Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Question to ponder- When someone brings their vehicle to your garage, do you do the work or do you let them do it?

From: "John T. Blair" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:40:42 -0400

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At 10:38 AM 9/20/2018, [email-masked] wrote:

 >I just wanted to start a little conversation about a question that 
bothers me (albeit very little.)
 >When someone brings their vehicle to your garage, do you do the 
work or do you let them do
 >it?

Eric,

Apparently Canada isn't as sue happy as the US.  I have always helped people
work on their cars.  But about 15 yrs ago, I did some work on the carb. on a
neighbors car.  When I was finished, I told her what I'd done, and 
that the work was to the fuel system.  I also (I guess I made a 
mistake) told her that if she smells gas not to keep driving the car, 
and call me or have the car towed to as shop.

This lady bearly knew where the key went, and I know she didn't have 
any idea she was  sitting on a bomb.  I guess she's never watch any 
action shows on TV or
the movies.

That got me to thinking.  If I work on someone's car for free or they give me
some money, and then something happens to the car, what's going to happen?
For example, I work in the brakes, and the engine catches fire,  I 
change the right
front tire for them, and the left rear wheel falls off while they are 
driving.  You hear
this kind of thing all the time at the shops.

Well I don't have insurance to cover me as a mechanic.  So if they sue me, I
loose everything I have.  That doesn't seem like a good return on my 
efforts which I gave for free, or they gave me a few dollars for.

So now, I will only HELP people work on their cars.  I will supply 
the knowledge, education and tools.  But they are going to turn the 
wrenches.  If there's a
problem I'll step in to help.  But now if they changed the air filter 
and the rear
wheel falls off, they can't sue me.  Well they can, but they are 
equally or more
culpable then me.

As to knowing what tools will be needed and where they are, I handle 
that.  I'll give
the a task to start working on, then I'll get the tools they'll need 
next.  I'm free to
walk around and get the tools for them.  Don't have to have 
everything laid out
like a surgeon.

Now when they're done, if they give me a couple of bucks, I look at 
it as it was for
the class not the work!

John

>Here is the context, due to my garage, everyone I offer to help 
>brings their vehicles to me to fix.  Once there, I do the work for 
>the most part.  I enjoy doing it, so it's no big deal.
>
>But a few people commented that they expected to do most if not all 
>the work once there.
>
>I understand that they may enjoy working on the cars as well, but 
>here is my thought about it...
>
>One, since it's my garage, I know where every tools, part, etc is 
>located.  I know what I have and don't have.  When doing the work, I 
>know what equipment I have will work the best for the situation.
>Also, I also know where to put everything back when I'm done.
>
>This is the fastest and most effective way to do the work in my opinion.
>
>I realize that this takes away their ability to learn through first 
>hand experience, but I do include them in the work when possible.
>
>So, what is the proper way to handle this?  Is it a "home rule" 
>thing, or a should I step aside and let them do all the work?
>
>One more thing, if they are doing the work and break something on 
>their car that requires a trip to the auto parts store, I now have 
>to drive them there (this I don't like.)  At least if I break it, I 
>don't mind the trip as much.
>
>What's your take?
>
>
>Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
>Tech Viper
>"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a 
>rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your 
>territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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<font size=3>At 10:38 AM 9/20/2018, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br>
&gt;</font><font size=2>I just wanted to start a little conversation
about a question that bothers me (albeit very
little.)</font><font size=3> <br>
&gt;</font><font size=2>When someone brings their vehicle to your garage,
do you do the work or do you let them do <br>
</font><font size=3>&gt;</font><font size=2>it?</font><font size=3>
<br><br>
Eric,<br><br>
Apparently Canada isn't as sue happy as the US.&nbsp; I have always
helped people <br>
work on their cars.&nbsp; But about 15 yrs ago, I did some work on the
carb. on a <br>
neighbors car.&nbsp; When I was finished, I told her what I'd done, and
that the work was to the fuel system.&nbsp; I also (I guess I made a
mistake) told her that if she smells gas not to keep driving the car, and
call me or have the car towed to as shop.<br><br>
This lady bearly knew where the key went, and I know she didn't have any
idea she was&nbsp; sitting on a bomb.&nbsp; I guess she's never watch any
action shows on TV or <br>
the movies.<br><br>
That got me to thinking.&nbsp; If I work on someone's car for free or
they give me <br>
some money, and then something happens to the car, what's going to
happen?<br>
For example, I work in the brakes, and the engine catches fire,&nbsp; I
change the right <br>
front tire for them, and the left rear wheel falls off while they are
driving.&nbsp; You hear <br>
this kind of thing all the time at the shops.<br><br>
Well I don't have insurance to cover me as a mechanic.&nbsp; So if they
sue me, I <br>
loose everything I have.&nbsp; That doesn't seem like a good return on my
efforts which I gave for free, or they gave me a few dollars
for.<br><br>
So now, I will only HELP people work on their cars.&nbsp; I will supply
the knowledge, education and tools.&nbsp; But they are going to turn the
wrenches.&nbsp; If there's a <br>
problem I'll step in to help.&nbsp; But now if they changed the air
filter and the rear <br>
wheel falls off, they can't sue me.&nbsp; Well they can, but they are
equally or more <br>
culpable then me.<br><br>
As to knowing what tools will be needed and where they are, I handle
that.&nbsp; I'll give<br>
the a task to start working on, then I'll get the tools they'll need
next.&nbsp; I'm free to<br>
walk around and get the tools for them.&nbsp; Don't have to have
everything laid out <br>
like a surgeon.<br><br>
Now when they're done, if they give me a couple of bucks, I look at it as
it was for<br>
the class not the work!<br><br>
John<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Here is the
context, due to my garage, everyone I offer to help brings their vehicles
to me to fix.&nbsp; Once there, I do the work for the most part.&nbsp; I
enjoy doing it, so it's no big deal.</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>But a few people commented that they expected to do
most if not all the work once there.</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>I understand that they may enjoy working on the cars
as well, but here is my thought about it...</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>One, since it's my garage, I know where every tools,
part, etc is located.&nbsp; I know what I have and don't have.&nbsp; When
doing the work, I know what equipment I have will work the best for the
situation.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>Also, I also know where to put everything back when
I'm done.</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>This is the fastest and most effective way to do the
work in my opinion. </font><font size=3><br><br>
</font><font size=2>I realize that this takes away their ability to learn
through first hand experience, but I do include them in the work when
possible.</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>So, what is the proper way to handle this?&nbsp; Is
it a &quot;home rule&quot; thing, or a should I step aside and let them
do all the work?</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>One more thing, if they are doing the work and break
something on their car that requires a trip to the auto parts store, I
now have to drive them there (this I don't like.)&nbsp; At least if I
break it, I don't mind the trip as much.</font><font size=3> <br><br>
</font><font size=2>What's your take?</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2><br><br>
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rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your
territory.&quot; Ralph Waldo Emerson </font><font size=3><br>
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John makes excellent points to consider.

John, I have to say, that what you stated changed my view completely. 
Note, I only work on close friends stuff, but you point does resonate.

You know, if I do it this way, I can even stay clean!  8>)

Thanks for the input.  I'm glad I asked the question.

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">John makes excellent points to consider.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">John, I have to say, that what you stated
changed my view completely. &nbsp;Note, I only work on close friends stuff,
but you point does resonate.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">You know, if I do it this way, I can
even stay clean! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks for the input. &nbsp;I'm glad
I asked the question.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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At 01:47 PM 9/20/2018, [email-masked] wrote:

 >John, I have to say, that what you stated changed my view 
completely.  Note, I only work on
 >close friends stuff, but you point does resonate.

Eric,

I too work only on people I know very well.  No strangers.  But they 
way things
are going, you can never be too sure.  Maybe I'm just to much of a wimp.  But
then again, look at all the carriers of men that have been ruined 
over something that may or may not have happened 20 or more years 
ago.  What happend to
being innocent until proven guilty.

And there people weren't sued or arrested.

Then look at Gen Flinn.  Lost everything trying to defend himself to 
congress and
he didn't do anything wrong.

So yes, I don't trust the system at all any more.  Color me very cautious.

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<font size=3>At 01:47 PM 9/20/2018, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br>
&gt;</font><font size=2>John, I have to say, that what you stated changed
my view completely.&nbsp; Note, I only work on <br>
&gt;close friends stuff, but you point does resonate.</font><font size=3>
<br><br>
Eric,<br><br>
I too work only on people I know very well.&nbsp; No strangers.&nbsp; But
they way things <br>
are going, you can never be too sure.&nbsp; Maybe I'm just to much of a
wimp.&nbsp; But<br>
then again, look at all the carriers of men that have been ruined over
something that may or may not have happened 20 or more years ago.&nbsp;
What happend to <br>
being innocent until proven guilty.<br><br>
And there people weren't sued or arrested.&nbsp; <br><br>
Then look at Gen Flinn.&nbsp; Lost everything trying to defend himself to
congress and<br>
he didn't do anything wrong.<br><br>
So yes, I don't trust the system at all any more.&nbsp; Color me very
cautious.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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Check with your homeowners insurance agent.  Often times the personal
liability on your homeowners policy will cover this as long as you are not
doing it commercially.  IANAL but I was told that if I don't make enough to
qualify for business deductions on my taxes, they can't consider my
activities commercial in nature.  Either way talk to your insurance agent.
If necessary add an umbrella liability policy.  They are not that expensive
and add a lot of coverage.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:40 PM, John T. Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:

> >When someone brings their vehicle to your garage, do you do the work or
> do you let them do
> >it?
>
> Eric,
>
> neighbors car.  When I was finished, I told her what I'd done, and that
> the work was to the fuel system.  I also (I guess I made a mistake) told
> her that if she smells gas not to keep driving the car, and call me or have
> the car towed to as shop.
>
> idea she was  sitting on a bomb.  I guess she's never watch any action
> shows on TV or
> the movies.
>
> For example, I work in the brakes, and the engine catches fire,  I change
> the right
> So now, I will only HELP people work on their cars.  I will supply the
> knowledge, education and tools.  But they are going to turn the wrenches.
> If there's a
> problem I'll step in to help.  But now if they changed the air filter and
> the rear
> wheel falls off, they can't sue me.  Well they can, but they are equally
> or more
> culpable then me.
>
> walk around and get the tools for them.  Don't have to have everything
> laid out
> like a surgeon.
>
> it was for
> Here is the context, due to my garage, everyone I offer to help brings
> their vehicles to me to fix.  Once there, I do the work for the most part.
> I enjoy doing it, so it's no big deal.
>
> But a few people commented that they expected to do most if not all the
> work once there.
>
> I understand that they may enjoy working on the cars as well, but here is
> my thought about it...
>
> located.  I know what I have and don't have.  When doing the work, I know
> what equipment I have will work the best for the situation.
> I realize that this takes away their ability to learn through first hand
> experience, but I do include them in the work when possible.
>
> So, what is the proper way to handle this?  Is it a "home rule" thing, or
> a should I step aside and let them do all the work?
>
> One more thing, if they are doing the work and break something on their
> car that requires a trip to the auto parts store, I now have to drive them
> there (this I don't like.)  At least if I break it, I don't mind the trip
> as much.
>
> What's your take?
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Check with your homeowners insurance agent.=C2=A0 Often ti=
mes the personal liability on your homeowners policy will cover this as lon=
g as you are not doing it commercially.=C2=A0 IANAL but I was told that if =
I don&#39;t make enough to qualify for business deductions on my taxes, the=
y can&#39;t consider my activities commercial in nature.=C2=A0 Either way t=
alk to your insurance agent.=C2=A0 If necessary add an umbrella liability p=
olicy.=C2=A0 They are not that expensive and add a lot of coverage.<br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 20,=
 2018 at 12:40 PM, John T. Blair <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jb=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
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<font size=3D"3">At 10:38 AM 9/20/2018, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br>
&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">I just wanted to start a little conversation
about a question that bothers me (albeit very
little.)</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">When someone brings their vehicle to your garag=
e,
do you do the work or do you let them do <br>
</font><font size=3D"3">&gt;</font><font size=3D"2">it?</font></span><font =
size=3D"3">
<br><br>
Eric,<br><br>
Apparently Canada isn&#39;t as sue happy as the US.=C2=A0 I have always
helped people <br>
work on their cars.=C2=A0 But about 15 yrs ago, I did some work on the
carb. on a <br>
neighbors car.=C2=A0 When I was finished, I told her what I&#39;d done, and
that the work was to the fuel system.=C2=A0 I also (I guess I made a
mistake) told her that if she smells gas not to keep driving the car, and
call me or have the car towed to as shop.<br><br>
This lady bearly knew where the key went, and I know she didn&#39;t have an=
y
idea she was=C2=A0 sitting on a bomb.=C2=A0 I guess she&#39;s never watch a=
ny
action shows on TV or <br>
the movies.<br><br>
That got me to thinking.=C2=A0 If I work on someone&#39;s car for free or
they give me <br>
some money, and then something happens to the car, what&#39;s going to
happen?<br>
For example, I work in the brakes, and the engine catches fire,=C2=A0 I
change the right <br>
front tire for them, and the left rear wheel falls off while they are
driving.=C2=A0 You hear <br>
this kind of thing all the time at the shops.<br><br>
Well I don&#39;t have insurance to cover me as a mechanic.=C2=A0 So if they
sue me, I <br>
loose everything I have.=C2=A0 That doesn&#39;t seem like a good return on =
my
efforts which I gave for free, or they gave me a few dollars
for.<br><br>
So now, I will only HELP people work on their cars.=C2=A0 I will supply
the knowledge, education and tools.=C2=A0 But they are going to turn the
wrenches.=C2=A0 If there&#39;s a <br>
problem I&#39;ll step in to help.=C2=A0 But now if they changed the air
filter and the rear <br>
wheel falls off, they can&#39;t sue me.=C2=A0 Well they can, but they are
equally or more <br>
culpable then me.<br><br>
As to knowing what tools will be needed and where they are, I handle
that.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll give<br>
the a task to start working on, then I&#39;ll get the tools they&#39;ll nee=
d
next.=C2=A0 I&#39;m free to<br>
walk around and get the tools for them.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t have to have
everything laid out <br>
like a surgeon.<br><br>
Now when they&#39;re done, if they give me a couple of bucks, I look at it =
as
it was for<br>
the class not the work!<br><br>
John<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
</font><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"m_1754676428436097735cite"><span =
class=3D""><font size=3D"2">Here is the
context, due to my garage, everyone I offer to help brings their vehicles
to me to fix.=C2=A0 Once there, I do the work for the most part.=C2=A0 I
enjoy doing it, so it&#39;s no big deal.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">But a few people commented that they expected to do
most if not all the work once there.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">I understand that they may enjoy working on the car=
s
as well, but here is my thought about it...</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br=
</font><font size=3D"2">One, since it&#39;s my garage, I know where every t=
ools,
part, etc is located.=C2=A0 I know what I have and don&#39;t have.=C2=A0 Wh=
en
doing the work, I know what equipment I have will work the best for the
situation.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2">Also, I also know where to put everything back when
I&#39;m done.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">This is the fastest and most effective way to do th=
e
work in my opinion. </font><font size=3D"3"><br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">I realize that this takes away their ability to lea=
rn
through first hand experience, but I do include them in the work when
possible.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">So, what is the proper way to handle this?=C2=A0 Is
it a &quot;home rule&quot; thing, or a should I step aside and let them
do all the work?</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><br>
</font><font size=3D"2">One more thing, if they are doing the work and brea=
k
something on their car that requires a trip to the auto parts store, I
now have to drive them there (this I don&#39;t like.)=C2=A0 At least if I
break it, I don&#39;t mind the trip as much.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br><b=
r>
</font><font size=3D"2">What&#39;s your take?</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font></span><font size=3D"2"><br><br><span class=3D"">
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