Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] falling headliner fix?

From: John Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:42:25 -0700

> I have battled this several times and have come to the conclusion that
> there is no adequate substitute for pulling out the headliner and
> recovering.

Yeah, either the glue fails or the backing deteriorates with the glue. 
In either case, you've got little crumbs of stuff rattling around in there.

The answer depends on the acceptable level of ghetto.

The only way you're going to get it to look 'right', if that matters, is 
to remove it from the car and redo the whole thing.  That means removing 
all the fabric, cleaning off all the crumbly stuff, you may need new 
fabric, etc.

Neighbor had one done locally (SF Peninsula) for I think $125 a few 
months back.

Bear in mind that body style (wagons/hatchbacks easy, many sedans/coupes 
will require removing the rear window) and features (how is it 
finished/retained around the sunroof opening, how many roof-mounted 
lights/vents/video displays/etc. are there) will drive the R&R difficulty.

If what you're looking for is 'keep this thing off my hair until I can 
scrap the car' I've seen a car where the owner slit the headliner across 
the car and cleaned out enough cruft to get some glue up there that 
seemed to hold well enough and I've seen one car where the owner went at 
it with some heavy fishing line and one of those long curved 
turkey-sewing needles.  Both were functional, neither was an aesthetic 
success.

Nothing you can just push in from the bottom will hold, it'll just pull 
out of the fiber backing.  Maybe one of those big plastic threaded 
drywall-screw inserts if you cut off the projecting tip and start a 
hole...but I'd guess trying to put a screw in it will strip it out of 
the backing in a hurry.

John.

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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:39:54 -0400

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:42 AM, John Miller <[email-masked]> wrote:
> maybe one of those big plastic threaded drywall-screw inserts if you cut off
> the projecting tip and start a hole...

I had visions of the roof of the car looking like a porcupine...then I
saw the word "insert"...

-- Jeff

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:44:03 -0500

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Your flaps should sell a "Help!" Brand headliner tack. It's basically a thum=
btack with a very large head.  Ugly but they work and are cheap.=20

> On Apr 19, 2016, at 07:08, Matt <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Phil,
> I will be happy but surprised if anyone reveals a quick and cheap fix.
> I have battled this several times and have come to the conclusion that the=
re is no adequate substitute for pulling out the headliner and recovering.
> When the foam backing on the original material fails, it gets dusty and si=
mply defies any attempt to re glue.
> =20
> Shop around, I eventually found a shop (albiet a few years ago) that did a=
 great job for $75.
> Depending on the car, the shell may not be that hard to remove yourself an=
d you could either buy the fabric and recover yourself or take it to the int=
erior shop and have them do it and you could reinstall.
> =20
> Good Luck!
> =20
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> =20
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
> To: Shop-Talk <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [Shop-talk] falling headliner fix?
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:40:50 -0500
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> My MOL has a Saturn with a falling headliner.  What's the fix for this?
> =20
> I'd love to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40 tha=
t a guy could poke through little holes in the liner.
> =20
> What's out there to buy?  I will cut bigger holes if I have to.  It's not a=
 concours car.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Your flaps should sell a "H=
elp!" Brand headliner tack. It's basically a thumbtack with a very large hea=
d. &nbsp;Ugly but they work and are cheap.&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Apr 19, 20=
16, at 07:08, Matt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Phil,</div>
<div>I will be happy but surprised if anyone reveals a quick and cheap fix.<=
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<div>I have battled this several times and have come to the conclusion that t=
here is no adequate substitute for pulling out the headliner and recovering.=
</div>
<div>When the foam backing on the original material fails, it gets dusty and=
 simply defies any attempt to re glue.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Shop around, I eventually found a shop (albiet a few years ago) that di=
d a great job for $75.</div>
<div>Depending on the car, the shell may not be that hard to remove yourself=
 and you could either buy the fabric and recover yourself or take it to the i=
nterior shop and have them do it and you could reinstall.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Good Luck!</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My MOL has a Saturn with a falling headliner.&nbsp; What's t=
he fix for this?
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<div>I'd love to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40 t=
hat a guy could poke through little holes in the liner.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>What's out there to buy?&nbsp; I will cut bigger holes if I have to.&nb=
sp; It's not a concours car.<br clear=3D"all">
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