Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus

From: RandE <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:49:50 -0500

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Has anything been installed recently?  Hardware, software, Windows update,
etc.?

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Peter J. Thomas <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:
>
> this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of death=E2=80=
=99!!   Gives me
> the screen... does the dump and reboots...
>
> upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a boo-boo=E2=80=99  box with t=
he following
> information
>
> Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system or
> virus, etc.  I believe you have Windows 7.  Best advice is to boot into
> safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.
>
> If it is Win 7 consider updating to Win 10.
>
>
> *Problem signature:*
> *  Problem Event Name:    BlueScreen*
> *  OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48*
> *  Locale ID:    1033*
>
> *Additional information about the problem:*
> *  BCCode:    19*
> *  BCP1:    0000000000000020*
> *  BCP2:    FFFFFA800602A590*
> *  BCP3:    FFFFFA800602A5B0*
> *  BCP4:    0000000004020008*
> *  OS Version:    6_1_7601*
> *  Service Pack:    1_0*
> *  Product:    256_1*
>
> *Files that help describe the problem:*
> *  C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp*
> *  C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml*
>
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> of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally get it
> to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if someone wants =
to
> look at it
> I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with
> mainframes and cobol...  this don=E2=80=99t look like those !
>
> any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what=E2=80=99s bl=
owing up
> my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some guidance...  I can email yo=
u
> the dump if it helps
>
> thanks
> John
> (shop content... I use my computer to order tools and =E2=80=98stuff=E2=
=80=99 for my shop )
>
>
>
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Has anything been installed recently?=C2=A0 Hardware, software, Windows upd=
ate, etc.?<br><br>On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Peter J. Thomas &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div>On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#0=
00000">
          <div>this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of
            death=E2=80=99!!=C2=A0=C2=A0 Gives me the screen... does the du=
mp and
            reboots...</div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a boo-boo=E2=80=
=99=C2=A0 box with
            the following information</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file
    system or virus, etc.=C2=A0 I believe you have Windows 7.=C2=A0 Best ad=
vice is
    to boot into safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.<br>
    <br>
    If it is Win 7 consider updating to Win 10.<br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#0=
00000">
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div><em>Problem signature:</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 Problem Event Name:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BlueScreen<=
/em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 OS Version:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.=
48</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 Locale ID:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1033</em></div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div><em>Additional information about the problem:</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 BCCode:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 19</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 BCP1:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0000000000000020</em></di=
v>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 BCP2:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FFFFFA800602A590</em></di=
v>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 BCP3:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FFFFFA800602A5B0</em></di=
v>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 BCP4:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0000000004020008</em></di=
v>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 OS Version:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6_1_7601</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 Service Pack:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1_0</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 Product:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 256_1</em></div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div><em>Files that help describe the problem:</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp</em></div=
          <div><em>=C2=A0
              C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml</em>=
</div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div><em>Read our privacy statement online:</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 </em><a href=3D"http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?l=
inkid=3D104288&amp;clcid=3D0x0409" target=3D"_blank"><em>http://go.microsof=
t.com/fwlink/?linkid=3D104288&amp;clcid=3D0x0409</em></a></div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div><em>If the online privacy statement is not available,
              please read our privacy statement offline:</em></div>
          <div><em>=C2=A0 C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt</em></div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 I
            did finally get it to allow me to print out the minidump and
            have it saved if someone wants to look at it</div>
          <div>I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30
            years ago with mainframes and cobol...=C2=A0 this don=E2=80=99t=
 look like
            those !=C2=A0 </div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea
            what=E2=80=99s blowing up my pc ???=C2=A0=C2=A0 I would certain=
ly appreciate
            some guidance...=C2=A0 I can email you the dump if it helps</di=
v>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>thanks</div>
          <div>John</div>
          <div>(shop content... I use my computer to order tools and
            =E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99 for my shop )</div>
          <div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
          <div>=C2=A0</div>
        </div>
      </div>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:57:12 -0500

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I'd try removing half the memory and run for a week. If it doesn't crash, ad=
d some memory back. If it still crashes swap out the memory for what was rem=
oved.=20

I'm not a fan of running the latest os, unless I was running vista.=20

You might also set up another user and see if it crashes.=20
Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity

On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:10 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
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should I be comfortable with Win 10...   if it=E2=80=99s hardware it should f=
ollow me right ??
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I'd try removing half the memory and r=
un for a week. If it doesn't crash, add some memory back. If it still crashe=
s swap out the memory for what was removed.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailS=
ignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">I'm not a fan of running t=
he latest os, unless I was running vista.&nbsp;<br><br>You might also set up=
 another user and see if it crashes.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatur=
e">Peace,</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Pat</div><div id=3D"AppleMailS=
ignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We su=
pport Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div><b=
r>On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:10 PM, john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att=
.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>should I be comfortable with Win 10...&nbsp;&nbsp; if it=E2=80=99s hard=
ware it=20
should follow me right ??</div></div></div>
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I would think it depends a lot on the fan and what is powering that fan.
Modern CPU fans are all speed controlled, usually by a dedicated driver
chip.  Those chips are normally robust enough to withstand significant back
voltage without damage.  An increasing number of these fans are also
brushless.  As such, they develop much less voltage when spun up than a
standard DC motor would.  As long as there is no excitation voltage in the
field, they are not going to output much.  On the other hand it you have a
fixed speed Brushed DC motor case fan that is connected to the 5v rail of
the power supply you could generate significant voltage and apply it to
everything on that same 5v rail.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Tony Vaccaro <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of
> *John T. Blair
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:55 AM
> *To:* shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> While I see the logic in this, I have never had that thought. I have been
> working on computers for 35 years. Blown out hundreds of computers.
> Sometimes I block the fan, sometimes I don=E2=80=99t, but if I do it is o=
nly to not
> damage the fan and I just usually do it on Laptops as the fans are much
> more fragile.
>
>
>
> I have never had a computer fail to restart (which damaging the CPU would
> do) after blowing it out. My blower is super powerful and I used to use
> compressed air. I would spin those suckers right up.
>
>
>
> I would suspect there is a crowbar circuit in the CPU logic circuitry to
> prevent this from happening.
>
>
>
> I am not saying that this is not possible, just in all my years I have
> never seen it happen and I have seen most other computer related stuff
> happen. Not much I have missed.
>
>
>
> Tony V
>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus
>
>
>
> At 10:01 PM 3/30/2016, Brian Kemp wrote:
>
> >John - You may have a dust problem.  Remove the power cord and open the
> >computer.  Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and clean
> things
> >out.  It is best to do this outside.
>
> John,
>
> If you blow down the inside of the computer with compressed air, put a
> finger on
> the fan on the CPU.  You don't want it to turn.  The compressed air can
> spin up
> the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.  So a DC motor being
> turned
> externally becomes a generator, and spinning faster then design speed
> causes it
> to output a higher voltage than it runs on.  This overvoltage is being
> applied back
> to the mother board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to fail.
>
> John
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would think it depends a lot on the fan and what is powe=
ring that fan.=C2=A0 Modern CPU fans are all speed controlled, usually by a=
 dedicated driver chip.=C2=A0 Those chips are normally robust enough to wit=
hstand significant back voltage without damage.=C2=A0 An increasing number =
of these fans are also brushless.=C2=A0 As such, they develop much less vol=
tage when spun up than a standard DC motor would.=C2=A0 As long as there is=
 no excitation voltage in the field, they are not going to output much.=C2=
=A0 On the other hand it you have a fixed speed Brushed DC motor case fan t=
hat is connected to the 5v rail of the power supply you could generate sign=
ificant voltage and apply it to everything on that same 5v rail.=C2=A0 <br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar=
 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Tony Vaccaro <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"pu=
rple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Shop-talk [mailto:<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John T. Blair<br><b>Sent:</b> Thur=
sday, March 31, 2016 6:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br>While I see the logic in this, I have never had that thought. I have b=
een working on computers for 35 years. Blown out hundreds of computers. Som=
etimes I block the fan, sometimes I don=E2=80=99t, but if I do it is only t=
o not damage the fan and I just usually do it on Laptops as the fans are mu=
ch more fragile.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">I have never had a computer fa=
il to restart (which damaging the CPU would do) after blowing it out. My bl=
ower is super powerful and I used to use compressed air. I would spin those=
 suckers right up.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">I would suspect there is a =
crowbar circuit in the CPU logic circuitry to prevent this from happening. =
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">I am not saying that this is not possible, jus=
t in all my years I have never seen it happen and I have seen most other co=
mputer related stuff happen. Not much I have missed.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">Tony V<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Subject=
:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif"> Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></span></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">At 10:01 PM =
3/30/2016, Brian Kemp wrote:<span class=3D""><br><br>&gt;John - You may hav=
e a dust problem.=C2=A0 Remove the power cord and open the<br>&gt;computer.=
=C2=A0 Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and clean things <=
br>&gt;out.=C2=A0 It is best to do this outside.<br><br>John,<br><br>If you=
 blow down the inside of the computer with compressed air, put a finger on<=
br>the fan on the CPU.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t want it to turn.=C2=A0 The compr=
essed air can spin up<br>the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.=
=C2=A0 So a DC motor being turned <br>externally becomes a generator, and s=
pinning faster then design speed causes it<br>to output a higher voltage th=
an it runs on.=C2=A0 This overvoltage is being applied back<br>to the mothe=
r board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to fail.<br><br>John<br><br>=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><br>_______________________________=
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