Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:15:47 -0500

Jim,

3/4" space is probably mice. They can get through spaces about the size of a
dime. Rats need a hole about the size of a quarter. Squirrels need more
space than that. Where do you live?

Any chance you have a camera that could be set up in the space that has
motion detection? You can always use bait to poison them. I don't use it
often, but when I have, they left the building to die. YMMV.

Peace,
Pat

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From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Jim
Franklin
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:45 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

I've searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actually
see evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No droppings
anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and a
great big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly in
the 3/4" space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock. 

They are loudly active mostly at night, almost always at 4:30am. Often in
the evenings, but sometimes during the day too. However, I haven't heard
them in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.

I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how they are getting in.
A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there is no evidence of
anythingin the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls. 

In the past, any mice have eventually made it to the basement traps, but not
this time. 

thanks,
jim
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:18:56 -0400

If it sounds like squirrels, it very likely is.  We had them in our
walls, and it sounded just like what you describe.

We got this http://www.amazon.com/Ortho-Repellent-1-Gallon-Groundhog-Herbivore/dp/B009QAPT24
 and sprayed the heck out of the side of the house.  They don't seem
to like it, and they went away.

Unfortunately, they remember where they lived and they will come back
next year, if not in the fall.  Once you chase them off, you will need
to continue to spray in the fall and spring (start early!) to convince
them that elsewhere is better.

Good luck!

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Jim Franklin <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I've searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actually see evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No droppings anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and a great big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly in the 3/4" space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock.
>
> They are loudly active mostly at night, almost always at 4:30am. Often in the evenings, but sometimes during the day too. However, I haven't heard them in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.
>
> I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how they are getting in. A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there is no evidence of anything in the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls.
>
> In the past, any mice have eventually made it to the basement traps, but not this time.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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From: Gordie Bird <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:30:48 -0400

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Sounds like bats to me.  Only need a gap the size of a dime to get in.   Dr=
oppings will be at the entry points.  If it is warm where you are at, you m=
ay be able to see them come or go after dusk or just before dawn.=20
Since they are protected, you must exclude them rather than kill them.
Took nearly 2 yrs to get them out of my attic. =20

Good luck,
Gordie

From: Jim Franklin
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:42 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

I've searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actually=
 see evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No dropping=
s anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and=
 a great big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly i=
n the 3/4" space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock.=20

They are loudly active mostly at night, almost always at 4:30am. Often in t=
he evenings, but sometimes during the day too. However, I haven't heard the=
m in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.

I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how they are getting in.=
 A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there is no evidence of =
anything in the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls.=20

In the past, any mice have eventually made it to the basement traps, but no=
t this time.=20

thanks,
jim

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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:27:51 +0000

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The timing leans towards bats coming and leaving. If you have enough, as on=
e our neighbors did, you can definitely hear them going in and out.

"Droppings will be at the entry points"...I sure hope this isn't accurate. =
I have bats in my attic and there are droppings in many places.....places w=
here, if they were getting in and out, water would be as well.

tim

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Gordie Bird=
 <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:30 PM
To: Jim Franklin; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

Sounds like bats to me.  Only need a gap the size of a dime to get in.   Dr=
oppings will be at the entry points.  If it is warm where you are at, you m=
ay be able to see them come or go after dusk or just before dawn.

Took nearly 2 yrs to get them out of my attic.

Good luck,

Gordie

n the 3/4" space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock.

I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how they are getting in.=
 A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there is no evidence of =
anything in the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls.

t this time.

thanks,

jim

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Sounds like bats to me.&nbsp; Only need a gap the size of a dime to get in.=
&nbsp; &nbsp;Droppings will be at the entry points.&nbsp; If it is warm whe=
re you are at, you may be able to see them come or go after dusk or just be=
fore dawn.
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Since they are protected, you must exclude them rather than kill them.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
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Took nearly 2 yrs to get them out of my attic.&nbsp; </p>
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Good luck,</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue=
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I've searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actually=
 see evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No dropping=
s anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and=
 a great big ruckus like two squirrels
 chasing each other, moving quickly in the 3/4&quot; space created by the s=
trapping between joists and sheetrock.
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
They are loudly active mostly at night, almost always at 4:30am. Often in t=
he evenings, but sometimes during the day too. However, I haven't heard the=
m in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how they are getting in.=
 A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there is no evidence of =
anything in the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls.
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;">
In the past, any mice have eventually made it to the basement traps, but no=
t this time.
</p>
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From: Gordie Bird <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:53:39 -0400

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Generally you will find bats entering and leaving in the east, south, or so=
utheast of the structure.  Any place I saw them entering my house was prett=
y protected, like a soffit, or the end of a ridge vent that was not sealed =
properly.  Droppings can be noticed on inside or outside.
I got most of my education (and the bat houses that I built) from the Bat C=
onservancy=E2=80=A6 http://www.batcon.org/, as well as the =E2=80=98bat man=
=E2=80=99 that I hired for the exclusion (after I tried unsuccessfully).
They are good to have around, just not in the attic!

Gordie

From: Tim .
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

The timing leans towards bats coming and leaving. If you have enough, as on=
e our neighbors did, you can definitely hear them going in and out.=C2=A0

"Droppings will be at the entry points"...I sure hope this isn't accurate. =
I have bats in my attic and there are droppings in many places.....places w=
here, if they were getting in and out,=C2=A0water would be as well.=C2=A0

tim

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Generally you will find bats enterin=
g and leaving in the east, south, or southeast of the structure.=C2=A0 Any =
place I saw them entering my house was pretty protected, like a soffit, or =
the end of a ridge vent that was not sealed properly.=C2=A0 Droppings can b=
e noticed on inside or outside.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I got most of my ed=
ucation (and the bat houses that I built) from the Bat Conservancy=E2=80=A6=
 <a href=3D"http://www.batcon.org/">http://www.batcon.org/</a>, as well as =
the =E2=80=98bat man=E2=80=99 that I hired for the exclusion (after I tried=
 unsuccessfully).</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>They are good to have around, jus=
t not in the attic!</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Gordie</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top=
:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stu=
[email-masked]">Tim .</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:11 AM<=
br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling=
?</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family=
:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'backgroun=
d:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The t=
iming leans towards bats coming and leaving. If you have enough, as one our=
 neighbors did, you can definitely hear them going in and out.&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'back=
ground:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>=
&quot;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>Droppings will be at the entry points&quot;...I sure hope t=
his isn't accurate. I have bats in my attic and there are droppings in many=
 places.....places where, if they were getting in and out,&nbsp;water would=
 be as well.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;co=
lor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>tim</span><span style=3D'font-family:"C=
alibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12=
.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><img b=
order=3D0 width=3D694 height=3D2 style=3D'width:7.2291in;height:.0208in' id=
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0"></span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></=
p><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><=
b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> =
Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Gordie Bird=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:30 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Franklin; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</span><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p style=3D'background:white'><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Sounds like bats to me.&nbsp; Only need a gap the size of a dime to get in=
.&nbsp; &nbsp;Droppings will be at the entry points.&nbsp; If it is warm wh=
ere you are at, you may be able to see them come or go after dusk or just b=
efore dawn. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Since th=
ey are protected, you must exclude them rather than kill them.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Took nearly 2 yrs to get them out=
 of my attic.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Good luck,<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Gordie<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=
=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background=
:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;co=
lor:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'color=
:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;bor=
der-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p style=3D'backgrou=
nd:white'><b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
g">Jim Franklin</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:42 PM<br><b>To=
: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'color:black'>=
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I've=
 searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actually see=
 evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No droppings an=
ywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and a g=
reat big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly in th=
e 3/4&quot; space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock. <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>They are loudly active mostly at nig=
ht, almost always at 4:30am. Often in the evenings, but sometimes during th=
e day too. However, I haven't heard them in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I cannot find any entry points, so=
 I can't observe how they are getting in. A lot of the roof trim is rotted =
at the ends, but there is no evidence of anything in the attic, and I never=
 hear anything in the walls. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:w=
hite'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;colo=
r:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>In th=
e past, any mice have eventually made it to the basement traps, but not thi=
s time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>thanks,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'ba=
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:23:56 +0000

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Well, WI have something weird going on...ha

The neighbor to the east of us had them coming out at least the north side,=
 the neighbor on the west on at least his east side, and I've seen them com=
e out three side of my place. too funny.

________________________________
From: Gordie Bird <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:53 AM
To: Tim .; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?

I got most of my education (and the bat houses that I built) from the Bat C=
onservancy... http://www.batcon.org/, as well as the 'bat man' that I hired=
 for the exclusion (after I tried unsuccessfully).

[http://www.batcon.org/images/logo-big.png]<http://www.batcon.org/>

Bat Conservation International - BCI<http://www.batcon.org/>
www.batcon.org
Austin-based group whose mission is to protect and restore bats and their h=
abitats worldwide. Includes information about education, conservation effor=
ts, articles ...

Gordie

tim

Good luck,

Gordie

thanks,

jim

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<p>Well, WI have something weird going on...ha</p>
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<p>The neighbor to the east of us had&nbsp;them coming out at least the nor=
th side, the neighbor on the west on at least&nbsp;his east side, and I've =
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:53 AM<br>
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pretty protected, like a soffit, or the end of a ridge vent that was not se=
aled properly.&nbsp; Droppings can be noticed
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I got most of my education (and the bat houses that I built) from the Bat C=
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nderline;" id=3D"LPlnk977100">
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They are good to have around, just not in the attic!</p>
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Gordie</p>
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<b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"colo=
r: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Tim .</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue=
; text-decoration: underline;">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</p>
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, sans-serif;">
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rif">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif; color:black">The timing leans towards bats coming and leaving=
. If you have enough, as one our neighbors did, you can definitely hear the=
m going in and out.&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif; color:black">&quot;</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Droppings will be at=
 the entry points&quot;...I sure hope this isn't accurate. I have bats
 in my attic and there are droppings in many places.....places where, if th=
ey were getting in and out,&nbsp;water would be as well.&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"></span></=
p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">tim</span><span style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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4" height=3D"2" id=3D"Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1" style=3D"width: 7.2291=
in; height: 0.0208in; -webkit-user-select: none;" tabindex=3D"0" src=3D"cid=
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<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Gordie Bir=
d &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin; [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">
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<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Sounds like bats to me.&nbsp; =
Only need a gap the size of a dime to get in.&nbsp; &nbsp;Droppings will be=
 at the entry points.&nbsp; If it is warm where you are at, you may
 be able to see them come or go after dusk or just before dawn. </span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Since they are protected, you =
must exclude them rather than kill them.</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Took nearly 2 yrs to get them =
out of my attic.&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Good luck,</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Gordie</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; co=
lor:black"></span></p>
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n 0in 0in">
<p style=3D"background:white"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-fami=
ly:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif; color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=
=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Jim Franklin</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:42 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue=
; text-decoration: underline;">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</span></p>
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<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; co=
lor:black"></span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">I've searched the Internet, bu=
t all answers seem to require that I actually see evidence, and I don't. It=
's in the ceiling between floors. No droppings
 anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, and =
a great big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly in=
 the 3/4&quot; space created by the strapping between joists and sheetrock.
</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">They are loudly active mostly =
at night, almost always at 4:30am. Often in the evenings, but sometimes dur=
ing the day too. However, I haven't heard them
 in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">I cannot find any entry points=
, so I can't observe how they are getting in. A lot of the roof trim is rot=
ted at the ends, but there is no evidence of anything
 in the attic, and I never hear anything in the walls. </span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">In the past, any mice have eve=
ntually made it to the basement traps, but not this time.
</span></p>
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<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
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<p style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:=
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From: Gordie Bird <[email-masked]>
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Actually, now that I recall, one of the ridge vent ends I saw them entering=
/exiting from was on the north end of my house.  I suppose they will use an=
y entrance they can to a nice cozy attic!
BTW, droppings will usually have sparkles from the insect wings.

From: Tim .
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:24 PM
To: Gordie Bird; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling? bat tanget...

The neighbor to the east of us had=C2=A0them coming out at least the north =
side, the neighbor on the west on at least=C2=A0his east side, and I've see=
n them come out three side of my place. too funny.=C2=A0

Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?=20
utheast of the structure.=C2=A0 Any place I saw them entering my house was =
aled properly.=C2=A0 Droppings can be noticed on inside or outside.
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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, now that I recall, one of =
the ridge vent ends I saw them entering/exiting from was on the north end o=
f my house. =C2=A0I suppose they will use any entrance they can to a nice c=
ozy attic!</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BTW, droppings will usually have sparkle=
s from the insect wings.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;borde=
r-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal s=
tyle=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun=
[email-masked]">Tim .</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:24=
 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Gordie Bird</a>;=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><b=
r><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling? bat tanget.=
..</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'backgrou=
nd:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Well=
, WI have something weird going on...ha<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'ba=
ckground:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black=
'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The neighbor to the east of u=
s had&nbsp;them coming out at least the north side, the neighbor on the wes=
t on at least&nbsp;his east side, and I've seen them come out three side of=
 my place. too funny.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><img border=
=3D0 width=3D694 height=3D2 style=3D'width:7.2291in;height:.0208in' id=3D"_=
x0000_i1027" src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3DdivRplyFw=
dMsg><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><b><span style=3D'colo=
r:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> Gordie Bird &lt;mg_ga=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:53 AM<br><b=
>To:</b> Tim .; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Shop-talk]=
 What animal is in my ceiling?</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:=
black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background=
:white'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><div><div><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Generally you =
will find bats entering and leaving in the east, south, or southeast of the=
 structure.&nbsp; Any place I saw them entering my house was pretty protect=
ed, like a soffit, or the end of a ridge vent that was not sealed properly.=
&nbsp; Droppings can be noticed on inside or outside.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I got most of my education (and the bat ho=
uses that I built) from the Bat Conservancy=E2=80=A6 <a href=3D"http://www.=
batcon.org/" id=3DLPlnk977100>http://www.batcon.org/</a>, as well as the =
=E2=80=98bat man=E2=80=99 that I hired for the exclusion (after I tried uns=
uccessfully).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D'margin-bottom:15.0pt;overf=
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mal style=3D'margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size=
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bsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>They are good to have=
 around, just not in the attic!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background=
:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;co=
lor:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Gor=
die<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'backg=
round:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><=
span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p style=3D'background:white'><b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]">Tim .</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, April 6, =
2016 9:11 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Shop=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is =
in my ceiling?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style=3D'background:white'><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'=
background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck'>The timing leans towards bats coming and leaving. If you have enough, a=
s one our neighbors did, you can definitely hear them going in and out.&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p styl=
e=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;colo=
r:black'>&quot;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,sans-serif;color:black'>Droppings will be at the entry points&quot;...I su=
re hope this isn't accurate. I have bats in my attic and there are dropping=
s in many places.....places where, if they were getting in and out,&nbsp;wa=
ter would be as well.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><sp=
an style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>tim</span><span style=3D'font-f=
amily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'b=
ackground:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blac=
k'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style=3D'background:white'=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><img border=
=3D0 width=3D694 height=3D2 style=3D'width:7.2291in;height:.0208in' id=3D"H=
orizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" al=
t=3D"cid:[email-masked]"></span><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><d=
iv id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p style=3D'background:white'><b><span style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><=
span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black=
'> Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Gordie B=
ird &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:=
30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Franklin; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</span><span style=3D'font-=
family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
div><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div>=
<div><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Sounds like bats to me.&nbsp; Only ne=
ed a gap the size of a dime to get in.&nbsp; &nbsp;Droppings will be at the=
 entry points.&nbsp; If it is warm where you are at, you may be able to see=
 them come or go after dusk or just before dawn. </span><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D=
'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color:black'>Since they are protected, you must exclude them rathe=
r than kill them.</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;col=
or:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Took nea=
rly 2 yrs to get them out of my attic.&nbsp; </span><span style=3D'font-fam=
ily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'bac=
kground:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-s=
erif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-se=
rif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Goo=
d luck,</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Gordie</span><span s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"=
Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'backgrou=
nd:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;=
color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;c=
olor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=
=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color=
:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:so=
lid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p style=3D'background:white'>=
<b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:b=
lack'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
",sans-serif;color:black'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jim Fra=
nklin</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:42 PM<br><b>To: </b><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>=
Subject: </b>[Shop-talk] What animal is in my ceiling?</span><span style=3D=
'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><=
span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black=
'>I've searched the Internet, but all answers seem to require that I actual=
ly see evidence, and I don't. It's in the ceiling between floors. No droppi=
ngs anywhere. I hear little feet like mice skittering across the ceiling, a=
nd a great big ruckus like two squirrels chasing each other, moving quickly=
 in the 3/4&quot; space created by the strapping between joists and sheetro=
ck. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span styl=
e=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:black'>They are loudly active mostly at night, almo=
st always at 4:30am. Often in the evenings, but sometimes during the day to=
o. However, I haven't heard them in 2 days. Sometimes this happens.</span><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'ba=
ckground:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black'>I cannot find any entry points, so I can't observe how t=
hey are getting in. A lot of the roof trim is rotted at the ends, but there=
 is no evidence of anything in the attic, and I never hear anything in the =
walls. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p style=3D'background:white'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>In the past, any mice have eventually mad=
e it to the basement traps, but not this time. </span><span style=3D'font-f=
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From: Scott Ryan <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:59:38 -0500

I have had bats before, and they make an amazing amount of noise. 
Although I am not sure they could get across the ceiling that fast, and 
you should have some evidence in the attic.  And they certainly don't 
need much to get in.

Good luck! Scott R

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thanks,
jim

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