On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:20 PM, j= ohn niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m working on a truck project (53 f-100) in a single car gara= ge...=C2=A0=20 the truck is almost complete with 460 ci engine cab and bed in place...=C2= =A0=20 when I started it was easy to push in and out of the garage.. especially ou= t=20 since the floor and drive slope slightly away from the door.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pu= shing=20 it back in is getting to be a problem when I=E2=80=99m working alone.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m=20 thinking about mounting an extra 3000#=C2=A0 winch to the floor and spoolin= g out=20 the cable to the trailer hitch on the truck and using the winch to pull it = back=20 in.=C2=A0 The truck is on ball bearing wheeled dollies and moves easily on = flat=20 ground.=C2=A0 I need ideas for mounting the winch temporarily when I need= =20 it...=C2=A0

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Maybe anchoring a removable ring in the floor and use chain thru the r= ing=20 to tie to the winch mount plate... or something similar.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not su= re on=20 floor thickness but know it=E2=80=99s at least 4=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 (I=E2=80=99= m gonna drill and find out=20 actual thickness)=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m open to all suggestions and comme= nts

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thanks

John

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My wife asked for a monogrammed Yeti cup--you know, those = stainless steel cups that keep ice cool forever.

Got the= cup, had it monogrammed. I am a hero.

Monogram is= so 'shallow' into the stainless that it's almost impossible to= see. You can catch your fingernail on it, but just barely.

<= /div>

I was going to have at it with a Sharpie, then wipe off the exces= s, but I don't know if that'll do it--if it wipes off the surroundi= ng metal, why won't it wipe off the engraved part, too? I doubt the cut= is deep enough to hold paint, but I might try that.

Thought you guys might have advice on how to get this to stand out.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

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take your mig welder with .029 wire... and with a steady hand...... = I=20 wouldn=E2=80=99t use flux core.... too much texture with that

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Subject: [Shop-talk] Dye-ing stainless = steel

My wife asked for a monogrammed Yeti cup--you know, those = stainless=20 steel cups that keep ice cool forever.=20

Got the cup, had it monogrammed. I am a hero.

Monogram is so 'shallow' into the stainless that it's almost = impossible to=20 see. You can catch your fingernail on it, but just barely.

I was going to have at it with a Sharpie, then wipe off the excess, = but I=20 don't know if that'll do it--if it wipes off the surrounding metal, why = won't it=20 wipe off the engraved part, too? I doubt the cut is deep enough to hold = paint,=20 but I might try that.

Thought you guys might have advice on how to get this to stand = out.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

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I saw that because my garage has evidence of one of the walls having been pulled off the foundation. I'm not sure how they did that, but I got to fix it. Actually, I know *how* they did it--a gigantic D-ring mounted around a length of bar stock bolted through several of the studs with a manual winch attached to that. What I don't know is what on earth they were winching on and how they thought that was a good idea. It was a pain to get the sill plate squared back up onto the slab. Scott On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:30 PM, John Innis wrote: > I had a situation very similar to yours. What I ended up doing was to > mount a 5000# D ring at the back of the garage and attaching a snatch blo= ck > to that. Then I used a winch on my tow vehicle to pull the project in an= d > out of the garage. To pull out, just hook up directly and pull. To pull > in, hook to the front of the project, through the snatch block and pull. > The D-Ring was small enough and mounted all the way against the back wall= , > so it was never in the way and I didn't have to worry about hooking and > unhooking. > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:20 PM, john niolon wrote: > >> I=E2=80=99m working on a truck project (53 f-100) in a single car garage= ... the >> truck is almost complete with 460 ci engine cab and bed in place... whe= n I >> started it was easy to push in and out of the garage.. especially out si= nce >> the floor and drive slope slightly away from the door. Pushing it back= in >> is getting to be a problem when I=E2=80=99m working alone. I=E2=80=99m= thinking about >> mounting an extra 3000# winch to the floor and spooling out the cable t= o >> the trailer hitch on the truck and using the winch to pull it back in. = The >> truck is on ball bearing wheeled dollies and moves easily on flat ground= . >> I need ideas for mounting the winch temporarily when I need it... >> >> Maybe anchoring a removable ring in the floor and use chain thru the rin= g >> to tie to the winch mount plate... or something similar. Not sure on >> floor thickness but know it=E2=80=99s at least 4=E2=80=9D (I=E2=80=99m = gonna drill and find out >> actual thickness) I=E2=80=99m open to all suggestions and comments >> >> thanks >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D > =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail= .com > > > --001a114e710ade6ed605369a190e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd do exactly what you suggest, John--anchor a loop/r= ing/anchor to the slab and use that.

I saw that because = my garage has evidence of one of the walls having been pulled off the found= ation. I'm not sure how they did that, but I got to fix it.

<= br>

Actually, I know *how* they did it--a gigantic D-ring mounted= around a length of bar stock bolted through several of the studs with a ma= nual winch attached to that. What I don't know is what on earth they we= re winching on and how they thought that was a good idea.

It was a pain to get the sill plate squared back up onto the slab.<= /div>

Scott

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:30 PM, John Innis <jdinn= is@gmail.com> wrote:

I had a situation very similar to yours.=C2=A0 What I ended up d= oing was to mount a 5000# D ring at the back of the garage and attaching a = snatch block to that.=C2=A0 Then I used a winch on my tow vehicle to pull t= he project in and out of the garage.=C2=A0 To pull out, just hook up direct= ly and pull.=C2=A0 To pull in, hook to the front of the project, through th= e snatch block and pull.=C2=A0 The D-Ring was small enough and mounted all = the way against the back wall, so it was never in the way and I didn't = have to worry about hooking and unhooking.

On Fri, Jul 1, 20= 16 at 12:20 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
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I=E2=80=99m working on a truck project (53 f-100) in a single car gara= ge...=C2=A0=20 the truck is almost complete with 460 ci engine cab and bed in place...=C2= =A0=20 when I started it was easy to push in and out of the garage.. especially ou= t=20 since the floor and drive slope slightly away from the door.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pu= shing=20 it back in is getting to be a problem when I=E2=80=99m working alone.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m=20 thinking about mounting an extra 3000#=C2=A0 winch to the floor and spoolin= g out=20 the cable to the trailer hitch on the truck and using the winch to pull it = back=20 in.=C2=A0 The truck is on ball bearing wheeled dollies and moves easily on = flat=20 ground.=C2=A0 I need ideas for mounting the winch temporarily when I need= =20 it...=C2=A0

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Maybe anchoring a removable ring in the floor and use chain thru the r= ing=20 to tie to the winch mount plate... or something similar.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Not su= re on=20 floor thickness but know it=E2=80=99s at least 4=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 (I=E2=80=99= m gonna drill and find out=20 actual thickness)=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m open to all suggestions and comme= nts

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thanks

John

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--001a114e710ade6ed605369a190e-- --===============6564602978426538692== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6564602978426538692==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 1 16:32:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5C92589AEA for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A12588CE8 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io0-f176.google.com with SMTP id g13so110404831ioj.1 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=y9buElfK7t3zjtHPopf0A0D5BLaSyBys1DZTBhru20Q=; b=UD7U/1lbnLBf3nW2EdUzYkrY3C3qzx9HQ3r8PS/0vD/6KALS1L+vXIdFnISwxMhghV 0EBB7+lpB6sJ/fyMULzcySTIzOaBnSUhVfeIsBT8F6Jx6lOFPdb2lMrBN3/pVrIMx3LK 3PJRDWVls7vhV8FGIW4+j/z0hbPCRatb9mCQH/Q1C39jyjVICfUrW3vXpVYploiFs/wE th0m6lQLNzzNwNDRwOOkCoRdncT1V/214W+WYEnB/qNuIkyQN7xmBcJPJwoMy8aPgooZ +WD6pm13eujWJMfSVpo3tJKri6SncL4C6Hz4nmJiWlN5a6FYcFfmhao9UnPN8nY0q3u8 RawA== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=y9buElfK7t3zjtHPopf0A0D5BLaSyBys1DZTBhru20Q=; b=RFujft83oetm4hDxlnAN1csidEysvCyQ5q/YrLBHeyMHKM3iItwJQRIAsTThAHhJKC OouG32RUUCyaqPM/p1i5mBWGURyGfvY7dI8VYZ3jZG/1nPAgWgTW5Hznq4y4tdgmmf2D 63SxGs9S0Bt+mVrMiXh65tsP/G/BwKlUEatl8F6PI8cECbAE3HVgYiMLr3qIkSidrZaE kSfwYrfsWnRnpRdFAzQHMsQr46t1BnQJU9QnRbv18DXBdVy3mKayjKf8toXTAZ8XTdMM LJL+l3jJcFEYvwiUgDJnJMdc/SclRpBC4d/MB+N0IY3vu8f6rpz1UStr0GQjety/pJaJ 0CcA== 01 Jul 2016 15:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.33.4 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:01:08 -0400 To: Scott Hall Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dye-ing stainless steel Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0518861842729523212== --001a1140f488c1fbfa05369a1f28 The Lotus guys do what you're talking about with enamel hobby paint and it comes out pretty nice: http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f92/84869d1215138186-slow-day-painted-my-shift-knob-shift_knob_painted.jpg Cheap enough to give it a shot: http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=18696956&KPID=14980716&pla=pla_14980716 -Paul On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > My wife asked for a monogrammed Yeti cup--you know, those stainless steel > cups that keep ice cool forever. > > Got the cup, had it monogrammed. I am a hero. > > Monogram is so 'shallow' into the stainless that it's almost impossible to > see. You can catch your fingernail on it, but just barely. > > I was going to have at it with a Sharpie, then wipe off the excess, but I > don't know if that'll do it--if it wipes off the surrounding metal, why > won't it wipe off the engraved part, too? I doubt the cut is deep enough to > hold paint, but I might try that. > > Thought you guys might have advice on how to get this to stand out. > > Thanks in advance. > > Scott > --001a1140f488c1fbfa05369a1f28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Lotus guys do what you're talking about with ename= l hobby paint and it comes out pretty nice:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums= /attachments/f92/84869d1215138186-slow-day-painted-my-shift-knob-shift_knob= _painted.jpg

Cheap enough to give it a shot:

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-Paul

On Fri, Jul 1,= 2016 at 4:53 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:

My wife asked for = a monogrammed Yeti cup--you know, those stainless steel cups that keep ice = cool forever.

Got the cup, had it monogrammed. I am a he= ro.

Monogram is so 'shallow' into the stai= nless that it's almost impossible to see. You can catch your fingernail= on it, but just barely.

I was going to have at it= with a Sharpie, then wipe off the excess, but I don't know if that'= ;ll do it--if it wipes off the surrounding metal, why won't it wipe off= the engraved part, too? I doubt the cut is deep enough to hold paint, but = I might try that.

Thought you guys might have advi= ce on how to get this to stand out.

Thanks in adva= nce.

Scot= t

I'd have a look at the drivetrain...specifically axles a= nd CV joints.

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016, 11:13 = John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net<= /a>> wrote:

Shop content: a neig= hbor came into my shop (garage) and asked me a
question about his 2004 Honda Accord with about 87,000 mi on it.

When he accelerates above 50 MPH the car vibrates.=C2=A0 He took me for a test ride, and it is very previlant.=C2=A0 You feel it through the entire c= ar.

As soon as he quits accelerating the ride smooths out.=C2=A0 As long as he = is hold
a constant speed everything if fine.=C2=A0 But if he trys to accelerate
the vibration starts back up.

The check engine light is **not** on.=C2=A0 The only light that is on is th= e maint.
required light.

I don't think the problem has anything to do with the plugs, wires,
injectors, or fuel pump as any of those items should throw a code.

I thought about a wheel ballance problem, but the problem should not go
away when holding a steady speed.=C2=A0 He's also had the tires ballanc= ed to
try and correct the problem to no avail.

My diagnostic skill are starting to dwain, I think.=C2=A0 So I thought I= 9;d come to
the well of knowledge and see if anyone had any idea of where to look or what to look for.

TIA

John

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The only light that is on is the maint. > required light. > > I don't think the problem has anything to do with the plugs, wires, injectors, or fuel pump as any of those items should throw a code. > > I thought about a wheel ballance problem, but the problem should not go > away when holding a steady speed. He's also had the tires ballanced to > try and correct the problem to no avail. > > My diagnostic skill are starting to dwain, I think. So I thought I'd come to > the well of knowledge and see if anyone had any idea of where to look or > what to look for. > > TIA > > John > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. 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But that never stopped me from giving an opinion! 8>) First, I would think of a motor/tranny mount. They are a pain to check for since I have seen them 'look' fine when the engine isn't under load. Next, balancing the tires was a good idea, but a quick check is to rotate them. (Fronts to rear, crossing sides.) Then a quick ride. Here is my thinking on this... When the car is accelerating, weight is lifted off the front tires. It is possible that a misbalanced wheel could be exacerbated under these conditions. Next is the front wheel alinement. Same thinking as above, but rotating tires will not identify this as a problem. Check the tires for any uneven wear. Can you read the codes from the OBDCII? Do you have a lift? These are the next two things I would dig into if I couldn't get anywhere with the above steps. Make sure you post the answer once it's found, I know I want to know what it turns out to be. If you are near NJ, the Garage M'hal is always open for business for stoptalkers (and their friends.) This weekend's project here is getting the new compressor wired and installed. (Not a small feat.) So I'm here all weekend. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00574E8F85257FE4_=
OK, let me start by saying, I do NOT know what is causing this.

But that never stopped me from giving an opinion! 8>)

First, I would think of a motor/tranny mount. They are a pain to check for since I have seen them 'look' fine when the engine isn't under load.

Next, balancing the tires was a good idea, but a quick check is to rotate them. (Fronts to rear, crossing sides.) Then a quick ride. Here is my thinking on this...

When the car is accelerating, weight is lifted off the front tires. It is possible that a misbalanced wheel could be exacerbated under these conditions.

Next is the front wheel alinement. Same thinking as above, but rotating tires will not identify this as a problem. Check the tires for any uneven wear.

Can you read the codes from the OBDCII? Do you have a lift? These are the next two things I would dig into if I couldn't get anywhere with the above steps.

Make sure you post the answer once it's found, I know I want to know what it turns out to be.

If you are near NJ, the Garage M'hal is always open for business for stoptalkers (and their friends.)

This weekend's project here is getting the new compressor wired and installed. (Not a small feat.) So I'm here all weekend.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 00574E8F85257FE4_=-- --===============5080986653164774862== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5080986653164774862==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 2 11:39:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156192589F25 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com [17.110.78.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BB525858E5 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:15:10 -0600 (MDT) mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0O9P00N006JRV800@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 17:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.50.62] (unknown [184.105.18.14]) by mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0O9P003E46LOT150@mr11p24im-asmtp003.me.com>; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 17:15:27 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-07-02_07:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=4 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1607020174 References: From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 12:15:23 -0500 To: eric@megageek.com t=1467479727; bh=h3QDvKuDYq0VHHnup6BHBgSzcU3p92ypR8mfmfEqgGo=; h=MIME-version:Content-type:Message-id:From:Subject:Date:To; b=mw9xw88/FlIow+qeTOGnAKmGTC/frLdyJA+czvidoiU/BXp+3KTVcPTN/KqKB/jg1 FqAoQaKKpQp4p1qLSqjZZH1B4jvnbv45XEww2MmrNLQQk+/Mf+BNCiVVeJSwrRzNxn ar/4kIDieNiSF3s2LTyO2V1tk5ypI45JXxsC80F6ztNElp3Cbh8NLr3E3ceTdyR4DP qSldP2s0v1jFD2AfvXatYsbuMd4LmzBajIv0aKgV0BR6VXnuKZTdapJwYsyafAM+mO 6MLKwZG3stOY1ahto+wqa0QuF87iJioeH1S6f4FuXAiFfcJKrZeJPTt4tOaWix29yL ii2Z/1P5OJogA== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Honda car question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5010314078333207834== boundary=Apple-Mail-2798E315-927C-481A-8931-787A4EC4B74B Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-2798E315-927C-481A-8931-787A4EC4B74B charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An easy way to check the mounts is to put cat in drive & with t The emergency brake & foot brakes on floor it to see if the engine moves too= much. Try the same thing in reverse.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:19 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: OK, let me start by saying, I do NOT know what is causing this.=20 But that never stopped me from giving an opinion! 8>)=20 First, I would think of a motor/tranny mount. They are a pain to check for s= ince I have seen them 'look' fine when the engine isn't under load.=20 Next, balancing the tires was a good idea, but a quick check is to rotate th= em. (Fronts to rear, crossing sides.) Then a quick ride. Here is my think= ing on this...=20 When the car is accelerating, weight is lifted off the front tires. It is p= ossible that a misbalanced wheel could be exacerbated under these conditions= .=20 Next is the front wheel alinement. Same thinking as above, but rotating tir= es will not identify this as a problem. Check the tires for any uneven wear= .=20 Can you read the codes from the OBDCII? Do you have a lift? These are the n= ext two things I would dig into if I couldn't get anywhere with the above st= eps.=20 Make sure you post the answer once it's found, I know I want to know what it= turns out to be.=20 If you are near NJ, the Garage M'hal is always open for business for stoptal= kers (and their friends.)=20 This weekend's project here is getting the new compressor wired and installe= d. (Not a small feat.) So I'm here all weekend.=20 Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational be= ing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo E= merson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-2798E315-927C-481A-8931-787A4EC4B74B charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

An easy way to check the mounts is to put cat in drive & with t

The emergency brake & foot brakes on floor it to see if the engine moves too much. Try the same thing in reverse.

Peace,

Pat

Pat Horne

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On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:19 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, let me start by saying, I do NOT know what is causing this.

But that never stopped me from giving an opinion! 8>)

First, I would think of a motor/tranny mount. They are a pain to check for since I have seen them 'look' fine when the engine isn't under load.

Next, balancing the tires was a good idea, but a quick check is to rotate them. (Fronts to rear, crossing sides.) Then a quick ride. Here is my thinking on this...

When the car is accelerating, weight is lifted off the front tires. It is possible that a misbalanced wheel could be exacerbated under these conditions.

Next is the front wheel alinement. Same thinking as above, but rotating tires will not identify this as a problem. Check the tires for any uneven wear.

Can you read the codes from the OBDCII? Do you have a lift? These are the next two things I would dig into if I couldn't get anywhere with the above steps.

Make sure you post the answer once it's found, I know I want to know what it turns out to be.

If you are near NJ, the Garage M'hal is always open for business for stoptalkers (and their friends.)

This weekend's project here is getting the new compressor wired and installed. (Not a small feat.) So I'm here all weekend.

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Eric P
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On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:02 AM, John T. = Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>= wrote:

As soon as he quits accelerating the = ride smooths out. As long as he is hold
a constant speed everything if fine. But if he trys = to accelerate the vibration starts back up.

I = concur with the CV joint or other drivetrain issue. A motormount usually = clunks once on acceleration and then once on = deceleration.

However being a FWD car, there = are forces of drivetrain and wheel alignment that co-exist. So it could = be a loose alignment item that only hits the loose part at 50mph, like a = sail flapping in the wind as you steer into the wind. This really sounds = like a shop needs to look at it.

Does it = happen at 50mph in reverse? = :-)

jim

= --Apple-Mail=_DFF12394-37A9-40D0-B2B1-33E479A32CF6-- --===============5524644598930405262== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5524644598930405262==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 2 15:31:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E8C25891E7 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA0C2589925 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sat, 02 Jul 2016 14:07:08 -0700 id 000000000028001E.0000000057782CFC.0000692E To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6.2.5.6.1.20160702105458.04bc5790@cox.net> <9D9B73AC-7BCE-4A0B-A957-5C4B8483D9D0@groupwbench.org> From: John Miller Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:07:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Honda car question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > However being a FWD car, there are forces of drivetrain and wheel > alignment that co-exist. So it could be a loose alignment item that only > hits the loose part at 50mph, like a sail flapping in the wind as you > steer into the wind. This really sounds like a shop needs to look at it. Could be engine mount. Also something severely worn/broken in the steering and suspension that allows the wheels to move around when they're pulling forward on the suspension members, steering rack, tie rod ends, etc. Possibly a CV. Jhn. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 8 13:28:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E3925881F3 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D697F2587782 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:34:39 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:01:01 -0400 07/05/2016 20:00:50, Serialize complete at 07/05/2016 20:00:50 Subject: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1076222406146989424== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0003344285257FE8_= OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air compressor. It's totally amazing, BTW. But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the difference that well. Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. The new Polar is a little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air! Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) 8>) Here is a link... >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME< Overall, I love the Polar. Great company, great product. There were two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the overflow valve (easy fix.) The other was the automatic drain wasn't closing completely. I called them and the new one was in the mail a few hours later at no cost. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0003344285257FE8_= OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air compressor. It's totally amazing, BTW.

But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the difference that well.

Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. The new Polar is a little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air!

Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) 8>)

Here is a link...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME<

Overall, I love the Polar. Great company, great product. There were two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the overflow valve (easy fix.) The other was the automatic drain wasn't closing completely. I called them and the new one was in the mail a few hours later at no cost.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson --=_alternative 0003344285257FE8_=-- --===============1076222406146989424== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1076222406146989424==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 10 02:59:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9762587ED5 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 02:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01F125892F4 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD951697E4 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nSmZ97CWGrNG for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.76.137.45]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6CA6639963 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:51:07 +0000 (UTC) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:51:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6458808095360055396== boundary="------------B41CAE3D5791007EEC2B7FC9" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B41CAE3D5791007EEC2B7FC9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for posting. I'll be buying an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so, so this is timely. The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot better. On 7/5/2016 5:01 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air > compressor. It's totally amazing, BTW. > > But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. > Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the > difference that well. > > Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. The new Polar is a > little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air! > > Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) 8>) > > Here is a link... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME< > > Overall, I love the Polar. Great company, great product. There were > two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the > overflow valve (easy fix.) The other was the automatic drain wasn't > closing completely. I called them and the new one was in the mail a > few hours later at no cost. > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com > --------------B41CAE3D5791007EEC2B7FC9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for posting.� I'll be buying an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so,� so this is timely.� The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot better.�

On 7/5/2016 5:01 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air compressor. �It's totally amazing, BTW.

But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. �Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the difference that well.

Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. �The new Polar is a little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air!

Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) �8>)

Here is a link...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME<

Overall, I love the Polar. �Great company, great product. �There were two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the overflow valve (easy fix.) �The other was the automatic drain wasn't closing completely. �I called them and the new one was in the mail a few hours later at no cost.

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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--------------B41CAE3D5791007EEC2B7FC9-- --===============6458808095360055396== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6458808095360055396==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 11 01:16:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D826A2589EBD for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764AB258853F for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 04:04:40 -0600 (MDT) References: <2a6bd4ef-1f92-098b-650a-042a7e284347@frontier.com> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 05:30:42 -0400 07/10/2016 05:30:48, Serialize complete at 07/10/2016 05:30:48 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6396193786490042330== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00375C5085257FEC_= Don't forget I'm selling a used compressor for cheap (anyone here can send me a private offer way less than ebay). Here is the link... > http://www.ebay.com/itm/282089885836?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 < Free local shipping and installation! 8>) Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson From: Dave Cavanaugh To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Date: 07/10/2016 04:27 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Sent by: "Shop-talk" Thanks for posting. I'll be buying an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so, so this is timely. The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot better. On 7/5/2016 5:01 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air compressor. It's totally amazing, BTW. But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the difference that well. Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. The new Polar is a little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air! Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) 8>) Here is a link... >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME< Overall, I love the Polar. Great company, great product. There were two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the overflow valve (easy fix.) The other was the automatic drain wasn't closing completely. I called them and the new one was in the mail a few hours later at no cost. --=_alternative 00375C5085257FEC_= <shameless plug mode>
Don't forget I'm selling a used compressor for cheap (anyone here can send me a private offer way less than ebay).

Here is the link...

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/282089885836?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649<

Free local shipping and installation! 8>)

</shameless plug mode>

Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem.
Eric P
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson

From: Dave Cavanaugh <cavanadd@frontier.com>
To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net
Date: 07/10/2016 04:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise
Sent by: "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>

Thanks for posting. I'll be buying an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so, so this is timely. The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot better.

On 7/5/2016 5:01 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, so this past weekend I got to hooking up my new Eaton air compressor. It's totally amazing, BTW.

But one thing I did was to record it next to my old Delivbiss 6.5HP. Unfortunately, the camera's mic doesn't really showcase the difference that well.

Overall, the old compressor had a tinier sound. The new Polar is a little quieter, but it's also throw almost twice the air!

Check out the youtube video if you want. (don't get your hopes up.) 8>)

Here is a link...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWCGN-g6ME<

Overall, I love the Polar. Great company, great product. There were two issues with it when I got it. One was no thread sealer on the overflow valve (easy fix.) The other was the automatic drain wasn't closing completely. I called them and the new one was in the mail a few hours later at no cost.

--=_alternative 00375C5085257FEC_=-- --===============6396193786490042330== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6396193786490042330==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 11 03:33:56 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C972C2587AF3 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 03:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com (mail-io0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988102588CFE for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id s93so36409495ioi.3 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 05:23:12 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=EFU00IulV+t9wYZiREr6iKqRW36oBecUfQbEJzYKjCw=; b=TT8UJAy8GZwU0pif861JnELS97SxQ0TnjvDXI3HzLbePckO6lj7ujPkfhUhUfKXWKK niVWaNQClMh1/4THgo4LaKFt7O8yk5Gf0wnUZhJQqQ56QEND5cbJiztlUsPoySNdpWb6 t4nEibHQ9LJn3Ja/mn7dzj2jHvyC1lDmrREaioPZi5+EHLY1irzCo9Wl2S62uhQ0mYyw UGqtVAaGBJtTsqxtDwXvDzhVXdgPET1a0/V6G/hMImUSHpHT6xeg/zTb5FiG24IOL8LC q8lv9uVOosiXwDtn+Cdj4DY0yqBcqKCktO41ohzBPnuFTzYAtoDhRYVQVJaJdkLECK9+ GMFQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=EFU00IulV+t9wYZiREr6iKqRW36oBecUfQbEJzYKjCw=; b=eQCUgwuuB8tZn3xGCwqtXz2TIWudimZfVBZpBO6Xja6vOk8upNbyaskWHLRXABlMa6 zcEbukF+ezNWz5iI59OpXOoUyJISUX9PAeGpas/jciebJtAANq9BbULZ19X+Q/qzFKfI hzktnViT3CrhC4G9nbxXk6ztCKgYEIyBiD+P2crWyj9lTznL4+k1lBKzfs68V+PfYW2v TBOGg3/TYP9SdaBCa8+HebGHHVNmUzYOlTI1g1hb9aMs09+SYyXw2BzOywq2twEiY0MY HOnpeGR+1z6mdcwE8+0JfTqpqJS5cqbY4vJQut1r7lsfp0Q8khvWRJ0JfVCj0FUKhss5 N8qQ== Sun, 10 Jul 2016 05:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KarlIntel ([2601:243:1:5f94:9dd6:d7f4:7dd2:f233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d189sm7070128iod.3.2016.07.10.05.23.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Vacek To: References: <2a6bd4ef-1f92-098b-650a-042a7e284347@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:23:02 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJqfbcD6H6/iXFHKaiDu4KssMrTqwF5QW0LntSEj/A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4884544854891465216== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01D1DA7B.E4DDF8C0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01D1DA7B.E4DDF8C0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, thank you for the testimonial. I've had a similar, nearly-new condition DeVilbiss vertical air compressor sitting in my shop for about 15 years, but the pump was burned out when I got it. I've looked at Eaton and have come close to ordering an Eaton pump for my DeVilbiss, but I never met anyone who actually bought one. Karl From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cavanaugh Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air compressor vs. Delivbiss noise Thanks for posting. I'll be buying an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so, so this is timely. The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot better. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01D1DA7B.E4DDF8C0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, thank you for the testimonial. I’ve had a similar, = nearly-new condition DeVilbiss vertical air compressor sitting in my = shop for about 15 years, but the pump was burned out when I got = it. I’ve looked at Eaton and have come close to ordering an = Eaton pump for my DeVilbiss, but I never met anyone who actually bought = one.

Karl

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Cavanaugh
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton Polar air = compressor vs. Delivbiss noise

Thanks for posting. I'll be buying = an air compressor for my new shop in the next year or so, so this = is timely. The Polar looks like a nice setup and it sounds a lot = better.

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Curious if anyone uses the non-aerosol sprayers like this? https://www.amazon.com/Titan-= Tools-19424-Non-Aerosol-Sprayer/dp/B00KZ0VEGE

Been using alot of canned carb cleaner lately, and wondering if there is= a bulk solution that might be cheaper, last longer and a littler better fo= r the environment.

They sell Brakeclean in gallon jugs from CRC, but what about "carb = cleaner"? Do guys just use degreaser, or some other chemical tha= t works as well as carb cleaner?

Thanks

--_000_BN3PR15MB07391CE4B9445573F9AC408C9A300BN3PR15MB0739namp_-- --===============7713253521346478716== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7713253521346478716==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 13 06:53:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377E5258A04D for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com [17.172.220.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F245B2589F23 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:39:35 -0600 (MDT) st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OA701200YH15600@st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:39:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.67] (75-175-79-110.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.79.110]) by st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OA7019P6YP9BT30@st11p02im-asmtp001.me.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:39:11 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-07-12_09:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1607120190 From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:39:08 -0700 References: To: PJ McGarvey t=1468355952; bh=o6icKY2AyVh9HVYDOyeIkhfbhO8O4XlDBJ7LF7fR7lQ=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=IcExs1CD5SK8YZZclvbvsIgR4A7Pn1e823o28+wuOw/n6BUlLnZUAhoA2wJdga6E1 cQdSsiW9AtCDCfVm82YVFioSLFAOR21JklRDukNutn9ZthZgzrTDpC4nkW+XhsrDTc nOyckVa+TVmyO/BKp2c1fUFflvGj0d0lA1oKXysSae0qsE7v21Xbu05FCWRc/OARa1 pQeYYyII7R8TZsxkS/0WLOqawgftQtuBGUZbiNtoJNm+1/zCoteOOxBbIzi0hjSX1c aDym95gAaYVW8Uh0inzQ5eC7oofSf6koVXJq/69sc8qztkJryC+YkvpuYc8ZSaVNd6 bMMOQvKTASLgA== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-aerosol sprayer/carb cleaners Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3522704484505067946== boundary="Apple-Mail=_76D51B42-ECDD-4AE6-96EC-A24892B9AB67" --Apple-Mail=_76D51B42-ECDD-4AE6-96EC-A24892B9AB67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I use that sprayer with panel prep solvent, it works great. I=E2=80=99ve not seen carb cleaner in bulk, other than the kind meant to = soak parts in. Usually spray carb cleaner is pretty aggressive stuff, = it might eat the paint off of the sprayer. -Darrell > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:23 PM, PJ McGarvey = wrote: >=20 > Curious if anyone uses the non-aerosol sprayers like this? = https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Tools-19424-Non-Aerosol-Sprayer/dp/B00KZ0VEGE= = > Been using alot of canned carb cleaner lately, and wondering if there = is a bulk solution that might be cheaper, last longer and a littler = better for the environment. >=20 > They sell Brakeclean in gallon jugs from CRC, but what about "carb = cleaner"? Do guys just use degreaser, or some other chemical that works = as well as carb cleaner? >=20 > Thanks > PJ > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com = --Apple-Mail=_76D51B42-ECDD-4AE6-96EC-A24892B9AB67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

I use that sprayer with = panel prep solvent, it works great.

I=E2=80=99ve not seen carb cleaner in = bulk, other than the kind meant to soak parts in. Usually spray = carb cleaner is pretty aggressive stuff, it might eat the paint off of = the sprayer.

-Darrell

On = Jul 11, 2016, at 5:23 PM, PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com> wrote:

Curious if anyone uses the non-aerosol sprayers like = this? https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Tools-19424-Non-Aerosol-Sp= rayer/dp/B00KZ0VEGE

Been using alot of canned carb = cleaner lately, and wondering if there is a bulk solution that might be = cheaper, last longer and a littler better for the environment.

They sell Brakeclean in gallon jugs from CRC, but what about = "carb cleaner"? Do guys just use degreaser, or some other chemical = that works as well as carb cleaner?

Thanks
PJ
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Take the carb completely apart, and t= otally submerge for a couple of hours, then rinse with water and blow dry. = I get it as industrial strength as I can, which isn't much these days. Brian ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of PJ McGarvey= Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:23 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-aerosol sprayer/carb cleaners Curious if anyone uses the non-aerosol sprayers like this? https://www.amaz= on.com/Titan-Tools-19424-Non-Aerosol-Sprayer/dp/B00KZ0VEGE Been using alot of canned carb cleaner lately, and wondering if there is a = bulk solution that might be cheaper, last longer and a littler better for t= he environment. They sell Brakeclean in gallon jugs from CRC, but what about "carb cleaner"= ? Do guys just use degreaser, or some other chemical that works as well as= carb cleaner? Thanks PJ --_000_DM3PR20MB0619C87E09C9C9E054B3945EBB300DM3PR20MB0619namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I use a product similar to this, only in a 5 gal bucket.

https://www.amazon.com/Berryman-0996-= Chem-Dip-Carburetor-Cleaner/dp/B00DSMEL2A/ref=3Dsr_1_fkmr1_3?s=3Dautomotive= &ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1468356105&sr=3D1-3-fkmr1&keywords=3Dcrc&#= 43;carb+cleaner

Bulk liquid, with a basket for parts. Take the carb completely apart, an= d totally submerge for a couple of hours, then rinse with water and blow dr= y. I get it as industrial strength as I can, which isn't much these days.

Brian

From: Shop-talk <shop-t= alk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hot= mail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:23 PM
To: Shop Talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-aerosol sprayer/carb cleaners

Curious if anyone uses the non-aerosol sprayers like this? https://www.amazon.com/Titan-= Tools-19424-Non-Aerosol-Sprayer/dp/B00KZ0VEGE

Been using alot of canned carb cleaner lately, and wondering if there is= a bulk solution that might be cheaper, last longer and a littler better fo= r the environment.

They sell Brakeclean in gallon jugs from CRC, but what about "carb = cleaner"? Do guys just use degreaser, or some other chemical tha= t works as well as carb cleaner?

Thanks

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Presently I have a DSL modem supplied by a slow DSL line, but the modem includes WiFi. The location is relatively remote but better speeds are available from the local cable provider (Charter/Spectrum). The cable provider indicates WiFi capability is available for an additional $5/month, which seems high to me. What issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own WiFi-capable modem? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 19 03:28:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B262A2589175 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-5.talktalk.net (smtp-out-5.talktalk.net [62.24.135.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030072588676 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.151.83] ([62.255.147.66]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id PQUZbTiE0HGLwPQUabDZMH; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:35:06 +0100 t=1468917306; bh=w6+xmM8peTvrcyh/x+t8bn+ZfgdwwCiuDtwBG/0XMP4=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Date:To; b=CWoqyAboBO7T41hwjwGKsAxuDs5nwVgbxTv5xhHiCkE+KxlFzKI3dQ4J/vsgY+vgJ fEskI/+xOq7ETnfAFydb4XDIzNLokV3seLkip2AIn6XgrL6qNr4kfNlTLUUKJrjYwa mm8a6zJg6/WXr61uQBx0MvjEMR5KXsKWd924sMyQ= a=ufMkkxa5tz9eRReTiNqhaA==:17 a=g8EB0Y9AAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=Q4jLIxZs91URq9lj8rgA:9 a=v40_PXzGP4HNmitJ:21 a=fFcHn-Gpni4ctHLP:21 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7kg3CGmh7tLnvXnUNiMA:9 a=WMwBGIHXyurb1-Kl:21 a=4Hud_gV4BAsCUjOU:21 a=tRJrQujoXcgfCJWQ:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=_Rq7VMSDPF1PHoZxt4bx:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=wQf5WvvPLwzY6UdiLRIz:22 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <9E09266D-DEAB-42AE-BD14-547E58E598CE@snet.net> From: Neil Sherry Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:35:03 +0100 To: Jim Juhas ,shop-talk@autox.team.net DiJZhP60GW1/HTusiWK8/NufqFUcqEKIlbSQYRDMFA9ciLZ0FNt+G0/2pc2HQb87ueeFF/Kk3p2aKwtyldpb0Dnd7WnfE3uslxyPZaT+Gbb3tp2mJTCh2GcN Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1972915109966196659== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------NROTQJYJUEANSX24X435YKTXHCJWG6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit charset=UTF-8 5USD a month is a rip-off - in this day and age wireless should be standard - here in the uk it has been for 10 years. Some routers can be used just as access points - assuming the old router has LAN ports, disable DHCP on the old wireless router, assign an IP address to it that is consistent with the numbering of new router (and does not conflict) and just connect one of the LAN ports of the old router to one on the new router. Worst case, if that doesn't work, just buy a separate wireless router/access point On 19 July 2016 00:00:32 BST, Jim Juhas wrote: >This is shop related because I'm looking to provide connectivity to my >new barn. Presently I have a DSL modem supplied by a slow DSL line, >but the modem includes WiFi. The location is relatively remote but >better speeds are available from the local cable provider >(Charter/Spectrum). The cable provider indicates WiFi capability is >available for an additional $5/month, which seems high to me. What >issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own >WiFi-capable modem? >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ------NROTQJYJUEANSX24X435YKTXHCJWG6 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 5USD a month is a rip-off - in this day and age wireless should be standard - here in the uk it has been for 10 years.
Some routers can be used just as access points - assuming the old router has LAN ports, disable DHCP on the old wireless router, assign an IP address to it that is consistent with the numbering of new router (and does not conflict) and just connect one of the LAN ports of the old router to one on the new router. Worst case, if that doesn't work, just buy a separate wireless router/access point

On 19 July 2016 00:00:32 BST, Jim Juhas <james.f.juhas@snet.net> wrote:

This is shop related because I'm looking to provide connectivity to my new barn.  Presently I have a DSL modem supplied by a slow DSL line, but the modem includes WiFi.  The location is relatively remote but better speeds are available from the local cable provider (Charter/Spectrum).  The cable provider indicates WiFi capability is available for an additional $5/month, which seems high to me.  What issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own WiFi-capable modem?
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I have Charter as my ISP, and have used my own separate cable modem and wireless router for years. I've saved enough money to have paid for them several times over... especially since my wireless was a refurbished unit for $20. (Modem was also refurbished, and around $60 when a new version was over $100.) Just make sure your modem is DOCSIS compliant and you should be fine. It likely will be, but you can call Charter to make sure the particular one you are thinking of using will be compatible. I believe DOCSIS 3.1 is the current standard, but mine is 3.0 and still works well enough (and fast enough) for me. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 19 08:01:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436A7258916E for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC4S44.hotmail.com (snt004-omc4s44.hotmail.com [65.54.51.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8DF258904F for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.199]) by SNT004-OMC4S44.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:05:42 -0700 s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=5avdBawLNn+Fr8/D5S4w6zXicZIPXFBTMVZXiudIq7g=; b=FiebkgNV/xd3znMo7Xn01hSndeUvs28Ljpe0KRy5bgH7C28RNOskpACuYcOAmr+RWoJGZEwk02XLAJJ2MPPZPrY6CtJylsUlXAWKND44zria08dXd77VgPnC/IJugx4c24zLTkJ2X+85c8GibY1OHgLtycYk5t5rvJj/+76Yyzd3JcSbw0BdSWlJSLNV4oh86yFWL7SLp2NOMB0K7ilADTg09Z5yS70DVCWrIBCeBQh+/ChHLT1ksBBQ0PZnee2zFwxghweRR3VyKEJUiCKqJDzUASvIWi7bFWeSArvgeEO3Qyu14Ci/dlMaedgHXTyzc0D+OOdmCGkPpAWg/a8pFw== Received: from BY2NAM01FT011.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.68.59) by BY2NAM01HT157.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.68.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.539.16; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:05:41 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.68.59) by BY2NAM01FT011.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.69.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.539.16 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:05:41 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.24]) by DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0549.003; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:05:40 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Router question Thread-Index: AQHR4XDcKKDaLtXmPkSVkPjL9w6DYKAfn6EAgAAYhWo= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:05:40 +0000 References: <9E09266D-DEAB-42AE-BD14-547E58E598CE@snet.net>, Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.68.59) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 10.152.68.59 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [GobmDJDp3DkoE3aeEa6b1LDTW0H4PX3J] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:10.152.68.59; IPV:NLI; CTRY:; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2NAM01HT157; H:DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 358d5639-3e9d-496f-284e-08d3afd56298 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(5061506196)(5061507196)(1603103041)(1603101184)(1601125047); SRVR:BY2NAM01HT157; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BY2NAM01HT157; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2NAM01HT157; x-forefront-prvs: 000800954F FILETIME=[4174E230:01D1E1BE] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4447045907447290037== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM3PR13MB05382A45E9F1E017CC645F5EB4370DM3PR13MB0538namp_" --_000_DM3PR13MB05382A45E9F1E017CC645F5EB4370DM3PR13MB0538namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If and when you provide your own modem/charter for use with your charter IS= P, be damn certain to keep track of your proof of all of this, included any= and all conversations/correspondence with charter and your receipt(s) if y= ou buy your own equipment. I had been using my own router/modem for years when all of a sudden charter= sends me a bill for X amount of money for modem/router rental over the pas= t X number of months/years. Needless to say I was irate. I did get it sorte= d out but it took several phone calls and a lot of time. I'd switch ISPs bu= t have no other options except through my satellite and that is not a viabl= e option for us. I don't even have phone lines in my house any more...not t= hat I'd want to go backwards to DSL. I hope no one else has to go through this. tim ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Jeff Scarbr= ough Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:32 AM To: Jim Juhas Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Jim Juhas wrote: > What issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own WiFi-cap= able modem? I have Charter as my ISP, and have used my own separate cable modem and wireless router for years. I've saved enough money to have paid for them several times over... especially since my wireless was a refurbished unit for $20. (Modem was also refurbished, and around $60 when a new version was over $100.) Just make sure your modem is DOCSIS compliant and you should be fine. It likely will be, but you can call Charter to make sure the particular one you are thinking of using will be compatible. I believe DOCSIS 3.1 is the current standard, but mine is 3.0 and still works well enough (and fast enough) for me. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ --_000_DM3PR13MB05382A45E9F1E017CC645F5EB4370DM3PR13MB0538namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If and when you provide your own modem/charter for use with your charter= ISP, be damn certain to keep track of your proof of all of this, included = any and all conversations/correspondence with charter and your receipt(s) i= f you buy your own equipment.

I had been using my own router/modem for years when all of a sudden char= ter sends me a bill for X amount of money for modem/router rental over the = past X number of months/years. Needless to say I was irate. I did get it so= rted out but it took several phone calls and a lot of time. I'd switch ISPs but have no other options except = through my satellite and that is not a viable option for us. I don't even h= ave phone lines in my house any more...not that I'd want to go backwards to= DSL.

I hope no one else has to go through this.

tim

From: Shop-talk <shop-= talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@= gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:32 AM
To: Jim Juhas
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Jim Juhas <jam= es.f.juhas@snet.net> wrote:
> What issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own WiFi-= capable modem?

I have Charter as my ISP, and have used my own separate cable modem
and wireless router for years. I've saved enough money to have paid for them several times over... especially since my wireless was a
refurbished unit for $20. (Modem was also refurbished, and around $60=
when a new version was over $100.)

Just make sure your modem is DOCSIS compliant and you should be fine.
It likely will be, but you can call Charter to make sure the
particular one you are thinking of using will be compatible. I
believe DOCSIS 3.1 is the current standard, but mine is 3.0 and still
works well enough (and fast enough) for me.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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--_000_DM3PR13MB05382A45E9F1E017CC645F5EB4370DM3PR13MB0538namp_-- --===============4447045907447290037== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4447045907447290037==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 19 08:18:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3EE2586FDB for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it0-f48.google.com (mail-it0-f48.google.com [209.85.214.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760A8258905E for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it0-f48.google.com with SMTP id f6so90885220ith.1 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yCSqKfV4+5DIKSBAvqFqrs33yjpjhiID4hVDh/E+o/I=; b=hF3aNBQifjnUvmGIiO9DHWmXq+W8SkVqrBz99/63k2oz8H9M79N3xOJbk8I3It1apW Kd1rWwmdOTRC2pnGxQxC2vNlOVA+bH7DnWKB02XcK5r/+Xn2D2H5MrV3w9b2HCfTIuZT vG7ujbbQxkbPxlDaBkANVWO2/eZF9CmZCYLRY3jp5/VRIw0cUSP5EASxe2eMukMykV+q XheMKq9QnyoI1aaGMbeZzeH4/I1xwWDu/EmgJohGIcewfM+h/NITztZEAxiMyzbvIbAp mgOD9g2tyEE0PK3GheFYdtiIDDZoag0yhyksrx0KIqCiYd/lAOKguhujCGHq3gztDUYf Lm0Q== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yCSqKfV4+5DIKSBAvqFqrs33yjpjhiID4hVDh/E+o/I=; b=NJCP4ursTdoFrPVYUSe+c1AFGbGpkssIuBBwQnkfU7+CQTLO6qRnilc4qFjkzZ4Jtr P76MLm4xII3iPsfvSLlLKAe1aiSjF3duvyJqk0guGW/TGtBxzJtjIGN+ihvEv086TbEI TATwtpmo0h6WPkKt+j2e6UU+hF10seFoWiSLORAOcZMsgoxeDaVqNgCsRWQDqt1GqTch QIl/TNA4Z5oWOjWf8RKSBoA6vROXzWw/DiFsT0pcl7Bi2EldCClT+lDDoTf8Mj2YEjWP KQkJPYZgtaiTjlOm2Std9S3j6Vq49zcKQx+oH760CPFNyamVIE0vnOSviqQRa+nMlW0Z FlZA== Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-24-12-248-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [24.12.248.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t35sm10835792ioi.7.2016.07.19.06.08.50 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:08:49 -0500 References: <9E09266D-DEAB-42AE-BD14-547E58E598CE@snet.net> To: Jim Juhas Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On Jul 18, 2016, at 18:00, Jim Juhas wrote: > > This is shop related because I'm looking to provide connectivity to my new barn. Presently I have a DSL modem supplied by a slow DSL line, but the modem includes WiFi. The location is relatively remote but better speeds are available from the local cable provider (Charter/Spectrum). The cable provider indicates WiFi capability is available for an additional $5/month, which seems high to me. What issues do I have by simply adding (or substituting?) my own WiFi-capable modem? > Sent from my iPhone > _ Get seperate devices for wifi and cable modem. Consumer grade wifi devices are garbage, and fail frequently. Having them separate makes it easier to replace them, or upgrade rhem. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 19 10:38:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA582588F79 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18692586056 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AMIPC (pool-68-133-33-23.bflony.fios.verizon.net [68.133.33.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06F7FF1E91; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Tim .'" , References: <9E09266D-DEAB-42AE-BD14-547E58E598CE@snet.net>, Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:33:48 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHR4XNVP8ckeazz6EuRq3Uy06ksj6Afn5wAgAAZ/ACAABeksA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3777237109680921759== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1E1A9.09347350" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1E1A9.09347350 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Look at the Ubiquiti Networks line of products. Great stuff. It is pretty much all we use now in our business. We are in the computer services business. Great range. Lots of sight to sight stuff. Good products. Tony Vaccaro ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1E1A9.09347350 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Look at the = U= biquiti Networks line of products. Great stuff. It is pretty much all we = use now in our business. We are in the computer services = business.

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G= reat range. Lots of sight to sight stuff.

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1E1A9.09347350-- --===============3777237109680921759== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3777237109680921759==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 19 15:28:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033EE2588F5B for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from seamless.hostnac.com (seamless.hostnac.com [199.189.253.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36652589200 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 198-84-170-187.cpe.teksavvy.com ([198.84.170.187]:48643 helo=johnpc.localnet) by seamless.hostnac.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bPZUt-0008Sn-2N for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:11:59 -0400 From: "John P. New" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:11:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (Linux/4.1.20-11-default; KDE/4.14.18; x86_64; ; ) References: <9E09266D-DEAB-42AE-BD14-547E58E598CE@snet.net> <000601d1e1ca$9044dad0$b0ce9070$@lotusowners.com> please include it with any abuse report jnew@hazelden.ca Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Router question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second the positive feedback for Ubiquiti Networks products. I have deployed 3 Ubiquiti WiFi access points in my house/shop and they work well. I have two hard-wired in the house; the 3rd is in the shop (about 100 feet from the house), connected wirelessly to one of the hard-wired units in the house, so there was no need to run a wire from the main house to the shop to get WiFi out there. And the best part is that they are POI (Power over Ethernet) so you only have to run an ethernet cable from your home router/switch to each unit (or to an electrical outlet if connected wirelessly); a POI adapter comes with every access point. The ones I use are the Long Range version here: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lr/ I got mine from http://www.bhphotovideo.com (NFI) for US$99.00 each (shipping included to Canada!) which is the best price I could find. The software that ties everything together is a free download from Ubiquiti's site. From the dashboard you setup the whole network and can monitor all the client connections and device status. The only downside is that to get the most out of an Ubiquiti setup you should have a server that runs 24/7 that will gather stats and run guest portals, etc. A great write up on the system and software can be found here http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/review-ubiquiti-unifi-made-me-realize-how-terrible-consumer-wi-fi-gear-is/ I also understand they have come out with a version directed at home users. See http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/ubiquiti-aims-squarely-at-home-networking-with-new-amplifi-802-11ac-gear/ and https://www.amplifi.com/ . The B&H Photo site mentioned above has the system available for purchase. John P. New London, Ontario, Canada On July 19, 2016 10:33:48 AM Tony Vaccaro wrote: > Look at the Ubiquiti Networks line of products. Great stuff. It is pretty > much all we use now in our business. We are in the computer services > business. > > > > Great range. Lots of sight to sight stuff. > > > > Good products. > > > > Tony Vaccaro > > > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 23 22:24:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD47F2585FE9 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S12.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s12.hotmail.com [65.55.90.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EA3258894A for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 05:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.90.73]) by SNT004-OMC2S12.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:21:23 -0700 s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=r1bc7czdy47cdvRroTjBwlSZhXAXzlk3ltDq5rZ/7Gk=; b=vEZAEyrEIKk3RUPwjENzvflE1sHV3dQJfPm+XfFeF9Bix4TJZ6lGcsODBsX544qEWWXK0mwUe5ySIW7dJ4FqmtyN8FjHPIt2Rx3W6UmIyuwcpJ3augkZncRkpeJ1OZ3RKJtSL0QKOY+iRvLubhGjs9cC6KLWWcbDFRk/aNcZtXAuCrEvs4+jXFDXtgWhVsrmtVrkrMD92rJJH4/m5KbNiH1cpYlphXmwYpvNRWeTBhdVteeU9VXepwuunZefx809TQbtKvXzpLR4nWojagbPkPP3I/BGC0Tf4U5nFsPze289qTMY7psl0vkucN6v1iGbvORxLwl07IiHmnlu6KdIhw== Received: from CY1NAM02FT050.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.74.55) by CY1NAM02HT155.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.75.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.539.16; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:21:23 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.152.74.57) by CY1NAM02FT050.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.75.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.549.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:21:22 +0000 Received: from DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.24]) by DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.8.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0549.003; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:21:21 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: sticky mess removal Thread-Index: AQHR5Aqc+PdjBU5YJky+ZeAOLqiTfA== Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:21:21 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.74.57) header.d=none; autox.team.net; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=outlook.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning outlook.com discourages use of 10.152.74.57 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [1OrkUm9+UGQLuRMPd4GuT4tMKw8vlwl6] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:10.152.74.57; IPV:NLI; CTRY:; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1NAM02HT155; H:DM3PR13MB0538.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1NAM02HT155; 7:XJUZXOwlJpHbu5jKhJSkYpijdXXqWafv3lig2ybVQbOC7XgX8Tz6A7dK+yMxBUTXeXVtdPIySn/Nxft7WcIu7LZNzazMnyBsA7Z3DELwKo+mqeu6DnnFpVVPB9m/DQgrh3zMS0csVN9DF4sSJqM+a6Jr3IUSLgfkyBhhOaXHj0xOJNShuqKXAdoLefgD06PKiryZ3Z05/tRkadNBLGg6/I4CBnIASaZCuG/l0X8iWiTIJYJV30GX4+XBMWKG6U7g x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 55e25b70-48c3-4b51-56d0-08d3b2224efa x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(5061506196)(5061507196)(1603103041)(1603101187)(1601125047); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT155; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT155; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1NAM02HT155; x-forefront-prvs: 0011612A55 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[2E0B22F0:01D1E40B] Subject: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2854652632211403610== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_DM3PR13MB05384A167250FA2C4F57AAC4B40A0DM3PR13MB0538namp_" --_000_DM3PR13MB05384A167250FA2C4F57AAC4B40A0DM3PR13MB0538namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to salvage/restore. I = removed a layer of what I think was electrical tape, then two layers of wha= t appeared to be medical tape (the stuff that is reinforced with thread/str= ing) then another layer of the electrical tape stuff. What I found was a st= eering wheel with no cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess= . I tried acetone and while it started to cut the sticky it really didn't g= et rid of it all the way. I also really don't want to take the chance of da= maging the material that the wheel is made of. Thoughts please on what might work safely? Thanks tim --_000_DM3PR13MB05384A167250FA2C4F57AAC4B40A0DM3PR13MB0538namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to salvage/restore.= I removed a layer of what I think was electrical tape, then two layer= s of what appeared to be medical tape (the stuff that is reinforced with th= read/string) then another layer of the electrical tape stuff. What I found was a steering wheel with no cracks (s= weet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess. I tried acetone and while it= started to cut the sticky it really didn't get rid of it all the way. I al= so really don't want to take the chance of damaging the material that the wheel is made of.

Thoughts please on what might work safely?

Thanks

tim

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Thoughts please on what might work safely?

Thanks

tim

--_000_DM3PR13MB0538D1431E28184C4DE63C68B40B0DM3PR13MB0538namp_-- --===============3937439192852843016== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3937439192852843016==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 24 07:14:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6695A25887F0 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0E52587E6C for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:43:10 -0600 (MDT) bh=LhLJUKMQHjkO8QZaNJ0BOy1SgvwCkC5+NjRPQBJTXoY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject; b=gxSOspanHZFTc2ENEi7Z/GKLEgA85mO5158Vp2IboiGf61GOcSI3RkG8WLRF9VSU4 C8QP6zyu8TW2iM8PovAX2QM+jWC0GiMjwaTRGziBKe4KzI7xTOViRM1S7/seRdZeoD vo9uhIQrvGcKF+LRMeK71C6oe1zOttLcQ1fHZb23p5qY/jY3XFmQ20rhRQGK0kWjBZ 2Dh5oXLVnY0HTt3+jn1ILSEI0gKlTE3E2r47WX1PaxDSsJaDRE30Mk8lq8WIsy6jNg /GqBc+HWTnUGlTAXgKZpqgzuLl7ZSCILJ+Hq0CK6ncnd64/WIAYJm4dzC752cT+4gI qnOFVXiUXNdeA== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=strovato; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:117 a=jTihidCUsOtGAzglZBXHMA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aO4m94R_Xv1eR0-Lyr8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: from [74.90.183.198] ([74.90.183.198:49092] helo=Steve-PC.optonline.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 33/6B-32677-35744975; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:42:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:42:27 -0400 To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk From: Steven Trovato Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I find that WD-40 is actually pretty good as an adhesive remover. When the adhesive is gone, you will have to do some additional washing to get rid of the WD-40, but soap and water should take care of that. -Steve At 07:21 AM 7/22/2016, Tim . wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_DM3PR13MB05384A167250FA2C4F57AAC4B40A0DM3PR13MB0538namp_" > >I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to >salvage/restore. I removed a layer of what I think was electrical >tape, then two layers of what appeared to be medical tape (the stuff >that is reinforced with thread/string) then another layer of the >electrical tape stuff. What I found was a steering wheel with no >cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess. I tried >acetone and while it started to cut the sticky it really didn't get >rid of it all the way. I also really don't want to take the chance >of damaging the material that the wheel is made of. > > >Thoughts please on what might work safely? > >Thanks > >tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 24 07:33:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905FC25886CC for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621AC2587EDD for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:53:17 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EgjZiOZ/z0KC+jz46fp3qIK+3Q3wgW7gm4FktJMK2qFVA6x3pCZDbQUREtgr6Izj; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.206.134.30] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bRBPe-00009b-Fh; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:53:14 -0400 To: "Tim ." , Shop Talk References: From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:52:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2382813737198264401== boundary="------------C4450C1319C0468B54F47B85" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C4450C1319C0468B54F47B85 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had good luck with Gojo hand cleaner cleaning adhesive goo off rubber trim. Since it is designed to clean your hands and be safe on skin, I would guess it will be safe for the wheel. Brian On 7/22/2016 4:21 AM, Tim . wrote: > > I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to > salvage/restore. I removed a layer of what I think was electrical > tape, then two layers of what appeared to be medical tape (the stuff > that is reinforced with thread/string) then another layer of the > electrical tape stuff. What I found was a steering wheel with no > cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess. I tried > acetone and while it started to cut the sticky it really didn't get > rid of it all the way. I also really don't want to take the chance of > damaging the material that the wheel is made of. > > > Thoughts please on what might work safely? > > Thanks > > tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net > --------------C4450C1319C0468B54F47B85 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had good luck with Gojo hand cleaner cleaning adhesive goo off rubber trim.� Since it is designed to clean your hands and be safe on skin, I would guess it will be safe for the wheel.

Brian

On 7/22/2016 4:21 AM, Tim . wrote:

I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to salvage/restore.�I removed a layer of what I think was electrical tape, then two layers of what appeared to be medical tape (the stuff that is reinforced with thread/string) then another layer of the electrical tape stuff. What I found was a steering wheel with no cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess. I tried acetone and while it started to cut the sticky it really didn't get rid of it all the way. I also really don't want to take the chance of damaging the material that the wheel is made of.�

Thoughts please on what might work safely?�

Thanks

tim
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--------------C4450C1319C0468B54F47B85-- --===============2382813737198264401== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2382813737198264401==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 24 09:00:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901762587886 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 09:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8A25885C1 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 05:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id RI24bomuw84vjRI2RbC32l; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:57:43 +0000 s=q20140121; t=1469361463; bh=1NgX0e6qdcC4ipWuZNm5tNWTsoKcEMILoIsUlgQywc0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LLJyP0hn59+jB38ss2D/J7fxl7d1ATXE3lva1xdku29hZlvACy+Cky8M/3j0lzBQ6 Goa6luEJjrYcLIszEbUoH14gFnXshNfZzd77WdOJYm6a+tfr6qnekJJaOHupnzBGcl B9mTxjFDknnoi3c7Suq0nhcdU65/dTHG8TiJn/yQVT9CU7FCTS45mwkY0Ez1YxIH+G UTsy7rCZBGKf4rdWlliB7pkp8Sg3wnO1hnN+wFua08saX7uUweWfXmVbeJN//mgqwY v79PMvKfMKXLb2uzavUUGLY1/Qpr+4uL1L7hfFE8edK689RskD3dcSaE9BUv/rfSte 5C0MWnMXJDU6g== Received: from HankWatsonHP ([71.63.127.45]) by comcast with SMTP id RI2QbwBXJn5jaRI2RbRV73; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:57:43 +0000 From: "Mark Watson" To: "Shop Talk" References: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:57:36 -0400 Importance: Normal 0iCBrFmxR8EP0PtFktqF9LP5LvfrWnksS0TJNaK77q5UC9wIN4Oc+LQPIcn4VdTZz/ThR/devfPsdQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6817671370843035593== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01D1E581.0ADC32C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01D1E581.0ADC32C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, Goo-Gone? :http://googone.com/Home According to their web-site it=E2=80=99ll even get rid of in-laws = and bad music. I never thought of using it for those . . . Mark From: Tim .=20 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:59 PM To: Shop Talk=20 Subject: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to salvage/restore. = I removed a layer of what I think was electrical tape, then two layers = of what appeared to be medical tape (the stuff that is reinforced with = thread/string) then another layer of the electrical tape stuff. What I = found was a steering wheel with no cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in = a sticky ass mess. I tried acetone and while it started to cut the = sticky it really didn't get rid of it all the way. I also really don't = want to take the chance of damaging the material that the wheel is made = of.=20 Thoughts please on what might work safely?=20 Thanks tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01D1E581.0ADC32C0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tim,

Goo-Gone? :http://googone.com/Home

According to their web-site = it=E2=80=99ll even=20 get rid of in-laws and bad music. I never thought of using it for = those .=20 . .

Mark

From: Tim .

Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:59 PM

To: Shop Talk

Subject: [Shop-talk] sticky mess removal

I have a steering wheel from the mid 60s that I want to = salvage/restore. I=20 removed a layer of what I think was electrical tape, then two layers of = what=20 appeared to be medical tape (the stuff that is reinforced with = thread/string)=20 then another layer of the electrical tape stuff. What I found was a = steering=20 wheel with no cracks (sweet!) but now is coated in a sticky ass mess. I = tried=20 acetone and while it started to cut the sticky it really didn't get rid = of it=20 all the way. I also really don't want to take the chance of damaging the = material that the wheel is made of.

Thoughts please on what might work safely?

Thanks

tim