Battery maintainers are much superior = to simple trickle chargers. I ruined a battery once because most 'tri= ckle chargers' will keep pushing current into the battery after it's fully = charged. A maintainer will charge, then keep a 'float charge' on the = battery and occasionally pulse it to undo sulfation. I've used this o= ne for years with good results:

<= /div>

http://tinyurl.com/hqsggc8

NFI, just a happy customer. Battery Tender looks= good, too, but I have no first-hand experience.

Bob

From: eric@megageek.com
To: Shop-talk@autox.= team.net
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:46:48 AM
Subject= : [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight&nbs= p; Go-Jacks followup)

Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional= oil" type debate.

What is currently the best trickle cha= rger on the market? I'm tried of ones that break or don't seem to wor= k properly. I currently use Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doin= g the job. (Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)
Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) &nbs= p;But I want something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a= forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.
<= br>TIA.

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. T= hey are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. They DO lift the traile= r with no issues and I can move it on pavement. I does require alot o= f force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.) I'm thinking the hy= draulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time= . These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.

If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save= serious cash!

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 B= aud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but = if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch o= f your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
_________________________= ______________________

------=_Part_47422002_1367080728.1479493315911-- --===============1630076869190031510== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1630076869190031510==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 18 12:28:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D13C258812F for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:28:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C72F2587CC1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:43:40 -0700 (MST) bh=LInqMEvCjMBKEFPlcgKRcCcOiMLFdDArlywW3vl3rk0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=MNL1SahlvhopIyezLVAXUa+xSNO1f7WVBsCLoD0A0O4+NRXmgXFDy3NvIUHcj5+Wr qOL9XGpGmBAWp6fRkxXWTg2qOKoyXOq3P9eYfVrC/quCFhM4k7dxJNafNIO2cUFV1D b2+viOOIzMSrDOY2eU0vtQ94NPOAHZRNurbCGmsdbJmIRMaOMICYR3ItSe5BOLTHES JpnJMJ5EsVEXdy7Ai+/fqPVK73yThQuoQ2KHr41fE4XUs6cVGmvoctaS2qn9JtDmnh huKDbBpI1vupKMCuYWjDV1uouGHRMHf6wigr0JNfmDgzn3V0NHQ+nMMeLp2w2CHusg bIjYzRquCk0NA== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:117 a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=ngqP8MCuDOoScuolwykA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=e0SPuRrYqJUqroZ5ybAA:9 a=90p7795nEHPcSL_v:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vGgPcN4G-ktUWJNYb7fx:22 Received: from [74.90.183.198] ([74.90.183.198:4351] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id BC/66-07859-70C4F285; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:44:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:35:58 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com,Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6697634453050280636== boundary="=====================_585183041==.ALT" --=====================_585183041==.ALT Eric, I use battery minders in my garage. They are supposed to have a desulfating function. I haven't done any in depth analysis, but they seem to keep the batteries in good shape and the price is way less than $200 for the basic, single 12V battery model. More like $50. As for the GoJak dollies, they are not hydraulic. At least the original ones that I have are not. The only ones I saw that were hydraulic were copies by other companies. I assumed that this was an attempt to get around the GoJak patent, but now that has expired. The force required to move the dollies, whether GoJaks or any other style, all comes down to the surface and the quality of the casters. GoJaks come with very nice casters. I have taken cheap Chinese dollies with steel casters and made them lots better by replacing the casters. Of course, the casters probably cost more than the dollies at that point, but the end result was something way more functional. I guess as long as you are having success with what you have, there's no reason to mess with it. -Steve At 12:46 PM 11/18/2016, eric@megageek.com wrote: >Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional >oil" type debate. > >What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried >of ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use >Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just >need a different model of theirs?) > >Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I >want something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a >forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items. > >TIA. > > >Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like >actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I >can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but >that isn't the jacks issue.) I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are >NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time. These >are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail. > >If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cash! --=====================_585183041==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric,

I use battery minders in my garage. They are supposed to have a desulfating function. I haven't done any in depth analysis, but they seem to keep the batteries in good shape and the price is way less than $200 for the basic, single 12V battery model. More like $50. As for the GoJak dollies, they are not hydraulic. At least the original ones that I have are not. The only ones I saw that were hydraulic were copies by other companies. I assumed that this was an attempt to get around the GoJak patent, but now that has expired. The force required to move the dollies, whether GoJaks or any other style, all comes down to the surface and the quality of the casters. GoJaks come with very nice casters. I have taken cheap Chinese dollies with steel casters and made them lots better by replacing the casters. Of course, the casters probably cost more than the dollies at that point, but the end result was something way more functional. I guess as long as you are having success with what you have, there's no reason to mess with it.

-Steve

At 12:46 PM 11/18/2016, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Friends, I hop= e this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" type debate.

What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)

Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I want something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.

TIA.

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.) I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.

If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cash!

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(and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5775243340639732917== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01D241A0.94E4EF90" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01D241A0.94E4EF90 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve used BatteryMinders for more than a dozen years and have = experienced excellent battery life on every battery I=E2=80=99ve kept on = them. I own 6 of the small ones and one of the large models. =20 My airplane battery is on the large one whenever I=E2=80=99m not flying = it. Most aircraft batteries die in 2-3 years, and cost $250-$300. Mine = is 9 years old now and still starting the plane just fine. =20 My lawn mower battery, lawn tractor battery, the car battery used for a = 12V winch, and the battery in Jill=E2=80=99s MG Midget all stay on the = little BatteryMinders whenever not in use, and all are at least 7-8 = years old now. I use the other two BatteryMinders here and there on = other batteries as needed. =20 Without BatteryMinder protection, our regular car batteries last 2-3 = years (Costco batteries - they now sell Interstate). I=E2=80=99ve used = Costco=E2=80=99s warrantee many times, and keep buying them because of = the warrantee. =20 A BatteryMinder requires battery voltage over some threshold before it = will function. Bought a Vector charger a few years ago and it died = =E2=80=93 it also required some threshold voltage before it would charge = a battery. I have a 1975 Schumacher charger on its third and I hope = last set of diodes, used for emergencies =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99ll start a = completely dead car with a couple of minutes=E2=80=99 boost charge. =20 I=E2=80=99m convinced that BatteryMinder is the way to go. =20 Karl =20 =20 On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, wrote: Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" = type debate.=20 What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of = ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use = Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just need = a different model of theirs?)=20 Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I = want something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a forklift, = motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01D241A0.94E4EF90 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99ve= used BatteryMinders for more than a dozen years and have experienced = excellent battery life on every battery I=E2=80=99ve kept on them.=C2=A0 = I own 6 of the small ones and one of the large = models.

<= /o:p>

My airplane = battery is on the large one whenever I=E2=80=99m not flying it.=C2=A0 = Most aircraft batteries die in 2-3 years, and cost $250-$300.=C2=A0 Mine = is 9 years old now and still starting the plane just = fine.

<= /o:p>

My lawn = mower battery, lawn tractor battery, the car battery used for a 12V = winch, and the battery in Jill=E2=80=99s MG Midget all stay on the = little BatteryMinders whenever not in use, and all are at least 7-8 = years old now.=C2=A0 I use the other two BatteryMinders here and there = on other batteries as needed.

<= /o:p>

Without = BatteryMinder protection, our regular car batteries last 2-3 years = (Costco batteries - they now sell Interstate). I=E2=80=99ve used = Costco=E2=80=99s warrantee many times, and keep buying them because of = the warrantee.

<= /o:p>

A = BatteryMinder requires battery voltage over some threshold before it = will function.=C2=A0 Bought a Vector charger a few years ago and it died = =E2=80=93 it also required some threshold voltage before it would charge = a battery.=C2=A0 I have a 1975 Schumacher charger on its third and I = hope last set of diodes, used for emergencies =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99ll = start a completely dead car with a couple of minutes=E2=80=99 boost = charge.

<= /o:p>

I=E2=80=99m = convinced that BatteryMinder is the way to go.

<= /o:p>

Karl

<= /o:p>

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

Friends, I = hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" = type debate.

What is = currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of = ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use = Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just = need a different model of theirs?)

Price isn't = a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I want = something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a forklift, = motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other = items.

------=_NextPart_000_0082_01D241A0.94E4EF90-- --===============5775243340639732917== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5775243340639732917==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 18 15:11:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F3F25856EE for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:11:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858302587C80 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:13:50 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=PZo3J4OQ7CFP7SFW--IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A_N-dQOaEBbcCCeQ_GAA:9 a=ujzQtxNZn12siWtl:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:41369] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id F3/8E-04873-9216F285; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:14:34 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: , References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4763068279224238144== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01D241AE.6CB175D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01D241AE.6CB175D0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the intended use? I think there are two categories to consider - = battery charger vs battery maintainer. There may be units that = accomplish both but I suspect the cost of such may be higher than buying = one of each type.=20 I have a Battery Minder (battery maintainer category) that I bought at = Northern Tool a few years ago. On sale it cost ~ $25-$30. I rotate it = around between my motorcycle, trailer winch battery & any car that = doesn't get get driven regularly. It keeps these batteries well charged = and ready for use.=20 Eric Russell Mebane, NC ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01D241AE.6CB175D0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is the intended use? I think there = are two=20 categories to consider - battery charger vs battery maintainer. = There may=20 be units that accomplish both but I suspect the cost of such may be = higher than=20 buying one of each type.

I have a Battery Minder (battery = maintainer=20 category) that I bought at Northern Tool a few years ago. On sale it = cost ~=20 $25-$30. I rotate it around between my motorcycle, trailer winch battery = &=20 any car that doesn't get get driven regularly. It keeps these batteries = well=20 charged and ready for use.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

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(and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Schumacher XC-103 that, like you said, = won't charge a completely dead battery. It has = to sense the voltage to turn itself on. This = seems completely crazy to me and I did consider = this to be a show stopper. What's the point of a = battery charger that can't charge a dead = battery? Then I talked to a Schumacher tech = support guy who told me that if you press and = hold both buttons down on the front panel while = plugging the unit in, it will override the stupid = logic and start charging. This isn't documented = anywhere. With this little bit of secret = knowledge, this became a useful charger again! I = wonder if other brands have a secret bypass feature. -Steve At 02:35 PM 11/18/2016, Karl Vacek wrote: > >A BatteryMinder requires battery voltage over = >some threshold before it will function.=C2 Bought = >a Vector charger a few years ago and it died =96 = >it also required some threshold voltage before = >it would charge a battery.=C2 I have a 1975 = >Schumacher charger on its third and I hope last = >set of diodes, used for emergencies =96 it=E2=80=99ll = >start a completely dead car with a couple of minutes=E2=80=99 boost charge. > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 18 20:04:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F360B2588892 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:04:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D149A258608D for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id l8so51684419iti.1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:02:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Nv3QHy6OrxL4DU34uLJ0Ft6AMFOU6cdEM7qtTLmaOuE=; b=HFbwm24uKL7gEeVriFWk1aiYCH+ilQ70YUXyVbg7Apa2l1yJQW2wnYk65jDkSdRcMh VmiX9yHaRDs0xJArQtDzDIrW9mTxEQ1GO+nyJGjCr4bQdllCZ+ET3HICdNfdoTram/2Q GGL7ymrJ5p2XvKFbSOwp44jenD59bNDWm8Xba6+oVvH63OeE9spqtpdtG8tMMp/E43WB KgE7sgjLDMEEA+p52VtS7m58MjcHjGfghV3yNZygBcPi3AFf7fUJyDFR0cJhvuhkih8h 4cS0uQheVJgtNIotLmbwYPynQqb2mPPFtsGXOjkx7NEMsLIwYs5eQfT8QSibVS1Z7+VC dFtg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Nv3QHy6OrxL4DU34uLJ0Ft6AMFOU6cdEM7qtTLmaOuE=; b=gDo0pJ+caP2O4HqHVpvUvi7MNWnIIHVU1eWGUp+9bemdT+5r8RSeG6F9cs8kZSLGy0 A3T5wco5euy4krKN6CRB827sEUhJvTEZh4CJqEZGZ1f74XMqHRynWhX+i/3ahMZp4c36 BC9eaGLVYJIV33xdybPbx4jEYKhEtVeKsgJKHJ4QFNPXRPbNJ9eueVV2eJARAjGIUl3y U9/b829plE3EfhrAcoiNv4E8sSTbPgL5wAr3otGvUOW9SaKb21a18oSg8uF9ntC0ikIv t7VLw5a23XfuuoNgo+MTOT4bMzYy/YvIQZMyBCmDH7F4fb+fOM2zEVG6LqF6b78Eqh7I 0NAA== Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (c-24-12-248-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [24.12.248.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u190sm1863342itc.21.2016.11.18.17.02.30 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: David Scheidt Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:02:29 -0600 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0091343494820141132== boundary=Apple-Mail-23646ABE-5571-49F3-91E4-B744F75833FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-23646ABE-5571-49F3-91E4-B744F75833FF charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually g= o jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavem= ent. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)= > I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that= can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really= to fail.=20 Go jacks are entirely mechanical. The lifting mechanism The habot freight v= ersion is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poor= er paint and crappier casters. But for light duty use, they should work fin= e.=20 >=20 > If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cas= h!=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-23646ABE-5571-49F3-91E4-B744F75833FF charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)

I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.

Go jacks are entirely mechanical. The lifting mechanism The habot freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer paint and crappier casters. But for light duty use, they should work fine.

If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cash!

--Apple-Mail-23646ABE-5571-49F3-91E4-B744F75833FF-- --===============0091343494820141132== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0091343494820141132==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 18 20:22:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7426425884BB for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:22:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D48F25886CB for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:07:24 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ggev20xzKV2R3if28X5oPmtodluTP3K9OL4EhIuWpW5qzYfmcKJL+qQnpSq1pDOL; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.133.217] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1c7u8H-0007AR-EG; Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:07:53 -0500 To: John Miller , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51eb071a-9666-0904-2a07-9bf47a0c5ffb@milleredp.com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:07:26 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a battery tender that I put on the Triumphs every so often for a few days. It seems to help. When charging power is needed, I have a Die Hard charger that has held up very well. It charges at 2 or 12 amps and has a 75 amp jump start mode if you let the batteries go too low. It was purchased over 20 years ago, so don't know it Sears is still good. Since Costco was mentioned, they currently have a battery tender on sale for $29.99 with free shipping. It has 16 Five star reviews and none of any other star rating. (I have no financial interest in Costco - just a happy customer) Battery Tender Power Plus 3 Amp Charger http://www.costco.com/Battery-Tender-Power-Plus-3-Amp-Charger.product.100241973.html Brian On 11/18/2016 10:09 AM, John Miller wrote: >> What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of >> ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use >> Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just need >> a different model of theirs?) > > Not to thread-hijack but maybe the information overlaps. > > I've got a little BatteryMinder that came from Northern Tool on sale, > it does a good job of keeping my trailer's winch battery happy but it > won't restore a truly dead battery. > > I'm looking for a new full-scale battery charger, I had a Black and > Decker/Vector that was the absolute tits, it could fix just about any > battery that could be fixed, but it failed a couple years back and > that model is no longer available. > > Replaced it with a Schumacher that proved to be a disappointment and > has now croaked as well, probably fixable but I'm not sure I care, I > just don't like it enough to bother. > > So...next? Thanks for any suggestions. I'm at the point that if > there were something truly good out there, I'd pay bucks. > > John. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 21 09:23:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1F42587F30 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:23:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt0-f170.google.com (mail-qt0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4DE2586217 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt0-f170.google.com with SMTP id p16so205352502qta.0 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:12:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hSw1quLxCfwk+X+8xHBFzGUCSO3SJjtcEGgLXMTAgGY=; b=IF9glsKLVkG8nKjH6LVoYuYMYQMH0BBPW2xK/omS2+Hlmxnd9e3hK9srAZIixDmPnQ ty5QLa0LsLM7wX/P58l3t/9RdbIoEMyys/6hHggaa0ja7+mZxy/xWhFe+TlLGKqsqCDC Bs/UsHlbnsYdw2IUEKnHk6FmNrUPHyaV7eML0qBgPJDJe/PaydRtbxQFBxazga0Y8WFv pTwI61z/i5sMHnMHLvvDfZjkFaxvcVzBZ94W4WMjtzbgleUb3Bwum5qal0MYpZ7MT0sZ oAmNuvXiM5c2fUtOIxsUudesEWnkbUsDwY6EQ5wQ8eZcm1TIDEp2VL+7R0HgiNNJWB51 HE3A== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hSw1quLxCfwk+X+8xHBFzGUCSO3SJjtcEGgLXMTAgGY=; b=Cj0a5bMnPIAuktVrxj68pMmkcWQZEAUKyPiKqnRbk+T5AJAzzOTlrHvpwCoE2lUN+O l4Q7L+QcCysy79aHA5n2QhQjYOjmYsHf1aEMcAGHeoFeQQTwWVpr6DZXC3z/bvAlrou4 571oGVDhncDxlIJ2B3VY0UCg4ywVqzLVWLaKIIx7PfBMqy0YLmzg0MoqvvC5SR/ubfnB d5ayctPPrwMoVlzoNYJTyA+xHF/ZgGbR/X04tnFzaTGmUsjqkFeo2KwrYORT1IyXuBy1 kZ3I3dlljW1LBBzttkwygq9qF2lQ8jEBoQYe6qMV7eVjxkqwhjqU+L/cvYrUo/sPmHNY jDoQ== Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.12.165.165 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:12:18 -0800 (PST) References: <18E12BBE-9FB6-48B5-9CBA-4089B79D5D52@gmail.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:12:18 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3368312104224838146== --001a113f6d16b4e6ee0541d1ecb2 Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A 12V unit (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the time (2012, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now. -Peter On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > > > On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > > Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually > go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on > pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks > issue.) > > > > I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that > can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really > to fail. > > > Go jacks are entirely mechanical. The lifting mechanism The habot > freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and > with poorer paint and crappier casters. But for light duty use, they > should work fine. > > > If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious > cash! > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ > peterwmurray@gmail.com > > > --001a113f6d16b4e6ee0541d1ecb2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A = 12V unit (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery = types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the time (20= 12, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now.

-Peter

On Fri, No= v 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com>= wrote:

On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.=C2=A0 They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks.=C2=A0 They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement.=C2=A0 I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)

=C2=A0I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time.=C2=A0 These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fai= l.

Go jacks are entirely mechanic= al.=C2=A0 The lifting mechanism =C2=A0The habot freight version is a direct= copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer paint and crap= pier casters.=C2=A0 But for light duty use, they should work fine.=C2=A0

If you ever wanted a set, order th= em now for $70 each and save serious cash!

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--001a113f6d16b4e6ee0541d1ecb2-- --===============3368312104224838146== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3368312104224838146==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 21 12:25:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1F12587D1D for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:25:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26D125879AD for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22AB158195 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8W_mlMfj0Zw1 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (bi-03pt2.bluebird.ibm.com [129.42.208.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 776D715817A for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <18E12BBE-9FB6-48B5-9CBA-4089B79D5D52@gmail.com> From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:40:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1770440969958242927== boundary="------------5C01B9DC2C7F86C939FCE730" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C01B9DC2C7F86C939FCE730 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also have a 2/4/8A model BatteryMinder. Don't remember when I bought it. Maybe 10 years ago? I bought mostly on the strength of positive reviews given to the charger's de-sulfation circuit. My hope was to revive some (AGM) UPS batteries that had lost capacity. Unfortunately, after a few months' worth of tests, none of the batteries showed noticeable improvement. Perhaps their plates were just too badly damaged. Seems to do a reasonable job slow-charging vehicle and mower batteries though. On 11/21/2016 11:12 AM, Peter Murray wrote: > Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A 12V unit > (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery > types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the > time (2012, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now. > > -Peter > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt > > > On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com > >> >> Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like >> actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I >> can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, >> but that isn't the jacks issue.) > > >> I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have >> seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there >> isn't anything really to fail. > > Go jacks are entirely mechanical. The lifting mechanism The > habot freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just > made in China and with poorer paint and crappier casters. But for > light duty use, they should work fine. >> >> If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save >> serious cash! >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------5C01B9DC2C7F86C939FCE730 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I also have a 2/4/8A model BatteryMinder. Don't remember when I bought it. Maybe 10 years ago? I bought mostly on the strength of positive reviews given to the charger's de-sulfation circuit. My hope was to revive some (AGM) UPS batteries that had lost capacity. Unfortunately, after a few months' worth of tests, none of the batteries showed noticeable improvement. Perhaps their plates were just too badly damaged.

Seems to do a reasonable job slow-charging vehicle and mower batteries though.

On 11/21/2016 11:12 AM, Peter Murray wrote:

Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A 12V unit (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the time (2012, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now.

-Peter

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)

I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.

Go jacks are entirely mechanical. The lifting mechanism The habot freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer paint and crappier casters. But for light duty use, they should work fine.

If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cash!

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--------------5C01B9DC2C7F86C939FCE730-- --===============1770440969958242927== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1770440969958242927==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 22 07:41:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E5A25882A1 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:41:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it0-f54.google.com (mail-it0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391A12587D7C for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:32:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-it0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j191so13050908ita.1 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 06:33:43 -0800 (PST) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pB3D4ShfPOQYNMBXI1lIU9i6hJaVZkzwwxzC7dEpG8Q=; b=F1KAzYMpqc8Rw1R4deh1q3FmZNOIyJ5Lt9GEveXkqeikRrKlUjs3JoPZjcxGd/z7KX bDc8viwHWGolsyVnjLN/ifykJ20NsL4IHYona41l5SzUfICKOcOc/QoF4VWusGmS3pYk Kj5hRnFTbpt7dqB7wp505nJa4rEFTB8AYGmCU= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pB3D4ShfPOQYNMBXI1lIU9i6hJaVZkzwwxzC7dEpG8Q=; b=a76ei5jrIq+KYzRmqlYN4HlwzUxrs7T1AS8oolsGGNRfMLLwCkgcfRfO+/oIvaJFXf wkMQQmcVzXVWgb8SQvG28lAwWnNzKMf7W4sJ7WP4gRfWAakxuEPP569xBkkrGpBFqMrz F66G7yMbmEn6kjAB4ElmQSp1yTiSQ/Y6QhNXfc/el0fDhxLrtuW0sckW7VDL+7QufTzg tqwQEVCBQiXpCEIh6Mzwtvy/AGVEiDARpyvDRQSPdujz7jU/5TXB1Ke2RK1p5bPUCCQN Sb7S8HzJYx+GmSxzk1MquJ70oohY2h6TEKKTbN4NUkwkkXYaMovDve/PVkXgbh/huPop rK4w== Tue, 22 Nov 2016 06:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.168.155 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2016 06:33:31 -0800 (PST) References: From: Ian McFetridge Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:33:31 -0500 To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2989568786917795569== --94eb2c05ce501b23ff0541e4a8db I've had good luck with the Battery Tender, bought the first one below after learning it was the one BMW rebranded and sold for a lot more. I used it continuously for two years on my M3 without any issues, and the quick connect made it, well, quick to disconnect and reconnect. The M3 had a habit of killing it's battery just sitting in the garage, but the tender took care of that issue. The small tender (Junior .75A), I used for my small gas generator, again, constantly on for several years without issue. - Ian Ordered on January 1, 2014 (2 items) Battery Tender 081-0148-25 25' Quick Disconnect Extension Cable Battery Tender Sold by: Amazon.com LLC Ordered on January 1, 2014 (2 items) Battery Tender 021-0128 Battery Tender Plus 12V Battery Charger Battery Tender Sold by: Amazon.com LLC Ordered on March 24, 2012 (6 items) Battery Tender 021-0123 Battery Tender Junior 12V Battery Charger Battery Tender Sold by: Amazon.com LLC On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, wrote: > Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" > type debate. > > What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of > ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use Shumakers, > but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just need a different > model of theirs?) > > Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I want > something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a forklift, > motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items. > > TIA. > > > Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually > go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on > pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks > issue.) I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have > seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't > anything really to fail. > > If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious > cash! > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > > --94eb2c05ce501b23ff0541e4a8db Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've had good luck with the B= attery Tender, bought the first one below after learning it was the one BMW= rebranded and sold for a lot more.=C2=A0 I used it continuously for two ye= ars on my M3 without any issues, and the quick connect made it, well, quick= to disconnect and reconnect.=C2=A0 The M3 had a habit of killing it's = battery just sitting in the garage, but the tender took care of that issue.= =C2=A0

The small tender (Junior .75A), I used for my small ga= s generator, again, constantly on for several years without issue.=C2=A0

- Ian

Or= dered on January 1, 2014 (2 items)

Battery=C2=A0Tender=C2=A0081-0148-25 25' Quick Disconnect Extension Ca= ble

Battery=C2=A0Tender

Sold by: Amazon.com LLC

Ordered on Jan= uary 1, 2014 (2 items)

Battery=C2=A0Tender= =C2=A0021-0128=C2=A0Battery=C2=A0Tender=C2=A0= Plus 12V=C2=A0Battery= =C2=A0Charger=

Battery=C2=A0Tender

Sold by: Amazon.com LLC

Ordered on March 24,= 2012 (6 items)

Battery=C2=A0= Tender=C2=A0021-0123=C2=A0Ba= ttery=C2=A0Ten= der=C2=A0Junior 1= 2V=C2=A0Battery=C2=A0Charger

Battery=C2=A0Tender

Sold by: Amazon.com LLC

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, <eric@megageek= .com> wrote:

Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" type debate.

What is currently the best trickle= charger on the market?=C2=A0 I'm tried of ones that break or don't seem to = work properly.=C2=A0 I currently use Shumakers, but they don't seem to be do= ing the job. =C2=A0(Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)

Price isn't a huge issue, (und= er $200 a piece I would guess.) =C2=A0But I want something that will work.=C2=A0 I use them, all the time, on a forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.

TIA.

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.= =C2=A0 They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks.=C2=A0 They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement.=C2=A0 I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.) =C2=A0I'm thinki= ng the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time.=C2=A0 These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fai= l.

If you ever wanted a set, order th= em now for $70 each and save serious cash!

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio= nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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--94eb2c05ce501b23ff0541e4a8db-- --===============2989568786917795569== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2989568786917795569==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 26 11:08:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C995325893A2 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:08:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ED12589372 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:49:40 -0700 (MST) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:50:22 -0500 11/26/2016 12:50:37 PM, Serialize complete at 11/26/2016 12:50:37 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] degressers Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1732431529906277656== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0062005685258077_= Anyone have an opinion on degressers? I'm looking for a good 'spray on' type then rinse off. What REALLY works well? Thanks. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0062005685258077_= Anyone have an opinion on degressers?

I'm looking for a good 'spray on' type then rinse off. What REALLY works well? Thanks.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0062005685258077_=-- --===============1732431529906277656== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1732431529906277656==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 26 11:52:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77EB2588D51 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:52:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E594D2589252 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6C16A59E; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 18:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JAbblBUUQStM; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 18:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.147.113]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B090939974; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:48:45 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] degressers Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2935214551785569383== boundary="------------26983B6DB9691876B3223A21" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------26983B6DB9691876B3223A21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are you de-greasing, and what kind of finish is under the grease? When you spray the degreaser on and rinse it off, where is the runoff going to go? (Hopefully not into your well...). Years ago I used to use Gunk spray degreaser on nasty engines; it took a couple of applications sometimes but seemed to work pretty well. I don't know if it's been reformulated to be more eco friendly or not; I haven't used it for years. For really nasty stuff, oven cleaner works pretty well. The stuff from the dollar store is as good as any. The problem with oven cleaner (other than the obvious precautions to keep it out of your eyes and off your skin) are that it will remove paint as well, and it's can discolor (at best) or dissolve (at worst) aluminum. That being said, I have used it on a number of really nasty motorcycle engines and never had one dissolve or fall apart, although it did mess up the finish on one Honda engine. Another alternative if your degreasing project is portable is to take it to your local coin operated car wash. Some of them have "steam cleaners", actually hot water, for degreasing engines and undercarriages, and the good thing about most car washes is that they process the waste water. On 11/26/2016 9:50 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Anyone have an opinion on degressers? > > I'm looking for a good 'spray on' type then rinse off. What REALLY > works well? Thanks. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --------------26983B6DB9691876B3223A21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What are you de-greasing, and what kind of finish is under the grease? When you spray the degreaser on and rinse it off, where is the runoff going to go? (Hopefully not into your well...).

Years ago I used to use Gunk spray degreaser on nasty engines; it took a couple of applications sometimes but seemed to work pretty well. I don't know if it's been reformulated to be more eco friendly or not; I haven't used it for years.

For really nasty stuff, oven cleaner works pretty well. The stuff from the dollar store is as good as any. The problem with oven cleaner (other than the obvious precautions to keep it out of your eyes and off your skin) are that it will remove paint as well, and it's can discolor (at best) or dissolve (at worst) aluminum. That being said, I have used it on a number of really nasty motorcycle engines and never had one dissolve or fall apart, although it did mess up the finish on one Honda engine.

Another alternative if your degreasing project is portable is to take it to your local coin operated car wash. Some of them have "steam cleaners", actually hot water, for degreasing engines and undercarriages, and the good thing about most car washes is that they process the waste water.

On 11/26/2016 9:50 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

Anyone have an opinion on degressers?

I'm looking for a good 'spray on' type then rinse off. What REALLY works well? Thanks.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
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The wood one rotted away. I'd li= ke to replace it with a glass handle. Anyone have any thoughts on where I c= an get one? I've searched online and not found anything. A regular shovel h= andle won't work because it is too big in diameter. If push comes to shove = I can slit the metal sleeve and spread it wide enough for a shovel handle b= ut I think that will just lead to the metal failing in the long run. thanks tim --_000_CY1PR13MB0314B29BFB0746D5EBF6D88EB4880CY1PR13MB0314namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have an ice chipper in need of a handle. The wood one rotted away. I'd= like to replace it with a glass handle. Anyone have any thoughts on where = I can get one? I've searched online and not found anything. A regular shove= l handle won't work because it is too big in diameter. If push comes to shove I can slit the metal sleeve an= d spread it wide enough for a shovel handle but I think that will just lead= to the metal failing in the long run.

thanks

tim

--_000_CY1PR13MB0314B29BFB0746D5EBF6D88EB4880CY1PR13MB0314namp_-- --===============6115152685753421555== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6115152685753421555==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 27 14:02:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E827A2587F48 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:02:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31B2F2589014 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:50:10 -0700 (MST) t=1480279847; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=AMLNG6+3ZNKQA434HthkCWYoBz9Q1cyALzvr1xHgqoTWqQXwWMmIEPvlewoOFdczx dHtv/g5j2to6Md5SLjX4fkXn7TVgUAAP45eUpfy3FuuvpwHotg9LTWfisOdPboNOBE ocgWIihFD8GjLhy2P6tYRcrFk/jKqAcXOcY3dDm8= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.153]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABNDYTZUABJEWN2 for (sender ); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [173.18.248.90] by webmail13.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:48:31 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:48:31 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Engineering question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4398739631298720444== ----__JWM__J3df735da.199e4ee5S.385663e2M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plenty to be thankful f= or! I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop.I got a good deal on = an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diameter 68" long) and need to co= nstruct a stand for it.These are normally secured on the truck with meta= l straps or bands. For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" = from pressure treated 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V.I would ti= e them together with 2x4 s to keep them from cocking. I figure I would = be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to make sure. Question: If I went wit= h only 2 supports and kept them out on the ends, would the bending momen= t (bowing) threaten the integrity of the tank?150 gallons is about 1000#= . Similarly, would the reduced "contact patch" of X mounts vice continu= ous straps threaten the tank walls? I am sure I could dig out my old Sta= tics book and find the equation, but don't have a design bending limit f= or the tank.I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at th= e ends would be too risky. Thanks for your thoughts,Matt in GA ----__JWM__J3df735da.199e4ee5S.385663e2M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plenty to be= thankful for!

I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop.

I got a good deal on an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diameter= 68" long) and need to construct a stand for it.

These are normally secured on the truck with metal straps or bands.=

For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" from pressure = treated 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V.

I would tie them together with 2x4 s to keep them from cocking. &nb= sp;I figure I would be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to make sure.

Question: If I went with only 2 supports and kept them out on= the ends, would the bending moment (bowing) threaten the integrity of t= he tank?

150 gallons is about 1000#. Similarly, would the reduced "con= tact patch" of X mounts vice continuous straps threaten the tank walls?<= /div>

I am sure I could dig out my old Statics book and find the= equation, but don't have a design bending limit for the tank.

I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at the ends = would be too risky.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Matt in GA

----__JWM__J3df735da.199e4ee5S.385663e2M-- --===============4398739631298720444== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4398739631298720444==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 27 14:59:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7689C258913F for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:59:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com (mail-io0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC11258913C for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m5so62854993ioe.3 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:45:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2kaQEKukpeHDKtScTkB1I/yJ9FTjZRI5i/BWPc2a2M0=; b=Nl65PTMpAOYR0vDm1qyyWb2dvgI/S3scdFritrTzZ8SX5DzcxWgcPzsk/RCal67eRY sCTBzdweJqEcn7tciVlXmEg8S6TLH1+ilcO7IbDc2543yIa1D3kKs3U+mn+IjshrzcFd JY/9f6ASCfRgNppjebv7tQ+AD+S1X4ja28jDVcc/Oc5vPtnEg6XHuKFK+b2iRefBmwEk 1SCLnicYwjpBvtHw+EUEzs5zNiH+afNoNK5qWMd4wLOTPnGtwtuN+itijKz1WZadoVQT lQO2EXdxKd1XIYIa1RTSi/t+Y0RznlhLJO8i/18/EaYBpUprtLFkmrO6PT7uG6NVEHO2 S+Hg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2kaQEKukpeHDKtScTkB1I/yJ9FTjZRI5i/BWPc2a2M0=; b=O83kbIg2MHEeqOG6C98ZrNYSsmTO0bveP9lP5cuXUXPcQkPxN3AF3WpTVnHKNFpcpi zA2+04dGwUO77QWSYonByRyOYo0kQ2Gxildcwb2jgDT2SnzmJEjMjO0aWfazvq+7OCt2 15XH+9ck0Ld9aNiujiBMN/6xaH7K3ZGZFLbhrU9SYv2PwjKnJw3oyREe4+WTYsZmTfvx fldidxfq5YiBt4xYa3s/z5NTwn6JhZRR8lxSzXGZ9UP+qR0LHb/8jyekj+rVa/lvH/Lv ZiVpElTMeTx8GfjywNI3bHs9lxOvoQocKDi1rnw0A87sZl0VkLSZjQjnvbek9uJgBM4B 1aYA== Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.141.145 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) References: <20161127.154831.7282.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> From: John Innis Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:45:48 -0600 To: Matt Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Engineering question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3043198320049817519== --001a114f7e203fc3e105424f47bf Yes, truly an engineering question. It has been many years since I was in engineering school. But I know the answer to this one. You have not provided enough information to answer the question. We would need to know the wall thickness of the tank and type of aluminum. Measuring the wall thickness should be pretty easy, but figuring out the grad of aluminum may be very difficult. I suggest giving up on the engineering and resort to shade-tree mechanics. Use a piece of 3/4" plywood and cut a radius in it to match the tank, then bolt this between the upper arms of the 4x4 to make a cradle. Stack enough pieces of plywood together to match the width of the strap used on the truck. You know that method was sufficient under the dynamic load of a moving semi. Should be more than adequate for a stationary tank. It also has the added benefit of tying the 4x4's together at the point of load, so outward bending stresses will be reduced. Your 4x4 x ' should be fine as long as you use through bolts of adequate size to join the together in the middle and to bolt the ties at the base. To help insure the load on the 4x4's are minimized, you should cut the bottom ends to match the angle, so the sit flat on the floor. On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Matt wrote: > I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plenty to be thankful for! > > I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop. > I got a good deal on an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diameter 68" > long) and need to construct a stand for it. > These are normally secured on the truck with metal straps or bands. > > For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" from pressure treated > 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V. > I would tie them together with 2x4 s to keep them from cocking. I figure > I would be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to make sure. > > Question: If I went with only 2 supports and kept them out on the ends, > would the bending moment (bowing) threaten the integrity of the tank? > 150 gallons is about 1000#. Similarly, would the reduced "contact patch" > of X mounts vice continuous straps threaten the tank walls? > > I am sure I could dig out my old *Statics* book and find the equation, > but don't have a design bending limit for the tank. > I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at the ends would > be too risky. > > > Thanks for your thoughts, > Matt in GA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --001a114f7e203fc3e105424f47bf Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, truly an engineering question.=C2=A0 It has been many= years since I was in engineering school.=C2=A0 But I know the answer to th= is one.=C2=A0 You have not provided enough information to answer the questi= on.=C2=A0 We would need to know the wall thickness of the tank and type of = aluminum.=C2=A0 Measuring the wall thickness should be pretty easy, but fig= uring out the grad of aluminum may be very difficult.=C2=A0 I suggest givin= g up on the engineering and resort to shade-tree mechanics.=C2=A0 Use a pie= ce of 3/4" plywood and cut a radius in it to match the tank, then bolt= this between the upper arms of the 4x4 to make a cradle.=C2=A0 Stack enoug= h pieces of plywood together to match the width of the strap used on the tr= uck.=C2=A0 You know that method was sufficient under the dynamic load of a = moving semi.=C2=A0 Should be more than adequate for a stationary tank.=C2= =A0 It also has the added benefit of tying the 4x4's together at the po= int of load, so outward bending stresses will be reduced.=C2=A0 Your 4x4 x = ' should be fine as long as you use through bolts of adequate size to j= oin the together in the middle and to bolt the ties at the base.=C2=A0 To h= elp insure the load on the 4x4's are minimized, you should cut the bott= om ends to match the angle, so the sit flat on the floor.=C2=A0

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On Sun, Nov 27, 20= 16 at 2:48 PM, Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:

I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plen= ty to be thankful for!

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I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop.

I got a good deal on an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diamet= er =C2=A068" long) and need to construct a stand for it.

These are normally secured on the truck with metal straps or bands.
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For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" from pr= essure treated 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V.

I would tie them together with 2x4 s to keep them from cocking.=C2=A0 = I figure I would be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to make sure.

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Question: =C2=A0If I went with only 2 supports and kept them out on th= e ends, would the bending moment (bowing) threaten the integrity of the tan= k?

150 gallons is about 1000#.=C2=A0 Similarly, would the reduced "c= ontact patch" of X mounts vice continuous straps threaten the tank wal= ls?

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I am sure I could dig out my old Statics book and find the eq= uation, but don't have a design bending limit for the tank.

I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at the ends wou= ld be too risky.

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Thanks for your thoughts,

Matt in GA

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Straps are about 1/4 of the length from the = end which is where I would think you'd put them to minimize the bending. = Hard to believe that your static stresses would be anywhere near close = to what the tanks would see on an 18 wheeler pounding down the road. Brian in MI On Nov 27, 2016, at 4:45 PM, John Innis wrote: > Yes, truly an engineering question. It has been many years since I = was in engineering school. But I know the answer to this one. You have = not provided enough information to answer the question. We would need = to know the wall thickness of the tank and type of aluminum. Measuring = the wall thickness should be pretty easy, but figuring out the grad of = aluminum may be very difficult. I suggest giving up on the engineering = and resort to shade-tree mechanics. Use a piece of 3/4" plywood and cut = a radius in it to match the tank, then bolt this between the upper arms = of the 4x4 to make a cradle. Stack enough pieces of plywood together to = match the width of the strap used on the truck. You know that method = was sufficient under the dynamic load of a moving semi. Should be more = than adequate for a stationary tank. It also has the added benefit of = tying the 4x4's together at the point of load, so outward bending = stresses will be reduced. Your 4x4 x ' should be fine as long as you = use through bolts of adequate size to join the together in the middle = and to bolt the ties at the base. To help insure the load on the 4x4's = are minimized, you should cut the bottom ends to match the angle, so the = sit flat on the floor. =20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Matt wrote: > I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plenty to be thankful = for! > =20 > I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop. > I got a good deal on an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diameter = 68" long) and need to construct a stand for it. > These are normally secured on the truck with metal straps or bands. > =20 > For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" from pressure = treated 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V. > I would tie them together with 2x4 s to keep them from cocking. I = figure I would be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to make sure. > =20 > Question: If I went with only 2 supports and kept them out on the = ends, would the bending moment (bowing) threaten the integrity of the = tank? > 150 gallons is about 1000#. Similarly, would the reduced "contact = patch" of X mounts vice continuous straps threaten the tank walls? > =20 > I am sure I could dig out my old Statics book and find the equation, = but don't have a design bending limit for the tank. > I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at the ends = would be too risky. > =20 > =20 > Thanks for your thoughts, > Matt in GA > =20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6B097503-061C-43AE-840D-ED996EB3F4DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii I = looked at a photo online. Straps are about 1/4 of the length from the = end which is where I would think you'd put them to minimize the bending. = Hard to believe that your static stresses would be anywhere near close = to what the tanks would see on an 18 wheeler pounding down the = road.

Brian in MI

jdinnis@gmail.com> = wrote:

Yes, truly an engineering question. = It has been many years since I was in engineering school. But I = know the answer to this one. You have not provided enough = information to answer the question. We would need to know the wall = thickness of the tank and type of aluminum. Measuring the wall = thickness should be pretty easy, but figuring out the grad of aluminum = may be very difficult. I suggest giving up on the engineering and = resort to shade-tree mechanics. Use a piece of 3/4" plywood and = cut a radius in it to match the tank, then bolt this between the upper = arms of the 4x4 to make a cradle. Stack enough pieces of plywood = together to match the width of the strap used on the truck. You = know that method was sufficient under the dynamic load of a moving = semi. Should be more than adequate for a stationary tank. It = also has the added benefit of tying the 4x4's together at the point of = load, so outward bending stresses will be reduced. Your 4x4 x ' = should be fine as long as you use through bolts of adequate size to join = the together in the middle and to bolt the ties at the base. To = help insure the load on the 4x4's are minimized, you should cut the = bottom ends to match the angle, so the sit flat on the floor. =

On = Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:
I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving and have plenty to = be thankful for!

I am adding diesel storage capacity to my shop.

I got a good deal on an aluminum semitruck fuel tank ( 26" diameter = 68" long) and need to construct a stand for it.

These are normally secured on the truck with metal straps or = bands.

For my stand I am considering constructing large "X" from pressure = treated 4x4 and resting the tank in the upper V.

I would tie them together with 2x4 s to keep them from = cocking. I figure I would be safe with 3 Xs if any doubt, 4 to = make sure.

Question: If I went with only 2 supports and kept them out on = the ends, would the bending moment (bowing) threaten the integrity of = the tank?

150 gallons is about 1000#. Similarly, would the reduced = "contact patch" of X mounts vice continuous straps threaten the tank = walls?

I am sure I could dig out my old Statics book and find the = equation, but don't have a design bending limit for the tank.

I am anticipating that just 2 supports, especially out at the ends = would be too risky.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Matt in GA

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= --Apple-Mail=_6B097503-061C-43AE-840D-ED996EB3F4DA-- --===============4796365222386878137== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4796365222386878137==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 28 00:07:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21172588781 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:07:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484AB2587729 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 23:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id BFsmc8zCndC7rBFsmcmbYH; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:57:44 +0000 s=q20140121; t=1480316264; bh=bnm62ZflChOsOrxYIp3n3TSDTxk7N2fIS5LfKMAIFjA=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=MWL8yRU9ISbSPsSeTrTnTEcq8YNmnNc1kwzFgVXbesu6Oh/fUCLEp46X+bTP6fGqm C64DWimNffQS9muqeqQACbUIy3aqg+3IhIPOSr25Qyl7HzVQHK17LCDzsdXbKWXAxV Qn4SvgFalNRMmFPK2jbH3yftiK05VPZbR+Ha1GhiXUm95QfDXpS7i3IYvovBYl8Lo4 qgPUozxCBrBAldBDRqDkHFopnf3l64ES/FE1fRd1m5XqgQ9EiXL10jAlEsU4gH3oYQ pludM+OZHedeO/NlxkbYWJpxF8PQJce5E469G9biX3FYW2BYv7G7gf1Z7UT7H6mbgG d8OGvXXlyc9PQ== Received: from [IPv6:2601:600:4000:c205:6897:9794:2731:30d5] ([IPv6:2601:600:4000:c205:6897:9794:2731:30d5]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id BFskc2Wb3mhpSBFslc8lIl; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:57:44 +0000 To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" From: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:57:41 -0800 Importance: normal Thread-Topic: fiber glass ice shipper handle References: LCXha78Bm3unB1sJHYccyjmjufnNJyYYS+Gib9ahziCQIYzdz3Sd5p6bbQ37JTfWYsd9nDLjq8AkNufW2mTQMsIZYlRbFTP7c59lcLBuL19wyqTn+0uigiiW TM77PF5mRnnttjD24ftH1Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] fiber glass ice chipper handle Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1677804089595167034== boundary="_82A1AD00-A50D-41A5-AB49-A140349F01DD_" --_82A1AD00-A50D-41A5-AB49-A140349F01DD_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nupla sells replacement fiberglass handles for its tool line. A quick look= at the catalog shows lengths but not diameters. A call to customer service= might turn up something that fits your chipper. http://www.nuplacorp.com/products/replacement-handles/ Bob K --_82A1AD00-A50D-41A5-AB49-A140349F01DD_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nupla sells replacement fiberglass h= andles for its tool line.=C2=A0 A quick look at the catalog shows lengths b= ut not diameters. A call to customer service might turn up something that f= its your chipper.

http://www.nuplacorp.com/products/replacement-handles/

Bob K

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Here is the deal, I have a 14' high door with a commercial opener on it already. It has an "Open", "Close", and "Stop" button.

about 80% of the time, I don't need it to open to full height.

Do they make a garage door opener interface that would, by default only open the door at a preset level, if one remote was pressed but opened all the way if another one was pressed?

(or some other way to get the door only to open halfway but still be able to open all the way?)

I know I can press the button halfway up to get it to stop, but there is always the change that I don't open it high enough, or if my finger slips, it could start to close as I'm pulling in or out.

Let me know if you ever found something like this.

Thanks.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 005A93A88525807A_=-- --===============0029822607299858075== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0029822607299858075==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 29 11:24:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240892588800 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:24:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AC142586900 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:17:17 -0700 (MST) t=1480443479; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:Cc:Message-Id:To; b=pn1Q2BZ1evVorDoF20j3e10afvGURh1i/9Qi6pMsDrmkoQeU5gr4bajU43bXsjWLL pCVuXTknK6uVKPqUZElSu3novqgSDzJvdL/IOp0fPQo3Tfqhr9UfOQufw1CgSBrKYH d2XTO1pNLKPd2G+Jz8OjW6LTqnpxK2Y7RHOwQITE= Received: from [100.118.45.113] (50.sub-174-204-22.myvzw.com [174.204.22.50]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABND5TURAP2FCXA (sender ); Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Gpd4 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:17:49 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does this type of garage door opener exist? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4176628152059346116== boundary=Apple-Mail-BE04FF4B-47A7-4954-A0BA-7B24B367EBF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-BE04FF4B-47A7-4954-A0BA-7B24B367EBF7 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Common programming option on all of the newer closers.=20 GPD4 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:29 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > I am trying to find out if they make a special type of garage door opener.= =20 >=20 > Here is the deal, I have a 14' high door with a commercial opener on it al= ready. It has an "Open", "Close", and "Stop" button.=20 >=20 > about 80% of the time, I don't need it to open to full height. =20 >=20 > Do they make a garage door opener interface that would, by default only op= en the door at a preset level, if one remote was pressed but opened all the w= ay if another one was pressed?=20 >=20 > (or some other way to get the door only to open halfway but still be able t= o open all the way?)=20 >=20 > I know I can press the button halfway up to get it to stop, but there is a= lways the change that I don't open it high enough, or if my finger slips, it= could start to close as I'm pulling in or out.=20 >=20 > Let me know if you ever found something like this.=20 >=20 > Thanks.=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Tech Viper > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b= eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gpd4@j= uno.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-BE04FF4B-47A7-4954-A0BA-7B24B367EBF7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Common programming option on all of the newer closers.

GPD4

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:29 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

I am trying to find out if they make a special type of garage door opener.

Here is the deal, I have a 14' high door with a commercial opener on it already. It has an "Open", "Close", and "Stop" button.

about 80% of the time, I don't need it to open to full height.

Do they make a garage door opener interface that would, by default only open the door at a preset level, if one remote was pressed but opened all the way if another one was pressed?

(or some other way to get the door only to open halfway but still be able to open all the way?)

I know I can press the button halfway up to get it to stop, but there is always the change that I don't open it high enough, or if my finger slips, it could start to close as I'm pulling in or out.

Let me know if you ever found something like this.

Thanks.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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--Apple-Mail-BE04FF4B-47A7-4954-A0BA-7B24B367EBF7-- --===============4176628152059346116== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4176628152059346116==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 29 11:53:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388092588921 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:53:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com [17.110.78.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1554B25885A8 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:49:43 -0700 (MST) mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OHF00H002TXQE00@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:50:29 +0000 (GMT) t=1480445429; bh=3Ffd4SCVNfg2urWxYwEOC29hahzSic3jOutp7ylbThI=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=pbiQ+E4eF6dQeBuoaR1VYeuRHK40YVCXDzbYulS6iV19eiq8+uLEbvyPMe/HMvoIu eT/ylJYxWui1KsCkDOIDQBC+EISnd96BY0SVBldD4b4uSiNelimbVcecSYqjFwMN1i MwR3WcDny0JSuj+KXDiwgF8ho0w3D/4Xq2U38lzoKTPX6Um4EAqvh1H25hHHYyxcZi ZMOq60ZV/ErbRIZOHEXptYL9XjC87JIkA/CMS0CZX8Jf4uIHsoHxMvudCHx2iFsO9q EDPxdq0RL3n4hmhBxlZY/HQd2P1ctVErsfoip/NqrAWHWcmw6gyo4Uk8/t1pK1ms86 1PS6j4HLi4MdA== Received: from [192.168.50.99] (unknown [184.105.18.14]) by mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OHF002A23031060@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com>; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:50:29 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-11-29_05:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1034 suspectscore=4 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1611290312 From: Pat Horne Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:50:27 -0600 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does this type of garage door opener exist? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7308626223070487966== boundary=Apple-Mail-15276E6B-81B4-4368-9841-A964BF3F163D Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-15276E6B-81B4-4368-9841-A964BF3F163D charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, If your door uses a limit switch on the door or linkage itself, rather than i= n the actuator, you could add another limit switch at the desired height alo= ng with a switch to select which limit to use. It might be possible to rig a= n external limit & switch it as above with the internal limit.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Nov 29, 2016, at 10:29 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: I am trying to find out if they make a special type of garage door opener.=20= Here is the deal, I have a 14' high door with a commercial opener on it alre= ady. It has an "Open", "Close", and "Stop" button.=20 about 80% of the time, I don't need it to open to full height. =20 Do they make a garage door opener interface that would, by default only open= the door at a preset level, if one remote was pressed but opened all the wa= y if another one was pressed?=20 (or some other way to get the door only to open halfway but still be able to= open all the way?)=20 I know I can press the button halfway up to get it to stop, but there is alw= ays the change that I don't open it high enough, or if my finger slips, it c= ould start to close as I'm pulling in or out.=20 Let me know if you ever found something like this.=20 Thanks.=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Tech Viper "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-15276E6B-81B4-4368-9841-A964BF3F163D charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Eric,

If your door uses a limit switch on the door or linkage itself, rather than in the actuator, you could add another limit switch at the desired height along with a switch to select which limit to use. It might be possible to rig an external limit & switch it as above with the internal limit.

Peace,

Pat

Pat Horne

We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity

On Nov 29, 2016, at 10:29 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

I am trying to find out if they make a special type of garage door opener.

Here is the deal, I have a 14' high door with a commercial opener on it already. It has an "Open", "Close", and "Stop" button.

about 80% of the time, I don't need it to open to full height.

Do they make a garage door opener interface that would, by default only open the door at a preset level, if one remote was pressed but opened all the way if another one was pressed?

(or some other way to get the door only to open halfway but still be able to open all the way?)

I know I can press the button halfway up to get it to stop, but there is always the change that I don't open it high enough, or if my finger slips, it could start to close as I'm pulling in or out.

Let me know if you ever found something like this.

Thanks.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Tech Viper
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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--Apple-Mail-15276E6B-81B4-4368-9841-A964BF3F163D-- --===============7308626223070487966== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7308626223070487966==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 29 15:12:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F103258656C for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:12:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk0-f175.google.com (mail-qk0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA1C2586C35 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x190so190205923qkb.0 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) d=dougbraun.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8+YL1Vnw/cqOTNzbSs+o/vAahZYiXWQqa6zKMf0fkyg=; b=m3bVnZWXH8QXOunMXVonWT0YpJva/rIdTftIVFJTtYISLgGrSHgRBdioW3yjw3ocMr PBxz2Oxo9MR1RtFFipjqwezqmj0OzwsJIo7oPSoFRTnYZ77KdkkN7TFI88laoocdl4qe iY0Aa2OM0RmIuVB4/ZDSLYHWDteqQXqP9nOrM= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8+YL1Vnw/cqOTNzbSs+o/vAahZYiXWQqa6zKMf0fkyg=; b=gai2VOR1MhzsGYQA7Zo4X64EIaNCvZWB9Y6OCDsN0rxN9Rpo1onciNBafxrbltNmuR tTGfkfpsCtIVnndB1GYs67unhDGmedo/JXhgHsmxLgTB0gGZgOqiFPLbAkpJZapZj3hS KkcfQ4BKCa2s57yIyf4cA7sm9E7lvJq7p1LOFDNgHN25dYK8J6vEUmRsynDELPNvtOwx QmWyhOdE+nJC4CJJWyGzOKiKnmaeqV8h1aKwy05p/cn8m3UMGCwpDjsKlBm9iUjBCmxo 7hSI0zOTVyAUzlkNQxVhc71RWVf4k+9e2vA5leFfZyvHC+XJijAuSoz8n+kv0EERVixn yahw== Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.55.214.86 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:57:45 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Braun Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:57:45 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Air hose with 3/8" fittings? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8819483838558192065== --94eb2c07067eaf29cb054277ad28 Hello, I need to replace the crumbling air hose in my retractable air hose reel. It has 50 feet of 3/8" hose, but the hose has male 3/8" NPT fittings instead of the usual 1/4" NPT fittings. Does anybody have any suggestions where I could find an exact replacement? I really don't want to switch to 1/4" fittings, because I already have a high-flow Milton V-type coupler which screws directly on to the 3/8" threads. Thanks, Doug --94eb2c07067eaf29cb054277ad28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I need to rep= lace the crumbling air hose in my retractable air hose reel.

It ha= s 50 feet of 3/8" hose, but the hose has male 3/8" NPT fittings i= nstead of

the usual 1/4" NPT fittings.=C2=A0 Does anybody hav= e any suggestions where I could

find an exact replacement?=C2=A0 I= really don't want to switch to 1/4" fittings, because
I alread= y have a high-flow Milton V-type coupler which screws directly on to the 3/= 8" threads.

Thanks,

Doug

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I need to replace the crumbling air hose in my retractable air hose reel. > the hose has male 3/8" NPT fittings instead of the usual 1/4" NPT > fittings. If you can't find hose with 3/8" fittings (it doesn't seem very common) you could buy a new hose and have the old fittings re-attached. A place that makes hoses can re-use the old fittings and crimp them into the new hose. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 29 16:27:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772B52587BA1 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:27:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC3S35.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s35.hotmail.com [65.55.90.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24682588533 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:58:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.135]) by SNT004-OMC3S35.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:59:31 -0800 h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=08fjmVyoGAP9RQFUfXT4zOkJQdM/y+EtHIZMarGsekA=; b=rhMAxTrEpyPYyAQBtWTVwe5KnKa3kHuEbOHF00/jfHrV3jTDjfqV2J2xTDL//LvxzaFoqVYr8ldo/osiLiUR3fGdFX0K7snwl2P6v+0Hj+4mypRK7iBeHSP1bv4+HMeuTb9O50FnkHbmCMhgc8FHMkiXl3lsBslowPKPPXL6YNPqxsE0Sho4EFETma4hmLtJgvLCa8ZEv3+MKbGfdabLxRAxIFW62Wgoi0CbK15W1P/73/UQl6lZzTlV8gWesYgLrtrIxqcL4XZj0AIX3GImgJ1+sh5x9uQKy+s92GYVp/Me4y7TOGFC0HnvAC++BUv7b139MvrEK6C24Rj3z+isdA== Received: from BY2NAM01FT045.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.68.54) by BY2NAM01HT110.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.68.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.734.4; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:59:30 +0000 Received: from BN6PR2001MB0913.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (10.152.68.59) by BY2NAM01FT045.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.68.206) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.734.4 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:59:30 +0000 Received: from BN6PR2001MB0913.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.172.109.7]) by BN6PR2001MB0913.namprd20.prod.outlook.com ([10.172.109.7]) with mapi id 15.01.0747.018; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:59:30 +0000 From: Brian and Wendy To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Air hose with 3/8" fittings? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0510728666613650022== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BN6PR2001MB0913D8A9DACF734457455AACBB8D0BN6PR2001MB0913_" --_000_BN6PR2001MB0913D8A9DACF734457455AACBB8D0BN6PR2001MB0913_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a fan of the push on air hose and push on barb fittings. So I would bu= y my own length of hose and then the push on fitting with the 3/8" thread. Hose https://www.mcmaster.com/#push-on-hose/=3D1597wlx fittings https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-push-on-barbed-fittings-for-air= -hose/=3D1597xhy I don't buy them from McMaster. We have a couple of local industrial hose s= hops that carry the stuff. Brian ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Doug Braun = Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:57 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Air hose with 3/8" fittings? Hello, I need to replace the crumbling air hose in my retractable air hose reel. It has 50 feet of 3/8" hose, but the hose has male 3/8" NPT fittings instea= d of the usual 1/4" NPT fittings. Does anybody have any suggestions where I cou= ld find an exact replacement? I really don't want to switch to 1/4" fittings,= because I already have a high-flow Milton V-type coupler which screws directly on t= o the 3/8" threads. Thanks, Doug --_000_BN6PR2001MB0913D8A9DACF734457455AACBB8D0BN6PR2001MB0913_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am a fan of the push on air hose and push on barb fittings. So I would= buy my own length of hose and then the push on fitting with the 3/8" = thread.

Hose https://www.mcmaster.com/#push-on-hose/=3D1597wlx

fittings https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-push-on-barbed-fittings-for-air-hose/=3D= 1597xhy

I don't buy them from McMaster. We have a couple of local industrial hose s= hops that carry the stuff.

Brian

From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Doug Braun <doug@dougbraun.= com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:57 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Air hose with 3/8" fittings?

Hello,

I need to replace the crumbling air hose in my retractable air hose reel.

It has 50 feet of 3/8" hose, but the hose has male 3/8" NPT fitti= ngs instead of

the usual 1/4" NPT fittings. Does anybody have any suggestions w= here I could

find an exact replacement? I really don't want to switch to 1/4"= fittings, because
I already have a high-flow Milton V-type coupler which screws directly on t= o the 3/8" threads.

Thanks,

Doug

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It turns out that McMaster sells a pre-made 50-foot h= ose with the fittings I need fro about $50.

Thanks,
Doug

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Brian and Wendy <maynerdfami= ly@msn.com> wrote:

I am a fan of the push on air hose and push on barb fittings. So I would= buy my own length of hose and then the push on fitting with the 3/8" = thread.

Hose https://www.mcmaster.com/#push-on-hose/=3D1597wlx

fittings https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-push-on-barbed-fittings-for-ai= r-hose/=3D1597xhy

I don't buy them from McMaster. We have a couple of local industrial= hose shops that carry the stuff.

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