From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 07:20:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0E72588AD9 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C86E258867D for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so29100208wic.1 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 06:12:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1OhQpyutqMZfJ7GHjhRuE1wlqiDCIxpGkCCLRJwR9f0=; b=FA+o4YDmdZNVCvY/9nVHwYb8fhoATmYfqfqAYzMa0L7UT1wuENR6Ab6mfYWrK871YJ Ct6DleQiqsStvU/NoXHd3HQJVtHWM/5WoZqNYJ/qGF4rHg8P6tMiqoDXPlJF50a28fnx H22KeVnxBLij+zCM/oiUL/vmu+O/ExnBxI31vjM5cVLnCPCuNizDYwV3xRz2KSyyxLvz JrxYmFF0VE+HIjf0ynWgS+fNHP6OCiTAaGz6ZTw1ECSf77FOhOtyADCODZoodOfRAMld Cp+vDY8kbTeKTKuvci+Ql09eWnoscAEozMmaK1Pj64PLNTn0Hq4agE56sQ542moMf2B8 ExEQ== r4mr3549491wia.70.1443705130395; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 06:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.70.161 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 06:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:12:10 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A while back I was asking about replacement bulbs or similar for the halogen shop lights. I never get more than a few hours of use of the halogen bulbs before I have to replace them. Last week I ordered one of these LED shop lights from Amazon and was pleasantly surprised at how much light it put out. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0072CK57C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 I had it sitting side by side with one of my halogen lights and I would estimate it was probably about 2/3s as bright as the halogen light. I don't know if my halogen was a 300 or 500 watt light but overall I was impressed with the LED light output. I liked it well enough that I ordered 3 more of them. I don't know how well they will stand up to abuse but I bet they won't be any worse than halogen lights. Just thought I'd pass on my observations. Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 09:36:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A23258873C for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B7D2588930 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so38260500wic.1 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mxDv0M7Zja024pqrc6XX0qNoGYbxHH0j0cUAlB6qDP0=; b=k2kvQrCTs/wyZI+D3Fecywoz4dMh50OX2FeLV4Qnm0JnoN9cSrvw75f0+Z7FcSPog3 5MVJHaC1q8MVP8GkfHWnIBn34znsFb+JPzucHlCN4ZVWNjNsPKUAkYQnK8D3F94P36EC nJgrtaYm8Tavz2uJ0R4faISlJawtHs+NLMQcRsud95tufRMr7Nqc+RoEjk1pKfUSNQ7F pD15WlevnGb3aRv+4WDqzsUSBppgUP3YEZme5v6gfKdKgr/LsXxY2WWxIajSmEFlp2G4 +ve8Ly3ON+lFpy37sqIYWpspEDZFNWL2WZNu1VBAemHtREuWVXRBCWIYFbJzkFpAZrp2 bDTw== vf8mr11143127wjc.22.1443712410064; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.134.65 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:13:30 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I sure hope there is a typo in the light's description on Amazon! It says that the lamp has 350 lumens of output. A 60-watt incandescent light bulb puts out about 800 lumens. Doug On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > A while back I was asking about replacement bulbs or similar for the > halogen shop lights. I never get more than a few hours of use of the > halogen bulbs before I have to replace them. > > Last week I ordered one of these LED shop lights from Amazon and was > pleasantly surprised at how much light it put out. > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0072CK57C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 > > I had it sitting side by side with one of my halogen lights and I would > estimate it was probably about 2/3s as bright as the halogen light. I > don't know if my halogen was a 300 or 500 watt light but overall I was > impressed with the LED light output. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 09:37:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39F42589774 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE5C2588215 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so33548651wic.0 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wO2382KoL2almCDUsNDrgln9/4DI08WBqPChvH5m0Mg=; b=Kvv8lF1P0hdm9WIafHUhkZAhNZgXpo70cN1W/QUqPyCbXrHS9fd5mE/U0YA072kyY2 aGQdU0LqExH/Extdv/2ztQ9DHq5BoI8I8OjfT+GXCgvpogPVrPvNsLcljIPAZwsH5eTf C76siqalZxVZBBEqz0uXWTgzzFTl8GygQAWdUGA2Fi6l0FDu+ufTdfCt9A0yi8nlTY53 0zXJJgX3jn+B+e9TuSodvdZgDP3+yvH00lRxV4dYUWR3I/WZ0upTu2enaoL+tUurRLB3 5EXI78xqoHRWzd4eCMKpP/e1Qqp7Oep8UIH2V8qe/6qnd1H25D9tdDKb8keVL/X2SXdO lzOg== jd20mr4253194wic.70.1443712632774; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.70.161 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:17:12 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't know if it's a typo or not. My test was to illuminate the empty generator compartment on my motorhome. I didn't notice much difference in how bright the compartment seemed for each light. Are these lights as bright as Halogen lights, no certainly not, but for what I was looking for it seemed to fill the need quite nicely. YMMV Brad On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > I sure hope there is a typo in the light's description on Amazon! It says > that the lamp has 350 lumens of output. > A 60-watt incandescent light bulb puts out about 800 lumens. > > Doug > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> A while back I was asking about replacement bulbs or similar for the >> halogen shop lights. I never get more than a few hours of use of the >> halogen bulbs before I have to replace them. >> >> Last week I ordered one of these LED shop lights from Amazon and was >> pleasantly surprised at how much light it put out. >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0072CK57C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00 >> >> I had it sitting side by side with one of my halogen lights and I would >> estimate it was probably about 2/3s as bright as the halogen light. I >> don't know if my halogen was a 300 or 500 watt light but overall I was >> impressed with the LED light output. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 09:53:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF86D2589622 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailback1.g2host.com (mailback1.g2host.com [209.98.94.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC0258840A for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [198.203.181.181] (account arvidj@visi.com) by visi.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 6.0.11) with HTTP id 3202077; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 10:25:01 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Shop Talk List" Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 10:25:01 -0500 References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 10:22:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9352588C77 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F203525896E0 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:1977] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B8/28-09644-0395D065; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:02:56 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:03:07 -0700 Thread-Index: AdD8XxW0xyKsSAI8RyqKXvz0uJpj0QAAtJtw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I sure hope there is a typo in the light's description on > Amazon! If so, it's not Amazon's typo. I found the same model at many other places, and they all list the same 350 lumens (except for one that said 300 lumens). Grainger says it only draws 6 watts, which would make the lumens/watt more or less in line with other products. http://www.grainger.com/product/DESIGNERS-EDGE-Temporary-Job-Site-Light-38EG65?functionCode=P2IDP2PCP -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 11:24:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5EA2589880 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FDE2588CE4 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:2687] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A9/83-15410-86F5D065; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:29:28 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:29:39 -0700 Thread-Index: AdD8YWMytY+sl7OpQXCdFQ5vbSfcewABBlDw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just a thought, for those with a modicum of electronic skill: http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1362&doc_id=254910 As written, the light output is probably similar to the unit we've been discussing. But I suspect it could be scaled up fairly simply to use higher current LEDs, which are still fairly inexpensive. Eg, http://tinyurl.com/pcladh7 I've got an old floor lamp that I intend to try converting some day using this technique. Mostly for fun, but might turn out to be usable. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 15:25:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E65D2589183 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f180.google.com (mail-io0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BA62584869 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iow1 with SMTP id 1so63081455iow.1 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=N168SGjPPq3Ckw7NmbUVwWp1ux9ayKPC/068z8klncU=; b=H7FDfpdnPoM1PjuvyyVetvJE88AD00/MyLUH9tEUonmuYeU/fpEsNsweAzWOf//Ln8 imR/+D2QuWtfo++XBvSfknTks/ZbZgWGJ1YVdtdyIBOlHrszDZuIuXDrxX3HYfAE3IPj qvtmZ448TqBxrFFlfaU8htKx3lTabxWvl/sJI= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N168SGjPPq3Ckw7NmbUVwWp1ux9ayKPC/068z8klncU=; b=DTcS//UYwNDhjxZbDmBgEdNSFMpPmD5WJkt/7rnjjeAAGX1787tUSDR8YZWqdHxtAF zn+64AdJrKMbXOeH4Og9fe/Kc2Bv69dbynruQumnbeP1vssL0PEoY7dpJ8SG1tVaqdVl 0BcD+RGmSHbB5XAUzAxjVNx4qu2IFC6ykUFa8HMnt8zjyAxxkZY7MEkfTiF4s9eDI6rw dIH/lwqL/9R+hGNtODiVpcEUvWXeWOva9CPgMwyUY4mzHOpYhGqMhGtiLgLVq5gPS/wl UhiffuhDMgUHwt/T1OYOfyv/HXye9GrcLqjdSydrgT3NjElvosTtgsim8FBY9pUu0cj1 lwoQ== j185mr12780237ioe.37.1443733793563; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.16.41 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 17:09:53 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Eddy current brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I'll start by saying this is not shop related, but it is similar to what is used to brake saw blades. And more importantly, until I fix it for my wife, I wont' be spending much time in the shop! We bought a commercial elliptical trainer in 2002 and it has worked flawlessly until recently when it suddenly went to full resistance. Everything appears to still work, it's just feels like it is at level 10 all the time, no matter what I set it to on the control panel. I've taken some pictures for reference. Brake - I believe is an eddy current brake that controls the resistance Controller - is the circuit board and what looks like transformer and an overall picture of the unit. Bonus, added picture of the shop I am not in, but you can see the LED replacement tube lights that I mentioned in prior posts. The dimmer units are the very old T12 FL tubes. Seem to work well, but I need to replace more of them. I've reseated all of the connections on the elliptical to no avail. I also called the manufacturer, True Fitness, and all of the electrical parts are obsolete and unavailable. I would hate to throw it away because 1) it still works, it's just set on full resistance 2) a new one will mean I don't buy toys (or more lights) for the shop for a while :) None of the capacitors appear to be leaking, which was my first thought after a loose plug. I don't believe I have the proper equipment to test further than my multi-meter. I'm guessing the circuit does pulse width modulation for the brake. For the most basic hack, I was thinking of putting a rheostat in the circuit to the brake to see if I can manually adjust the resistance. I have no idea if that would work or what to buy. There are only two leads going to what looks like a magnet that I assume is an eddy current brake. Any input is appreciated. TIA, Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 1 16:17:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2211825879D6 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975B725850DC for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([184.105.18.14]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Pxno1r0050JCzvc01xnpkW; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:47:50 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Ian McFetridge'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:47:47 -0500 Thread-Index: AdD8j8RwTnq7YV2QS6KoR0fUhm2zAgAAkzZA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eddy current brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ian, Any chance you know how the unit feels when it is turned off? It could be either fully braked or totally free. I would expect it to be free. If so the first thing I would do is to unplug the connector that connects the brake to the circuit board. If the resistance is still the same, there is a mechanical problem with the brake or a bearing around there. If it is now free, there is an electrical control problem. Capacitors go bad and it is not a big thing to just order replacements and solder them in. The problem may be in the control panel rather than on the board in the photo though. Things get more complex up there. Let me know what you find. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian McFetridge Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:10 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Eddy current brake Hi, None of the capacitors appear to be leaking, which was my first thought after a loose plug. I don't believe I have the proper equipment to test further than my multi-meter. I'm guessing the circuit does pulse width modulation for the brake. For the most basic hack, I was thinking of putting a rheostat in the circuit to the brake to see if I can manually adjust the resistance. I have no idea if that would work or what to buy. There are only two leads going to what looks like a magnet that I assume is an eddy current brake. Any input is appreciated. TIA, Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 2 21:54:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8812585D74 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204225859CB for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so52290870wic.0 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:36:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nGTgokYZTmKdC9NvhM1CBmDwDGWI/m9Z22Ceh+hl0hk=; b=kU7pyLbvLilxoHXybkPzqucp2i7FdjZ77O7tGpP0/OXQyEWGTBygsR+sBHop/Fqrjl j+scGCU1nQL9ZlcwMrIcRctCT+8ELSd6sKIR88M1dexUb7MGbsxgRAPL3NhX324anUC7 h/05YIr9yUjxfJWahyakLskMHIDaOlUDqFG4/cqD2YTJZL3VyaFbcSXxObAnPO7wPzU4 VaY7nnAeo2dB7E0yUEZxExkNhPi1MMwCrVSzVTFqWZyr5OhFyIKNv91NeuWGZKPPkCW0 zQFrr2q08QqS2sohccBX9pYuu7qA99dVMpT3DRzuvC5EKwibemmz7K/ckOZ5ANj1No/p 0FGA== qa4mr21184560wjc.145.1443843387605; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.132.197 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 22:36:27 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Probably a thing everyone already knew, except me, kitchen sink division Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net the PVC pipe used for most residential sink traps is not-quite-opaque. So if you shine a bright enough light (the 100ish lumen flashlight I carry in my pocket is good enough) on it, you can see inside, and quickly decide if the reason your sink is slow is because the trap is full of crud, or the line after it is slow, or that your venting is sub par. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 3 09:15:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11E82585CD4 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 09:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1142585B68 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:52:24 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kYzofptMnUuOn+eZlOAj2CE8GpojQil/PHNys1fXKEJOQPwn/L5mYyyzUfPu2xh9; h=Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.8.223] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiOB8-0008WR-4H for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:52:50 -0400 To: Shop Talk From: Brian Kemp Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:51:52 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: [Shop-talk] brushed vs. brushless cordless hammer drill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am in the market for a replacement hammer drill and am looking for opinions on stepping up to a brushless model. I have existing Makita 18V products and a fresh pair of 3 AH batteries, so am looking at a cordless version to be compatible. Since I have batteries and a charger, the bare drill is an option. I seem to get about 5 years out of a $30 corded Harbor Freight hammer drill, which is fair, but I'm tired of them dying when I need them. I have a Harbor Freight SDS rotary hammer drill for bigger drilling, so really just want a good drill for more precision type holes in concrete and stucco. I saw this $99 kit: Makita XPH012 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Cordless 1/2-Inch Hammer Driver-Drill Kit with One Battery http://www.amazon.com/Makita-XPH012-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Driver-Drill/dp/B00N9ULIAE/ and http://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-1-2-in-Cordless-Hammer-Driver-Drill-Kit-XPH012/205382798 It is basically a free drill, case, and newer charger for the price of a battery. Reviews are really good. I also say the $119 drill only: Makita XPH06Z 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 1/2" Hammer Driver Drill (Tool-Only) http://www.amazon.com/Makita-XPH06Z-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Tool-Only/dp/B00I30LJ6S/ and http://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-1-2-in-Cordless-Hammer-Driver-Drill-Tool-Only-XPH06Z/204961959 I like the details about the brushless motor being much better, but don't know how much of the product description is sales propaganda vs. brushless being that much better than the base model. I also like the greater torque of the brushless. I have one of the white Makita 18V drills and bog it down at times, so could use more power. I also like the Model XPH07Z with double the power, but don't want to break a wrist. Thanks for any recommendations. Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 3 10:30:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCDC2585B15 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C75258598A for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so68734188wic.0 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gUNxsRcixCoqKZUvfgRPKgLVZ7Y1ed4MLuC5VRAmZdA=; b=o3RENAZtU3ZOf4ExDnbFVyY+f6iTRnNL4B1aCD34xQpiiRDHUXALxzb1YqZ9XwZB9D kHoyhYuMK1BE+w+PE96dS3u1arC7Szd780mQ73VVsYkvKaceujiVyleQZqs4aq/zpLoq V7CXHwu1cyTBaQSWRl+ECUGZwdPjC/aB0D7Dbd5Vyzr54KFsce4AZWFDOZajHirA8Y5c lQKYa30PRNN3f92+MSE9mitX0RefDVcB7ek7pWXDzHwQmL6UrIwLG6M5wnLEVQIXWEgT MqBclVBpINWZ4PoCcl3MD3vIa8VEauTGbeevAvq5AZ0SHdLTlzNaYXgqyGIuuEGI4fev v0tg== bt1mr2939640wib.59.1443888392676; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.132.197 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <560FEB88.7030207@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:06:32 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Brian Kemp Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] brushed vs. brushless cordless hammer drill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Brian Kemp wrote: > I am in the market for a replacement hammer drill and am looking for > opinions on stepping up to a brushless model. I have existing Makita 18V > products and a fresh pair of 3 AH batteries, so am looking at a cordless > version to be compatible. Since I have batteries and a charger, the bare > drill is an option. > For $20 difference, get the brushless one. LIghter, more powerful, lasts longer. It's a hammer drill, don't over think it... -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 8 20:46:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057A425854C0 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EE32585EAD for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:31:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8BC231900 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 02:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SmIDmhrW5Oiy for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 02:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.125.131]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 665212F809F for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 02:32:23 +0000 (UTC) To: Shop Talk List From: Dave Cavanaugh Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 19:32:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: [Shop-talk] 7018 puddle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Normally I weld with 6010 or 6013, and you don't have any trouble seeing the puddle with those rods. I was practicing with some 1/8" 7018 today, and I was having a lot of trouble seeing the puddle because it seems the rod burns up into the flux coating, and the heavy flux makes it difficult to watch the puddle. I think the other problem was I was running too cold. I normally start 6010 and 6013 at around 100 amps for 1/8" rod, but I think I need to crank it up to 120 or so with 7018. Any tips on using 7018? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 14:19:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23AD25856D0 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6635C25855F1 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbbh8 with SMTP id bh8so71025114obb.0 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:19:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vHOtoVcrzrkJwUhULcOqwkYJsaOQnRHeI0MsL91rEMI=; b=sA8IF2pUFfq8LGaOu2QSxJ60BBU7xwWeTkNGwONDe2tB9F9hBW7bMooEYeALtW7Lj7 aOX6fSeQMxriPNlM8iXmMoauaAZtw0xVuMYvGkH+57PZb7X7qF8x9lXSpc1L4Vib5jiq py38sjR+oZRI4GhAH8dolDxjvucgsAdaeslYyifjT91RPwqTLHq/WQ5yBFgglxmUnPeD ycfZw4EkoWHuwHxKun+O7qUiU7kISWe5FNfMxdyvVaCB8vA6ncUdyAqxGgc6Wzc4izSF e5EGMuaje98ZjIePFsWT8wzGkcIPtEwjvGXdl74Q8NpZZxh3SM4W+Artq32FTsXw4mkI PQJQ== Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.199.202 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:19:37 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Water Barrel & Sump Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our place is on 10 acres about 35 miles NW of College Station. We decided to use rainwater collection rather than spend something in the mid $20K range to drill a well. The house has a shed roof and we built the primary collection and filter system off the back of that. it's working very well. Recently we put a roof on the front porch that added another 300 square feet of roof area, and we want to get the runoff from that into the main system. We already have guttering up and I'm thinking of taking a potable water rated barrel of 50 gallons or so and running the water through a simple screen filter going into that. Then I'll use a sump pump to get the water into the main system ahead on the first flush filters. It would be going around 20 to 25 feet and need to be pumped up to maybe 15 feet higher than it is from where it starts. Thoughts/suggestions? Figured it couldn't hurt to run the idea past the list. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 17:20:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C358C2585E07 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A06D2585D4B for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.225]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TBE51r0014s37d401BEPbi; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 23:14:23 +0000 Received: from Drews-Mac.local ([73.222.169.33]) by resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TBEN1r00A0jajWH01BENjP; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 23:14:23 +0000 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" From: Drew Rogge Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:14:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 s=q20140121; t=1444432463; bh=Ih83ZHTgLV3fdOT/H35XiLgI1z0cclNxuOAWnfLAfA0=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DUdQGaX8cHdyBoyO0D3gKKLVM0gRIEg+k6sRF4i48Nz9LsgzG/MOiINVUDzeNdHCY p9uyYePM4vT8SO2a3CQetifEDTFinuURutMaV9yIpqyQliP3iXvh2bXFN7b4eMWbSS ahWXbSsm7MgBAIpC4hklrIETRxld11S1NcBFQYMEeoYE8cvw/KVgCl8Icts4Lsf3Um wU6W4YYCCDhw1EEz2rXbHaykt6nDH1FU1/x+pcwEagzlnu/GjgdLHWMqSHpCnwyeSF v0++tZdQkdylL4AZ9XFFDWpHShBYMpadHCiwoVBTeyvaq7ixZBYdJlnojELvRZzlio rzU1LNuxI4qgw== Subject: [Shop-talk] Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All, Does anyone have any experience with the small 90 amp Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders? I'm thinking of getting one but I'm not sure if it's a total waste of money. I have a Lincoln TIG but recently had some experience with a MIG welder and found it pretty handy. Any idea how thick of metal can be welded with the 90 amp unit? Thanks, Drew -- Drew Rogge drew@dasrogges.com Phone: 8934OOO629OO4829631OOOOOOO _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 17:35:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6D12585FA1 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C432585774 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id A0A088FF25; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5B88FC0F; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:34:41 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Drew Rogge References: <56184A4F.4020008@DasRogges.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, 9 Oct 2015, Drew Rogge wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with the small 90 amp Harbor Freight flux > core MIG welders? I'm thinking of getting one but I'm not sure if it's a > total waste of money. I have a Lincoln TIG but recently had some experience > with a MIG welder and found it pretty handy. Any idea how thick of metal can > be welded with the 90 amp unit? The rule of thumb is amps * .001", so .090" would be your approximate maximum thickness with that unit. I wouldn't call it a total waste of money, but it'd have fairly limited utility for most. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 18:50:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82052585E1D for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237C42585DEE for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:42:03 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=cIwdySGYAAAA:8 a=cW4-NtOyAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=LvV9cXKxMAtSO2GTbXYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:61372] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id D8/70-27496-FFE58165; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:42:39 -0400 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" , "Dave Cavanaugh" References: <56172742.1010606@frontier.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:42:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 7018 puddle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Might find your answer here: http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/ Even if you don't, it is a useful site. He sends out weekly videos on various welding topics. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cavanaugh" To: "Shop Talk List" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:32 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] 7018 puddle > Normally I weld with 6010 or 6013, and you don't have any trouble seeing > the puddle with those rods. I was practicing with some 1/8" 7018 today, > and I was having a lot of trouble seeing the puddle because it seems the > rod burns up into the flux coating, and the heavy flux makes it difficult > to watch the puddle. I think the other problem was I was running too > cold. I normally start 6010 and 6013 at around 100 amps for 1/8" rod, but > I think I need to crank it up to 120 or so with 7018. > > Any tips on using 7018? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 19:20:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF8125862F8 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1912585B57 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.234]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TDFW1r00453iAfU01DFcfc; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:15:36 +0000 Received: from Drews-Mac.local ([73.222.169.33]) by resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TDFb1r0090jajWH01DFbu7; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:15:36 +0000 To: David Hillman References: <56184A4F.4020008@DasRogges.com> From: Drew Rogge Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:15:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 s=q20140121; t=1444439736; bh=i7xSOqAWO3ul557F4yT/2JnhiofuCYORAuOkYrbofqs=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=izzR5rvQ2663ir8AY2I98g7zmAHEJr0ebsHzDnIXZq5Bev0FO4DlQIT/vcYzESRWL zXevIxZFxhXRCtzoztiypwoqXQqvq9cCWDvTfHW+laj6L69yOYTJ8jHBL0ME1aPgcZ eNP3nQV9hEh88S7gFEMBxI6ybLym9XXaTRL8a0iRJs1iB4cZUxGPxtZ3xtWFULS5VN y+6xowIgQGDNPoxc7a8nqycgnuaYw26R9dvFqOtxBghIL5LpT3mIEbCYRMPDblBH3Z eX8WZd2l7I4kIxTWOIig/ITTBHU/h3vkBXd8CiEhXp7I73IqIbkA0PBrDZ+VSOOmrh LYTGsuqhMJVwQ== Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks David. This is pretty much the same rule I use with my TIG. On 10/9/15 4:34 PM, David Hillman wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2015, Drew Rogge wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience with the small 90 amp Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders? I'm thinking of getting one but I'm not sure if it's a total waste of money. I have a Lincoln TIG but recently had some experience with a MIG welder and found it pretty handy. Any idea how thick of metal can be welded with the 90 amp unit? > > The rule of thumb is amps * .001", so .090" would be your approximate maximum thickness with that unit. I wouldn't call it a total waste of money, but it'd have fairly limited utility for most. > > -- > David Hillman -- Drew Rogge drew@dasrogges.com Phone: 8934OOO629OO4829631OOOOOOO _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 9 19:21:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD32586511 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4449C2585B57 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.234]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TDJK1r00153iAfU01DJKpx; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:18:19 +0000 Received: from Drews-Mac.local ([73.222.169.33]) by resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id TDJJ1r00F0jajWH01DJK8l; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:18:19 +0000 To: sentenac.rw@gmail.com References: <56184A4F.4020008@DasRogges.com> From: Drew Rogge Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:18:17 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 s=q20140121; t=1444439899; bh=xbqF/pgYxw4xUXRo3S5S0M7jhiCU7Ytp99mcBnLi/Sg=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nnLQTNvKnQHBwxvpbVBolmKIhrulkVYX7c3SPOggxDd4CwsEUvweqMcoAW5tuREOn ATOeDlh/L3T/o4Ip93OnckypyPSMhqID0hkEA63qimHTWtTZsmme+U0SaQFc4awXmH HgQDLM1siZTmIhAbeSeNLet8KsdU0qxnVLHs3XWx0f7c5WXYZuGFYPDU42Ak6TVqBT 6Mgcvc0upnQejN1f6XLTDG4XhkSMEb68VrE8Uy8lSh9mNwbnq4h0T8TROs2DNT5p6c yIiopD1MTcgfvO6lCjtMFVRBlWMKx/Fwev8ULKHRHK6q5tg+b19RInJV949tj5Nh/q 62wYnnU9//CQg== Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Roland. I'm mainly interested in this for things like tacking sheet metal and welding .125 wall DOM steel and steel tubing. On 10/9/15 5:19 PM, sentenac.rw@gmail.com wrote: > Drew, > Flux core MIG welding is basically stick welding with a handy wire > feed. It is not what is usually meant by MIG. Real MIG uses > shielding gas, which is a lot cleaner, no flux to chip away between > passes. Flux core welding works well in outdoor windy conditions > where the shielding gas gets blown away before it can do its thing > (same as with TIG). > > Before you buy a flux core welder make sure that you want what it can > do. Your Lincoln TIG can probably do a better job of stick welding > than the flux core can, by the way, but the wire feed is nice. > > -Roland > > > On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:14:23 -0700, you wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone have any experience with the small 90 amp Harbor Freight flux core MIG welders? I'm thinking of getting one but I'm not sure if it's a total waste of money. I have a Lincoln TIG but recently had some experience with a MIG welder and found it pretty handy. Any idea how thick of metal can be welded with the 90 amp unit? >> >> Thanks, >> Drew -- Drew Rogge drew@dasrogges.com Phone: 8934OOO629OO4829631OOOOOOO _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 11:22:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93F825853B1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f51.google.com (mail-oi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A33258527E for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so43269398oia.3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lKiroV2hnVI5KkBKWccgShbUvuUbmLV/3PlxtuhrHEE=; b=O/4jKJ9/LA3VqygSVHpzTJbS5ccQRZafm0vlY6vemqdSHRMGzo6lx2hjCDAjCFj61r l0Sq05gl4wKMwRJ/1Mj/ZwCAC/U03oli6xEiJUxzEJ2NiQjIBkR7qNSPf2chWN7fPqSQ 6U9zB7aXpVCz/6huqCdBZfiTVXW/jDh8fAPGoEKehvOIwTM0AR+sVZlDDJaigTqosH+T CeV820nAnEuy+dAgSqYtZ2rlv/CHNfCWmx9zUX+0Cu6akfvBr+uYx7GYEEAs9s+5JHoW SBRQs36kxQJhwpglU38hZux3wFx+SDvbOQjIM3s6A+sDV5V2lqAqqByQTb3MEJUuqXAz 642A== a85mr6401715oic.90.1445268707239; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.199.209 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:31:47 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Connecting a remote tank to main system? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is pretty straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the house. Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first flush filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there models rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd throw the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. Thoughts, ideas, questions? Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 14:10:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A762587714 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAA12584873 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lfaz124 with SMTP id z124so116190775lfa.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aYU74NTGrn4ICm6En05M9OyppA/0OeGrfmghnxPQmyE=; b=w3MhsZ0mLiyNeQyXxhgL/RhXx0g2oP9G0EOBfQ/x3bNMx4l6gqlRTuOnh3FknnhT1S +ds0X7bft1TqipK4xr7TI21nEDIb4bP+qCHiSsODkVw/0igjzyacLE+iLsJKUPpRKqaG 1PPf3zT/T6EFB9+RW0fa6v3LPS3c1gGFb+66HsrpTuw8Y39hYTNzETB5eA+T5wdwqIfh dC//3AyuU9+kKmtSX3BKt7/KGcopkVj089tpDTLDEZSeD28YMkfplV+XLEuXUrLihFDn DMceDU2XHuC5uM0WVCXMc4vFoH6w8pOvF2BgOzHHAYAJAwMTkeefALF/ycN+5KOI0Sfw zuJA== hg13mr5585157wib.91.1445277437860; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.220.72 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:57:17 -0500 From: John Innis To: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Connecting a remote tank to main system? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting question. I have often wondered about using electric pumps in a rainwater collection system. From my point of view, this doesn't make sense. Or at least it would not make sense where I am. I already have a well with an electric pump that pulls filtered rainwater out of the ground. A rainwater collection system doesn't really buy me anything unless I can avoid using the pump somehow. So my system collects rainwater off the house and stores it for drip irrigation of the garden. 100% gravity fed, no pump at all. This prevents me from having to run the well pump when I want to water the garden. But as soon as I add an electric pump to the mix, it kind of looses the benefit for me. On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is pretty > straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of > initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main > filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the house. > Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I > want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. > > I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel > or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first flush > filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally > from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. > > Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there models > rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd throw > the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on > doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from > the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening > and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. > > Thoughts, ideas, questions? > > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 17:55:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB2325876BE for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f179.google.com (mail-io0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1797F2588179 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so64970969iof.2 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:30:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=b8BcfuMvTsUcw8OW/6u++VdE79L0H2FV3oGnwHuH8Kw=; b=lRf7qGqUsrs1oncEY9P/0dX8H1iZQOWi/aAQwIrT4feIRZkHt5BKS9bHFEwhVH7N5Q +Bpn70lk5d5VkVAXRcLZBHDHQxhAHTYRmFf18OveiBNLZOwumZyV8etDs0BHGlfv47Sx QTdmX0loFDdj1IbL61GwFwD4rZ2ynokFIMWC/FbyMdE/3Yj6AG/G+s04z9sEQJz7aZrO 3Nr8eS9ZnaVsdzrsqR4AzCFa2vrQCCmjhzk4/RDi9HaLy6r7qnREy9r0HcitbHC95Iwh vMYvZZ5yeGQu9zUnS4obHM5lSKLsP7V400vY5G90jZ5LjzX/Nyh0yRira+gCoCRKAyop ohvQ== a200mr10669788ioe.44.1445283035992; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.137.86 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:30:35 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Connecting a remote tank to main system? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know about sump pumps, but there's lots of choices for potable water "transfer" pumps. Northern Tool has some 12V ones pretty cheap. Head pressure was 40' or so, more than enough for what you need. Around here (Indiana) asphalt shingle roofs come pretreated with a fungicide, is that something to worry about if you capture the runoff for drinking water? Ben..... On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is pretty > straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of > initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main > filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the house. > Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I > want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. > > I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel > or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first flush > filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally > from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. > > Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there models > rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd throw > the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on > doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from > the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening > and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. > > Thoughts, ideas, questions? > > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 18:21:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0379B2587E60 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962F6258472C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbda8 with SMTP id da8so148442821obb.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:52:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iP95yqb9G/QjSLHhnhD1cd5IhqHZiHaKowH3zE3yzDc=; b=ofUsiF8zCahuS/flCTNclnB1Gg1gO1KDxVZ7PFVRgEyIL0PhZgiRnYRj6Z61JIykLx d+sdmev2biD29y4RCaDELF/wmnq1p7yqBdWEz/8R/Mb4RG1pOM3UpUEL9l3IbTslKYHT 4uDOesplWSKhI6iqspJY5FRL0Z4GxbMz4HYO59O+jDq+MaGiU7pmqzpR9UzZD/Ocb523 fSjgmIyX34RSn4AS5a09tTv88y57wmqDGNWsvO3klPC2rHCyb0aTP6yQX03WMysZYEkJ avPF65itg0LzqPrOrWrNe1ksGGUjLi9T9FVswy/uRXofNBViXbmJbC51v89uLlnpT66a PJDQ== j3mr19496211obh.1.1445284351741; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.199.209 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:52:31 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:52:31 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Connecting a remote tank to main system? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I probably should clarify that the rainwater collection setup is all that we have and that both roofs are bright aluminum corrugated sheet metal. The original system been working fine for over a year. We choose to go this route rather than spend in the mid $20K range to have a well drilled. I am finding more info online and there are a number of suppliers of components and complete systems within a couple of hours of us. Of course you can never have too much storage either. Long term I'm planning a metal shop building not too far from the house and we'll be collecting off of it, too. Probably will go with a 2550 gallon tank and a complete first flush setup, then pump from that tank into the main tank farm closer to the house as needed. Since we're roughly 25 miles NW of College Station long term freezing weather really isn't an issue which makes the whole thing much simpler. RD On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Benjamin Zwissler wrote: > I don't know about sump pumps, but there's lots of choices for potable > water "transfer" pumps. Northern Tool has some 12V ones pretty cheap. > Head pressure was 40' or so, more than enough for what you need. Around > here (Indiana) asphalt shingle roofs come pretreated with a fungicide, is > that something to worry about if you capture the runoff for drinking water? > > Ben..... > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > >> We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is >> pretty >> straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of >> initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main >> filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the >> house. >> Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I >> want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. >> >> I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel >> or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first >> flush >> filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally >> from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. >> >> Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there >> models >> rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd >> throw >> the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on >> doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from >> the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening >> and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. >> >> Thoughts, ideas, questions? >> >> Thanks, >> Ron >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 19:42:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FD32585866 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:42:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46262587FB3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9AD2C00AD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:04:50 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So I am renting a plot at a community garden around the corner. Turns out we have a bit of a rat problem. Saw one last evening while weeding my plot. Any innovative suggestions for curbing the rat population? I'd like to get a big python to slither around, but that may not be an option. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:04:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3621A2588081 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF0A2587FA6 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wikq8 with SMTP id q8so22025707wik.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:06:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YY1vJ1p5AawIfo04bEAC8eYpiYTnJXapAL2/+nmXd40=; b=YLDEpFA5NakXtQRQNDGqRexfPi+spNdXoEbJIZmoE7YlHQURMO279S54pPx2ShCfVk ahnWNMnD8dxsK1dwJSZwevy9kA01f9oBbk8kEQ2FPj8hhvtO7syy+0PqA53qIsl55cbe j83HLobvtgcaIQ6talKZfWXMjZQSr3G1DMYyBVjuDp7sfCV+tQBPRrjjQ/9F4iYTFJt1 ZrB+mMvB4vUp+YAHiZ+8bntW6b0VJ/xuDttCXB4RvVaZLvP0ZfxWFDv8Bt1yJcDrcffC +GmBN5m/iAYsIpzBlCF5R4QjCyRrIRXmetScIQuduj66yU115iiNkCx07UcoXxLC3tr2 qY4w== o4mr23008652wiz.59.1445299590033; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.132.197 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:06:29 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:06:29 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Ronnie Day , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Connecting a remote tank to main system? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is pretty > straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of > initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main > filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the house. > Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I > want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. > > I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel > or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first flush > filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally > from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. > > Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there models > rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd throw > the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on > doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from > the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening > and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. > That's well within the capabilities of a sump pump (you'd size based on the capacity in gallons per minute required; 1 inch on 300 square feet is a bit more than 180 gallons, so an inch an hour rain would require a pump that could do 3 gpm, which is 1/4 hp range, I think.). Whether you can get a sump pump that's rated for potable water, I don't know. But this seems like it would something that's common with rainwater systems, so if they're common where you are, it shouldn't be too hard to find a supply house that knows what you need. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:04:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D32525880B9 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D38E2584B4F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.241]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XCPG1r0065Clt1L01CPM23; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 00:23:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([50.168.107.76]) by resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XCPL1r0031evlWS01CPL3Z; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 00:23:21 +0000 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Mark Miller Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:23:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 s=q20140121; t=1445300601; bh=0fQpgrwU63VZG0FSsygUyC/0jRGZbYuPGrHDgo2fTxw=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:Reply-To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vJxLgR4xCR5pQlIddNzp7GNsC02VB/pPMKIVXJoRMKPBzcXe/A2rBQrxN/oXLruZI c4s+xJzOK399sFd+nNe6gb7x9UZ8Ium+ps8WeKzSPijuYpy4jt1F+Lyh5gm3iiTmRS F9t08IdDK8N8xQK20R95aDqBCFkox+nSkl8qf2e4tAzB8xUIWyq/3T+gNuJOEM5xPN rqZGCWCeT6VgUEXnt9Ay2S9tzeM1HDg23HRBjDGs0hb0HBDg55fieY5fHRAZMLfTZ6 BhpbT5IYpLAlYDSrvKGfePly6juybp3hrh9PJtchXGk7sIs1uWkT27pIIuaVsegpUM 4USpz20f9wVUw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop-talk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't seen a sump pump that was drinking water rated. Not that they aren't out there but none I've seen. If you do find one please post a link. But you could easily make it with a rated level switch: http://www.amazon.com/Float-Switch-Septic-System-Sump/dp/B0064BHEVM/ref=pd_sim_60_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0F224EFS1Q9Z1PGCS5R9&dpID=417j3p8rq5L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ and your choice of pump Regards, Mark Miller markmiller@threeboysfarm.com On 10/19/2015 11:00 AM, shop-talk-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Ronnie Day > > We're using rainwater collection at our place. The original setup is pretty > straight forward, guttering off of a shed roof with several levels of > initial filtering before the water goes into the tank farm with main > filtering and treatment between the tanks and the feed line into the house. > Recently we added an additional 300 square foot roof on the porch and I > want to collect and get the water from the porch roof into the system. > > I'm thinking I should be able to collect this water in a decorative barrel > or tank and pump it into the main line, preferably ahead of the first flush > filters. This would involve pumping the water around 35 feet horizontally > from the front of the house to the back and up maybe 12 to 15 feet. > > Shouldn't I be able to use a sump pump to accomplish this? Are there models > rated for potable water. I'm doing on-line research but I thought I'd throw > the question out to the group, too. However I accomplish this I plan on > doing something similar on a large shop I'll have built not too far from > the house. Collect the water in a smaller tank using a series of screening > and filtering methods, then pump it into the main tanks. > > Thoughts, ideas, questions? > > Thanks, > Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:05:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A538125880E7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BAD2585B27 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwb3 with SMTP id wb3so2629934obb.0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:44:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=imgm2dw1mKjuSVPe8e1aihS+w+y80qseS7XSQYjIUag=; b=be5dAH2TeFDToLPdX970977tM42c1FNbU674POTX+DpikojINz5w7WwF8PG8QOgvfT 4craH3DnN2AITM0kT7kPeAPh8hRZ4oa0v9pKxu1hyaKSdnYKOksLHnLnoGvtr5/6hING SMvCSFY1hV7shCbwHSQwVIR/4ldiPLhb6lXX2obGhpmyEeMNlPLAd1WJXb8hgYnXs4l2 AEW09O1x1+KMAayj7BG+ZDOoDXUI91qo7h1FlDdldiQrNTx+EgfWBDtSEMokUnsKIfe6 oUul+k8o2mynMCZgckpWNQQm5a3+BiHsPUDSGCApzQCmlEcoyiPI3UrqIvqVEkUPUHn5 Qdxg== t10mr307098oei.66.1445305472509; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.91.86 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.91.86 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:44:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:44:31 -0500 From: Scott Hall To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rat terrier, or cats. On Oct 19, 2015 8:43 PM, "Mark J Bradakis" wrote: > So I am renting a plot at a community garden around the corner. Turns out > we have a bit of a rat problem. > Saw one last evening while weeding my plot. Any innovative suggestions for > curbing the rat population? > I'd like to get a big python to slither around, but that may not be an > option. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:05:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994A925880FE for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E7625859E3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AMILAPTOP3 (pool-72-65-56-81.bflony.fios.verizon.net [72.65.56.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 559EFF1DD5; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:46:04 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHRCtjenh4p0lt99kGBzqQmSMPHX55znF1A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ultrasonics but I don't know how you would power them. -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:05 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Rats! So I am renting a plot at a community garden around the corner. Turns out we have a bit of a rat problem. Saw one last evening while weeding my plot. Any innovative suggestions for curbing the rat population? I'd like to get a big python to slither around, but that may not be an option. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:16:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4132588077 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F280D2587ADF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6939D93C49 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F1293C47 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:12:14 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark wrote: >So I am renting a plot at a community garden around the corner. Turns out >we have a bit of a rat problem. >Saw one last evening while weeding my plot. Any innovative suggestions for >curbing the rat population? >I'd like to get a big python to slither around, but that may not be an option. http://doityourselfpestcontrol.com/ I have the Protecta Bait stations with Contrac Blox bait. The stations keep the bait away from kids and pets. The bait kills 'em deader than a doornail. One feeding does it, turns my property into a dead zone - rats show up, never to come back. And I don't have to deal with seeing dead rats or disposing of them - they die out of my sight. Contrac Blox is only available on the site in 18lb buckets. Federal law restricts sale of the 4lb pails, but there are sellers on eBay that'll sell them anyway. 4lbs lasts me for more than a year, with 6 stations around my house. There are other baits available that can be sold in 4lb pails. If you don't like poisoning the bastards, the stations will take a certain brand of reusable snap traps. I like the bait because a trap only gets one rat, the bait keeps working 24/7 killing everyone that shows up. Todd the rat killer _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:20:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179CF258813A for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E91025880EE for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP214 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:21:34 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:21:30 -0700 Thread-Index: AdEK2KeC/Xno0CotQDiwGp3LWzVDRQAA9DLg FILETIME=[09891010:01D10ADE] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Cats! Seriously, traps are the way to go if you can place them to avoid pets and kids. In the neighborhood you need to avoid poisons especially with pets and kids around. You may be successful with the humane non-lethal kind. You can always lethal-ize them later on. A developer took down and greenhouse and sheep pasture a few years back and we had an immediate infestation in the house. I placed traps and used cheese, salami and some other foods. The salami traps accounted for 80% of the kills, sometimes three times a day, so that is what I suggest as non-poison bait. Mark, are the rats causing an issue in the garden or just present? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:05 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Rats! So I am renting a plot at a community garden around the corner. Turns out we have a bit of a rat problem. Saw one last evening while weeding my plot. Any innovative suggestions for curbing the rat population? I'd like to get a big python to slither around, but that may not be an option. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 20:37:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5696B25881F1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEEB2587EDB for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicfx6 with SMTP id fx6so24818318wic.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UN6RKZQtark5abMv2aSd1ygnqSZPL4gCD4e2cYF+Ack=; b=hEER2zbi0kSDc0SPZNAAo/+IG4a3A8xAARM01J8IA01qjr8CfxSG7aIzP4isnMhgMV c3MDP7WArnaZ9dYcxilR7F/m55zjokLsndBMSFZ3HYaD2jdEHFu1ZIyDgGyCLQMT7soL z8W7PK8btJiCq7cvWbjsw8ZtuIyab05uFq+iVgpGmS7caK6zY15Y6V52r6sCcNZIp7mQ dm3VV9juUyw6v7hizTXblBFxEjYqKwBjOJiUwAcw4yHdq1upR6K59pT9XzKN1kIaIDie l+Eue89HSOy+wWhWUP6YERbZOG8yg61r71hmMwQ+tIR0MO4JoJ77pm1Ut/jSAlu/kfqw rgmQ== as5mr657580wjc.137.1445308643138; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.194.67 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:37:23 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Jack Brooks Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Do rats eat vegetables? Or are they essentially bald-tailed squirrels? Where I live, the deer eat most of the vegetables... Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 21:25:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120B7258826F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD4C258816F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicll6 with SMTP id ll6so8494297wic.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:24:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lK0s9091OYNoik/ToRbsZ/H+3hKu3t9RDo5CsarmJ/E=; b=oW/lz4v6APjV58G3B5sfuVTrjIEQ5MOipFEK0D3KqHB8jqZq4r5TZ68YHIhdsYtTP9 aQhUhkluL1mjpJDRvjgHvO9iWLRiesiIdkTRvtD/QKpa+O3GFcYq/Qc7HkdjSwys2BWg BfEyWaPmDsiwEgE4ZiI6Tu3jBB7dBW5dGLYo9Y01l15tWnGEI+/LF+1dM2Z1gb0AKJGM 9lmMn9Ne7u/si0nHpnKfxHb0IGVcl+aSPgj6/YoL56ma57zo/8LK4BYc7/Jwn0b9TR5a m/ovp/F9G8wfZNxENaTdpcBixQ6RDt022aeT8dy+wFQtM83b005xAJmfV/SdjI5XSued Gu1g== qs8mr944183wjc.145.1445311444602; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.132.197 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:24:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20151019185844.01fd2b60@mail.avvanta.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:24:04 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Todd Walke , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Todd Walke wrote: > > Contrac Blox is only available on the site in 18lb buckets. Federal > law restricts sale of the 4lb pails, but there are sellers on eBay that'll > sell them anyway. 4lbs lasts me for more than a year, with 6 stations > around my house. There are other baits available that can be sold in 4lb > pails. Is there a reason for that? That seems sort of nuts. I can buy 16 pounds of the stuff, but not 4? Having to drop 80 bucks instead of 20 is going to keep me from using it wrong? -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 21:56:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD542588330 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F9D2588231 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5BC276D64 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030A6276D62 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:43:11 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20151019185844.01fd2b60@mail.avvanta.com> <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20151019185844.01fd2b60@mail.avvanta.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David wrote: >Is there a reason for that? That seems sort of nuts. I can buy 16 >pounds of the stuff, but not 4? Having to drop 80 bucks instead of 20 >is going to keep me from using it wrong? It's the Feds, nothing they do makes sense. Probably just a bunch of ineffectual middle management suckups sitting around making new regs just to justify their paychecks. All it said on the site was "Due to the EPA regulations passed on June 4, 2011, Contrac Blox can now only be sold in at least 16 pounds, which is why we have to sell the 4lb pail by the case." I get my 4lb pails on eBay, or there are other baits that can be sold in smaller quanitities. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 538,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 19 22:33:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125C42587FD7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004162587F4A for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wicfv8 with SMTP id fv8so9849415wic.0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:31:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q76Qs1JJK3wWOjc6B4/OIsosh+tFOnVAHSHfaEcBKrM=; b=RmKx2Gasf67XQz3BuNnRLuQMxM3fpcg4mJqx/CwTbwL7Fh4+3u40jN9Y7j3Ivju/5v o3ELMRUvduZfXfPBYElrTiapaMF62pIptodyZfuzP6RFht2PxIPgph2ScUR3lEmUgiIm l4qBjXgxYb1G5OazXf+clCF3MvmIIfVxS3cuy2J0t+TzVc8LMRmi3GdkzycyWMmLNhI6 Cv78xILWmuD5EvNRn2t/qrHiPBsJ7E+xu/CuesEPry9JZG7Syy0IZKaUaipTZgz52Hwf h52SqYmiNwjgtqy269vTN0O8d32FezbOrjFwhCAG6QQ1MUMKGg5GqoebmUlRslJBpw9H OuqQ== o10mr1090567wjx.31.1445315482745; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.132.197 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:31:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <56255AF2.2020209@bradakis.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20151019185844.01fd2b60@mail.avvanta.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:31:22 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rats! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Todd Walke wrote: > >> >> Contrac Blox is only available on the site in 18lb buckets. Federal >> law restricts sale of the 4lb pails, but there are sellers on eBay that'll >> sell them anyway. 4lbs lasts me for more than a year, with 6 stations >> around my house. There are other baits available that can be sold in 4lb >> pails. > > Is there a reason for that? That seems sort of nuts. I can buy 16 > pounds of the stuff, but not 4? Having to drop 80 bucks instead of 20 > is going to keep me from using it wrong? > So I found the regulation in question: http://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=EPA-HQ-OPP-2006-0955-0 764&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf which says, among much else, b" To reduce wildlife exposures and ecological risks, the Agency will require sale and distribution limits intended to prevent general consumers from purchasing residential use bait products containing four of the ten rodenticides that pose the greatest risk to wildlife (the second generation anticoagulants b brodifacoum, bromadiolone, difenacoum, and difethialone). Moreover, bait stations will be required for all outdoor, above-ground uses of these second generation- anticoagulants. there's also discussion that you're not going to be able to get it the grocery store or hardware store because they won't stock stuff that big, and that agricultural and industrial users will have access to them. Not at all incidentally, the same RMD prohibits non-professional use in residential settings. (The concern is that the vermin will eat super-lethal doses, and then be eaten by something else, and that something else is poisoned. That's not considered a risk in other settings because of greater availability of other food sources.) -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 22 15:02:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD2F2580648 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.185.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D2025854E4 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NWN00A0H3I4G340@nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:56:30 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2015-10-22_15:,, signatures=0 kscore.is_bulkscore=0 kscore.compositescore=1 compositescore=0.9 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 kscore.is_spamscore=0 rbsscore=0 spamscore=0 urlsuspectscore=0.9 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510090000 definitions=main-1510220350 From: Robert nogueira Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:56:29 -0500 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Top Gear Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just heard that Amazon has hired the the three Presenters from the former British TV show Top Gear and will be producing a new show for its online Amazon Prime video service. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 11:59:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C365025877A5 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4EBB25857C9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:49:23 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1445881811; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=gX8kxaD/uGxXTlq+vJZb9qmMWSHAe3dHYr03yW/s1tgCKNaMTt9PDM1MUL0et1wVw AWQvN39kQgz+ySF+6YiUIPDs9uBXzLcbR1xCijw7ONBbn388AbS3wRoDloX9d92gIN 6maQTQ82S/+Rco/AWHtBciXlw+0s0cyXvutpB+oY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABMC638QACWVRW2 for (sender ); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:49:17 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:49:17 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This may ultimately result in getting wifi out in the shop...I recall previous discussion on this but didn't save it. The wife is kicking my workstation out of the kitchen and into an office on the second floor.Our cable comes into the house in the kitchen and the cable modem is there with our current router.I am planning to buy a box of cable and fish some 5e up to connect the computer - less than 50 feet.It occurs to me that I have a couple of old b/g routers available, can I simply daisy chain them with the same SSID & password?If so, I think I will run a longer cable (100') and put a router out on the gable end - that should provide plenty of signal in the shop. Any thoughts or guidance? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 17:17:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D7E25879CC for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f48.google.com (mail-qg0-f48.google.com [209.85.192.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455A25858A4 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qgad10 with SMTP id d10so133178362qga.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:17:42 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=BNAy42PkdO1ZztnZjDSqFuhDrEjImUCWfmpuipwzdyc=; b=UNWFDKt/IjBw6RazHkcAMy2S+f7sou3Ad4pCeDY+4E30Jqp3BMac8iW/NJBxPvdRba B1Ni0NVYWCCrVL8WrSzV26CuUUF/CgnxyxqHsx1DkeMpnRxVBNyf2pWBWoRzEDqn0HL2 8e+oG2Z0QUrSc6LYUuvh0hfIUyVAkf0zYtQZgfw3AFWfl6UmR6pIXxvQV8bAHeUXI9u9 I+de96u+QPZisVsQYlIRoK7+hPPmiLsFZC218CFIkoNkJf+3M3MXBZ417WuWXucDdoP2 qYPx5bNS12iaqzVlYWggSzFZ0r4B+0K4SyLtA05OogkTSodHZbgKZL1YtdXBU2Ryk+Tc oT3g== 96mr5704145qgc.34.1445901461667; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (ool-457e068c.dyn.optonline.net. [69.126.6.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b63sm2313947qka.31.2015.10.26.16.17.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:17:38 -0400 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Mouse traps/poison Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I keep a couple of mousetraps locked and loaded at all times in my basement/garage (old ranch house that basically has a drive-in basement). I rarely catch anything during warm weather, but probably get 3-4 mice/week when it is cold out. With fall just coming to Long Island, I am catching about 1 per week at the moment. The traps work well overall and are pretty simple to use: I just toss the dead mice in the field across the street, re-set the trap and wait for the next one. The fact that I have never seen any evidence of them in the living quarters suggest to me that I have been successful at keeping them from settling in. However, I am shortly going to be leaving town for a couple of weeks and donbt want to leave the traps set while I am gone, least I return to a rotting mess. On the other hand, I am not wild about leaving the house bunprotectedb either. That leaves two options, at least as far as I know: nothing or poison. I have been afraid of mouse poison ever since a friend of mine had one die inside the wall of his house, although that was a long time ago. I understand that the poison is supposed to send them outside to seek water, but canbt imagine that is foolproof. Am I worrying too much about a problem a neighbor had decades ago? Does anyone here have recent positive or negative experience with poison, or other recommendations for me? Thanks. Jim p.s. My shop is currently in the basement. J _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 17:46:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2633B2587B5B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (unknown [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90CE25855E1 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.pops.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5AE276CB6 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4098F276CCE for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:42:09 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke localhost.pops.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mouse traps/poison Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In case you didn't see my post of couple of days ago about rats: http://doityourselfpestcontrol.com/ I have the Protecta Bait stations with Contrac Blox bait. The stations keep the bait away from kids and pets. The bait kills 'em deader than a doornail. One feeding does it, turns my property into a dead zone - rats show up, never to come back. And I don't have to deal with seeing dead rats or disposing of them - they die out of my sight. Contrac Blox is only available on the site in 18lb buckets. Federal law restricts sale of the 4lb pails, but there are sellers on eBay that'll sell them anyway. 4lbs lasts me for more than a year, with 6 stations around my house. There are other baits available that can be sold in 4lb pails. Most baits have a small risk of secondary poisoning (cat/dog eating a dead mouse). Typically, there is a time window for treatment, with many antidotes easily available at a vet. If you don't like poisoning the bastards, the stations will take a certain brand of reusable snap traps. I like the bait because a trap only gets one rat, the bait keeps working 24/7 killing everyone that shows up. Twice in 7 years I've actually seen a dead rat in the garage. Mostly they eat the bait, go home to their burrow and die there, many times feeding bait to their young which kills them too. The site also has "multiple catch" traps. Basically, it's box that mice get into and can't get out of. They'll catch a dozen or more at a time. They also have glue boards, live catch traps, disposable traps, etc. All sort of great stuff for killing rodents and many other pests too. Todd the rat killer _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 18:01:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFA425853AB for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S26.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s26.hotmail.com [65.55.111.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8402587907 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP213 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S26.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:51:55 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <20151026.134917.18934.4@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:51:50 -0700 Thread-Index: AdEQGBgYk1brFxPkR6uMebAj9XrWmgAL91WQ FILETIME=[49F07F10:01D11049] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, I am no expert, but I was working through the same issue, as I had another router (/Belkin) lying around. What I determined, with their tech support, was that you can program the second router with the same SSID/password, but when you are connected to one router and move to another area, your device will likely "hold onto" the first router as the signal gets weaker and weaker until the signal is lost. It will then seek and find the closer router. The path they suggested was to purchase a range extender instead. I chose not to do this, as I was looking to use the spare equipment to improve the marginal signal in one small area and it was not worth the money to buy a new device. I am sure someone with real knowledge will chime in shortly, Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:49 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] network mechanics This may ultimately result in getting wifi out in the shop...I recall previous discussion on this but didn't save it. The wife is kicking my workstation out of the kitchen and into an office on the second floor.Our cable comes into the house in the kitchen and the cable modem is there with our current router.I am planning to buy a box of cable and fish some 5e up to connect the computer - less than 50 feet.It occurs to me that I have a couple of old b/g routers available, can I simply daisy chain them with the same SSID & password?If so, I think I will run a longer cable (100') and put a router out on the gable end - that should provide plenty of signal in the shop. Any thoughts or guidance? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 18:15:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC62585C20 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21B92585620 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AMILAPTOP3 (pool-72-65-56-81.bflony.fios.verizon.net [72.65.56.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF69FF1E0C; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Jack Brooks'" , References: <20151026.134917.18934.4@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:08:57 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHREBgv0aB4HSnki0CI96kxBzg5Sp5+cl8AgAADX2A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, I do this all day every day. What you want is Ubiquiti UniFi Long Range Access Point Get it Amazon or Newegg. We install a lot of these and the range is unbelievable. Use your router for wired and disable the wireless. Then use the Unifi for your wireless. Plus they have a lot of cool new products for transmitting wireless signals over distance. Great product. In the past year we have installed more than 75 of these. Tony Vaccaro www.lotusowners.com -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:52 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Matt, I am no expert, but I was working through the same issue, as I had another router (/Belkin) lying around. What I determined, with their tech support, was that you can program the second router with the same SSID/password, but when you are connected to one router and move to another area, your device will likely "hold onto" the first router as the signal gets weaker and weaker until the signal is lost. It will then seek and find the closer router. The path they suggested was to purchase a range extender instead. I chose not to do this, as I was looking to use the spare equipment to improve the marginal signal in one small area and it was not worth the money to buy a new device. I am sure someone with real knowledge will chime in shortly, Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:49 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] network mechanics This may ultimately result in getting wifi out in the shop...I recall previous discussion on this but didn't save it. The wife is kicking my workstation out of the kitchen and into an office on the second floor.Our cable comes into the house in the kitchen and the cable modem is there with our current router.I am planning to buy a box of cable and fish some 5e up to connect the computer - less than 50 feet.It occurs to me that I have a couple of old b/g routers available, can I simply daisy chain them with the same SSID & password?If so, I think I will run a longer cable (100') and put a router out on the gable end - that should provide plenty of signal in the shop. Any thoughts or guidance? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 18:30:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA13525857B2 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org (unknown [140.186.190.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583D52584E28 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8810028A43 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (haybaler.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HfCqPgRXL6O for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5AB9928A36; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cpe-74-138-152-195.kya.res.rr.com [74.138.152.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2542628426 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20151026.134917.18934.4@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> From: Jimmie Mayfield Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There shouldn't be any problems with multiple access points on the same network with the same SSID/password. Just make sure you configure the additional devices to operate as access points and not routers (you don't want multiple routers handing out IP addresses). Modern WIFI clients are smart enough to seamlessly switch between access points as you move around your house/yard/workshop (not unlike the way your cellphone (generally) seamlessly switches between towers). You mentioned using some old B/G routers as your access points. That's fine. I assume this means that you've upgraded your network to N or one of the newer ACxxxx flavors. If that's the case then be aware that mixing 2.4ghz B/G devices and 2.4ghz N devices on the same network can cause performance problems (obviously anything operating on 5ghz frequencies will be unaffected). Whether or not you'll be affected by this depends on the client devices you'll be using (phones, tablets, laptops, etc) and what kind of network activity they perform. If your devices are just checking mail for the most part then you probably won't notice. If you're streaming video, then you might need to rethink things. (By the way, if your B/G routers are old, you might want to check if there exists a third party firmware image from the likes of DD-WRT, OpenWRT or Tomato. These firmwares tend to be far more full-featured and more secure than OEM.) On 10/26/15 13:49, Matt wrote: > This may ultimately result in getting wifi out in the shop...I recall > previous discussion on this but didn't save it. The wife is kicking my > workstation out of the kitchen and into an office on the second floor.Our > cable comes into the house in the kitchen and the cable modem is there with > our current router.I am planning to buy a box of cable and fish some 5e up to > connect the computer - less than 50 feet.It occurs to me that I have a couple > of old b/g routers available, can I simply daisy chain them with the same SSID > & password?If so, I think I will run a longer cable (100') and put a router > out on the gable end - that should provide plenty of signal in the shop. Any > thoughts or guidance? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 18:30:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3E92586074 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119932584E28 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:24:44 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:59:59 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/26/2015 19:59:42, Serialize complete at 10/26/2015 19:59:43, Serialize by Router on DOGBERT2/Megageek(Release 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/26/2015 19:59:43 Subject: [Shop-talk] Poisons and mice/rats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I can't say enough good stuff about "TomCat" baits. I get them at Tractor Supply. They are green blocks that go in bait stations, but since I only put them in attics/basements/garages without any animals, I just chuck them in corners or behind things. Takes care of the problem. I never had anything die inside a wall. Note, I do have stay cats and house cats that never had any problem with this method. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 20:03:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281CD258634D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83B025860B7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qgeo38 with SMTP id o38so136537589qge.0 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=1G7JBsUpYrQ5d6sORWcHgEzkgbP7hyKeck0Qch9zC6s=; b=xlvLjM+PYxDaEJs2EelQnQd6sEnm+GG86ka6U5xlqEalkqlH5rPnUUYu6Bs05aWhDy Oav9oULC5Mmx5+sASNWXCufUZ+ye16UI0PrZ/Cp6pGA93U8JHkIUntG8AIRMZI3k9aJo SFipr2PO/uDFCvLJcNBicGFWEKqHrvTY+xe5FZkoOxDoYKt42f14Qel0vypI8UMMerOu cFEOpdxiPnyeudjTyE6kunY4c+p3IJkfXU27THLzekrTJh+nPM9JmA8XuhLLwX76iONF XcQ/F8jj0Nx4C0eEFOzHclinvtw4lyj2TQ28/Vms1JBbf6GpjZY7oT7yUDONTfihZvri MKFQ== x193mr35632747qha.71.1445911459304; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (ool-457e068c.dyn.optonline.net. [69.126.6.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3sm14164081qha.0.2015.10.26.19.04.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 22:04:17 -0400 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Poisons and mice/rats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Eric. It is good to hear from someone who has had positive experience with a readily available alternative. We are currently pet-less, so that makes things easier. And thanks also, Todd. I had seen your post earlier about rat control, but didnbt think it was relevant, as I wasnbt planning on trying to eliminate them before they came in the house. However, I just took at look at doyourownpestcontrol.com and see that there is a wealth of information there that can help. I will spend a little time reviewing what is there and either go with one of their solutions or simply pick up some of the TomCat bait. Either way, the house should be well protected when webre gone! Thanks again, Jim > On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:59 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > I can't say enough good stuff about "TomCat" baits. I get them at Tractor Supply. > > They are green blocks that go in bait stations, but since I only put them in attics/basements/garages without any animals, I just chuck them in corners or behind things. > > Takes care of the problem. I never had anything die inside a wall. > > Note, I do have stay cats and house cats that never had any problem with this method. > > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 20:20:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D362587642 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C20E2585DE7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:4917] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 33/8D-06182-F9FDE265; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 02:21:20 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:21:21 -0700 Thread-Index: AdEQTt/gcZWF+EmvSsOdakm7C3HP5QADWx5Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Poisons and mice/rats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I can't say enough good stuff about "TomCat" baits. I get > them at Tractor > Supply. > > They are green blocks that go in bait stations, but since I > only put them > in attics/basements/garages without any animals, I just chuck them in > corners or behind things. > > Takes care of the problem. I never had anything die inside a wall. Me too. But they weren't in the walls, just the attic and garage and sheds. Probably roof rats instead of Norway rats. I did find one in a cardboard box in the garage, where it had made a nest in a carpet kit for my old Triumph. Didn't matter, the carpet was already ruined by the rat, even before it died. Haven't seen any signs of another rat since putting out the TomCat baits, though. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 26 22:16:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F13C2585F52 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 22:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s35.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C512585F16 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 22:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP232 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:12:52 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <20151026.134917.18934.4@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> <000101d1104b$ad584590$0808d0b0$@lotusowners.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:12:43 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHREBgv0aB4HSnki0CI96kxBzg5Sp5+cl8AgAADX2CAAERWkA== FILETIME=[BE58DEF0:01D1106D] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, Have you found a similar device for 802.11AC? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Tony Vaccaro [mailto:tvacc@lotusowners.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: 'Jack Brooks'; shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Guys, I do this all day every day. What you want is Ubiquiti UniFi Long Range Access Point Get it Amazon or Newegg. We install a lot of these and the range is unbelievable. Use your router for wired and disable the wireless. Then use the Unifi for your wireless. Plus they have a lot of cool new products for transmitting wireless signals over distance. Great product. In the past year we have installed more than 75 of these. Tony Vaccaro www.lotusowners.com -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:52 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Matt, I am no expert, but I was working through the same issue, as I had another router (/Belkin) lying around. What I determined, with their tech support, was that you can program the second router with the same SSID/password, but when you are connected to one router and move to another area, your device will likely "hold onto" the first router as the signal gets weaker and weaker until the signal is lost. It will then seek and find the closer router. The path they suggested was to purchase a range extender instead. I chose not to do this, as I was looking to use the spare equipment to improve the marginal signal in one small area and it was not worth the money to buy a new device. I am sure someone with real knowledge will chime in shortly, Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:49 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] network mechanics This may ultimately result in getting wifi out in the shop...I recall previous discussion on this but didn't save it. The wife is kicking my workstation out of the kitchen and into an office on the second floor.Our cable comes into the house in the kitchen and the cable modem is there with our current router.I am planning to buy a box of cable and fish some 5e up to connect the computer - less than 50 feet.It occurs to me that I have a couple of old b/g routers available, can I simply daisy chain them with the same SSID & password?If so, I think I will run a longer cable (100') and put a router out on the gable end - that should provide plenty of signal in the shop. Any thoughts or guidance? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 27 16:05:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB46E2585576 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881C0258557A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aN0R1r0082Fh1PH01N0zr8; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:00:59 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.179] ([68.61.187.195]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aN0y1r00P4DNuTG01N0zeR; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:00:59 +0000 To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>, Shop Talk From: Gordie Bird Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:00:59 -0400 References: s=q20140121; t=1445983259; bh=lAEieLAsl28cPT3ja2l5fBcgZ4yOMV7l4vn5OejtJbU=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=YgAhyhL5VjocLKxTxtSpmBk5ZWrtWhXYyzACnyPjqGyrDKKFgTV7txzOM07AteN0o 0ItwxceExw9OAovPUmWELPSeWejbNm3lk2ZepfreLQGUERPQo1D0edCQtu3gn62BzY AhgiXEjDwz48//PDOVsfwGshJAI5oBRma70eUEk1l9nzAm91nHm4MLKzzGASGXS9Ln TTZR5zewOxf95c2xrlCSmanCPa/XWtfMzFqVFGG6u4aNeJQRZ7Fv81x69bVN+ONHby 6pcCWuFgkK2n3w4EtoMjEn/y95g+/7nU+mmXkoAcs9NanZkLOYuGrtr4d8Bef84pds qqwbRS1mV2uFQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mouse traps/poison Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought the lifetime supply of Contrac (18# pail) a few years ago and have made sure my (heated) garage is well baited in the corners and along walls where nothing but mice have seen for a decade. Ibve not seen a mouse, nor had any smells, but have noticed bait blocks mostly eaten. Bait is not accessible to my large dogs and I watch them carefully when we are in or around the garage, theybve shown no interest in baited areas. No signs of mice anywhere in house or garage (except for eaten bait blocks in garage), including in my winter stored MGA. What prompted my purchase of the pail is having my AC fail in 90* weather only to find mama mouse laid out across the terminals of the start/run capacitor for the motor. Block placed in elec box (with new cap) has prevented further inhabitants. IMO properly placed bait blocks would be the solution. Just my experience, hth. gb From: Jim Stone Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:27 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Mouse traps/poison I keep a couple of mousetraps locked and loaded at all times in my basement/garage (old ranch house that basically has a drive-in basement). I rarely catch anything during warm weather, but probably get 3-4 mice/week when it is cold out. With fall just coming to Long Island, I am catching about 1 per week at the moment. The traps work well overall and are pretty simple to use: I just toss the dead mice in the field across the street, re-set the trap and wait for the next one. The fact that I have never seen any evidence of them in the living quarters suggest to me that I have been successful at keeping them from settling in. However, I am shortly going to be leaving town for a couple of weeks and donbt want to leave the traps set while I am gone, least I return to a rotting mess. On the other hand, I am not wild about leaving the house bunprotectedb either. That leaves two options, at least as far as I know: nothing or poison. I have been afraid of mouse poison ever since a friend of mine had one die inside the wall of his house, although that was a long time ago. I understand that the poison is supposed to send them outside to seek water, but canbt imagine that is foolproof. Am I worrying too much about a problem a neighbor had decades ago? Does anyone here have recent positive or negative experience with poison, or other recommendations for me? Thanks. Jim p.s. My shop is currently in the basement. 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[205.178.103.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yq9sm9054697igb.6.2015.10.27.16.44.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:44:10 -0500 References: <20151026.134917.18934.4@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> <000101d1104b$ad584590$0808d0b0$@lotusowners.com> To: Jack Brooks Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] network mechanics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On Oct 26, 2015, at 23:12, Jack Brooks wrote: > > Tony, > > Have you found a similar device for 802.11AC? > > Jack Ubiqti have announced new 802.11ac products. I don't know if they are available yet or not. Their previous ac stuff was overpriced and underperforming. If the new stuff works as well, it'll be a good deal. We have Ubiqti stuff at work. It just works, and forms a proper mesh, where a device can move from one ap to another seamlessly. It's trivial to add or remove aps or change network configuration. There's a Java control app that you use for that, it doesn't need to run all the time unless you want to use some of the advanced access control stuff. It makes it clear what crap consumer grade wifi stuff is > > -----Original Message----- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 27 18:49:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0382584AF1 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (unknown [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBEC258548B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACDE93C43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D299493C2E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:30:33 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mouse traps/poison Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gordie wrote: >What prompted my purchase of the pail is having my AC fail in 90* weather only >to find mama mouse laid out across the terminals of the start/run capacitor >for the motor. That's similar to what prompted me to start baiting. I started see rat poop on the engine cover of my car. With a modern car and it's reliance on electronics, chewed up wiring is Very Bad Indeed. That was the idea behind placing bait station around the house - to make the property a dead zone for rodents. Any that wander over from the neighbors find some tasty treats laid out for them and it's goodbye rat. Here's one trick I used to keep them out of my car. Some bait comes in "place packs". These are small paper envelopes filled with an ounce or two of bait pellets. The paper is permeable so the rodents can smell the bait. The packs are intended to allow you to place bait in areas not easily reachable. For example, you could place them in an attic or crawlspace by just flinging them into the area. I taped one to my engine cover so that the rat that was hanging out under the hood would be sure to find it. I checked it every morning. If the pack was untouched, I left it on and drove around with it still attached. If it was chewed, I removed the pack so pellets weren't getting all over the place. That worked great until the bait stations were being used regularly and wiped out the local colony. If I see any rat poop since, I do the place packs for a week or so just to make sure I get 'em. Todd the rat killer _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 14:15:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F037E258567C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D099F2585307 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:15:28 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1446236180; bh=ai8bIF++lH1lZQatUyodQPLCoZWsCOGmTddhqodvbrg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=tbK6pz4dJ1cWPomJuyaaA5JDtFAuaIWLuBoeiFHrPnM9EO8hZ+zGmI2qRUSacevItpbj3BFnqEybzhYZYMzeU5EjzMmWa1e9VVF7T4HNgp91R/eRKDrRmLtr5G+Ier/07k7r4Qwv6UlZvf1mtLonTVdTmt+94zPWjf3pXQM3KdU= Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2015 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.119] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2015 20:16:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2015 20:16:19 -0000 Cid8nhwaOaburf4UplKSjFjG_HLeY6ukCyvU6UfsegDHvUocZrO1XGdEB5mW XK0wPcOfNZnxzwYLIniJPwSGmUqSvf7vjumYEEbRbLvYuiI9slPy_q_cQ5sA xW.C6e7sJpE0BdqyoDdO14z2BmvW4VcF5VhHqvhX1sy1CU6V8q6BXweCxMNA A4V5kpVYRY59nfLcTAUWM1yU7H7anxsifSZQ0mnLnpoNYDkJgK4vAUZlBvoX gtmpA7SgCBgzQmIA__b45TkwXUl1cEMnRYIDF._Di1ekj61MUnNijGc.B1s8 snmGJCckGL4VtuE0bhHtU0jxZG81Iikj.WWQV9w1Oz_qKZ1draSUNIz7D78O 7AJ2gD8xZ7TSqS8pXdjPKDwRAhjmJu5LiMQLnpbElll3IMY77uTh6BOZyQ3i p3URYRlouQxB32H6sVgXFvLeZnSFRKNrdjJPrOP0_itpnogyxTnYmFf7n9ij HAhZqaioGA42l8G3vcNqVkGcccDzgs2N5xXQ_Hhjr1A-- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net need some email/internet gurus help here.........over the last month Ibve started getting a mess of spam email... I know I picked this up somewhere but that doesnbt matter now there are offers from Italy vacations, Jet rentals, suv bargains, dental implants, medicare plans, voip phone services etc even an .eu domain telling me my local drug store points are going to expire !! they all come in two at a time... identical sending addresses and most from b.eub addresses... each time... I block them but they will change one character or word in their domain names like deals@italyvacationsfree.eu or deals@itallyvacationsnow.eu I keep blocking names and domains but they are never the same... Ibve probably got 300 blocked domain names now either their unsubscribe link is blank or it takes me to a site that bitdefender says bdonbt go there, buddyb probably wouldnbt do anything but tell them I have an active address anyway... Anyone have a way to stop this... Ibm probably getting 30 to 40 a day is it just my time in the barrel... Ibd love to find a way to stop them for sure thanks John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 14:19:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EEC2585290 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC4S11.hotmail.com (bay004-omc4s11.hotmail.com [65.54.190.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B552584FA7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.200]) by BAY004-OMC4S11.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:19:51 -0700 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.70.145) by CY1PR13MB0504.namprd13.prod.outlook.com (10.164.70.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.318.9; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:19:50 +0000 Received: from CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) by CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com ([10.164.70.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0318.003; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:19:50 +0000 From: "Tim ." To: shop-talk Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Thread-Index: AQHRE0/igydLA8RtkUml7cdfZ9rd6Z6Eeb0Y Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:19:50 +0000 References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US header.d=none;autox.team.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=outlook.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [g3aLHJRHQ3x5Gs9ciAjIWiBXftvC5QEa] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR13MB0504; 23:j3NR1eIqQrtCLLCwWSatfHtYkLrBgAO0GQAs+4akQYiADI+fHlE18eXQfgsZY56AiYVhqS48VSs8AV9Mfynpxwm4HiHYZf930VJYtemUeCfXlhWyhkBVJ25YgJQw/B06jA8OySivlGC+D6sMf7guFnRDnAqgebMO+Qmg647IgmJw420Uhkyd4JLRq5j3vEc3F1L9QzGnW2nEL1oRD2F8ag==; 5:U/6B0oHPO+st/NSJmAik7MLuhC4t6+r1mFB2+aU7jZxCLzQ2yo6JsFo6PWOK/E0GKVvC7x/FFQdGo0L17qUJe4qCcZ0V8vP4wyytM0GQMe43sfU+d1iHSkf4wBwVZXhLL76yafUt19R5IJB7FOHAUA==; 24:kRoXYX6k2ODC6qwceS1uxPhjO9BTgTrc4ePzuhs700+1Ij/gyQ6u0xcyi5PhHU/uY/ex43wU4QUOGt4KVeoEVGoY6q9sKWq8dSMIOo/yXbY=; 20:Rrj8d4K188ITrOKki7yUhUt+1Z1ioXv8HR41wUsl/m/ZXkmzjcuLthhnIHaPuC+8EZGFvj/O1TzJ9Jb0409STg== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(42134001)(42139001); SRVR:CY1PR13MB0504; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(81415001)(82015046); SRVR:CY1PR13MB0504; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR13MB0504; x-forefront-prvs: 07459438AA x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070004)(98900002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR13MB0504; H:CY1PR13MB0503.namprd13.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM FILETIME=[5503AA30:01D11350] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Please send all replies to the group as I have an email address that is equally as bad but doesn't block addresses like this outlook site does. Thanks ________________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john niolon Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:16 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming need some email/internet gurus help here.........over the last month Ibve started getting a mess of spam email... I know I picked this up somewhere but that doesnbt matter now there are offers from Italy vacations, Jet rentals, suv bargains, dental implants, medicare plans, voip phone services etc even an .eu domain telling me my local drug store points are going to expire !! they all come in two at a time... identical sending addresses and most from b.eub addresses... each time... I block them but they will change one character or word in their domain names like deals@italyvacationsfree.eu or deals@itallyvacationsnow.eu I keep blocking names and domains but they are never the same... Ibve probably got 300 blocked domain names now either their unsubscribe link is blank or it takes me to a site that bitdefender says bdonbt go there, buddyb probably wouldnbt do anything but tell them I have an active address anyway... Anyone have a way to stop this... Ibm probably getting 30 to 40 a day is it just my time in the barrel... Ibd love to find a way to stop them for sure thanks John _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 14:49:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB522585E31 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EF42585E21 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oifu63 with SMTP id u63so66893393oif.2 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=cxpByyoWP0BhEucSYhpfFwXjXgBuOFf6r2ortRfOL/k=; b=ZqPGX8FrEPCfVRrbK8XWyF/zYHg0PCzDkd/isCAm9V6hq9onMFfOYAnCeBSf0o+Wpi WYoHo9xttGiQAGOG0At6aWNaw0ANhCqy6YCLQ5OnK4+AHhauRLLqk1nAujdQsk7UoY5b /x6p/1WrNfv8NprENEQzKeA7kEZELuYkXD4QIrpdtvFhgXnOwBrC6iJ04UOJGndRrJQ1 hZLEbO1O/xYpftnDx7C8UZXDV6xGlyTiSXCd51H740L9ySEBKnyETpvXuialne6vHGeD aMRF6khrfFjLRz3BKPnDtYUAmtqjylOT8280jcUO/CxNQv7JtHSE1Y96w9hcJC04bZcQ dB6A== h187mr6828590oia.69.1446238214753; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.199.209 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:50:14 -0500 From: Ronnie Day Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I moved all of my list subscription, cars, video editing, computers, etc,, to gmail a couple of years ago and while some spam does get through their filters it's not many, so you might consider that. One of the big causes of spam for me is people who send out an email to a number of recipients and put everybody's address in the "TO:..." box. If anyone :Replies to all..." or "FWDs:..." the message it exposes all of the addresses to spambots which harvest them, and then you start getting all manner of offers! Gmail's spam filters do a good jobs of filtering the signal from the noise. Not perfect, but very good. FWIW, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 15:27:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7442587936 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257E325876A5 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oiad129 with SMTP id d129so66824501oia.0 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=qgRfcClWzrvZUTtJDJVGYyCco/frhTkROxlVS1lDkdE=; b=lX7s2lT3+DWESzvkdegu4LAvrOBjp1GlM77J5CWuBJ2ivUUE0T25F7X6TWzM5LP3TX aJScaMeBuYR/L3CgFrlk8ps4KrcLkk+yZKogIKMRtrLayFXirpxNbTQJqkwCGYwn/BYb 4q8mXI8WSZDWu3zFdVXgpk0YulrSh7stZK8uZcJwJmjQvJoaC/Xf9Xv3w65KjRU5ou6I ncHrRrtRflSvnsgHyAJairrKdnbRKZrNgsWpijJppc4Z4ozRZf+BxF9/FaewDQkH2fwj 7D5dyPY1yppN0LcZG3sqUERbkZ8rEewQcxeNqUNrRMHkicmcGgctRgr8KKwcgqjyeUHr bosw== e189mr6884912oif.6.1446240242765; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.88.8 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:23:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> From: RandE Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:23:43 -0500 To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If it is spam don't use the unsubscribe link. The spammers won't honor it and using it just confirms to the spammers that they have a legitimate address to keep sending to. Randy On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM, john niolon wrote: > need some email/internet gurus help here.........over the last month Ib ve > started getting a mess of spam email... I know I picked this up somewhere > but > that doesnb t matter now > > there are offers from Italy vacations, Jet rentals, suv bargains, dental > implants, medicare plans, voip phone services etc even an .eu domain > telling > me my local drug store points are going to expire !! > > they all come in two at a time... identical sending addresses and most from > b .eub addresses... each time... I block them but they will change one > character or word in their domain names like > > deals@italyvacationsfree.eu or deals@itallyvacationsnow.eu I > keep blocking names and domains but they are never the same... Ib ve > probably > got 300 blocked domain names now > > either their unsubscribe link is blank or it takes me to a site that > bitdefender says b donb t go there, buddyb probably wouldnb t do > anything but tell them I have an active address anyway... > > Anyone have a way to stop this... Ib m probably getting 30 to 40 a day > > is it just my time in the barrel... Ib d love to find a way to stop them > for sure > > thanks > John > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande@pobox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 15:34:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0BF2587965 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FDA258769C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52D5282065 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=groupwbench.org; bh=U7K0tor1BXpudUjstPrL+MijufE= ; b=DLCS8vaU8PydL8bxtjsfHj447D03vXnpuqCZCV2lO0hcptcp/TwzfnJquF9k 4ZDmKXeAE7I64+Pbjma17SN++A/BX6XoMmstGI/WL4jUS9nWtQBw2DNkvu6AiB52 SvRa7FIlI/oJFFHxvF++NRgp1gvkKr/qxyl+72RDH3tyuRw= Received: from jims-imac.home (unknown [100.0.105.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E80D28205F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:34:44 -0400 References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:16 PM, john niolon wrote: > Anyone have a way to stop this... Ibm probably getting 30 to 40 a day I get about 5-10 times that. You can't fight it. Change your address. Never click on any links, there is no "unsubscribe", just confirmation that the email is valid, or a virus... My gmail account gets none, I thought it was that I keep that one close to home, but maybe google knows a lot more about spam? jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 16:01:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09E5258795D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279DC2587752 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:2357] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DF/C2-11656-8E8E3365; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:02:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'john niolon'" , "'shop-talk'" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:02:19 -0700 Thread-Index: AdETT+cKxM5eAneOTc+KJ+3xi33DXQAC7DhQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > either their unsubscribe link is blank or it takes me to a site that > bitdefender says bdonbt go there, buddyb probably wouldnbt do > anything but tell them I have an active address anyway... Right. Never unsubscribe from anything that you didn't subscribe to in the first place; and never click on any links in the spam. Verified addresses are worth money, so any kind of a response from you guarantees that the spammer will be selling your email address to other spammers for years to come. And the links very often lead to various kinds of malware attacks, virus downloads and such. Easy way to get infected. > Anyone have a way to stop this... Ibm probably getting 30 > to 40 a day Ok, this is really tedious, and takes time to start working. But it does work eventually. You have to learn how to first find and then read the email header, so you can find what IP address supplied the spam. In Outlook 2003, click on Tools/Options, then copy the text from the little window into a new text file. Now look up that IP address on one of the many sites that will do a reverse IP lookup for you, to find the ISP that owns the address that provided the spam. If it's a reputable ISP (or located in a country where you might want to correspond with a resident), then fire off an email to the "abuse" email address listed with a copy to the "admin". State your case simply and politely, just "I received unsolicited commercial email (spam) from a site in your domain. Please take appropriate steps to ensure this does not happen again."; and include the original header and message (without attachments or HTML). Typically you won't get anything back except maybe a canned "Your complaint has been received"; but typically you won't hear from that spammer again either. More often, it will be one of the many "spam havens" in places like Russia or Nigeria. In that case, just set up a rule that moves anything from that block of IP addresses to your spam folder. They will keep spamming you for awhile, but eventually quit when they never get a response. At the peak, I had probably 150 such rules and hundreds of spams a week, but now I get almost no spam at all (maybe 2 or 3 per week). In the meantime, you'll have to scan the folder occasionally for messages that weren't spam, and possibly delete the associated rule. Some honest people use the same ISPs that harbor spammers, so this is only a 99% solution, not 100%. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 16:04:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12D025879EB for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com (mail-ig0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45532258794D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by igbhv6 with SMTP id hv6so20550114igb.0 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=S9yeJMKvH7RbZS8Fs9EQCCsL90zvKZBYwbY3BHyvIBE=; b=nCKQ/h7rEViOgNgaBZjwYPICrzGX7WUS4HO+HerAn5bvpL7OmrldmJDUVoUvgV/FIq lVgypTOr+U7PMgEIObA9oDAPDZMzjMPbHOAhMDbCrIZrGy5ZyRQ2KHEvaev7q7R2rW8d tqeAaipjRPamaqbPIPrO8lHfjRWVIaFXSVnNpXPmKD5KmUrRTmEBAMMkEWd5COMSUO8W FnrE4kjSU+wV1TDk9lJdBHH4aLlQc8uX/lLCOwpKfslmNKRUlnfU4ZLya+mnvtvQOnYK CIm1g+1r7jddIy9H4kBtqD3gfABsJj5uSarEIgcm7JLdWX9nmx48Q+kNbW1efdssAGrm XENw== d=parkanzky_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=S9yeJMKvH7RbZS8Fs9EQCCsL90zvKZBYwbY3BHyvIBE=; b=M4+Nj0fsjTLm/pC7zyl0dVxP0liJxiPIH7XsTN+sB2Eh9NppWcLh5O7cUuXeEnSj1f Na1FfYF4agYrgzsFeavIpdfsMp5LltRRsX0FEn8Y0zV6pF4oBLkkzdi5ST10a8tThG5p cgqBo+27FWKEVcl6SfFojN/6M/j82UDixRpQQLBJhpvJoE1RydYGpCuJW1wxHt8rxrHM Maj6s7ODnuFUg0+nPqnEkkeCpu7LNFGfpV0tpbvAvhNaeaBUxYI7FBqM0li9KPyjRzdK 4nvkAbjkWqg+B429eFFN4RzH2ntaa+U/ALEg4vZfq1EvJShl9Cw3ea+XxvOJCXL6Eyqu ns5g== rv5mr628200igb.15.1446242707510; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.1.16 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:05:07 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You guys are making this way harder than it needs to be. Get yourself a gmail account. They do a phenomenal job of filtering out the spam. If you want to keep your current email address, forward it to your new gmail account. Nobody does email better than Google right now. Start enjoying it. -Paul On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Randall wrote: > > either their unsubscribe link is blank or it takes me to a site that > > bitdefender says b donb t go there, buddyb probably wouldnb t do > > anything but tell them I have an active address anyway... > > Right. Never unsubscribe from anything that you didn't subscribe to in the > first place; and never click on any links in the spam. > Verified addresses are worth money, so any kind of a response from you > guarantees that the spammer will be selling your email > address to other spammers for years to come. > > And the links very often lead to various kinds of malware attacks, virus > downloads and such. Easy way to get infected. > > > Anyone have a way to stop this... Ib m probably getting 30 > > to 40 a day > > Ok, this is really tedious, and takes time to start working. But it does > work > eventually. You have to learn how to first find and > then read the email header, so you can find what IP address supplied the > spam. > In Outlook 2003, click on Tools/Options, then copy > the text from the little window into a new text file. > > Now look up that IP address on one of the many sites that will do a > reverse IP > lookup for you, to find the ISP that owns the address > that provided the spam. > > If it's a reputable ISP (or located in a country where you might want to > correspond with a resident), then fire off an email to the > "abuse" email address listed with a copy to the "admin". State your case > simply and politely, just "I received unsolicited > commercial email (spam) from a site in your domain. Please take > appropriate > steps to ensure this does not happen again."; and > include the original header and message (without attachments or HTML). > Typically you won't get anything back except maybe a canned > "Your complaint has been received"; but typically you won't hear from that > spammer again either. > > More often, it will be one of the many "spam havens" in places like Russia > or > Nigeria. In that case, just set up a rule that moves > anything from that block of IP addresses to your spam folder. They will > keep > spamming you for awhile, but eventually quit when they > never get a response. At the peak, I had probably 150 such rules and > hundreds > of spams a week, but now I get almost no spam at all > (maybe 2 or 3 per week). In the meantime, you'll have to scan the folder > occasionally for messages that weren't spam, and possibly > delete the associated rule. Some honest people use the same ISPs that > harbor > spammers, so this is only a 99% solution, not 100%. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 16:42:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED30258596E for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C125878E8 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:3128] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 42/9C-11656-732F3365; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:41:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:42:02 -0700 Thread-Index: AdETXxB+D2rheM4nQFOW7v1RBj6mWgABI8/Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Get yourself a gmail account. They do a phenomenal job of > filtering out > the spam. Yeah, but they also filter some non-spam, and there is no way for you to get it back, or even know that it was sent. I gave up on sending encrypted files through Gmail because so many of them just never show up. (And no, they weren't spam or viruses.) It also seems that their POP3 interface goes down at least once a month, and sometimes several times per day. Very annoying, as my email client thinks Gmail rejected the password and hangs waiting for me to enter the correct one. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 18:46:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303DF2587895 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239452586D85 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E6993C47 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5A993C43 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:41:41 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sometimes you just get on a list somewhere and you get flooded with spam for awhile, then it goes away then back again. All a part of being on an Internet with no controls on who gets on the system. I use a local ISP (Avvanta.com) that has a spam filter. It catches 20-50 spam emails per day. It stores them on their server so I can check what they caught for any legit stuff that got flagged by the filter. I can whitelist those addresses so that doesn't happen again. The filter is rule based, putting a score on each email. I can adjust the threshold score that causes email to be marked spam to find a balance between letting good stuff in and keeping the bad out. Also, when I updated to the latest version of Norton AntiVirus, it included a spam filter for email that catches the remaining 5-10 per day that get through Avvanta. It adds "Norton AntiSpam" to the subject line. I have my email program dump email with those words in the subject line into a spam folder which I check regularly to see if anything legit is in there. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 539,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 18:58:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429AA2587980 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EA22587901 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D299D2C00B2 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:53:41 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 To: shop-talk References: <5EA23FE8CD5341A0B4EC7EEDA809F03A@UserPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Spam exists because spam works. Sure, you may get a 0.00001% success rate, but when you send out millions and millions of emails, that miniscule percentage translates to profits. The Team.Net mail server gets a lot of spam. These list addresses have been around for decades, all the spammers have them. About 200 messages per day get caught by the postfix filters. I need to work on the filters to start trying to catch some of this season's letters from Santa campaigns. About 5 - 600 get through to the mailman filters and are caught there. Ones that are held for administrator approval ( that's me ) currently number 16,995. I'll see how many more come in by the time I am done writing this. So at least these Team.Net lists are not a source of spam, that's why you folks pay me the big bucks Fun. mjb, overpaid and underworked, as usual. PS: Only 5 more came in while typing this. Not bad. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 20:06:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1A425876FA for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com (mail-io0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8EF258782C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iody8 with SMTP id y8so97195056iod.1 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=dEs7PYIFWiGOM6OLTcO3hBTxZq4t/JkRkBwahjE7h4g=; b=Z+fK7rUmLkyDeI/56wKLTIDpe3ht/vwGiE54ycknX2XvnuERM0eHF9qNxat8VpJW46 l2pszy+y4CdmpMtJpOZFnhCyXIsXT3vToE97Tavfahv4SIjhlYIj0ezcOqjo66EDGbFN +h22yHqqUcKT1ZzYzX2SNE1rKIXHsCyjTzaAW61a14Ik8zZEq2304bbv3p6ttMeDDB3+ R5cy6hkBWrvYQTsFWbV2CkIJKAVHdTIArCFs2QlHoCEmKFnm81/w10tNG5MO1wYb1+A6 0kVH7DnoCl58+g6k3nGrU7lPoGFJiYIxhhJwYfv1dio+0ljXNrW66YC9R5XiTGljm+It OVAA== d=parkanzky_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=dEs7PYIFWiGOM6OLTcO3hBTxZq4t/JkRkBwahjE7h4g=; b=wdOGmIyPth3PPQeseaUUBuaLYRSB7KsFTLKd6VRYYsyH5GLE0jZ8MGgVpkn7f54qWh dxzaOMgDkHsFb/L8RVAuX3oFNv72TZlEAu7LieGAJ+b1b0fmJg4iEb4h3pU+12Cq6q3Q vnrti5rZWvnAsz/+VNpyVY6WRR5dwypnm8zJbc9589ht4vkU/Hnys2LehmDExck7ynt0 nTv0sr9r6bk9Zo1BOuKO148cjzRMfA40L6/rCp55EkpOC48vTWdyuUrkuMz4Qx/Vrin1 QEkDvRQw2C4b8mTG/weDgcWRxjw7NIujL452TDVp+EwQG5oSPY0R7HnkqivVj58JRHGt ffqA== 13mr13002891ioe.10.1446257240512; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.1.16 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <42.9C.11656.732F3365@cdptpa-oedge02> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:07:20 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Spam sent to gmail goes into a "Spam" folder where you can check it out every once in awhile. If you don't do anything with it for 30 days it gets deleted forever. Occasionally, legitimate email ends up in my spam folder. So far as I'm aware, I've never failed to receive an email that was sent to me though. I often shuffle emails between accounts and have been a gmail user from the very beginning, so I am pretty sure I'd have discovered that behavior. -Paul On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Randall wrote: > > Get yourself a gmail account. They do a phenomenal job of > > filtering out > > the spam. > > Yeah, but they also filter some non-spam, and there is no way for you to > get it back, or even know that it was sent. I gave up on > sending encrypted files through Gmail because so many of them just never > show up. (And no, they weren't spam or viruses.) > > It also seems that their POP3 interface goes down at least once a month, > and sometimes several times per day. Very annoying, as my > email client thinks Gmail rejected the password and hangs waiting for me > to enter the correct one. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 30 21:44:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEC22587A66 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f180.google.com (mail-io0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B003B2587AC7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iody8 with SMTP id y8so98257925iod.1 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:40:19 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=UM4OdQm27PQEuz9Z1DCHAfWcIgywG4PLYFg5yYnoKGE=; b=z3W7U+b/Z4G59YgpRz6d9N0Y9221ThykSwUAew2jWH2Ca3HBsCpq9YStm80axUC4p7 4e0DmtdDGV4tOdwfV6ZHmDQO9f1xd4qMPajiWN1Yrpi4ZL67NhJNYdbgUy8teiYSUX3E IQbmvpHD1MUvXaTD52J3P7VOQMFNWsGZeV4e0HpPHqyxPU5/+5bxtBSt6GJh/DWMYRk2 TbByNKIVkLW/uSKYBiiI2KT44r9EFBB+9K9yKmd8nIQi9U65cscyBDJ72rWTo0dfDF/a JslU8qZzKq+uixS+f/VFcAdc49aLue0fgvPRSMM5eh3zdVzhJPhF30d7eAEoRPtYqRQA jRjQ== y128mr13490246iod.153.1446262819418; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (205-178-103-199.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com. [205.178.103.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ks1sm2048455igb.2.2015.10.30.20.40.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:40:17 -0500 References: <42.9C.11656.732F3365@cdptpa-oedge02> To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] spam email just keeps on coming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On Oct 30, 2015, at 21:07, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > > Spam sent to gmail goes into a "Spam" folder where you can check it out > every once in awhile. If you don't do anything with it for 30 days it gets > deleted forever. Occasionally, legitimate email ends up in my spam > folder. So far as I'm aware, I've never failed to receive an email that > was sent to me though. I have. And when I was running mail servers, I had users complain about it. Google would accept the mail, and then it disappeared. Google 's response would fit on a postage stamp, if you wrote very big with a crayon. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive