From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 10:53:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BF525856E3 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:53:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E92F258495F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id a141so42765355oig.8 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:57:47 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VYDecXAzAwViwdUVadWEFEf22cUqP/L1Zl0bju+fESM=; b=EY5M5OA4J7ndLehNuhS2LNtsKoGS4Seeictprm0O/AVABUXsVvqtmzqDcPo/4FWJwR qMpnGf0rsVDdakkD5rIC45F5OblMQ3VA/V/bjes6AXqY6onDcsXBfsAgwSPQFuVtEsHv YXT/xOrGV/15HcL3PNpQOCYSJj2nWJs3VuwUzTx1IWAI3Zdn4bwMGzbYElpdRK27kFPb PkL8o9driSGozWlPlDHe9GN2mjDdp4z+nHYQEmuQ+z4DA17OorLXQwb/drZTe6cFeLfC yWSEFa+ih0HRvq9y2xl4MUK1bF7DoQ0ICEECBoKdqQy0CbrY34wdHPpdmgUMLuWjylGB JQDw== tv5mr4341444obb.41.1420307866984; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.93.193 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.93.193 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:57:46 -0600 From: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. Any suggestions as to projects I should try. The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 11:18:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1272F2585776 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:18:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1302584AF9 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:18:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31AD28F42B; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YX2VoEDlYdAT; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C62D630C09B; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:23:17 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com>, Shop-Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What kind of class is it, and what is your skill level? If you have low or zero experience, I would initially focus on just learning the basics of gas, stick and wire feed welding, and then, if they offer it, maybe try tig. Learn the equipment, types and positions of welds, metal preparation, types of rod, and so on. Relax, take your time and take advantage of the experience of your instructor and the other students. Welding and figuring out how to do projects can be a lot of fun. If you already have, or once you get some basic experience, your projects are pretty much going to be dictated by what you need, but your fuel pump bracket for the Healy sounds like a good start. Build a full size cardboard mock up to figure out all the locations and joints, then cut it out and build it. Welding projects are something we struggle with in my Ag Mechanics classes. Years ago when a lot of the students came from farms or lived on acreage, there was always something that needed to be welded or fabricated. Gates, trailers, hitches, farm or ag equipment, car and truck stuff. Now most of the kids live in town or in apartments and most of them don't have a clue about what to make as a welding project. Building a deer feeder, a trailer dolly, engine lift or repairing a box blade is a foreign to them as building a space shuttle. On 1/3/2015 9:57 AM, Patton Dickson wrote: > I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. > > The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better > fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 11:48:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3042125808A7 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:48:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f173.google.com (mail-ig0-f173.google.com [209.85.213.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87F4258009C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id r2so833733igi.12 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=BxsnsdYIByEdGK/tsXPNnheuiMMeeid+BNnrjj/PL0M=; b=P+wUKtXLbfrWr9EZ2qUTwtl0eAFKukJN+x7pIUM9Detz4empr6/+nNiakJnXhuIP0Q /zmAV60uq917hkMtcR0O5q7hXMkF6TAknIVDd34odLE7owZ5zUb0/TXbkCqkcxSgitx6 LcDlECE5ixOBTY76xUGva9byqSsekY+B/DBAb50oQPSFEI3chUgnYqqGuObBeXNFTiO0 XiU2ATEoCRrgLFuz4zsJrQK2r2tSDc9WQanB7hpSVLpoK7yo1jFXIsxhAq7zbgEr+QDQ N1XB/lxncUz9IBkh/9qiP+XDz7aEhnI0uUXuv9bGgLmMm7R1TlYXC8Z6GqEV2TZ0Clk+ U8pw== Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.129] (71-86-45-70.static.stls.mo.charter.com. [71.86.45.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qj6sm1245431igc.1.2015.01.03.10.52.32 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:52:32 -0600 References: To: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I took a similar class at my local community college about 10 years ago. We didn't do a class project, but I was only auditing the class and skipped the TIg section at the end and did my own project instead. This was the instructor's recommendation, figuring I was unlikely to be buying my own TIg welder. That may have been a mistake, since Tig prices have since come down, but with his help I made a custom tow bar for my Sunbeam Alpine. That is a nice thing to have, but with hindsight I might have been better off using the time to practice sheet metal welding. The class focused 100% on work with thicker steel and we never worked with sheet metal. Working on it with the instructor probably would have been a good idea. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. > > The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better > fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 11:50:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F0A2580851 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:50:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FA3258009C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:50:02 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1420311252; bh=F8DndMXJ+18gk6IAJvkpredSKwJ+YSdyVGUGIBHtHz8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=zOvBn3Nsmuw89txt2k1Otc2jwlmT612Dw4jXniTUF7+uJTmlRbmMhqKpoFP8FtAOzPhB9NY6l/mqpo9t+H/U4iUeV37kHVyhc8w6RUiJcCNiDmJx5th+4AODnFy+w+tJey6Xo1hl22UUZHqj6n28Rut6vqCLZ5nFoIujKZFiv6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=xoVKBQUlOVxpiqirL6Mv4NUE2kRtXDoQSxTUf8qXu/ePCSmTJcrdkeW8qct7QIHf0gi8YsAnBGtYH2SQDZ8TithEzr+eEh7SlUeli4Ac5cghPnjpvDHxBt0eeHQnw948S8c8v9OBowO3H9cEP+/hk9jHpJNWRULQdj8OiaXoKIQ=; Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2015 18:54:12 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2015 18:54:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2015 18:54:12 -0000 iJM_r2fd6xPBIar3mMHBfDGbsO9kL6ClRy10w04eXNNo_ADKuYfm2XgHvrDD RIX0J_kcr2.0GbSbkD7p1nuJ.cvHnjFxSyyl8h9oMnbV4OKqlY91e_segHLJ 4ZToBBopGZMT6JVNwhjMPb_8hgfYhIJqosZc4m2cjvqQLk54.yRKyD5Jjfqu zoyCMPt1BYY5vB9x3A6WXWvdpCwMtFJfN1DNWzm26izD.9gCSOWltZsGdtJH mj2o2MDEhbbGtdh4VQ5K4mwlgC5Jzg44IsI5VzySPPWlcHwS6nSj62wC.vrh 2HKXcKzYGYWcxD6Ev1lffMqCSRLECiawVcbxdBT.LZKmcPITQlYWw5BA2xHb jqm5qVLDQJvXtwiQvPiXhGI8Im7OqFMBT2n1emcqDPx64r19F8toYFWOXnLb SwdSw6Inaqmh6XkxY3bvokS2kiR3WPhkPVbrn1.83GP5UFUFEkRZUW5b7Rjm BCMWXPZ1ZEgHYZTeE14AJi_dzpOybXV61_FTDXnUXpXVQceQmKJ7Xs9Etj5Z 63BJyk4J2JsVb2SMNYIB0RpjjS0EqCY3Axz40 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 12:54:35 -0600 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Make a small patio table using square or rectangular tubing for the legs, and angle for the perimeter of the top. Cut a piece of hardiboard for the top, and then you and your wife/friend/daughter can make a mosaic tile top for it. Don't forget to cut and weld small pieces to fill in the bottom ends of the legs, so they don't sink into the dirt or dig into the deck. Grind all the welds very smooth. Spray paint it with the cool textured or hammered Rustoleum, or something else I like is bed liner paint. This is good a good practice project, as it requires you to figure out how to use the right angle magnet or clamp, how to design the way the legs and angle meet, and how to weld tube. Every patio or porch needs a plant stand or small table, and best of all, it makes this new activity look like it might add to the household. And the womens luv mosaic crafting... I have made a bunch of these, sold a few, and have morphed them into end tables using stainless, as well as stand up planters so my mother doesn't have to bend down to plant her flowers. I have even given them as crafting gifts, with the thinset, grout, and table as a kit, leaving the recipient to design and buy the mosaic tile art. One friend ended up using broken porcelain like old plates that she got from the Goodwill to make a really beautiful ocean scene with sand, blue waves, and clouds in the sky. My local community college welding class started with oxy/acetylene, then went to stick. The second semester was where we got to MIG and TIG. I would have preferred to have completely skipped the stick welding, as I have no interest there, but I have since purchased a MIG and two TIG welders. Good luck!!! On 1/3/2015 11:57 AM, Patton Dickson wrote: > I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. > > The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better > fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 12:33:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7462E2580382 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s19.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB636258009A for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W38 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:37:43 -0800 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 13:37:42 -0600 References: FILETIME=[BE216A30:01D0278C] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Make a cart for the welder you want to buy. Or you could do something like this guys stuff: http://www.recycleart.ch/index.php?st&idMehrueber=0 Have fun! > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:57:46 -0600 > From: 57healey@gmail.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions > > I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. > > The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better > fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 17:48:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A477258467F for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 17:48:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A822725807DD for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 17:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 10so16511767lbg.1 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JSxeK+A5W+o+b3bfqlaAfv0OG46SKAq0C8tAC3SCC7Y=; b=PV2ku+biQSVMdSr+YZzUMF5yQfP3k/FOC4ZPC1YjbjET6o2KQahrHSgd5IkF8AsXDA PPX1rH8iYcMRd6hFbFGcPEHFj3Q6TfoxWt83Ibpl8ODRzpgbulXx2QvOnmEdmnN96LJM RElpw/1UaGxKHN84M3hY1XyKIirzepjnAxmS8O8jEMBwipRHY62DFNh6bFAbcXCD6GLr 2G6S8RCo789K7qV46X+jZ1zvYNPLHRJEeiJmEH7x3TlDjrKK7YAXOYqm/YsVgQpkFayn sFm4vA5tYDZgEmCMUv7OXNZzNJmOiQOShbTNVMiBsYkGfeqN5eKnzzp6r/1jENm6hInX SzpQ== mn9mr69956165lbb.80.1420332760411; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.162.131 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:52:40 -0500 From: Mark Andy To: "Tim ." Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, Yeah, welding cart or table would be my suggestion as a nice first project. Depends on if you have or are getting a welder for home. Mark On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Tim . wrote: > Make a cart for the welder you want to buy. > > Or you could do something like this guys stuff: > > http://www.recycleart.ch/index.php?st&idMehrueber=0 > > Have fun! > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 11:57:46 -0600 > > From: 57healey@gmail.com > > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions > > > > I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. > > > > The only thing I have planned right now is a fuel pump bracket to better > > fit the aftermarket pump in my Healey. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 19:03:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6F0258444C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:03:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B54258009C for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:03:05 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=y5aTEnT7Rwtlfp8fEmcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:55023] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id CB/A1-13266-250A8A45; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:07:14 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Patton Dickson" <57healey@gmail.com>, "Shop-Talk" References: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:06:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >I am finally signed up for a welding class at a local Community College. > Any suggestions as to projects I should try. What are your needs for the future? Most of the students are likely to be hoping for employment whereas as a hobbyist your needs may be different. As others have stated, they tend to use 1/8" - 1/4" thick steel in these classes. If you're wanting to learn to weld auto body steel then you may need to speak up and perhaps bring some sample pieces for instruction/practice. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 17:01:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE68258059C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:01:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s1.hotmail.com [65.55.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553972580054 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU402-EAS7 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:01:06 -0800 From: marty To: =?utf-8?Q?shop-talk_list?= Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 23:48:11 +0000 FILETIME=[B3F47D10:01D0287A] Subject: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Home_Security?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net With all this new fangled modern technology I figure there has to be something out there that can be self installed in the house and shop that if I get broken into or there is a fire it will notify me via my cell phone and I could then log in and look at things through a camera to see what's going on. That's something that would notify me automatically, not going through a service paying a monthly fee. What you think? Is it there yet? Marty _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 17:19:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6116325857D9 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:19:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D382580053 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:18:59 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=M4oKkwzVNGgTLUiFdXd62D5jHeJVflNnAaV4PWrV2y9QbSQlbaJtIBOQWZtSduSA; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.12.43] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7vRs-0002cl-Ta; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:23:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:23:02 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: marty , shop-talk list References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Home Security Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Marty - I was looking at http://simplisafe.com/ as an inexpensive option. In your case, it doesn't have a camera option available, so you would need two systems if you want video recording as well. See more at http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-howard/homes-real-estate/buying-diy-alarm-system-will-save-you-money/njcS9/ and be sure to see the comments as well. One of the commenters said "I bought a DLink camera for a little under $30. It sends alerts to my phone whenever motion is detected in my house. and I can then look at the video going on in my house and capture pictures. All this for just the cost of the camera." Maybe someone here has experience with this type of thing. Brian On 1/4/2015 3:48 PM, marty wrote: > With all this new fangled modern technology I figure there has to be something out there that can be self installed in the house and shop that if I get broken into or there is a fire it will notify me via my cell phone and I could then log in and look at things through a camera to see what's going on. That's something that would notify me automatically, not going through a service paying a monthly fee. What you think? Is it there yet? > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 17:20:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BE225857EA for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:20:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7637225802FF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id f15so19045105lbj.13 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:24:13 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IEFJ/4w1OMIXgfiuyJ1JG3rUqt6yZOa+AAkLE6mvr20=; b=ehhEiKipg0pD45UQv/+4ggvaq3pNQmT1MGmQ+Ltkf7BjHNp+t365XagSc+Uxqn8nzs 1e0/h62uacNHJ9nZCfqh7dFK5/9sWu8a5bCqutCdg5o2BwawJNK7ZLp4eB2YDKXx4UQM 7++rSlLN39oE96LOjvGReuWpAqZj/VAcgwo+aa56SRLq3cP4nQGmn/CBmAU4bL8ieJC0 LgqbxDwkuQUR7Ify/0BpZTiB6nxX/VgX+9JWECEpB0D2d6s9rALDfob+L3z/u/C8Qf/c oqOQZksioc5TTU9MDptQVzIbhAk+uInKHBtuWW6BJUKpngZNDhoZjEr5cZlSP1SQbmI2 dN+A== p5mr88871005lba.97.1420417453811; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.63.204 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:24:13 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:24:13 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: marty Cc: shop-talk list Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Home Security Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Look into SimpliCam or DropCam. I think they do what you're hoping for. You only pay the monthly fee if you also want cloud storage of the video. With SimpliCam, you get facial detection with the subscription (Which means it will tell you the difference between something and someone moving). I don't have anything yet, but I am considering both of these options for our home and both garages. -Paul On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:48 PM, marty wrote: > With all this new fangled modern technology I figure there has to be > something out there that can be self installed in the house and shop that > if I get broken into or there is a fire it will notify me via my cell phone > and I could then log in and look at things through a camera to see what's > going on. That's something that would notify me automatically, not going > through a service paying a monthly fee. What you think? Is it there yet? > > > Marty _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 19:26:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA9E258094E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:26:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com (mail-ig0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2167258031E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r2so1838435igi.0 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:30:52 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6T7+d2bAygV8LrJyOyPD6wUyuVuua2kWNvK6LhkCTCU=; b=R/dSEqEKVLAbhbPDt56OVf2SP9BwSiCTdnUwf9sCRJ886RPz3mRKHAbKrYXONPQO7A vH5awC1jZCZSimvxCK3ou13RvNWBQcwVMEMF1ceRKOq3SEc66QZBatBzKwTjnsrrkaQS d4OfhqAKR59D8V0FqnLSKAkE1h/LF60QJ121u0hqBLlJOe6+XmNJeTej5ZlQ5F0wJ3Kt wQtdAT59V9owk0v7JZFQdkFaKkdxhi608HXOfa159K/sVwsjslK+7S5EgVQqrTB/TiwS CmVOUv19vG8uC28vXXaAFOUHEea5R6kkXLia0wTqbz0+Ij+M4ngdAZxL70i4ppyDbW0H uSxw== g19mr72649024ioe.19.1420425052391; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.1.139 (229.sub-70-198-128.myvzw.com. [70.198.128.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x6sm2991516igl.10.2015.01.04.18.30.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:30:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:58:45 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 20:11:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950D525804CB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:11:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57AF2580092 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id bj1so27760709pad.37 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1CsNrpahndg7gg/ogo3aoWOuBn/Qeeyj8QBOsEzt3lM=; b=Kf1zmDZyxYFBXL4MyqOmX0UM3BBHNlbne1Q1K+FsusgSNvCF5912XptNw6hbgG+mWY LbH6aQlvi1laZ9KmMmkovG8cDA5vzNIqp9p2MAGt8b4QrWofkGMdcO8UQikSv3cVafzs UnM+ofnhG/GIVUI0ZD69JgXLKLxD0JULuXXkylRCJPkSk6QVKKjduZBrOADNoPSOL1BK SG2RGsICp5oh/AB2PpuNDITpAISNa8vT7azmCT0252YsT1WLTGAC6L7VJfaLlSoQZjuU 4lURqEZVbO9KA3HAjLG7beoeIP00M1J8y42xOc3vO87XMXY7LGWVdBPug0qocJhDJhz9 5DBg== ze6mr94596743pac.99.1420427734073; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:15:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 22:15:34 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to handle my Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after all!) I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold trays but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish the same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a specific distance apart. Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you like them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the platforms this coming weekend. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 06:07:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0012125857D0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:07:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E572580B7C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([71.175.39.137]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NHP00IE3GKX1010@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 07:10:10 -0600 (CST) a=WGuWJV38P5wL6Dvgjdyafg==:117 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=YNv0rlydsVwA:10 a=tbHQBAP5AAAA:20 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sPJ4tEEThvOcTFGnbpQA:9 a=sVsT6-pH5VRcH2xj:21 a=bymbuLRb8VtPnZAR:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: Philip Nase Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 08:10:13 -0500 References: To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brad I have plastic trays I use with my lift they're lightweight and work well. They won't absorb oil or coolant and can be cleaned. Phil Nase Applebachsville, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to handle my > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. > > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after all!) > > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold trays > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish the > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a > specific distance apart. > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you like > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the > platforms this coming weekend. > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 06:21:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06F12585102 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:21:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366302584885 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id pv20so18249910lab.13 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:23:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c/kDJJyo9JLjtmxpUgTasGha/da85ZzicCWZQrZ17fA=; b=z9Ci9BifV0AtW+HoDMcjBoCaEGLIjKlaI7LFQGBLndJR/z4TUz8vTKm6ANjsp/5Xuo F4YnzO40GnUBgRLe+2xyisn/OIAxb9rArR0xIl9CCXi4CYUUgAPeJiN7ThvlaBz7HgII 8rNuwsIEcKuR9zQ5UNWC9hktu3UI42YirpvwRAn+kYfLQb4zRb7OKAFP9jEzHUwiKWtQ w8zvaZMqunXN0qzujlD94yjHSn3UZz8cXXddNELcjQL4AR8qWObfN+lHxyam4BjbJ+Gc 8vsiVfxbMqumusdBlUMXhd1ZNBFGLGJUy7PVwTeThFoj+yXa1zrI51O2LfLcTZA493RV wtug== q6mr88884007lal.48.1420464206126; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.63.204 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 05:23:26 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:23:26 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Brad, On Saturday, we reassembled my four post hydraulic over cable lift (Direct Lift Pro Park) because we moved to a new home. Mine came with the trays, but since none of the cars I've ever stored up there have leaked anything I've never even taken them out of the box they came in. I think that the important thing about the trays is that they are "trays" and not "sheets." So if something does leak onto them they would collect it instead of it just finding an edge and dripping down somewhere else. If all you want are leak trays and you are building them, then what I'd do is make them wide enough to span your lift platforms. Then you don't need any sort of rail. Your car tires likely don't end up at the inside edges of the platforms, so you should still be able to park on them. I wouldn't build them out of plywood or anything else absorbent and I'd make sure that they sit on the platforms or rails, but then drop down in-between to form a place to collect fluids. Good Luck, -Paul On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to handle my > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. > > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after all!) > > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold trays > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish the > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a > specific distance apart. > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you like > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the > platforms this coming weekend. > > Thanks, > > Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 06:57:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70906258520A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:57:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A35D25804AB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id et14so28895450pad.3 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:01:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zHEaRrpA75491bNKgxkz4RD4x6NTghl0uqmmAHWKeko=; b=IL868hGRaiwnaFqkk7hXd2oHPGP257LI+y0LBFGpG9oFrVtBaMsm0WO/iwC6GlxlEm 9aw4H97A6JmSj3Rb3nW9sgpuX1IUu5hGUt+3rD8LCMSIX3fPgRFCLnXs0+Xc3mBQxANu 8hlKudth20yT8cJmU7ZTVsQpXn+aLALsoibc+RiA6Jp7OoXLcSIMaUTFWEVyufKHkX/6 opPw6NFMnojTyTxN9+LYv9iOgxrxm44Rn5rOloiLqShT92BJtr4+H+zVxoZNKf4Z6qZA N7Acb31wa+6GYjN9vmLRTG8rFD+G2f00s7ITBHGHW7hG/UKvGayVTsTWo6A60JtTjivs ZmEQ== ko10mr147786238pdb.48.1420466469545; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:01:09 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:01:09 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Philip Nase Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I hadn't realized those trays are plastic and not sheet metal. How wide are the trays, and do you often have to adjust the width of the platforms for different vehicles? Thanks! Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Philip Nase wrote: > Brad > I have plastic trays I use with my lift they're lightweight and work well. > They won't absorb oil or coolant and can be cleaned. > > Phil Nase > Applebachsville, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > > > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & > > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This > > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to handle > my > > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. > > > > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between > > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one > > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after > all!) > > > > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold trays > > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could > > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish the > > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a > > specific distance apart. > > > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you > like > > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the > > platforms this coming weekend. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:07:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C47C2585886 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:07:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0B72584876 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ey11so28621751pad.24 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7qWOu9zram90cF89diqoF09I8qqLgBajePa2BaE1i2c=; b=oJdvqxuHUWP8qxarpSgq1ZM/EJrxE9FYZOTSWbFsY2xSXMM+vEL/e0V/X8KMNJJMCB Eq9fAc+lqtzl8ZMWmmw/GEyEPET3o8Mbv8whXdKhAfIXfSyxjZAC8hKhDhVOhxLqxE9M 70rpi0VPTvKfLRGDYjfQwArBSUcjotPpHo1C4ax99bEpCZTOJ0GI8As5dmhy2WELE3s9 9pukVlorO+ZlWjJ9R6mafn7ib04tfwJhDEgWCyQ5cjzcgSMPS3ka0NmtBB8unuDA6bQk UjoakfLCiLCN+V6Fvzbj7eEf9SRsCQTJkQlhtnCJnMCch2ngOOv6Y4mYK8RP8ERvzdFG 0ohQ== wh6mr34952145pbc.18.1420466716668; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:05:16 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, You've got a good point about not using something flat and/or absorbent. I'd rather not add the attachment rails if I don't have to so laying them on top of the platforms is probably my best option. I think I'll check with an HVAC company and see if they can make some trays for me out sheet metal. Having them add the diagonal creasing would probably be a good idea as well in helping fluids to puddle in the middle. Thanks! Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > Hi Brad, > > On Saturday, we reassembled my four post hydraulic over cable lift (Direct > Lift Pro Park) because we moved to a new home. Mine came with the trays, > but since none of the cars I've ever stored up there have leaked anything > I've never even taken them out of the box they came in. I think that the > important thing about the trays is that they are "trays" and not "sheets." > So if something does leak onto them they would collect it instead of it > just finding an edge and dripping down somewhere else. > > If all you want are leak trays and you are building them, then what I'd do > is make them wide enough to span your lift platforms. Then you don't need > any sort of rail. Your car tires likely don't end up at the inside edges > of the platforms, so you should still be able to park on them. I wouldn't > build them out of plywood or anything else absorbent and I'd make sure that > they sit on the platforms or rails, but then drop down in-between to form a > place to collect fluids. > > Good Luck, > > -Paul > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & >> chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This >> particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to handle >> my >> Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. >> >> Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between >> the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one >> above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after all!) >> >> I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold trays >> but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could >> probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish the >> same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a >> specific distance apart. >> >> Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you >> like >> them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the >> platforms this coming weekend. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:27:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C082585B08 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:27:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D6E382584876 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1420468289; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=WF+gQricqQzrZU8zwr4JQRKEqC3rMypZBjuPkpqHrQ0U93Jbsm/fokTw2VByUP60o 0RioNJ/Un3l5Oxj6FdksIuF3cSXE4LExgkmVbHY336gsBUTV5LW8/RV3ZgIMKEoLOj VfrmSMw5SFeaPwipoqTENzbbSX9RUfLRR0jRh8Cw= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLLXJCAAH2GMJ2 for (sender ); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:30:46 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:30:46 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I do like the idea of having at least one heavy duty sliding cross member that I use with my 4 poster that I can put a bottle jack on and lift the car with on the lift.On the other hand, I don't have full spanning trays. This discussion has me thinking. The idea of flat actually appeals to me - I am not anticipating gallons of oil or coolant or fuel to come raining down. I am looking to optimize light weight and ease of storage. Flat "slats" maybe 2-3 feet wide that would span the platforms up to as wide as I use them (for truck) that would stack on top of each other when not deployed is what I am considering. I have rolls of oil absorbant matting that I would lay on top of the slats to prevent dripping down as that is all I would normally be battling is drips. I might have to have a couple of shorter ones that would fit between tiers on the skinniest car. Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Brad Kahler To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:05:16 -0500 Paul, You've got a good point about not using something flat and/or absorbent. ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54aaa04077bf3204062best04vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:38:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505642585AD3 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:38:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A98825804AB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id r10so28412917pdi.9 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:41:42 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=D7KmRz8PZrnvfmzhamJHOSWQKN0gBFlluxibw3U7NzI=; b=UyAzKEm0JSAZxv2zSwqrdjmnulb5EJazvDT1oEkkdP9x6Jr94Lr1wA1KveSfjSXYQ/ TRxngJLY6A55GNcLA8TeU/DieYlltpfaD123S6WmnS+dtvaLqYFlIWw85TX3tLe9pqNu YCfCUeNrNS0Zjhx0SZHzAhDRwQAhsrd52f4kiYxour9vT425Q5fP0UAH/NruygmalUte bC8olxHHFBJCq3C/mJNNoGyb9la7MDCwq5vSDpZu4xOWbfQarfCYa4+uY9oIcPKmOWCg rMOWwUTk8zaRmcjA2YnNW7FFPLSe4nCa1o2CIyj/yAguv1SuFr0SY4Dc/dRd7fTgF4ox MHuQ== rt7mr145248023pac.12.1420468902131; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:41:42 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:41:42 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, platforms are the long beams that you park the vehicle on. I hadn't realized the platforms were not adjustable on the newer lifts. My platforms can be adjusted out to almost 9' outside edge to outside edge and can also be moved together to where they touch each other. That's why I've struggled with what to do about leakage trays. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > I assume by "platforms," you're referring to are the long beams that you > are actually driving on? If so, those are a fixed width on every four post > lift I've ever seen. If I put something as wide as my heavy-duty pickup on > the lift the tires are closer to the outside and if I put a narrow roadster > on they're closer to the inside, but not really by much. > > -Paul > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I hadn't realized those trays are plastic and not sheet metal. How wide >> are the trays, and do you often have to adjust the width of the platforms >> for different vehicles? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Philip Nase wrote: >> >> > Brad >> > I have plastic trays I use with my lift they're lightweight and work >> well. >> > They won't absorb oil or coolant and can be cleaned. >> > >> > Phil Nase >> > Applebachsville, PA >> > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ >> > >> > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> > > >> > > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder >> & >> > > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. >> This >> > > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to >> handle >> > my >> > > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. >> > > >> > > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit >> between >> > > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing >> one >> > > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after >> > all!) >> > > >> > > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold >> trays >> > > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I >> could >> > > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish >> the >> > > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a >> > > specific distance apart. >> > > >> > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you >> > like >> > > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting >> the >> > > platforms this coming weekend. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Brad >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:38:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9E72585B68 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:38:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22442585B39 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id eu11so28620869pac.25 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:42:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QMCrM2E6JlWXK85ELrtWdNzozecnfU1s2PSPPwfY+oY=; b=wZka02OUj+mvHXjOy17u3+QMkm5vefXSjGcF7GzyvROfaMQzjfokAs4D632FJHh9B3 NKjD7yWpr/5fJ7Ac99f6B85nPGmJwiT5Dx2Fu2AeCJoKyar1+KyyEOfpEcrrloc2zzWv txF4nijs5ulJqK/aQE0RXIVXjJ8wEERuyHqjHEr+R29lKlElRCS8I7EkvsqqrvwbogV1 VCVty+YTYBDoTND8bCk/3kzBnmrrF+YMQSq+kXUU0CbsRDWWUDAi1lemBS7fJ9FmwXwW h7FdZr4jiuw0bBGH2JSG9gMKgq3YuUA+vLWsoVMfox5iK62ZxFp3YSfDPnGWbuCaY13D ZcRg== ro10mr141879366pab.67.1420468942623; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:42:22 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:42:22 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's thinking outside the box :) I don't know why I was thinking full coverage under a vehicle, it only needs to be in the area where the drips come from. Of course on a Triumph that's leaking and being driven the leaks could be coming from anywhere! I'll have to keep my eyes open for alternatives to plastic or metal trays. Thanks, Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > I assume by "platforms," you're referring to are the long beams that you > are actually driving on? If so, those are a fixed width on every four post > lift I've ever seen. If I put something as wide as my heavy-duty pickup on > the lift the tires are closer to the outside and if I put a narrow roadster > on they're closer to the inside, but not really by much. > > -Paul > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I hadn't realized those trays are plastic and not sheet metal. How wide >> are the trays, and do you often have to adjust the width of the platforms >> for different vehicles? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Philip Nase wrote: >> >> > Brad >> > I have plastic trays I use with my lift they're lightweight and work >> well. >> > They won't absorb oil or coolant and can be cleaned. >> > >> > Phil Nase >> > Applebachsville, PA >> > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ >> > >> > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> > > >> > > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder >> & >> > > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. >> This >> > > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to >> handle >> > my >> > > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. >> > > >> > > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit >> between >> > > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing >> one >> > > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after >> > all!) >> > > >> > > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold >> trays >> > > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I >> could >> > > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish >> the >> > > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a >> > > specific distance apart. >> > > >> > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you >> > like >> > > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting >> the >> > > platforms this coming weekend. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Brad >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:53:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A3C2585B6A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:53:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D81C258523E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id kx10so28947253pab.30 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nKQFMNMHvig3DzpcjSmMjT7XJTjZ0psEVcHKnM2sGSQ=; b=iqmJNIAMnfIHTY0n1T0c7nLhgNLVZv4MKRk/METtQ/wbKdMZwmCbpMWzsnNw3Qki8t zWr1n6yIsKcoqIKEFVVWTH8LJwss94yevWN9/1KL5g1HHX6Pk2qucpXvL28dzDIo3QC8 0J5LRyFEbs8/mzDlv/iz7NiJNrxFSf67g9d1JKbNrBOrTnviJUmLwQYmQP8yzY/+0tA2 cvglfLEWPH71O6eQeFKXy8HPnFDmV8IXPXdbh962BnDkO9+16Jxsz4IJ1Ev3OVc/tpSo r4H3l2iOi+4IR79HYUY2B3Grcf+PV7P2mKthKvZu0V4lERhXim6vp130dDLQUV5TUNaz k4xg== wf3mr149640723pbc.22.1420469312160; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) References: <20150105.093046.26044.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:48:32 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, I fabricated a heavy duty angle iron platform that sits down between the platforms that allows me to use a bottle jack. I made it mainly for use on my Triumphs so it's too narrow to use with my F250. 90% of my work is on the Triumphs so I felt that was good enough for me. I also have a couple of long 2"x4" channels that I use to span the platforms that I use to set jack stands on. They work well for when I need to remove a wheel to work on suspension or brakes. Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Matt wrote: > I do like the idea of having at least one heavy duty sliding cross member > that I use with my 4 poster that I can put a bottle jack on and lift the > car > with on the lift.On the other hand, I don't have full spanning trays. This > discussion has me thinking. The idea of flat actually appeals to me - I am > not anticipating gallons of oil or coolant or fuel to come raining down. > I am > looking to optimize light weight and ease of storage. Flat "slats" maybe > 2-3 > feet wide that would span the platforms up to as wide as I use them (for > truck) that would stack on top of each other when not deployed is what I am > considering. I have rolls of oil absorbant matting that I would lay on > top of > the slats to prevent dripping down as that is all I would normally be > battling > is drips. I might have to have a couple of shorter ones that would fit > between tiers on the skinniest car. Matt > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Brad Kahler > To: Paul Parkanzky > Cc: Shop Talk List > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:05:16 -0500 > > Paul, > > You've got a good point about not using something flat and/or absorbent. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat > This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54aaa04077bf3204062best04vuc > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 07:53:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264D52585B9E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:53:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9AD25804AB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id fp1so28422891pdb.10 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=os7Ue8fPJMhnCbb4xd5cdowWurkwssP/JxvnccM70vQ=; b=qLVuQ8Ol7Xje/OEWpYEyjx+SogjGwh9usLDmIj+A5NB1R49lRKDNwJZYxmt58DzmWl 5ihTLfHmrInesxUSzPbIhqeuGh5CQ5ajVaJlZzEc5nAOkV/DsLq2HOYF8LqF0M7sDSwz 51uNMSgdRmSabfkIzI6w60kcnx7n0L4cGyEQ05ZFGzircGm9Q1Hoy0B0hrnr7wb/Mc68 QTOBP4yd9Bh3TbDaqPc7XOCDa+KKZJ9rSBknw732Uh+o1EO163bOR313zoLloBBfcJKQ T0HnNIMPoMKA5eck0cFKKO6EgQx0SvVZdRP8KKHpKWnSZEJ9+pwUYbPot1+QlEu4XbiJ SXDQ== c17mr146011053pbu.107.1420469628723; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) References: <0D49D695-295F-4257-AB69-FF3732095295@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:53:48 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Phil, It sounds like your platforms are in a fixed position. Since my platforms go from 0" gap to about 80" gap it looks like something that lays on top of the platforms would be my best approach. My TR4 is a real leaker right now so finding a reasonable solution is high on my list! Thanks, Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Philip Nase wrote: > Hey Brad, > I have an AC Lift. The inner sides have a lip that the trays hang upon. > I'll have to measure them to be sure of the width, close to 3 feet I would > estimate. I have a Bugeye Sprite on the lift usually and it's a leaker. The > Sprite just fits with a few inches to spare on the inner sides of the lift. > > There is also a heavy steel pan on mine that allows a jack to be used. I > have 3 plastic pans that I can easily position under the diff, trans and > engine where I need them. > > Phil Nase > Applebachsville, PA > http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ > > On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > I hadn't realized those trays are plastic and not sheet metal. How wide > are the trays, and do you often have to adjust the width of the platforms > for different vehicles? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Philip Nase wrote: > >> Brad >> I have plastic trays I use with my lift they're lightweight and work >> well. They won't absorb oil or coolant and can be cleaned. >> >> Phil Nase >> Applebachsville, PA >> http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ >> >> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: >> > >> > I'm in the process of resurrecting my older 4-post hydraulic cylinder & >> > chain car lift that I sadley let sit outside for a number of years. This >> > particular lift is rated at 9,000 lbs and is adjustible enough to >> handle my >> > Triumph TRs and F250 Super Duty diesel pickup. >> > >> > Most of the modern lifts always seem to come with trays that fit between >> > the platforms so you can park a vehicle under the lift while storing one >> > above without leaking oil on the car below (these are Triumphs after >> all!) >> > >> > I've been debating adding attachment rails to the platforms to hold >> trays >> > but I just don't know if its worth the trouble and expense when I could >> > probably just as easily use 1/4" or so plywood sections to accomplish >> the >> > same thing. Also these trays would only work when the platforms are a >> > specific distance apart. >> > >> > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you >> like >> > them? I need to make a decision soon as I will probably be painting the >> > platforms this coming weekend. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Brad >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 08:08:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764025852C0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:08:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA44258018A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id et14so28881895pad.31 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 07:11:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eISSEbKgbhHQtMImO6Yp1LYZypctpOCawoBK9oayb3U=; b=CYhfl9brwjftRuHHk+vS4HY4qi1QeeiKr0Ggyd+EqtEF4N6VPiGRIbzfd43i2CwNid h8jTg3Q/ivhsEQjzHcruCrimeYwxcGtw9qAlugDIKAQ3eDjWixBFecP1/6wuBP3PzQyh zSiiILXgj4jIFoLBD0dPzxq7II57RXHgGlc6EMGcSZv8JexNB2AHUdYy08I18j3abgPY hPiiLMlIOAV/yRHCGo2O8HyPW92XAz4iLD/WXjpOvnnhBPgCGTRA6cue8wHDJA3gbb+W rxgGiRzwiEU+OVm6dlLQB5oVpltSjCFwTu8eBZ5ua9u0DxVaPhW61VYlC+1roqjd5ieJ 3FYA== cj10mr25085525pad.65.1420470711573; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 07:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:11:51 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 10:11:51 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, I hope my TR4 doesn't leak that bad that I need a drain hose! Not sure about this sort of approach but that brings to mind the thought of adding rails to my platforms and then using sheet plastic (4 or 6 mil) and suspending it between the platforms. That means the "tray' would be disposable and I could then cut the plastic based on where my platforms are. Something to think about.... On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:48 AM, John Innis wrote: > Maybe not the _best_ solution, but the facilities guys where I work have > an interesting solution to this type of issue. They have heavy duty tarps > that they stretch over areas where the roof leaks. Then they attach a hose > the the center of the tarp and run it to a floor drain (if one is handy) or > a bucket. It is definitely adjustable and easy to store, but maybe not the > best for long term usage. > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> That's thinking outside the box :) >> >> I don't know why I was thinking full coverage under a vehicle, it only >> needs to be in the area where the drips come from. Of course on a Triumph >> that's leaking and being driven the leaks could be coming from anywhere! >> >> I'll have to keep my eyes open for alternatives to plastic or metal trays. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 12:12:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E8D2584861 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:12:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A6E2580147 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so62244568obc.1 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:09:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QKYFY8rLdDs8BT6QJTzcJcXND/5ebI6+/nIukQDdc2A=; b=bVFIJYAsmkRYT29R/NGiZkT/BG3j7MZZsAFqYINx8b4eRdCalAH9lXQ0qUZNt1DoPr frQtc2cXOZuC98oYK7BT559RCrubIGBcLLeo0SIWow8zgEkIhWYqQYObZyDeVN7OSH1k uRZ+r/NKTAsDHxQqpbHblQ/LNRa69JpRh1SnfrGY5d3Dk64Xvok0bJO4D8444C+6TCYO AdiJrOZREdiEyzeWoy5SuH6uJPLSzGXSxoiE5Yi1IZLy/FT8KIzbokkRMbg1049m631V K0Bd1YYN1L7Dg8IPWDT5zgH98YYOKqnsFoGddRrD8xzPmGt9hWobwvPpLDfO6uCd383g 1XCQ== oo11mr580272oeb.15.1420484966347; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.93.193 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:09:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:09:26 -0600 From: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all of the suggestions, I am going from a zero base and will be sure to let the instructor know that I need to learn sheet metal, but I am interested in some of the larger steel projects. I will make the bracket, and probably a cart as well. I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. Here is the class description An overview of the basic welding processes, including oxy-fuel welding and cutting, shielded metal arc (SMAW), gas metal arc (GMAW), and gas tungsten arc welding (GTAW). Set up machines and complete welds and cutting operations involving SMAW, OXY-FUEL, GMAW, GTAW, and resistance spot welding; practice basic shop safety; identify types of electrodes used in welding processes; define various welding and cutting standards; and demonstrate proper joint preparation techniques. I'm really looking froward to this Patton -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 12:40:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E232584A37 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:40:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4113025800B5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so3997912wiv.11 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yCxsYaXTHtyULotDbkZENGz7O9D2LXNhJbhBr5yQiRo=; b=RXszUQQ8Fu8DpCQc4olBPX7y/iXghWf15WMjvI+je56vfp6ZSNoAJNGuNNKHq2yc13 E28pX9nCu1b7wTOHNbNl6odhaHPfYTaT7TAbbHmAtxXtQ77gSParrfRWQj52DDfNAe4x Rg6hMzH4CaGglI/ZqwLKHM+77sNdiNWBXunPH3FCTah6aAgv5jvdUybkxXRLi86Uf4Ag DAgmWtPker5fhqypNHERMfJWAwXsVFU8GabBMoMqyOLC5IF9hzTzCEKxp8twviS7hCWm +rdfVrOdRFr4OfsMGkF+odyCwJqoXJGFCa7/sBF36pwv9e0Gv+qy7JwdlcQ4gZJ4euZV /sJw== x12mr29261792wiv.40.1420486841773; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.78.142 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:40:41 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you can get it to use gas, that machine is probably fine for auto sheet metal, and stuff up to 3/16" or so. Doug On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, > will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 12:41:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8C52584A5A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:41:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3468325800B5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:39:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id uz6so62474626obc.2 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:44:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1JWAGuAhBGkeSCH/r/akUN8Cmf0/CtYp/dfrqdKgR+E=; b=RFrCD3i1IPtfPO1v0351IVwZkd7PPMFkSMdzF0Z+aX19dnUGwQvhnv4K82MfMr7g9D sbJuNmBTadgOan6sQxbA6++09d2vWendRFzQB/3ewTeLvh+4Bk6aHTxCL5YGJFnx4/8m aQK/+qltyVZ3CbLdbEvdSAaeIzuqzzISsP+O31ylFSX7AxlmzPub5rLunlDikrnvD8yn /6B+dFwZQEDv9V2WSPa6SWTDyGBz421bm82NjBzBNBm7lIVTNGWTG2/fpCtYgjQJFe16 Sp2gJXPJQTK2EF3ftx7WFL/oIcaT2aN/M2ZOZvGDUSo50LBsvwNPGoLtDqvz7HZrX0lV 8ZTw== Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.93.193 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:44:08 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:44:08 -0600 From: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> To: Doug Braun Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It can use gas, I just need ot buy the conversion kit http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lincoln-Electric-Weld-Pak-100-Wire-Feed-Welder-MIG-Conversion-Kit-K610-1/100341065 This guys has a video telling the aftermarket parts to buy to put the kit together at nearly half the price https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjPLTpl04j0 On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > If you can get it to use gas, that machine is probably fine for auto sheet > metal, > and stuff up to 3/16" or so. > > Doug > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, >> will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. >> > > > -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 14:28:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870952584A1A for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2B825803C7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:28:13 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:34:59 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/05/2015 16:16:08, Serialize complete at 01/05/2015 16:16:08 Subject: [Shop-talk] oil testers (lubricheck) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have any experience with this oil tester? http://www.lubricheck.com/product-lubricheck-oil-tester.html For $50, it seems priced right. Amazon has some reviews on it, but only one verified purchased review (it was good.) Anyone have one? Is it worth buying? Thanks in advance. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 17:29:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806C525850CA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:29:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s8.hotmail.com [65.55.111.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD742580A2D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU436-SMTP182 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:33:16 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: "'Patton Dickson'" <57healey@gmail.com>, "'Shop-Talk'" References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:33:09 -0800 Thread-Index: AdApHCRiZpPDZ32SQ/q9xbYFyBLuWwAK2SLQ FILETIME=[5B860BC0:01D02948] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry I am late chiming in but building a cart is a waste of time when you can buy one from Horrible Freight for about $50. The are acceptably good. Learning to weld is smart as it is a useful and barter-able skill. I am the neighborhood welder. Also, Mr. 57 Healey, this is a great skill for tasks on my 1960 TR3 and my 1980 TR8. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Patton Dickson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:09 AM To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Thanks for all of the suggestions, I am going from a zero base and will be sure to let the instructor know that I need to learn sheet metal, but I am interested in some of the larger steel projects. I will make the bracket, and probably a cart as well. I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. Here is the class description An overview of the basic welding processes, including oxy-fuel welding and cutting, shielded metal arc (SMAW), gas metal arc (GMAW), and gas tungsten arc welding (GTAW). Set up machines and complete welds and cutting operations involving SMAW, OXY-FUEL, GMAW, GTAW, and resistance spot welding; practice basic shop safety; identify types of electrodes used in welding processes; define various welding and cutting standards; and demonstrate proper joint preparation techniques. I'm really looking froward to this Patton -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 17:42:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592432585114 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:42:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [69.93.164.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33DD25844FB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C9FA8E2E53547; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:37:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com (gator4190.hostgator.com [108.167.189.15]) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5880E2E5350D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:37:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.111.216.187] (port=15473 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8I9K-0005FG-Kx for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:37:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:37:30 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I disagree...and agree. Yes, you can buy a cart for less than what you will spend on the steel and time but you will learn how to weld while building that cart. I have always from my first welder on, built a cart for it, sometimes I spent double on steel than what I could have bought at Harbor Fright, and at least on the first one the welds were better at Harbor Fright but I built it to my specs and learned a lot. mike On 1/5/2015 4:33 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > Sorry I am late chiming in but building a cart is a waste of time when you > can buy one from Horrible Freight for about $50. The are acceptably good. > > Learning to weld is smart as it is a useful and barter-able skill. I am the > neighborhood welder. > > Also, Mr. 57 Healey, this is a great skill for tasks on my 1960 TR3 and my > 1980 TR8. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Patton Dickson > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:09 AM > To: Shop-Talk > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions > > Thanks for all of the suggestions, I am going from a zero base and will be > sure to let the instructor know that I need to learn sheet metal, but I am > interested in some of the larger steel projects. I will make the bracket, > and probably a cart as well. > > I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, > will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. > > Here is the class description > > An overview of the basic welding processes, including oxy-fuel welding and > cutting, shielded metal arc (SMAW), gas metal arc (GMAW), and gas tungsten > arc welding (GTAW). Set up machines and complete welds and cutting > operations involving SMAW, OXY-FUEL, GMAW, GTAW, and resistance spot > welding; practice basic shop safety; identify types of electrodes used in > welding processes; define various welding and cutting standards; and > demonstrate proper joint preparation techniques. > > I'm really looking froward to this > Patton _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 17:57:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FDE2585116 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:57:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S38.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s38.hotmail.com [65.55.111.113]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C172580A2D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU436-SMTP96 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S38.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:58:41 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <54AB2E4A.7010208@dinospider.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:58:35 -0800 Thread-Index: AdApSkEV+vAg4o6VQyKHUQiTzJswIwAAMq/A FILETIME=[E89A59A0:01D0294B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I understand completely. -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Rambour Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:38 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions I disagree...and agree. Yes, you can buy a cart for less than what you will spend on the steel and time but you will learn how to weld while building that cart. I have always from my first welder on, built a cart for it, sometimes I spent double on steel than what I could have bought at Harbor Fright, and at least on the first one the welds were better at Harbor Fright but I built it to my specs and learned a lot. mike On 1/5/2015 4:33 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > Sorry I am late chiming in but building a cart is a waste of time when you > can buy one from Horrible Freight for about $50. The are acceptably good. > > Learning to weld is smart as it is a useful and barter-able skill. I am the > neighborhood welder. > > Also, Mr. 57 Healey, this is a great skill for tasks on my 1960 TR3 and my > 1980 TR8. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Patton Dickson > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:09 AM > To: Shop-Talk > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions > > Thanks for all of the suggestions, I am going from a zero base and will be > sure to let the instructor know that I need to learn sheet metal, but I am > interested in some of the larger steel projects. I will make the bracket, > and probably a cart as well. > > I have a Weld-Pak 100, but already know that it is too weak to do much, > will upgrade after I have a little time under my belt. > > Here is the class description > > An overview of the basic welding processes, including oxy-fuel welding and > cutting, shielded metal arc (SMAW), gas metal arc (GMAW), and gas tungsten > arc welding (GTAW). Set up machines and complete welds and cutting > operations involving SMAW, OXY-FUEL, GMAW, GTAW, and resistance spot > welding; practice basic shop safety; identify types of electrodes used in > welding processes; define various welding and cutting standards; and > demonstrate proper joint preparation techniques. > > I'm really looking froward to this > Patton _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 18:12:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FF22585109 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:12:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5D12584C56 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBB32C0084 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:16:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:16:49 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54AB2E4A.7010208@dinospider.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is just a story I am sure I've told before many times, but the experience has stuck with me. Many years ago when I was at the U of U a couple of the profs and myself enrolled in an evening auto body repair course at a local high school. First night's class was in a classroom and consisted of covering shop safety, outline of the course, blah blah blah. The old fellow who was teaching sat up there and read from notes in such a dull monotone for what seemed like hours and hours. The profs and I kind of looked at each other with a "what have we done?" look. Mercifully the lecture finally concluded, and he asked "Any questions?" My friend Gary had brought in a fender from his Model A truck project. He asked the instructor to take a look. I have never in my life seen a human being transformed in such a short time. When the "boring old fart" got his hands on that piece of metal he was a completely different person. Excited and animated, he pointed out where previous work on the metal had work hardened this area, resulting in some incipient cracks at the edge, he pointed out some warpage over here and so on. I almost expected him to provide the mileage of the truck and the original paint color codes. Never in my life will I be able to look at a piece of metal with that master's wisdom and experience. It was amazing. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 18:58:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA0325850E7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:58:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920B25845C9 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:53:28 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=lIgwZNRxHF1h93jN1pEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=RNSrd1qWzxk0_0KG:21 a=WnBLeK0us-TBBlFt:21 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp03.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:51373] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 65/E9-21596-2114BA45; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:57:39 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Shop Talk List" References: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:57:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you > like them? Since a four post lift excels at storage, it seems like drip trays are a good idea! I have a Direct Lift ProPark 9 - I bought that model because it has ramps a few inches wider than other models. This allows it to fit the narrow track of my smaller cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) and also my F250 pick-up. > My platforms can be adjusted out to almost 9' outside edge to outside edge > and can also be moved together to where they touch each other. That's why > I've struggled with what to do about leakage trays. I thought about a lift with a moveable ramp but that makes both drip trays & a jacking bridge problematic. For your lift with moveable ramps, how about a few spring tension shower curtain poles? They could be fairly easily adjusted for the varying ramp widths and could then support a few light weight drip trays. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 20:03:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B91D258509F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:03:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BCB2584F87 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:03:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id cT7g1p0054ueUHc01T7hSj; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 03:07:41 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([98.247.129.48]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id cT7g1p00M12niAi01T7gmY; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 03:07:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:07:37 -0800 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop Talk References: <54AB2E4A.7010208@dinospider.com> <54AB3781.70900@bradakis.com> s=q20140121; t=1420513661; bh=HB3vPmcZd2deNLUQdfEKxOfYWRNb80Q+gd05ZpzllcY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=eApyiNO+z3DADyzZlyGvGM/ojUe0+29E8+IzTo4fecjNiMiGN0v7GL5IBmOoGcSen K1HmvgtqeFNoTdJ7LlB00doPJQ/mSMc5sFcqGzzWk9gF3nglv4p29uc2fMeFoh56Cr 4k8HQT/MCptyl8/wFMhGHC6hLeswoKR7Hmf8WD00dSxUt7QoB1WwvWOxxMcT3aROT4 3ewtNKHAeNoA4U1BkgL94meWfJVF6EiNDSdsf9rW67dp5FFn0aPiv9JmKzJugMLURr AugRgNHrnkjCCa6N0H3g4jhORnXIwfsTbp/VoP4XFFKthnNxlwydXe5cfy0eO/ih3G OgM+92KiaoKZQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar experience in college. The instructor for the Strength of Materials class read the textbook to the class in a slow monotone. Students were keeping track of things like "ah", "er", and all. When we got in the lab and started testing various materials, he was a wealth of information. Offered all sorts of useful stuff; after class he drove off in his Porsche 356. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 1/5/2015 5:16 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This is just a story I am sure I've told before many times, but the > experience has stuck with me. > > Many years ago when I was at the U of U a couple of the profs and > myself enrolled in an evening > auto body repair course at a local high school. First night's class > was in a classroom and consisted > of covering shop safety, outline of the course, blah blah blah. > > The old fellow who was teaching sat up there and read from notes in > such a dull monotone for what > seemed like hours and hours. The profs and I kind of looked at each > other with a "what have we done?" > look. Mercifully the lecture finally concluded, and he asked "Any > questions?" > > My friend Gary had brought in a fender from his Model A truck project. > He asked the instructor to > take a look. > > I have never in my life seen a human being transformed in such a short > time. When the "boring old fart" > got his hands on that piece of metal he was a completely different > person. Excited and animated, he pointed > out where previous work on the metal had work hardened this area, > resulting in some incipient cracks at > the edge, he pointed out some warpage over here and so on. I almost > expected him to provide the mileage of > the truck and the original paint color codes. > Never in my life will I be able to look at a piece of metal with that > master's wisdom and experience. > It was amazing. > > mjb. > ______________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 20:28:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255442585175 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:28:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE612585073 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:24:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id em10so4501246wid.17 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:28:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oUdU9ma9BDHvHzVp/zP1BeXWPyOQ6CxlEQOegz9tCZ4=; b=lc/LlGXZWEMQlWzHk3LESNpxZSvRob8kAWbNpgBBIloUKQT4bBl9hF7Z8ZHPxshhIW gJ5wjOl/DCwEWEBNZKNvKE+MYHhG0LW5j8bCnqA8VRGqBvvkuSI4l/OyF1wiKYe01YVP dk4Yefu/M6urKh+uqmdg8VXsvHyWbldCM8BPMKNlG2QiTwl+OCZ5zK5T1SFmK06cpyHj 3B7vVC0eYoxCp9Zws/6hm40fPrUJYzPa3MC4M0ah2GOIgr1+0vU40qrv2H4++ArvGnjY 9yz6QUKHeG5bm7CUxi/osF1C+/Bt3pyWBQjlwqmRH9C/hHz6zVvoIujgyWX8D5ZwrM/j c2KQ== jx10mr32630705wid.50.1420514923400; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.52.193 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:28:43 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB2E4A.7010208@dinospider.com> <54AB3781.70900@bradakis.com> <54AB5179.9090008@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:28:43 -0600 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Mike Cc: shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding Class Project Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My instructor was super certified and even instructed welders from the Glen Rose nuke sight. One day I was carping about my school stick welder acting different from the one in the next booth. He asked my heat range; set the amps at 1/2 of my range and ran a great bead . . .then he set it at TWICE my amps and ran another great bead. Merely adjusting arc length and travel speed! I am still in awe of his skill. Tony On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Mike wrote: > I had a similar experience in college. The instructor for the Strength > of Materials class read the textbook to the class in a slow monotone. > Students were keeping track of things like "ah", "er", and all. When we > got in the lab and started testing various materials, he was a wealth of > information. Offered all sorts of useful stuff; after class he drove > off in his Porsche 356. > > Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On 1/5/2015 5:16 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > This is just a story I am sure I've told before many times, but the > > experience has stuck with me. > > > > Many years ago when I was at the U of U a couple of the profs and > > myself enrolled in an evening > > auto body repair course at a local high school. First night's class > > was in a classroom and consisted > > of covering shop safety, outline of the course, blah blah blah. > > > > The old fellow who was teaching sat up there and read from notes in > > such a dull monotone for what > > seemed like hours and hours. The profs and I kind of looked at each > > other with a "what have we done?" > > look. Mercifully the lecture finally concluded, and he asked "Any > > questions?" > > > > My friend Gary had brought in a fender from his Model A truck project. > > He asked the instructor to > > take a look. > > > > I have never in my life seen a human being transformed in such a short > > time. When the "boring old fart" > > got his hands on that piece of metal he was a completely different > > person. Excited and animated, he pointed > > out where previous work on the metal had work hardened this area, > > resulting in some incipient cracks at > > the edge, he pointed out some warpage over here and so on. I almost > > expected him to provide the mileage of > > the truck and the original paint color codes. > > Never in my life will I be able to look at a piece of metal with that > > master's wisdom and experience. > > It was amazing. > > > > mjb. > > ______________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 21:14:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB302585103 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:14:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FE02580983 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:11:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459632C0084 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:15:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:15:46 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] More welding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwv_XjWp1KA mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 22:17:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900072585268 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:17:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED4F258509C for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:16:56 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WjzBhB1nuUxgbWHnbu6NyIkn3ZfKO/UnoE3/pzNp5s5ujE3h4ZQCf6x3C/uTpwPH; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.12.43] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8MZd-0000yG-3b; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:20:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:20:50 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Brad Kahler , Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about some 6mil plastic sheeting and a frame of PVC pipe or conduit? Two pipes will run the length of the vehicle, resting on the platform inside the tires, and two shorter lengths can be attached to T's as spreaders. Change the length of the spreaders based on vehicle width. Thinking something like this (imagine there is no line spacing): |_| |_| | | You could get fancy and put a couple hooks on the inside of the platforms and set the pipe in them. You could make the plastic a little wider at one end so there is slope for any drippings to drain off. When not in use, just roll it up. Should you bump it while working on one of the cars, no danger of it scratching the bottom car with PVC either. Brian, wishing a lift of any sort was a possibility. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 6 03:16:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472192584C6B for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 03:16:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp001.apm-internet.net (smtp001-out.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F632580351 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 03:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7581 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2015 10:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (86.152.20.108) by smtp001.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2015 10:18:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:18:26 +0000 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54AB6172.3020308@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] More welding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 06/01/2015 04:15, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwv_XjWp1KA > > That is brilliant. Blurs the line between ingenuity and genius. Brightened up a grey Manchester morning and even encouraged me to drop a few dollars in the Shoptalk coffers. Thanks. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 6 07:33:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8C25852B2 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:33:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.34.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDD62585268 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:24:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W15 ([65.55.34.72]) by COL004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:28:39 -0800 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:28:38 -0500 References: <54AB6172.3020308@bradakis.com>,<54ABB672.50109@landform.co.uk> FILETIME=[10635F10:01D029BD] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] More welding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net "Honey, where's my bowling ball, I have a game tonight" "Uhhhh." Nice thing is those old rotors and the ball add some nice weight to it as well, less moving around. I don't know if that design could be any more elegant. > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:18:26 +0000 > From: nick@landform.co.uk > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] More welding > > On 06/01/2015 04:15, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwv_XjWp1KA > > > > > > That is brilliant. Blurs the line between ingenuity and genius. > > Brightened up a grey Manchester morning and even encouraged me to drop a > few dollars in the Shoptalk coffers. > > Thanks. > > Nick Brearley > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 16:18:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DE925844FB for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:18:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.185.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC412580469 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:13:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NHT00JCBY23HI50@nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 23:18:04 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-01-07_09:2015-01-07,2015-01-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412080000 definitions=main-1501070238 From: Robert nogueira Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:18:05 -0600 References: <804bcd0ed5158905e662ec955bcc5b4c.squirrel@webmail.automate-it.com> To: Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] replacement windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Nogueira > On Jan 7, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > > We had all our windows replaced by Champion vinyl windows. They included a life time warranty which included breakage. After they left and I got to looking at the windows and realized how important that warranty was, you can't replace the glass in the sash, the whole sash has to be replaced and since the windows are made to order that requires several weeks to replace a broken window. > We had a problem after two years with moisture between the panes on one window which was replace. We now ( seven yrs ) have streaks between the panes on three others which I'm going to need to call in. > > Bob >> >>> On Mon, December 29, 2014 09:13, John Niolon wrote: >>> need to replace some 20+ year old wooden windows in shop and house... any >>> recommendations or warnings about the manufacturers/installers... I'm tired >>> of painting windows !!! >>> >>> john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 18:48:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112072580469 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:48:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0538B2580151 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:42:53 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1420681626; bh=UqF/bRwrC5EBv/cf4o4sxPHhvVGbRY8v89dAW246aiA=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject; b=TXfnrQEOj5Ayf5RXd0H/ER1GgHq6kA0lP1YRTBpWLOQXJE6dM+dHX8HEHIzHgTFpeAGB9HwzZ4/PMoJVR1KKtrU96rF3ZTXmTVrAD1WGo8hV79zkbweePINvrV0GcGv30bUq9JLABvBWsw2QiARS9Rv6Twr+6MBNfJhvluFgWSH4wOhvlme7xwCARcNXYnNvJvKUNN4BXhrfN+rbgZwWM46KF/L0WRex/xcWyjMf5DP+ozcW5GHMGbMlaK/IeIsvylrdXaSNZt1NXSjANnN7F3GOlWbEBcC5b9odtH/M7zpLhouWrFx9Rd5Jw4vW8v2KHJ83g/u8peySDl2+wwozfw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=bellsouth.net; b=pI7KbL/qE6vuxyBzN0T7nWSSyaF+PmZWhVh/LI5uvEF0m4Yi7s4qnZxzHj0RoaYkxiKC3Us1fDQk9B9zMFf26FfWvj57CbMNI2FyXugJrAKc4IaJ7fCDnuGXN42329YjC/K9q197UFU2yEO9r7tFQpjhCFqVVw0M5bVNK1kVVLpSOvreiWqG1zpfQJ61PC0a33sbCTjUZLnsaxk0bGEp7gXgFp18OxS3CVglAWxSrkCVv9ZeAeZ8PkDV5w5kNYUq7fyBWGMCEh+VGsg1OKCcWaCya/CXjA+WaCWbs5FRkCNyaiLW+8DzTbTd5EdvnV2HMDX17VDxZS5YRqyC6Q4sAA==; Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.43] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 01:47:06 -0000 ieJPYaZ5PPtkxa65pYg3gTzaLkSTWbhjL4NZKpeExCYa_UK8IA32BA_ooAxm EdCJE_1Zyeam_BXW7GjA4uaX3_qJd7GjJ38EdKw0LRxJ30SyrwQ8lr3uPoiH v0CHGZ4EEYl.sKWgnrBCF52j3n1eu_bwH9xIvDrJw0JbFDD8z7YDxGu07qe3 hC2QGXWVIVBZYGgeQdWLGDG4lNGh1hpyMDPcxkPaS0gozn6q15vgAIRyr4Ai B2tsORP9W0mNMb2.0dALa3wtgVZjW0sVs5cHz7qOGNd9.gVhv1eHv7o7a_qM W.gBAfpa0luiSe7DEEMvrkrXvLLCAc82S.u.0VF2wWJYQKAZzXLfCH1leR7V 3XID2xkGQMTUTy1vLTP2lZHYhCY7ga96x6_MzZ42VDQze_.giGrHoDoBnDE3 FGm0nGzr7CiLBQxuBN2DJ2kmmD8JhUNEE1ta5sxsCln7aAavSH2Ap2qsNrS6 wf1i_YtDNMESu4lWKpOQ5mPUHyb194QNpdcA1qwGVXCSbHFrSIYMa4w-- From: David Cole Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:47:05 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I've got an issue with my water heater. 50 gal electric. Installed 2011 with a 6 yr warranty. I just bought the house 4 months ago. It's in the basement bathroom. I had noticed the floor wet around the unit and thought I had a foundation leak issue. Was happy when I just happened to be in there when it puked a little water out the temp/pressure relief valve. I removed it and there was a little corrosion in the valve and some white substance similar to toothpaste ( lime?) Replaced the valve under warranty. Thank you US Waterheater! I also turned the temp down from 130ish to the std 125 deg. Wanted to make sure there was not too much expansion. Put a small bucket under the pipe attached to the TPR valve. The floor has dried up nicely even after heavy rains so the foundation is good. However, I'm still getting a little discharge from the TPR valve into the bucket. About a quart every 2-3 days. We do use a lot of hot water with the wife and 2 college age girls. Have not checked the pressure but it doesn't seem above normal. Just good solid pressure. The TPR valve is rated at 150 psi and/or 200 deg. Ideas for a solution? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 19:04:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AC32584617 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:04:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337172584514 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE59FE064 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:07:53 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=0VDCcE4Zm2LvRv7Tb1DSmuIF+G0=; b=fMog0tYkZfQu E0p8m2F6cLcXA08kKecALv4I+3mlgP1GV4waaNhD18h2iIO3p8N1Pkibft6051kN 1NXijMuzh623/lRfApqaCTCuQFOiXkgQdnYrJnfeE+UOkUYa5QLwCvkj5FyaXGBC 94rYtKjT12yHtT8w4bV5ozvtl9P97io= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-96-237-249-158.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a56.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F533FE059 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:07:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:07:52 -0500 References: <52F47A15-BA10-4B65-AD61-0051D6BE1DA3@bellsouth.net> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:47 PM, David Cole wrote: > Ideas for a solution? Is there an expansion tank (Extrol, etc) in the system? Sounds like there's a backflow preventer and the expanded hot water has no where to go except out the T&P valve. Also, look into raising that water temp a bit more: "Warm, stagnant water provides ideal conditions for growth. At temperatures between 200C-500C (680-1220F) the organism can multiply. Temperatures of 320C-400C (900-1050F) are ideal for growth. Rust (iron), scale, and the presence of other microorganisms can also promote the growth of LDB. " _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 07:27:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E3C25845BC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:27:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E027525806C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:16:55 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1420726868; bh=sDj+ZHJnbA0P/Zed0QzfhMld5M7NtOstemNppEkBdSY=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=kWs9CTAPeCjEWUfvg7lAJqf1C4FuCbqZIsSFNpV1r0IBVbrzuRRD0GMD+kx0teCnoEPdst80a9RxAorF+/T0mSSNEbjU1s3aWEU8fhTEOh4y/EsASaciixBtqPuSffc1eyiWPtbIFjKZqKNomuUmktmqh7Q3IsJnmD4NBK74Gm42vKHOAtf/xnUFFQqjTSrQlbr6WyNIkUd8Xvi8WwPdY5WQ0wleE+NChz4mZZtniEVXNdHPjOmi0rjfEZG+QItmnTY9Euw9dxuVIsfD+cKVf+vSBQ57FQfh/MkOsSyVhpg31tIyjQOkTz+dHRczJIiKSg2p6HZeBIYiK4gzq8XZGg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=ameritech.net; b=heaA4cTAq9qC5feljKF3L2O0yVLPG+Oyiuu7sctowpRYuUExH2Rww5eSWzrVyLWFgzsSRLSyfeFC/zpPM3Cac0zxdd+5OaWJurTxhZBCP6FyRdzvpoIaDc0TF5DO4NX08LvSzsV5qNYV7M6R6Icws8AgDMMm/BLtU8Qoxpcn44jbUqG4We/QCDGo5BrHh1GA4jc+qECGotlubIffmeM8S7FWficXCvRimScA4UuTBCTv3gjZGn9SVPmV753pTpQ56yPBA8RA8X15hcXxk//J2WLvbrrxitwl9JCSJIezthQ4BR8wGjfw7+r0cKT3sp8CXCYSS9j3vr7U8dri1NoiSQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 14:21:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 14:21:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2015 14:21:08 -0000 6PyiZqJ.YhF4BE0nUKmqbHljI4X8wYf6N4D1D0ez0ijBnlape..a0RXUnuVD d1X0ATR5X_Qx_ISqz_JB10YXmOz2cx9V.CuxWZb0g8C4pbhDFeN6A7xu00u1 gQA_0sirOXqRgzqOm2qpQNoMuPLwFMxf6u6qqb_WOlXsuNTrmmXjpiLAU0EM KIAxqI7SLv7V0dTiiTKVea7EA_6NOermYdZVrgjWUXolxzzOdMa8rSzOayml uHE0nLUJn4GxD5GRkbgBZrqRxpST8Ipssr435gnllBoC9_pH0gw1.znblo8C kY0t40lF2UiQggPyzM8heiBLW_YY._HCEPfK.p2ROgvhHzK1TCwlkrRNJSRs cGtqtGsNK6w7mbdeJzqhh_8j_Jj4_HWImSGQJKAppJZHpee5viGj3zA5Qnun uT8T1_kwhJ03Xnu.1RB7rbhU4QZWKI5y_ikQS6Au1YV9Zo3J0VFG8FCPUYgc gECEKKlo24N51GdtTCH3r6UJLwx.9StzKO9eFyfAd2RyGyfZOsA-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <52F47A15-BA10-4B65-AD61-0051D6BE1DA3@bellsouth.net> <50EBB776-0A8F-4732-9DE0-39D8F178CEA3@groupwbench.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 08:21:13 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIOP23hocHxOppH2cEItddfWC3kMgLQMgjfnCOb1IA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - Is it possible that this came through with temperatures transposed to an order of magnitude higher than you intended? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Franklin Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak Also, look into raising that water temp a bit more: "Warm, stagnant water provides ideal conditions for growth. At temperatures between 200C-500C (680-1220F) the organism can multiply. Temperatures of 320C-400C (900-1050F) are ideal for growth. Rust (iron), scale, and the presence of other microorganisms can also promote the growth of LDB. " _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 07:43:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA51F2584E9B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:43:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C5925806C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC42282065 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 06:47:49 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=osImNuXbK4JUTs3eHFMwj/MEJ80=; b=Ws1yTaEj+csh BTLyvMi4GXYbebqceGuo/8KoPn/rS21yucwjOwVokq0WH7gMYnDU0Fru2s2UnK/O 0NkxPM/jkg5jOn7UjA9/ZBHO9PT+/XVGnMMWiFvRo8Qq1wZoUEXtzFBmt4m95XDj J8qh4e+1mkT1fJAzc8m5ZGiNxvm5PSI= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a82.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2744282061 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 06:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:47:47 -0500 References: <52F47A15-BA10-4B65-AD61-0051D6BE1DA3@bellsouth.net> <50EBB776-0A8F-4732-9DE0-39D8F178CEA3@groupwbench.org> <005701d02b4e$5c405db0$14c11910$@Ameritech.net> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Whoa, dunno what happened there. Though on a day like today, a 500C shower sounds nice :-) jim On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Jim - > Is it possible that this came through with temperatures transposed to an > order of magnitude higher than you intended? > > ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Franklin > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak > > Also, look into raising that water temp a bit more: > "Warm, stagnant water provides ideal conditions for growth. At temperatures > between 200C-500C (680-1220F) the organism can multiply. Temperatures of > 320C-400C (900-1050F) are ideal for growth. Rust (iron), scale, and the > presence of other microorganisms can also promote the growth of LDB. " > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 07:44:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54192584EFE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:44:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B993258445A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:44:05 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1420728497; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=kgNQLkF2RvKkbeYZl5HCktxwyDqF28SCHoYw80pqFlXGdUqTx7Gb3TmEtoluF3hwW CDZ1VZ0lKfDgNFBH7FNe+fYDufi/i3VgJbhdxhTzn/jXraGzNZrGU8dRE7F1xhsPSb ZmEvGiMYOM73rUevIhwmAUzpEXskWz7oEKs1efFk= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLL7GDYAHT7SSS for (sender ); Thu, 8 Jan 2015 06:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:46:39 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:46:39 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tough organisms... -----Original Message----- From: Jim Franklin Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak Also, look into raising that water temp a bit more: "Warm, stagnant water provides ideal conditions for growth. At temperatures between 200C-500C (680-1220F) the organism can multiply. Temperatures of 320C-400C (900-1050F) are ideal for growth. ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54ae987654f9518765e7est03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 09:28:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5FF2584F7B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:28:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1223325803D1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z11so3763789lbi.10 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:29:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kokFFLic/gINSfxOpTOtRSEXj3tqqoPiCybLh/SoXZk=; b=QTG4zCtZMJDy0zD5e+qtpuZf2DaATJVpNBntwDDmIxNIrmyG1G5bCr4TsxGdT29s9M SI5pRHQzF2S7feeg1fuHVwpSsXqNm5cgRi+lvhndvYeVV9uq23tb9rczw/dmrWQ77qyE 2Fh0ymCSznnunMaMlR7JtjcijripYId4xSET9jYxU3gGSQcdjQROWFmzx/Lk65PUu/1b 6hg48008NAWOoZAYtzC4lww0311bkFaizVRPmRC5+CutCtvy3o6zv7DXDaOuqacXE1Yi jQuR5gW0fzGbBDI6UYeOeJrOXC2a9XKK5tjlAZ0Ub72pX3IxeK3Uwn4JnLhlVmmfcpZJ fIXw== y4mr15284099lae.72.1420734103307; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:21:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.147.233 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 08:21:43 -0800 (PST) References: <52F47A15-BA10-4B65-AD61-0051D6BE1DA3@bellsouth.net> <50EBB776-0A8F-4732-9DE0-39D8F178CEA3@groupwbench.org> <005701d02b4e$5c405db0$14c11910$@Ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:21:43 -0600 From: Philip Ethier To: Karl Vacek Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Because of the variances in the ways nonASCII characters can be displayed in various systems, I always use the word "degrees" and wish everybody did. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Jim - > Is it possible that this came through with temperatures transposed to an > order of magnitude higher than you intended? > > ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Franklin > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Water heater leak > > Also, look into raising that water temp a bit more: > "Warm, stagnant water provides ideal conditions for growth. At temperatures > between 200C-500C (680-1220F) the organism can multiply. Temperatures of > 320C-400C (900-1050F) are ideal for growth. Rust (iron), scale, and the > presence of other microorganisms can also promote the growth of LDB. " > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier7@gmail.com > > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 11:49:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8BB2580A1C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:49:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com (mail-oi0-f52.google.com [209.85.218.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FE25804B7 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a3so8673396oib.11 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:53:15 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jA+pUxrtFdaxL6S3I8ef4fCpzTJfV/VGSx5DpM1FIrM=; b=GdLy+zLeOQxLhVCLe2tHVjF2KA1DDQv8RJIuV1rIllVPdGQBid8j36npe/5KrMNxsB Ir4A9oPzdGB+kYqaUjRzFykOPilBvXgp2qRwW1N3ceAIutD3IRoPFDFxXXU09BCebA7a zDygqlJl2x7p+iGLE+MB7kEMtFyxmVkkh5J5N8VDk8EVDsvfP+VQtUJPM5oLVj9e5ZaT 0hNQlGXKi1iWfPXUtaii8Givfzf4YpXPOGWbxFY6QS4+v1BLaEYWNIOq6lLGEX4YBUEk WmzCrxd5qyhUSrdPC/ERe7C7S0JeLH4SSiOQpCmtqQdxRs8VUb9n/cj0/jgKltgkUv2v vFWg== lw14mr6574905oeb.31.1420743195345; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from smarty (75-32-225-209.lightspeed.rsfeca.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.225.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id df11sm3162376oec.12.2015.01.08.10.53.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:53:14 -0800 (PST) From: sentenac.rw@gmail.com To: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:53:13 -0800 References: <52F47A15-BA10-4B65-AD61-0051D6BE1DA3@bellsouth.net> <50EBB776-0A8F-4732-9DE0-39D8F178CEA3@groupwbench.org> <005701d02b4e$5c405db0$14c11910$@Ameritech.net> <7CC0516F-56C7-48CD-B667-0CD981245B14@groupwbench.org> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:47:47 -0500, you wrote: looks like the list can't process degree symbols and makes them zeros. If Britain and the US are two countries divided by a common language, the Internet is a whole bunch of countries divided by a whole bunch of (sort of) common 'languages'. -Roland >Whoa, dunno what happened there. Though on a day like today, a 500C shower >sounds nice :-) > >jim > >On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > >> Jim - >> Is it possible that this came through with temperatures transposed to an >> order of magnitude higher than you intended? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 12:14:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E502584A43 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:14:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CAB25803FC for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55105] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id ED/A9-31080-BF6DEA45; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:14:03 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'shop-talk List'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:14:02 -0800 Thread-Index: AdArdGqyEiEz+jZ+QdCepiTppB9Z2wAAgu4Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Water heater leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > looks like the list can't process degree symbols and makes them zeros. Yup. The list server enforces "standard" 7 bit ASCII (aka US-ASCII), which includes a very limited subset of symbols. Anything else, it does its best to translate to 7 bit ASCII. The degree symbol gets translated to a zero. That may change soon, I believe our listmeister is experimenting with allowing HTML (including selection of character sets) on the lists. But it apparently hasn't happened for Shop Talk yet. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 12:17:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6898525844BC for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:17:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FDD25803E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:08:55 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/09/2015 14:05:09, Serialize complete at 01/09/2015 14:05:09 Subject: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday, I towed and replaced my buddies starter on his 2007 Dodge Ram 1500. It has about 130K miles. What struck me as odd was that he said this is his second starter on that truck. I'm a high milage truck guy (my last truck had over 220K miles when I sold it and my current truck as 175K miles) and I've never replaced a starter. My questions is, can he be doing something wrong that is killing his starters? I haven't seen him over-crank his truck, but what normally causes the starters to fail? (There was a core charge on the starter, so I couldn't tear into it to see what broken.) Now, I garage keep all my vehicles and he never does, I would guess that could play into it. But, is there anything I can tell him to help him not burn through them as quickly? Thanks Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 12:28:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091052580AE8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:28:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD10258044E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:22:13 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:13:50 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/09/2015 14:10:03, Serialize complete at 01/09/2015 14:10:03 Subject: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, this is a little off-topic, but I'll be using it as a tool, so I guess that qualifies. I'm looking to get a quad copter with a video camera to help me manage my wood farm and the surrounding areas. I have lots of uses for something like this (also check the gutters of the shop, etc (so there shop content)). I've been looking at these on Amazon and they don't give enough detail as to why one is better than the other. (Note, I'm not looking at the little ones for under $100 bucks. I've budgeted about $1000 for one, but can go higher if there is a good reason to.) I don't need long 'flight times.' I do want to be about to see the video as it's flying. I would love to be able to take 'stills' as well in flight. The camera needs to be able to point somewhat 'down.' (It seems most of these don't really look down much.) Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 12:28:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F75F2584B0C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:28:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80409258044E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F3937A075 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 11:28:24 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=o928n/Zsj6P4UxzsEx99U7PUjxw=; b=nW7ax3PJ9Nhe v5U70wXjNxfjrooiUsAXYChRp5q/Vew9PF3JHFGNKozvPz6W8qRGg96302Mrrbh+ h3g4NNEU33SjemR9DgxZgjEP7S5QgTT2W2kk9vcGxbm2THNvK0Wu+IjWWdnsVKBs 7TBKgeZW4POiWsnCx9zsBKNC7DDRV54= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-110-5.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.110.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 101B237A065 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 11:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:28:22 -0500 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:08 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > But, is there anything I can tell him to help him not burn through them as > quickly? The solenoid is part of the replacement right? There could be low voltage causing it to overheat. Does it crank normally? Might check/upgrade the cables, especially engine to body ground cable. Could also be something serious like mis-drilled starter holes, causing a gear misalignment and extra load, or maybe the starter needs to be shimmed a bit. Do you know what the failure mode was? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 12:48:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983CF2580B9A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:48:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FBE2584D3E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id r5so10797578qcx.2 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kFrFlMnGDjWxbioDWuFQL8jlR68hPVTtJ1CjqNFlBek=; b=LX1pZAri3/QTkQLXfdvUERLXHXOY3g1pQdFNfJIXc5MxeUerOPE5gu5be28BqlqsFf y4p2ZLqIw+yWgEeiYLQoXXhf+Kox5V9sydz3OhChg51z5LF5iYW8Ge3x2xDd92+6rhL6 1JTTS1bEpBYAVCdDxK3Yq5bGlr+ZholvImYRsmzyL6WOn9J9w2BwP19AegWkjmezQHy5 q0CnG4Cm2s2yMYBJQ5rACIy1JGmHMNFF1eEhuBS7+rlCnyXsHntWt5Pg1Dp3WkO6LCyg HqFtASP0h0l7EvPNTU77DcC322BHv5iphIfh5Vrp4+mGN6OtMpdqWCR8QWw5IA8Q9nIC 36iQ== w10mr22088650qab.58.1420832410712; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.99.98 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:40:10 -0600 From: John Innis To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For that kind of cash, look at something like the IRIS+ ( http://www.adafruit.com/products/2199) If you want to adjust the camera in flight, you need a gimbal mount. If you just want to set it to a fixed position a plain mount will do. Since you want to see the video while flying, read carefully about the radios. Some (like the otherwise excellent dji http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1010830-REG/dji_cp_pt_0000011_quadcopter_with_gopro_mount.html) use a radio frequency that is in the WIFI band and interferes with wireless cameras like the GO PRO. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, wrote: > OK, this is a little off-topic, but I'll be using it as a tool, so I guess > that qualifies. > > I'm looking to get a quad copter with a video camera to help me manage my > wood farm and the surrounding areas. I have lots of uses for something > like this (also check the gutters of the shop, etc (so there shop > content)). > > I've been looking at these on Amazon and they don't give enough detail as > to why one is better than the other. > > (Note, I'm not looking at the little ones for under $100 bucks. I've > budgeted about $1000 for one, but can go higher if there is a good reason > to.) > > I don't need long 'flight times.' I do want to be about to see the video > as it's flying. I would love to be able to take 'stills' as well in > flight. > > The camera needs to be able to point somewhat 'down.' (It seems most of > these don't really look down much.) > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 13:00:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF78E2580A18 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:00:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC3525802EE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:47:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 903608FC26; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF088FC25 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) From: David Hillman To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, 9 Jan 2015, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Any ideas or suggestions? Not really... -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 13:44:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8542584B3D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:44:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584A02580491 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-13v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.237]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dwfH1p00557bBgG01wfmjt; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:39:46 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-212v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.246]) by resomta-po-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id dwfk1p00q5Ji7d601wfkUv; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:39:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 20:39:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Tom & Marge FitzGibbon To: eric@megageek.com References: (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Quad Copter with video cameras Thread-Index: odYYvojAgQUXdykyF0/614Y2Y7wjGg== s=q20140121; t=1420835986; bh=ZM9B6wRgdX9JWBCvbqmCWWEZ2oQuM42zucGaQpeMGow=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dxkCaA5wSE1mIqWQ8+ua2VLsnPs5Jgyd40OmqQukZqPAP19p77jCHxQu9fTgpdQeH l96UsuXj3PBrWdhM6A6F8YyTda8YESsi4U5QIYbBYHuyX0mVygtQ5fClxEA/olThRp bOXJuw2GdYGsqCwjqH2NkMoQuo3GBTqRQy4kZ8nfuZUqPoYO82WNl17OTyxi3QvvZ9 6gZdJ+evEf5a1MOOUhA57aEhpYl4VdWT6+8g0rLEPu+awOAsN3TUccfpS0Kv58B0sO Xy8aPQGNghsYwgdC0RN1aVuGyPnqf8oSOjOPD4Y8PJ5S3wNcoOywtgiNnbS+7fYeT8 VyyJNCnWVQcwA== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Sorry, I know nothing about these, but if you go to bhphotovideo.com and search "copter" you will see lots of listings many with reviews (I saw some with over 100 reviews). Since the place is really known as a camera and video store, most of the reviews should address the video aspects and give you a pretty good idea of the benefits. Prices seem to be all over the place, so you should find something in your price range. Just FYI, I don't know about prices for these, but I find most of the time these guys are pretty competitive with Amazon but once you see something you like I would compare prices. BTW, NFI but I've been a very satisfied customer for many years. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: eric@megageek.com To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 2:13:50 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras OK, this is a little off-topic, but I'll be using it as a tool, so I guess that qualifies. I'm looking to get a quad copter with a video camera to help me manage my wood farm and the surrounding areas. I have lots of uses for something like this (also check the gutters of the shop, etc (so there shop content)). I've been looking at these on Amazon and they don't give enough detail as to why one is better than the other. (Note, I'm not looking at the little ones for under $100 bucks. I've budgeted about $1000 for one, but can go higher if there is a good reason to.) I don't need long 'flight times.' I do want to be about to see the video as it's flying. I would love to be able to take 'stills' as well in flight. The camera needs to be able to point somewhat 'down.' (It seems most of these don't really look down much.) Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 13:59:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE592584C77 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:59:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759F6258069D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:57:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150109210201.LMZL26120.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id dx201p00d4uwYHU01x21DT; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:02:01 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=v0UNPXBE34YA:10 a=wufTxF9E_iK3kl-K:21 a=Pv2fddYXskfnNtX3:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=7jdoFEUf3PAux0Dy:21 a=6BpQk3ptISbhGqy-:21 a=Km_a9sODvDdDFlE4:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:00:28 -0500 To: shop-talk List From: "John T. Blair" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:28 PM 1/9/2015, you wrote: > The solenoid is part of the replacement right? >There could be low voltage causing it to overheat. Does it crank normally? >Might check/upgrade the cables, especially engine to body ground cable. What I've found is the contacts burn and the piston can't pull in across both the input and output contacts. http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/electrical/starting/art026.html About 1/2 way done the article is a picture of a burned contact, and at the bottom is a sketch of how and why that causes problems. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 14:14:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E62258055A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:14:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B711B25803E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u56so10036885wes.2 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 13:08:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TQtn80eMPbGcIdAUoRMwj+L5EReOr0bVfT3sxWCBWXI=; b=DBGaM5AI8wh0RJXzeGpYYhnheUDiqnVxNPtAExwXe1B9QJ2B48QHrhkZLBta1lcIWl ItFuNI51ry0GpsqQMiAfjdSF1iMc/DbW7PNtPKBlUjLkj5zHDkhIRM3f6xie2usZq07V GJ4WYzNWZxuVDF9TW7wRF/4XmrCfVlV4CcsHO6xTNd2pbFlZz2EfYIFdRLhIutFDRT3x qnMDs1mcShhx406f58x+nqmOiogoY5EgiDsN+1oSn0fJP7823r2Jn0Z/I25RqkRkb4+A yK+Harpe9f9jdqYMHwGP2q/B98GFuqGizuWpNaLujakzgirFDfXYReWq1xtISbymPjEW 3mwg== x12mr8816381wiv.40.1420837702317; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 13:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.63.130 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:08:22 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:08:22 -0500 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Jim Franklin Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Excessive heat is a major cause of starter failure. To limit warranty we put a software feature in our engine controllers to limit the time you can crank within a given time period. This avoids overtemping the starter. Changing the exhaust or removing heat shields could also raise the temps the starter sees. Beyond heat, vibration can be an issue, too. That's mostly a design issue, but again if there's been any mods to the truck (engine mounts, calibration changes, etc.) that could cause a higher vibration profile at the starter. Ben..... On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:08 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > >> But, is there anything I can tell him to help him not burn through them as >> quickly? > > The solenoid is part of the replacement right? > > There could be low voltage causing it to overheat. Does it crank normally? > Might check/upgrade the cables, especially engine to body ground cable. > > Could also be something serious like mis-drilled starter holes, causing a > gear misalignment and extra load, or maybe the starter needs to be shimmed a > bit. Do you know what the failure mode was? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 14:14:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0572584A3C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:14:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D665625803E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150109211519.SECY27051.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:15:19 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id dxFJ1p0084uwYHU01xFJNF; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:15:18 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=acNO4Javrlj61Ef33OgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=YUHsU9dACf08m4Gw:21 a=NKpo4cS4s651Dk8p:21 a=ZriPJPGE1-_yAsOUuoIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=yxcCiwPxD2bghQdi:21 a=WzZELg_zZgm8akVS:21 a=rkLYO1_iBDADwBmN:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:15:23 -0500 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: "John T. Blair" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 02:08 PM 1/9/2015, you wrote: >Yesterday, I towed and replaced my buddies starter on his 2007 Dodge Ram >1500. It has about 130K miles. What struck me as odd was that he said this is >his second starter on that truck. >Now, I garage keep all my vehicles and he never does, I would guess that could >play into it. Eric, I seriously doubt that him not garaging his truck made the difference. I have seen this same sort of thing many time, especially with my wife and my cars. We both had 84 Hondas, hers a civic wagon, mine an accord. Her starter failed at about 65K miles along with both half shafts. Her alternator went about 80K, etc. My Accord got over 120K to the 1st set of 1/2 shafts, alternator, and starter. The difference was the way we drove our cars. Her's was the grocery getter, she very seldom drove over 3 mile on any trip, the was pulling into tight parking lot spaces so wheel to wheel locking the steering column. I got in my car, started it, drover 25 mi. to work, pulled into an empty parking lot. After work, I started the car, pulled streight out of the parking space, hit the interstate, 25 mi. later I was parked in front of my house. So the wife's car saw 15 times the number more starts per day than mine did. Her's also saw a lot more sharp turning, etc. Next issue is why did the 2nd starter fail? Where did he get the replacement starter from? Back to my accord, the first alternater lasted 160Kmi. I got a replacement starter from autozone. The dealer wanted $600, I found a discount Honda dealer on line that would see one for $360, and got mine from Autozone for $250. So of course I went with AutoZone. That alternator lasted just over 2 yrs and 20K mi. I replaced it with another one from AZ. Again 2 yrs or about 20K. The real problem with this was it was a 4 hour job to replace the alternator as you had to pull the 1/2 shaft to get the alternator out. (Wish Honda have of dimpled the fire wall so you didn't.) This made me think about the cost effictiveness of using Aftermark parts. Had a similar problem with a Chrysler Van and the Mit. 3L engine. Water pumps $35 from autozone but I went through 3 of then in less than 75K miles. I bought a pump from the dealer for $150, but it lasted well over the 75K replacement spec for the timing belts. With replacing the belts (required to do to get to the pump) taking 8 hr. again, the dealer part was a lot less expensive. To sum this up you're probably looking at 2 things: driving style, and parts supplier. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 15:30:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC202584B6A for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:30:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DA82580491 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:25:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 4F/29-02894-24650B45; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:29:22 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:29:25 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAsUephJoTtQB3aTAysk8QiNTBhvAAB/UZw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > To sum this up you're probably looking at 2 things: driving style, > and parts supplier. I agree entirely, but I would add "luck of the draw" to the list. A few years ago, the alternator went out on the wife's old Toyota and I picked up a rebuilt one at a local independent parts house. I've been dealing with them for many years and never had a problem. But this time, the replacement alternator died again within a matter of weeks. I assumed that meant I had overlooked some problem, so I went over the entire charging system carefully, even replaced the battery, clamps and fusible link. But the next replacement again failed within a matter of weeks, as did the one after that and the one after that. Then I got a good one, and it is still working today (although we've since passed the car along to a family friend). Same rebuilder, same supplier, no other changes to the car. I assume the rebuilder got a batch of weak diodes or something, but ??? Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 15:45:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397DE2584DE4 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B000A2584A83 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id b6so10345437lbj.8 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:39:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uA9DQ3n+XFR4TToKP/sNkh3lpvhG0IcpDInzgGDLFMM=; b=LgZfH5I4sMv1gWpoQfapKJ4JaKWM4J4qt+UmNa0T/d0M6lV1tr94lsd3lDIhGYZWhL C0Y1NSZieIrXmaf/Bb8nMN93B5uxt+nvABgbzNjDh1yMJ/pzC3VwbVTyvy/puNMVZuG0 86xsLIeiRqz16DUH/fE5HjVViapPsOniWK1sRbpONB9yUKzsQ4fzu+YI6wmC2LxbAWyd n2kRKw41nmrNPmFxboXB0fBXbsNmd/0Unz+8aFjnw29fFssk8fo9K8jef2qAj3du2VtL 2wVOXw25lSgYw/61E3fx6L73tScxWxKA5GzTFC50rggZSzrnNwFC3ACKzbUhqm3b7g8j e5zA== n11mr22658266laa.38.1420843154916; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.63.204 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:39:14 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 17:39:14 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The DJI Phantom 2+ gets amazing reviews and I've seen some really impressive sample videos: https://store.dji.com/phantom?gclid=CjwKEAiAlb6lBRCBw4jC-bb3uykSJAB55Ti9drbZvfMhP_Qi4VcrbeTekZJpyIhojoAN3_5kdv4LOhoCMA_w_wcB -Paul On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:13 PM, wrote: > OK, this is a little off-topic, but I'll be using it as a tool, so I guess > that qualifies. > > I'm looking to get a quad copter with a video camera to help me manage my > wood farm and the surrounding areas. I have lots of uses for something > like this (also check the gutters of the shop, etc (so there shop > content)). > > I've been looking at these on Amazon and they don't give enough detail as > to why one is better than the other. > > (Note, I'm not looking at the little ones for under $100 bucks. I've > budgeted about $1000 for one, but can go higher if there is a good reason > to.) > > I don't need long 'flight times.' I do want to be about to see the video > as it's flying. I would love to be able to take 'stills' as well in > flight. > > The camera needs to be able to point somewhat 'down.' (It seems most of > these don't really look down much.) > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 18:16:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E442725846AC for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:16:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71152258030B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU436-SMTP101 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 9 Jan 2015 17:14:01 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 17:13:51 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAsQwo9SG/VlzkbTbWjkGLYdBKYSAAL1Juw FILETIME=[B65B3930:01D02C72] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Find your local RC flying club and learn what and how to fly from them. You can find them here: http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:14 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras OK, this is a little off-topic, but I'll be using it as a tool, so I guess that qualifies. I'm looking to get a quad copter with a video camera to help me manage my wood farm and the surrounding areas. I have lots of uses for something like this (also check the gutters of the shop, etc (so there shop content)). I've been looking at these on Amazon and they don't give enough detail as to why one is better than the other. (Note, I'm not looking at the little ones for under $100 bucks. I've budgeted about $1000 for one, but can go higher if there is a good reason to.) I don't need long 'flight times.' I do want to be about to see the video as it's flying. I would love to be able to take 'stills' as well in flight. The camera needs to be able to point somewhat 'down.' (It seems most of these don't really look down much.) Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 04:23:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6E025803E9 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:23:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15326258023F for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:23:30 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 06:11:23 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/10/2015 06:11:20, Serialize complete at 01/10/2015 06:11:20 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net WOW, thanks for all the info. To answer a few questions that I created... I was not able to take apart the starter to find the cause (sol attached to it as well.) The failure mode was the typical 'loud click, no starter motor movement. Battery and charging system was completely checked. My buddy is 'tough' on things to say the least and no one to take care of his stuff. So I suspected that played into it as well. Also, I found out that he had just replaced the pos battery terminal about 2 weeks prior because it was so corroded. I'm guessing the failing connector caused a 'arc' condition in the solenoid. When the new terminal was installed, the damage was already done and it was just a matter of time. Thanks again for all the replies! I love this place. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 04:37:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5C925804F4 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:37:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22085258023F for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:31:52 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 06:19:45 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/10/2015 06:19:41, Serialize complete at 01/10/2015 06:19:41 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quad Copter with video cameras Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Again, WOW! on the great answers. The overwhelming majority seem to point to the DJI Phantom 2+ so I'm going with that. I'm just waiting for the East coast to wake up so I can talk to someone. 8>) I do have to say that I really HATE the way most new technology start ups constantly upgrade and improve designs (significantly) and use the same name with no real way to discern what item you are actually buying. With this model, there is a new 3 v.0. It has a new remote, motors, software, etc. Yet the old one the and new one are named identically. You can upgrade the old one to the new one, but if I want to buy the new one, it's hard to know what I'm getting. (most sellers advertise the "v3.0" but that can mean its a new one or an upgraded one.) UGG!!! When you make major improvements, CHANGE THE MODEL NAME (or at least add a suffix!) I'm done ranting. Thanks again for all your help! I'm going to throw a donation to the list since this was off topic!!! (In fact, I think I'll make this a rule for me. If I ask an off topic post and get a good answer, I'll donate again!) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 04:37:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B7B2580468 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:37:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFBF258023F for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:35:18 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 06:23:12 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/10/2015 06:23:07, Serialize complete at 01/10/2015 06:23:07 Subject: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just a note, I tried to donate to via the link at the bottom of each post and you get a 'Out dated link' error from paypal. And I didn't know this, but you can't 'search' for someone without a phone number on paypal to make the donation. So please update the link so I can make my donation. Thanks again. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 07:05:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B5A258060D for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:05:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD2E2580211 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150110140948.QLZT30965.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:09:48 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id eE9n1p0084uwYHU01E9nG7; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:09:47 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=qKspDf1IQrrIkGM58WIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=PEM7zYqrzD704f6n:21 a=atbq4U3Aqy_oqebw:21 a=hx_E0uWIPnuKjE4IFNgA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=Xwkl8imXw7uqyPFQ:21 a=Q8fcO10PCYwGNBYV:21 a=V7TJHShAp8QSC2B4:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:02:51 -0500 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: "John T. Blair" References: <6.2.5.6.1.20150109160943.04de91a0@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Starter problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 06:11 AM 1/10/2015, eric@megageek.com wrote: >The failure mode was the typical 'loud click, no starter motor movement. >Battery and charging system was completely checked. Eric That is indicative of the burned contacts on the starter solenoid. The solenoid is pulling the plunger in, but when the connecting plate hits the "nonburned" contact, it doesn't touch the "burned" contact. So no power is supplied to the motor. >Also, I found out that he had just replaced the pos battery terminal about 2 >weeks prior because it was so corroded. I'm guessing the failing connector >caused a 'arc' condition in the solenoid. The battery post failure had nothing to do with the solenoid contact failure. I've seen the solenoid contact failure on many different vechiles that didn' have battery post clamp issues at the same time. In fact this is the 1st time I've heard of any kind of battery/post/cable failure at the same time as the solenoid contact. It's just usage. Don't know if you remember in the older cars with distributors and points, there was a "condenser" / capacitor placed across the points? This was to reduce the sparking and errosion of the point. Unfortunately, the solenoid doesn't have a capacitor accross it, and because of the starter pulls a lot more current than there is across the points. So it's bound to happen. Many car manufactures sell the contacts for about $12 - 25 and you can usually replace them yourself. However, for the car repair shop, they just replace the hole kitten-cupoodle as it is cheaper. The starter has to come out either way. Then you'll pay almost as much to have a mechanic to replace the contact as the starter costs. What a bummer. But on the good side, you've got all new innards - bearings, etc. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 10:33:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8E525845CA for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:33:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27BA25802F8 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:30:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 41/34-11273-DC261B45; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:35:10 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:35:12 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAsymhhoAEX9VAlTxOHGfB6lSkQnQALl22w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Just a note, I tried to donate to via the link at the bottom > of each post > and you get a 'Out dated link' error from paypal. I just tried it, and the link works for me. The link at the bottom of each post leads to a web page on the Team.Net server, that has instructions on both how to snail mail a paper check (how archaic! ) and a link to PayPal. The link from the web page leads to a PayPal page where you'll have to either log into your PayPal account, or give them your mobile phone number (along with other personal information) to create a account (which can be temporary). That is a PayPal restriction, you must be able to receive text messages (ie have a mobile phone) in order to automatically create an account. (There may be an alternate route that doesn't require text messages, but I don't know of any.) The search box says "email or mobile number", so if you want to use that instead of the link, enter "fcg@autox.team.net" (without the quotes) as the email address. (You can also just enter a fake phone number, so the search will fail and ask you to enter a name and address. But be certain it's actually a number that does not belong to anyone, like 310-555-1212, otherwise you may wind up paying the wrong person.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 11:52:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5122584769 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:52:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B52258030C for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:52:02 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:39:54 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/10/2015 13:39:52, Serialize complete at 01/10/2015 13:39:52 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hum, it worked this time. I was able to make the donation. Before it kept telling me that the link was old and outdated. Oh well. Thanks again everyone!!! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson "Randall" 01/10/2015 12:20 PM To , cc Subject RE: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link > Just a note, I tried to donate to via the link at the bottom > of each post > and you get a 'Out dated link' error from paypal. I just tried it, and the link works for me. The link at the bottom of each post leads to a web page on the Team.Net server, that has instructions on both how to snail mail a paper check (how archaic! ) and a link to PayPal. The link from the web page leads to a PayPal page where you'll have to either log into your PayPal account, or give them your mobile phone number (along with other personal information) to create a account (which can be temporary). That is a PayPal restriction, you must be able to receive text messages (ie have a mobile phone) in order to automatically create an account. (There may be an alternate route that doesn't require text messages, but I don't know of any.) The search box says "email or mobile number", so if you want to use that instead of the link, enter "fcg@autox.team.net" (without the quotes) as the email address. (You can also just enter a fake phone number, so the search will fail and ask you to enter a name and address. But be certain it's actually a number that does not belong to anyone, like 310-555-1212, otherwise you may wind up paying the wrong person.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 13:34:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E69258048F for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:34:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE7B2580211 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:30:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3850B2C00E4 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:35:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:35:06 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: 'shop-talk List' References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net eric@megageek.com wrote: > Just a note, I tried to donate to via the link at the bottom of each post > and you get a 'Out dated link' error from paypal. Odd, it just worked for me, was tied to the proper donations@autox.team.net email address. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 13:37:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88692580489 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:37:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C490C2580211 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:37:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1492C00E4; Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:41:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:41:25 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Problems with the donation link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like you got it working, thanks!! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 07:12:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDA52584BBC for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:12:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E29258039C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:09:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lf10so32241155pab.5 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:14:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2raV4moZGZhG476EzPk3lUcgvatBoAHKZG9cc5Y9JIs=; b=sdHvgbTv7djZNHsXqwmPFnaC2rLIxtLCzY0yBIJrjCCLdI4H6fXyGuzbKn7xSBlb3Y r2v4y/6/lb5yEyOsCcgZnTJARxxKPqxJFy6htIM+SL6k7GkGxwkXzNk4fhQvrB1qKjcS WgTfiXZnL6Jd6oHMpcaca3H9jJ25yh74Lq5GuznY2rAEsFqMSv+NngB0YaGdXKn6+4oc rRYy81yz6TrD9H7uHVwaRlHUsUYElhj2N8nradbx76Da3lYp4/k5Pw5MN43SyrW4tH+1 VpdBEplHt6atnGH9Xw5yFss2Iu6b6F0jwzPKpNPaMBctFfn1EC1l3l4N2CWa386+17n0 utJQ== ze6mr43676845pac.99.1421072045631; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:14:05 -0800 (PST) References: <51B28C463421424299C721D562D6446F@EricJRussellPC> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:14:05 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Eric J Russell Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, In the past when I had the lift setup it did seem to have a lot of "stuff" sitting on it when I wasn't using it :) The ramps on mine are 14" wide. This is an early lift built by a company called Grand out of Texas. It just so happens the model of my lift is "TR3". Somehow that just seemed appropriate to me! The adjustable shower poles is an interesting suggestion. That might work well with something Marty suggested to me. Thanks for the idea! Brad On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Eric J Russell wrote: > > Anyone have a 4-post lift that has the trays and if so how well do you >> like them? >> > > Since a four post lift excels at storage, it seems like drip trays are a > good idea! > > I have a Direct Lift ProPark 9 - I bought that model because it has ramps a > few inches wider than other models. This allows it to fit the narrow track > of my smaller cars (MGA, Alfa Romeo) and also my F250 pick-up. > > My platforms can be adjusted out to almost 9' outside edge to outside edge >> and can also be moved together to where they touch each other. That's why >> I've struggled with what to do about leakage trays. >> > > I thought about a lift with a moveable ramp but that makes both drip trays > & > a jacking bridge problematic. > > For your lift with moveable ramps, how about a few spring tension shower > curtain poles? They could be fairly easily adjusted for the varying ramp > widths and could then support a few light weight drip trays. > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 07:27:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1682584CAC for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:27:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895F4258039C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:26:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y13so30722745pdi.3 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:31:02 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/cA4PL8zf24sKE0huZsDKmHiJENo7IlHNhh7r5M4J4Q=; b=cL78lQUbOODzgYiroIprUngCivMXlYJNTdTq4TDJoXgCCMX6HjEwxcjcx8cfWNnAzP BNOM0lG91cRDy2tNj+79bLRLuc0tM7MPKGR7ev8M7ggOAqtulgDCwYuHhHIXlvPmk+6O oHBl4Ri0GcPFbu9aojKczikv9PUREWL+LieZPUYK0yv3eICb2aG0sEB1fRuTY45c44PP 56/KFNAoTiU6blJcntSoY84FuXx7u5pDt9IuXVHe9kwwrJbffOq78ftuymwnhtHGG93h Cf5oReqCiZovQVTnC+vhqPiR9vyXEkFimCLFoSp3FlZr9EIkXpu6CMaw0RKKt9dgEhdS 0uLA== no3mr44094118pdb.18.1421073062452; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:31:02 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:31:02 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Brian Kemp Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, This is another good idea for creating an alternative to drip pans. I've come to the conclusion that I won't be adding the angles at the bottom of the platforms/ramps partly because of all the good ideas I've gotten for alternative drip pans and also due to the interference they would have caused with my jacking platform. I fabricated a platform that drops down between the platform/ramps where I can place a bottle jack. The bottle jack platform is designed for the width of my Triumphs so is somewhat limited in use but I value it more than drip pans :) Thanks! Brad On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Brian Kemp wrote: > How about some 6mil plastic sheeting and a frame of PVC pipe or conduit? > Two pipes will run the length of the vehicle, resting on the platform > inside the tires, and two shorter lengths can be attached to T's as > spreaders. Change the length of the spreaders based on vehicle width. > Thinking something like this (imagine there is no line spacing): > > |_| > |_| > | | > > You could get fancy and put a couple hooks on the inside of the platforms > and set the pipe in them. > > You could make the plastic a little wider at one end so there is slope for > any drippings to drain off. When not in use, just roll it up. > > Should you bump it while working on one of the cars, no danger of it > scratching the bottom car with PVC either. > > Brian, wishing a lift of any sort was a possibility. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 07:45:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F066B2584D35 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:45:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E5A2584450 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ft15so30741035pdb.8 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ANEhOkPR78JUVNYafVhZT5vXl4/GTDjBtago1eVyanU=; b=GP5qoOMZfn+d8PBwnyEpCXN1czpTC25qsz9zHq1DijaEAjAkZyvqS4VrXa18msb0gu LKHghTczeunC+lRtMeWEKz2BR1PYEdQ1dWnQgW1MYZjiQVDl2yXxm5benRjmbTMlv+9F KJRfxji1DHZJNUE/jsuxcgRaIxnxxflRY9AdErg9eMSN7/8CDx3e1JC0Oy095B84a9uv 4TRDtiiiS77rovT7lY7XgqUliZSR+iTnk7z22GX4kfV/Y6lbzzR1IgX/gsiFU/qS5Umg ekCUilQvePFE/zWxTKXis9nxGyP6sfJafuUL5pKhFMDGC38tlKSCVqi0+SoNjKFFCSiH FdqA== ro10mr44984326pab.67.1421074172216; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:49:32 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another aspect of my 4-post lift is the effort required to push the platforms sideways when changing from one vehicle width to another. The platforms are HEAVY and don't slide all that well and tend to bind when pushing on then ends. I've been wondering it would help if I added some thin adhesive backed UHMW strips across the beams and on the underside of the platforms. Would the UHMW strips last and would they help in getting the platforms to slide easier? Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 18:46:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9C62580549 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:46:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6A725802F1 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ey11so431600pad.10 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:50:40 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Psc8AOwvcU/5Lk/dlrYE0c8yTCZHxBuRG9EJGJlEUkM=; b=EYfBZZIIoWPULRlPWzULTm8lpVh1d7aEryoZpS3IeWEhBvzA/3H+yOsaRy3Indi3qW 7pVD1YdiEG8UcV48SZLGf0kd60iB9nphUKUcZ3gS2aco3PcTJq3JyZnLb4c+sxsBEtNx yBXCZQeUXI25mVkz82cO4c4wmRZOwNQhACWUzHepaRhdeSkBGB8h30Rru7MMK9Gcyadk xwbVToFtoEVKiKO40nQjXNVGjtfl5YySUPcNXjTOuV9vhha3k5uBsxaD+zvAhydBswaS r9YalqHL7jt1q0ePvMApk1zQYem1BCmKKDqc/RZf6qab2X/PGrgCvXBBmUi6MbL15oqD 3qhQ== r14mr36758553pdj.148.1421113840544; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.82.200 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:50:40 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:50:40 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Another aspect of my 4-post lift is the effort required to push the > platforms sideways when changing from one vehicle width to another. The > platforms are HEAVY and don't slide all that well and tend to bind when > pushing on then ends. I've been wondering it would help if I added some > thin adhesive backed UHMW strips across the beams and on the underside of > the platforms. Would the UHMW strips last and would they help in getting > the platforms to slide easier? I would try slip plate first. It's a graphite lubricant, designed for sliding surfaces. Doesn't attract muck like greases do, and stays in place pretty well. You can get it in a spray can, or as a brush on. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 11:47:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7D2584D5D for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:47:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B713258016B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:47:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id eu11so12136591pac.11 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LysNnzN99KvhSulGw+9hEoUYBN16lrBNsc4CPTAu9Hg=; b=EhfPm2tem5MHb0DImn8Wkvc1ztEuEzIB+dUp35NdEheKq7FXOmm5r5Xd5d869/z1Ps kjoB4EN/Fn2P2MP9UaHNrgj4lh08xgkuMubRvlqnfK7UyDLicy99S2CF2UWtp+uAhBIW kCypp1I65d0bO70nY6I3hBgABky93IkERw3Zeu8Kax0uPyJjREJCjfGIYz+d55IKznEO 5SIj1RG94J5bIzcvBj97vdLsBK5HSgn1dg+/6DtvSlJO624aDkv4/cS2d8D47Z/YQlZw FXnvak84J6gqmJiCKM/Dw7tp5qCZpholKZtVwPcyb263x2HV26vnYDhzG95fVuqU0VvQ HgZw== wh6mr8034331pbc.18.1421261505115; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:51:45 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: David Scheidt Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David, I'm not sure that slip plate would be appropriate for my situation. I need to be able to sit and/or stand on the cross beams where the slip plate would be applied. I have a feeling things might get a little messy in my shop using that product! Brad On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:50 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > Another aspect of my 4-post lift is the effort required to push the > > platforms sideways when changing from one vehicle width to another. The > > platforms are HEAVY and don't slide all that well and tend to bind when > > pushing on then ends. I've been wondering it would help if I added some > > thin adhesive backed UHMW strips across the beams and on the underside of > > the platforms. Would the UHMW strips last and would they help in getting > > the platforms to slide easier? > > I would try slip plate first. It's a graphite lubricant, designed for > sliding surfaces. Doesn't attract muck like greases do, and stays in > place pretty well. You can get it in a spray can, or as a brush on. > > > -- > David Scheidt > dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 12:11:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81CD258525B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:11:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1347F25848DC for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id fp1so11448085pdb.5 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:15:25 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nYwpp5MIyCpXMknplGVHGl0yjCQ7uztu+twNW95ktjQ=; b=vRWpvBVieTF/TKRffvT/fXHD26AHb1goG5vjOY8fAfG0bMXy58l5FNHm1Xt9Hd/DLp VgKv1irOlPunSdjNqc5OwR/aNgavs3N0taAY46cZ1N5b9+ii423555oBXYW0N1G+AJKk er9bvg1Iaj7gkW9V3yt0bdb9VruxozV99U32n/Hxcv3E0t1yRM97Lc26UOJGNWVKZUsK tlsOX0HSb7Q1gFpOylroGK38Qr5vZ70dGII/V84NANr6fsrg7/nLCh8Kb6canhQ1mloZ Z+vNSdaolxGT1kOpUNMO7N5CNRQt9VJhKUmlTXj78peaoHP95vZGKLtK5B9Xgy4YSJPd fwUQ== x5mr7915134pdl.107.1421262925189; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:15:25 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:15:25 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, next issue with the 4-post lift. The in-feed ramps on my lift were fixed ramps (welded to the platforms) and were only about 16" long. That made for a pretty steep angle. Matter of fact the Spitfire race car couldn't get started up the ramps because of the slick shop floor, the tires just spun on the concrete. I've already cut those ramps off and am trying to figure out what would work the best as a replacement. Right now I'm leaning towards fabricating ramps that are significantly longer but are not fixed to the platforms. My thought is to possibly have them attach with a pin of some sort which would allow me to remove them so they can be moved out of the way once the lift is up in the air. I don't think I would like having them pivot down as they would just be in the way and I had previously hit my head on the original ramps enough times to know I don't like them sticking out! Thoughts? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 12:18:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51322584794 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:18:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A41B2580935 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id pn19so9862159lab.9 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:20:07 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8d4q5ov4auEbNzidK+r82jY/K6E6X7HF9YaRuVDhykY=; b=guhfEdjcFPtd2sgmf4p/mgmj9WDor+TjZo30tWYBtn+jvYVv4i8qCjhps4+WsdaUry vLBe3o9bgFD9diqUOxK4uX9gMqADbzJItyRawbzH8sWUKYbrbLHwl64pwBROBbQAibbA A1RgKhBh9pd0MfChZa2rhcPZtD7JztlHem0lNgm0NKeZJMkRcSfpN22heOibdXMUsNFh kYQ4x/cV/qH/DxI10xXn+29Q5T5xyVcQHJthQeffjNvEVE1dsrkA1vQLJ+CDCpMhvdzQ q3DCKUq5L3qMNqLRqYzNYx4yhz6fBOJuKUN9jDH7ZxH1yThvvqHnt89zU22kEmKhQE18 uPzA== y6mr5824987lbb.34.1421263207194; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.63.204 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:20:06 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:20:06 -0500 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The ramps on my lift "hook" on the cross-member. I don't see the need for pins, since gravity will do the job of holding them down. Here's a link to optional Aluminum ramps for my lift. I don't recommend a $300 set of Al ramps, but they'll give you an idea of how they work: http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Aluminum-Approach-Ramps-pair -Paul On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Ok, next issue with the 4-post lift. The in-feed ramps on my lift were > fixed ramps (welded to the platforms) and were only about 16" long. That > made for a pretty steep angle. Matter of fact the Spitfire race car > couldn't get started up the ramps because of the slick shop floor, the > tires just spun on the concrete. > > I've already cut those ramps off and am trying to figure out what would > work the best as a replacement. Right now I'm leaning towards fabricating > ramps that are significantly longer but are not fixed to the platforms. My > thought is to possibly have them attach with a pin of some sort which would > allow me to remove them so they can be moved out of the way once the lift > is up in the air. > I don't think I would like having them pivot down as they would just be in > the way and I had previously hit my head on the original ramps enough times > to know I don't like them sticking out! > > Thoughts? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 12:18:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4514925846CD for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:18:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18EE2580935 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:16:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wp18so5429713obc.11 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YPS3r377/iCi/WTxGlRskdvodWUpb4zpJZKJ9tpPUSQ=; b=NmxKtizmfAt0jzvaRRswYOdPvKIcn2KwVviVqardo/CAJYDZ7JhRgdrK181GrtjqpE GfqMrargGII2BiwkrRaawncpetNB3dTaC9VcdgCH/vgpaakcXEWTAC2Z0I6Jk645Et1H +cOP4EXkoraFE9r0UWKL+FeZOQtU4S51hTtvN6wW1lC7H9zPeu9IuTnrDV4Hgvdp3I0q 68Reb2X4niEzAzBRerGoy7HRcYFvmT4g0yHgXsKw92gGS8HEiFM99Th6JSi9m4eVLntc uDy8SVq+AZgQUvXFewNzW9jDXipb9tAJ4ZpC4qN/IAaA0/JwZKdc32SkIA0BDG/Ko2Jt AHPA== p8mr3491401obl.81.1421263276486; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.92.134 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:21:16 -0500 From: Larry Spector To: Brad Kahler Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I went with the bend-pak aluminum ramps: http://www.bendpak.com/car-lifts/accessories/aluminum-approach-ramp-kit.aspx they're light enough to just pick up and move out of the way. -Larry On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Ok, next issue with the 4-post lift. The in-feed ramps on my lift were > fixed ramps (welded to the platforms) and were only about 16" long. That > made for a pretty steep angle. Matter of fact the Spitfire race car > couldn't get started up the ramps because of the slick shop floor, the > tires just spun on the concrete. > > I've already cut those ramps off and am trying to figure out what would > work the best as a replacement. Right now I'm leaning towards fabricating > ramps that are significantly longer but are not fixed to the platforms. My > thought is to possibly have them attach with a pin of some sort which would > allow me to remove them so they can be moved out of the way once the lift > is up in the air. > I don't think I would like having them pivot down as they would just be in > the way and I had previously hit my head on the original ramps enough times > to know I don't like them sticking out! > > Thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lspector@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 12:28:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F03258460B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:28:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694FC258042C for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id y13so11556868pdi.2 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FkxN0W4h6Ai8gkw4PPTELGpsS5xf1Zq3IFkXopua7dE=; b=RGsI8SVWwIwd0xFdMPzdycxCk9J40IvSim2SdwrQJbd+Lg/6VxyBst1gAykziq7sbJ v+D0pEmvG9oqLv2bdXXn1DRfVyjoTC816buGoX/sjc1pRZjZAyDQoZdmpxan2QU2St7/ k2ODbclvHARi2+//PX9QEeBc+WPPIO3bp1qI/1SogdJvUBKCwNt9u6UhOfJnWoJID9Wa +0e1nn3/NqwCmu/d4TdtRpO5+ggwp7RUzXcpIx+51XNBk3yDSo5K7kdAI7gadW6rsf+V kRe9ilsSiK9DA9cyA26D8e+1pemJtGaMIkL6NiDgs9IyXhRGlZibmEy78YTbF7YUEobC F8SQ== cj10mr8115564pad.65.1421263974876; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:32:54 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:32:54 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, the style shown in the link won't work for my lift as my platforms hook over the beams blocking any place to hook the ramps. However the ones Larry Spector is referring to would definitely work. The attachment method is simpler than pins and the fab shop down the road can easily bend some aluminum diamond plate for me that should work just fine. Thanks guys! Brad On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > The ramps on my lift "hook" on the cross-member. I don't see the need for > pins, since gravity will do the job of holding them down. Here's a link to > optional Aluminum ramps for my lift. I don't recommend a $300 set of Al > ramps, but they'll give you an idea of how they work: > > http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Aluminum-Approach-Ramps-pair > > -Paul > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> Ok, next issue with the 4-post lift. The in-feed ramps on my lift were >> fixed ramps (welded to the platforms) and were only about 16" long. >> That....... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 07:44:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DA525848F4 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:44:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E262580851 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id y10so5323918pdj.13 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jZkHbsBLqmRJUtv4IWuQd1B4mO4662uvFjcZ/5zfKr4=; b=qKXBGASVKUQ32BHLIa9Kkr27mz6/vEREKLpfS3sYyd+ZJvXwCu6WpuqUVWYAvz3umS 08P23Vagq0BuFM7KK2BxNpbryU/nombpGi0TNIWIOwr181X9O37kSGbLvOLH9z0Tj19f wiaxy2OcUKXw85aHGbgJHBjgiuAnQsBcU64elqPnw3L1bu0SUpseD7Jd43E1OHy15GiJ NLIEWAu8WIIhUxhsoBaGA/wzPvxRo0pyVQN5nHnWqAB2ANueOy9/E90HAHr7VymOqIek NnBrXGGePeEbOqULbCcvBQNTcEYtCod97oxDBMFuEcoGDisr+pDsGAREGAZH5Sm+BLci VtKQ== ze6mr14435350pac.99.1421333341487; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.112.225 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> <1421271561.24691.YahooMailNeo@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:49:01 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: ROBERT LANE Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Robo, My platforms (rails?) are adjustable which allows me to lift small vehicles and large vehicles just by sliding the platforms. I sure do wish Boeing was in my area! Thanks, Brad On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:39 PM, ROBERT LANE wrote: > *I have a 4 post lift. The distance between the inside of the rail webs > is 43 & 5/8" I have 48inch square storage shelves turned upside down > between the tails. to compensate for the slop. I used light springs, > washers & 1/4" bolts on the corners on one side.* > *Note the storage shelves is what Boeing uses for storing all kind of > things. The only color I have seen the shelves is white. They come with > the holes predrilled and ready to assemble.* > * Hopes this helps* > > CATCH YOU LATER, > ROBO _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 08:15:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527A625848F4 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:15:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (ar-005-i205.relay.mailchannels.net [162.253.144.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D16E25805FD for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from ibis.arvixe.com (ip-10-213-14-133.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.213.14.133]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A1F0D100BC5 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ibis.arvixe.com ([UNAVAILABLE]. [10.252.27.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.4.2); Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:20:00 GMT Received: from c-98-253-220-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([98.253.220.190]:1471 helo=[192.168.1.129]) by ibis.arvixe.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YBmDF-0006wo-RN for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:19:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:19:59 -0600 From: Matt Wehland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54AB70B2.4070404@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4-post lift thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The aluminum ramps are pricey, but they sure are nice every time you move them. And they are not toe crushers when dropped while moving or if knocked over. My dad had them and we loved them. Can't remember how many times we used them over the years and said ' boy they sure were expensive, but worth it' At least for us. Especially as dad got older. He is done working on cars and sold the lifts last year, when we had to move the steel ramps from the basement I remembered why I was happy that he had bought one set of the aluminum. Not that you can't lift the steel ones, but the ease of the aluminum was nice. And the steel middle plate for the lift was a bear (set of plates that fill in the middle of the lift for storage). We moved it by hand a few times, then I used the engine hoist once we got it. Only issue was trying to balance it, didn't work well and a lot of weight once it got moving ( I had to move it out of one bay, onto drive and into other bay). On 1/14/2015 1:20 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > The ramps on my lift "hook" on the cross-member. I don't see the need for > pins, since gravity will do the job of holding them down. Here's a link to > optional Aluminum ramps for my lift. I don't recommend a $300 set of Al > ramps, but they'll give you an idea of how they work: > > http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Aluminum-Approach-Ramps-pair > > -Paul > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > > -- Matt Wehland (815) 295-4533 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 08:59:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE780258491D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:59:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2453E25805FD for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([184.105.18.14]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gG3s1p0060JCzvc01G3sxq; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:03:53 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:03:45 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAw3NcEbcXGrpWZRPWmTcY1czBMcA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Laser printer help needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a HP color laserjet 2840 in my shop office that I need to work on. Does anyone have access to one for a few observations? I am having trouble getting the carousel drive synchronized. I think I know the problem but can't find a picture of what I need in the service manual to make it work. It would be even better if someone has the carousel assembly out of a printer to look at. Thanks in advance. Peace, Pat Pat Horne Horne Systems 5026 FM 2001 Lockhart, TX 78644 512.797.7501 We support Habitat for Humanity, A hand UP, not a hand OUT _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 18:46:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8842584B81 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:46:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE6B2584B02 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS4 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:50:43 -0800 From: Marty To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:50:40 -0500 Thread-Index: AdAxLVslXjlS6rxYScChzgr9vv20nw== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[D68C9B20:01D0312E] Subject: [Shop-talk] Lift ramps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have 2 pieces of the industrial grating that is typically used over drain troughs and such. They are like 8 foot long. I drilled two holes in the ends of each one and then stuck two long carriage bolts through the holes. I then drilled two holes in the short ramps on my lift. I keep the two extensions bungeed vertical against the lift posts. When I need them for a low vehicle I get them down and put them in place. Marty _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 19:59:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AC92584986 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:59:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968D925848F7 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FAE273C8F for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 03:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JuE+wFmkMGLF for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 03:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3A0C94A0A8 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 03:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:04:16 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Land Cruiser value Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My sister-in-law's late husband left her an 84 land cruiser (the station wagon model, not the jeep model) in decent shape but with unknown miles at this point. I have seen it a couple of times but never ridden in it or driven it, and I'm not a 4x4 guy. Are these things worth anything, and is there any kind of market for them? She has no use for it but doesn't just want to throw it out on CL and have to deal with the inevitable knuckleheads that will call. thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 20:56:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662AD25849E6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:56:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40E425849B1 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:55:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51782C03F2 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:00:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:00:16 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <54B87FB0.2090401@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Land Cruiser value Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > My sister-in-law's late husband left her an 84 land cruiser (the station wagon model, not the jeep model) in decent shape but with unknown miles at this point. I have seen it a couple of times but never ridden in it or driven it, and I'm not a 4x4 guy. Are these things worth anything, and is there any kind of market for them? She has no use for it but doesn't just want to throw it out on CL and have to deal with the inevitable knuckleheads that will call. Might be worth more than you think. Toyota FJ series vehicles are actually in high demand. The Jeep model, FJ40 is more popular but the FJ60 does have some value. You might do some web searches for Toyota FJ60 and see what turns up. Oh wait a minute, I lied. They are junk. I'll be nice to a Team.Net subscriber and give you $500 if you deliver it to my door in Salt Lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 21:08:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DA02584A08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:08:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4986F25849B1 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:05:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05A7382CF; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 04:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hFMGYdeurHCB; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 04:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A775223B7A; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 04:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:11:13 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Mark J Bradakis , shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <54B87FB0.2090401@frontier.com> <54B88CD0.80701@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Land Cruiser value Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I might be relocating to Logan in a year or so; maybe you could drive up and pick it up... On 1/15/2015 8:00 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Dave Cavanaugh wrote: >> My sister-in-law's late husband left her an 84 land cruiser (the >> station wagon model, not the jeep model) in decent shape but with >> unknown miles at this point. I have seen it a couple of times but >> never ridden in it or driven it, and I'm not a 4x4 guy. Are these >> things worth anything, and is there any kind of market for them? She >> has no use for it but doesn't just want to throw it out on CL and >> have to deal with the inevitable knuckleheads that will call. > > Might be worth more than you think. Toyota FJ series vehicles are > actually in high demand. The Jeep model, FJ40 is more popular but the > FJ60 does have some value. You might do some web searches for Toyota > FJ60 and see what turns up. > > Oh wait a minute, I lied. They are junk. I'll be nice to a Team.Net > subscriber and give you $500 if you deliver it to my door in Salt Lake > City. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 16:49:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3ACE2580159 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:49:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942A625800AA for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:44:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id rd18so1538649iec.7 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:48:30 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kcgQ5wtslVjUdWhee6arXApvKC/HF6s7TIK93oKwc5E=; b=pSZYi7l6x+Q8M/ADE8Nxar5ZlNf0llfyCkawr1ceUvMKaQRwvQpzxCRsXrbH4Lv+TA WoT2HejeiUHw0Elpz/iScchkHU5GO2qej+zCm2JNy3q2tqPWisrgsNKkqFuzaq0tX5O0 NirodCHntVGND8B5khUrDOWIRCKqqOVmRKZhsbLbbU8Kx86qnHmDzUOXbQMMLMy1XhRN Wl2QFmztCuFZCGIUbpIps7vZvjBm3XPjp9lsS2qa5c8B88saTeIXU5ITJYYghHpfkhX9 5DT+MZS4e22DRIDJGKi2w8EwpsOKtC70FPUkuGMjR4IoExDwZC1WqMV8WyKhOorOO4lQ Pp6w== Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.1.139 (107.sub-70-198-135.myvzw.com. 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Je5fG7rkP8QlCk.LQQhFCre_w3ln441NzbMZSVtAbMgUwMX34vZ2NGR968q7 uyXaZE1mhboqAiyzoP4u_BXtLGbFnnQKwBxrMGbaFA.KrTriLBqBhcYk_4T8 .1_IC0MwQ6A3CuBl_DxLt8egQIb85wwRlcB.x20LpJHCd0cx6VSYoT7vSUzK Of7o- From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:07:30 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I needed to replace a fogged up window in a french patio door. in the stationary side. Removed the trim and tried every way I could... the window would not come out... it was glued in to the side of the trim that did not remove... tried utility knife and putty knife and pryed away but didn't want to break it... Enter the Rigid oscillating tool... always wondered what I'd use one for... till a guy in Lowes said to try it to remove the glue on the window... so I bought one and slipped the blade between the window and the trim... in about 20 minutes I'd removed 188" of hard glue and the window was out... these things are handyier than a shirt pocket... gotta find more uses for this bad boy john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 17:41:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B462584A62 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:41:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D424C25805C7 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id rl12so611396iec.11 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:39:56 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rwpur2kEv6NMdovJDnjgu0x/AgNpey02YnXcHqR88BM=; b=Dz5ei1cKR77YF6b/tYvoPyI2TV4+ePCy1IOCzlSqbI6G2X32yW0LA+GdJiKQxEIVEF xWwtTS18yTu5hz541+Un7ZxBJCwfZuWMfFPMnHQY2XC4vyaiuls7nvynJUj1Xudk31bq NA7C/igmf43CudhPJ1cevlfXpU11VpDDAy+BEB2A/CY9sxvUYCYXA885uj7e6waZtPSr Mf8mp2zXawX3Hhn9OiX3xey2Xo4tVB54nlKXZu0UM//Iu6bySiUKYLc/1dZGoiwZFnmA wtnvRQYO9v2pZmh08PVlA6w2cdgV05sLfiofTDKdp74ie3jJHW5pm68NIWYeFjuyZPHE iVFQ== ab8mr25109048icc.76.1421714394693; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 192.168.1.139 (107.sub-70-198-135.myvzw.com. [70.198.135.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g20sm907746igt.14.2015.01.19.16.39.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:39:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:39:33 -0500 From: Brad Kahler To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 17:55:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5332584F0F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:55:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F522580882 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:55:21 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=d2v4cd1XfvltuE5asmWMwD2fMkkctxECPn/SwTwkUZbEA9yE3ynbvxwCKrf50M9O; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.12.43] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YDNAG-0000qi-2W for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:59:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:59:19 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <576AF9FF54B945D6A042B54600503101@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the cheap Harbor Freight version and recommend this type of tool as well. They are great for close quarters where you don't have room for a bigger tool. They also provide much greater control where neatness counts compared to a reciprocating saw. Examples: - Using a diamond blade to carefully remove grout so I could remove tiles without damage to surrounding area - Cutting window casing to remove it without having to remove the window - nice neat line at the edge of the window that can be caulked - Cutting the roof deck so I could get to one area of the attic from another. This was flat on my belly with arms fully extended (low California roof) - Cutting all nails and caulk to allow me to remove an exterior door without disturbing the exterior stucco molding - Cutting studs in the wall without breaking drywall or popping drywall nails to install a new electrical panel - Cutting installed base molding to either remove damaged sections or install wider door casing I am on my second one, but the first had at least 50 hours of very hard use before dying. I had no problem dropping another $20 for a new one. The more expensive models are probably better made and some make blade changing much easier than backing out an allen screw, so that is something to consider. Brian On 1/19/2015 4:07 PM, John Niolon wrote: > I needed to replace a fogged up window in a french patio door. in the > stationary side. Removed the trim and tried every way I could... the window > would not come out... it was glued in to the side of the trim that did not > remove... tried utility knife and putty knife and pryed away but didn't want > to break it... > > Enter the Rigid oscillating tool... always wondered what I'd use one for... > till a guy in Lowes said to try it to remove the glue on the window... so I > bought one and slipped the blade between the window and the trim... in about > 20 minutes I'd removed 188" of hard glue and the window was out... these > things are handyier than a shirt pocket... > > gotta find more uses for this bad boy > > john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 19:43:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20B225800CB for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:43:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBBF25805C7 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:33:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p9so7931362lbv.4 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:37:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RNytCQGA5F2C6f54T3YzGilFnO9m48e4iklH1+hDqkA=; b=VM4WvnWM1mDvWXtxqspMs2RD8SuDn+r5ugvHkAAyuvtF1hXba/kEr1L0jBxsGx03Q0 oxSvLDRZ8EZwxNBzpWgSFcpqrmjZ9Zi0ILRgTXEqBZ/KcnbMYXZgJBNm14JVPFyji1Ra Iy0e2bL0HdB+Kh1If+kCt+7WqX2LONVYdKeEWo4ZHmKOv0oKkWDvQAn6ZjEMLAdhB0Au poUgoUkAcZlUuffsfwmoKmNkJfaueFKFMf/4RCbDATg+lv5iV0L6kqiznQG9e+L6J4GG 27E+yyMlGzXE2RAEPWRgmYuYAwIPpz0MVJakQHCbAopQ1NWCRM0Kj4pD5HyHFzphXq0/ bM7Q== m1mr20122422laj.95.1421721479166; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.147.233 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:37:59 -0800 (PST) References: <576AF9FF54B945D6A042B54600503101@john5043a2d406> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:37:59 -0600 From: Philip Ethier To: John Niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Enter the Rigid oscillating tool... > gotta find more uses for this bad boy You will, believe me. Took out a chimney. Had to fill the hole in the attic floor. Original is 3/4" boards across joists. Cut 3/4" plywood to run to centers of joists. Squared up hole by running oscillating saw along plywood edge. Inlay fits perfectly. -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 06:15:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3081258049A for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 06:15:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442DA2580041 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 06:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150120131926.SCUE27051.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:19:26 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id iDKR1p00N4uwYHU01DKSRR; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:19:26 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=7GWMI4DeFxc1yUWd:21 a=31RIBZz2XGejOmE1:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=sPl4kiMLMbpWxjbs:21 a=sdyAhrlDcpx9L8pE:21 a=hze0g9HkHeTGcBkz:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:12:41 -0500 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" References: <576AF9FF54B945D6A042B54600503101@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 07:59 PM 1/19/2015, Brian Kemp wrote: >I have the cheap Harbor Freight version and recommend this type of tool as >well. .... Brian, I too have the cheap Harbor Freight version, have had it for about 5 yrs or so. It's probably the best $40 I've ever spent. >Examples: >- .... Cutting all nails and caulk to allow me to remove an exterior door without >disturbing the exterior stucco molding What blade did you use to cut the nails? I've tried to cut nails but keep tearing the teeth off the blade. In addition to the uses you've mentioned, I've used mine to help as a scrapper pulling up old vinyl flooring. Cutting through calk to remove a counter top. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 22:25:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C452584646 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:25:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751D925845EE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:05:12 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cmw61K1oCRjUUI5VdWapWZ9CHHcYARH2cuLzQh3vgqpfQLj298iyAG/WQ7aeBmDB; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.12.43] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YDnXi-0008Nn-IY; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:09:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:09:15 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: "John T. Blair" , Shop Talk References: <576AF9FF54B945D6A042B54600503101@john5043a2d406> <6.2.5.6.1.20150120080820.04bbbf30@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] new tool Oscillating tool Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John - I used a regular cutting blade and yes it did destroy the teeth by the end of the door. Still, it was worth killing an old blade to get the job done. Now that blade is a narrow scraping blade. They do have metal cutting blades, but I didn't have one at the time. Brian On 1/20/2015 5:12 AM, John T. Blair wrote: > At 07:59 PM 1/19/2015, Brian Kemp wrote: > > >I have the cheap Harbor Freight version and recommend this type of tool as > >well. .... > > Brian, > > I too have the cheap Harbor Freight version, have had it for about 5 > yrs or so. > It's probably the best $40 I've ever spent. > > >Examples: > > >- .... Cutting all nails and caulk to allow me to remove an > exterior door without > >disturbing the exterior stucco molding > > What blade did you use to cut the nails? I've tried to cut nails but > keep tearing the > teeth off the blade. > > In addition to the uses you've mentioned, I've used mine to help as a scrapper > pulling up old vinyl flooring. Cutting through calk to remove a counter top. > > John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 20:32:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162132584437 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:32:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.192.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3854258059C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l89so29088658qgf.3 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:32:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5YHXE+jVUE4lUc18eEQo4ZyLJucL/LXtlF7NiZkXeKU=; b=ba4KBEZx/ErlI6kywdIq/iK9kwhhbJYgEc5G7XkEmI/fcmoo/UAl1ToPnFM3p1nyb7 pCuks6jjjU3CVKikgWoPATwaYfBfsVpE+/SNDc8ewltxpx0DpB1p76/hCIhdTziwEKWo U8VkKxx2h1sxV968CW4mvXN3ZWWNOo2h4aw6Vlm9JQ7fZipIB6gjVAB49D+gqdaKRedN yMGb2gPGwYWmz1QhFyhOyxACWNsPTHJlpMqaYCByvGXrm7bVU1+Bj5kJ5R3hDn1iz88j vZaxyLrS9DOm0o1TQCluBR4K2H3YTuRLoaiHBrv9ZgCvOYA63Z9crvxrPx4IY48MbA26 rkcg== j34mr70763481qga.12.1421897552901; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.17.53 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:32:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:32:32 -0500 From: Scott Hall To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm asking here because you guys probably know more than anyone on an enthusiast site (and I searched those sites and got no answers). I've got a 2004 F-250 Super Duty (diesel). I just took out the OEM radio and replaced it with an aftermarket Pioneer unit. I bought an the Metra harness adapter and wired it up according to instructions. Everything worked fine...for about a day or two. Then the dash lights went out, along with the dimming function of the radio (so headlights on the radio should dim. It did...then it quit). And the speedometer cluster and the HVAC cluster lights are gone. Then a few days later, the running lights quit working. So when I turn on the lights in the truck, the headlights come on, but not the 'driving' lights, including the rear lights. The brake lights illuminate when the pedal's pushed, but not the running lights when just the lights are on. Googling suggested replacing the headlight switch. I did, no fix. I checked the fuses shown for running lights and they're good. I for nothing after that, and I'm not sure where to go from there. But I'll bet you guys know. Any help? Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 21:00:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78682584AF2 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:00:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B302A25809F6 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:58:28 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=b95smX9jarb1/MLY9CKxJz8w+D7nc+jhbLb/tVEg2wT2aqhZvD2sIrbKDKAHeD3z; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.12.43] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YE8yY-00079A-BU; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:02:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:02:22 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: Scott Hall , "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott - I have no specific experience here, but I'd start by taking out the new radio and harness. This will reduce the likelihood that they are the problem. Maybe putting in the new radio pulled or squashed a wire. Look around the opening for any damaged wires. It is possible something got nicked/damaged and over the few days shorted. Maybe some of it is as simple as a broken wire. Check and see if you find any sharp bends/creases or wires stuck together (indicating heating). Gently pull on the various wires in the area. Maybe an important one came loose from a connector. Check for a ground - it should connect to metal. Brian On 1/21/2015 7:32 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > I'm asking here because you guys probably know more than anyone on an > enthusiast site (and I searched those sites and got no answers). > > I've got a 2004 F-250 Super Duty (diesel). > > I just took out the OEM radio and replaced it with an aftermarket Pioneer > unit. I bought an the Metra harness adapter and wired it up according to > instructions. > > Everything worked fine...for about a day or two. Then the dash lights went > out, along with the dimming function of the radio (so headlights on the > radio should dim. It did...then it quit). And the speedometer cluster and > the HVAC cluster lights are gone. > > Then a few days later, the running lights quit working. So when I turn on > the lights in the truck, the headlights come on, but not the 'driving' > lights, including the rear lights. The brake lights illuminate when the > pedal's pushed, but not the running lights when just the lights are on. > > Googling suggested replacing the headlight switch. I did, no fix. I checked > the fuses shown for running lights and they're good. > > I for nothing after that, and I'm not sure where to go from there. But I'll > bet you guys know. Any help? > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 06:45:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E602580B11 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:45:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2B22580682 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150122134627.BJWV14650.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:46:27 -0500 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id j1mS1p0074uwYHU011mSgs; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:46:26 -0500 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=OYDDn-r906-3-aCe:21 a=hkw7ZbPs4mWYecYW:21 a=GGwxkeRKJ0dr3Umyi5gA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lnji3Ku6BZMA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=9-jy_TOSY10eAH61:21 a=Qs-Aw21X3K-9JLJI:21 a=u4k4Bgn0Mq2YAJzj:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:46:25 -0500 To: "Shop-talk" From: "John T. Blair" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 11:02 PM 1/21/2015, Brian Kemp wrote: >Scott - I have no specific experience here, but I'd start by taking out the new >radio and harness. This will reduce the likelihood that they are the problem. >Maybe putting in the new radio pulled or squashed a wire. ..... Brian, Excellent responce. The only additional thing I can think of is, does the new radio (which will be out of the system when Scott removes I new radio harness) require more power than the old one, ie, does it have a built in amp? If so then it may be pulling too much current and blown a fuse, a fusable link, or melted a run in the dash cluster. Like Brian, I have no experience with this vechile, but I do have experience with the Chyslers mini vans. I know they have a habbit of a problem similar to what Scott describes. There is a cold solder join on the main connector that supplies power to the dash cluster. Hitting the dash will make the connection occassionally and the dash lights and insturment will come back for a little while. You have to pull the cluster to fix this problem. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 07:14:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98428258454A for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:14:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6472B25800B5 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:12:27 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1421936209; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=nvB68PbjEkIao8DwvMqqP6yRM3fCpIwcsMKzdV5p7RLO6doUhe21GkVQY6tgOKSZk qh1Pmb7WXsoDXyuauKwdRDyTjmguVbKKpyRkCAm7NU+CeyJTSoawDoiWJXmFA0wlkn viE7s0aperkhg/jL7yRNa8Jb3QfJ04TKZCuZy5Bo= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail10.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.150]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLNCBUCAXYCNPS for (sender ); Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail10.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:15:57 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:15:57 GMT Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights d ied Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have had really good luck with these folks: http://circuitboardmedics.com/ford-instrument-cluster-repair/ for known weak link repairs... ____________________________________________________________ How Old Men Tighten Skin 63 Year Old Man Shares DIY Skin Tightening Method You Can Do From Home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54c10642deaad6424488st04vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 08:15:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDF92584A51 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:15:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C1B258454A for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:11:32 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:59:17 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/22/2015 09:59:09, Serialize complete at 01/22/2015 09:59:09 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, I'm not sure what it would entail (or even if it's possible) but can you put the stock radio back in for a test? Some of these CAN systems get crazy when everything isn't 100% like it wants. Especially if there are 'tie-ins' from other systems (I think you said the radio dims with the headlights). If it's a matter of removing some dash and changing out a harness, it might be worth trying. If you had to cut and splice wires to do the install, it may not be worth it. Just a suggestion. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 09:15:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267C2584A59 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:15:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C4F2580861 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id wp18so2277009obc.3 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=/thCyu47BKZAQ75ISqI5lUAtAvyuQZ8Kp7I82I6BfnU=; b=DIHYNDVSmCww+hLWDYnlq/9GFE1wtSbVRahiUQoylXOow57DmvxH4/HCLZe25XeNeE GYMXH9nHeblAmBdJsNrARRH1ZGxLCW3lA46ws2d9ZdHwV0naZhFbEnBIsqpVVg9FfX12 DmdQYIYeDAbqW3Qy/ans6knX9fMhxLpWt9Jj6Ua7FTrpeu6YrBiltbEtNbkzzkj1bLeR QFX0EdcqdXYgKsATJus44tZEk7myD0qJMPbvLOcGuz8aBO/OsvpQoDNeMHBbfeQvskZE 7Zuc8BCbyeWTSQy587fJHqTgIQ8pYgJ7sOg7PtjzFw1sSxgJ+JLAnhPM+yu8W5sA9YQw Y7uw== w10mr1463245obf.9.1421943442583; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.180.8 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:17:22 -0600 From: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What Brian said, plus a couple of addition thoughts. If you don't have a wiring diagram I'd suggest getting one. It's impossible to figure out the circuit paths, especially on newer vehicles, without one. That said, I've never seen a car or truck that had the radio display in series with the rest of the dash lighting. Those have always been a parallel circuit in my experience. And I doubt the system is configured so that the radio has to be plugged in for the other lights to work. But without a wiring diagram it's impossible to be sure. I'd pull the new radio and harness adapter and see if that "fixes" the issues. You may have made a mistake when you mated the Metra adapter harness to the Pioneer radio harness. Those adapters often have wires that aren't used, plus some color coding may not match. If you pull the new radio and harness you stand a good chance of things working as they should. I'd also take a good look to see if a wire in either the radio or factory dash harness got cut or pinched. I've bought most of my aftermarket car audio from Crutchfield for a long time for several reasons. While they're not the cheapest, they usually are very competitive, and their customer service and tech support are absolutely the best. The radios usually include both mounting harness adapters, for free, and their installation instructions are the best. Last spring I bought an Alpine to replace the OE radio in the '98 F-150 we bought around Easter. The guy I talked to suggested I use Posi-Twist (*http://tinyurl.com/nonf7qg *) connectors to connect the Alpine harness to the Metra adapter. I definitely suggest these or something similar. So much easier than soldering and heat shrink, much more reliable than crimp-ons, which I've grown to hate. Using these a connection can be changed easily. They are availble from other sources in a variety of sizes and configurations. My one Crutchfield disappointment is the Metra dash kit I bought several years ago for our '05 Accord sedan. And my problem is with the Metra kit, not Crutchfield. The kit replaces most of the center stack in the dash including the HVAC controls. These controls never worked consistantly so I restalled the OE Honda radio with a Spec USA iPod adapter. It looks like Metra has a new version of this kit out which is getting better reviews so I may give it a try. I really like to use Bluetooth to connect our phones to the Accord radio. I can already do that in our Suburban and the F-150 P/U. Anyway, did I mention get a wiring diagram? HTH, Ron On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:59 AM, wrote: > Scott, > > I'm not sure what it would entail (or even if it's possible) but can you > put the stock radio back in for a test? > > Some of these CAN systems get crazy when everything isn't 100% like it > wants. Especially if there are 'tie-ins' from other systems (I think you > said the radio dims with the headlights). > > If it's a matter of removing some dash and changing out a harness, it > might be worth trying. If you had to cut and splice wires to do the > install, it may not be worth it. > > Just a suggestion. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 09:32:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3C82584F14 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:32:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8292584A59 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:31:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id rp18so2295860iec.9 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:36:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=JX0KdFPQdMw3fwK8R9js5MC4ghUH9hSuevwuVZTQ/CE=; b=oRA9xRhQlkdaDpLmNQaSbEMEIMg3MOgp1mvmnWKnDIvgQp2I56cqPQs1uOqE1VvxkJ 0Y2l4nS13ZabM1iw1C0NpiLpdushI3WvPeHWKv+Jj/0Obl3Hb0MxWJbkp9jqskIqleQJ vmODdMv2qyTXieSeXFG5RkdV4R7p0njZqgTKL0ZXM185J9uQ5rHUBZaOKLlAhsjcbntK EjqPbvCZy+hFpl2GrIxsDba+IN9kXZu/gWo7tNNJIOSmu3h/D0fDVdCUWqq5qVi2ZJDi NLVc49r0Fz2+3slpohBI0YZ6V3TcHUX5Dl3d2nSwRRGyoWHJchmWYIxyvd60gagwaVU7 ZE/w== mi5mr5044046igb.13.1421944581693; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.24.203 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:36:21 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:36:21 -0500 From: Trevor Boicey To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I hope this isn't your problem, but I have a 2004 Dodge Durango that had some kind of dash fire at some time. The vehicle would always run and drive, but the dash had a continuous and amusing series of failures for a long time. The entire dash would go black, then come back, over and over like a computer stuck on a reboot loop. The climate control would randomly go off, then reappear. I got it cheap because the OBD port wasn't working so the vehicle couldn't get an e-test. Eventually I got it all sorted out, give or take. But I hope that isn't your problem. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:59 AM, wrote: > Scott, > > I'm not sure what it would entail (or even if it's possible) but can you > put the stock radio back in for a test? > > Some of these CAN systems get crazy when everything isn't 100% like it > wants. Especially if there are 'tie-ins' from other systems (I think you > said the radio dims with the headlights). > > If it's a matter of removing some dash and changing out a harness, it > might be worth trying. If you had to cut and splice wires to do the > install, it may not be worth it. > > Just a suggestion. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/trevor.boicey@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 16:58:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CBF2584A1A for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:58:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88512584A39 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:54:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id fp1so4707635pdb.4 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:58:22 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cfCQdoyQ3lrmz739XOUbEq94SSwCS10ux1lN+RBEQOM=; b=UdmFqQp7VPaDLU8vLgPo6h8rw8iz64Yk5KgdNWQLQUDbDj7p2FqNDx3ZuHjsLV/zzd 9C2amsKt3vVX2BR1NknPAFLtd3duv1PiTgEcIcXmRxf9g9anDt5Yva33mCu8br82CRDq fo5H3+QREnke5LDGlIeRnnGxg1wEot6ePdh6FoajQDVT3csf0zO3bDIdk8ZnNnBrbVnH Fmut29EGBgC66LDMx16YQeb5CjOGnmWqDFNVimr8UyVFZFXfyZEOpWv18MWc4KM/DqaH 1586nQsrdBhNz8Lmcd44WeQvgtXTo13DnyEY5/DWedjjz+/76PLQFVS0xvg5WBlaL1iL cRWw== f2mr6680992pdd.116.1421971102608; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (24-116-64-184.cpe.cableone.net. [24.116.64.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l11sm7178741pdn.46.2015.01.22.15.58.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:58:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:58:20 -0700 From: Badger Mountain Motorworks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk References: <576AF9FF54B945D6A042B54600503101@john5043a2d406> Subject: [Shop-talk] Toyota Land Cruisers . . . Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 18:36:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A8025845FA for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:36:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CEF2580331 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FA3276C4B for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB73276C44 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:37:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:28:56 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.com> References: localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Truck instrument cluster, dash, and parking lights died Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Very common in the VW world for someone to buy a wiring adapter to install an aftermarket stereo only to have the Check Engine light come on and cause other electrical oddities. Problem is, some of these adapters try to put 12v on the CAN bus wire in the radio connector which the computers do not like at all. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 501,000 miles <- Yeah, baby! '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 17:55:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A414C258444B for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:55:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F472580211 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:53:08 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:20:37 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/25/2015 19:40:42, Serialize complete at 01/25/2015 19:40:42 Subject: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, not exactly. My buddy has a 2006 F350 pick up. He called me because the rear brake was squirting fluid. I when up to where he was. Turns out all four (two on each side) pistons in the rear brakes looked like they had been smashed with a sledge hammer. I've never seen a brake piston fail like that before, never mind all four on the rear. Weird thing was the pads on the passenger side were worn completely down and the rotor was shot. The driver's side pads were rusty as well, but had almost all their 'meat' on them. Any ideas what caused it? Thanks Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 17:55:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629CD258462B for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:55:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994F1258042C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:53:09 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:25:55 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/25/2015 19:40:42, Serialize complete at 01/25/2015 19:40:42 Subject: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I'm in the market for an electric pressure washer. I have a gas one for the times I need the extra power, but I really like the convenience of an electric one that I don't have to 'fuss' with each time I use it. I know quality an performance vary completely in this market. I've been all over the internet searching and I can't find any definitive winners. I'm not too worried about price, but I want a really good one (but I'm not going for the Snap on versions or anything. BTW, did you know that Snap On does NOT have a lifetime on their PW. It's a one year only.) Oh, I have a Snap On branded one that stopped working. 8>( Does anyone have any pointers for good ones, or sites that compare them? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:29:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DBB258464B for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:29:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S37.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s37.hotmail.com [65.55.111.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA85B2580211 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W40 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S37.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:34:12 -0800 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:34:12 -0600 References: FILETIME=[F3E19530:01D03918] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any ideas what caused it? "F350 pick up." sorry. couldn't resist. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 20:45:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABA7258466C for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:45:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (unknown [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69B32580211 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:44:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:48:35 -0800 id 00000000002800AF.0000000054C5B913.00001E2C Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:48:25 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/25/2015 7:34 PM, Tim . wrote: > Any ideas what caused it? > > "F350 pick up." > > sorry. couldn't resist. Are they steel pistons? Ford tried phenolic-resin pistons in several applications a while back, and they were notorious for coming apart in heavy use. But it would surprise me a LOT if Ford went down that road in something like an F350. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 03:56:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E0125807DD for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:56:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2622625802FF for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:54:20 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:41:51 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/26/2015 05:41:53, Serialize complete at 01/26/2015 05:41:53 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know what they were made of. Here is a photo of one of the calipers with the failed pistons in it. http://www.megageek.com/photo/photoa~1.nsf/a7ffeab012bbfb5b85256eb1007ca7f6/d1f76fb58c8f84f685257dd9003a7e29?OpenDocument Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson John Miller Sent by: "Shop-talk" 01/25/2015 10:34 PM To shop-talk@autox.team.net cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion On 1/25/2015 7:34 PM, Tim . wrote: > Any ideas what caused it? > > "F350 pick up." > > sorry. couldn't resist. Are they steel pistons? Ford tried phenolic-resin pistons in several applications a while back, and they were notorious for coming apart in heavy use. But it would surprise me a LOT if Ford went down that road in something like an F350. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 04:34:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF3025807DD for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:34:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-5.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.128.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700AA25802FF for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:29:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.25] ([80.42.240.129]) by c3 with smtp.talktalk.net id kbZY1p00Q2oCbew01bZZLP; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:33:33 +0000 a=t3BbQShU86Au5OOo6Z8SQQ==:117 a=t3BbQShU86Au5OOo6Z8SQQ==:17 a=qiJVM4anSgoA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=we7PdF4dAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=v4mVYePDhVFCgbzlyXUA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:33:35 +0000 From: Neil Sherry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That looks like a phenolic type of material (hard plastic stuff). I would say that has been caused by excessive heat and/or time. I had a 1992 BMW that had the waterpump impeller made of similar material - they work fine at normal temperatures, but if there is overheating (for example when the radiator or a hose fails and the coolant escapes) the resulting overheat causes the impeller to crack and fall of the end of the waterpump shaft. Neil On 26/01/2015 10:41, eric@megageek.com wrote: > I don't know what they were made of. Here is a photo of one of the > calipers with the failed pistons in it. > > http://www.megageek.com/photo/photoa~1.nsf/a7ffeab012bbfb5b85256eb1007ca7f6/d1f76fb58c8f84f685257dd9003a7e29?OpenDocument > > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > > > > > John Miller > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > 01/25/2015 10:34 PM > > To > shop-talk@autox.team.net > cc > > Subject > Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion > > > > > > > On 1/25/2015 7:34 PM, Tim . wrote: >> Any ideas what caused it? >> >> "F350 pick up." >> >> sorry. couldn't resist. > Are they steel pistons? > > Ford tried phenolic-resin pistons in several applications a while back, > and they were notorious for coming apart in heavy use. > > But it would surprise me a LOT if Ford went down that road in something > like an F350. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 07:44:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E69C2584D0B for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:44:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailback1.g2host.com [209.98.94.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CB72580A19 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [168.94.245.18] (account arvidj@visi.com) by mailback1.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.3.11) with HTTP id 1219793; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:48:16 -0600 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:48:16 -0600 References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 09:00:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5D52584D43 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:00:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E6025807A2 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:01:02 -0800 id 00000000002800AF.0000000054C664BE.000052DD Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:01:02 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 1/26/2015 2:41 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > I don't know what they were made of. Here is a photo of one of the > calipers with the failed pistons in it. Yeah, those are the phenolic pistons. What year was this truck? Are those the original calipers? Automakers will claim they use them to reduce heat transfer from the pad to the fluid, and this may be one consideration, but they are also much cheaper than steel. The biggest downside, of course, is what you've just seen, whether due to heat or to physical damage. If this quote: 90% of all Ford cars and light trucks now come with phenolic brake pistons, and 100% of Chrysler production is equipped with phenolics. GM is starting to use phenolics also. from this document: https://my.cardone.com/English/Club/Products/Brakes/Protech/Training/brake2.pdf is true, I think we're all gonna see a lot more of this. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 09:32:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4565025846A5 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:32:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15D9F258465B for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:32:47 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1422290231; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=brrKlvOStXxUzyyU/OQtY6UecMLcZ/iiD9mGVuZx7hXjt59Fq/xZJ70lwaRf1x4Fz DELVnA8ykWn//r8z4MrGtfA25My9k/3qBFN9eKK6s9uDYbVEgpb5Ml8mWblXu5iM9q la72gHqWWl626KMoREb7bXMT3R8qsqvk429w3vyo= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail10.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.150]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLNN5JPAN9B9QA for (sender ); Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail10.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:35:04 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:35:04 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good link! Excellent googleFu... ---------- Original Message ---------- From: John Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:01:02 -0800 from this document: https://my.cardone.com/English/Club/Products/Brakes/Protech/Training/brake2.p df is true, I think we're all gonna see a lot more of this. John. ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54c66d0db8b896d0d643ast03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 09:58:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E312584F4A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:58:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BC258444D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id s18so8780641lam.5 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=fqXl5s1puHRFyI7w05DPO/iAMSZdAgid8anrsdmCZYM=; b=p76imScqJSVoskQ9IdKXwjau0qk6kAAbSGy0reGPqq63cFTlvDQnmAuwFoexGd45TI J4LPnuHSmN3S7Dlm9RA/r8E3MHBlAdkWdDY17c4KjGWfcmdbBNfxZlwmzCLZASF2VVfN e/7Ylt2d2eLs+LwhUfbJdqwqp1j97Fc/jNAm73lQsWHJR3zBtFZFXaX8RaPkrRz0j6mI laAZxpDrOORTit/ioY9StvW/x9VnH8+d/7QGeC8tk3jF1JmqSumQwEsyEot1MRnqd4EP 8nqdhx17KmToLADYSDtOeItvNIg4qdo6Pb8hSn2ZMmuel2PR4ROm82/wzZVkIJca/13W L4Kw== Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.169.16 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:01:23 -0800 (PST) References: <20150126.113504.28934.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> From: Miq Millman Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:01:23 -0800 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" , eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to the note I sent you Eric, there is apparently a TSB on rear calipers sticking. http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1090527-f350-rear-parking-brake-sticking.html I couldn't find it here for your specific year: http://www.fordproblems.com/tsbs/F-350/2006/ Though 2011 has two listings: http://www.fordproblems.com/tsbs/F-350/2011/ SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:DISC:CALIPER Date Reported MARCH 01 2011 NHTSA Reference #10039049 TSB Reference #AS-21800 Description: FORD: 2010-2011 F250/F350. THE FRONT OR REAR BRAKE CALIPERS ARE STICKING. INFORMATION ON REPLACING THE CALIPERS. *RM Repair Information for NHTSA #10039049 SERVICE BRAKES, AIR:DISC:CALIPER Date Reported MARCH 01 2011 NHTSA Reference #10039049 TSB Reference #AS-21800 Description: FORD: 2010-2011 F250/F350. THE FRONT OR REAR BRAKE CALIPERS ARE STICKING. INFORMATION ON REPLACING THE CALIPERS. *RM Repair Information for NHTSA #10039049 -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Matt wrote: > Good link! > Excellent googleFu... > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: John Miller > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:01:02 -0800 > > > > from this document: > > > https://my.cardone.com/English/Club/Products/Brakes/Protech/Training/brake2.p > df > > is true, I think we're all gonna see a lot more of this. > > John. > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat > This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54c66d0db8b896d0d643ast03vuc > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 10:05:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E073D2585016 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:05:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8A12584D8D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:05:24 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:52:52 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/26/2015 11:52:57, Serialize complete at 01/26/2015 11:52:57 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Disc brake piston explosion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you SO MUCH to everyone (Esp Miq with the TSB links.) I passed this on to my buddy and he'll have to contact a dealer. I doubt he can get re-embursted for the parts (and my labor) for fixing these. 8>( Again, this place ROCKS!!! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 10:08:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472F2585264 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:08:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992EE25845F7 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:08:32 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:55:59 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 01/26/2015 11:56:05, Serialize complete at 01/26/2015 11:56:05 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the reply Arvid, but which one were you talking about? To make things a little easier, here are the ones I'm considering. Any votes (yeah or nay) for any of them? http://www.ebay.com/itm/271615464798?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/271615583339?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/261516202847?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson "Arvid Jedlicka" 01/26/2015 09:52 AM To , cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) I can offer experience based on a sample size of '1'. I have this one and have not had any problems with it. It is the only pressure washer I have and that is 'by design'. I did not want to hassle with maintaining yet another internal combustion engine on a tool that I use sporadically. I will admit that there is a 'cord' hassle factor but I have a 25 foot large gauge extension cord that I use for the welders and another 25 foot smaller but appropriate gauge extension cord, plus 50 feet of pressure hose so I can get anywhere around the house that needs attention. Again, sample size of '1', maybe not the best, or cheapest or ... but it has worked for me for many years. Arvid _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 10:28:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A512584E6D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:28:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailback1.g2host.com [209.98.94.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33FE2584ED6 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [168.94.245.18] (account arvidj@visi.com) by mailback1.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.3.11) with HTTP id 1222720; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:25:19 -0600 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:25:19 -0600 References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 13:59:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828CC2580994 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:59:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [69.56.236.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B63258047D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:55:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 39B733B1E480A; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:00:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1413B1E464C for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:00:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YFqlU-0003qt-H2 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:00:08 -0600 Received: from 72.5.190.133 ([72.5.190.133]) (proxying for 72.5.190.133) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:00:08 -0600 References: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:00:08 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pressure washers (electric ones.) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I often rely on the reviews on amazon.com, even when I'm not buying there. This one: http://amzn.com/B00CPGMUXW appears to be the highest-rated one on Amazon. Scroll down the page a bit and you should also see "compare to similar items" section that may be helpful. Read through the reviews and you'll get a feel for what people like and don't like. Lee On Sun, January 25, 2015 18:25, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I'm in the market for an electric pressure washer. I have a gas one > for the times I need the extra power, but I really like the convenience of an > electric one that I don't have to 'fuss' with each time I use it. > > I know quality an performance vary completely in this market. I've been > all over the internet searching and I can't find any definitive winners. I'm > not too worried about price, but I want a really good one (but I'm not going > for the Snap on versions or anything. BTW, did you know that Snap On does NOT > have a lifetime on their PW. It's a one year only.) Oh, I have a Snap On > branded one that stopped working. 8>( > > Does anyone have any pointers for good ones, or sites that compare them? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 09:30:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828692584FD2 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:30:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com (mail-oi0-f47.google.com [209.85.218.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAE6258014F for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:25:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id a141so28422973oig.6 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:29:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YvnAgAoUU1Qfqh2PToNl5pdU9tMKdu5CDE3VqHJ6VqM=; b=rivgnmih4zvH8YJEFMZGJZ2WlEkd9PswtYHblGwmPZQaAzRA056dTG/c9xOs4XRtd4 k8urA0B9eLqNOLHydToc5qMFbRmJ4nU5X/0HkNfiyKCy80fxhM9VtrkhXtbvLm/o7LLz qNkd834MuBVXXqsZ708/p+bAIFkrmT13IYzpixXIAbLwsycY/DJP1i3SwpHMjOWowwtR XjbM1xI+2fhtaa059KOYGWHME5TJ/JYn9HfFMIDALezbwWDkw0yUcxOx++etlBaYmVq8 k7MX8Bdg7sFCPr4YrmDyjMUPKUIA1uBpG73yG/mv4HcKuykeZU5j/RxV5U4S7fgkPaL/ yTSQ== Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.180.8 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:29:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:29:51 -0600 From: Ronnie Day To: IMUG Maillist , Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] OT - Exede VOIP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is anyone in the group using Exede for phone service along with I-Net? We're using Exede for I-Net at our new place and have been using a Samsung network extender in an attempt to get decent cell connectivity. That's working, sort of, but we've got a couple of issues. First, there's some noticeable latency/delay, I'm sure due to the signal making the round trip to a sattilitte in geosync orbit. Secondly, using the network extender functionally runs our phone calls and anything else we do on our phones through the satt based I-Net which counts against our data allowance. I not looking for alternatives to the Excede I-Net. It's the best option we currently have. I'm looking for better phone service. At $20-$30/month their VOIP option is far cheaper than a land line and I don't mind paying that, if it works. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive