Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] falling headliner fix?

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:58:53 -0500

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What is failing is the foam above the fabric. Remove the headliner, scrape o=
ff the foam & replace with new fabric. The fabric is cheap, about $75. If th=
at is too much trouble, pull the fabric out & scrape off the foam.

Race,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Caldwell County Habitat for Humanity

On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Philip Ethier <[email-masked]> wrote:

My MOL has a Saturn with a falling headliner.  What's the fix for this?

I'd love to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40 that a=
 guy could poke through little holes in the liner.

What's out there to buy?  I will cut bigger holes if I have to.  It's not a c=
oncours car.

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1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>What is failing is the foam above the f=
abric. Remove the headliner, scrape off the foam &amp; replace with new fabr=
ic. The fabric is cheap, about $75. If that is too much trouble, pull the fa=
bric out &amp; scrape off the foam.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br>=
</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Race,</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignatur=
e">Pat<br><br>Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Caldwell County Habitat for Hum=
anity</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Philip=
 Ethier &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">My MOL has a Saturn with a fallin=
g headliner.&nbsp; What's the fix for this?<div><br></div><div>I'd love to h=
ear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40 that a guy could p=
oke through little holes in the liner.</div><div><br></div><div>What's out t=
here to buy?&nbsp; I will cut bigger holes if I have to.&nbsp; It's not a co=
ncours car.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signa=
ture"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">Phil E=
thier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA</span><br></div><div><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">1973 Triumph Stag LE22=
439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;back=
ground-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:v=
erdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-c=
olor:rgb(239,239,239)">2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of t=
he bunch</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,luci=
da,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,2=
39)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'luci=
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5 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-f=
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:57:26 -0500

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If this is too much trouble, try thumb tacks. Make a design with 100 or so!

Peace,
Pat

On Apr 19, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:

Race,
Pat

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>If this is too much trouble, try thumb=
 tacks. Make a design with 100 or so!</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><=
div>Pat</div><div><br>On Apr 19, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Du=
tf-8"><div>What is failing is the foam above the fabric. Remove the headline=
r, scrape off the foam &amp; replace with new fabric. The fabric is cheap, a=
bout $75. If that is too much trouble, pull the fabric out &amp; scrape off t=
he foam.</div><div><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Race,</div><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature">Pat<br><br>Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Caldwell C=
ounty Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Apr 19, 201=
6, at 6:40 AM, Philip Ethier &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">pethi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">My MOL has a=
 Saturn with a falling headliner.&nbsp; What's the fix for this?<div><br></d=
iv><div>I'd love to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD=
40 that a guy could poke through little holes in the liner.</div><div><br></=
div><div>What's out there to buy?&nbsp; I will cut bigger holes if I have to=
.&nbsp; It's not a concours car.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span=
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,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;background-color:rg=
b(239,239,239)">Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA</span><br></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'l=
ucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">=
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue</span><br style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, t=
he only automatic of the bunch</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;backgrou=
nd-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verda=
na,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color=
:rgb(239,239,239)">2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl</span><br style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, R=
egal Blue Pearl</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,gene=
va,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(23=
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;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mnautox.com=
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From: "J.C. Hassall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:28:29 -0400

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Phil,
The headliner in my '96 Saturn SL2 gave up the ghost a couple of years
ago.  T pins worked fine for a year or so, but as the cloth material
deteriorated the effectiveness of the pins diminished.  After reviewing a
couple of YouTube videos I decided that replacing it is very doable for
home mechanics.  It is.

Remove at the bits which screw into the headliner, fold the pax seat down
as flat as possible and simply pull it out.  It is important to remove
*all* the original foam rubber and adhesive.  Wire brush and soap and water
work well.  I used 3M spray adhesive and worked the liner material on in 2'
sections (more manageable than doing the whole thing at once).  Cut the
required openings and install.  Installation is very fiddly, as you'll
probably have to bend the liner to go in thru pax rear door.  If the liner
cracks, no big deal, you won't notice with the finished product.

The project took me a couple of hours one evening to extricate and clean
the liner.  I let it dry overnight and glued the new liner material in the
AM.  I bought foam-backed headliner material from a local craft shop.
Don't try to use unbacked material, as the adhesive will soak thru and
discolor the finished product.

Easily do-able with your skills.

jim
I bought some headliner material from a local fabric shop (~$25)

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Philip Ethier <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'd love to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40
> that a guy could poke through little holes in the liner.
>
> What's out there to buy?  I will cut bigger holes if I have to.  It's not
> a concours car.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,<div>The headliner in my &#39;96 Saturn SL2 gave up t=
he ghost a couple of years ago.=C2=A0 T pins worked fine for a year or so, =
but as the cloth material deteriorated the effectiveness of the pins dimini=
shed.=C2=A0 After reviewing a couple of YouTube videos I decided that repla=
cing it is very doable for home mechanics.=C2=A0 It is. =C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Remove at the bits which screw into the headliner, fold the pa=
x seat down as flat as possible and simply pull it out.=C2=A0 It is importa=
nt to remove *all* the original foam rubber and adhesive.=C2=A0 Wire brush =
and soap and water work well.=C2=A0 I used 3M spray adhesive and worked the=
 liner material on in 2&#39; sections (more manageable than doing the whole=
 thing at once).=C2=A0 Cut the required openings and install.=C2=A0 Install=
ation is very fiddly, as you&#39;ll probably have to bend the liner to go i=
n thru pax rear door.=C2=A0 If the liner cracks, no big deal, you won&#39;t=
 notice with the finished product. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The proj=
ect took me a couple of hours one evening to extricate and clean the liner.=
=C2=A0 I let it dry overnight and glued the new liner material in the AM.=
=C2=A0 I bought foam-backed headliner material from a local craft shop.=C2=
=A0 Don&#39;t try to use unbacked material, as the adhesive will soak thru =
and discolor the finished product. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Easily d=
o-able with your skills.</div><div><br></div><div>jim</div><div>I bought so=
me headliner material from a local fabric shop (~$25)</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:4=
0 AM, Philip Ethier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">My MOL has a Saturn with a falling =
headliner.=C2=A0 What&#39;s the fix for this?<div><br></div><div>I&#39;d lo=
ve to hear that there is an adhesive with a little tube ala-WD40 that a guy=
 could poke through little holes in the liner.</div><div><br></div><div>Wha=
t&#39;s out there to buy?=C2=A0 I will cut bigger holes if I have to.=C2=A0=
 It&#39;s not a concours car.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"=
><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,l=
ucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.80000=
01907349px;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">Phil Ethier West Side Saint P=
aul Minnesota USA</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font=
-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW &quot=
;uncle jack&quot;, Sapphire Blue</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-f=
amily:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font=
-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the =
only automatic of the bunch</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;b=
ackground-color:rgb(239,239,239)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;background-color:rgb(239,239,239)">2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl</s=
pan><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lu=
cida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(239,239,23=
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239)">2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl</span><br style=3D"co=
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