Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup)

From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:09:54 -0800

> What is currently the best trickle charger on the market?  I'm tried of
> ones that break or don't seem to work properly.  I currently use
> Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job.  (Maybe I just need
> a different model of theirs?)

Not to thread-hijack but maybe the information overlaps.

I've got a little BatteryMinder that came from Northern Tool on sale, it 
does a good job of keeping my trailer's winch battery happy but it won't 
restore a truly dead battery.

I'm looking for a new full-scale battery charger, I had a Black and 
Decker/Vector that was the absolute tits, it could fix just about any 
battery that could be fixed, but it failed a couple years back and that 
model is no longer available.

Replaced it with a Schumacher that proved to be a disappointment and has 
now croaked as well, probably fixable but I'm not sure I care, I just 
don't like it enough to bother.

So...next?   Thanks for any suggestions.  I'm at the point that if there 
were something truly good out there, I'd pay bucks.

John.

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From: Larry Spector <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:18:48 -0500

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I've got a couple of CTek chargers that have worked well for many years. I
never have to think about them, they just work.

-Larry

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil"
> type debate.
>
> ones that break or don't seem to work properly.  I currently use Shumakers,
> but they don't seem to be doing the job.  (Maybe I just need a different
> model of theirs?)
>
> Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.)  But I want
> something that will work.  I use them, all the time, on a forklift,
> motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve got a couple of CTek chargers that have worked we=
ll for many years. I never have to think about them, they just work.<div><b=
r></div><div>-Larry<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>=
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der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-ser=
if">Friends, I hope this doesn&#39;t turn into
a &quot;synthetic or conventional oil&quot; type debate.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What is currently the best trickle=
 charger
on the market?=C2=A0 I&#39;m tried of ones that break or don&#39;t seem to =
work
properly.=C2=A0 I currently use Shumakers, but they don&#39;t seem to be do=
ing
the job. =C2=A0(Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Price isn&#39;t a huge issue, (und=
er $200
a piece I would guess.) =C2=A0But I want something that will work.=C2=A0 I
use them, all the time, on a forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and
a few other items.</font>=C2=A0<br></blockquote></div></div></div></div>

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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:21:55 +0000 (UTC)

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Battery maintainers are much superior to simple trickle chargers. I ruined a battery once because most 'trickle chargers' will keep pushing current into the battery after it's fully charged. A maintainer will charge, then keep a 'float charge' on the battery and occasionally pulse it to undo sulfation. I've used this one for years with good results: 

http://tinyurl.com/hqsggc8 

NFI, just a happy customer. Battery Tender looks good, too, but I have no first-hand experience. 

Bob 

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From: [email-masked] 
To: [email-masked] 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:46:48 AM 
Subject: [Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight Go-Jacks followup) 

Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" type debate. 

What is currently the best trickle charger on the market? I'm tried of ones that break or don't seem to work properly. I currently use Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. (Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?) 

Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) But I want something that will work. I use them, all the time, on a forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items. 

TIA. 

Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. They are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavement. I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.) I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time. These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail. 

If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cash! 

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. 
Tech Viper 
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Battery maintainers are much superior =
to simple trickle chargers. &nbsp;I ruined a battery once because most 'tri=
ckle chargers' will keep pushing current into the battery after it's fully =
charged. &nbsp;A maintainer will charge, then keep a 'float charge' on the =
battery and occasionally pulse it to undo sulfation. &nbsp;I've used this o=
ne for years with good results:</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br><=
/div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><b>http://tinyurl.com/hqsggc8</b></di=
v><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><b><br></b></div><div aria-label=3D"Comp=
ose body"><b><br></b>NFI, just a happy customer. &nbsp;Battery Tender looks=
 good, too, but I have no first-hand experience.</div><div aria-label=3D"Co=
mpose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Bob</div><div><br></=
div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style=
:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: n=
ormal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font=
-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>[email-masked]<br><b>To: </b>Shop-talk@autox.=
team.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 18, 2016 9:46:48 AM<br><b>Subject=
: </b>[Shop-talk] What is the best trickle charger? (and Harbor Freight&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Go-Jacks followup)<br><div><br>=
</div><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: =
small;">Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional=
 oil" type debate.</span> <br> <br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-fa=
mily: sans-serif; font-size: small;">What is currently the best trickle cha=
rger on the market? &nbsp;I'm tried of ones that break or don't seem to wor=
k properly. &nbsp;I currently use Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doin=
g the job. &nbsp;(Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)</span> <b=
r> <br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: =
sans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size:=
 small;">Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) &nbs=
p;But I want something that will work. &nbsp;I use them, all the time, on a=
 forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.</span> <br> <=
br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans=
-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: sma=
ll;">TIA.</span> <br> <br> <br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family=
: sans-serif; font-size: small;">Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. &nbsp;T=
hey are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. &nbsp;They DO lift the traile=
r with no issues and I can move it on pavement. &nbsp;I does require alot o=
f force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.) &nbsp;I'm thinking the hy=
draulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over time=
. &nbsp;These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.</span=
> <br> <br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-fami=
ly: sans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-s=
ize: small;">If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save=
 serious cash!</span> <br><span size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-sty=
le=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small;" style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif; font-size: small;"><br> <br> Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 B=
aud Modem.<br> Tech Viper<br> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but =
if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch o=
f your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson </span><br>_________________________=
______________________<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></di=
v></div></body></html>
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From: Karl Vacek <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:35:08 -0600

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I=E2=80=99ve used BatteryMinders for more than a dozen years and have =
experienced excellent battery life on every battery I=E2=80=99ve kept on =
them.  I own 6 of the small ones and one of the large models.

=20

My airplane battery is on the large one whenever I=E2=80=99m not flying =
it.  Most aircraft batteries die in 2-3 years, and cost $250-$300.  Mine =
is 9 years old now and still starting the plane just fine.

=20

My lawn mower battery, lawn tractor battery, the car battery used for a =
12V winch, and the battery in Jill=E2=80=99s MG Midget all stay on the =
little BatteryMinders whenever not in use, and all are at least 7-8 =
years old now.  I use the other two BatteryMinders here and there on =
other batteries as needed.

=20

Without BatteryMinder protection, our regular car batteries last 2-3 =
years (Costco batteries - they now sell Interstate). I=E2=80=99ve used =
Costco=E2=80=99s warrantee many times, and keep buying them because of =
the warrantee.

=20

A BatteryMinder requires battery voltage over some threshold before it =
will function.  Bought a Vector charger a few years ago and it died =
=E2=80=93 it also required some threshold voltage before it would charge =
a battery.  I have a 1975 Schumacher charger on its third and I hope =
last set of diodes, used for emergencies =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99ll start a =
completely dead car with a couple of minutes=E2=80=99 boost charge.

=20

I=E2=80=99m convinced that BatteryMinder is the way to go.

=20

Karl

=20

=20

Friends, I hope this doesn't turn into a "synthetic or conventional oil" =
type debate.=20

What is currently the best trickle charger on the market?  I'm tried of =
ones that break or don't seem to work properly.  I currently use =
Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job.  (Maybe I just need =
a different model of theirs?)=20

Price isn't a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.)  But I =
want something that will work.  I use them, all the time, on a forklift, =
motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other items.=20

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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 used BatteryMinders for more than a dozen years and have experienced =
excellent battery life on every battery I=E2=80=99ve kept on them.=C2=A0 =
I own 6 of the small ones and one of the large =
models.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>My airplane =
battery is on the large one whenever I=E2=80=99m not flying it.=C2=A0 =
Most aircraft batteries die in 2-3 years, and cost $250-$300.=C2=A0 Mine =
is 9 years old now and still starting the plane just =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>My lawn =
mower battery, lawn tractor battery, the car battery used for a 12V =
winch, and the battery in Jill=E2=80=99s MG Midget all stay on the =
little BatteryMinders whenever not in use, and all are at least 7-8 =
years old now.=C2=A0 I use the other two BatteryMinders here and there =
on other batteries as needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Without =
BatteryMinder protection, our regular car batteries last 2-3 years =
(Costco batteries - they now sell Interstate). I=E2=80=99ve used =
Costco=E2=80=99s warrantee many times, and keep buying them because of =
the warrantee.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>A =
BatteryMinder requires battery voltage over some threshold before it =
will function.=C2=A0 Bought a Vector charger a few years ago and it died =
=E2=80=93 it also required some threshold voltage before it would charge =
a battery.=C2=A0 I have a 1975 Schumacher charger on its third and I =
hope last set of diodes, used for emergencies =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99ll =
start a completely dead car with a couple of minutes=E2=80=99 boost =
charge.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I=E2=80=99m =
convinced that BatteryMinder is the way to go.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Karl<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Friends, I =
hope this doesn't turn into a &quot;synthetic or conventional oil&quot; =
type debate.</span> <br><br><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What is =
currently the best trickle charger on the market?&nbsp; I'm tried of =
ones that break or don't seem to work properly.&nbsp; I currently use =
Shumakers, but they don't seem to be doing the job. &nbsp;(Maybe I just =
need a different model of theirs?)</span> <br><br><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Price isn't =
a huge issue, (under $200 a piece I would guess.) &nbsp;But I want =
something that will work.&nbsp; I use them, all the time, on a forklift, =
motorcycles, ATV, Generator and a few other =
items.</span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></=
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What is the intended use? I think there are two categories to consider - =
battery charger vs battery maintainer. There may be units that =
accomplish both but I suspect the cost of such may be higher than buying =
one of each type.=20

I have a Battery Minder (battery maintainer category) that I bought at =
Northern Tool a few years ago. On sale it cost ~ $25-$30. I rotate it =
around between my motorcycle, trailer winch battery & any car that =
doesn't get get driven regularly. It keeps these batteries well charged =
and ready for use.=20

Eric Russell
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have a Battery Minder (battery =
maintainer=20
category) that I bought at Northern Tool a few years ago. On sale it =
cost ~=20
$25-$30. I rotate it around between my motorcycle, trailer winch battery =
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any car that doesn't get get driven regularly. It keeps these batteries =
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:02:29 -0600

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> On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.  They are not hydraulic like actually g=
o jacks.  They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on pavem=
ent.  I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)=

>  I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that=
 can go bad over time.  These are mechanical and there isn't anything really=
 to fail.=20

Go jacks are entirely mechanical.  The lifting mechanism  The habot freight v=
ersion is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poor=
er paint and crappier casters.  But for light duty use, they should work fin=
e.=20
>=20
> If you ever wanted a set, order them now for $70 each and save serious cas=
h!=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, <a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks. &nbsp;They
are not hydraulic like actually go jacks. &nbsp;They DO lift the trailer
with no issues and I can move it on pavement. &nbsp;I does require alot
of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><font size="2" face="sans-serif"> &nbsp;I'm thinking the
hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over
time. &nbsp;These are mechanical and there isn't anything really to fail.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Go jacks are entirely mechanical. &nbsp;The lifting mechanism &nbsp;The habot freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer paint and crappier casters. &nbsp;But for light duty use, they should work fine.&nbsp;<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">If you ever wanted a set, order them
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From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 17:07:26 -0800

I have a battery tender that I put on the Triumphs every so often for a 
few days.  It seems to help.

When charging power is needed, I have a Die Hard charger that has held 
up very well.  It charges at 2 or 12 amps and has a 75 amp jump start 
mode if you let the batteries go too low.  It was purchased over 20 
years ago, so don't know it Sears is still good.

Since Costco was mentioned, they currently have a battery tender on sale 
for $29.99 with free shipping.  It has 16 Five star reviews and none of 
any other star rating.  (I have no financial interest in Costco - just a 
happy customer)

Battery Tender Power Plus 3 Amp Charger
http://www.costco.com/Battery-Tender-Power-Plus-3-Amp-Charger.product.100241973.html

Brian

On 11/18/2016 10:09 AM, John Miller wrote:
> I've got a little BatteryMinder that came from Northern Tool on sale, 
> it does a good job of keeping my trailer's winch battery happy but it 
> won't restore a truly dead battery.
>
> battery that could be fixed, but it failed a couple years back and 
> that model is no longer available.
>
> Replaced it with a Schumacher that proved to be a disappointment and 
> has now croaked as well, probably fixable but I'm not sure I care, I 
> just don't like it enough to bother.
>
> So...next?   Thanks for any suggestions.  I'm at the point that if 
> there were something truly good out there, I'd pay bucks.
>
> John.
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Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A 12V unit (model
12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery types as well
(AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the time (2012, on
Amazon). Not sure what they cost now.

-Peter

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.  They are not hydraulic like actually
> go jacks.  They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I can move it on
> pavement.  I does require alot of force to move, but that isn't the jacks
> issue.)
>
>
>
>  I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that
> can go bad over time.  These are mechanical and there isn't anything really
> to fail.
>
>
> Go jacks are entirely mechanical.  The lifting mechanism  The habot
> freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just made in China and
> with poorer paint and crappier casters.  But for light duty use, they
> should work fine.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A =
12V unit (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery =
types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the time (20=
12, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now.<div><br></div><div>-Peter</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, No=
v 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span class=3D"=
"><div></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, <a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans=
-serif">Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.=C2=A0 They
are not hydraulic like actually go jacks.=C2=A0 They DO lift the trailer
with no issues and I can move it on pavement.=C2=A0 I does require alot
of force to move, but that isn&#39;t the jacks issue.)</font></div></blockq=
uote><div><br></div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><font size=3D"2" fac=
e=3D"sans-serif"> =C2=A0I&#39;m thinking the
hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over
time.=C2=A0 These are mechanical and there isn&#39;t anything really to fai=
l.</font>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>Go jacks are entirely mechanic=
al.=C2=A0 The lifting mechanism =C2=A0The habot freight version is a direct=
 copy (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer paint and crap=
pier casters.=C2=A0 But for light duty use, they should work fine.=C2=A0<sp=
an class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">If you ever wanted a set, order th=
em
now for $70 each and save serious cash!</font>
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I also have a 2/4/8A model BatteryMinder.  Don't remember when I bought 
it.  Maybe 10 years ago?  I bought mostly on the strength of positive 
reviews given to the charger's de-sulfation circuit.  My hope was to 
revive some (AGM) UPS batteries that had lost capacity.  Unfortunately, 
after a few months' worth of tests, none of the batteries showed 
noticeable improvement.  Perhaps their plates were just too badly damaged.

Seems to do a reasonable job slow-charging vehicle and mower batteries 
though.

On 11/21/2016 11:12 AM, Peter Murray wrote:
> Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a 2/4/8A 12V unit 
> (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to different battery 
> types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a well-spent $110 at the 
> time (2012, on Amazon). Not sure what they cost now.
>
> -Peter
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David Scheidt <[email-masked] 
>
>
>
>     On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, [email-masked]
>
>>
>>     Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.  They are not hydraulic like
>>     actually go jacks.  They DO lift the trailer with no issues and I
>>     can move it on pavement.  I does require alot of force to move,
>>     but that isn't the jacks issue.)
>
>
>>      I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have
>>     seals that can go bad over time.  These are mechanical and there
>>     isn't anything really to fail.
>
>     Go jacks are entirely mechanical.  The lifting mechanism  The
>     habot freight version is a direct copy (probably exactly), just
>     made in China and with poorer paint and crappier casters.  But for
>     light duty use, they should work fine.
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      BatteryMinder.  Don't remember when I bought it.  Maybe 10 years
      ago?  I bought mostly on the strength of positive reviews given to
      the charger's de-sulfation circuit.  My hope was to revive some
      (AGM) UPS batteries that had lost capacity.  Unfortunately, after
      a few months' worth of tests, none of the batteries showed
      noticeable improvement.  Perhaps their plates were just too badly
      damaged.<br>
      <br>
      Seems to do a reasonable job slow-charging vehicle and mower
      batteries though.<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Another vote for the BatteryMinder units. I have a
        2/4/8A 12V unit (model 12248), and it has been great. Adapts to
        different battery types as well (AGM, Gel, Flooded). It was a
        well-spent $110 at the time (2012, on Amazon). Not sure what
        they cost now.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>-Peter</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, David
          Scheidt <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:46, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div><br>
                    <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Update on Harbor
                      Freight Go Jacks.  They
                      are not hydraulic like actually go jacks.  They DO
                      lift the trailer
                      with no issues and I can move it on pavement.  I
                      does require alot
                      of force to move, but that isn't the jacks issue.)</font></div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div><font face="sans-serif" size="2">  I'm thinking
                      the
                      hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have
                      seals that can go bad over
                      time.  These are mechanical and there isn't
                      anything really to fail.</font>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </span>Go jacks are entirely mechanical.  The lifting
              mechanism  The habot freight version is a direct copy
              (probably exactly), just made in China and with poorer
              paint and crappier casters.  But for light duty use, they
              should work fine. <span class=""><br>
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                    <br>
                    <font face="sans-serif" size="2">If you ever wanted
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I've had good luck with the Battery Tender, bought the first one below
after learning it was the one BMW rebranded and sold for a lot more.  I
used it continuously for two years on my M3 without any issues, and the
quick connect made it, well, quick to disconnect and reconnect.  The M3 had
a habit of killing it's battery just sitting in the garage, but the tender
took care of that issue.

The small tender (Junior .75A), I used for my small gas generator, again,
constantly on for several years without issue.

- Ian
<https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FW2MWW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
Ordered on January 1, 2014 (2 items)
Battery Tender 081-0148-25 25' Quick Disconnect Extension Cable
<https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FW2MWW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
Battery Tender
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Ordered on January 1, 2014 (2 items)
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Battery Tender
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> issue.)  I'm thinking the hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have
> seals that can go bad over time.  These are mechanical and there isn't
> anything really to fail.
>
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attery Tender, bought the first one below after learning it was the one BMW=
 rebranded and sold for a lot more.=C2=A0 I used it continuously for two ye=
ars on my M3 without any issues, and the quick connect made it, well, quick=
 to disconnect and reconnect.=C2=A0 The M3 had a habit of killing it&#39;s =
battery just sitting in the garage, but the tender took care of that issue.=
=C2=A0 <br><br></div>The small tender (Junior .75A), I used for my small ga=
s generator, again, constantly on for several years without issue.=C2=A0 <b=
r><br></div>- Ian<br><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail-a-fixed-left-grid g=
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ace">=C2=A0</span><span class=3D"gmail-matches" style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;font-weight:700">Tender</span></span></div><div class=3D"gmail-a-row" s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:788px"><span class=3D"gmail-a-size-smal=
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5);font-size:12px;line-height:1.5">Sold by: Amazon.com LLC</span></div></di=
v></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM,  <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"=
2" face=3D"sans-serif">Friends, I hope this doesn&#39;t turn into
a &quot;synthetic or conventional oil&quot; type debate.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">What is currently the best trickle=
 charger
on the market?=C2=A0 I&#39;m tried of ones that break or don&#39;t seem to =
work
properly.=C2=A0 I currently use Shumakers, but they don&#39;t seem to be do=
ing
the job. =C2=A0(Maybe I just need a different model of theirs?)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Price isn&#39;t a huge issue, (und=
er $200
a piece I would guess.) =C2=A0But I want something that will work.=C2=A0 I
use them, all the time, on a forklift, motorcycles, ATV, Generator and
a few other items.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">TIA.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Update on Harbor Freight Go Jacks.=
=C2=A0 They
are not hydraulic like actually go jacks.=C2=A0 They DO lift the trailer
with no issues and I can move it on pavement.=C2=A0 I does require alot
of force to move, but that isn&#39;t the jacks issue.) =C2=A0I&#39;m thinki=
ng the
hydraulic ones are NOT preferred as they have seals that can go bad over
time.=C2=A0 These are mechanical and there isn&#39;t anything really to fai=
l.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">If you ever wanted a set, order th=
em
now for $70 each and save serious cash!</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.<br>
Tech Viper<br>
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