Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus

From: "Peter J. Thomas" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:57:15 -0400

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On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:
> this week I have started getting the ‘blue screen of death’!!   Gives 
> me the screen... does the dump and reboots...
> upon reboot I get the ‘windows had a boo-boo’  box with the following 
> information
Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system 
or virus, etc.  I believe you have Windows 7.  Best advice is to boot 
into safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.

If it is Win 7 consider updating to Win 10.
> /Problem signature:/
> /  Problem Event Name:    BlueScreen/
> /  OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48/
> /  Locale ID:    1033/
> //
> /Additional information about the problem:/
> /  BCCode:    19/
> /  BCP1:    0000000000000020/
> /  BCP2:    FFFFFA800602A590/
> /  BCP3:    FFFFFA800602A5B0/
> /  BCP4:    0000000004020008/
> /  OS Version:    6_1_7601/
> /  Service Pack:    1_0/
> /  Product:    256_1/
> //
> /Files that help describe the problem:/
> /  C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp/
> /C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml/
> //
> /Read our privacy statement online:/
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> privacy statement offline:/
> /  C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt/
> //
> of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally get 
> it to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if someone 
> wants to look at it
> I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with 
> mainframes and cobol...  this don’t look like those !
> any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what’s blowing 
> up my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some guidance...  I can 
> email you the dump if it helps
> thanks
> John
> (shop content... I use my computer to order tools and ‘stuff’ for my 
> shop )
> //
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:C5E466D8380546A795AEDD1705EAB893@UserPC"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR:
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          <div>this week I have started getting the ‘blue screen of
            death’!!   Gives me the screen... does the dump and
            reboots...</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>upon reboot I get the ‘windows had a boo-boo’  box with
            the following information</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file
    system or virus, etc.  I believe you have Windows 7.  Best advice is
    to boot into safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.<br>
    <br>
    If it is Win 7 consider updating to Win 10.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:C5E466D8380546A795AEDD1705EAB893@UserPC"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR:
          #000000">
          <div> </div>
          <div><em>Problem signature:</em></div>
          <div><em>  Problem Event Name:    BlueScreen</em></div>
          <div><em>  OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48</em></div>
          <div><em>  Locale ID:    1033</em></div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div><em>Additional information about the problem:</em></div>
          <div><em>  BCCode:    19</em></div>
          <div><em>  BCP1:    0000000000000020</em></div>
          <div><em>  BCP2:    FFFFFA800602A590</em></div>
          <div><em>  BCP3:    FFFFFA800602A5B0</em></div>
          <div><em>  BCP4:    0000000004020008</em></div>
          <div><em>  OS Version:    6_1_7601</em></div>
          <div><em>  Service Pack:    1_0</em></div>
          <div><em>  Product:    256_1</em></div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div><em>Files that help describe the problem:</em></div>
          <div><em>  C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp</em></div>
          <div><em> 
              C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml</em></div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div><em>Read our privacy statement online:</em></div>
          <div><em>  </em><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=104288&amp;clcid=0x0409"><em>http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=104288&amp;clcid=0x0409</em></a></div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div><em>If the online privacy statement is not available,
              please read our privacy statement offline:</em></div>
          <div><em>  C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt</em></div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div>of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I
            did finally get it to allow me to print out the minidump and
            have it saved if someone wants to look at it</div>
          <div>I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30
            years ago with mainframes and cobol...  this don’t look like
            those !  </div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea
            what’s blowing up my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate
            some guidance...  I can email you the dump if it helps</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>thanks</div>
          <div>John</div>
          <div>(shop content... I use my computer to order tools and
            ‘stuff’ for my shop )</div>
          <div><em></em> </div>
          <div> </div>
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:59:11 -0400

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On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:
> /OS Version:    6_1_7601/
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/e09b9504-a041-4aec-8fa8-ba33e3860e82/constant-windows-7-blue-screen-error?forum=w7itproperf

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:C5E466D8380546A795AEDD1705EAB893@UserPC"
      type="cite"><em>OS Version:    6_1_7601</em></blockquote>
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:40:55 +0000

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One question would be - do you reboot frequently?  Windows systems tend to =
need that periodically... say once a week or else they seem to use up alot =
of memory and just start acting erratically.

The BCCode 19 you referenced seems related to system memory, so maybe a bad=
 module.  Could try making sure there's no "shop dust" getting into the cas=
e or moisture, etc. Maybe a good excuse to add some new memory?

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/9f46ea31-8327-4a6=
9-b12d-b33e06fa2843/windows-7-bluescreen-crash-bccode-19?forum=3Dw7itprohar=
dware

That said, one other thing might be the hard drive starting to go. When a c=
ritical system file happens to be on a part of the hard disk that is corrup=
ted, it could start crashing. If you have started hearing any strange hummi=
ng, buzzing or clicking noises, that could be another sign.

I'm not that familiar with diagnosing newer Windows systems any more since =
I don't use Windows primarily, but I would imagine there are built in tools=
 to help you through that.

PJ

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Peter J. Th=
omas <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:57 AM
To: john niolon; shop-talk
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus

On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:
this week I have started getting the 'blue screen of death'!!   Gives me th=
e screen... does the dump and reboots...

upon reboot I get the 'windows had a boo-boo'  box with the following infor=
mation
Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system or v=
irus, etc.  I believe you have Windows 7.  Best advice is to boot into safe=
 mode and run diagnostics/updates.

Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:    BlueScreen
  OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
  Locale ID:    1033

Additional information about the problem:
  BCCode:    19
  BCP1:    0000000000000020
  BCP2:    FFFFFA800602A590
  BCP3:    FFFFFA800602A5B0
  BCP4:    0000000004020008
  OS Version:    6_1_7601
  Service Pack:    1_0
  Product:    256_1

Files that help describe the problem:
  C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp
  C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml

Read our privacy statement online:
  http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=3D104288&clcid=3D0x0409

If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privacy s=
tatement offline:
  C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt

of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally get it t=
o allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if someone wants to =
look at it
I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with main=
frames and cobol...  this don't look like those !

any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what's blowing up m=
y pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some guidance...  I can email you t=
he dump if it helps

thanks
John
(shop content... I use my computer to order tools and 'stuff' for my shop )

[email-masked]

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<p>One question would be - do you reboot frequently? &nbsp;Windows systems =
tend to need that periodically... say once a week or else they seem to use =
up alot of memory and just start acting erratically. &nbsp;</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The BCCode 19&nbsp;you referenced seems related to system memory, so may=
be a bad module. &nbsp;Could try making sure there's no &quot;shop dust&quo=
t; getting into the case or moisture, etc. Maybe a good excuse to add some =
new memory?</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/9f4=
6ea31-8327-4a69-b12d-b33e06fa2843/windows-7-bluescreen-crash-bccode-19?foru=
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s-7-bluescreen-crash-bccode-19?forum=3Dw7itprohardware=0A=
Ctrl&#43;Click or tap to follow the link">https://social.technet.microsoft.=
com/Forums/windows/en-US/9f46ea31-8327-4a69-b12d-b33e06fa2843/windows-7-blu=
escreen-crash-bccode-19?forum=3Dw7itprohardware</a><br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">That said, one other thing might be the=
 hard drive starting to go. When a critical system file happens to be on a =
part of the hard disk that is corrupted, it could start crashing. If you ha=
ve started hearing any strange humming,
 buzzing or clicking noises, that could be another sign.</span><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I'm not that familiar with diagnosing newer&nbsp;Windows systems any mor=
e since I don't use Windows primarily, but I would imagine there are built =
in tools to help you through that.&nbsp;</p>
<div><br>
</div>
PJ<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co=
lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Peter J. Thomas &lt;pj_thomas@co=
mcast.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> john niolon; shop-talk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus</fon=
t>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:'Calibri'; color:#000000">
<div>this week I have started getting the &#8216;blue screen of death&#8217=
;!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Gives me the screen... does the dump and reboots...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>upon reboot I get the &#8216;windows had a boo-boo&#8217;&nbsp; box wi=
th the following information</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system or v=
irus, etc.&nbsp; I believe you have Windows 7.&nbsp; Best advice is to boot=
 into safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.<br>
<br>
If it is Win 7 consider updating to Win 10.<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt; font-family:'Calibri'; color:#000000">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>Problem signature:</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; Problem Event Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BlueScreen</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; OS Version:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48</em></d=
iv>
<div><em>&nbsp; Locale ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1033</em></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>Additional information about the problem:</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; BCCode:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 19</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; BCP1:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0000000000000020</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; BCP2:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FFFFFA800602A590</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; BCP3:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FFFFFA800602A5B0</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; BCP4:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0000000004020008</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; OS Version:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6_1_7601</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; Service Pack:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1_0</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; Product:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 256_1</em></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>Files that help describe the problem:</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml</e=
m></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>Read our privacy statement online:</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; </em><a href=3D"http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=3D10=
4288&amp;clcid=3D0x0409" id=3D"LPlnk888604"><em>http://go.microsoft.com/fwl=
ink/?linkid=3D104288&amp;clcid=3D0x0409</em></a></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our =
privacy statement offline:</em></div>
<div><em>&nbsp; C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt</em></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div>of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; I did f=
inally get it to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if so=
meone wants to look at it</div>
<div>I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with=
 mainframes and cobol...&nbsp; this don&#8217;t look like those !&nbsp;
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what&#8217;s b=
lowing up my pc ???&nbsp;&nbsp; I would certainly appreciate some guidance.=
..&nbsp; I can email you the dump if it helps</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>thanks</div>
<div>John</div>
<div>(shop content... I use my computer to order tools and &#8216;stuff&#82=
17; for my shop )</div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
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I am very far from being any sort of expert, but when I was having this iss=
ue with a newish machine running Win7,

my blue screens were being caused by bad memory.

YMMV

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As others have pointed out, it looks like a memory access error, which
would require the actual DMP file to look at, here's a link to discussions
on the same issue:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bluescreen-os-version-=
1760121025648/f7ff3315-7f03-48c4-95b9-644ac772b2f5?auth=3D1

http://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-support/75794-what-does-error-code-mea=
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Tualatin, OR  Big Llama Productions

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:42 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

> this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of death=E2=80=
=99!!   Gives me
> the screen... does the dump and reboots...
>
> upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a boo-boo=E2=80=99  box with t=
he following
> information
>
> *Problem signature:*
> *  Problem Event Name:    BlueScreen*
> *  OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48*
> *  Locale ID:    1033*
>
> *Additional information about the problem:*
> *  BCCode:    19*
> *  BCP1:    0000000000000020*
> *  BCP2:    FFFFFA800602A590*
> *  BCP3:    FFFFFA800602A5B0*
> *  BCP4:    0000000004020008*
> *  OS Version:    6_1_7601*
> *  Service Pack:    1_0*
> *  Product:    256_1*
>
> *Files that help describe the problem:*
> *  C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp*
> *  C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml*
>
> *Read our privacy statement online:*
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> <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=3D104288&clcid=3D0x0409>
>
> *If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privac=
y
> statement offline:*
> *  C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt*
>
> of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally get it
> to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if someone wants =
to
> mainframes and cobol...  this don=E2=80=99t look like those !
>
> any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what=E2=80=99s bl=
owing up
> my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some guidance...  I can email yo=
u
> the dump if it helps
>
> thanks
> John
> (shop content... I use my computer to order tools and =E2=80=98stuff=E2=
=80=99 for my shop )
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<div dir=3D"ltr">As others have pointed out, it looks like a memory access =
error, which would require the actual DMP file to look at, here&#39;s a lin=
k to discussions on the same issue:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://an=
swers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bluescreen-os-version-176012102=
5648/f7ff3315-7f03-48c4-95b9-644ac772b2f5?auth=3D1">http://answers.microsof=
t.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bluescreen-os-version-1760121025648/f7ff3315-=
7f03-48c4-95b9-644ac772b2f5?auth=3D1</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-support/75794-what-does-error-co=
de-mean-bccode-1000008e.html">http://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-support/=
75794-what-does-error-code-mean-bccode-1000008e.html</a><br></div><div><br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_signature">--<br>__<br>Miq Millman=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:miq=
@bigllama.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Tualatin, OR=C2=A0=
 Big Llama Productions<br></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:42 PM, john niolon=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
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<div>this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of death=E2=
=80=99!!=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
Gives me the screen... does the dump and reboots...</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a boo-boo=E2=80=99=C2=A0 bo=
x with the following=20
information</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><em>Problem signature:</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 Problem Event Name:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BlueScreen</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 OS Version:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48</em></d=
iv>
<div><em>=C2=A0 Locale ID:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1033</em></div>
<div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
<div><em>Additional information about the problem:</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 BCCode:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 19</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 BCP1:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0000000000000020</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 BCP2:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FFFFFA800602A590</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 BCP3:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FFFFFA800602A5B0</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 BCP4:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0000000004020008</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 OS Version:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6_1_7601</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 Service Pack:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1_0</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 Product:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 256_1</em></div>
<div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
<div><em>Files that help describe the problem:</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0=20
C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml</em></div>
<div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
<div><em>Read our privacy statement online:</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 </em><a href=3D"http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=3D10=
4288&amp;clcid=3D0x0409" target=3D"_blank"><em>http://go.microsoft.com/fwli=
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privacy statement offline:</em></div>
<div><em>=C2=A0 C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt</em></div>
<div><em></em>=C2=A0</div>
<div>of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I did=
=20
finally get it to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if=
=20
someone wants to look at it</div>
<div>I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with=
=20
mainframes and cobol...=C2=A0 this don=E2=80=99t look like those !=C2=A0 </=
div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what=E2=80=99s=
 blowing up=20
my pc ???=C2=A0=C2=A0 I would certainly appreciate some guidance...=C2=A0 I=
 can=20
email you the dump if it helps</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>thanks</div>
<div>John</div>
<div>(shop content... I use my computer to order tools and =E2=80=98stuff=
=E2=80=99 for my shop=20
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:10:44 -0500

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no changes on my end...   I downloaded and ran memtest86+  twice and it =
found nothing... I=E2=80=99m not ruling out memory but IT found =
nothing... I haven=E2=80=99t had a problem for a couple of days till =
today in the middle of doing all this it=E2=80=99s crapped out twice =
with exactly the same information

should I be comfortable with Win 10...   if it=E2=80=99s hardware it =
should follow me right ??

From: RandE=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:49 AM
To: Peter J. Thomas=20
Cc: john niolon ; shop-talk=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus

Has anything been installed recently?  Hardware, software, Windows =
update, etc.?

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Peter J. Thomas <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of =
death=E2=80=99!!   Gives me the screen... does the dump and reboots...

    upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a boo-boo=E2=80=99  box =
with the following information
  Could be anything, bad hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system =
or virus, etc.  I believe you have Windows 7.  Best advice is to boot =
into safe mode and run diagnostics/updates.

    Problem signature:

    If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our =
privacy statement offline:
      C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt

    of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally =
get it to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if =
someone wants to look at it
    I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago =
with mainframes and cobol...  this don=E2=80=99t look like those ! =20

    any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea =
what=E2=80=99s blowing up my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some =
guidance...  I can email you the dump if it helps

    thanks
    John
    (shop content... I use my computer to order tools and =
=E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99 for my shop )

    =20

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<DIV>no changes on my end...&nbsp;&nbsp; I downloaded and ran =
memtest86+&nbsp;=20
twice and it found nothing... I=E2=80=99m not ruling out memory but IT =
found nothing...=20
I haven=E2=80=99t had a problem for a couple of days till today in the =
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<DIV>should I be comfortable with Win 10...&nbsp;&nbsp; if it=E2=80=99s =
hardware it=20
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gurus</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Has=20
anything been installed recently?&nbsp; Hardware, software, Windows =
update,=20
etc.?<BR><BR>On Wednesday, March 30, 2016, Peter J. Thomas &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; =
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    <DIV>this week I have started getting the =E2=80=98blue screen of=20
    death=E2=80=99!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Gives me the screen... does the dump =
and=20
    reboots...</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>upon reboot I get the =E2=80=98windows had a =
boo-boo=E2=80=99&nbsp; box with the=20
    following information</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Could be =
anything, bad=20
  hardware or bad driver or corrupted file system or virus, etc.&nbsp; I =
believe=20
  you have Windows 7.&nbsp; Best advice is to boot into safe mode and =
run=20
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    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; Problem Event Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
BlueScreen</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; OS Version:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; Locale ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1033</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><EM>Additional information about the problem:</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCCode:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 19</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCP1:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0000000000000020</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCP2:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FFFFFA800602A590</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCP3:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FFFFFA800602A5B0</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCP4:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0000000004020008</EM></DIV>
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    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; Service Pack:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1_0</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; Product:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 256_1</EM></DIV>
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    <DIV><EM>Files that help describe the problem:</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp; C:\Windows\Minidump\032916-26145-01.dmp</EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM>&nbsp;=20
    C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-94801-0.sysdata.xml</EM></DIV>
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    <DIV>of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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saved if=20
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    <DIV>I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years =
ago with=20
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!&nbsp; </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea =
what=E2=80=99s blowing=20
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guidance...&nbsp;=20
    I can email you the dump if it helps</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>thanks</DIV>
    <DIV>John</DIV>
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=E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99 for my=20
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From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:01:35 -0700

John - You may have a dust problem.  Remove the power cord and open the 
computer.  Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and clean 
things out.  It is best to do this outside.

If you are comfortable doing so, you might want to remove and re-seat 
each memory module.  Ground yourself with the case first to avoid any 
static discharge.  Jiggle the various connectors to to the mother board 
to make sure all are seated.  Only do these steps if you are comfortable 
inside the computer.

Brian

    On 3/29/2016 8:42 PM, john niolon wrote:
>     this week I have started getting the ‘blue screen of death’!!  
>     Gives me the screen... does the dump and reboots...
>

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 >computer.  Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and 
clean things
 >out.  It is best to do this outside.

John,

If you blow down the inside of the computer with compressed air, put 
a finger on
the fan on the CPU.  You don't want it to turn.  The compressed air can spin up
the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.  So a DC motor being turned
externally becomes a generator, and spinning faster then design speed causes it
to output a higher voltage than it runs on.  This overvoltage is 
being applied back
to the mother board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to fail.

John

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&gt;John - You may have a dust problem.&nbsp; Remove the power cord and
open the<br>
&gt;computer.&nbsp; Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and
clean things <br>
&gt;out.&nbsp; It is best to do this outside.<br><br>
John,<br><br>
If you blow down the inside of the computer with compressed air, put a
finger on<br>
the fan on the CPU.&nbsp; You don't want it to turn.&nbsp; The compressed
air can spin up<br>
the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.&nbsp; So a DC motor
being turned <br>
externally becomes a generator, and spinning faster then design speed
causes it<br>
to output a higher voltage than it runs on.&nbsp; This overvoltage is
being applied back<br>
to the mother board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to
fail.<br><br>
John<br><br>
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From: Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of John
T. Blair
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
While I see the logic in this, I have never had that thought. I have been
working on computers for 35 years. Blown out hundreds of computers.
Sometimes I block the fan, sometimes I don't, but if I do it is only to not
damage the fan and I just usually do it on Laptops as the fans are much more
fragile.

I have never had a computer fail to restart (which damaging the CPU would
do) after blowing it out. My blower is super powerful and I used to use
compressed air. I would spin those suckers right up.

I would suspect there is a crowbar circuit in the CPU logic circuitry to
prevent this from happening. 

I am not saying that this is not possible, just in all my years I have never
seen it happen and I have seen most other computer related stuff happen. Not
much I have missed.

Tony V

>computer.  Take a shop vac that blows or some compressed air and clean
things 

John,

If you blow down the inside of the computer with compressed air, put a
finger on
the fan on the CPU.  You don't want it to turn.  The compressed air can spin
up
the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.  So a DC motor being turned

externally becomes a generator, and spinning faster then design speed causes
it
to output a higher voltage than it runs on.  This overvoltage is being
applied back
to the mother board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to fail.

John

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Shop-talk [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>John T. Blair<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:55 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>While I =
see the logic in this, I have never had that thought. I have been =
working on computers for 35 years. Blown out hundreds of computers. =
Sometimes I block the fan, sometimes I don&#8217;t, but if I do it is =
only to not damage the fan and I just usually do it on Laptops as the =
fans are much more fragile.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have never =
had a computer fail to restart (which damaging the CPU would do) after =
blowing it out. My blower is super powerful and I used to use compressed =
air. I would spin those suckers right up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I would =
suspect there is a crowbar circuit in the CPU logic circuitry to prevent =
this from happening. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am not =
saying that this is not possible, just in all my years I have never seen =
it happen and I have seen most other computer related stuff happen. Not =
much I have missed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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V<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>At 10:01 PM 3/30/2016, Brian Kemp =
wrote:<br><br>&gt;John - You may have a dust problem.&nbsp; Remove the =
power cord and open the<br>&gt;computer.&nbsp; Take a shop vac that =
blows or some compressed air and clean things <br>&gt;out.&nbsp; It is =
best to do this outside.<br><br>John,<br><br>If you blow down the inside =
of the computer with compressed air, put a finger on<br>the fan on the =
CPU.&nbsp; You don't want it to turn.&nbsp; The compressed air can spin =
up<br>the fan a lot faster than it is supposed to run.&nbsp; So a DC =
motor being turned <br>externally becomes a generator, and spinning =
faster then design speed causes it<br>to output a higher voltage than it =
runs on.&nbsp; This overvoltage is being applied back<br>to the mother =
board and can back feed the CPU and cause it to =
fail.<br><br>John<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:10:52 -0400

I've heard that it can damage the bearings...though I've never really
managed to do that, that I know of...

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Tony Vaccaro <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Sometimes I block the fan, sometimes I don’t, but if I do it is only to not
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:53:49 -0500

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well, I combined all the ideas... I have verifier running... so far =
nothing found... I ran every memory checker I trust... nothing found... =
I took it outside and blew it out... wow ! then removed the memory and =
reseated it... still no problems...  ran three different virus and =
malware finders... still good to go.   It=E2=80=99s been about 17 hours =
with not a single BSOD problem.  I think with all of your help =
I=E2=80=99ve worried it into submission..... that being said .. it will =
probably lock up as I send this email...

thanks guys... helpful and informative as usual

john

From: Miq Millman=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:01 AM
To: john niolon=20
Cc: shop-talk=20
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blue screen problems... need the gurus

As others have pointed out, it looks like a memory access error, which =
would require the actual DMP file to look at, here's a link to =
discussions on the same issue:=20

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bluescreen-os-versio=
n-1760121025648/f7ff3315-7f03-48c4-95b9-644ac772b2f5?auth=3D1

http://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-support/75794-what-does-error-code-m=
ean-bccode-1000008e.html

  Problem signature:

  of course all of this is just gobblede-gook to me.   I did finally get =
it to allow me to print out the minidump and have it saved if someone =
wants to look at it
  I used to be able to read memory dumps, but that was 30 years ago with =
mainframes and cobol...  this don=E2=80=99t look like those ! =20

  any of you super guru binary/hex people give me an idea what=E2=80=99s =
blowing up my pc ???   I would certainly appreciate some guidance...  I =
can email you the dump if it helps

  thanks
  John

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<DIV>thanks guys... helpful and informative as usual</DIV>
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BlueScreen</EM></DIV>
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  <DIV><EM>&nbsp; BCP2:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FFFFFA800602A590</EM></DIV>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:24:24 -0400

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I took it outside and blew it out... wow !

If you got a lot of dust out, then overheating may have been the root
of your problem.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

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