From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 12:33:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D4025855E1 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:33:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S13.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s13.hotmail.com [65.55.111.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07FC2580468 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W1 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S13.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:09:58 -0800 From: marty To: shop-talk list Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:09:57 -0500 FILETIME=[0FC26360:01D010BF] Subject: [Shop-talk] Grade 8 UNF threaded rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody know of a source for a foot or two of 3/8-UNF grade 8 threaded rod? I checked McMaster Carr and all they have in grade 8 is UNC. Thanks Marty _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 13:39:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67767258457F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:39:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9DF25809A9 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id y19so1815875wgg.28 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rLcH7sc73s3qQ8j9Eiqas/fBWifoQhV9pBKOvQ3vi/s=; b=oElJo+Oa/wy5sS6zS0TD8cVRzD9tp3BVQ104n4y4pzhsVYQPKOeHFLO2fj2OlKN1Fb naqjXqOtdW/lCK9m6Nru+UjgXbbptz0JOZt1WtN6UwY8qhWpKE+IyRX16CQDTp5VXkvX ZLx0Eggz1Ny328ryqnFbaYMX6wYzcjLeta9WEryFI8Ehbt1nB76e5yITq3oM8UMksZB/ vL/odptW4Qjy275XEOTfAI6Z5ILGLo+b65DoaA/vI5ss3YplwgX5Ck/O6vd7q1yljI7j MdgWUtsjXmQGT5Yz0JI+WQ5FGbTE3NvtAquk8huhmZ8OHfgXcO3odZY6j3tXj4K8MNHz bXfA== ft4mr26856635wjc.76.1417810849079; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.115.201 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:20:49 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:20:49 -0600 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: marty Cc: shop-talk list Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grade 8 UNF threaded rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Check "Fasnall" , I bought NF Grade 8 rod from them before. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM, marty wrote: > Anybody know of a source for a foot or two of 3/8-UNF grade 8 threaded > rod? I > checked McMaster Carr and all they have in grade 8 is UNC. > > > > Thanks > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 16:11:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18E52580313 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:11:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441E12580975 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:64118] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 52/36-29844-37532845; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:45:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:45:07 +0000 From: Randall To: marty , shop-talk list Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:45:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grade 8 UNF threaded rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- marty wrote: > Anybody know of a source for a foot or two of 3/8-UNF grade 8 threaded rod? I > checked McMaster Carr and all they have in grade 8 is UNC. Seems to be remarkably unpopular, for some reason. I poked around a bit, found two places that list it, but neither one looks hobbyist friendly. http://goo.gl/bwrM8E http://goo.gl/a1jwaf HTH Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 09:34:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EB42580B8A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:34:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB93C258081D for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:05:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55121] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AF/51-09956-F3A23845; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:09:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk list'" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:09:34 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAQ4VfFRnRZnb5OTG6zkUMuBi0GqgAjPENQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Grade 8 UNF threaded rod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: > Seems to be remarkably unpopular, for some reason. I poked > around a bit, found two places that list it, but neither one > looks hobbyist friendly. > > http://goo.gl/bwrM8E > > http://goo.gl/a1jwaf Sorry, the second link is bad. You'll have to go to http://www.hbbolt.com/ And search from there. Or just contact them directly, as there is no price or way to order through the web site: Harrison & Bonini 1122 Harrison Street San Francisco, CA 94103 (between 7th & 8th streets) Call Mon. through Fri. 7:30 AM - 4:00 PM PST Toll Free: 866.442.2658 In California: 415.861.8300 Fax: 415.552.0796 Email: paul@hbbolt.com -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:08:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC02584E43 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBAD2584590 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:49:37 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:37:58 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 12/08/2014 15:38:01, Serialize complete at 12/08/2014 15:38:01 Subject: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the house.) I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if possible.) Any ideas? TIA Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:08:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BA22584EA0 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CB825806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:53:47 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:42:10 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 12/08/2014 15:42:10, Serialize complete at 12/08/2014 15:42:10 Subject: [Shop-talk] Since it's been quiet here, I'll add a second questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, on my plow tractor (a Hustler 275zero turn) I have flood lights to be able to plow at night. Here is the problem, if I run the lights, they work fine at first, then they seem to 'short out' the ignition after running a while. Problem is, I can't find the short. Is this most likely just a shorted out wire, or is it possible that the alternator could be causing a problem? What are some troubleshooting steps I can take? (Darn, I really wanted to fix this in the summer, but now I've already had to plow 3 times here in NJ!) Thanks Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:52:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBF52584CCE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:52:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93DF25806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E554A20806D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:33:15 -0800 (PST) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=OeBq0Snkp7rX0wCsbOD6zF1iq9I=; b=RUdUtsWxdGAU k7Vm2Blbe9zCeYC/jeLRmrxkhmA6T9ht2xdNs7Wz2qM3EFF+RmSpLFdslIjCHwPD ZN3xRvtNWviZj2Y08zvYl8shxH+eyzSUxd76KJpYbvrNfs2Sc4p7Vt0l2FbE5/eh 3TffXGvqobT4wPNSYr5j/duPmhaUivg= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-98-216-48-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [98.216.48.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2576208058 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:33:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:33:17 -0500 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop-Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How much is the extra hardware? I can't think of any solution that's easier than writing an extra few $ a month into my check... What do you do for music out there now? Many things that play music have RCA jacks in the back for input from a CD player, etc. You can certainly find something at a garage sale/craigslist. Does your internet come through the dish too? I remember them offering that ~10 years ago, in which case their box should have some outputs you could tap off and hardwire out to the garage, but how much would burying a cable cost? jim On 12/8/2014 3:37 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. > > I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able > to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the > house.) > > I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, > but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and > second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. > > Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I > don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if > possible.) > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:52:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C562584CF7 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:52:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com (gateway06.websitewelcome.com [67.18.22.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DD625806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 95D7F8FDABD89; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:34:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com (gator4190.hostgator.com [108.167.189.15]) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE5E8FDABD52 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:34:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.111.216.187] (port=31093 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5wm-0001EH-2B for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:34:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:34:23 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know you didn't ask...but I totally love my Sonos speakers out in the garage, best purchase I ever did for the garage. Replaced a old stereo with Sonos, now I control them via my cell phone and can listen to any music I want for free. mike On 12/8/2014 12:37 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. > > I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able > to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the > house.) > > I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, > but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and > second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. > > Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I > don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if > possible.) > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Eric P _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:52:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7FA2584DFC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:52:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A501E25806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:31:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id R9bC1p00c0l45Le019bDVv; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:35:15 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: , References: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:35:10 -0600 Thread-Index: AdATK7QcvmHfQaq5QEmlxrb0l17rmAAAt+rA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't have experience with these as to range, but they should work as long as the transmitter and receiver are plugged into outlets that are on the same side of the 220v coming into the house/shop. http://stereos.about.com/od/reviewsandrecommendations/fr/Powerline.htm The other way is to use a FM transmitter in the house that can be picked up in the shop. Don't have any experience there either. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 2:38 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the house.) I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if possible.) Any ideas? TIA Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 14:53:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F402584E46 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:53:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5BF25806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id R9dL1p00k0l45Le019dMpm; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:37:21 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: , References: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:37:19 -0600 Thread-Index: AdATK79vEJy5gugtQdGRUls80m+SkQAAyClg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since it's been quiet here, I'll add a second questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like the alternator is not able to keep up with the load of ignition and lights. If it is easy to take the alternator off, take it to a shop for testing. Check the specs on the lights, add about 10A for ignition and other options and compare that to the alternator specs. You mght need to go up to a larger alternator, or dimmer lights. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 2:42 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Since it's been quiet here, I'll add a second questions OK, on my plow tractor (a Hustler 275zero turn) I have flood lights to be able to plow at night. Here is the problem, if I run the lights, they work fine at first, then they seem to 'short out' the ignition after running a while. Problem is, I can't find the short. Is this most likely just a shorted out wire, or is it possible that the alternator could be causing a problem? What are some troubleshooting steps I can take? (Darn, I really wanted to fix this in the summer, but now I've already had to plow 3 times here in NJ!) Thanks Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 15:09:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4572584EB2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:09:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4E25806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:41:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wo20so4341861obc.27 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4N3ag9ZnHUxtpPkpYiz4HiNR9/P8Fm4Ogif2/K39CoA=; b=iopNOVOVSAeE0byhBxeODriJrPOz5SbsMJIN548q2/aj6MuxbjWZFwVrtgapWeyCnV TLve9f00f3f12B1/P8X2kWEbwKLm3sBfDIHgvXFvYUKtU0EtG+LlLwcbqweoRlHHmX3m qWMQPhfdm2am8NfcXQ0Umr+rGOHZzw8ehTF+Wk2qWFcwqW1r+/nFofKpyPkc71EtrAMJ T1fvIMD5qVGf+G4ApIWClDqBPENH9fSGL7Vx0aMDbaNq5/LE/lcy0myvQD8ZLiaoeABF HWW4oQT2pYAFwUFnr55u5NtkNcNeg9+UWvykGtxK+YpbZE+Yc4whi7pjSk0JZIDzpR/d i0fA== o3mr8310986oif.120.1418075109128; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.86.137 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:45:09 -0600 From: Ronnie Day To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Depending on how you have the DTV box connected to your TV(s) there may be an available audio line-out on the box or TV. Get a wireless TV transmitter/receiver setup (*http://tinyurl.com/mmzo7er *). Then you need a powered speaker in the garage with line-in. Whatever you do make sure it's returnable if it doesn't work well. Ron On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. > > I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able > to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the > house.) > > I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, > but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and > second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. > > Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I > don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if > possible.) > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 15:10:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962612584F0B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:10:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF25325806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:59825] helo=cdptpa-web15) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 7A/40-20217-01C16845; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:45:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:45:52 +0000 From: Randall To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 21:45:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since it's been quiet here, I'll add a second questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, on my plow tractor (a Hustler 275zero turn) I have flood lights to be > able to plow at night. > > Here is the problem, if I run the lights, they work fine at first, then > they seem to 'short out' the ignition after running a while. Problem is, > I can't find the short. Some information about how the lights and ignition are wired would help. Also, what happens when it "shorts out" ? Does it start again as soon as you turn off the lights? Is the battery dead afterwards? Normally, a short in power wiring (like to the lights) results in wires visibly leaking smoke, so this isn't likely to be a garden-variety short. But, it might well be that something is overloaded and going open when it gets hot. Could there be a self-resetting circuit breaker in the circuit? Do the lights and ignition get power through the same switch? Likely the easiest route forward is to plow with the lights on in the daytime, and then immediately start troubleshooting when it dies. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 15:10:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2E2584F02 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:10:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BE325806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y20so5446568ier.0 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:54:37 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=185bZU1/KV/pt18dWmWmlgcnGQcpbanY9h4PD0kou3E=; b=aNOqGCDBHocA+wzADLCJPV6dRaVywyCrX5WaDcX3tuY4HEVOeFbqBN2WBkkiZGp7Tz 0vF4+xX5/2j+ipbu5OT2B+Pk02mG/Sgv0klP7EBZk9kN4r5nrj+KOsvY6aV+L/K3YKnx B98nsGFRqFisWB90iJFcFfhvKUxpyiYvpy3gMtcBA0QQ93ScmQEw7gMm6K1vSaV0NzSS PYe0GvjBVoiqAvqukQEjA3QEfTy7w5EVtrKxp2RIry10kBjLwQ4PkAxZu+aWcricgg16 25C5PtrfELnpbSaVTTDZOmAQkVy6uwMoJUH36uq7WhVRxzjVjSIgeOU1iWv7bsnxxomh xZUQ== sd5mr6223392igb.40.1418075677094; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.11.8 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:54:16 -0800 (PST) References: From: Miq Millman Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:54:16 -0800 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This might work: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.filmon.android.aff38906Te&hl=en I would point you to the old rabbit tv USB device, but it looks like they have moved to the 21st century and are striving to collect anonymized (and real personal!) data for profit and only offer web services based system. -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:37 PM, wrote: > OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. > > I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able > to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the > house.) > > I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the garage, > but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and > second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. > > Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I > don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if > possible.) > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 19:53:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3302580995 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:53:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6932580838 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id nt9so4997637obb.5 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:38:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Q5R554D/AYJ1pHiIP1orJahuNss+gaig/4Zj2djMtL4=; b=okyBcvv7PT8F2TukAY88GYMy9klS/xpRVhJhccN/CYu4BO5/S+gT6m096Ia4dfmmK3 /rBhwz1OmNDp0BMdWBAYSM1/WPFFE7ZQv13sbOBSgGujE1Rm79N0sIg7YFwiGRhilHWJ Da/I+kM1VBl9yrrlAoJb85oKpxU8Gapc4UTzQxdYfRECqAFYb/xIBwErVYEb5BJLwmve oYyxiInxRVJRvHUK4wL6UNqFDtSL1Qmic75cVKxTHk0UoBCrr539ECqiN4wJSe2ppjIx jNKt8AeU1b5VDuLiagUjqBJmu7gKjY7CGInqOC0LT1blpOwumIx1ztL0RSztyPtdzeQF Yx+g== u82mr9041878oie.24.1418092708977; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.108.198 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:38:08 -0800 (PST) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:38:08 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Music in the Shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would simply find a line-out on the receiver and attach an FM stereo transmitter, like you'd use for the car, or like a Ramsey Electronics FM-25B. I currently use a little frequency-agile Belkin that I popped open, disconnected the 3-inch wire it was using as an antenna, and attached in its place a 30 inch wire. It covers much more than just the homestead now, though not so much that it would catch anyone's attention. DirecTV's music is now mostly XM channels - if you have a separate XM/Sirius satellite subscription, it likely includes internet streaming, so a computer (or your phone) in the shop could stream the audio without tying up your single receiver. -Peter On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Miq Millman wrote: > This might work: > > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.filmon.android.aff38906Te&hl=en > > I would point you to the old rabbit tv USB device, but it looks like they > have moved to the 21st century and are striving to collect anonymized (and > real personal!) data for profit and only offer web services based system. > > -- > __ > Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com > Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:37 PM, wrote: > > > OK, I have an question for those that may know an answer. > > > > I currently have Directv. I love the music channels. I want to be able > > to get them in the shop (a detached building about 100' away from the > > house.) > > > > I know I can add another dish and receiver and have service to the > garage, > > but that creates two problems. One, I need to have a TV in there, and > > second, I incur a monthly fee for the additional receiver. > > > > Is there a way to broadcast the signal from one of my TVs out there? I > > don't need to change the channels once I'm there (but it would be nice if > > possible.) > > > > Any ideas? > > > > TIA > > > > Eric P > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > > Waldo Emerson > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 11 12:59:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF82B2580A73 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:59:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F24258068A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:59:17 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1418328190; bh=odORtiT49FljksHXsvKEtlsKfTTo16BoURL9Ey5TQ/8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=xAHr6x3rb2BKeA8THwi6QLL7bcsapRlTRtFZGY71PRyOCFkYm8hevfN7XXQZ+eZvoQlhbHR9QnidC3BqdNODG5FI130BIF5LR5zC6lg0HmmWoWTFesvPXJCA8779txoKv5Tz1cRcFh53aXkyu5rgNG570PiRQO7vHAXqffORp5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=wpqoEVHo0wOU08Y00W292kKaf0bH5JrKnVXc+WPXRSqhbjw4R/oTCG4EXvzeC7F7OGU2WbjiDj5Ft6FmDOxyFiglXlIBRt0+QxjVRqTvGJhyKzoH0vr04FjItrcAz3TTrn0gShv0KLvDtiBx6e/niVw2WKe90iP3uxYqH3Yl/hA=; Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 20:03:10 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.113] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 20:03:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 20:03:09 -0000 poPN7Bync7XpS_azOPw3o7fnY4HJusjBTfGmWrlHHJP2OFwHaURHQnxRT6ol 2YcXYTGOMQrtLdogWf7229.apOjtWYQJTtfKfmLARMpH5DsZhkc6UrM7DYsn St34cueI_cON4BB0UWIJR_VRQwrA8jCtjJcnL1kwpY2EWWcrQa7wWxSkMjU4 YZAevbdzQndax4cGDBspofzSjvxtPGPitnCmPSlcJ43WzHxkXRAaTBTabnAf bAAippwpfAR3elXoP4UizAkzfeIF_n52HdVtG0laL9hNzg1QA_PJKphI08Kj FlvWDvXkaUt59FSwvpdcgKWEuuZZUZaSgvyV536JQ7tzyJXsALq2dUpXpZG7 ClDK1hQcdvptdOnYgYUEOFXfYzkjweTHuH1LwQ9dt8JflJDXtqQJavt5672Q 0E_LyJAU6OW5iZfS7KIOJafZDMVt8TpYBVYmLRoSKi7KaIsj.m6QVvRf6167 _TKhfusSj2uBaK9oyfYD2Wh.otspwhKweWw-- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:03:43 -0600 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] floor options for new slab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So back to the old standby, shop flooring... I am building a welding studio / track car shop behind my grrlfriend's house in Austin. It is 16' x 32', and I just got my slab poured on Tuesday. Had to pump the 12 yards of concrete, and it was a lot of work to manhandle the hose, but I think they did a good job. It was power-troweled to a smooth surface, and is nice and level. I had always planned on an epoxy floor, but I have just been told that I have two issues: I have to wait 6 months for the slab to fully cure before I epoxy it or it will bubble, and second, that I don't want an epoxy floor where I plan to weld. I do tig welding on a welding table, but there are falling pieces, sparks, plasma cutting, and so on, and it is suggested that this will eat up the epoxy very quickly. So I saw a concrete paint at a big-box, and my neighbor is having her floors stained, so I would welcome yr thoughts and advice on using either paint or stain? I've already tried the plastic matting approach, which I don't want, but what about linoleum or vinyl tiles? How about laminate - it would look good, but will it work ?? I think it would have to be glued down, as it doesn't seem like floating it on the pad would work. Very excited about this project! Thanks! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 11 13:28:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD0625848A3 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:28:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com (gateway16.websitewelcome.com [69.56.180.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B562580987 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id BB2482A65B8D8; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:29:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com (gator4190.hostgator.com [108.167.189.15]) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10F02A65B89C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:29:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.111.216.187] (port=49611 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XzAMg-0001QY-9L for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:29:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:29:33 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5489F89F.7050501@att.net> with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] floor options for new slab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Unfortunately, I would go with paint. I say unfortunately because it wont look as good as epoxy or staining or tiles but it will hold up and be very easy to repair. Of the 2, epoxy or stain, stain is the most weld splatter resistant but hardest to repair when the time comes, the repair area will have a different color. I have Racedeck tiles in my shop and I LOVE them, in my first shop I was MIG welding and burning up tiles like crazy (Racedeck will replace damaged tiles) they are not in any way weld proof (duh...they are plastic). In my new shop I left a area of bare concrete where I do most of my welding and plasma cutting now, I also moved up to TIG so a lot less damage. I put down a welding blanket on the rare occasion that I can't move my project to the bare concrete welding area and it works. A bit of a pain but its a hobby not a living so I can take the time to put the blanket down. I left a 6'x6' area bare concrete in a corner as my welding/metal working area, I find most of my stuff I can move there and weld. I did a exhaust system for my daughters car a few months ago that was MIG tack welded on the lift with Racedeck underneath and a blanket on the floor, then removed the exhaust and finished off the welding with TIG, the benefit was a much better looking weld on the bench then done under the car, it was a pain to work in that 6x6 area with the long exhaust but it worked. 90+% of my stuff is small enough to fit on the welding table so I like my setup. The last option that you did not mention would be porcelain tiles, they will hold up to most weld splatter with some discoloration, properly put down wont crack when normal things are dropped on them, of course they will crack if you drop a head because you know the head will land on its corner (and knock off a chunk of the head, big oops) but even cracked they look good and they are cheaper than Racedeck assuming you are doing the labor. Kind of easily replaced also when you break one. I plan on doing porcelain tiles in my welding area to match as best as I can the Racedeck pattern, been planning that for a decade now :) Mike On 12/11/2014 12:03 PM, steve hochschild wrote: > So back to the old standby, shop flooring... > > I am building a welding studio / track car shop behind my > grrlfriend's house in Austin. It is 16' x 32', and I just got my slab > poured on Tuesday. Had to pump the 12 yards of concrete, and it was a > lot of work to manhandle the hose, but I think they did a good job. It > was power-troweled to a smooth surface, and is nice and level. > > I had always planned on an epoxy floor, but I have just been told that > I have two issues: I have to wait 6 months for the slab to fully cure > before I epoxy it or it will bubble, and second, that I don't want an > epoxy floor where I plan to weld. I do tig welding on a welding > table, but there are falling pieces, sparks, plasma cutting, and so > on, and it is suggested that this will eat up the epoxy very quickly. > > So I saw a concrete paint at a big-box, and my neighbor is having her > floors stained, so I would welcome yr thoughts and advice on using > either paint or stain? > > I've already tried the plastic matting approach, which I don't want, > but what about linoleum or vinyl tiles? How about laminate - it would > look good, but will it work ?? I think it would have to be glued > down, as it doesn't seem like floating it on the pad would work. > > Very excited about this project! Thanks! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 12 16:02:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E372584625 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:02:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CBD258451C for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E729837A06B for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:04:34 -0800 (PST) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=ITvtjWMmO+/A0t0mnG+i2YOb 428=; b=bUDFONOD9IiAg3LIYqvlmoC8r380s0iPOw1OQSXWfKjxuReuN80xgs3r p4KFd3/Bidfy8StnN1b1068hvFIU6qV3Wxm6ivLxs6lfTTQN1ABrDnrf5+P2Twuq xy8aYcaURSY3PWWH/QrDZ+EstsjZ6hv/OkdfNy4AbM8BVLGNCj4= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-108-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.108.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB1B137A065 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:04:33 -0500 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop use for no-longer-non-stick pan? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm about to toss this overheated teflon skillet, unless there's a reason to keep it around? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 12 16:51:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B49C2584553 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:51:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAD8258080D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:51:06 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MFeHL1PupiE/vPHdGh3W9AvA6kJVeC5OyRDV3OoVAkn6K2Ez3mpU//fuxSRk42Kg; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.9.161] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Xza2r-0008PW-HO; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:54:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:54:09 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jim Franklin , shop-talk List References: <8C2C9D20-8179-4DDC-B18E-7270F669BC7A@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop use for no-longer-non-stick pan? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 1: Simmer old hinges or similar parts that were painted. The paint will get really soft and come right off. I keep an old pot for this reason. 2: Put it on the back of the garage door and use it for target practice for spitballs. Brian On 12/12/2014 3:04 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm about to toss this overheated teflon skillet, unless there's a reason to > keep it around? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 12 17:00:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD042580B0E for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:00:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAE525803B5 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Snz61p0064vw8ds01nzVGl; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:59:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id SnzU1p00B06FvTL01nzV97; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:59:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:59:02 -0500 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jim Franklin , shop-talk List References: <8C2C9D20-8179-4DDC-B18E-7270F669BC7A@groupwbench.org> s=q20140121; t=1418428769; bh=/1S/2pdHn4/9B9oOdhUzu1JCvbEMk2+a0oBR+V4JDtE=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=P+iYSBtBN+h6d0zAJqkQA2Hi7GBhhStHJiPAQhr+36+wGAOTo4LD+VqgxCCMJa0gX OxxgI1vOMCn2sYaXGPPFa6OZJUTPRBh0dXqBUOXhka2xUoWrsfVIifhxpH7+xk7nsT ls+7IE9okxUnsv0piP9jesrjBK/a+XEGh81TeD6WIm9hQko98nY15128jTdEcBpfU4 CSoCPOzr+4G0luSsJAZ94bYTvXV5WZU3VuhG+pXb2aCGhTlEO7EJm1qugtWDd/uLv5 gJA6Y2e/+elTWACj9bNK7qdYb07H+k7VajgBokwDikKeBHiAUJkh0cj5i1uTnYKXUB uHHxAlQLbzwuA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop use for no-longer-non-stick pan? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/12/2014 6:04 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm about to toss this overheated teflon skillet, unless there's a reason to > keep it around? Sand burning wood. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 12 18:17:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04532580876 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:17:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EAD2580792 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:10:47 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1418433280; bh=jItxM0fK9nw3MZXbAZ4IaObEOPWuTfWHVk+tm/KuBkQ=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=QkQ3RB50IZcgKfQxIxvbButM6dXxnauntdzkbzDAzZ87NmOvh82VyJAqV9Zg5aDyVTViQFx+IGaN7UY7dWPwoMuaShWLMNG4aaOl+F+lLNbVePxJCVVS+dB4rvB/Fov3uEIwG+J9RKhbewRMLCUsXD1gW1lVIbKi4fS3oWAhDog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=BAoxmRPR9dgQH5iwJeR6BZiI7E3qO1DpBcRQIw0FYbNvcelR/wgXzW79wXNgcD16EZGBW/BJIhrNmIgXVzxJkWSssAjL0Qs6w0EI234fxm2IESBcNAmKFH5xfhtb2sni+HPd9PrrmyXxcPCBQGs+YomM/WrQZ3otzb8yMmo/lyE=; Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2014 01:14:40 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2014 01:14:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2014 01:14:40 -0000 r97qRzJA2lJ1QpSgZQe8SjfXscQQa8Vv2e3YpottzmbK6hTPEEwUplZZhGUE oy5N0AR6EPX.oWTa06Cx.Tl_EQ2dzhrU3VSu9Wdn31sQjrQHOWgZVwK63Lpk .1s4kUy.NW6GWBuCStFY_bSAKOTvamPk66ZGLOxPwQd_2CR850F75JbwoRvl sHA677CzGtELSgbpDW7Ol3Gek_lkHFoEIQti2VMMOx5RY7y0kFq4fq8ND3Rl x.l8yijzY.ZVrBrCrZl80FFFIoljcofq2CogozUsi.N5jgnH1A4oiCVVHk4b m6Rvv3mgbypglUy2pJXWOsiaWOKOSmnHYWLkujdOild6WBqEl.FzbK4nm0HR VeDTAK5AgV5dZ8ftcEhvosxmoJkd0kfG5morEbaZHylqEkXnde.mFWvUic_. gUOWxSYfVKaE46kHdrcq6v3ed6volXWc_MW0Kx8shUxZMYWvc_81fGMq9lDM FeB8CPAosLXlBBmLJyvpZk_wuDYAVDDQqIG0z_g9SUORjHgc1CPpZksJLSh0 Y2sinOkHyacpF9IqpHbdIPsn24SX9qzF9k_xqErr.Marh3Q-- From: "John Niolon" To: "Peter J. Thomas" , "shop-talk" References: <8C2C9D20-8179-4DDC-B18E-7270F669BC7A@groupwbench.org> <548B8146.9010604@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:15:38 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] r-non-stick pan?question ???? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net if it's a non-stick pan... how do they get the labels in the store to stick to them ??? john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Thomas" To: "Jim Franklin" ; "shop-talk List" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop use for no-longer-non-stick pan? > On 12/12/2014 6:04 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: >> I'm about to toss this overheated teflon skillet, unless there's a reason >> to >> keep it around? > Sand burning wood. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 12 20:32:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61077258451D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:32:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE6125806B8 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259C428EBF3 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 03:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2sAEtPwu2TQe for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 03:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 81BF04A09B for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 03:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:32:33 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk List References: <8C2C9D20-8179-4DDC-B18E-7270F669BC7A@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop use for no-longer-non-stick pan? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a number of old/retired pans and skillets in the shop. They eventually come in handy for something, and if the stack gets too high or cumbersome, just recycle the most useless. One use for an old large-ish saucepan: cooking my sandblast cabinet media over a propane hotplate to drive the moisture out of it. Also a soak pan for citric acid solution for de-rusting old hand tools. And I have melted a bunch of lead in old cast iron skillets, but not recently. On 12/12/2014 3:04 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I'm about to toss this overheated teflon skillet, unless there's a reason to > keep it around? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 18:37:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80687258443C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:37:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s25.hotmail.com [65.55.111.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B249D2580AFC for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W16 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:41:03 -0800 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:41:02 -0600 FILETIME=[05666700:01D0173F] Subject: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find out who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 19:05:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A268825844C1 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:05:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6168025805EC for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:02:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D353273886 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id MPLK+FNvFwtY for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 054654A05E for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:06:37 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dake is made in the USA; professional grade presses, with a price to match. On 12/13/2014 5:41 PM, Tim . wrote: > I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always > learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. > > The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find out > who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. > > Thanks > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 19:23:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD80F2580B24 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:23:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s35.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D4E2580712 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:23:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W14 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:26:48 -0800 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:26:47 -0600 References: , <548CF0AD.9000006@frontier.com> FILETIME=[695784F0:01D01745] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net "with a price to match." ....if you can find one I guess. Am aware of Dake. But one looks at their web site and cannot see/get prices. I really hate that. > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:06:37 -0800 > From: cavanadd@frontier.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? > > Dake is made in the USA; professional grade presses, with a price to match. > > > > On 12/13/2014 5:41 PM, Tim . wrote: > > I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always > > learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. > > > > The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find out > > who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. > > > > Thanks > > > > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 20:22:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5142584450 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:22:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F6A2580582 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34B52C0623 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:26:15 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: Shop Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This may take me a while. I remember a few years back looking for a tubing bender to do roll bar fabrication at Bailey's shop. As I recall one company also had some press frames. If I remember I'll post. And on a totally unrelated note I may be posting some hand tools and such for sale as I continue to slowly work on cleaning up the garage. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 20:40:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295722580712 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:40:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838D325805EC for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0536273A13 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id T6xP41ZPMCKK for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 582E030C05D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:44:48 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk References: , <548CF0AD.9000006@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net They probably don't sell direct. Google "Dake hydraulic press" and then click on the "shopping" tab. On 12/13/2014 6:26 PM, Tim . wrote: > "with a price to match." ....if you can find one I guess. > > Am aware of Dake. But one looks at their web site and cannot see/get prices. I > really hate that. > > > >> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:06:37 -0800 >> From: cavanadd@frontier.com >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? >> >> Dake is made in the USA; professional grade presses, with a price to match. >> >> >> >> On 12/13/2014 5:41 PM, Tim . wrote: >>> I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always >>> learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. >>> >>> The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find > out >>> who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 14 09:22:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631B82584547 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:22:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B3025844B0 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id TUSG1p00A4VKuxU01USGz2; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:26:20 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Tim ." , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:26:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Funny you should ask. Ibm selling my 15 ton Wagner (US Made) press. Itbs used but decent shape. Moving after 34 years and the new shop will be much smaller than the one I now have (2k sq ft). Looking for $200 if you can pick up (Itbs broken apart for easy transfer). Now, if only you lived in the northwest part of the NorthWest! Garage sale next Sunday.... Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Tim . Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:41 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find out who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4794 / Virus Database: 4235/8731 - Release Date: 12/13/14 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 09:55:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE372584803 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:55:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com (gateway16.websitewelcome.com [70.85.130.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778062580728 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 8660F34513CEC; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:53:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5E734513845 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:53:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Yta-000Joz-NY for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:53:18 -0600 Received: from 57.80.144.6 ([57.80.144.6]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:53:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:53:18 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] who makes a good press? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net MSC has a good selection; I see a small 10-ton for $300 up to a 150-ton for $20K. (!) see here: http://goo.gl/VQLjae -Lee -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 12/13/2014 5:41 PM, Tim . wrote: > I am looking for a good American made press. I am a clueless but always > learning amateur in my shop and the time has come to get a press. > > The boss wants to get this for me for Christmas but I told her I will find out > who makes a good one and then she can get me a gift cert. > > Thanks > > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 16:13:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520D125844F7 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:13:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2691A2580B06 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:06:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CCF2C062A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:10:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:10:39 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Machinists - need parallels? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=179 And as I did last month when I offered some Triumph stuff for sale, 10% of the profits will go towards my feeding the hungry program - http://bradakis.com/fill_pot.html mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 17 11:32:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAD42584BA6 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:32:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA29F258447F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:26:10 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1418841007; bh=rKFa+j6zb+NJcmIiQzykGG0zEw7s5u4NJd5gtheymq8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=wzn7SUwsgCYi5y03plO9RLN3tu52kCYDNsqx92SJ37apmdwV8udp14pOy1qUwmJ5IXGHJaDxBqGoU0c1Fd8flhYcwlk4TUz8BRFEdSdzztorcuHSNJe2N6Aripm6r8PMSkYHiNfOKF+Df0celEKgqKCEStFy4MCVsr2mFVzeW9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=MZdofeg8603cfQf/xiGtEDKrPOEbVWKMX1GYstHVXlZExfKVubQfS3ersZCFqI47OTOSgMpkyyuafh6riWGTq7jqeTMzFdTbzQfyF8SHjmkhlLOcR/nlTyjeI/HClRuuFJ0WTmYCL612qFk+4iofx8/DL0Frm4Rir1QTT2G+50k=; Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2014 18:30:07 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.116] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2014 18:30:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2014 18:30:07 -0000 DvLHFS8367X0qsG6CF8SEtWSba.9cPkWlGcKVKeDqMmOZ6EAYl1WtNeOp7Eb FZfgHBHRVvxBVoBfm3utg8_05vltps7GzWdCGWXF6w8tfiQnd31OcFzZqOwp cOTfFSQ4vKtKJrUQZK1Agz2kvBce7AV8YSENBBteJYh4ETi6GbvzV3ORmFmk hMMUDbMcOVs..IJqn4E7.dO27QHaS3IDNmmkXiVXIAn7q1hNHnAA5DTwF.9R GNpyn_XRr3vMRV8rZvZODLZGRg_cuIH44ww6usu.id.1WADVGfa8UQ_g0nu5 58mrN7SKWbuFKMKrYkSp2vz0.gHHyG1vEO2mFbqcTNsfKXkugxZf2CaqBsji WJ6_4iEXPGQoRMpzQpaxYZBBTCEbn6ka8h9UAx9tRc5FQfdXi134qSi92mUH YYGCvFST5tppp4tTHtx_tymE5mK0dAyC9IfCX1W3Je5dMT7AxLom218_sOUj C_T1c3vGHlYHvTC6qVgmFqkiDOKhDmq6BPGut Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:13 -0600 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: 'Team shop-talk' References: <5491CADF.5080808@att.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] floor options for new slab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for this helpful response. I think I will end up with the paint, as you suggest - a big factor is that it going to be the least expensive approach. I like your idea of keeping an open space for welding and cutting, and I had not thought of protecting the floor with a welding blanket. Can porcelain tiles be laid next to each other, with no grout line? I had not considered a tile floor as I need to roll casters across it. On 12/11/2014 2:29 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > Unfortunately, I would go with paint. I say unfortunately because it > wont look as good as epoxy or staining or tiles but it will hold up > and be very easy to repair. > > Of the 2, epoxy or stain, stain is the most weld splatter resistant > but hardest to repair when the time comes, the repair area will have a > different color. > > I have Racedeck tiles in my shop and I LOVE them, in my first shop I > was MIG welding and burning up tiles like crazy (Racedeck will replace > damaged tiles) they are not in any way weld proof (duh...they are > plastic). In my new shop I left a area of bare concrete where I do > most of my welding and plasma cutting now, I also moved up to TIG so a > lot less damage. I put down a welding blanket on the rare occasion > that I can't move my project to the bare concrete welding area and it > works. A bit of a pain but its a hobby not a living so I can take the > time to put the blanket down. > > I left a 6'x6' area bare concrete in a corner as my welding/metal > working area, I find most of my stuff I can move there and weld. I did > a exhaust system for my daughters car a few months ago that was MIG > tack welded on the lift with Racedeck underneath and a blanket on the > floor, then removed the exhaust and finished off the welding with TIG, > the benefit was a much better looking weld on the bench then done > under the car, it was a pain to work in that 6x6 area with the long > exhaust but it worked. 90+% of my stuff is small enough to fit on the > welding table so I like my setup. > > The last option that you did not mention would be porcelain tiles, > they will hold up to most weld splatter with some discoloration, > properly put down wont crack when normal things are dropped on them, > of course they will crack if you drop a head because you know the head > will land on its corner (and knock off a chunk of the head, big oops) > but even cracked they look good and they are cheaper than Racedeck > assuming you are doing the labor. Kind of easily replaced also when > you break one. I plan on doing porcelain tiles in my welding area to > match as best as I can the Racedeck pattern, been planning that for a > decade now :) > > Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 18 22:53:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FB72580994 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:53:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B772580912 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A346273BEA for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zRhboZD-6UMf for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.153.81]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C1F5B9405B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:57:42 -0800 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a high school shop teacher, both wood and metal. Each shop several emergency stop switches connected to a shunt trip which trips the main breaker in case of emergency. In most shops these are big red mushroom head switches, but when they built my school nearly 30 years ago they ran out of money and so my E-stop switches are center off SPDT toggle switches. Moving them either up or down from center will trip the shunt trip. The problem is most of them have lost their covers, and they are easy to bump and trip. Toggle switch covers are pretty easy to find, but so far everything I've seen is for single pole switches and the cover forces the switch in the off position (or in the "on" position if you install the switch upside down). Does anyone know of any toggle switch covers that just cover the switch and don't force the switch into any position? Thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 05:19:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976B12580B46 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:19:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAE425807B0 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:17:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id rp18so581956iec.38 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:21:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=erdhLIb4XMkzW1L4YcopCYKpLo3NvlqUj7vxdz/JPu4=; b=x+96T9zg7nwOmfQU5n1BhB0+X+YefUHdTzyHRPB0pa+vetIP9OjYEt6SGKvrJexISJ /TiY/OCgAOXtst/mz0xkL4xEc1gGJKh9QNbesaUGEgjv3nJSq1k4kB48qlohbIlHLYXC BdWqZMZjMhLCjMmvogyHh6EZcCDzU5GVelTMV18aQlwQ9dYEDi4QZU5VlF7OwVNJPxzu g2k+3oLrChVPIj2RmHTgWfdJZL6IRSWvKTbq62BJDkTQ8hkW4igpKB0ddK/bmVyntTsH qTfqKDlZ5ZFwPKamu1S7XW4qOFbzEc1AnNQiho+LEVBvQyo1TpMgDQWd4JSMfXkzNmWq E5Ow== z7mr2643116igl.36.1418991709344; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.233.2 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:21:49 -0800 (PST) References: <5493BE56.40600@frontier.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:21:49 -0500 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Dave Cavanaugh Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > In most shops these are big red mushroom head > switches, but when they built my school nearly 30 years ago they ran out of > money and so my E-stop switches are center off SPDT toggle switches. I can't help you with the toggle switch cover, but... If this is an emergency stop button, it seems like having to fumble for a cover and flip it up to toggle a switch is a less than ideal solution. A proper mushroom-head E-stop switch is as cheap as $13 from Automation Direct. I know that schools are chronically underfunded, but it's not as if you were asking for new equipment, just new equipment to improve the safety of the students. http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pushbuttons_-z-_Switches_-z-_Indicators/22mm_Metal Just my 2 cents... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 07:13:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C225844B5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:13:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f49.google.com (mail-qg0-f49.google.com [209.85.192.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C40258044F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id a108so673542qge.36 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uJ3nHo7Thd+JjklWdyFHJ/tlOVQ0UjGlkb+ITPHo2h4=; b=c3hPJfgoQs7+Dy/PWAdGRkGZAoFIYLQ736A4LMYbFWqYdP7b3JM2vzj3AtFNqCb0zy CUMNqhqJ8km41MvaWS+fW/T7i0gcH8xsmGNb7LIGE64lexsn3UvTr3crpuYJlLZ0nOby Y2w1uvolrgJGkCmMLhabXWsHosiDGxPZi266rxbpSaiRUTt7kD0Kmg6BJcDg+IrBUqYr iJf6gmID4lpo0puocHThO1tkpxT2nxqxT74t0CYkZ5a27HCjALwo7Gx953zaxXtgsiPp 6P2LIYIvtrubrybqQ18JP93sefULOQPAGsc0+tdFvFg4xIdJz4FmavxOYQvLtsIT1K7Q J9fA== j4mr14086327qaz.58.1418998613250; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.99.98 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) References: <5493BE56.40600@frontier.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:16:53 -0600 From: John Innis To: Dave Cavanaugh Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You might want to use a guard instead of a cover in this application. You can find them online but that would be silly. I high school shop class can make these pretty easy. Just get some moderately sturdy aluminum sheet (0.043 or 0.032 should do). Cut a circle out of it (a hols saw works great for this application) and then bend it into a U shape so you have a rounded aluminum guard on either side of the toggle that will prevent accidental operation but still allow quick access in an emergency. End result should mimic this: http://www.aerospecialties.com/aircraft-lavatory-service-equipment/lavatory-cart-parts-supplies/lav-trailer-parts-tanks/toggle-switch-guard.html On 12/18/14, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I'm a high school shop teacher, both wood and metal. Each shop several > emergency stop switches connected to a shunt trip which trips the main > breaker in case of emergency. In most shops these are big red mushroom > head switches, but when they built my school nearly 30 years ago they > ran out of money and so my E-stop switches are center off SPDT toggle > switches. Moving them either up or down from center will trip the shunt > trip. The problem is most of them have lost their covers, and they are > easy to bump and trip. Toggle switch covers are pretty easy to find, > but so far everything I've seen is for single pole switches and the > cover forces the switch in the off position (or in the "on" position if > you install the switch upside down). Does anyone know of any toggle > switch covers that just cover the switch and don't force the switch > into any position? > > Thanks > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 08:50:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAA12580BC2 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:50:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811472580B7B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55024] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 44/1B-21237-E9944945; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:51:58 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave Cavanaugh'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:52:01 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAbULfgLCdZv82ZSwiNirCNMHAPmgAGQ8wA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > you install the switch upside down). Does anyone know of any toggle > switch covers that just cover the switch and don't force the switch > into any position? Would something like this work? http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/Asset/GT-4X.pdf I was going to suggest fabricating a guard, but I see John beat me to it. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 09:05:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845C0258461D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:05:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway13.websitewelcome.com (gateway13.websitewelcome.com [67.18.68.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9432580B9D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 0153C4C7AC7A; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:07:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator4190.hostgator.com (gator4190.hostgator.com [108.167.189.15]) by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BE54C7AC1A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:07:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.111.216.187] (port=12038 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by gator4190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2056-0003kh-LC for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:07:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:07:07 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5491CADF.5080808@att.net> <5491CBB5.9040100@att.net> with any abuse report Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] floor options for new slab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I dont think they can be touching each other without grout, I think they would crack but I don't know for sure. mike On 12/17/2014 10:30 AM, steve hochschild wrote: > Thanks for this helpful response. I think I will end up with the paint, > as you suggest - a big factor is that it going to be the least expensive > approach. > > I like your idea of keeping an open space for welding and cutting, and I > had not thought of protecting the floor with a welding blanket. > > Can porcelain tiles be laid next to each other, with no grout line? I > had not considered a tile floor as I need to roll casters across it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 09:37:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3212D25845E5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:37:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B012584438 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE06E206 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:41:02 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=5Rn1d418QwZaHR/jNeC4NktvC2c=; b=sVSOb86TCbU0 oIH51I5q9PE8v4nF//n/PtGJs1PQ/e2WMShXKugTFfOy1CrxsuxG3qL1qEtOeXSi AMqfxiAdtedQQP2RB/dDhklWEqq0rkmrOMY8SCTz9w9N8jn+JpkqFvv5Rfa8sQ2h dno4gnhrbTpkEzLYzSsRmJooogm0Vdo= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-108-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.108.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67713E205 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:41:01 -0500 References: <5493BE56.40600@frontier.com> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen flip-up guards (really weather protection) for outdoor power outlets, but they were horizontal and may have been integral to the outlet box. Maybe they exist for vertically mounted toggles? jim On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:57 AM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I'm a high school shop teacher, both wood and metal. Each shop several emergency stop switches connected to a shunt trip which trips the main breaker in case of emergency. In most shops these are big red mushroom head switches, but when they built my school nearly 30 years ago they ran out of money and so my E-stop switches are center off SPDT toggle switches. Moving them either up or down from center will trip the shunt trip. The problem is most of them have lost their covers, and they are easy to bump and trip. Toggle switch covers are pretty easy to find, but so far everything I've seen is for single pole switches and the cover forces the switch in the off position (or in the "on" position if you install the switch upside down). Does anyone know of any toggle switch covers that just cover the switch and don't force the switch into any position? > > Thanks > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 23:27:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2D2258462A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:27:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E092580973 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-15v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.239]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ViWq1p0015AAYLo01iWyfK; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:30:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([50.136.216.173]) by resomta-po-15v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ViWx1p0013l30Gq01iWxUp; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:31:03 -0800 From: Mark Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: s=q20140121; t=1419057058; bh=ZABKYlR9J10QZFQx6tlndl1wIAvLYDCKa1fCESaXO1w=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To: Subject:Content-Type; b=qovUkmgp07VGGRyqHpuOGjLWvszmpzsJrx7gWGChXUb2K6I5+UnRKtNbzxjDBEGO1 s77LYAQ4FKhw0Fr0oUrGejLgUOJllBpoLazdH4ygQzTxedyTRecv2Pg3rkz6zf3Ny1 Znczj3NTLP2NNhKKXhtBOdGD42XrX4Y1ivZx50v9wmunZbqLgpJjAUyFMx0roN3uen wm68a0q0++qUil32zoaUiQ96dc1bsAsX2Uz2igZUv/1yDFcElJn+dVVQZgZ+r2Ek2R FP7b/CGgftHAQK49Qdu6JQH6VNr1PHArBtnCh6KXvTpht9ajpOglikv+wEeDXmrJcW //4LeZB61e9NQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Do not add any covers. In fact, take off any covers that you still have in place. If you add guards and someone ever gets hurt from a power tool then there will be the question of whether it would have happened if the guard was not there. I recommend either leaving it the way it is and tolerate the occasional accidental power reset (seriously, how often does this happen?) or buy the right kind of safety switch. McMaster Carr has them for thirty bucks and I'm sure you can find them for less elsewhere. http://www.mcmaster.com/#6741k41/=v3n3ks Dave Cavanaugh wrote: To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Toggle switch covers Message-ID:<5493BE56.40600@frontier.com> I'm a high school shop teacher, both wood and metal. Each shop several emergency stop switches connected to a shunt trip which trips the main breaker in case of emergency. In most shops these are big red mushroom head switches, but when they built my school nearly 30 years ago they ran out of money and so my E-stop switches are center off SPDT toggle switches. Moving them either up or down from center will trip the shunt trip. The problem is most of them have lost their covers, and they are easy to bump and trip. Toggle switch covers are pretty easy to find, but so far everything I've seen is for single pole switches and the cover forces the switch in the off position (or in the "on" position if you install the switch upside down). Does anyone know of any toggle switch covers that just cover the switch and don't force the switch into any position? Thanks Dave Thank you and Regards, Mark Miller markmiller@threeboysfarm.comMessage: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:57:42 -0800 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 12:34:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4009625856BD for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:34:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB97825853B4 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Wj2F1p0062Udklx01j3pGc; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:03:49 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-108v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.142]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Wj3p1p00U344CVN01j3pFB; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:03:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:03:49 +0000 (UTC) From: watsonm05@comcast.net To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net (Win)/8.0.6_GA_5922) Thread-Topic: Coolant in Oil - GM 3.1L Thread-Index: gxMM76s2QQiZssj5HDf0XSXp40KuaQ== s=q20140121; t=1419275029; bh=XbTa8LCpNpPpcz0Ag49unXY/uDoP5Cf/3/jbSQrEenc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VPhHxTKxCjpf976s00mZlRyC0RXVPBAvck5qmCFQamAAgGkWbh8LUJUoqWD9ufAZs K4ulYxAOIhFuG9kbHXzCQRGkOoMytMpZIRKl2TBGpzDDDD9U+mDWQKJF8IKyWFc3yP 6BgZLDOBi2wuiWDyc1fP6iXGKiPbntWEuKn9hlceBrn+v1gBhhZ81DlGaG3R69XpLy 906w4o3SxxkHVo0KOswBOD7qBrHnoEeInRK0keuVO5V8yI2l6LY7/yrsEE1H9gS8+w kXmeBEWC6j1HXJI83UVtJ2aK6stVlWLvAkN3hkhK8JVrDF8jFragjkk2LiQVZJ8OMo UWt8mwDkSzg2w== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Coolant in Oil - GM 3.1L Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, B Good news - I successfully finished replacing the lower intake manifold gasket on my '95 Buick Century 3.1L engine.B So far I've driven it ~40 miles with no issues.B Oil change planned @75miles. B Thanks to allB who replied and special thanks to David Scheidt for his very helpful detailed suggestions and Joe Szwed for his good luck story. B In case anyone is interested here's the break-down: B Minimum parts: Gasket set (Felpro) B $72 Intake manifold bolts $24 ------B Sub-Total ----- : $96 B While I'm here I might as well replace these because it'll never be this easy again parts: Heater Hoses & clamps:B B B B B B B B B B B B B B $51 Serp belt & plugs/wires:B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B $56 PCV Valve:B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B $4 Antifreeze & lots of oil & 2 filters:B $70 -----------B Sub-Total -------------- :B $180 B -----------B Grand-Total -------------- : $275 (might not add up - I rounded sloppily) B >From trolling around the web to get an idea of what it would have cost for this job I've found from $700 - $1200.B Looks like I save at least $500 by doing it myself and the satisfaction of a job well done.B With luck I hope to get many more years & miles out of her.B I'll probably be driving this to work only which is ~7k miles/year.B If I can get 10 more years (70k miles) out of it I might be able to retire without having to replace it. B Next project: put a new timing belt on my daughter's '04 Chevy Aveo - this isB her big Christmas gift this year.B The reality of car ownership is certainly teaching her good life lessons. B Again, thanks to all. B Mark Watson 1956 Daimler (long term resto) 1965 Ford Falcon (getting back on road after trans replacement) various transportation pods (including this one ;-) B _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 15:59:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D7925855AA for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:59:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ACA2584742 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:57:35 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:45:27 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 12/22/2014 17:45:48, Serialize complete at 12/22/2014 17:45:48 Subject: [Shop-talk] Re-enameling a cast iron sink Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if we talked about this here, ever, so here goes... I obtained a beautiful old double kitchen sink (white enameled, cast iron.) The coating is worn after decades of use. Is there a 'DIY' method of recoating this? Would powder coating it work? If not, does anyone know how to find a reputable service for recoating them? OB SHOP CONTENT- If I get this one refinished and installed in the kitchen, I can move the current DEEP double sink to the garage! Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 16:47:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2642F2585748 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:47:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1E12585436 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475E140112D30 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:49:45 -0800 (PST) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=3zlVQYYR+j7eK+7CpA8h2bsLNMs=; b=LcSqjr1HMc1Q AYn6TdrxhsVRR1CJztTwyYm//wT0u6MWqWCJ7JFtqZqpjp/AmGxudycgz9H7cT6C Izhaer4auvU/Gz++TuCFCOEyGTLrwYMoZSF2xqCagcreAinWWDfRDwUMhm/tQRW6 9+T4bRYWkTZmM1clDAadd+bERoJO2CU= Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-98-118-108-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.108.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 159C540112D2E for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:49:43 -0500 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Re-enameling a cast iron sink Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know people have tried to re-do their claw foot tubs at home, with mediocre results. But if the sink is portable, you may have better luck. jim On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > I don't know if we talked about this here, ever, so here goes... > > I obtained a beautiful old double kitchen sink (white enameled, cast > iron.) > > The coating is worn after decades of use. > > Is there a 'DIY' method of recoating this? Would powder coating it work? > > If not, does anyone know how to find a reputable service for recoating > them? > > OB SHOP CONTENT- If I get this one refinished and installed in the > kitchen, I can move the current DEEP double sink to the garage! > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 17:48:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90C025849A3 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:48:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995872580873 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:45:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.pops.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE793276CB7 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9587A276CB6 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:30:19 -0800 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> localhost.pops.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Re-enameling a cast iron sink Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Google "re-enamel bathtub" or "re-enamel sink". Looks like there are plenty of DIY kits and professional companies that do this. Also saw many discussions on various websites talking about the process. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 497,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 12:31:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A9C2585F66 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:31:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849252585BF6 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:07:43 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1419621107; bh=7rVpXYnGZUG5vfX17Rfc0fB5JYWlac+gvuiVEtdINns=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=rmSj1JQiNXSJmdolcT0oHK9uzd7uBlidhnPmYfSQlB9d5Gvp07JGFqABFrtjAN4Fe447JwZOJDBAdD+j18UPo5BpAaxNQ7aW53VSQMomdZKY8UoZGN2emISYj+i/kiBZabhHMEbLodAleYFTdNl7dhd2F57UhlMEHwtLxYOCr0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=VhZVd+a3zH6WoHyMxykzYqGfRjxXzi8CSY+RgbvpsFabJDeLVlqM58+6ltfnpPG5Fgq8mN6V7IHwmw491pe9xudnTD2EAw6SLum0SOIzFV7IljFLQRxak4JTPHmZEWf5uzEqPkNEtAWSYH5g9tiVFJ+mubuqv/y90yTiSpxNDL4=; Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 19:11:47 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 19:11:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 19:11:47 -0000 HJV6TpmLQsVxkk7GP2iMZ.KHDqE_BprtIb8rlldYL9G4WM4zBeDW8Bs0As0l GgE0ljgdEKR4uRkFD_4EqDULYie7g6AaKEuE3R4dVPk97kJJZ33nwPXSXddr liD0c.Nx2akiKD7ZNoiLJQ3q.3zBTxZuKrfuhRWLJYF6ppwXOQJGNpZqyjFy wtX6zsy5y6XcufAlSxa_c5fB3OgLT.JiykROEvWH8O9CMEvFCA8sD8OSx9UP R5TfbRK1X.fFJQ3lQlGkfK3Jv0eVDPwmQZhLPLkHkIMYRouM_nNJ9SXyCoEn SJKVSZlqwjzuSjHQP.yPCy4VqIjKf0INngK.mwWWZynnDkema.6UpLP12C6K HnGzmYqIOZhEWOiFD_kOQNZISho0CshZJ_IPyeeuAzrgZfGkrbRtXAbqS5v1 mKNnf251hLhje6V0GjOSutxqLVDoeq8BsJwFiQazwsfm4_KiR2b0XuZoqG5F kbxR.ogqJzEep3v_ViYL2o1ZtMJ2SaS0jYJW3EUIPjWbeynQ4Vz1rqu0- From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:12:06 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a vibration or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. Rotated tires this week and used a dial indicator to check for run out. The right side was less than .001 the left side varied from .001 to .005. Can 5 thousands show up in the pedal ?? can a shop turn that much out ?? the rotors have never been trued at all... thanks John --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 13:27:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EDC2580074 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:27:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC06B2580074 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:25:28 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=P3HQR3LhpI1q1kzkVuUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:61846] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 9B/CC-27047-425CD945; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:29:24 -0500 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "John Niolon" , "shop-talk" References: <4B9F2DF3C94A4E2EA091E985CEBB83A4@john5043a2d406> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Try re-rotating the tires? Check that the lugs are tightened evenly? Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a > vibration > or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. Rotated tires this week > and > used a dial indicator to check for run out. The right side was less than > .001 > the left side varied from .001 to .005. Can 5 thousands show up in the > pedal > ?? can a shop turn that much out ?? the rotors have never been trued at > all... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 13:39:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF312584B9F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:39:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9297258093A for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:32:48 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1419626204; bh=UQokcJgKWdO3BsipNciBYDRrMznsE2fGYE5sZNRuuYw=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=bcPdkd0VlMvmRCjx1hdxTH6qo/eUjbxZVwRIiL3cbj14RSM3wmckhWAYusZJ/L7DYpfNDdmLAXzLvgwocNDMA+VcheUIEkhZEGV1yAt7/bNdpNqd0yXXoiPQm2oLvNIdKX0QZyhNokre50M7tPdCJF+ZT+fBelgRK0M2bOUaX94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=vgHwnvLueZoLHMJL2JBokh2NiqpHH0KnppM2x4+iVYPYe/xMRW4qpohL0Jo8KbUBd5VXiUBYHKHz3u9YM8sckIV1sYNodSXazRocDNKHZ6MTZCkKaLnqm7nP61+VyZ2lTo/vhbk82IzbgJUMa1MTcRmqTe0ni3xGuqic/NipM/o=; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.113] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 20:36:44 -0000 yk4Hyf__qGrSQdQgW58nHX0Un7Zkz6xUili3JbjorIgD0ZSRUfXsZh6bNevK jFR_BssWgOZoZyJo8rvrq_wT5gR1ItwBn9ka4C6.ltXs_s0Ciphuc4z6YoH6 G3jGBJNp9DNgYchVY7GKC2JTJ5Iq3HQL6rOO3D_hviFGU9XFa_x3AqoDpYvE EbJ3e0Qs.LC9KlL7AM658LURGI4Ia5Sv0yLaBBxpedAsNFZWSc7OGOpxSLQB cxEqOPIVGQCN0Bt2ivWb5hg0USF5E5vxe4lDrIm.s1nZ2cw3r6450X30Wbob vfCObGLyieKdoaCuB6pW_LKM769tYAamgQlnfGpJKOJMNkw0oz_ShyPnCske OoI_hv_THTxYKFWzQMc..z8LdOGS9ClhGAixNX3SPOH6kI4CL53JaopPMOR6 O2HKEKfHO_6R5YCHAyYrci3fWNkkqW.XmC02zXvZfHLUz2FQFEBbLq7COm1X thAqkwqjVJijuC6epMbMvnAcGU2M8ANnI7uH1kCIOVRMGWskXZ.tLQF6dlP. FnB2gxQXnl_hD1Wax78N8qMzxcg6sesJJKzs- From: "John Niolon" To: "Eric J Russell" , "shop-talk" References: <4B9F2DF3C94A4E2EA091E985CEBB83A4@john5043a2d406> <87813B6BF1384B45829D6458BDAC184A@EricJRussellPC> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:37:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric... the vibration was there BEFORE and after the rotate... all lugs torqued to 140# ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric J Russell" To: "John Niolon" ; "shop-talk" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes > Try re-rotating the tires? Check that the lugs are tightened evenly? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a >> vibration >> or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. Rotated tires this week >> and >> used a dial indicator to check for run out. The right side was less than >> .001 >> the left side varied from .001 to .005. Can 5 thousands show up in the >> pedal >> ?? can a shop turn that much out ?? the rotors have never been trued >> at >> all... > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 14:06:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCE22580BB8 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:06:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.247]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBD92580074 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:06:11 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1419628215; bh=CSsyJ2e2vkX64h90LbYhV/+EkoJhI4y9yZD80Ml8e/Q=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=igvTYq9L65VVV3LUJLHJcHRbfTomEoJY5yWQ1gBl/hDAeJM3pQ1XBa+MHBiyTcbE7i1lyTkGiRZKLmCC9FkOa7OXB0NpSRapzWTYaAZTPkMAulMURD9OJTPZ/K9w6ceic4ZvNRIpmHJ2gSCq/Fv1DkcJe+xL+8sf3CVg2HC8ZtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=kfbjPFT8+flqWcFn5DuGMWG9kjbRRdXsRoo77NG9hDroAJc7maMaw+ULAd73nXKRfcDoSlZQ3PAvbcisgVLVWnHXF5bbLn19RaWw4IhRRRaBBr4i9o8emskTpQK9wHx7hnxPDS+VaHV9+Xdkoi7OTE7dc/frUUy+z2P1X3kXSqs=; Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:10:15 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.119] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:10:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:10:15 -0000 T6SBAHyhYCgQGo8EZiE347Wiy3Grf85oFJKpNsg2BTbMKy23740PG3bmigLy ZHM4PecW8hzcrQQNXt8f0.FaXwNQM0KFTPM3Sl_FXTpX8LXl53huszVOVdJS LU51T3ncei9ItclP.0fUhDcVVlGBRpPrWOLtRtAStQc9goiqIE_12.KfIXtO LcXuNgkpYqZiy7n3GEHg4Huf6FgUjIkDrzDKru1XSvocu5BWJIdX136.0mR9 s.xDo05qbjWRQf25nePTF7T7ydrJZ5w0VJmp74y.7EZYcJqiRrLqFrb.xzF9 8O4NjEYl_qBUU3sdDm02Gi3cdoF_b72gPglxu6Id.FEmenw9bLTJ1.wsZwhN VeWdT0vcckPQ6WOtUYmKd_MBIwEkuireBK6XCN5VHb4GW8NHA76kOakNxno3 pqkVQCM1ToDgPqX1UJz_aRJ2K2zQ0CYRVfMOcKrfVYdJmMC754no_nrvTmFL _Omet4rzW7F9XSEM6GNGbSojDRoJc5rq.GKmWm8lXf8uhgvr.bD048LTgjPQ XC2NFQk0YlLil_C36imKG.vioxNrSFAmrDk2IRRCAQ8xI5Zsmk9lPx8Q65dd pVv4vOyBQOtsemKaxDO93 From: "John Niolon" To: "Dwade Reinsch" , "shop-talk" References: <4B9F2DF3C94A4E2EA091E985CEBB83A4@john5043a2d406> <87813B6BF1384B45829D6458BDAC184A@EricJRussellPC> <1419627565.4989.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:11:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net brakes were done (front and rear) less than one year ago (less than 15K on them) and rotors not turned... pads show plenty of material... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dwade Reinsch To: John Niolon ; Eric J Russell ; shop-talk Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Most likely time for brake job and new rotors. On Friday, December 26, 2014 2:46 PM, John Niolon wrote: Eric... the vibration was there BEFORE and after the rotate... all lugs torqued to 140# ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric J Russell" To: "John Niolon" ; "shop-talk" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes > Try re-rotating the tires? Check that the lugs are tightened evenly? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a >> vibration >> or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. Rotated tires this week >> and >> used a dial indicator to check for run out. The right side was less than >> .001 >> the left side varied from .001 to .005. Can 5 thousands show up in the >> pedal >> ?? can a shop turn that much out ?? the rotors have never been trued >> at >> all... > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch@swbell.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 14:29:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004D92580712 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:29:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F472580712 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:30:41 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.241] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:30:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 21:30:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 82154 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2014 21:30:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1419629440; bh=NSStfBY1LoGVwcY04U5ybYe1sLaHBTrlI2Bl8IhBBT4=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LI4Wjzk9A3yPbciKiiTICZfyP2YoZdzyJZZnY8b1mHppSWdMensIuG1Sv67kBR++orHjz092RG+PZ6StT+jwN/YRpV3aitSPkkXS4klsG6UsPtC++xRtNOdwXdyKbKH4SiQGf9BnmVGrsUSAYHJBjwNVkI4BpMBmm1RmsrA/SZI= I7yKbIE8iHJEDgrJwcDaQ.uf4oY7DhjlKwBoYjr1XcNOVyhJNL3JppeHfHFd s.lhGp7lgQHaCee2aGixFKRK5Luh3cPmTzU0KbEKZinfS53CfLlXVb63Dyty 7xWzWTG1bwJKDhx7zp5C7KoFo0zgexGZ35ZOzGL.G5e9CPeq8.IR7HzOoFoC R59ve58XyI7XZ.tMtKIcMzTiKN0RWWy9fMb0xE2EhJbuMczTAokxvNG2ENgh Z44qrAnGLAl5gis7qTMjKm.yzXXfXMYy1zfdK4mdFShF1PNKU_S4EN.77pw. 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Amount of material on pads has nothing to do with wobble. Several years ago I stopped trying to have them turned when I was doing a brake job and just always bought new. Heat and cooling can warp rotors. Have you driven through cold water after using brake hard and having them heated up? Could be bent wheel. Have you banged the curb really hard lately? Or bad tire, with belt slightly out of line, but if you rotated tires and no change, it's probably not a tire. If you have a bent wheel, that should have changed the wobble, when you rotated tires, so it's probably not that. On Friday, December 26, 2014 3:11 PM, John Niolon wrote: brakes were done (front and rear) less than one year ago (less than 15K on them) and rotors not turned... pads show plenty of material... ----- Original Message ----- >From: Dwade Reinsch >To: John Niolon ; Eric J Russell ; shop-talk >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:59 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes > > >Most likely time for brake job and new rotors. > > > >On Friday, December 26, 2014 2:46 PM, John Niolon wrote: > > > >Eric... the vibration was there BEFORE and after the rotate... all lugs >torqued to 140# >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric J Russell" >To: "John Niolon" ; "shop-talk" >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:29 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes > > >> Try re-rotating the tires? Check that the lugs are tightened evenly? >> >> Eric Russell >> Mebane, NC >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a >>> vibration >>> or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. Rotated tires this week >>> and >>> used a dial indicator to check for run out. The right side was less than >>> .001 >>> the left side varied from .001 to .005. Can 5 thousands show up in the >>> pedal >>> ?? can a shop turn that much out ?? the rotors have never been trued >>> at >>> all... >> > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >http://www.avast.com/ >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch@swbell.net > > > > ________________________________ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 15:36:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BAD2580A4B for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:36:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (unknown [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F8125806FA for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:37:15 -0800 id 00000000002800AF.00000000549DE31B.00007555 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:37:14 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4B9F2DF3C94A4E2EA091E985CEBB83A4@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/26/2014 11:12 AM, John Niolon wrote: > 2008 Suburban.... noticed lately that when I apply brakes I feel a vibration > or pulse like one of the rotors might be warped. If it were an E39 BMW I'd say your lower control arm inner bushings were shot (forward arm in the 6cyl cars, rear arm in the 8cyl cars). Classic behavior in that vehicle. 2008 Suburbans I don't know, my 2500 is a 2003. But if the obvious stuff - brake rotor, wheel bearing, steering tie-rod end, etc - doesn't show anything, you need to go off to gm-trucks.com or one of the other product-specific sites and look for something specific to that platform. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 19:43:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B87A258592E for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:43:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B462580722 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:36:52 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419648047; bh=1oPreDiseJkdk578wGrnemykKxJAR9ZenjHRAuoRSJI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=e6rvQ5Uqr53cH2cToIAKZkQIfNvl/B5Rq3HyUOODeuttmEJf51AM1iwKdVrRPZmLODtHsXqNe4akZhwHoI5racebEG0ff2XVFJIBj7eJlwxCW+noG+Y7IcagbqoJvLTXbsFbWkj/gIlAFFnK4jo6Hgt0fZoX7pzl8PPH7v+kwlcxK7eGn2H3pKTGs+qUB/bAkAAV1C5lhXeRpn9Lmtxf11j2I8ZXJVm/y4m9F4z+KaXA+7rgUB3dt0zc0xm5+vALlwO3+oJJs8eLh8srP5hwVgh/cjSmHk0oWltKmjcCDUJVEs1co9cFriDQ2fZATkUBGHNWSfKualRbUS6BvJNP8Q== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=ameritech.net; b=q7+XVPF4+kTolM9xHArC3FF7vh8uk0WNIhuaVahmf4fnzhMF1ighNhxxpUJ+e5FTrFuawxyqrWROl6M5CltJOdRAAtcLfLuYul5HU60MXHElJywB2q1IemIEG+K5bhKjsyNg93/WkvNoKPaRuEReCOuVIx/tE7F0+CqAI5Q6GSg+6Hw8Mevs47I0/6oWDKe3hBQGOkqOk5YNgTHMLlLFXMiC0yXmd6dHrp9mXPvdRaOqpqrnJf62G8IDwOr9rOlBHl6SChDD9o/D6lLY67eIKyFwO1XZc1VZNTBS45VpvRcoF528Yiq2byiSb/jnpxgexPnAbnNqP8vofmwDgQzs7w==; Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2014 02:40:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2014 02:40:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2014 02:40:46 -0000 iTP.4x52CNman3fk6jgFVjCAMzNFbMYfxxAF2bErPnU6d6fo3V0AAY5_aRWX Zu9wnTAzo5PZfIXnaNOnr4wEZ2Yr_75Psf1T4z4kz_RiNNgiHREb0WIfDfbo VbWrCOb8MB9qVnhn2LNm18_mPGez5qjitbfB2ZIxrF_.7CxNJOAFp9FgCn07 uF7zMeMlay9xr1dfAeJIIb6S36Cbmy7GVgvEBTCCWktIn0bw5lxOeDxf45YW YZFKmlrQP2hg9hCjiDYUoFsMBvxreDtSsOadQ4NG5s8YpmZoKxsTIFpXKnQt k8graXbFWG8_6OlsSkx7ULaNIMdc0XNeelfnH0TIuY7KrVjpzIf29ZH55IXK MSB1qkiZY9Q02fvmdvgtlZ53Pv71PLZlhdjd1zphbCNs68Tma_q.YA0Tqgt1 6NT8ibAEoVretdu0A7.CfXvVTDTc2dxCAHuWXoAIYNs4EbpS0tmxofcWe05Z P5bAK_sHqgQcK0wOHHFI1JdHnGRFV8VVTVUe1RxuVomCxc_h5zw-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:40:49 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAhfi4tZrbF47weSi6Em1ioyEXuBQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another possibility is pad material building up unevenly on rotors. A set of EBC Green Stuff pads on a Mustang years ago drove me crazy. They'd pulse and wobble, then later be fine. Turns out I wasn't the only one having that problem. Those pads also could fade in one stop from 60 MPH. A set of OEM pads smoothed everything out for the rest of the years we had the car. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 21:46:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28596258080D for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:46:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0329F25801A0 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:43:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55126] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 54/A1-15054-4E93E945; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 04:47:32 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Niolon'" , "'shop-talk'" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:47:34 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAhRPjV6qgRyYciQPCaB6A3lTGG4gASYOzg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wobble in brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Can 5 thousands show up in the pedal ?? .005" is huge, if the other side doesn't match it (in other words, thickness variation). Typical maximum spec is under .001". However, if the thickness is constant, then .005" shouldn't cause too much of a problem. The caliper just tracks the wobble without pulsing the pedal. > can a shop turn that much out ?? Depends on how badly worn the rotor is. Most cars these days have rotors so thin that they can almost never be turned (once they have been used) without going below the wear limit. But I have no idea if that would apply to a Suburban or not. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 22:40:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD672584974 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:40:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (unknown [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE2F258069D for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:33:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:37:27 -0800 id 000000000028001F.00000000549E4597.00001546 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:37:27 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Drop lights. You know, basic design hasn't changed in forty years, since the rubber-covered wire cages gave way to stampings (or plastic moldings on the cheap ones. Nasty arm-burning stampings. If you use household light bulbs they last about two days, or you can go find the plastic-covered rugged-use bulbs. All this is almost enough to make you go shopping for one of those flourescent things. Or at least it was. Time to resurrect the old drop lights: Cree 60-watt LED bulbs from Home Depot, $7. Put a few in around the house and they worked out well. Tried a couple in the drop lights, so far so good, the light is good and they've taken a couple drops with no drama. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 27 02:35:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700DF258080D for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:35:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36FE2580313 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id YZ6L1p0022XD5SV01Z6LZD; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:06:20 +0000 Received: from mail.hotmail.com ([157.56.23.13]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id YZ6A1p0010Gwn7901Z6Cse; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:06:18 +0000 Received: from COL401-EAS362 ([157.56.23.7]) by COL004-WSS1S6.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:06:09 -0800 From: gordon bird To: =?utf-8?Q?John_Miller?= , =?utf-8?Q?shop_talk?= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:03:39 +0000 FILETIME=[5AEBB110:01D021B4] s=q20140121; t=1419671180; bh=+AQtntIDd5Op/B3EXp7cYjmoAH9wtBwLN0fS9vEX40g=; h=Received:Received:Received:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From:To: Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=aB57iqih87KW3kEL64xS0pStxLJMMrp7LoLZe5BDmGrrq05LJUiyGgPpiPnQ/1P+1 sWQFdyM1mAcZD2cxWLS6qS2Br+x39jkNTz7sRKc67qEnPqPDNYw9jeTnpL4DYWxRLm clVzGMoSUHcUXRGPSI0QBHHvC1Ed5jicPv9rdBhizbCQnLcNRSLDoqMeIhFAopVTvN EaENDW+KDZd91t0uSsXjY7W6lqTb5ohKXx2pyehVHni8N1PWBmPyRfsgZdkxgZeY1d IN2MXUS1A7bv6NoaPJTy0ahAsy5+yoXirrUgJq72n7VSupmAeI7iEJV7EZZYUxnoeT 0wS4pEdOax5Gg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] =?utf-8?q?Drop_lights?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibll second the LEDs. In the past, my garage door opener would vibrate and even the rough service incandescent bulb would only last a few months. Itbs been nearly 2 years now that I have had the Cree LED installedb& Ibve been replacing with LEDs when required ever since. Gordie Bird From: John Miller Sent: bSaturdayb, bDecemberb b27b, b2014 b1b:b01b bAM To: shop talk Drop lights. You know, basic design hasn't changed in forty years, since the rubber-covered wire cages gave way to stampings (or plastic moldings on the cheap ones. Nasty arm-burning stampings. If you use household light bulbs they last about two days, or you can go find the plastic-covered rugged-use bulbs. All this is almost enough to make you go shopping for one of those flourescent things. Or at least it was. Time to resurrect the old drop lights: Cree 60-watt LED bulbs from Home Depot, $7. Put a few in around the house and they worked out well. Tried a couple in the drop lights, so far so good, the light is good and they've taken a couple drops with no drama. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 27 10:14:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8CD2584DB8 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:14:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EE12584CA6 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:10:58 -0800 id 00000000002800AD.00000000549EE822.00003F12 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:10:58 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/27/2014 1:03 AM, gordon bird wrote: > Ibll second the LEDs. In the past, my garage door opener would vibrate > and even the rough service incandescent bulb would only last a few > months. Itbs been nearly 2 years now that I have had the Cree LED > installedb& Prices on the LED stuff have come down a lot, and the choice is better. I've started putting LEDs in some of the more heavily-used lights around our house. Our house has something like 85 low-voltage MR16 fixtures, mostly enclosed insulation-contact cans, and aside from being painfully expensive most of the MR16 replacement LEDs on the market for the past few years (notably Philips) have carried warnings about use in enclosed fixtures. Home Depot now has a house-brand 'Ecosmart' at $15 each that claims compatibility with enclosed IC fixtures, I swapped out the halogens in my office (where I really needed more light anyway) and they're working well (it's only been 2 months, though.) The clear Philips bulbs with the crown-shaped refractor are working well in our outside fixtures, and the cheaper 40W Cree units in the entryway ceiling fixture. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 27 14:18:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAE125805AB for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:18:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s7.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA852580024 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:14:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU437-SMTP91 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:18:12 -0800 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <549EE822.6070009@milleredp.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:18:03 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAh+RlfXYlGDTAKQT+RmZzcwIizigAIMieQ FILETIME=[9D9ED2B0:01D0221A] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Costco often had nice LED sales in conjunction with the local utilities, just as they did with CFL's. LED's are still expensive though. I've been replacing the high use and "better when the lighting comes up quicker" locations like over stairs. It took a while for the "spot" versions to come in and drop down in price, but now they are almost as prevalent as the "flood" lamps. I have some spot high hat lamps over critical kitchen areas and spots work much better, especially for these aging eyes. I've been using up the old incandescent lamps in my drop light for the past few years. I'd feel guilty about just throwing them away. . . . . Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Miller Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 9:11 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights On 12/27/2014 1:03 AM, gordon bird wrote: > Ibll second the LEDs. In the past, my garage door opener would vibrate > and even the rough service incandescent bulb would only last a few > months. Itbs been nearly 2 years now that I have had the Cree LED > installedb& Prices on the LED stuff have come down a lot, and the choice is better. I've started putting LEDs in some of the more heavily-used lights around our house. Our house has something like 85 low-voltage MR16 fixtures, mostly enclosed insulation-contact cans, and aside from being painfully expensive most of the MR16 replacement LEDs on the market for the past few years (notably Philips) have carried warnings about use in enclosed fixtures. Home Depot now has a house-brand 'Ecosmart' at $15 each that claims compatibility with enclosed IC fixtures, I swapped out the halogens in my office (where I really needed more light anyway) and they're working well (it's only been 2 months, though.) The clear Philips bulbs with the crown-shaped refractor are working well in our outside fixtures, and the cheaper 40W Cree units in the entryway ceiling fixture. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 08:17:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711CB2584594 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:17:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B4225805F9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:10:06 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1419866052; bh=GGoN0TVXysdixchbkbch97vuri6EjxetrBoxy5xKbCw=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=K7sAI6977Pls2Q4tvKndKGZz8R4HpYkneLursrdRdtnVnR6qzXbEDlWTvuG6vzsjeJdNOYhKryqtmysRpYVBVY7R9HWSbg4fyxOT4Ly2061/C37qpgREotTDL6y+FoIN5UaSyrcwpYLdwFmGSWsD4PfDPqWuTUSOxN7MWVjBrYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=uvyfn3nWSYeMPlNJUzw1cU/dWOfrDuuauZpTbhvbzMepQ56RnGZpFQrpYQWPw1/ur6hYmPQQ1FqOXYVIKJE5iBltbc/GFvhmNKYQXlz2o11ey2bRpwKvcVeR/5uSAE472jMtdtU6XhDfPyZIr1eAtmi0+2hO7/5IIeqbe2eybSI=; Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 15:14:12 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 15:14:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 15:14:12 -0000 Wm03ctPQnroMvDbau1qw1YpjmErPrpY9.WxDXTuNJVELNv6fZo.2ELZwaNkC ByGXUcgSzPDw.7JFuny95tnCnl2mUJz8mHaDdOLcxc57w7DrtRPfduH8glNA Y.KTWCIOWFfTZ9S8eC94dxAxt.kJxjT6rMb4tDIZMS1qexCFXcFdAzcQMTbX jhQSQZKtGIRnT3FppJUCF8STvCD1AwLWCCQXz.AE423Imi8tqb5FTWTuovNr TzU6cHkihPcT1ms2_vshtM1XI.xCw_dxFWW3Al.fY3PEh_rtNMBvHNN9sFJI nL68Eq_5OwKjyKuIbqJEgmldlYFJTcdl9h.Quku3TrjoU47jbSdhJDBsBWbb kOSlg7driJYv8Tg._QLOd2Q_jIIrdD5qSs1_CK.nz5lo4GOOockNJdmXy9G3 sR5a2lErEP6rBcR9ksg4S2dyf6hUs0hRPYMbA.Piw0Lj5RJvgICDeVVHwuuG uiGyUNZDRLv5dDzfRyb0de1D_BUSRzMHHg9lK_068LysYORp66RKbIw2pyzw cgCBCLaaXS1Xw4RKo3bPYpXkhpi1zvE5deA-- From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:13:23 -0600 Subject: [Shop-talk] replacement windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net need to replace some 20+ year old wooden windows in shop and house... any recommendations or warnings about the manufacturers/installers... I'm tired of painting windows !!! john --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 09:19:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926CB25844B8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:19:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195A32580A1A for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:14:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id c9so9474697qcz.19 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=y2KC+o9ZiEmfGhn5vxHtolLiAQIKmoNDoIVR2QkNoCI=; b=XHiX5E/yXBcSgHZvzvhllmg7lPVzEwZzGEVPmUaKrsFo/CZPGvIABPxKlQ7x5euQwX qNox1JvcLHHue+LZcg0gVAWSvsSoeWzvzd6CfU1cGUBJn6/1TtYP+tfe5rLBEC7eu1Zd pbu4hs9pVl6j9HQ6A9E+w4VPT9gIxpw8lI+KHxlcfub9zfAdaKJ6+OOripR1C+EEXQ+g B1b4Oy5nYaAvCWB3Rk2AkkDvZB7tArdyoK3QQ0rOPCB4dfS0RusN82URA11957hNr1nI oN9w42YoZevkS7hOXF14JouBzKx5FNTEsyXC/ZiobqNmll2wnvRXUQgrQV3KsuzUNcA4 /PAg== r14mr93262101qad.39.1419869886553; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.119] (ool-4a5a398b.dyn.optonline.net. [74.90.57.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 77sm33767744qgx.43.2014.12.29.08.18.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:18:04 -0500 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Strengthening plastic engine parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I recently broke a plastic cruise control pulley on my 1996 Accord while replacing the starter. Apparently, these parts break frequently on old Hondas because the plastic gets baked by the engine over the years and becomes quite brittle. Honda doesnt sell the pulley separately and requires you to buy an entire throttle body assembly to get the pulley, so I bought a used one online. The pulley is in good condition, but I am sure it is just as brittle as my old one was. While it will probably be fine unless I get careless again, I was thinking that it would be worth trying to strengthen/rejuvenate it before I put it on the car. It is small and would be easy to soak in something or to just brush or spray something on. Ive tried Googling the topic but come up empty-handed. Does anyone know anything I can to do give this a little extra life before putting it on the car? The car sees only limited use, but it is very handy to have around. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 10:36:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72D02584AF9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:36:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53962580B24 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:36:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a1so19387797wgh.23 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9iHBc8XWbvNkwAekKuvThQJjQO1W1XcTqZC6AaY5xoE=; b=iBaW2Jc6dOZAv9z43QLWR0HMLSslE8XpOdCtNWf8sNxy7ZtBsY9Eup+se8DbWkkhjW BoNtLRTz4+v70Dlk1TObyeG1hivHLyKdRki1IL5lyVc33F55BlWdVhecAruN94EgutP7 ekSxmwal+lFtZ2i4+cJhw98VSEjqKWfl5VExLhkZ+2DstHbIGPY4wzzwT9RStqew9s+x BoMCvCZKNRndxmUjPVqxP4Te4nK3RAcVPiaXHuWbW/m1pC18/0a+3RhOsuBqbr3P7Twr UIfr46juu1ttuQBkupkqvTzGr7DBzOwmzJ+pheJEoq4/IQUMpoeX/YoYvtmyKivEW6FE 1aug== b11mr33908348wjs.73.1419874851227; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.78.142 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.78.142 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:40:51 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Strengthening plastic engine parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe it would be a good idea to make a 3-d model of the pulley before it is installed. Then you could use a 3-d printer to make a few spares. I think there are places that you can upload the model to, and they will print it and send the items to you. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 12:20:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A3B2584E44 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:20:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9C42584D19 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ZXQD1p0042JGN3p01XQJbX; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:24:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id ZXQH1p00P06FvTL01XQJ5Q; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:24:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:24:10 -0500 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <549E4597.9030509@milleredp.com> s=q20140121; t=1419881058; bh=skeQw/EU04HL3JON/o8/5j/uwjsNzig50k1M5I1AQ9k=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=hD/6KM8OBWb+Uym9uTEjWCF3Q/R5qR3pZSqgujdfCOcPkcJYSymf5dI8kvOg2FA+j xphFwqg0sdjXELTZfaVpLDWW8IoLOvXm9MMjKWbH7FygLGcmflo99eZhCnpqlQBneH XF5YkkT7MkTRjlJ3bkZB9ISBWUw2OnHsLdcEr9b1Fb94d/yjMwxearCs4GhFWL7gGr Mx/03ALJSZ3K/8WWjyTPUL/iQNaaiPH0gxO6jgO3Tm7forZIOqQV14JhlwaQQyAyqG iqnFL/W0rsMi+cUUk+mcdvWCfoyGeRi6Z9AguViprKJoTBDcYrSbnRkHuCRMLxFrcR N3Ub5pab+yL9Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/27/2014 12:37 AM, John Miller wrote: > > > Time to resurrect the old drop lights: Cree 60-watt LED bulbs from > Home Depot, $7. I have the newer plastic 60-watt equivalent Cree LED. Highly recommend. It durable plastic and lighter than glass LED bulbs. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 12:33:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA22584E96 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:33:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A757B2584D19 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:29:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id f15so12377299lbj.41 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:33:15 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5gl1z9KS/+xwfklWHcJwnMoq0JqzrqhxYChh4zAWxrk=; b=MDODMyCjtFHbQ2WdzsJulb8wfd1T7hF3UI+4rj6CE7GduL/tG01jjN3nfeoUr/Ok6G JMOEdUty5qo0XwCu6rTqcfzAXYj4GopSIh+x94TqfsQC7QlG8vngG2RsjNfKQZPp6mL4 mTcGqLRQBRVVBEOruPpkV3kjVvOSYGoOw5Y9FEOwZOawZq0Wpz2iz9uiiys773bGDrOu Rf7Tz5OXNn8jlV7zrtPbvK381gTDc+Z1dZCm1kUF0WXfutqzIeW14uZ1NeTb3S2wVzrw WqQU91ymHuB+tSPRSt3NKU/jWr0NldDmus5ZOgoRhzdjgLETuqekUJgt3S265yoCY8tZ uF8g== u7mr59103317laj.74.1419881594941; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.162.131 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:33:14 -0800 (PST) References: <549E4597.9030509@milleredp.com> <54A1AA5A.80504@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:33:14 -0500 From: Mark Andy To: "Peter J. Thomas" Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, I looked at LED bulbs as a result of this discussion. Looks like 100-watt equivalents are about twice the cost of 60-watt... Is that right? How come? Mark On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > On 12/27/2014 12:37 AM, John Miller wrote: > >> >> >> Time to resurrect the old drop lights: Cree 60-watt LED bulbs from Home >> Depot, $7. >> > I have the newer plastic 60-watt equivalent Cree LED. Highly recommend. > It durable plastic and lighter than glass LED bulbs. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@ > maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 14:52:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C02584B22 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:52:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A7725801A0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:52:02 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419890167; bh=CT5mT5zc1pxB49uvYUPPjdjeyIcDfiS9Ge2ClO5eIls=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=ffDdJSkyejBcfJTBQvE73u2z/aI7MVBsUeHvayW65tqBKsr7m3/aYBkRJXvnCfEX60XdI1b143SrHzl9A/GY5MUJ25flV74ezFR7IXBRQAG1ElGOw5qKIQxzyXFaQj5e7jduoE3n/R+UeZM/89A2PekEzXH2769QZ4jUygf/zWsP8VeL+UQR0xMudzh2TwOgFQT0UZ7Z+o/6qFKmgYrKqsD+ZxgSuirnm1DMLV0XS9mURTyzwgZ4fWerUqWUS6FcwKZigvWl5YH/JrjqOOXNBbcr9OG9W8hF5ukj78fCIKa4kw8oJCvImbX7KtIO32LgFw+PzZwQYHwQV2CHztPLiQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=snet.net; b=UxhyuUaAP1A8CIUWDsmkaQPpQNk0VIORpLH2XugkCltuSjGIVOp7bt8VzMSJJs4st83UmLc76d5i/8BW5BeiQ9XqYra699Pq8bxlciQuwZHTGVutnVxvebAyTA/pHG8bb1LJQtdBulvsKKVh5ySfR66oO7HfEBtaBBo9lzeRosy6MW76CkkFpDaHbqjhSgsA9+NavfaJxTpZ8rKhipqNcsUXydSrexB3p4/jNQCJQcVkjcFtAvGs+dkjrJAAXbLEefcgHmfLoemDbpepoTJYEVbalmjGSrhfVn1G50iEqhyhRxWffMrFNUVYXt+qucDGkofYoaQ/deQ+eB6y3gxcFQ==; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 21:56:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 21:56:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2014 21:56:07 -0000 pLa74ImwLQ2CWVD283h6SlViLEV3AzgOz0r.Hhb__59q4u8W9rgeaVZsQMhe RmNhKRzQjn_Gv8XwbSUxspv2tqWb7MR64WlalzSUtYGZKq_zdEDXgnQOvLoR JdOrABb7PuqzNu8v.qmEShWusOzWZmrkyF.asPSqwP5EkJAK50wpxVRJUZ3c RaL6cGkIPKt3Pi7rwrGuS6zQkpNEKYZ.CpW7MPos_KsavtnPx68.xwvRYp8H dqfVywBBggimIwK9JnmmsHGzLjdveYNVM6bB.e1jyR1MeZy59nVzPsUgVM95 y2O1z2ZFtSvoWvDQAwiWtXHJlEBAHLwvXJ2sphOymoog2exPEvFB_LfENjV5 COVmbluk_Z69lVPLxzwPkFBgqmCgxyTEtQPI0vkTmPVJ2Cm9kC3vG6so_bd3 kNYb1GH0E7Rgq81SLXX2TqkiErTBhfOP2KffGJKFBxJb7drhNN9mCTPMiA2G jcoPZ_Cligq3jLN7I41aQ1F99SjWjYdJ6.9Pz6WfW3_8WMA-- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:55:30 -0500 From: Jim Juhas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The shop content for this is that I presently have TVs in my work space. My cable provider has announced the move to "all digital" requiring one of their boxes at each TV, regardless of the TV's digital cable readiness. I have coax to multiple locations in my house and shop and don't want to rent ANY boxes from them, let alone the seven I would need for this, plus in at least one location with a 7" screen, a corner in our kitchen, the box will be bigger than the digital TV. Are there any alternatives? Is there a digital equivalent to the old analog block converters? Or will my digital TVs actually still see the digital signals, just not at the same place on the "dial." -- Low Tech Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:06:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A8125845D8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:06:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D3A325801A0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:04:05 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1419890879; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=M+c6en1M+LDkfQinSbtY9voDVHeL3tihjw6d41ef7MT5a6PkZUyhNjTGYDMWQuaVp pL/vA8FrWrcPMPiEIFlOznc3kXBmC3tG5xphZ5ZbrO54hCWfPoL3ozQtJalFLXJ8SF stQSZjd5jaYxlpSbMNKlKzORELvQh7ERwQT6gBMs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.141]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLLDWEHAHM2AGS for (sender ); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.76.179.156] by webmail01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:06:27 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:06:27 GMT To: james.f.juhas@snet.net Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think most of them are doing it - it is all about revenue enhancement!The innovative public was coming up with too many ways to hold costs down like off line DVRs such as silicon dust, etc.Their solution is to encrypt it all and require boxes. Best alternative is a digital antenna so you can at least get the local digital broadcast signals.There are some very cheap interior ones ~$10 that will pull in only strong signals. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jim Juhas To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:55:30 -0500 The shop content for this is that I presently have TVs in my work space. My cable provider has announced the move to "all digital" requiring one of their boxes at each TV, regardless of the TV's digital cable readiness. I have coax to multiple locations in my house and shop and don't want to rent ANY boxes from them, let alone the seven I would need for this, plus in at least one location with a 7" screen, a corner in our kitchen, the box will be bigger than the digital TV. Are there any alternatives? Is there a digital equivalent to the old analog block converters? Or will my digital TVs actually still see the digital signals, just not at the same place on the "dial." -- Low Tech Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Heavy rains mean flooding Anywhere it rains it can flood. Learn your risk. Get flood insurance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54a1d0876ec9c50874800st03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:08:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64AA25845D8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:08:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1955425801A0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q59so176964wes.8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=640J2kFMbEZlDSYUawWWXNeT3wI4BGNp3JWIfESI0Wk=; b=p5kOI0LP0crzfQCQlxG+CrQmWMSTIEuRfniw1NB5OWc1cuBlhFHTxvVwe8j5anwEKB QhBtsep8lo7L4Idbl4/yagJMXZCcD2506B+C/qv18WACeWdBi2m+uo8viue22b+sZguR dHJT+XiGko2IwTqY6b3tuJHZ4g+3Yf4b9S+hNwQOP2QfoYwPoogaCja8Y0jO07zOTILu TKgAE0fosf1tU1smnN1I0iEAW1utE1P5wGkJkSgBsPM9Xr08BsyVjNxSlsTYof7vSdUa Q3jf0iuVrd6YM6yw8w7tBQiGCEqG491vDVL59atEwmaSiGnuUObrlMmhcdamW0i8Us8O HAlA== w20mr101337412wiv.22.1419891115499; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.63.130 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:11:55 -0800 (PST) References: <54A1CDD2.60105@snet.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:11:55 -0500 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Jim Juhas Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same issue several years ago when our area switched. I initially went to satellite (Dish) their boxes had HD out and, on a separate tuner, a analog RF signal that could be sen out over the existing coax. I plugged that into the houses old coax network and could tune the box from any room with their RF remotes. It worked pretty good, but non-HD only. I've since switched back to cable, only because I wanted faster internet than DSL (AT&T) could provide. I do a similar thing with Comcast's "cheap" tuner. They're $2.99 a month and have a HD and a RF output from the same tuner. The HD goes to the TV by the box and the RF goes to the old cable wiring. I can feed multiple TVs this way as long as I don't care about HD. Ben....... On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Juhas wrote: > The shop content for this is that I presently have TVs in my work space. > > My cable provider has announced the move to "all digital" requiring one > of their boxes at each TV, regardless of the TV's digital cable > readiness. I have coax to multiple locations in my house and shop and > don't want to rent ANY boxes from them, let alone the seven I would need > for this, plus in at least one location with a 7" screen, a corner in > our kitchen, the box will be bigger than the digital TV. Are there any > alternatives? Is there a digital equivalent to the old analog block > converters? Or will my digital TVs actually still see the digital > signals, just not at the same place on the "dial." > -- > Low Tech Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:18:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48642584864 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0C325801A0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ZaNF1p0050l45Le01aNFr9; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:22:16 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Jim Juhas'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <54A1CDD2.60105@snet.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:22:04 -0600 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdAjslKPbQVC/sgKSfm5rdlhKOIaMQAAqCgw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Several issues here. If you want to be able to watch different cable shows on each set then you will need one box per set. If you are close enough to broadcast TV stations, and you only want to watch shows from your local stations, then you don't need a box for those sets, but you may need an outside antenna. If you want to experiment, and one of your friends/neighbors already have the new all digital service, take one of your sets over and try it, it can't hurt anything. I haven't heard of anything like a block converter for digital. Who is your provider and where are you located? Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Juhas Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:56 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] TV converter box The shop content for this is that I presently have TVs in my work space. My cable provider has announced the move to "all digital" requiring one of their boxes at each TV, regardless of the TV's digital cable readiness. I have coax to multiple locations in my house and shop and don't want to rent ANY boxes from them, let alone the seven I would need for this, plus in at least one location with a 7" screen, a corner in our kitchen, the box will be bigger than the digital TV. Are there any alternatives? Is there a digital equivalent to the old analog block converters? Or will my digital TVs actually still see the digital signals, just not at the same place on the "dial." -- Low Tech Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:19:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B098825809D8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:19:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A202584CD0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id v10so18109744pde.40 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IRKii5R+XTcer19Fxjlg5wbYL4tneHB1WgGwXHhy/q4=; b=sEn9pha68l9ReUlYehpY1VaBt5LGT10SWOGOioAXIcVrPvwxDCp0zKkK7pEvECW0UH nJKTnjvrH9pDQe+UTjiovMV2smRhLoTStWEx8lQcj49ILQG74Cxb0x6+sfxUSKb3K+9q 4qub8swzgEEm9w/aHO7y28tvn0oIgYzw27xYgR7OEFAwjAW0C1zRdbe86zLEVuAN/Smv kL7uHsMNkRKcUBKaYJ8du9T16ubuSVFIybzYHPzOlKjBoZ57umbFgJljJAv5BjyKxnsc Jdp7bs95tMPD+SFo0XjvjMVhisdqDafgHW5OpTpsRP9Y/EK7wvZLMweHkqZKN2qPHI2M sydw== b4mr69653630pdj.120.1419891778000; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.82.200 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:22:57 -0800 (PST) References: <549E4597.9030509@milleredp.com> <54A1AA5A.80504@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:22:57 -0600 From: David Scheidt To: Mark Andy , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Mark Andy wrote: > Howdy, > > I looked at LED bulbs as a result of this discussion. Looks like 100-watt > equivalents are about twice the cost of 60-watt... Is that right? How come? > they use different leds, which cost more. They could use more of the same one, which would require a bigger package, but would also cost more. There's also a "they're new" factor, of course. I'm not sure what the real cost difference is. I'm not a big fan of the currently available models, because the color rendering is awful. I've got a few PAR replacements that are better than the A shape bulbs, Oh, another nice thing about incandescent replacements: The wattage limits on light fixtures are based on heat, so you can use a higher output bulb, if it will fit. My parent's garage is light by a pair of bare bulbs, in lamp holders limited to 100W. I replaced the bulbs with a pair of 75W cfls (actual power consumption, not equivalent), which gets them about three times the light at 2/3 the electricity usage. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:33:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C7425846C9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:33:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B2925801A0 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55155] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A9/A0-18997-9A6D1A45; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:33:14 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:33:14 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAjnuZWM7LdTYBfRsCwvf+bGJNBrwABDdWg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I looked at LED bulbs as a result of this discussion. Looks > like 100-watt > equivalents are about twice the cost of 60-watt... Is that > right? How come? Well, for one thing, they have about twice the number of LEDs (which is the expensive bit), and about twice the power supply. It's not like an incandescent bulb, where you just make the wire a little thicker. The heat sink design gets tougher too. Have to dissipate almost twice as much heat; but the 60 watt versions already run at the edge of too hot. FWIW, they already make drop lights that use LEDs directly, instead of the screw-in replacements. I like mine better, because the LEDs are spread out enough that it doesn't hurt so much when the light rolls around or whatever and I have to look directly into it. But for most situations, I much prefer my LED "head lights". No cord, and it always points where I'm looking (at least a lot better than a drop light does). http://www.energizer.com/flashlights-lighting/headlight/Pages/6-led-headlight.aspx -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:34:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E100725809D8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:34:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76C258053B for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2F/9A-32190-7A7D1A45; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:37:27 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:37:28 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAjthP7RMsNm0VPRbylwWt9RCd7mQAAXG7w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drop lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm not a big fan of the currently available models, because the color > rendering is awful. It varies a lot, though. Cree has some designs that use different LEDs and a special power supply to actively model sunlight (meaning they actually compensate as the LEDs age), which I've heard work very well. Probably not in the $6 version yet, though -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 15:48:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7AE258053B for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:48:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF67258053B for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55171] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 48/A7-32190-3FAD1A45; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:51:31 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:51:32 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAjtEJ4w0OBvFt0R32CbcYTIIsLOAABCVQg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Best alternative is a digital antenna so you > can at least get > the local digital broadcast signals.There are some very cheap > interior ones > ~$10 that will pull in only strong signals. Just to clarify a little, there is nothing "digital" about the antenna. It's the same frequency band, so the old "analog" antennas will work just fine. Even "rabbit ears" will do, you just might need a balun to convert balanced 300 ohm to 75 ohm coax since most TV sets don't seem to have 300 ohm inputs any more. And FWIW, I just picked up a cheap directional outdoor antenna for $25; including rotator and amplifier. No idea how long it will last (probably not very), but it's cheap enough to experiment with. SWMBO wants a channel that is broadcast from roughly 75 miles away, and this antenna pulled it in clearly (during preliminary testing in the living room). With any luck, it isn't so directional that it has to be turned to get the other local channels (which are off in a different direction, of course); but I haven't managed to try that yet. Gonna try putting an amplifier on the omni-directional antenna first and see how that works out. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 19:23:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A922580B9A for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:23:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48D525806BC for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n4so9619125qaq.20 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:27:26 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=X1wijYgOQuxT95e7M4aLcCM6ZQTBwZYlfjQPqM4P7KY=; b=p4zKmNKsVsVzRFYQVI6C7DBbHvfoCEJqfC+btEHd1UIdSMQl6dBEdlCn7Uu7cOwHF+ RQb2w5PPSb8p2CMhHVKW1pszfmbfeCZkI4MeKKZlOS1N/LiGNqHqWmV2zyW7EP9UlbzK uInxBiUHKZ/T5StbtUOfRCK8IUH1GlaeodlxGaByOuhhlSQE6FuNjvu9g1UUaoPKVHEu 6aCXdGHqRB2/PUQ25wfCchDzYYDdmwp+2cPJnwk1Ocqau+/QxqFxPlKN6aXp1Gwazb5H 3jqaC7FqsQ73U/IicmjnRjZofG5YQ93CEWBmHBo0NnnHD3L+GaCS6ytYuMOYDa9lK3J/ KJfQ== h35mr89905497qgh.22.1419906446664; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.119] (ool-4a5a398b.dyn.optonline.net. [74.90.57.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u20sm23094936qaj.5.2014.12.29.18.27.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:27:25 -0500 References: To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Strengthening plastic engine parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. The pulley is a mix of plastic and molded-in metal, so I dont think a 3D printer will do the trick, but it is an interesting idea. The used throttle body only cost me $30, so Ill probably just install the new pulley and try to be more careful in the future. Jim On Dec 29, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > I once had a 83 Sentra wagon for a shop car; cold air & 24 mpg in town a delight until the "Japanese plastic rot" hit. Within one year, the white plastic in the dome light housing, the turn signal switch and all four door latches turned to "chalk" and failed. Sheeeeeesh. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Maybe it would be a good idea to make a 3-d model of the pulley before it > is installed. Then you could use a 3-d printer to make a few spares. I > think there are places that you can upload the model to, and they will > print it and send the items to you. > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 20:39:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786312584612 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:39:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway13.websitewelcome.com (gateway13.websitewelcome.com [67.18.70.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76B225808BB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:39:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id A019E1BDE6416; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5911BDE63F6 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5niR-0005z9-VS; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:28 -0600 Received: from 206.48.246.6 ([206.48.246.6]) (proxying for 206.48.246.6) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:28 -0600 References: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:28 -0600 From: "Lee Daniels" To: "John Niolon" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] replacement windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced every window in my house this year (>35 of them) and of course did a fair bit of research before deciding. Like yours, they were 20+ years old, wooden, single-pane and very tired. We went with Simonton argon-filled (double-pane, low-e) vinyl windows. Wow, they are *really* nice. The vertical ones are all double-hung, and they can be released to pivot inward for cleaning the outside surface without going outside (esp. nice for the upstairs windows). So, yeah, it was a major investment, but it made an amazing difference in the heating/cooling efficiency (esp. cooling here in the Houston area). For installers, just ask around and get references from your friends/neighbors. My neighborhood has it's own email list and we all help each other out with contractors/painters/roofers/etc. Labor is cheap here but we figured about $500/window. - Lee On Mon, December 29, 2014 09:13, John Niolon wrote: > need to replace some 20+ year old wooden windows in shop and house... any > recommendations or warnings about the manufacturers/installers... I'm tired > of painting windows !!! > > john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 21:07:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFDE2584E48 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:07:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E7C2580890 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:07:35 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pIiYL33EnPtadz+irP2krO8kfzllMEG+lS+ru1ug4cj6aeWPR1u8mBhKMdBbLxv2; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.157.82] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5o9W-000492-9u; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:11:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:11:21 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Jim Juhas , Shop Talk References: <54A1CDD2.60105@snet.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TV converter box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second the vote for over the air if that is an option where you are. I had basic rabbit ears, but upgraded because I was tired of loosing ABC and Fox during recordings. I now have an outdoor antenna and amplified splitter that serves 3 TVs and my computer. I have a separate amplified indoor antenna that serves our living room TV. Two of the TVs are old analog with a converter (the kind that was "free" with the coupon when analog broadcasts were going away). If you have ok reception of enough channels, this may be good enough for some of your locations. I would expect you could pick up one of the digital converters pretty cheap from someone that has since upgraded to a newer TV or get a new one for under $30. I'm fortunate to be in the Los Angeles area and while I'm 36 miles from the major transmitters, get over 100 channels (includes sub-channels). I mostly get another channel at 60 miles in San Bernardino and surprisingly pick up some San Diego TV in on a side-lobe (90 degrees off of where the antenna is aiming). If you are not aware, you can go to http://www.antennaweb.org/ and put in your zipcode to see what is available over the air. The better your antenna and location, the better your results. Another option is to get a box like a Roku (mentioned as a widely known model, but I have no specific experience with it). I have a 4 year old Sony Media Player. It plugs into the home network or can connect wireless and pulls content from my PC or the internet and outputs to the TV either as RF or A/V. The newer ones have HDMI and may drop the older connections, so just make sure it can output in a format you have available on the TV. My Sony box is about the size of a paperback, but I think the newer devices are like a deck of playing cards. These devices can also stream over the internet from free sources or connect to Netflix and pay services for more content. My Windows 7 PC has a dual tuner card and records my TV for me - think Tivo without file protections or restrictions. With kids, I seldom get to actually watch live TV, so this works out great. I use Windows Media Center, so it is all free and I can watch on any computer or on the living room TV with the box. I also have a plug-in for Firefox called Download Helper that can save video from places like YouTube. I have DSL, so can't always stream good content, so I just download it and watch the file on my computer or the living room TV with the media player. There are some great documentaries and programs that you can grab then watch when you want. With all this, you should be able to have things to watch on at least some of the TVs without a cable box. Good luck, Brian On 12/29/2014 1:55 PM, Jim Juhas wrote: > The shop content for this is that I presently have TVs in my work space. > > My cable provider has announced the move to "all digital" requiring one > of their boxes at each TV, regardless of the TV's digital cable > readiness. I have coax to multiple locations in my house and shop and > don't want to rent ANY boxes from them, let alone the seven I would need > for this, plus in at least one location with a 7" screen, a corner in > our kitchen, the box will be bigger than the digital TV. Are there any > alternatives? Is there a digital equivalent to the old analog block > converters? Or will my digital TVs actually still see the digital > signals, just not at the same place on the "dial." _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 29 22:35:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A452580281 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:35:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AF0258023F for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-44c62e50.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.46.80]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0NHD00KCGRFRHFI0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:33:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:32:07 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] replacement windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not everyone knows this, but the term "replacement windows" has a particular meaning. Not everyone who replaces windows uses replacement windows. Replacement windows are designed to be installed inside the opening of the existing window. The existing trim, sills and sashes are left in place. The advantage of this is that a lot less work is involved. Interior trim and exterior siding are not disturbed. The disadvantage is that the opening part of the window is now smaller, because the whole assembly fits inside the previous opening. This is easier to understand when looking at them. Anyway, if you know all of this, I am sorry for making you read through the refresher course. I once got a free window air conditioner because someone installed replacement windows, and it no longer fit in the opening. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 10:13 AM 12/29/2014, John Niolon wrote: >need to replace some 20+ year old wooden windows in shop and house... any >recommendations or warnings about the manufacturers/installers... I'm tired >of painting windows !!! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive