From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 18:22:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DDB25850F7 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED692584FB7 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D5E2C01D3 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:22:07 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Woo Hoo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well everything is back to normal, or as normal as it ever gets. You should now be able to send mail to Team.Net lists and have it work as before. mjb. PS: Still overpaid and underworked, but a LOT less stressed out! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 18:45:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513872580B91 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAB8258020D for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by igbpi8 with SMTP id pi8so75098421igb.1 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:42:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+P60UenPY52pEG8jUooaW1oj2vsQaOhqXbSh6CnncIQ=; b=Vb4ytdyTfChS73OKiyh8tlZup3P2PLlbGsj3K8f1E4APPKlWkRv67V579utK7cf9zf sDXIdINtJcBr+kAN2E+u80iir1R1UQO/cUU9sjiyF/6Yk61BSBn24X8q/FoZ37wNSMM+ kUmRAxP3pGpEFOthxD222NfY1D77PFgW5UGCi+yIHRC5qPClUKSDPb3FkAY1z8LUyp27 N4qKZrB7pNDbu4piyr6EPR1WmnaUP6868Ux4b1a8PvVBv9qk16tUEk5mUNpllnvD1MzJ +pMMi9D5tzHFnjcaxI+qOLlalYQrhJRnVwh5KgXR4FOd1rPYNRTdj0Q+ubZF5hwFs6DT uLiw== f68mr29638901ioe.36.1433205761671; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.101.227 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:42:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <556CF72F.2030408@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 20:42:41 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Woo Hoo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If I wanted "normal", I'd join a Yahoo group... Thanks, Mark, for all you do to keep the asylum operating. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Well everything is back to normal, or as normal as it ever gets. You should > now be > able to send mail to Team.Net lists and have it work as before. > > mjb. > > PS: Still overpaid and underworked, but a LOT less stressed out! > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 7 12:34:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2C625849A2 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 12:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A15025807E8 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 12:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39D53E4057 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=groupwbench.org; bh=xgav8mm+o93pp64 6yuoe2jip1CY=; b=IU9u8n0xBLU2mVkQvUgGc4gMylMU8bG35sBBlXvzHJajV6O nCUZ5QxMmYkCbgWkdvEJLQ7lev5RIjGkhriNhY2y63uclxYowoFV0EPgiV4MRGYE Y4tFgGCbHdw0EGKOCawlgp1Ywfh8e+9pnNUbbOEYEmqb7NriHsOt3VbS5kAs= Received: from [10.1.0.145] (c-98-234-181-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.181.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93CFD3E401C for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:33:50 -0700 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Pendant light repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi folks..I'm repairing a kitchen pendant light for a friend. She's not here so I have no idea who makes it, but likely not a big box store item. Problem is the light won't light, and it's not the bulb. I removed the canopy cover to inspect things, but I can't get the wires to unclip from the pendant section so that I can poke arund without the weight of the glass pulling on the wires. How do these things come undone? The wire into the ferrule that feeds the hanging line that goes to the pendant seem to be spade connectors, yet I can't pull them off, even with pliers. I'll have pics as soon as bloody windows decides to allow file transfers. thanks jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 7 13:02:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74B62584561 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEF225807E8 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 12:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676FA806F for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=qxRx2sIeCfM3eW+4/UkEnwaEzac=; b=sJ+vlik0CBCD uUTsKQmxDIBG6UrtG5gehsfcpJIoCu5pc4CHJv/ZjgzP8vKYcAIRJPqgHWHOluHQ ecCO1If/D8pOvxk6rmcQXT+MbEmDUDkHiUDigbq/hbT1ZTF0j4vnd0LORV8FRjcz U8BnVRYl9YJ0o9yGidCBQg8eOjLoiWY= Received: from [10.1.0.145] (c-98-234-181-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.181.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84D2EA806C for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 11:50:51 -0700 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: Shop-Talk List References: <55748E8E.4070306@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pendant light repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Pic: http://groupwbench.org/NoemiLight2.JPG Sorry for the blurriness, its not in the best position for picture taking. jim On 6/7/2015 11:33 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Hi folks..I'm repairing a kitchen pendant light for a friend. She's > not here so I have no idea who makes it, but likely not a big box > store item. > > Problem is the light won't light, and it's not the bulb. I removed the > canopy cover to inspect things, but I can't get the wires to unclip > from the pendant section so that I can poke arund without the weight > of the glass pulling on the wires. How do these things come undone? > The wire into the ferrule that feeds the hanging line that goes to the > pendant seem to be spade connectors, yet I can't pull them off, even > with pliers. > > I'll have pics as soon as bloody windows decides to allow file transfers. > > thanks > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 7 16:05:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59EC258457B for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 16:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843D225805B6 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 16:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935422E8062; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; s=groupwbench.org; bh=A5/J7Tj81Bnc5LV JWRoPzODu0A4=; b=XiM+297RMuC/fr3xItIjrg9vOkuWy3H6lHpX1W0cMQkqcLB gBo0VVyi5pziWaPKhQUD2Rk9HcGTImLBMLyxgO9YBo0Jxeo6BoabzpCo3TpbJay/ zr4v0eG2tgzkdNDeJtdtNbnqE9o4J/bUsy++dRcpFLlN6Ti5RMUTGdmfR6oo= Received: from [10.1.0.145] (c-98-234-181-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.181.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C8932E805C; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 15:00:47 -0700 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: Ian McFetridge References: <55748E8E.4070306@groupwbench.org> <5574928B.3080000@groupwbench.org> Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pendant light repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Definitely a transformer, which I've tested via bulb to the output and declared it faulty. I'm assuming the tight wire nuts to the input mean a solid connection. For $12 its worth not un-knotting the birds nest in the electric box. I guess I'll just cut the wires and not bother properly disassembling them, which bugs me, but so does screwing around with cheap crap not designed to be maintained. jim On 6/7/2015 1:42 PM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > I had something similar in our house. I tested the feed and it was > live, so I rewired the feed to the wires coming off of the socket, > fixed it. Caution that some pendants are 12v and will have a > transformer hidden somewhere...I'd meter test the feed to check. > > On Sunday, June 7, 2015, Jim Franklin > Pic: > > http://groupwbench.org/NoemiLight2.JPG > > Sorry for the blurriness, its not in the best position for picture > taking. > > jim > > On 6/7/2015 11:33 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > Hi folks..I'm repairing a kitchen pendant light for a friend. > She's not here so I have no idea who makes it, but likely not > a big box store item. > > Problem is the light won't light, and it's not the bulb. I > removed the canopy cover to inspect things, but I can't get > the wires to unclip from the pendant section so that I can > poke arund without the weight of the glass pulling on the > wires. How do these things come undone? The wire into the > ferrule that feeds the hanging line that goes to the pendant > seem to be spade connectors, yet I can't pull them off, even > with pliers. > > I'll have pics as soon as bloody windows decides to allow file > transfers. > > thanks > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 12:32:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF33258510E for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C252580A1A for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B251FE1DC for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Ro3EHMXFHW3W for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.156.198]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 92CB19409E for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:26:32 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net After getting tired of fooling around with boosters, antennas, etc, I finally ran a Cat 6 direct burial cable out to the shop, which is a metal pole barn, and being such, relatively impervious to WiFi. That solved the problem of connecting my shop computer to the net (but of course raises the whole other issue of time wasting net surfing out in the shop...). Anyway, now I could use wifi out in the shop since my iPad and phone can't connect to the wifi inside the shop. I have a four port switch out there I am using to connect the computer and my solar panel stuff to, so I have room for an access point. I'm looking for a recommendation for an inexpensive, reliable access point; I don't need a booster or range extender since it's only got to work inside my 24 x 48 foot shop building. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 13:06:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E682588215 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBD32580B0E for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgez8 with SMTP id z8so19210721wge.0 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ABYYlUd9C6OgmFJHefWRo42fRzlpA1IJk/MeU1raqrI=; b=K1n9HB+dlJMsj2h27rPs6fxfT8GnROrTQek28tqkMI9ElRGbzckkZeb21gR9IBIYlD mAsK4fM3bssGITwSn4DtFCdqWfbiHKkF4eLAR4y8py6frc+0Dg8reXNBEnQbTJoxIDM/ dfxpWf+9T4zpAIpBCKeJkZ4PhumOPs7xGFlnmZRbmVLcIO7hzrkNzA9fNbE5+2Pal+88 aXX5j2GyKGY2Wo+PuiO1ToAc60ZtpYMKjQjOtsh+Gde3uUiNyieqSceoCjKu+8lpyfAh d7vmsLoChP5Mt9fPYpkW0WZKQR8UtQ6ysVXmArssRmtiFUcA/5P5rRfgKMRnyxbp9tCU 2dUQ== be8mr46466019wib.45.1434481575555; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.50.131 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:06:15 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Dave Cavanaugh , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have had one of these for a while, and it has worked fine for me: http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Mbps-Wireless-Easy-N-Upgrader-TEW-637AP/dp/B00134LUE2 It is cheaper than most other access points, which for some reason are usually a lot more expensive than routers. Doug On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > After getting tired of fooling around with boosters, antennas, etc, I > finally ran a Cat 6 direct burial cable out to the shop, which is a metal > pole barn, and being such, relatively impervious to WiFi. That solved the > problem of connecting my shop computer to the net (but of course raises the > whole other issue of time wasting net surfing out in the shop...). > Anyway, now I could use wifi out in the shop since my iPad and phone can't > connect to the wifi inside the shop. I have a four port switch out there I > am using to connect the computer and my solar panel stuff to, so I have > room for an access point. I'm looking for a recommendation for an > inexpensive, reliable access point; I don't need a booster or range > extender since it's only got to work inside my 24 x 48 foot shop building. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 13:35:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD982588627 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F029A2587A58 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:35:15 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:14:11 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 06/16/2015 15:14:12, Serialize complete at 06/16/2015 15:14:12 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave C asks about WAP... Dave, one think to think about (and only because I had this problem will ALL my outdoor, direct buried CAT 5 cable. Make sure that on both sides there is 'surge' like protection. I've lost countless devices till I figured this out. I ended up going either wireless, aerial, or unplug the connections due to this problem. it's doesn't take much stray voltage (from a lighting strike or something) to 'brick' a WEP. I may be wrong, but that is what I ended up doing to prevent the failures I was seeing. Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 13:35:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC3A258861B for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74BF25885FF for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbbti3 with SMTP id ti3so17610468lbb.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HzQbxj5ZgRyUAyOgN8FzjAcaSnRDtmjNVm6QSfjROpw=; b=gG0n/otHpFSKU41zDTxa8s0iOOytfribq2scQBkepsHce6iiHLU9z0hPxG2RkaSkg2 QFxieG7FU7wPvhoY8wZQAg6FZlarRM/r70NJLgeK+oiDC8YZCSa0rt6WgoiG6XLWGX2d 90Sfviny0QdQkGkIlHEIlMx3vq9elKKISi9gDIJi0AO6OyulOjB7wiafpwibFAR1qFvg d4DNuDB7njSZom4bSuo6kSCB1NoqDXRBLFMuRcxJs6q6MlsG+QA8Cep/RZGe4l+s80iN uJ+dzSljHl26fy0+hT9mnajwwYUtFW2HfkE7nXOlrW1o0qGziDQzST4u7ubbCInKoh62 5HyQ== b9mr3637188lbn.46.1434483326974; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.14.98 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:35:06 -0400 To: "David C." Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a number of access points around the house, because the aluminum siding and interior ducting wreaks havoc on the wifi signals. Here is what I would suggest: - Pick up an inexpensive 802.11n router (like the this Asus: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=33-320-158). - Disable its DHCP server (so it doesn't conflict with the existing network - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point (so you can just transparently go from one to the other) - Connect one of its LAN ports (in the Asus, the yellow ports, not the blue "Internet" port) to the switch in your office - or replace the switch with the one in the Asus In fact, if you are using an 802.11b/g AP elsewhere, I would replace it with the above. 802.11n is a great improvement over 802.11g, and the Asus is an excellent value. NFI, just happy with the gear. -Peter After getting tired of fooling around with boosters, antennas, etc, I finally ran a Cat 6 direct burial cable out to the shop, which is a metal pole barn, and being such, relatively impervious to WiFi. That solved the problem of connecting my shop computer to the net (but of course raises the whole other issue of time wasting net surfing out in the shop...). Anyway, now I could use wifi out in the shop since my iPad and phone can't connect to the wifi inside the shop. I have a four port switch out there I am using to connect the computer and my solar panel stuff to, so I have room for an access point. I'm looking for a recommendation for an inexpensive, reliable access point; I don't need a booster or range extender since it's only got to work inside my 24 x 48 foot shop building. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 13:48:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43474258865F for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9912C2584D60 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:44:05 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:23:00 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 06/16/2015 15:23:02, Serialize complete at 06/16/2015 15:23:02 Subject: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I live out in farm country, (and I have a farm) but I was wondering what color (colors) should I paint them so they aren't as much as an eyesore. Now, I get that painting them green would blend them in during the summer, but once the leaves are down, they would stick out (same for the reverse if I paint them brown or white.) Then I was thinking about a military camo job, but that seems like alot of work for large containers (I have 3 of them to paint.) Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. Thanks in advance! (BTW, I'm in western NJ in case that makes a difference.) Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:03:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C712587794 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8377325844BA for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbbqq2 with SMTP id qq2so17842019lbb.3 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=8P7ATEjNLgD4tYLkxL0wBn0vHQtl+W9lS+Xa39VdeGw=; b=MqSCpD73lQLumdtpHdIe+961Q97Lb1q5pQGpvaW192ygSQZwoD2smWZtUmaRAW5f/8 mw6ZUI4tJHWJ3Jou0HKRQUC4jDETYZ3cRlTAYhL74Ze4akRRPVlMpEGgD//7YUnvS6g5 1K6YTmhan38/xjgEBxj8wEwMKPF7adc1zTXBB/cYXe1G2Voj1SylS+LLUwiz5l7NTT7X tdgq9jiyJE1c6Xf/KTzitNUH+4IbyO/NCqxZ20Xo2Kg+FTs+kdQNWxc+OAx69pkD/RxI 8VTSO9DDS8mzmn6SewxnAp9SYbA7cvN5aeaXGKOyhBa7LAFN3GxnGuldnzbhcG9gO/63 tFLQ== b9mr3737682lbn.46.1434484305326; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.14.98 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:51:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:51:24 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net One amendment to my prior email - this Asus RT-N12 router is probably an even better value. For $10 more, you will get better signal strength and better performance: http://amzn.com/B00DWFPDNO Also, Eric speaks sooth. Ground surges from nearby lightning strikes can have devastating results on electronics. There are a bunch of power strips with network/coax/telephone protection, but the specs on the dedicated protection hardware is much better. I'd put this on both ends: http://amzn.com/B000BKUSS8 -Peter On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > Dave C asks about WAP... > > Dave, one think to think about (and only because I had this problem will > ALL my outdoor, direct buried CAT 5 cable. > > Make sure that on both sides there is 'surge' like protection. I've lost > countless devices till I figured this out. I ended up going either > wireless, aerial, or unplug the connections due to this problem. > > it's doesn't take much stray voltage (from a lighting strike or something) > to 'brick' a WEP. > > I may be wrong, but that is what I ended up doing to prevent the failures > I was seeing. > > > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:03:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAA72588764 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13D325844BA for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by igblz2 with SMTP id lz2so22037451igb.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pNnDDgYbRKhO4vb/Ug5xx7H28yZDt553u3qNemt1AJc=; b=NHXdJRK+s/ZPH3dYSupOuOrJtuPa0sanvuE691yk7pV0EElM5F5wWRXdAgVYpXgCrG /7iL+azuSOq7aLkVe/wEdmVrNNMggT1iK/tf4fos84ZTF9c75+/GQLVuApWmubb2Tax/ In2vt7RTbU78PkqjX4J+/LsHiQ5ME0xRwoU6virszRqQvI8ZBRCHAHD1Zk7gDaafTGdg GTR+wMyz/X3ohG1apPnkJVhM2ACemOdetFwKFfqRGy3hpFmK3INXMnhTRjzz68kDk3tC 6Xo5J9Ic2F1Y/rL0zTcCeSWQhPrYf3tzU0Qh4SOt1FHpi8ZFM7XzBhRsZmILGzC5m0Fa rFEQ== r19mr5697607igs.5.1434484394468; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.101.227 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:53:14 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I live in a wooded area. I painted my shop dark brown, with green doors and trim. In the summer, it disappears in the shade under the trees, in the winter, it's just one more brown thing in the forest. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > OK, I live out in farm country, (and I have a farm) but I was wondering > what color (colors) should I paint them so they aren't as much as an > eyesore. > > Now, I get that painting them green would blend them in during the summer, > but once the leaves are down, they would stick out (same for the reverse > if I paint them brown or white.) > > Then I was thinking about a military camo job, but that seems like alot of > work for large containers (I have 3 of them to paint.) > > Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be > both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. > > Thanks in advance! > > (BTW, I'm in western NJ in case that makes a difference.) > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:04:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9329A258875A for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B392585544 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 537528FC23; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EDA8FC0F; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: eric@megageek.com References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be > both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. Lots of chrome spray paint... it'll reflect whatever surrounds it. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:04:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F802588806 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EE725844BA for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iecrd14 with SMTP id rd14so20282769iec.3 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SVred4r5oMcuwbudHXErjXHtfwIZeDkS7zHSFDuBOOQ=; b=0PPOfRnwmG683jWJnjELjY39nf3qPiyKlU5XdMDMa0vjslZRpSV2yZXyQBtDWyH3qC Sz2lQw4o1ZQTrnVQV/0dfmzImSAg3tlBDeGtHGu9kQ0Ele4fXKfNssPvIKbY5CiXl8XN ggxWYSRnwarTK7bdNpKxAknLsqZEVJeYmUx+ZERdadHMNOcuhyxE2wAIwkGjcFZ2sBX/ aJYHveZRG6remttZzwLfIgKjPQ+4WH3rs+iBX5BCryWvWnn+NDad1egNocttDRrHhMf+ oW/5K9EmdwfsurhnUcS1zzJQ9DlUy8CoGQxmbv6BUoR7haQzH5nINyNTQvNIQbjhEQZE 5vpQ== z72mr2877114iod.46.1434484778177; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.143.129 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:59:38 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I wouldn't overthink it. Hide them with trees (big, pointy pines) where you can and then just accept that they are what they are. To my eye, a bunch of camo junk on somebody's property looks a bit trashy. At least the bare containers in a solid color are clean and functional. -Paul On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > OK, I live out in farm country, (and I have a farm) but I was wondering > what color (colors) should I paint them so they aren't as much as an > eyesore. > > Now, I get that painting them green would blend them in during the summer, > but once the leaves are down, they would stick out (same for the reverse > if I paint them brown or white.) > > Then I was thinking about a military camo job, but that seems like alot of > work for large containers (I have 3 of them to paint.) > > Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be > both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. > > Thanks in advance! > > (BTW, I'm in western NJ in case that makes a difference.) > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:04:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB125887D9 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F262587CF4 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by laka10 with SMTP id a10so18903164lak.0 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=3SxmZ7CJUG8r5sZZbhG4fsp4Bd+3JdMiYLgL+1Yevn8=; b=aOggqmeX/EY+xV0bKgepbmcUpDM8axG6ZX0HC2ucsPuUJeNylAE5ZYXl4rRb92cMaJ 0Ins+ckTEQUoRY80lH3CUccQRgSUqR7nMddCbk1lDWPJGV5fRDtv7BsbfttCaiVvb3cf 4rAVlYFGt6oq51yP1GdERKTuHrttkiZ+n2EuX7TDw/19f8nBg/RxK1RDYDYwRfoUkWwk nSGnYRoSLoxsqMHrLxjmZ4jxXTC4R6ar9bh0Gl+fZMsW8aLj5IMSy/qHVjefXfzXwvD0 3AZzmvzDk+G29qH9SEyyome1TXo235GVk3b3ZXy4mlcDSTR2tOLLDg8u1whxTiqM3h1q MPyw== z7mr3802756lbf.102.1434485100258; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.14.98 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:04:39 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What about a darker red, somewhat like a barn would be painted? Are you planning to put a pitched roof on it? If not, you may already be considering painting the roof a light color to reduce solar heating during the summer (if that matters). If you are fortunate enough to have mainly a single direction from which the public (and you) would see them (from the road and/or your house or shop windows), you could always position them so you see the small side, rather than the broad side. How long will your sea crate be there? Is it "permanent"? If you're thinking a few years, then maybe some wood trellis and plant some fast-growing evergreen vines. If "forever", then perhaps some faster-growing evergreen bushes would be good. Either way, some camo netting could provide visual cover while the natural stuff does its thing... Some vines to consider: http://homeguides.sfgate.com/fast-growing-evergreen-vines-44998.html -Peter On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > OK, I live out in farm country, (and I have a farm) but I was wondering > what color (colors) should I paint them so they aren't as much as an > eyesore. > > Now, I get that painting them green would blend them in during the summer, > but once the leaves are down, they would stick out (same for the reverse > if I paint them brown or white.) > > Then I was thinking about a military camo job, but that seems like alot of > work for large containers (I have 3 of them to paint.) > > Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be > both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. > > Thanks in advance! > > (BTW, I'm in western NJ in case that makes a difference.) > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:18:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEA32585D43 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3229F258465D for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 17C318FC23; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1752A8FC0F for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote: > - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point (so > you can just transparently go from one to the other) I'm not sure that's a great idea. If the house signal reaches the shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the same name available. I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve. Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of wireless networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the same anyway. Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be better. Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and your connection sucks. Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and your computer jumped to the weak house signal. You won't be able to tell them apart from the client device if they are named the same. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 14:33:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED6E2586923 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [67.18.59.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADD32585230 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 2C0AE73C57A5B; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com (gator4190.hostgator.com [108.167.189.15]) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265AD73C57A19 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [128.111.216.187] (port=31355 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4xNa-000388-Uw for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:22:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:22:42 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net While its true that any modern device can store access credentials for multiple connections, my house wifi barely reaches the garage, its usually down to one or 2 bars in the garage and my phone will try and stay connected to it, I have to manually tell it to change to the garage wifi each time I go in the garage. They have different names but I had not thought of making them the same name and will try that, it sounds like it should work but knowing how things work it will likely confuse the phone. In the house my computers are all wired, so no worries about jumping to the weak signal, only my phone and my wife's phone are wifi. mike On 6/16/2015 1:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote: >> - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access >> point (so >> you can just transparently go from one to the other) > > I'm not sure that's a great idea. If the house signal reaches the > shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the > same name available. I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve. > > Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of > wireless networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the > same anyway. > > Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be > better. Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and > your connection sucks. Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and > your computer jumped to the weak house signal. You won't be able to > tell them apart from the client device if they are named the same. > > -- > David Hillman > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 17:05:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE68425879D1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA4E2584566 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so34709733wib.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:02:43 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fTds1pjH6Plncj0KUPQbwyk7FWvtd0MU5h9sDSzqe3g=; b=F/Srm8wGwINzNo0/saCmUKQAg/PVDAyua1UzkRi4qIZ6bjEm6wWSvFGCLyUxbr42Aq gF+9Me7ojPxs0GMGJ9+CMfWhW1MY7iNzt4mebJQruA8V8yVREUkaPNxQK3fOEcCKtm84 NNq67+BjQym/qqnF052Q0g1AJTXvYY/8Tv5OPKRKUR6wf/xXQBIHIBEUvkZMzTe//YHw OmB7SehZhVXey1a2dUBzG/zonFB8EzeAdINaxNfXjSBg0PdOpKyS8Gv7RQ/sijD6STKq 5XZK9Q3WyYOkXgv/zb0bVqNJLr9ilFQK9RvIwMGG2BxrmhRHG69GZoTtpBNEL2ZrDUTd bLEw== g8mr47390900wiw.79.1434495762890; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.50.131 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:02:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> <55808592.6060609@dinospider.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:02:42 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't places like large offices, schools, and airports have dozens or hundreds of access points with the same SSID? Doug On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > While its true that any modern device can store access credentials for > multiple connections, my house wifi barely reaches the garage, its usually > down to one or 2 bars in the garage and my phone will try and stay > connected to it, I have to manually tell it to change to the garage wifi > each time I go in the garage. They have different names but I had not > thought of making them the same name and will try that, it sounds like it > should work but knowing how things work it will likely confuse the phone. > > In the house my computers are all wired, so no worries about jumping to > the weak signal, only my phone and my wife's phone are wifi. > > mike > > > On 6/16/2015 1:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote: >> >>> - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point >>> (so >>> you can just transparently go from one to the other) >>> >> >> I'm not sure that's a great idea. If the house signal reaches the >> shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the same >> name available. I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve. >> >> Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of wireless >> networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the same anyway. >> >> Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be better. >> Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and your >> connection sucks. Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and your >> computer jumped to the weak house signal. You won't be able to tell them >> apart from the client device if they are named the same. >> >> -- >> David Hillman >> _ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 18:20:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFEE2585CA2 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0304C2584FFD for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lblr1 with SMTP id r1so21075716lbl.0 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=qgYqyGVGMJBisnMbuUC2cIYG1M+8K7qtIVX2QB6PzW4=; b=OYImx+kOGQYTjOJdY2jKZ9yC0QRsunkPQFT0XsyOTnqNz6Ft1DEJC4ZbQeSQ79zdiJ x63g8Zzz++gx6vd9Pkg+/3oQXbyrS6ALkLpzpA70Hlwxb0itv8f0bAmf+f+o7WCASK5O 9hquDf78FLG+XS/Og1VjGR7NEBYHBqxRnyYlETzjgXdWK7Rf4K57sTJcW+HEkGANElTj E7h84pCfejdvZP9/XI1O9Jhshak+8+Tu2bqrH9nBhg5vaXISQvIiEnXD8KJJcQziryoS K7DlgRNCffABFcqOxef6IzIln0lSw7vjF0boySxqUHT2p42nwzNxQ7H0OxcXgIBQ3VdW eYUA== xp8mr4853638lbb.71.1434499696048; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.233 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:07:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> <55808592.6060609@dinospider.com> From: Miq Millman Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:07:55 -0700 To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Commercial Wi-Fi environments like airports that have a large area with contiguous coverage in a single SSID typically have high end equipment that utilizes Wi-Fi Extender capabilities and are capable of parsing data and clients between the devices in the network structure without impacting throughput. Some systems out there have a mode you can set manually that allows for the Access Point to be configured as an extender, but be aware that this could drastically reduce your total throughput of the system (tying up the limited available channels in 802.11bg 2.4GHz). A better option may be to use the features in lower quality home market systems, and have the second device act as a Repeater. This is also something that might have to be done manually in the configuration. Typically this will create a "cloned" network with a new unique SSID that is served by the original network (including secure access for mac id limited connections or DHCP). The benefit is that if you don't actually roam into an area where the two SSID are identical or similar in strength, your device will mostly seamlessly transition, and your traffic will not be limited to sharing channels and handshake contention between the two SSID's. You will also be able to run the two different SSID's on different channels essentially doubling the available capacity instead of sharing it. -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Don't places like large offices, schools, and airports have dozens or > hundreds of access points with the same SSID? > > Doug > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Rambour > wrote: > > > While its true that any modern device can store access credentials for > > multiple connections, my house wifi barely reaches the garage, its > usually > > down to one or 2 bars in the garage and my phone will try and stay > > connected to it, I have to manually tell it to change to the garage wifi > > each time I go in the garage. They have different names but I had not > > thought of making them the same name and will try that, it sounds like it > > should work but knowing how things work it will likely confuse the phone. > > > > In the house my computers are all wired, so no worries about jumping to > > the weak signal, only my phone and my wife's phone are wifi. > > > > mike > > > > > > On 6/16/2015 1:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote: > >> > >>> - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point > >>> (so > >>> you can just transparently go from one to the other) > >>> > >> > >> I'm not sure that's a great idea. If the house signal reaches the > >> shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the > same > >> name available. I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve. > >> > >> Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of wireless > >> networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the same anyway. > >> > >> Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be better. > >> Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and your > >> connection sucks. Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and your > >> computer jumped to the weak house signal. You won't be able to tell > them > >> apart from the client device if they are named the same. > >> > >> -- > >> David Hillman > >> _ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 20:05:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80B82584A79 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3042580A10 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC7028EE2B for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ChEcTBOkd12V for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.156.198]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7694B4A0B1 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:55:25 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Camo net? On 6/16/2015 12:23 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap/easy camo? If it can't be > both, cheaper is better, but I'm pretty flexible. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 20:23:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DD22587BF6 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECCA2587B5E for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lacny3 with SMTP id ny3so23182265lac.3 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:23:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=/mId9PUhrLdOsRLYzC5wA40KNnfj/HLnXCBV19U0tcQ=; b=BgMvxOvB10xXiv1umZaoF2rLasKKBClDOO0stFa/MXvnG4tvx7HAOqksBNWRNPC5la AwAA4qwF0wOd96QAzvZAUPvqBZn3OJcPv6hs6XnWTS+mpWcxH8jM37dvSUvwsgTl6Out yrDKhGlHjaHXRISIYxd6K9rfXemo5eIpqeVOaH/AFasuUa92tP7unReBKGYSHWA5TvQa tOZQShvRNyaohLut/NGGjOn3b87SVnoH40hgK9orfYe6FR+DRt3oCQr/UHGCgAmN04ZO uv/CdJfxvkTGY1vCKogZSYN5uCBrrGqhfmiNNg2C/c3pLtRVq0B1Vdia2rop/4u4GxMe A38Q== b9mr5357242lbn.46.1434507797669; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.14.98 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> <55808592.6060609@dinospider.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:22:57 -0400 To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug is correct - this is exactly how large offices, stadiums, Home Depot and other commercial facilities illuminate large/densely populated environments with good coverage. His client won't see multiple networks - it will see multiple access points with the same SSID, and will choose the one that presents the best signal (with an algorithm that will choose when it is time to move to a different access point). I do this at work and here at home, and it does not require anything fancy or special. Wifi networks can achieve optimal client handoff between access points with the use of central management (like cell phones do), but it will work very well without it. Using multiple separate access points will provide the fastest performance (when a single access point is either not enough to cover a large area or will have too many clients). Repeaters inherently slow the network down, because every transmission is repeated on the same channel as the originating transmission. Just make sure the channels don't overlap with the different access points (on 2.4GHz, use 1, 6 or 11 - the width of the signals is wider than the width of the channel). Use a "wifi analyzer" app on your mobile phone to check which channel is most clear, if you live with nearby neighbors. -Peter On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Don't places like large offices, schools, and airports have dozens or > hundreds of access points with the same SSID? > > Doug > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Rambour > wrote: > > > While its true that any modern device can store access credentials for > > multiple connections, my house wifi barely reaches the garage, its > usually > > down to one or 2 bars in the garage and my phone will try and stay > > connected to it, I have to manually tell it to change to the garage wifi > > each time I go in the garage. They have different names but I had not > > thought of making them the same name and will try that, it sounds like it > > should work but knowing how things work it will likely confuse the phone. > > > > In the house my computers are all wired, so no worries about jumping to > > the weak signal, only my phone and my wife's phone are wifi. > > > > mike > > > > > > On 6/16/2015 1:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Peter Murray wrote: > >> > >>> - Configure its SSID and encryption the same as your main access point > >>> (so > >>> you can just transparently go from one to the other) > >>> > >> > >> I'm not sure that's a great idea. If the house signal reaches the > >> shop, even weakly ( or vice versa ), you'll have two networks with the > same > >> name available. I bet that'll cause more problems than it'll solve. > >> > >> Any modern device can store access credentials for dozens of wireless > >> networks, so there's minimal advantage to naming them the same anyway. > >> > >> Also, from a troubleshooting perspective, two names would be better. > >> Say you are in the shop -- or outside on the property -- and your > >> connection sucks. Unbeknownst to you, your shop WAP crashed, and your > >> computer jumped to the weak house signal. You won't be able to tell > them > >> apart from the client device if they are named the same. > >> > >> -- > >> David Hillman > >> _ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 20:35:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3D02587C17 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CB92587A9F for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.pops.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D0B276CD9 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB25276CB7 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:18:52 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: localhost.pops.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Why try to hide it if you can have some fun with it? Here is an example of how a local retirement home camouflaged the ugly mechanical stuff on their roof: Just gotta buy some paint and let your inner artist out to play! Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 520,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 20:36:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F892587CFD for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCA82586C04 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:29:01 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=coastalnet.com; b=onp3+HI2ii7AruaQ1ef1MB+qHDQajmCyWZV9keOodZ4o12pk3ckUKgsusryIF8SD; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Z536C-0005CR-B6; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:29:08 -0400 Received: from 24.136.192.145 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:29:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:29:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Chuck To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Paint the container tan with darker random vertical "branches" and plant Kudzu or bamboo around the container. In a couple years you might not even be able to find it. C _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 20:37:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6605B2587E90 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884962580048 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:31:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=coastalnet.com; b=e1TM63lw3Qd3ZUjMQtSbpuBq5/0us1yYdwfWzrg8d0dkFXTfFNI8vKgVZlrFXC28; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Z538r-0003Dh-AY for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:31:53 -0400 Received: from 24.136.192.145 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:31:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:31:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Chuck To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Camouflaging a connex (intermodal container) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Paint the container tan with darker vertical "branches", then plant kudzu or bamboo around it. In a couple years you may not be able to find it. C _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 16 21:51:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164325879ED for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 21:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E9C2586900 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 21:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pdbki1 with SMTP id ki1so28423055pdb.1 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:42:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pBmDRsk8MlmIw2z+gSEHLjj88q9ujzyQP0a/Wlk7FIA=; b=L6a/KUIDxh8sZcI1L8MNI/y5AzvPVzmQ3c2G445lFI2U6UTH29z7Sbzq+Dvp7CBTdb l4qF5+cWgbP61ptgRrw9Kfl1GJEfX3M1EHsjPLVKDcllT7vcJa7cJGzKuDOyCwIl9114 VbPymKIAkRu9WkBLG+zXivHp65Iij40GFR6GPG5OgPN/ABZyoR58DcTZZolvz6Fr0h8X 0cGwQBGTSyEKZvwDqxd2eTZyEN8mYW1cp1ukjBSZs0tacCP8SlutCnZUhn/43+MtkYfr LopCT1HOYYRLj6CA0wHzpoLtkYk/36DwlD9nX7rsWpZaXc98NeV9eL/DIMkbJyrFlyRO oUmg== Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.75.104 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:42:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> <55808592.6060609@dinospider.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:42:56 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Peter Murray , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > Doug is correct - this is exactly how large offices, stadiums, Home Depot > and other commercial facilities illuminate large/densely populated > environments with good coverage. > > His client won't see multiple networks - it will see multiple access points > with the same SSID, and will choose the one that presents the best signal > (with an algorithm that will choose when it is time to move to a different > access point). I do this at work and here at home, and it does not require > anything fancy or special. Wifi networks can achieve optimal client handoff > between access points with the use of central management (like cell phones > do), but it will work very well without it. > For small and medium sized networks, I've had very good success with ubiquiti's Unifi stuff. Bunch of different models, to do different things, including point to point links and out doors coverage. Reasonably priced, for good gear. (The basic 2.4 ghz 802.11n models are dirt cheap; the rest of the line is just not expensive by the standards of commerical gear.) They're just APs, you'd need a dhcp server, router, etc. There's a java based management system, which needn't run except when you're managing them (or if you want to do some stuff that are out of scope for shop talk.) The ones at work seemlessly dealt with the switch that several of them are plugged into failing, falling back into relay over wireless to stations that still had working ethernet, and dealt with the switch coming back to life, no problem. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 17 13:13:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C59258818A for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CF92584503 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 4A0E78FF29; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DF78FF28; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Doug Braun References: <55806A58.3000609@frontier.com> <55808592.6060609@dinospider.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wifi access point? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Doug Braun wrote: > Don't places like large offices, schools, and airports have dozens or > hundreds of access points with the same SSID? Yes, but that's a different use case. It's clearly unreasonable to expect people to enter dozens of SSIDs and passwords into their device. Also, there's probably someone collecting performance metrics on those WAPs, who will know if and when there's a problem with one. And they probably have enough overlapping coverage that one failed WAP wouldn't be noticable anyway. None of that applies to a home installation with two WAPs. YMMV. The 802.11 header includes the MAC address of the WAP. In other words, packets are addressed to a specific WAP, not to the network or by the SSID. If a given device has excessive hysteresis and refuses to switch between two networks when the relative signal quality changes, it probably won't switch between 2 WAPs on the same network either. And you'll be unable to force it to do so manually. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 26 21:08:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AF32585136 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 21:08:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com (mail-oi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C652584A72 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 21:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oigx81 with SMTP id x81so87394864oig.1 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YhmWNltfjwlgcWHgoOLFRaOOWosiKjEjTZBDngXZjF0=; b=wy3gshcUFmeIMVdvBb0z7Cm30N6lfICqxXuH8y7TvS7Z2vahNRHuut2Uq6FgP1nkHG S4T6ECIQUdXCKhI9TTUMOKVmgg+R/SyghvW7V+dJx6bjFXjrnJqTPOYeF0K5FbicegKE 1hqnTaWwtyU9vxUpDZaAEtYcVUcuRZ1wqQbV3aMLXk1I3+YcdQdPdVAGrSbjd5BZjF9T R43e3rEQs3W1HIL99y1A7741litpKTbTW3uRCfw56bUjzzkEzFqfKmrA0h8eZ9LSz4Cv ZFx6UPIJXfo7nbWbna+RHR59Sn0ehml54iRvnDghQ1jZ7kZgMn1eiucqeXPzPHmNRQUJ DRLw== Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.172.3 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <0be901cb3f2d$4093d720$c1bb8560$@rr.com> <0c2301cb3f40$fa8fdc60$efaf9520$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:08:34 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Randall Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop light problems - update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Randall wrote: >> The last time I looked at a spec sheet, there were four numbers, for 3 >> and 12 hour run times, using IS and RS ballasts. The IS life time was >> about 50% of the RS for 3 hour run time, and about 80% for 12 hour. > > Ok, this is the first T8 spec sheet I found. It gives only two numbers (for 3 > and 12 hour run times), saying they apply for rapid start, programmed start > and instant start ballasts. > > http://www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/fluor/pdf/p-5338e.pdf > > They do quote "competitor" data showing somewhat shorter bulb life with > instant start, but the difference is more like 20-25%, not 50%. No doubt it > would get worse with shorter cycles, but that still doesn't necessarily mean > it's better to leave the light on when you're not using it. > http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/myths/fluorescent_lights.html > So, digging up a years old thread, because I happened to be looking at the spec sheet for sylvania programmed start ballasts. http://assets.sylvania.com/assets/Documents/QUICKTRONIC%20QHE%20PROStart%20T8%20Parallel%20Operation%20Systems%20(ECS218).2d59f1d4-f342-4187-868f-a209d1cb82a7.pdf It has a a chart comparing tube lifespan for their instant start ballast vs two different programmed start ballasts. AT one hour, the instant start bulb is about 7500 hrs, while the longer lived program start one is 45000. There's a big jump for three hour run times, the difference is 25000 to 50000. For ten minutes, it's about 1000 vs 35000. (Ten minutes is pretty common for occupancy sensor timeouts) There's no comparaison of lumen outputs, though (you can trade slightly dimmer tubes for much longer life). -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 26 22:37:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7662584FC3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C31258447B for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:1159] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 32/FD-24491-4982E855; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:37:40 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'shop-talk'" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 21:37:45 -0700 Thread-Index: AdCwhpjVH/JATCFzSKOs6/mJwcr67wAC8MfA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop light problems - update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > It has a a chart comparing tube lifespan for their instant start > ballast vs two different programmed start ballasts. Kind of moot at this point, at least for me. I'm already starting to convert to LED, although I expect LED technology to continue to improve rapidly for several more years. Not perfect by any means, but at least there is no penalty for turning them off when you don't need them. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 27 08:27:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380362587AA9 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C3625806FA for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by igcsj18 with SMTP id sj18so50732277igc.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=74hgz96mbnOF/7HBBzMdKAaUAFo1KLPkJV8sAkmXVCk=; b=JcxcjVvlovLJuJLGLJnf8jSaQhBhSgKAMU48AIyF1rfFp1IsAu+Upn5PQx+bPFjwYo 0YU6BFOp0cprUzunI2IiMQzkjbceTbnYcJYnjxWiwUlVEjNs60U8PVTuG5HgCE8KXFfM rNqII2cFagRoE0Rd9jMqGUOBrPmyWL+1LaAWQ= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=74hgz96mbnOF/7HBBzMdKAaUAFo1KLPkJV8sAkmXVCk=; b=d95VY/9KawZVGgsyyV+9FmUHOYD2AK6UspGtMIUzvYVxdF7MKjH2SuZXtqtp3ZDKtM z7f7veLVXxkxGA36x/Pbylnh1s7fMEOhBriEkz866w9xKGRLr2BtJhs+KADPFS7bgZaw i3V25BqsKM4Yjp+2Mw2HQqdYniVoGC8QksVFntTYNWRsAX7vuk9xmrgMTCgdL0pDm0Y5 abSXyyD16HpJhW8lDmj3sBM5EET+3Cz19Uyj8SOdAkRpvMMWQ0zg+uoSTcablgApQlAe InMDHHNwr91PdVOKfhZJ67KEm+62eFvR2w/u05+EjQJM1al5DaX9jPwxBiociltzQFjm zJsw== sb5mr4426056igb.13.1435414799594; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.142.194 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:19:59 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop light T8 to LED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've been gradually replacing the T8 fixtures in my shop. The previous owner installed 12 two tube fixtures, so I've only be putting on LED tube in each fixture as I remove the ballasts and make the update. I've installed 8 so far and in each case the one LED is as bright, if not brighter than the two old (maybe 10 years) T8 fluorescent tubes. The brand I have been using is below, I bought a couple last year for $23, then $21, now I see they are down to $16. Has anyone found a better option? Also, does anyone know where I can properly dispose of the fluorescent tubes? My township will take them on hazardous waste day, but they only do that twice a year and I was out of town for the last one. Home Deport/ Lowes? JACKYLED 20W 50W Replacement, Replacement Energy Saving LED T8 T10 Tube for 48" 1.2m 4ft Fluorescent Replacement Light Lamp Fixture No Ballast No Uv & Ir Day White Smd Bulb 5500-6000k by JACKYLED Link: http://amzn.com/B00IBVNDMM Thanks, Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 27 11:46:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AFA258802D for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qopa.pair.com (qopa.pair.com [209.68.5.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606CE2584BA5 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AMI2 (pool-68-133-1-70.bflony.fios.verizon.net [68.133.1.70]) by qopa.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBB15F1E0C; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Ian McFetridge'" , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:46:07 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHQsOVwvO0WskxOAUSC+VpXvJDPZZ3AoElg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop light T8 to LED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you are not using the ballast, what do you modify to use this? How does it work? -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian McFetridge Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:20 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop light T8 to LED I've been gradually replacing the T8 fixtures in my shop. The previous owner installed 12 two tube fixtures, so I've only be putting on LED tube in each fixture as I remove the ballasts and make the update. I've installed 8 so far and in each case the one LED is as bright, if not brighter than the two old (maybe 10 years) T8 fluorescent tubes. The brand I have been using is below, I bought a couple last year for $23, then $21, now I see they are down to $16. Has anyone found a better option? Also, does anyone know where I can properly dispose of the fluorescent tubes? My township will take them on hazardous waste day, but they only do that twice a year and I was out of town for the last one. Home Deport/ Lowes? JACKYLED 20W 50W Replacement, Replacement Energy Saving LED T8 T10 Tube for 48" 1.2m 4ft Fluorescent Replacement Light Lamp Fixture No Ballast No Uv & Ir Day White Smd Bulb 5500-6000k by JACKYLED Link: http://amzn.com/B00IBVNDMM Thanks, Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 27 12:30:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CA72585A6F for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D23258591F for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:2125] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 66/55-25175-85BEE855; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:28:41 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:28:44 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHQsOVwvO0WskxOAUSC+VpXvJDPZZ3AoElggAAJblA= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop light T8 to LED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > If you are not using the ballast, what do you modify to use this? > How does it work? The LED power supply is buried in the bulb assembly. You just wire the old fluorescent bulb connectors directly to the AC line, and disconnect/remove the old fluorescent ballast. The exact wiring depends on which bulb you buy. You should get detailed instructions with the bulb. With some bulbs and some fixtures, you may have to replace the connectors (aka tombstones) as well, but you can still reuse the fixture. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 27 12:45:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3BA2585E72 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCED02585A09 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pdcu2 with SMTP id u2so93060071pdc.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wap4Iq3KwyKjSIYDckzeHTVm+kzQKsFuHp6M+RqqQQs=; b=V10zNtvNENCteFAGfFzXUAThINUMyxe5id+ZoPwYwTum7Wd7j6hYmOuM7Q50wY0ga+ dUbXvcSuKEcGU21dNQN7i3tozMAO3mLMkOCGaTXeWHeqdE5h50nPOkKRy4Jppx9cwTyN 6DpJPxj+YGrmCqmauCUham44bpdXaHko71PW3Wn4D4ASSyymYS0s7VZwrwEcn6Ic71b4 RrY8b/8wwdUbY8LsMm8dsYefFf0bLatWKNKcroZfFMNMWKFd5NFnGUha10i3XvGYa4KS qfUZ8AY/+K6+AsMfltoOXsTIwT/qDVU+mwCIQ6rilvmzZ6k8tjrxe1QVb3ImGG75YBL3 Hrjg== eh2mr15507448pad.21.1435430449384; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (160-3-147-43.cpe.cableone.net. [160.3.147.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm37223089pdp.24.2015.06.27.11.40.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:40:44 -0700 From: Badger Mountain Motorworks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: 'Shop Talk' References: <66.55.25175.85BEE855@cdptpa-oedge02> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop light T8 to LED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 27 20:19:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC022584568 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EAE25805B0 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oigx81 with SMTP id x81so98090422oig.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6WT1rnnS0kGuuDee5KgLSwUanUxcg92duOjj7Lc0mN0=; b=eLB9EfCh0sdxjzCMJKcNFc91cochd5DUNiBk0Uhccz6IGWKXIH30SkpycqSSLwRA73 43yVYmgEV7vsiUytNRP0hGzS8rPcfl1mk30DL+nxBBosU9xAgjJHAHROrfWF76z1c300 1wtMRKkPqJa/u359biRFBmBXcbLp9YKqovvYz3MOcegdTHUuY0TaRUECsfBYWeKFqH+w oGaspPRRiWUFngp2+X1zZdrqpXMJTDk1QMr1EYIXQDr8q7VSi0lqiialP5IkVhhSObTj yPr8dTFIuIHL5uJH/d106Cd/hJbNrzCFUbh1IUD4kE8zq0xcd6vnHulQUiqA98bvsEMX EvaQ== q10mr5670522obp.78.1435457758440; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.172.3 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <000f01d0b101$25bb2610$71317230$@lotusowners.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:15:58 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Shop light T8 to LED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Tony Vaccaro wrote: > If you are not using the ballast, what do you modify to use this? > How does it work? > You wire it straight to mains. there are also some that work with an existing ballast; they won't be as efficient, but they're certainly easier. None of the ones I've seen have had an output anywhere close to a good t8 fluorescent bulb, including the ones that claimed to. That's measured, with a good light meter, not subjective. They're getting better, and will get there eventually, but they're not there yet. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 29 11:20:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520B22587689 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E7C258765A for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:20:47 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:59:23 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 06/29/2015 12:59:25, Serialize complete at 06/29/2015 12:59:25 Subject: [Shop-talk] do we have any metal guys here of high caliber? (shop related) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is there anyone here that can help me calculate the thickness of steel I would need to build something like this... http://www.rangemasterrowdy.com/dueling-tree-steel-targets.htm But something that could withstand 38 special /40 cal/ and if possible, 5.56 Nato rounds? I don't know where to look for table that explain steal resistance to weapons fire. I do know that I will be angling the targets so they will not be square to the impact force, which adds another dimension to the calculations that I don't know how to determine. Thanks. (If anyone one is in the NJ area and wants to come and shoot once it's built, you are more than welcome.) Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 29 11:43:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0942584B82 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEC925804AB for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcji3 with SMTP id i3so45084338qcj.1 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lJ/3hZKzFHlNTUVK+6mHaj4VQCGsDscmEtsO85ujRSs=; b=IdRL8niFPSXhbGoKNSOmIOoPuWm9fwDn4D0VLV0VF/K2KG0NK+jjCn2ncTTfIOkbqU mozHg9Soqe/G7Cb7geXFyBh6RVm3LmQfgXDHQBKJmjVw/eTNUL0pqxBoZEzBcmpB0kah CSdi7ZRTdWBJhv43YOSmyoPHPAvFsntRFjtume/aHjKZ5Zdw9uKzQdq4gVvulNc3jxI1 hnPK83wBGp3Ov7qIB976+Shx7K7StnLo8aUr1CdQ910sBXt8rzFxhyA3w24tzr0LrWT3 5Z6VQrwaZHZWGl/DYvHlqbxf9qKwjKdZL2EAfVIetD/VqoRaCibhKCI785/x7uP1ad6D j5xw== y23mr20428405qgd.90.1435599558709; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.21.137 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:39:18 -0500 From: John Innis To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] do we have any metal guys here of high caliber? (shop related) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The thickness is not so much the thing as the grade of steel. You need a minimum of AR500 for the rifle calibers, and preferably AR550 (if you can find it). 3/8" is probably good enough for 5.56 at 100 yards, but not any closer/, if you want to shoot closer or move up to magnum calibers, you need at least 1/2". Even 1/2" of AR500 is going to get dimpled at any range less than 50 yards when shooting rifle calibers. Not for the tricky part, cutting AR grade steel is a pain in the butt. The AR designation means that it is abrasion resistant. This is accomplished via surface heat treating. Cutting AR500 with a torch (and to a lesser degree a plasma cutter) heats the steel enough to destroy the heat treat along the cut edge. So for small targets, you can completely destroy the AR treatment and end up with pain old steel. Laser and water jut cutting greatly reduces this, but does not eliminate it. Another solution is to redo the AR heat treat after cutting the parts out. This requires a specialized fixture that can heat treat the surfaces without hardening the whole piece. For this reason, most folks who don't have access to high end metal cutting equipment just buy already made targets like you describe. On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > Is there anyone here that can help me calculate the thickness of steel I > would need to build something like this... > > http://www.rangemasterrowdy.com/dueling-tree-steel-targets.htm > > But something that could withstand 38 special /40 cal/ and if possible, > 5.56 Nato rounds? > > I don't know where to look for table that explain steal resistance to > weapons fire. > > I do know that I will be angling the targets so they will not be square to > the impact force, which adds another dimension to the calculations that I > don't know how to determine. > > Thanks. > > (If anyone one is in the NJ area and wants to come and shoot once it's > built, you are more than welcome.) > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 29 12:03:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8952425879EB for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC17625877C6 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421B0273CE2; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wOAQ-TMESGif; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.156.198]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 25BA530C0B7; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:00:26 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] do we have any metal guys here of high caliber? (shop related) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have made a bunch of mild steel targets. .223 and 7.62x37 will shoot through 1/4 and 3/8" at normal ranges and can penetrate 1/2" closer up, and will spall the surface badly at any ranges. .308 will penetrate and spall just about anything you're going to build out of scrap. 9mm, .40 cal and jacketed .38 special will badly deform 1/4" and 3/8", making ricochets very unpredictable. After years of making my own steel targets, only to have them shot to crap in a few sessions, I finally started buying professionally made armor plate targets. I have had great luck with these guys: > http://shootingtargets7.com/ I only make my own targets now for .22. On 6/29/2015 9:59 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Is there anyone here that can help me calculate the thickness of steel I > would need to build something like this... > > http://www.rangemasterrowdy.com/dueling-tree-steel-targets.htm > > But something that could withstand 38 special /40 cal/ and if possible, > 5.56 Nato rounds? > > I don't know where to look for table that explain steal resistance to > weapons fire. > > I do know that I will be angling the targets so they will not be square to > the impact force, which adds another dimension to the calculations that I > don't know how to determine. > > Thanks. > > (If anyone one is in the NJ area and wants to come and shoot once it's > built, you are more than welcome.) > > > Sent from my Commodore 64 on a 2400 Baud Modem. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 29 12:43:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC78225851D1 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008632584C71 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.248.153.253] ([172.248.153.253:3613] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 16/E7-32177-6E191955; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:43:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:43:48 -0700 Thread-Index: AdCylgc8dd9TlklYTF+IhABBW9S4dwAA4z2Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] do we have any metal guys here of high caliber? (shop related) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm certainly no expert, but I believe the trick is to angle the steel so the bullets only hit a glancing blow. Basically a steep funnel, that directs the flying bullets into kind of a dust trap arrangement where they eventually lose all their energy and fall to the bottom. Or put some sort of absorbing medium in the bottom, like sand or mulch. Google for "bullet trap diy", you'll find lots of designs. Here's one http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/forum/f277/making-your-own-bullet-trap-295357/ For higher caliber, you probably need to make the angles steeper rather than just making the steel heavier. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive