Guys,

I left my house in earlier this f= all for an extended work trip. I got back a week ago. Gone maybe...three mo= nths total?

I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not= sure how I managed that but I cleaned everything out and haven't seen = them again.

I also have a mouse problem in the kit= chen. I didn't see any evidence of mice when I got home initially, but = I left a chocolate bar on the kitchen counter the second night (wrapped in = its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse ate through the wrapper.

I= put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring th= e trap.

I put out glue traps. The thing flipped ov= er the trap and clearly was stuck to it, but got away.

I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in f= act, I assume there are), but I've just seen the one.

I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them)= die in the walls.

I have no idea how they're = getting up on the counter to start with--I don't see any openings in an= ything and I can't believe the thing is crawling up the side of the cou= nter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for.

= Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More glue = traps?

I'm leaving again until after new years= --the house will be cold enough that I don't mind a dead mouse in a tra= p while I'm gone (and people will be checking the house for me, this ti= me).

Any advice welcome.

= Thanks.

Scott

--001a113ee5e2528a6c054306adc1-- --===============0675307139220869802== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0675307139220869802==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 05:44:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B767525893AE for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 05:44:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A731258952F for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 05:10:01 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:10:49 -0500 12/07/2016 07:11:05 AM, Serialize complete at 12/07/2016 07:11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3236019152148646051== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0042E75185258082_= Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time. If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. (I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.) They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.) Also, check your local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take care of anything outside. Just some things to think about. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0042E75185258082_= Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time.

If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. (I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.)

They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.)

Also, check your local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take care of anything outside.

Just some things to think about.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0042E75185258082_=-- --===============3236019152148646051== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3236019152148646051==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 06:29:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F942589486 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:29:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38F92588EA9 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 05:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DE06007E32 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 04:39:41 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=a+0i4HiOVNfQLMx+ozFqRI5PxE0=; b=hZDuEIkv49b3 p1aDzA62q6z+kf5DvQop8B4bezHQompN4Nquy/qHilSyp85Q13c+eaKU6+QaFeyE 4T4LaWb/1zPcQG/A3eS2i/amx2JrUl1ZvnFMOPPHtgtDuaWaDG6mJgQvzcMlfRqS drrivld9/+ka3PRILYb6EC2t9H1t44Y= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA6296007E2D for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 04:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:39:38 -0500 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bait brings the poison outside where cats and owls ingest it. Glue traps cause considerable discomfort when the mouse chews off its own limbs to get away. Spring traps need to be placed against a wall since that's how mice usually travel. But put the short end against the wall, not the long end. Use peanut butter for bait, and smoosh it into the bait tab, don't just lay it on top. Make them work for it so they put pressure on the bait tab. I've caught dozens this way. You likely have a few nests in different parts of the house, so put traps all over if you'll be gone for a while. Once they set up shop, they multiply quickly. Given what I just went through with them in my ceiling, I'd buy 20 traps and lay them all out. I've also heard good things about the rat zapper but they're pricier and fill up. Baby mice (which you likely have by now) may be too small to get trapped by the arm, and might be too gentle to spring the trap, but will be big enough in a few weeks. I use the Home Depot $1 Victor traps with the copper bait tab. I've also used the ones wit the "fake cheese" bait tab (but with peanut butter) and they have a sensitivity adjustment that I put on max sensitive. Good luck. Mine are crawling up the concrete foundation and through gaps under the siding. jim On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > Guys, > > I left my house in earlier this fall for an extended work trip. I got back a week ago. Gone maybe...three months total? > > I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not sure how I managed that but I cleaned everything out and haven't seen them again. > > I also have a mouse problem in the kitchen. I didn't see any evidence of mice when I got home initially, but I left a chocolate bar on the kitchen counter the second night (wrapped in its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse ate through the wrapper. > > I put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring the trap. > > I put out glue traps. The thing flipped over the trap and clearly was stuck to it, but got away. > > I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in fact, I assume there are), but I've just seen the one. > > I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them) die in the walls. > > I have no idea how they're getting up on the counter to start with--I don't see any openings in anything and I can't believe the thing is crawling up the side of the counter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for. > > Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More glue traps? > > I'm leaving again until after new years--the house will be cold enough that I don't mind a dead mouse in a trap while I'm gone (and people will be checking the house for me, this time). > > Any advice welcome. > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 07:46:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B472589694 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:46:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2202589292 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id j65so709826293iof.0 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 05:14:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gEwIaTvWcoYZYmgOZOhTrL14rkmaMfb828+o768qQt4=; b=ZDRHAdQKyvkFNDCpq6NSTe5TZtARNyLcVq1LxP87wNVoy4mI/RDO53yN0tM8mv2mCV ACgK2wKX24uRmFbkLf3iZJWzggAFpjzVrMRS5XBv9UfncRVwdBwn3hilyQrvmwyXnh5a RBe6YeXojxWm6XTfs6WxWPbKkcCIxeUTEHPG72iThH9bryezulDBfiJnVNJZ+CifLUSw B7jlzuFFkyxZXCxhCf5h0mDBUbIlByaY2cajAZvzx3Uozsxynlezeka+C4//aAi4BMrC N+LuD5nAZg1KSHopj5arPpZ71RqfrW1/XwtpiXTl/HoDCNpI0zsh6zq+uxLULiEG1htK JTag== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gEwIaTvWcoYZYmgOZOhTrL14rkmaMfb828+o768qQt4=; b=Md3+a0gZujCOxa45nbJnv+KnbvHDLth80dA0dq74kdiqvwTm/JXOlNBVt49G//pIx3 uiWNObUZVzauTmZrS1PMCGxXEkqYuK5PUSiO2FRS3IGJnxs9LldgAxsf0VCQT59kjXhw 2BYMdgP6o4UlOoumsPssKkUfQCGWIx2jMK5hAvHKB1Cy59bTcd2TnCUJSaSTFpmiCWWe Z+qV1yHGrj1agj979SPXT/Q5/kCInyU10TITAKOgvEvDxl4eUjCxnGfWQlcyv++vWPma /zbeYonYH25aoeaPd+Gr1mVtsQ2JfDWS2CBawRNpZl06orh+kRgrr/gatdbcS2CzTtS3 lEgg== Wed, 07 Dec 2016 05:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.26.82 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 05:14:15 -0800 (PST) References:

From: John Innis Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:14:15 -0600 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6640473862362405883== --001a1141f18c36e1880543114cd2 I will second the TomCat poison baits. I place several bait stations around the outside of the house to prevent them form getting in in the first place. I also have a few in the attic. Since I started using them I have never found any evidence of mice (dead or alive) in the house. I never did figure out where they were getting in, but the problem was solved. Do be sure to check local law, as some places don't allow using poison outdoors. And don't put them more than a few feet from the house so as to reduce the probability that a bird of pray will snatch up a poisoned mouse. On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 6:10 AM, wrote: > Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live > traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can > work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time. > > If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. > (I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.) > > They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and > such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they > don't die in walls.) > > Also, check your local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't > fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take > care of anything outside. > > Just some things to think about. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --001a1141f18c36e1880543114cd2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I will second the TomCat poison baits.=C2=A0 I place sever= al bait stations around the outside of the house to prevent them form getti= ng in in the first place.=C2=A0 I also have a few in the attic.=C2=A0 Since= I started using them I have never found any evidence of mice (dead or aliv= e) in the house.=C2=A0 I never did figure out where they were getting in, b= ut the problem was solved.=C2=A0 Do be sure to check local law, as some pla= ces don't allow using poison outdoors.=C2=A0 And don't put them mor= e than a few feet from the house so as to reduce the probability that a bir= d of pray will snatch up a poisoned mouse.=C2=A0

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 6:10 AM, = <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

Scott, if you are going to be there t= o empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mice Cubes.&quo= t; =C2=A0They are as simple as they get and can work great.=C2=A0 But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time.

If not, the other method I use is = the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. =C2=A0(I'm sure you can get them elsewh= ere.)

They are little green blocks that = you put behind walls and corners and such.=C2=A0 The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.)

Also, check your local ASPCA.=C2= =A0 They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesticated.=C2=A0 Th= ey can be relocated to your property.=C2=A0 They take care of anything outside.

Just some things to think about.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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It tripped the traps well too. With the Victor trap you can adjust the sensitivity by bending the tab and = rod. Jack On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:26 AM -0800, "Jim Franklin" wrot= e: > Guys, > > I left my house in earlier this fall for an extended work trip. I got bac= k a week ago. Gone maybe...three months total? > > I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not sure how I managed that but I cleaned = everything out and haven't seen them again. > > I also have a mouse problem in the kitchen. I didn't see any evidence of = mice when I got home initially, but I left a chocolate bar on the kitchen c= ounter the second night (wrapped in its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse ate = through the wrapper. > > I put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring the= trap. > > I put out glue traps. The thing flipped over the trap and clearly was stu= ck to it, but got away. > > I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in fact, I = assume there are), but I've just seen the one. > > I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them) die in th= e walls. > > I have no idea how they're getting up on the counter to start with--I don= 't see any openings in anything and I can't believe the thing is crawling u= p the side of the counter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for. > > Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More glu= e traps? > > I'm leaving again until after new years--the house will be cold enough th= at I don't mind a dead mouse in a trap while I'm gone (and people will be c= hecking the house for me, this time). > > Any advice welcome. > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james= f@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive s@live.com --_000_DM2PR08MB319AC820861BD47C848B746A8850DM2PR08MB319namprd_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had good results with the Victor traps too, but salami worked better than= everything else. It tripped the traps well too.

With the Victor trap you can adjust the sensitivity by bending the tab and = rod.

Jack

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:26 AM -0800, "Ji= m Franklin" <jamesf@grou= pwbench.org> wrote:

Bait brings the poison outside where cats and owls= ingest it. Glue traps cause considerable discomfort when the mouse chews o= ff its own limbs to get away.

Spring traps need to be placed against a wall since that's how mice usually= travel. But put the short end against the wall, not the long end. Use pean= ut butter for bait, and smoosh it into the bait tab, don't just lay it on t= op. Make them work for it so they put pressure on the bait tab. I've caught dozens this way. You likely have= a few nests in different parts of the house, so put traps all over if you'= ll be gone for a while. Once they set up shop, they multiply quickly. Given= what I just went through with them in my ceiling, I'd buy 20 traps and lay them all out.

I've also heard good things about the rat zapper but they're pricier and fi= ll up.

Baby mice (which you likely have by now) may be too small to get trapped by= the arm, and might be too gentle to spring the trap, but will be big enoug= h in a few weeks.

I use the Home Depot $1 Victor traps with the copper bait tab. I've also us= ed the ones wit the "fake cheese" bait tab (but with peanut butte= r) and they have a sensitivity adjustment that I put on max sensitive.

Good luck. Mine are crawling up the concrete foundation and through gaps un= der the siding.

jim

On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I left my house in earlier this fall for an extended work trip. I got = back a week ago. Gone maybe...three months total?
>
> I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not sure how I managed that but I clean= ed everything out and haven't seen them again.
>
> I also have a mouse problem in the kitchen. I didn't see any evidence = of mice when I got home initially, but I left a chocolate bar on the kitche= n counter the second night (wrapped in its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse a= te through the wrapper.
>
> I put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring = the trap.
>
> I put out glue traps. The thing flipped over the trap and clearly was = stuck to it, but got away.
>
> I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in fact,= I assume there are), but I've just seen the one.
>
> I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them) die in= the walls.
>
> I have no idea how they're getting up on the counter to start with--I = don't see any openings in anything and I can't believe the thing is crawlin= g up the side of the counter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for. >
> Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More = glue traps?
>
> I'm leaving again until after new years--the house will be cold enough= that I don't mind a dead mouse in a trap while I'm gone (and people will b= e checking the house for me, this time).
>
> Any advice welcome.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
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I put them around my TR6 in the winter and it's never been touched. Obviously it helps to have a dog:) John Mitchell On 12/7/2016 7:39 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Bait brings the poison outside where cats and owls ingest it. Glue traps cause considerable discomfort when the mouse chews off its own limbs to get away. > > Spring traps need to be placed against a wall since that's how mice usually travel. But put the short end against the wall, not the long end. Use peanut butter for bait, and smoosh it into the bait tab, don't just lay it on top. Make them work for it so they put pressure on the bait tab. I've caught dozens this way. You likely have a few nests in different parts of the house, so put traps all over if you'll be gone for a while. Once they set up shop, they multiply quickly. Given what I just went through with them in my ceiling, I'd buy 20 traps and lay them all out. > > I've also heard good things about the rat zapper but they're pricier and fill up. > > Baby mice (which you likely have by now) may be too small to get trapped by the arm, and might be too gentle to spring the trap, but will be big enough in a few weeks. > > I use the Home Depot $1 Victor traps with the copper bait tab. I've also used the ones wit the "fake cheese" bait tab (but with peanut butter) and they have a sensitivity adjustment that I put on max sensitive. > > Good luck. Mine are crawling up the concrete foundation and through gaps under the siding. > > jim > > On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> I left my house in earlier this fall for an extended work trip. I got back a week ago. Gone maybe...three months total? >> >> I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not sure how I managed that but I cleaned everything out and haven't seen them again. >> >> I also have a mouse problem in the kitchen. I didn't see any evidence of mice when I got home initially, but I left a chocolate bar on the kitchen counter the second night (wrapped in its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse ate through the wrapper. >> >> I put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring the trap. >> >> I put out glue traps. The thing flipped over the trap and clearly was stuck to it, but got away. >> >> I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in fact, I assume there are), but I've just seen the one. >> >> I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them) die in the walls. >> >> I have no idea how they're getting up on the counter to start with--I don't see any openings in anything and I can't believe the thing is crawling up the side of the counter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for. >> >> Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More glue traps? >> >> I'm leaving again until after new years--the house will be cold enough that I don't mind a dead mouse in a trap while I'm gone (and people will be checking the house for me, this time). >> >> Any advice welcome. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jmitch@snet.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 09:38:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B5C2588EAE for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:38:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E1725896CC for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EdbZccW6vD6uOEdcfcalIp; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:55:05 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1481122505; bh=3g/uQ1EM2JemIKhRvQ4i5yqDAXjTB36C7EObpISpQ5M=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=P4AOgpMR1GuCAXzlXHk7j63SjxtEp3mwxKkzZvBkDBqCq8lMa+jYub3oVMIDv7fMd 2AhjiKeBlfN4oDcVWH9Hx7HP5Acw1pGs5d3EHjjW9gXCCfszzwr4tUTOR8wnICmig7 Poh9JvR6prsW+JfiIbhquVFYesJ4tSmfkpyOySsKyQiujKDyMBwEC2hO7kmT0lJ+Mt iTRmJJPjVkxdXSPMqBPMNhUNDqIRBsODnMYYiRxPDlncJQWKwzZ/52ZzHcFw7d607s MQu4RQPsQz7hI4fi9cULat6cQbKuD/LoB/PX4kEwrHLbcdu+WVUsNELt4suW5+kYbD m9wQOsYMbgZCQ== Received: from [172.20.7.190] ([12.9.178.12]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EdcUctcRb3vzcEdcWcF1Nz; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:55:03 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:54:53 -0800 References:

To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net w8fMDOnsD5SSGMzeKqrJi3qAHo384X/hXFIpJH98tSSK3eQF/dehaJGm/vLdEsfqoy+hFU67HFmoawjm94jOTrA9+pAUszR7VSo= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0766856634682288923== --Apple-Mail=_D5B091F8-5D55-4CC8-98D0-D54C78C1CE03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Scott, I found the new plastic spring traps are too insensitive, I found = the old metal ones and they work fine. The mice come and go in my = kitchen, but if I keep at it, they usually disappear for quite awhile = after I've caught a few.=20 I've tried the high frequency devices you plug in to keep them away. = I've heard some people have good luck with them. They haven't worked = well for me. Pretty cheap, worth a try. I read recently that feral cats are decimating the bird population, so I = wouldn't be in a hurry to put another cat out there. One guy said he used a 2 gallon can 1/2 full of gas. He put some sort of = slippery rod across the top, greased I think, with cheese or something = in the middle. The mice would fall in the gas trying to get the bait. He = said he caught 25 mice or so in his garage that way. Brian C Brian C Kennedy Cell 734 649 8548 2711 N. Maple Road =20 Ann Arbor, MI 48103-2158 kennedybc@comcast.net On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live = traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and = can work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a = time.=20 >=20 > If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. = (I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.)=20 >=20 > They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and = such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they = don't die in walls.)=20 >=20 > Also, check your local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't = fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take = care of anything outside.=20 >=20 > Just some things to think about.=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your = territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson = _______________________________________________ --Apple-Mail=_D5B091F8-5D55-4CC8-98D0-D54C78C1CE03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii

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On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time.

If not, the other method I use = is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. (I'm sure you can get them = elsewhere.)

They are little green blocks = that you put behind walls and corners and such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.)

Also, check your local ASPCA. = They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take care of anything = outside.

Just some things to think = about.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a = rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson = _______________________________________________

= --Apple-Mail=_D5B091F8-5D55-4CC8-98D0-D54C78C1CE03-- --===============0766856634682288923== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0766856634682288923==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 09:57:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BE32588721 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:57:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com [17.110.78.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F1F2589708 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 08:01:34 -0700 (MST) mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OHT00L00LOKPI00@mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:02:28 +0000 (GMT) t=1481122948; bh=xon4COu3R6E8aqPt3XxZB7764+7DkqEonTVo4ylKmT4=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=G65PLQVsE39avIUCyu9xR9XYn36qgJFN11w9lGZQ61aYn+y1YUUi3TIgYAKlY+L4O lPmNxkpeBwYwV8DvCXjL7buaRVP7OPmSnDkcauwEXI8qnNIygK+SHf7RuZFKIf0qRC dmuXcxZWPPM1+HHks9B4cV638YJVxwo5QtTP3H9zi5eRszCY3ibDYDWJ1P1kv24zdc GlCtYolQ19j9B1gzF3fJCx5A4cgimA8W8g5fUJyyWnWgK89HMQA10FWd7PjS51fl1l FzHmIkBhPYDH74mFEku1wZWzfs9dihe/ApFgWrN7dWfEHlPs9OooleXAL9/izR21Ms KArQi2uO2uiDA== Received: from [192.168.50.99] (unknown [184.105.18.14]) by mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OHT008YRLS2S300@mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com>; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:02:28 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-12-07_05:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1034 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1612070238 From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:02:25 -0600 References: To: Scott Hall Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We live in the country an have mouse problems from time to time. Spring traps don't work as well as they used to, but I found a plastic spring trap that works every time. I can go check the brand later, but is similar to the Tom Cat 33501. The bait goes in a small cup from the bottom & sits below the trip plate so the mouse has to get up on the plate to eat. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Dec 6, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Scott Hall wrote: Guys, I left my house in earlier this fall for an extended work trip. I got back a week ago. Gone maybe...three months total? I had gnats in the fridge. I'm not sure how I managed that but I cleaned everything out and haven't seen them again. I also have a mouse problem in the kitchen. I didn't see any evidence of mice when I got home initially, but I left a chocolate bar on the kitchen counter the second night (wrapped in its wrapper, sealed) and the mouse ate through the wrapper. I put out spring mice traps--the mouse ate the bait and didn't spring the trap. I put out glue traps. The thing flipped over the trap and clearly was stuck to it, but got away. I've seen the thing once--it looks tiny. There might be many (in fact, I assume there are), but I've just seen the one. I'm not real excited about poisoning it and having it (or them) die in the walls. I have no idea how they're getting up on the counter to start with--I don't see any openings in anything and I can't believe the thing is crawling up the side of the counter, but whatever. I just want it/them done for. Any ideas about how to go about it? Am I baiting the trap wrong? More glue traps? I'm leaving again until after new years--the house will be cold enough that I don't mind a dead mouse in a trap while I'm gone (and people will be checking the house for me, this time). Any advice welcome. Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 10:35:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F41825897A1 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:35:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430FC25891E3 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 08:30:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EeAgclNagQIocEeBbcfh6x; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:31:11 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1481124671; bh=GflFTdMavX8PMSPi2jOqLhOaicXnf+Xy/123C3r/Ijw=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=Nwlbw8Z3iOn6OOh9q9Tfbg+LGYrJJV5kgLDTUh6ahY7bN4nHsZjNJgOqHcZbk3qwj z0oSdLlg7/twrHLf3nMCWQFGcKPPEb1cKKvCo8K7wVKzxLx1LnPtQciIa0Gac3Vu3b DsiuCctMhM6b08+b5uDiM2Un0OjaqgXk3hqTqcBwP9wxhDs224MoVh3XpJWZhN3t6a tSg23R2n1xVF63xrcbxDOoXfRkZ7Ho3UoV9Ho3yNZQrmEBoipXmquhD8dd7vBgfFbi zcTdOqOe5p2HZ3vrJl0Qmwz7mmXkTDdGJVA3+xIHzCH1SFfpQFQ54pQ35miwP4KTnZ LfMf5sk7Idvww== Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.179] ([68.61.187.195]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EeBacl5NJmPPdEeBbcwz7G; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:31:11 +0000 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:31:11 -0500 Importance: normal References:

uqANPhYs01VdC++5U4psRzqGQSUw96EvudDDh4nB2Xwj1jj04QW34Dkl41u/1SlskwectpzAcEpfi7Q0lhgILZvEiIIYLOI9N5w= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7307693459654154840== boundary="_4136D6E7-6E75-4F22-8F49-618486D7168C_" --_4136D6E7-6E75-4F22-8F49-618486D7168C_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Contrac is the name of the little green blocks that were mentioned. Their = advantage is that they cannot move them to their nest and have to eat them = in place, and, as was previously stated, once ingested the mice look for a = water source, generally outside, and then die. I=E2=80=99ve used them for = years with much success. =20 From: eric@megageek.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:51 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live trap= s that are called "Mice Cubes." =C2=A0They are as simple as they get and ca= n work great. =C2=A0But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a = time.=20 If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. =C2= =A0(I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.)=20 They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and such= . =C2=A0The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they do= n't die in walls.)=20 Also, check your local ASPCA. =C2=A0They often have 'barn cats' that aren't= fully domesticated. =C2=A0They can be relocated to your property. =C2=A0Th= ey take care of anything outside.=20 Just some things to think about.=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b= eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo= Emerson=20 --_4136D6E7-6E75-4F22-8F49-618486D7168C_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Contrac is the name of the little gr= een blocks that were mentioned.=C2=A0 Their advantage is that they cannot m= ove them to their nest and have to eat them in place, and, as was previousl= y stated, once ingested the mice look for a water source, generally outside= , and then die.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve used them for years with much success.= =C2=A0

<= o:p>

From: eric@megageek.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 20= 16 7:51 AM
To: Shop-t= alk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice

Scott, if you are going to= be there to empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mi= ce Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can work great. &n= bsp;But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time.
If not= , the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. (I'm = sure you can get them elsewhere.)

They are little green blocks that you= put behind walls and corners and such. The mice crew on them, get th= irsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.)

Also, check yo= ur local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesti= cated. They can be relocated to your property. They take care o= f anything outside.

Just some things to think about.

Sent from = my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
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= --_4136D6E7-6E75-4F22-8F49-618486D7168C_-- --===============7307693459654154840== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7307693459654154840==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 10:59:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B972589182 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:59:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801482585A6A for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:42:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 3BDB38FC77; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CF78FC53 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:43:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:43:33 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net References:

User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, eric@megageek.com wrote: > If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. (I'm > sure you can get them elsewhere.) My house had mice when I bought it, but my cat took care of them in short order, and then my neighbors' mice, and then all the chipmunks in the neighborhood, most of the rabbits, a number of squirrels, and lots of birds. He was a psychopath ;) He often left the headless corpses in my garage. Sometimes just the head. So there are pros and cons to the barn cat approach. A couple years after he died, I noticed mouse droppings in my boat shed. These Tomcat traps worked well enough to stave off that invasion, and I've seen no evidence since. My mice liked peanut butter, as bait. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 12:01:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AB82585E2C for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:01:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65218258976A for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y198so424431663oia.1 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:06:31 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=INQVIrmwBKF0ntoMyj4xfVz2rOc0pNCSuJ79iKtMuoU=; b=WcuYx9PWpU5JRrIpmaC4DHRg75uOk9wKVVEU+p2kvrffOQxhN8ZWVManV74y98wfEo GDpjt8cz+U9bnrWMgdaAu16YLoTJIa/+e00uZUfCueWGjH78R14lbx6+w5vE8fTmxtGL shJ3cn7NhYkvjlk5rc89f7IPXRHmRktaXjl2KtDXwDeYW7x3ivolQR2NrSxaKOGQlCzL VJrbNF8Bwsk8hvozdHEvt66QnlUpY19ahcGhl1dj0oxo0YtBggumehHdXRC+O7dwmAr1 ZUJGKBn+6opEb4neRpCBzynIAo6zbEt4fCMGSAV1fY0SVf7iwJIfP0YDTraACbdGPGGI DQRg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=INQVIrmwBKF0ntoMyj4xfVz2rOc0pNCSuJ79iKtMuoU=; b=dJ44ln5BcuUnoKevPDmKCSmZGbzYfkJKkUP1019SWKRN0Q+VvbHVq3ClodDU3QMNAS VjZP+P0tOke4lmviOA2VT/aKSamHmrfXn7IVWvUn6VkGOZ5fHKLXjV5/iC3FraBRdC3z 1+9ipgRi/uSM2mUe+oMpQdR0cCJI+esgYdNzbXTLvF/aJDs4Xb8awmTk+1fo5ZdyzMqe b3pMW7Y/Ibb+oJaC4LQKC3m0rDigwfPJMYWKp9u/cpxPdYmntPijSD3tG/RzYfa0JCxZ QNsMyF4Bsf/aOhZl75mAOgBDrx/OXmojy1lmsTtVwMpR5tP4YdZxfr7mmtO41TU0T4nX uLsw== Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.81.8 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) References:

<795CCDC3-91BF-4CB8-8A77-D9BECF4DD78D@comcast.net> From: Benjamin Zwissler Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:06:30 -0500 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0086678940623082910== --001a113ed16ccca3c60543148a2f We used a 55 gallon drum as a trash can in a shop I worked in many years ago. Lunch remnants went in the drum. One day someone left a 2x4 leaning against the drum. The next day the drum was full of mice. They'd climbed the 2x4 and jumped in after that food, then found they couldn't get out. The foreman took the drum out and lit the trash on fire. So I think you can accomplish the same thing without leaving an open can of gas around. Ben..... On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Brian Kennedy wrote: > Scott, I found the new plastic spring traps are too insensitive, I found > the old metal ones and they work fine. The mice come and go in my kitchen, > but if I keep at it, they usually disappear for quite awhile after I've > caught a few. > I've tried the high frequency devices you plug in to keep them away. I've > heard some people have good luck with them. They haven't worked well for > me. Pretty cheap, worth a try. > I read recently that feral cats are decimating the bird population, so I > wouldn't be in a hurry to put another cat out there. > One guy said he used a 2 gallon can 1/2 full of gas. He put some sort of > slippery rod across the top, greased I think, with cheese or something in > the middle. The mice would fall in the gas trying to get the bait. He said > he caught 25 mice or so in his garage that way. > Brian C > > Brian C Kennedy Cell 734 649 8548 <(734)%20649-8548> > 2711 N. Maple Road > Ann Arbor, MI 48103-2158 > kennedybc@comcast.net > > > On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live > traps that are called "Mice Cubes." They are as simple as they get and can > work great. But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time. > > If not, the other method I use is the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. > (I'm sure you can get them elsewhere.) > > They are little green blocks that you put behind walls and corners and > such. The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they > don't die in walls.) > > Also, check your local ASPCA. They often have 'barn cats' that aren't > fully domesticated. They can be relocated to your property. They take > care of anything outside. > > Just some things to think about. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > > > -- Ben Zwissler bjzwissler@gmail.com Columbus, IN --001a113ed16ccca3c60543148a2f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We used a 55 gallon drum as a trash can in a shop I w= orked in many years ago.=C2=A0 Lunch remnants went in the drum.=C2=A0 One d= ay someone left a 2x4 leaning against the drum.=C2=A0 The next day the drum= was full of mice.=C2=A0 They'd climbed the 2x4 and jumped in after tha= t food, then found they couldn't get out.=C2=A0 The foreman took the dr= um out and lit the trash on fire.=C2=A0 So I think you can accomplish the s= ame thing without leaving an open can of gas around.

Ben.....<= br>

On Wed, = Dec 7, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Brian Kennedy <kennedybc@comcast.net> wrote:

Scott, I found the new plastic spring traps are too insensitive, I = found the old metal ones and they work fine. The mice come and go in my kit= chen, but if I keep at it, they usually disappear for quite awhile after I&= #39;ve caught a few.=C2=A0
I've tried the high frequency devices yo= u plug in to keep them away. I've heard some people have good luck with= them. They haven't worked well for me. Pretty cheap, worth a try.
I read recently that feral cats are decimating the bird population, s= o I wouldn't be in a hurry to put another cat out there.
One = guy said he used a 2 gallon can 1/2 full of gas. He put some sort of slippe= ry rod across the top, greased I think, with cheese or something in the mid= dle. The mice would fall in the gas trying to get the bait. He said he caug= ht 25 mice or so in his garage that way.
Brian C

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Ann Arbor, MI 48= 103-2158
kenn= edybc@comcast.net

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On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:10 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Scott, if you are going to be there to empty the traps, there are live traps that are called "Mice Cubes.&quo= t; =C2=A0They are as simple as they get and can work great.=C2=A0 But they need to be emptied as they only hold one at a time.

If not, the other method I use is = the TomCat baits at Tractor Supply. =C2=A0(I'm sure you can get them elsewh= ere.)

They are little green blocks that = you put behind walls and corners and such.=C2=A0 The mice crew on them, get thirsty, go to water and die (so they don't die in walls.)

Also, check your local ASPCA.=C2= =A0 They often have 'barn cats' that aren't fully domesticated.=C2=A0 Th= ey can be relocated to your property.=C2=A0 They take care of anything outside.

Just some things to think about.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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<795CCDC3-91BF-4CB8-8A77-D9BECF4DD78D@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Do a google search for "bucket mouse trap" and you will see lots of examples of this. Usually it's a 5 gallon bucket. There's no reason to use gasoline. Water works fine, with antifreeze if in a freezing area. You just need to catch/kill mice, not incinerate them along with the whole building. Personally just use plastic traps like these: www.intruderinc.com/products/the-better-mousetrap. At 09:54 AM 12/7/2016, Brian Kennedy wrote: >One guy said he used a 2 gallon can 1/2 full of gas. He put some >sort of slippery rod across the top, greased I think, with cheese or >something in the middle. The mice would fall in the gas trying to >get the bait. He said he caught 25 mice or so in his garage that way. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 16:29:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4732C25877CA for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:29:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71002587F7B for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EiGlc7CE06fcVEiHDcNomO; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 19:53:15 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1481140395; bh=avc88OUtgxP/n9oIHi3CkJotUvV2xvnao/KjBFBIfng=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=XrUF+xL6YA2xV12quOEhVwVvej3d+84O3U6XCXan1HZY011DakG2Iw5Ve1Syo5tt0 ZrNqcKt9JrOY0Ge5A0iadfgSegyDf8KZCg1JvZy3rnvgq4Q8OP5O/mr+gG/1bryez/ V60K7kMwG0N1NIFVim9zptThak9+gq8hiu5u0vLSD0I4GXDakU2kYJv25v215Lgw+g Jx25YNn/nGiWcDOvQN/FVw+xXXVy4Fwmt1mj/zUvcGRkHZvHN/MlXKYIFSOvrP1Hii fDwl5INB7yZKrdiixKdHDerJr9zmTPRh2GwqhjBWcmr83BafNhDwl5LUqj4zMqhWEk CBwumWcUqxrKA== Received: from [172.20.7.190] ([12.9.178.12]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EiGycdN76jMqLEiH2csOtI; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 19:53:13 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:53:00 -0800 References:

<795CCDC3-91BF-4CB8-8A77-D9BECF4DD78D@comcast.net> To: Steven Trovato nLd2Uq17INKBd/77czjdkNlWPMbYMeN+QoZ381FYfa8XJtnvuy6WribWYQBkbiWVPdcZlsGLCSnlzeDW2kSh597tvltYqywgdhhSw5w916nJ8RUVC4pHn1wi zHCALVEAl5orGItJ044lDQ== Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't say he was smart. Maybe I should check and see if still has a garage? Brian C Kennedy Cell 734 649 8548 2711 N. Maple Road Ann Arbor, MI 48103-2158 kennedybc@comcast.net On Dec 7, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Do a google search for "bucket mouse trap" and you will see lots of examples of this. Usually it's a 5 gallon bucket. There's no reason to use gasoline. Water works fine, with antifreeze if in a freezing area. You just need to catch/kill mice, not incinerate them along with the whole building. Personally just use plastic traps like these: www.intruderinc.com/products/the-better-mousetrap. > > At 09:54 AM 12/7/2016, Brian Kennedy wrote: >> One guy said he used a 2 gallon can 1/2 full of gas. He put some sort of slippery rod across the top, greased I think, with cheese or something in the middle. The mice would fall in the gas trying to get the bait. He said he caught 25 mice or so in his garage that way. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 7 21:24:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFC62588F8E for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 21:24:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9343225887D2 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:01:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id En6EcmBNbQIocEn6EchUhO; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 01:02:14 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1481158934; bh=vvZQfZiAohlGpZsudT00CQh5YzuQS+YAcXVdlIKUeWY=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=kHwlTMrRI21+0n3dvl9cuFZKPO29Ry14z81cLJ1KeV+X6E2sqodc7HGq4AdF4exvq HMsmbLN+jJERoAySX7ryNjQgoIzjWksewBWKin3dbzHzQ8CFb/V9xhE+j5br6VntNg KVx9m3EHrsD/MQajuqCS1nek+Q7msapEIr15qPGZJU9MsC7Ydd5BZlMmp+BMNTUBe3 UMNzfR3Y7Ah0AAep2DfEpjY7U2a8394an4SjNQ4BxL4MrbILtx60CcTqPM995vjQx/ kssU+72G0BFJPcdZurHW/eLrlCe7+E5qeEBALDgfTVw3NbHa9Nb0To/sFVywA9J4u2 Vqe3Cb+D2PfvQ== Received: from [IPv6:2601:600:4000:c205:6897:9794:2731:30d5] ([IPv6:2601:600:4000:c205:6897:9794:2731:30d5]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id En66cP2Gy1gMnEn6DczThx; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 01:02:14 +0000 To: "Shop Talk" From: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:02:12 -0800 Importance: normal References: tvqeKASw83Q4QiGPeEIKf18veLrqCnKeifz3VIFKDXZUNAh2nAH8h1QfqxxXqIpYk4DZwBMk2koKo3261uG4199dSrsuz/mIXKs= Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Heaters Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5843289325011917016== boundary="_8BF82EFA-CB13-43BA-BB6B-578CBF73D9B8_" --_8BF82EFA-CB13-43BA-BB6B-578CBF73D9B8_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The gas company red-tagged my 13-year-old Mr. Heater MH25NG rshop/garage he= ater today. It=E2=80=99s given good service and I=E2=80=99m inclined to buy= another unless someone can recommend something better. Rated at 25,000 BTU= , it=E2=80=99s quite adequate for coastal Washington climate. Bob K --_8BF82EFA-CB13-43BA-BB6B-578CBF73D9B8_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The gas company red-tagged my 13-year-old Mr. Heater MH25NG rshop/gar= age heater today. It=E2=80=99s given good service and I=E2=80=99m inclined = to buy another unless someone can recommend something better. Rated at 25,0= 00 BTU, it=E2=80=99s quite adequate for coastal Washington climate.

Bob K

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Bob

I=E2=80=99m just about to finish a 2.6k sf garage/shop addition =

We added heat pumps; split three ways, one to my wife=E2=80=99s =

theatrical costume shop (up stairs), another to my office

off the shop and the third head covers the shop and garage

area. I=E2=80=99m expecting very low energy costs with the = heat pump

and it only was an additional $1k, but of course it was an

added upsizing and head unit over the already planned for

heat pump installation.

Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA

From: bobkegel@comcast.net

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:02 PM

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Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Heaters

The gas company red-tagged my 13-year-old Mr. = Heater MH25NG=20 rshop/garage heater today. It=E2=80=99s given good service and = I=E2=80=99m inclined to buy=20 another unless someone can recommend something better. Rated at 25,000 = BTU, it=E2=80=99s=20 quite adequate for coastal Washington climate.

Bob K

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