From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:21:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737712580984 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8DB2580984 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lqDo1o0011ap0As51qPiZc; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 14:23:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lqPg1o00h06FvTL3iqPij3; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 14:23:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:23:10 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk s=q20140121; t=1409581422; bh=TgCJ+mbRcJik87Ud86oFTYIvYw3rI0guFECC4c01F1I=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ke/95KEpiRZg1Tk+7OgkvGvlWFCh04NGrZwwtGA490HJOi7zLGnFRCzqIsBek1RrI B/ADdBLgYE0eiImZix1bzDq+92GdN1FO/nSoUHnN6rC189qNb+qoO0ls6Akhlv2eBN Lmgy9shRIti1suxi6dDWz8bucu27O0AqZP3TpqDIa7zgzIU4P9ILtAbM/yKCXqu9PJ CbxcyFQe2y1sifnOAu976JAqSwtxnoQTpl5y69dz+BawwXVMwmlryTRj0WuniCl1De FqgRARc6iY9ARY2b0b1Tdp2xluZb8pAEICQ5I/4KLYCdOqFcvDsDWW1CRgZDt0PyG8 lATXGkXlYTJrQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] Source for refurb kits for auto parts. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net After 160K miles the throttle body on Ford Five Hundred failed. This one is a fly by wire. There is not accelerator cable to the throttle body. Instead there is a computer controlled motor/gears that open an close the butterfly valve and a pair rheostats (for redundancy) to measure throttle position. There is nothing wrong with the throttle body itself but if the motor or the rheostats fail you have to purchase the whole throttle body assembly. It's extremely easy to replace either the motor or the rheostat but I can't find these parts separately. Since I can buy remanufactured parts I assume there is a source for just the rheostats and just the motor. Has anyone found a supply for the parts that remanufacturers use to rebuild our parts? Peter Thomas _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:10:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8372585159 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0006.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8770258469E for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C836237BE for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:13:23 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:152:355:379:599:854:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1540:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2198:2199:2393:2559:2562:2693:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3865:3866:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:5007:7652:10004:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12050:12517:12519:13069:13311:13357:14096:14097:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:13:23 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk References: <5400D4FA.8060909@dinospider.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/31/2014 8:00 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Is it a capacitor-start or -run motor? Is it running at normal speed? Don't know and yes it is running at normal speed. > Have you ever blown all the sawdust out of the motor? Not recently but yes I have regularly when using the saw, I did it again over the weekend and I will see if that helps. > Does it run OK with no load other than the blade (not cutting wood)? Yes it does. > Those are the first things I'd consider... I threw in a new blade over the weekend along with a really good cleaning of the motor, we will see what happens but from the responses I got it seems its likely not the motor itself, just poor maintenance and dull blade, I have quite a bit of cutting within the next few weeks so I will test it. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:26:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA032585161 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39F2584532 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mFUe1o00j0l45Le01FUfWA; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:28:40 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Mike Rambour'" , "'shop-talk'" References: <5400D4FA.8060909@dinospider.com> <5405DE93.3060306@dinospider.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:28:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/GwImBQKy0j44ERl+d5NvG3Lf/WgAAahBA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Have you changed the way the saw gets power? It may be on too small a wire, causing voltage drop. My Powermatic 66 has a 2 H.P., 220v motor, but requires a 50A breaker, and #8 wire to spin it up and under load. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Rambour Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:13 AM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw On 8/31/2014 8:00 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Is it a capacitor-start or -run motor? Is it running at normal speed? Don't know and yes it is running at normal speed. > Have you ever blown all the sawdust out of the motor? Not recently but yes I have regularly when using the saw, I did it again over the weekend and I will see if that helps. > Does it run OK with no load other than the blade (not cutting wood)? Yes it does. > Those are the first things I'd consider... I threw in a new blade over the weekend along with a really good cleaning of the motor, we will see what happens but from the responses I got it seems its likely not the motor itself, just poor maintenance and dull blade, I have quite a bit of cutting within the next few weeks so I will test it. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:31:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB87F2585124 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0221.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF91B258474F for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C842D2691BF; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:34:18 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:854:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2393:2553:2559:2562:2693:2828:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3743:3865:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:5007:7652:7775:7903:10004:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12517:12519:12663:13069:13311:13357:14096:14097:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:34:16 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Pat Horne , 'shop-talk' References: <5400D4FA.8060909@dinospider.com> <5405DE93.3060306@dinospider.com> <005c01cfc6c2$921ddf20$b6599d60$@com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No I have not changed power, I well over 20 years ago made a small 1ft. long cable with the Unisaw's original plug configuration on one end and my walls 50amp outlet on the other end, that way I am using the Unisaw's original power cord, my little 1ft. long piece made with same gauge wire (don't remember what it was) and that into the wall. The 50amp circuit is there for my TIG welder and it works fine on that outlet (obviously only thing plugged in at a time) what wiring is behind the wall I don't know, I could open up the sub-panel and check but it has not changed in at least 20 years. However I will take apart my 1ft. piece and double check the connections on both ends. mike On 9/2/2014 8:28 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > Mike, > > Have you changed the way the saw gets power? It may be on too small a wire, > causing voltage drop. My Powermatic 66 has a 2 H.P., 220v motor, but > requires a 50A breaker, and #8 wire to spin it up and under load. > > Peace, > Pat _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 11:26:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460142585163 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D3325809EA for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6E/9B-04427-15EF5045; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:28:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:28:50 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/GwIEoAmhe/B3jRg6dbbdxmh3pvwAEbRIg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > On 8/31/2014 8:00 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > Is it a capacitor-start or -run motor? > Don't know Might be worth checking. Those old capacitors don't last forever, and a dried out "run" capacitor can cause similar symptoms. Kind of like a 3 phase motor running on only one phase. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 06:24:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBB625848D0 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 06:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDB225807E8 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 06:24:36 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:14:52 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/03/2014 08:14:54, Serialize complete at 09/03/2014 08:14:54 Subject: [Shop-talk] Need advice from mechanical engineering minded guys (so I came the best place!) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, this isn't typical shop content, but it is about heavy duty tools, so it fits. I'm looking for a log skidder for my ATV. I made my own, and it works*, but not nearly as nice as it needs to. Most of the better units have overhead lifts. When I looked at the price for the steel, components, wheels axles, my time, etc- it's cheaper to buy one already made. There are two different types of 'lifts' for these. One is a passive "Slide" type of lift. The other is a manual crank type. Here are the two models I have narrowed it down to... >http://www.hud-son.com/products/product-detail/atv-log-arch-bolt-together-skidder-arch< and >http://www.countryatv.com/atv-log-skidder.html< Here is a video on how the second one works... >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo&feature=player_embedded#t=2s< So, here is my question... I really like the idea of the 'slide' type (the second one), but can you see if there is any real design flaw to this? I can't find any reviews on this model. The other unit is from a company that I've dealt with and they make top quality stuff. Price isn't that important as I can most likely get a discount on the first one to bring the prices about the same. So, which one do you think WORKS better? *=For those interested, here is my homemade one. (It's designed to be unbolted to come apart easy and store in very little space. Not a concern with the new one.) Please ignore the poor welds and such, it was built in a hurry as I needed something right away. http://tinyurl.com/atvlogskidder Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 07:12:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1BF25848E3 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 07:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp002.apm-internet.net (smtp002-out2.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1002D2580749 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 07:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 93093 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2014 13:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (86.184.60.239) by smtp002.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2014 13:14:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 14:14:57 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need advice from mechanical engineering minded guys (so I came the best place!) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, I would opt for the slide. Nice piece of design. It's possible that the slide could bend or the stop at the end deform, both fixable for someone of your abilities. But then you're pulling it with an ATV not a D8. It also has the advantage of being cheaper. Nick Brearley On 03/09/2014 13:14, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, this isn't typical shop content, but it is about heavy duty tools, so > it fits. > I'm looking for a log skidder for my ATV. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 08:56:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16EB2584AD5 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB0A25804F8 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mez91o00F0l45Le01ez9Ki; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 07:59:11 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: , References: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:59:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/Hcny9SXYsciH+REuEP+RF9MgBZgAFHXGg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need advice from mechanical engineering minded guys (so I came the best place!) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, My view is that the fewer moving parts, the better. Why not consider adding an arch to your skidder so that you can tip the skidder up on its back end, cinch the log to the arch and then pull the hitch back down. This will keep you from having to lift the log up so you can get your skidder under it, then let the log lay on your skidder. But if you would rather buy something, I'd go with the slide unit. Depending on how heavy your logs are, and how strong the slide bar is, it may need replacing, but that should be easy. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- So, here is my question... I really like the idea of the 'slide' type (the second one), but can you see if there is any real design flaw to this? I can't find any reviews on this model. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 09:24:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EE62584E14 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S6.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s6.hotmail.com [65.55.34.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ED42584ACB for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W33 ([65.55.34.73]) by COL004-OMC2S6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:24:52 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Randall , Shop Talk Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:24:51 -0400 References: , <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> FILETIME=[3503B250:01CFC78B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, you mentioned Loctite "circular parts mount". I don't see a loctite product that seems to match. Recall the product name? SKF recommends a "light layer of a non-hardening sealant". Are they talking about JB Weld or other? http://www.skf.com/binary/12-128020/11337_2-EN-SKF-Speedi-Sleeve.pdf - page 7 Thanks! > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:54:56 +0000 > From: tr3driver@ca.rr.com > To: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com; shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal > > > > So either the new seal is just failing (it was after a track day), or whatever > > I did to clean up the surface made it worse, or just Murphy's dumb luck and > > it's leaking more now than before. > > Have you considered a Speedi-sleeve? You may have to look it up by size if they don't have that particular application listed. I've had good luck using a sleeve that was listed for a shaft some .010" larger than the one I had; used some Loctite "circular parts mount" under it and it sealed fine. > > Something else to look at is how snugly the shaft fits into the bore that supports it. On my Chevy, that bore was plain cast iron, and it wore oversize, allowing the equivalent piece (the Chevy didn't use a flange, just a CV joint) to wobble around. > > Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 10:49:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC55258454C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7E5258454B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W50 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:52:11 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:52:11 -0500 References: , , <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24>, FILETIME=[67FB8640:01CFC797] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net JB weld is very much NOT a "non-hardening sealant". tim > From: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com > To: tr3driver@ca.rr.com; shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:24:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal > > Randall, you mentioned Loctite "circular parts mount". I don't see a loctite > product that seems to match. Recall the product name? > SKF recommends a "light layer of a non-hardening sealant". Are they talking > about JB Weld or other? > http://www.skf.com/binary/12-128020/11337_2-EN-SKF-Speedi-Sleeve.pdf - page 7 > > Thanks! > > > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:54:56 +0000 > > From: tr3driver@ca.rr.com > > To: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com; shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal > > > > > > > So either the new seal is just failing (it was after a track day), or > whatever > > > I did to clean up the surface made it worse, or just Murphy's dumb luck > and > > > it's leaking more now than before. > > > > Have you considered a Speedi-sleeve? You may have to look it up by size if > they don't have that particular application listed. I've had good luck using > a sleeve that was listed for a shaft some .010" larger than the one I had; > used some Loctite "circular parts mount" under it and it sealed fine. > > > > Something else to look at is how snugly the shaft fits into the bore that > supports it. On my Chevy, that bore was plain cast iron, and it wore > oversize, allowing the equivalent piece (the Chevy didn't use a flange, just a > CV joint) to wobble around. > > > > Randall > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 10:58:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0808D25848EF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C4E258454C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id z11so10021874lbi.36 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:00:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+K9BjmnvU6wDNQTCLz9b//ryw5qlXRufpFtx/dKjE5c=; b=XA5REw9bVti6ORWgQ/oRftSiVfNtMfEixkzjJgRV8GukVKIYvzDXnFOoxWWmljHu7U qP7QvlECztNflBlpfuC6lNIs1eaDnfPe1s8lPJ8A+di/JOqWbHVGGotRgLUWtzcnPits gbFlbwxmKnEVKhYk72h1mNslWDC8GTBsvoEEJUm9ZiuzwTQ8lOFY7XVlXdD1AD8ECyZW 05nidCOD++93o20t4D7LcsH6sK4ZCKseL+1Qgkz9xb6drSgDalD9ozyFVqTSQfe01fn0 jexw6jwEq1elBwrvV+gt1vdLxNyKEU/OG3/GD/RMM17cwlUQ+QVmlSyO7KU6S3ew9B+e me9w== Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:00:59 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:00:59 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need advice from mechanical engineering minded guys (so I came the best place!) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:14 AM, wrote: > OK, this isn't typical shop content, but it is about heavy duty tools, so > it fits. > I'm looking for a log skidder for my ATV. I made my own, and it works*, > but not nearly as nice as it needs to. > Most of the better units have overhead lifts. When I looked at the price > for the steel, components, wheels axles, my time, etc- it's cheaper to buy > one already made. > There are two different types of 'lifts' for these. One is a passive > "Slide" type of lift. The other is a manual crank type. > The SLIDER, hands down. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 11:04:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D142C258491B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49524258454C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id c11so9946130lbj.18 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vSymXQthQdmbkyNmEGs2mf01qoHc5RE4AGB7dntlzhc=; b=kq8aTCFdt3BbEydLzP2nAb21hBp+xnfaMTeJA4TQWoH9tK5OoJwv4xCIJa74ykU90w lIniUzUPa7csAUU2BNnodr/wZr0PRtiR2p5F8BNnqhFehiOp31fH7vnlxo0FYp4azGg1 rhkEdIdr1xxuW5eaSZ5WyKx7t4+/CEoM3padCi/8AUAtAeizxp6qN0V/zXwXiF1XJlPg CF0fOaMw7SiozAs4A94fl9P4ji39tyU1kOIMYUJoNRLRmeuwL9JKdUKYfwkIxWEuFYpM PJ4oLodCKWFL/0BNQk5VhMGb8wxH6yiIY6X/5pyPAs3HhiU93hkTEcFw6WrcpBNfTeaE 7NMg== i6mr41269443lbi.54.1409764001284; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:06:41 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need advice from mechanical engineering minded guys (so I came the best place!) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 8:14 AM, wrote: > So, here is my question... > I really like the idea of the 'slide' type (the second one), but can you > see if there is any real design flaw to this? I can't find any reviews on > this model. > I like the slider. The maximum force in any one spot on the rod would be when it's first pulled, or when it's fully supported at the top...at that point, the force on the rod is very near the welded end. Once it overcomes the static friction, it moves along the rod and isn't concentrated in any one spot for long. Plus, it's simple. Simple is better. Let the log do the work, not you. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 11:10:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B602584578 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF9E258454C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 52/D4-13273-1EB47045; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 17:12:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'PJ McGarvey'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:12:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/HizWPgTSLCImtSyC7Tg1SxylaAQADXYMw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Randall, you mentioned Loctite "circular parts mount". I > don't see a loctite product that seems to match. Recall the > product name? Sorry, I guess I mis-remembered the name. It's Loctite RC 609, Retaining Compound, Cylindrical bonding. No doubt there are other, better choices, I just have a big bottle of RC609 that I'm trying to use up :) > > SKF recommends a "light layer of a non-hardening sealant". > Are they talking about JB Weld or other? > > http://www.skf.com/binary/12-128020/11337_2-EN-SKF-Speedi-Sleeve.pdf - page 7 I'd guess they mean something more like Permatex #3. JB Weld would be the "powdered metal epoxy-type filler" they recommend for deep damage. But of course, those instructions are for sleeves that fit the application. I was installing a sleeve on a surface that was smaller than recommended. When the sleeve fits properly, it actually expands as it is installed, guaranteeing a tight fit to the shaft. I've never bothered using anything in that case. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 11:15:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B10B258493B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951DD258454C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:15:45 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:05:59 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/03/2014 13:06:02, Serialize complete at 09/03/2014 13:06:02 Subject: [Shop-talk] Follow up for the ATV Skidder--- MIQ IS THE MAN! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net First, thanks for all the replies about the ATV Skidder. Seems that we are all of the same mind and that the 'slidder' was the best option. Of the same mind, EXCEPT one shinning star. I don't mean to embarrass Miq or anything, but he sent me a rendered drawing that showed me a way to mod my existing skidder to make is a slider. I'll be doing that as soon as I pick up some steel! It was a great idea. What a visionary. BTW, I donated $20 in Miq's name to team.net only because I couldn't buy him a drink of his choice over the interwebs. Miq, if you are ever in NJ, or I'm ever near you, I'm buying! Thanks again to everyone for the great ideas and help. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 12:13:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08529258459E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C3C258459E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id s7so1717572lbd.40 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hztMAoi0CloPDIIqKxeu+m4g6Ub6NNbRmcICsrvB/2g=; b=P9LT1JZu4J5fRCVF1hDfzSP59+eQPhLz9qcKTtvY9q9nTPbXEyyyk5vXwGozAJOTAk edxVPspyD7t8EPinDsqlGBX0Czaqyih+wysDKhpbyZkWp8S19d0z17Dtvp/03WXN7Lkk 5W9vSdizi8Iv/Z2pNie8VxKZY+0S+rBYd7q9BR81QMhmfDSyo8sTmP00dnc3t1DNVoNB 8YS/7bTwC5vzFp8ARbTIhmpG77kXI5doBBprhqcUISgjVGufyYUZ09asn1zg94JSLgea //hdwKB4xY9imJvvP0N/maOcfyswbCvaCyFa/SbjHQFD66hQPMFpGusJaxhXyfGNpiJK H0MA== ei12mr41201064lbb.6.1409768156480; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.202 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.98.202 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:15:56 -0700 From: Shannah Miller To: ShopTalk Subject: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hubby and I would like to get a good tig welder. Can anyone recommend one? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 12:56:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278792584903 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.252]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5626425845A6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:53:58 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409770602; bh=yIzbKBDJZ92QXJfm4PYNX6A4jJENXWEKdxsFE+fK7rw=; b=0LPuY1MBlMvdqCyaZmtCZG44ENT+wS/hBlQ9qvk/nMRUYpVfmBmq+iABUF5k1h5KLecOphRm2FkIGk3ld9rPd9OzYd5idRgKbGCqhmAYr/LWpQ0evV4VIjuV775mHdkRZCsJtgm0Es1qNbmg6Sb6DxvbNWdcwhU2bNWVnQFkqEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=OmM0HrUAgDkUYQPdkMWOeI2mryLj+XqHbWWfK5q02Eihl/5ReeiUaES9SaIHJOgMYYnY8bCe1HKKiz3gMtd9qq0s2itb4y2sKSm1wm18Eq9+GbOsUnvJ5dna5sbHmOFUJdy/FhI8OeamC0QnSGF5CQ8E7g5aYHN0aR7hSXeJmuI=; Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 18:56:42 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.116] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 18:56:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 18:56:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409770602; bh=yIzbKBDJZ92QXJfm4PYNX6A4jJENXWEKdxsFE+fK7rw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sfCw7voYc9cYFOPRfZ2aWNIP9ncGmpaHq+uGoLXTU1sFgHQWUtBtp5MpRQRSScGNW4ktSc9LQXoVJkxxR4j0JT7yyDitGrIT+srTnFKs4SVIzB0HUuLE1ceKbhd4w38rPZqBCHDPkznmxyzGrf9MZRls9v8h8pDIkZKHfvTC51E= cLWkIn0.guCToHYZIFtJvdBpNfirWMxm3XId1DMnFD2fpgEQvGjmUcYmTPkH YmNjZDq.adRQl39RRb_pfPxEqpfnXnsjKCWsLGQr5f0.Pr03Ls55tJfL5Mzg f5w9suvZy0DMDuX3OLr2hIynZ5u2eAZudjquJYwROyoaY9kAfjrY3qPB5OfU xRhIvrfomDm6rwPDgMVLThbJdl1QtgcP8.OPnVj4ETD7RfJpgv9j_9y6nUs1 phsNH9m7qQ69kqL25JIBl_lNpCgkkKenUBIvz2zlUjjlv0twHPw4.S8r5Kul KuosJWA.aFXbZbaZWFt.KLMB_6fAiDIPGtRP32SVILA6uPXN487ua4WBj9Zf nB.trPBBC1hw3x9QlAJ_18APD6Be521GzbzM6eE8a2o3MZEf_gI8JjifmiIG Ebe0PeA.d4.aVp1Y7ovp02UohbbtKYr6aAku6Igrv63GQGMft0bdmbDeVWW7 4NH7yXKI7maZj8S9_yxx4MxdEGy0f1ZK7AGg32TyUFGjJJmqQvtmv2GQB3I5 g37r4CFqN..3jXHNxi7WLHBQD0hzuxZ7sFpy7l.C9oBsurJtSWoEaSeaZF01 _ayqMj3NvPrBotB_J02Y3f_8VojPfUGkKRpQ42.8pNax3oHeByGf677E- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 13:56:44 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As the sign on the wall of the store reads: "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" Just my opinion, but a 'good' welder means Lincoln, Miller, or other brand name. I am partial to Miller, myself. I have a Diversion 165, which will weld _thin_ aluminum, as well as steel. The current version of this is the Diversion 180 I think. When I was in school I learned on a Synchrowave, which has a lot of adjustability. In any case, www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/ would be a good place to start... Where are you located? On 9/3/2014 1:15 PM, Shannah Miller wrote: > Hubby and I would like to get a good tig welder. Can anyone recommend one? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 12:59:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686652584931 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFDE25845A6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id b6so5601971yha.41 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SYRbfuzG4+fixV0IJXZPsgs0WHN/rXKioJfobh5cvTc=; b=jb8D7R1y+dFp+LKL7pz2qmawtHVn/wJwxfrYnu/wMAUhs2oNN71eSTBW0lVI/1k2/S cGHgUwdGChljaIl6EzwneFXtVQ3R81IWeV4bhbaAd/jrtzNnQU60/k1PVPGGTeM61SCr n/KexpKdh3Rs5vifOc7IsZPRJVxvEDnkyiG1VJQU3G+R7TIW1p2P6RQ3ymPrY0rpWtOM EeUb6/8Wv9L5YDeR3CZpANXyyBbjLFmB1wYcfPB2/0PY6hoU+9btOu2W7HmbQlfh5Fhl u+PPrldANlCFmx3FnE0S8E0oU6jDB030kuODYSTFYb662WoEHAOZjxT9lC44AxdG4nIb Kyyg== z46mr14586780yhb.115.1409770908984; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:01:48 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shannah Miller Cc: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The first question is : ac for steel, or ac/dc for steel and aluminum? Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 13:14:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7F72584A25 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3BC2580912 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m1so6304472oag.21 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:17:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A7wYSUV9w06pl6x9y+8hjBoVO27Lpjg8Tze0hDD3xac=; b=Q2fNzmRcHW4Zah1UxGBeKG0k5tVSCH1bR9iS0QXZDVdCSQoRfq5YnZRxzeygdu7EQz 0PYoDk6BGFZV7W0+9o1bPTfHpME+qYVy5kTmJ1pDFNT5rwfJzON+/CMKyCV1KEH+LFqc USH9dWecN4yGAnZbACCqrjPUvtYvAo4HI1pEVQkQ1oEIpfOCrmsdEtF97vQ6O9gAsuut 9vyodBLAmEehf51u11jzgQ0gH2t1BXnf8WgWN/0pD8Op1jTfjOJ80Md+t3hlylL4HJ37 hTFF7fJgGBY5Rx0+agQlhP/KTL8sUtRLhzKOpVbIyqWdfS9PNykvO+DVqUXo9lMC5Oag gikw== oz14mr41119530oeb.23.1409771842963; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.68.195 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:17:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <5407646C.3010809@att.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:17:22 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Whatever you do I'd suggest you buy from a local dealer. It may cost you more, but I think you'll get better after sale support. I'd definitely buy my consumables from a local supplier for the same reason. Ron On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:56 PM, steve hochschild wrote: > As the sign on the wall of the store reads: "Speed costs money, how fast > do you want to go?" > > Just my opinion, but a 'good' welder means Lincoln, Miller, or other brand > name. I am partial to Miller, myself. I have a Diversion 165, which will > weld _thin_ aluminum, as well as steel. The current version of this is the > Diversion 180 I think. When I was in school I learned on a Synchrowave, > which has a lot of adjustability. > > In any case, www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/ would be a good place to > start... > > Where are you located? > > > On 9/3/2014 1:15 PM, Shannah Miller wrote: > >> Hubby and I would like to get a good tig welder. Can anyone recommend one? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 14:43:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE9E25808BB for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A627A258043F for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id CB3248FC12; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E288FC0E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Shop Talk List User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Doug Braun wrote: > The first question is : ac for steel, or ac/dc for steel and aluminum? ( You got that backwards... DC is for steel, AC for aluminum. ) And the next questions are... * what is your budget? * how much room do you have? * how much power do you have? * how thick is the thickest material you plan to weld? ( and then double that, because you'll always find something else to make ) * what duty cycle do you require, and do you need a water-cooled torch? If money, power and space are no object, just buy a Miller Dynasty 700. There's no downside apart from the smoking crater it will leave in your checking account. Modern inverter-based units are much smaller and more efficient than older transformer units, like my Miller Syncrowave 180. Some people prefer the characteristics of the transformer arc, and they are much cheaper, but they are large ( mine is relatively small -- roughly a small dishwasher -- and 245 pounds ) and power hungry ( mine will pop a 50 amp 240v breaker when cranked all the way up ). You can't really go wrong buying from Miller / Hobart, Lincoln, or HTP... as long as you make sure the unit you buy meets your requirements. Chinese brands are much cheaper, but DOA rates are high, and you don't always get your money back. There are hundreds of threads on this very topic at weldingweb.com, but don't go there and ask this question ( at least, not without a lot more detail ). They've heard it too many times already. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 15:04:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA1425845BE for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253F12584F97 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:03:42 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409778386; bh=SWrphtrbm4m89ePbC4HpaXk7DeGV1kPXP27gtOJVdIE=; b=iOgppijle9Og+Vi55v+yTEjOifUy3AOdscuovpbOakd9mwidsEt1ppPLbIl2N4apzyVjkzo9aDmXNLKaber1TQ7LsQLHMfTF7B8X45gbZuK3aYR2RCodxbuxZEQj+Tf9KpQcGLSUt4Zu7qWrbxiFwYoEn8l2WNjejFS7BzSfZ6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=snet.net; b=MFYMOWmdVi5GoT6Cu/qmYpsH19qGySDWelcI3FM1z1S1DjQHzHwsGSnsZiXapMGh9tmBgwJ8kC5DVWBY6xP2mu/KN1lI0iUDz6z5+mbn9vnkPu++rp89tiu415lufxaL41+jRwojSb50AV4APL9/ra/RTb4q9qrCHw/yXOetkfQ=; Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2014 21:06:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409778386; bh=SWrphtrbm4m89ePbC4HpaXk7DeGV1kPXP27gtOJVdIE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=jHlseomGYcHH66+/mQPfWtS4Y1hEaV/fzNv9c6ZLxAqRA0I/d5nMwxRzQNXbATD4teTSBtSvlEN56vxOuNgA/RxmXN5FauL02Xczs1l2LVV0ks3T+hB2G0onbPrLEPKLnjV/7wzXy3AjgqZ7Hir3PWmocINCwZkSBXGZmUeeFOE= 4QpeN2GNtaGy.g7Dz7LtnwlYQJYEZzmeAnh_P_lkj7ls7Zj5ZDcnouMtUiDC iJqP7pjsAV1zC2eM3CH5cHFUgszgjIDVfOmkKBvyuqZt4boUktEHJePLTvxc fD.nvmBHKrRJ_X3rsZStCH9q2ms0.5gSC0UAztSBwIxCgDd_62DRgVh47cpR lDEMQypSHIvFRPNsC9vZlqYt77Ev3m3BGBbr2Ff2ameoKtIPS.sLkXSo3lzh 2EXrE6ZnQcx3263GWzFmdAFDzbfF0C42ecUd9IX3.VyG19SfhwP8MWLEeHd1 FhrbazQhHMb5PfGETajW1fJXBpHnsKIziWcVOS_OdIpgIpQkTdMaMCBtqFO1 TktMPA92AGHlZXQPTOmIQkymvVfIvcBI81Ir2IJRk2jAM5I4pPq4CbagNLV7 99M0JUTHckpdl9K3b7WemJzdPM2SIK_bbmhDAW9uy9UnjgI1Rrwx809VJLOE HIZzc3xz4bgczEBMoc_7CMucaNSbRjIkOttYU0A0sMXyHL9Qw1oYcw2M55Q5 BljnZ0lEUE8epCqUU7KceIzoQBjcWfgJhjMJ_oebhjKVZBOXf2qU- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 17:06:37 -0400 From: Jim Juhas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tig Welder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought an HTP Invertig 200 a few years ago that I'm quite satisfied with. I haven't used it as much as I expected but it seems reliable and predictable, good features and options available. The latest versions are more powerful than mine, but mine is adequate for my work. On 9/3/2014 2:15 PM, Shannah Miller wrote: > Hubby and I would like to get a good tig welder. Can anyone recommend one? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net > > -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 19:30:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4112585224 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 19:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.185.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25C825851CF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 19:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBC009UXSBV5A00@nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 01:33:33 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-04_01:2014-09-03,2014-09-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409040016 From: Robert nogueira Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:33:31 -0500 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a brass radiator on which I need to relocate the input outlet. I'm hoping to do it without disturbing the tank to core seam. I'm looking for suggestions as to how to go about this task. My plan is to place a damp cloth over the tank to core soldered seam and to use a high heat (oxygen and Mapp gas) torch so the new inlet and it's seam to the tank heat up quickly before the heat can travel to the seams that I want to remain untouched. The new inlet will be located about an inch from the tank to core seam. I'll also be using a infrared thermometer to monitor the tank to core seam. Anyone have other suggestions as to how go about this or problems with my plan. Note the current input is soldered to the tank from the outside only and the radiator will be used with a 4 or 7 lbs cap at most. Thanks for any suggestions. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 21:52:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BAF258522E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB725851E3 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.pops.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FE276CBA for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29614276CB6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:35:50 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> localhost.pops.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net PJ wrote: >Randall, you mentioned Loctite "circular parts mount". I don't see a loctite >product that seems to match. Recall the product name? >SKF recommends a "light layer of a non-hardening sealant". Are they talking >about JB Weld or other? When I did my crank, I used Hylomar 'cause that's what I had in my box. I'd think any RTV that's good for 300F or so would work. I don't think the trans parts get much hotter than that. Just make you use a very thin coat so it doesn't get onto the seal surface. If any does, you'll want to clean it off ASAP. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 481,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 23:33:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E7A25845F4 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D4725845C9 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55027] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id EF/35-22647-04AF7045; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 05:36:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Robert nogueira'" , "'Shop-talk'" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:36:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/H4E1Ehvl9XUsjRwijDVXGk8j+BgAHVsYA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a brass radiator on which I need to relocate the input > outlet. I'm > hoping to do it without disturbing the tank to core seam. > I'm looking for suggestions as to how to go about this task. I'm reasonably adept at soldering; no problem with electrical or copper plumbing and I've even had some success with body work. But my first thought would be to take it to the local radiator shop and let them deal with it. They've got the skills and the tools (including the acid dip tank); and so far at least, the charge has been less than I expected. Worth asking, anyway. BTW, true MAPP gas is no longer available in the US. What they are selling is a substitute. To me at least, it doesn't seem to work as well. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 06:50:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD0B25848AA for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF80258074D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:49:07 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409835111; bh=XR2tWCa6Yr3xZ8f6tDAgEiqE20fh+HGmY2L9eSUH588=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=H3QU5jIJ9XAUXJrTeXvXQms635bkYQ2V0xLFqAWNasWO3xzHXv6DdF6bizxxicNzd9WmolPVG0a5pzvTgsnFM5YVzJwuZVsVXNF6K1HpihzexBjmGED3k78KR55QvlN41EMjjVRfF/hUZbLPpojAXTCDRfGRoEO4LFWP6Dm+Qp8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=xFvYwVcDH61AD2wXHmAJv23BKVGjSFsAYSbc6YkccAaHcMBB/up5HDpegwYmnE6mi0nNwhwC2hhCSBQ95Jipi9aln5bMFSOyNowZvfW9fWmDILtpNpljWO13SnGzglFOPW6Mh0cQzp/c2jwPnDDmKyzHYQNib7W8ILzH9/y+7Qc=; Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 12:51:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 12:51:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 12:51:51 -0000 qGj59gqnvIoqxUm0.3jlrQM30l4b272HxBzbhEx2FfMtJ14T2.B9qLTHwy7K NtSYvGi2C4wyKe_0M9OrQkUTGHvoAvywmob.4vg2uFrE4n6SAvdizn.CZbb7 hVsQ_uHcUlwIamiI7PRpTNYN9TyFrQA1KNf1zooRq6yMnuU2vQZqpvvrF0j. JhZf8rM8TbeXg8N8wtXtWaIsfu842qxO3Q2FMx0mob0zTE9n4gY0hWUfmhOJ MjmWheuTnTwHZgaAs07hqwJe6mel6R0LZOGBh9t0lKWrVV8kXXbq3KdjrHYN zsgDI6vcxKQOXrq3i7ji67s9o9Pff.gtgsF1i0QQYu9X7gUd5HTV7nCLw69x zkv8ZSJWF7ZJO3GBVclvYHUFqr3ptfhQxL7Gl.dgxvb6M6Dk9Wyhv4NKKVts xiv.wKT.XHIyQLk16uTt8Ck8OzgC_UYPoX7kgeARI4BSZhAhu9VvqbgF3wjW 4_PcnU1An0y8uSgVOztPYd7IqZ1YsQXYGNYcdY6S3IYIOqzaW5A-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> <5.1.0.14.2.20140903203242.03960348@mail.avvanta.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:51:53 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHicV80Bg7nbh70QGYoKyDqqi3csQKMdYvqAeJxXzQBuH6KGZuaXalw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net While I'm a big fan of Hylomar and use it on so many things, it's not going to keep the SpeediSleeve from turning on the axle. If anything, it'll keep it from freezing in any one place. Randall's Loctite product (which you can buy at the FLAPS in small quantities, even a one-use plastic packet, as "Loctite Stud and Bearing Mount") will hold it in place solidly and strongly. Once positioned and set it's there, and will take heat to remove in the future. If you want future removability or repositionability on assembly, I'd try Permatex Aviation Sealant, the stuff in the brush-top can. It's resistant to most automotive chemicals, gas, and oil (works well on gasoline fittings), but cleans up instantly with lacquer thinner. It sets up and will hold the sleeve in place, but stays semi-flexible and will permit any realignment necessary on assembly. Karl PJ wrote: >Randall, you mentioned Loctite "circular parts mount". I don't see a >loctite product that seems to match. Recall the product name? >SKF recommends a "light layer of a non-hardening sealant". Are they >talking about JB Weld or other? When I did my crank, I used Hylomar 'cause that's what I had in my box. I'd think any RTV that's good for 300F or so would work. I don't think the trans parts get much hotter than that. Just make you use a very thin coat so it doesn't get onto the seal surface. If any does, you'll want to clean it off ASAP. Todd _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 07:25:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860BE2584B67 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051F72580B41 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEEF93C52 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F44993C4F for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 06:11:57 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: <5.1.0.14.2.20140903203242.03960348@mail.avvanta.com> <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> <20140828215456.KZW1L.84584.root@cdptpa-web24> <5.1.0.14.2.20140903203242.03960348@mail.avvanta.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Re: Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Karl wrote: >While I'm a big fan of Hylomar and use it on so many things, it's not going >to keep the SpeediSleeve from turning on the axle. The sleeves are slightly undersize and expand a bit as you install them. I think that friction is what holds them in place. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 481,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 07:28:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B262584B69 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781CA2584B60 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id n1XH1o00q0l45Le011XJlp; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 06:31:18 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Robert nogueira'" , "'Shop-talk'" References: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:31:16 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/H4FM66PeAjHx/T++oFrKZyDsLCwAY+p5w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Depending on how close you will be soldering to a seam, you may be able to use some heat absorbing putty to keep the heat from unsoldering the seam. Mist necks that I've seen installed have a flange formed from the tank to give some physical support for the neck, rather than just cutting a hold and soldering to the cut edge of the tank. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert nogueira Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:34 PM To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator I have a brass radiator on which I need to relocate the input outlet. I'm hoping to do it without disturbing the tank to core seam. I'm looking for suggestions as to how to go about this task. My plan is to place a damp cloth over the tank to core soldered seam and to use a high heat (oxygen and Mapp gas) torch so the new inlet and it's seam to the tank heat up quickly before the heat can travel to the seams that I want to remain untouched. The new inlet will be located about an inch from the tank to core seam. I'll also be using a infrared thermometer to monitor the tank to core seam. Anyone have other suggestions as to how go about this or problems with my plan. Note the current input is soldered to the tank from the outside only and the radiator will be used with a 4 or 7 lbs cap at most. Thanks for any suggestions. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 08:08:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE122584B61 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D01825808D7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:08:32 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409839877; bh=Kcl34HPuR/IY5nI6hGOMNmFWL8XKmbsY3ayltcbcg6U=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=Jl3g8BdbqthdghGIe44G4VTD14pG1I8YjfsFsqEk4wt22fEmw95j98Wo7smA533Dd8VJaoTOVcmWD2nT2PbhF1+lrVBySlGRmbR0/eAT5KKT3pphh46xl9i4okdbd952L3daw0vlq/2CDCrlDd/xWecsbsevD3ZOdEjNgd1EEWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=Ueg4gLXgm9W2HtPw9tiXmz7/5AB0hmSE+97Ih3+yJB15e14vkpKPR/aB/Tn+1peZ+Y7bGjCaLI7jdEsh0j9TmDRapnkOJeqaw4V/Yk1pswXjUXbJOnDnft/kSYiY19O6XBbd31d6jtAfVqaOWaaBhjzsi9cCIga0yjqqNMwKs1E=; Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 14:11:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 14:11:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 14:11:16 -0000 3sFh7Tgloq_kWsKEILso8edTNRQV6rOlmDefLqP9EWCp8_5Y8P5sp4xQfycC 2YcbiCB3SHnmOzK_hvpp7PTrVhh7hC2MNcgekmoy_fuPMl0w6NlS1xqBqooy MHSKVc8_FBvogfhFB5Q8OgHk5tSHsxvzoZVu6UGbz_6FLDSk0gy7bdOsFJxo E7iKLHhBs4LOFY0eyAkhlLLVPFVKlU3QJRIV_TsdQizYy1cLa5v0CgpCbqZA F2qR1nIvvOCSaHWJ3_d.cfJxGVwSkKFpLgiKMFlkTdbcNJLyX1C73tNoQupC tfvKOZ2IMAojFBFHuPMzfChFrgu1.A_zHgX6wGsmxsNeDuvhJ5XdtIgFa8D_ 7fszlpER7kU2GyZWzI4d.a3w8a9LsioI.HoJc7JHsp_DNIBr5yvnpjLDa9Ry VsfrgvZ7w2BOTKbTtQw4esrn5aJLz3z4wq1Djb3uhKC_uofVS0wu5bhLHdi9 lNUOemBH7.n6OCVSOtz1P8icbu_fZls3WCkbw9kObmeBKkuajzEpdHKri81k TeI.YbHg5va1jWSIMqdEW2lX.bO_3arAFUrGWAe.mai3II.GTaKKDZHJPfGN paW9gVaFGVm1zsjqJwVJWfmplq6HYgwuB8Wz5sg-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:11:19 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/ISfA+Imz/z0JATPaPeqCbgVEbsw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If this is a repeat, I apologize. My Shop Talk replies bounce when I accidentally reply to more than just the list, which I just did. There's a plumbing product called Cool Gel that absolutely works as advertised: http://www.laco.com/cool-gel-/ The stuff is uncanny. You have to be careful not to get the material too close to where you want to solder because it's so effective. If it gets closer than a couple of inches to a fitting on pipe, that fitting becomes almost impossible to solder with a normal MAPP torch. Being intended for use on copper plumbing pipe, which is much thicker and conducts heat so much better, it should work wonderfully on a thin brass radiator tank. I'd brush it rather than spray, for accuracy. As far as using high heat to solder faster, take it easy. Too much heat will just burn the solder and ruin your joint. Radiator stuff is thin and heats easily. Propane without oxygen is very adequate. MAPP or fake MAPP with oxygen is like oxyacetylene - way too much for what you're doing. And I'd echo Randall's suggestion of taking it to a GOOD radiator shop. If they're actually good, it'll be a cheap and strong repair. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat Horne Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:31 AM To: 'Robert nogueira'; 'Shop-talk' Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Depending on how close you will be soldering to a seam, you may be able to use some heat absorbing putty to keep the heat from unsoldering the seam. Mist necks that I've seen installed have a flange formed from the tank to give some physical support for the neck, rather than just cutting a hold and soldering to the cut edge of the tank. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert nogueira Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:34 PM To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator I have a brass radiator on which I need to relocate the input outlet. I'm hoping to do it without disturbing the tank to core seam. I'm looking for suggestions as to how to go about this task. My plan is to place a damp cloth over the tank to core soldered seam and to use a high heat (oxygen and Mapp gas) torch so the new inlet and it's seam to the tank heat up quickly before the heat can travel to the seams that I want to remain untouched. The new inlet will be located about an inch from the tank to core seam. I'll also be using a infrared thermometer to monitor the tank to core seam. Anyone have other suggestions as to how go about this or problems with my plan. Note the current input is soldered to the tank from the outside only and the radiator will be used with a 4 or 7 lbs cap at most. Thanks for any suggestions. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 09:59:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8570725845E4 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371A125845D4 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:58920] helo=cdptpa-web11) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id E4/39-13273-50D88045; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:02:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:02:13 +0000 From: Randall To: 'Shop-talk' Sensitivity: Normal 2014 16:02:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Pat Horne wrote: > Mist necks that I've seen installed have a flange formed from the tank to > give some physical support for the neck, rather than just cutting a hold and > soldering to the cut edge of the tank. One way to add some physical support is to form some soft 1/8" copper tubing to lay in the joint, then solder it to both tank and neck. Not the best photo, but you can almost see what my radiator shop did for me in this shot: http://goo.gl/EGekFi In the past, that joint has always cracked within a few years, but the reinforcement has been holding up fine since 2009. I don't have a photo, but on that "old school" radiator, the inlet and outlet fittings actually go all the way through the tank and are soldered on the other side. (Obviously there is a big hole in the side of the tube to allow for water flow.) Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 14:04:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EF02585388 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969BD258535D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:04:08 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409861213; bh=aqnDHOLgxpk4JCVGmA86CP+/cpYx2z232k+B+VAdBhQ=; b=MxwEQyQarX1kFIj7B4lw7ddtnHFeFl2bACFv38YOZb59nLpwEl27LTQFYF1bc1otoI/hSFZkHMn0WZ1zccBU7/KoP2qtK2NMGGM2PlUsmP3k9yB8gHSI6DeJv/h2mdd/P6qzlI609uXySl4ZDPtrID2H5EfAJw8hPV7zSltk5Aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=1aUEA6TUS2OmSCj4c/2HEqM0KcbPykuGCIuI+tAzaBb/LuI6KFIwhToC1m5TbNzMmCgONKBYZOpFilKL1g8TqsU0pX/eJHEqntjfD7OpNqH2dOY+39ZLQOpKPUfk3NNK0igbYUwNR3pY/2ZvKAHDYyUxufruMYjOufdkIEfguoY=; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 20:06:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 20:06:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2014 20:06:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409861212; bh=aqnDHOLgxpk4JCVGmA86CP+/cpYx2z232k+B+VAdBhQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=h2Pv7otinLzhcxR0oQ+eoJIZlKAKiRtVBrnBRWFylmNpWeyD5SQqJGSvpZPB8YYdVE4jK5UPEe7lkIh/fY83NJzCVRZ5MT6Vw1PjSdNgdQxRg7JXJxKGkgoVXNKfLriKIKSr4c83w+0tTqwDT+WK5HfrcUqy749EJhs0V4MeziA= pYniTvRUmb8HaU1EPIMroNa8P0_Gp5Rn0VecVRNl7n0tfTpEWKlfR8jqI0wp oJIlIc2os9VOjE6KBF4lqJz6lPzSWJlaIsbdW9bAHzoiqSvq4J_uKU8nMtue L98gxi8pLzdQBjWpq_5GapQMVIkeXtSBFRw56rrz4B_QIO_y0gmajsQwvS94 yMz9Xv8_JDR3_04qXbm0p9zbX8Ns3SxMgMUFvc_H_L9JFVkiJb9YDXhqqAcB Q2u6mW9EVvG6rKepPpo4wN3ZrJx_EpXKlTSyrNJyj1oQiuzm3cxz66REslmR yJ3IAVDQDe3HD15gj_bRtPN_7dy_mannTYvIddaTls_5PjLDUtvEMM6oaPm0 xBpp4Q2oYwHKOCvEPLV9EW2zzaIcQO.KSjCuzRqHp3vUE14FngvBEGbTBzYk xlcwN2PARa94ADKVYJ.OkliLRvxJ.VMMRBY6Bg.i3T7UvcezLhDBhNm_QeAO 3O2cyXxR5gwsjT5FZqtnRyrruzRnCI..YFMqFykg.yxGQtZ6_NKJ8bdHxGTV TAvMtfZ4jKLb_OUzk7xlG1dGHUBbNL48UmbfGfAH0NMCt3Ll7NaDNGip8kOF wziY.O44K6_osgdhjwDTxQF3.94ssSbUVqSxlwv0- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Internet gurus ??? Ibm trying to set up a verizon 4620i jetpack for remote internet access... signal seems poor 2 bars and very slow access... Ibm also trying an omnidirectional antenna to boost the signal... supposed to be a 9 db gain antenna http://www.antennagear.net/catalog/9LTE-VW-OEM-SMK-Set(3).png when I connect antenna I see no increase in bars and looking at the display on the jetpack I see no change in the RSSI it is at 32% and b114 dBi surely an outside antenna should increase my signal can someone explaoin the 32% % of what ?? and is b114 dBi good or bad... would b125dBi be better or worse... I donbt understand the nomenclature I guess thanks john --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 14:43:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A5D2585387 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4812585380 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id cc10so8207887wib.1 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qbiulpCMDTsk89x7orr1wnwIzj7OY1taKWFR9t0okAQ=; b=BbqngWGQJej0P4KWx2db8KVlAZcSFBM8zNjd+mvSrxYQs4i3OfqwwILK9V7gFSOCty h8fT/N7ZfpMImx2gBvqUh/ghZ9dxRI06B2c+vIIaJ1CVgrhJKLlKuaR/RmdpS+cxP7tS qdTDdsyUdvJjNLYvGqPaaZokzh52sALbUeCwksNHWoI+DSrfrbJKNBaGOyfcYMsfuJQm LbgGwK9NaHdOJXeyeI1QNEUnJa8HqOcVVf3UFVMTNHB/UmxCUYLHFvHH5Sg6zf2YU9m8 dP60IPBD4fR1JJUZs/h7jn+EGkAMx5vNZ+wEVQJ/4+oShlLHLTHJ/9LQVz7EAvgLdwi9 BBWA== nh18mr1372125wic.81.1409863516314; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.195.13.52 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:45:16 -0400 From: Joe Szwed To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] : Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Many years ago (over 30) a friend of mine had a radiator shop. I know when we used to build custom brass radiators for race cars, the tank corners, necks and hose connections were all silver soldered together as it made a stronger connection and as it had high a higher melt temperature they were not effected by the heat when the tanks were soldered to the header plates on the core with soft solder. I don't remember how we did the hose connections and filler necks on regular car radiators at the time. Like any solder joint, you had to get everything real clean. It was normal to pull the tanks off, glass bead them, make any repairs and solder them back on. Also we had a tinning solution that would be applied to everything before soldering. Joe _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:32:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991FC25848E6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781152584656 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nBaZ1o0090l45Le01Baa2p; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:34:36 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'john niolon'" , "'shop-talk'" References: <550961F5B92242FAAAA853F74EB51EFD@johnslaptop> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:34:31 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/Ie9shGKaOAQ9PQl2RbgH9YVKKwAAGbvAA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John, I'm afraid that an omni antenna will not get you what you need. What range from the hot spot to the users? Have you tried one of these hot spots at the local Verizon store for comparison? Comparing the radiation field of different omni directional antennae shows that as the db rating goes up, all that changes is that the signal is flattened out vertically which concentrates the signal in a flatter area, giving you a somewhat longer range. Generally this doesn't help all that much unless you are starting with a marginal signal that just needs a little push. Also, since this is a battery powered device, the radio in it is probably not as strong as something that plugs in and intended to be used within feet of the radio. You can't use this device to connect to another wireless router and supply a stronger signal to multiple users, but it will work for a single user though. The only way to get this kind of functionality for multiple users is to find hot spot that you can plug an Ethernet cable into. You can then connect that cable to a wireless router and it will work. As for the 34%, that is a signal quality. Most wifi radio links try to run at 75% or higher for fast and solid connections. The -114dbi vs. -125dbi question is not easily answered. This number is something that a technician or engineer would be interested in, but not you, so just ignore it. Overall, I'd try for the highest RSSI and percentage number, but I don't expect there to be much that can be done for this box. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john niolon Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:07 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength Internet gurus ??? Ibm trying to set up a verizon 4620i jetpack for remote internet access... signal seems poor 2 bars and very slow access... Ibm also trying an omnidirectional antenna to boost the signal... supposed to be a 9 db gain antenna http://www.antennagear.net/catalog/9LTE-VW-OEM-SMK-Set(3).png when I connect antenna I see no increase in bars and looking at the display on the jetpack I see no change in the RSSI it is at 32% and b114 dBi surely an outside antenna should increase my signal can someone explaoin the 32% % of what ?? and is b114 dBi good or bad... would b125dBi be better or worse... I donbt understand the nomenclature I guess thanks john --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 20:59:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B3725845DB for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s1.hotmail.com [65.55.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A86258053B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP110 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:01:51 -0700 Received: from Antec300 ([174.21.60.227]) by BLU436-SMTP110.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:01:49 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <001201cfc84a$199676a0$4cc363e0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:01:45 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/ISfA+Imz/z0JATPaPeqCbgVEbswAa0aZg FILETIME=[BCAE5090:01CFC8B5] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soldering a radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had a shop add a coolant sensor bund to my 1960 TR3 radiator when it was in being hot tanked. I don't remember what the cost was, but I was stunned at how little it was, as I was prepared to do it myself if it cost much at all. It is a simple job for them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 11:29:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE002584736 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DA8258071F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nSDK1o0080Fqzac5FVY3hj; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:32:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nVY21o00n06FvTL3UVY31Z; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:32:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:32:07 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk s=q20140121; t=1409938323; bh=rugwCNyzQOt3yakFGzuG9t/j2YLdvIkHbPITxxegcKM=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=a48kvGidPOB2hfb4aGif+570xFkM1Dwrp0tFkbOs1y/I38pHdxEQKmjvph02Hxs46 lmvLUN/I+X9pftvFnBF7rCUFCKtKD5cIHhgVJOQ+P2vJTY5ZfgAZgXAY/y3XrjsPsf 00wgjz2onFuU8DDnteeHZ6cnLzc6hEpXsRXurBO9Nzks372bx81Q1VZbt19BhHPaMK d4JfLxqhhL7bXR8YMTCXbnTXWb+TTaRv3v+ZXWXwxyuPpiu5tAra5h7ld1nlX55rqs rxf6OkfjZLSgb35m4ffnwbvxFiqiKhTVvoKqN7OBU3pG9tqo1sceJq/MgklMeAH4FY ixQbuD+itpXKg== Subject: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just replaced a part with a new part instead of a re manufactured part. Now have a core but no need to have it re manufactured. Does any company buy cores? Peter Thomas. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 11:44:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DB32584C0E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32BC0258071F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:34:35 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1409938639; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Y4uKkZtRvWMY48SVLnIo3p5ye3qGPSelnM25lFMaOVtjn6kRJllKqJcCX4dkw8kpA R5jt3VZWaboDZETQzEbo/xTZ8oDgQZm8ct8vUcQbrGMAuIDyN7R6jBVXtjD+xz9RvC SVELsfmbmvqHQIoJCpqBK55j7riVqOwIMGrFTc3Q= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLAV7F3AU9LRLJ for (sender ); Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:33 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:33 GMT To: pj_thomas@comcast.net Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net TRF used to. Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Peter J. Thomas" To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:32:07 -0400 Just replaced a part with a new part instead of a re manufactured part. Now have a core but no need to have it re manufactured. Does any company buy cores? Peter Thomas. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5409f4b9cdf4674b92d31st01vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 21:53:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9091A2584D82 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F662580754 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eu11so23509761pac.19 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:51:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2oKB0YD5zJsaFKdapA12lrmFIA2dOVZ/vLEkLz8YF58=; b=EYPAa6JB/yxrBtg9nSdWWY0JdDE+42REhQRSp+puSJbuDQK6I6g2FOm1Klckstn1gM pocyagqz63pwxndJVqy+T/vf644m0y34KFpNDcj3DYm8eI6M7EFedi5T4uPvztalhfzL PSHtw6O2k8s45j9SOJMMCWY2ALvGy5Ll0vGtoFU8h/2kRuMfRGOUdzePFHXdUg3TJsnF 59DBl+tUDvmeFaMCQLmsjruB0zj3JyUFG9Syq1KuWhNz/2fG4cR6XQddQFL864ZP8fhV wueNyesOkIjlTeHFRuOZUANmxvcXQh3d8osETI9OAZ7x1rmZuI9V+/keNG8XzWY5FKHf JzMQ== dn3mr1370035pbb.108.1409975467537; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.128.78 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:51:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <5409F397.8050509@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 22:51:07 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: "Peter J. Thomas" , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > Just replaced a part with a new part instead of a re manufactured part. Now > have a core but no need to have it re manufactured. Does any company buy > cores? > Call your local junk yards. And ask the shop you bought the new parts from. Unless you're talking about an engine or transmission or other expensive thing, don't expect much. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 05:49:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AE82580B06 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 05:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97422580257 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 05:41:29 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410090255; bh=ykq+kmpIWu/Lwd6hbYeexgwWp5qhKk7V7HFjl75uJRE=; b=sR0zB3pNkfaShbyRqy1cESmH/l02uZSNPPb0X5nGkovwoUcDv5ybnc73AfRtIkHc28TKcCzxywipv87LDd4LsYiqjkr9gykxBtuEz9tf1tmgK/mZX6626F2lGB0ImwuT0k+sNMsso0EitKv6irIP1n/70zrrYiMu4NTYaFcGGvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=h4qvT6CJu+4V+pPtAIUxZ9anbgTIE5relLo3o69wdlrbCRtonW+mIZ/oB9h6c3To1FigoCz9sdKr6K7fV/hl+ZsZVUxxHq1ZKmluZUk+1og0IZFsp7EjZjDWQjobz+S58+iT6wo/DNlAhB808qAyRuu7rM1VYh24/kI+Vjfgceg=; Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.113] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 11:44:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 11:44:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410090255; bh=ykq+kmpIWu/Lwd6hbYeexgwWp5qhKk7V7HFjl75uJRE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Q/Wvxm5CrHEidmH27UxNb+AX30k3LfHh6MQ5mKGibiBgU12Wc047kH/c2nDI5HJz6n8JV+B5NFXkKDErRO0c4fSBHVsgigIZcK+aPcZ4H0VFvgoC04c8EYpJYACmTO9qP5/ye7ASPc6dOP20UepkQbjXt+BBu5VO036AQE7cY2I= Gu8pV68LYTUbelf1bJn3dJbeA87VQyMTOl3srrsjH6_Lkz3VcmP.88kA40hJ 69o92DUXbDwtZzWGSHuTdD2eMlW4raWuWUT6izcyaT388KkDEQXGHVXmzqWw KahviebrJ2ykLNYN9xZ6brBUrBTNGp0QceP_aws598XyenDNHj4dYy8v__sG Fbnwi7x0i9NlOD_DxvyTkRLVoC8nBxBA5bfolT40OpGBc6jN7i4p5Xd21X5A bL7Ng9R7O8oNi2AXf7_hSeFO6IfD5ArbmjkbhVEqEWpFzsuOSRG.EDWTCyug yodk9V56OuQKO4p0_7awdAokRFWVEYh5YLyuwtJm9qNF3HIz88HsyaHWcxgc 5cX1GgkpiAOFm1Wh4V1_j16fj_p3V7J6t97_BdLxZMrsUsmn.m7QLVM0WJzP yLgCq3fFdkE.b3qAZ_RyzLTvVf1InR_RpZWlqrrcxdOCnklaVPgm9GMC0.dJ BzZk5TlqilNohtcfvfP6FiGkGrtm056frsJzMEfV6NHctWIl.niouES11OeO daukS7ZBQRWDkBvM.vm3SjU6rezzJON8xhCn6CsPw.tW_usvT0upVeeX3zgj LNyuKXfj3mNmRA2jabK0vOZXlG8qzYJ14T3b88LvzWJRZfhW7TFups7O7exn tePzogLw.a3G87w8Pen7ms5wgY61AZxhqXvUmJDGOfIWB8xHXajg92DQa7sJ 52LRbss5Rbcs- From: "john niolon" To: "Brad Kahler" , "shop-talk" References: <550961F5B92242FAAAA853F74EB51EFD@johnslaptop> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 06:44:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well Brad... you were spot on. Put the antenna up about 15b (5b above the trailer) even fabricated a ground plane under it... and it absolutely no difference in signal strength or dBm readout... thatbs a hundred bucks in the wind... suggestions ??? thanks john om: Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:20 PM To: john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength John, I think you're using the same jetpack I am. I also have an external antenna and if I remember right at most I would see one bar increase and possibly no bar increase. Been a while since I looked at it. When I get home I'll check what the status is on mine and let you know. Also, my Verizon 4g isn't super fast but it is faster than satellite by a fair margin. At least near Richmond Kentucky which is where I'm at. Brad On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, john niolon wrote: Internet gurus ??? Ib m trying to set up a verizon 4620i jetpack for remote internet access... signal seems poor 2 bars and very slow access... Ib m also trying an omnidirectional antenna to boost the signal... supposed to be a 9 db gain antenna http://www.antennagear.net/catalog/9LTE-VW-OEM-SMK-Set(3).png when I connect antenna I see no increase in bars and looking at the display on the jetpack I see no change in the RSSI it is at 32% and b 114 dBi surely an outside antenna should increase my signal can someone explaoin the 32% % of what ?? and is b 114 dBi good or bad... would b 125dBi be better or worse... I donb t understand the nomenclature I guess thanks john --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 08:05:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939B925845CC for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 08:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0008B258455C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 08:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oE2Q1o00327AodY53E4bcd; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:04:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oE4a1o00L06FvTL3fE4bLg; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:04:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:04:31 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk References: <5409F397.8050509@comcast.net> s=q20140121; t=1410098675; bh=AMsUQf1Yb2Esz/enFgAx+BNquY7dwu36vfmmWB5OH8Q=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=RVrwq137393tTABir8lfN8CjhTj7ovtIOHMbZNZcm76y84Hrih230KyeehnWkTeJs lhiElbPm0VgrGahxCkevsB5qnBySS7YMbi4t17TIn4CEL+Hjan8NipCnM1Kvf+a2vm ay7outgRjAzDuDSg333PNDW+YRzlf1+780JyGQuibLZ813ikwN1tVJok6CYzAkhtf2 MziUytVjaI3yUoPSMrmF1fRmo6I6ZcGmqU9yohQmpjKDyXGeyGb05xE3UpPsGl1yYq wkNOTFBxqOjp1Aq1tobjum4mvyACum87u1N7PKJcliEZNxflm5jZsuHZ6Os46M4h61 JcDAia0/ihizw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/5/2014 11:51 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >> Just replaced a part with a new part instead of a re manufactured part. Now >> have a core but no need to have it re manufactured. Does any company buy >> cores? >> > Call your local junk yards. And ask the shop you bought the new parts > from. Unless you're talking about an engine or transmission or other > expensive thing, don't expect much. It's a fly by wire throttle body. New OEM it's is about $600, refurbs vary but are around $400 with core charge is about $30-50 bucks. It also appears to be an indemand part with low supplies. I ordered a new one online (horror story) and they don't do cores unless you buy a part. I'd expect a auto parts store or junk yard to at most pay half. I thought selling it directly to a refurb might make it worth the effort. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 10:50:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EC2258456A for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S31.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s31.hotmail.com [65.55.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BD82580449 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU437-SMTP17 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S31.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:43:42 -0700 Received: from Antec300 ([174.21.16.53]) by BLU437-SMTP17.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:43:40 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: "'shop-talk'" References: <550961F5B92242FAAAA853F74EB51EFD@johnslaptop> <89B38AA80491447B8FBEAB21D410EA73@johnslaptop> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:43:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/KkiAforfwot6eREClVHzpfk5ffQAJ9IBA FILETIME=[E0E67080:01CFCABA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength - ATT QUESTIONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Helping a friend; Hey guys, I read some of this thread, but it didn't really apply to my so I read and deleted. Last night a close friend was complaining that he switched to ATT and now his reception at home is not nearly as nice as it was with Verizon. Did anyone retain a summary email about what worked well for ATT for boosting the local signal? He doesn't need much, but it will need to cover the area of his home. Thanks in advance if any one can help! Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john niolon Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:44 AM To: Brad Kahler; shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength Well Brad... you were spot on. Put the antenna up about 15b (5b above the trailer) even fabricated a ground plane under it... and it absolutely no difference in signal strength or dBm readout... thatbs a hundred bucks in the wind... suggestions ??? thanks john om: Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:20 PM To: john niolon Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mobile hotspot signal strength John, I think you're using the same jetpack I am. I also have an external antenna and if I remember right at most I would see one bar increase and possibly no bar increase. Been a while since I looked at it. When I get home I'll check what the status is on mine and let you know. Also, my Verizon 4g isn't super fast but it is faster than satellite by a fair margin. At least near Richmond Kentucky which is where I'm at. Brad On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, john niolon wrote: Internet gurus ??? Ib m trying to set up a verizon 4620i jetpack for remote internet access... signal seems poor 2 bars and very slow access... Ib m also trying an omnidirectional antenna to boost the signal... supposed to be a 9 db gain antenna http://www.antennagear.net/catalog/9LTE-VW-OEM-SMK-Set(3).png when I connect antenna I see no increase in bars and looking at the display on the jetpack I see no change in the RSSI it is at 32% and b 114 dBi surely an outside antenna should increase my signal can someone explaoin the 32% % of what ?? and is b 114 dBi good or bad... would b 125dBi be better or worse... I donb t understand the nomenclature I guess thanks john --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 14:23:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F57C258473D for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8349258080C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:13:05 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:03:15 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/07/2014 16:03:18, Serialize complete at 09/07/2014 16:03:18 Subject: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. these are related questions... First, I want to thank Miq once again for the great suggestion on moding up my skidder. It's coming out better than I expected. While I'm still building this, I have a very important question about material strength. The last thing I need to build on my skidder is the bar that the chain rides on. Here is a link to the video in case you want to see it again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo I need to know what size pipe do I need to use for this skidder bar. The two choices of pipe stock I have (I'll send another email about the steal supply around here) are... 2.25 ID steel pipe (16th wall thickness) or a 1 5/8th ID steel pipe (8th wall thickness.) Here is the problem, if I go with the 2.25 pipe, I can't find any ring to go around it. With the 1 5/8th pipe, I could find the ring easily. The bar will span about 64". I don't know exactly what the weight one side of the log will be (the pipe will only be point loaded for a brief time.) The second question is for anyone that bought one of Harbor Freight's pipe bender. My question is, do you have an neat ways to store it with all the dies? Thanks so much. I can't wait to finish this skidder, I'll post photos once I get it done. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:39:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4659E25846FF for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F47125807DE for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by itonami.pair.com (Postfix, from userid 3198) id 519558FF01; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itonami.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103C8FF00; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: eric@megageek.com References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, 7 Sep 2014, eric@megageek.com wrote: > The second question is for anyone that bought one of Harbor Freight's pipe > bender. My question is, do you have an neat ways to store it with all the > dies? I bought one of these a few years ago. Very useful for makjng terrible quality, kinked, bends. If you want anything decent to result, you're going to have to fill the tube with sand and weld caps on the ends. At which point, you may as well suck it up and buy a real bender. I liked this tool so much I don't know where mine is. I think I loaned it out with the stipulation they never bring it back. It's a pipe kinker, not a bender. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 22:30:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F5025848B1 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE9F2584856 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so100903wgh.24 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=E4GZgl//gOWks/dwDeXjAlUjpq+E7gO1dp2riawpDDc=; b=Do9rrVauH/5tjYJRtsGKVNFzT26q0eljJn8S5uSN4rhPYJIhgzUHdV8yX1OH9HeMVc DweMqNUHqaUyWctC0anxO02yukkI9+UurAamPuVSzN947k/PjXskHXt3W5uVo0aneuTd aPgRYX/yuQL5H6B4BhGgikUKyPLGX+HqwcDGWT4eI15yhZO4QSBQLvwyb5GAKAG/wtdd fK8rL+qmft17zXvAcKmpBH8ItbxRF/NSqcmUFsWmdkUjV3FnPVhlv2uQuVf7FBmgCVhA KMK7AyixL6FIPSfQceDL48mfgjtlxapRDx6rWjFT3rhqqkt8HSHbBhufUo4OUlKII/UK 70rQ== kj5mr32319032wjc.50.1410150805521; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.172.195 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <5409F397.8050509@comcast.net> <540C65EF.8060309@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 23:33:25 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: "Peter J. Thomas" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Does any re-manufacturer buy cores? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *Long, long ago, a college pal was a junk scrounger and made serious money buying flathead Ford V8* *engines and a long list of parts for a rebuilder in Ft Worth. On the list was some odd **Chrysler connecting rod; the rebuilded was offering $10 or $12 for each! Ron majored in this item and amassed a big pile of them, I donno, maybe 50 or 60. Most of them, he'd had to tear down the motor to "harvest" . When he presented them to the rebuilder dreaming of his hundreds, they said: "Hell, we only want 3 or 4 of them!"* On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > On 9/5/2014 11:51 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Peter J. Thomas >> wrote: >> >>> Just replaced a part with a new part instead of a re manufactured part. >>> Now >>> have a core but no need to have it re manufactured. Does any company buy >>> cores? >>> >>> Call your local junk yards. And ask the shop you bought the new parts >> from. Unless you're talking about an engine or transmission or other >> expensive thing, don't expect much. >> > > It's a fly by wire throttle body. New OEM it's is about $600, refurbs > vary but are around $400 with core charge is about $30-50 bucks. It also > appears to be an indemand part with low supplies. I ordered a new one > online (horror story) and they don't do cores unless you buy a part. I'd > expect a auto parts store or junk yard to at most pay half. I thought > selling it directly to a refurb might make it worth the effort. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 06:17:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21492585062 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2389025850B4 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:07:00 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410178187; bh=k9cGvuhrWL2xU1lKNbIozf+Gpiajta88EzbF/lmQOD4=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=6UZb4vNyfii6NqF+RsdkNzp8efCgjuANjvhjhUOfwBYBdpxIcVpkVykO7E1fa948fq5JfwMd3PNDJW8d3C501EhHrgTRvuoAAbG+o2PpxZqDGu1J1rJ2EcAwVLiX9sIo6khvwi5Jgm0NUbx2W6uH7U40vw8KFVp7PaR2iKdPPDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=wp9/bKX7hR4Nof9t2FQQFupaFtQkl2pxc//OBNtPoVAs0Jl9xF9MaZNnljcyiPNH5kY1EmydYBhUlnHiSBolXNUxxZecFG7mdLxtMNU56IqH9JNNcmvJVSmH7vOzMpvogmSzPR2idleR8dorHVJdMiP9c32fvRqNAVSWku+2d9I=; Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 12:09:47 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 12:09:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 12:09:47 -0000 ZBYUUDJ8voyg0tpKPteGhBSpea3oZ4ds2LXw9R.NDwUxMmirhuqqjBW57Nt6 lN9WIcU7MZDlQ3m2ZuT91.wu5cZeHA3Ir5bodGt0ERV9mUm_D.Qodo0RaYmO 3dXJE7IXW8Yli8IyqDt93sSpSnG8D7zRxQ8t6gBH9GwayEzptLGK0CZtEZQN UjUdRSaLzXWrnpVuvMXwuCpvzL1qUBEjYp1dATSC5zM3UQpU_aEb68hOovpe 4pUmrn6lbEu6h0mxBM9txfOkXGNtXNOrog8uJssnsiVZP1xBGz72vIn5s366 ZKIq.uMkFgufhaZIDqYc51PTUPFpNFxCxOJmlgzhsXSZWuYECoM_2A2_lGpJ gcyJXiiM4PEtfi_M1JRcqntyOcvGUe_HoKEy4Hk1r2h4xEW5Inez30z9_qSD ehoMrcUW.RsEYArE.mHDFgQl4g4UT6AggQzqQH2EaGjHi1rq3LOeOAHkcrtp G8KY1lGURwZeMSBm3Yn0G1G7VbUCglSHi6efz1pk._Za2UVE6LlMOlJkKjE7 mK3dJ031f2P495kVVuB_feKS1TMwR9bSmmo6ncfLy.QNyWWnsLcJQ9.3MEMY EhMJEIp56tnJBB3qMeg-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:09:51 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGCCXEWCjIIrYC5dy834CKZeQeFZ5ySplRQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you go with the thinner wall, I'd suggest substituting a short length of heavy, next-size-up tubing for the slider, rather than just a ring. A ring will present almost a point load to the tube and over time tend to dent it in places, hampering the sliding action and eventually causing a bend and failure. Karl -----Original Message----- eric@megageek.com Yes. these are related questions... First, I want to thank Miq once again for the great suggestion on moding up my skidder. It's coming out better than I expected. While I'm still building this, I have a very important question about material strength. The last thing I need to build on my skidder is the bar that the chain rides on. Here is a link to the video in case you want to see it again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo I need to know what size pipe do I need to use for this skidder bar. The two choices of pipe stock I have (I'll send another email about the steal supply around here) are... 2.25 ID steel pipe (16th wall thickness) or a 1 5/8th ID steel pipe (8th wall thickness.) Here is the problem, if I go with the 2.25 pipe, I can't find any ring to go around it. With the 1 5/8th pipe, I could find the ring easily. The bar will span about 64". I don't know exactly what the weight one side of the log will be (the pipe will only be point loaded for a brief time.) The second question is for anyone that bought one of Harbor Freight's pipe bender. My question is, do you have an neat ways to store it with all the dies? Thanks so much. I can't wait to finish this skidder, I'll post photos once I get it done. Eric P _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 06:32:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1642585114 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E5D2585062 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so7795263lbg.30 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:26:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CH/17BplrBoLrsIMdgmEztwSb/TJhop7rT1BZHVYEGI=; b=ds8atbE1E/Dimcw2psx5c18VVifV7SCj76cNcm1mVeyEpJVlcIMPH0nl6g8Qehfcz3 VOJB78Xh61vHu+NQ+RdvgbufP+iX7O12UaQX8osaWrXDZ2bkhAGJhEEQSc3mCH1QIYQR KvtDZppb/oF3ZXW0UtVMqHzCt5i8S+hIfv+wDiUTV8anU6LlLoSYw1LmPBIx1+oPNVc8 RFJ5Ec7hpfXSGbFnQdOmI+I56uTAIBfCNKt6jhGMdkojuGH0lO6y9dPbDwDreddFKhtW kxWI20knWfDXsJiqI9ucvp3MGCxpNIFWsvUjcNntTD8hue2uIRx0lN+7OTtwludPAXs/ Gz2A== qk1mr12494911lbb.4.1410179185507; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 05:26:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:26:25 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM, wrote: > The last thing I need to build on my skidder is the bar that the chain > rides on. Here is a link to the video in case you want to see it again... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo > > I need to know what size pipe do I need to use for this skidder bar. > It looks to me like the bar is something like 3/4" solid rod. Not hollow at all. If the frame of the skidder is 2" square tubing, then the rod is much less than that. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:18:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDFB25850CD for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7341F258074B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ob7a1o0040mv7h051dMA44; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:21:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id odMA1o00706FvTL3XdMAnl; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:21:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 09:21:07 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: s=q20140121; t=1410182470; bh=AhuCblKhDEYWAy1c5ourrWcrIvlVfhxPffC8pw0wr/g=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=aoD/LQ7EMuLplFVY644cxZr7XjOJ7MqY8Z9bslJhqCh8IlGUsVgUrobBEN/m4sYLE 4zpftAh4R2HjuIabrE6lxN/uwy46BfhxRHKbTxyOc08OupuNGo0tqu+VLiOETm47Uw yniEre7idhf84y/aZNAfok2v2Sro+/EIq5CF+zwJu3QtRCcdbxARrvdKc7CDm+7b/O SkBH65hestfVsQie58v9QiT542z2GzaxnRlrJmTFJjlakfzvETAg5kpjDuOPaiyKFD x+1Vw9aiRla/XkvR7p8qE+b+sZxixYWXnbdbyaQLnhj0xT+1RAA6be0NCzs4MQ9fEE EkGgmXxFxdaTw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/8/2014 8:26 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM, wrote: > >> The last thing I need to build on my skidder is the bar that the chain >> rides on. Here is a link to the video in case you want to see it again... >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo >> >> I need to know what size pipe do I need to use for this skidder bar. >> > It looks to me like the bar is something like 3/4" solid rod. Not hollow > at all. If the frame of the skidder is 2" square tubing, then the rod is > much less than that. Second the square/box tubing, much stronger since the force should be mostly downward. For the slider you could also use a section of the slightly larger square tubing with a hook/eye welded to it. I don't think the final bend at the end is needed; that's only if you want the log to remain hanging when not in motion. Peter T. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 08:18:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824692580B26 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5B4C2580963 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:18:49 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1410186096; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=J5XuUtQQsUW9fGME1Nh9XhrIxpXjLRIjAV4hzOT50cu1+gRcKImCP9N0IofSPB8JW WN9xdGuL3mcfpDjTaIERLZLBDKzPhicw/PeQOBlIhjiFsaiJ4Xf+hl4i31ucvF1N+M bi7OJQ6kz689+Vp/38RhVdZli1z2NISppV0YJ5MI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLA5Q4EATZJ8TA for (sender ); Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:19:22 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:19:22 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Piggybacking off Peter, if you used a piece of square tubing welded 90 degrees to the slider, you could cut slots in it and size your chain so that you could simply pull links into the slots for easy hook up an unload... ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Peter J. Thomas" To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Follow up on skidding trailer AND a new question about the Harbor Freight 16 ton Pipe bender Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 09:21:07 -0400 On 9/8/2014 8:26 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM, wrote: > >> The last thing I need to build on my skidder is the bar that the chain >> rides on. Here is a link to the video in case you want to see it again... >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAtTP9-yUo >> >> I need to know what size pipe do I need to use for this skidder bar. >> > It looks to me like the bar is something like 3/4" solid rod. Not hollow > at all. If the frame of the skidder is 2" square tubing, then the rod is > much less than that. Second the square/box tubing, much stronger since the force should be mostly downward. For the slider you could also use a section of the slightly larger square tubing with a hook/eye welded to it. I don't think the final bend at the end is needed; that's only if you want the log to remain hanging when not in motion. Peter T. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/540dbb44d193c3b440d89st03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:47:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D862580B27 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953E125809A4 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a41so12448726yho.3 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NqU2fSUSQt2WIpNP4q2WAFYSTvuJ49v+aCxjj14J2gQ=; b=DU5hOhHHvpashD2m0F2LtK76liaJLMK2ZQQeHMHWdrfLy+7RVuPjlnQRn1T1CTR9K9 t0qz314uHYcmQnCMRw6090vq2/vALxFpzTITWAUPnKRKyN416uxclJo1VsLZNq2wUUmm oJbP+z3F3iaD4N+l37iH0ccJC+Z9lJD6VR2WxqCdmsLWrsnU1N5X16I2diVkKyDFekAa ZRAMY5q5q+Lc0OEoVEnzxZj2fXJPXJ8Ka0JNaGUpS9wPzmkCq7CURUnM1NKB7i+NBrEv dwhemxoaGwCIKy1O2hqBz+7oMCiqaWro1OqDjWH6kl5DTJnydl+BJ32kINE0S6NeP4db BH3A== p23mr3066631yhh.139.1410457785402; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:49:45 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I have a cheapo benchtop mini drill press that cost maybe $69.95. It is sized right for my workbench, but it has an AC motor that stalls easily, and the quill is very sloppy, so the drill bit can jiggle side-to-side about 1/16". Does anybody know if there is a source for a better model? ALL the ones I have ever seen in stores, etc. are made in China, and their precision seems to be pretty random- the display model could have a quill with no slop, but then the one I bring home could be much worse. And I have never seen a drill press that had the equivalent of gibs, which would let me adjust away the slop. I'd love to get a mini-mill to use instead, but those need at least 36" of bench width, which I simply don't have. Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 14:32:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772B12584CCD for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CD725808C6 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:35413] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 86/C5-15336-27702145; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:34:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:34:58 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop-Talk Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:34:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I'd love to get a mini-mill to use instead, but those need at least 36" of > bench width, which I simply don't have. How about a Sherline mill head (which I believe they will sell separately) attached to the column of your existing press? Otherwise, I would ignore country of origin and instead look for a reputable maker. Not everything made in China is junk. Delta has apparently quit making their benchtop press, but I still see models from Jet and Rockwell. They should be pretty good, even if they are from China. Another thought would be looking into your existing press and see if it can be improved. Maybe you can add shims to the fit between the quill and the housing; or even cut some tapered slots and add gibs. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 15:12:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1559A25807F2 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F9C25807AC for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id t59so3865018yho.28 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UK5SDt2XYaaKHalcG945WeT2rm5GSeagTP3x8j10sDI=; b=asXUFbt+yg1RA//myG9nxaFn53HnzyZLi+QTbKyv0gRApXRKTC+wFAEDlv9zAO1IaI QJYzh9LRsXvsKGvS8A2loNfxXfNNOV4hPHbsUfhge4yFWCt3h6wxawXkQdEZ2fgR1xHH LZsHnOkmVv6HVWxyq5kTDWsecCKZaxsEmKbHez8kWLmDJblK7i6H0UJGxmQ4Edm6YHJw FcZg7hMWeYRzkf2edtue/FDyfh2E+v3T8iX8hhcdePjayiGyG9nkcUHsFJvRHnUappMQ Tufk6iBNnnWdVet9e8sl1uoHuIHciRjQnutyv2OlwA8C058NMoOX8JANYX+J2BYehP8q 6g9A== p41mr4550234yhi.73.1410470120144; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140911203458.5YY2W.343128.root@cdptpa-web21> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:15:20 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Randall Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was browsing, and here are a couple of reviews on a Rockwell 10" benchtop drill press: *The RK7032 is a superior machine. The low price should not dissuade you from considering getting one for yourself. You will discover that the unit runs smoothly, quietly without noticeable vibration. * vs.: *I looked at several options for bench drill presses and landed on the Rockwell. I wish I was able to inspect this drill press before purchasing as I would not have made the purchase. The drill press at first glance appears well made, but then I started to drill. The deal breaker for me was the lack of precision in the drill arm. As you begin to lower the drill, the arm has far to much "slop" making the drill bit wander off your intended target. I plan on returning this unit. I could of just gone to Harbor Freight for a cheap drill press that is made in China. * This is why I would not buy a unit that I could not test in the store. Doug On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Randall wrote: > > I'd love to get a mini-mill to use instead, but those need at least 36" > of > > bench width, which I simply don't have. > > How about a Sherline mill head (which I believe they will sell separately) > attached to the column of your existing press? > > Otherwise, I would ignore country of origin and instead look for a > reputable maker. Not everything made in China is junk. > > Delta has apparently quit making their benchtop press, but I still see > models from Jet and Rockwell. They should be pretty good, even if they are > from China. > > Another thought would be looking into your existing press and see if it > can be improved. Maybe you can add shims to the fit between the quill and > the housing; or even cut some tapered slots and add gibs. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 20:08:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0752580992 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF172580987 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id q28B1o0020bG4ec012AhJ3; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 02:10:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id q2Ah1o00506FvTL3P2Ah1s; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 02:10:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:10:25 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop-Talk References: s=q20140121; t=1410487841; bh=sMRfZKBeB2vCG+MFYtSaTZE1RS/XpJR6Ff3pwSMOub8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=MjwZI0MYj6RyBKUN1A0ayNRA23VZGNs0lcKgdJgNnu4k+dkq4Fv8S1pJWDBeMHu0y JtPOauA6ppjqIKNT+5EjjieIjlo84fL205ZNI+KWmQM8JG3uBwBxwwZuGLlzuFcREC YXf4vXkLsvzin4p3jZSvphauaoBml9a7I368RZMuFZVSf3rSX97mPZXHHFmlWZWlhO 9sefsXI0ztkDvm8eC0g8Mczrh7viOYoSrUXdmJKAIvPo79iSGDdJdjKjWKIcRXcipL wfm8vM7DxHV9CV8QUmWc6dNBnO3mSPr81N/FBTOeP3Fwsp10n9WOcJ1sdtFWv8/DI9 CXkQY8wOkEFSQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/11/2014 1:49 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I have a cheapo benchtop mini drill press that cost maybe $69.95. > It is sized right for my workbench, but it has an AC motor that stalls > easily, and > the quill is very sloppy, so the drill bit can jiggle side-to-side about > 1/16". > > Does anybody know if there is a source for a better model? ALL the ones I > have ever seen in > stores, etc. are made in China, and their precision seems to be pretty > random- the display model could have a quill with no slop, but then the one > I bring home could be much worse. I've had luck with Grizzly. Made in China but final milling are done in the US. Or at least some equipment is. Not as good as Delta or Jet but much better than Craftsman. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 20:57:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A17F2580A15 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0172580992 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:54:48 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410490657; bh=rB48pV8gTmsHhog8I13iWocTwxsJsb1BCjmbgA3boAc=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=C5Z2Rr+aboqmo/AdTwQi7/nusW7LbgiUOWvWZhvi94UhsRbpZBUzMlYrH5oE0rAwGDNBkzBUn5b50/8uH6OY0bV1sO2jtIshhfWHRhu70ft0mdsHz4JQBmKM2prEbFamL4vCrLLVBNPsZ0r4pC06BTpSGD97XYq5+3JCc2QfHFk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=J60jk+gSvC23hcjfPdsP4xXnoptucjy6JzFqK/0k/qi3LL97f9JOJXyji2XKjzPUbC7X4dx0knW22VGjC7rRlShiyLiiq9RPMSpVgoD4mkAmGz63uAoMObRp2/Ezm1XmWVT6VGCaDUlUcNXeKddZwVtRSUjcehlT6IE/g/CofvQ=; Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2014 02:57:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.156] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2014 02:57:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2014 02:57:37 -0000 dToG1RiDgiaapmJH5q5aOrMkuYvxYt8BSBhZ77VromUL_qUjRfFTH1kWi06c Zgy90pxTUHQfjaCjceJlMbqcV2hjoxmMQ0yVLxmOXk99J5rK_5zvndw9ECEj JLZYdWgFlAAN6ePj0I3tM1z33r6rsiOA8o30P2GFtRIANS4Ztv3i6ibRE1nB XMuwFMqJfnJbyrmscx5Ua4zISflXVMI2tSdt7FKLH50LG6chlxutuiv4.4_Z 6GQkfKjDrX6Kb_f7G6wSEnz2ueSMezAM53KITZStpp0t_oNaMQEq5UuajAxn 8Dqx9T_X3rxEI_XPfF.g2x8McKDe98OpsKbCsUySDY9ETolswyC0d0_XL0_4 vYEhkcKsQJA3frmnoGS0o.YzqYqWffxN7uKnck0NuQaMAPdZYT5Vubhl9g3C DQv5rIr6v1TNmOj9DOA2Jo9sDa49bHqePVnJ3LLFeFVok54lT8OrwWH.OG4A n01OOAEUse_.Ov91CfwtkvfJtJ0GXiiEb319_ From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:57:40 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJWom5y4i1d6Mi7p2uCdVttTdKtX5rvJGiA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Or used? I have a very old Duro bench-top drill press that was my only press till I got a larger (and even older) Atlas floor model. It probably cost under $35 in the late 40's, but it's solid cast iron and quite stable. And old. The motor is on rails and thus easy to change to add as much power as desired. -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun Subject: [Bulk] [Shop-talk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Hello, Does anybody know if there is a source for a better model? ALL the ones I have ever seen in stores, etc. are made in China, and their precision seems to be pretty random- the display model could have a quill with no slop, but then the one I bring home could be much worse. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 21:27:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561402580998 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D3B2580405 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86728391DF for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 03:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 8gAqGjbVvN1d for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 03:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.118.18]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E7CDF23B09 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 03:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:29:05 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <003b01cfce35$513dd8f0$f3b98ad0$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] A mini drill press that doesn't suck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If it's not too big you might consider the Grizzly G7943. If you ignore the stupid chuck guard and the plastic face plate on the front of the head casting, it's identical to thousands and thousands of drill presses imported in the last 30 years or so. I got a "Foremost" brand at Tool Town nearly 30 years ago and it's served me well in my woodworking and some metalworking very well. About three years ago I finally broke down and replaced the really horrible bearings in the quill, a job that took about two hours, and it really tightened up (and quieted down) the machine. It's a basic, robust design and even if you find a no-name model used, Grizzly parts will probably fit. Or like someone else mentioned, Old Arn is hard to beat, too. On 9/11/2014 7:57 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Does anybody know if there is a source for a better model? ALL the ones I > have ever seen in stores, etc. are made in China, and their precision seems > to be pretty > random- the display model could have a quill with no slop, but then the one > I bring home could be much worse. > > Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 19:28:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1CC25845F6 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E11B25807C4 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D2E28F1E2 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aT+ObLo2lBY9 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.118.18]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D82609405E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:31:01 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are about 15 years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately the one on my wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with the clicker. When the problem first started the door would partially close before reversing, but now it doesn't even move. I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through a few turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's bad behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO business, who also installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I wasn't here, but according to my wife he lubricated everything with "something heavier than WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for a week. I looked yesterday and he had turned the sensitivity pots all the way up to 11. So, $100 down the toilet. The one on my side works flawlessly....so far. This is a standard, chain drive, 1/2 HP rolling code unit, nothing fancy. I can buy a new one at Home Depot or Amazon for $125 or so. Before I do, anything else to check? thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 19:37:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C392584540 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C0525807C4 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041A200061F8 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:40:40 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=+uwfWYjHBqeI8aBJUPKlNPWZotQ=; b=SuPRaFhxz7JV oM+aE2c0FHe+tlg3f6W94GUc9st9XY7777omUsiid7nUguBfhpfbOia8KiUNJECq Xokpwk3oiZt+wwlUxApLyq06XdJoKTQ10lOs4qnl4jeXkQ9AQKWfI0cEyumeLMzA JwAGJ4yRhE9JDHMbvT7DrqkHIk76hDg= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-98-118-112-164.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.112.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 716BC200061EC for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:40:39 -0400 References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 14, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > As soon as you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with the clicker. Have you replaced the batteries in the clicker? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 19:51:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A49925846CB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E725807C4 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rDty1o0030l45Le01Dtyrz; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:53:59 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Dave Cavanaugh'" , References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:53:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/QhNx18tW6HwuYTNmqH2HEtJj4/gAANgcg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Since you have two of these you can do some comparisons. Disconnect the openers from the doors, then open and close the doors by hand, comparing how much force is needed at different positions. With the doors disconnected, run the openers up and down with the remotes to see if they both close correctly. This will isolate the problem to either the door or the opener. Door rollers get worn, dirty and bent, so you may need to replace one or more of them. Give it a bit more diagnosis and then let us know what you find out. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cavanaugh Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:31 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are about 15 years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately the one on my wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with the clicker. When the problem first started the door would partially close before reversing, but now it doesn't even move. I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through a few turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's bad behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO business, who also installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I wasn't here, but according to my wife he lubricated everything with "something heavier than WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for a week. I looked yesterday and he had turned the sensitivity pots all the way up to 11. So, $100 down the toilet. The one on my side works flawlessly....so far. This is a standard, chain drive, 1/2 HP rolling code unit, nothing fancy. I can buy a new one at Home Depot or Amazon for $125 or so. Before I do, anything else to check? thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 20:01:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B30F2584598 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969F92580B51 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:01:26 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZuKVXSf4Eyjbgdg9X2ubrXKbvL3gMcMOyIaF4oJMSt7p3DS1133zC1rcod9YSTNV; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.59] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XTLeL-0005UJ-89; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:04:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:04:22 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Dave Cavanaugh , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Try the easy thing first and pull the release so you can open and close the door manually. It should be easy if the springs are correct. Hold the door open about half way then see if the door stays there. It should. If not, something is probably off with the springs. This test should verify the door, springs, tracks, and hardware are all good. While the door is disconnected, try the remote button to open and close the door. There will be no load, so the carrier should slide easily on the track. This will verify that the opener isn't dead. I'm assuming you have nothing in the garage near the path between the sensors near the ground. If you do, move it. Based on the description of having to hold the wired button, I'd guess the problem might be an intermittent connection with the photo cell safety circuit. When you continue to hold the button, it is overriding the safety features and forcing the door closed. My photocells have a light on one side that lets me know all is good. Look at the light when all is clear and then step in the path and verify it changes. Next, have a helper watch the light while you jiggle the wires at various places and see if the light changes - it shouldn't. Also verify that the terminals holding the wires are secure and not corroded at the sensors and opener. This should eliminate the safety reverse function from being the problem. This should help eliminate issues with one opener. The next step might be to sway parts between the two openers and see if you can find the problem. Brian On 9/14/2014 6:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are > about 15 years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately > the one on my wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as > you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. > Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button > down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with the > clicker. When the problem first started the door would partially > close before reversing, but now it doesn't even move. > > I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the > sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through a > few turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's > bad behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO business, > who also installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I wasn't > here, but according to my wife he lubricated everything with > "something heavier than WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for > a week. I looked yesterday and he had turned the sensitivity pots all > the way up to 11. So, $100 down the toilet. > > The one on my side works flawlessly....so far. > > This is a standard, chain drive, 1/2 HP rolling code unit, nothing fancy. > > I can buy a new one at Home Depot or Amazon for $125 or so. Before I > do, anything else to check? > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 20:17:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B4525846F3 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81572258448E for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj1so5376939pad.0 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6Secde+LgPtUN5segiFufNfP5NMIPGagKrmnLd5yCls=; b=vFk+KbnbfMlkCiqj5wur70+LzfE2PS0QGCWmzyG2Fre6Vjbn871+FvuFAEhNhMV1WM TIjbBtW7fv1l7Uhqpg8d2oCmbqGPhEcKLT08c9wQCyoFfhFO2uxZPMatm0z5lHdOdo7U MFA+JxHKCtGyN75MmTauQJ4krqbwTYJQWkcfT0YEIc/9nSz4V35PUp7zGdNFPDSFTnt8 ay0a42LreclilsaLVQd7wpkNMq4eEBaswOTYcvbz7USBzIM8rehBqwJwJCAr+/eA15Sj vhUQ9fhLjC4X4/oE6pm/neR70H5Iyd2wRbWQk4vQhYtTNiErifJG8cmNiWoZha62Fald amZQ== dq10mr40256946pdb.112.1410747618978; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.128.78 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:20:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:20:18 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Dave Cavanaugh Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: > I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are about 15 > years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately the one on my > wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as you push the button to > close it, it reverses and the light flashes. Opening is normal. If you > hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button down it will close and stay down, > but it will no longer close with the clicker. When the problem first > started the door would partially close before reversing, but now it doesn't > even move. > > I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the > sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through a few > turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's bad > behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO business, who also > installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I wasn't here, but > according to my wife he lubricated everything with "something heavier than > WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for a week. I looked yesterday > and he had turned the sensitivity pots all the way up to 11. So, $100 down > the toilet. Pull the cord to release the door. Make sure it works right, your problem could easily be a broken spring, a jammed roller, a bent track or the like. (Yes, I've see a broken door cause "one opener doesn't work, the other does", more than once.) Assuming the door is fine, train your remote to open your wife's opener, and see if that makes a difference. If it does, change the battery in hers, train it to your door, and call it day. If it doesn't, go buy a new one. I'm pretty sure chamberlain are using the same mounting setup they have for many years, so that it's a breeze to replace just the head. If your door is broken, call another company to fix it. And check the other side, it may be failing the same way. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 20:32:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B6B25846CB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7224A25804F8 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFF02738E4 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 02:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7JrkvoBfxsJs for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 02:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.118.18]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 030BC94058 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 02:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:36:01 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the quick replies. I disconnected the traveler from the door so there was no load on the opener and it still does exactly the same thing. I re-checked the photo cells and they are good. If I block the beam, the light in the receiver goes out. Everything seems tight and well adjusted. I think something has crapped out in the electronic guts of this thing. On 9/14/2014 7:20 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: >> I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are about 15 >> years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately the one on my >> wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as you push the button to >> close it, it reverses and the light flashes. Opening is normal. If you >> hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button down it will close and stay down, >> but it will no longer close with the clicker. When the problem first >> started the door would partially close before reversing, but now it doesn't >> even move. >> >> I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the >> sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through a few >> turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's bad >> behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO business, who also >> installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I wasn't here, but >> according to my wife he lubricated everything with "something heavier than >> WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for a week. I looked yesterday >> and he had turned the sensitivity pots all the way up to 11. So, $100 down >> the toilet. > > Pull the cord to release the door. Make sure it works right, your > problem could easily be a broken spring, a jammed roller, a bent track > or the like. (Yes, I've see a broken door cause "one opener doesn't > work, the other does", more than once.) Assuming the door is fine, > train your remote to open your wife's opener, and see if that makes a > difference. If it does, change the battery in hers, train it to your > door, and call it day. If it doesn't, go buy a new one. I'm pretty > sure chamberlain are using the same mounting setup they have for many > years, so that it's a breeze to replace just the head. > > If your door is broken, call another company to fix it. And check the > other side, it may be failing the same way. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 20:36:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF9225846AB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B499725804F8 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rEf41o0020l45Le01Ef4jF; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:39:05 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Dave Cavanaugh'" , "'shop-talk'" References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <54165091.4010308@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:39:03 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/QjbFDEIpW26MLRXOflyelKrCbqQAAGg+w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You can swap the board between openers to see if that is the problem. If it is, the replacement board shouldn't cost over half the price of a new opener. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cavanaugh Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:36 PM To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Thanks for all the quick replies. I disconnected the traveler from the door so there was no load on the opener and it still does exactly the same thing. I re-checked the photo cells and they are good. If I block the beam, the light in the receiver goes out. Everything seems tight and well adjusted. I think something has crapped out in the electronic guts of this thing. On 9/14/2014 7:20 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh wrote: >> I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are >> about 15 years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately >> the one on my wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as >> you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. >> Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button >> down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with >> the clicker. When the problem first started the door would partially >> close before reversing, but now it doesn't even move. >> >> I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the >> sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through >> a few turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's >> bad behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO >> business, who also installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I >> wasn't here, but according to my wife he lubricated everything with >> "something heavier than WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for >> a week. I looked yesterday and he had turned the sensitivity pots >> all the way up to 11. So, $100 down the toilet. > > Pull the cord to release the door. Make sure it works right, your > problem could easily be a broken spring, a jammed roller, a bent track > or the like. (Yes, I've see a broken door cause "one opener doesn't > work, the other does", more than once.) Assuming the door is fine, > train your remote to open your wife's opener, and see if that makes a > difference. If it does, change the battery in hers, train it to your > door, and call it day. If it doesn't, go buy a new one. I'm pretty > sure chamberlain are using the same mounting setup they have for many > years, so that it's a breeze to replace just the head. > > If your door is broken, call another company to fix it. And check the > other side, it may be failing the same way. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 21:31:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9122258471B for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6803F25846AB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05746273755 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id GxiR8T7X5KaP for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [50.34.118.18]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D78D5940A1 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:35:08 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: 'shop-talk' References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <54165091.4010308@frontier.com> <005401cfd08e$37631ed0$a6295c70$@com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I decided to just get a new logic board. After a little poking around on the Chamberlain and other sites I found the replacement. You can get them on Amazon, of course.... On 9/14/2014 7:39 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > You can swap the board between openers to see if that is the problem. If it > is, the replacement board shouldn't cost over half the price of a new > opener. > > Peace, > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave > Cavanaugh > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:36 PM > To: shop-talk > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem > > Thanks for all the quick replies. > > I disconnected the traveler from the door so there was no load on the opener > and it still does exactly the same thing. I re-checked the photo cells and > they are good. If I block the beam, the light in the receiver goes out. > Everything seems tight and well adjusted. > > I think something has crapped out in the electronic guts of this thing. > > > > On 9/14/2014 7:20 PM, David Scheidt wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Dave Cavanaugh > wrote: >>> I have a pair of Chamberlain PD200 openers in the garage. They are >>> about 15 years old and until just recently have been flawless. Lately >>> the one on my wife's side (naturally) has gotten flaky. As soon as >>> you push the button to close it, it reverses and the light flashes. >>> Opening is normal. If you hold the wall mounted (hardwired) button >>> down it will close and stay down, but it will no longer close with >>> the clicker. When the problem first started the door would partially >>> close before reversing, but now it doesn't even move. >>> >>> I adjusted the photocells, lubricated everything, and adjusted the >>> sensitivity pots and turned the open and close distance pots through >>> a few turns. For a few cycles it worked ok and then reverted to it's >>> bad behavior. I called the local residential/commercial GDO >>> business, who also installed the opener in my shop a few years ago. I >>> wasn't here, but according to my wife he lubricated everything with >>> "something heavier than WD40", "adjusted" it and left. It worked for >>> a week. I looked yesterday and he had turned the sensitivity pots >>> all the way up to 11. So, $100 down the toilet. >> Pull the cord to release the door. Make sure it works right, your >> problem could easily be a broken spring, a jammed roller, a bent track >> or the like. (Yes, I've see a broken door cause "one opener doesn't >> work, the other does", more than once.) Assuming the door is fine, >> train your remote to open your wife's opener, and see if that makes a >> difference. If it does, change the battery in hers, train it to your >> door, and call it day. If it doesn't, go buy a new one. I'm pretty >> sure chamberlain are using the same mounting setup they have for many >> years, so that it's a breeze to replace just the head. >> >> If your door is broken, call another company to fix it. And check the >> other side, it may be failing the same way. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 22:21:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A69258475F for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s21.hotmail.com [65.55.111.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E884C25846F2 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP101 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:23:54 -0700 Received: from Antec300 ([97.113.63.24]) by BLU436-SMTP101.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:23:52 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: "'shop-talk'" References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <54165091.4010308@frontier.com> <005401cfd08e$37631ed0$a6295c70$@com> <54165E6C.5070107@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:23:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/QlfqX/4a6ovsHSVao9k4BN1HT2wABXWHgAABQqsA= FILETIME=[DB2DEF50:01CFD09C] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David, I had a Craftsman and the board had a blown circuit board track. I jumped that one and it's been fine for over a year. Take a good look at the board before you buy a new one. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cavanaugh Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:35 PM To: 'shop-talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem I decided to just get a new logic board. After a little poking around on the Chamberlain and other sites I found the replacement. You can get them on Amazon, of course.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 06:31:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD7F25847A4 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 06:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60FC25802AF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 06:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140915122936.VILH5255.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:29:36 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.213.227]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id rQUw1o00J4uwYHU01QVcic; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:29:36 -0400 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:17 a=b3vaSABc4DMA:10 a=8bm6AesY-kkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=00m8lQ6uXg2lAjTncbMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=6CJB3PmF1tTeUVuW:21 a=dTlii0F9qHmqMroH:21 a=ilavBuPpr-tPFF23QtEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=IhQFsEcPihtiBsbJ:21 a=1uXzHskWtM6b6G3593e3IQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:22:56 -0400 To: From: "John T. Blair" References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 09:53 PM 9/14/2014, Pat Horne wrote: >Door rollers get worn, dirty and bent, so you may need to replace one or more of them. Dave, Have you oiled the rollers. I know I have to oil my rollers every 2 or 3 years. If not the garage doors get harder to open. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:18:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187B92584816 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6335425845B0 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e1f68.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.31.104]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NBY0015R552BRG0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:18:00 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20140915082045.04e55938@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net All the advice about lubricating rollers and checking for binding is all good and worthwhile to do. However, with my Chamberlain openers, when the light blinks and it refuses to close, it means the safety beam system is detecting an obstruction. It could be a beam alignment issue, it could be dirt or something on the lens. It could be a fault in the circuit board. In my experience, though, it is never related to the door binding. On my openers the door may reverse because of binding, but this does not cause the light to blink. The fact that the problem went away for a week when the service guy came leads me to believe that it is not a fault in the board. It is more likely to be a beam alignment or cleaning issue. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:32:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131C825845DE for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B71258076B for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id mc6so4790573lab.34 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IUfBPtO2WMKtBq/U4jVmkK40h7TneRy+OYQnfUyKw4I=; b=UmByMmIN5jmtekX1iYrsEVocToVBMAyuEWOxs7y4eYNcmDSkg5n7o1shNA/6mKM4go nTO37RCesdnHjY1aRiBYLFPb1pFhURdELyIpRE2mnE6zs8cz1NIP0bE/9rw6L9vMiM0c XwhnsR9hYacEWfWIdru/FFV+kLzvj4nxnuSAgJ8hDrTqy85erh5BAwQZ7EXQuJ/RVQd1 dU1qPvf73gBjRmUhiZnhzAbW2RiABSz7J4BK6v9owC02UC7nP6fE20ygZLKZXlmWRsAB aCLON+OwnMO/WpgyYi8djIdvwnS2pkdIcbF2IqEgwuuHWK7IlsmCgJkSqPNTi10BKIGI VPpg== a8mr26936306lbs.34.1410791485919; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:31:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20140915082045.04e55938@cox.net> <0NBY0015S552BRG0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:31:25 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second the beam issue. I've had occasions before where the beam was barely aligned, but the action of the door starting must have shook it or flexed it off. I'd watch the lights on the beam receiver as the door is operated and see what happens, or I'd go ahead and clean and re-align the beam, making sure it's centered. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > All the advice about lubricating rollers and checking for binding is all > good and worthwhile to do. However, with my Chamberlain openers, when the > light blinks and it refuses to close, it means the safety beam system is > detecting an obstruction. It could be a beam alignment issue, it could be > dirt or something on the lens. It could be a fault in the circuit board. > In my experience, though, it is never related to the door binding. On my > openers the door may reverse because of binding, but this does not cause > the light to blink. The fact that the problem went away for a week when > the service guy came leads me to believe that it is not a fault in the > board. It is more likely to be a beam alignment or cleaning issue. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:47:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B673525845F7 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B7325805FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rS711o0011vXlb858Slggb; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:45:40 +0000 Received: from stargate ([98.250.57.52]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rSlf1o00b17cZ1N3dSlgt5; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:45:40 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20140915082045.04e55938@cox.net> <0NBY0015S552BRG0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:45:58 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1410792340; bh=UK3n50qgiL/DQj4O8Axze4kzjElw6T8In2uzw702d+o=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CA4wG0+3IWG199tLZFVggAsqSknpctlPdfBRhKJ1sMa615oDMABFLUrsmLlfxySJ/ yUr7Fe1yLQluNDiq2JpzIdxLXHDsqhy6k6Y6cXVgzA3zCJmHN4FxhEsdp1vcJNnYly gA3heGYRcVeRZYOnMDihJg1DKI1mOPE80/afdYm4aOJEMrTudvG3J8oz9woIE+G9La jX1RzUFs0ANxllRhOqW4qUUKzvg1K4ik4vt3Gv8PCAL4Sm+Se8h27P6Ir5yqAbYiHW 7eVtRWejJm7WYhxdoARogOlBSk1nP7BZUZGqfUyvAXM8DIz0Gyv3GT4LRB+Fc4gEB+ s7kSR5jh6LQ7g== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good point about the 'beam'. My door is south facing and the sun at just the right angle will prevent the door from closing. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Scarbrough" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 10:31 AM To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem > I second the beam issue. I've had occasions before where the beam was > barely aligned, but the action of the door starting must have shook it > or flexed it off. I'd watch the lights on the beam receiver as the > door is operated and see what happens, or I'd go ahead and clean and > re-align the beam, making sure it's centered. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steven Trovato > wrote: >> All the advice about lubricating rollers and checking for binding is all >> good and worthwhile to do. However, with my Chamberlain openers, when >> the >> light blinks and it refuses to close, it means the safety beam system is >> detecting an obstruction. It could be a beam alignment issue, it could >> be >> dirt or something on the lens. It could be a fault in the circuit board. >> In my experience, though, it is never related to the door binding. On my >> openers the door may reverse because of binding, but this does not cause >> the light to blink. The fact that the problem went away for a week when >> the service guy came leads me to believe that it is not a fault in the >> board. It is more likely to be a beam alignment or cleaning issue. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:48:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD1025845DE for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f179.google.com (mail-qc0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B13B25805FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id i17so4128733qcy.10 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:51:13 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=8zZywGSxCWF60VONT2fcSawGwS99YHYPuLH1PUCPo34=; b=FTW6yX1Hf8G5pvAyGsgDW5gFndvM35aEA/Vwk9E2Z+sFKyGpDb9FB1nuhTDFRnH1P4 l838NVxklIAbGY9FHfE2MvORXsgBfl+jUr8ubv/pH29wpvt92t3isy98kn0FkYadSjcI r0bUOua+rPhgpdgzZ2T/RiWxWKb0mXYFGTk+p3F8LUcTl5bbfTa1ewyuOCx2DAaLPPZK lt5rTtmQNIw0R2Gv4gb3uKW4fHAqDcZRhXgdMERrnVO6mK4Xrm6MTWzWxz701tpxIJmK 6weubqlUCCvAcIw5eQCa+DvObt7y1tT14eBWYBGvSxU/3D7Ze2bzXsf6ku5cM1NV3Pyv xuDg== c15mr36360929qaw.10.1410792673814; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.176.214.60] (23.sub-70-192-136.myvzw.com. [70.192.136.23]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm9734955qab.23.2014.09.15.07.51.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:51:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <54164155.8020401@frontier.com> <6.2.5.6.1.20140915082045.04e55938@cox.net> <0NBY0015S552BRG0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:51:09 +0200 To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At our current house, the sensors would act up when the sun was shining on one of them at just the right angle. I ended up having to make a shade out of a piece of disposable cutting board to make it reliable. -Paul > On Sep 15, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > I second the beam issue. I've had occasions before where the beam was > barely aligned, but the action of the door starting must have shook it > or flexed it off. I'd watch the lights on the beam receiver as the > door is operated and see what happens, or I'd go ahead and clean and > re-align the beam, making sure it's centered. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> All the advice about lubricating rollers and checking for binding is all >> good and worthwhile to do. However, with my Chamberlain openers, when the >> light blinks and it refuses to close, it means the safety beam system is >> detecting an obstruction. It could be a beam alignment issue, it could be >> dirt or something on the lens. It could be a fault in the circuit board. >> In my experience, though, it is never related to the door binding. On my >> openers the door may reverse because of binding, but this does not cause >> the light to blink. The fact that the problem went away for a week when >> the service guy came leads me to believe that it is not a fault in the >> board. It is more likely to be a beam alignment or cleaning issue. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> _______________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:53:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBAB25805FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD42E25805FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:53:50 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:43:49 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/15/2014 10:43:51, Serialize complete at 09/15/2014 10:43:51 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Put me down as a "+1" for the sensor. These things can fail in lots of ways. I would remove them from the doors, then, using a short test leads, reconnection them to the opener with them 6" apart. Then try the opener. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 17:11:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBA62584AA0 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3CF2584A50 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:11:09 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:01:34 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/15/2014 19:01:10, Serialize complete at 09/15/2014 19:01:10 Subject: [Shop-talk] Low and behold, the new log skidder is born! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Special thanks again to Miq! Here it is, after an afternoon of welding scraps, it lives and works better that I can image. Note, I do plan on changing the sliding ring. I didn't have anything better at the time. Also, some of the welds are disappointing, but that is scrap steel for you! Here is the link... http://tinyurl.com/newlogskidder As I noted on the page, I can now fell, skid, cut, split, and stack 6 cords of wood in about 5 hours BY MYSELF! (And the help of a wood processor, ATV, and tractor.) I couldn't do it without you all! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 15:32:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E8125852AC for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEC025809AA for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.243]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rxTo1o0045FMDhs01xVqsP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:29:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rxVT1o00Q06FvTL01xVUCi; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:29:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:29:04 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: s=q20140121; t=1410902990; bh=cdVQ2lQnWsxYccY/X/5euaBjhr13/Z5XzRhT8CFgVN4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=PMX1pohqlMm6YDe2UJNdUJm0x40+//QSfBXV8IVPe1BXlbXMhmyYE5JklU9ohfMTO Xf9jO/TDxQ4cp1lVG6ZlwyfrXLpr5HwqZQogB5KpMsQNow43PGwvMpESCLBWmR8g1j Xde2pP+TBprV3TD5sXXhxxvpLzGJHOs+DMKpk6sFLhJWDqZsfU0govH3k+UcdP6AVO LrlEJJU6LbXXAMeIK1Q6ZVBTKG8yZibYL7Ce/xFzyvSkwDiid2aAUyvGN509keGADm LO4m3VNw2SHgYeqE7fN0SNpqX2uYqfI4HPujoNAN8rU/bqEFQMspmqbG9wcWFeD0/8 PUPwB+jx9zAYA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Low and behold, the new log skidder is born! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/15/2014 7:01 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Special thanks again to Miq! > > Here it is, after an afternoon of welding scraps, it lives and works > better that I can image. > > Note, I do plan on changing the sliding ring. I didn't have anything > better at the time. Also, some of the welds are disappointing, but that > is scrap steel for you! > > Here is the link... > > http://tinyurl.com/newlogskidder > > As I noted on the page, I can now fell, skid, cut, split, and stack 6 > cords of wood in about 5 hours BY MYSELF! (And the help of a wood > processor, ATV, and tractor.) > > I couldn't do it without you all! > Just need to add a "like" button the web site. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 07:59:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4D125807F1 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71A22580764 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:59:24 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411221739; bh=Oh44UvVBHjg27SvYnTCeGP5m7xQtd+0CtVRjXZtMVxY=; b=TINK3vWM1Ilc+B7jSVgJ11Oh5uUXED7d2Ww17qYOxlkc4j0X0wBkCX2PgAH1oiHdYUspCGyALL/58t0dHJt84vJuvCYO80dG8Mc37Blgs4Rqe5rebbNyjf16P6+eJq+wo+2/X658TpZvsuUU/uIq3PZz02gTvsW6VBpW3Po8pzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=5fMjaCke3X2GsTvgatDhO5n3hdGj3D1hijI9nIlqFkcCbtm1cTwgtRa5oHRL+nMU6Ir/upExFFnBoEbl3giT1o+sZu+2X27PiEi8mEYT4nDPblUqB5tC5zWuq6KKH5EDnVaurveR3scQQVYnE3cqr8oP1PLs3WYB/uvrTi8W4FI=; Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2014 14:02:19 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2014 14:02:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2014 14:02:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411221739; bh=Oh44UvVBHjg27SvYnTCeGP5m7xQtd+0CtVRjXZtMVxY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Uzjd1hk2vjQv0EjBNjuKnfM6ib/yQtYTR+e7b9F/3k9gkJ30woml1jWuQEqXC7tsdLA+YHC7y+aZ2jCN9wAOb3K8gr4iu9TenXY9gHdTj1x7ZzRHorHlk8ZHcpb3HJ0TNDMUZGuZYAbKx3wZ9keHNuCGvbaurlzJAfxUuTupHY4= 2L2K2JqxMuhAbnej_l8xxru0xCpM1EmVTKMd2vzYDavCQZQu5dJErQDaWIdU Jp8YFrErvCcZ70OBcIGJOEHCqLs9IWM2VHbiMVUOM6TccAX7f1VKfmviE0Tn Gmot4O0A21xV5WGqOl06ruQwUGQ0SOiwdYj8iJ1UuGnnH0cNdIkLQnWUXK5v 4H60Rcqw8xnNuQ7plqpfyZpl_fzc.qnjyQoL6LGIw11uiBePxO6B8YkirS32 PQRv8wSwtEF9VhpsOum52UKXehwYAojItdzqhrxThU7BT3z8SQ9aCXST90SN VgrA1TNyUsdWu8ewaxyl5OCpD4cty9x6OuQJc0ITu4XDa3NqMzg0LYLtujrG z_ydcPpE0XlbgfAgBXbgg.8X177F2Te67k4Vl9eMgTBV.EjezOUgLHvQEALs DOMb4APsE9wCFiBcNfMThpAN9prqEyuNKsTF.5eaerA6rhrs13X1.2Sh0kJW nuVHlPwbXTsG7bmNuIxI1Tv9fh.o__GEavq73R0olpaRYk2W6.q71T24Wb9C COA_Imxd73XQLqSsV8CU6bHUpwXh7yjl_QqhKp7qXsg-- From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:02:22 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] using iphone5 in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net shop content... I use my phone in the shop my Iphone5 is offering me an update to IOS 8.0 is that something I want to do ?? john --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 10:19:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756222580331 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C446A2585870 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id la4so2492414vcb.24 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=B+ta7NsWfwwyohSRQoL5GKGiGmaaMvG0+6hVwSRO1as=; b=aJq/9qh2VBLy9zWvXp6asDVGd7BQPLQZX2FVDpxbbiZ269RuwILXGXs1JMkVVQw3LZ 1a4BwqbZagygpvIzCk7jHrcfshKH/7ene766k+AsqvzjD0JsO2S2BqyCGvNW3Ebx3TPY W1jjFuigJ7kpghuiRD7HAzSr1CJtSegGMQy/LDbfHijLX3vtQB19vZtUYLREiLNPqKvu t63VNcKc7hbRp7/bCboz47oeumoUDiOdWxsf8znMYezjs+wf2khm3rFxrxxXSUi5BHtg TvNckIyaQAZP1vGsfCCdkmdSV2AyfjXhNsqesIymn92f6z7sx0viy3BxiI9+cUeOvg61 aJkQ== qe2mr8002322vdb.11.1411230149080; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.173.196 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Miq Millman Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:22:09 -0700 To: john niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] using iphone5 in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Short answer: No. Longer answer: look online at the new "features" and security changes being offered in 8, do any of them improve anything you are doing on the iphone? Then check out the Appstore and look at all the apps that you use frequently, which of them have been recently updated for iOS8, do any of them have critical features that you need to have that require iOS 8? Also pay heed to the change in how Apple decided to reorganize the photos, specifically, Camera Roll is no longer available in iOS 8, almost forcing you to pay for additional storage on iCloud. -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:02 AM, john niolon wrote: > shop content... I use my phone in the shop > > my Iphone5 is offering me an update to IOS 8.0 is that something I want > to > do ?? > > john > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 11:30:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213D3258074B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com (mail-qc0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3600F25805EB for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w7so2118999qcr.18 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=H8hsaGaJBVsQLzTiZkIUpd4QRgMrs9BgW8m9bhXmBr4=; b=qqS03jhssjSZ0kAxrK0lLVaKe/SyeZy3VMK5KueLM+PNd0hQcInWkv2rFEMETItet6 B3uh/Ii5KCOctwdc2c4zrYMHditGsfDlkFY+3LwIG9W+1/HGXfEikaMfPQJru+1ltbBT b4xLX8mxllkzXoDUFUXjgLIIdMpHso+o+u1cEA3/rVHdnWlIMBHO93SZKUGKK7EsTAJ3 W1aT7TAxRcDod8hgs+/rqdPgiYgwTPDlUvm9UTTH6k0WvVfD1/nc6zA8pJqdH1/VquxM SxlYVetmKOKCTMUbrd/LfWnAdJ0BEaa/UXq+Iil0GfGC66YAnL32Aae6FemKgNN1DTP8 NebQ== t6mr1900179qgd.12.1411493480535; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.30.161 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:31:20 -0400 From: Scott Hall To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone in or near Charlotte? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need a favor, email if you can make a drive for me. Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 17:18:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C792584562 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D422584508 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-13v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.237]) by resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id unL31o00557bBgG01nLwYj; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:20:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([76.21.64.167]) by resomta-po-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id unLu1o00T3cWj0U01nLvLl; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:20:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:20:52 -0700 From: Mark Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: s=q20140121; t=1411514456; bh=9r+6ZSfRvK3DqTCZ3nDGVAb3YixlsoMM4APyq2YMQrY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To: Subject:Content-Type; b=F0t8tDbuUXfgQAXI5P98FYg2QBa1rHin6fA3/6G3pPLJf5p6omXgsWQ0nGlvJd6qk aYpwPbffGL46UeZ7GeXzXaXOCROcKtSqVRf70i8507ZJ/JBirROSKtbRMwQX4C/c3M WjiDB+obaTi7cZ+Hr5TM76o1oKZr8weqVYXrqguJKQpgmx+4qeOls4cbeavdIvSpK+ koayDVPnkSNLaVkNaLuSh6vJFcpgz/n7VFR8WZamNCgh5p1gOgQqzhpuJ1R9q1OWTa QsdVAALXbP3dnTntQGXTRLCobtLQVrSQBztXwA9ZtLYuV3jHrdSmvT030DkJEP2HrC 6CasjT/Ylv8Jw== Subject: [Shop-talk] remote tank sensing, the epilog Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I wrote: Hi. A friend asked me to come take a look when their water system failed recently. Problem was easy to diagnose and fix (a leak caused the tanks to drain out faster than they filled up. Leak fixed and the tanks refilled within a few days) and I [foolishly] offered to help set something up so it won't happen again as catastrophically. The situation: there are some spring fed storage tanks about 50-100 feet away from the nearest source of power. They typically remain full or nearly so and there is a system to keep them full (manual float valves). I would like to add some level sensors in the tank to indicate when the tank is less than 1/2-3/4 full (something might be awry) and another when the tank is almost empty to disable the (remote from the tanks, but located near power) booster pumps to prevent them from running dry and possibly overheating. The most straightforward would be to put sensors in the tanks and run wires to relays at the pumps and indicators, but that would require trenching. Anyone know of a good source for some battery operated transmitters and battery or wired receivers? These are rather slow changing signals, so something that transmitted only at a change or had a transmit interval that could be set to a long time would be better for battery life (but changing batteries isn't that big a deal, just a pain). Thank, o all knowing list!! Thanks all for the excellent suggestions but in the end the problem got easier than I originally thought it was. Seems there was an empty conduit buried along with the original water pipes (yaaaaaay thinking ahead!!!!) so I went with a simple brute force solution. 2 float valves (one for a 'not full' alarm and one to disable the pump if the water level dropped too low) in each tank (one for irrigation, one for house water) and it works fine. Mark Miller waiting for rain in dry Northern California or all the above is moot anyway. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 10:55:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85537258457B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E6A2584569 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v4wY1o0041GhbT85B4yQ3Z; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:58:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v4yP1o00V06FvTL3T4yPtk; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:58:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:58:18 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk s=q20140121; t=1411577904; bh=R7Hn1zPqepxNwqDOUQ3wwc00EH3vpArV6caHHcIhkeE=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=QfhFeZCkrYxX+ee6UqXt6S3kQBQKCGUqs8oHAtb8m02kzoJoHYioKV46sBCveLN2c xl1psEQS0+zcR2LCbU82YfNuD4jUHJ+EU99TaMZYRc7H+Fz3JX12UA4yx7FKBE3duu yJnVx+4kDLmYSYFVbniFP7RcZhDRb6vdblOR1G62W2TZeU2NKwMNL6VdE/5A58gkks Ab+l0drjaWIKet+W5vQ64iyVCGXelIxstyfPLD/z+T9v0i4obLZlIZorHh4loaSngX BtGbc8BJx2jaQ3lcGeg/r4AZtPCyotSJdwaF2j1Hnr3Ci0DO8TkyLoD/nT9ksJDsaB C/91w1nuR1mkA== Subject: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 11:20:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD4C258466C for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F9125806EE for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l18so5672184wgh.33 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rKTJsWuoHaTuHD1LeI2Cer4BNpG2nkFqyQzkbK/tK0k=; b=HSl0Y5PHZYy3TwqB7rw7j1YgJIgRVUMDRrufjKe0oz+wMrJsnXms5Qf9upvSrffsw+ /kiCxrmUrIUgWgFxIkSuuGycjYHk+qkcX28je3Ukh0w/kAMYUNdZ8W4URuwJ2PNryGcc Znke2QsAgkbmZ7Dj4FFrwHsKBHX3BqpIk96KTgb3z/oNNg0lVMuPJilCcV+mLxu9JKPU g59NuzGHFbhsINOhMLLFV0dIOAGYBdzhfibQZPFKywYLTxF8wJsdtUMxKUWcD0+JHN7/ zP7e8PwnQSE1myK04jJEBgtH+6GsWUg3QAWntkcCUYJ1xmrnViDZ7pM+WDygHxKPO65l 4iCg== i12mr9230893wjn.83.1411579417424; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.13.11 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:23:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:23:37 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: "Peter J. Thomas" Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I suggest: 1: Clean real well with solvent. 2: Paint over w/ black epoxy paint (brush or spray). 3: Wait until semi-dry, then wipe off excess with cloth lightly dampened with thinner. Doug On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings > which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I > wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more > readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking > either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be > durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? > > Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@ > dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 17:04:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5187C2584F6B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3062584F54 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:04:40 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:55:21 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/24/2014 18:54:28, Serialize complete at 09/24/2014 18:54:28 Subject: [Shop-talk] What to do with worn grinding wheels? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was wondering if anyone had any creative ideas for used and worn grinding wheels / stones. I'm sure we all generate alot of them, what do you do with them? If the arbor sizes were standardized, it would be great to move my 9" wheels to my 6" handheld! 8>) But no such luck? Do you guys recycle them somehow? Or just chuck 'em? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 17:34:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D892584FC2 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827232584536 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:33:54 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Zu0p+XYQgv7gM3WoYlxgmxNkkrLUSbJUX2tK1yXwhWO/o3+jMcdHC36yXvWQxtI0; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.55] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XWw7A-0000Ac-Er; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:36:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:36:51 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Peter J. Thomas" , Shop Talk References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Depending on the depth of the markings, you may just be able to wipe in some paint. First clean well with paint thinner and let dry. Then paint in the markings and wipe off with a paper towel. If you wipe too much out of the grooves, try one of the blue shop towel type of paper towel around a piece of wood so it doesn't go in the grooves (think sanding block). This also works for the hard to see timing marks on the front of an engine, except with white paint. You can use black for standard and red for metric. Brian On 9/24/2014 9:58 AM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped > markings which are hard to read when your under the car with low > lighting. I wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make > the markings more readable, similar to the etched easy to read > sockets. I was thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun > blueing. Not sure either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has > anyone done this? > > Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 20:25:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E88B25850B5 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0E72585066 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f10so27077yha.41 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:27:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sxGZKf78esU2dq5Cv32gueMuixwQS3XNPlwdKvWnsQk=; b=aGbK+RABflkJDada/+lPNeg19R4BMour1WWr5qgNy7Cg344rRs3sJxmjX+FfRPjvIH 7prPlJGZ0NLb0sfNv3175Gs8lf5bor6M2C74s29ePe5VSq0MOAY4dlUYvbm63BsU05sn liaFcI9YGE63vqboW8jMHWbW51wG2dITN2C4gDRqzmmCXun49tk7rRfqMBTlEV9ZRBp1 tgdhGS0SEKH4nwTg31mnqUxAGsKgIxxthvzJNvIdC5LorllDS5YlTuNwEmxp1CmGL34S exuiXzL7Bz1Y0GqoU7KNy2dXqoa4/ywwK889F1tbbOxDwrm74QQGjlTa+xUkFFglgA5d T78A== n41mr172005yhh.127.1411612074074; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.154.131 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:27:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <54235593.4060603@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:27:53 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Brian Kemp , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here's the best answer I found for this problem: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Socket-Labels-for-mechanics-the-home-craftsman-/280542105111?rd=1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I have used a product that seems like this and they stay on the sockets very well . . one wouldn't want to SOAK them in solvent but they can handle normal usage. Tony On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Depending on the depth of the markings, you may just be able to wipe in > some paint. First clean well with paint thinner and let dry. Then paint in > the markings and wipe off with a paper towel. If you wipe too much out of > the grooves, try one of the blue shop towel type of paper towel around a > piece of wood so it doesn't go in the grooves (think sanding block). This > also works for the hard to see timing marks on the front of an engine, > except with white paint. > > You can use black for standard and red for metric. > > Brian > > > On 9/24/2014 9:58 AM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > >> I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings >> which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I >> wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more >> readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking >> either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be >> durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? >> >> Peter T. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@ >> earthlink.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 23:37:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51523258511F for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S32.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s32.hotmail.com [65.55.111.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CE92580712 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP129 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S32.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:40:22 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:39:55 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/YGMYEOlAzuHUdQGSeV0RoSh+umAAaamlA FILETIME=[313647B0:01CFD883] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What. . . you guys don't just look at the nut/bolt and grab the right socket every time? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter J. Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:58 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 07:03:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289E02585193 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F7825807BA for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 13:04:10 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.253] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 13:04:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 13:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 71548 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2014 13:04:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411650250; bh=cjd0XggnPPFkyDM0qKv4WtvyRQF1GZ0hPsw31kp1TOg=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jejQmJxrkL/KFpYeUfNuCjwSaBE06hq7OX1PjveARfLjQ5F/4Lizlkmnx0u732X0tALgVlxRfYje8+x3L00T6cFdR7wbZcseGRnG4lK6nY9ZXGEJn0tNi2X/jRD0dnVPRl2dJMm49aQOhYxBlW0vQdwDmqUQ7/q/PD9QC8Nt68A= RqWiGfkXfzdyqU1ZBfPioeBnn6hOd38EV7UQi4e.KS9ckNlTDPHlFxoRdjr1 D.GGOF0T1xVZHrVT2BfvgElWRd5VT3ii573yKcqQrwD16PEimQv2NMBGm_t_ c6pH03E1b4DAN.0cT4R_h2.iQW8BJVTDrmazOurF.P7MCcdzM5FO3k_9D0HJ .cKLXqiKWv9B69VpNGasEv84etW4VWZ8DdjhlHudVFUdiCj5086D1OsKXCnS l4JYtqwCO1gk6m9n5MO6RLS4ARFKDv7TwAfV55IQQQJtw3dkDlPNowwJuBQ1 wTgAB8Z6HXXGa3djvV15W2P6QucLXIRW5frHmZpK_oiiOqT_RrAYwwysizA9 Lfjlm40wPimN6T8KOAyVuUzx4qVP4j4lCEUij1zm_8CU70HKszqiSWvBjbb0 9zJs9JAT.r8RwyiwoLN1Chk1sOGpo6Eofl2RM1aYzCaX4jmyO4tYXjRd32Gx bGeYrCg6ciEiiZ9oE.TgxjpmIqthHHZANRt_CX3SDcdHCOz3GQiOhnVYB8Ob xU_gvW1q8BwtB8Nf7Kg7RE99MIq9CUrA77Vgwp8GG7K7ICb1QAqDW1pIw9Oo pZ3MEs5.q Received: from [99.103.7.242] by web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:04:09 PDT SGkgSmFjaywKCk1heWJlIHNvbWUgb2YgdXMgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgb2xkZXIgYW5kIHRoZSBuZWFyIHZpc2lvbiBpcyBub3QgcXVpdGUgd2hhdCBpdCB1c2VkIHRvIGJlLiAgOi0pCgpBY3R1YWxseSBJIGNhbiBpZGVudGlmeSBtb3N0IGZyYWN0aW9uYWwgc29ja2V0cyBhbmQgbnV0cyBmcm9tIGFjcm9zcyB0aGUgcm9vbSwgYnV0IEkgaGF2ZSBhIG11Y2ggaGFyZGVyIHRpbWUgd2l0aCB0aGUgbWV0cmljIGZhc3RlbmVycy4uLgogCmJlc3QsCgpkb3VnCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KJzcyIEJTQSBCNTBTUwonNzQBMAEBAQE- References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:04:09 -0700 From: old dirtbeard To: Jack Brooks , 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jack, Maybe some of us are getting older and the near vision is not quite what it used to be. :-) Actually I can identify most fractional sockets and nuts from across the room, but I have a much harder time with the metric fasteners... best, doug ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R ________________________________ From: Jack Brooks To: 'Shop Talk' Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. What. . . you guys don't just look at the nut/bolt and grab the right socket every time? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter J. Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:58 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 08:49:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA08325851D4 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EC12580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP49 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:50:25 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:49:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/YwTLSQg3B79PERIGVDUXKqz31WQADTXwA FILETIME=[0930E430:01CFD8D0] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug, I was stunned as a kid, when I was working with my Dad that he simply asked for the size socket or wrench he needed. I can look at a nut/bolt and mostly grab the right size tool, but I can't identify and name the size on sight consistently. I'm not sure how Dad did it. Fortunately for me, my son never did mechanical work with his grandpa, or he would know what a failure his Dad is. I'm thinking that Standard is easier 'cause it's what we grew up with. I've done a fair bit of design work in metric and while I can "think" in metric, it's not anywhere near the same as my ability to think in standard. I also know what you mean about the vision thing. Glasses on, glasses off, Jack _____ From: old dirtbeard [mailto:dirtbeard@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:04 AM To: Jack Brooks; 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Hi Jack, Maybe some of us are getting older and the near vision is not quite what it used to be. :-) Actually I can identify most fractional sockets and nuts from across the room, but I have a much harder time with the metric fasteners... best, doug ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R _____ From: Jack Brooks To: 'Shop Talk' Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. What. . . you guys don't just look at the nut/bolt and grab the right socket every time? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter J. Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:58 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings more readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:28:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9892925851C8 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7974D2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:28:07 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:17:54 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/25/2014 11:17:56, Serialize complete at 09/25/2014 11:17:56 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Metric is easy to ID by sight... "Give me a 12mm." (I find that 9 times out of ten, it's a 12mm.) 8>) If it looks much bigger, "give me the 14mm." Of course, the 17mm is always too small and the 19mm is too big, and for some reason, no metric set comes with an 18mm! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:38:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F5025851D6 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.185.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AEC2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCG008S1RL20X50@nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:41:28 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-25_05:2014-09-25,2014-09-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409250163 From: Robert nogueira Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:41:27 -0500 References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: old dirtbeard , Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a box of Testor model paint ( do kids still build models?) and painted a different color strip on each socket and wrench. I can pick out the right socket or wrench from across the room. The paint strip lasts for years and is easily touch up. Bob Nogueira > On Sep 25, 2014, at 8:04 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > Hi Jack, > > Maybe some of us are getting older and the near vision is not quite what it used to be. :-) > > Actually I can identify most fractional sockets and nuts from across the room, but I have a much harder time with the metric fasteners... > > best, > > doug > ________________ > '72 BSA B50SS > '74 Moto Guzzi 850T > > '01 HD XHL 883 > '03 GMC Cargo Van > '07 Aprilia SXV 550 > '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jack Brooks > To: 'Shop Talk' > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. > > > What. . . you guys don't just look at the nut/bolt and grab the right socket > every time? > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter > J. Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:58 AM > To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. > > I have a lot of various sockets and wrenches that have stamped markings > which are hard to read when your under the car with low lighting. I > wondering if anyone has "blackened" their tools to make the markings > more readable, similar to the etched easy to read sockets. I was > thinking either use liquid electrical tape or gun blueing. Not sure > either would be durable on a chromed tool. Has anyone done this? > > Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nogera@icloud.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:40:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB9625851FD for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4C12580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:40:09 -0600 (MDT) d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From; bh=RmgvGsUpTFVChxPjUTbJ72FjrSof8oEEtUVMb9rGL9Q=; b=bpC405nkSSmXf2Z/GIqX2+cDESeudTsx5V+6BpcBvMMxdhviqZjmL3ntYkzuIGY3HABe9gssaYCefO3KK7qC6+Mizr0qrHVI4Ryc1natLpxoGXVPllh5wZdjkAL0Wv8W0r//4WGlwqf4Cc+4RAzwPlqpXsqjlnv+T/8QmPWSipA=; Received: from iglou2.iglou.com ([192.107.41.8]:64955 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1XXBCG-0004oc-GQ by authid with igloumta_auth for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from loudsl01-253-122-90.b.iglou.com ([64.253.122.90]:63812 helo=Ralt) by smtp.iglou.com with esmtp (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1XXBCE-0004fr-Vz; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:43:07 -0400 From: "William Engle Sr" To: , References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:49:41 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/Y1bv0mSc60TIPR6yrsoxkc1RnEAABfC2Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 15 and 18 mm are used more in the US than the rest of the world. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:18 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Metric is easy to ID by sight... "Give me a 12mm." (I find that 9 times out of ten, it's a 12mm.) 8>) If it looks much bigger, "give me the 14mm." Of course, the 17mm is always too small and the 19mm is too big, and for some reason, no metric set comes with an 18mm! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:50:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B487C25851F9 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD3F2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id d1so9772563wiv.3 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gDoE5Ol16wCZQcdU0rDKHVJrMkJrODyZx8FV/oNOKgI=; b=QBEWSs29yhOGgAjJyxrmmI6zfgyOj+YQjjzDUr0FVzlmSibkObC1FRr5PuaJ2HS/GS E33HKOWosiFr6SOUu9vwBLSXYWdHU0Yb5/PA4xifD8HFZ5GGVnhrz0q2EnOELyJ5Gm+E zPSVbes8+WLKmzvmOMIJQjgTWgO6fZa2gwat8DAuLQ6/V2LsA79T2s2+Mnd1BzxDTnUd Si/zukCTULePu0AAT1+M/nCUTiV86dFaAYUtA3gm61LPhfoRZ9Q7l25IrZmB/XIWppM/ wPCLu8SP4Uj6WMYQcKxUTiC22TpODvTHWoIkx5HXM+lVT+qCdca4f3XY/YBq1+SwpfeG le1A== y6mr17283734wje.42.1411660218787; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.59.66 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <54235593.4060603@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:50:18 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ON SALE NOW FOR $3.50 FREE POSTAGE; INCH & METRIC http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Socket-Labels-for-mechanics-the-home-craftsman-/280542105111?rd=1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > >> _______________________________________________ >> ____________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:50:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C175F258522D for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EC52580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id x13so5238293qcv.8 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oTs3Pz815/Ab2k0MijBPHm/93Rltx0wY1LZuAc0kPZg=; b=F3dj0A1uMLLcgerTXBWr5Po509iva7Y0C6D5J/+LSesYa0gNxi//6rlamGeNUy6XDI rD5a+f111dxjNCIBWN9ERo6TbX3+MjT4qhjdShgMbdvnOudnB46Lf1sZ1XV+UHRFdE6J hPJnbamE6x1OLnGxv1Lio508cfjNxIxxFCaiQ2nqqoJYzPoVekB4bXYXn7YR15rAgLNm UK2Mmwme8UByz3XXMiDOZmmIxBkYf4/f0OT4y1Tw1uowKzxS8Nh4cDJg7mu3LqKrI1Iw +BP/vkoxJicu8siwP6U3o5pekRIoDX5p3E6+Bi8pgyOjqOLpsZoAaNyxPcg0L0f7jcgo arfg== t94mr21775877qgt.3.1411660256431; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.30.161 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:50:56 -0400 From: Scott Hall To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That is *exactly* how I determine metric socket sizes, and I too continuously wonder why there isn't an 18mm. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:17 AM, wrote: > Metric is easy to ID by sight... > > > "Give me a 12mm." (I find that 9 times out of ten, it's a 12mm.) 8>) > > If it looks much bigger, "give me the 14mm." > > > Of course, the 17mm is always too small and the 19mm is too big, and for > some reason, no metric set comes with an 18mm! > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:52:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8F2585211 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0111.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52AB2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD96B0E2 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:54:57 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:854:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1437:1515:1516:1518:1533:1534:1536:1593:1594:1711:1714:1730:1747:1777:1792:2393:2559:2562:2828:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3868:3871:5007:7652:8531:10004:10400:10848:11658:11914:12196:12517:12519:13069:13311:13357:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:54:59 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net life is so much simpler with Whitworth cars and tools :) mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 10:04:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17F8258522D for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9EE2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:03:42 -0700 id 00000000002800C5.0000000054243CDE.00002A01 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:03:12 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2C7F4E08BA2446949BFC2AF08B812089@MDBC.local> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/25/2014 7:49 AM, William Engle Sr wrote: > 15 and 18 mm are used more in the US than the rest of the world. There's different standards on what size bolt head you get with a given size threaded shank. F'rinstance, a Japanese M8 bolt will be a 12mm head, but a Euro (or usually US) DIN M8 bolt will be a 13mm head and you'll pretty much never find anything that takes a 12mm socket on a German car. For some years Detroit, in particular, chose their metric fastener head sizes to be close enough to let you use SAE wrenches - and while we all know to grab an 8mm for a 5/16 head and vice-versa, 1/2in fits most 13mm, 5/8 usually fits 16mm, 19mm and 3/4 are interchangeable as are 7/8 and 22mm, the true Detroit oddity of the '80s was the M6 fastener with the 11mm head sized to fit a 7/16 wrench. Many older M12 fasteners and lots of parts-store M12s are 19mm head but I think most every mfr now (as true of my BMWs as my Suburban) uses 18mm heads on their M12s. If you're wrenching on any German product in the last dozen years you're going to need a set of 'outie' Torx sockets, though... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've tried those and they are pretty good... but eventually they peel off... I've had better luck with making my own with the vinyl labels from a Brothers or Dymo label maker... just get the sockets real clean before applying none are really adequate when your sockets are in rows in the tool box... then you depend on your visual references like in the 7th - 9th picture on link below... I really like the IR impacts pic 10 or so that have the sizes etched in the socket wall http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/tools/NEWTOOLPAGE.HTML john -----Original Message----- From: Elton E. (Tony) Clark Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:50 AM To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Bulk] [Shop-talk] Fwd: Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. ON SALE NOW FOR $3.50 FREE POSTAGE; INCH & METRIC http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Socket-Labels-for-mechanics-the-home-craftsman-/280542105111?rd=1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > >> _______________________________________________ >> ____________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 10:07:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC684258522F for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007AA2580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:10:48 -0700 id 00000000002800C5.0000000054243E88.00002B5E Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:10:19 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2C7F4E08BA2446949BFC2AF08B812089@MDBC.local> <54243CC0.2030601@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > For some years Detroit, in particular, chose their metric fastener head > sizes to be close enough to let you use SAE wrenches - and while we all > know to grab an 8mm for a 5/16 head and vice-versa, 1/2in fits most > 13mm, 5/8 usually fits 16mm, 19mm and 3/4 are interchangeable as are 7/8 > and 22mm, the true Detroit oddity of the '80s was the M6 fastener with > the 11mm head sized to fit a 7/16 wrench. 9/16 is usually too tight on a 14mm head but you will, at times, find 14mm fastener heads that were obviously sized to fit a 9/16 wrench, too. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 10:54:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FDE258527C for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C54258078C for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:54:44 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:44:22 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/25/2014 12:44:33, Serialize complete at 09/25/2014 12:44:33 Subject: [Shop-talk] Windows for shop doors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I want to add a window to my shop door. It's a standard metal insulated door. Is there a place I can get a window kit to put this in? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 11:04:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BE4258527D for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4474D258078C for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411664739; bh=2XfH4iagmVBpVX6Va4R4Q1SDAb0U2ZEIsz0atok3+ZM=; b=S4o4zVOhiOGPqdbyg73bn/4mCEvAsPYCHsr8BYdx9u7BJ+FgBF72D/MCk/MSHxX3vxGARjD4f/RxW8N914zmx+hHYAVBleQs1Y/ZGfxJ18FSBb796UU3q3XVa3FqutubsAxsvTOlon0Km/LuvlhK64XddUxOjidHsrQjCsJ1xtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=aVIYodNXJ9yuuJRCfAUFZ1pN2Twx3/aVgnGC5ljPtXJIeMiFdmcSVNzWGJIpw7UQ7vOMgPJlZk2ppRLsSyfJcgVQ8SrbF6lFUvu4tEZTNAzO/9DNYE3SMoUwFOrZybdxR1zdgy4IjNfWvmM9/695jIdyMReccvOMLnchUAgmU1A=; Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:05:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:05:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:05:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411664738; bh=2XfH4iagmVBpVX6Va4R4Q1SDAb0U2ZEIsz0atok3+ZM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=XA1g85WGlX65vAi+2uCYBZ96bdzsTJFjeuAuS5LGHlLiMxmbhbkEIR6JhezFn2GL21EHpXroibXGe+TogsVFjrATzZHjKUYFLrA410WbbsBcunbVao8nQwVBhYQ6on4OiseukJEZg/LKqmOTzNknfCiP1Gawer+Yc0daGsnP8pY= yO6mp.oocQWHlUmmJZo5PFz5XCOMiMcLpVfYr3cKIgasLwFrON1jMugIC.jT T8_cdYP07qQCcPLTi8lKHeaSb8DC07tv1o54Ddm0W_EVW4OrzzRUJr2aT1Ry Z_b96H3LayYF7UN6Mtx6ebrf0JKVMlAnnDhjaPDcgYG_ENoXdehn06f120RQ 1ih2xasgppMbONkjMT6AEAMqYyhBKsh.4md1dCvO5R0nBhHlhQBE8HtF7df0 oCN6SGE_P1bA12DTMn7_sKbJv1bSoCCppTgR0Cmdo3OYwC5lRSU1UNdMJSF2 PAlX9Wu.cwqXfuiUv5CkV6SgfMX2YKpofCUbhlb5pS6Lv7Mb3UBBaAiHhDB_ hj5LgEd5KryOn3WEuCYgcuWoWJnorpsh9PysHU_8YYE0PjiWPuEP72yTNT58 y2XXeWt8HyJtsjFfh54iHtOsUr5nwtyaoxAULZPZmfBmEbgQYpXJEC0BPsrU WR9GjLU.zqx56BqzURqShySOScqo3g5ZqtWkcW5IwH_ZQsuVffM85o8hC829 Wi7rdQmcdZh_02WZBq0Hzjv6xxPun9l4IRNTz1SHur0NJYvTTwzfw5cRJiuu krzlhuge.aRQ8mjj4NEg91OAWmhnWi4DRqbzxbb4- From: "john niolon" To: , "shop-talk" References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:05:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Windows for shop doors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net any of the commercial door sellers can get you a door window "kit" from 12"x12" to a half door window... with plain or wired safety glass check YP for some construction material suppliers... I doubt that any of the box stores will carry them. Then it's just a metabo slicing wheel and a screw driver john -----Original Message----- From: eric@megageek.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:44 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Bulk] [Shop-talk] Windows for shop doors I want to add a window to my shop door. It's a standard metal insulated door. Is there a place I can get a window kit to put this in? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 11:20:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC21225852A5 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CB72585290 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vTcz1o00216LCl001VPSAx; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:23:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vVPR1o00E06FvTL3SVPR7T; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:23:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:23:22 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop-talk References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> s=q20140121; t=1411665806; bh=PIIKHKKaxci4IK2a5O+q9Bm8ZmyH3/cuMQtReRdxX/Q=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Std+RCbssLas5nu8Rbyw8/uNU5gTnakcWzM2uWlV17j76Ot52tyTZ2DFS/LNuGbhD 1GMOBX707Mvt7PGiJaf9tOOlDAAB2K7LCMBvRQ1gnXPwTTHz2rZo1jfTBy2+SuQn48 0cVAyzyxlhTe4taf2aOsQ+Fxt7I+r20EpzxCJmV+UyahKnkLb+Igil2q5ipY9A+nvE 9bR4O+s9d2flS1sd6stIVD+tFxIi8s248Ypr50xOTaL6W+Kaee3d6jXw5D5+vYVjjm RhwlTboAAF/JizYeexIoQh1QBFmsT4lpYxUPKiofE3/HidNTEr4OPCStHt0EyAllj6 DLKVGzaVbcr4A== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/25/2014 11:41 AM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I bought a box of Testor model paint ( do kids still build models?) and > painted a different color strip on each socket and wrench. I can pick out the > right socket or wrench from across the room. The paint strip lasts for years > and is easily touch up. > > Bob Nogueira Then I'd assume Testor model paint would work well with the stamped sizes. I was leaning towards epoxy appliance paint, or auto touchup. I bottle of Testor's is easy to find and cheap. Appliance paint comes in spray cans and the auto touch is not cheap. One bottle of black Testor would handle my entire tool box and can leave it in the tool box for new purchases or touch-ups. Thanks!!! BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my near vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap womens reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses are generally larger than mens and double as safety glasses since they're plastic. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 12:07:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EF1258538A for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14352585190 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e1f68.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.31.104]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NCG008VMY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:02:08 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: "Peter J. Thomas" , Shop-talk References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic glasses will be made of different plastic that is also probably thinner. Besides the obvious absence of side shields, the reading glasses would not pass the tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of course, they are better than nothing. I guess it depends what you are trying to protect against. For light stuff, I'm sure they will do the job. For serious projectiles like a shattered grinding wheel, not so much. I have prescription glasses that are made of polycarbonate. I think they are closer to qualifying as safety glasses, minus side shields. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my >near vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap >womens reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses are >generally larger than mens and double as safety glasses since they're plastic. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 12:19:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57828258537F for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0102.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F2925846F6 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3095012BA13 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:255:355:379:599:800:854:967:973:982:988:989:1036:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1422:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:1987:2194:2197:2198:2199:2200:2201:2393:2525:2560:2563:2682:2685:2693:2739:2828:2859:2897:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3353:3653:3865:3866:3867:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:5007:6117:7652:7903:8531:8551:8599:8985:9025:10004:10400:10450:10455:10848:11232:11258:11658:11855:11914:12043:12049:12050:12517:12519:12663:12740:12776:13069:13311:13357:13846:14096:14097:19904:19999:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:20:52 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> <0NCG008VNY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use only bi-focal safety glasses now. Local woodshop sells them at $5 each on sale at least once a month (woodcraft.com) normally $10/each. http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/safreadglas.html has them down to $3.10 each for really ugly ones, the average is about $8 on there. I have many pairs now :) mike On 9/25/2014 11:02 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic > glasses will be made of different plastic that is also probably > thinner. Besides the obvious absence of side shields, the reading > glasses would not pass the tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of > course, they are better than nothing. I guess it depends what you are > trying to protect against. For light stuff, I'm sure they will do the > job. For serious projectiles like a shattered grinding wheel, not so > much. I have prescription glasses that are made of polycarbonate. I > think they are closer to qualifying as safety glasses, minus side > shields. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > > >> BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my near >> vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap womens >> reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 12:29:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B65B2585397 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330522580331 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hq12so959988vcb.11 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3+K9ZQmb6NhvxAl5IfmtxQmox6Ag7/EmD4WUw9Y7uzs=; b=wgGSDUYQFzHpfm+4TROTTrcnCbEvo8Ij6FzuNzrWD9dQrgu2VOBQb954/d730XNtuU ih05HR2CsmRIP8jlKsjSXpuItOKWkinBb9G0ePe6a/AYSipbJr7LMApJ0cXtZVKWm7RF ieFG2m2kw1opPELKn5yhX1KH00LRbrnA1zqyD4440bUKUQg2383KU+XyDqjkCmHewoQO LWP4Lb7KJXWtWfWzs54MBSP3Wq/jb7+M70RzhcOR0L8cXMKcAExMivkikWbu1y867RG2 E2GB6vXlYTyZrddiN6x42rK/1z75/gACT67/e2ta0SuyLxw/h98N/7Rz1UosAOymeRlU dYkQ== yy1mr1306027vdb.57.1411669921800; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.2.135 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> <0NCG008VNY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <54245D04.8010505@dinospider.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:32:01 -0400 From: Larry Spector To: Mike Rambour Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Last time I bought prescription glasses, I went to Lenscrafters and asked for their safety glass collection. They had a handful of frames with removable side shields, and I had them made with bifocal lenses and safety glass. -Larry On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > I use only bi-focal safety glasses now. Local woodshop sells them at $5 > each on sale at least once a month (woodcraft.com) normally $10/each. > > http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/safreadglas.html has them down to $3.10 > each for really ugly ones, the average is about $8 on there. > > I have many pairs now :) > > mike > > On 9/25/2014 11:02 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > >> Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic glasses >> will be made of different plastic that is also probably thinner. Besides >> the obvious absence of side shields, the reading glasses would not pass the >> tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of course, they are better than >> nothing. I guess it depends what you are trying to protect against. For >> light stuff, I'm sure they will do the job. For serious projectiles like a >> shattered grinding wheel, not so much. I have prescription glasses that >> are made of polycarbonate. I think they are closer to qualifying as safety >> glasses, minus side shields. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >> >> >> BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my near >>> vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap womens >>> reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/lspector@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 14:51:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76418258444D for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9178E258068A for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vYpY1o0051ap0As01Yrfwk; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:51:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vYre1o00R06FvTL3iYrf5s; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:51:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:51:36 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Steven Trovato , Shop-talk References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> <0NCG008VNY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> s=q20140121; t=1411678299; bh=NSSzwC26AwvrZE05Ktdh61GiJd0/ExB+xVR2OqdYjiI=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=VzeEVEdXbMIm3pQpkJNK8BXHsvmdMIGPV9L+PofbauDVfA/lL8WL229rg8odOfdV8 IIx+9c0xpDfGjItUmEZ3sofoAQn738nhFGC10Uqg2c2PyUW56PKRbsT02evOnetqsY 3NWQQEMRFFrlZhVLL9iqTJhnmeidBP8oIlDZtgHmTFKMXdrKgATYJ9UYNDyx2vlF2H v87RL0PsG+o1AHhUPt+MazK0FGPTCPJ6CiwpkhOQqwk9buX3/xTNWC3WBFQsbYQrCx vghE8HeMcd7GoMwS5WdckCaJ+k5BaMstr7MuT5cHWBRlv9/YWMiQ5HY7E0samOh4kw ukBrf8kkWhMtw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/25/2014 2:02 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic > glasses will be made of different plastic that is also probably > thinner. Besides the obvious absence of side shields, the reading > glasses would not pass the tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of > course, they are better than nothing. I guess it depends what you are > trying to protect against. For light stuff, I'm sure they will do the > job. For serious projectiles like a shattered grinding wheel, not so > much. I have prescription glasses that are made of polycarbonate. I > think they are closer to qualifying as safety glasses, minus side > shields. I have polycarb shooting glasses for safety and I use them for heavy duty tasks I wont put my face close enough to need reading lens. However I'm pretty sure the readers are polycarb and thicker than cheap glasses because its a lens. You're right not real safety glasses but good enough for light close work and reading manuals. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: > > >> BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my near >> vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap womens >> reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses are generally >> larger than mens and double as safety glasses since they're plastic. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 14:51:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242282584640 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6220125806B8 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vYlw1o0071ei1Bg01YsjFM; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:52:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vYsj1o00406FvTL3kYsjK0; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:52:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:52:40 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Mike Rambour , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> <0NCG008VNY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <54245D04.8010505@dinospider.com> s=q20140121; t=1411678363; bh=FBTI6IPPf/H5FIfJNEtORgOElAVEgkOtZVfGPCzJ2pQ=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=UkX5qeyO6oeaPQlw82MJkkrMWGOHJ8cKDL/LWrgL0fQIyp8/jXYTxzug4ilOM+TSx vEPuYgamjI9oJjuM2f5KrtzZm7bmCRRE4rR9QwlFu6e+AbVYyuSY1nTlRNIHFt8UCn HJi8IIceALrV9+JBULfm+zsRF+1G2BJOwj4sNiq00rlPyjTd+5m4dFh0to8NnC6bwV 3rbml0vPim3uFM501kuJOLcOkAymD9gJAvcBsJIprzTEYgXI8q+LsVxTL5QqMgluMK a0n5X+UaQd8HrpkxvkMK3va8IAHDL+bP/c/1QKcBP11uD36fremh+wbQm/IPH3n3VD kM3BTyQZlTigA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/25/2014 2:20 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > I use only bi-focal safety glasses now. Local woodshop sells them at > $5 each on sale at least once a month (woodcraft.com) normally $10/each. > > http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/safreadglas.html has them down to > $3.10 each for really ugly ones, the average is about $8 on there. > > I have many pairs now :) Thanks, ugly is fine since I''m ugly. > > mike > > On 9/25/2014 11:02 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic >> glasses will be made of different plastic that is also probably >> thinner. Besides the obvious absence of side shields, the reading >> glasses would not pass the tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of >> course, they are better than nothing. I guess it depends what you >> are trying to protect against. For light stuff, I'm sure they will >> do the job. For serious projectiles like a shattered grinding wheel, >> not so much. I have prescription glasses that are made of >> polycarbonate. I think they are closer to qualifying as safety >> glasses, minus side shields. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >> >> >>> BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my >>> near vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap >>> womens reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 16:36:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0CA2584EEC for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066E925845BD for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id y13so11448212pdi.15 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ds33yggQ8HpP5EhPRaJAEMMyG4UhKmfUIa0FzDYKkTE=; b=n7jtQX6otye2Pl+CJMP2mqW8Sv2wMFYdLsrcPD5JU9sLixs+k5wwGVECkXh6dBOy2C GEdjttRaiuuzooU/L+5Nrqu54EWMrNlajLP1h2uRG3dfqFlZX6MfeQVUyMMsImr9GBRt cmCjOUsAIIbUS+pAAMREjQUW8SyJmLwXvR9neNM92JB6h6cjXrDoBthAMs/I/WM5trpi ZHsTXtMqTjvId9gWIC0zhrZAD9i137+BkZX8Y1jTGx5+su3Hms72+mB/1ONWx4Ga+GjF CRMUCE0ig1IVgqCLQiF5dH+yXnDlgvzllrwLTJrYEakGHKnn2tZYslmj77rp2M+fJj7V 9Lsw== ip2mr23799397pbc.120.1411684738313; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.74.199 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <2C7F4E08BA2446949BFC2AF08B812089@MDBC.local> <54243CC0.2030601@milleredp.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:38:58 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: John Miller Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM, John Miller wrote: > On 9/25/2014 7:49 AM, William Engle Sr wrote: >> >> 15 and 18 mm are used more in the US than the rest of the world. > > > There's different standards on what size bolt head you get with a given size > threaded shank. > > F'rinstance, a Japanese M8 bolt will be a 12mm head, but a Euro (or usually > US) DIN M8 bolt will be a 13mm head and you'll pretty much never find > anything that takes a 12mm socket on a German car. > > For some years Detroit, in particular, chose their metric fastener head > sizes to be close enough to let you use SAE wrenches There are also all the lovely 80s stuff that has metric heads and SAE threads, to meet some silly contract requirement. I do not miss working on that crap, at all. For the original question, when I was running a shop w/ a quick lube lane, which used cheap shop-owned tools, we used a tire crayon to color in the etching, which worked fine, but wasn't terribly durable. Wiping some model paint in the depressions would probably work great. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 17:39:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC462580706 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8212580706 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:39:07 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411688526; bh=LtqOb/4zmkwiAWAzbHQcZnlaaKm1pJ9vjZVcotkp+ZE=; b=BJLj59xH2WRm5RcjVecToWVdwNBzQfbwmIR/uK3duTImW/KPtBbGEE5K0EF3qjlKvC6bY3IGCRme1/iaORzbKlrLHTA4BX6aYeZC/IeWP9XGmgjDieBMTO9Ubz8VdWmDcT50W1FuokAMWxg1sT4SfDoKN8f68JTmnT+CvS3B3k0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=mDMuUFNqjS9svRqCCcXz0qsRatlQSte3kp/jkiQJEBkyHO4bZ8mAx/oVQa91wm3I0a7+Fh3iqlKT6kvkIyLXo9znHgziLpfX0CyoANG827Z+awjspkuqzg1h8kQPeI2Sb27hvAazIapA76fpDMo47IlqCs4xaAyOb1BViam5P78=; Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 23:42:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411688526; bh=LtqOb/4zmkwiAWAzbHQcZnlaaKm1pJ9vjZVcotkp+ZE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MjeDld59sJtJIrc6JPll5gfwnfuV2G1z/kDfej96fOa0+MeA6zVgj9mqv9aBuNXv7cyie9vqA6h/f6JLoXGD5I/GXSSLH9d6n/QL2tV+pQeTJSborbLW+Fpm3oSpZV19IbXZIzvCgVGIi5YhJturY5KgPeuriSYVwC2idmW8Qh8= G.6SDhyy2cWzzxQ.bpB.6wQ2tlnnwQFFWBTndPDJi7Q2xSXnXQgRC20ZbZzq r4osx9ZINhe1mmGP.Zw2spfuTqF0b6P7uEX5HA_mvERl6BUfUS6l5Mt_EGLI 9x1YfK4zmyEeZkD9FYX4.gkuzP1y00swPPwNOYPIPtg6_8XR.TvcNqEnxv2d c.nLhsmqUP84o4DW8sv_edVEggB0RTBcj5OsbkyV_BYfGZZAK.5n5x0dz8Jw 8xxJ3vN34K3ElcgSG1V0.cD9DMyOnYYmPS5gL6IRbfCbNdg9w9_mxMBK9uG2 pRXC5HUOuoQiPcrtQevFkvCBtYoaY87Ofz4lPtp.b7xQ5xVWEJaW8tFK363z gs4TchoG6HSlRp5JKwL244cvcy3TFVr_2y0YSC55ceIvB5X_1UK7sFSRgFgE GeateMkTRyyr0ddKcRNeRqGkpOsBnk4TIitNf7objUQYjY5JqosSfFhJqH2g hO2cEsLpkk5MqedWvVI4JYxaIDZtzEWd7BtZQA8PA_Ljq0aPupo6IgMZVFwO 0jxchUA.bt_ORYsxO..HFBlYdfCKZlaC0bBy3lAI81HLpv7tDgfq9z8ww7Cl RcDT64AcTXJ3HAaabNdnwAPczUNJ17xdAwDLFp.tf5R.VgW1wEcZPRuTQabA 0BfGLzYtsyYv1JtGQfdD92W58V7rcZVRYmGGzvMWkzA-- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:42:18 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <54235593.4060603@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Fwd: Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ordered! On 9/25/2014 10:50 AM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > ON SALE NOW FOR $3.50 FREE POSTAGE; INCH & METRIC > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Socket-Labels-for-mechanics-the-home-craftsman-/280542105111?rd=1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 18:28:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D5E2585081 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7D258086E for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e1f68.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.31.104]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NCH00EE5G485JI0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:27:26 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <54235593.4060603@earthlink.net> <5424A85A.1070209@att.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Fwd: Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I did too. It was actually only $3.25. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 07:42 PM 9/25/2014, steve hochschild wrote: >Ordered! > >On 9/25/2014 10:50 AM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: >>ON SALE NOW FOR $3.50 FREE POSTAGE; INCH & METRIC >> >> >>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Socket-Labels-for-mechanics-the-home-craftsman-/280542105111?rd=1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 18:38:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F542585035 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s21.hotmail.com [65.55.111.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE8A258086E for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W48 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:41:21 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 19:41:20 -0500 References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <54235593.4060603@earthlink.net>, , , <5424A85A.1070209@att.net> FILETIME=[9790FA10:01CFD922] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Fwd: Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Ordered! > Me as well this morning after seeing the thread with the link. If nothing else these will help with the socket ID in the back of my still TOO DARK shop. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 19:15:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4CF25845C6 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 19:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A81258086E for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 19:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vdEs1o0021vXlb851dJVWr; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:18:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vdJV1o00406FvTL3ddJVSu; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:18:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:18:26 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Mike Rambour , shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5422F82A.9000303@comcast.net> <1411650249.8248.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <7EB31C46-9D44-410E-87BB-15926705CA2C@icloud.com> <54244F8A.8030004@comcast.net> <0NCG008VNY8V1CU0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <54245D04.8010505@dinospider.com> s=q20140121; t=1411694309; bh=ThXE7TDiiOMLd1rYhDVvcThS05/iWCDh7HwS3t2A264=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=PSzpoZyGu6f3qCKslB86tbZO/Sk2hunWQlfyn3m9D6aeF64kVc+ep0NAGvB6mtrkx 7kSCRraXEqB8MNe/h5ygS7B8TXkwbxdpyxPFLsy4qwFqdy+sr1Lk1JWr8vXC34OLAK BRZ0spUz1onaZb6Zr/c7x9KiNkiAdqg3LGWqk4o6J4/v1TKjRcl5HezBBfVTJ5B44Y o8G6tlfohicYJUXlPUrNu51AOMo8WaS15DBhqq+lyiLVNsQh278F+cq4bVXQeBiugN e1GEoysoROTYhj3Pj16ughmtQt2x19iHPcLX0LJAcAeKZrGwDKmN9rZh4h4/YI9T3B TIrzKpF01C7OQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Blackening sockets/wrenches stamped markings. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/25/2014 2:20 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > I use only bi-focal safety glasses now. Local woodshop sells them at > $5 each on sale at least once a month (woodcraft.com) normally $10/each. > > http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/safreadglas.html has them down to > $3.10 each for really ugly ones, the average is about $8 on there. > > I have many pairs now :) > > mike Ordered three pair of the cheap ones. > > On 9/25/2014 11:02 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> Safety glasses are usually made of polycarbonate. Cheap plastic >> glasses will be made of different plastic that is also probably >> thinner. Besides the obvious absence of side shields, the reading >> glasses would not pass the tests to qualify as safety glasses. Of >> course, they are better than nothing. I guess it depends what you >> are trying to protect against. For light stuff, I'm sure they will >> do the job. For serious projectiles like a shattered grinding wheel, >> not so much. I have prescription glasses that are made of >> polycarbonate. I think they are closer to qualifying as safety >> glasses, minus side shields. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> At 01:23 PM 9/25/2014, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >> >> >>> BTW, the color stripe won't work for me. Not only have I lost my >>> near vision, but I'm also color blind. One tip to add, I use cheap >>> womens reading glasses in the shop. Womens reading glasses > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 12:58:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E7F25848BF for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com (mail-ig0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88C32580801 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id h3so63657igd.4 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GNsHwFSrGe1amq3mKd2Un+i+eqa0YkHvBHIxE5QMDls=; b=AP6VHzUF06fbVH2nPM++eY68UouGCqNWRlscZJpLT+Q4u/Mf0Eiwp8aGGGdi8aSSVr zAvZrR/JnzBw85B93km8xMfsqjFi4DQWypUQK88irOW+N/TFEZ1C01g/x6Fh4HtUwWmv E/qdwsbaNE0fQxOG/lUM1O4Gg1lGX0l3dUc/EeFEZpe9ZsFhD3GzsRE0BdbJoyX+fPTX AcmO4/3vsawCPM3UO4Q/oQ/VsVf3BYZbkVeTtk/9a3iSl662b8rOiUWP9tojaFxagOIX QYpxWu8t05jKAxmHjsX+KUry+k6jqwan+tQiEpMtodyk4RWgKX8pTbybMmshC8ugu6mx aI1A== Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.16.6 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:00:57 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: ShopTalk Subject: [Shop-talk] air hose quick disconnects that don't leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, Recommendations for air hose quick disconnect fittings that don't leak? I have the standard brass & 'other material' type ones from Lowes/HD/HF like these: http://www.harborfreight.com/4-Piece-Solid-Brass-Industrial-uick-Coupler-Set-68241.html Problem is that fairly quickly they start to leak when connected and I'm getting sick of it. Are there versions of these things that are more robust? Thanks! Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 13:10:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D471725848D5 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEED02580943 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:13:36 -0700 id 000000000028001E.000000005425BAE0.000040A5 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:13:06 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose quick disconnects that don't leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have the standard brass & 'other material' type ones from Lowes/HD/HF > like these: > > http://www.harborfreight.com/4-Piece-Solid-Brass-Industrial-uick-Coupler-Set-68241.html > > Problem is that fairly quickly they start to leak when connected and I'm > getting sick of it. Are there versions of these things that are more > robust? I use the 3/8in Tru-Flate type (probably overkill for most purposes) - they also have a letter code, F maybe? and I've got two or three different varieties of the push-connect fittings: http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-quick-disconnect-hose-couplings/=tw6rlp I've been trying to get whip hoses on all my tools, buying NPT-to-NPT whip hoses twice as long as I really want and cutting them in half, sticking one of the hose-barb fittings in the cut hose, putting a couple Oetiker ear clamps on it, and covering the clamps with heatshrink, then the threaded ends of the resulting whip hoses screw into the tools. Cheaper, fewer threaded connections, easily field-repaired if necessary. I made a mistake when I initially plumbed my air system, I pointed all the quick-couplers on the air plumbing down. Eventually they'd all accumulate just enough water and crud to corrode and leak when they were NOT in use, which was an ongoing problem for a while. I've gradually redone most of them so they no longer point down, and the couple that still do are semi-permanently coupled to a hose reel or something so they're not a problem. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 13:11:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0EE2585172 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056482584630 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f15so1572600lbj.11 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=a583426X1bnRveNH+1/GOndhg5ulqbBg+/SLkv0/nSc=; b=XRfZD0Y4YPa6FD2yf689ToaflRPjvdx3CpmtVxNKw7HBRJKpDj6+74X4HYb8+i0/tO 4tsjS5Ox4Cf7lP0Mx86UdAIkc+ZL9+MUXBHAW9AzpiBnwGqNtdltGQMrVZM4FvfU9KpR kJ2sRznOLqF/LuyZz5wA3+OHoDEeG0+n3cEW/iBAjhQGPZc/K2j15BtZqy6mrSiDkLh0 Uq0EkP4PmfVC9qMKikl0MhHevWdICzpPZMAZKvY8naNI7/9vEPf6zX89lB61K9oyMXa3 CH1U49D7yhzrMESwyWrvKOM78NG6Nr9Q49TCrKXeArq9yzNH0mkIrbiUlgWuUig6Hruv LttA== bm4mr21082019lbb.90.1411758857188; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:14:17 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Mark Andy Cc: ShopTalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose quick disconnects that don't leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dunno. I buy cheap stuff at Menards and it works fine. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Mark Andy wrote: > Howdy, > > Recommendations for air hose quick disconnect fittings that don't leak? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 14:17:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B65A25851CD for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E897525806FB for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id w7so10177708lbi.21 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B8DuX0WkO37dyFoNbGlprgZHnvJ/GCWt2T0Y1+k59VA=; b=a/xv13LhPpTG9a2xBpq5TlLgzpemNQObdFco1OaB4mbXheGEbMCPGW4L0243uMpIIB l8zjp2b6ob3jm5o4nYXPEBSkxtT3ofVB/kOBWW/RcogRQnn0Nsq3bdAUyWrKN6k76ZdU VbKP8Wgb1B8VlkM/KYV7ONovwfuzlvQ6X0szZTXp0tnTSEtDNhjn+s3itOppICmlVvGa Cce15sEwVnaIGlNVKuqprwyAIC1a3o61ApHQ/i90hMrMxksRWeF3CbikLDORCQHo5fWc wigQgq7U4azNEk4Uu52IixKdgeaVn7/q6y/XGFGZRzQ00DxvhzNq7UUEO9yZH/nypG8+ 1acQ== x5mr23424968lad.42.1411762811449; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.234.71 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:20:11 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose quick disconnects that don't leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Get Milton "V" style high-flow couplings: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Milton-S216-V-STYLE-HI-FLOW-COUPLER-PLUG-/400346993197?pt=US_Hand_Tools&hash=item5d368a522d I used to have the "industrial" type, and I changed them all to the "V" type. The sockets also accept the most common "automotive" type plugs. No leaks, and you don't get a loud "pop" of air when you disconnect. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 16:27:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6CE2584879 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F7925806FE for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049BE2C0076 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:29:45 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: ShopTalk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose quick disconnects that don't leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've used Milton M style for years, been quite happy with them. Back in my brewing days we started using some quick connect hose fittings for the cooling coil, bottle washer and such. Unlike air line fittings, they can not be disconnected while under pressure. Silly me. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 21:48:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E2E2580682 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.185.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989C3258044F for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCJ00ATAK18UV80@nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 03:51:13 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-26_07:2014-09-26,2014-09-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409270031 From: Robert nogueira Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:51:08 -0500 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Rivets backer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need to install some 1/4 inch rivets in my current project. These are the old fashion solid metal rivets with a domed head. I have had no problem mushrooming the stem with a hammer. My problem is that the round head tends to also flatten on the crown. What I need is a backer that the round head can sit in when hammering the stem. I'm sure there is a tool for this but I have no idea what it is called much less where to buy one. Can anyone help me with a name and source for such a tool? Thanks for any help. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 06:10:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B89258083B for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984725807E9 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:10:17 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411819997; bh=SsN9zbWxAQxLgTN0YIh1X+jJRiGB5egM7I96TAbEl4o=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:From:Subject; b=Zf9hDaFf6jXoahRDOQBVkgvWa4qWgjuMD4yylBiJUFODDvgEsKlEWgb5J8at1dWNvjHX8JkOzw/oZKHl23u3q0AvT2Lc6o8r0jMER35hrxpFNUnaSTtUIzV/oleUfz93xD0LHVi3YPo7tGllIha/4MHze37VN9Xj7L5ZagYWQO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=K7kDyOtnfd9fcZNemXf/k2Ids8SnmXFmEBWEKqSr752hnjI0ihUSQBVtRipLQS0IvX1Ju+QC+3pXKZFohPdymekk9oW8iklZIsQJHVdmsH1kRKnLFGbhBmmfNRfC8Lw+pEFyF/lPnMslZzrhlYF2gtJjOZqqtM0ncgkTgy0jYHk=; Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2014 12:13:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2014 12:13:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2014 12:13:17 -0000 bmTba4wHl6pWsOSdQOxmIMP8ynTiYorlfNak5iN6YBPRAIIC1UUZAztwwxDX whP8.iSCiy8WQc.XPoph5V3XVfxGrpwrQQNBdtqDbo1GcSLvu0MVXSBtsJA. eLSAUCvaQgHL9q3eZ6I5RjrhOxeXwKN.IZTaMPtmQWiBPXMYPko2z4JESrou C4CuqmjQt5sFOmX9NMdxBR2w7S.rVR_g6S1CcSTkGc2dnRcqkRiUV.rygqMw BMbA0qPeShOnJub7LenAnKbWyDyZ0fNZrz0V_sY.1Q69m.A_bPVyPFa_s.37 ZuLnAGBMJrCr0rgi6OAwoYkspTnenDcWWu4Nwv61BC4Ll5Gllireev5Bai7k __nsVrCKM9PnLtMRuBbfy1xV.rXmDs1bY2_vOOIwWQrY8HfWILu67QqLvpOQ JwPUBn_h9WBlgiRj43T39yTztb6UEcoenDwOxfSfLnuusHAV2KINyh5slECd SsiIGqeh4Hs7sYvldhJ4ImouYITkBw4QyNYeAOnBPLWDZa81Xrw-- From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Shop-talk'" References: <19402CDC-C1D1-400A-813B-C1B924E1AA9C@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 07:13:18 -0500 Thread-Index: AQEvixzxL46+GL14IHSSeixzzyZbbJ1VgH4Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Bulk] Rivets backer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It's called a rivet set. Rivets are actually driven from the head end, and the shop head (the flattened part) is formed against a bucking bar. You can put a rivet set into a regular automotive air chisel, but it's hard to do a decent job that way because air chisels have on-off triggers. Real rivet guns have sensitive triggers and can be adjusted to just deliver one blow at a time when the trigger is worked properly. You could hand-hammer against the back of the rivet set, to do just a few rivets. Rivets can also be squeezed, which makes nice and uniform heads easily, IF your rivets are all close to an edge - rivet squeezers have fairly shallow throats. If you Google "Rivet set" you'll find lots of suppliers. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Robert nogueira Subject: [Bulk] [Shop-talk] Rivets backer I need to install some 1/4 inch rivets in my current project. These are the old fashion solid metal rivets with a domed head. I have had no problem mushrooming the stem with a hammer. My problem is that the round head tends to also flatten on the crown. What I need is a backer that the round head can sit in when hammering the stem. I'm sure there is a tool for this but I have no idea what it is called much less where to buy one. Can anyone help me with a name and source for such a tool? Thanks for any help. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 06:12:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A640A25809A2 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EEA25807E9 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wCE21o0040Fqzac54CFMdg; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:15:21 +0000 Received: from stargate ([68.42.110.209]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wCFJ1o0074X6w5Q3UCFJrW; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:15:21 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "Robert nogueira" , "Shop-talk" References: <19402CDC-C1D1-400A-813B-C1B924E1AA9C@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:15:17 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1411820121; bh=xEXp43Ia0gVehhfYjmsQob3+nkqHhohKYaD27uB9kK0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BbeZCh6XDa82N38DO8fFEuU77o9mmfR3JKeGMKJB67ziRBapzgPdSXUI1lVfepMW1 dHPWJQXF00ldfr75bq06Yy3EaqDNs9S02vNavvyWv9Bi2j/GA0IUAv6ERrV5G9gmtZ 8jLQr4jnTmzWZ2XVLkD4Oz+7y7lOHOUXVrJta2FUqyHN7od27MGP9302fjpjlz1kvA eRH6NH3xAGxtMtuBvPkxipPJ5DW1dAA/e44P9lJ4p7jRzbEhsVhv1ltq2xdbyG1TuI sU1KJ3zF6R2bKALONrZSptBE3ZF7Q9nMXzpQTVkvNlrdaI/0wMbsoza4aED4MI7pKF 5p1s0eMUz7VGg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rivets backer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There are backers for installation of snaps in fabric, perhaps one of those would be the correct size. Or might a right sized socket work? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert nogueira" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:51 PM To: "Shop-talk" Subject: [Shop-talk] Rivets backer > I need to install some 1/4 inch rivets in my current project. These are > the > old fashion solid metal rivets with a domed head. I have had no problem > mushrooming the stem with a hammer. My problem is that the round head > tends to > also flatten on the crown. What I need is a backer that the round head > can > sit in when hammering the stem. I'm sure there is a tool for this but I > have > no idea what it is called much less where to buy one. > Can anyone help me with a name and source for such a tool? > Thanks for any help. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 09:32:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34BF2580A1F for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S20.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s20.hotmail.com [65.55.111.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE82925807AC for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W36 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:35:22 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:35:22 -0500 FILETIME=[A6EBA9F0:01CFDA68] Subject: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a bunch of cans, PB blaster, WD40, etc that have lost their pressure but are not empty; a couple are close to half full. (I left these two in them garage shop over winter ) I am wondering if anyone has punched open cans in this condition to salvage the rest of the penetrant/contents? If so, what has been done or recommended? Or should I not even mess with it? I have a seized block I'd love to use these cans' contents on.... thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 09:37:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B0A2584539 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923125807AC for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:38:18 -0700 id 00000000002800AD.000000005426D9EA.000019B4 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:37:47 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/27/2014 8:35 AM, Tim . wrote: > I have a bunch of cans, PB blaster, WD40, etc that have lost their pressure If they've lost their pressure then I'd just drill or punch a hole near the top and pour it out. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 10:02:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1841A258093A for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E79258080E for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55012] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F0/B3-21599-E20E6245; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:05:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim .'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:04:59 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/aaLJOZxajmV33QCaNV1k0d7/m/AAAyfag Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a bunch of cans, PB blaster, WD40, etc that have lost > their pressure What I usually do is re-pressurize them from the shop air. Takes a certain amount of coordination, but I hold the tip of the (non-OSHA) air gun up to the opening of the spray button, then press the button while pressing the valve on the air gun. You may need to repeat a few times as you empty the can (especially if the can was still nearly full) but it gives a good spray for a while. > I am wondering if anyone has punched open cans in this > condition to salvage > the rest of the penetrant/contents? I've done that too. The neat way is to drill a hole, but a prick punch & BFH works well enough. In fact, I'm in the habit of piercing cans before I throw them away; just to remove any possibility of the can exploding when the garbage is compacted. For that, a sharp rap on the corner of the vise will usually puncture the can. They are surprisingly thin. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 10:26:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B42C2580A2D for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E00258093A for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 72/9C-24556-8C5E6245; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:28:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Robert nogueira'" , "'Shop-talk'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:28:53 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/aBlUimv5YaKqPRCenOslq4YCKDAAaa+1w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rivets backer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > What I need is a backer that the > round head can > sit in when hammering the stem. I'm sure there is a tool for > this but I have > no idea what it is called much less where to buy one. Here is one option: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/buckingblocks.php Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 11:11:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12BB2584539 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC5A2580A1F for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id n8so7163231qaq.8 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=qOFtYuqhmycmxwxdd3mzpnvBRCF9FndguK9REwcFuBY=; b=ycMZP/4mQoc0WNp4HGO7UEprIBIaz2rbUup/LrY5CvW4g6Oef8148cHLIaiSsw5Ygx nDKmo1DYv2FYMCtWEgHrMUZ8bUlazij328r7qWCZxc2p7h4UmNYCV1LKDsJxPUYt6jow dv/3wCOiCcuqmGwmYKM9pYMHnOsjoWGeSCQ25isKskq/ZUDws0bb08yixuNO3Blm0STe vp1zl0lzc0OsARkz3hNAf44hmM+UJkDbRGRBRrAXopU8MpyN9H1miaTdhe5iXUBkQQcy XAPpZ6WIfyn8Tyb6+Vfnkti/U3zK8MI4cXR4Bn4q9DgsOpdui86PV6cTa5XfbArgFdeT VIsw== v7mr10434565qab.53.1411838036096; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1007:b118:1372:89fa:6e62:1b5:5c80? ([2600:1007:b118:1372:89fa:6e62:1b5:5c80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h108sm7266312qgh.18.2014.09.27.10.13.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:13:53 -0400 To: "Tim ." Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I worked in a QC lab where we tested aerosols. "Tapping" the can was the first step. Just punch a hole in it with an awl and you can put the contents right out. You can do it to a pressurized can to, as they always were when we did it. You just let them stand upright for a minute and punch a hole near the top and let it vent. -Paul > On Sep 27, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Tim . wrote: > > I have a bunch of cans, PB blaster, WD40, etc that have lost their pressure > but are not empty; a couple are close to half full. (I left these two in them > garage shop over winter ) > > I am wondering if anyone has punched open cans in this condition to salvage > the rest of the penetrant/contents? If so, what has been done or recommended? > Or should I not even mess with it? > > I have a seized block I'd love to use these cans' contents on.... > > thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 16:27:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021BF258492C for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S2.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s2.hotmail.com [65.55.111.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8602580AC0 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W17 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:30:23 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:30:22 -0500 References: FILETIME=[A08A9EB0:01CFDAA2] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. Now I hope for a quick release on this block; pistons are shot but the rods and crank are good for sure, maybe the block but probably not. > From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:35:22 -0500 > Subject: [Shop-talk] aerosol cans > > I have a bunch of cans, PB blaster, WD40, etc that have lost their pressure > but are not empty; a couple are close to half full. (I left these two in them > garage shop over winter ) > > I am wondering if anyone has punched open cans in this condition to salvage > the rest of the penetrant/contents? If so, what has been done or recommended? > Or should I not even mess with it? > > I have a seized block I'd love to use these cans' contents on.... > > thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 18:38:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12A5258093C for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.185.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8B1258086D for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCL004TZ5V21930@nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:40:15 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-27_01:2014-09-26,2014-09-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409280007 From: Robert nogueira Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:40:15 -0500 References: <72.9C.24556.8C5E6245@cdptpa-oedge01> To: Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rivets backer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys,the,rivet set is just what Ii need. Found several local suppliers on line. Bob Nogueira _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 18:10:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95CD258446E for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f174.google.com (mail-we0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8DD2580963 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w62so11633635wes.19 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tOAj7Orp2YNDiUNDPca2VKys5yiVqymx2WtX+UqN6F8=; b=ls8UrHD0vsOIzOF4ZfITNA9AwRPQJrW1gkyCF7EVuxbs1AqQkfsQ+IbrKacdyjTrqS cgzbCOhkpQ2VAQ//k7zIsn6fTR05b29o+cGcwMqueCrEJkn3qIeTwbSeTDhSdLjF4Ahm +z9K/QTwXwvKbTTG5kjCgTsx6zl3xV2A0MoYWa3+r6OjKrMfwighw4xPRJ9DipgrBuAY 6u0rdaJ9Lo0z39urEaVtQ7kaibPpJ2/jTc8jqGV3RsRnLAMBS2B2WNT/L2XMDsJmcWDe Ta/VuYnVu5rizU9c98kCfXN2iombWyKXFT41NseQ0gxXNHeuE9FvYvYF4gkJV8jjbHCX Bgjg== ax4mr39537829wjc.3.1411949589582; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.135.20 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:13:09 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Shop-Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Warning: Frost Proof Outdoor Faucet Failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All, It's been quiet so I thought I'd share a frustrating story. This spring I replaced an original 30 year old outdoor faucet that didn't survive this winter's extra cold weather. I went to Lowe's and bought what they had the most of. This evening I went to shut it off after watering and the knob turned with no resistance. Pulled the thing apart and found a long, thin, hollow copper pushtube that pressed the washer against the seat. The push tube had longitudinal cracks on both ends that allowed the tube to ride over the flange that was supposed to put pressure on it when you twisted the knob. I'll return to Lowe's to try and find something better designed, but I'd guess every one of these is failing. I found at least one other complaint online. They could not possibly have done any long term testing of this faucet and any engineer looking at it could see it was doomed to failure. Its Made in China and has SLDRO on the red handle. Not all Made In China stuff is junk, but this part confirms the stereotype. Luckily I made it easier to replace when I replaced it this spring so it should just be a matter of unscrewing it and putting the new one on. I'll be more discriminating when I pick out the new one..... Ben..... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 18:39:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979592584470 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4172580963 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gb8so7513297lab.16 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HNeaDdvVx1cTGID7A9l30jY8II5s+7SjBsJAzX/lptw=; b=mK0qut3GL7UfKD1ZyuvGOb8tu9e4EtL5U5p5cTwK5+yNmhv71gyQmf4MdQtH1C7lZs upO3geRQ7Ozq4iP0Wg/B39rLULjeeS2xsASJyNyxwEMahyK4GObILNO6Oy5ks3KNOpQr 80338YkBD/1S6osx1jdzBY9JaaGFBNYmh/GfcgNa6II/iaDvGzc9du/lLG7aGcI5y3ls tonZPcubBMbI9HsZKSEqbQsJuEtEjJ66UCmwRaOY1+2GgMY49byvm5vcVCgyqlwZxzES bhAIzrAHhrXaky5Af69URw3aI8ItJqtoRvp0vLNMTG1lUgotS4yJGXHwYTc18uqFdwjm D9tQ== ir3mr5968139lac.82.1411951199330; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.234.71 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:39:59 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever tried one of these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I was wondering about a couple of (garage-related) gadgets I have seen recently: 1: Has anyone ever used a Uview "Airlift" to change a car's coolant? This is a gadget that you connect to a compressed air source, that generates a vacuum to suck all the air out of your car's (drained) cooling system, and lets fresh coolant get sucked in. I was thinking of getting one for my Prius (which has TWO cooling systems). 2: I have seen these portable jump-starters that use a lithium instead of a lead-acid battery, They are very small, only about 1x3x6 inches, and will keep their charge for a long time while sitting in your trunk. I am amazed that such a small device can out put enough current to actually start a car. Are they for real? Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 19:24:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC52E2584530 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S26.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s26.hotmail.com [65.55.111.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1C625809FA for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP84 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S26.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:26:00 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: "'Shop-Talk'" References: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:25:30 -0700 Thread-index: Ac/bfjw83/0y7jz/R9+GhP0Boi4KvAABFkbw FILETIME=[525FCD90:01CFDB84] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever tried one of these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug, I suspect the lipo starter is for real. Lipos are powerful, but with incredible power comes incredible responsibility. They hold a lot of energy and if mistreated they can cause nasty fires. I have used a lead acid tractor battery for the starter on my RC engines for years. I recently converted it to a lipo. Instead of that mid sized lead acid battery, I use an oversize 1x1.5x5 inch 4-cell lipo I assembled from old beater battery cells, the ones that didn't get wimpy when the lipo finally started to lose it's capacity. The lipo cranks the starter faster (16v vs. 12v) but it lasts all day, no problem. If it didn't, I could recharge it a lot faster than the lead acid battery. As long as you don't exceed the rated discharge rate or let a cell drop below 3+ volts, lipos are exceptional. The minimum voltage you should let them go to is subject to discussion. Technically, I think the spec is 3v/cell, but they seem to last longer if you don't beat on them with heavy and deep discharges. I tend to try to use 3.3/cell as a minimum. Jack p.s. for those in the know, yes, I installed a balance plug on the home made lipo pack. We balance every lipo pack every time we use them. -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Braun Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:40 PM To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever tried one of these? Hello, I was wondering about a couple of (garage-related) gadgets I have seen recently: 1: Has anyone ever used a Uview "Airlift" to change a car's coolant? This is a gadget that you connect to a compressed air source, that generates a vacuum to suck all the air out of your car's (drained) cooling system, and lets fresh coolant get sucked in. I was thinking of getting one for my Prius (which has TWO cooling systems). 2: I have seen these portable jump-starters that use a lithium instead of a lead-acid battery, They are very small, only about 1x3x6 inches, and will keep their charge for a long time while sitting in your trunk. I am amazed that such a small device can out put enough current to actually start a car. Are they for real? Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 19:27:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1892025809FA for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D42025809FA for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.44] (67-5-214-114.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.214.114]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCN008FZ2TUAQ90@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:29:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Darrell Walker Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:29:49 -0700 References: To: Doug Braun engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-28_03:2014-09-26,2014-09-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409290016 Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone ever tried one of these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > 1: Has anyone ever used a Uview "Airlift" to change a car's coolant? This > is a gadget that you connect to a compressed air source, that generates a > vacuum to suck all the air out of your car's (drained) cooling system, and > lets fresh coolant get sucked in. I was thinking of getting one for my > Prius (which has TWO cooling systems). Hi Doug, I used one of those on my Wedge, to see if it would help to get trapped air out. I dont know if it helped in that respect, but it did a fine job of filling the system. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive