sbcglobal.net = mailto:rustymetal@sbcglobal.net > wrote: >=20 > > > I swear by Air Cat. I bought a 1/2" drive 500 lbs rev= erse torque recently. Little to no vibration or kick back.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone > >=20 > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Brian Kemp < bk13@earthlink.net mailto:bk13@earthlink.net= > > > Date: 10/7/18 12:29 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Shop Talk < shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net mailto:shop-talk@Autox= .Team.Net > > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque? > >=20 > > I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much = torque I > > might need. I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 250= ft-lbs, > > but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs. If I need to undo a T= R6 crank > > bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench or just use a br= eaker bar > > like last time. > >=20 > > The primary use will be wheel lugs. Occasional use will be bra= ke jobs > > and related car work. > >=20 > > > > Any feedback is appreciated. Since this isn't really necessary= , I'm > > looking at about the $100 range. > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 ------=_Part_66376_1696412795.1538990150355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Though I don't own one, my favorite = YouTube channel is Sout= h Main Auto Repair, and Eric O (the owner and mechanic) swears = by his Astro Nano that's more in your price range: https://www= .amazon.com/Astro-1822-Nano-Impact-Wrench/dp/B00VTQIURE - used it = on camera lots of times.  He also swears by the HF Earthquake and he s= eems quite surprised  by that.  He's been using one since Tha= nksgiving last year and it's still going strong.


Mark

Second the IR gun, mine is about 10 years old and only with = some periodic oil continues to be an excellent gun.  I like the dial w= ith four levels of power, which I believe is a needle valve that adjusts th= e pressure to the gun.  On sensitive parts I’ll put it on the lo= w setting and then dial it up as needed to break loose fasteners (to your p= oint about breaking things).  It’s a lot easier than lowering th= e line pressure, although that would work too.

BEst,
Ian
On Sun, Oct 7, 2= 018 at 5:16 PM rustymetal < rustymetal@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I= swear by Air Cat. I bought a 1/2" drive 500 lbs reverse torque recentl= y. Little to no vibration or kick back. 


=

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
<= div>

---= ----- Original message --------
From: Brian Kemp < bk13@earthli= nk.net>
Date: 10/7/18 12:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: = Shop Talk < shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: [S= hop-talk] Air Impact Wrenches - how much torque?

= I'm shopping for a new air impact wrench and wondered how much torque I=
might need.  I'm replacing a Harbor Freight one that claims 2= 50 ft-lbs,
but can't break hand torqued wheel lugs.  If I need= to undo a TR6 crank
bolt again, I'll borrow a bigger impact wrench= or just use a breaker bar
like last time.

The primary use wil= l be wheel lugs.  Occasional use will be brake jobs
and related ca= r work.

<snip>
Any feedback is appreciated.  Since= this isn't really necessary, I'm
looking at about the $100 ran= ge.

Thanks,

Brian
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= =20 ------=_Part_66376_1696412795.1538990150355-- --===============3865328128867038163== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3865328128867038163==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 06:22:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1CB25888B5 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 06:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD02588828 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 05:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FC3801A61C for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; s=groupwbench.org; bh=hxOwn6YEcLLLlx4AE En8VxihcxU=; b=Ky0TkkyVzUquTxiyd6zALmYDEFdiOmkQfDrqJhmOCvP4T/r+W me/mehbjrjQVo7vNHv+cW8sPJ1bRLNpc2glWs48Ngah2MKP8lmFYAr3dig2rJMJ5 E1jTRpQy0mzO2GsjNT1NMV3C4wr9frV0cQQjLQZhdE5A1g0VyAAIuEB8hc= Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E584F801A613 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 04:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 07:41:01 -0400 References: <97jnj9pji031sg7dcmchpkwk.1538961551602@email.android.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6405163071708309954== boundary="Apple-Mail=_10949547-689F-4301-869F-6E3206586E8D" --Apple-Mail=_10949547-689F-4301-869F-6E3206586E8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Old plastic trash cans cut to the depth you need for stacking? 5 gal buckets from a big box store/driveway sealer/pickles from a deli? jim > On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Arvid wrote: >=20 > I have 6 garden hoses, 25 and 50 feet long, that I would like to store = in a reasonable space and cost effective fashion. I don't have the wall = space to hang them all. Anyone have any suggestions or ideas on some = type of container(s) that could be used to hold them and possibly stack = them on shelves? >=20 > Thanks, > Arvid=20 >=20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab=C2=AE S >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_10949547-689F-4301-869F-6E3206586E8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Old plastic trash cans cut to the depth you need for = stacking?

5 gal = buckets from a big box store/driveway sealer/pickles from a deli?

jim

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I have 6 garden hoses, 25 and 50 feet long, that I would = like to store in a reasonable space and cost effective fashion. I don't = have the wall space to hang them all. Anyone have any suggestions or = ideas on some type of container(s) that could be used to hold them and = possibly stack them on shelves?

Thanks,
Arvid 

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= --Apple-Mail=_10949547-689F-4301-869F-6E3206586E8D-- --===============6405163071708309954== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6405163071708309954==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 14:26:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B232588632 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f43.google.com (mail-lf1-f43.google.com [209.85.167.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72635258875D for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f43.google.com with SMTP id p34-v6so14799855lfg.10 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=R/8e9gecgS1TpaibnCheSx/4gNaz+eWplP8aUBJLcCc=; b=oBux+lgMhysHPxwGANsRVZtZxpTTphP/WdANQXRxYtN4115/Sg+kXriOKfxvl4vq0G 1VaQS7KOvb1e3SmSz32FO7sxxEYQn9CIG6Z8m1pL1StiZS3A5pkTHC1p53fOINmlpsu2 GUfkemfAid58xHMhG3w4jqj4U2TJZgB66KG1mhiBrlNi9Ezfdg/mnVKHb4eOOiFM5zfp DH0yyM1szh/WxBzt1C+W73uhYSa1GU5vBUfNyRWaHvW0c59be1F0RujKiZq8SBDkvCSh AfbMkyUHO6AwvizV+1m9JuF+IywtVyce1Ou03q3TaCuS/Kwrz8cQQKaDRjWNqzOdc42u pQ2Q== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=R/8e9gecgS1TpaibnCheSx/4gNaz+eWplP8aUBJLcCc=; b=iUVXSxgDul86MgjIwm7JRH/lYFlsKISFNMeMo0z3NJsHNvQsV8rzoiPbS6hQJQUMKR Gh26R5of0AOj7TDG4NVDv/W/ViwyKkVHmpR7FHDe7fWTY0TBVFFzlc9sLCL4ZbXuwRIl 91Ttu+QNlZgqWwCD2x4i9Sb2cprP0QqeEkR9kFcE4gjT0XNQw4g/oVjDa8NN+eYHjHL9 CnTryLTYVP9ryg+1a4pwacOqxhyRsqlaa1yxbl3RbvZTxivsFww/gS+VQTCoSmBjW/4C coCsfFbFNNx+Xlzyu75Zh3UVSeitYLAkd/rFTRrpS67z2UujWE8ASIcg9ea81rvxfazb itLg== hml1L9T/V20AikcuYPYrwwfQPSCrWBxiHZGBNVZCfA== d10-v6mr10348911lfa.49.1539028948750; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:02:23 -0400 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8374813747166423006== --000000000000ca19cc0577bd1940 In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread remaining). He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away... Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my self-employment keeping me busy enough. Thanks for all your sage wisdom! -Peter --000000000000ca19cc0577bd1940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceas= ed father-in-law, i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're = bagged and unmounted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (abo= ut 50% tread remaining).

He also had a 1969 Ford F100 p= ickup that has been sitting for a while. The tires are pretty beat and one = will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got it running while I was out= there last week, but with the one rear flat, it was tough to evaluate it m= uch. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so the clut= ch, first and reverse all worked fine.

I realize they= 9;re not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't replace the ti= res currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realize they= 9;re slightly different in width and circumference, but they're pretty = doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely my = mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent and= inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a buyer = to tow his purchase away...

Aside from aesthetics = and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad things could potentially= come from putting these tires on the truck?

Yes, = i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in wester= n Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my se= lf-employment keeping me busy enough.

Thanks for a= ll your sage wisdom!

-Peter
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New" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 17:42:41 -0400 References: please include it with any abuse report jnew@hazelden.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, This is a fantastic tire and wheel size calculator/comparator: https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/ Just plug in the values from the two tire sizes and it will give you dimensions and recommendations for the second set of tires. According to the site, the second set of tires will be almost 1" wider and about 1" greater in diameter than the tires on the car; there is also a warning that the larger tires may affect handling. Whatever you do, look at the date codes on whichever tires you put on the truck to make sure that they're not too old to safely use. John P. New London, Ontario, Canada On Monday, October 8, 2018 4:02:23 PM EDT Peter Murray wrote: > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i > ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, > and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread > remaining). > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The > tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got > it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it > was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it > about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't > replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I > realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're > pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely > my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent > and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a > buyer to tow his purchase away... > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad > things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in > western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my > self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > -Peter > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 18:16:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873DF2588C4E for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM01-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam01lp0120.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56EA258890C for ; 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I would do it. Brian Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Peter Murra= y Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 2:02 PM To: Shop-Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i ra= n across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, and = appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread remaining). He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The = tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got = it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it = was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it a= bout 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't repla= ce the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realiz= e they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're pretty= doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely my mot= her-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent and in= flated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a buyer to = tow his purchase away... Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad th= ings could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in w= estern Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my s= elf-employment keeping me busy enough. Thanks for all your sage wisdom! -Peter --_000_CO2PR20MB0140F33681C34CB6269ED20DBBE60CO2PR20MB0140namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't see a downside to installing those tires on a vehicle that is going= to be sold anyway. I would do it.

Brian
Nampa, ID
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gm= ail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 2:02 PM
To: Shop-Talk List
Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question
 
In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law,= i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted,= and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread remainin= g).

He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The = tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got = it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it = was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and rev= erse all worked fine.

I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't = replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I r= ealize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're p= retty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (s= igh), and I figure that having four decent and inflated tires gives a bette= r negotiating position than requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away...

Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what B= ad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck?

Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its= in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and= my self-employment keeping me busy enough.

Thanks for all your sage wisdom!

-Peter
--_000_CO2PR20MB0140F33681C34CB6269ED20DBBE60CO2PR20MB0140namp_-- --===============5903610475315043630== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5903610475315043630==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 18:56:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0177B2588C99 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f180.google.com (mail-oi1-f180.google.com [209.85.167.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD43E2588B6E for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f180.google.com with SMTP id p125-v6so16753591oic.3 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:35:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vkYI7O2uBddBVyiTIw7VoSh6ojdhGOAj2zeEx6YJ+H8=; b=qM1tCOqd3NE+PToV50p4ChnlE+eWY+9brnx4uTNae/ZwmupQpRraYNbWz0djWbKndu tHz8LskRugn79n9WgFfSpMX6pevr094nwQnyE27H8FSBHAQWFmxX0BzbRXqjdmmHPs7e DJHrvNUTH0rTzdXnTcAmxy6t61eIvY9NMNTDq3zL3vEMrbQes1yDGCzyscGSaIJULVf9 AcSu9uPcZkEvvHjF32LUjUkN6Ymb9l0ivhqIBtPL3sJiLpbPAvNJZVp7eP/+N7460Xfi c9ZwIxzK6rrgpyo6PEWhNW2I4qjWBTT/HwsPTvTtGvS1zuGnq2z03UBZFdrciB2YxonN zG0g== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vkYI7O2uBddBVyiTIw7VoSh6ojdhGOAj2zeEx6YJ+H8=; b=k7jeuR+NAQ2HeqPoNK8h2m+SQHzC2EBSW20a5W1Ziva4T/4AdxfzPOzyS4RbNwVa8Z WCz66ayZYvTezFIr7RHeL4DOCg3KOVt2R2VpjG/ErxatxLNg6A/RnMtkxUIrkdY0Uq01 YB6SmWzQEmJLFJ19bLEas0/qRBO623DtNE0J3oTXwUiCycGlLn0pOl6Dhp21hT0hE37D SWw/9e8L1Fx8HIHrT2KtG8cGy6Gbnk0dJXyKp9EiGxc4D9a27VJTUQIz9DBU5tuHN+Gm KKoKB8/eBTKir2UB0OPcr2B1twVpC0y8AngK3kL9uKmYO3+HstkgN58mAnHMxN8YbKvV iOIw== CBXxizrEL4KwgSYuXBCUUG36H7fAr+Y6NBPuhi8= f5-v6mr6127915oia.224.1539038137047; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:35:37 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:35:28 -0400 To: Peter Murray , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM Peter Murray wrote: > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? If they are more than six years old, you could mount them, but warn the buyer they are not for long distance, high-speed driving. If they are more than ten years old, get a cheap set of rim protectors instead. Nobody needs hte liability... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 20:28:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50572588D55 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam02lp0018.outbound.protection.outlook.com [216.32.180.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8C2588C92 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:57:23 -0600 (MDT) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=yhNi3kLPE4Vg/X+a1g2Wy++BDf4FcQLp+BtXUU7gm1A=; b=Z+Xz9GA/7UuNrPl326lU5YwZeGC2LQotB5VrFUHpRhA7Uz9DplAa6I2tEmqQ5Y09G9ZFJWXGvqjaWKadw+QLSXY6sJ10wg7sMSc3GuWO+W5nq8sFfj/r8s9CcmjC1FJdvnXJPpyUM2g3fir+XEMif/MwMXFooArIE8FILLv4bR7RbT7U+CgkdaECT5tywqja9Igabx6AOemJMDeFbtKdCd0NySotvL7g/TC0lw0JFEQXV2TZsYmvGkOotvu6tzCybE2GUV4o/N61wZPQFyudI0u4Lv5iquQJA2B6eDhjvlbKUDIh1HdAG8RmersHvT/AXpAyoba6tC0forqcbjRkew== Received: from SN1NAM02FT021.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.60) by SN1NAM02HT242.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.73.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1228.17; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:57:17 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.72.55) by SN1NAM02FT021.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1228.17 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:57:17 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5cec:94d2:4d7c:1028]) by CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5cec:94d2:4d7c:1028%10]) with mapi id 15.20.1228.020; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:57:17 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Thread-Index: AQHUX2DafVEGN08BDkOifQauqNTffg== Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:57:17 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:2899A5552008D4F149190A20296EF2F0A2EF8C5E129B5E04DFEFC78A45AD822C; UpperCasedChecksum:91BD82690DC04489E90A807014882E53721695FBA6DD665A41419FF3826DA91E; SizeAsReceived:6881; Count:44 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [+aKUnq8gmov+5tDKkeJ0gzNLrfjhwZD0] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; SN1NAM02HT242; 6:ljqupHSiDnJjvrDoj55FdErzoRtEPfkpqac7IXJpNog5yzmZVnmnwHsgWxwiuL6z2REe/RYEdMzP2i0+ZY8hWDNTuOO7cpqeEAWT39wLR21dI+nW1+sMkNuakJwgZGfO3fLMy1cTqlkfkxXwmwlIPOb5bXYDhI4s2BKmHZGMqE/9F35ZvO8DzcYhLlNQYYNL99aaQy93Ix1+prlGdSqP+q4p1qp8M71cedgAw5FwcyM0uqpBfcdygh1oQa9/N+v805R/UO+1kr5t4dPS0+gRepsxKfCR1yn/06yO0mHS/lji5Kqt19zzbIhVTi4b84mKeIt22fU54xd9lNTlhv5RE1R4DcnYVkHz4Z19/VOuZ8yUfKytmKtAyBLo/bU7u5IkywvZYyeh7D6WykxVRb0y6d+2jJyFquRBArVPdmb4ZLbqCupiLcBK0GhN4XuPVTghKuw7NJa2CEAXHgfxZMZlPQ==; 5:3J2kG0KA8bk01Sr2ODBrkb+b+URzHka+Gya44+SKWwiocNVyuHCQ+Gw5EkyS7llrC70srs43ldwpZSsYgLoBl+ait6QUwbzd/5N6F9oS5zAvWItOy1HHf2jWMpOX1lm366G80utE248x2VVO86VQnEnjJ34ipcmM7gW+NCazcpU=; 7:nGK9zaCOlS7EIGZ75qpT+0V51qB4wrYUSFCALAsp+IDdkAD9IM/S9dGwZeR+9Bp85Cq8dEdKgvgNUxG+lnusfkCNtUpV8R2XXiG7vsSfJwBYy0hEf6V6d6ITCyQ42IgnSA+P7dkYLFv8RqxJnEhu5Vv2nsUbEQBIjEltq0pQ7ppWA7OIjhDgITXi4Qb+oOJts2qSVhignin1TmY8E0Sx++QCdH0TpmdnZfLU2GcWwMlppSBReciesp1DyiVnIZv0 x-incomingheadercount: 44 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(7020095)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322404)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT242; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM02HT242: x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(4566010)(82015058); SRVR:SN1NAM02HT242; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:SN1NAM02HT242; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 80x5JEzLzeiw56O7sMFmgTVQb2O0zmnKbefNEMxPvi/sXArrkGQuoPGUaZFzVSs2 Subject: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5542612167828230653== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_" --_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry but I ju= st got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer side of things = than I used to be. I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankfully the p= int that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the "Z". (I have= to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've n= ot done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think thi= s computer can handle the updates. Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @2.20 = GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1" Finally here's the question: What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long overdu= e updates. cheers happily home from sketchy memphis tim --_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, this is not a shop = talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry but I just go= t back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer side of things = than I used to be. 

I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankf= ully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the &q= uot;Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny thi= s..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can= handle the updates. 

Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @= 2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1"

Finally here's the question: 

What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for th= ese long overdue updates. 

cheers
happily home from sketchy memphis
tim
--_000_CY4PR13MB13025DDF60DC21F7233CE5F9B4E60CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============5542612167828230653== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5542612167828230653==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 21:32:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D902588DAE for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7542588D63 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98424801AF3B for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; s=groupwbench.org; bh=AwrOUjdq9/aOd0MaVwij6RymHrU=; b=EfgDXwHx9GJTjWAORIbrpI8TK8+N qVooJfC9McQA3llFcn2IxCoEsSeW3Gd/xqN+RX3Ulg4idDmc89khkHMw62Tm4Sjh l4O2TpvnTwxj/7q89ovZAQKRybLSBOYCvz/sVRbHFwh76rtijAvZG6byGYwQHR1y ykm02diJ4uwnHIY= Received: from [192.168.1.135] (c-73-253-103-15.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.253.103.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62F52801AF3A for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 22:37:54 -0400 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, someone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be told. jim > On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread remaining). > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away... > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > -Peter > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 00:14:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896F72580869 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4484258644D for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 22:54:52 -0600 (MDT) s=dk12062016; t=1539060892; bh=sxHnlqn2vYYSnaWoCCTw5OHQ+KmxRvt1+epk H/gBbLg=; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language: X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; b=J40p8dkcFFh3Qpe5TWn4nT51ua1btQeZd 7doaSyYYvk5gRiFtSQKDuvhw+nXvl1OstCJcB2YX2OCnIAie3tAywPNHGotyQmi/XWh v8bgVkUcVCg4Zl8gL1vkhwf4UeAnzf+96W9xuZXhpuqIqcBk9dgqWz2AFJJ0AS0yHmT z9oI17TX9829cLIL8Hj3CCv5t4sOvvm6wSFcIwH8L5xfYeJyOMCloFfzYVy4fwvqmGO J9pAAmD7RJmcGJtvloFMa+lZhOSXk02EGRTyxaogdCsWz7loet3Xf/3ru9S+I/yf6w0 GyZDU8Ty9A0C5qDaebEK7hq9jyqrXNeoxFTELPotg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=qwimXgo7TuW4tvR7TNemrM18cLG2WR6GwFzx/+YzD/u7i/S+D80VDYHK3+qk5s5NA19Vzm5tY5eTdT0uRB+2XCzNgqt+Uy4yV/QoN2xVnczcZXngbncO0EGfDFBfSUsb6LpS6t85j85cHzdCLdCP96/E4Qh5ovRLgj+u16tEvomLUFdhMt18vxaqmT5zWF65SEmLJvWSvywLiI3h52uuzo+QtrrnvUpUspfkLY6g/hPyKETJDjkn3xCg/6KgdHBSQtChxZr/Vl2rSIyX5peJ2Zs42fNNaeZ52KC7vfCqc+a6mz2p/izSM5mA/DZhyNwG8mWIesfDGdSkRSqFj6iwEg==; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.181.124.168] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1g9k2b-0009fi-L4; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 00:54:41 -0400 To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:53:28 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4527256081762895418== boundary="------------0E5B773362E543C1BD4288C6" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0E5B773362E543C1BD4288C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a Win 7 laptop that had not been used in over a year, so had a similar issue. My first updates would be your anti-virus. I then ran Windows Update at least 10 times to get it caught up.  It would do some updates then need a restart.  It then found another batch and needed another restart.... I'd just plug it in and start running updates.  Check every once in a while.  Perhaps turn off the power saving/sleep so it stays on. After all these updates, then I'd check your browser if not IE, Adobe Flash, and Reader if you have them installed. Brian On 10/8/2018 5:57 PM, Tim . wrote: > Yes, this is not a *shop talk* type of post but some of Y'all (sorry > but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer > side of things than I used to be. > > I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankfully > the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the > "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... > NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates in too long because I > seriously don't think this computer can handle the updates. > > Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU > @2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1" > > Finally here's the question: > > What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long > overdue updates. > > cheers > happily home from sketchy memphis > tim > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------0E5B773362E543C1BD4288C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a Win 7 laptop that had not been used in over a year, so had a similar issue. 

My first updates would be your anti-virus.

I then ran Windows Update at least 10 times to get it caught up.  It would do some updates then need a restart.  It then found another batch and needed another restart....

I'd just plug it in and start running updates.  Check every once in a while.  Perhaps turn off the power saving/sleep so it stays on.

After all these updates, then I'd check your browser if not IE, Adobe Flash, and Reader if you have them installed.

Brian

On 10/8/2018 5:57 PM, Tim . wrote:
Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer side of things than I used to be. 

I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankfully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can handle the updates. 

Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1"

Finally here's the question: 

What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long overdue updates. 

cheers
happily home from sketchy memphis
tim


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--------------0E5B773362E543C1BD4288C6-- --===============4527256081762895418== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4527256081762895418==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 05:01:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE752588F83 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 05:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-6.talktalk.net (smtp-out-6.talktalk.net [62.24.135.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4232588E02 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 04:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.outlook.com ([52.125.138.8]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 9orJgp66FpXFj9orJgxcyB; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:03:22 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1539079402; bh=Wsm5n8SU2mxZJ2fZX4jtU/hw5P3gWb31P+mU/QF8CaA=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=jVxQOEjSBCcp/iPHs7guXxGYacY1KLfcPMG285Bv7rB5/di1u6Evpg74ZvnUTIWsz /A6f1w4rksBRL4RcLFUI2lBSFfKa2nXeeohzdeU64Vu8fkH+o34/Sq0C42IA4IVOMn aWo85WxRBbe1rVUzfcxImMna8VP1ssMQH7TVFPxo= a=Esza2q1QjfpVAJjkBeLBFA==:17 a=UqCG9HQmAAAA:8 a=J7Zu_gyYkpoACJnzrbwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_EeEMxcBAAAA:8 a=8HfKgOBW7YbWkgs5:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=xKPl_Oh14GoA:10 a=syqr5EOPB93U0NEwqYpB:22 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:03:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Neil Sherry To: Shop Talk References: zFOPh71J38qg+2k2ibP2Obk72wggSspPPDw6B5uJdh8wYQzpZo+4JBlCj7KPMGF2Q4DokQaDMclsnA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0317451025433637756== boundary="----=_Part_11718_1415897637.1539079401245" ------=_Part_11718_1415897637.1539079401245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fine to update, should be no problems with updating Windows 7 in itself. Th= e one issue you may face is that there have been some updates without which= the update process hangs - I think Microsoft made some changes to improve = security from their end which require updates to the Windows Update compone= nts on the PC. You may be lucky and already have them, but otherwise the be= st thing is to apply btjose updates manually. Google 'windows 7 updates slo= w' - there are two or three updates to get manually from Microsoft Update C= atalog website. Neil Sent from Outlook for Android On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:41 AM +0100, "Tim ." wrote: Yes, this is not a=C2=A0shop talk=C2=A0type of post=C2=A0but some of Y'all = (sorry but I=C2=A0just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the comp= uter side of things=C2=A0than I used to be.=C2=A0 I have a laptop that is old, tired, and=C2=A0seriously beat on. Thankfully = the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the "Z". (I= have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway,= =C2=A0I've not done any windows updates in too long because I seriously=C2=A0don't think this computer can= handle the updates.=C2=A0 Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @2.20 = GH w 4Gigs of ram=C2=A0that shows "service pack 1" Finally here's the question:=C2=A0 What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long overdu= e updates.=C2=A0 cheers happily home from sketchy memphis tim ------=_Part_11718_1415897637.1539079401245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Fine to update, should be no problems with updating Windows 7 in itself. The one issue you may face is that there have been some updates without which the update process hangs - I think Microsoft made some changes to improve security from their end which require updates to the Windows Update components on the PC. You may be lucky and already have them, but otherwise the best thing is to apply btjose updates manually. Google 'windows 7 updates slow' - there are two or three updates to get manually from Microsoft Update Catalog website.
Neil

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On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:41 AM +0100, "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer side of things than I used to be. 

I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankfully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the "Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can handle the updates. 

Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1"

Finally here's the question: 

What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long overdue updates. 

cheers
happily home from sketchy memphis
tim
------=_Part_11718_1415897637.1539079401245-- --===============0317451025433637756== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============0317451025433637756==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 07:40:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAC42588E53 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D2D2588343 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 06:54:46 -0600 (MDT) References: To: "'Shop Talk'" type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:54:36 -0400 10/09/2018 08:54:51 AM, Serialize complete at 10/09/2018 08:54:51 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3562538689483156994== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0046EA9D85258321_= Tim asks about updating after a while. I find that it is normally not an issue. It may take MANY (read as ten or more) "Update Windows" to get all the updates. Windows does a good job of make sure the app will 'run' on the machine. How fast, is the only question. With that said, with a computer that beat, I would make a restore point first, then run them all, making a restore point after each one. I bet they will all run and everything will be fine. YMMV Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0046EA9D85258321_= Tim asks about updating after a while.

I find that it is normally not an issue.  It may take MANY (read as ten or more)  "Update Windows" to get all the updates.

Windows does a good job of make sure the app will 'run' on the machine.  How fast, is the only question.

With that said, with a computer that beat, I would make a restore point first, then run them all, making a restore point after each one.

I bet they will all run and everything will be fine.

YMMV


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." 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My main objective is to safely get this truck sold for maximum value for my mother-in-law. I'll absolutely make clear to whoever buys it that the tires are not for long-term use, that they're not the right size, and that part of their refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/oil/filter, coolant flush, a thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the carb) should be replacement of the tires with something more appropriate. I would make a terrible used car salesman, as I won't hide known flaws. If any of you are interested, let me know! It is practically rust-free, having lived its entire existence in the arid Southwest. Thanks very much for your thoughts. I really appreciate the sage (and often hard-fought) wisdom shared with me via this list! -Peter On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the > fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, > someone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be > told. > > jim > > > On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > > > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i > ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, > and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread > remaining). > > > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. > The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I > got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, > it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove > it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't > replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I > realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're > pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely > my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent > and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a > buyer to tow his purchase away... > > > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad > things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its > in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and > my self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > > > -Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000cdcc950577cbe8b3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All-

The passenger tires with which I&#= 39;m considering replacing the current truck tires are smaller in every dim= ension, though not by a great deal, so I don't think they'd rub. My= main objective is to safely get this truck sold for maximum value for my m= other-in-law.=C2=A0

I'll absolutely make clear= to whoever buys it that the tires are not for long-term use, that they'= ;re not the right size, and that part of their refurbishment of the truck (= besides lube/oil/filter, coolant flush, a thorough brake check and a good c= leaning of the carb) should be replacement of the tires with something more= appropriate. I would make a terrible used car salesman, as I won't hid= e known flaws.

If any of you are interested, let m= e know! It is practically rust-free, having lived its entire existence in t= he arid Southwest.=C2=A0

Thanks very much for your= thoughts.=C2=A0=C2=A0I really appreciate the sage (and often hard-fought) = wisdom shared with me via this list!

-Peter=C2=A0<= br>


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
The only downside I can think of is that the new tire= s might hit the fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering w= heel. Still, someone buying this should expect issues like this and just ne= eds to be told.

jim

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com> wrote: >
> In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law,= i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmoun= ted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread rema= ining).
>
> He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while.= The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R1= 5. I got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear = flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I d= rove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. >
> I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I could= n't replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted ti= res. I realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, b= ut they're pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a h= auler. More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that = having four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position t= han requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away...
>
> Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what B= ad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck?
>
> Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its= in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children= and my self-employment keeping me busy enough.
>
> Thanks for all your sage wisdom!
>
> -Peter
> _______________________________________________
>
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I just imaged a workstation this morning with Windows 7 En= terprise - last patches were applied in 2012. It took several hours (50Mbit= internet) and about 3 reboots before it was up-to-date.=C2=A0

-Peter

On= Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:52 AM <eric@= megageek.com> wrote:
Tim asks about updating after a while.

I find that it is normally not an = issue. =C2=A0It may take MANY (read as ten or more) =C2=A0"Update Windows&quo= t; to get all the updates.

Windows does a good job of make su= re the app will 'run' on the machine.=C2=A0 How fast, is the only ques= tion.

With that said, with a computer th= at beat, I would make a restore point first, then run them all, making a resto= re point after each one.

I bet they will all run and everyt= hing will be fine.

YMMV


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--00000000000027a09c0577cc97a1-- --===============8379063124487141203== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8379063124487141203==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 11:15:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87F42588B3D for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m.mx.webworldinc.com (m.mx.webworldinc.com [184.105.96.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C982587A6C for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPEnvy (c-68-49-42-246.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.49.42.246]) by m.mx.webworldinc.com with SMTP (version=TLS\Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:49:21 -0700 From: "Al Fuller" To: "'Shop-Talk List'" References: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:49:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQK7Oo2S98PmtxAxc5t0hXRkNhFn6wJ8FtNjAog3tGajITeSIA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7218813710643430132== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08B2_01D45FC6.1CE0B9C0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08B2_01D45FC6.1CE0B9C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter =E2=80=93 any pictures? Price? =20 Al Fuller =20 '65 BJ-8 '85 Rx-7 =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Peter Murray Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:43 AM To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question =20 All- =20 The passenger tires with which I'm considering replacing the current = truck tires are smaller in every dimension, though not by a great deal, = so I don't think they'd rub. My main objective is to safely get this = truck sold for maximum value for my mother-in-law.=20 =20 I'll absolutely make clear to whoever buys it that the tires are not for = long-term use, that they're not the right size, and that part of their = refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/oil/filter, coolant flush, a = thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the carb) should be = replacement of the tires with something more appropriate. I would make a = terrible used car salesman, as I won't hide known flaws. =20 If any of you are interested, let me know! It is practically rust-free, = having lived its entire existence in the arid Southwest.=20 =20 Thanks very much for your thoughts. I really appreciate the sage (and = often hard-fought) wisdom shared with me via this list! =20 -Peter=20 =20 =20 On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray =20 > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, = i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and = unmounted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% = tread remaining). >=20 > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. = The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. = I got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear = flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. = I drove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked = fine. >=20 > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't = replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. = I realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but = they're pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. = More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that = having four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating = position than requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away... >=20 > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what = Bad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? >=20 > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its = in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children = and my self-employment keeping me busy enough. >=20 > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! >=20 > -Peter > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_08B2_01D45FC6.1CE0B9C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter =E2=80=93 any pictures?=C2=A0 Price?

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 

From:<= /b> = Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Peter Murray
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:43 = AM
To: Shop-Talk List = <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire = size/capability question

 

All-

 

The passenger tires with which I'm considering = replacing the current truck tires are smaller in every dimension, though = not by a great deal, so I don't think they'd rub. My main objective is = to safely get this truck sold for maximum value for my = mother-in-law. 

 

I'll absolutely make clear to whoever buys it that the = tires are not for long-term use, that they're not the right size, and = that part of their refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/oil/filter, = coolant flush, a thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the carb) = should be replacement of the tires with something more appropriate. I = would make a terrible used car salesman, as I won't hide known = flaws.

 

If any of you are interested, let me know! It is = practically rust-free, having lived its entire existence in the arid = Southwest. 

 

Thanks very much for your thoughts.  I = really appreciate the sage (and often hard-fought) wisdom shared with me = via this list!

 

-Peter 

 

 

On = Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> = wrote:

The only downside I can think of is that = the new tires might hit the fenders, either immediately or while turning = the steering wheel. Still, someone buying this should expect issues like = this and just needs to be told.

jim

> On Oct 8, 2018, = at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> = In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i = ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, = and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread = remaining).
>
> He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that = has been sitting for a while. The tires are pretty beat and one will not = hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got it running while I was out there = last week, but with the one rear flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. = Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so the = clutch, first and reverse all worked fine.
>
> I realize = they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't replace the = tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realize = they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're = pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More = likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having = four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than = requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away...
>
> Aside = from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad = things could potentially come from putting these tires on the = truck?
>
> Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it = not 2000 miles away (its in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) = and my 3 young children and my self-employment keeping me busy = enough.
>
> Thanks for all your sage wisdom!
> =
> -Peter
> = _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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New" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:59:25 -0400 References: please include it with any abuse report jnew@hazelden.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I see now that I mixed up the two sets of tires. So the second set would be about 3/4" narrower and 2" smaller in diameter than what's on the truck now. John P. New London, Ontario, Canada On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:42:34 AM EDT Peter Murray wrote: > All- > > The passenger tires with which I'm considering replacing the current truck > tires are smaller in every dimension, though not by a great deal, so I > don't think they'd rub. My main objective is to safely get this truck sold > for maximum value for my mother-in-law. > > I'll absolutely make clear to whoever buys it that the tires are not for > long-term use, that they're not the right size, and that part of their > refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/oil/filter, coolant flush, a > thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the carb) should be replacement > of the tires with something more appropriate. I would make a terrible used > car salesman, as I won't hide known flaws. > > If any of you are interested, let me know! It is practically rust-free, > having lived its entire existence in the arid Southwest. > > Thanks very much for your thoughts. I really appreciate the sage (and > often hard-fought) wisdom shared with me via this list! > > -Peter > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > > > The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the > > fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, > > someone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be > > told. > > > > jim > > > > > On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > > > > > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i > > ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, > > and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread > > remaining). > > > > > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. > > The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I > > got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, > > it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove > > it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > > > > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't > > replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I > > realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're > > pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely > > my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent > > and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a > > buyer to tow his purchase away... > > > > > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad > > things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > > > > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its > > in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and > > my self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > > > > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > > > > > -Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 17:19:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625592586375 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 17:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2nam02lp0087.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2361E2588D4A for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 13:33:21 -0600 (MDT) s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=9tlcB9ovYUa32w+mkwk/8HFSETbkVp/pJnqhy2YnsS0=; b=NmVX9HSLJLUTTy93LpKCIOSEnXNwydzNVz3SbB7h8xkrh12BKhk0pEM38vqGwW4x+2N6gDLYY/a/eZShUqlPiUWiBScZndrLonvyAVO545XATjgEmAECisju4GYOifC1p+9Hedr9EhgYnIZEap0CoKdx2sS1Gkc7H8/aiycUiVu9B1HpeKxw2yZGfKOggxOWY0ImlPiAPP5uffZriRzO3gcyFbD1VyF2BU+NW+SXRDrV7P8zbLSI1wmg2kV7JnA4SkNOZAPrwxOjZqv4OsaUTXgsKXZMYKoIXix32o8+eDXgLZn+L/6oEgKF+WtIGOVTVz3yejkCRWvOVGG13Pq5hg== Received: from BL2NAM02FT048.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.76.57) by BL2NAM02HT127.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.77.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.1228.17; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:20 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.76.56) by BL2NAM02FT048.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.76.109) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.1228.17 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:19 +0000 Received: from CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5cec:94d2:4d7c:1028]) by CY4PR13MB1302.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5cec:94d2:4d7c:1028%10]) with mapi id 15.20.1228.020; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:33:20 +0000 From: "Tim ." 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So far the updates have not had any ill effect. As for my virus scanner, it is always kept up to date. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 7:57 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post but some of Y'all (sorry but I ju= st got back from bloody Memphis) are better on the computer side of things = than I used to be. I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankfully the p= int that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the "Z". (I have= to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny this..... NOT) Anyway, I've n= ot done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think thi= s computer can handle the updates. Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @2.20 = GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1" Finally here's the question: What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for these long overdu= e updates. cheers happily home from sketchy memphis tim --_000_CY4PR13MB13022118B8BD30D25DDA1181B4E70CY4PR13MB1302namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank= s for the replies. So far the updates have not had any ill effect.&n= bsp;


As for my virus scanner, it is al= ways kept up to date. 





From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outl= ook.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 7:57 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES
 
Yes, this is not a shop talk type of post = but some of Y'all (sorry but I just got back from bloody Memphis) are = better on the computer side of things than I used to be. 

I have a laptop that is old, tired, and seriously beat on. Thankf= ully the pint that I spilled on it some many years ago only took out the &q= uot;Z". (I have to copy and paste one from a word doc..funny thi= s..... NOT) Anyway, I've not done any windows updates in too long because I seriously don't think this computer can= handle the updates. 

Win7 home premium currently being run on a Toshiba C655, Pentium CPU @= 2.20 GH w 4Gigs of ram that shows "service pack 1"

Finally here's the question: 

What can I expect if I just click the "update" button for th= ese long overdue updates. 

cheers
happily home from sketchy memphis
tim
--_000_CY4PR13MB13022118B8BD30D25DDA1181B4E70CY4PR13MB1302namp_-- --===============9179219907729616443== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============9179219907729616443==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 21:08:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D530125890CE for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 21:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lj1-f173.google.com (mail-lj1-f173.google.com [209.85.208.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE052588AB8 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 18:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 63-v6so3223422ljs.4 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:10:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8qj5WlZsKPcLj2cAFUc1+SO+2g0QdrJYXRE7LHlgMLY=; b=Eb9VBwP0ty0/fIufm1wgufn1Y0npkTNMr0itDb5mrwuWrTws6IjU3uuBfu0C5PcGNF wONpaLiPTXalLPrVVYx0X/5dnc7fDeTCG+zCxdZNFoqOVrW44X2MOVd6l3jwwXFP7V/i dJJ6loPcBpiAAi01OScjdT5d9L0gaUC9Qjoo1bw95ZYHZC0syzLj8FlooaL7Iw5XX2kJ 6GkmlfbkvyZ7jgsGJUSSsvBik9WEyj9e7WPHuOQfQRFbSea9jexr1Hl2lDlX1qrRDEFo mZxSJP2jUTxERxs2kDEVYtQBptHCCPtxfpenuAeXTNd9TOMmtsPCc/QJvlr+5zNdy3bt gCxg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8qj5WlZsKPcLj2cAFUc1+SO+2g0QdrJYXRE7LHlgMLY=; b=HGu25qgC+0q6REZih7fBQKF/nSf5lmf4GHLyfhlAqsFVUeRgPVjIdcRi/27A/xEdv+ Li+aXu0Z1iPlPzgchsIkPixzpWuHWJMyoxZ3fVWJBrLw0xnsUFvvZSqVUS+8TnYtEa+p hE3nbk3X2gsKtNf4YZsb7QpkRxFLN+rAJDh9B2+3IwQ5qZfFiebuSrA/NfSVtgDJK+7m uBqJDHVuH6+oXIy6QLkrcVuVbGLr7gqQ3roW75XxJoWD4sY6PgNZDvj9Qd61fRIrp6l+ lJB9bnT5B4BTc77s9nxUo99Q+4QDBDhIJ3D1fxrB5/gl2JmsLUvnhCCU2GiGG+T5EmZs SDvw== Cx/k7WG7bNYBgQ8y6mpl7hrP4qFwSVfg1DkgPDOnMA== e6-v6mr16620960ljl.166.1539130223252; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <08b101d45fe7$a3efe8c0$ebcfba40$@bighealey.org> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 20:10:08 -0400 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5983867960150442708== --000000000000385ad30577d4aef4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is shop-talk, not pickup-sales-talk, but pictures are here and I'm trying to get $4000 for it. Happy to answer any questions about it. Email me directly if you'd like more information or to discuss further. Thanks again for the suggestions and items to think about! -Peter On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Al Fuller wrote: > Peter =E2=80=93 any pictures? Price? > > > > Al Fuller > > > > '65 BJ-8 > > '85 Rx-7 > > > > *From:* Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of > *Peter Murray > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:43 AM > *To:* Shop-Talk List > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question > > > > All- > > > > The passenger tires with which I'm considering replacing the current truc= k > tires are smaller in every dimension, though not by a great deal, so I > don't think they'd rub. My main objective is to safely get this truck sol= d > for maximum value for my mother-in-law. > > > > I'll absolutely make clear to whoever buys it that the tires are not for > long-term use, that they're not the right size, and that part of their > refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/oil/filter, coolant flush, a > thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the carb) should be replaceme= nt > of the tires with something more appropriate. I would make a terrible use= d > car salesman, as I won't hide known flaws. > > > > If any of you are interested, let me know! It is practically rust-free, > having lived its entire existence in the arid Southwest. > > > > Thanks very much for your thoughts. I really appreciate the sage (and > often hard-fought) wisdom shared with me via this list! > > > > -Peter > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin > wrote: > > The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the > fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, > someone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be > told. > > jim > > > On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray wrote= : > > > > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, = i > ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, > and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread > remaining). > > > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. > The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. = I > got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear fla= t, > it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove > it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't > replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I > realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they'r= e > pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likel= y > my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decen= t > and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a > buyer to tow his purchase away... > > > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Ba= d > things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its > in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children an= d > my self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > > > -Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000385ad30577d4aef4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter =E2=80=93 any pictures?=C2=A0 Price?=

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Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:43 AM
T= o: Shop-Talk List <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-= talk] Tire size/capability question

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The passenger tires with which I'm considering replac= ing the current truck tires are smaller in every dimension, though not by a= great deal, so I don't think they'd rub. My main objective is to s= afely get this truck sold for maximum value for my mother-in-law.=C2=A0<= /u>

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I'll absolutely make clear to whoever bu= ys it that the tires are not for long-term use, that they're not the ri= ght size, and that part of their refurbishment of the truck (besides lube/o= il/filter, coolant flush, a thorough brake check and a good cleaning of the= carb) should be replacement of the tires with something more appropriate. = I would make a terrible used car salesman, as I won't hide known flaws.=

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If any of you are interested, let me kno= w! It is practically rust-free, having lived its entire existence in the ar= id Southwest.=C2=A0

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Thanks very much for = your thoughts.=C2=A0=C2=A0I really appreciate the sage (and often hard-foug= ht) wisdom shared with me via this list!

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= -Peter=C2=A0

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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM Jim Franklin= <jamesf@gro= upwbench.org> wrote:

The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the= fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, so= meone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be told.=

jim

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.co= m> wrote:
>
> In cleaning out the garage/shop of my rec= ently-deceased father-in-law, i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. = They're bagged and unmounted, and appear to be in similar and reasonabl= e shape (about 50% tread remaining).
>
> He also had a 1969 Fo= rd F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. The tires are pretty beat= and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I got it running while = I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, it was tough to eval= uate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove it about 100 feet, so= the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine.
>
> I realize = they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't replace= the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I realize = they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're = pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More lik= ely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four dec= ent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a= buyer to tow his purchase away...
>
> Aside from aesthetics a= nd (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad things could potentially = come from putting these tires on the truck?
>
> Yes, i would p= robably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its in western Colorad= o, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and my self-employ= ment keeping me busy enough.
>
> Thanks for all your sage wisd= om!
>
> -Peter
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--000000000000385ad30577d4aef4-- --===============5983867960150442708== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============5983867960150442708==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 07:42:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE6B258860C for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailback1.g2host.com [209.98.94.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79C825883F8 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [198.203.175.175] (account arvidj@visi.com) by visi.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 6.2.6) with HTTP id 10649049 for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:07:58 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:07:58 -0500 References: <97jnj9pji031sg7dcmchpkwk.1538961551602@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6762968368099350798== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the suggestions.

A little research on my part may have helped. It seem like the diameter of the garden hose "package" when you buy it nicely coiled up in the store is around 15 inches. I am assuming that I have neither the skills nor the patience to to re-coil it as neatly as the manufacturer did. I therefore am assuming the solution will need to have at least a 15 inch inside diameter.

5 gallon buckets are about 12 inches, but I will give it a try this weekend based on the price and availability of 5 gallon buckets though I am not optimistic [see previous skill and patience disclaimer].

Sonotube may also work. Home Depot has 16 inch ... actually Quik-Tube from Quickrete ... for $15 that may work. The SawsAll will make the 48 inch long tube into four 12 inch tubes and I'd have to fabricate a bottom for each but some 1/4 hardboard and construction adhesive may resolve that challenge.

Plastic garbage cans seem to fit the dimension requirements. Menard's has Rubbermaid Heavy Duty 32 gallon for $10 after rebate ... complete with an impressive Menard's logo on them!!!. The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose. The 6 buckets and a SawsAll session to cut them down to a reasonable size solution seems a little wasteful. However, If the 5 gallon buckets don't work out and the Quik-Tube looks like to much work then buying a few buckets, calling it done and moving on to something I really do want to work on may be the best solution.

Thanks again for the suggestions and I'll let you know what works out,
Arvid
--===============6762968368099350798== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6762968368099350798==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 09:18:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B6825883D1 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3092588196 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:10:09 -0600 (MDT) References: <97jnj9pji031sg7dcmchpkwk.1538961551602@email.android.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:10:05 -0400 10/10/2018 10:10:14 AM, Serialize complete at 10/10/2018 10:10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7808842833697421171== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004DD2C185258322_= Arvid writes... >The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose. I think I have the solution. Its hard to explain, so I posted a quick hand drawn sketch (I don't have alot of time right now, but feel free to ask any clarification questions.) To store multiple hoses, so you can access any one without problem, get a large rubber garbage can. Cut it into about 9" tall pieces (check size for your hoses) Then, remove a small band around the top of each. Add a bottom to the middle and top sections. Now you can put a hose in each one, and they should 'nest' when you stack them See the image here... https://tinyurl.com/hosebin Let me know what you think. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004DD2C185258322_= Arvid writes...
>The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose.


I think I have the solution.  Its hard to explain, so I posted a quick hand drawn sketch  (I don't have alot of time right now, but feel free to ask any clarification questions.)

To store multiple hoses, so you can access any one without problem, get a large rubber garbage can.
Cut it into about 9" tall pieces (check size for your hoses)
Then, remove a small band around the top of each.
Add a bottom to the middle and top sections.
Now you can put a hose in each one, and they should 'nest' when you stack them

See the image here...
https://tinyurl.com/hosebin

Let me know what you think.



Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004DD2C185258322_=-- --===============7808842833697421171== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7808842833697421171==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 10:24:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B7D2588229 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942362586286 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:33:28 -0600 (MDT) bh=3+7LjJHvwyzHT4lkmiN6tiVgPR2QCyZeC1srzkcj+Qc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=RNeDPTOHBdNXmJog7YK7eqOiZEYTnejix0bc98S5REBm99uUTE7279p8OyRnjhq6Y ZfTax2TzWsxSOF4QqISGCUKOTfIQo2JnCI89y/ShSHFohMvnfHToFhIBz6ad2U0xUU Nv19tbBJjyuz8YMRbQQ0Z1TxFrWb+laSD2jnMKDPRo/0vUKwA32iY/TIBbaGTBpQuE wtyadOXDJ5CYA6rOm0UfO+61NOrI2PYXLKXg1jCrBeukyIybQcR+40V+fVmVH0hLMf 5gpDq9bCV62f54P8T+G9SVJxKS20hn3eySzDmbTNCxeHuFQdku8hosS6vft048tznV 9qKWGuU3aHZlA== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=QMEKkF2YAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=8qlTgGkU21B6g6hte70A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=vGO8iLchUIgA:10 a=Gfr65rxmC0T0IpF8jqsA:9 a=6IBJvac5dg6EisgP:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=4plUlNce3Gdv3FjnGo9M:22 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:56716] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 82/14-08159-7CB1EBB5; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:33:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:31:45 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com,Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References: <97jnj9pji031sg7dcmchpkwk.1538961551602@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1014954983284870985== boundary="=====================_40451854==.ALT" --=====================_40451854==.ALT Do a google search for "plastic beverage tub." This might be easier than cutting down garbage pails. They come in a variety of styles and prices. Some of them look like they would work and don't cost too much. -Steve At 10:10 AM 10/10/2018, eric@megageek.com wrote: >Arvid writes... > >The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would > allow random access to any individual hose. > > >I think I have the solution. Its hard to explain, so I posted a >quick hand drawn sketch (I don't have alot of time right now, but >feel free to ask any clarification questions.) > >To store multiple hoses, so you can access any one without problem, >get a large rubber garbage can. >Cut it into about 9" tall pieces (check size for your hoses) >Then, remove a small band around the top of each. >Add a bottom to the middle and top sections. >Now you can put a hose in each one, and they should 'nest' when you >stack them > >See the image here... >https://tinyurl.com/hosebin > >Let me know what you think. > > > >Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. >Tech Viper >"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a >rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your >territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/strovato@optonline.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_40451854==.ALT Do a google search for "plastic beverage tub."  This might be easier than cutting down garbage pails.  They come in a variety of styles and prices.  Some of them look like they would work and don't cost too much. 

-Steve

At 10:10 AM 10/10/2018, eric@megageek.com wrote:
Arvid writes...
>The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose.


I think I have the solution.  Its hard to explain, so I posted a quick hand drawn sketch  (I don't have alot of time right now, but feel free to ask any clarification questions.)

To store multiple hoses, so you can access any one without problem, get a large rubber garbage can.
Cut it into about 9" tall pieces (check size for your hoses)
Then, remove a small band around the top of each.
Add a bottom to the middle and top sections.
Now you can put a hose in each one, and they should 'nest' when you stack them

See the image here...
https://tinyurl.com/hosebin

Let me know what you think.



Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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--=====================_40451854==.ALT-- --===============1014954983284870985== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1014954983284870985==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 10 11:32:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5FD258806A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406B025882C7 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:56:38 -0600 (MDT) bh=A0acSQNyg1+XLMlGdRl9MYGvEjqAq6a/Iq+8S6oEj0Y=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=OhP9ZPeBTji8U6xbTpW7yJ9oSmEHrOKtE/DB3oN3GxXd1OzgELZ+WmJUKUDtXmrq8 ZLazfyFdwZp/qJubwNdRI3loIXFX6iT/V1B4N2Pu1nZhnx2gwHqbloc5PiKuv/q93T v0fAmCz9USh3rIB8YeuSKKBQKEdGNeZVR9QUaLBzBPZcOJ+8QQCV7KzjhsQsuez0XY nFdy1mipwEEiHqH3wWf6plfOayKHtIO6qTJ1HGk//U3OnfCL8qLJVfhpHhTRhaUMEY td3rWQlnDbqp3Vs993T6ZiHI3uKxejAy+KN3d/psftQ0x8vsK66MoOU5PUg9fW1m9b fjzgvaWREFjnA== Authentication-Results: mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:117 a=KpqO7JBECsI3752FCsy7ZQ==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=j7RA21gfJ_PMPrvX2VMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xupg4knwUDYA:10 a=2NhyABSQLM7kEOaaOqAA:9 a=j59JIkcFp1cMjP_n:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 Received: from [68.194.176.58] ([68.194.176.58:58072] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 4B/1D-22391-B212EBB5; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:56:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:56:24 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storing garden hoses Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1290412699957497713== boundary="=====================_41832182==.ALT" --=====================_41832182==.ALT Do a google search for "plastic beverage tub." This might be easier than cutting down garbage pails. They come in a variety of styles and prices. Some of them look like they would work and don't cost too much. -Steve At 10:10 AM 10/10/2018, eric@megageek.com wrote: >Arvid writes... > >The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would > allow random access to any individual hose. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --=====================_41832182==.ALT Do a google search for "plastic beverage tub."  This might be easier than cutting down garbage pails.  They come in a variety of styles and prices.  Some of them look like they would work and don't cost too much. 

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At 10:10 AM 10/10/2018, eric@megageek.com wrote:
Arvid writes...
>The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose.

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On 10/10/2018 6:07 AM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions. > > A little research on my part may have helped. It seem like the > diameter of the garden hose "package" when you buy it nicely coiled up > in the store is around 15 inches. I am assuming that I have neither > the skills nor the patience to to re-coil it as neatly as the > manufacturer did. I therefore am assuming the solution will need to > have at least a 15 inch inside diameter. > > 5 gallon buckets are about 12 inches, but I will give it a try this > weekend based on the price and availability of 5 gallon buckets though > I am not optimistic [see previous skill and patience disclaimer]. > > Sonotube may also work. Home Depot has 16 inch ... actually Quik-Tube > from Quickrete ... for $15 that may work. The SawsAll will make the 48 > inch long tube into four 12 inch tubes and I'd have to fabricate a > bottom for each but some 1/4 hardboard and construction adhesive may > resolve that challenge. > > Plastic garbage cans seem to fit the dimension requirements. Menard's > has Rubbermaid Heavy Duty 32 gallon for $10 after rebate ... complete > with an impressive Menard's logo on them!!!. The challenge there is > how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any > individual hose. The 6 buckets and a SawsAll session to cut them down > to a reasonable size solution seems a little wasteful. However, If the > 5 gallon buckets don't work out and the Quik-Tube looks like to much > work then buying a few buckets, calling it done and moving on to > something I really do want to work on may be the best solution. > > Thanks again for the suggestions and I'll let you know what works out, > Arvid > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------E5F5F20F35187C1FB0275C31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do you have exposed joists in the garage?  If so, just attach a 2' long 2x4 and hang the coiled hoses.  You should be able to get 2 per side.  Take a segment of 12 or 14 gauge electrical wire and use it as an oversized twist tie to keep the hose together.  If you put the 2x4 across the top of the joist, it should leave plenty of headroom.

On 10/10/2018 6:07 AM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions.

A little research on my part may have helped. It seem like the diameter of the garden hose "package" when you buy it nicely coiled up in the store is around 15 inches. I am assuming that I have neither the skills nor the patience to to re-coil it as neatly as the manufacturer did. I therefore am assuming the solution will need to have at least a 15 inch inside diameter.

5 gallon buckets are about 12 inches, but I will give it a try this weekend based on the price and availability of 5 gallon buckets though I am not optimistic [see previous skill and patience disclaimer].

Sonotube may also work. Home Depot has 16 inch ... actually Quik-Tube from Quickrete ... for $15 that may work. The SawsAll will make the 48 inch long tube into four 12 inch tubes and I'd have to fabricate a bottom for each but some 1/4 hardboard and construction adhesive may resolve that challenge.

Plastic garbage cans seem to fit the dimension requirements. Menard's has Rubbermaid Heavy Duty 32 gallon for $10 after rebate ... complete with an impressive Menard's logo on them!!!. The challenge there is how to store 6 hoses in a way that would allow random access to any individual hose. The 6 buckets and a SawsAll session to cut them down to a reasonable size solution seems a little wasteful. However, If the 5 gallon buckets don't work out and the Quik-Tube looks like to much work then buying a few buckets, calling it done and moving on to something I really do want to work on may be the best solution.

Thanks again for the suggestions and I'll let you know what works out,
Arvid


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= --Apple-Mail-0B4F1775-BB90-4D9B-B5A4-D5FBCBE34F38-- --===============3221617975474666986== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3221617975474666986==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 12 10:43:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996882588BFA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com (pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com [17.143.181.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79212588B9B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:38:46 -0600 (MDT) pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PGH00400SRC4C00@pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:38:31 +0000 (GMT) t=1539358711; bh=5mj5l/g1Z8GGYzXKTEjAc4lH+OUwKSlTV9DxURUd95A=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=s98fyu9WIHDfTCowoY00RkZrTQ8Uiu9rffeKI85oBi8DNLDDtHY20WCblLaH1eqiW BiSP0Zm7sDnGEWrdlRQL6WbVKE0uf+RnUtpG9XhOQnEOhfEcADSyPw2M6nxdhyQTNA ljMfjTvext3eKOqc+ACTXjlS2fXpYxq5LwcXsuk81V+pu+gCCZ7mpWZoj1vPxfBwzb PDdOgpgc+MpJ82bASB82/RuyxjauQmtW1tJJWibLdnxQ4EY1P7J1D16BWa+IDvJVWi 6jC3hz0ADthSIFwKnpV+Y8TE6LTF+jcuXQPVPENWaHTgoNmMPyUqR6OOHA101p5T1t LgOS4CT4VboKw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PGH00EOSSS5K940@pv33p04im-asmtp001.me.com>; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:38:31 +0000 (GMT) malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=997 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810120152 definitions=2018-10-12_12:,, signatures=0 From: Philip Nase Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:38:28 -0400 References: To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] anyone repair cell phones Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6481781562353261590== boundary=Apple-Mail-25CC5259-0CEA-4658-8B22-553A85EF7D28 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-25CC5259-0CEA-4658-8B22-553A85EF7D28 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=3DiPhone+6s+Speaker+ Phil Nase Applebachsville, PA > On Oct 12, 2018, at 10:12 AM, john niolon wrote: >=20 > I have an IPhone 6s I=E2=80=99m trying to replace ear piece speaker and ha= ving trouble... anyone ?? > =20 > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pnase@= me.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-25CC5259-0CEA-4658-8B22-553A85EF7D28 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --Apple-Mail-25CC5259-0CEA-4658-8B22-553A85EF7D28-- --===============6481781562353261590== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============6481781562353261590==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 05:07:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA7125890FE for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2018 05:07:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f51.google.com (mail-ot1-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460202588D57 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f51.google.com with SMTP id i12-v6so197715otl.1 for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 20:43:47 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6LlfGKYaP3QtY6X5f7jqTjubEofDSlPRJESC1k10gAg=; b=mgKgvUZSqhlS7z8iAkr9ZUhuta3GWGbL2/yokKmxauqNjdLzIybd3MnzPMdjjzjbQ3 LIe0Sk3w1Y6nsWNFpBLggf9c2OFt/KMQ5xOz2TuvnwrQiXTkfdr2XSWRu+9YP+eTTdYB gHgFJYyXHi7Esp7T6SE0+RJf74uaVi5HhNjcCaiIsTDwJJGUSWQJhmeCYladb1YcFWPw 1CQQ9Lo0etKIIU295yRIyVl/gkmP5ymLDFGtvWxGq/Xsvmx9eA87Wxf/s3xa/zeYEDCG SZMVf4X2Za6x6qQif7B1vcwp4on/ERbON+dLzYaP+FWRA3IE+L1fsM5Zblg6L5gfC7c8 FAMw== yt2OL24qprRneOXU+4USHQ7xd5cW5Aqj/dGNX8g= h1-v6mr14726974ote.37.1539056616104; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 20:43:36 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Miq Millman Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:43:22 -0700 To: Jim Franklin Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6611694265311054751== --000000000000e4ae480577c38ac4 --000000000000e4ae450577c38ac3 you're math is backwards Jim. new tires are smaller than the original flat tires, not likely to hit the fenders... [image: image.png] (sent this to Peter privately originally, but saw a couple messages with the wrong info, so sending this out) -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:37 PM Jim Franklin wrote: > The only downside I can think of is that the new tires might hit the > fenders, either immediately or while turning the steering wheel. Still, > someone buying this should expect issues like this and just needs to be > told. > > jim > > > On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > > > In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law, i > ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmounted, > and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread > remaining). > > > > He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while. > The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R15. I > got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear flat, > it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I drove > it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. > > > > I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I couldn't > replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted tires. I > realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, but they're > pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a hauler. More likely > my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that having four decent > and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position than requiring a > buyer to tow his purchase away... > > > > Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what Bad > things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck? > > > > Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its > in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children and > my self-employment keeping me busy enough. > > > > Thanks for all your sage wisdom! > > > > -Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com > > > --000000000000e4ae450577c38ac3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you're math is backwards Jim.=C2=A0 n= ew tires are smaller than the original flat tires, not likely to hit the fe= nders...
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(sent this to Peter priva= tely originally, but saw a couple messages with the wrong info, so sending = this out)

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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:37 PM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
The only downside I can think of is t= hat the new tires might hit the fenders, either immediately or while turnin= g the steering wheel. Still, someone buying this should expect issues like = this and just needs to be told.

jim

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Peter Murray <peterwmurray@gmail.com> wrote: >
> In cleaning out the garage/shop of my recently-deceased father-in-law,= i ran across two pairs of P215/70/R15 tires. They're bagged and unmoun= ted, and appear to be in similar and reasonable shape (about 50% tread rema= ining).
>
> He also had a 1969 Ford F100 pickup that has been sitting for a while.= The tires are pretty beat and one will not hold air. They're 235/75/R1= 5. I got it running while I was out there last week, but with the one rear = flat, it was tough to evaluate it much. Electrically it appeared solid. I d= rove it about 100 feet, so the clutch, first and reverse all worked fine. >
> I realize they're not quite the same size, but I wonder if I could= n't replace the tires currently on the truck with the four unmounted ti= res. I realize they're slightly different in width and circumference, b= ut they're pretty doggone close. This isn't going to be used as a h= auler. More likely my mother-in-law will sell it (sigh), and I figure that = having four decent and inflated tires gives a better negotiating position t= han requiring a buyer to tow his purchase away...
>
> Aside from aesthetics and (slightly) incorrect speedo/odometer, what B= ad things could potentially come from putting these tires on the truck?
>
> Yes, i would probably try to keep it, were it not 2000 miles away (its= in western Colorado, I'm in northern Virginia) and my 3 young children= and my self-employment keeping me busy enough.
>
> Thanks for all your sage wisdom!
>
> -Peter
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ESMTP id 840182588E6E for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2018 05:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908702588E81 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 01:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.21.128.37] [162.251.232.87] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.5.6.101) id 28ca0009278b77aa; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 01:40:11 -0600 To: Brian Kemp , "Tim ." , Shop Talk References: From: Michael Porter Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 01:40:07 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/8/2018 10:53 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > I have a Win 7 laptop that had not been used in over a year, so had a = > similar issue. > > My first updates would be your anti-virus. > > I then ran Windows Update at least 10 times to get it caught up. It = > would do some updates then need a restart.=A0 It then found another = > batch and needed another restart.... > > I'd just plug it in and start running updates.=A0 Check every once in a = > while.=A0 Perhaps turn off the power saving/sleep so it stays on. > > After all these updates, then I'd check your browser if not IE, Adobe = > Flash, and Reader if you have them installed. It should be noted that, depending upon the length of time the laptop = has been sitting, there was a period when M$oft was sending out some = updates that amounted to malware.=A0 There were a series of updates that = installed so-called "compatibility" fixes.=A0 These were designed to set = up the computer for an automatic update to Win10, which M$oft did some = time later.=A0 There was quite a furor over it, and M$oft backed down... = but, they're still sending out "compatibility" monitors and fixes, most = recently, about three months ago.=A0 M$oft says these are to ensure your = version works with later versions, but, frankly, having done this once, = they might be planning to do it again.=A0 Unfortunately, if you like or = need the version you have, or need some backward emulation to XP for = some of your software, it means going through the individual updates and = finding the descriptions for each update, looking for those described as = monitoring or upgrading compatibility or seem to be prepping the = computer for Win10, and then delisting and hiding those.=A0 Pretty = time-consuming process after a long time without installing updates. Before you begin updating, you might want to do a quick browse for the = issue, and see if there are still some third-party patches available to = prevent the installation of the critical files.=A0 I installed this one: https://www.grc.com/never10.htm I didn't need or want Win10 because I don't have any devices with touch = screens, didn't like the desktop, and after some considerable work = getting to that point, have a very stable Win7 installation (meaning, I = can live with one BSOD every 12-18 months or so). And spend a little time working that "z" key.=A0 It might start working = again if the problem is mechanical, rather than electrical. Otherwise, = there are lots of scavenged used keyboards available from the usual = suspects. My son-in-law had an ancient laptop that had a broken charger = receptacle, and after I fixed that, I discovered that the memory was = fried.=A0 Fixed the memory, and broke the password to get into it, and = discovered that half the keyboard was inoperative. I pretty much hate = eBay, because they've cost me so much money in cars on which they = wouldn't honor their buyback guarantee, but, you can find keyboards = there for almost anything for $10-20. Cheers. -- = Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance= .... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 13 05:45:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C20258929C for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2018 05:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906BC2588D4F; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 13:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [25.120.20.118] ([172.56.20.153]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id 9y0vgpHZDwPpF9y13gyYsU; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:50:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:49:50 -0500 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Peter Murray , Shop-Talk List From: Randall AYM5Ie9nP+oGkkH7h5wmN77fHZGkGTWk4YX9VjguJZ9ytOLmaowJeDcYlGpoTuruKrrT7BUsE2DIqa4FMqCEwYK4vCIccvpM5/8av6WwVYl1l3ZVxgaFEAyE wYfZnpcBfodcmTDDawxutg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire size/capability question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8390468078707221832== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------I8DNVZR35N48JGK93CDZPSZOM516FM charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You might consider putting something on the bill of sale stating the tires = may not be safe, just so you have a paper trail in case something goes wron= g=2E Otherwise, I think you'll have no trouble at all=2E Speedo likely reads hi= gh anyway :) -- Randall ------I8DNVZR35N48JGK93CDZPSZOM516FM charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You might consider putting something on the bill of sale stating the tires = may not be safe, just so you have a paper trail in case something goes wron= g=2E

Otherwise, I think you'll have no trouble at all=2E Speedo like= ly reads high anyway :)
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 14:06:46 +0000 Received: from 45-24-125-62.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net (EHLO Johnsdesktop) ([45.24.125.62]) by smtp401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a8f277321c587c7a9510dce634497e78 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2018 14:06:45 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 09:06:49 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] IPhone repair resolved Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3558401146301111613== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01D462D4.12F1EAE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D462D4.12F1EAE0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for all the info on the iPhone... my problem was all self induced I was using the I-repair video for instruction... but my brain was = scrambling the reassembly sequence after I watched the video a couple more times I realized I was = reinstalling wiring in the wrong order...duh... and those little screws are TINY !!!!!!!!! phone working properly now and I can hear what people are saying to me john ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D462D4.12F1EAE0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for all the info on the iPhone... my problem was all self=20 induced
 
I was using the I-repair video for instruction... but my brain was=20 scrambling the reassembly sequence
after I watched the video a couple more times I realized I was = reinstalling=20 wiring in the wrong order...duh...
and those little screws are TINY !!!!!!!!!
phone working properly now and I can hear what people are saying to = me
 
john
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D462D4.12F1EAE0-- --===============3558401146301111613== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============3558401146301111613==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 14 07:12:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E162588908 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 07:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f46.google.com (mail-lf1-f46.google.com [209.85.167.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83ED25802DC for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 06:30:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f46.google.com with SMTP id d4-v6so12203526lfa.3 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 05:30:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7Ny3nwLVJkxkI+EiXBoNJ4z5Uok8tYgGIkf0MqDXTwI=; b=Jebt49h0NgYTCREFgtCHMKcvE8BQ3DK3kfFlF7wQtjcHoR8ALZ/Zq0n1rAYew3YOk5 otiSUNr37tUTVgemvBrEGVrK2MuNkLR/KjO7lFJeSXMcIlMjTAwMOR6BAqPjNbL5JoiT Ba2tSLbBV6zm+qb+ed3Nd8GmyAR+NFMsEemh0T9xe6zdWx1tekPx+LdeS0KtIhLqo9LQ IFDktftRBUJqzp8s8FUQh922MF+mYRDM3ITdwdOSU1r7yPi7ywM90QIcDnjq9QqgpPAx KeATIW6r3c7sa8/tZhDCv6gYlBpB3Z4bYCCDqqy1mEHqvB0X73hteu2VYvjAiSn2/8i/ dPQg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7Ny3nwLVJkxkI+EiXBoNJ4z5Uok8tYgGIkf0MqDXTwI=; b=Ul61aPLccoaUoYtlu5Hgr+tljHgH0SgvFWy86Ze1U+9HntpdNGG1ls/qk5kRoJnYM6 J9lm4fW2nUHkXx4O2ZsCFaeIN3NMkCr6Bc8z61GUS0XRG/Ykpxyh1UTlvgIho/+V96Cz KiydDNvATulua1Cna7fy17jgL+84bgw+bTlstg7LThtlu8x4skyomt/nJ5UCykGPc/Kn auQXsk7bAFIR9wvhOo2C0HKLGjX5s2yZXCMA8syOQHSS65lS1FfsOsIvE32HNX+Is9aV IMA+xSpM3g8wRdA2wahORzzW/6qrxvGU4UFf+9x9F2/9QAFrVTeNqKzBwKntG8+gQKOr wrQQ== TOFP+pBg8xz0LNRr8AZH0IWlGjBWxZ6ntdHYmos= f80-v6mr1759548lfl.75.1539520226335; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 05:30:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <5E732A22-77DA-4E0A-9D67-EF0FE45317FA@verizon.net> From: Peter Murray Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 08:30:10 -0400 To: opposumking@verizon.net Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG OVER DUE WINDOWS UPDATES Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0819684060395903020== --000000000000371fbf05782f7c32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nolan- I have no problems doing anything with Windows 7 on the variety of PCs (and bootcamp Macs) I run in and around my Shop, for clients and for family. If you're having trouble with web pages, you many need a plug-in enabled in your browser, or perhaps an adblocker or other protective measure is preventing a page from loading fully (I have had this issue). I have yet to run into an app that works in Windows 10 that doesn't run in Windows 7. An additional note: The performance improvement of a SSD over a HDD is not to be underestimated! If you'd like to see if a fresh install of Windows 7 would fix your issues, buy a 256GB SSD (<$60) and give it a try. That way, you can set aside your current drive and go back to it if you so choose. Happy to help further if you'd like. -Peter (IT guy) On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 8:15 AM Nolan wrote: > > Recently had to reinstall windows on my old laptop. Windows 10 was not a > good idea. Not as a free upgrade when it was released, not as an upgrade > now. > > In windows 7/8 it ran just fine. About 1 minute to boot up. Opened and > closed programs in seconds. > > With windows 10, boot up is about a 10 minute process. Starting a progra= m > takes upwards of a minute. It=E2=80=99s awful. > > That said, trying to do things with a windows 7/8 computer was > frustrating. Many web pages would not load or not load right. Many > programs would not install. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000371fbf05782f7c32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nolan-

I have no problems doing anythin= g with Windows 7 on the variety of PCs (and bootcamp Macs) I run in and aro= und my Shop, for clients and for family.

If you= 9;re having trouble with web pages, you many need a plug-in enabled in your= browser, or perhaps an adblocker or other protective measure is preventing= a page from loading fully (I have had this issue). I have yet to run into = an app that works in Windows 10 that doesn't run in Windows 7.

An additional note: The performance improvement of a SSD o= ver a HDD is not to be underestimated! If you'd like to see if a fresh = install of Windows 7 would fix your issues, buy a 256GB SSD (<$60) and g= ive it a try. That way, you can set aside your current drive and go back to= it if you so choose.

Happy to help further if you= 'd like.

-Peter (IT guy)

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 8:15 AM Nolan= <opposumking@verizon.net= > wrote:

Recently had to reinstall windows on my old laptop.=C2=A0 Windows 10 was no= t a good idea.=C2=A0 Not as a free upgrade when it was released, not as an = upgrade now.

In windows 7/8 it ran just fine.=C2=A0 About 1 minute to boot up.=C2=A0 Ope= ned and closed programs in seconds.

With windows 10, boot up is about a 10 minute process.=C2=A0 Starting a pro= gram takes upwards of a minute.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s awful.

That said, trying to do things with a windows 7/8 computer was frustrating.= =C2=A0 Many web pages would not load or not load right.=C2=A0 Many programs= would not install.
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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4181220636420262204== --000000000000f7862b057848159f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several places offer replacement drawer slides. There may be some that are direct fits or if you're willing to drill and screw/bolt them on you can get more generics. The tool box drawer and modern kitchen cabinet ones are surprisingly similar. Just google "tool box replacement slides" and lots of stuff pops up. I've got a "Clarke" box from Menards that had a similar problem and replaced them a few years ago --- and they were ball bearing. It seems to be more to do with how they're fastened to the cabinet and the drawer. These were snap in and the tangs that held them in were bending. Ben..... On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM David Cole wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve got a couple of large (large for homeowner size) Craftsman t= ool > boxes. One of them has regular drawers. Non ball bearing slides. I=E2= =80=99d > like to convert at least the bottom two drawers on this one to ball beari= ng > sides. They are heavy due to hammers and body work equipment. Don=E2= =80=99t want > to throw this cabinet out but the drawers keep coming off the tracks due = to > the weight. > > Anyone done this? > > I=E2=80=99ve seen ball bearing slides on Amazon and eBay pretty cheap. > > I=E2=80=99m concerned about how to attach the slides to the cabinet and d= rawers > Don=E2=80=99t know if bolts would work. The current setup has a bent li= p on the > slide with matching grooves/lip on both the drawer and cabinet. > > Thoughts? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > --=20 Ben Zwissler bjzwissler@gmail.com Columbus, IN --000000000000f7862b057848159f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several places offer replacement drawer slides.=C2=A0 Ther= e may be some that are direct fits or if you're willing to drill and sc= rew/bolt them on you can get more generics.=C2=A0 The tool box drawer and m= odern kitchen cabinet ones are surprisingly similar.=C2=A0 Just google &quo= t;tool box replacement slides" and lots of stuff pops up.=C2=A0 I'= ve got a "Clarke" box from Menards that had a similar problem and= replaced them a few years ago --- and they were ball bearing.=C2=A0 It see= ms to be more to do with how they're fastened to the cabinet and the dr= awer.=C2=A0 These were snap in and the tangs that held them in were bending= .

Ben.....

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM David Cole <dgcole01@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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I=E2=80=99ve got a couple of large (large fo= r homeowner size) Craftsman tool boxes.=C2=A0 =C2=A0One of them has regular= drawers.=C2=A0 Non ball bearing slides.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d like to convert = at least the bottom two drawers on this one to ball bearing sides.=C2=A0 Th= ey are heavy due to hammers and body work equipment.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Don=E2=80= =99t want to throw this cabinet out but the drawers keep coming off the tra= cks due to the weight.

Anyone done this?

I=E2=80=99ve seen ball bearing slides on Amazon and eBay pretty cheap.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m concerned about how to attach the slides to the cabinet and dra= wers Don=E2=80=99t know if bolts would work.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The current setup = has a bent lip on the slide with matching grooves/lip on both the drawer an= d cabinet.

Thoughts?

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--000000000000f7862b057848159f-- --===============4181220636420262204== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4181220636420262204==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 12:30:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A91F2589F83 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 12:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ABD2587C67 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:34:46 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:34:35 -0400 10/16/2018 09:34:46 AM, Serialize complete at 10/16/2018 09:34:46 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1987819002360523653== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004A931C85258328_= This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood. Here is the problem. I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue. These boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12") My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste? I'm not sure I'm explaining this well. But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste? I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material. Thanks, me and the baby animals thank you. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004A931C85258328_= This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.

Here is the problem.  I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue.  These boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12")

My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?  I'm not sure I'm explaining this well.  But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste?

I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material.

Thanks,  me and the baby animals thank you.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 004A931C85258328_=-- --===============1987819002360523653== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============1987819002360523653==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 19:58:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EA4258A8B7 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC712580220 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id o14so23734293oth.4 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P0y5Akp4VCFZVCzhoIzJ/gsKHGe/S5lM4RXhKCaZGis=; b=AXoCur/v/lLHd5bwQ3BLUU9N+qfsRbxyyA/nDX4P0s8nU9OMBRUcl1ajOD92JQdnld qQ581ej6KNiGlGmpSm3k7x9FlLTz1LRkp3AKnSEn3R6No6E6ooNSjsGl9QliZqVIvqVH KjUYwWOpE1h0YOQxgcJF0+w4l81YMud3TRSBXqxmAgs9BdqTxp/VaQR64SjJN8OgtvhP lduYEhiBQZ77YSwE+G+rY2rgkuhXI4ct1Ygs8KxhfEaT4vvp48z5XELJIG87ibeGX6WH YV9v82+Q7cJ7pKvgCBDQWW4Xn/i9ujf+Vo7l9ku60TKMJKB2c4aCzSDONXHkbhVL9KSO SOXQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P0y5Akp4VCFZVCzhoIzJ/gsKHGe/S5lM4RXhKCaZGis=; b=aVlnrjN9omVhNTbGSmcLeqYKN1zJiPyLPMpAztm1K6dGceRIiEG1upa9Ev+LXlV1ds gEb/Fvijyco04/gG4/Jl9Ab8LNGx0thumdIUuyn8w/3l+qya374hX9Pw/cmrJxixWShi kGj6r+XGxbsXkFt1HQawIOtxoVIG+6Dx6ro7JENi2j087FA1CHLROqNKlNA91UQs9bDX +A6/O01rR3CX4XDJrAPQ+177MFSFuqwzSrNvtbVOLGO5qVLjEAwpCLIq/hdp5yYUMlc2 hn6thhPVzO+VCWoBcU+xpGr8GWTiurapHC6Bbe9EXikaosRMdrAthxVgKd4yrvwModdP x4aA== 1/5A/hATdPNosjwW3pPhiD98gH20K6S3nofb9cO5+A== Tue, 16 Oct 2018 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:19:05 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:41 PM wrote: > > My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste? Made sense to me. Multiples of 12" and 16" (minus the saw kerf) should yield pieces that will fully utilize a sheet of plywood. Does that work for you? Otherwise you will have odd bits of about 8" by whatever left over. One sheet: 24 sides and bottoms (all 12x16) Second sheet : 20 short sides (12x12) and 3 sides/bottoms (12x16). That gives you 9 boxes, with two short sides (12x12) left over. If they have to be 20", then it gets trickier. Is SketchUp still a thing? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 20:59:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95787258494C for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 20:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81766258A460 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65B1243642 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5yRM_5Hmaoo for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (sinepix2gb.ny.us.ibm.com [129.42.208.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF1B6242F40 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:48:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8522113694791715167== boundary="------------EF415656DE8369592E7815C0" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EF415656DE8369592E7815C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've used the "cutlist" plugin for the free "Sketchup" modeling program which will take your design and compute a reasonable cut list.  Its layouts aren't perfectly efficient, though.  Layouts that absolutely minimize waste tend to be a nightmare to cut out so this program achieves a decent middle ground. J On 10/16/18 9:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, > please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders > instead of plywood. > > Here is the problem.  I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for > the local wildlife rescue.  These boxes aren't big or difficult to > build (about 12" X 20" X 12") > > My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan > how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?  I'm not sure > I'm explaining this well.  But a way to position each panel that needs > to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least > about of waste? > > I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is > possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields > the most boxes for least amount of raw material. > > Thanks,  me and the baby animals thank you. > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------EF415656DE8369592E7815C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've used the "cutlist" plugin for the free "Sketchup" modeling program which will take your design and compute a reasonable cut list.  Its layouts aren't perfectly efficient, though.  Layouts that absolutely minimize waste tend to be a nightmare to cut out so this program achieves a decent middle ground.

J


On 10/16/18 9:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.

Here is the problem.  I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue.  These boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12")

My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?  I'm not sure I'm explaining this well.  But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste?

I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material.

Thanks,  me and the baby animals thank you.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 
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--------------EF415656DE8369592E7815C0-- --===============8522113694791715167== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8522113694791715167==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 16 22:14:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAE8258AA99 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD360258A6AA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:34:05 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Jeff Scarbrough type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:34:05 -0400 10/16/2018 04:34:05 PM, Serialize complete at 10/16/2018 04:34:05 PM Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7669938125877560413== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0070FC6085258328_= This is awesome. I can't believe I overlooked the simplicity. Thanks a ton! Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson From: Jeff Scarbrough To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: 10/16/2018 03:19 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:41 PM wrote: > > My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste? Made sense to me. Multiples of 12" and 16" (minus the saw kerf) should yield pieces that will fully utilize a sheet of plywood. Does that work for you? Otherwise you will have odd bits of about 8" by whatever left over. One sheet: 24 sides and bottoms (all 12x16) Second sheet : 20 short sides (12x12) and 3 sides/bottoms (12x16). That gives you 9 boxes, with two short sides (12x12) left over. If they have to be 20", then it gets trickier. Is SketchUp still a thing? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --=_alternative 0070FC6085258328_= This is awesome.  I can't believe I overlooked the simplicity.

Thanks a ton!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson



From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To:        eric@megageek.com
Cc:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        10/16/2018 03:19 PM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste.



On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:41 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>
> My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?

Made sense to me.

Multiples of 12" and 16" (minus the saw kerf) should yield pieces that
will fully utilize a sheet of plywood.  Does that work for you?
Otherwise you will have odd bits of about 8" by whatever left over.


One sheet:  24 sides and bottoms (all 12x16)

Second sheet :  20 short sides (12x12) and 3 sides/bottoms (12x16).
That gives you 9 boxes, with two short sides (12x12) left over.

If they have to be 20", then it gets trickier.  Is SketchUp still a thing?

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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Bear in mind that you will have to tweak the dimensions a = bit to get the sides to fit around the bottoms, etc.=C2=A0 With my CAD prog= ram, sides are drawn 12" x 16".=C2=A0 Ends then become 10.5"= wide by 12" high.=C2=A0 The bases are 10.5" by 14.5".=C2=A0= So there's still a little waste... You could use the scraps to make an= gled pieces to screw or glue in the corners, so they are easier to clean ou= t.

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On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
This is awesome.=C2= =A0 I can't believe I overlooked the simplicity.

Thanks a ton!


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson



From: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com= >
To: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0eric@megageek.com
Cc: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk@autox.team.net&quo= t; <Shop-talk= @autox.team.net>
Date: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010/16/2018 03:19 PM
Subject: =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste.



On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:41 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>
> My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?

Made sense to me.

Multiples of 12" and 16" (minus the saw kerf) should yield pieces that
will fully utilize a sheet of plywood.=C2=A0 Does that work for you?
Otherwise you will have odd bits of about 8" by whatever left over.

One sheet: =C2=A024 sides and bottoms (all 12x16)

Second sheet : =C2=A020 short sides (12x12) and 3 sides/bottoms (12x16). That gives you 9 boxes, with two short sides (12x12) left over.

If they have to be 20", then it gets trickier.=C2=A0 Is SketchUp still a thing?

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8723618014165150121==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 17 01:39:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229CD25845EE for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f176.google.com (mail-qt1-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979A1258A6ED for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f176.google.com with SMTP id u34-v6so28061896qth.3 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:23:54 -0700 (PDT) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/O0ImXlpf4/UgVU/352deE2KQ7G26B7ZWKtx1rrQCPo=; b=N8GiesStMDM8Uqq8/V3bIGZjJrez7i0mBYBwZpWW9n8CuMY5Tb0ugUWJ/P0b8vxoxj 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7087381350811975114== --000000000000695d53057861af3d Yes! I have used this program for a couple of speaker building projects: http://www.delphiforfun.org.ws034.alentus.com/programs/cutlist.htm Doug On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 2:36 PM wrote: > This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please > just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of > plywood. > > Here is the problem. I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the > local wildlife rescue. These boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about > 12" X 20" X 12") > > My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how > to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste? I'm not sure I'm > explaining this well. But a way to position each panel that needs to be > cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of > waste? > > I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is possible > to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes > for least amount of raw material. > > Thanks, me and the baby animals thank you. > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > > --000000000000695d53057861af3d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes! I have used this program for a couple of speaker bui= lding projects:
On Tue, Oct= 16, 2018, 2:36 PM <eric@megageek.= com> wrote:
This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.

Here is the problem.=C2=A0 I need = to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue.=C2=A0 The= se boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12&= quot;)

My question is, does anyone know o= f a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?=C2=A0 I'm not sure I'm explaining this well.=C2=A0= But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste?

I also have a little flexibility i= n the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material.<= /font>

Thanks, =C2=A0me and the baby anim= als thank you.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________

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--000000000000695d53057861af3d-- --===============7087381350811975114== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============7087381350811975114==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 17 23:17:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E836258B3C0 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 23:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com (ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com [17.58.37.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCFA258AE90 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:31:29 -0600 (MDT) ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PGR008001BFH200@ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:31:22 +0000 (GMT) t=1539793882; bh=8CFpWx1PYKuECq0p3PdlL4H3i8PL0RyP7XzxF56JaQk=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=oJoHRzFOXQUIgvuBJ3FFo4xHZwpM3Fp6KkXPMOoePaFImaqUdDtDFHSvLuea92NL9 LTvpXDRthBD8tJPpL5+YbJ2Rpw/j1/A9S4LF4SLpTBDClU8jytRHAj9y/LKT5SXvJy msqB/ijgC532kODkpUZzkSaMxuNmVZxBwrTTMQO3eKzLIWjyM4ekZ0QOGOkK/aNted 4YwhcuDyVClraa1SRmt9lUm4GOls4pWgTiw+d1jrl9VGSHghkZrgatDmCRtni1EZ9f 0oKIWDjnm/9sbAHz8xCrd4dolByGout/wIhbloUku1MYnSVrAbE50pK+773bPIaEHn PjU776n480lHw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PGR006EK4K35R30@ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com>; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:31:20 +0000 (GMT) malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810170139 definitions=2018-10-16_14:,, signatures=0 From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:31:15 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Creating plans for maximizing material use with limited waste. Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6228595253980042982== boundary=Apple-Mail-BE492986-70D5-41AB-B497-E9C248739F59 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-BE492986-70D5-41AB-B497-E9C248739F59 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, Another way to standardize parts is to not insert ends in on 2 sides, but to= lap each side onto one side & be lapped on the other. Hard for me to put in= to words, but think about how you can close a cardboard box by closing each o= f the flaps by folding them in all at once verses closing opposite sides tog= ether.=20 I misunderstood something you originally said that made things more difficul= t in my view. You said =E2=80=9Cnesting box=E2=80=9D. You meant a box that c= ritters would nest in. I was thinking of boxes that would nest inside each o= ther when stored. Mind recalibration made things much easier! Pat Horne=20 We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Oct 16, 2018, at 8:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please ju= st pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.= =20 Here is the problem. I need to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the l= ocal wildlife rescue. These boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 1= 2" X 20" X 12")=20 My question is, does anyone know of a website that will help you plan how to= layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste? I'm not sure I'm explaini= ng this well. But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that= I use the most material available with the least about of waste?=20 I also have a little flexibility in the dimensions, so if it is possible to t= ry a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for l= east amount of raw material.=20 Thanks, me and the baby animals thank you. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-BE492986-70D5-41AB-B497-E9C248739F59 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric,

Another way to sta= ndardize parts is to not insert ends in on 2 sides, but to lap each side ont= o one side & be lapped on the other. Hard for me to put into words, but t= hink about how you can close a cardboard box by closing each of the flaps by= folding them in all at once verses closing opposite sides together. 
I misunderstood something you originally said that made th= ings more difficult in my view. You said =E2=80=9Cnesting box=E2=80=9D. You m= eant a box that critters would nest in. I was thinking of boxes that would n= est inside each other when stored. Mind recalibration made things much easie= r!

Pat Horne <= div>We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 16, 2018, at 8:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.

Here is the problem.  I need t= o build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue.  Thes= e boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12")

My question is, does anyone know of= a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?  I'm not sure I'm explaining this well.  But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste?

I also have a little flexibility in= the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material.

Thanks,  me and the baby anima= ls thank you.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I tried downloading and running that program.=C2=A0 I keep= getting a CRC error message when unzipping the file.=C2=A0

<= div>Randy


On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 2:51 AM Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.com> wrote:
Yes! I have used this program for a cou= ple of speaker building projects:

http://www.delphiforfun.org.ws034.alentus.com/programs/= cutlist.htm

Doug= =C2=A0


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 2:36 PM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
= This is shop related, but more wood shop, so if that is a problem, please just pretend that I am speaking of sheet metal for fenders instead of plywood.

Here is the problem.=C2=A0 I need = to build about 10 to 20 nesting boxes for the local wildlife rescue.=C2=A0 The= se boxes aren't big or difficult to build (about 12" X 20" X 12&= quot;)

My question is, does anyone know o= f a website that will help you plan how to layout materials on sheet goods to reduce waste?=C2=A0 I'm not sure I'm explaining this well.=C2=A0= But a way to position each panel that needs to be cut so that I use the most material available with the least about of waste?

I also have a little flexibility i= n the dimensions, so if it is possible to try a bunch of different sizes easily to see what yields the most boxes for least amount of raw material.<= /font>

Thanks, =C2=A0me and the baby anim= als thank you.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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On Thu= , Oct 18, 2018 at 1:24 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

Another way to standardize pa= rts is to not insert ends in on 2 sides, but to lap each side onto one side= & be lapped on the other.

= That's a great idea!=C2=A0

Base is still 10.5&= quot; by 14.5" but short sides are 12" by 11.25", and long s= ides are 12" by 15.25".=C2=A0 Actually results in less waste, I t= hink.=C2=A0 Well done, Pat.

Jeff Scarbrough
<= div>Sawdust Acres, Ga.
--0000000000002cfc1405787eaed0-- --===============4029998845645791840== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4029998845645791840==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 18:11:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E2E2587CC8 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m.mx.webworldinc.com (m.mx.webworldinc.com [184.105.96.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3719258973A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPEnvy (c-68-49-42-246.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.49.42.246]) by m.mx.webworldinc.com with SMTP (version=TLS\Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:57:09 -0700 From: "Al Fuller" To: "'Shop-Talk List'" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 12:57:06 -0400 Thread-Index: AdRolZNM33RYogJ5QuumT782botfQA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8746683823592456577== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01D46874.68AB9F80" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01D46874.68AB9F80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody still using spark plug cleaners - such as the small air powered sand blasters of old? I'm looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. - and wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs. I don't recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic materials. Thoughts? Al Fuller '65 BJ-8 '85 Rx-7 ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01D46874.68AB9F80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anybody still using spark plug cleaners – such = as the small air powered sand blasters of old?

 

I’m = looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. – and = wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I = don’t recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I = do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic = materials.

 

Thoughts?

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 

------=_NextPart_000_0066_01D46874.68AB9F80-- --===============8746683823592456577== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8746683823592456577==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 18:25:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DB82587B59 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 18:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic310-17.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic310.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.135.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C7E258B81B for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:07:44 -0600 (MDT) t=1540055253; bh=pAcPNQIUiIOJ7do8Fh801F8HAvUp1gAVqO4btdWaC6Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=cKZV0ptjFd25nJKTNXF/7PKaG7oJcT9+cyVc/JhpUE9PwuIDcyErJutBjBsF+KtTO11TgVhii+XAr3WGxGqyX4A2BrLyBJX+x1NGHxBcoEYL8yeopQ/lvBybI/KB4bcutuXojCv9MQZ6hf90eSlQuA1m4VBby3wI6TEWVfcn8BY= UweW7B8HIxU7ChUCcYiehWc3dmO8yg1CoPnOiCxSIOskAHtY0L4kqjNPDV2Y5CZbFar2W84.zdPY TVVoNLfkzTFIcj6kNyo9aRIW6Rm7zpKHsVeXNo1kHhzE92cdyTl4hpQmciUUyLZDaI1NnWTlC29D 8AMc_L3hp19.3._XBABEeYApHb_Aj_7KPNmNDlArSpBigz3ObQp1gBSPJnDAf8iCcwDGt4P2MLXB xfmUn6kIv._X6ifchMoOwWs8oVNNTUZkCAJbKVo7JQSslb6uyrjvm6oGU3H7AkPzi2B0we8NXVVQ cDixanmlHichrY7l4NjdAaig9m16CHZCrXMgqHyDED0B5qhO_9TysBMYToMAJ2uUp.ArLIabu6Lf a5EtZXS2HvWgHJ5XYrgcWqlg9sg98yXdoMEQMxzxSPcfvsCtO3jGzH5akgWgUHXzIe9IJSyKaiJd RpIQBvJ7g.wtMMypilAdPIbx7aNjL1P6.aWdLhtN_Q28iUYzYlI3NY9sTb0PCjciHdNE79bngRCm O51DMK4FJHtolnu.zam5MOKH0rtdOFqtI5o9jclAOVUcJfilJ32fb6.1qIz72yyDWkJz8SMZ4XzK 0QEBhqLQDTpMLYY8kYkDXnKUAcRhjj_qY6TQ4XAZHq6fu.NH3rZBvXe0hb8ZtQcIY1AyJ2qGFLyY p1P_CYusYv4Jw3UHAfpu9tZy_b9fmy_kZw4RjvwaoQ5CC02QtPHWuKqirZg6eE9CvHodnKbYZOkB gFbETIx0GsjvS8w6rc4kbhI04ztio2.7Eprk.xcar8JVgys.1I6rRDFvWcn2kmRniaNtml06crUA OIoL8y3XgOloLJZudMhbV6NiE6.pBff4Ix7Ps7NqJpTAUxS5pQtyPRlXa_bUvw1Q1tbIQtmCdQW. jZk41lbdr15kx08WIaxKnS__1Fz1eWyEFtX8jIoU9lxYjq2oOqc_H01DgANnMO3DGrSSOleEKQOY ZeAb52GJU9.WypKoggYwjo4xBoex6Gag75ExPle83hvGdknFfJ3VrUzss Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:07:33 +0000 Received: from 45-24-125-62.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net (EHLO Johnsdesktop) ([45.24.125.62]) by smtp424.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b48bb07902d1337bfe1186467141b85a for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:07:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 12:07:32 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1313029967269445111== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E0_01D4686D.7AF94EF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01D4686D.7AF94EF0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a = 3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off. I was going to put = in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week I = got time I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry = fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on = the tubing. I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit = over the tubing. It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least = that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried = several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped = or out of round... it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in = several places I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results tubing i.d. is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D tubing o.d. is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit = over .900 if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size = I=E2=80=99m good to go... did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C after researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to = whatever... anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing = and offers little on actual dimensions thanks john ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01D4686D.7AF94EF0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install = a 3/4=E2=80=9D=20 water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the = sink and=20 the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got = time
 
I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry = fitting the=20 plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the = tubing.  I=20 cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the = tubing.  It=20 looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s = what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the=20 concrete.  I tried several fittings and even cut the tubing lower = to see if=20 it was crimped or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all = the way around it=20 in several places
 
I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results
 
tubing i.d. is  .882=E2=80=9D which is just over = 7/8=E2=80=9D
tubing o.d. is  .900=E2=80=9D  which is just under = 29/32=E2=80=9D
 
a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D   which = ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over=20 .900
 
if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size = I=E2=80=99m good to=20 go...
 
did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C
after researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of=20 fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to whatever...
 
anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is = confusing and=20 offers little on actual dimensions

thanks
john
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Only time I ever used one was on aircraft type plugs.=C2= =A0 Auto and small engine plugs are cheap, I throw them away.=C2=A0 Aircraf= t plugs also have "massive" electrodes, and can tolerate some qui= te a bit more material loss.

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM Al Fuller <al@bighealey.org> wrote:

Anybody = still using spark plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air powered san= d blasters of old?

=C2=A0=

I=E2=80=99m looking at plugs for several car= s, snow blower, etc. =E2=80=93 and wondering whether the cleaning is known = to damage the plugs.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issue when = I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be mad= e of more exotic materials.

= =C2=A0

Thoughts?

=C2=A0

Al Fuller

=C2=A0

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

=C2=A0

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--0000000000004679f40578b2aeea-- --===============8682428981915293810== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============8682428981915293810==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 23:25:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1E12589C2D for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 23:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.onyx.syn-alias.com [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9668C2588546 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:09:14 -0600 (MDT) q=dns/txt; i=@mebtel.net; t=1540084144; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=yG8dV+ClLJOE7p/9MPuRMxHKkBg=; b=JvNG8CG6ejSiQ3iJjo/l1ecNBeEZ2cYbVumb+KSb4pMtPOuIq+rM+9/Mk8YDU591 ACyuzm2tGZlA11uCjHhuI9OBU/BExBNKsfjRY/3qBiKA4Cy/MBaLFHOOSM4nNVEG IIRIIczMCk49/p8U4977YrbbWYNx0mPTT32Z4r+oOvjWUwq4AlcWyzxbL5iu5sc1 /Cpgyafw4eANsmFSoe/f7EG20pDwCk/kGV7MRFr90Ok48ggxJ6RTXZCCPrswVu21 9v65UGT8VdTlxSoW4T3bR+s2GNc3AAk73F2gIR+e7sT6eIRXBCdQfDj+k4m42r36 8pYFKmpk8POREwVHYwRYNQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=smKx5t2vBNcA:10 a=KlU2pWyFyn8A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=HdCTtJK6-PYO51QyX6wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=bp1JZj2JtcS6DgXhBYcA:9 a=NCqOWA4xu8aLlY5C:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:58761] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 85/FF-05967-FA1DBCB5; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:09:04 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Eric Russell Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:09:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0532259581058483619== boundary="------------3D8B838C70AFF5BA77AECEAC" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3D8B838C70AFF5BA77AECEAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Might it be soft copper for use with flare fittings? Eric Russell Mebane, NC On 10/20/2018 1:07 PM, john niolon wrote: >  It looks like he used coiled tubing, > anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is > confusing and offers little on actual dimensions --------------3D8B838C70AFF5BA77AECEAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Might it be soft copper for use with flare fittings? 

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
On 10/20/2018 1:07 PM, john niolon wrote:
 It looks like he used coiled tubing,
anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers little on actual dimensions
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type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:26:59 -0400 10/20/2018 09:27:06 PM, Serialize complete at 10/20/2018 09:27:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4591776374838774080== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0007F79A8525832D_= Al, I use the cleaner anytime I remove a plug that I plan to put back. Its normally on small engines however. One note, I actually use a spot sandblaster that has the perfect hole size for most plugs. I use Al oxide for media. Never had a problem. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0007F79A8525832D_= Al,

I use the cleaner anytime I remove a plug that I plan to put back.   Its normally on small engines however.

One note, I actually use a spot sandblaster that has the perfect hole size for most plugs.  I use Al oxide for media.

Never had a problem.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0007F79A8525832D_=-- --===============4591776374838774080== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk --===============4591776374838774080==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 00:18:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53E8258AE5A for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 00:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32C2258816C for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:29:51 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:29:45 -0400 10/20/2018 09:29:51 PM, Serialize complete at 10/20/2018 09:29:51 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7383443379003817125== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000838668525832D_= John, for this I would look into a Watt's (or Sharkbite) connector. They actually have a large tolerance so they will fit different OD pipes (copper, PEX, PVC, CPVC, etc.) That is the first thing I would try. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 000838668525832D_= John,  for this I would look into a Watt's (or Sharkbite) connector.  They actually have a large tolerance so they will fit different OD pipes (copper, PEX, PVC, CPVC, etc.)  

That is the first thing I would try.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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10/51-22391-910EBCB5; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:10:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:10:06 -0400 To: john niolon ,shop-talk From: Steven Trovato References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There's certainly nothing wrong with asking the = shop-talk gurus, but for that sort of situation I = would walk into a plumbing supply store and tell = them what I have and ask for a fitting. I'm sure = the situation has come up before. As far as I = know, there hasn't been any major shift in sizes = in the last 25 years. My house was built in 1985 = and fittings I buy work just fine with the = original pipes. Maybe the coiled tubing is the = problem. I have never tried connecting regular fittings to that. -Steve T. At 01:07 PM 10/20/2018, john niolon wrote: >When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had = >the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the = >shop and cap it off. I was going to put in the = >sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week I got time > >I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee = >to start dry fitting the plumbing for = >sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the = >tubing. I cleaned it well but the Tee was still = >too small to fit over the tubing. It looks like = >he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s = >what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried = >several fittings and even cut the tubing lower = >to see if it was crimped or out of round... it = >mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in several places > >I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the results > >tubing i.d. is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D >tubing o.d. is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D > >a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit ov= er .900 > >if I can find one fitting to get this to = >standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good to go... > >did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C >after researching fittings a little I see that = >there are several =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... = >from plumbing to hvac to whatever... > >anyone wanna try and give me some guidance = >here... the net is confusing and offers little on actual dimensions > >thanks >john --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 02:42:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2668258AB5B for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com [17.110.78.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F7C258B20A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 20:52:44 -0600 (MDT) mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PGX00500HA6RF00@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:52:39 +0000 (GMT) t=1540090359; bh=gBvu3iaMNn77i5ILdBaJGT0pZBYQHM704caoUcTDioo=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-id:MIME-version:Content-type; b=I1ZLBBKciIufaKfuPWOOsF1dnlt80DuKGqEUvJUmZdh6vIfvFG9XrOZdvbcDdudeh exR6lJja//pihZfbKh6jc2QE9YekIxq0y9j+J0Epwpv25zo8wyXO+sY4mqQ96lHWQl L0+p4jst3AW4MV245Qq647SS/11ydPupf+3ZjqYf9taMZUAtxaAZQiLbZKRk5lRCQg rf9bFfSuH1sxu0Z5Xlyjq8Gs+PWJUxWEKrs0lXu5oHYobhkxAmhYBngtDIuohq7qSp Nwq8GkYvDz8CW8lm+VEFot5ylbYploPCiniIiD4cdIIbszGIdmAwMj/cNpDLV0EvYj cH7aNbFwMUQYg== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PGX00LY3HBNFB20@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com>; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:52:38 +0000 (GMT) malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810210026 definitions=2018-10-20_08:,, signatures=0 From: Pat Horne To: 'john niolon' , 'shop-talk' References: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:52:32 -0500 Thread-index: AdRo2EA0Bgby9d5mRSC5w3y3aeiABgADaQ9A Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4395560948651883201== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01D468BF.35DB6540" Content-language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01D468BF.35DB6540 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I don=E2=80=99t recall having trouble with old tubing/pipe & new = fittings.=20 =20 I just looked up the O.D. of =C2=BE=E2=80=9D pipe & tubing for water & = it shows to be 1/8=E2=80=9D larger than what the pipe is called, so that = would be 0.825=E2=80=9D.=20 =20 There is another system of copper tubing intended for A/C use. The = diameters for this tubing is the same as the call size, so 7/8=E2=80=9D = tubing would measure 0.875=E2=80=9D.=20 =20 I don=E2=80=99t have access to detailed metric charts but it seems that = the call size in MM is the same as the external diameter. 0.9=E2=80=9D = is just under 23MM, but I don=E2=80=99t see that there is an actual 23MM = tubing on the market. =20 If it is possible that the pipe was full of water & froze, the pipe = could have expanded that 0.025=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99ve had that happen = when I was in Denver decades ago. =20 I don=E2=80=99t know what you have, but with only about 0.025=E2=80=9D = that the fitting would need to be stretched, you might be able to do = that with a swaging tool, or make something that will do the job. =20 You might want to check with an old plumber to see what he/she knows. =20 Are there any markings or brand on the cap you cut off? =20 Where are you located? =20 Good luck. =20 Peace, Pat =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = john niolon Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus =20 When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a = 3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off. I was going to put = in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week I = got time =20 I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry = fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on = the tubing. I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit = over the tubing. It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least = that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried = several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped = or out of round... it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in = several places =20 I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results =20 tubing i.d. is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D tubing o.d. is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D =20 a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit = over .900 =20 if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size = I=E2=80=99m good to go... =20 did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C after researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to = whatever... =20 anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing = and offers little on actual dimensions thanks john ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01D468BF.35DB6540 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John, I don=E2=80=99t recall having trouble with old tubing/pipe = & new fittings.

 

I just looked up the O.D. of =C2=BE=E2=80=9D pipe & tubing for = water & it shows to be 1/8=E2=80=9D larger than what the pipe is = called, so that would be 0.825=E2=80=9D.

 

There is another system of copper tubing intended for A/C use. The = diameters for this tubing is the same as the call size, so 7/8=E2=80=9D = tubing would measure 0.875=E2=80=9D.

 

I don=E2=80=99t have access to detailed metric charts but it seems = that the call size in MM is the same as the external diameter. = 0.9=E2=80=9D is just under 23MM, but I don=E2=80=99t see that there is = an actual 23MM tubing on the market.

 

If it is possible that the pipe was full of water & froze, the = pipe could have expanded that 0.025=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99ve had that = happen when I was in Denver decades ago.

 

I don=E2=80=99t know what you have, but with only about = 0.025=E2=80=9D that the fitting would need to be stretched, you might be = able to do that with a swaging tool, or make something that will do the = job.

 

You might want to check with an old plumber to see what he/she = knows.

 

Are there any markings or brand on the cap you cut = off?

 

Where are you located?

 

Good luck.

 

Peace,

Pat

 

From:= = Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = john niolon
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 = PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] need some = copper plumbing help from the gurus

 

When we built = my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D = water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the = sink and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week = I got time

 

I cut the cap = off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting the plumbing = for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.  = I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the = tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least = that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.  I tried = several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped = or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it = in several places

 

I mic=E2=80=99d = the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results

 

tubing i.d. = is  .882=E2=80=9D which is just over = 7/8=E2=80=9D

tubing o.d. = is  .900=E2=80=9D  which is just under = 29/32=E2=80=9D

 

a new standard = Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D   which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over = .900

 

if I can find = one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good = to go...

 

did the old = stuff differ from todays standard = =E2=80=9C

after = researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to = whatever...

 

anyone wanna = try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers = little on actual dimensions


thanks<= /o:p>

john<= /span>

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They have nuts = on the ends that you tighten until the rubber insert clamps down tight = enough to seal to the pipe. Be sure to check the pressure rating on the = fitting. =20 Another thing that might work is a fitting called a =E2=80=9CShark = Bite=E2=80=9D. They are intended to work on PEX pipe, hold pressure & = are used on copper pipe also. Don=E2=80=99t know the play in the = fitting. I=E2=80=99ve used Shark Bites & have had some trouble with them = leaking after some time. I wouldn=E2=80=99t put any in locations where = they are hidden. =20 BTW, I=E2=80=99ve used deep sockets to swage refrigeration tubing so = that it would fit over the same size tubing to join two pieces without = using a coupling. Lucked out that I had a socket the right size! =20 Peace, Pat =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = john niolon Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus =20 When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a = 3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off. I was going to put = in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week I = got time =20 I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry = fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on = the tubing. I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit = over the tubing. It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least = that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried = several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped = or out of round... it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in = several places =20 I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results =20 tubing i.d. is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D tubing o.d. is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D =20 a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit = over .900 =20 if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size = I=E2=80=99m good to go... =20 did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C after researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to = whatever... =20 anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing = and offers little on actual dimensions thanks john ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01D468C0.775A6790 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You might also look for either an adjustable fitting that has a = rubber seal in it that is used to repair broken/leaking pipes. They have = nuts on the ends that you tighten until the rubber insert clamps down = tight enough to seal to the pipe. Be sure to check the pressure rating = on the fitting.

 

Another thing that might work is a fitting called a =E2=80=9CShark = Bite=E2=80=9D. They are intended to work on PEX pipe, hold pressure = & are used on copper pipe also. Don=E2=80=99t know the play in the = fitting. I=E2=80=99ve used Shark Bites & have had some trouble with = them leaking after some time. I wouldn=E2=80=99t put any in locations = where they are hidden.

 

BTW, I=E2=80=99ve used deep sockets to swage refrigeration tubing so = that it would fit over the same size tubing to join two pieces without = using a coupling. Lucked out that I had a socket the right = size!

 

Peace,

Pat

 

From:= = Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = john niolon
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 = PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] need some = copper plumbing help from the gurus

 

When we built = my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D = water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the = sink and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week = I got time

 

I cut the cap = off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting the plumbing = for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.  = I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the = tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least = that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.  I tried = several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped = or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it = in several places

 

I mic=E2=80=99d = the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the = results

 

tubing i.d. = is  .882=E2=80=9D which is just over = 7/8=E2=80=9D

tubing o.d. = is  .900=E2=80=9D  which is just under = 29/32=E2=80=9D

 

a new standard = Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D   which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over = .900

 

if I can find = one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good = to go...

 

did the old = stuff differ from todays standard = =E2=80=9C

after = researching fittings a little I see that there are several = =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to = whatever...

 

anyone wanna = try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers = little on actual dimensions


thanks<= /o:p>

john<= /span>

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Have heard--no hard data--that blasting damages the polished coating on the ceramic insulator (that's what blasting is for, after all).  I think, given how relatively inexpensive plugs are that it's not worth the risk.

Bob


On 10/20/2018 9:57 AM, Al Fuller wrote:

Anybody still using spark plug cleaners – such as the small air powered sand blasters of old?

 

I’m looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. – and wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I don’t recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic materials.

 

Thoughts?

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 



    

    

  


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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:07, john niolon  wrote:
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> When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=
=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the sin=
k and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got time
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> I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting t=
he plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.  I=
 cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the tubing.  It=
 looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s=
 coming up thru the concrete.=20

Is it out of round?  That=E2=80=99s a common problem with soft tube.  Plumbe=
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cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the tubing. =
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looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s c=
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From: "john niolon" 
To: "David Scheidt" ,
 "shop-talk" 
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it=E2=80=99s not out of round, Dave.  I mic=E2=80=99d it all the way =
around... and it was within .001 .  Someone mentioned freezing...  this =
pipe did freeze and burst in the past.  but the break was a foot above =
where I=E2=80=99m taking measurements.  That whole foot was removed.  I =
guess it could have expanded the whole section above the floor some.   =
And the section removed is the same diameter as what I=E2=80=99m looking =
at now so that might be a clue..  If my old back and knees will allow =
it, I=E2=80=99m going into the crawl space on the other end of the line =
and check sizes there, gotta do it anyway to turn it back on eventually. =
=20

I talked to an old  plumber as suggested (well, he=E2=80=99s as old as =
me...70=E2=80=99s) and he suggested reaming/swaging the tube and insert =
a short section of standard 3/4 straight pipe and solder it in well.  =
That would get me back to standard sizes.  I think I=E2=80=99m gonna try =
that tomorrow.   The fittings I=E2=80=99m using came from Home =
Depot/Lowes but I also checked some older fittings and they were the =
same measurements...  More to come !

From: David Scheidt=20
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:06 AM
To: john niolon=20
Cc: shop-talk=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus



On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:07, john niolon  wrote:


  When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a =
3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put =
in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I =
got time

  I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry =
fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on =
the tubing.  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit =
over the tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.=20

Is it out of round?  That=E2=80=99s a common problem with soft tube.  =
Plumbers have rerounding tools for the problem. =20


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it=E2=80=99s not out of round, Dave.  I mic=E2=80=99d it all =
the way around... and it=20
was within .001 .  Someone mentioned freezing...  this pipe =
did freeze=20
and burst in the past.  but the break was a foot above where =
I=E2=80=99m taking=20
measurements.  That whole foot was removed.  I guess it could =
have=20
expanded the whole section above the floor some.   And the =
section=20
removed is the same diameter as what I=E2=80=99m looking at now so that =
might be a=20
clue..  If my old back and knees will allow it, I=E2=80=99m going =
into the crawl=20
space on the other end of the line and check sizes there, gotta do it =
anyway to=20
turn it back on eventually.  


 


I talked to an old  plumber as suggested (well, he=E2=80=99s =
as old as=20
me...70=E2=80=99s) and he suggested reaming/swaging the tube and insert =
a short section=20
of standard 3/4 straight pipe and solder it in well.  That would =
get me=20
back to standard sizes.  I think I=E2=80=99m gonna try that =
tomorrow.  =20
The fittings I=E2=80=99m using came from Home Depot/Lowes but I also =
checked some older=20
fittings and they were the same measurements...  More to come =
!





 





Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:06 AM




Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from =
the=20
gurus


 





 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:07, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> =
wrote:




  

  

  

  
When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber =
install a 3/4=E2=80=9D=20
  water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the =
sink=20
  and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I =
got=20
  time

  
 

  
I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry =
fitting the=20
  plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the =
tubing.  I=20
  cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the =
tubing. =20
  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s =
what=E2=80=99s coming up thru=20
  the concrete. 


 
Is it out of round?  That=E2=80=99s a common =
problem with soft=20
tube.  Plumbers have rerounding tools for the problem. =20

 





  
 


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Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing/re-attaching coax line
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Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust you guys more than Google.

Hurricane Michael knocked over a tree at the house. That tree ripped the
overhead Concast coax line running to the house. It looks exactly like
you'd think it would--ripped apart on one end.

The other end has a connector on it. Looks like the push version of what
you connect to the t.v. box in the house

Can I trim the ends and install a new connector on the ripped-off end and
connect them? If so, anything I find on Google will do?

Thanks.

Scott

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Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust you guys=
 more than Google.

Hurricane M=
ichael knocked over a tree at the house. That tree ripped the overhead Conc=
ast coax line running to the house. It looks exactly like you'd think i=
t would--ripped apart on one end.

The other end has a connector on it. Looks like the push version =
of what you connect to the t.v. box in the house=C2=A0

Can I trim the ends and install a new connec=
tor on the ripped-off end and connect them? If so, anything I find on Googl=
e will do?

Thanks.
=


Scott


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True - the plugs for the snow blower are between $5-10.00 each here, likely
cheaper on Amazon. 

 

Thanks all.

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:46 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner

 

Have heard--no hard data--that blasting damages the polished coating on the
ceramic insulator (that's what blasting is for, after all).  I think, given
how relatively inexpensive plugs are that it's not worth the risk.

Bob

 

On 10/20/2018 9:57 AM, Al Fuller wrote:

Anybody still using spark plug cleaners - such as the small air powered sand
blasters of old?

 

I'm looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. - and wondering
whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I don't recall that
being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newer
plugs seem to be made of more exotic materials.

 

Thoughts? 

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 





 

 


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True – the plugs for the snow blower are =
between $5-10.00 each here, likely cheaper on Amazon… =

 
Thanks =
all.
 
Al Fuller
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 
From: Shop-talk =
[mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob =
Spidell
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:46 =
PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: =
[Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner
 
Have heard--no hard data--that =
blasting damages the polished coating on the ceramic insulator (that's =
what blasting is for, after all).  I think, given how relatively =
inexpensive plugs are that it's not worth the risk.
Bob
 
On =
10/20/2018 9:57 AM, Al Fuller wrote:
Anybody still using spark plug cleaners – such =
as the small air powered sand blasters of old?
 
I’m =
looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. – and =
wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I =
don’t recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I =
do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic =
materials.
 
Thoughts? 
 
Al Fuller
 
'65 =
BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 


 
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Thanks Eric- I will keep in mind the Al Oxide if I clean them.

 

Al Fuller

 

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 

From: eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:27 PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Cc: Al Fuller 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner

 

Al, 

I use the cleaner anytime I remove a plug that I plan to put back.   Its
normally on small engines however. 

One note, I actually use a spot sandblaster that has the perfect hole size
for most plugs.  I use Al oxide for media. 

Never had a problem. 


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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Thanks Eric- I will keep in mind the Al Oxide if I clean =
them…
 
Al Fuller
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 
From:<=
/b> =
eric@megageek.com [mailto:eric@megageek.com] 
Sent: Saturday, =
October 20, 2018 9:27 PM
To: =
Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Cc: Al Fuller =
<al@bighealey.org>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug =
Cleaner
 
Al, =


I use the =
cleaner anytime I remove a plug that I plan to put back.   Its =
normally on small engines however. 

One note, I =
actually use a spot sandblaster that has the perfect hole size for most =
plugs.  I use Al oxide for media. 

Never had a =
problem. 


Sent =
from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph =
Waldo Emerson 

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Sure.  Note that the connectors the cable company uses will likely be 
better quality than what you might find at the local store.  I'd say you 
can get by, at least short term doing it yourself.  Take your time and 
follow the directions carefully.  Make sure you don't have any of the 
grounding sheath touching the center conductor.

You may want to follow-up with the cable company when things return to 
normal for them to install a high quality weather resistant connector.

There is the possibility that the tree falling stretched the cable and 
broke the center conductor.  I'd also look closely at the part the 
broken end attached to for any signs of it stretching.

Brian

On 10/21/2018 9:51 AM, Scott Hall wrote:
> Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust you guys more than 
> Google.
>
> Hurricane Michael knocked over a tree at the house. That tree ripped 
> the overhead Concast coax line running to the house. It looks exactly 
> like you'd think it would--ripped apart on one end.
>
> The other end has a connector on it. Looks like the push version of 
> what you connect to the t.v. box in the house
>
> Can I trim the ends and install a new connector on the ripped-off end 
> and connect them? If so, anything I find on Google will do?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
>
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    Sure.  Note that the connectors the cable company uses will likely
    be better quality than what you might find at the local store.  I'd
    say you can get by, at least short term doing it yourself.  Take
    your time and follow the directions carefully.  Make sure you don't
    have any of the grounding sheath touching the center conductor.

    

    You may want to follow-up with the cable company when things return
    to normal for them to install a high quality weather resistant
    connector.

    

    There is the possibility that the tree falling stretched the cable
    and broke the center conductor.  I'd also look closely at the part
    the broken end attached to for any signs of it stretching.

    

    Brian

    

    
On 10/21/2018 9:51 AM, Scott Hall
      wrote:

    

    

      
      
Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust
        you guys more than Google.
        


        

        
Hurricane Michael knocked over a tree at the
          house. That tree ripped the overhead Concast coax line running
          to the house. It looks exactly like you'd think it
          would--ripped apart on one end.

        


        

        
The other end has a connector on it. Looks like
          the push version of what you connect to the t.v. box in the
          house 

        


        

        
Can I trim the ends and install a new connector
          on the ripped-off end and connect them? If so, anything I find
          on Google will do?

        


        

        
Thanks.

        


        

        
Scott

      

      

      

      

      
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I have one of them and they  do work well.  They used to make sense back in
the day when lead would leave deposits, carbs would run rich and points
would burn, weak spark, etc., resulting in good, relatively new plugs that
were sooted or covered with lead deposits.  Also, if you had two-strokes,
they tended to foul plugs.

With modern ignitions and lead-free gas, plugs last a very, very long time,
and they probably are worn by the time that they get dirty, if they ever
get dirty. I also have read that sandblasting will round-off the sharp
edges, resulting in less efficient sparking surfaces (I do not know if that
is true).

Of course, the big bugaboo is the potential of leaving some sand/grit on
the plug and inserting it into your cylinder to scratch the bore.

I think the last time I used my spark plug blaster was to clean a lawnmower
plug or a chainsaw plug that sooted out.  It is always there, though, if I
needed to put a vehicle on the road and I do not have a plug to do it.  :-)

Best,

doug
BSA B50SS

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:57 AM Bob Spidell  wrote:

> Have heard--no hard data--that blasting damages the polished coating on
> the ceramic insulator (that's what blasting is for, after all).  I think,
> given how relatively inexpensive plugs are that it's not worth the risk.
>
> Bob
>
> On 10/20/2018 9:57 AM, Al Fuller wrote:
>
> Anybody still using spark plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air p=
owered
> sand blasters of old?
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. =E2=80=
=93 and wondering
> whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I don=E2=80=99t recal=
l that
> being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newe=
r
> plugs seem to be made of more exotic materials.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Al Fuller
>
>
>
> '65 BJ-8
>
> '85 Rx-7
>
>
>
>
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I have one of them and they=C2=A0 do work well.=C2=A0 They=
 used to make sense back in the day when lead would leave deposits, carbs w=
ould run rich and points would burn, weak spark, etc., resulting in good, r=
elatively new plugs that were sooted or covered with lead deposits.=C2=A0 A=
lso, if you had two-strokes, they tended to foul plugs.

=
With modern ignitions and lead-free gas, plugs last a very, very long time,=
 and they probably are worn by the time that they get dirty, if they ever g=
et dirty. I also have read that sandblasting will round-off the sharp edges=
, resulting in less efficient sparking surfaces (I do not know if that is t=
rue).

Of course, the big bugaboo is the potential =
of leaving some sand/grit on the plug and inserting it into your cylinder t=
o scratch the bore.

I think the last time I used m=
y spark plug blaster was to clean a lawnmower plug or a chainsaw plug that =
sooted out.=C2=A0 It is always there, though, if I needed to put a vehicle =
on the road and I do not have a plug to do it.=C2=A0 :-)

Best,

doug
BSA B50SS
<=
br>
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:57=
 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcas=
t.net> wrote:

 =20
   =20
 =20
  

    
Have heard--no hard data--that blasting damages the polished
      coating on the ceramic insulator (that's what blasting is for,
      after all).=C2=A0 I think, given how relatively inexpensive plugs are
      that it's not worth the risk.

    
Bob

    

    

    
On 10/20/2018 9:57 A=
M, Al Fuller wrote:

    

    

     =20
     =20
     =20
      

        
Anybody still using spark plug cleaners =E2=
=80=93
          such as the small air powered sand blasters of old?=


        
=C2=A0

        
I=E2=80=99m looking at plugs for several car=
s, snow
          blower, etc. =E2=80=93 and wondering whether the cleaning is know=
n to
          damage the plugs.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issu=
e when I
          used them years ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs
          seem to be made of more exotic materials.

        
=C2=A0

        
Thoughts? 

        
=C2=A0

        
Al Fuller

        
=C2=A0

        
'65 BJ-8

        
'85 Rx-7

        
=C2=A0

      

      

      

    

    

  


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Even after all the other comments, I'd still be leery of that piece of 
pipe. The wall thickness of 0.009" won't hold much pressure, even if you 
are successful in attaching to it.

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On 20-Oct-2018 13:07, john niolon wrote:
> When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4†
> water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the sink 
> and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got time
> I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4†Tee to start dry fitting the 
> plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn’t fit on the tubing.  I cleaned 
> it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the tubing.  It looks 
> like he used coiled tubing, or at least that’s what’s coming up thru the 
> concrete.  I tried several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see 
> if it was crimped or out of round...  it mic’d the same all the way 
> around it in several places
> I mic’d the tubing and the fitting and here’s the results
> tubing i.d. is  .882†which is just over 7/8â€
> tubing o.d. is  .900â€Â  which is just under 29/32â€
> a new standard Tee i.d.is .876â€Â Â  which ain’t gonna fit over .900
> if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4†size I’m good to go...
> did the old stuff differ from todays standard “
> after researching fittings a little I see that there are several ‘types†
> of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to whatever...
> anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing 
> and offers little on actual dimensions
>
> thanks
> john
>
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Even after all the other comments, I'd still be leery of that
      piece of pipe. The wall thickness of 0.009" won't hold much
      pressure, even if you are successful in attaching to it.

    
Donald.

    

    
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On 20-Oct-2018 13:07, john niolon
      wrote:

    

    

      
      

        

          
When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the
            plumber install a 3/4†water line to the shop and cap it
            off.  I was going to put in the sink and the outside faucet
            when I got time.  Well,  this week I got time

          
 

          
I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4†Tee to start dry
            fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn’t fit
            on the tubing.  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too
            small to fit over the tubing.  It looks like he used coiled
            tubing, or at least that’s what’s coming up thru the
            concrete.  I tried several fittings and even cut the tubing
            lower to see if it was crimped or out of round...  it mic’d
            the same all the way around it in several places

          
 

          
I mic’d the tubing and the fitting and here’s the results

          
 

          
tubing i.d. is  .882†which is just over 7/8â€

          
tubing o.d. is  .900â€Â  which is just under 29/32â€

          
 

          
a new standard Tee i.d.is .876â€Â Â  which ain’t gonna fit
            over .900

          
 

          
if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4â€
            size I’m good to go...

          
 

          
did the old stuff differ from todays standard “

          
after researching fittings a little I see that there are
            several ‘types†of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to
            whatever...

          
 

          
anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the
            net is confusing and offers little on actual dimensions

          


            thanks

          
john

        

      

      

      

      

      
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Good point. If the pipe can=E2=80=99t be replaced, at least install a =
pressure reducer to drop the pressure to about 25 PSI. The reason I =
recommend 25 is that it is the pressure used in RVs so regulators are =
cheap & easy to find.

=20

Peace,

Pat

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From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Donald H Locker
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus

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Even after all the other comments, I'd still be leery of that piece of =
pipe. The wall thickness of 0.009" won't hold much pressure, even if you =
are successful in attaching to it.

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On 20-Oct-2018 13:07, john niolon wrote:

When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a =
3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put =
in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I =
got time

=20

I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry =
fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on =
the tubing.  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit =
over the tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.  I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in =
several places

=20

I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results

=20

tubing i.d. is  .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D

tubing o.d. is  .900=E2=80=9D  which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D

=20

a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D   which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit =
over .900

=20

if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size =
I=E2=80=99m good to go...

=20

did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C

after researching fittings a little I see that there are several =
=E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...

=20

anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing =
and offers little on actual dimensions


thanks

john






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Good point. If the pipe can=E2=80=99t be replaced, at least install a =
pressure reducer to drop the pressure to about 25 PSI. The reason I =
recommend 25 is that it is the pressure used in RVs so regulators are =
cheap & easy to find.
 
Peace,
Pat
 
From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf =
Of Donald H Locker
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:32 =
AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: =
[Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the =
gurus
 
Even after all the other =
comments, I'd still be leery of that piece of pipe. The wall thickness =
of 0.009" won't hold much pressure, even if you are successful in =
attaching to =
it.
Donald.
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On 20-Oct-2018 13:07, john niolon =
wrote:
When we built my house/shop =
25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the =
shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the sink and the =
outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got =
time
 
=

I cut the cap off and test =
fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting the plumbing for =
sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.  I =
cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the =
tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.  I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it =
in several places
 
=

I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing =
and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results
 
=

tubing i.d. is  =
.882=E2=80=9D which is just over =
7/8=E2=80=9D
tubing o.d. is  =
.900=E2=80=9D  which is just under =
29/32=E2=80=9D
 
=

a new standard Tee i.d.is =
.876=E2=80=9D   which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over =
.900
 
=

if I can find one fitting =
to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good to =
go...
 
=

did the old stuff differ =
from todays standard =E2=80=9C
after researching fittings =
a little I see that there are several =E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of =
fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...
 
=

anyone wanna try and give =
me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers little on =
actual dimensions

thanks=

john



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Wow =E2=80=93 thanks Karl =E2=80=93 lots of info there!!  Makes me feel =
much better prepared to make an informed decision around all my plugs.

=20

Al Fuller

=20

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

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Answers here to many things you didn=E2=80=99t ask about=E2=80=A6  About =
aircraft plugs, where blasting is the most common, but mostly applicable =
to car and small-engine plugs as well.  FWIW, I=E2=80=99ve been blasting =
car plugs since the 60=E2=80=99s and aircraft plugs since the =
70=E2=80=99s.

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Blasting is still used on most aircraft plugs, same as ever.  Aviation =
plugs cost $25-$50-$75 apiece and up, depending on type and how much of =
a bargain hunter you are.  No big sales at the local auto parts store.  =
Very few owners replace plugs at every Annual or 100-hour inspection.  =
Piston aircraft engines have 2 plugs per cylinder, and flat engines most =
commonly have 4 or 6 cylinders.  Radial engines usually have 7 or 9 =
cylinders (or 3 or 5 on some antiques), and the really big ones have =
multiple rows of 7 or 9 cylinders.  Lots of plugs.

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The two largest aviation spark plug manufacturers, Champion and Tempest =
(originally AC) both publish blasting instructions and sell plug =
blasting/testing machines.  Quite obviously they approve.  Like a =
majority of individuals working mainly on their own planes, I =
don=E2=80=99t have one of these $1,000 to $1,500 machines.  The =
=E2=80=9CVixen=E2=80=9D brand one that most auto parts stores still sell =
for under $20 works just fine.  It doesn=E2=80=99t have the impressive =
pressure-tester where you see the spark jumping while the plug is under =
pressure, but that test isn=E2=80=99t really helpful 99.9% of the time =
as long as you do a good job of cleaning.

=20

As far as abrasive, I use a garnet abrasive because it indeed breaks =
down and exposes fresh sharp edges.   Most auto parts stores sell little =
bags specifically for use in plug blasters.  And if a garnet particle =
gets into the engine despite careful magnified inspection as part of my =
reconditioning, that particle won=E2=80=99t do as much damage as =
aluminum oxide.  But it=E2=80=99s probably not critical as long as you =
get all the abrasive out in the first place before reinstalling the =
plug.  Either way, abrasive is cheap to buy and lasts through many many =
plugs.

=20

There isn=E2=80=99t actually a shiny coating or glaze on the center or =
nose insulator, and the ceramic itself isn=E2=80=99t degraded much by =
normal light blasting.  What the aviation plug manufacturers DO caution =
about, however, it to avoid eroding the cement that holds the center =
electrode into the insulator.  With extended blasting the cement erodes =
and a well develops around the center electrode.  Not sure how bad it =
needs to get to be an issue =E2=80=93 I have some plugs with slight =
erosion and they work fine, don=E2=80=99t foul notably different than =
new ones, etc.

=20

To get the initial carbon off (because its=E2=80=99 a really slow =
process to blast 14 plugs completely without doing some initial carbon =
removal), I first use Hoppe=E2=80=99s #9.  Just set the plugs upside =
down in a rack and drop in enough Hoppe=E2=80=99s to fill the plug =
interior.  Wait an hour (15 minutes is actually enough most times), dump =
out the Hoppe=E2=80=99s, and  spray carb cleaner or Brakleen into the =
plug to get much of the carbon out.  Then blow dry, and then blast.  =
Speeds up the process immensely, especially getting the deep carbon out =
or at least softened.

=20

While cleaning, some of the carbon inside the plug=E2=80=99s outer steel =
shell is hard to remove.  Champion (etc.) sells a plug cutter tool =
that=E2=80=99s like a tiny curved saw blade, made to fit  into a =
vibrating engraver-type tool.  That makes fast work of the excess carbon =
around the outside.  Carbon on the center insulator usually comes off =
pretty easily.  Once you think you=E2=80=99re pretty much done.. you =
visually inspect the inside for missed deposits and any remaining =
abrasive.  A dental pick helps there.

=20

The other thing that=E2=80=99s important in reconditioning aviation =
plugs is to check the resistance.  There=E2=80=99s a resistor in =
virtually every modern aircraft plug, not for RF suppression but for =
good running.  If the resistance decreases (it can over time) the plug =
will develop a misfire.  RF suppression is handled by shielding of the =
magnetos, cables, and the plugs themselves, which have a heavy steel =
outer case.  You never even see the ceramic outside like you do on an =
automotive plug (except for unshielded aircraft plugs, which are =
increasingly rare).

=20

Massive electrode plugs have a large center electrode and (usually two) =
large side electrodes that are shaped to surround the center electrode.  =
The side electrodes can be bent in and out to set the gap.  While plug =
inspection and cleaning is part of every 100-hour and annual inspection, =
blasting can in time round off the edges of the electrodes and make the =
plugs less efficient, as the primary area for sparking to begin is at =
the sharp edges.  I=E2=80=99ve taken an ignition file to the tops of my =
electrodes a few times on older plugs to remove some of the =
blasting-induced rounding.  They look better, but I=E2=80=99m not sure =
it makes lots of difference in running.

=20

Plug manufacturers don=E2=80=99t recommend blasting on =
=E2=80=9Cfine-wire=E2=80=9D plugs, which are similar to platinum, etc. =
automotive plugs except the side electrode is a thin piece of platinum =
or iridium.  Those come pre-gapped and all you=E2=80=99re supposed to do =
is verify the gap, and if it=E2=80=99s incorrect replace the plug.  At =
$75 apiece minimum.  But they don=E2=80=99t foul much, which is why =
they=E2=80=99re used, and they last a long time.

=20

Final caveat.  Shielded aviation plugs are all heavy steel on the =
outside.  All the ceramic is inside.  If you drop one, it looks fine.  =
Even after carefully inspecting it, all the ceramic looks fine every =
time.

=20

But there=E2=80=99s an old aircraft mechanic=E2=80=99s saying that you =
only drop a plug twice.  First time on the floor, and the second time =
into the garbage can.  I=E2=80=99ve violated that a few times, but =
75-80% of the time the plug is either bad immediately or goes bad =
quickly =E2=80=93 within a few hours at most.  I=E2=80=99ve marked the =
plugs I=E2=80=99ve dropped and attempted to reuse, but after a few times =
realizing that the old saying is right, I haven=E2=80=99t reused any =
more dropped plugs.  A bad miss or worse really gets your attention in =
the air.

=20

Have a blast !!

=20

Karl

=20

=20

=20

=20

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
John Innis
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:02 PM
To: Al Fuller
Cc: shop-talk
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner

=20

Only time I ever used one was on aircraft type plugs.  Auto and small =
engine plugs are cheap, I throw them away.  Aircraft plugs also have =
"massive" electrodes, and can tolerate some quite a bit more material =
loss.

=20

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM Al Fuller 
Wow =E2=80=93 thanks Karl =E2=80=93 lots of info there!!=C2=A0 Makes me =
feel much better prepared to make an informed decision around all my =
plugs.
 
Al Fuller
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 
From:<=
/b> =
Karl Vacek [mailto:stearman809@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, =
October 21, 2018 6:21 PM
To: 'John Innis' =
<jdinnis@gmail.com>; 'Al Fuller' =
<al@bighealey.org>
Cc: 'shop-talk' =
<Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] =
Spark Plug Cleaner
 
Answers here to many things you didn=E2=80=99t ask about=E2=80=A6  =
About aircraft plugs, where blasting is the most common, but mostly =
applicable to car and small-engine plugs as well.  FWIW, =
I=E2=80=99ve been blasting car plugs since the 60=E2=80=99s and aircraft =
plugs since the 70=E2=80=99s.
 
Blasting is still used on most aircraft plugs, same as ever.  =
Aviation plugs cost $25-$50-$75 apiece and up, depending on type and how =
much of a bargain hunter you are.  No big sales at the local auto =
parts store.  Very few owners replace plugs at every Annual or =
100-hour inspection.  Piston aircraft engines have 2 plugs per =
cylinder, and flat engines most commonly have 4 or 6 cylinders.  =
Radial engines usually have 7 or 9 cylinders (or 3 or 5 on some =
antiques), and the really big ones have multiple rows of 7 or 9 =
cylinders.  Lots of plugs.
 
The two largest aviation spark plug manufacturers, Champion and Tempest =
(originally AC) both publish blasting instructions and sell plug =
blasting/testing machines.  Quite obviously they approve.  =
Like a majority of individuals working mainly on their own planes, I =
don=E2=80=99t have one of these $1,000 to $1,500 machines.  The =
=E2=80=9CVixen=E2=80=9D brand one that most auto parts stores still sell =
for under $20 works just fine.  It doesn=E2=80=99t have the =
impressive pressure-tester where you see the spark jumping while the =
plug is under pressure, but that test isn=E2=80=99t really helpful 99.9% =
of the time as long as you do a good job of =
cleaning.
 
As far as abrasive, I use a garnet abrasive because it indeed breaks =
down and exposes fresh sharp edges.   Most auto parts stores =
sell little bags specifically for use in plug blasters.  And if a =
garnet particle gets into the engine despite careful magnified =
inspection as part of my reconditioning, that particle won=E2=80=99t do =
as much damage as aluminum oxide.  But it=E2=80=99s probably not =
critical as long as you get all the abrasive out in the first place =
before reinstalling the plug.  Either way, abrasive is cheap to buy =
and lasts through many many plugs.
 
There isn=E2=80=99t actually a shiny coating or glaze on the center or =
nose insulator, and the ceramic itself isn=E2=80=99t degraded much by =
normal light blasting.  What the aviation plug manufacturers DO =
caution about, however, it to avoid eroding the cement that holds the =
center electrode into the insulator.  With extended blasting the =
cement erodes and a well develops around the center electrode.  Not =
sure how bad it needs to get to be an issue =E2=80=93 I have some plugs =
with slight erosion and they work fine, don=E2=80=99t foul notably =
different than new ones, etc.
 
To get the initial carbon off (because its=E2=80=99 a really slow =
process to blast 14 plugs completely without doing some initial carbon =
removal), I first use Hoppe=E2=80=99s #9.  Just set the plugs =
upside down in a rack and drop in enough Hoppe=E2=80=99s to fill the =
plug interior.  Wait an hour (15 minutes is actually enough most =
times), dump out the Hoppe=E2=80=99s, and  spray carb cleaner or =
Brakleen into the plug to get much of the carbon out.  Then blow =
dry, and then blast.  Speeds up the process immensely, especially =
getting the deep carbon out or at least =
softened.
 
While cleaning, some of the carbon inside the plug=E2=80=99s outer =
steel shell is hard to remove.  Champion (etc.) sells a plug cutter =
tool that=E2=80=99s like a tiny curved saw blade, made to fit  into =
a vibrating engraver-type tool.  That makes fast work of the excess =
carbon around the outside.  Carbon on the center insulator usually =
comes off pretty easily.  Once you think you=E2=80=99re pretty much =
done.. you visually inspect the inside for missed deposits and any =
remaining abrasive.  A dental pick helps =
there.
 
The other thing that=E2=80=99s important in reconditioning aviation =
plugs is to check the resistance.  There=E2=80=99s a resistor in =
virtually every modern aircraft plug, not for RF suppression but for =
good running.  If the resistance decreases (it can over time) the =
plug will develop a misfire.  RF suppression is handled by =
shielding of the magnetos, cables, and the plugs themselves, which have =
a heavy steel outer case.  You never even see the ceramic outside =
like you do on an automotive plug (except for unshielded aircraft plugs, =
which are increasingly rare).
 
Massive electrode plugs have a large center electrode and (usually two) =
large side electrodes that are shaped to surround the center =
electrode.  The side electrodes can be bent in and out to set the =
gap.  While plug inspection and cleaning is part of every 100-hour =
and annual inspection, blasting can in time round off the edges of the =
electrodes and make the plugs less efficient, as the primary area for =
sparking to begin is at the sharp edges.  I=E2=80=99ve taken an =
ignition file to the tops of my electrodes a few times on older plugs to =
remove some of the blasting-induced rounding.  They look better, =
but I=E2=80=99m not sure it makes lots of difference in =
running.
 
Plug manufacturers don=E2=80=99t recommend blasting on =
=E2=80=9Cfine-wire=E2=80=9D plugs, which are similar to platinum, etc. =
automotive plugs except the side electrode is a thin piece of platinum =
or iridium.  Those come pre-gapped and all you=E2=80=99re supposed =
to do is verify the gap, and if it=E2=80=99s incorrect replace the =
plug.  At $75 apiece minimum.  But they don=E2=80=99t foul =
much, which is why they=E2=80=99re used, and they last a long =
time.
 
Final caveat.  Shielded aviation plugs are all heavy steel on the =
outside.  All the ceramic is inside.  If you drop one, it =
looks fine.  Even after carefully inspecting it, all the ceramic =
looks fine every time.
 
But there=E2=80=99s an old aircraft mechanic=E2=80=99s saying that you =
only drop a plug twice.  First time on the floor, and the second =
time into the garbage can.  I=E2=80=99ve violated that a few times, =
but 75-80% of the time the plug is either bad immediately or goes bad =
quickly =E2=80=93 within a few hours at most.  I=E2=80=99ve marked =
the plugs I=E2=80=99ve dropped and attempted to reuse, but after a few =
times realizing that the old saying is right, I haven=E2=80=99t reused =
any more dropped plugs.  A bad miss or worse really gets your =
attention in the air.
 
Have a blast !!
 
Karl
 
 
 
 
From: =
Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces=
@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Innis
Sent: =
Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:02 PM
To: Al Fuller
Cc: =
shop-talk
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug =
Cleaner
 
Only =
time I ever used one was on aircraft type plugs.  Auto and small =
engine plugs are cheap, I throw them away.  Aircraft plugs also =
have "massive" electrodes, and can tolerate some quite a bit =
more material loss.
 
On =
Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM Al Fuller <al@bighealey.org> =
wrote:
Anybody =
still using spark plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air powered =
sand blasters of old?
 <=
/o:p>
I=E2=80=99m =
looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. =E2=80=93 and =
wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I =
don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut =
I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic =
materials.
 <=
/o:p>
Thoughts? =

 <=
/o:p>
Al Fuller
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 <=
/o:p>
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If I had one, I'd probably use it=2E No danger to the plug AFAIK, but I wor=
ry about a piece of grit getting caught where I can't see it, then later fa=
lling out in the cylinder=2E=20

What I do instead is to spray it with carb cleaner, then immediately start=
 heating with a propane torch=2E The carb cleaner will burn off, but keep h=
eating until there is no trace of yellow in the flame=2E Obviously use plie=
rs or tongs to hold the plug=2E  The result won't look new, but it will run=
=2E
-- Randall

On 20 October 2018 10:57:06 GMT-06:00, Al Fuller  wrot=
e:
>Anybody still using spark plug cleaners - such as the small air powered
>sand
>blasters of old?
>
>=20
>
>I'm looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc=2E - and
>wondering
>whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs=2E  I don't recall that
>being an issue when I used them years ago, nut I do confess that the
>newer
>plugs seem to be made of more exotic materials=2E
>
>=20
>
>Thoughts?=20
>
>=20
>
>Al Fuller
>
>=20
>
>'65 BJ-8
>
>'85 Rx-7
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If I had one, I'd probably use it=2E No danger to th=
e plug AFAIK, but I worry about a piece of grit getting caught where I can'=
t see it, then later falling out in the cylinder=2E 

What I do inste=
ad is to spray it with carb cleaner, then immediately start heating with a =
propane torch=2E The carb cleaner will burn off, but keep heating until the=
re is no trace of yellow in the flame=2E Obviously use pliers or tongs to h=
old the plug=2E  The result won't look new, but it will run=2E
-- Randal=
l

On 20 October 2018 10:57:06 GMT-06:00, =
Al Fuller <al@bighealey=2Eorg> wrote:


Anybody still using spa=
rk plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air powered sand blasters of o=
ld?
 
I=E2=80=99m looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc=
=2E =E2=80=93 and wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plu=
gs=2E  I don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issue when I used them yea=
rs ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exoti=
c materials=2E
 
Thoughts? 
&=
nbsp;
Al Full=
er
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
 <=
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Just thought of a quick fix. Use a 3/4=E2=80=9D flare fitting & file out the=
 nut to fit over the copper. Make up the connection & adapt it as you see fi=
t.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 21, 2018, at 7:33 AM, john niolon  wrote:

it=E2=80=99s not out of round, Dave.  I mic=E2=80=99d it all the way around.=
.. and it was within .001 .  Someone mentioned freezing...  this pipe did fr=
eeze and burst in the past.  but the break was a foot above where I=E2=80=99=
m taking measurements.  That whole foot was removed.  I guess it could have e=
xpanded the whole section above the floor some.   And the section removed is=
 the same diameter as what I=E2=80=99m looking at now so that might be a clu=
e..  If my old back and knees will allow it, I=E2=80=99m going into the craw=
l space on the other end of the line and check sizes there, gotta do it anyw=
ay to turn it back on eventually.=20
=20
I talked to an old  plumber as suggested (well, he=E2=80=99s as old as me...=
70=E2=80=99s) and he suggested reaming/swaging the tube and insert a short s=
ection of standard 3/4 straight pipe and solder it in well.  That would get m=
e back to standard sizes.  I think I=E2=80=99m gonna try that tomorrow.   Th=
e fittings I=E2=80=99m using came from Home Depot/Lowes but I also checked s=
ome older fittings and they were the same measurements...  More to come !
=20
From: David Scheidt
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:06 AM
To: john niolon
Cc: shop-talk
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus
=20
=20

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:07, john niolon  wrote:
>=20
> When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=
=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the sin=
k and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got time
> =20
> I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting t=
he plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.  I=
 cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the tubing.  It=
 looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s=
 coming up thru the concrete.
=20
Is it out of round?  That=E2=80=99s a common problem with soft tube.  Plumbe=
rs have rerounding tools for the problem.=20
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Just thought of a quick fix. Use a 3/4=E2=80=
=9D flare fitting & file out the nut to fit over the copper. Make up the=
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On Oct 21, 2018, at 7:33 AM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:









it=E2=80=99s not out of round, Dave.  I mic=E2=80=99d it all the w=
ay around... and it=20
was within .001 .  Someone mentioned freezing...  this pipe did fr=
eeze=20
and burst in the past.  but the break was a foot above where I=E2=80=99=
m taking=20
measurements.  That whole foot was removed.  I guess it could have=
=20
expanded the whole section above the floor some.   And the section=
=20
removed is the same diameter as what I=E2=80=99m looking at now so that migh=
t be a=20
clue..  If my old back and knees will allow it, I=E2=80=99m going into t=
he crawl=20
space on the other end of the line and check sizes there, gotta do it anyway=
 to=20
turn it back on eventually.  


 


I talked to an old  plumber as suggested (well, he=E2=80=99s as ol=
d as=20
me...70=E2=80=99s) and he suggested reaming/swaging the tube and insert a sh=
ort section=20
of standard 3/4 straight pipe and solder it in well.  That would get me=
=20
back to standard sizes.  I think I=E2=80=99m gonna try that tomorrow.&n=
bsp; =20
The fittings I=E2=80=99m using came from Home Depot/Lowes but I also checked=
 some older=20
fittings and they were the same measurements...  More to come !






 





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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the=
=20
gurus


 






 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 12:07, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:




  

  

  

  
When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3=
/4=E2=80=9D=20
  water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put in the sin=
k=20
  and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I got=20=

  time

  
 

  
I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fit=
ting the=20
  plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing=
.  I=20
  cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the tubing.&nb=
sp;=20
  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=
=99s coming up thru=20
  the concrete. 


 
Is it out of round?  That=E2=80=99s a common problem w=
ith soft=20
tube.  Plumbers have rerounding tools for the problem. =20

 





  
 


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There's something wrong with those numbers=2E =2E900 minus =2E882 is only =
=2E018, meaning the wall thickness is only =2E009"=2E

But otherwise I agree, its probably 3/4 soft copper tubing, perhaps with a=
n extra coating for direct burial=2E Get a 3/4" flare nut and see if it wil=
l fit over the tubing=2E =2E900" is kind of big, but flare fittings are muc=
h more forgiving than sweat fittings are=2E Soft copper can also be swaged =
down a bit, just by clamping it in the flaring tool=2E
-- Randall

On 20 October 2018 20:10:06 GMT-06:00, Steven Trovato  wrote:
>There's certainly nothing wrong with asking the=20
>shop-talk gurus, but for that sort of situation I=20
>would walk into a plumbing supply store and tell=20
>them what I have and ask for a fitting=2E  I'm sure=20
>the situation has come up before=2E  As far as I=20
>know, there hasn't been any major shift in sizes=20
>in the last 25 years=2E  My house was built in 1985=20
>and fittings I buy work just fine with the=20
>original pipes=2E  Maybe the coiled tubing is the=20
>problem=2E  I have never tried connecting regular fittings to that=2E
>
>-Steve T=2E
>
>At 01:07 PM 10/20/2018, john niolon wrote:
>>When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had=20
>>the plumber install a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D water line to the=20
>>shop and cap it off=2E  I was going to put in the=20
>>sink and the outside faucet when I got time=2E  Well,  this week I got
>time
>>
>>I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D Tee=20
>>to start dry fitting the plumbing for=20
>>sink/faucet=2E  The Tee wouldn=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t fit on the=20
>>tubing=2E  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still=20
>>too small to fit over the tubing=2E  It looks like=20
>>he used coiled tubing, or at least that=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s=20
>>what=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s coming up thru the concrete=2E  I tried=20
>>several fittings and even cut the tubing lower=20
>>to see if it was crimped or out of round=2E=2E=2E  it=20
>>mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d the same all the way around it in several places
>>
>>I mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=C3=A2=C2=80=
=C2=99s the results
>>
>>tubing i=2Ed=2E is  =2E882=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D which is just over 7/8=C3=
=A2=C2=80=C2=9D
>>tubing o=2Ed=2E is  =2E900=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D  which is just under 29/32=
=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D
>>
>>a new standard Tee i=2Ed=2Eis =2E876=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D   which ain=C3=A2=
=C2=80=C2=99t gonna fit over =2E900
>>
>>if I can find one fitting to get this to=20
>>standard 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D size I=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99m good to go=2E=
=2E=2E
>>
>>did the old stuff differ from todays standard =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9C
>>after researching fittings a little I see that=20
>>there are several =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98types=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D of fittings=
=2E=2E=2E=2E=20
>>from plumbing to hvac to whatever=2E=2E=2E
>>
>>anyone wanna try and give me some guidance=20
>>here=2E=2E=2E the net is confusing and offers little on actual dimension=
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>>thanks
>>john
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When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had 
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shop and cap it =
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I cut the cap off and test fi=
tted a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D Tee 
to start dry fitting the plumbing for =

sink/faucet=2E  The Tee wouldn=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t fit on the 
tubing=
=2E  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still 
too small to fit over the =
tubing=2E  It looks like 
he used coiled tubing, or at least that=C3=A2=
=C2=80=C2=99s 
what=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s coming up thru the concrete=2E  I=
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was crimped or out of round=2E=2E=2E  it 
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I mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d t=
he tubing and the fitting and here=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s the results

tu=
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a new standard Tee i=2Ed=2Eis =2E876=C3=
=A2=C2=80=C2=9D   which ain=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t gonna fit over =2E900
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standard 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=
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did the old stuff =
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Scott,

Try to determine why kind of coax it is. It should be written on the 
outer shield.

After that you should be able to Google for the correct connectors and 
YouTube demo's on how to install them.

As an example, when I installed my satellite dish I used RG6 Quad 
Shield. That also seems to be relatively popular CATV cable. But there 
is also an RG6 Dual Shield which, I am assuming, would look similar on 
the outside but is certainly not the same on the inside and takes a 
different connector. And your cable not even be RG6 ANYTHING so look first.

Anyway, once you figure out exactly what cable you have then take the 
environment into consideration. Do you need weatherproof connectors? Are 
there any support issues? That kind of stuff.

Note that there may be some special tools to make the stripping and 
inserting into the connector much easier. I've actually had better luck 
... though it took a while ... stripping the coax by hand than I did 
with the inexpensive coax strippers that I bought but the 'pusher' was a 
must-have in my opinion. So you may get to buy some tools you don't 
already have but will hopefully never need to use again.

Other than that I can't think of why you can't do it yourself. Of course 
any laws, regulations, ordinances, contract agreements, etc. that you 
violate while doing so are on you ;-}

Arvid


On 10/21/18 11:51 AM, Scott Hall wrote:
> Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust you guys more than 
> Google.
>
> Hurricane Michael knocked over a tree at the house. That tree ripped 
> the overhead Concast coax line running to the house. It looks exactly 
> like you'd think it would--ripped apart on one end.
>
> The other end has a connector on it. Looks like the push version of 
> what you connect to the t.v. box in the house
>
> Can I trim the ends and install a new connector on the ripped-off end 
> and connect them? If so, anything I find on Google will do?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
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Scott,

    
Try to determine why kind of coax it is. It should be written on
      the outer shield.

    
After that you should be able to Google for the correct
      connectors and YouTube demo's on how to install them.

    
As an example, when I installed my satellite dish I used RG6 Quad
      Shield. That also seems to be relatively popular CATV cable. But
      there is also an RG6 Dual Shield which, I am assuming, would look
      similar on the outside but is certainly not the same on the inside
      and takes a different connector. And your cable not even be RG6
      ANYTHING so look first.

    

    
Anyway, once you figure out exactly what cable you have then take
      the environment into consideration. Do you need weatherproof
      connectors? Are there any support issues? That kind of stuff.

    
Note that there may be some special tools to make the stripping
      and inserting into the connector much easier. I've actually had
      better luck ... though it took a while ... stripping the coax by
      hand than I did with the inexpensive coax strippers that I bought
      but the 'pusher' was a must-have in my opinion. So you may get to
      buy some tools you don't already have but will hopefully never
      need to use again.

    

    
Other than that I can't think of why you can't do it yourself. Of
      course any laws, regulations, ordinances, contract agreements,
      etc. that you violate while doing so are on you ;-}

    

    
Arvid

    

    


    

    
On 10/21/18 11:51 AM, Scott Hall wrote:

    

    

      
      
Guys, not particularly shop related, but I trust
        you guys more than Google.
        


        

        
Hurricane Michael knocked over a tree at the
          house. That tree ripped the overhead Concast coax line running
          to the house. It looks exactly like you'd think it
          would--ripped apart on one end.

        


        

        
The other end has a connector on it. Looks like
          the push version of what you connect to the t.v. box in the
          house 

        


        

        
Can I trim the ends and install a new connector
          on the ripped-off end and connect them? If so, anything I find
          on Google will do?

        


        

        
Thanks.

        


        

        
Scott

      

      

      

      
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	"'Al Fuller'" 
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Answers here to many things you didn=E2=80=99t ask about=E2=80=A6  About =
aircraft plugs, where blasting is the most common, but mostly applicable =
to car and small-engine plugs as well.  FWIW, I=E2=80=99ve been blasting =
car plugs since the 60=E2=80=99s and aircraft plugs since the =
70=E2=80=99s.

=20

Blasting is still used on most aircraft plugs, same as ever.  Aviation =
plugs cost $25-$50-$75 apiece and up, depending on type and how much of =
a bargain hunter you are.  No big sales at the local auto parts store.  =
Very few owners replace plugs at every Annual or 100-hour inspection.  =
Piston aircraft engines have 2 plugs per cylinder, and flat engines most =
commonly have 4 or 6 cylinders.  Radial engines usually have 7 or 9 =
cylinders (or 3 or 5 on some antiques), and the really big ones have =
multiple rows of 7 or 9 cylinders.  Lots of plugs.

=20

The two largest aviation spark plug manufacturers, Champion and Tempest =
(originally AC) both publish blasting instructions and sell plug =
blasting/testing machines.  Quite obviously they approve.  Like a =
majority of individuals working mainly on their own planes, I =
don=E2=80=99t have one of these $1,000 to $1,500 machines.  The =
=E2=80=9CVixen=E2=80=9D brand one that most auto parts stores still sell =
for under $20 works just fine.  It doesn=E2=80=99t have the impressive =
pressure-tester where you see the spark jumping while the plug is under =
pressure, but that test isn=E2=80=99t really helpful 99.9% of the time =
as long as you do a good job of cleaning.

=20

As far as abrasive, I use a garnet abrasive because it indeed breaks =
down and exposes fresh sharp edges.   Most auto parts stores sell little =
bags specifically for use in plug blasters.  And if a garnet particle =
gets into the engine despite careful magnified inspection as part of my =
reconditioning, that particle won=E2=80=99t do as much damage as =
aluminum oxide.  But it=E2=80=99s probably not critical as long as you =
get all the abrasive out in the first place before reinstalling the =
plug.  Either way, abrasive is cheap to buy and lasts through many many =
plugs.

=20

There isn=E2=80=99t actually a shiny coating or glaze on the center or =
nose insulator, and the ceramic itself isn=E2=80=99t degraded much by =
normal light blasting.  What the aviation plug manufacturers DO caution =
about, however, it to avoid eroding the cement that holds the center =
electrode into the insulator.  With extended blasting the cement erodes =
and a well develops around the center electrode.  Not sure how bad it =
needs to get to be an issue =E2=80=93 I have some plugs with slight =
erosion and they work fine, don=E2=80=99t foul notably different than =
new ones, etc.

=20

To get the initial carbon off (because its=E2=80=99 a really slow =
process to blast 14 plugs completely without doing some initial carbon =
removal), I first use Hoppe=E2=80=99s #9.  Just set the plugs upside =
down in a rack and drop in enough Hoppe=E2=80=99s to fill the plug =
interior.  Wait an hour (15 minutes is actually enough most times), dump =
out the Hoppe=E2=80=99s, and  spray carb cleaner or Brakleen into the =
plug to get much of the carbon out.  Then blow dry, and then blast.  =
Speeds up the process immensely, especially getting the deep carbon out =
or at least softened.

=20

While cleaning, some of the carbon inside the plug=E2=80=99s outer steel =
shell is hard to remove.  Champion (etc.) sells a plug cutter tool =
that=E2=80=99s like a tiny curved saw blade, made to fit  into a =
vibrating engraver-type tool.  That makes fast work of the excess carbon =
around the outside.  Carbon on the center insulator usually comes off =
pretty easily.  Once you think you=E2=80=99re pretty much done.. you =
visually inspect the inside for missed deposits and any remaining =
abrasive.  A dental pick helps there.

=20

The other thing that=E2=80=99s important in reconditioning aviation =
plugs is to check the resistance.  There=E2=80=99s a resistor in =
virtually every modern aircraft plug, not for RF suppression but for =
good running.  If the resistance decreases (it can over time) the plug =
will develop a misfire.  RF suppression is handled by shielding of the =
magnetos, cables, and the plugs themselves, which have a heavy steel =
outer case.  You never even see the ceramic outside like you do on an =
automotive plug (except for unshielded aircraft plugs, which are =
increasingly rare).

=20

Massive electrode plugs have a large center electrode and (usually two) =
large side electrodes that are shaped to surround the center electrode.  =
The side electrodes can be bent in and out to set the gap.  While plug =
inspection and cleaning is part of every 100-hour and annual inspection, =
blasting can in time round off the edges of the electrodes and make the =
plugs less efficient, as the primary area for sparking to begin is at =
the sharp edges.  I=E2=80=99ve taken an ignition file to the tops of my =
electrodes a few times on older plugs to remove some of the =
blasting-induced rounding.  They look better, but I=E2=80=99m not sure =
it makes lots of difference in running.

=20

Plug manufacturers don=E2=80=99t recommend blasting on =
=E2=80=9Cfine-wire=E2=80=9D plugs, which are similar to platinum, etc. =
automotive plugs except the side electrode is a thin piece of platinum =
or iridium.  Those come pre-gapped and all you=E2=80=99re supposed to do =
is verify the gap, and if it=E2=80=99s incorrect replace the plug.  At =
$75 apiece minimum.  But they don=E2=80=99t foul much, which is why =
they=E2=80=99re used, and they last a long time.

=20

Final caveat.  Shielded aviation plugs are all heavy steel on the =
outside.  All the ceramic is inside.  If you drop one, it looks fine.  =
Even after carefully inspecting it, all the ceramic looks fine every =
time.

=20

But there=E2=80=99s an old aircraft mechanic=E2=80=99s saying that you =
only drop a plug twice.  First time on the floor, and the second time =
into the garbage can.  I=E2=80=99ve violated that a few times, but =
75-80% of the time the plug is either bad immediately or goes bad =
quickly =E2=80=93 within a few hours at most.  I=E2=80=99ve marked the =
plugs I=E2=80=99ve dropped and attempted to reuse, but after a few times =
realizing that the old saying is right, I haven=E2=80=99t reused any =
more dropped plugs.  A bad miss or worse really gets your attention in =
the air.

=20

Have a blast !!

=20

Karl

=20

=20

=20

=20

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
John Innis
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:02 PM
To: Al Fuller
Cc: shop-talk
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner

=20

Only time I ever used one was on aircraft type plugs.  Auto and small =
engine plugs are cheap, I throw them away.  Aircraft plugs also have =
"massive" electrodes, and can tolerate some quite a bit more material =
loss.

=20

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM Al Fuller  wrote:

Anybody still using spark plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air =
powered sand blasters of old?

=20

I=E2=80=99m looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. =
=E2=80=93 and wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the =
plugs.  I don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issue when I used them =
years ago, nut I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more =
exotic materials.

=20

Thoughts?=20

=20

Al Fuller

=20

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

=20

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Answers here to many things you didn=E2=80=99t ask =
about=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 About aircraft plugs, where blasting is the most =
common, but mostly applicable to car and small-engine plugs as =
well.=C2=A0 FWIW, I=E2=80=99ve been blasting car plugs since the =
60=E2=80=99s and aircraft plugs since the =
70=E2=80=99s.
 
Blasting is still used on most aircraft plugs, same as ever.=C2=A0 =
Aviation plugs cost $25-$50-$75 apiece and up, depending on type and how =
much of a bargain hunter you are.=C2=A0 No big sales at the local auto =
parts store.=C2=A0 Very few owners replace plugs at every Annual or =
100-hour inspection.=C2=A0 Piston aircraft engines have 2 plugs per =
cylinder, and flat engines most commonly have 4 or 6 cylinders.=C2=A0 =
Radial engines usually have 7 or 9 cylinders (or 3 or 5 on some =
antiques), and the really big ones have multiple rows of 7 or 9 =
cylinders.=C2=A0 Lots of plugs.
 
The two largest aviation spark plug manufacturers, Champion and =
Tempest (originally AC) both publish blasting instructions and sell plug =
blasting/testing machines.=C2=A0 Quite obviously they approve.=C2=A0 =
Like a majority of individuals working mainly on their own planes, I =
don=E2=80=99t have one of these $1,000 to $1,500 machines.=C2=A0 The =
=E2=80=9CVixen=E2=80=9D brand one that most auto parts stores still sell =
for under $20 works just fine. =C2=A0It doesn=E2=80=99t have the =
impressive pressure-tester where you see the spark jumping while the =
plug is under pressure, but that test isn=E2=80=99t really helpful 99.9% =
of the time as long as you do a good job of =
cleaning.
 
As far as abrasive, I use a garnet abrasive because it indeed breaks =
down and exposes fresh sharp edges.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Most auto parts stores =
sell little bags specifically for use in plug blasters.=C2=A0 And if a =
garnet particle gets into the engine despite careful magnified =
inspection as part of my reconditioning, that particle won=E2=80=99t do =
as much damage as aluminum oxide.=C2=A0 But it=E2=80=99s probably not =
critical as long as you get all the abrasive out in the first place =
before reinstalling the plug.=C2=A0 Either way, abrasive is cheap to buy =
and lasts through many many plugs.
 
There isn=E2=80=99t actually a shiny coating or glaze on the center =
or nose insulator, and the ceramic itself isn=E2=80=99t degraded much by =
normal light blasting.=C2=A0 What the aviation plug manufacturers DO =
caution about, however, it to avoid eroding the cement that holds the =
center electrode into the insulator.=C2=A0 With extended blasting the =
cement erodes and a well develops around the center electrode.=C2=A0 Not =
sure how bad it needs to get to be an issue =E2=80=93 I have some plugs =
with slight erosion and they work fine, don=E2=80=99t foul notably =
different than new ones, etc.
 
To get the initial carbon off (because its=E2=80=99 a really slow =
process to blast 14 plugs completely without doing some initial carbon =
removal), I first use Hoppe=E2=80=99s #9.=C2=A0 Just set the plugs =
upside down in a rack and drop in enough Hoppe=E2=80=99s to fill the =
plug interior.=C2=A0 Wait an hour (15 minutes is actually enough most =
times), dump out the Hoppe=E2=80=99s, and =C2=A0spray carb cleaner or =
Brakleen into the plug to get much of the carbon out.=C2=A0 Then blow =
dry, and then blast.=C2=A0 Speeds up the process immensely, especially =
getting the deep carbon out or at least =
softened.
 
While cleaning, some of the carbon inside the plug=E2=80=99s outer =
steel shell is hard to remove.=C2=A0 Champion (etc.) sells a plug cutter =
tool that=E2=80=99s like a tiny curved saw blade, made to fit=C2=A0 into =
a vibrating engraver-type tool.=C2=A0 That makes fast work of the excess =
carbon around the outside.=C2=A0 Carbon on the center insulator usually =
comes off pretty easily.=C2=A0 Once you think you=E2=80=99re pretty much =
done.. you visually inspect the inside for missed deposits and any =
remaining abrasive.=C2=A0 A dental pick helps =
there.
 
The other thing that=E2=80=99s important in reconditioning aviation =
plugs is to check the resistance.=C2=A0 There=E2=80=99s a resistor in =
virtually every modern aircraft plug, not for RF suppression but for =
good running.=C2=A0 If the resistance decreases (it can over time) the =
plug will develop a misfire.=C2=A0 RF suppression is handled by =
shielding of the magnetos, cables, and the plugs themselves, which have =
a heavy steel outer case.=C2=A0 You never even see the ceramic outside =
like you do on an automotive plug (except for unshielded aircraft plugs, =
which are increasingly rare).
 
Massive electrode plugs have a large center electrode and (usually =
two) large side electrodes that are shaped to surround the center =
electrode.=C2=A0 The side electrodes can be bent in and out to set the =
gap.=C2=A0 While plug inspection and cleaning is part of every 100-hour =
and annual inspection, blasting can in time round off the edges of the =
electrodes and make the plugs less efficient, as the primary area for =
sparking to begin is at the sharp edges.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve taken an =
ignition file to the tops of my electrodes a few times on older plugs to =
remove some of the blasting-induced rounding.=C2=A0 They look better, =
but I=E2=80=99m not sure it makes lots of difference in =
running.
 
Plug manufacturers don=E2=80=99t recommend blasting on =
=E2=80=9Cfine-wire=E2=80=9D plugs, which are similar to platinum, etc. =
automotive plugs except the side electrode is a thin piece of platinum =
or iridium.=C2=A0 Those come pre-gapped and all you=E2=80=99re supposed =
to do is verify the gap, and if it=E2=80=99s incorrect replace the =
plug.=C2=A0 At $75 apiece minimum. =C2=A0But they don=E2=80=99t foul =
much, which is why they=E2=80=99re used, and they last a long =
time.
 
Final caveat.=C2=A0 Shielded aviation plugs are all heavy steel on =
the outside.=C2=A0 All the ceramic is inside.=C2=A0 If you drop one, it =
looks fine.=C2=A0 Even after carefully inspecting it, all the ceramic =
looks fine every time.
 
But there=E2=80=99s an old aircraft mechanic=E2=80=99s saying that =
you only drop a plug twice.=C2=A0 First time on the floor, and the =
second time into the garbage can.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve violated that a few =
times, but 75-80% of the time the plug is either bad immediately or goes =
bad quickly =E2=80=93 within a few hours at most.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve =
marked the plugs I=E2=80=99ve dropped and attempted to reuse, but after =
a few times realizing that the old saying is right, I haven=E2=80=99t =
reused any more dropped plugs.=C2=A0 A bad miss or worse really gets =
your attention in the air.
 
Have a blast !!
 
Karl
 
 
 
 
From:=
 =
Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
John Innis
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:02 =
PM
To: Al Fuller
Cc: shop-talk
Subject: =
Re: [Shop-talk] Spark Plug Cleaner
 
Only =
time I ever used one was on aircraft type plugs.  Auto and small =
engine plugs are cheap, I throw them away.  Aircraft plugs also =
have "massive" electrodes, and can tolerate some quite a bit =
more material loss.
 
On =
Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:53 PM Al Fuller <al@bighealey.org> =
wrote:
Anybody =
still using spark plug cleaners =E2=80=93 such as the small air powered =
sand blasters of old?
 <=
/o:p>
I=E2=80=99m =
looking at plugs for several cars, snow blower, etc. =E2=80=93 and =
wondering whether the cleaning is known to damage the plugs.  I =
don=E2=80=99t recall that being an issue when I used them years ago, nut =
I do confess that the newer plugs seem to be made of more exotic =
materials.
 <=
/o:p>
Thoughts? =

 <=
/o:p>
Al Fuller
 
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7
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After reading all the suggestions you guys offered and discussing the =
situation with my old plumber/pipefitter friend, this is what I came up =
with

Using two or three different sizes of sockets and finally a 1/2=E2=80=9D =
socket extension with a =E2=80=98flare=E2=80=99 from the shaft to the =
head I slowly swaged the tube until
I  could insert a normal 3/4=E2=80=9D section of tube inside it.  I =
sweat soldered those two pieces together. =20

While we were digging the ditch for the sink drain we snagged the =
original line about 3 feet from where I =E2=80=98remembered=E2=80=99 it =
being.  I removed/replaced the damaged piece with standard
3/4 stick tubing and we found that the plumber had used stick tube from =
the house to the garage and then used the coil tubing to make the radius =
bend up thru the floor slab.  I=E2=80=99ll never know why... maybe an =
apprentice's
decision to finish up early one day
.
I did check the o.d. of the other end of the coiled tube and found it to =
be the same as the stick tubing (just like some of you said).   Soooooo =
the consensus that the tube had frozen and expanded enough to prevent =
fittings from going on the end was probably the right answer. =20

after all the drain/ditch work and the repairs I installed a =
3/4=E2=80=9D ball valve and opened the valve on the other end... so far =
(4 hours)... no leaks, no fountains in the garage, no large wet spots in =
the yard
and I=E2=80=99m tired.  I should have done this 25 years ago when I =
built the house and was in my 40=E2=80=99s.

thanks for all the advise, opinion, and discussion... once again this =
fine group has saved my bacon..

later
\john
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After reading all the suggestions you guys offered and discussing =
the=20
situation with my old plumber/pipefitter friend, this is what I came up=20
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1/2=E2=80=9D socket=20
extension with a =E2=80=98flare=E2=80=99 from the shaft to the head I =
slowly swaged the tube=20
until


I  could insert a normal 3/4=E2=80=9D section of tube inside =
it.  I sweat=20
soldered those two pieces together.  


 


While we were digging the ditch for the sink drain we snagged the =
original=20
line about 3 feet from where I =E2=80=98remembered=E2=80=99 it =
being.  I removed/replaced=20
the damaged piece with standard


3/4 stick tubing and we found that the plumber had used stick tube =
from the=20
house to the garage and then used the coil tubing to make the radius =
bend up=20
thru the floor slab.  I=E2=80=99ll never know why... maybe an =
apprentice's


decision to finish up early one day


.


I did check the o.d. of the other end of the coiled tube and found =
it to be=20
the same as the stick tubing (just like some of you said).   =
Soooooo=20
the consensus that the tube had frozen and expanded enough to prevent =
fittings=20
from going on the end was probably the right answer.  


 


after all the drain/ditch work and the repairs I installed a =
3/4=E2=80=9D ball=20
valve and opened the valve on the other end... so far (4 hours)... no =
leaks, no=20
fountains in the garage, no large wet spots in the yard


and I=E2=80=99m tired.  I should have done this 25 years ago =
when I built the=20
house and was in my 40=E2=80=99s.


 


thanks for all the advise, opinion, and discussion... once again =
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group has saved my bacon..


 


later


\john


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.....I need to dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray on woo=
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thanks
tim

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 If you continuously spray water on it for several years, it will probably
dissolve.

Doug


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If you continuously spray water on it for several years, it will proba=
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I just bought some of this to get rid of a tree stump: =
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I=E2=80=99ve put it in the stump, but won=E2=80=99t know if it really =
works or not for quite a while.

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Tim .  =
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> .....I need to dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray =
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> thanks
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I =
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I=E2=80=99ve put it in =
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while.

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.....I need to =
dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray on wood to =
somewhat slowly dissolve it?
thanks
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Nasty Stuff
Sulfuric Acid
Sodium Hydroxide (Lye).
Note that wood absorbs these things quickly.  You won't be able to control
the process.  And make sure you have a plan for dealing with the waste
before you start, these are nasty chemicals.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:01 PM Tim .  wrote:

> .....I need to dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray on
> wood to somewhat slowly dissolve it?
> thanks
> tim
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If you google "wood dissolver" you get a lot of options.  It would 
help to know what you are really trying to do.  If you are going for 
some sort of decorative effect, the approach will be different from 
dissolving old fence posts.

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If you google "wood dissolver" you get a lot of options. 
It would help to know what you are really trying to do.  If you are
going for some sort of decorative effect, the approach will be different
from dissolving old fence posts.  


-Steve


At 08:09 PM 10/26/2018, Doug Braun wrote:


If you continuously spray water
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What kind of wood (a tree stump, indoor furniture, a floorboard) and how
fast do you want it done?

If it's a tree stump and you've got a few months, the mold or bacteria you
can buy at hardware stores will take care of a stump.

If you want it gone quick and it's something else, sulfuric acid will easy
just about anything. Including anything near the hunk of wood you want gone.

What are you trying to disappear?


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 7:54 PM Tim .  wrote:

> .....I need to dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray on
> wood to somewhat slowly dissolve it?
> thanks
> tim
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the mold or bacteria you can buy at hardware stores will take care of a stu=
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If you want it gone =
quick and it's something else, sulfuric acid will easy just about anyth=
ing. Including anything near the hunk of wood you want gone.

What are you trying to disappear?

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018,=
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.....I need to dissolve wood. I believe it is pine. What can I spray on woo=
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thanks


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> And make sure you have a plan 
> for dealing with the waste before you start, these are nasty 
> chemicals.

I agree, but they are fairly easy to neutralize.  For acid, use a big box
(or two) of baking soda.  It will chemically react (foam and bubbles) to
form a (relatively) harmless salt and lots of CO2.  Keep applying until no
more reaction.

For lye, use vinegar.

Both processes do generate some heat, though, so if you have acid or lye on
your skin, it's probably best to flush with water first, then apply the
vinegar or baking soda.

Wear eye protection, clothing protection, etc.

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Thanks for the replies all.


I have both a stump and I want to do as well as old fence posts.


Didn't think of lye but sulfuric acid did cross my mine.


cheers

tim


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thanks
tim

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I have both a stump and I want to=
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cheers


tim










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It did rot - not sure how much it accelerated!


It was soft and easily knocked in in about a year - pine stump.

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The house attached to my garage is pier and beam with a crawl space.  On two=
 ends of the foundation are some vents which have removable covers. The cove=
rs have been on for many years,  The crawl space is bone dry.
The question, do need to remove the covers?  If so which season?
Thanks,
 Bob in Texas=20=

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The house attached to my garage is pier and beam with a crawl space.  On two ends of the foundation are some vents which have removable covers. The covers have been on for many years,  The crawl space is bone dry.


The question, do need to remove the covers?  If so which season?


Thanks,


 Bob in Texas 

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My understanding is the vents are there to keep humidity down. Moisture come=
s out of the dirt & from the house above. Some houses have poly on the dirt &=
 some have insulated floors, both of which cut down on the moisture. Take a l=
ook at the floor structure. Is there any sign of mold? If not, I wouldn=E2=80=
=99t bother taking the covers off. If there is, I=E2=80=99d take care of the=
 mold, repair any damage, add poly & leave the vents open. It wouldn=E2=80=99=
t hurt to have a fee contractors take a look & make suggestions.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Robert Nogueira  wrote:

The house attached to my garage is pier and beam with a crawl space.  On two=
 ends of the foundation are some vents which have removable covers. The cove=
rs have been on for many years,  The crawl space is bone dry.
The question, do need to remove the covers?  If so which season?
Thanks,
 Bob in Texas=20
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My understanding is the vents are there to k=
eep humidity down. Moisture comes out of the dirt & from the house above=
. Some houses have poly on the dirt & some have insulated floors, both o=
f which cut down on the moisture. Take a look at the floor structure. Is the=
re any sign of mold? If not, I wouldn=E2=80=99t bother taking the covers off=
. If there is, I=E2=80=99d take care of the mold, repair any damage, add pol=
y & leave the vents open. It wouldn=E2=80=99t hurt to have a fee contrac=
tors take a look & make suggestions. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne =

We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity


On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Robert Nogueira <nogera@me.com> wrote:

=
The house attached to my garage is pier and beam with a crawl space.  O=
n two ends of the foundation are some vents which have removable covers. The=
 covers have been on for many years,  The crawl space is bone dry.


The qu=
estion, do need to remove the covers?  If so which season?


Thanks=
,


 =
Bob in Texas 
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Guys,

I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
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Draw is 4 amps.

Thanks,

Scott

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I need=
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mps.

Thanks,=C2=A0
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Scott


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The answer is it probably depends on which part of the country you live 
in.  If you're in the eastern half of Texas where relative humidity 
levels in the summer might hover around 70%, you can make a strong 
argument that the vents should be shut year-round.  The idea that 
allowing cross-airflow to carry moisture out of the building doesn't 
work if the air you're outside air you're drawing in has even higher 
water content.

Decades ago, the belief was that crawlspaces needed to have good 
airflow.  Some people even replaced their vents with small fans.  These 
days the mindset, including that of the Department of Energy, seems to 
fall solidly into the seal-up-your-crawlspace school of thought.

J


On 10/30/18 10:57, Robert Nogueira wrote:
>
> The house attached to my garage is pier and beam with a crawl space.  
> On two ends of the foundation are some vents which have removable 
> covers. The covers have been on for many years,  The crawl space is 
> bone dry.
>
> The question, do need to remove the covers?  If so which season?
>
> Thanks,
>
>  Bob in Texas
>
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The answer is it probably depends on which part of the country
      you live in.  If you're in the eastern half of Texas where
      relative humidity levels in the summer might hover around 70%, you
      can make a strong argument that the vents should be shut
      year-round.  The idea that allowing cross-airflow to carry
      moisture out of the building doesn't work if the air you're
      outside air you're drawing in has even higher water content.  

    

    
Decades ago, the belief was that
      crawlspaces needed to have good airflow.  Some people even
      replaced their vents with small fans.  These days the mindset,
      including that of the Department of Energy, seems to fall solidly
      into the seal-up-your-crawlspace school of thought.

    

    


    

    
J

    


    

    


    

    
On 10/30/18 10:57, Robert Nogueira
      wrote:

    

    

      
      
The house attached to my garage is pier and beam
          with a crawl space.  On two ends of the foundation are some
          vents which have removable covers. The covers have been on for
          many years,  The crawl space is bone dry.

      
The question, do need to remove the covers?  If so
          which season?

      
Thanks,

      
 Bob in Texas 

      

      

      
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From: Jeff Scarbrough 
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 21:13:14 -0400
To: Scott Hall 
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge
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On Oct 30, 2018 8:57 PM, "Scott Hall"  wrote:

Guys,

I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
Draw is 4 amps.


What sort of load? Resistive, or ?

What sort of duty cycle?

What sort of duration?

In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to have some details.

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rote:
Gu=
ys,

I need about 300 get of ex=
tension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of those together w=
ithout a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

Wh=
at sort of load? Resistive, or ?

What sort of duty cycle?

What sort of duration?

In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to =
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From: Scott Hall 
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 20:18:18 -0500
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge
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Sigh. I have to admit this in a public forum?

It's a power tool. Comparable to a chainsaw. I wanted the gas version, but
I'll use it maybe twice a year, it's $40 vs. $200, and the electric one is
about half the weight.

I never thought I'd be the sort of person to own one of these, but here I
am...

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 8:13 PM Jeff Scarbrough  wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 30, 2018 8:57 PM, "Scott Hall" 
> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
> string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
> Draw is 4 amps.
>
>
> What sort of load? Resistive, or ?
>
> What sort of duty cycle?
>
> What sort of duration?
>
> In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to have some details.
>
>

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Sigh. I have to admit this in a public forum?
<=
div dir=3D"auto">
It's a power tool. Compara=
ble to a chainsaw. I wanted the gas version, but I'll use it maybe twic=
e a year, it's=C2=A0$40=C2=A0vs. $200,=C2=A0and the electric one is about half the weigh=
t.

I never thought I'=
;d be the sort of person to own one of these, but here I am...

On =
Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 8:13 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:


On Oct 30, 2018 8:57 PM, "Scott Hall" <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
I need about 300 get of extensio=
n cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of those together without=
 a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

What sor=
t of load? Resistive, or ?

What sort of duty cycle?

What sort of duration?

In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to have so=
me details.





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From: John Innis 
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 20:39:05 -0500
To: Scott Hall 
Cc: shop-talk 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge
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Depends on what you are going to do with it.  300' of 16awg drawing 4a will
drop about 9.5v.  Most things won't care about that low of a voltage drop.
But consider that you are loosing about 8% over that distance.  Also
consider surge loads like motors starting and such.  Powering a few lights,
no problem.  Starting a motor (like a drill or fridge compressor), might be
an issue.  If the motor start current is double the running current, you
now have a drop of over 19v this is a big hit.  By contrast, moving up to
14 gauge will get you down to about 6v drop or only 5% loss steady state
and 12v drop surge.  Might be worth it if you have larger surge loads and
equipment that cares.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM Scott Hall 
wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
> string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
> Draw is 4 amps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
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Depends on what you are going to do with it.=C2=A0 300'=
; of 16awg drawing 4a will drop about 9.5v.=C2=A0 Most things won't car=
e about that low of a voltage drop.=C2=A0 But consider that you are loosing=
 about 8% over that distance.=C2=A0 Also consider surge loads like motors s=
tarting and such.=C2=A0 Powering a few lights, no problem.=C2=A0 Starting a=
 motor (like a drill or fridge compressor), might be an issue.=C2=A0 If the=
 motor start current is double the running current, you now have a drop of =
over 19v this is a big hit.=C2=A0 By contrast, moving up to 14 gauge will g=
et you down to about 6v drop or only 5% loss steady state and 12v drop surg=
e.=C2=A0 Might be worth it if you have larger surge loads and equipment tha=
t cares.

On Tue, O=
ct 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,

I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at =
100 ft. Can I string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go =
up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

Thanks,=C2=A0

Scott

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References: 
From: Ian McFetridge 
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:04:21 -0400
To: Scott Hall 
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge
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What=E2=80=99s it powering and will it mind the voltage drop?
10 AWG will drop 3%
12 AWG will drop 5%
14 AWG is not recommended, so I assume 16 is definitely not recommended.
Here=E2=80=99s the online calculator I=E2=80=99ve used
http://www.paigewire.com/pumpWireCalc.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=3D1

Best,
Ian


On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:59 PM Scott Hall 
wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
> string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
> Draw is 4 amps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>

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What=E2=80=99s it powering and will it mind the volt=
age drop? =C2=A0
10 AWG will drop 3%
12 AWG will drop 5%
14 AWG is not reco=
mmended, so I assume 16 is definitely not recommended.=C2=A0
Here=E2=80=99s the online calculator I=E2=80=99ve used

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:59 PM Scott H=
all <scott.hall.persona=
l@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,

I need about 3=
00 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of thos=
e together without a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

Thanks,=C2=A0

Scott

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I'd suggest running some voltage drop calcs for that distance. We always
use 12 AWG for anything over 25 feet.

FWIW,
Ron

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wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
> string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
> Draw is 4 amps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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I'd suggest running some voltage drop calcs for that d=
istance. We always use 12 AWG for anything over 25 feet.

FWIW,
Ron

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r should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Scott Hall wrote:
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I
> string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size?
> Draw is 4 amps.



    Depends on your allowable voltage drop.  At 3%, this calculator says 
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It comes down to voltage drop.  You generally don't want voltage drop of 
more than around 5%.


At 4 amps, a 100ft 16ga cord is going to have a voltage drop of about 
3.5V.  This is okay.  At 300ft, the voltage drop will be about 9.5V.  
That's unacceptable.  Assuming your equipment still functions, your cord 
would be dissipating around 40W of heat due to internal resistance.

300ft of 14ga cord will have a drop of around 6V.  That's marginal.

12ga cord will have a drop of about 3.75V.  That's okay.

So go with 12ga cord.


J


On 10/30/18 15:54, Scott Hall wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can 
> I string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a 
> size? Draw is 4 amps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
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It comes down to voltage drop.  You generally don't want voltage
      drop of more than around 5%.

    

    


    

    
At 4 amps, a 100ft 16ga cord is going to have a voltage drop of
      about 3.5V.  This is okay.  At 300ft, the voltage drop will be
      about 9.5V.  That's unacceptable.  Assuming your equipment still
      functions, your cord would be dissipating around 40W of heat due
      to internal resistance.

    
300ft of 14ga cord will have a drop of around 6V.  That's
      marginal.

    
12ga cord will have a drop of about 3.75V.  That's okay.

    
So go with 12ga cord. 

    

    


    

    
J

    

    


    

    


    

    
On 10/30/18 15:54, Scott Hall wrote:

    

    

      
      
Guys,
        


        

        
I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG
          was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of those together without a
          problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.

        


        

        
Thanks, 

        


        

        
Scott

      

      

      

      
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There is a lot of guidance out there about =

selecting extension cords.  Here's one:

http://www.diybyexample.info/2010/07/what-size-extension-cord-do-i-need/

Scroll down to the table.  According to that, you =

should go up a couple of sizes.

-Steve T.

At 03:54 PM 10/30/2018, Scott Hall wrote:
>Guys,
>
>I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG =

>was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of those =

>together without a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.
>
>Thanks,=C2
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>Scott


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Comes back to =E2=80=98will it work=E2=80=99 which will depend on the =
device. In some places the utility companies are reducing line voltages =
to save energy =E2=80=93 and stuff still works.

Only issue with the 40W dissipation would be if the cable was still =
coiled up =E2=80=93 then it would build up, melt the insulation and be a =
hazard. Over 300 feet the heat per foot would be negligible =E2=80=93 in =
fact more or less the same as it would be whatever the length of cable =
(actually a bit less, as the current is less due to the combined =
resistance).

Neil

=20

From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of Jimmie =
Mayfield
Sent: 31 October 2018 02:56
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge

=20

It comes down to voltage drop.  You generally don't want voltage drop of =
more than around 5%.

=20

At 4 amps, a 100ft 16ga cord is going to have a voltage drop of about =
3.5V.  This is okay.  At 300ft, the voltage drop will be about 9.5V.  =
That's unacceptable.  Assuming your equipment still functions, your cord =
would be dissipating around 40W of heat due to internal resistance.

300ft of 14ga cord will have a drop of around 6V.  That's marginal.

12ga cord will have a drop of about 3.75V.  That's okay.

So go with 12ga cord.=20

=20

J

=20

=20

On 10/30/18 15:54, Scott Hall wrote:

Guys,=20

=20

I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I =
string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? =
Draw is 4 amps.

=20

Thanks,=20

=20

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Comes back =
to =E2=80=98will it work=E2=80=99 which will depend on the device. In =
some places the utility companies are reducing line voltages to save =
energy =E2=80=93 and stuff still works.
Only issue =
with the 40W dissipation would be if the cable was still coiled up =
=E2=80=93 then it would build up, melt the insulation and be a hazard. =
Over 300 feet the heat per foot would be negligible =E2=80=93 in fact =
more or less the same as it would be whatever the length of cable =
(actually a bit less, as the current is less due to the combined =
resistance).
Neil
 
From: Shop-talk =
<shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jimmie =
Mayfield
Sent: 31 October 2018 02:56
To: =
shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension =
cord length vs. wire gauge
 
It comes down to voltage =
drop.  You generally don't want voltage drop of more than around =
5%.
 
At 4 amps, a 100ft 16ga =
cord is going to have a voltage drop of about 3.5V.  This is =
okay.  At 300ft, the voltage drop will be about 9.5V.  That's =
unacceptable.  Assuming your equipment still functions, your cord =
would be dissipating around 40W of heat due to internal =
resistance.
300ft of 14ga cord will have a drop of =
around 6V.  That's marginal.
12ga cord will have a =
drop of about 3.75V.  That's okay.
So go with 12ga =
cord. 
 
J
 
 
On 10/30/18 15:54, Scott Hall =
wrote:
Guys, 
 
I =
need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I =
string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? =
Draw is 4 amps.
 
Thanks, 
 
Scott


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 16 AWG wire has a resistance of about 4 ohms per 1000 ft.=C2=A0 A 300 ft r=
un there and back will mean the current has a 600 ft round trip.=C2=A0 600 =
ft at 4 ohms per 1000ft means there is a total of 2.4 ohms.=C2=A0 2.4 ohms =
times 4 amps equals 9.6 volt drop in voltage.=C2=A0 If your load handles a =
10% drop in voltage you should be fine.
Keep in ind that the "Neutral" connection at the load will be about 5 volts=
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=C2=A0 It won't kill you but you will probably feel it if you do touch it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hall 
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Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 7:52 pm
Subject: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge

Guys,
I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I st=
ring 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw =
is 4 amps.
Thanks,=C2=A0
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 16 AWG wire has a resistance of about 4 ohms per 1000 ft.  A 300 ft run there and back will mean the current has a 600 ft round trip.  600 ft at 4 ohms per 1000ft means there is a total of 2.4 ohms.  2.4 ohms times 4 amps equals 9.6 volt drop in voltage.  If your load handles a 10% drop in voltage you should be fine.









Keep in ind that the "Neutral" connection at the load will be about 5 volts above earth ground but if that is all insulated there should be no issue.  It won't kill you but you will probably feel it if you do touch it.





 





Dave 







 





 





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To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 7:52 pm

Subject: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge







Guys,







I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw is 4 amps.









Thanks, 









Scott





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e with a shaky confidence level in his manhood would feel emasculated using=
 an electric chainsaw.=C2=A0=20

Electric makes a lot of sense for a power tool that is used infrequently.=
=C2=A0 Gas goes bad, carbs foul up, oil goes stale.=C2=A0 All these issues =
go away with electric.
The 10 volt drop I predicted in a previous post will result in a slightly s=
lower chainsaw but you may not even notice.
=20
Dave (I have an electric chainsaw and I use it every couple of years, brief=
ly)

=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hall 
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net 
Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:07 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge

Sigh. I have to admit this in a public forum?
It's a power tool. Comparable to a chainsaw. I wanted the gas version, but =
I'll use it maybe twice a year, it's=C2=A0$40=C2=A0vs. $200,=C2=A0and the e=
lectric one is about half the weight.
I never thought I'd be the sort of person to own one of these, but here I a=
m...
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 8:13 PM Jeff Scarbrough  wrote:



On Oct 30, 2018 8:57 PM, "Scott Hall"  wrote=
:

Guys,
I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can I st=
ring 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? Draw =
is 4 amps.

What sort of load? Resistive, or ?
What sort of duty cycle?
What sort of duration?
In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to have some details.

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 Hey!  There's no shame in using an electric cha=
insaw.  Only those with a shaky confidence level in his manhood would =
feel emasculated using an electric chainsaw.  











Electric makes a lot of sense for a power tool that i=
s used infrequently.  Gas goes bad, carbs foul up, oil goes stale.&nbs=
p; All these issues go away with electric.









The 10 volt drop I predicted in a previous post will =
result in a slightly slower chainsaw but you may not even notice.




 





Dave (I have an=
 electric chainsaw and I use it every couple of years, briefly)







 





 





-----=
Original Message-----

From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>

To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2018 12:07 am

Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge











Sigh. I have to admit this in a public forum?







It's a power tool. Comparable to a chainsaw. I wanted the gas version,=
 but I'll use it maybe twice a year, it's $40 vs. $200,&=
nbsp;and the electric one is about half the weight.







I never thought I'd be the sort of person to own one of these, but her=
e I am...










On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 8:13 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:












On Oct 30, 2018 8:57 PM, "Scott Hal=
l" <scott.ha=
ll.personal@gmail.com> wrote:


Guys,





I need about 300 get of extension cord. 16 AWG was fine at 100 ft. Can=
 I string 3 of those together without a problem, or should I go up a size? =
Draw is 4 amps.















What sort of load? Resistive, or ?







What sort of duty cycle?







What sort of duration?







In general, it's probably ok, but still wouldn't hurt to have some det=
ails.





























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OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can use it for 
a lot of other things.  I have this model and I run a firewood farm.  My 
jaw dropped the first time I use this thing.

It is a beast, the batteries do last long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I 
think that is why the performance is so great.

Arguments for...

-It's way safer than a gas powered unit
-You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making this 
augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with 
the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.  You don't want that, do you?)*
-Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this 
awesomeness
-the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is 
possible more tool goodness to come.
-Did I mention bragging rights?
-You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make 
bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)
-You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair
-It's Dewalt, so that is cool

Just some food for thought.

*= I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I do not know anything about long term 
marriages,so this may not work.  YMMV.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph 
Waldo Emerson 
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OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you
looked at this...



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1



A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse
to buy a tool, AND you can use it for a lot of other things.  I have
this model and I run a firewood farm.  My jaw dropped the first time
I use this thing.



It is a beast, the batteries do last
long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I think that is why the performance
is so great.



Arguments for...



-It's way safer than a gas powered unit

-You do not need to worry about extension
cords (if you are making this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if
I accidentally nick the wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.
 You don't want that, do you?)*

-Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric
saw, you get to proclaim this awesomeness

-the batteries are compatible with other
Dewalt items, SO there is possible more tool goodness to come.

-Did I mention bragging rights?

-You can even use to it trim wood to
use in projects, like if you make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I
do use this for it.)

-You can use it inside if you need to
do demo/home repair

-It's Dewalt, so that is cool



Just some food for thought.



*= I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I
do not know anything about long term marriages,so this may not work.  YMMV.





Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.

Tech Viper

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
Waldo Emerson 
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> -You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make 
> bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)
> -You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair

- There might be a career in ice-sculpture carving ahead.

John.
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From: Scott Hall 
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:48:50 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord length vs. wire gauge
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It's a hedge-trimmer.

A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.

I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I like
it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda rich ones, with
yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice.

I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I own a house
with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at
the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as anything else, I
don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I
already bought this as a foreclosure and they're all kind of acting like I
saved that end of the street from an ogre.

This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles all
weekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a
guy for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than
my house, I think. I'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I
make. I don't want to own any "hedges". At least not the plant kind.

But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to be a good neighbor, and
they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me bringing down their
property values. And how much this is getting to me is ALSO getting to me.

But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort
of cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle.

I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I don't
want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap an expansion
chamber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also problematic for me)
the grown up in my head is noting that might be a pointless waste of money.
These things need to be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...and I don't
envision myself becoming the sort of person that schools sculpts and
topiary.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge
trimmer for that setup.

Convince me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going
all-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last
a few months each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I
got tired of spending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale.

How long are those lasting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can they
sit for months and still hold a charge when used again or do I have to baby
them?

Thanks,

Scott

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM  OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this...
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can use it for
> a lot of other things.  I have this model and I run a firewood farm.  My
> jaw dropped the first time I use this thing.
>
> It is a beast, the batteries do last long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I
> think that is why the performance is so great.
>
> Arguments for...
>
> -It's way safer than a gas powered unit
> -You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making this
> augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with the
> chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.  You don't want that, do you?)*
> -Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this
> awesomeness
> -the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is
> possible more tool goodness to come.
> -Did I mention bragging rights?
> -You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make
> bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)
> -You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair
> -It's Dewalt, so that is cool
>
> Just some food for thought.
>
> *= I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I do not know anything about long term
> marriages,so this may not work.  YMMV.
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
> Tech Viper
> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational
> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
> Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________
>
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It's a hedge-trimmer.

A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.
=


I went and bought a house wit=
h...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I like it. In a neighborhood. A ni=
ce one. With neighbors. Kinda rich ones, with yard people that keep their y=
ards looking _very_ nice.=C2=A0

I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I ow=
n a house with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I=
 looked at the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as a=
nything else, I don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down=
 their neighborhood. I already bought this as a foreclosure and they're=
 all kind of acting like I saved that end of the street from an ogre.
=


This is actually kind of a th=
ing for me. I used to race motorcycles all weekend. People that "have =
people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a guy for stuff back ho=
me--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than my house, I think=
. I'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I make. I don=
9;t want to own any "hedges". At least not the plant kind.=C2=A0<=
/div>

But I like this house, o=
n this lot, and I'd like to be a good neighbor, and they're nice fo=
lks and probably don't deserve me bringing down their property values. =
And how much this is getting to me is ALSO getting to me.

But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimme=
r for these hedges and some sort of cover plant that I like along the drive=
way. He called it honeysuckle.

I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I do=
n't want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap =
an expansion chamber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also problem=
atic for me) the grown up in my head is noting that might be a pointless wa=
ste of money. These things need to be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...=
and I don't envision myself becoming the sort of person that schools sc=
ulpts and topiary.

Anywa=
y, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge trimme=
r for that setup.

Convin=
ce me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going all-in on =
Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last a few mont=
hs each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I got tired o=
f spending $60=C2=A0a pop for new packs. On sa=
le.

How long are those l=
asting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can they sit for months and =
still hold a charge when used again or do I have to baby them?

Thanks,=C2=A0

Scott

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM  <eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I hate to be 'that =
guy' but have you
looked at this...



https://www.amazon.com=
/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1=




A little pricey, BUT it is an excu=
se
to buy a tool, AND you can use it for a lot of other things.=C2=A0 I have
this model and I run a firewood farm.=C2=A0 My jaw dropped the first time
I use this thing.



It is a beast, the batteries do la=
st
long.=C2=A0 The kerf is very narrow, so I think that is why the performance
is so great.



Arguments for...



-It's way safer than a gas pow=
ered unit

-You do not need to worry about ex=
tension
cords (if you are making this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if
I accidentally nick the wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.
=C2=A0You don't want that, do you?)*

-Instead of being 'ashamed'=
; of the electric
saw, you get to proclaim this awesomeness

-the batteries are compatible with=
 other
Dewalt items, SO there is possible more tool goodness to come.

-Did I mention bragging rights?

-You can even use to it trim wood =
to
use in projects, like if you make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I
do use this for it.)

-You can use it inside if you need=
 to
do demo/home repair

-It's Dewalt, so that is cool<=
/font>



Just some food for thought.



*=3D I'm a 47 year old bachelo=
r.=C2=A0 I
do not know anything about long term marriages,so this may not work.=C2=A0 =
YMMV.





Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.

Tech Viper

"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
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being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
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> It's a power tool. Comparable to a chainsaw.

So, using 300ft of 16 AWG is going to limit to some extent how powerful your
tool is.  The question becomes: Are you willing to live with perhaps 20%
less power?

If you have the cord available, I'd give it a try.

-- Randall 
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I think that a battery-powered trimmer would not cost much more than all tha=
t cord. I have an E-Go trimmer from Home Depot, and I=E2=80=99m worn out bef=
ore it even slows down.=20



=F0=9F=8D=84 Statistically, six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy.=20

> On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Scott Hall  wr=
ote:
>=20
> It's a hedge-trimmer.
>=20
> A goddamned hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.
>=20
> I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice house and I like i=
t. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda rich ones, with yard=
 people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice.=20
>=20
> I am having more than a little difficulty with the idea that I own a house=
 with shrubs that need to be maintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at=
 the house, butt I guess it didn't register. And as much as anything else, I=
 don't want the neighbors to think I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I a=
lready bought this as a foreclosure and they're all kind of acting like I sa=
ved that end of the street from an ogre.
>=20
> This is actually kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles all we=
ekend. People that "have people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a gu=
y for stuff back home--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than my h=
ouse, I think. I'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I make. I=
 don't want to own any "hedges". At least not the plant kind.=20
>=20
> But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like to be a good neighbor, an=
d they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me bringing down their prope=
rty values. And how much this is getting to me is ALSO getting to me.
>=20
> But anyway, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort o=
f cover plant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle.
>=20
> I dislike the idea of even owning a *hedge trimmer* enough that I don't wa=
nt to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the gas version and slap an expansion ch=
amber on it and get my rocks off that way, but (also problematic for me) the=
 grown up in my head is noting that might be a pointless waste of money. The=
se things need to be cut twice a year, max, I'd bet...and I don't envision m=
yself becoming the sort of person that schools sculpts and topiary.
>=20
> Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge trim=
mer for that setup.
>=20
> Convince me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going all=
-in on Milwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last a fe=
w months each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I got ti=
red of spending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale.
>=20
> How long are those lasting you? How frequently do you charge them? Can the=
y sit for months and still hold a charge when used again or do I have to bab=
y them?
>=20
> Thanks,=20
>=20
> Scott
>=20
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM > OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you looked at this...=20
>>=20
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpa=
ge?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1=20
>>=20
>> A little pricey, BUT it is an excuse to buy a tool, AND you can use it fo=
r a lot of other things.  I have this model and I run a firewood farm.  My j=
aw dropped the first time I use this thing.=20
>>=20
>> It is a beast, the batteries do last long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I=
 think that is why the performance is so great.=20
>>=20
>> Arguments for...=20
>>=20
>> -It's way safer than a gas powered unit=20
>> -You do not need to worry about extension cords (if you are making this a=
ugment to an SO, also add "Honey, if I accidentally nick the wire with the c=
hainsaw, I might get electrocuted.  You don't want that, do you?)*=20
>> -Instead of being 'ashamed' of the electric saw, you get to proclaim this=
 awesomeness=20
>> -the batteries are compatible with other Dewalt items, SO there is possib=
le more tool goodness to come.=20
>> -Did I mention bragging rights?=20
>> -You can even use to it trim wood to use in projects, like if you make bo=
wls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I do use this for it.)=20
>> -You can use it inside if you need to do demo/home repair=20
>> -It's Dewalt, so that is cool=20
>>=20
>> Just some food for thought.=20
>>=20
>> *=3D I'm a 47 year old bachelor.  I do not know anything about long term m=
arriages,so this may not work.  YMMV.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
>> Tech Viper
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational=
 being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Wald=
o Emerson _______________________________________________
>>=20
>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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I think that a battery-powered trimmer woul=
d not cost much more than all that cord. I have an E-Go trimmer from Home De=
pot, and I=E2=80=99m worn out before it even slows down. 



=F0=9F=8D=
=84 Statistically, six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy. 

On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:<=
br>
It=
's a hedge-trimmer.

A goddamned=
 hedge trimmer for the the goddamned hedges.

I went and bought a house with...shrubbery. It's a nice h=
ouse and I like it. In a neighborhood. A nice one. With neighbors. Kinda ric=
h ones, with yard people that keep their yards looking _very_ nice. 

I am having more than a lit=
tle difficulty with the idea that I own a house with shrubs that need to be m=
aintained. I mean, I saw them when I looked at the house, butt I guess it di=
dn't register. And as much as anything else, I don't want the neighbors to t=
hink I'm bringing down their neighborhood. I already bought this as a forecl=
osure and they're all kind of acting like I saved that end of the street fro=
m an ogre.

This is actual=
ly kind of a thing for me. I used to race motorcycles all weekend. People th=
at "have people" make my ass twitch a little bit. I got a guy for stuff back=
 home--they have...staff. One guy's watch cost more than my house, I think. I=
'm not sure I belong here, no matter how much money I make. I don't want to o=
wn any "hedges". At least not the plant kind. 
<=
br>
But I like this house, on this lot, and I'd like t=
o be a good neighbor, and they're nice folks and probably don't deserve me b=
ringing down their property values. And how much this is getting to me is AL=
SO getting to me.

But any=
way, I need a f*ck#ng hedge trimmer for these hedges and some sort of cover p=
lant that I like along the driveway. He called it honeysuckle.

I dislike the idea of even owning a *h=
edge trimmer* enough that I don't want to spend any coin on it. I'd buy the g=
as version and slap an expansion chamber on it and get my rocks off that way=
, but (also problematic for me) the grown up in my head is noting that might=
 be a pointless waste of money. These things need to be cut twice a year, ma=
x, I'd bet...and I don't envision myself becoming the sort of person that sc=
hools sculpts and topiary.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Eric. I'll see if I can get a hedge trim=
mer for that setup.

Convi=
nce me about battery life. I swore off cordless tools after going all-in on M=
ilwaukee 18v kit twenty years ago and having the batteries last a few months=
 each. I have this whole ecosystem of useless tools because I got tired of s=
pending $60 a pop for new packs. On sale.<=
/div>

How long are those lastin=
g you? How frequently do you charge them? Can they sit for months and still h=
old a charge when used again or do I have to baby them?

Thanks, 

Scott

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:11 PM  <eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I hate to be 'that guy' but have you
looked at this...



<=
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/product/B01NBVCQ4W/ref=3Doh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1



A little pricey, BUT it is an excus=
e
to buy a tool, AND you can use it for a lot of other things.  I have
this model and I run a firewood farm.  My jaw dropped the first time
I use this thing.



It is a beast, the batteries do las=
t
long.  The kerf is very narrow, so I think that is why the performance
is so great.



Arguments for...



-It's way safer than a gas powered u=
nit

-You do not need to worry about ext=
ension
cords (if you are making this augment to an SO, also add "Honey, if
I accidentally nick the wire with the chainsaw, I might get electrocuted.
 You don't want that, do you?)*

-Instead of being 'ashamed' of the e=
lectric
saw, you get to proclaim this awesomeness

-the batteries are compatible with o=
ther
Dewalt items, SO there is possible more tool goodness to come.

-Did I mention bragging rights?

-You can even use to it trim wood t=
o
use in projects, like if you make bowls, carvings or pens on a lathe (I
do use this for it.)

-You can use it inside if you need t=
o
do demo/home repair

-It's Dewalt, so that is cool



Just some food for thought.



*=3D I'm a 47 year old bachelor.&nb=
sp; I
do not know anything about long term marriages,so this may not work.  Y=
MMV.





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