From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 7 14:27:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D638F2580290 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:27:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51766258011C for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:24:33 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:11:58 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/07/2015 16:11:54, Serialize complete at 02/07/2015 16:11:54 Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have this lock on my shop door...(not this exact model, but they are pretty universal.) >https://www.google.com/shopping/product/929947669100305996?q=simplex+combination+door+lock&biw=1280&bih=909&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY&tch=1&ech=1&psi=RYLWVI7nNcShNr7YgYAC.1423344205404.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX0CIlsOCNb676a1hTuvMidoOrU4cTHVwJVJNw-E-BwqN04yAthx_STsdpJZAXMMX4zKfLyACf2dnx6HxedIxdRzBMgXwa0PrJmwPAlY92gZ7ZGYTzhIZAFPVH727dL1KTdKA2mzicfWeyaS1qu25bw&sa=X&ei=SYLWVOL2FcmlNs2dg9gM&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA< For a few years, I've had the problem of it not unlocking in freezing cold. I've tried lubricating it to no avail (I don't know if that might have made it worst.) The problem with fixing it is that as soon as I remove it and open it up, it's warm enough to funciton properly. I thought about leaving it in a freezer but I don't know if that would work. Any ideas for soving this delima? (This lock is rated for outdoor use.) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 7 15:13:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF97258058D for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:13:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFA3258011C for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:05:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.241]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id paAG1p0065Clt1L01aANDl; Sat, 07 Feb 2015 22:10:22 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:8:b880:b527:2461:bf01:3150:780e]) by resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id paAL1p00L5SPAY401aAMM0; Sat, 07 Feb 2015 22:10:22 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: , References: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:10:14 -0800 s=q20140121; t=1423347022; bh=Gu0rA3Rq8OY0yXzHW8JQH9GtG24fpLlBVzfm4zI3+mg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fLDvo1maIGvz8u4yg79Ur/8/uvFk7QZUhRiVcFIxDrAATAbg24OdrKqWGrlvBHq+l b7O532j0lk4ulI8kqW0YVeKxnpRXJrJ/37umxx+N64w5Jq12YI4LVhhenZesrjFNOy pgQbpSBdYeBfUap5x6cc7v5TCByN/cEUXGQscj4G5Y8SIZC1wCwwPvZtSXwoKQqTgE RfPXDfYeOL+v2/xly5QQ9MiXwobr5tRMerO0TFdYLzhda4ekbAI5Gh9UpNOQ3bQ2sP Ln6KEXGFkS5D9SaR530Gu8VKUjKPqHQjajOhn5Am6b/Gahp13cYQGgk9x4cNR4MNQ2 t11rQ2n/3A7Rw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I've tried lubricating it to no avail (I don't know if that might > have made it worst.) Back in the days when I was (barely) earning a living as a photographer, the SOP for cold-proofing mechanical cameras was to strip them of all lubricants. If it were my lock misbehaving, I'd clean it out and re-lube with something silicone-based. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 7 15:28:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FAA2580468 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:28:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEAF258023F for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B97273B25 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 22:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7Sa4AuXH9+11 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 22:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.110.203]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 730282F80BE for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 22:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:23:49 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <9487F8442932415197A3EE8E7C152DA8@BigBlack> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's what my dad and a whole lot of other GIs found out in Korea, too. You probably don't want to do what they did to thaw them out. On 2/7/2015 2:10 PM, Bob Kegel wrote: > > Back in the days when I was (barely) earning a living as a > photographer, the SOP for cold-proofing mechanical cameras was to > strip them of all lubricants. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 7 15:29:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EB12580A18 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:29:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2980A258020D for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by iecvy18 with SMTP id vy18so9030142iec.8 for ; Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:25:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=iDHlSexvFzRdnRCLf7/JMWCQfBdeE4+CYlSJMtOqGH8=; b=szdFtNLOe1H+vgy+R/SncGX5f6r+Xy1FWbQBdE70zfsuY7cW3oa4HaON9IjXESKIM2 /MV/EEx8wRNTSjTz9Y6bsNZsps++CAFWrpa+k1A+JGAklYXNdsGHSv3CG7xoEaGsfxP4 hjfm6X0MwD4quUe8t4SitZEY6X34dO3EzNeiOLihwTPX4+x92G+n8rVht8EQ+FTtvn4m igQ/OOQGJawezIfX4ZXxxW5ArtbTv1XmQ7+U3lKerf37iEQ5+9eiuz69liMlrd/9WffJ nG1K5Ms9UQj6SXQ7e8C0xLlKtGpgQmyBCbn6nwrOGTsUZeQf35HsAKJLoN30Dwsr6fPk etLw== ow6mt3430421icc.66.1423347903976; Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.108.109 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:25:03 -0800 (PST) References: <9487F8442932415197A3EE8E7C152DA8@BigBlack> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:25:03 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Bob Kegel wrote: > If it were my lock misbehaving, I'd clean it out and re-lube with something > silicone-based. Or better yet, a dry graphite powder. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 17:43:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCDA2584885 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:43:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2632580322 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdjy10 with SMTP id y10so4427991pdj.13 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mpbPdtuESC7IgM485zKSLL/M6Z2+xL+6zdlaV1bBQ9c=; b=dwUsPUVAX8kHmMKv9wtn7eGCAsAP2erPwnBJfOL6thNXdqeULvTiacwO4BkSjFVNGd Gk+jsq9lRz/pgEGCEMLUKMUJekQT/uU+PuFkrH5IgAnMgj/xfuVtpWatnl9Lo+Ly+FoW Wxpgxi6c3zMZTY/M6XnRTSOIQnX2joShHX8cXF3WcneR+wRuFADQ4r56pBkokCvZDYb8 tMEdM9flDxOdwRtHc/qGMmfQUionrbE9w+Fz23KWAjcEF1LSEulHv90WFdVYLjUWgNI3 zqL8AE0qy9qoksrOwff/3s1S5i6yAkQR0a20FIl+I8gNphj5QwSM0TKIHl5JhnctZ7DX OljQ== fq2mr751610pad.12.1423529236912; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:47:16 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I give up. I've been buying replacement halogen bulbs from Harbor Freight and it seems the more I buy the faster they burn out. The last two bulbs I installed burned out within 4 hours and during that time I didn't move the light once. NOT acceptable! Any suggestions on where I can buy good quality replacement bulbs for a reasonable price? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 17:45:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B00325848E3 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:45:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DE8258048A for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:45:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdev10 with SMTP id v10so17711111pde.7 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:50:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iy0VM+dBe+FsCVH9FRqrL1UMQN9ZCBWSJ7X65s7EKyM=; b=dV224PElsgtF2sSAE/e/i9eumCsWfSN/7upPeCmuygX+I7jNV/orSR69OsH7PpdQAd R0SjHkwzYOrkMa6moXrZiPcO/Y6i8gmq3yqbLVOZwQeECbrRndZywIxxWmsCwkPPdsBv glgRaEkfQXiEiyul/MVYgMAzI1X53On881Pwi7aGbLu72jIuVa7N2qQAuK2SaJg900up qCLxBWKjlRepq0eHeAMSOSOj4vMXMTUM32Piq+5oPUewqtb4McbZkAWy+zCPQmNq9ITt RSkJDbrCRYM2ydP7ZbMpr79q2tehXJ3RpbS1vh8OlBea40zaKzGhFo+hPISIOtXotOIe Ix2g== cd10mr33829308pdb.48.1423529405101; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:50:05 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I end up using needs to be stable but portable. I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what not? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 17:59:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F0E2584B95 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:59:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924872580AC0 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:56:48 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:44:19 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/09/2015 19:44:06, Serialize complete at 02/09/2015 19:44:06 Cc: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just have a 6" sewer pipe with two pieces of C channel on the ends. It's free standing, but heavy enough to hold still when in use. Note, I also have 2 grinders mounted, back to back, on them. I just spin them around to get to the other grinder. Works great. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Brad Kahler Sent by: "Shop-talk" 02/09/2015 07:32 PM To Shop Talk List cc Subject [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I end up using needs to be stable but portable. I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what not? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 18:16:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9F12584B46 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:16:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4BE2584732 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id lf10so29879524pab.12 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:20:45 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oztWS+/TbgCqCjk/hnaPzP6bcXOIA6LpwMpFcmjpNww=; b=Kvy09un8ZejnLoNx2GV1bVnYvT9HEiNYGInyr1GCIsAXFqmcIr7UWc60TQYQ2w0X8B 8tHeJnf2kdT10PWXDhrnIke5kF3QQb0nZyQZjQChp7H/i1SCRLVd6jH0yHuiqUCgN9fx 9XxrDI7jqs7GXWJYPuHK8pcW6FkMiEByyo0SdLrCgNqTL6nBZQLSDeNR+0o3uT0XGOPk QOxFo/zyFy4kkRfii0u46FgIwqVLdr6Wks28ZcTbDmPj5TVa97b17ZwXMS8QOS55Ppif EoSRJjp/gDsesLGW5IwHJkNC8zp7jGPi2u7vAIxnLjhF9mps58kQjOyIv/gjT5SW9E8y Yg2Q== pv2mr34008917pbb.48.1423531245486; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:20:45 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:20:45 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Got a picture you could send me? Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:44 PM, wrote: > > I just have a 6" sewer pipe with two pieces of C channel on the ends. > It's free standing, but heavy enough to hold still when in use. Note, I > also have 2 grinders mounted, back to back, on them. I just spin them > around to get to the other grinder. > > Works great. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 18:28:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50D22584C20 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:28:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48722584B2B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:19:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150210012424.PYDS32693.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:24:24 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id qRQQ1p00D4uwYHU01RQQ3b; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:24:24 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=c-JOwDoeAAAA:8 a=YieQUjN_AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XsrroS05WkjEXQN2T1YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=ewcT4PZEwn8A:10 a=cYjlWyBoZVnX6N9f:21 a=OOv97HS4ExdIVSbF:21 a=YHk6UalsCtQ54eVQyicA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=W1K-Sv_0X2hAuq_u:21 a=e2DjXWnsx1xJfVim:21 a=2O6KXcYFmaOGsLjj:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:15:44 -0500 To: "Shop Talk List" From: "John T. Blair" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 07:50 PM 2/9/2015, Brad Kahler wrote: >I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of >movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I >end up using needs to be stable but portable. Brad, What my neighbor did for all his tools like that was to purchase some stands from Sears and put wheels on them. Similar to this: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-workstation/p-00922284000P?prdNo=1 Most pedistals will probably be too unstable unless secured to the floor. Harbor freight has a Universal Bench Grinder Stand that looks like it might be more stable than a three legged pedistal: http://www.harborfreight.com/universal-bench-grinder-stand-3184.html John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. 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In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 18:43:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587E025844E3 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:43:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S17.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s17.hotmail.com [65.54.190.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E91258035A for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:43:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY179-W68 ([65.54.190.124]) by BAY004-OMC2S17.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:47:57 -0800 From: Brian and Wendy To: Shop Talk List Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:47:56 -0700 References: , <6.2.5.6.1.20150209200209.04c5b4b0@cox.net> FILETIME=[981055E0:01D044D3] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My dad has had a couple of grinders on stands using old semi-truck wheels as the base. They are extremely stable and don't move around. They have been this way for years (30+). They consist of a piece of 4" pipe, welded to the wheel, with a flat plate welded to the top that the grinder can bolt to. Occasionally the wheels crack through the lug holes and are no longer useful. You may be able to get a tire shop to give you one of those. Also, if you can find the old split rim type, people will usually give those away as well. You could also probably use regular car/truck wheels, you just may need to add some concrete for ballast. Any of the above options should be easily moved with a hand truck. Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 18:57:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852F225808BB for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:57:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25432580749 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:48:42 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=ShUpEt_lWqHbMglRMw8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:54363] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 0C/B4-27877-E8469D45; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:53:19 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Shop Talk List" References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:30:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've been told to not touch the glass bulb with bare hands. The oils from your fingers can dramatically shorten the life. Use (clean) cotton gloves if you're not otherwise unable to avoid touching the glass. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- >I give up. I've been buying replacement halogen bulbs from Harbor Freight > and it seems the more I buy the faster they burn out. The last two bulbs > I > installed burned out within 4 hours and during that time I didn't move the > light once. NOT acceptable! > > Any suggestions on where I can buy good quality replacement bulbs for a > reasonable price? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 19:32:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1022580B0E for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:32:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B4625802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:31:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by iery20 with SMTP id y20so21529156ier.1 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:36:35 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nobS1EeJego1F6WnBZzWmgxrJRU8rOd8o+CV9U1EEko=; b=iiRRhIX71UrRyOLHlmxdGVQrJd+2YhvncJj+0zakvXl0AgxKxTRLqfvHVTNtlN5G0N j4umx0UMUMYsddIQbvYZC7/sx1tL7N4GsRahyWMLVOC7S5Dk59IAYbetD0V+c5Gzp7gw EVm7TSmCAfPKSnn3e0JISSNcEy8sO4xYUyuXnemBI6sDUFyJDsOczm0tBLm0DbF1/cdg ON0e0RRIGlHG5iPhD+6q4utxp7QwTxAu5ZZnuZtLM6cXUauAJKb+JPgq5a0AEVksQ27d dQ7xW1Ga0zbwx1ThDGxnFSn4RY8kSoJP6FnmH+7KQvcRu5ceOGUo1joalUi8t7II2p51 I0yw== iz4mr24046011icc.77.1423535795114; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.65.37 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:36:35 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:36:35 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have one of those Craftsman folding workbenches with the two-piece clamping top surface. It is pretty stable. I also have several benchtop tools, like a small router table, a small band saw, and a buffer. I mounted each of these tools on a a 14" x 24" piece of plywood with an additional 2" wide strip running across the underside. To use a tool, I put it on top of the workbench with the 2" strip between the two pieces of workbench table, so it can be clamped in place. The tools that are not being used live on some shelving brackets on my garage wall. This system has worked well for me. Doug On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of > movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I > end up using needs to be stable but portable. > > I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only > work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. > > Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what not? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 19:43:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282192584903 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:43:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18D625802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:38:34 -0700 (MST) To: Brad Kahler From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:26:06 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/09/2015 21:25:52, Serialize complete at 02/09/2015 21:25:52 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll post some tomorrow. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Brad Kahler 02/09/2015 08:03 PM To eric@megageek.com cc Shop Talk List Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Eric, Got a picture you could send me? Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:44 PM, wrote: I just have a 6" sewer pipe with two pieces of C channel on the ends. It's free standing, but heavy enough to hold still when in use. Note, I also have 2 grinders mounted, back to back, on them. I just spin them around to get to the other grinder. Works great. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 19:58:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F182584B60 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:58:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E94C258492C for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:48:21 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1423536777; bh=vqB0fiik1Sp1s8E2dX4+YiIX3q0b6YiFia2Or5Ke+Nw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=ELMlt5SPMYMnVy4TSDSyROGdhwo3koBg8pg04DQSoWLSI4E0b8lLVXtTRZ7Ecbb2oLP+ildqdI2TVrmxBCOhbIBuPa2UYLbbu5bPjK6dC7/ctbmeQwFArL6A7qxKPQ/pRDyV56LD0E3cZPdg3Yo2IxRyDTFo69H/lQE4Ud5nZHrZCX0g6LZvEUxXxpFyyXoHA5/1ljW1faUCU7+B5uB+0oHKLSz/zJZAOu7HFm0ciithN9Wm1j1SGfUDqgVM9EsPe2NdB7+oSKHSYgZS6L+gokUQMAsE+s1XATFVwj6Ib2ZEMFbwuOw7onjNTKe5NgoLJF5ANpnzCtFLIJpBh1ZY6g== Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 02:52:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 02:52:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 02:52:57 -0000 rJV9IurJd3gjBc1yhn4nB_mwAJvVKd3p_XvIS20rjHHBm0UotLhYb.goXPF9 EMB.LhWszisuJRaXKLiH7zz4PgAltd396R1bVPXUFO7VHH08JpcFmk4nVQAa 9JVU.eT5uvcJwiB88otK_mT.elyqJdQRfmYQPBC0vFdArnBnlXRM6Gnmr5Ab jKl0YIQ2h3AF2nLEPorIMPbPhCST8M3Sia8UBODUDOT0BHwIctKlY7HpDoEK SiXq5iBgImk3_4PmJwLBk6nXfkpSdtB2EzsadD98C6JyuBu5LgZXzxF5oEsW 9M9kxcorSwhPcyMHiNhdAgPPPTgJPz19hlUqXF7ltvcOaYuxGX.sj8v9v81H 8DbTNqMFKOEWq98NtSCn98UY.shDFJbEmkSdytDAPsmQmuursKkV.0_JcVa. jeBDWodJhh_iSQUxR3Rzn4XsVfw44F1TFZQvIIYG8wBYdm01JpJdz2hYnkY5 N00tZCNKiDcFGFtBG6SPUc_mJ347AV4JPHLTIVgC_b4.514y85wclMc9yWyE T.OxqsitXZt6BTilu.q9GvNDQnfAYTkrCPg2iBb9nZoGUc64mY_Q- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:53:52 -0500 From: Jim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Brad Kahler , Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Relating to an earlier post on another topic, I have had bad experiences with my F250's brakes. The good news is the wasted rotors make nice heavy bases for different kinds of tool stands, including a grinder. I welded a plate to the bottom of a 2x3 inch tube and drilled holes in that plate to bolt to the rotor. Another plate welded to the top of the tube serves as a base for the grinder. The heft of the rotor keeps it firmly planted, easy to stand on for more stability if needed, and easy to move around. I made a similar one to hold a mailbox to win the war against the city plows. It falls down, I stand it up. A greatwinter survivor. Jim On 2/9/2015 7:50 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of > movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I > end up using needs to be stable but portable. > > I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only > work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. > > Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what not? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 20:28:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B72A2580852 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:28:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BFB25802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:18:09 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1423538565; bh=zw9DTMg5X6Tnjo3JzLRAPoMmjBbwYnDxrHgAWmALOuQ=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=dDwVJ93mlj9pwYsNW77P9lRijWydObIDjV5y0Xnk6kp4QkYyzZ9K8+XcSknZlIewVNUBKSfTuMiE2SbdbWhqPT4+qU/l+9pe0VWpXP8vPklbDSrPfJC7Q6YFNUXagXegFWAZRKU0iifAmJBePTmUnT5K0G5u0cxOJSzlG/gjFwSf8m0HU3ipYn/fAUoEiQr956jwMllDLuCczLhVuql9Tf535Pv4on6buZgCfOrf3ZerM8PiIbD3xc+xCQky6wC1N+ubHoJGJuf6Pn/bSuQ35O1L0RksTm45qxJPgpmebQK2mmH//4phgGuNWmQ2uUkAtFaWtYhea4QnpnGujUmAdg== Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 03:22:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 03:22:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 03:22:45 -0000 Pbyv_oWXOCRiw.P6hSsbiLo86jDdCVz6ygRumNNLpz.JCG3TaxeIicoy_811 vabHjNHo2oe4zCB.RqWyu4Z_LBY9tyuPtmVBx107CQmDiOMGaN_YsBYWtHBq VMQ8tKWy1GdZBPZCbImu1gxHoIHD01tzVDWOsOWpBiYtJSkidypghu9GY1iX PVqdxMqBI1LeOAogG_np2iXvR29uOf_WbFSlyy4ChLSSxJM7AOoPGyI9zN7J y5vvnO3EoGEIS5T2YpyNEb7rYv4oBZvWPqhWkcZRlbuoezTP71g8z.cb7n6u 2ouPIBf2LsTkDl2EAQgamp6.qS0lyC2WYiZOaaFIGFO7andTkrznFE4ql1W7 Yo6Zcn7EjEmLvKnGLGb81_D5R92WafL3jtxPd.gqunr3u.Q0rCOerf84eREH 9g1kn_s4DFFIrh9pjJGrm3W.cWZSZ18unIFrGBA45l2ekZItEv1.siMbi.pU hC0x5PAKC6ssU78dqLOgpy_AuPhi_pAAIGcoXh_d4omjywxnk From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:22:46 -0600 Thread-Index: AQKZoLRNukdIq8o6x7prx2pf/dkzuAKVm1/3m0HQjuA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another possibility is a large truck brake drum filled with concrete, with a pipe upright and a steel top. Large diameter is more important than absolute weight - even a big circle of 1/2" steel would work well and you could stand on it to add stability if you're using it for heavy buffing or wire-wheeling on big stuff. I use a now-unobtainable option. My Dad found a round cast iron "No Parking" sign base sometime in the late 40's and it's pretty much perfect. Probably 40-50 pounds, about 18" in diameter at the base, easy to roll to another location, and really sturdy. I've never seen another one, but if they're still to be found somewhere, it's a perfect base. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Relating to an earlier post on another topic, I have had bad experiences with my F250's brakes. The good news is the wasted rotors make nice heavy bases for different kinds of tool stands, including a grinder _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 20:43:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCF0258475B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:43:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979FA25805B5 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:37:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by iecat20 with SMTP id at20so13343465iec.12 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:41:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qBt3HLYLj0vRKZ0tMSjO+pfUTA//UTCOBvQ/z23BQWM=; b=JdbwneobPLEJ9p793l3adbEaszjph1wjysk8eUUjltw3EeKkuup0h9OzdJLe/IXrp2 LQF4GSVihABwVM4oMkydrP1MKu0FzyRpPp70GzyDq4Ki5hN371uP5+1ps4dmUL091KsL 40ByBiSQmJ+iqxVZiZksBNCFjfCMiuq+dQ1mNViLkF6sOfaijARuoFit0OBN+XWUkRKp /zsRvtXTPcoO+DaVm2kUxBD84QLvT2oOBIsBEps68ftC1XNSx8EZ+7Y9jBX8J1mnFZXD lgbyNphjoGkD6rYTkMX1LMk6/evzNtWY8TuKPBYOACu034+YyyiU1fYXBfx1PG521Wa+ boMQ== Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.83.73 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:41:55 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:41:55 -0600 From: RandE To: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I did something similar. I mounted some benchtop tools (scroll saw, grinder, sheetmetal brake, etc.) to a piece of plywood and attached a cleat across the underside. I can put this on my Workmate and clamp against the cleat to hold everything in place and it's still portable. Randy On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > I have one of those Craftsman folding workbenches with the two-piece > clamping top surface. > It is pretty stable. I also have several benchtop tools, like a small > router table, a small band saw, and a buffer. > I mounted each of these tools on a a 14" x 24" piece of plywood with an > additional 2" wide strip running across > the underside. To use a tool, I put it on top of the workbench with the 2" > strip between the two pieces of > workbench table, so it can be clamped in place. The tools that are not > being used live on some shelving brackets > on my garage wall. > > This system has worked well for me. > > Doug > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > > I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort > of > > movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever > I > > end up using needs to be stable but portable. > > > > I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only > > work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. > > > > Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what > not? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rande@pobox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 20:59:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAC3258049F for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:59:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2453925802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:59:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B18E4E60D for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id I2aLLvwBqBPS for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.110.203]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AE3002F8093 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:04:02 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> <006601d044e0$d821ef10$8865cd30$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Or even not filled with concrete. I have several grinders mounted on large brake drums from school buses. Heavy and large enough that no concrete is needed. Check with your local school district bus barn; they may have an old one you can have. On 2/9/2015 7:22 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Another possibility is a large truck brake drum filled with concrete, with a > pipe upright and a steel top. Large diameter is more important than > absolute weight - even a big circle of 1/2" steel would work well and you > could stand on it to add stability if you're using it for heavy buffing or > wire-wheeling on big stuff. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 21:29:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB3C2584868 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:29:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5968F25802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:18:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:23:20 -0800 id 00000000002800AF.0000000054D987B8.00003551 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:23:19 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> <006601d044e0$d821ef10$8865cd30$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I use a now-unobtainable option. My Dad found a round cast iron "No > Parking" sign base sometime in the late 40's and it's pretty much perfect. > Probably 40-50 pounds, about 18" in diameter at the base, easy to roll to > another location, and really sturdy. I've never seen another one, but if > they're still to be found somewhere, it's a perfect base. This has *absolutely* nothing to do with bench grinder bases, though I think a disc or slab of steel or an old wheel with suitable weight on it should work fine. I grew up in a house in the Sunset end of San Francisco, and our house - like many of the houses in the area - was equipped with a wonderfully sturdy kitchen table that was a linoleum-topped square of plywood attached to an oval shaped piece of 1/2in steel base. My father, who'd been working in the Kaiser shipyards in Richmond until he was drafted in early 1943, noted that that all those oval-shaped table bases were passageway cutouts from Liberty ship bulkheads. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 9 22:44:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7DD258471B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:44:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A45925802F1 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:39:38 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FuVKfWwhAh360eZCzR+FfXSgHnni0wd6v2wxvxhoQ2dzu6ErmbiRtJGckOfVzps6; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.254.73.8] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YL3cM-0007gK-CW; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:44:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:43:59 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Brad Kahler References: Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second Doug's idea. Assorted pieces of plywood with a 1x2 screwed to them make good bases. I clamp it in my Black and Decker Workmate. Another option is to attach your pedestal to a sheet of thicker plywood and stand on the plywood while you grind. Use some threaded inserts to make the base easily removable for storage. Brian On 2/9/2015 6:36 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > I have one of those Craftsman folding workbenches with the two-piece > clamping top surface. > It is pretty stable. I also have several benchtop tools, like a small > router table, a small band saw, and a buffer. > I mounted each of these tools on a a 14" x 24" piece of plywood with an > additional 2" wide strip running across > the underside. To use a tool, I put it on top of the workbench with the 2" > strip between the two pieces of > workbench table, so it can be clamped in place. The tools that are not > being used live on some shelving brackets > on my garage wall. > > This system has worked well for me. > > Doug > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort of >> movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever I >> end up using needs to be stable but portable. >> >> I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only >> work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. >> >> Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what not? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 00:00:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE220258497E for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:00:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.active-server.com (mail.active-server.com [206.190.136.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920842584708 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:58:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from DellOffice (50-46-124-135.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.124.135]) by mail.active-server.com with SMTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:02:29 -0800 From: "Kent Sullivan" To: "'Shop Talk List'" References: , <6.2.5.6.1.20150209200209.04c5b4b0@cox.net> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:02:28 -0800 Organization: CorvairKid Enterprises Thread-Index: AQHEPDTViNFhKD8ye2RvS8ydDEk6IgHH8I7rAqzl0Mec3d+f4A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I went the wheel-and-post route ~15 years ago and have been very happy with the stability. Bonus is you can roll it easily over short distances to do minor repositions. --Kent -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian and Wendy Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 5:48 PM To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal My dad has had a couple of grinders on stands using old semi-truck wheels as the base. They are extremely stable and don't move around. They have been this way for years (30+). They consist of a piece of 4" pipe, welded to the wheel, with a flat plate welded to the top that the grinder can bolt to. Occasionally the wheels crack through the lug holes and are no longer useful. You may be able to get a tire shop to give you one of those. Also, if you can find the old split rim type, people will usually give those away as well. You could also probably use regular car/truck wheels, you just may need to add some concrete for ballast. Any of the above options should be easily moved with a hand truck. Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 04:06:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB852258049A for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:06:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEA12580359 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:05:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id hz1so11909269pad.9 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:10:28 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zSFqDZCbk985baiJKoytPt7j0WeABziVlSdvct6ClkA=; b=T7adF4C9kBeyzlyKLAfQAKDyxVFRLxukgsw64aVJtOeYHAl3uzq/R262Alz681TyVC YiZngL5oqmHcgl1ffLpTA7oXjB7PLmtWhdkqIyFHEUs1WW0HSbc6SvqDnqdBvAqJ2Nip NCjJw2xd4kT8BPuuQRavBaCPEsKnp4zzXjfnJsroD39qUuVLgeH3uwEdDhvcQ0vLnZh1 9p/NxCTiYzrNamxNjwT86OqQn2Frqb8Rf+8DFw/p/PYyUCIT3Dv+GvhQoo89LdkCJGoF 3hbPqoObqABpC6ZtPmgyps09ut8XW+vmx71yJb/mDSjn8PYjfwe8LbklewrjOV322T4G 8eRA== du2mr36591891pbb.107.1423566628532; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:10:28 -0800 (PST) References: <6.2.5.6.1.20150209200209.04c5b4b0@cox.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:10:28 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: "John T. Blair" Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John, The Sears bench has a larger foot print than I would like. I didn't realize Harbor Freight made stands like the one in the link you provided. That one has some potential although moving or sliding it around might prove a little difficult. My shop setup is somewhat fluid as I'm always moving things around depending on the project I'm working on at the time. Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:15 PM, John T. Blair wrote: > At 07:50 PM 2/9/2015, Brad Kahler wrote: > > >I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort > of > >movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever > I > >end up using needs to be stable but portable. > > Brad, > > What my neighbor did for all his tools like that was to purchase some > stands from > Sears and put wheels on them. Similar to this: > > http://www.sears.com/craftsman-workstation/p-00922284000P?prdNo=1 > > Most pedistals will probably be too unstable unless secured to the floor. > > Harbor freight has a Universal Bench Grinder Stand that looks like it might > be more stable than a three legged pedistal: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/universal-bench-grinder-stand-3184.html > > John > > > John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net > Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 > > 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) > 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III > 65 Rambler Classic > > Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan > Bricklin: www.bricklin.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 04:18:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40D72580590 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:18:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1D3258009C for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdjy10 with SMTP id y10so15930112pdj.6 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:22:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3TVU6qUgrmMqCM6/Qb6KDqx0+9OtroflOrkXWwdGTXE=; b=peocUTYhd62bUtpi8v+2y6vgD19NnjiRofplxxa8NUFsU8DZZlkkqDmZclj7c+EIr5 1qZupj9tear8k+VQDFfLlwidkM1TNBBqMidqI8WEvfuc1fZoacLA3J5jmjrCrQP4TofJ Ee2yFP1LIS7CDDEt5eBCwri7z37Jd6haAt0dTe7ldXqSE+RtEiFer4n2H+MrFNM1HazG cGyzgY1L3v4n46/H9mFyj4640zzV4b5KO/7loY7HFEdpwAzPfqYJzoyx60iegccSF/ry bPpXZiVoh1G9JYmx0SDwlBVOCjx2zcE0Hk4GTJuvMDJ4Gi5TV2EgRE63qQWhyira5zMR Jtmg== z6mr36348413pdp.18.1423567331879; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:22:11 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:22:11 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Ted Rodgers Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ted, This appears to be the flood lamp replacement LED blub. Definitely pricey at $27 but if it lasts at least 27 times longer the cost could easily be justified. Depending one other responses to my query I might give it a try. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-tube/8w-r7s-led-floodlight-replacement-lamp/1192/2808/ Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Ted Rodgers wrote: > I've had good luck with this company: > > https://www.superbrightleds.com/ > > > I give up. I've been buying replacement halogen bulbs from Harbor Freight > and it seems the more I buy the faster they burn out. The last two bulbs I > installed burned out within 4 hours and during that time I didn't move the > light once. NOT acceptable! > > Any suggestions on where I can buy good quality replacement bulbs for a > reasonable price? > > Thanks! > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rodgers356@email.msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 04:19:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468DE25805FD for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:19:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0212580359 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:19:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id kq14so12001848pab.3 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N6sdMScP7chZ2RIbPAbt/v7PYQeImVR4IHBraBmjT8Q=; b=bF5lo2zcwBJZJpAO66u5JW8xk8uFsbqLSs24mmBlA/CC84PSeZGSwkrQWsDRwNlJSI P/RpMqNPZpc9Ldv0dJ6lje6Fi8pxrIunV69cvh1aGH1P62r3qWdReJ8u5r/lOCga+FQ7 ZaOLiP9F8K8tlbtRWcdytKwwPF7yzuNvBiEozKsbrVyF8ITqIEeL3tb2Gp2QtrLlzwDl BclfeaRRGTdvM5kdC8EDftygoHCPNeYeYlvqDmmpjllzJT0tR1JH/tzDmy7IBWLNqUq/ 0LJ3kXooCTzvBw72NzYi/m6rejoqrluYUJ7bF17N8N7pPH1xIRBp0a2lVSgbbi+Jq885 iDoA== lf12mr37658681pab.67.1423567459347; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) References: <6.2.5.6.1.20150209200209.04c5b4b0@cox.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:24:19 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Brian and Wendy Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, When I posted my request a used wheel was what was lurking in the back of my mind. I'm curious to see the picture(s) Eric will be posting to see what his sand looks like. There's a used truck place south of me that I might try calling to see what they have for used wheels laying around. Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Brian and Wendy wrote: > My dad has had a couple of grinders on stands using old semi-truck wheels > as > the base. They are extremely stable and don't move around. They have been > this > way for years (30+). They consist of a piece of 4" pipe, welded to the > wheel, > with a flat plate welded to the top that the grinder can bolt to. > > Occasionally the wheels crack through the lug holes and are no longer > useful. > You may be able to get a tire shop to give you one of those. Also, if you > can > find the old split rim type, people will usually give those away as well. > > You could also probably use regular car/truck wheels, you just may need to > add > some concrete for ballast. > > Any of the above options should be easily moved with a hand truck. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 04:20:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A3D25809FC for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:20:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFED258009C for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id lj1so40682057pab.6 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bnkrCd1swy9dCGlR2rY5BfhRVMvVuN0XWqVzTbHctFw=; b=vxO80qETgyLzKceTSet87dWmBZuBFLJwrAD7ZMaUoH6fdhu2vgHkb6Wr2Wwncqya/Y pQpV9N/q/EhZ47Wj4w048ckcoqS++Ng+4tmUOqLJgoTK+eVqnKVW48suAv/1kancnBzp UqSTT5yr/c4PRZdvLCk40haVbdDYVvRKW6Cs0wtFjGEs745OESG2w9vCgM2Oi0VlgQUf cMfQ1RytYGvlXq6yEQ8RA6Xn+DjoSu688rBHGeh6Rcbj8xUEN3ZmI+nAgwXgze5I33qH kRkJG279/VCnyQD91E/W9/2Mb6821dqhJTJHVy9TzaB/kcSDhIKk1tzFW6MPF8MQdqTq 9q8A== cj12mr36669225pdb.161.1423567515023; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:14 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:25:14 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Eric J Russell Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, I always use nitrile gloves when I change he bulbs. I had heard the same thing about finger oil on the bulbs. Thanks, Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Eric J Russell wrote: > I've been told to not touch the glass bulb with bare hands. The oils from > your fingers can dramatically shorten the life. Use (clean) cotton gloves > if you're not otherwise unable to avoid touching the glass. > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> I give up. I've been buying replacement halogen bulbs from Harbor Freight >> and it seems the more I buy the faster they burn out. The last two bulbs >> I >> installed burned out within 4 hours and during that time I didn't move the >> light once. NOT acceptable! >> >> Any suggestions on where I can buy good quality replacement bulbs for a >> reasonable price? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 04:23:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD9C25805E8 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:23:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8343C258009C for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lj1so40707717pab.5 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:27:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wr5hKrflSNCehCVw4OrnCh8ERfaxhyJcefF4Z/Fc708=; b=ST3yhvYzciPWQXe8V1yWYsT1Fr9/XRxYBuNbWMHbNemrCikr7jStW1jIKVkKQRSKiO G3HAp8Qmy+auPRLrwrmrlNn9N+EWKJjC8nYaNs7POTiGTfyjZS2N4e1UsZ3cmlQorSm7 I6BMjMyZBzZjTQJYb4rNFo0nvM13r2N2j33oPqL7JrMtUu3G4F3id1AxpxAVIgWG6sKS B4D46nDODphHuAJfF/ZY79dXQMOLljVL0xjwwDqvjRDPTePfJK02zp8tP9NjJlTeGm62 OEOBgHbjW3E/vUVPSNKQL5aJI0d5rs4UUoHz78fTHnhg1VUv1IW2XzQ/YveoQHPql5y/ gjIA== is2mr36667307pbb.161.1423567653377; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:27:33 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:33 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug, interesting idea. I've got one of the Black & Decker Workmate benches and some plywood laying around. I might give it a try before spending money on wheels and pipes. Thanks! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > I have one of those Craftsman folding workbenches with the two-piece > clamping top surface. > It is pretty stable. I also have several benchtop tools, like a small > router table, a small band saw, and a buffer. > I mounted each of these tools on a a 14" x 24" piece of plywood with an > additional 2" wide strip running across > the underside. To use a tool, I put it on top of the workbench with the > 2" strip between the two pieces of > workbench table, so it can be clamped in place. The tools that are not > being used live on some shelving brackets > on my garage wall. > > This system has worked well for me. > > Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 05:18:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41022580449 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:18:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2619D258009C for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdjy10 with SMTP id y10so16190863pdj.6 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:15:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yFPo70LREr/Zt51iQatasSgTNtx9Bg+8hSnRSW+/cvc=; b=yQl55cJHDM14jVMhYCIyZvYhGMq2FGkVWqFPCM4vTr9VfsPsPOZNcHDqZjdYu6B5hr wa8d4yaUyf2coc5TEsbwDMg5C5zXDy0ER7IbN92HG8HOQFvO4aCRWKz/Gzt3WBm7tVum Mr4TEA8rqTKEKl6GJfuPpe126SjDWjN79AmDG+++NBJ2hatLNY05Uq5ieuJlubFl63rG i6L7vBR3UsLnjP+gbbx7DoTu0u5C38DlwQz0IvHURGNBLrzL5jw5+Cn5fkttiiEPImkV IMyFOc4G9kjedD8YIL7CmgOZgyuqrmMLlujYBXtN0zq/yFhgCf0KU9rTLGiL4Cw+6Icl AQQQ== z12mr37999603pdl.22.1423570502495; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:15:02 -0800 (PST) References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:15:02 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Jim Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, I hadn't realized F250 brake rotors were that large! I'll have to take a peek at my F250 diesel and see what they look like. I wouldn't think the rotors would be large enough in diameter to provide enough stability. Interesting. Thanks for sharing! Brad On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Jim wrote: > Relating to an earlier post on another topic, I have had bad experiences > with my F250's brakes. The good news is the wasted rotors make nice heavy > bases for different kinds of tool stands, including a grinder. I welded a > plate to the bottom of a 2x3 inch tube and drilled holes in that plate to > bolt to the rotor. Another plate welded to the top of the tube serves as a > base for the grinder. The heft of the rotor keeps it firmly planted, easy > to stand on for more stability if needed, and easy to move around. > > I made a similar one to hold a mailbox to win the war against the city > plows. It falls down, I stand it up. A greatwinter survivor. > > Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 05:34:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E84B258454E for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:34:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE560258009C for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:27:55 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:15:11 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/10/2015 07:15:13, Serialize complete at 02/10/2015 07:15:13 Cc: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here are two quick photos... Note, I said to use 2 c channels, but I have a piece of plate steel on the bottom of mine. >http://www.megageek.com/photo/photoa~1.nsf/a7ffeab012bbfb5b85256eb1007ca7f6/272bd8b8fb3eb59e85257de800443e4f?OpenDocument< Let me know if you need better photos Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 07:15:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322A8258494D for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:15:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE21F25807BA for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id l18so759654wgh.8 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:20:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uI3qt6RQuP86dT7C68NyPiNfD2+7JQkO4JdJavPv+vY=; b=sVynXVD2l5bUTMWckC19gGnasf70xBngaM5cFUNSOTp8FUMvYeUOOvNou+057Bzyxs FsGZMz7X78tFPpFEwFLhihAjDI6C5ckK0gtqfcGO9zqlZRJ4/AfTI1GQEyJr2bUHS0im 5AnopH49RjcKnpPYmPN0Q9JC034OsezZ7rLuJjX3dnPnaV3TtrpEoNMzHa49iOmZE7df 8rQU3nQUSG1bQjUaiZ3LTFienT3TEZtmqDdbjlv6xVXeO4TtkShaAu8xt+JU1kXzMU2H jTnwYlSad3R8upXUty4Utl7xxVVC7wkpY1CPNdUP5w13xT4/Y/g1+hIBFvug2YY9SKTT P72w== gi10mr45875049wib.24.1423578007858; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.176.228 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:20:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:20:07 -0500 From: Joe Szwed To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I welded one up for my Dad once where he used an old disc blade from an old set of agricultural disc's. It wasn't real heavy but because of how it was domed, it was very sturdy. It set on the floor nice and didn't rock at all. I built a few stand bases using channel iron in a cross or an "H" for myself. I have seen many times over the years where people used as mentioned, car or truck rims, rotors or brake drums. It seems to be one of those things where most people use whatever they have on hand. Thinking about it off the top of my head, I have a old cast iron base from a patio umbrella that would make a nice base for a stand. Joe _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 09:33:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7AE25848E8 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:33:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4590D2584657 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by labhz20 with SMTP id hz20so21329183lab.0 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:37:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TiKtJYt2u3cvOsRyWI0/5MBV0RaSn4xQ+Swivj0Z17w=; b=REbStc2TnxsfpdCEmUduxkUyAjqSG1T47aSUIex3l8S4lt6WPK4RgR2ja7EdJEGsJz Hm4HE65Gykuk5AN6DA4kOubvQSrpRzbVQ/kNXz3Rz4/zb9rYnBvlenwRFPfDCQk3wYk3 3GZ6G6YDOumZfEs/ufditGFsh9/eMFOPo1u9/Lh7u7v/vF24c9YHrCMvSpTA0EDdS7kK otFYhVxD9Xtipe0Epx4ieAPJR0bZRjLsACuQPUqJyZNku3+BqY9qU5iEcrPlfrdAD8cg oeqJxzQw41NdqYFyyfbwl9zsOCESzPb/USDiEWDD+ANgdrqfZShpDjgUc3nmsjOq3f2I Vd7A== pt4mr23774593lbc.15.1423586273529; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.34.228 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:37:33 -0500 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When I initially started to reply, I was on my mobile and didn't go to the link, and thought you were talking about a padlock or similar. I was going to simply suggest you dunk the whole lock into a container of warm fresh Mobil 1 for a day or so and let that coat everything. I suppose my recommendation still stands, so long as the lock is not electronic. Otherwise, it sounds like you need to seriously coat the internals with something non-conductive and hydrophobic, as it sounds like moisture/condensation is building up in there. Maybe it needs better ventilation to keep condensation at bay. Does it get wet when it rains, or is it under cover? -Peter On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 4:11 PM, wrote: > I have this lock on my shop door...(not this exact model, but they are > pretty universal.) > > > > https://www.google.com/shopping/product/929947669100305996?q=simplex+combinat ion+door+lock&biw=1280&bih=909&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY&t ch=1&ech=1&psi=RYLWVI7nNcShNr7YgYAC.1423344205404.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX0CIlsO CNb676a1hTuvMidoOrU4cTHVwJVJNw-E-BwqN04yAthx_STsdpJZAXMMX4zKfLyACf2dnx6HxedIx dRzBMgXwa0PrJmwPAlY92gZ7ZGYTzhIZAFPVH727dL1KTdKA2mzicfWeyaS1qu25bw&sa=X&ei=SY LWVOL2FcmlNs2dg9gM&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA > < > > For a few years, I've had the problem of it not unlocking in freezing > cold. I've tried lubricating it to no avail (I don't know if that might > have made it worst.) > > The problem with fixing it is that as soon as I remove it and open it up, > it's warm enough to funciton properly. I thought about leaving it in a > freezer but I don't know if that would work. > > Any ideas for soving this delima? (This lock is rated for outdoor use.) > > Thanks. > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 09:44:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E7225849A7 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:44:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80EE2584657 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by iecar1 with SMTP id ar1so3215907iec.11 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:48:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AH3SacHKalrMGb8yJUDLHYkdimjRBy0DWcIFQLY6y3o=; b=Zp902nHg4iAQSotLORACOqEoobYWMHOwTZzqGMY9lT0E7lolooBtCqKERXVEguoHwA v3U+xXNrTxl0Tw2DPEFU7+NDSNzI1DSrdmbtZ32GIxSjA2EffIt8Dirz9ptACWU1jpWq ox7L49e31ZmDhTDxrUjwqFIvTKXmqhGznViRH8v+Y/wQXzSMLm8tiCagrvXiaO7desRL k5rup0/Y3RdyrMpoU/8iEq9+cyZI9xe5WckXqIP9b1aMVYj4R4Ol+xJbcQbU4egfYPdx UImrJa1amZEYCgW5bKjP7sq7QoTS0hKpjLWg3OqdEo+FEIbJK4AXt4wvdElnJZrDJwMB r5Ww== r5mr15470711ioe.87.1423586894882; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.28.74 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:48:14 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:48:14 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop door combo lock not opening in freezing cold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you're trying to fix it, I'd remove it and put it in an oven at around 105 Celsius (~220 Fahrenheit) for a couple hours. That is warm enough to evaporate any moisture, but cool enough not to wreck any plastics. Then wipe it out internally the best you can and lubricate it with graphite or silicon or something else that won't get too viscous in extreme cold. I'm working on keyless access to my shop, and I have this in my Amazon wishlist right now: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0026SZNW4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&c olid=HIRUHJ9AFCEB&coliid=I2GTXBIF49K8SE&psc=1 So if you have too hard a time fixing what you have, you might just want to replace it with a decent keypad deadbolt. They're not terribly expensive and they're fairly secure. -Paul On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 4:11 PM, wrote: > I have this lock on my shop door...(not this exact model, but they are > pretty universal.) > > > > https://www.google.com/shopping/product/929947669100305996?q=simplex+combinat ion+door+lock&biw=1280&bih=909&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.85464276,d.eXY&t ch=1&ech=1&psi=RYLWVI7nNcShNr7YgYAC.1423344205404.3&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX0CIlsO CNb676a1hTuvMidoOrU4cTHVwJVJNw-E-BwqN04yAthx_STsdpJZAXMMX4zKfLyACf2dnx6HxedIx dRzBMgXwa0PrJmwPAlY92gZ7ZGYTzhIZAFPVH727dL1KTdKA2mzicfWeyaS1qu25bw&sa=X&ei=SY LWVOL2FcmlNs2dg9gM&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA > < > > For a few years, I've had the problem of it not unlocking in freezing > cold. I've tried lubricating it to no avail (I don't know if that might > have made it worst.) > > The problem with fixing it is that as soon as I remove it and open it up, > it's warm enough to funciton properly. I thought about leaving it in a > freezer but I don't know if that would work. > > Any ideas for soving this delima? (This lock is rated for outdoor use.) > > Thanks. > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 09:59:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5172584939 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:59:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811C2580187 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:57:38 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1423587735; bh=fXZjUShlWJLCBsjJsXZyNnYtFO6rTsmq+94JE5VMuXk=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject; b=IHKKGyz/5Wltk1zb0aOFJh8rw50aW9VGELMz1Ntq3VpBAYyYL66iOemzrZUiQHU4yMceMKW48d41sjCSSTTQqWehA9QDsTKUynXbN0FZDGFyOZR3kLKuhraotcXcKqWVr/qTrN+eRsZdvUNNZ5Gw2p0WOMNhb6HO8IgYcE3ucy3bYKcTMyMCYmJ2eyGEvs/ALulbgOJ+KcGDgTMkd5gwI6maX2R3QVvfy+y///r9FtgAeDX9n8ksBWhJsPndEMpz3LiIc/evrcvrAW60QMLv/ugaxP6Hf07g3LM4xP2/dX1OVGzbcwEBatCRKOHq0DK2fxubJgkZaackGBnitmA+VQ== Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 17:02:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.56] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 17:02:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2015 17:02:15 -0000 1snLo2vxNtHXwMWpy.Wk539MW7npT9JIcy8nQB049yow9rAFNzSvm1rVEDvt jXhxCyP6xhhE5Qet7bYnfM0PjCiL5BryJ9p5JVwYObr2ZDCT_FD8JTZ1qXio Gj1me1XisOiHlPngJO7_CSsIWRqXFSCe9hmn74Fu_i9i9kdLkjUI7QgfQH.m 9O1vD6DYLS7jpFdgPdhHb4xerYkMPGzwJbhxhxIEzadBWlY8Ol1EYUa..Lpg IDQ9N4sYwkG1kOdV5ov4bhsglMVFdPH5I2qLLQkQFzmxEjJtOFyo9O23tqlq zy_ag6DTS6DNZ5LzkY5pP5E_jtkmmcf_p3QLO2nZmodcFeuNGi0AFHPtzNQ7 Eeas8sdiCyBXbVukFVVL9FujfeDe4EH6XlyWE8f4BFt2eqKhIDPZu30U5S6W 1zFuJDWmfxV.uxnWKtCnTUkA0RYgfmtTBCUFzxoz1TOD.oZpnHQjjuekUttW y69ZF3ufKmhyPOTO3dzrD0yD3_hj6jsUWStmYU4pAGlAqzz4gIg-- References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> From: Jim Juhas Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:15:10 -0500 To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, I've done the same with smaller rotors as well; I have a bench-top grinder mounted on a post over a Dodge 1500 front rotor. That works pretty well also. I think it's partly the balance of the thing, the bottom-heavy nature of it. Sent via iPad Jim Juhas > On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > Jim, > > I hadn't realized F250 brake rotors were that large! I'll have to take a peek at my F250 diesel and see what they look like. > > I wouldn't think the rotors would be large enough in diameter to provide enough stability. > > Interesting. > > Thanks for sharing! > > Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 11:49:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102312584A8E for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:49:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261AC25848CB for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.248.132.59] ([172.248.132.59:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 4C/33-03519-DD35AD45; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:54:21 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:54:23 -0800 Thread-Index: AdBFI+3T1HSHxfhzTPOsoXzz40D4EwAOvb9A Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Halogen replacement bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > This appears to be the flood lamp replacement LED blub. > Definitely pricey > at $27 but if it lasts at least 27 times longer the cost > could easily be > justified. Depending one other responses to my query I might > give it a try. > > https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-tube/8w-r7s-led-f loodlight-replacement-lamp/1192/2808/ > Perhaps I am confused about what we are talking about? That thing only puts out 700 lumens or so, less than a 60 watt incandescent. I assumed the question was about those 500 watt halogen "sticks" that put out over 10 times as much light. Eg, http://tinyurl.com/nasolzq Sorry, I can't help with how long they last. I only have them in a some shop lights that I almost never use. Just a thought though: High power bare LED "pucks" are pretty cheap if you buy them in bulk on flea-bay. For example, here is 10,000 lumens worth for $12. http://tinyurl.com/mk6e5tm Too soon to say how long it will last, but so far I've had good luck using JB Weld to secure them to a heavy aluminum plate as a heat sink. Of course then you'll need a suitable power supply, but the Internet is full of designs. Here's one that is transformerless (ie cheap) and I think should be fairly easily scaled for higher current LEDs. http://downloads.deusm.com/designnews/20121126-LED-DESK-LAMP.pdf -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 17:15:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE22584667 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:15:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64602258021B for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdev10 with SMTP id v10so340462pde.10 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:17:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dR5JMPE+UkWr2lIK7mrYBjiTettzbLiHQuvAyxBYivs=; b=nkNuag5maJCoqVHo/qejztzNNV1K4Zc8m91GAjEON6lclMhCCgEvfM0yHpQgiKD4tl B9UKdZCQy9uW9RRy6Zam6iWTBO1pJ8Nh57WDFGaehxXo4D3l+wiSUPG44+b6UKuY7+3a 0hKysqBmdkXrsHDl75QWt1Vb7Mn6mHHFjEmTv/LVEsZtYa8fZ6JRB+0v/c2cLCV3L615 UVLyuGiH6QaB8bGoeHLvkug5K+C/xxKQgoO4RPdMCKO58hIYwKJ21t4Lvzh15BfYBOO7 i05yj9Qhr+Q54OA2dtIKUjFwNWBLJw/zxmvE9960Vp2Q6EYCqykbbVnnXeB5A9MeV/g6 NRCA== is2mr41763570pbb.161.1423613844593; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:17:24 -0800 (PST) References: <54D99A9F.9050406@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:17:24 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Brian Kemp Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Several people have suggested plywood as a base. Plywood would probably be the cheaper of the alternatives that are available. Although I would like to find out how much I can pick up a used truck wheel for. Sadly a while back I gave a way a steel rim from a chevy P30 chassis that was for 19.5" tires. That likely would have made an ideal candidate. Brad On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Brian Kemp wrote: > I second Doug's idea. Assorted pieces of plywood with a 1x2 screwed to > them make good bases. I clamp it in my Black and Decker Workmate. > > Another option is to attach your pedestal to a sheet of thicker plywood > and stand on the plywood while you grind. Use some threaded inserts to > make the base easily removable for storage. > > Brian > > On 2/9/2015 6:36 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > >> I have one of those Craftsman folding workbenches with the two-piece >> clamping top surface. >> It is pretty stable. I also have several benchtop tools, like a small >> router table, a small band saw, and a buffer. >> I mounted each of these tools on a a 14" x 24" piece of plywood with an >> additional 2" wide strip running across >> the underside. To use a tool, I put it on top of the workbench with the >> 2" >> strip between the two pieces of >> workbench table, so it can be clamped in place. The tools that are not >> being used live on some shelving brackets >> on my garage wall. >> >> This system has worked well for me. >> >> Doug >> >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> >> I've got several bench grinders that I would like to mount on some sort >>> of >>> movable pedestals. I don't want to anchor them to the floor so whatever >>> I >>> end up using needs to be stable but portable. >>> >>> I've got several of the Harbor Freight 3 footed pedestals that would only >>> work if anchored to the floor and worse they are two short to use. >>> >>> Any suggestions on something that can be purchased, fabricated or what >>> not? >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@ >> earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 17:16:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583F225848C1 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:16:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B8F258463F for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id lf10so347159pab.12 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZEdrfIgmqGUh5oHDW1rUKWvqaDhTirVOdo0suhKG0vg=; b=JF4uwbnKDumss/NLu0SNBF3QRGUsJp8L3eb8nT2g6y6kl+7TUkWQ9ZRuudLYLnUT82 GbkvZ1SDhvwUcq3RvTDWzSA3Wqx6urIUvCBfygRAl3c4ivwhP0+GvBssZaVhGhjRt4P0 fM1ZFX4sz8Z6jvHuL9cEgaN+5bCaycCYn3GRWwEcx6/SQCxisRWdWAJ1MVoiD9dGBxio cNwPCKjZ+DnXZ6gS5XbzuzsfVMxYuvaL33LVulOCn147MKq0kr6xRvNLODxNZgOrYKfA XUT9tfkKFvmsMFW5yNyQL5TQU/flSNdKNiCEupm0kc0e/3o1KLKhyRf9V16rGpDfqxyH D3zg== xr1mr41726517pac.65.1423614082684; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:21:22 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, how stable is that pedestal? Looks like it would tip over when applying pressure to the wheel while grinding or buffing. On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:15 AM, wrote: > > Here are two quick photos... Note, I said to use 2 c channels, but I have > a piece of plate steel on the bottom of mine. > > > > http://www.megageek.com/photo/photoa~1.nsf/a7ffeab012bbfb5b85256eb1007ca7f6/272bd8b8fb3eb59e85257de800443e4f?OpenDocument > < > > > Let me know if you need better photos > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 17:30:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E496825848CE for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224D425845B2 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdbfl12 with SMTP id fl12so477967pdb.4 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oBh7f+dFcNoBBJQhQVfl9xyAfYbqnWXAIl2uxPcIyNc=; b=bAKx4yMiLzhov05E0KrwvEjyWrIfsUvVj8CqHa5dahh8wzFknFWJd+pvUecRo3svLT oBDIRCtgKyq6mwgpcbiJBk2YcBZNowkFx+qSoTiK9vT/VAAKbZL27slGvGkC3RA854gI lLz3kgE8e4j3SDOaNSYPzKRmNSLU0Pwzh4KorvHx2tF63dO1Q7d92Nvs4u+Nl5jZRXgu qdVo/GCmMbAClN1YIZT6WGoYX/SnBPQNQQ1hEkVB2GwtbinM2mgpt9i+AqhTQRiyVM/T PwQ/a6mCXKPaEZeAGIj5Hbzosz7z22WCKgeK6MZSIqVL+Dp52GS5r2eZdfxSb8wkiiDk 2tfQ== cd10mr42625485pdb.48.1423614926481; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> <7E8A13F1-96B0-422F-B87C-11A8C407569F@snet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:35:26 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Jim Juhas Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Let see, brake rotors, truck wheels, plow discs, lawn umbrella base, plywood, work bench with plywood steel plates and more. Lots of great ideas. I think Joe nailed it when he said mostly people just use what they have laying around. I've got several of the objects people have mentioned and reasonable access to other items that have been suggested so now I just have to cobble something together so I can get back to grinding :) Thanks! Brad On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Jim Juhas wrote: > Brad, I've done the same with smaller rotors as well; I have a bench-top > grinder mounted on a post over a Dodge 1500 front rotor. That works pretty > well also. I think it's partly the balance of the thing, the bottom-heavy > nature of it. > > Sent via iPad > Jim Juhas > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > Jim, > > I hadn't realized F250 brake rotors were that large! I'll have to take a > peek at my F250 diesel and see what they look like. > > I wouldn't think the rotors would be large enough in diameter to provide > enough stability. > > Interesting. > > Thanks for sharing! > > Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 10 18:55:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725382584647 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:55:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15132580220 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:55:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id qpzM1p0014ueUHc01q0Gs8; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 02:00:16 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([98.247.129.48]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id qq0F1p00f12niAi01q0GVJ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 02:00:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:00:14 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop Talk References: <54D972C0.2000305@snet.net> <7E8A13F1-96B0-422F-B87C-11A8C407569F@snet.net> s=q20140121; t=1423620016; bh=puejro/xvqIQ7/UxU4V1DFmddokg1n2reswmYGlhwO0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=RdNyuEbiUHV+BPGsx/CXvfqxzXiZBm53L+YffW9pQqVhLXcQeJobDTbUhTHJqMTf4 q0mwKPqZrOWtHA5ZiMSmaNEB5rsMCZCDX/iTGsMWAM4kZCXtdFFnG5y5eC+OqMrVuS Ej6YS+lhleKVjwqgFM9Q53rJluZcLEi2GwqRuWN50yfnoA43BLWGaIrJn7I3j/w897 oZAMltxNRjzVfBigbawaPhgVSpENlj+X3kk9MYV3hdxxM4H9hj9taWsOPW7CDKl1op /xT3hdhhLXCfzf4WoCE31AVH3BlKBwyYfCbTY9rXimBUa5TJpp9XgedEybvJLdKCKR fem6E5485Hk4Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I guess I can add my two cents. Seems like the large diameter wheel would work best. In my case, I didn't need the portability, so I just mounted it on the work bench. Trouble is, it needs to be on the front of the bench for accessibility, but then it is in the way for other things. I don't use it that often. It's not a big grinder, and has rubber inserts in the holes in the base. So I drilled four holes thru the bench (it's a 2x4 surface, covered with left-over tongue and groove hardwood from when we redid the floors in the house). The holes are the same diameter as the bolts, so they are a fairly tight fit. I leave the four bolts in the grinder base, and just drop them into the bench holes. I have big wing nuts to hold them tight, but I have discovered that I don't even need the wing nuts for most jobs. Mike On 2/10/2015 4:35 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Let see, brake rotors, truck wheels, plow discs, lawn umbrella base, > plywood, work bench with plywood steel plates and more. > > Lots of great ideas. I think Joe nailed it when he said mostly people just > use what they have laying around. I've got several of the objects people > have mentioned and reasonable access to other items that have been > suggested so now I just have to cobble something together so I can get back > to grinding :) > > Thanks! > > Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 11 05:02:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1E72584B6D for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:02:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44A82584A39 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:02:45 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:56:33 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/11/2015 06:50:02, Serialize complete at 02/11/2015 06:50:02 Cc: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It's pretty stable. It's meant to be bolted down, but I don't need it to be. If you used a slightly larger c channel for the base, it would be even better. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Brad Kahler 02/10/2015 07:04 PM To eric@megageek.com cc Shop Talk List Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Eric, how stable is that pedestal? Looks like it would tip over when applying pressure to the wheel while grinding or buffing. On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:15 AM, wrote: Here are two quick photos... Note, I said to use 2 c channels, but I have a piece of plate steel on the bottom of mine. > http://www.megageek.com/photo/photoa~1.nsf/a7ffeab012bbfb5b85256eb1007ca7f6/272bd8b8fb3eb59e85257de800443e4f?OpenDocument < Let me know if you need better photos Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 11 17:48:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A010D258035F for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:48:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S14.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s14.hotmail.com [65.55.111.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0502F258024D for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU177-W43 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S14.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:51:34 -0800 From: Rich White To: shop-talk List Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:51:33 -0600 References: , FILETIME=[0C431F20:01D0465E] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On a garage site I read several have mounted their grinders etc. to a plate attached to a trailer hitch draw bar. They then mount a receiver to the bench. They then can switch tool or remove it all together. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 12 17:07:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021492580153 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:07:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com (mail-pd0-f169.google.com [209.85.192.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3E72580054 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by pdbfl12 with SMTP id fl12so15413508pdb.4 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2lZ66+9OBfhruDUG/izL3bXmVo/G68e1BSPmnkdLrRw=; b=WC7xfn+fE54r8vNhrtKL10f7baiqktEbFImGMsoeaDUZBqO7phlQZkxUVXgPnnH6Qg 0V5jOqv+Uw4aTPoxdkwsTJIUO2qbpPm5BQRlzY3N8zIKEVt9tUzg91psPoVQ+/6DlJ4W kdhu+4RDhNQ+mJP9lGyUJBtwTFpNuvx/+vRxwEHhl5/zsEzQhvWRe/2kZ3EQorhpvUV0 OI/krxeccaBUER51A4xaovF60XFX7XkQOuII9KCOmZSevCnjNB9+OFn2fGHjSPiBu8n+ mUbDhsFMrCaqjbLLUDe1pw62OETN3ly7xgGt5cc6vw2VAo48rN/zazhBEcl0p+oRM/Hq Hjdg== af8mr7345731pad.65.1423786151614; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.128.76 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:09:11 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Rich White Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grinder pedestal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's a pretty decent idea. Probably the only reason I doubt that I would go that route is I don't like the vibration that the grinder generates when bolted to the bench which is where mine is now. Now if I find a spot in the shop where that idea might fit I'd certainly give it a try. Thanks! Brad On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Rich White wrote: > On a garage site I read several have mounted their grinders etc. to a plate > attached to a trailer hitch draw bar. They then mount a receiver to the > bench. They then can switch tool or remove it all together. > > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 12 18:58:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DC225805FE for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:58:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.193]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D5B2580193 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:58:27 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1423792986; bh=ToB6x7zG041Y6ipohXVknduOV4y/Z2UG96ld5r+mi2Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=was339PvLP//zS4HxKup526m1twqyapSyX7rgoG5nWf4J8mAa/sjpVA8L6HnGSQE7bMhIhYSSwckUrP+TijGxQAlK9OtxzKf4iaE2Wue3ocmOzR2b2XA65JCAXfm4+2l+2Gia1/exd6yK6/I9hPbXYpJnlcs6+VzCXQmaf5URxI= Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 02:03:06 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.147] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 02:03:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 02:03:06 -0000 ez3y_eQuQjEP.5lqmQ9v7i6zMRuw0Y9cKxA.T25c_2H6MT6uUfTEmdECs_7e z0KWqJi5bBy1QFwTPnkvgYIMA0AOyXzLpr_nRFJtEnD2Wa9_ECZb.OfUImhc KD9Q_ZbP9EyOeI1Vkfti_4avndb2TaEQ7ugoUwg1vDoA0LWpUPsgdRFTqSOp yl.R6t.zQFWMoSrLRUuApn5Yxz.qFoDPLkm88x1C.iGK7pjEXJ6z.ly0sdTw OM6w5Qvs2DRexVP8N6ATIeITLN_5RAYr_7.K8UrzpWHdw7ULRfbXOoiUbVw3 K4.z6ENhEWOPJ4z2AjtaQfENhBhIHebcDn79VUb.js4G0iB5FyIjMzR3PVNZ 9Vute0mLoudeQ4WslELNSWdIL_YfBuV5dLCkQIGEVy.euEp5jFYfGoF16h8I 64w.3AY_rczSn.FJqSA4b0sM6JOtdZoEmVjETRK5lzm7s9dgOo7L7PNS0WTs I7Ta3daWNGBlFl0KfM.Z.bcme8K2RKjdmfVHrWJ3scwjMp6VILyPT_Z4NQmT k From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:02:57 -0600 Thread-Index: AdBHMS9yYBZaHvrFRkuaPnTUDH3b9A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] removing magnet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a magnetic parts disk. 6" chrome plated metal dish with a big ole honkin magnet on the bottom (hence the 'magnetic parts dish' ) I need to remove the magnet apprantly it's glued on ??? what will break this loose ??? tried a hammer and and prying it off. All that did was break the magnet and bend the dish. unscarred is what I need. what about heat ?? maybe melt the glue ??? or whatever is holding the two together ??? john --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 12 19:33:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA99B25844D1 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:33:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE50325805FE for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by iecat20 with SMTP id at20so16652692iec.12 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:38:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JAiiIW0myup08nhXHZPaR33SRTCMD+PskIjhLKs8PCc=; b=rkw75ZayAyg1SDWldomuTfIOXWmkeqCLOOn+s9DMBArAXV5XTRsJv6oQDP1cb3HQN0 fUUBdy23b51UJpIAoM1732aX6+v9Hz5gVubRS+mD8Twje4oiKswFeh/JUTQxjw3UVsE+ hqoj9doyxbXtEgPEjh7oYPdTIOwvM5rYvoPcWIjoDe9bSHYOe83xUvOrqxb5KK1/Jm8W 6DAkDqISfpxu8ueMuHddUjYESodi84DfgVvIf8ysXh9otlL+sdWPfp6Ew5Vig4w4NcPN ETXCKxWUrwCgPU+mWd88xMLL2mmy1AfmOdcvrFumy9y3WaTvLPjzqaU48wChaH/ak4vs MOcw== i100mr8759025iod.90.1423795083566; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.28.74 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:38:03 -0800 (PST) References: <005401d04731$3074e080$915ea180$@NET> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:38:03 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] removing magnet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've done a lot of work with cryogens over my career. If you fill the bowl with liquid nitrogen, the glue will get brittle and the bowl will contract at a different rate and almost certainly pop free. If you don't have access to liquid nitrogen, you might be able to get it cold enough by filling it with dry ice and a very low freezing liquid (I usually use acetone). Then give it a good whack with a rubber mallet when it's very cold. It's funny, I have one of those dishes in my garage and the magnet won't stay on because I knocked it off the lift and the glue broke when it hit the ground. Sounds like you'd have considered that lucky! Actually, why do you need them apart? If you're near Michigan, you can have mine. -Paul On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:02 PM, john niolon wrote: > I've got a magnetic parts disk. 6" chrome plated metal dish with a big ole > honkin magnet on the bottom (hence the 'magnetic parts dish' ) I need to > remove the magnet apprantly it's glued on ??? what will break this loose > ??? tried a hammer and and prying it off. All that did was break the > magnet and bend the dish. unscarred is what I need. what about heat ?? > maybe melt the glue ??? or whatever is holding the two together ??? > > > > john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:04:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B633E258449C for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:04:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB34B25803EA for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:04:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD66400F7720 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:09:12 -0800 (PST) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=tJlidrQ2rbLOB/9AsFVMJr+2 UBo=; b=SMkVIZU71zQThh7QFCSDtzRS0oMkWaI6mz01BQ5PtE/s4IEZ2emUbVyh oBpXnObWldSdphX+ZieEkXlgAKq3D+Cr4hkvPW58l728iRCyXzpQMGJTyzzXbDV+ ZyjcPt59ArVFUTOMaz/ZTgfVQ4A41aX83eSI5069FZC2/vw669s= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C3E6400F771F for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:09:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:09:10 -0500 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nere in the NE where we're getting 40 days and nights of blizzard, I have about 3' of snow on my roof, 2.5 stories up. Noticed the first evidence of ice damming this morning. I have a modern roof with full soffit and ridge vents, but the system isn't working due to the ridge vent being buried. How do I clear the vent of all that snow? The opening in the sheathing is too small to get anything mechanical up in there. I thought about a heat lamp, but with no other exit for the warm air that might cause more harm. The attic floor is insulated and the roof is not, which is good. Getting onto the roof is not at all possible except with a really long lift given how far the ridge is from the driveway. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:15:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B9325844C9 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:15:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B023258056D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:15:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by iebtr6 with SMTP id tr6so9178453ieb.7 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:20:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jda7WCRfxizC5mIK1CIY481fmBvWlYfsRK3SF4HC2nw=; b=R3blOQR7VA2DONixuPepookEmqnN63SgKoaaKroLCtKTdYjqqwdWK/sr45xiizQ3j7 IfIAZ0B24K1uamt3zNDrrkINxh2uXb5PA0NmfAu9YX+IKiSY1WtwH5bIHUdGohHOc8aS rPfJEVTaMUjKy7p2S1Mu37T8uptHSRVrNJBuUSalukZvf+hR0fLIWcZl4CmOLroBNR7V oasdsgoF/Kwvp5dGibRbCsj2NvA2v4TCN21TKUyyAzQsF8oE0lAHntARvFm/dlO7qVm4 ggkMdo4AhoGqcBvvymH5Pk7ugAtj5fjpcTMtA4VubuRcDA5bZoLlSpyXStaeti6mNvUS 7FFQ== h20mr3839516igt.43.1423837212060; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.108.109 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:20:11 -0800 (PST) References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:20:11 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Jim Franklin Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't the Swiss use artillery to start avalanches? Snow on the roof is something that rarely causes a problem down here, but could you toss a long rope over the roof so that you and a helper could drag it along the axis of the ridge and dislodge the snow? Just thinking out loud... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Nere in the NE where we're getting 40 days and nights of blizzard, I have > about 3' of snow on my roof, 2.5 stories up. Noticed the first evidence of ice > damming this morning. I have a modern roof with full soffit and ridge vents, > but the system isn't working due to the ridge vent being buried. > > How do I clear the vent of all that snow? The opening in the sheathing is too > small to get anything mechanical up in there. I thought about a heat lamp, but > with no other exit for the warm air that might cause more harm. The attic > floor is insulated and the roof is not, which is good. Getting onto the roof > is not at all possible except with a really long lift given how far the ridge > is from the driveway. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:40:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D47E25844CE for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:40:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8593A258056D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:38:38 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=CiwxcJL4AAAA:8 a=s7SyPvwdkW3OvCSxBvgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=zc7wI1JiJ7kA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:52757] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id A2/35-23589-18D0ED45; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:43:15 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Jim Franklin" , "shop-talk List" References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:42:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a modern roof with full soffit and ridge vents, > but the system isn't working due to the ridge vent being buried. > > How do I clear the vent of all that snow? IME, the snow that needs to be removed is at the lower edge of the roof - from above the side walls to the overhang. Which is what snow rakes/roof rakes do. But I don't know if they'd reach 2 1/2 stories high. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_snow-ice-removal+roof-rakes Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:43:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492EA258449C for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:43:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6346C25809C1 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:43:04 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1423838863; bh=ZdQWpdmKKnmpd2gnOJ9+XasI/O7D0thNUGoN4QuZHHY=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=Q9v//qQP/aG/+yFvBmVqhhsFHHMInq8/QOljMXMdphqk0t3kHM9fnU7v0qSqKyTLs8ZCPTEezIJhK8dt3QO6rSNWAYg/XJ2If2vQ1OiVcogi82Wj4qcJGuKwmGBJKUee8d0nis/vrMOK2HJO23aoQKBHn+7xWqLqhYGihA/fxfJww7xfhlFQ8yCeWoHMpX0Bw/tOTzGtHk2mFMiTquKWaVXWq0BJB2e3ES+WkFFDCfI3VV7QczkagI4CWT1hM8Y1WKA61Go3hXA/psMiffEZlXuXFYpXFcjfJtZNwN6tGjxOSZ8Bn3hxLzM15MAnri2QPnauL6BM38Y3ZBeSbQbHNg== Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 14:47:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 14:47:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2015 14:47:43 -0000 bHkqZg8qf0xlwKW799dyouc1uTSUkqi.2T6Kv42UtnABKkxTXqQCNrMyvO8Q dUdprD6Uc9GMITA9lxjPV4BmO1SSrPMX1Qa1glLzPltFlYSv1BqG4hX8Glri YXzCJoozDSMwz_wrmbQkTPmBMSOlFbeUJIIW95nrvkYMQOmBWijJCtdjT1X2 5f2fVX0hTTJV8_Cevn2T_DGxDWZnFToKHe4czAxwHkOp_VbdVq9MX8bq2qkS vwisHBCGqhX.E1meH8OcorW62rnNMl5xU_0rtJYjKv9mr8SnNIOReyvJm.kO uwBcR9ftuBCYcIuSuSnkT5yFbk9gthjZPKrP75YjYKOPYubElGXDvkjepLbR 21lhOT2qiKNVg4RZNhOhO3H0QbPMiY_TZtUMYjhaYlM3LKsJfZzLqOcRpDs8 iYkbXweFBTEuVSYyAKVfK7ojySL7Vr8aa3doJrbl257nJYdZrLjOL63HaxxY OGmp5qGOJ2SZYTGNErOBZxRdQr.f9tl66LwvOK5jN.Bz9uJ_JW9ieNrYIXvU BzbEQNPiwX1fqmajAds4cARgUw18TszXQ609oJH2mW4VsWviA2ssHHLnCvjD LwYI_vMQhHEvV5bxvKua4d1lFpGZmRU01ZeCtPPo7ZdimMT2Z7BBz5sKCf5x fsyt8ab8rvH0vACz6o4q1Xb449JFspHFOzJLai_8ywaF7Zw-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:47:44 -0600 Thread-Index: AQKw/E5mQSgUtxDnyYW7OrHqDe6du5stPkDw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Snow rake? http://www.bing.com/search?q=snow+rakes+for+roofs&qs=AS&sk=AS1&pq=snow+rake& sc=8-9&sp=2&cvid=4e70a00f5a394c999ea14caf66836027&FORM=QBLH&ghc=1 I have two, each having aluminum pole sections that clip together. I use all the poles together to make one large enough to clear my hangar roof. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Franklin Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 8:09 AM To: shop-talk List Subject: [Bulk] [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Nere in the NE where we're getting 40 days and nights of blizzard, I have about 3' of snow on my roof, 2.5 stories up. Noticed the first evidence of ice damming this morning. I have a modern roof with full soffit and ridge vents, but the system isn't working due to the ridge vent being buried. How do I clear the vent of all that snow? The opening in the sheathing is too small to get anything mechanical up in there. I thought about a heat lamp, but with no other exit for the warm air that might cause more harm. The attic floor is insulated and the roof is not, which is good. Getting onto the roof is not at all possible except with a really long lift given how far the ridge is from the driveway. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:47:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7D125844F3 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:47:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D459A258056D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8F338A071 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:52:25 -0800 (PST) :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=ZcnYJfAjsTikeNuuqG0cGEkWaZ0=; b=LtXG+zRqLd+n O6i97wUdtd6dKX3L6R8ulha6on6tzmGBSOV4HgpMBF0itmyiPowP0OTzxULrTP6x /OvF/7UoubRcYEGunM8G7BXJshZezGW56UT599/BCeHfRRHRIQbmydDsbT9FBUps 25TIPc06HJ6sWyk+/sSBLYfitJouLmU= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D53F038A06F for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:52:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:52:23 -0500 References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> <69EA236519AB42ECAD1165E189BE8955@EricJRussellPC> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: > > IME, the snow that needs to be removed is at the lower edge of the roof - from above the side walls to the overhang. Which is what snow rakes/roof rakes do. But I don't know if they'd reach 2 1/2 stories high. They won't, and I can't get through the snow on the ground if they could. However, the issue is the ridge vent. Once it's clear, the attic stays cold enough to prevent any melting. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 07:57:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54A62584511 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:57:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C3258056D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.44] (67-5-206-162.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.206.162]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NJP00L58TQPYY00@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:01:41 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-02-13_05:2015-02-13,2015-02-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1502130151 From: Darrell Walker Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:01:36 -0800 References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> <69EA236519AB42ECAD1165E189BE8955@EricJRussellPC> <2121E3B1-9DAA-455D-894E-7F8C5D1106A8@groupwbench.org> To: Jim Franklin Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No idea if this would work with that much snow, but what about trying to blow it out from the inside with an electric leaf blower? -Darrell > On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: >> >> IME, the snow that needs to be removed is at the lower edge of the roof - > from above the side walls to the overhang. Which is what snow rakes/roof rakes > do. But I don't know if they'd reach 2 1/2 stories high. > > They won't, and I can't get through the snow on the ground if they could. > > However, the issue is the ridge vent. Once it's clear, the attic stays cold > enough to prevent any melting. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 08:03:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2779F258451C for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:03:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7FC25809C1 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B35E06A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:08:17 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=cOTE5TLSpnnvTTI9AhhY0wS4voI=; b=MDi27jcoyVe8 CveuPxlCvkcTSfvaGrRmi3qcKmAkzW160pcQUcUj++56SeIL1b4c2hj82Eu4XhI7 zdfqdzdYv5NIBYlQsD9uvlxSe47+QXGK/fV+i3MV2Ayc16EaM/uuwG9tl71rNBzB bBOJMbwwr8rxPOdYD1RbYhCxOcmIUdw= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FDD95E060 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:08:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:08:16 -0500 References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> <69EA236519AB42ECAD1165E189BE8955@EricJRussellPC> <2121E3B1-9DAA-455D-894E-7F8C5D1106A8@groupwbench.org> <669774AA-49FB-49F8-8363-94DC93F60058@mac.com> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe if it was fresh powder, but this has been up there 2 weeks. Not going anywhere (if it was still powdery, the winds would have blown it off the peak). Plus, the gap between the sheathing and ridge beam is only about 3/4", not enough to get any appreciable airflow. I did think about using the compressor hose to poke a hole, but it won't fit either. jim On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Darrell Walker wrote: > > No idea if this would work with that much snow, but what about trying to blow it out from the inside with an electric leaf blower? > > -Darrell > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: >> >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: >>> >>> IME, the snow that needs to be removed is at the lower edge of the roof - >> from above the side walls to the overhang. Which is what snow rakes/roof rakes >> do. But I don't know if they'd reach 2 1/2 stories high. >> >> They won't, and I can't get through the snow on the ground if they could. >> >> However, the issue is the ridge vent. Once it's clear, the attic stays cold >> enough to prevent any melting. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 09:51:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5202584732 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:51:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFE2580619 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.230]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rsuw1p0084yXVJQ01swQAG; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:56:24 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:8:b880:b527:3152:16a9:5198:2cf8]) by resomta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rswQ1p00556eQYn01swQZe; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:56:24 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:56:18 -0800 s=q20140121; t=1423846584; bh=J2JfLHnpwr6Npjlwo9yk2I3PEc3vA7Vm/ubJBWwRFnM=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tqAqK7yJxy3iyGqZ2C45TLmF2TRVk7JYRjBHII4ZSwpviopbDzOuN+WfN6CK2MPmh 25+v+IWGChnVk6q1NpgQckvjGhzJbJ1Sh0TjVrz6vPZ/uwBwhh7VG8AMMRznc8Ao2+ H+hLVComKjFEk/hPlRUusni8rCc7H0cPyzmDEuGH9TY/RcdAraSlXzTpKD1mXmrK2Z HI72VhW/9754EdN35So5VEKYg/Af6gxGK7gjX8VkhhLwhrBkF27oyIBeBsbfijxZUO 7uWT69wK8IVBKEDit4yPsqWaxIHnYXpULVL1mfGP+TY38Wdn/2PH+LFFmBCAp/F6uB 1ZQz7aKUZ+P4Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Friday, February 13, 2015, at 06:20, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Don't the Swiss use artillery to start avalanches? The Washington State Department of Transportation has an artillery section with recoilless rifles in fixed mounts, towed howitzers, and M60 tanks. Obviously not suitable for residential use. Would this system http://avalanche-snow.com/ work ? Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 10:00:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B462584A2C for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:00:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF23D2580619 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:00:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DFE5E078 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:05:17 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=1++OgCqALz6XYp2cHdHpn1cr1S8=; b=KRfc3+m9qosF ByxtEQWSWJdgKcvV1fRIqhpRjcSeG2OIr8xB9J/nFE0Lniu4zaX8vQyZV3oWhrwL WVks5rSSBs6CnG/eCqQGZ18c6P2M25+gdsbvfF5FsA3nqEfvtMyvQ2DxoBTh4ioK ogPKPfZeYBZRKs5p/plTEdNfkdyOl0E= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7C675E06A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:05:15 -0500 References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Bob Kegel wrote: > Would this system http://avalanche-snow.com/ work ? 2.5 stories up and a somewhat modest pitch means I'd need to be 60' away in the street to be aligned with the plane of the roof. So, no :-) The Fire Dept hose could have it cleared in 5 mins. Maybe I should pitch that to them as a fund raising effort... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 10:02:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD152584A5A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:02:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE38B2580619 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id x12so13390110qac.0 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LLE3/+ifWk0LQPbbpbYKl+kTEV62lFgXKsFaUii+joY=; b=Ti4QIeA2tOiiwau15CEsjmJL0nWtRUtuh7EuIdXtJjL/o1XCYdrMTtNA4a8qzlnbHL bjjjx9DsSXy1xfkHeC1kCMdT4tQmXPO0wL10coKNgUdf6nMG9Tr7Cthah6LpeAl5jBKX 6ipyxmJz28odvd+HL6C8EyrJJeCJXZU+kWolapnYICYofEMq8gugLiln26L/pCOWpDmw ok5vhHQq4cbenJwAqQ9qvKjeNAv3wz/VXCUPj4zlkyo/xgpZF1GYFGRgGjF8riiuTmX9 H3JRhzRfPGI0i/xdAGTFzbUwUf81MdaC5WNd9FcEO2dcDX65DLhByZa/Qn9ZTRsnyWLl z/oQ== s53mr5192623qge.96.1423847206824; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.13.219] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w7sm7512017qap.46.2015.02.13.09.06.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:06:46 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> <6FF7686B-99D6-423E-802A-14272CB56E29@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I might just find a way to get up there and clear it myself. Ice dams can turn into ice "damns". On 2/13/2015 12:05 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Bob Kegel wrote: > >> Would this system http://avalanche-snow.com/ work ? > 2.5 stories up and a somewhat modest pitch means I'd need to be 60' away in > the street to be aligned with the plane of the roof. So, no :-) > > The Fire Dept hose could have it cleared in 5 mins. Maybe I should pitch that > to them as a fund raising effort... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 11:56:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915612585005 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:56:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F752584A2E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:56:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ruyg1p0054tLnxL01v18S7; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:01:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([73.47.127.174]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rv171p00G3lta6101v187x; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:01:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:01:00 -0500 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Jim Franklin , shop-talk List References: <7351FE5D-A24F-4121-9E19-30C663E5F61C@groupwbench.org> <6FF7686B-99D6-423E-802A-14272CB56E29@groupwbench.org> s=q20140121; t=1423854068; bh=cX+AKNcstsWCIeGPeaI/IFrOY2UOqC5hfzfRovM4QY0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=pjWcPIY/d41x4et3FhuXjtbrUBWxFTXomixAnsvFX9rnvfpMAGWU0wMCtdHkHmhlD 7/RnOYYrxLbdzfi3BcesJe8nrMvrX+ZGWasHVAF++3jBSNI/MzICpHQtMRkjlqnkhh YnHxRe2bHWHqBAiS+Oh4dR8HEl2QtkAUG6RpSVmxUDRYTi8jaOwz+m0fZsiOc2jCix sl89t2LHt1D/IeLO+C9vPb9dZNo3UtkTtHrhN3mxDWw7+JEe6EIAHmmqgENMV/fXgK Kdk3HIJycxAOXy/JeM2VQrIeERPP6BI2O6auDbWhvlMLpFTaWLjwFoFy8jdr7sqiZy 5vszIPUaXP33w== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to clear snow from ridge vents? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/13/2015 12:05 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > his system http://avalanche-snow.com/ work ? > 2.5 stories up and a somewhat modest pitch means I'd need to be 60' away in > the street to be aligned with the plane of the roof. So, no :-) > > The Fire Dept hose could have it cleared in 5 mins. Maybe I should pitch that > to them as a fund raising effort... Could make lots of money until a roof collapses. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 15:44:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5A7258080D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:44:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s8.hotmail.com [65.55.111.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39362580469 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W47 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:48:42 -0800 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:48:42 -0600 FILETIME=[37220580:01D047DF] Subject: [Shop-talk] Question about an engine..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net .....that has not had synthetic oil before. I have an 02 Highlander with ~185K miles on it. It has turned out to be a lemon and we are not wondering if the Carfax we saw was fakedlong story about all that Ive had to do this this vehicle since we got it. We've had it for about two years. I've done most of the oil changes and all have used only regular dyno oil (most likely a blend but still not full synthetic). The other day I topped up the oil, adding about half a quart, and realized too late that I had grabbed a quart of the full synthetic I use for my daughters car. Ive read that switching to full synthetic from regular oil can destroy the seals. Is this actually true? And if so, is about half a quart added to a five quart capacity engine enough to ruin seals? I ask this because in the past couple weeks Ive notice that this thing is now leaking pretty frelling good. I have several spots under it now where the oil is dripping. Thanks guys tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 16:13:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961C42584A42 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:13:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ACB258445A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rzJ11p004516pyw01zJPk6; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:18:23 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-057v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.67]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rzJN1p00X1TddKW01zJNve; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:18:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:18:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Spidell To: "Tim ." References: (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Question about an engine..... Thread-Index: bPbE/CXWDakxxRjzDOY0ZkJtNyCKUQ== s=q20140121; t=1423869503; bh=6Lyz2PR8fXfqoqff9In4BoDnxkcNiraCYgrIZ9UQen8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Rjj80ooPrw5eSb//rtMbC+/lk3Ucquzvwv1VBS+sO1HMtlZouZz/3WmMaGJT5zwOr YX7czx7OG/gTHilq96ybl9U4kLBSkFfDY/8pbNtY0jffb8ycfyQEUhdkoMm45hqv9M mao3OBoh96cg+Tp5qXU2bf1VHU+crKz5hnMr9QKOMRkd6XfvkadaK8xgYKHjbRnNs+ cQWgoI1I26W9/QLyeE3Y0sv7PsSDzqQ49Yeq0F2bNTPhOQyzEZatWuaj46WnOC03mb cObjRAHKk9kBMAFlNcLucbqwZFGyaj5TCzVirh5RxU1xf3RmESBadYM7wP3GGXch4R wtIRtE3/zi/yQ== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Question about an engine..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Synthetic oil does not 'destroy seals.' It's 'slipperier' than dino oils, so can get past seals and cause some additional leaking (or new leaking). A quart in 5 is gonna make no difference whatsoever as long as you used the same viscosity (dino-synth blends work quite well). If you're losing sleep do an oil change and forget about it. re: 'most likely a blend butstill not full synthetic' It it's a blend it will say so on the label, and it'll cost a little more than straight dino. Bob ----- Original Message ----- ... .....that has not had synthetic oil before. I have an 02 Highlander with ~185K miles on it. It has turned out to be a lemon and we are not wondering if the Carfax we saw was fakedlong story about all that Ive had to do this this vehicle since we got it. We've had it for about two years. I've done most of the oil changes and all have used only regular dyno oil (most likely a blend but still not full synthetic). The other day I topped up the oil, adding about half a quart, and realized too late that I had grabbed a quart of the full synthetic I use for my daughters car. Ive read that switching to full synthetic from regular oil can destroy the seals. Is this actually true? And if so, is about half a quart added to a five quart capacity engine enough to ruin seals? I ask this because in the past couple weeks Ive notice that this thing is now leaking pretty frelling good. I have several spots under it now where the oil is dripping. Thanks guys tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 13 18:30:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F8C2580712 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:30:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E830A258056E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:29:54 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=MMSWmpDUa2hybKgyy8UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=UF8vFeygUUEA:10 a=kFcCDd4LW1QA:10 a=SMBSOy_0XW8A:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:49654] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id A6/FA-17108-926AED45; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:34:33 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:27:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Question about an engine..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nothing I'd worry about - except wasting a bit of money since the synthetic usually costs more. Eric Russell Mebane, NC > .....that has not had synthetic oil before. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 16:24:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4541F258444D for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:24:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB3125805B0 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id A85458FF00; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E548FEFF for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:29:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: Shop-Talk References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I want to add a retractable air hose reel in my shop, so I can have air out in the driveway and other places, without wrestling with the 100' hose I have now. I don't need 100', 75 or even 50 would be fine. My priority is that it not leak. I have no leaks in my system now, and don't want to add any. It would be nice to have hose that stays flexible when cold, as it gets a little chilly here in Illinois ( -10 F tonight, supposedly ) and I will use it then, to inflate trailer and iceracer tires, among other things. Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 16:30:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4A2584776 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:30:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073D425805B0 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:30:05 -0700 (MST) References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:17 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/17/2015 18:17:14, Serialize complete at 02/17/2015 18:17:14 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 150' reel of rubber hose. It never tangles or freezes. The reel doesn't have a name on it, but it came from a rescue vehicle supply house. It wasn't cheap, but it doesn't leak. I think a better option for you is to put a ball valve right before the hose reel. Then you 'shut off' the supply to the reel. Not only does this prevent you from having any leaks if you want to get a cheaper unit, but when you have the hose pulled out, you shut off the supply, then drain the air out of the hose and it will reel up much easier! Enjoy! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson David Hillman Sent by: "Shop-talk" 02/17/2015 06:12 PM To Shop-Talk cc Subject [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec I want to add a retractable air hose reel in my shop, so I can have air out in the driveway and other places, without wrestling with the 100' hose I have now. I don't need 100', 75 or even 50 would be fine. My priority is that it not leak. I have no leaks in my system now, and don't want to add any. It would be nice to have hose that stays flexible when cold, as it gets a little chilly here in Illinois ( -10 F tonight, supposedly ) and I will use it then, to inflate trailer and iceracer tires, among other things. Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 16:35:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F7E258496C for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:35:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49073258059F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:35:18 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1424216400; bh=ueFlvp7ECwXS+HrZmR2N+oEAGB9L99AI9B2dNEvoGv8=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=X3HPKgAcbdl6er0eKPBKDx0/L9cMsuuGWu9AeomBCkiOslPY2b9Gbf4VK/Oqirfr1nEmb787BVti0OFonvrTt8j0BeHsRCMNGmDXTTWff3doGTzYveJKEAzcpn8dU98C2Krn2HkJqFKKuQhSdiSSd4Ir8GK4x9mL9G14sXLkdYc= Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:40:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2015 23:40:00 -0000 F4BfVh8Umz6zQo9REKKxA25yxveKZfgCkqM6.d3_Rooq1KqIJ7FCLuVUFv7O AfSFN8wyc7RWr0OvYiIxef5XTraM5mBENAbrzFOcKKgKzbNsfyOghoIP00Cv KqkiZPRcAjmRL0WBBg1cXLWPi9foUvE1yv1CJaUA4XLSfzwmIKYmiOvJN6BS IN1ugcPKXOj60nffDEePO5WS00.BBinNovV4bOCeZVyKnQQdL420OeS0K46N ZsZQuVSu4en9A8fwEUWwjhzhMeqO0q0L5wAd.9Nbg8Npv4CHTCVmVh5z.b7A w2JvzklJtyKjVM32LtAUN6QvCziSDW3.fshJbJRX_hqamt16_G1DOftReM7w FwAuEHohfEa5e8oOhpSo5qPdfd.R5sEHpTzPC7fvHd5qG6Czxt250dLBDekm mmdy3JZ9ggk6_E0aarh4luVDX8YeBORHzg5RQP58HV4fvuWmp1t1PQTM7wBI tTxyd8q_.u2qAIsfcjm9P0T3Rc3G6XKmbqMo8b.augU2CL9u.p.RSxPxUd.H bUMaj8GRaiIZQ3TFkeSLxN8cR_DJa8_0pVgEANTOUZ5xKsYvdDEM9xCYZBu3 zvYEPFEnlHhkBV_N2335k From: "john niolon" To: "'David Hillman'" , "shop-talk" References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:39:55 -0600 Thread-Index: AdBLCY8EDNeuZzaOSCWqf3WbOnTYkQAARy2g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David... I agree with Eric... I've got two... one commercial unit from a fire hose company and one from Harbor freight... neither leak but the hoses do... I put a ball valve before each and a drain stub under each. I just flip the lever off when I don't need air for a few minutes then back on when I need it... it goes off when the job is done and I don't lose my tanks charge... The really good commercial ones are VERY expensive.. john -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Hillman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:29 PM To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec I want to add a retractable air hose reel in my shop, so I can have air out in the driveway and other places, without wrestling with the 100' hose I have now. I don't need 100', 75 or even 50 would be fine. My priority is that it not leak. I have no leaks in my system now, and don't want to add any. It would be nice to have hose that stays flexible when cold, as it gets a little chilly here in Illinois ( -10 F tonight, supposedly ) and I will use it then, to inflate trailer and iceracer tires, among other things. Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 18:21:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE13F258463C for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:21:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53EE2580054 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id F2A478FF03; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F3C8FC0F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:26:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <00c401d04b0b$09edfea0$1dc9fbe0$@NET> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, john niolon wrote: > David... I agree with Eric... I've got two... one commercial unit from a > fire hose company and one from Harbor freight... neither leak but the > hoses do... I put a ball valve before each and a drain stub under each. I > just flip the lever off when I don't need air for a few minutes then back on > when I need it... it goes off when the job is done and I don't lose my > tanks charge... The really good commercial ones are VERY expensive.. My 'shop' is really a 2.5 car attached garage, and I have the compressor in a shed outside. Copper line runs into the garage on the rear wall, right by the entry/exit stairs to the house. There's a ball valve there with a big orange handle at eye level... I still don't always shut it off when I should ;) Sometimes I think I'm going inside for just a minute, and wind up done for the day, etc. I might not get back out there for a few days. It's not a huge deal if it leaks, but I'm kind of picky, and I feel like if we can land a probe on a comet, we ought to be able to build a hose reel that doesn't leak. At least not when it is brand new. And I already had to replace one ball valve that developed a leak in about a year, defeating its entire purpose. Thanks. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 19:45:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404572580491 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:45:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8840E25800C6 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E794272FA5 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 1ZHUve5-zsL3 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.135.36]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DACD94A0A9 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:48:34 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Shop-Talk References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have three of the Harbor Freight retractable reels in my shop. The reels don't seem to leak, but on two of them the short hoses from my copper air lines to the hose reel developed leaks and I just replaced them with regular hose. I also have a 3/4" ball valve on the wall where the air line comes into the shop from the shed and I keep it closed whenever I'm not in the shop. My lines don't leak but sometimes the QD fittings do. On 2/17/2015 3:29 PM, David Hillman wrote: > I want to add a retractable air hose reel in my shop, so I can have > air out in the driveway and other places, without wrestling with the > 100' hose I have now. I don't need 100', 75 or even 50 would be > fine. My priority is that it not leak. I have no leaks in my system > now, and don't want to add any. It would be nice to have hose that > stays flexible when cold, as it gets a little chilly here in Illinois > ( -10 F tonight, supposedly ) and I will use it then, to inflate > trailer and iceracer tires, among other things. > > Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. > > -- > David Hillman > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 19:54:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2036D2584514 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:54:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9A2580358 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:54:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:58:55 -0800 id 00000000002800C6.0000000054E3FFEF.00006397 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:58:55 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/17/2015 6:48 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I have three of the Harbor Freight retractable reels in my shop. I have two of the Harbor Freight hose reels. So far so good, one's been in regular use for 8+ years, the other 6+. Considerations: the rubber hose is okay, not great. When the hose started to crack around the threaded end I cut the end off the hose, bought a barbed quick-connect socket from McMaster-Carr, installed it with a couple Oetiker clamps, and put some heatshrink over the clamps. If it starts to crack again I'll cut it and move it up four inches. The ball valves in the branches are a good idea, wish I'd done so consistently, though the only leakage in my air system comes from crud accumulating in the quick-connect sockets, not in the hosereel hardware. Before you put the hosereel up on the wall remove the four nuts and lockwashers that hold the reel to the ratchet assembly and reinstall them tightly with some red Loctite. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 20:00:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77982584716 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:00:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B574825803C7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:01:49 -0800 id 00000000002800C6.0000000054E4009D.00006422 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:01:48 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E3FFEF.1010506@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > If it starts to crack again I'll cut it and move it up four inches. Just FYI relative to that: I use whip hoses on the air tools, I buy the long (30in I think) hoses and cut them in half, then put a barbed fitting and a couple Oetikers in the cut halves, works out considerably cheaper than buying finished hoses for some reason. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 20:05:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388DE2584708 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:05:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s1.hotmail.com [65.55.34.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64D525803CC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W9 ([65.55.34.73]) by COL004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:10:16 -0800 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:10:15 -0500 References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com>, FILETIME=[6B0921C0:01D04B28] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tried the HF one and found it leaked as soon as I opened the box. Back it went b/c who wants to deal with that bs. There are some really nice, Made in USA, "pro" reels on Amazon, but couldn't justify spending that much. Went with a Griot's garage one and have been happy the last year with it. I had heard good things including how they stand behind the products they sell. I'm sure the reel is a design you could find cheaper elsewhere... With the recent cold snap it got down to 15F while in the garage a couple nights ago, and the hose was stiff but not impossible to use. What I did find interesting is that the quick release hose connections for my impact gun and tire filler both leaked a little bit. They never do that, but I don't usually work in the garage with air tools in that kind of cold either. Weird. -PJ > Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 17 20:21:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C147D2584889 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:21:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D3E25803C7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:21:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 03:26:07 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.233] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 03:26:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2015 03:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 55140 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2015 03:26:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1424229966; bh=hnxvZ16inUkRx997+NnKmkce1AkjAIASPmN4o6ZGaDI=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OyHiMOGDEMdEo/ULUE0p17VnaRpghwCwWFgde7Fo7Pq1M4NlX0dF2+65dv0UFyxmrLq/LTBcp1KXCFFfal+d1B0KUWcKlqLGZg80MVFxh54krlM2J/IC5JaQhsTkHGxMXZ4pw/qULNlYYqlcnYHezHAiwJ64b4w8LIOlBpeeeKk= RKjBNjso.l2xq8OnI.2.tjmBvt5BqgYr663bl1zwfDzLGhnLPxtFKGOdKh6Y xKkQudxnWujI4bTtwzJYvT0IIZkRj22r68Nv25Vs1qUlb6Pqe0wFY_5p9Oa3 .KjEiVXpHTClWAxarp..nwnGLR3rfqgwTaXAWm6at3aG.2rfEOdQUJm6hcUV ykuSlZxcdXnK2zhioAP6ktRjnpSE9_75jnLkMbbPOJuSxTz3kqvUba44F1r6 aGsvv4DgBNODChSx3d1qDwwZAw9MWfdVrje5EkJqIGighfi9g4zqdDosu0QN fm_XrmqmOFa9lqnwF9WTRDqZX2OrCl5IY8Rq20iWTNGJb7iQT_f18NPOiuNt 4ywxCh41UOhf5hkHEi.6bz8TjGouKlLxB2s0X5qu.AtIFh51FvMWsx4cBgqP qX5tTvzhLA3svlo4EvjWlkHrAjwTzXrv92aZrZuCj_j8EJmeCxHYHm5OOMPf _Pl0lKB9GIH_1adRdR3uhmCRq_U7pTnGuDwUS_qmut3KIIL_9Lc.sIJSxR3l aHXEDNFW_VenoitHz7f0dRB3fJRtlnC72j45D6pSDMQWba4kwjM8f3L9RNzq GnLZpslDd5OEkbtSLTOpdzdroqzsJnoF7ruHbXkxTbR6id6TbBQgAMkFnXQ5 wxBhhjPjhgnItXg-- Received: from [99.103.5.33] by web181306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:26:06 PST SGV5IGd1eXMsCgpUaGVzZSB3b3JrIHdlbGwgaWYgeW91IGRvbid0IG1pbmQgaGFuZCBjcmFua2luZyB0aGVtLiAgVGhleSBkb24ndCBsZWFrLCBtYWRlIGluIHRoZSBVUyBhbmQgc2hvdWxkIGxhc3QgYSBsaWZldGltZS4gIFJlcGxhY2VtZW50IHBhcnRzIGFyZSBhdmFpbGFibGU6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1jbWFzdGVyLmNvbS8jaG9zZS1yZWVscy89dnlmcXZqCgoKYmVzdCwKCgpkb3VnCgpsb3MgYW5nZWxlcwpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCic3MiBCU0EgQjUwU1MKJzc0IE1vdG8gR3V6emkgODUwVAoKJzAxIEgBMAEBAQE- References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com>, Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:26:06 -0800 From: old dirtbeard To: PJ McGarvey , Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey guys, These work well if you don't mind hand cranking them. They don't leak, made in the US and should last a lifetime. Replacement parts are available: http://www.mcmaster.com/#hose-reels/=vyfqvj best, doug los angeles ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R '13 Cadillac ATS ________________________________ From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Tried the HF one and found it leaked as soon as I opened the box. Back it went b/c who wants to deal with that bs. There are some really nice, Made in USA, "pro" reels on Amazon, but couldn't justify spending that much. Went with a Griot's garage one and have been happy the last year with it. I had heard good things including how they stand behind the products they sell. I'm sure the reel is a design you could find cheaper elsewhere... With the recent cold snap it got down to 15F while in the garage a couple nights ago, and the hose was stiff but not impossible to use. What I did find interesting is that the quick release hose connections for my impact gun and tire filler both leaked a little bit. They never do that, but I don't usually work in the garage with air tools in that kind of cold either. Weird. -PJ > Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 06:21:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA1825844A2 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:21:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B112580428 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:21:45 -0700 (MST) References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com>, <1424229966.257.YahooMailNeo@web181306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:09:01 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 02/18/2015 08:08:55, Serialize complete at 02/18/2015 08:08:55 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a total of 8 reels in my shop. They are different styles and price points. The manual winding ones are far preferred when the reel is someplace that you can reach. The automatic type constantly 'stack' the hose on one side and then you need to pull it out a little way and rewind it. I do have one of the economy manual winding reel on the McMaster Carr page. I had to replace a washer on it and it was easy. The one thing about it that I don't like, is that with the arms sticking out, if you are winding the hose out in anything but a straight line, the hose will catch on them. I would definitely prefer a model with the disc sides instead of the four arms. FWIW, I do have a few cheapies from HF. They all work now (one needed tweaking when I got it.) They are holding up pretty well. As a testament to one of them, it's mounted on my lift upright. I raised the lift when the body was over the arm as it went up. I stopped it after it took some crushing. But the unit still works even though the body is messed up. I try to turn my air lines off when I leave the shop. I do have minor leaks in the system, but it's nothing that can be heard, and I'm not sure it's at any of the reels (or just there.) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson old dirtbeard Sent by: "Shop-talk" 02/17/2015 10:08 PM Please respond to old dirtbeard To PJ McGarvey , Shop Talk cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Hey guys, These work well if you don't mind hand cranking them. They don't leak, made in the US and should last a lifetime. Replacement parts are available: http://www.mcmaster.com/#hose-reels/=vyfqvj best, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 12:08:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6A92584A51 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:08:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EF92580782 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.248.132.59] ([172.248.132.59:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 3F/DF-04047-634E4E45; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:12:55 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:12:56 -0800 Thread-Index: AdBLforGUcwf20hlSuOQ/HjCnnkoJQAL7O0g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I try to turn my air lines off when I leave the shop. I forgot once, and got a rather panicked call from the housekeeper. The fitting had popped off the end of the hose, and the hose was whipping around everywhere, making a terrible racket. Fortunately didn't do any serious damage; and it has never happened again; but it still seems like a good enough reason not to leave the flexible lines under pressure. My long term plan is to install a motor-operated ball valve at the compressor (along with a contactor to kill power to the motor) and connect it to a wall switch in the garage. But for the moment, I just walk out and close a manual valve. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 12:19:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5CC25846B7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:19:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com (mail-ig0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4472584634 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id h15so38985829igd.4 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=2HxHdSov9eCB/X4h/93D8zvq8vvZAuPULUTpI61U7UE=; b=KtO9Uakkk/dAkNWpmUdSd4nXAHlos8ZyKAkN/fIlqL+jTp1gSnaad56d2EZ3BwTVaj NoJYNlDeIvS0uh4DbzePfzOGMTNRKDBwa0TNabogdRGMYXASrvVsBPz0cbvPjspoib/k eh4youZwoU41hqpbWY12m+jKFmdPdGya8mj9rXRUjqs7/O7EXYETA3YIr7JNNs1kEHIQ QZ902ObvBnHzvauSGkMQKjp7m4+ao/JDeq2Y8d8jKq09C8KXkUEb/j/6baCUkgWn7cwX oGoiVbQ8ebhlOEIWKIruqJUHdKiUAPV73g42+Clb8Oi4mDwb8SV/+4f9E5bKTIRu4wX3 47vw== lq4mr4954238igb.10.1424287443553; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.108.109 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) References: <3F.DF.04047.634E4E45@cdptpa-oedge01> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:24:03 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Randall wrote: > My long term plan is to install a motor-operated ball valve at the compressor (along with a contactor to kill power to the motor) > and connect it to a wall switch in the garage. But for the moment, I just walk out and close a manual valve. I got a contactor and one of these: http://www.zoro.com/i/G1676692/ when I had a good sale price. Haven't installed it yet, but I'll have a switch by the door with a pilot light. In my other hobby, I have the basement configured such that all the switches are down when I leave means that everything is safely shut off. Easy habit to develop. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 13:42:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2201E2580A4B for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E152580492 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id z60so3031020qgd.10 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:47:15 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lkb6/dxn40IH9jbB/5+mId4AGMo4cmf8RGCf3rGDA0E=; b=c/15nzqDSTzqzSI57uyR+lvS2MJVALzxwUndg1S2Say5v5UIhZtxJuuXOwNq88/vgt I2x9sfSA2nm7Rn1alv4ukKdw2s4MBPWnwpArUcYo9bnhzf4OBNP3Sa4o3ea6UJ/ahWvn uy61uLq6WoSKzE8ZQlWF+/jCIq76w4FmLudlObLXc31ElzAQ2xyQOGpXWsBSbx0UZuSt 8P3qROMpMsOR+neaJH3qhEcpq5gJqnzUcybGzZ7zNi35F03Ax5h0s4EKdj1UPRKW4bq+ pDFUdkBoEKWmKsRhee0fxW36DMbt99w6/zjs1H5BRQiAnXyMcx+wLnmMQDIk1hhSnerA DqJQ== d143mr4319344qhc.82.1424292435236; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.14.198] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k197sm8398873qhc.28.2015.02.18.12.47.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:47:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:47:17 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with David that we *should* be able to make fittings that don't leak any more, but after I spent forever trying to have a leak free system, I gave up and just put ball valves everywhere too. My QD fittings also leak, and I'm sure other stuff does too. I've now gone almost to the opposite extreme and so long as the line hold pressure while I'm trying to use it, I'm happy. I've decided my air lines are like the SR-71's fuel tanks--they're *supposed* to leak somewhat. Though I'm contemplating a new garage, and if that happens, the whole thing will be black iron and it'll so tight that it'll hold full pressure for months. I'll still use ball valves, but if I got to start from scratch, I'm going to have something that will make me cry (with happiness). Scott On 2/17/2015 9:48 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I have three of the Harbor Freight retractable reels in my shop. The > reels don't seem to leak, but on two of them the short hoses from my > copper air lines to the hose reel developed leaks and I just replaced > them with regular hose. I also have a 3/4" ball valve on the wall > where the air line comes into the shop from the shed and I keep it > closed whenever I'm not in the shop. My lines don't leak but > sometimes the QD fittings do. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 14:24:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AED2580A4B for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:24:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A2725802C9 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:24:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.115]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id txUk1p0092VvR6D01xVXEv; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:29:31 +0000 Received: from [172.20.2.47] ([174.77.91.131]) by resomta-ch2-19v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id txV51p00C2q2mNe01xVAKs; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:29:26 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:29:05 -0500 References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk 'shop-talk' s=q20140121; t=1424294971; bh=ayJgC83T1+0940CH4sFpayXm8xUH/ftCYjOLbt7E0+A=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=O3zttYModMQEmrrjZTekihTsep9vahCO+OUx2wfafrmWzDujIUYK642T37YJC0F8Q UDahmxG0IF8N6JeFibHsygh6LI4bwkEHY5PhKUG93USzlG16JQffDIYglM2PDIfQoy OwQDFY09Wj99OtA7AndPWXXFVDdhT51vbPDKXuWrgDg420d0o2ULCsD4YSydxtcf9B DqvDC2CDdLPJI1fIRCsCX0444N1SnBck7PHHe0rKSDqr33yb5DEgiQy61cf8Y8PxSN T8qQB3Ottb+GBGGTwr9UtThUjSYEPrz1NGuUPPTUI95qOGZz3gdEnAps1lOyhr1ha5 YNbarCv4oPqKw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a friend resto moding a '57 Ford in his first class restoration garage nee dairy barn. Much to my surprise, he uses the white plastic pipe to run air from his industrial sized compressor all over the place. He said it's been in place for about 25 years and he's had only one leak. Next time I'm by, I'll look at how he does retractable hoses if he does. Brian K On Feb 18, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Scott wrote: > I agree with David that we *should* be able to make fittings that don't leak any more, but after I spent forever trying to have a leak free system, I gave up and just put ball valves everywhere too. My QD fittings also leak, and I'm sure other stuff does too. I've now gone almost to the opposite extreme and so long as the line hold pressure while I'm trying to use it, I'm happy. I've decided my air lines are like the SR-71's fuel tanks--they're *supposed* to leak somewhat. > > Though I'm contemplating a new garage, and if that happens, the whole thing will be black iron and it'll so tight that it'll hold full pressure for months. I'll still use ball valves, but if I got to start from scratch, I'm going to have something that will make me cry (with happiness). > > Scott > > On 2/17/2015 9:48 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: >> I have three of the Harbor Freight retractable reels in my shop. The reels don't seem to leak, but on two of them the short hoses from my copper air lines to the hose reel developed leaks and I just replaced them with regular hose. I also have a 3/4" ball valve on the wall where the air line comes into the shop from the shed and I keep it closed whenever I'm not in the shop. My lines don't leak but sometimes the QD fittings do. > _ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 14:56:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1E12584716 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:56:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EDE2580058 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:56:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id C1BBA8FEF6; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAFD8FC28 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: Shop Talk 'shop-talk' References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Brian Kennedy wrote: > I have a friend resto moding a '57 Ford in his first class restoration garage > nee dairy barn. Much to my surprise, he uses the white plastic pipe to run air > from his industrial sized compressor all over the place. He said it's been in > place for about 25 years and he's had only one leak. Next time I'm by, I'll > look at how he does retractable hoses if he does. You might want to tell him to rip that pipe out, while you are there. It is lethal when it blows, which it will do, eventually. I'd wear a helmet when I visit, if I were you. "Dear Mr. Cannova: In response to your recent inquiry concerning our regulatory position on the use of plastic pipe for compressed air systems, I trust this letter will clear up any confusion over the issue. It is our position that PVC pipe shall not be used as a means of transporting compressed air. This position follows the manufacturer's own statements that PVC is unsuitable for compressed air systems. We do allow the use of certain ABS materials that are specifically designed for compressed air systems. One such product is "Duraplus" air line piping system ABS pipe. However, as in any such system, the manufacturer's specifications on acceptable pressure and temperature considerations must be followed. In closing, misapplication of a product, such as using PVC for compressed air systems, may result in citations and penalties being issued dependent upon the specific conditions." - https://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 15:03:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EAC2584978 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:03:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f179.google.com (mail-qc0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A78258489C for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r5so3379921qcx.10 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3DXI0IxtA867ImWIbNhKT428U5neu7yuAoduXSzAt8o=; b=g0qG+voFJDJ8IbMT2m4ECinUUWerPcO4DMXZYdU6eRKr8KOTWiSglVAVWoOKsZUE6W Z/n7twhqjWUGPEdtmskHEcMooX01fcVhpRO1dSKXHtxeDFEfGdjPRxnQl6gy7O0QXk4e B7Smr2eMnkueD8Xvgi62ZivyhPcxf5bWewb5hKyYTne6LeyJr0zmzTPCovcP3khASTiq QCaJWsq2FnEX+0BB7aaaPNFz7sO75iLoDrMfDIEV7dRT9fjiep+woPN8u2KasF355Wl9 X+wYBHKG/8x5M+Rha5u2G8fjtVhO48ZrCOlhK1A7pJZd5VNwKFwOl/zIlEYB8nM3Wzzf s/xA== n9mr4625782qgd.17.1424297193423; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.14.198] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n81sm8524738qhb.37.2015.02.18.14.06.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:06:35 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm torn on this subject. On the one hand, yes, why would you ever use PVC when you could use anything else, and I've heard of PVC grenade-ing with awful results. On the other, I've had a compressed air PVC line explode literally right above my head, and aside from the noise, it was no big deal. I'd never recommend PVC lines, but I've spent a lot of time around them. The one time one blew, it didn't spray the room with lethal shards. Scott On 2/18/2015 5:01 PM, David Hillman wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Brian Kennedy wrote: >> I have a friend resto moding a '57 Ford in his first class >> restoration garage >> nee dairy barn. Much to my surprise, he uses the white plastic pipe >> to run air >> from his industrial sized compressor all over the place. He said it's >> been in >> place for about 25 years and he's had only one leak. Next time I'm >> by, I'll >> look at how he does retractable hoses if he does. > > You might want to tell him to rip that pipe out, while you are > there. It is lethal when it blows, which it will do, eventually. I'd > wear a helmet when I visit, if I were you. > > "Dear Mr. Cannova: > > In response to your recent inquiry concerning our regulatory position > on the use of plastic pipe for compressed air systems, I trust this > letter will clear up any confusion over the issue. > > It is our position that PVC pipe shall not be used as a means of > transporting compressed air. This position follows the manufacturer's > own statements that PVC is unsuitable for compressed air systems. We > do allow the use of certain ABS materials that are specifically > designed for compressed air systems. One such product is "Duraplus" > air line piping system ABS pipe. However, as in any such system, the > manufacturer's specifications on acceptable pressure and temperature > considerations must be followed. > > In closing, misapplication of a product, such as using PVC for > compressed air systems, may result in citations and penalties being > issued dependent upon the specific conditions." > - https://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 16:09:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D86D2580B27 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:09:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7E25800AA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id D892C8FC12; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54F58FC0F for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> <54E50CEB.8010703@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Scott wrote: > I'd never recommend PVC lines, but I've spent a lot of time around them. The > one time one blew, it didn't spray the room with lethal shards. The last time I took a grinder to a piece of metal, a shard bounced harmlessly off my cheek. Now I figure there's no reason to wear eye protection. It'd be one thing if it was just copper and steel pipe manufacturers telling everyone not to use PVC, since they'd have an obvious ulterior motive. But every single maker of PVC pipe tells everyone not to use their product for compressed air ( in addition to OSHA and well, everybody else ). Just that chart alone should be enough to convince even the cheapest, most-safety-averse person that PVC for compressed air is stupid. Average compressor outlet temperature is around double the rating for the pipe... and at half that temperature, the pipe strength is basically maxed out by a typical compressor ( 600 psi * .22 de-rate for 140* = 132 psi when brand new! ). If you consider a safety margin of zero acceptable, then I guess I have no further comment. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 16:22:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45296258056D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:22:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9761625800AA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id B9D138FC28; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94F28FC0F for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> <54E50CEB.8010703@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would apologize for hijacking the thread, but it was mine to begin with, so... I'm amazed everytime this subject comes up that some people still won't believe that compressed air in PVC is dangerous because it hasn't happened to them. It takes no effort at all to find hundreds of stories like this one... "Basil - I was working in a commercial radiator shop (in Sidney) and our PVC lines worked perfectly (for several years), right until they failed catastrophically. The explosion that occurred was instant and complete, with an amazing amount of shrapnel flying around. It's not something I'd wish on anyone and for the sake of saving a few $$ or a bit of time on the install, PVC airlines just aren't worth the risk. Not only will I never install PVC for airlines, I'll not even set foot in a shop that has them." or this one... "As to PVC: NO!! My last (huge) shop came pre-plumbed with 1" PVC air lines. When the one branch let go, it shot a six-foot-long, javelin-pointed piece of pipe at me, which slammed into the bandsaw I was working with at the time, shattering the pipe. PVC? No way." - http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?104099-CVPC-or-PVC-Air-line Why insist on replicating mistakes that have already been made? At least make NEW mistakes. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 16:27:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFA0258056D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com (mail-qc0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746B525800AA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w7so3683447qcr.4 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:31:37 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NkV7ezTsiPwUHu2igd07XV74oFV1RFXPLicsyh919k0=; b=06CiTaM/d7ab5qafUeA7mcT9HLjP1KrOR7vcqK09SyAu7Nrr0mA1SEOUAacWG72Zhe DkAOHuOtolBnSWkykHpSH30JanUwuekLL9V09cvazGtFCVd1p2ojFe1Ry2QXn8w07TLo yuY/CZwWpIv8p7poCDNY+4ApbC68XI7WKxGISZKjUjwZ5bmmqHoLgfFr99DPNR2lQcR8 TwFz40yW+zjRdOG4nQTIzub2TSpf9zIIq26s4MwwoSq4FCkvwxBGlRusVgHaGNlwAuWX dzUd1WOUOP67HsMUWOY6hqTD8AbSCtrI3nsfAyi+GqFtIoyGgSGf9IeZ3CYCKtuDcmMh q4oA== 64mr5545993qgf.50.1424302297517; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.14.198] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c102sm12065216qge.41.2015.02.18.15.31.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:31:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:31:38 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> <54E50CEB.8010703@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/18/2015 6:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Scott wrote: >> I'd never recommend PVC lines, but I've spent a lot of time around >> them. The one time one blew, it didn't spray the room with lethal >> shards. > > The last time I took a grinder to a piece of metal, a shard bounced > harmlessly off my cheek. Now I figure there's no reason to wear eye > protection. I think it's more like "you'll die a fiery death if you don't obey the speed limit". Yes, sometimes you will. But the vast overwhelming majority of the time, you're fine. And I think that's the problem with that argument. Like I said, I'd never use PVC, because I don't want to be the 1 in 100,000,000 that gets my eye put out. But I also won't be running screaming from a shop if I see PVC air lines. I won't hang out under them, but it's not on the same level as, say, a hungry Bengal tiger or angry king cobra. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 17:38:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0797E2580759 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:38:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4A625800AA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.99]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u0jS1p00229Cfhx010jSJ4; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:43:26 +0000 Received: from [172.20.2.47] ([174.77.91.131]) by resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id u0j01p0022q2mNe010j5nw; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:43:21 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:42:59 -0500 References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> <54E50CEB.8010703@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk 'shop-talk' s=q20140121; t=1424306606; bh=mle+RUtZA/ztYHu7OGYRXyOEzC5OfYLPYUiAolPmQzM=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=tkWr0W8lEukjqENpR+JnR5rNVrJs1mMGMnfg7mTk+iKyqlPhezSHRnWLMxcB9c3CH nGPeuVVjqXCtWbYKlsIXYR0MUibLSE3NpGaktFmGhCTGM0zfgtvTVCRI2OlznXRnmr TZozGvdlsPu3WRYORVVAmIrQbUy9NWVCG4z3DSfBB9ZmQbhn1Swi+js1oQhwg7AZHx EzBlsFJnwxsOxc3jJUKWmH4FTUUIIfkavnsCoBJKnYEzw2WnWsJkfOXHR254hjOPdM q4wHRfYIjQZ/jvx7/1UvzNZPi6gAtFtkDj4zzZvYdohtwpPxVDac2nbFns94Ke7dpf ulX79UBkl80Pg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like my surprise was justified. Brian K. On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:26 PM, David Hillman wrote: > I would apologize for hijacking the thread, but it was mine to begin with, so... > > I'm amazed everytime this subject comes up that some people still won't believe that compressed air in PVC is dangerous because it hasn't happened to them. It takes no effort at all to find hundreds of stories like this one... > > "Basil - I was working in a commercial radiator shop (in Sidney) and our PVC lines worked perfectly (for several years), right until they failed catastrophically. > > The explosion that occurred was instant and complete, with an amazing amount of shrapnel flying around. It's not something I'd wish on anyone and for the sake of saving a few $$ or a bit of time on the install, PVC airlines just aren't worth the risk. > > Not only will I never install PVC for airlines, I'll not even set foot in a shop that has them." > > or this one... > > "As to PVC: NO!! > > My last (huge) shop came pre-plumbed with 1" PVC air lines. When the one branch let go, it shot a six-foot-long, javelin-pointed piece of pipe at me, which slammed into the bandsaw I was working with at the time, shattering the pipe. > > PVC? No way." > - http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?104099-CVPC-or-PVC-Air-line > > > Why insist on replicating mistakes that have already been made? At least make NEW mistakes. > > -- > David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 17:51:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BCE2584555 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:51:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7552580759 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] [216.223.227.106] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id bf880003d60c8947; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:56:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:56:23 -0700 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Scott , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> <54E3FD82.8080800@frontier.com> <54E4FA55.80208@gmail.com> <7ACA1E84-4E72-4220-9A06-A160588DA794@comcast.net> <54E50CEB.8010703@gmail.com> <54E520DA.5000605@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/18/2015 4:31 PM, Scott wrote: > On 2/18/2015 6:13 PM, David Hillman wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Scott wrote: >>> I'd never recommend PVC lines, but I've spent a lot of time around >>> them. The one time one blew, it didn't spray the room with lethal >>> shards. >> >> The last time I took a grinder to a piece of metal, a shard >> bounced harmlessly off my cheek. Now I figure there's no reason to >> wear eye protection. > > I think it's more like "you'll die a fiery death if you don't obey the > speed limit". Yes, sometimes you will. But the vast overwhelming > majority of the time, you're fine. > > And I think that's the problem with that argument. Like I said, I'd > never use PVC, because I don't want to be the 1 in 100,000,000 that > gets my eye put out. But I also won't be running screaming from a shop > if I see PVC air lines. > > I won't hang out under them, but it's not on the same level as, say, a > hungry Bengal tiger or angry king cobra. All that said, bad practices predict bad outcomes. No, most of the time, one won't end up dying a fiery death exceeding the speed limit, but the odds of doing so go up dramatically if one's tires are bald, brakes are shot and the accelerator linkage is cobbled together with coathangers and twine--especially if one exhibits a lack of awareness of the potential for disaster such compromises inevitably entail. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 18 21:59:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9CD258453E for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:59:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E805025806FE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by pablf10 with SMTP id lf10so6643504pab.12 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:04:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ChER7MX4U7OgqXPf6Q6A/x2ClGkcX1V8J3pGS9U2+Wg=; b=y2P5WqyMJE10d8Lec+Z61h5yflaqqNmOV8V79+m27g8prMF7W/t3/6/p7KyzPfqbCO DwkDKfbhAFwuFiOp71Xarn/KLZYx8YCqpwvFQVqy016XlU3ePSJvW+YWjMyznnBnd+qU TbtBtiC95c9jf7aQ/ALFoZQnTO31rXZOqekRIKuLKhzslfpzVkMAedrzg3KU03bWXQuH 24FEOli0gVp1yFVzi1+pmO3kvQwI1qinTi4qm8elfPB8ttVVpW93ZLPmHq3tss79FEKx AhDB8n5aH509OcdCDT9QFZ2qaRZDx1wYg205eS3uAwCz3G87RnyJx+9JEcDtfXElRaiU NcJQ== t1mr4540520pdm.128.1424322256089; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.111.195 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:04:15 -0800 (PST) References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:04:15 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: David Hillman Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:29 PM, David Hillman wrote: > I want to add a retractable air hose reel in my shop, so I can have air > out in the driveway and other places, without wrestling with the 100' hose I > have now. I don't need 100', 75 or even 50 would be fine. My priority is > that it not leak. I have no leaks in my system now, and don't want to add > any. It would be nice to have hose that stays flexible when cold, as it > gets a little chilly here in Illinois ( -10 F tonight, supposedly ) and I > will use it then, to inflate trailer and iceracer tires, among other things. > > Any recommendations to buy, or ones to avoid? Thanks. I won't comment on the reel, or pvc pipe, as others seem to have that covered. But I will comment about the hose. Get good quality rubber, not plastic, hose. Goodyear sells some good stuff, that's readily available and not terribly expensive. (50' of 3/8 hose for ~$30) It works well down below zero. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 09:03:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C564C2584752 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:03:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com (mail-ig0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C30B25804AB for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hl2so10321608igb.5 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:07:44 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IG6W+R1YQNNd1GykiUhxJjFEZHpYwD/iroqZr+07bGI=; b=KnYo9lfthqq5Sn2p9eSu/W73cVnHpvJOPoe7fxPJPiS4nfJgPu1smnGfw1VF+K7js2 bLerKngqPpItJgIRpltLgEi4chuduE5Tv95DIVx+sgYVAQtJRa4Vaob14vvbZO1d4X4O 6CW+zTn4k5Ae/b3AuU1RzSpuifmUWUgTjfmZ+XIF2OW6vssjb5QlocxVlTzIcTjzY0RR WpW6LqinUcP+iDwKZv1cA9jRXG19s3eDJA700jrmj2Gd7h+NVbMSpGFZuJaRcTpSPuwq har9OCaZoGNCyUSrQ3ug4FvT/zLhdJRBpL+UW/bEmyVJ7j3nOiYdiFjVkt8N3rxmR88f 5hBQ== Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.65.30 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:07:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:07:43 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I got a new car (1025 Subaru Outback), and I realized that newer cars use those plastic rivet-clips (the kind with the pop-up center pin) EVERYWHERE. Do they make any special sort of tool for easily removing these without risking scratching the surround area, or busting the clip? Most of the time you can pry them with a little screwdriver, but that can be rough on them. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 09:17:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FEE2584C24 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:17:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602B62584776 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:17:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i50so7237946qgf.0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dE54thDST9CX+v/1PvBPlEUivU7/kSU0BSyPTT4/wq4=; b=zOrFPaSLsitKpFgRUFgFwuLn6lLYthljRe/SPYmrP/3Xs7eTiN9zudwFKlbUa98y1e 0FyHvOtzhSB2WJA2+IIoVeeCDd/HXMqjGod2y8RUfNGCEbjNdS+RzrLH5rAj3YeETNSw 9iFM+wckj9QRC4xx9EmcdMFLFDy/sHTltuHE2Zxqdgt4DDJjnK549FvP55wfSE5Copce /fgK0iG/BVKcdfZHR30dhrpwdwRbunVh0hH5IJapwmQO/r6+YYZNRiM6bBxYCyID0JaY bfbu0VvGCZKf3xIaOtxyzSBRiso36qKvpSBMhWMc1YCmH3B0I0duxD1u1lMus7nSpJ4T 36tQ== v48mr13008719qgv.77.1424362943545; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.151.136 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:22:23 -0600 From: John Innis To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use a trim panel remover on those. (like this one http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-35260-Plastic-Fastener-Remover/dp/B0002SRCMO/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424362815&sr=1-3&keywords=trim+panel+remover) I put a little tape on the back side to avoid scratches, but they make these in plastic now, it might be a better choice for this application. It works pretty well on newer parts. On ones that have seen some miles I find the heads often break off when I try to pop them up. When that happen I just push the center pin out with a small screwdriver and install a new fastener when I reassemble. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I got a new car (1025 Subaru Outback), and I realized that newer cars use > those plastic rivet-clips (the kind with the pop-up center pin) > EVERYWHERE. Do they make any special sort of tool for easily removing > these without risking scratching the surround area, or busting the clip? > Most of the time you can pry them with a little screwdriver, but that can > be rough on them. > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 09:22:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116782584BE1 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:22:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront2.g2host.com [209.98.94.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90763258447C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO [192.168.1.48]) by mailfront2.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPSA id 15969855; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:24:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:24:04 -0600 From: Arvid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Doug Braun , Shop-Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug, I have a 2015 Scion. This is probably common knowledge but it took me a while to figure it out. I usually just push the pin further in and then the rivet seems to easily pop out. I need to be careful to not push the pin "to far in" as the pin then falls out the back side of the rivet and into the unreachable spots in the car. Just a light push usually moves the pin to the "can get the rivet out" position that seems to be designed into the setup. If I need tools I've got these ... http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-auto-trim-and-molding-tool-set-67021.html http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-upholstery-and-trim-tool-set-99739.html Arvid On 2/19/2015 10:07 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I got a new car (1025 Subaru Outback), and I realized that newer cars use > those plastic rivet-clips (the kind with the pop-up center pin) > EVERYWHERE. Do they make any special sort of tool for easily removing > these without risking scratching the surround area, or busting the clip? > Most of the time you can pry them with a little screwdriver, but that can > be rough on them. > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 09:38:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E3B2584619 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:38:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5F1258447C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i50so7422358qgf.0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cn4DFEfECpyfhFWJmD7EXgrNYAPergd5sTvJ4Hsm2G0=; b=WHG8CcblfsJbXM+VaHwt7I0hJDa5k6hjbCTlWNL4UYncOQ0egGhQfLmBDGfwtsIjJh /si+1Fwina/Mr6OjlTybxT6dvHu2aZ4KrshUS0CBpzbTLsiC1PgKIpj2XKTx+LMZyFbU 8a3sekXcWia8gw3rqYDwy77KZzSCoidBKh/XLWRbtmeOXSo1nuaH9iLoH3p+05+sLIsr YVpOPFpVCdcO++3wUlxam4R85Z016RJ/n84Qp1+O5dca1Hga27m0pcNYjoBbSd+M2lMn sUNlg7DiKEKmNqhpkzFfvBLtJsuAoLqbsG+vXn9V4IwcQYMvkcV51f1rR+KS6C6dc2Kw PZpA== 6mr14163504qhs.44.1424364181980; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.14.198] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 127sm9993178qhe.29.2015.02.19.08.43.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:43:05 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I saw a guy online use a hook tool from a pick set. Actually seemed to work better than the tool I have (like the one John posted) for removing them. Probably 30% of the time I break them with the tool. He worked the loop of the hook under the head and pulled. I *hate* those things. They've been on every new-ish car I've worked on for the last ten years or so. On 2/19/2015 11:07 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I got a new car (1025 Subaru Outback), and I realized that newer cars use > those plastic rivet-clips (the kind with the pop-up center pin) > EVERYWHERE. Do they make any special sort of tool for easily removing > these without risking scratching the surround area, or busting the clip? > Most of the time you can pry them with a little screwdriver, but that can > be rough on them. > > Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 09:46:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5150F2584BEE for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (mail-ig0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47491258447C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f182.google.com with SMTP id h15so10720283igd.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yTFL0bGaK0q1aQvkrWsHsi23Yxqw0Ajj7xx67UWRLV0=; b=km3EzJglkAwPXMSf3WAuYpCwNbWT+ghgYGJrNyNp4Pg9KYPGRayGA8+3Wk5Ta+CYhK WkYRf1y45rU8wPFRg+zsoUoTdZHask89CQSt7WB/u5qahFwQ44AJEedvD64nD/VzSbj1 N7snwn3mHMz7vFNqX39MymI6ECG+AmjRwLkjBdalXfwumnmEc2sQVybGPnh85I+z6vuY dYofAiHoRkdvefaPLtTBRqu8KzSeAje9kakVgjVMhZPE7wAjmqNYfZF8dfbni2GWO39R 8/Qc/YJbFiWnu7DkYOGq4nCvYx2SLMJqV+cWvUj0kuVoAq/PvoSaPXirJR8P6h7vzw+F j5Uw== ga1mr11037507igd.33.1424364684793; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.65.30 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:51:24 -0800 (PST) References: <54E60E24.6030508@visi.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:51:24 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Arvid Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have some of those generic plastic pry-things, but I noticed a different style of tool that HF sells: http://www.harborfreight.com/push-pin-pliers-67400.html The next time I pass by the local HF, I'll have a look at it. Doug On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Arvid wrote: > Doug, > > I have a 2015 Scion. This is probably common knowledge but it took me a > while to figure it out. > > I usually just push the pin further in and then the rivet seems to easily > pop out. I need to be careful to not push the pin "to far in" as the pin > then falls out the back side of the rivet and into the unreachable spots in > the car. Just a light push usually moves the pin to the "can get the rivet > out" position that seems to be designed into the setup. > > If I need tools I've got these ... > > http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-auto-trim-and-molding- > tool-set-67021.html > > http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-upholstery-and-trim- > tool-set-99739.html > > Arvid _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 10:37:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4082584486 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:37:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BAB25808B7 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:38:54 -0800 id 00000000002800BD.0000000054E61FAE.0000237E Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:38:54 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54721EF3.4040207@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Air Hose Reel Rec Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I won't comment on the reel, or pvc pipe, as others seem to have that > covered. But I will comment about the hose. Get good quality rubber, > not plastic, hose. Goodyear sells some good stuff, that's readily > available and not terribly expensive. (50' of 3/8 hose for ~$30) It > works well down below zero. Yeah, good rubber hose. Good luck getting a plastic hose to coil back onto a reel in anything less than 75deg F temps. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 10:54:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC532584CD7 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:54:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09F32584486 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:54:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n8so7200527qaq.3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=njWFjqHPcEuPpmiOzCsyXaF0msAT5nEJnxAuU4O1x5g=; b=MEJAw7aTxQ9IubYVmCzOMXm3Eyc5RDqkmwrx3eUtlLO89C0ZrmjF/BjyhUht9wDqSQ vAQvDd7E4eVZ5EKbKYoI357HbciapQmuzDimMRjdjzqtZegnLzQd1x7G4mrmUVBv8XXH A60SkhktAIZY7ny1ANea7m+tTZGpZWEbN73tnf/dva7PtwqS66aHIzbRQwC8Jq5t2IqR L97ejvVy3Dws1rjd7ps+opN/7u6MmRghpF5I1sn2eAoaHQyh7OxMEsEpalC+JPLGA94K 6oNtMgP4vygZPADV6wxstXp+R/ALakOheIQDHqzoDWaxQ7W4Hq5cT9epRDOdNA3r0vJj oV9w== t22mr14252291qge.9.1424368773336; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.125.14.198] ([192.119.230.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t75sm20137245qgd.42.2015.02.19.09.59.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:59:36 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54E60E24.6030508@visi.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh--seeing that reminded me of the other thing I saw online--wire cutters (dykes?). The guy forced the 'blades' under the head of the retainer, closed slightly, and pulled it out that way. (I have a new Nissan, Cadillac, Volkswagen(s), and older Mazdas and Toyotas that are *loaded* with these things. After I destroyed the ones holding the Cadillac's front valance on a while back I finally started looking around on how to get them off in the least-destructive way possible. I still don't like them. On 2/19/2015 11:51 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > I have some of those generic plastic pry-things, but I noticed a different > style of tool that HF sells: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/push-pin-pliers-67400.html > > The next time I pass by the local HF, I'll have a look at it. > > Doug > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Arvid wrote: > >> Doug, >> >> I have a 2015 Scion. This is probably common knowledge but it took me a >> while to figure it out. >> >> I usually just push the pin further in and then the rivet seems to easily >> pop out. I need to be careful to not push the pin "to far in" as the pin >> then falls out the back side of the rivet and into the unreachable spots in >> the car. Just a light push usually moves the pin to the "can get the rivet >> out" position that seems to be designed into the setup. >> >> If I need tools I've got these ... >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-auto-trim-and-molding- >> tool-set-67021.html >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-upholstery-and-trim- >> tool-set-99739.html _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 11:11:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4081D2584CF0 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:11:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52CA2584486 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:16:30 -0800 id 00000000002800BD.0000000054E6287E.00002941 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:16:30 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54E60E24.6030508@visi.com> <54E62488.9090406@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/19/2015 9:59 AM, Scott wrote: > Oh--seeing that reminded me of the other thing I saw online--wire > cutters (dykes?). The guy forced the 'blades' under the head of the > retainer, closed slightly, and pulled it out that way. That's mostly how I do it. There's also the ones that have the push-stud with no head in the middle, and the only way to remove them is to push the stud through the fastener and hope you can find it on the other side when it falls out. When I'm doing a job that involves these things I try to have a few spare fasteners around... > (I have a new Nissan, Cadillac, Volkswagen(s), and older Mazdas and > Toyotas that are *loaded* with these things. After I destroyed the ones > holding the Cadillac's front valance on a while back I finally started > looking around on how to get them off in the least-destructive way > possible. From an assembly perspective they hold the parts together fairly snugly but not TOO tight, if you're talking about something like a plastic underbody cover or a bumper cap, something that hits the panel and displaces it will tear the panel if it's held in with a screw, the plastic fastener will let the panel shift. There are places that stuff like this just doesn't work, though. Have a look under the last decade's Honda Odysseys sometime, half the ones going down the road have the front pan hanging down. My nomination for pure silliness goes to the spring clips that hold the front half of the fender liner to the bottom of the bumper cap on '97-00 BMW E39 5-series. Even a slight curb/parking block tap on the bottom of the fender liner will pull it loose from the bumper and it'll blow back and chew itself up on the tire. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 19 11:33:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4922584786 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:33:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C5F2580998 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id gq1so17919149obb.2 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W+f5ISImQz7/schztBXpM4AXoIpP7+Sc/gSZuVN5Upk=; b=gZEpp7snWPwnFq1VvY72rpXA4XQRHNNdIrNY5NoSAe6GgmlQyEMYXtSiOGPpU2Pw/k 8UH1oFsbE3yqB0TLGf3Bi1/qnfiy1hYQEnD/Gru1bgvmwkAwWZ7dmatBDhip9IOfTP7S aMte9SI1riqaRKJTIb4FMDnySnpiJ1dqhWDORVrDvdXOt1Fh3548NwOovTe0EnY6OmO5 AclISCk7Gdu8KbR0AbEHTujUqVaWuemNI/dkmc5tZAtjWxPDzaZeHv+aNhL7g2ah7nS3 n+ddV0VsX4aN42mjAI9TaFNNWtCx+YC+ms+VOxGRzugmoA0HGUj6xLotJ0yXTxY3cD0Y XYVw== i67mr3676567oif.68.1424371052244; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.170.78 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) References: <54E60E24.6030508@visi.com> <54E62488.9090406@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:37:32 -0500 From: Mark Andy To: Scott Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Special tool for those plastic rivet clips? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, This is how I frequently get these clips out. I've never see one where you push the pin in further to loosen it. Mark On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Scott wrote: > Oh--seeing that reminded me of the other thing I saw online--wire cutters > (dykes?). The guy forced the 'blades' under the head of the retainer, > closed slightly, and pulled it out that way. > > (I have a new Nissan, Cadillac, Volkswagen(s), and older Mazdas and > Toyotas that are *loaded* with these things. After I destroyed the ones > holding the Cadillac's front valance on a while back I finally started > looking around on how to get them off in the least-destructive way possible. > > I still don't like them. > > On 2/19/2015 11:51 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > >> I have some of those generic plastic pry-things, but I noticed a different >> style of tool that HF sells: >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/push-pin-pliers-67400.html >> >> The next time I pass by the local HF, I'll have a look at it. >> >> Doug >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Arvid wrote: >> >> Doug, >>> >>> I have a 2015 Scion. This is probably common knowledge but it took me a >>> while to figure it out. >>> >>> I usually just push the pin further in and then the rivet seems to easily >>> pop out. I need to be careful to not push the pin "to far in" as the pin >>> then falls out the back side of the rivet and into the unreachable spots >>> in >>> the car. Just a light push usually moves the pin to the "can get the >>> rivet >>> out" position that seems to be designed into the setup. >>> >>> If I need tools I've got these ... >>> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-auto-trim-and-molding- >>> tool-set-67021.html >>> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-upholstery-and-trim- >>> tool-set-99739.html >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@ > maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive