I have an older heat and cool unit that is designed to take t= he condensate and splash it on the hot coils to improve heat transfer.

I was recently down in Dallas and a local restaurant had a special&= nbsp;zone of their irrigation system dedicated to soaking the outsi= de units of their HVAC system. I asked the manager and he said it = was the only way their system could handle the 100+ degree days.

Matt

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Robert = nogueira <nogera@icloud.com>
To: Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.= team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Cooling down an air conditioner
= Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:07:41 -0500

I've got a window mounted A= /C in my garage. It generally does a pretty good job of cooling it down = but now that the daily high is over 100 (f) it is having a problem and i= s tripping the breaker after running a hour or so in mid afternoon ( uni= t gets full sun).

Question: would installing a fine water mist sp= rayer behind the evaporator coil easy the load on the compressor thus al= lowing it to continue to cool?
For the few weeks I have this problem = it is not worth the cost of wiring and installing a larger unit.
Than= ks for any thoughts

Bob Nogueira

Bob Nogueira
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----__JWM__J7136e056.8714d88S.5db7c710M-- --===============2379717642656778702== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2379717642656778702==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 9 08:42:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690EA2588321 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:42:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B14325881AB for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 07:20:50 -0700 id 00000000002800AD.0000000057A9E6C2.00000571 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <68cd270c-ec4c-109a-2901-4d94f90387d0@dinospider.com> <4771d693-acab-96cf-76f3-2096acbdca60@frontier.com> From: John Miller Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 07:20:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] turning the end of a bolt. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/8/2016 6:23 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > Put another nut (or two) the the same size as the bolt head on the > threaded portion, run it down to the bottom of the threads, align all > the flat faces and put it in the chuck. This worked for me as well. Done it a few times, but most notably I've got a spare-tire mount on my trailer that's got a 1in (I think) bolt thru a plate to retain the wheel, I cut the threads off the last inch and a quarter or so of the bolt, milled flats on the sides, and drilled it for a padlock. Cutting the threads off will require a fairly high speed and shallow cut. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 9 09:21:55 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FB42588224 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 09:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0830C25876DA for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125741535A3 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5VRIWk8c06Ps for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [9.51.66.28] (bi-03pt1.bluebird.ibm.com [129.42.208.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1FCD1535A0 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <8ABADC99-B1D6-4EAA-A451-4698BC82C13D@icloud.com> From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:59:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cooling down an air conditioner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I performed some experiments a few years back just before I replaced my old central air units. They were still functional but old and I wanted to pre-emptively replace them before the weather turned really hot. I figured since they were being replaced that week anyway so I wasn't concerned about doing something to shorten their lifespan. Test 1 was directly misting the condenser coils. We have pretty hard water so I knew this couldn't be a permanent solution but I was curious how much of a difference it would make. I don't have a clamp-on meter so I couldn't directly monitor the compressor's current draw but I saw a noticeable difference at the service entrance meter (yeah, I actually stood at the meter counting seconds per revolution as I turned the water on and off. boring but...science!). I don't have the numbers anymore but the difference was noticeable even by my crude observations. On the order of 25% less current drawn when the fins were being actively cooled. Test 2 was to try to cool the air *around* the condenser units without actually getting the fins wet. I figured this method would avoid the scale build-up so if it worked it might actually be a long-term solution on hot days. To do this, I rigged some foggers on a PVC scaffold about 8 feet above and 4-5 feet to either side of the condensers (couldn't mount closer because the fan exhaust would interfere). Kind of like how people mount foggers above and around the perimeter of a outdoor patio. The idea was the fog would cool the air as it evaporated on the way down and the condenser fans would suck this cooled air over the coils. Sounded good but in practice I didn't notice much difference at the meter. On Aug 8, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a window mounted A/C in my garage. It generally does a pretty good job of cooling it down but now that the daily high is over 100 (f) it is having a problem and is tripping the breaker after running a hour or so in mid afternoon ( unit gets full sun). > > Question: would installing a fine water mist sprayer behind the evaporator coil easy the load on the compressor thus allowing it to continue to cool? > For the few weeks I have this problem it is not worth the cost of wiring and installing a larger unit. > Thanks for any thoughts > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 11 18:05:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA29A25877A5 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB923258806E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id X9uub3MXvTaLwX9v1bFoqC; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 16:30:19 +0000 s=q20140121; t=1470760219; bh=w3SJBLJbqaBOlZQh+qHZpdAAeLe1g/m5OvW13L0J0r0=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LI05MI04WdN9S94K5YpFR+1G40LErogW6buIT38qgXCqQ98dhO5MBF72VD5q0GXvY l8CYL3R8wxadtQpi/Ue3rwVbUhMf/Oe2i6VcUqrW0U4tnoiyE1R/EdeTV28StqbNMD vp807i9mR7020S9Nu9TOYLuOn02L7t20dpwhIHPCjLAcyv2FBzuYZxia+6oYCJGYsn Ts2N5HEUpJUkD/er0cbq0IEEZk6FolkAttsqlQTVeM2pBS0qhr1jmhJjAga9XkoZ3t 9c94yoV1e3R5RuPOSDgbEocSwHFfQ6GQoOusSr8VExzqfwfjCEPzFvRlCCGJ4/st2G OUmMNLZunERIA== Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.149.85.170]) by comcast with SMTP id X9v0bHNi6XEkGX9v0bxAOg; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 16:30:19 +0000 References: <20160809.091047.20973.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "Peter J. Thomas" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:30:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 jXYaOkjGg66l2n9vbUsC5xNL64foeIn+S9lw1N6LKk1wUEzfn7ixLUg4Fde6kqADVP7ElTFfyDUJEA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cooling down an air conditioner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/9/2016 9:10 AM, Matt wrote: > I have an older heat and cool unit that is designed to take the > condensate and splash it on the hot coils to improve heat transfer. You could place a large container under the unit to catch the condensate and a small sump pump (like for a fountain) to wet the hot coils. No need to mist just let the water run over the coils and collect back in the container. This would avoid the scaling issue. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 11 21:05:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899F02587A12 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AD82587D2A for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:02:36 -0600 (MDT) t=1470780151; bh=iC194EJfs6eualYx6oKV98lu/sTrgl87bLsr4wrnF9c=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=stS6OJpGAve3pvvxqFJnDJ657MMYEHufNz1rvka/DELgONImaiMFrjEx2eVy39s+XnqAG1U9CGU32tfxw3Xg9hH/ZOoDOA4Ww55ME1pZL1X/dIbL8WWePQcWoQIy++PlMVX8oFzdqZ4K+WAdGYfB4su5bL/ESDUjNajyt/1gmzg= Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2016 22:02:31 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2016 22:02:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2016 22:02:31 -0000 XQjOnh._4FvqJ7dHIPUwalGmsNO3nfGXPHDyZ6lFSKfhmBhkrZegNOd7XScP bgvjs865QqYBl9vSJEu6TGaaiNeMKZDSi0kb39260pcCV9D7gGh1Hx6LrQlT kfgp3zOqngQpux7UB5XfGPn.ZQ3LxXaUSbTtZzu61IIZhpU8c84r0XIP_l3z Ps5yKfB_gx0ZnwEbSnrC6UIn41QtguBoVzZjKmWY1BgJwiuGkM8qEo1FZ4AU gI4B3lX5ZXrZiU2pX8aj615pCNUWRv11MfGFl5g.lVHz2nXq5khhtCWlS_6f emnxaZ4e74IqLgkwjFmxoaCi_t5SXPCJ5OTm3_qj_jzJTCXkFPkbNQt1ONqm B8X_XKf.IPa7vciZIuPd8kbFrdiCFdhof5legvvnh5wRPOdZA6yrT5z4mtvj VVFdOZkqSzfjRfOxqcslMQaEgjFuerV8nQ2vESzz4kVrb5JSm1N8z1laA9W4 nGQzqd28YGfNp2pK.PFk3PrUdDKKfN.tIGRqz3HnI12zL36Nn From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 17:02:30 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] step drilling holes Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2051017855226250730== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0CC1_01D1F25F.D0F4BCD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0CC1_01D1F25F.D0F4BCD0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable had to drill some one inch holes (several) in 1/2=E2=80=9D plate. Using = a drill press so that helps... I wouldn=E2=80=99t try a 1=E2=80=9D hole = with a hand drill ! Didn=E2=80=99t really think a hole saw was the right = way so I just stepped up starting with a 3/8=E2=80=9D bit then up to = 3/4. then up to 1=E2=80=9D... Worked fine.. lots of oil, took my time... = but while I was bored (pardon the pun) I was thinking about the best = steps to use... when drilling large diameter in thick steel is there = an accepted increment you should use ?? 1/4=E2=80=9D increments ?? = 1/8=E2=80=9D ?? job is done but I was never taught this I just = kinda used what I thought would work. Suggestions ?? thanks John ------=_NextPart_000_0CC1_01D1F25F.D0F4BCD0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

had to drill some one inch holes (several) in 1/2=E2=80=9D = plate. Using a=20 drill press so that helps... I wouldn=E2=80=99t try a 1=E2=80=9D hole = with a hand drill ! Didn=E2=80=99t=20 really think a hole saw was the right way so I just stepped up starting = with a=20 3/8=E2=80=9D bit then up to 3/4. then up to 1=E2=80=9D... Worked fine.. = lots of oil, took my=20 time... but while I was bored (pardon the pun) I was thinking about the = best=20 steps to use... when drilling large diameter in thick steel = is there=20 an accepted increment you should use ?? 1/4=E2=80=9D increments = ?? 1/8=E2=80=9D=20 ?? job is done but I was never taught this = I just=20 kinda used what I thought would work. Suggestions ??

thanks

John

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Before you do that, try cleaning the condenser coil. Most of the window units draw in outside air from behind the condenser coil through louvers in the sides of the wrapper, then push the air out the coil. You can't see the dirt on the inside. Most also divert the evaporator condensate water to a slinger on the fan blade so the condensate is evaporated on the coil and discharged in the hot air stream. Provides a minimal efficiency increase. The outside air drawn in contains dust, pollen, leaves and who knows what. Do you have cottonwood trees in the neighborhood? They're the worst. After a few seasons that debris combines with the condensate water to make a muddy paste that builds up in the fins and really cuts down on the heat transfer. Use 409, Simple Green, or any mild detergent in a sprayer, and then back flush with a garden hose, no spray nozzle. You don't need high pressure and if you bend the fins over with a high pressure spray you'll have a fun job straightening them out. First time I did this, I was amazed at how much junk was in there. Matt ___________________________________ On 8/8/2016 4:07 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a window mounted A/C in my garage. It generally does a pretty good job of cooling it down but now that the daily high is over 100 (f) it is having a problem and is tripping the breaker after running a hour or so in mid afternoon ( unit gets full sun). > > Question: would installing a fine water mist sprayer behind the evaporator coil easy the load on the compressor thus allowing it to continue to cool? > For the few weeks I have this problem it is not worth the cost of wiring and installing a larger unit. > Thanks for any thoughts > > Bob Nogueira > > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mattmahony@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 12 00:10:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89432587C45 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D572587C38 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 05:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: dnvrco-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.221.224.193] ([107.221.224.193:63383] helo=Meislaptop) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 5F/3B-24990-76B0BA75; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 11:09:30 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk'" , "'Mike Rambour'" References: <20160809052029.E9AE52587953@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:09:19 -0400 Thread-Index: AdHx/dOgtz/ieETHRnujxB6bhSSmCAA+QXtA a=jYKPdkyBZRsFksf2v43pbw==:117 a=jYKPdkyBZRsFksf2v43pbw==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4mU-PFhcE8kewfXw2nsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] turning the end of a bolt. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have had good results by nearly sawing through a matching nut (like a > collet) and holding the bolt and nut in a three jaw chuck. The nut will > protect the threads while you tighten the chuck. Accuracy will depend on > the chuck. Ditto, but I cut all the way through one corner of the nut, using a Dremel tool and abrasive cutoff blade. The nut deforms slightly under pressure from the jaws to grip the bolt firmly, but then springs back to release it once the jaws are released. Save the nut for next time, it will also work in a vise for cross-drilling, cutting to length, etc. == Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 12 03:20:37 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816182587EF2 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 03:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f179.google.com (mail-io0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CB32587675 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q83so7165654iod.1 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=U9CHrO/BRpetqHl0KS2H8mwrNJufCAwhxLn4piBIyqQ=; b=ejlr0WdE+CPpS/bU757+0OUfgeXc38ba2Ovln+e++V7w7fLoDmOYZxcEv4nmdG1IEi YrkpBv/qMR3GdaFgeF5lPeIs6vz6sQ4kMMCn0V6qKt1k2IQFsLS2PyEzA93IqyzXdGds /cI4p5hFQiYQOqUThmtGHd+SkYzZglG133TLVa1C4ihAI4xiJgmHAGUi1ka35OQrRe+z D6DTLtCH5nKx/hXF/4zOtR6uQQ/QFBqISUuKut0+SP81FtceM7ABBLP61kzHCILK5oXX otfP8I68HDjNpOuYYMUUbjURR1ksaoP56XhSWCKsw9txO8sQVsZOtujFf5pNyj6AQAT1 wxhQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=U9CHrO/BRpetqHl0KS2H8mwrNJufCAwhxLn4piBIyqQ=; b=bU0LaF5g2caLAZvHWdk0GRgCgY1jnld8z+i7fczAq2Dto8YDle3nJrqsSiOkPcwQGk 3J6AcR+KcgX6mwmyO+q2Be5tlhhtYZiKopBIkMZqg/pDklYSyhj3yBs4R6lW3wY9uYYQ bZr3qw3/VI5rTqFacQVcCd0ngnCJoCccYQkuPvurF3WbPnhmdhcw2hJe81HjEm/xp0p4 Qey2FoTIWOhrO6PXCW20N/76IcZntEgQVXjBoBN3R1v5KeoyOEnYXNzKp+vA8iqRo+nn GlOXACDKlx7t022hE9+Tf0r8Jn2c0BCOFDLwVDeN6OzbQZlRq5YQrYcdfUd7u63evvie 4yjA== Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.143.147 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:12:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <68cd270c-ec4c-109a-2901-4d94f90387d0@dinospider.com> <4771d693-acab-96cf-76f3-2096acbdca60@frontier.com> <5900dc6d-a1dd-7336-6875-2a126f1671f5@milleredp.com> From: John Innis Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:12:50 -0500 To: John Miller Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] turning the end of a bolt. Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1396167848132408034== --001a113edaae7220e60539cc5cbf Another way to do this is rough grind the threads off on a bench grinder and then finish on the lathe. As long as you are careful no to go too deep on the grinder, it makes the lathe work a lot easier. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:20 AM, John Miller wrote: > On 8/8/2016 6:23 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > >> Put another nut (or two) the the same size as the bolt head on the >> threaded portion, run it down to the bottom of the threads, align all >> the flat faces and put it in the chuck. >> > > This worked for me as well. > > Done it a few times, but most notably I've got a spare-tire mount on my > trailer that's got a 1in (I think) bolt thru a plate to retain the wheel, I > cut the threads off the last inch and a quarter or so of the bolt, milled > flats on the sides, and drilled it for a padlock. > > Cutting the threads off will require a fairly high speed and shallow cut. > > John. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= --001a113edaae7220e60539cc5cbf Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another way to do this is rough grind the threads off on a= bench grinder and then finish on the lathe.=C2=A0 As long as you are caref= ul no to go too deep on the grinder, it makes the lathe work a lot easier.<= br>

On Tue, = Aug 9, 2016 at 9:20 AM, John Miller <jem@milleredp.com> wrot= e:

On 8/8/2016 6:23 PM, = Dave Cavanaugh wrote:

Put another nut (or two) the the same size as the bolt head on the
threaded portion, run it down to the bottom of the threads, align all
the flat faces and put it in the chuck.

This worked for me as well.

Done it a few times, but most notably I've got a spare-tire mount on my= trailer that's got a 1in (I think) bolt thru a plate to retain the whe= el, I cut the threads off the last inch and a quarter or so of the bolt, mi= lled flats on the sides, and drilled it for a padlock.

Cutting the threads off will require a fairly high speed and shallow cut.

John.

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Using a drill > press so that helps... I wouldn=92t try a 1=94 hole with a hand drill ! When you need a clean reasonably dimensionally-correct hole: Rotabroach. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive utox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 07:35:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ADF2588973 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com (pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com [17.133.186.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1334258897D for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:31:08 -0600 (MDT) pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OBU00H00O37UO00@pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:31:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OBU00AF4O7XFH20@pv35p10im-ztdg05021101.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:31:10 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-08-13_10:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1608130167 From: Robert nogueira Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:31:08 -0500 To: Shop-talk t=1471095070; bh=HmuROmfrFtOvySpX9kndX/aW8Sywfq4WYxi4DEK9O6o=; h=From:Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:Message-id:Date:To; b=bJTT82TreVkrsbY7PQzyFVj/WXy9468niocgV6/HMHMDxYvOZGyUZ/X1O7yqey5Ys Ofr56IQha90MuaC4VEdpFilHmzRTQcGhTGRBUAtwTk61sIoIZONJbuDdezHgQ5fEH7 /RrI4uCepili0yQVtMzxYAwovGgZyMb+CZfT3vQsR47zBOj4JHCkFx+wFjKrVmk/PE 7Q3bVF7xyWDJKZ2iNAaxq+jaWfRjjQo4COdibofAiyQFBuxB7pxjv3x5An7ZtUNcQo z6ZAdXzkBPVqto3yXIAcLOpFGzmVFtNcrXNjvRrdruB6J8VRMjEa31aZcU9/cs/2gT aiFzokvz5vShQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm planning on having a lawn sprinkler system installed. I've noted that there are several types of sprinkler heads and would like some input on which type is the best. Any opinions? Bob Nogueira Bob Nogueira _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 10:27:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28AC2588AEB for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (chumdrop.sackheads.org [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91642588BD0 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EFB1410DC for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2yq2HYFzl2ze for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cpe-74-138-4-248.kya.res.rr.com [74.138.4.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE7001410D3 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <908CB343-ECEE-4B9E-9DAA-6C399B284767@icloud.com> From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:24:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Are you contracting someone to install or doing it yourself? If contracting, your installer most likely already has a particular brand/model that (s)he tends to work with so you'll need to talk to them about what they plan to use. My sprinkler system consists of 5 zones of rotors (Rainbird 3500 and 5000) for the lawn areas and 2 zones of a mixture of drip and microsprayers for the landscaping and garden areas. Whatever you choose, I strongly recommend you plan for future expansion. So install an extra valve or two in each valve box. Extra valves are trivial to add to your manifolds when everything is dug up but it's a devil to add a valve to an existing box once everything is closed-up and buried. Worst case is the extra valves never get used. For your main sprinklers, you pretty much have 3 choices: rotors, impact rotors or sprayers. Sprayers are the simplest...no moving parts...and you can buy spray heads for various patterns. But for a given GPM and PSI, they have lower coverage area than rotors so you'll need comparatively more zones if you use sprayers. They're useful if you have an odd-shaped rectangular area or if you want to spray your shrubbery from afar. Rotors and impact rotors shoot a stream (some shoot multiple streams) in a circular pattern. So they can cover a much greater area for a given PSI and GPM. Impact rotors have pretty high GPM requirements, though, so unless you upgrade your water supply line, chance are you don't have enough GPM available to drive more than a couple per zone. That's why most residential homes use non-impact rotors. Non-impact rotors are also silent so your neighbors might thank you for that. Do...do...do install a drip system for your landscaping. Note that drip tubing is not the same as the rubber soaker hose that you buy at box stores (that stuff is crap). Drip tubing and drip emitters are generally pressure-compensating so emitters near the end of a run are guaranteed to output the same amount of water as emitters near the start of the run. J On 08/13/2016 09:31 AM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I'm planning on having a lawn sprinkler system installed. I've noted that there are several types of sprinkler heads and would like some input on which type is the best. Any opinions? > > Bob Nogueira > > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 13:24:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6412588B89 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5321F2587651 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:47:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mIwc0Orlib3FSPfLzyHhYhVaAWSeVlWRyNVBnQwtKBxeweq/THyKKhN0GWDcMnye; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.130.191] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bYd25-0004dn-BM; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:47:41 -0400 To: Robert nogueira , Shop-talk References: <908CB343-ECEE-4B9E-9DAA-6C399B284767@icloud.com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:46:56 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob - You asked a very broad question with lots of possible answers. To gain a better understanding of sprinklers, I suggest you take a look at http://orbit.homedepot.com/sprinkler_design There are other design tools, but this is a good starting point. For planting areas, I recommend drip irrigation. For small grass areas and irregular shapes, pop up heads are good. For large grass areas, I recommend gear drive rotors as they are quieter than the impact rotors. If doing it yourself, you will need to find out your water pressure and flow. If you have a contractor doing the work, he should do the same - connect a pressure gauge and time filling a bucket. You will then need to plot the area you plan to irrigate and place the heads. Next, you use the available water calculation and flow of the heads to group them in zones. You want each zone to have the same class of sprinkler and similar conditions so that the watering needs match. I recommend staying with a single brand for a given type of sprinkler so you can interchange parts if something breaks. I recommend at least 4" pop-ups if you go that route. The 2.5" ones don't clear the top of the grass unless you have a lawn like a golf green and people that have them likely have a lawn full of sprinkler divots - grass holes cut with the sting trimmer so the sprinklers will actually spray. The price difference is small. I recommend sprinkler heads in the lawn area be connected with a short length of flexible pipe. This makes it easier to have the top of the head flush with the surface. It also mean that if someone drives a truck over your sprinkler, they are less likely to actually break a pipe. I use Toro funny pipe. Automatic controllers are great so you can water early in the morning while you are still asleep and the water has time to soak in before the sun comes up. Weather based controllers are also a great idea so you don't water your lawn in the rain. They have a sensor you mount on a fence or the house that communicates with the controller to stop the sprinklers for a period of time after measurable rain or bump up the time if it is unusually hot and dry. If you are doing your sprinkler maintenance and have a big property, a remote control is really nice so you can turn the sprinklers on and off from beside the sprinkler head you are working on. As Jimmy mentioned in his reply, plan for expansion. At the end of my manifolds, I just stubbed out an additional supply pipe with a cap. If I want to add an extra zone, I can just cut the pipe and add another riser for the valve. The sprinkler valve in a properly designed system you be full open when running. Each sprinkler head is normally adjustable. If you live where it freezes, you want the capability to blow out the sprinkler zones to remove the water from the pipes. If you have a situation where the sprinklers don't seem to spray well, look for a leak or broken pipe. Good luck. Once they work, sprinkler systems are great. Brian On 8/13/2016 6:31 AM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I'm planning on having a lawn sprinkler system installed. I've noted that there are several types of sprinkler heads and would like some input on which type is the best. Any opinions? > > Bob Nogueira > > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 14:49:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2262588C85 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:49:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com [17.110.78.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698962588AC9 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:50:55 -0600 (MDT) mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OBV00A002MDJH00@mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:50:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from PatsOffice (unknown [184.105.18.14]) by mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OBV006L230V7640@mr11p24im-asmtp004.me.com>; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:50:57 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-08-13_11:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1608130231 From: Pat Horne To: 'Jimmie Mayfield' , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <908CB343-ECEE-4B9E-9DAA-6C399B284767@icloud.com> <161a9b06-7b14-dc4b-818e-3e90b7acb9ab@sackheads.org> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:50:28 -0500 Thread-index: AdH1gZM4A3LguAISTJa2jJky6lC+7AAESFwA Content-language: en-us t=1471114257; bh=TcusHqwJ22hPo9rg3qSVGerRWpqb4wiLb9AlJBrdMRc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-id:MIME-version:Content-type; b=o8OFprj/9/sr5L0bfHMSyN92yqQufRWedUhcLfCJTZZku2g5S8MCBLzQC0j/iUeoP e37upn2PTLP/SkFPmc9WnVvCERBpF/Q9+WrHyxoUCwcWJcthqaplcVb3LZOA0spLzK 8OUPzpn8cw/76sAOdxQ+3xjbU9c//9WMgBlgN3pJjQBvgIHdlD3njvurFTE/dDN/qj O4CfY8A1QQLinz+1Xy55ialtyJOATh0Ha5vwrGzjG4+CvywY7hBJEUq1UCsZi6aIGc lFwHGGdL6WVUPU51YuEt636elWrkNbw8615E+QCb7zSpNu1HpxooQNRTL8v+60WQXJ R5O+sgqKPAccQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I totally agree with Jimmie, but would go a bit further. Don't forget to add extra wires for the extra valves, plus one or so if the wires get damaged you don't have to dig up the yard to repair it, just move to a different wire. Depending on the price of the controller, I would also add enough control zones to handle the extra valves. Some controllers have the ability to add more zones on later, which would be an alternative. Also, no matter who installs the system, take photos of the pipes and wires so if there is a need to find them you will have a better idea of where they are. I have drip tapes around my trees and in the garden and they work great. There is no spraying water into the air where some will evaporate and puts it all on the roots. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jimmie Mayfield Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:24 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Are you contracting someone to install or doing it yourself? If contracting, your installer most likely already has a particular brand/model that (s)he tends to work with so you'll need to talk to them about what they plan to use. My sprinkler system consists of 5 zones of rotors (Rainbird 3500 and 5000) for the lawn areas and 2 zones of a mixture of drip and microsprayers for the landscaping and garden areas. Whatever you choose, I strongly recommend you plan for future expansion. So install an extra valve or two in each valve box. Extra valves are trivial to add to your manifolds when everything is dug up but it's a devil to add a valve to an existing box once everything is closed-up and buried. Worst case is the extra valves never get used. For your main sprinklers, you pretty much have 3 choices: rotors, impact rotors or sprayers. Sprayers are the simplest...no moving parts...and you can buy spray heads for various patterns. But for a given GPM and PSI, they have lower coverage area than rotors so you'll need comparatively more zones if you use sprayers. They're useful if you have an odd-shaped rectangular area or if you want to spray your shrubbery from afar. Rotors and impact rotors shoot a stream (some shoot multiple streams) in a circular pattern. So they can cover a much greater area for a given PSI and GPM. Impact rotors have pretty high GPM requirements, though, so unless you upgrade your water supply line, chance are you don't have enough GPM available to drive more than a couple per zone. That's why most residential homes use non-impact rotors. Non-impact rotors are also silent so your neighbors might thank you for that. Do...do...do install a drip system for your landscaping. Note that drip tubing is not the same as the rubber soaker hose that you buy at box stores (that stuff is crap). Drip tubing and drip emitters are generally pressure-compensating so emitters near the end of a run are guaranteed to output the same amount of water as emitters near the start of the run. J On 08/13/2016 09:31 AM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I'm planning on having a lawn sprinkler system installed. I've noted that there are several types of sprinkler heads and would like some input on which type is the best. Any opinions? > > Bob Nogueira > > > Bob Nogueira > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads. org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 15:46:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7E22588CF6 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 15:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771F8258834F for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 15:11:59 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iK6EZBzQz/NRAn94DUdv2TlDkV3Yg/lt7FJv2p2etA3fw09izOvrq4SYnRfPZVGo; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.130.191] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bYgDf-0000KP-In; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:11:51 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Robert nogueira References: <908CB343-ECEE-4B9E-9DAA-6C399B284767@icloud.com> <161a9b06-7b14-dc4b-818e-3e90b7acb9ab@sackheads.org> <000301d1f593$90df83a0$b29e8ae0$@com> From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:11:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lawn sprinkler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Pat's advice about the wires is right on if the controller isn't next to the valves. I had one zone that was initially intermittent due to a bad wire. When it failed, I had to dig up wire to two different manifolds (the far one followed the path of the near one). The bad install came as part of the house, but now both those manifolds have 1/2 PCV conduit protecting the wires. One run has a LB junction at the end. The other has a single gang box for the wire junctions. Brown wire blends in with brown dirt, so it is tough to see if you dig. Brian On 8/13/2016 11:50 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > Don't forget to add extra wires for the extra valves, plus one or so if the > wires get damaged you don't have to dig up the yard to repair it, just move > to a different wire. > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 20 14:07:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917102587B02 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:07:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a119.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CE82585D17 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 12:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a119.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a119.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3476000120E for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:01:28 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=dbUaOz6FaNctpV0pEBzC/XeZ UsA=; b=G5Kbvkv7rwaSDLBQm8q5MiabW/kfQfgqOCYn6PUmt/84EUcd/sCr0pci kERsVhKeicCCg4tMNdFccsoAYr6GUPRZhDYuWpAohyLMPQHCBwvS3EwETr/FwSRW ngn9Eo8vQ6JCol3DpZapLYTMJvvm7mc3D6Ss3pz+Kjxid+qiuSU= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a119.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E87B6000120C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:01:26 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm rewiring an old lamp and the engineer in me says I should ground the frame in case the socket goes awry. There's currently no conductivity between the neutral part of the socket and the frame/pole (isolated by a cardboard sleeve), so if the hot touches the frame it will become hot. Paranoid or common sense? Any reason not to? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 20 19:37:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02D72587767 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com [17.110.78.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C35325881FD for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:26:15 -0600 (MDT) mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OC8008005YU8W00@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:26:22 +0000 (GMT) t=1471724782; bh=6iUKUfxxNavQvy544bRdlfJ/LODUv5DsvrBwPOJfWnI=; h=MIME-version:Content-type:Message-id:From:Subject:Date:To; b=J3FVYqPHr1CRsga056UVaos69XwdiE18I+WV5/CAtcuwq+HAj5qLOLwSghKgyYmMK ugnRkH2kyx8lvScehxdR2n1kL38W+1JbgsS2pOZwNWtNQwrKXAkvbc3P/qI52ipISL VyLvgB/R1xCdtu29MyjZ0Jj6jMu/zBja+N8+8utdv6bJgYvX9/515aIaJLdXLhQ9oN cZOhFdTgd58OP4BuZMDMyl8QX/+7DP8FzR6NlD1ea6t/O18MAvaV1uJIkBoxInFoFC t/gUKMADIwZZaeRfH6tdeErjM/tmj9gH6mlN5EQoTct29JMdr7aC0LFNaQwfy7ywvW xb902SwVObyPA== Received: from [192.168.1.131] (71-83-222-79.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com [71.83.222.79]) by mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OC8006KZ63RJA20@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com>; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:26:22 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-08-20_11:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1608200261 References: <3339F50B-C9DA-4178-9D51-7EB9B82077CC@groupwbench.org> From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:26:15 -0700 To: Jim Franklin Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The paranoid in me says to ground it too but getting 3-wire cord that looks good isn't easy. There is some flat 3-wire coed out there, so look around. Peace, Pat Pat Horne We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: I'm rewiring an old lamp and the engineer in me says I should ground the frame in case the socket goes awry. There's currently no conductivity between the neutral part of the socket and the frame/pole (isolated by a cardboard sleeve), so if the hot touches the frame it will become hot. Paranoid or common sense? Any reason not to? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 20 21:41:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAAA258610B for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F172587EF6 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E530348000A39 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=pomRXfMOBwqDNynLrlgvrWul4zQ=; b=cu1ex/fwy2NA nMAsvAXhIOrPtrZ/wlRPRQponvlgiZ94T6FWz57yqXSmqvmdrrjo2pPb1NJ66PWB OQaDvcSAAtqb/ORSAG0opAKfmNCF4r1lMDonUNCh3E2Gx2k2pr5e8c2b3WZzbDhF hDChc+6SwLfkJCQxXunfnKjNvsOyc8A= Received: from jims-imac.home (pool-98-118-109-236.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9357F48000A34 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:04:17 -0400 References: <3339F50B-C9DA-4178-9D51-7EB9B82077CC@groupwbench.org> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yea, after looking around at the (lack of) available wire, I disassembled the socket and determined it was pretty unlikely the hot screw would ever contact the frame, since the cardboard was in great shape. So unless I find round 16/2 stranded with ground, i'll keep it as is. jim On Aug 20, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > The paranoid in me says to ground it too but getting 3-wire cord that looks good isn't easy. There is some flat 3-wire coed out there, so look around. > > Peace, > Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity > > > On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > I'm rewiring an old lamp and the engineer in me says I should ground the frame in case the socket goes awry. There's currently no conductivity between the neutral part of the socket and the frame/pole (isolated by a cardboard sleeve), so if the hot touches the frame it will become hot. > > Paranoid or common sense? Any reason not to? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 20 22:43:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D68725885CB for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28EC258827A for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:62009] helo=Meislaptop) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 14/51-29984-8C309B75; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 01:28:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , References: <3339F50B-C9DA-4178-9D51-7EB9B82077CC@groupwbench.org> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:28:32 -0700 Thread-Index: AdH7H3qb/w76M30XTwmhepvMBZwslQAK44Hg a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:117 a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=p_gsw-nvYQgkRj-nyOYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm rewiring an old lamp and the engineer in me says I should ground the > frame in case the socket goes awry. There's currently no conductivity > between the neutral part of the socket and the frame/pole (isolated by a > cardboard sleeve), so if the hot touches the frame it will become hot. > > Paranoid or common sense? Any reason not to? Only reason not to IMO would be if you still have a 2 prong outlet or extension cord somewhere. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 21 00:57:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3129E2587610 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 00:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DBB2588564 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:62092] helo=Meislaptop) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2A/26-27689-D8F29B75; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:35:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , References: <3339F50B-C9DA-4178-9D51-7EB9B82077CC@groupwbench.org> <43AA1E03-3C10-499C-9592-969902F2AF9F@groupwbench.org> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:35:16 -0700 Thread-Index: AdH7Xpg7NpQ80bshRmqp/ixFkDOVmAABXX7g a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:117 a=qZdJX8rkFm4y5TzLCyaqOg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Z7itauT5AAAA:8 a=biiXsAMw595HWyqYUi0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nWsLq4tqsnAA:10 a=-h2csi5wQJonoWhbDroA:22 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net -- Randall > So unless I > find round 16/2 stranded with ground, i'll keep it as is. If color doesn't matter, you can easily find round 16/2 with ground (or 16/3 which will work just as well) as a "light duty" extension cord. Usually only orange, yellow, red or green, though. If flat would do, there are more color choices, like white, black and gray. http://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-15-ft-16-3-White-Tight-Space-Cube-Tap-Cord-AW 64035/207024576 Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 21 09:23:02 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D60E25887A3 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF7D258860C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 4so119827898oih.2 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 06:22:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BD16uScMycvgloRx1TQE+SFuDttHU/h7QirJoSmBo9Y=; b=neRoSfWo1+dDMpLv4z8d71fjwK9V2zn0MWHW+ICjiD51lbxvNijIXSu6aMV0s40E4T S7cdplzJ0hG7kI7zSVCSEb9coB3/oZnu9T385FWnJOZBC5oMPWkTeJm09lA7FWBH7UXd hNwfs6VaOYMSZXO2Lgf4ANZaylEa2H802NBIXR2q3jzGJrXOcsZOw7tF6L31+oXl37u3 L6RbHoCciNM5+Kd6zQhFNDCw+FCNadU4NhAeN6fb4hvURfjVtNltN4YB4aEGZhZTEAa2 7637AzoXzKHaYf+BU8tyThYPxBVU1bFJTPjE/hfS7ynNRv+bnwaOw+2jPxJ66xrLIQ1u 6eJg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BD16uScMycvgloRx1TQE+SFuDttHU/h7QirJoSmBo9Y=; b=g3ukyUal8Yw0A+vLZT5xsHSxJSoQQJ6Aob+rXfXFxE3dzDaZ6ptyRPyo4vZGmRDjVu xmB1colLl608E4VPvgL6pbIQQC6eQjQPI1oOv9taA7MODkAI0m6u7D3PzOr2UbM91vxW fvFrXsz3q+gE2OExWAj0wEeiyK17Xrd1kHEQ8yIDfB0FlXcjt0vssNzqmfZkDnXK5vnm 5ddgy2/yWgtt9W04Iq2HlVnDIY7rFOFTFLWvflYHRIbBQpMYWRoBYtSJ0Q7/U/yQaY1K t/eTiyoCvBEep7jUVcAJNgjL22iRt2tdu8IQyDXi6OMJp3dHfWhnEnB2nogGj9OhyYfq h99w== Sun, 21 Aug 2016 06:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.10.67 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2016 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <3339F50B-C9DA-4178-9D51-7EB9B82077CC@groupwbench.org> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:22:44 -0400 To: Jim Franklin Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Should I ground a floor lamp? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There are tens of millions of these in use all over, and I expect that none of them have an equipment grounding conductor. There doesn't seem to be any widespread problem... Just make sure to use a polarized plug (check your house wiring if necessary), and exercise due care when wiring the socket. (Hot wire to the center, neutral to the shell, but you knew that.) I have been known to solder the bare conductors in a hook shape so no strands go awry when I tighten the screw - but even that is probably overkill. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm rewiring an old lamp and the engineer in me says I should ground the frame in case the socket goes awry. There's currently no conductivity between the neutral part of the socket and the frame/pole (isolated by a cardboard sleeve), so if the hot touches the frame it will become hot. > > Paranoid or common sense? Any reason not to? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 31 11:12:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F23F2587720 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C722588ED7 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([67.160.74.98]) by :SMTPAUTH: with SMTP id f5tJb7HIG3BbOf5tJbRfCf; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 06:49:22 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 06:49:21 -0700 Importance: Normal qijEtkssQiPZjB5k8FnpKhQAhDnGPU22PXTpDGnu1SFmHoTg9hCM+EDD Subject: [Shop-talk] SLATWALL Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4480829106312524100== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01D20353.CD7B3B60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D20353.CD7B3B60 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to the = house. Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just yesterday! Getting around to planning the walls. I have an opportunity=20 to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of=20 some areas that this could be a good alternative to drywall. Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a garage? Good or bad luck in using? Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D20353.CD7B3B60 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to = the=20 house.

Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just = yesterday!

Getting around to planning the walls. I have an opportunity =

to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of =

some areas that this could be a good alternative to drywall.

Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a = garage?

Good or bad luck in using?

Thanks.

Steve=20 Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA

------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D20353.CD7B3B60-- --===============4480829106312524100== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4480829106312524100==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 31 14:53:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5716F2588900 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE78C2589613 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AMIPC (pool-68-133-33-23.bflony.fios.verizon.net [68.133.33.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B44D0F1E01; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:58:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA'" , References: <0E1EF3F230AF480683E8DAF538FDFFE2@StevePC> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:58:25 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHSA6yyBoP8cxNQI0mkp+HjBIQTKKBjWvSA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] SLATWALL Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5709976689847577687== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D2038F.BE763430" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D2038F.BE763430 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used slat wall in my basement. Even used it non horizontal. Just = looks like expensive wood paneling. =20 Tony V =20 From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:49 AM To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] SLATWALL =20 Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to the = house. Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just yesterday! Getting around to planning the walls. I have an opportunity=20 to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of=20 some areas that this could be a good alternative to drywall. Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a garage? Good or bad luck in using? Thanks. =20 Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D2038F.BE763430 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have used = slat wall in my basement. Even used it non horizontal. Just looks like = expensive wood paneling.

Tony = V

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Just approaching = the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to the = house.

Trusses flew-in = with the hell of a large crane, just = yesterday!

Getting around to = planning the walls. I have an opportunity =

to obtain a = good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of =

some areas that = this could be a good alternative to = drywall.

Any = suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a = garage?

Good or bad luck = in using?

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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D2038F.BE763430-- --===============5709976689847577687== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5709976689847577687==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 31 19:41:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DEE258922B for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com [17.172.220.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDE92589058 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:02:44 -0600 (MDT) st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OCS00500HJJ7X00@st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:02:50 +0000 (GMT) t=1472673770; bh=S33IVTk7nLBDo+8DxhAV59gnDn0q3MGOmX9vq1//93I=; h=Subject:MIME-version:Content-type:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=gbIYTDg/xtbQwq4tMCKjzusdWSXFto1fB5G+qB2wfc5ubHgjAThlie4h+56fA+dPe e45jJqBILVZ0CwD8H10v7TlL/SuzDTS+A4cJtxgSrGJxrVJwZwCB1YYcjTDIvFDfjl mQfbt7R8WriSPAhDm4T2xDxTfsfJcdxCwBOZM4FUlTkTXZhhakORrBNeUm9RFAciTD WgoEmU5QwjUscszV3icsRjWAwiHdqRUdlPhnv7SJQt2u6QFALI/0N+su+x7Y5kjgEh N2tarQ+UmX0aTYL+i0VDqJtFYvhf/nAZvHvKFteEiRXdXK/tLmU8Xk5d5cWLIkkn8E +JgM9IiFfz2yA== Received: from [192.168.0.67] (216-161-88-177.ptld.qwest.net [216.161.88.177]) by st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OCS001CHICN3J30@st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com>; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:02:49 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-08-31_04:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603290000 definitions=main-1608310237 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:02:51 -0700 References: <0E1EF3F230AF480683E8DAF538FDFFE2@StevePC> To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] SLATWALL Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9176905597593404185== boundary="Apple-Mail=_158F103B-BB4F-40B7-811A-D754D6F82828" --Apple-Mail=_158F103B-BB4F-40B7-811A-D754D6F82828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Hi Steve, I put several panels up in my garage, and have been happy with it. The = fixtures are much heavier that the typical peg board stuff, which is = nice. The only thing I did wrong was I attached it to concrete walls, and only = bolted it at the top and bottom. So the center bows out with humidity = change, or when heavy loads. But it hasn=E2=80=99t been bad enough that = I=E2=80=99ve gone back to add fasteners. Mine was unfinished MDF, which I painted white. -Darrell > On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA = wrote: >=20 > Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to the = house. > Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just yesterday! > Getting around to planning the walls. I have an opportunity > to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of > some areas that this could be a good alternative to drywall. > Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a garage? > Good or bad luck in using? > Thanks. > =20 > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_158F103B-BB4F-40B7-811A-D754D6F82828 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

Hi Steve,

I put several panels up = in my garage, and have been happy with it. The fixtures are much = heavier that the typical peg board stuff, which is nice.

The only thing I did = wrong was I attached it to concrete walls, and only bolted it at the top = and bottom. So the center bows out with humidity change, or when = heavy loads. But it hasn=E2=80=99t been bad enough that I=E2=80=99ve= gone back to add fasteners.

Mine was unfinished MDF, which I = painted white.

-Darrell

On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:49 AM, = Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA <gsteve@hammatt.com> = wrote:

Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage = addition to the=20 house.

Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just = yesterday!

Getting around to planning the walls. I have an = opportunity

to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was = thinking of

some areas that this could be a good alternative to = drywall.

Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative = in a garage?

Good or bad luck in using?

Thanks.

Steve=20= Hammatt
Mount Vernon WA USA
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= --Apple-Mail=_158F103B-BB4F-40B7-811A-D754D6F82828-- --===============9176905597593404185== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============9176905597593404185==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 31 20:52:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2044725881AF for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9B2258788E for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vz-proxy-l008.mx.aol.com ([64.236.82.153]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0OCS0019CJT1HU60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:34:18 -0500 (CDT) a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=7z1cN_iqozsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bsVsaIPaAAAA:8 a=MzPbKCkOiH9ibdyILkMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: by 72.86.143.140 with SMTP id 1a6d88d3; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:34:18 GMT To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <0E1EF3F230AF480683E8DAF538FDFFE2@StevePC> From: Rush Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:32:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] SLATWALL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have slatwall on one half of my garage and am planning on installing it on the other half. It's a super flexible storage solution with a near infinite variety of hangers for any type of item. Mine has metal inserts in the grooves to make it a little tougher to tear out a hanger, should it receive a shock. Essentially the drywall got in the way of my installation. Would been easier to install directly on the studs. Assuming your fire codes permit it. The only downside so far is the cheap hangers sometimes pop out of the wall when you are unloading them. A minor inconvenience. Jon On 8/31/2016 9:49 AM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Just approaching the finishing of a 2k sf shop/garage addition to the house. > Trusses flew-in with the hell of a large crane, just yesterday! > Getting around to planning the walls. I have an opportunity > to obtain a good-sized amount of SLATWALL. Was thinking of > some areas that this could be a good alternative to drywall. > Any suggestions? Is the product a good alternative in a garage? > Good or bad luck in using? > Thanks. > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdrush@enter.net > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive