From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 4 22:24:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1332587C69 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2016 22:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE74B2588B08 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2016 17:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E641B01 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2016 16:13:57 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=vGI1i7luNlJCyeJEEMksZj+H 2/Y=; b=fs4klC08U3x+hr3gQHkwfdhf3RHFB45SXqnUymb2Sa2jTPG8WqNXMSF1 ws7qlYZhWmfarQNnKy1SGCKa74GdWbXnDISDtggDPVhCw0p1XXhcMtpFrOc6i8BC 3PrknMFVe+AFCGiPOwyAzdM8YeS9BrlpbFub9diY5dgdJ7SECXM= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 703341B00 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2016 16:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 19:13:53 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Well tank losing air pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Is it still a shot tank? I soaped the air valve and don't see any bubbles. Can't think where the air might be going. The tank isn't rusty except for the round frame part at the bottom. Easy to replace and it'll probably cure it, but I'd really like to know for sure. Google wasn't much help, surprisingly. thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 5 01:41:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA92587A92 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 01:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A085D25883FC for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2016 22:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:60678] helo=RYPC) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5E/5C-28956-3D8FCC75; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 04:47:15 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , References: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 21:47:14 -0700 Thread-Index: AdIHLhBEUKA+IC2fRje8D3/xHa92CAAAjG4g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Well tank losing air pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more > and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no > water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Same thing happens with a tank that doesn't have a diaphragm. The air slowly dissolves into the water, so you don't see any bubbles, but the air cushion goes away. (So yes, I think you've got a bad diaphragm/bladder in the tank.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 5 17:56:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23512585B01 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a40.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85972588E99 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a40.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a40.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48EA600991C for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 07:09:01 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=IwFrZrQ75ZYlgX/7QQOxJcN9HZA=; b=F93F2lQbh8Nn FPSqTlXcGt4hD8GWthy1reqdifW11odKIplJaoBcB0f73RdhdyS6pfRnMNsCz/vV bYB557hIwLmTtEuJmK5wCtnMVvZf+/2KM9r3JXMYcXKBYY/tu3QOxStNufboD7Da MGmjo1fq2Fa+hTRnp460G8GOkJKi/q0= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a40.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F010600991B for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 07:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:08:59 -0400 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Well tank losing air pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not long after posting this I finally found a video where some glorious soul had taken one apart. My vision of the bladder holding the air was incorrect; the bladder holds the water, and the air is inside the tank. I then picked at a suspicious paint bubble and soaped it, and that's where I'm losing the air, pinhole leak. Here's the video if you'd like to see the innards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ybMRYrt8U jim On Sep 4, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Is it still a shot tank? I soaped the air valve and don't see any bubbles. Can't think where the air might be going. The tank isn't rusty except for the round frame part at the bottom. > > Easy to replace and it'll probably cure it, but I'd really like to know for sure. Google wasn't much help, surprisingly. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 6 00:27:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2192589547 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2016 00:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7932588532 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:02:05 -0600 (MDT) t=1473109334; bh=zOoLG0Yj4ARShxyGgRRreiBuHa8JmTZRrfy027cnMTM=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=E7O5gcA0qwqvDjea7RABE89COm5SO9F25QDIjKrgXCuzBQIl9nwh0Em9j1kx+8TFEYvWAtRHzMrvbacILEywTTV3PCWgfruTWIzSnSYWmvY87z9HJ++zSJYGLr+YaA/QwtTQU5y+NGzvW40fhUEsOEuKBd1PLwbXvPDRVzD92Ow= Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2016 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2016 21:02:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2016 21:02:14 -0000 A9ZCwx2h6W1xrP_kz78SoXPMEUIMr4RCS7qVv88A4rtuHyUL_a0QBhIXNf7t mpIwgUBr9YLeUr4XgWAF5H7CIGtLo0Q4Zpgp._jCaPVGhxyH4wIP5i1tAyy4 M5pxcYSI7I2PkycHA.fzMLJV6VY7u9S2Jts2kzKnca5khXfr8yVyrsbzyPQx Bm_y_YOPJrI77GtQIYdmgOgfeYDVHGFLIyvh18c_WRf70oeiheH0ybNbUrIS tWkVmU.4hEv8zhOacv0gKsH1.Zo1zyXxeV7rO_HXFYZaACDlcQXR4esZLCW4 q_GFGV.ixMYBTjFD6dd1W5un2JUnwCyGKnl34sEwMOYAXonyxuN.1R96lR2v crOBUoaTWhClFZaEMzEBzwimH.5i4WMTO2nqPr0pX2VrgKlyAbFHGGkYjQKV IlQkHXVRFcN0I09yPKm2LfFtoy8EQT781yYYHrtgkxPFePxgIb0vG0ieuS4B kwUHsT0U.zfnkVK6UABmNxET6SeJZegbpwj4qw0ZvPFCv1cg9 From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:02:13 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] cleaning my parts washer cleaner Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5418700306890417892== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F3_01D2078E.DDE72830" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01D2078E.DDE72830 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve got a table top parts washer...(old commercial unit I found = at a divorce sale) metal sink and top over a polyethylene tank (about 5 = gallons) I use super agitene solvent and after 5 years it=E2=80=99s = still doing the job. But... where it used to be nice and clear, = it=E2=80=99s getting grundgy now and I=E2=80=99m sure the tank has a = nice thick layer of crud on bottom. It=E2=80=99s starting to run a = little slow and I was going to clean everything out and see if that = helps. question... what=E2=80=99s the best =E2=80=98strainer=E2=80=99 material = to pour the solvent through ?? paint strainer? old tee shirt...?? I = can do this two or three times while I=E2=80=99m scrapping the tank = clean... john ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01D2078E.DDE72830 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve got a table top parts washer...(old commercial unit I = found at a=20 divorce sale)  metal sink and top over a polyethylene tank (about 5 = gallons)  I use super agitene solvent and after 5 years = it=E2=80=99s still doing=20 the job.   But... where it used to be nice and clear, = it=E2=80=99s getting=20 grundgy now and I=E2=80=99m sure the tank has a nice thick layer of crud = on=20 bottom.   It=E2=80=99s starting to run a little slow and I was = going to clean=20 everything out and see if that helps.
 
question... what=E2=80=99s the best =E2=80=98strainer=E2=80=99 = material to pour the solvent through=20 ??  paint strainer?  old tee shirt...??  I can do this = two or=20 three times while I=E2=80=99m scrapping the tank clean...
 
john
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I use these filters from Northern tool with good results.  http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200141024_200141024      John Mitchell  Shelton, CT


On 9/5/2016 5:02 PM, john niolon wrote:
I’ve got a table top parts washer...(old commercial unit I found at a divorce sale)  metal sink and top over a polyethylene tank (about 5 gallons)  I use super agitene solvent and after 5 years it’s still doing the job.   But... where it used to be nice and clear, it’s getting grundgy now and I’m sure the tank has a nice thick layer of crud on bottom.   It’s starting to run a little slow and I was going to clean everything out and see if that helps.
 
question... what’s the best ‘strainer’ material to pour the solvent through ??  paint strainer?  old tee shirt...??  I can do this two or three times while I’m scrapping the tank clean...
 
john


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All I have ever done with mine is put it in five gallon pails and let it settle out.  I pour the top into the parts washer and then discard the very last bit.  I don't throw away very much.  Agitene is great, but it is expensive! 

Maybe I am missing the whole point of a parts washer, but I also try not to put stuff in there that is too filthy.  If I can I do a little pre-cleaning with a scraper or garden hose depending on what the item is.  If I was in a commercial shop where the Safety-Kleen guy comes by on a regular schedule to swap out the solvent, it would be different. 

-Steve

At 06:51 AM 9/6/2016, john Mitchell wrote:

I use these filters from Northern tool with good results.  http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200141024_200141024       John Mitchell  Shelton, CT

On 9/5/2016 5:02 PM, john niolon wrote:
I’ve got a table top parts washer...(old commercial unit I found at a divorce sale)  metal sink and top over a polyethylene tank (about 5 gallons)  I use super agitene solvent and after 5 years it’s still doing the job.   But... where it used to be nice and clear, it’s getting grundgy now and I’m sure the tank has a nice thick layer of crud on bottom.   It’s starting to run a little slow and I was going to clean everything out and see if that helps.
 
question... what’s the best ‘strainer’ material to pour the solvent through ??  paint strainer?  old tee shirt...??  I can do this two or three times while I’m scrapping the tank clean...
 
john
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I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long like it current= ly does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run overnight or a few = times a day. The dehumidifier doesn't have this feature, and has a power on/off button t= hat must be pressed to turn it back on if power is cut or it's turned off. = So I can't just put it on a regular timer like a light switch. I could setu= p the timer to cut power, but when it calls for power again, it would not t= urn on. Perhaps opening it up and bypassing the power switch would work, though I'm= wondering if dehumidifiers need a "soft start" type of power switch in ord= er to prevent any damage if powered on suddenly. It's also under an extende= d warranty so I'm hesitant to "mod" it and void the warranty. Thanks --_000_BN3PR15MB07394C27440EF50137EDCF1B9AFB0BN3PR15MB0739namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Curious if there is a way to add a timer on an appliance like a dehumidi= fier. I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long like it currently = does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run overnight or a few tim= es a day.


The dehumidifier doesn't have this feature, and has a power on/off butto= n that must be pressed to turn it back on if power is cut or it's turned of= f. So I can't just put it on a regula= r timer like a light switch. I could setup the timer to cut power, but when it calls for power again, it would not tu= rn on.


Perhaps opening it up and bypassing the power switch would work, though = I'm wondering if dehumidifiers need a "soft start" type of power = switch in order to prevent any damage if powered on suddenly. It's also und= er an extended warranty so I'm hesitant to "mod" it and void the warranty.



Thanks

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Have you tried unplugging it, hold the= power button in, then plug it in? If it starts and holding the button down w= hile it is running doesn't cause any problems, just find a way to hold the b= utton down all the time & use a lamp timer  

Or you could rig a so= lenoid to push the button. 

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Human= ity


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:09 AM, PJ McGarv= ey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com> wrote:

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It's also under an > extended warranty so I'm hesitant to "mod" it and void the warranty. Just a WAG, but I'm guessing the power button is just a momentary switch that provides input to some sort of microcontroller. The microcontroller would handle any necessary conditions, like not restarting too soon after the compressor has been running. Check your owner's manual, there may be some way to program it to automatically restart after a power failure (ie an external timer comes on). Otherwise, I think you are stuck opening up the unit to parallel something across the power button. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 8 23:11:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E326E2587910 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 23:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4F8258966A for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 18:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y2so103509041oie.0 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:21:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=RKzLYB28K4HngjYdUyb/fZ0l5WFwkLIYJBUnJyxWn2g=; b=rMUbPlDsIoFH+IpeUcFVyRCu2MLFIRm63i6VML8NtJt8Z4s1NW+ReD/+3TpiP9ofk3 9q17bFVX064BbsRXAptjj1B2B177+/+ZKFV95HAYZZ244Ru0MLqYTiEj/TyEiPJsoQLc oAP22D/Zyt5B2VAWmsnDEp68Izq4OGLVSkNa9lLv03Q6f2+eL8NBzhczpOtNzmLW9ZIw 3GaEd7x48kpXKR+5rRVsfQhPNVhhY2612FL8dwUnhUDURuW5oq4lFnrhNQLseeE4ti/s YRTTPRNzlLZSm2NtruorNMwL+WSuMYYAReTJu7rzhFsBnP+1L7gXw/YtZNf8VdLhGyDE VqiQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=RKzLYB28K4HngjYdUyb/fZ0l5WFwkLIYJBUnJyxWn2g=; b=mqaOw6ChJmFrOtX17DVRN8YntVDWdQLu5ikLIlM8wYvbHMivm9YwHUXrWEVY4bFVwy MY8f4hK5/XT47eqmRznOi8GmoSkFOsbUSvKPYi0o6Pf2yqnMfUg5dUnhCKXd8W5NFuzI jzo4TStS0IJ/3GXV9nFqzpi+NKbFsED8I7JIhxQa2yDfLpvFl7Kndg/Qz9ESkyWxuYkW kC5+Trl3djgialRwdUt7aV4gf3QqhDYOlEc0PTzpJ0WVzPeKMA2zkW7AXoyqIrHvCFqx 5VYfkWqZEUCW/bC2BUAAuZvv+Q8lrVOnM4WAJZ9RcF95KrA8TDApfqMhWRDrl68O3daS pmQw== Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (c-24-12-248-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [24.12.248.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r72sm563430iod.43.2016.09.08.17.21.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:21:17 -0500 References: To: PJ McGarvey Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding timer to appliances/dehumidifier Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4465382759583328408== boundary=Apple-Mail-D6D35431-56FD-4DC5-8903-352B1A1F85F3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-D6D35431-56FD-4DC5-8903-352B1A1F85F3 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Sep 8, 2016, at 09:09, PJ McGarvey wrote: >=20 > Curious if there is a way to add a timer on an appliance like a dehumidifi= er. I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long like it current= ly does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run overnight or a few t= imes a day >=20 Buy a new one. Modern, efficient, dehumidifiers do this automatically. Set a= humidity , then they run until it's reached. After that, they come on brief= ly to run the fan and test the humidity level. Too high, they turn on the co= mpressor; low, they shut off until the next check time.=20= --Apple-Mail-D6D35431-56FD-4DC5-8903-352B1A1F85F3 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Curious if there is a way to add a timer on an appliance like a dehumidifier. I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long like it currently does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run overnight or a few times a day


Buy a new one.  Modern, efficient, dehumidifiers do this automatically. Set a humidity , then they run until it's reached. After that, they come on briefly to run the fan and test the humidity level. Too high, they turn on the compressor; low, they shut off until the next check time. 
--Apple-Mail-D6D35431-56FD-4DC5-8903-352B1A1F85F3-- --===============4465382759583328408== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4465382759583328408==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 9 00:25:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C260F258A071 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 00:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1C225886FD for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:32:16 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KrbyiE/qIqwF62QRE8b/ZyUr64Ax/euoKXcYwR4/GY4MvydFCw/L62mbi4QlWdsa; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.131.135] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1biBc5-0007IT-TK; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 22:32:22 -0400 To: PJ McGarvey , Shop Talk References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:31:33 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Adding timer to appliances/dehumidifier Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6605950037873457327== boundary="------------24182A5851FBD3EA6E14A4AD" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------24182A5851FBD3EA6E14A4AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dehumidifiers had a humidity control knob. I would expect you could just adjust that knob to the point where the only came on a few times a day. You might have to change it seasonally, but this adjustment means you don't have to open the case. Brian On 9/8/2016 7:09 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > > Curious if there is a way to add a timer on an appliance like a > dehumidifier. I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long > like it currently does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run > overnight or a few times a day. > > > The dehumidifier doesn't have this feature, and has a power on/off > button that must be pressed to turn it back on if power is cut or it's > turned off. So I can't just put it on a regular timer like a light > switch. I could setup the timer to cut power, but when it calls for > power again, it would not turn on. > > > Perhaps opening it up and bypassing the power switch would work, > though I'm wondering if dehumidifiers need a "soft start" type of > power switch in order to prevent any damage if powered on suddenly. > It's also under an extended warranty so I'm hesitant to "mod" it and > void the warranty. > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------24182A5851FBD3EA6E14A4AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My dehumidifiers had a humidity control knob.  I would expect you could just adjust that knob to the point where the only came on a few times a day.  You might have to change it seasonally, but this adjustment means you don't have to open the case.

Brian

On 9/8/2016 7:09 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote:

Curious if there is a way to add a timer on an appliance like a dehumidifier. I really don't need the dehumidifier to run all day long like it currently does, and trying to save a few bucks and have it run overnight or a few times a day.


The dehumidifier doesn't have this feature, and has a power on/off button that must be pressed to turn it back on if power is cut or it's turned off. So I can't just put it on a regular timer like a light switch. I could setup the timer to cut power, but when it calls for power again, it would not turn on.


Perhaps opening it up and bypassing the power switch would work, though I'm wondering if dehumidifiers need a "soft start" type of power switch in order to prevent any damage if powered on suddenly. It's also under an extended warranty so I'm hesitant to "mod" it and void the warranty.



Thanks



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--------------24182A5851FBD3EA6E14A4AD-- --===============6605950037873457327== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6605950037873457327==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 02:42:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BFA2587FD0 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 02:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [68.178.252.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5F62588A85 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([73.140.200.132]) by :SMTPAUTH: with SMTP id jflebImSWmG7Mjflfbpyr3; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:56:23 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:56:25 -0700 Importance: Normal WzPI+QxryJNjWLHYS5WFdX3jY3RC0SJJk+1LVDunEZXmVjddrrxuD5Mt Subject: [Shop-talk] Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7374110600265253405== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01D20D40.81B3FBD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01D20D40.81B3FBD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m familiar with a Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch=20 and maybe you are also. It is normally fitted between=20 a battery terminal and the outgoing cable. It typically=20 is fitted with a round green plastic knob that is unscrewed=20 or screwed down to to disconnect or connect the battery=20 to the electrical system. Here is my question....we own a JDM (Japanese Domestic=20 Market) automobile and it is fitted with a smaller automotive=20 battery that has significantly smaller diameter battery posts. The cable end fittings match the smaller posts. I=E2=80=99m trying to locate a source for the Battery Terminal = Disconnect=20 Switch with the green plastic knob that fits the smaller diameter=20 posts. Anyone have an idea? Super thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01D20D40.81B3FBD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m familiar with a Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch =
and maybe you are also.  It is normally fitted between
a battery terminal and the outgoing cable.  It typically =
is fitted with a round green plastic knob that is unscrewed
or screwed down to to disconnect or connect the battery
to the electrical system.
 
Here is my question....we own a JDM (Japanese Domestic
Market) automobile and it is fitted with a smaller automotive =
battery that has significantly smaller diameter battery = posts.
The cable end fittings match the smaller posts.
 
I=E2=80=99m trying to locate a source for the Battery Terminal = Disconnect
Switch with the green plastic knob that fits the smaller diameter =
posts.  Anyone have an idea?
Super thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01D20D40.81B3FBD0-- --===============7374110600265253405== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7374110600265253405==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 03:11:17 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6B62589744 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 03:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70BA258929A for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([73.140.200.132]) by :SMTPAUTH: with SMTP id jfsHb7EICGF6CjfsHbg2gB; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:03:14 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:03:16 -0700 Importance: Normal zgdZA0XFftEsBqyW6VQr9C8Y4JDECHtBXI+PMI6T4kguPAQK+yibFaPq Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch (Ooops) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0765196824946652794== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D20D41.7699EC40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D20D41.7699EC40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ooops, just found a source! Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA=20 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch I=E2=80=99m familiar with a Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch=20 and maybe you are also. It is normally fitted between=20 a battery terminal and the outgoing cable. It typically=20 is fitted with a round green plastic knob that is unscrewed=20 or screwed down to to disconnect or connect the battery=20 to the electrical system. Here is my question....we own a JDM (Japanese Domestic=20 Market) automobile and it is fitted with a smaller automotive=20 battery that has significantly smaller diameter battery posts. The cable end fittings match the smaller posts. I=E2=80=99m trying to locate a source for the Battery Terminal = Disconnect=20 Switch with the green plastic knob that fits the smaller diameter=20 posts. Anyone have an idea? Super thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D20D41.7699EC40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ooops, just found a source!
Thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56 PM
Subject: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect = Switch
 
I=E2=80=99m familiar with a Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch =
and maybe you are also.  It is normally fitted between
a battery terminal and the outgoing cable.  It typically =
is fitted with a round green plastic knob that is unscrewed
or screwed down to to disconnect or connect the battery
to the electrical system.
 
Here is my question....we own a JDM (Japanese Domestic
Market) automobile and it is fitted with a smaller automotive =
battery that has significantly smaller diameter battery = posts.
The cable end fittings match the smaller posts.
 
I=E2=80=99m trying to locate a source for the Battery Terminal = Disconnect
Switch with the green plastic knob that fits the smaller diameter =
posts.  Anyone have an idea?
Super thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D20D41.7699EC40-- --===============0765196824946652794== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0765196824946652794==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 10:49:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F15258868F for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688FC258975E for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:44:27 -0600 (MDT) bh=WEPQ4nXio4EfTV3scMSX2j7CuXS6h/TNSi4GczE+stk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=C3jniS9oUvWM6GUZmWVdQ3M+kQUsYfkwsTYxybo/JY54zDAwGIfsL/R5Ru/gzFfwv 6aD5EH/0H6VImWeu9GDyMZH7iqGVBR/0YG2l9djDk9cO+unm2iOJEqE5N+yjT1UXa9 jMhoH7YBDNDlm702I9tzTLmP/OjRJ02R7PiAmDc6tkYtZeDm+FB231AyYgo276ZI6i +P5uh0QmEs9Y7/XB0ZPoitYZzJ9iR+I5x52GeQ3w1BWcWZIjzhkrzW/AOtx44VJOk4 scQ0ucDQpmtpntyoFcrYfbMHhubN6VITC1ZXXJcfRS0EK4X2l2fMnA/f9ARIRwb/wo be8zuaHHBzDUA== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:117 a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=yDl5YoXVanOsgJpB4EwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=JtvkKr5biwYA:10 Received: from [74.90.183.198] ([74.90.183.198:35930] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 37/62-12497-8D018D75; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:44:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:36:23 -0400 To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References: <40E8099E8665401FB88F3C78538E6ABD@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch (Ooops) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Steve, My first thought was to look at suppliers in Japan. Glad you found what you need. Care to share your source with the rest of us, for future reference? -Steve At 01:03 AM 9/13/2016, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: >Ooops, just found a source! >Thanks. > >Steve Hammatt >Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 12:02:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A892587EB5 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F5258949E for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([73.140.200.132]) by :SMTPAUTH: with SMTP id jpeJbKddGk58JjpeJbO004; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:29:27 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Steven Trovato" , References: <40E8099E8665401FB88F3C78538E6ABD@StevePC> <37.62.12497.8D018D75@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:29:30 -0700 Importance: Normal 33bLJ2ko63RUyYVbrOoheCJ2rMrECJutTCkyQ8XxTh3DwuBdImUj5VSYQ41146VORMzJVf45fEXoAIDyAXfKKN8cRPiFv79gHew= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch (Ooops) Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1489460400960720789== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01D20D98.F2B4A200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01D20D98.F2B4A200 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got into eBay Japan and found a common =E2=80=9CJIS Battery = Switch=E2=80=9D=20 >From past experience I know that shipping small packet item from=20 Japan (or China) can be very inexpensive. So I may try one direct from=20 Japan, although I=E2=80=99m not sure of the quality. I=E2=80=99d like = to find a brass=20 switch, not a =E2=80=9Cpot metal=E2=80=9D painted to look like brass. This will be going on my wife=E2=80=99s 1989 Nissan S-Cargo. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steven Trovato=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:36 AM To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA ; Shop-talk@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch = (Ooops) Steve, My first thought was to look at suppliers in Japan. Glad you found=20 what you need. Care to share your source with the rest of us, for=20 future reference? -Steve At 01:03 AM 9/13/2016, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: >Ooops, just found a source! >Thanks. > >Steve Hammatt >Mount Vernon WA USA ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/13009 - Release Date: = 09/13/16 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01D20D98.F2B4A200 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got into eBay Japan and found a common =E2=80=9CJIS Battery = Switch=E2=80=9D
From past experience I know that shipping small packet item from =
Japan (or China) can be very inexpensive.  So I may try one = direct=20 from
Japan, although I=E2=80=99m not sure of the quality.  = I=E2=80=99d like to find a brass=20
switch, not a =E2=80=9Cpot metal=E2=80=9D painted to look like = brass.
This will be going on my wife=E2=80=99s 1989 Nissan S-Cargo.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:36 AM
To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA = USA ; Shop-talk@autox.team.net =
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect = Switch=20 (Ooops)
 
Steve,

My=20 first thought was to look at suppliers in Japan.  Glad you found =
what=20 you need.  Care to share your source with the rest of us, for =
future=20 reference?

-Steve

At 01:03 AM 9/13/2016, Steve Hammatt, = Mount=20 Vernon WA USA wrote:
>Ooops, just found a=20 source!
>Thanks.
>
>Steve Hammatt
>Mount Vernon = WA=20 USA




-----
No virus found in this = message.
Checked by=20 AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/13009 - = Release=20 Date: 09/13/16
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01D20D98.F2B4A200-- --===============1489460400960720789== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1489460400960720789==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 17:20:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D27258932C for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 17:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F732587751 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D696516A907 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IP3fKnmVzoi4 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.130.61]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 583347FB7 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:11:59 +0000 (UTC) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <40E8099E8665401FB88F3C78538E6ABD@StevePC> <37.62.12497.8D018D75@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <1B1E7208E65246E88DFFC72411C8DA84@StevePC> From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:12:11 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: Car Battery Terminal Disconnect Switch (Ooops) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Someone had a very sick sense of humor with both the design and the name.... On 9/13/2016 8:29 AM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Nissan S-Cargo --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 13 23:31:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581EF2585870 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 23:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D7B2585FE6 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:31:47 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:31:27 -0400 2013) at 09/13/2016 08:32:23 PM, Serialize complete at 09/13/2016 08:32:23 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2625689869613431157== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0002EB118525802E_= While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn into me. My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down the side of my truck. So, how do I buff out plastic? It didn't scratch the paint as it is proud of the paint. I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up. Any ideas? TIA. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0002EB118525802E_= While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn into me.  My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down the side of my truck.

So, how do I buff out plastic?  It didn't scratch the paint as it is proud of the paint.

I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up.

Any ideas?

TIA.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0002EB118525802E_=-- --===============2625689869613431157== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2625689869613431157==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 09:21:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6919258677B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38F6258934F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOPGTRP1AU (unverified [98.124.25.63]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 6.6d) with ESMTP id 655377972-1712458 for multiple; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:45:19 -0400 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: , References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:45:26 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGH5f8swnXhtSIQDv6Lb+ar3IuLCqENPm0w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3857548337811491095== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_052D_01D20E64.592C4E40" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_052D_01D20E64.592C4E40 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A clay bar & lubricant may work. "a clay bar will remove embedded surface contamination that still remains after a maintenance wash. Sometimes the contamination removed is not always visible on the paint to the naked eye." Doug Armstrong From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:31 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn into me. My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down the side of my truck. So, how do I buff out plastic? It didn't scratch the paint as it is proud of the paint. I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up. Any ideas? TIA. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _____ Spam Phish/Fraud Not spam Forget previous vote ------=_NextPart_000_052D_01D20E64.592C4E40 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A clay bar = & lubricant may work. 

 

“a = clay bar will remove embedded surface contamination that still remains = after a maintenance wash. Sometimes the contamination removed is not = always visible on the paint to the naked = eye.”

 

Doug = Armstrong

 

 

From:<= /b> = Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = eric@megageek.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:31 = PM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] = Buffing out plastic mirror bits

 

While I was in = DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn into me.  My = truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down the side of my = truck.

So, how do I = buff out plastic?  It didn't scratch the paint as it is proud of = the paint.

I didn't want = to just compound it and then scratch it up.

Any = ideas?

TIA. =


Sent = from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as = beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being = are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph = Waldo Emerson

------=_NextPart_000_052D_01D20E64.592C4E40-- --===============3857548337811491095== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3857548337811491095==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 09:50:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56B725892EF for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B04B2588CEF for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:41:16 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=0ZOY+l80EUD9aPsrkRtrLg==:117 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=jMvNmXPzHfsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=5GsDRK2tkR6c7PE1jegA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: from [10.40.66.7] ([10.40.66.7:40281] helo=md25.agate.dfw.synacor.com) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 3A/99-01738-58359D75; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:41:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > So, how do I buff out plastic? This might be a good time to pay a detail shop for their expertise. Eric Russell Mebane NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 13:25:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB3525887AC for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s4.hotmail.com [65.55.90.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100F82587F89 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.73]) by SNT004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:08:49 -0700 s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=scKqGfaQjd0W2va/b1ez31M7vkRLCU6vKg1Dxs/ENWQ=; b=c3GbvNRXEooAtlZHJ/TPnEVvxzKZ84oamHtB0aYGikEU/v7mgP4rVWkBKIeyuOiZWy1QezGkjEfp9M2kW8x9K5XIOp/ShpPCe6pv3+OIU+HI0jCSN6Bo7tAbYI6IU+MwHaIDoNbt1VrERzifSleh75RBWnjDkATB/mLxFUvreakhssJ2VwnKLvmvAbZbnpzTSXG+Zhx10cu3PcQuwbtLsU/iPwT771tWluJYBHS/Z8DHuZWGr4FEWMcuOil2h17KOzYOSfmCjV2xzbfs9HeSqiFBQ3lEedFOgFR1As8fL83g9krD8GVUDV51p4nRAXu+14BeZCvkLca7zaSMJZg2eA== Received: from CO1NAM04FT050.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.54) by CO1NAM04HT116.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA_P384) id 15.1.619.6; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:08:48 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0617.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.90.53) by CO1NAM04FT050.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.619.6 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:08:47 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0617.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.151]) by DM3PR13MB0617.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.151]) with mapi id 15.01.0629.006; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:08:47 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Thread-Index: AQHSDkpZtKsIeGB+9EecRLmh13Q82KB4/skAgAAo7Q0= Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:08:47 +0000 References: , <167228375.38460153.1473860484939.JavaMail.root@mebtel.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.90.53) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 10.152.90.53 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [HUC58YCRiii9RQGKk8X1cogFWSOVlNLh] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CO1NAM04HT116; 6:sro4IT0OcjypwxKtdUexOlpgGdy/NQvlOlcv6YfiFcWW9Yf9WtMjASFsuLy6mF01ZyzRAB/HG5ARQDTQwd74FMAUYi05yWxxJGc/fuYFQ4r2B5BIRz7kJIMA2dlxs/Mx9Av940Jikkf1Lp7IJwR2y4zFQLw2yi/PIrzJ5FiDlE4nJsMHNWqV3+nqXSHD/ZQNLPnjjGdB5YW1P3xFGo/u/IY2zNCNEH386FMEGEjmcWSe7gzM0DrFJQshBfzi0SERpGOVQVegBhLayB6sWONfsdam1xJOLHLtq1LvwPFOoQ2OnoDxlvd0KV7KZ5Y7sTQvk31J6M3tWSxTvUauIJpQGg==; 5:56pzeJrM6dB6UHk7SnENycmL6NMOehCIwonlOezAQfEYOrqboGIZjFAnYJ8M3qpcTybx0FRqu4QadrubqCK67uOLMH+o1qN3trqdnC3oxLgtWPbGR6ocUkFoycLfx1Hilewx4wBACAhh0DNd17oXmA==; 24:w0mOY2g32e9TanARhHHh2GGUIsPUC4kvq4MQiRd6YNeHprsMacXux/Xy9X+uuQWvx4GUYaSVGFgQk7eK8Czr3m5qiOQ6mHzvNyp3gg7ESEY=; 7:hQtTzgCZTrVM4rgtklW56UVaYk89nnEhK1mIwceRFJ8Nz/8hPlpdSTj8RmauYXbIZI+HmKwN5496wPi5pKpGdqGK2K7Y7QsnFJSzGEQK+0zRM/6+raE1ybmUp2Z4kOPYluXKHyoWSW0LlgHz7hYxi+4BbsDJC8kRNSf3RaarbKpbFn9EiVVeuComEB4QXoKbvAK/m2NBUfGAi4ZjdUIaEaH79VDjMX/oPojmC2YhbHog108rEnC1S0VyoqszPG78 x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT116; H:DM3PR13MB0617.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 0b5f9b55-7468-4e82-f70a-08d3dcb968b9 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT116; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT116; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT116; x-forefront-prvs: 006546F32A spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[477311A0:01D20EA2] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1514686820353778312== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM3PR13MB0617B17BF9EA2FC899D07805B4F10DM3PR13MB0617namp_" --_000_DM3PR13MB0617B17BF9EA2FC899D07805B4F10DM3PR13MB0617namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "This might be a good time to pay a detail shop for their expertise.".....e= specially if the other person's insurance is paying for it. ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of ejrussell@m= ebtel.net Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:41 AM To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits > So, how do I buff out plastic? This might be a good time to pay a detail shop for their expertise. Eric Russell Mebane NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net www.team.net www.team.net The Team.Net email, archive, ftp and web services are run on a part time vo= lunteer basis. There are out of pocket expenses involved in the network con= nection, name ... --_000_DM3PR13MB0617B17BF9EA2FC899D07805B4F10DM3PR13MB0617namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"This might be a good time to pay = a detail shop for their expertise.".....especially if the other person= 's insurance is paying for it. 



From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of ejrussell@mebtel.net <ejrus= sell@mebtel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:41 AM
To: eric@megageek.com
Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits
 
> So, how do I buff out plastic?

This might be a good time to pay a detail shop for their expertise.

Eric Russell
Mebane NC
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--_000_DM3PR13MB0617B17BF9EA2FC899D07805B4F10DM3PR13MB0617namp_-- --===============1514686820353778312== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1514686820353778312==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 23:30:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305672589555 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C0725880EC for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([73.157.79.132]) by :SMTPAUTH: with SMTP id kJLeb1hVgCsFhkJLfbnoXa; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:12:11 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:18:27 -0700 Importance: Normal AEDoDYne4v3BEnaZYCAgbzVriifSLGRw8UB+zTm0RNZmEiCx0CKxhv/y Subject: [Shop-talk] GPS Tracking Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5737680880230809566== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01D20E92.DC5A86A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D20E92.DC5A86A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m looking at two different methods of adding GPS tracking, on = a=20 short-term basis to my car trailer. Either monthly rental once or twice = a year or purchase and activate (pay service) for a month at a time as=20 necessary. Does anybody have experience with GPS tracking for their RV or other? Looking for specifics, getting ready to use it within a week! Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D20E92.DC5A86A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m looking at two different methods of adding GPS = tracking, on a
short-term basis to my car trailer.  Either monthly rental = once or=20 twice
a year or purchase and activate (pay service) for a month at a time = as=20
necessary.
Does anybody have experience with GPS tracking for their RV or = other?
Looking for specifics, getting ready to use it within a week!
Thanks.
 
Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D20E92.DC5A86A0-- --===============5737680880230809566== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5737680880230809566==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 14 23:56:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EFB2585742 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC48E2588CAB for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:10:50 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cNWVohj3teBnLcQHyUeGWsCndAzdBIoYAmkh4fiQ43w40AiafzEGr1t/J70mcsb4; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.129.209] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bkKGY-0005GH-7h; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:10:58 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0022662233880430127== boundary="------------04B760F5ABEBCDDFD45781B7" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------04B760F5ABEBCDDFD45781B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the clay bar with a quick detailer spray as a lubricant. If you don't have that handy, I'd try a polish. The clay bar is fantastic for unfortunate things like spray paint and rust from metal shavings sitting on the paint. I had my painted side view mirror clipped by a tow truck's black plastic mirror and use some TR-3 polish ( http://bluemagicusa.com/index.php/blue_magic/products/91/tr_3_resin_glaze_polish/ ) and it wiped off easily. I thought it was scratched through the paint. This stuff is wonderful too. Brian On 9/13/2016 5:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn > into me. My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down > the side of my truck. > > So, how do I buff out plastic? It didn't scratch the paint as it is > proud of the paint. > > I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up. > > Any ideas? > > TIA. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------04B760F5ABEBCDDFD45781B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I second the clay bar with a quick detailer spray as a lubricant.  If you don't have that handy, I'd try a polish.  The clay bar is fantastic for unfortunate things like spray paint and rust from metal shavings sitting on the paint.

I had my painted side view mirror clipped by a tow truck's black plastic mirror and use some TR-3 polish ( http://bluemagicusa.com/index.php/blue_magic/products/91/tr_3_resin_glaze_polish/ ) and it wiped off easily.  I thought it was scratched through the paint.  This stuff is wonderful too.


Brian

On 9/13/2016 5:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn into me.  My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down the side of my truck.

So, how do I buff out plastic?  It didn't scratch the paint as it is proud of the paint.

I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up.

Any ideas?

TIA.


Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson 

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--------------04B760F5ABEBCDDFD45781B7-- --===============0022662233880430127== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0022662233880430127==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 15 04:42:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28389258818C for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 04:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80ED2588E4F for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:55:39 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S1EwGOUuWvkupJm9NTrODXiG1oOCh91gXirmcy9ouQPUXHFYTZC2Uccm2DiE+LCG; h=Received:Subject:References:To:From:X-Forwarded-Message-Id:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.129.209] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bkNm8-0001s0-Ge for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 23:55:48 -0400 References: To: Shop Talk From: Brian Kemp Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:54:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Buffing out plastic mirror bits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net resend - got a delivery bounce I second the clay bar with a quick detailer spray as a lubricant. If you don't have that handy, I'd try a polish. The clay bar is fantastic for unfortunate things like spray paint and rust from metal shavings sitting on the paint. I had my painted side view mirror clipped by a tow truck's black plastic mirror and use some TR-3 polish ( http://bluemagicusa.com/index.php/blue_magic/products/91/tr_3_resin_glaze_polish/ ) and it wiped off easily. I thought it was scratched through the paint. This stuff is wonderful too. Brian On 9/13/2016 5:31 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > While I was in DC last week, someone tried to make an illegal turn > into me. My truck was fine, except his rear view mirror scrapped down > the side of my truck. > > So, how do I buff out plastic? It didn't scratch the paint as it is > proud of the paint. > > I didn't want to just compound it and then scratch it up. > > Any ideas? > > TIA. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 15 12:12:52 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E15825886DC for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.webworldinc.com (unknown [69.71.182.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E3D258900A for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPEnvy (c-24-127-73-109.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [24.127.73.109]) by mail.webworldinc.com with SMTP (version=TLS\Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 07:56:12 -0700 From: "Al Fuller" To: "'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA'" , References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:56:05 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGxWyn9uRccHKJOkMzTKXI6wEEFLaC8Ccog Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] GPS Tracking Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============9141010963593152594== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_027D_01D20F3F.C37AB1C0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01D20F3F.C37AB1C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve: Short answer =E2=80=93 no. =20 Longer answer: I looked some time ago, and did not find anything that = was reasonably priced for tracking a vehicle. In my case, it is a = sports car that is not driven for periods of time=E2=80=A6 I wound up = making my own, using a 2 meter ham radio transceiver. The model I use = is a ready-to-go model, so maybe saying =E2=80=98making my own=E2=80=99 = is a stretch. See: http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg =20 This won=E2=80=99t work for you on short notice, unless you already have = your amateur radio license. Only a Technician level license is needed, = but you cannot get one on demand in a couple of days=E2=80=A6 If you DO = have a license, you provide the manufacturer with your call sign, and = they program it into the radio. The unit then comes pre-programmed with = callsign and other parameters. You just plug it in, and you are up and = running on the APRS packet system=E2=80=A6 =20 Al Fuller al at bighealey dot org '65 BJ-8 '85 Rx-7 =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:18 PM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] GPS Tracking =20 I=E2=80=99m looking at two different methods of adding GPS tracking, on = a=20 short-term basis to my car trailer. Either monthly rental once or twice = a year or purchase and activate (pay service) for a month at a time as=20 necessary. Does anybody have experience with GPS tracking for their RV or other? Looking for specifics, getting ready to use it within a week! Thanks. =20 Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01D20F3F.C37AB1C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steve:=C2=A0 Short answer =E2=80=93 no.

 

Longer answer:=C2=A0 I looked some time ago, and did not find anything = that was reasonably priced for tracking a vehicle.=C2=A0 In my case, it = is a sports car that is not driven for periods of time=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 I = wound up making my own, using a 2 meter ham radio transceiver.=C2=A0 The = model I use is a ready-to-go model, so maybe saying =E2=80=98making my = own=E2=80=99 is a stretch.=C2=A0 See:=C2=A0 http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg<= o:p>

 

This won=E2=80=99t work for you on short notice, unless you already = have your amateur radio license.=C2=A0 Only a Technician level license = is needed, but you cannot get one on demand in a couple of = days=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 If you DO have a license, you provide the = manufacturer with your call sign, and they program it into the = radio.=C2=A0 The unit then comes pre-programmed with callsign and other = parameters.=C2=A0 You just plug it in, and you are up and running on the = APRS packet system=E2=80=A6

 

Al Fuller

al at bighealey dot org

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

 

From:<= /b> = Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA
Sent: Wednesday, = September 14, 2016 5:18 PM
To: = Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] GPS = Tracking

 

I=E2=80=99m = looking at two different methods of adding GPS tracking, on a =

short-term basis = to my car trailer.  Either monthly rental once or twice =

a year or = purchase and activate (pay service) for a month at a time as =

necessary.

Does anybody have = experience with GPS tracking for their RV or = other?

Looking for = specifics, getting ready to use it within a = week!

Thanks.=

 <= /span>

Steve = Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA = USA

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Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:25:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:25:06 -0400 To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Steven Trovato References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] GPS Tracking Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about products like trackr and tile? https://www.thetrackr.com/ https://www.thetileapp.com/ These devices are not going to give you the same = capabilities as a true GPS tracking system, but = they are cheap and possible on short notice. -Steve At 05:18 PM 9/14/2016, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: >I=E2=80=99m looking at two different methods of adding GPS tracking, on a >short-term basis to my car trailer. Either monthly rental once or twice >a year or purchase and activate (pay service) for a month at a time as >necessary. >Does anybody have experience with GPS tracking for their RV or other? >Looking for specifics, getting ready to use it within a week! >Thanks. > >Steve Hammatt >Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 16 01:56:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FD925896A7 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 01:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC3S3.hotmail.com (col004-omc3s3.hotmail.com [65.55.34.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A812587EE3 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM04-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.34.135]) by COL004-OMC3S3.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:05:14 -0700 Received: from BN3NAM04FT045.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.92.55) by BN3NAM04HT233.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.93.136) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA_P384) id 15.1.619.6; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:05:13 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.152.92.60) by BN3NAM04FT045.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.93.120) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA_P384) id 15.1.619.6 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:05:12 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.200]) by DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.200]) with mapi id 15.01.0619.012; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:05:12 +0000 From: Jack Brooks To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Pick Handle Thread-Index: AdIPzujec44FCqorTVqhcKY/YxLuqw== Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:05:12 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.92.60) header.d=none;autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=Live.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning Live.com discourages use of 10.152.92.60 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BN3NAM04HT233; 6:JnZdxEFRKDr2L6OaLQsVkaMOyd/78YbsHHGGPJrimPv0GaZ77KcIWYe6PkS8DDEGGpzhra6P3PIfjW12srh/Q2iU7AdQhdVzgCgLXx5r927wnCXGy/OetNHJmnOvhAG9loPXMXl+zUxhNClV+mANakd357GV2PZ5walBrUy3WVYtFLwyp15pU+BKV41X+Nh8CNWSG04Nzn3VE+g7li9gpL1X/mJBKZKILAOZqF3A2MSb7Zl0TVHli06vJXo7tq0nDuHh66QKtzZi5XyCw0Goz2jf22P2VwA9JqqPLWLgFAc=; 5:a4m0BXqDkVIPFRmqyeo/eKaUBoaqSfBo/FeGXE/9GSAZbAAf6Guw4TP38SsETkDFaDMVK+LGzTuZfkFRctlAlOwC1W7x5Kc22WgiJHl0LMhrIu12U8WKONU/094FOkJeIfM/KoFzIyKb4SFVatbYkg==; 24:RsSQPolBvsGUSd2U6BlIeHrZGJRviIkBCAiZDBI0oHNCLNRyT6b8nul9dPLEwhB/OHuWomrCTq18jgYHQgUukg0eTFgHWNfLiLjQCL9epdQ=; 7:2+dMwpYLRijP2kiPsNjV5d9MZM6+buQznMhNcAMCVShUIh1TRzCwVIPO4Ec1JPDm+xsnz70r0gfLGT7ZimCWwvYz0kW+hSrc9J+bpwBmpWkiWJwsZvjPwnZKH4TSK0fuPs2uBvgx0VyAp61yZRbVDgXQyc2JZyOWgu+d/P5tENIJjRv9SUJfeupHQpeTfnhZ7fddxJhvHV51dXopaRkgzSN82697xt1gy5wt2wNOaF3Ts5MXA+QaqT/6BW+sKt3FhU25b3deoY3wrem7baINJYXCt06pDzUtPofJ9tNQ6yZKIsRow2hIikRJEt8XKN7w x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3NAM04HT233; H:DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 52b3ee45-28e6-43f8-8381-08d3dde6a7a6 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047); SRVR:BN3NAM04HT233; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BN3NAM04HT233; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3NAM04HT233; x-forefront-prvs: 0067A8BA2A spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: FILETIME=[870ABB00:01D20FCF] Subject: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick. I have not been to a "real" hardware store yet, only Home Depot. They had one suitable handle. The HD SKU is #682989. What they have is a normally shaped handle, but instead of flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to fit the big head opening of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic collar. They did not have solid wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd. Pros: The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head and I suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up. The finish on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it. Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles. The URL for the Home Depot one is here. http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement-Handle-with-Handle- Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-Insi deGardenOther%7c&gclid=CMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsrc=aw.ds I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order it. I once bought the wrong size Axe handle. It was close, but just not right. It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, but not great. Never again, if I can avoid it. Thanks in advance, Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 16 10:24:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2280125892D5 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003582589252 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AFA6003B24 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=6+y4ZAdEVU5bPpaDQ04Pz1jkm9M=; b=H0uFbyXyJLxi ix8bKwZEQ7PTbCpAnISEGdumiZgFnyL7EEQ6psU5hbd5qK6oS43Ga8gb15nLyohr ZAoqjT966XcUy3R1eJHp1adNApT1DStX9WVjZauUQMG3tQ/Asy9aOXbq6wANo8sX sJA+vsQvggoQuDGiD6349TTjHSDOefw= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A3296003B16 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:02:56 -0400 References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] State Pumpmate well pressure tanks? (was:Re: Well tank losing air pressure) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My local supply house doesn't carry Amtrol but they do have State. I can't find much on the web about their quality. Pricing is similar. Are they decent? The hookups are the same, and it's 4 gallons bigger, which should be ok (maybe give my cycling pump a rest) thanks, jim On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Not long after posting this I finally found a video where some glorious soul had taken one apart. My vision of the bladder holding the air was incorrect; the bladder holds the water, and the air is inside the tank. I then picked at a suspicious paint bubble and soaped it, and that's where I'm losing the air, pinhole leak. > > Here's the video if you'd like to see the innards. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ybMRYrt8U > > jim > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > >> I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Is it still a shot tank? I soaped the air valve and don't see any bubbles. Can't think where the air might be going. The tank isn't rusty except for the round frame part at the bottom. >> >> Easy to replace and it'll probably cure it, but I'd really like to know for sure. Google wasn't much help, surprisingly. >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >> > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 00:16:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE83258927D for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 00:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.34.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEFD2588C66 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM01-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.34.73]) by COL004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:18:47 -0700 Received: from SN1NAM01FT041.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.64.57) by SN1NAM01HT253.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.65.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA_P384) id 15.1.619.6; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 01:18:45 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.152.64.51) by SN1NAM01FT041.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.65.86) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA_P384) id 15.1.619.6 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 01:18:45 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.200]) by DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.200]) with mapi id 15.01.0619.012; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 01:18:45 +0000 From: Jack Brooks To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] State Pumpmate well pressure tanks? (was:Re: Well tank losing air pressure) Thread-Index: AQHSEDbcNbiOG/ChQkaunnIBwiknh6B84mMA Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 01:18:45 +0000 References: <9083E33E-4D17-4622-9FB5-201652AF3273@groupwbench.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.64.51) header.d=none;autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=Live.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning Live.com discourages use of 10.152.64.51 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; SN1NAM01HT253; 6:Hm8seolp72HTFGsTQX44FBbBG/TomgzCgLnD+0tca95llU9O2Cb2iKhzfQN0PbAlTv2fhxNghZQzMumjGFEzsABeOmfSJfis/gXE9eGLKGeGAAM0llduO6H/YS0FVtTfFgG5Okyme6WHQTXj3hAKE8REhQ1+oD+2Ggz9AeWZnHIP7dZ35I908w+UUbwVR12dIirziIQMq0QgCCNtNwI8YYSft9ohtAfyvJtpE4iOHgxEVBbPynZhRBg6U2IFuRtAJpGdTizhYlazpuKkQZkHSJMf9ff5+/6q56fPCE/ZejM=; 5:g/vakg+D10zCeDaCj8fiN9G499LLCKZe+F/BcLn7uERv4Kp/3f8XtCFRW/6xOYAsEg049KKzveu8e5tCy9iGLrQJ8X2W6cxmm4sjuxU/AqV9gK9fe5f1p0nFyT8jEMwwpWrOqNhjIW++xcexeiDeoA==; 24:AsXC0XXjtl18pEiyPfIPS/EKISHcbftjdUd+65HqrCfPQo+HVKAIyvBwKjcfHn6InNPV4opqHE+ucctOFqckWq97wgN4ko13y6sgrWZXb3A=; 7:4KOSkhQgUjzB+sn8VAtAA/7PMdSaViG99rJGQo3KC/lqpCKr4KVnT+fABCgGQiwNaRcXAGZNQTwhdnN/7pvsVpNCvVMaXom9L/+GwRFFexH7h34hRyFyvnSg7qLXIlRbmLhRNfuDowbuO3HNeFO2JV8dpLhz++hjRDm+gDDNFqxS585K5b7LFsK3m/23bHQsMQs7WMa0mlTOoMw3Z9DQ3XOjLvUcCJDtjn9tL3kzmI3aX82ChiEc3t+BFoH8CjgxJvsd5HP8QJ5G+Wth5JnPxvgDr+oSryf0RZzXTnGTcK/HATQUEEab/WBxIyml4uJO x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1NAM01HT253; H:DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 359aead7-f1d7-4842-1d34-08d3de98911d x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047); SRVR:SN1NAM01HT253; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:SN1NAM01HT253; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:SN1NAM01HT253; x-forefront-prvs: 0068C7E410 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <9996B04892C3DD4EA6E06E4845B20A12@namprd08.prod.outlook.com> FILETIME=[70716170:01D21081] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] State Pumpmate well pressure tanks? (was:Re: Well tank losing air pressure) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I've used a State accumulator with no issues after several years. This was in a rental home which was then sold. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Franklin Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:03 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] State Pumpmate well pressure tanks? (was:Re: Well tank losing air pressure) My local supply house doesn't carry Amtrol but they do have State. I can't find much on the web about their quality. Pricing is similar. Are they decent? The hookups are the same, and it's 4 gallons bigger, which should be ok (maybe give my cycling pump a rest) thanks, jim On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Not long after posting this I finally found a video where some glorious soul had taken one apart. My vision of the bladder holding the air was incorrect; the bladder holds the water, and the air is inside the tank. I then picked at a suspicious paint bubble and soaped it, and that's where I'm losing the air, pinhole leak. > > Here's the video if you'd like to see the innards. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ybMRYrt8U > > jim > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > >> I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Is it still a shot tank? I soaped the air valve and don't see any bubbles. Can't think where the air might be going. The tank isn't rusty except for the round frame part at the bottom. >> >> Easy to replace and it'll probably cure it, but I'd really like to know for sure. Google wasn't much help, surprisingly. >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.or >> g >> > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 17 09:48:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4823A258789A for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9421F2587BEF for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:48:25 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n65fiHLJZiB+JWj3uIYGrstArxsPCVj5CiAjOa3FkE1AFjC3eev70Gg2WeqXGC2l; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.129.209] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1blGun-0003J5-Jr; Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:48:25 -0400 To: Jim Franklin , Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <9083E33E-4D17-4622-9FB5-201652AF3273@groupwbench.org> From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:47:28 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] State Pumpmate well pressure tanks? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - I can't speak to brands, but I don't think a pump should short cycle in normal use. I understand you have a bad tank so you likely already know this, but wanted to make sure as I've had it come up in the past where a minor adjustment stopped the pump from cycling too often. My impression that the tank was a buffer for small uses and once a high demand use started and pressure dropped, the pump came on and stayed on until that use stopped and the tank recharged. This was done by setting the low/high cutoffs on the pump pressure switch. I would encourage finding out more about the proper setting of the pump pressure switch. Note that this is based on 25 year old experience with a lake cottage, so I've included the list to correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe current technology or a house with a bigger pump is different. Again, I know your main problem was the bad tank, so maybe this is completely irrelevant to your situation. Brian On 9/16/2016 8:02 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > My local supply house doesn't carry Amtrol but they do have State. I can't find much on the web about their quality. Pricing is similar. Are they decent? The hookups are the same, and it's 4 gallons bigger, which should be ok (maybe give my cycling pump a rest) > > thanks, > jim > > On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > >> Not long after posting this I finally found a video where some glorious soul had taken one apart. My vision of the bladder holding the air was incorrect; the bladder holds the water, and the air is inside the tank. I then picked at a suspicious paint bubble and soaped it, and that's where I'm losing the air, pinhole leak. >> >> Here's the video if you'd like to see the innards. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ybMRYrt8U >> >> jim >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: >> >>> I have an Amtrol WX-203 (installed Sep 2009) and I need to add air more and more often otherwise the pump short cycles like crazy. There's no water spitting from the air valve and no air coming out of the faucets. Is it still a shot tank? I soaped the air valve and don't see any bubbles. Can't think where the air might be going. The tank isn't rusty except for the round frame part at the bottom. >>> >>> Easy to replace and it'll probably cure it, but I'd really like to know for sure. Google wasn't much help, surprisingly. >>> >>> thanks, >>> jim >>> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 19 12:25:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163A82588B96 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CBF25876B7 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id r126so204802188oib.0 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=E5uOiAsHRMfxcigqusz/wIQD74SZZDuXcyVvpXMh6Ok=; b=zqnlE9/8IhLUBZobrRYo3GygER0eE3H0GVJBo3pT2pzJd8SVzltCpnqu+wZ30AD500 cNRXD3zGa5WjfbpM4qeMSWfBQSM/93s9KXHO1YpNe2gamz41Mt485xxo9sC38mAwHYPt KeK8sqTkWhdNxcZWQsBsoLBEE4I+zeDhXCQXLPy//Cf2Wkh4qe2F5e+Fj3WAryfq1/vv IVBB6hLWPejTMoTXvuclDAOU6tZprwCz3Pthg0oRAzJ8ZNgY+YOJ2imkS4zXZ0T1Wmpo Qv6KgaxnW7nkggf8GpDjSUtk4Uodnm+l4oKi/zy7lyWFgNcR9Bu5ib5tSMr9W3hdfZ+P qLbA== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=E5uOiAsHRMfxcigqusz/wIQD74SZZDuXcyVvpXMh6Ok=; b=XG/ve/57b+G/cfP9OWl0e8et58q2Ump1LjyZnShFyIySRBPVzTO9jmGRH6EDSQ3Y30 sZyHhTdKCud0Y69yvNayvA1ZE7ZANLZ7LWSiPp4ADT3r2P2hunIfvCrHMlulvXfjaRjU NR2QD3AJewBMo92cuHE6irdFNLXHV34ALZrZ0icjz3qLTbc6RMW2fDxR6PLn8abD369V 554swCQzA8KUwWlDBXh7/l0ZxkRGHGv6k1TKtWk3tSGAkTZsC0uujO8e/z6UcNxVLGhk +vW90wyshb63fpAitDgxI5UDnj4Cf8S9EE95pesDRtbgHEzUkm0myRx3eReQylVD1nXA HMAA== Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.48.197 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:14:26 -0400 To: Jack Brooks Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1059131134667904723== --001a113ce0bcef3df7053cdf7268 Not sure if you've looked at Amazon, but they seem to have a variety: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias% 3Daps&field-keywords=pick+handle I can understand not wanting to order one and finding it doesn't fit. You can often find the dimensions at each end in the listings, though. Perhaps your local Ace or other hardware store / garden center has more choices in stock... -Peter On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick. I have not been to a "real" > hardware store yet, only Home Depot. They had one suitable handle. The HD > SKU is #682989. What they have is a normally shaped handle, but instead of > flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to fit the big head > opening > of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic collar. They did not have solid > wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd. > > Pros: The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head and I > suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration > > Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up. The finish > on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it. > > Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles. The URL for > the Home Depot one is here. > http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement- > Handle-with-Handle- > Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0% > 7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-Insi > deGardenOther%7c&gclid=CMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsrc=aw.ds > > I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order it. I > once bought the wrong size Axe handle. It was close, but just not right. > It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, but > not > great. Never again, if I can avoid it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ > peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --001a113ce0bcef3df7053cdf7268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure if you've looked at Amazon, but they seem to = have a variety:


I can understand not wanting to order one and finding it = doesn't fit. You can often find the dimensions at each end in the listi= ngs, though. Perhaps your local Ace or other hardware store / garden center= has more choices in stock...

-Peter

On Fri, Sep 16, 201= 6 at 12:05 AM, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:
I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick.= =C2=A0 I have not been to a "real"
hardware store yet, only Home Depot.=C2=A0 They had one suitable handle.=C2= =A0 The HD
SKU is #682989.=C2=A0 What they have is a normally shaped handle, but inste= ad of
flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to fit the big head openin= g
of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic collar.=C2=A0 They did not have sol= id
wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd.

Pros:=C2=A0 The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head an= d I
suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration

Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up.=C2=A0 Th= e finish
on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it.

Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles.=C2= =A0 The URL for
the Home Depot one is here.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-= Temper-36-in-Replacement-Handle-with-Handle-
Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=3DShopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-= PLA-D28I-Insi
deGardenOther%7c&gclid=3DCMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsr= c=3Daw.ds

I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order it.= =C2=A0 I
once bought the wrong size Axe handle.=C2=A0 It was close, but just not rig= ht.
It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, bu= t not
great.=C2=A0 Never again, if I can avoid it.

Thanks in advance,

Jack

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--001a113ce0bcef3df7053cdf7268-- --===============1059131134667904723== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1059131134667904723==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 19 20:21:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8052588656 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2238C25885BF for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I0at1yYY0PHw/LfSgVZ8z+K1/xyW+jtZ093o9KPcL34d1vMPRY+96chiVfr32YL2; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.129.40] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bm9Zw-0001Un-C4; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:10:32 -0400 To: Jack Brooks , "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:09:38 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jack - I'd also look at a local landscaping supply place where the contractors go. They are more likely to wear out handles and replace them, so a place that caters to them is probably a good start. Brian On 9/15/2016 9:05 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick. I have not been to a "real" > hardware store yet, only Home Depot. They had one suitable handle. The HD > SKU is #682989. What they have is a normally shaped handle, but instead of > flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to fit the big head opening > of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic collar. They did not have solid > wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd. > > Pros: The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head and I > suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration > > Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up. The finish > on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it. > > Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles. The URL for > the Home Depot one is here. > http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement-Handle-with-Handle- > Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-Insi > deGardenOther%7c&gclid=CMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsrc=aw.ds > > I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order it. I > once bought the wrong size Axe handle. It was close, but just not right. > It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, but not > great. Never again, if I can avoid it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 19 22:29:10 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9A22588AC0 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S16.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s16.hotmail.com [65.55.90.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F282587BE3 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:57:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM04-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.7]) by SNT004-OMC1S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:57:32 -0700 Received: from CO1NAM04FT057.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.60) by CO1NAM04HT097.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.179) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.629.5; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:31 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.152.90.55) by CO1NAM04FT057.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.172) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.629.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:31 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.109]) by DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.109]) with mapi id 15.01.0629.006; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:31 +0000 From: Jack Brooks To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Thread-Index: AdIPzujec44FCqorTVqhcKY/YxLuqwDDL+MAAAPDXIA= Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:31 +0000 References: <3006697f-13ac-558c-6fd4-f53e6f20dbee@earthlink.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.90.55) header.d=none;autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=Live.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning Live.com discourages use of 10.152.90.55 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CO1NAM04HT097; 6:z0zJMBKZuBmyEX3TIIXyqE10j2rNVi0MCihjniMcLLS0nPatCLl0DEBoaW5RjcMWcGyxvGBoYZNGI06baEyD+Nm0pNWyqJSEP5LvatGif7IhQJugIaCXJV22xActBVJzua0DML3t/P9fKdizZKEXyoKccXAqWWj6Hui6+TEJ1XDLfqhIbp1Y4/pzX/yvBGyQrEI9cG9FRJLVbnx7JGmmOB+8V75XSsaRjstMVkA4JAlomKAxC20YHTlsaVrAicjrgWfU0tTRlUNUMjHY+cHQUEv4Svl2rDfGsr3TYjOP7BI=; 5:NBJbCFt8ferXiOTGWXAJMMgc/efFFiDap+96PER7YiHxuztVsH0eKM/h/M5U9PZZqZNAJ9aGHqAZqUUwsBQ+Wj/5tu0KUJwHlidiQAEvC4QrLMfeg+V2KXji6cdyJUcBaxsGgJLwFjXuqPLMzjzArw==; 24:55kXMqIp2ibq8mTDIEFh/byoDyO6CyOCu38X6DQFaXKJLuFwRw7Bh+iV3dDQXC36Wk1DQDWRwqT0eDhOUGZtpDgmGXrB6Dod53XukpL5bIM=; 7:O0vXREoehrB4tft1f5GBEu40Xm2fJbQOMnB8VCHmoivOAqu3T1vn1PRhZxp0xf9whiWmHqSzs+R15q86ZMtxtP3QFJJErlIUt4+gX6Tf9M5UwyLNky2nkVqg/SudkU/Ku+d+BqtAyYZ8U46giIqhkh6VAavxd4iSn4QLfdq27EEa4e4AV5FkZFw6lHBj6zAh1rRFcxvilJD24nJLJl+hSd8GW9fn4qKaS2sJGt6/MkLGhfOtcswqYQCbT2oqGQ3T3SKLUVjRndwJH5pb9GbR1xLTuuDif8jy6jhMCAzSjXsIsbPobP+F217Y1Cc0x5sv x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT097; H:DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 5535db82-7802-424b-e318-08d3e101dc7e x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT097; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT097; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT097; x-forefront-prvs: 0071BFA85B spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <5DFE73CFE95D8C46B19BDA625447F4B4@namprd08.prod.outlook.com> FILETIME=[BBA70C60:01D212EA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Brian. Landscape supply houses make sense. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:10 PM To: Jack Brooks ; Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Jack - I'd also look at a local landscaping supply place where the contractors go. They are more likely to wear out handles and replace them, so a place that caters to them is probably a good start. Brian On 9/15/2016 9:05 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick. I have not been to a "real" > hardware store yet, only Home Depot. They had one suitable handle. > The HD SKU is #682989. What they have is a normally shaped handle, > but instead of flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to fit > the big head opening of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic collar. > They did not have solid wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd. > > Pros: The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head > and I suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration > > Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up. The > finish on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it. > > Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles. The URL > for the Home Depot one is here. > http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement-Handle-with-H > andle- > Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28 > I-Insi deGardenOther%7c&gclid=CMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsrc=aw.ds > > I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order > it. I once bought the wrong size Axe handle. It was close, but just not right. > It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, > but not great. Never again, if I can avoid it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 19 22:47:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9322D2587B5E for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC3S18.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s18.hotmail.com [65.55.90.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804752587C70 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM04-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.137]) by SNT004-OMC3S18.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:57:31 -0700 Received: from CO1NAM04FT057.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.60) by CO1NAM04HT228.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.629.5; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:27 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.152.90.55) by CO1NAM04FT057.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.172) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.629.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:27 +0000 Received: from DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.109]) by DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.109]) with mapi id 15.01.0629.006; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:27 +0000 From: Jack Brooks To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Thread-Index: AQHSEtpRc44FCqorTVqhcKY/YxLuq6CBr7eA Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 02:57:26 +0000 References: <20160920010001354@rco2.airstreamcomm.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.90.55) header.d=none;autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=Live.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning Live.com discourages use of 10.152.90.55 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CO1NAM04HT228; 6:y18mOaxIcz+CuPTixzyt+5grQ6iKpA09Nx5kzsPzHjPuaxYKwtmYmxkcXujxmaj+Q0ITq6gEzjExRsb2iaSeW0K7MBljh1r/9NLBugMMGzS8qoPju8yKntcgWlZHRwmatqp0qZzKFOMwgQJ8hjer5lJMmohfkiNHJmUVp0/ZUTwiQxWHLsO6vkolhvkhTmt06epECiVQIpajD3yg+RTnuQKSJgA2QCE3lzzq7pC7SkG7e5LgrIYQunPASOpnsaDlkU7heBuvWmRlIcsEvGzaz7yGhnFJXLuKNOx2SQ3kmZQ=; 5:pTJe4cWvb/H1A2oaAqfV5b65UL/dJqzNZPk+Nlc/ugJGQ6i05MQupJcW1eAnxshqQ8nYN+mG8tFMj69BVOOp/7PgTrPUNzpPF03EfvG9zJ2n5gVQxnfDhZ+lBnU698wgyiRU1b65ALQTbEPHRB/cGg==; 24:DjJKocnaRm8ak0XSgl/bugOlnQFzBpou/vXRAh6+EY7bfiGVH86p66zdS2czV5XKVUSAQPM/YjQjiyEdHhv8lWfz1QliLGaVgVSUjbfVuMc=; 7:gTJSKQebhTPl76Gg++JDETe/ZxyzrrFSjZbtSDEvCzgtIfYbJNzwTvFM2Yha+F7AsaRzjr1lKgp8y1B50jXQNgv146hwVhrZWdgkknVhUe212f4BM8hCG0JnZD6IWXqd0eyN1TxxunUBGjraKHrxJn434SSXnP6nrjRAnKR8XXDA+xvVzVEtscrRGzNHV+cLOeOa/RmIRGcoTugFMyf2fzxIBCwMwsf0NKU/3JSZmgcF97A032KeawTs5vEnUdVpR5h7qFtCfdICiiHiRMP38gRMNMKmjwCUZoPD4GVir/8REu6PmC9K7h41Wj8eNbM1 x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT228; H:DM2PR08MB319.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: add4fb62-0444-4955-4b18-08d3e101d9d3 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT228; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CO1NAM04HT228; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CO1NAM04HT228; x-forefront-prvs: 0071BFA85B spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <5B555F7D5625EE408133C4DB1FF8DFEB@namprd08.prod.outlook.com> FILETIME=[BAE2D200:01D212EA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Peter and Bolin(?) I like the tractor show idea, and that might be fun. I do have a more rustic hardware store close by. I' planned on checking that next as it's closer. My original inquiry was about the plastic mount on the end of the handle hybrid I saw at the depot. Apparently no one is impressed with that! Thanks, Jack -----Original Message----- From: bolin@mwt.net [mailto:bolin@mwt.net] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:00 PM To: Peter Murray Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Jack Brooks Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pick Handle Go to a tractor show and you can get as good hickory one and cheap. On Sep 19, 2016 12:14 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > Not sure if you've looked at Amazon, but they seem to have a variety: > > https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field > -keywords=pick+handle > > I can understand not wanting to order one and finding it doesn't fit. You can often find the dimensions at each end in the listings, though. Perhaps your local Ace or other hardware store / garden center has more choices in stock... > > -Peter > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Jack Brooks wrote: >> >> I need a new handle for my heavy vintage pick. I have not been to a "real" >> hardware store yet, only Home Depot. They had one suitable handle. >> The HD SKU is #682989. What they have is a normally shaped handle, >> but instead of flaring at the top in the original hickory stock to >> fit the big head opening of the pick, they have a ribbed plastic >> collar. They did not have solid wood pick handles and this seems a bit odd. >> >> Pros: The plastic ribbing did like to stick nicely to my pick head >> and I suspect the plastic might absorb some vibration >> >> Cons: it looks cheap and I am concerned that it won't hold up. The >> finish on the handle is pretty rough and I will likely refinish it. >> >> Does anyone have experience with these "hybrid" pick handles. The >> URL for the Home Depot one is here. >> http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement-Handle-with- >> Handle- >> Guard-2036900/100605612?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D2 >> 8I-Insi >> deGardenOther%7c&gclid=CMr28Nn-ks8CFUWBfgoddWIPDA&gclsrc=aw.ds >> >> I can find the all wood ones on line, but I'd rather not mail order >> it. I once bought the wrong size Axe handle. It was close, but just not right. >> It took too many hours to hand fit that bad-boy and it's acceptable, >> but not great. Never again, if I can avoid it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jack >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.co >> m >> > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 25 10:10:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDD625887DF for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F24325862CC for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:41:50 -0600 (MDT) t=1474814506; bh=QOj7dgqXGYX19Vd7H+MrHkSfMEr198gH2LhFHMu0IxE=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=ZZsljdGyT3K5j7y3ccncTgVBcAaXl7fNCNqqTfh2K42KG5t5/yRCK5oVvLzqXn2Dr7LoDlIntCXPyQXoUnA0n5axuFN7sDQrK72CYEWbnzuOgm9OrieNm8Jlf+uxNkiaa5NzEgIGWAZ/KefsqHd0TJ7g7zuQNucDR9xWg3n/lLgJ4fDqvtTFVzFKAc5Nx+SW43pDxP20IWfqQxsj5BIIjxvfg8yhgm/6Kbs0y5fpuY9ITDpYYnDh7sr0ShdqxBfq3YdEVKgscys/F/gwUIwUK/BKdQ9lDce3n0UGhXq4jrpJ4k35MXwDktLi3v25C+fR8yZP9jTmMpwP3i5uh4KARg== Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2016 14:41:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2016 14:41:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2016 14:41:46 -0000 hIqCWPNzn5Ddhy5FfRu7IqCQfAz9kx3uMVjRRLc7XkBIk5EUwSzTutFDer5o XFvhD.lyWXH612GxgVr1TDF1iWwjA4Byv5E1c0RHDifxRbD6Sl8uA5WtNnr5 imiKYlOFvbWubmpdo6ik8vC2HiLSP2B51Y1YfHo3NTOVnmro3U5UMhR0HEH3 z3fPVb3eIBtwu_8Ubper4qSn1IudVN4L2rcBennQhPjZkXCU1vOvDUG5bMi3 EEgN8oIS7PI.LPJFB5DI7bdlhe7I.OnP6Z3IltY7ZMHbMxKki5EtUyaO5Nmt _SAAkeJQL1PaApq4dhP0Di2BJ3pHhX9A_YbiE_quVkLh33wgGZFch85ptCZh YTzICQ2JVuWI1C41jf4gIuBSQuMhvKeQLH79Jp_flLxjjjTwhWP5Du18.FO9 gDpLOboNfoUFjZ3IocCcyWcWjACuPzAB_KCD2ZiK.TxE2CiCnuLxlZ5NER8s HNMhiMWWpfY3JXqIDdnEfZ1Wv46t9NWNeq8GjLczSGvCcjr7E0dbrPPiHXao - To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Jim Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:41:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage heaters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am at the point of selecting a gas (LP) heater for my 24'x36'x10' barn, which also has a second floor 16'x36'x8' space. I have searched for sources and have narrowed to a 80,000 btu Mr. Heater and a 75,000 bto Modine Hot Dawg. The pricing from various sources, thanks to a current Northen Tool sale on the Mr. Heater, are within $75 of each other, including their horizontal vent kits. My incination is to go with the Modine because I have heard of and seen them more often. Can anyone give me opinions on the choice of one versus the other? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 25 13:44:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A473F2588897 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE91F25888FF for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:10:08 -0600 (MDT) t=1474823382; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=csV6XMV69TJc6DflrdaLuSAv8W0PNMv+gqRQle4kQ+jnbvGBg0KhSZuv6DPd+ddou Vzgn5Nb0tD6TRJ88kHMbHbu7pyTCSGrKxfsm8cRc9RRv1priSa8rGCHeVZbAPSnixh sXC4Cz9G/NEA8Z9IfkntDcSeGE5XgdqRkMTTme/8= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail06.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.146]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABM8SBF2ACAY8SJ for (sender ); Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [173.16.83.106] by webmail06.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:08:46 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:08:46 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Solenoid question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4065020416540850504== ----__JWM__Jd26e9b8.1def2ee4S.64c28c6fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have been resurrecting a jet ski this summer and rather than wear dow= n the tiny battery, I was doing most of the cranking with power from my = 12 volt battery charger/starter set to the starting/225A setting. It re= ally turned it over much better than the puny battery. Well, after a fe= w days, the solenoid crapped out, so I scavenged one from another junked= ski and all was fine. Recently I was to the point of a shake down crui= se and I find another dead solenoid. I guess it is possible that both o= ld solenoids just happened to be at the end of their life but I wonder i= s there some reason that starting from a powered source rather then a ba= ttery would be detrimental to the relay/solenoid? The good news is that = rather than pay the $70 the local watercraft dealer wanted, I googled th= e PN stamped on the failed solenoid and found replacements on amazon & e= bay for $6! So now I have several new ones but don't want to kill them = if the start cart is a bad idea. TIA! ----__JWM__Jd26e9b8.1def2ee4S.64c28c6fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
 
I have been resurrecting a jet ski this summer and rather than wear= down the tiny battery, I was doing most of the cranking with power from= my 12 volt battery charger/starter set to the starting/225A setting. &n= bsp;It really turned it over much better than the puny battery.  We= ll, after a few days, the solenoid crapped out, so I scavenged one from = another junked ski and all was fine.  Recently I was to the point o= f a shake down cruise and I find another dead solenoid.  I guess it= is possible that both old solenoids just happened to be at the end of t= heir life but I wonder is there some reason that starting from a powered= source rather then a battery would be detrimental to the relay/solenoid= ?
 
The good news is that rather than pay the $70 the local watercraft = dealer wanted, I googled the PN stamped on the failed solenoid and found= replacements on amazon & ebay for $6!  So now I have several n= ew ones but don't want to kill them if the start cart is a bad idea.
 
TIA!
----__JWM__Jd26e9b8.1def2ee4S.64c28c6fM-- --===============4065020416540850504== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4065020416540850504==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 25 17:36:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F70D2586D5A for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353A02587720 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F832875F4; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gCMtfOyJ1FBN; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.130.61]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E755E4D71B; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Jim , Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <9052f709-202f-65d7-7968-a4c9f6e3f7fd@snet.net> From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:40:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage heaters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Mr. Heater in my 1200 foot shop (pole building with no ceiling and very poor insulation) and it works fine in the Pacific Northwest winters. Mine is propane and I only run it when I'm in the shop. I have probably had it for over ten years with no problems. I'm sure either one of them will work fine for you. On 9/25/2016 7:41 AM, Jim wrote: > I am at the point of selecting a gas (LP) heater for my 24'x36'x10' > barn, which also has a second floor 16'x36'x8' space. I have searched > for sources and have narrowed to a 80,000 btu Mr. Heater and a 75,000 > bto Modine Hot Dawg. The pricing from various sources, thanks to a > current Northen Tool sale on the Mr. Heater, are within $75 of each > other, including their horizontal vent kits. My incination is to go > with the Modine because I have heard of and seen them more often. Can > anyone give me opinions on the choice of one versus the other? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 25 20:44:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AF4258816F for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8D2586260 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:55954] helo=RYPC) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EF/95-25562-2D358E75; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 22:46:43 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Matt'" , References: <20160925.130846.25916.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:46:41 -0700 Thread-Index: AdIXZkKuwo7IB41ATPGMM+JN5P/atgAF+T1w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Solenoid question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I was doing most of the cranking with power from my 12 > volt battery charger/starter set to the starting/225A setting. Most of those type of units have really poor voltage regulation, open circuit voltage on the 'Start' setting may be as high as 24v or more! My guess is the high voltage (possibly in the form of a huge inrush current when the solenoid contacts close) is what killed the solenoid. You can still use the charger, just leave the battery in the circuit. Probably best to turn the charger down, and then give the starter a rest when the battery gets tired; as the starter will also have a very limited duty cycle. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 27 02:38:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FAB2589186 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 02:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CFD77258809A for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:33:55 -0600 (MDT) t=1474936414; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=goZebI1YXJzgOkgW1XzoqoHxy7+N7swm58Uk2eMiXrjq02UlWNuCcT2D0julef0fq mmBFam5EEpZtwYy0bDTwoQnXl58UCa/zFwA3WreGDqvGGBTwzoCmQmUcwCuBLNWdUi FDHmDSR15j6EwKocWPeAIAOPzU0C06ZgigfGmPbA= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABM8VRUHAFS8WDJ for (sender ); Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [173.16.83.106] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 00:32:41 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 00:32:41 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Solenoid question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5346209020598176040== ----__JWM__J2ff1bb8a.7da49817S.112b2327M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks John and Randall.I figured there was some way it was overdriving = the solenoid. I didn't think it would be the amps because batteries can= provide plenty of them.Wasn't aware that the voltage regulation was sus= pect! I WAS very careful to not cook the starter - those are expensive. = I think I will just use a car battery & cables for further testing. MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Randall" To: "'Matt'" , Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Solenoid question Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:46:41 -0700 > I was doing most of the cranking with power from my 12 > volt battery charger/starter set to the starting/225A setting. = Most of those type of units have really poor voltage regulation, open circuit voltage on the 'Start' setting may be as high as 24v or more! My guess is the high voltage (possibly in the form of a huge inrush curr= ent when the solenoid contacts close) is what killed the solenoid. You can still use the charger, just leave the battery in the circuit. Probably best to turn the charger down, and then give the starter a rest= when the battery gets tired; as the starter will also have a very limite= d duty cycle. -- Randall ----__JWM__J2ff1bb8a.7da49817S.112b2327M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks John and Randall.
I figured there was some way it was overdriving the solenoid.  = ;I didn't think it would be the amps because batteries can provide = plenty of them.
Wasn't aware that the voltage regulation was suspect!
 
I WAS very careful to not cook the starter - those are expensive.
 
I think I will just use a car battery & cables for further test= ing.
 
MB


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Randall" &= lt;TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
To: "'Matt'" <mbarre@juno.com>, <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Solenoid questi= on
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:46:41 -0700

> I was doing most= of the cranking with power from my 12
> volt battery charger/star= ter set to the starting/225A setting.  

Most of those type o= f units have really poor voltage regulation, open
circuit voltage on = the 'Start' setting may be as high as 24v or more!

My guess is th= e high voltage (possibly in the form of a huge inrush current
when th= e solenoid contacts close) is what killed the solenoid.

You can s= till use the charger, just leave the battery in the circuit.
Probably= best to turn the charger down, and then give the starter a rest
when= the battery gets tired; as the starter will also have a very limitedduty cycle.

-- Randall

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